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July 4, 2014 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT: KERRY LIVE ON FADE TO BLACK WITH JIMMY CHURCH
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You couldn't hear Carrie Cassidy tonight.
Think about that for a second.
Alright, yeah, that's right.
She's live in the studio.
Brought a camera crew.
We've got a catering truck outside.
She doesn't play around.
Today, singer Chris Isaac is 58 years old.
Can you believe it?
Good looking guy, too.
Still in Look 58.
And a friend of mine, actor Jason Schwartzman, 34 years old.
And I've known Jason for a long, long time.
He used to be the drummer in a band called Phantom Planet while he was doing all of his acting and everything.
But he had a really good band here in L.A. called Phantom Planet.
And I worked with those guys for years.
And Jason, great drummer.
34 years old.
You know him from the movie Rushmore.
He made his acting debut in that movie when he was like 17 years old.
A Wes Anderson film.
Killer cult film.
But he's been in all of the other Anderson films.
Fantastic Mr.
Fox and I Heart Huckabees.
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It's funny.
She sets up tonight and she comes in with her crew.
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And she goes, you know, I can leave.
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Contact in the desert.
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That Friday, August 8th, we will be broadcasting live from Contact in the Desert, Joshua Tree.
Everybody's going to be there, even that other broadcaster that's on that other show.
He's going to be there too.
Sukalos just got off the phone with Richard Dolan right before the show tonight.
And I'll let the cat out of the bag.
He was going to come on for a few minutes and say hello to everybody, but he got stuck at the airport up in San Francisco, and he was waiting for his ride.
That was late.
But anyway, Dolan will be there, Contact in the Desert, Eric Von Daniken, David Wilcock, Jason Martell, everybody.
Anybody that is anybody is going to be there.
It's going to be a great thing.
Carrie, you going?
No.
Oh, your microphone's off.
Okay, you can just go this way.
Okay, yeah.
I'll bring you on live here in a second.
Do you want to talk now?
Sure, yeah, yeah.
No, I have an issue.
Okay, what's the issue?
No, it's just that, hi.
No, I just want to say I'm glad to be on Jimmy's show.
And, you know, I'm a huge fan of Jimmy and Art Bell.
And I just want to say that, no, they didn't have the good taste to invite me to speak at contact.
Hey, hey.
Hey.
No, no, no.
Look, I had to invite myself.
Yeah.
So there you go.
All right.
So it's all fair.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not like they called me.
Yeah.
All right.
Alright.
And she did that without...
You know, I have a whole nice, beautiful introduction here from Carrie.
She's just got to jump in.
Okay.
So we'll announce the winners tomorrow night.
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We would like to see everybody out there.
Anybody who wins the first round of five from last week...
They will all be coming on the air with us that night and join the guests that we have.
So tonight, as you know, Carrie Cassidy will be with us for the duration of the evening here in sunny, roasting hot Burbank, California.
We're going to be discussing mainstream media disinformation, all the fun subjects with her whistleblowers.
We're going to talk about the Malibu base.
She actually just came from Malibu today to go out there on location.
So we'll be discussing that.
And everything that's been going on between Point Doom and Magoo for the last 40 years.
Okay, and that's about it.
Oh, let me get to a quick email before we get to our first break.
This came in from Frank, and it says this.
When the first nuclear submarine Nautilus traveled to the North Pole on its first voyage after going to the North Pole, it had orders to travel back down to the West Coast somewhere off We're good to go.
600 miles.
I was told by two ex-Navy personnel.
I was, at the time, worked for General Dynamics, an electric boat where they made the USS Nautilus.
I was a pipe fitter at the time.
I was only 20 years old.
I am now 61.
So if this helps you, you're welcome.
I've never forgotten this story.
This story, now this is an email that came in, but this story, this rumor, This urban legend has been going on in ufology for about 40 years.
That the Nautilus entered somewhere off of this coast.
it's just funny to get this email with a confirmation from from some people that work there but this is a story that has been ongoing forever and that's one of the reasons why we have carrie in here tonight and also with carrie i'm very grateful because she's here shooting video which means we're guaranteed at least a million views on youtube you You know how Carrie does it.
So I thank her for that.
I am drinking out of my Lynn Lewis Elvis coffee mug.
I've got to say that.
Thank you, Lynn.
Keep the guest requests coming.
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Carrie Cassidy conducts interviews documenting the testimony of whistleblowers with above-top secret clearances as well as researchers and experiencers covering all aspects of reality both on and off-planet.
Carrie speaks at conferences around the world on the subjects of ETs, the Illuminati, the Illuminati agenda, mind control, prophecies.
Carrie is an intuitive and spent years researching the occult and studying Eastern philosophy Keri has a B.A. in English with graduate work in sociology, an MBA certificate from UCLA, Anderson Graduate School of Management, and, you know, just a damn fine person.
I would like to welcome to the program right now Keri Cassidy.
Hey Keri, how you doing?
Hi Jimmy, how you doing?
No, no, not me.
How are you doing?
No, I'm doing really well.
How are you doing?
You know, I love having people here in the studio.
I really do.
It's great.
Normally, I'm here with the producers and I'm by myself and it's just not the same vibe.
And thank you and Neil.
Neil's mic is off.
He doesn't want to come on the show.
I told Neil, I said, you know, that's the last thing you want to do because I'll turn that mic on.
I'll do that in a second.
No, he's my wingman.
He's the cameraman.
So, okay, so much is going on right now.
We're not going to have enough time tonight to get into everything.
And you and I, when we, one of the things that I do enjoy is talking with you on the phone.
Because I intend a five minute, ten minute conversation and we do 90 minutes.
And we hang up in the middle of something and we both know that we can keep going.
And that's one of the cool things.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's awesome.
So, with that, let's get some basic stuff out of the way.
You just got back from Europe.
You were over in Malta.
So, what were you doing over there?
Well, I was shooting a small documentary in preparation for my October trip to Malta, where I'm taking a whole group.
We're actually editing it right now, and it should be out maybe in the next four or five days, so people can look forward to that.
We interviewed people, experts on Atlantis, and we also went and saw all of the Incredible ancient stone structures as well as the Hybogeum.
It was fun.
It was 10 days.
I basically did not have the money to do it.
I couldn't raise the money to do it, so I put it all on my credit cards.
Hello everyone.
I like living dangerously on the edge or I wouldn't be Camelot, right?
Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, yeah.
So, but what happens is we have, you know, Brian Forrester, you know who he is, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we actually tried to get into the backside of a museum to see the long skulls because they have found long heads in Malta, in these ancient sites, which means Anunnaki.
And so I've been on the trail of the Anunnaki for a really long time.
And we're also interested in the unbelievable energetics going on in Malta.
And you know that the Vatican and the Knights of Malta have heavy influence over Malta.
They kind of lock down the islands, which is really Gozo, Malta, and Camino.
And Camino is basically caldera.
So it's an amazing place.
The energetics are really amazing.
I think you have some abilities in this area, right?
You're a bit psychic.
You have some of this kind of, you know, like a sensei.
Don't tell my wife that.
Okay.
All right.
But I get a feeling about that, so I can tell that you've got some of that energetics, and you would know what I'm talking about if you went to these sites.
It's like going into an interdimensional portal when you walk in some of the temples there.
I was feeling my third eye was just going crazy.
At one point, I really felt like I could just walk through a door and disappear.
I was in Egypt in 2012.
I took a group there.
It was very successful.
It was an amazing, life-changing experience.
That's not just my words.
That's the words of the people that came.
I got a download saying, you need to go to Malta next.
I couldn't raise the money or even the people in April.
And the information I got was you have to go by yourself.
You need to just go.
So I have some good people, a good team on Malta.
They made it all possible.
You know, my wingman, cameraman came with me, Neil.
And so we had an amazing time and we're going to put that film online quite shortly.
We had a James Swagger on last night.
And he just got back from Malta too.
And what's weird is I've got a couple of other friends that are over there now and some that are going in a couple of weeks.
Right now it seems like Malta is the place to be.
And one of the things I want to ask you, because we were talking about this last night, Malta is like you trip over old stuff everywhere you go there.
Is that the feeling that you got?
Yeah, you know, I actually tapped into the fact that I think it was a sanctuary.
I think that it was an outpost of Atlantis.
They say Atlantis had many islands, had many extensions around the globe at the time when it was sort of in its heyday.
And Malta is one of those places where they actually went to meditate.
The whole island is basically honeycombed with underground stuff, you know, tunnels and all kinds of stuff.
And the weird thing about Malta is that there's so much stuff there, even undiscovered stuff.
And everywhere you go, the energetics shifts and changes.
So you've got different frequencies, I guess you would say, depending on where you go.
And it's going to affect your DNA. It's going to affect your ability to meditate.
It's going to affect just the way you feel.
The people there feel that it is a center for the Earth.
It is a powerhouse.
In other words, the energy comes in directly from, you know, I don't know where, maybe the cosmos, you know, somewhere in the galactic center, whatever, right into Malta.
And see, the thing is that people have to understand is that the Vatican and the Knights of Malta, they know the secrets.
They do.
We don't know the secrets, you see.
No, no, no.
I'm trying to find out what they know.
And so that's what I'm doing.
I'm taking a group of investigators.
I'm taking some great people that have a background who've written books about Atlantis and this sort of thing, as well as the investigators.
I've got an Italian investigator into the Longheads, as well as Brian Forrester.
So we've got two Longhead investigators.
And the thing is that you cannot figure out who built which temples because they don't have enough information.
And there were places where people hid out during the flood, the Great Flood, as people will know it.
And they only allow you down into the Hypogeum to a certain level.
You don't get to really see the place.
You know, you don't go very far.
They really limit it.
When you first went in the HypoGM, was there a vibe?
I mean, were you vibed out immediately?
Yeah, but let me say that you have to go down the folds of history.
So what you're dealing with is there was a massacre, and it used to be filled with heads, which they don't let you see.
They have photographs of them.
I think they cleaned them out.
But it's dark, right?
It's dark.
Yes, it's dark.
But the energetics, like you say, are bizarre.
You kind of feel like the floor is shifting under your feet.
That kind of energetics.
Right, right, right.
It's weird.
It's kind of depressing.
Some people break into tears and things.
But they're not necessarily tapping into the Atlantean times.
They're tapping into more recent.
Like during the Nazi age or whatever.
You had mentioned something earlier.
I don't want this to get away from us.
When you're talking about Energy is coming in from all directions.
Malta, and I think everybody is starting to understand this now about Malta, but what's important about Malta is it's in the center of everything.
It doesn't matter.
All of the cities around the Mediterranean, also Great Britain and the UK and Europe, everything is traveling from the north to the south to the east to the west, and went through Malta.
Somebody built something in Malta there.
There's established civilizations that have gone through there for millennia.
And that's what's important.
So when you're talking about it, absolutely.
There was energies that were coming in from all directions.
And those people established themselves, buried themselves, had religious ceremony there, were watching the stars from there, built temples for all of that.
There's so many different civilizations and there is a strong vibe there.
I honestly think Malta is going to be one of the next big subjects that we talk about.
You have to go back to Litape.
We've certainly run Giza into the ground.
Puma Punku and Machu Picchu.
These are all Tiumenaku.
But Malta is like this undiscovered gem.
Also kept a little Yes, it does.
Yes.
And that movie is full of Illuminati symbolism.
There's a couple women that are the main stars in it, and I have to say one of the women is super diabolical.
I have to just give her kudos because she did an amazing job.
The weird thing is that when we first went to Malta, We stayed in this very nice hotel, this gorgeous hotel, which they had a deal going because it was off-season, and so they were letting the rooms out, you know, for less money.
So we snuck in there, and what happened, we walked into the bay.
That was the first time we came to the water, and I actually saw, I don't know why, this is weird, and I didn't even know, I didn't have it in my mind.
I saw Poseidon's head coming out of the sea.
It was just an image that came into my mind.
And then I found out later, like Poseidon-ness, that Malta's all about Poseidon.
Yes.
It's weird.
Yes.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't like referencing movies like this, but when I saw Clash of the Titans, which I thought was a really cool, really cool flick, I'm like, where did they shoot this?
And in the end I see, Malta, are you kidding me?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So, what were you doing in England?
Um...
Do I have to say?
No, I'm just kidding.
Well, I mean, you know, I'm speaking.
I'm doing speaking engagements.
My current boyfriend, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this over the air, but you know what the hell.
You know, my current boyfriend, like, I'm sure he loves that I say current.
Anyway, what can I do?
Anyway, he lives in the UK, so what can I say?
But, you know, I... I do speaking engagements when I go to Europe and England, and I'm sort of fascinated by the stone structures in England as well.
I'm actually going back there in end of July, August, and I'm going to be speaking at the Bases Conference.
Miles Johnston.
I think it's, let's see, August 8th, 9th, and 10th.
It's a weekend, and so anyone in England who's listening should come on out.
See, you couldn't have done Contact in the Desert then, see?
That's right.
Yeah.
You were booked.
You were already booked.
I like to say already.
Yeah, no, it came post, but whatever.
We're all good.
But I am, this weekend, in theory, going to be at the Secret Space Program Conference as well, where Rich Dolan is also.
Yes, this weekend, up in San Mateo.
That's right.
So, I'm going to try to do some interviews there.
They also didn't have the good taste to have me speak, but nonetheless, I'm going to be the roving reporter, sort of crashing the party.
Right.
Well, you know, it's the same thing with me.
You know, I have a couple of friends here in town that think of me often when it comes to conferences, but all the other stuff, it's so, oh yeah, oh we should, well you know what, it's alright, you know, so it's not that big of a deal.
No, but I want to talk about your thing.
Well, let's change gears.
Let's do that.
What did you...
When you first saw, let's just go back, because I ask everybody the same question to start off.
The very first time you saw the picture, the very first time, what went through your mind at that very moment?
I was like, hell yes.
That's what I was like.
Wow.
I mean, because I know Point Doom, and I've been going to that beach ever since I've been in LA, and it's one of my favorite places.
And I can say that, you know, it makes perfect sense.
And we have been looking out on these cliffs, which is in the Malibu area, overlooking, looking in the direction of Point Dune and seeing these anomalous structures that we can talk more about later, and arising out of the sea, making no sense whatsoever.
And we tried to photograph it.
We didn't have a good enough camera to really get a great picture or I'd give them to you today.
We went back yesterday and we spent a couple hours there, but it was too fogged in.
But we did see some other anomalous things.
But see, I also have a sighting from a long time ago on a beach in Malibu.
Tell me about it.
Right now?
Yeah.
Okay, well...
What part of Malibu first?
Well, okay, do you know where the fish place is on Malibu?
Gladstones?
Not Gladstones.
No, you know that fish place.
The blue one that is east of PCH? Okay.
And from that beach you can see Point Dune.
It's called the Malibu Fish Market.
Yeah, it's blue and white.
It's a cool place.
It's excellent.
It's a dive, but it's cool.
No, it's fun.
It has a picnic table.
It's packed.
You stand in line.
It's not posh.
No.
It's not posh.
That's what I'm trying to say.
But it's fun.
It's an awesome place and good drinks.
It's great.
It's just great.
Anyway, right across the street is a narrow beach.
And I was there at night with my dog.
And I don't know, I looked up at the sky and I saw something that looked kind of weird.
I had a little camera with me back then and I just thought, what the hell, I'll shoot this.
And I started shooting the sky and there kept being different lights and things and I thought, hell, I don't know what I'm shooting but I'll just shoot.
And then I got this weird, eerie kind of feeling, say, turn around, look behind you.
So that's what I did.
And I started shooting behind me and all of those shots were put onto my Have You Seen a UFO documentary that I made before Camelot that is now on Camelot.
It's like a short documentary short.
And actually I interviewed, back in those days, I had Jim Mars, I had Rich Dolan, I had a bunch of people where I walked up with, that was the first days of Camelot, and I walked up to them at conferences and I basically put the camera in their face and said, have you seen a UFO? Because they were the speakers on the, you know, that, so you always wonder, like a speaker, do they see actually the real thing?
Yeah.
You know, are they really abducted?
Do they really have contact or are they just talking about it?
Well, that's always the question, isn't it?
And hitting somebody like that, like you were saying, guerrilla style, you're going to get an honest answer, too.
Yeah, and I got amazing.
I mean, you can see it's right there on the film.
I didn't have to edit much at all, so it was just there.
Let's get back to the sighting.
So you were saying, okay, so you had pictures from one direction, then pictures from the other.
When you were told to turn around and you took those pictures, what direction were you facing?
Vandenberg.
You're facing north.
Northeast.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay, that's kooky.
Yeah, it is.
Okay.
So this has a history.
What you found, you know, I've been looking out there.
I mean, people that go to Malibu know Malibu.
That area, you know, there's sort of that canyon area and going out to sea.
That whole area is considered what you call a hot spot.
And there's that UFO researcher, forget his name, who wrote a whole book about it.
Preston Dennett.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And I've met him, you know, great guy, and he's very serious, right?
Yeah, very serious.
And so, I need to know how this happened, because you didn't say that in the article.
I don't know if you said it on radio shows, because see...
Oh, we have talked about this every day.
I know, but still, see, I was in England when you had this thing happen.
Right.
And I stumbled on that, and what's the weird thing about it is...
I saw this, and we had this whole discussion about how I was going to bring you on my show, and then what happened is it totally went out of my mind.
Well, you were in Malta.
What did you expect?
Well, I mean, yeah.
My life is too busy.
It's too crazy.
But then when you called me, it was like, oh my God, I can't believe I haven't had you on my show and done this whole thing with you.
Well, you're back, and we'll take care of it.
Well, this is what happened, and I don't mind telling this story.
most of the cast of characters are here with us now.
They're live, and they're now posting as we speak to another writer.
I'm watching these tweets go through, correcting his article.
By the way, Gordon, I'm reading everything that you're doing now.
But anyway, and no, Dark Matter Radio is not affiliated with Premier Radio.
Those are two different networks.
Yeah, that is two opposite sides of the fence, Gordon.
Anyway, that doesn't mean that we don't like Clyde Lewis.
Clyde is fine.
Okay, so...
Oh, it's hot in here, isn't it?
Just hot, hot.
Okay, so this is what happened on May 11th.
I'm going to tell you the abridged version of it, but this is how it happened.
May 11th, I get here at the studio, I get about 50, 100 emails a day.
Not that big of a deal, but it's a lot, and I try to, the producers read through it, forward the ones to me And so when it gets to me, I try to reply to them and take the time to do that.
So that's what I'm doing.
But sometimes, I skip over email.
Okay?
I do.
I've got a lot to get done.
And this email popped up in front of me, and it said, they have an image, the headline on it, the subject was, strange structure off the coast of Malibu or something.
I thought, wow, that's kind of weird.
And as I clicked on it and opened up the image, I swear, I'm not making this up, and I've said this to a couple of people, I had like a deja vu moment.
I did.
It was in slow motion, and I clicked it, and I opened it, and I felt like I had been through this whole scene.
Wow.
That's the truth.
That's cool.
So that's when I took notice of it.
And I looked at the image, and I thought, wow, that's kind of kooky.
So I immediately jumped on Google Earth.
And there it was.
It was there.
And I contacted Dale Romero that works with us here.
He does a lot of web stuff for us and graphics and things for the show.
Billboards, things like that.
So, I sent him the image.
And I think what was also weird, I think I might have even been on the phone with Dale.
Or maybe I called him after I sent him the image.
But we were certainly on the phone at this point.
And I said, you know, And him and his son, his son's also a graphic designer, we're going to start looking at these images.
I said, alright.
I'm prepping, I'm doing my stuff, I'm researching phone calls, whatever.
He calls me an hour later, check your email.
And I opened it up, and I did the same thing.
I was like, holy crap.
This is something.
But this is the ironic thing.
I said this the other night on Clyde's show.
Irony is a weird definition, but this was irony at its finest.
I had just had Bill Burns on the show talking about his documentaries shooting out for USOs in the underground undersea base off of Catalina that he had done with Preston Dennett.
In fact, he did too.
And I just had Preston on the show A month before?
This is both of his books right over there, right?
And talking about this, I had Ann Druffalon talking about this.
And suddenly this happened.
I immediately did jump to USO-UFO-based connection because of the proximity of where it was with the subjects that I've been talking about on the show with very prominent researchers.
It's on the front part of my brain.
And so it was easy to make those connections.
And everybody that has come at me asking that, why would you go USO, UFO immediately?
I'm like, that's what everybody talks about!
It's what goes on in Malibu!
This isn't me discovering something.
I haven't planted a flag on UFO activity and discovered that in Malibu.
It's been going on there for decades.
and ask anybody that that has lived there and and and been up and down the coast and ask them if they've seen it's what they do you know it's this isn't nothing new to them this is only new to the rest of the country this is new to you but it's not new to us and and that's and that's how it happened so then on wednesday that's the end of the story basically wednesday i announced it on Monday, we did the discovery.
Tuesday, it was on the web.
You know, Facebook, Twitter, our website, and kind of sent it out there.
Wednesday night, we talked about it on the show.
And then the following Tuesday, I did a UFO conference here in the Valley, and I introduced Daryl Sims.
Did a video presentation there at the conference.
And I told everybody at the conference, I think I said this to you, told everybody there, remember this day.
This is something significant.
And then from there, it just hit the ground running and took on a life of its own.
But the guy who sent it to you originally, where is he?
What's his story?
Well, right now, his name is Maxwell.
And until...
He's made a couple of announcements on his own with different postings and things, which he is entitled to do.
But he's working out some other stuff, and he's going to hit us with that.
He's given us some other places to go and look at.
But what I want to know is, like, he sent you sort of the hint of something, and then you kind of...
Explored it, and your designer, or I'm not sure what you call him, he went in and actually did the sort of heavy lifting in terms of literally finding this amazing structure.
Is that right?
Well, yes, except, yes, except this is the thing, and I need to make this painfully clear to everybody.
The Google Earth program is used by billions of people.
Think about that for a second.
How many people are right now on Google Earth, not looking for UFO bases, but are on Google Satellite Earth looking at the California coast or Los Angeles right now as we speak?
Hundreds of thousands?
Yes?
I guess.
Well, yeah.
Okay?
So how many people in the last...
Google Earth came out in 2006.
How many people do you think went up and down that coast and saw that image?
Millions.
So did we, did Maxwell, did anybody discover anything?
No.
Everybody's discovered it and looked at it.
We are just the people that reported it.
There have been guys like Preston Dennett that has been researching this for years and it was right underneath his nose.
It was right underneath ours and yours.
You live out there.
And Google Earth is there for why it slipped through the fingers of everybody.
It doesn't matter.
I don't want to have a cavalier attitude where I go, you know what, I don't care about that.
What I care about is getting it out now.
And the fact that we have a vehicle like this radio show that is able to take it public.
If it would have been somebody else screaming about this, it would have gone nowhere.
And we need to talk about that.
When you call me on the phone, it's great radio.
We've talked about this before, right?
It's almost like we should have our phone...
Because we go from one thing to another to another.
And basically, you know, it's fun to talk to somebody else who's up to speed on stuff, for me.
You know, because it's just, it's fun.
So, the thing is that...
There has been, I don't know, some weird media stuff going on around this, right?
It's gone mainstream, and I have another friend I was talking to about this, and they were like, I don't get this.
Everything else in the UFO world never hits the mainstream.
This went mainstream.
Can you make sense of this?
And I'm going to ask you the same question, because I don't get it.
You know, what is your connection to mainstream?
You know, is it because you, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think you were like a sportscaster.
Yeah, yeah.
Is it, is that why?
Is it because of the art bell behind you that you, you know, people are making more notice?
What is it?
No, no, I wouldn't say it's any of that.
What I, what I think?
Yeah.
Um, and I had, I had mentioned For some reason, that part of the story never got attention.
But this is what I think.
We have three, four, five seminal events in the ufology.
The big ones that have hit mainstream.
You have Roswell, of course.
You have Betty and Barney Hill.
You have Travis Walton.
You have Rendlesham.
You have Area 51.
Nothing has happened since Area 51.
Now, we're going to talk about Gary McKinnon here in a few minutes.
You know, there are plenty of people out there in our circle that we know and we study and research.
But nobody in Wichita shopping at a 7-Eleven can you walk up to and ask them if they know who Gary McKinnon is.
Or John Mack.
You know, or just whatever, but Hopkins.
You know, you might be able to find somebody that knows Travis Walton.
Because of fire in the sky.
Am I right?
Yes.
Okay, so these seminal events are rare.
And the last time that anything really happened that got on the map was Area 51.
So this thing, this ufology thing Hasn't had anything to raise eyebrows.
And this is the first thing.
This is not photographs on Mars.
This isn't a mothership that is orbiting Jupiter.
This is not any of that kind of talk.
This is something that is off of the frigging coast of Malibu that is photographed by the largest website in It's now documented.
Now, what it is, what it is, we don't know.
We're going to go out there and find out in a couple of weeks, and we've got an expedition plan, and we're going to go do that.
Oh, absolutely.
Divers?
No, we're going to use ROV. It's too deep.
You can't use divers.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, it's 1,500 feet to the top of...
Yes, it's 1,500 feet, Gordon.
Quote me, 1,400.
I don't know, close enough.
Ask Dale.
He's got all the specs.
The interaction here is real time.
It's crazy.
It's really fun.
So, but yeah, diving, deep sea, I mean, a normal diver that is certified to go to extreme depths is 150 feet.
200 feet, you know, that's a brush with death.
Okay, but how far is it off the coast exactly?
Six and a half miles.
Six and a half miles?
Mm-hmm.
Six and a half miles off of the coast.
It's right smack dab in the middle of, pretty close, in between Magoo and Doom.
So, that's basically where it's at.
Six and a half miles out.
It's actually 6.66 miles to the center of it.
No.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
And that's Google Earth's own printout.
When you point to the anomaly, 6.66 miles away.
I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
I won't even tell, when somebody asks me where it is, I just say 6 miles.
I'm not going there, you know.
But yeah, it is 6.66 miles to the center of it.
That's sick.
Yeah, yeah, that's nuts.
And so, but where it is, so you can look off, Wainimi is right there, Magoo is right there.
What about those islands that come off out?
The Channel Islands?
Yeah, is that what that is?
I'm not sure.
The Channel Islands are north.
Okay.
That's more Santa Barbara-ish.
That's too far north.
I thought there was a couple islands.
Well, there's a couple of small things there.
I don't know if they're named.
No, I'm sorry, but I have a whistleblower testimony about those islands.
Yeah, okay.
What do you got?
What do you got?
Well, I'm not going to say who it was, but I can tell you that I was recently told that they actually used to land on those and that they were dealing with some...
You know, off-worlders there.
I'm reading now.
The Navy has done pressure diving past 1,000 feet.
That's the limit as far as they go.
That's exactly right.
And that guy, there's one that has ever gone that deep.
That's a world record.
Somebody sent me some email today with a bunch of specs on names of the guys that have broke the records.
And 1,000 feet One guy got a little past 1,060, but that's the world record.
It's 1,400 feet just to the top of this.
Remember, the roof is 500 feet thick.
The pillars are 600 feet tall.
It's 2,000 feet, over 2,000 feet to the bottom of the ocean right there.
When people go, why aren't you diving?
Why aren't you diving?
Go down there with a video camera.
It's pitch black.
It's beyond light.
Yeah, it's beyond light.
It's beyond all of that.
So what we're going to do, and I want to get back to your whistleblower.
What we're going to do is we're going to take an ROV out there, a remote-controlled vehicle, a remote-operated vehicle, on a tether with video, and that's what's going to drop down there so we can poke around and do our own video stuff.
So you're going to be in there.
No, no, no, no, no.
My name is Jimmy Church, not James Cameron.
Yeah, no, really?
That's exactly what I was going to say.
That's James Cameron.
That's what he did.
Well, his submersible is Mothball.
They raped it for parts.
And we were told that it will never run again.
It is parked.
So, yeah, we've reached out to him.
That was the first thing.
You did?
Yeah, well, everybody that I've talked to, including the producer, the director that has put...
Together, this expedition that we're getting ready.
We're going to announce it here in about a week, but as soon as we get things finalized, it's not good to jinx things.
But it was the first thing out of his mouth or anybody else.
It was always, James Cameron, James Cameron, James Cameron.
And we get that, so of course we contacted him first.
Right.
Yeah, his submersible is mothball.
When Bill Burns did his documentary, Off of the Coast, He worked with another company that we're in contact with that is set up, ready to go.
They've got all the tethers and all the ROVs and the boat, and we're ready.
I'm sorry, I'm Camelot, so I apologize for what I'm going to say.
Do you want to come out on video?
No, I just want to say that you have to be careful who you're going to go into this boat and who's going to be your divers and all this kind of thing.
No, I'm sorry to say that they could just...
You know, accidentally not find exactly what you're looking for.
Totally.
Totally.
You understand that?
Yeah, well, there's also the other aspect...
I mean, some people work for some people, and I'm not saying any names.
You can't trust anybody.
Well, hey, I'm kidding what, you know?
Well, now, check this out.
So we get, what if...
Everything that's out there, Vandenberg with their missile test, Wyname, you've got the Marines, you've got the Navy, you've got everybody sitting right there, right?
And the shore, at that point of the beach, there's no swimming, no diving, no surfing, right?
That's all protected.
And so we're going to, hopefully, the six and a half miles out, Bill Burns seems to think they're not going to let us do it.
They're going to use the excuses of, this is a military installation and this is protected water.
So, we don't have a choice.
We've got to go out there and get the stuff in the water and start filming and wait for them to come out and chase us away.
That's the first thing.
The second is, let's get arrested.
You know, I'm cool with that.
Absolutely!
I'll do that.
Wait, wait.
Refresh my memory.
Do you have a background in the military?
The Army band.
Yeah, it was hardcore.
Hardcore into it.
All right.
I don't know.
But come on.
I just have to say that this is cool, but...
Did you ever think that maybe you should have already gone out there?
Did you ever think maybe you shouldn't have announced it?
No, the opposite.
Because you want to be protected?
Yeah, the opposite.
I've said this to everybody, and I've repeated it.
The only protection that we have to make sure that Google doesn't go and alter those images, to make sure that somebody doesn't step in, to make sure that anything isn't changed, make sure that anything isn't denied, that it's not there, is go public.
Time, date, stamp, every image, we went underneath, we have got images we haven't released yet, and we grabbed everything from every angle, north, south, east, west, depth, up, above, down, below, published, stamped, location, everything, coordinates, everything is there, time of day, and went public with it.
Why?
Because then, if anything changes, any little thing changes, That somebody's hiding something.
Well, okay, let me ask you this, because, you know, I did used to live right on the beach, right at the border of Ventura County, right there.
So I don't know if I was just living right off the area that you're talking about, because I don't know exactly, you know, if you go straight out, where that is.
But I'm just wondering is, you know, because...
They could be very busy there right now covering it up.
You know, see, this, you know, I mean, this makes me crazy, but I have to, you know, you have to throw it out there.
I mean, the bottom line is, one, if they're going to let you.
Now, I have to tell you, if you tell me where this is, I can tell you that I just talked to a witness just the day ago.
They told me this Sunday, and your stuff has been out there, right?
You've just had some more sort of broadcasts going on about it.
But actually, they said...
Traffic was stopped on the road coming between Santa Barbara and LA, and there was a huge line of tanks, of military vehicles and tanks.
People were very annoyed.
It was this last Sunday.
Huh.
Now, what are they doing?
Huh.
Not only that, but when I met with this witness, we had a military helicopter fly over us.
It wasn't even your normal military helicopter.
I mean, this was, I don't know, my friend even said, wow, is that Soviet?
I mean, what the hell?
It just didn't, I mean, it was so, and it was flying very low over the restaurant where we were, and this was in Calabasas.
I don't know what it was doing there.
I mean, there's lots of activity all the time.
I have a friend who lives on the coast.
She sees constant activity back and forth.
I did when I was on the coast.
There's a military sort of shipping lane out there.
So they're very busy in that area.
But, you know, you need someone out there.
I don't know where it is, but you need somebody to be looking out there and filming out there and see if suddenly you have a bunch of so-called fishing boats that are, like, kind of busy in that area.
Yep, yep, yep.
I mean, you know.
Yep.
Yep, and one of the things that is kind of protecting us in the meantime is its extreme location.
Remember, it's six and a half miles out of the sea.
It's not a quarter of a mile out.
It's six and a half miles out.
Can you see, I don't know this, just tell me, can you see out that far?
It's 12 miles to the horizon.
So when you are looking, when you are standing at sea level at the beach, and you look out and you see the line of the ocean, that's 12 miles, 12 and a half miles.
Okay?
So think about that for a second.
It sounds a lot like the thing we've been looking at.
Yeah, well, this is something that, you know, and I've got the picture right here in front of me of it.
Now, so that's 12 and a half miles to the horizon.
So, Six and a half miles.
It's a long way.
Six and a half miles when you are out that far.
Now it doesn't sound like much.
Six and a half miles doesn't sound like much.
But now you're out in the open ocean.
So you are You're not going to go out and do a drive-by because you're interested in checking things out because you saw this on the net.
You're not going to jump in your 15-foot ski boat that you take out to Castaic Lake and water ski with.
You're not going to go out and pull that off of the trailer and head six and a half miles out into the open ocean.
You're not going to do that.
Anyway, so if there is a boat out there that's six and a half miles out, it's there for a reason.
It's there on purpose.
Yes.
As opposed to, if you live on a cul-de-sac in Hidden Hills, you don't have people just driving by your house.
You understand what I'm saying?
So it's the same thing out there.
It's six and a half miles.
Do you know where it is in position to what's called the shipping lane?
There is a shipping lane.
Yes.
I've watched the ships go by.
Mm-hmm.
Is it before you get to the shipping lane?
No, it's outside of the shipping lane.
You think so?
Yes.
But it's beyond it?
No, it's inside of the shipping lane.
Inside, that's my question.
Yes.
So you can see it, because you can see clearly those freighters going by in the shipping lane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm saying that something on the water is visible from the land.
Of this?
If there was a boat on top of...
Oh, if the boat was out there dropping stuff in and trying to look at this, would we see them?
You would see them.
Yes.
Yes, you would.
Okay, what about those gliders?
Those guys that fly on those?
Could a person go over that area?
Yeah, but again, you remember, it's in the darkness.
It's almost a half mile deep.
So, but they would, could they, I mean, I don't know that much about people that go on those gliders, but I do see them out there over the ocean, and I don't know how far out there.
Oh, would they, you know, you've got to remember, that's six and a half miles out.
Yeah, that's too far?
Yeah, I would think so.
You know, who would know?
Steve Marilla.
He's a hang glider guy.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that's all he does.
Oh, you didn't know that?
No.
That dude is out of his mind.
No, yeah.
You know, he was a Marine fighter pilot.
That was the thing, you know.
That's his thing.
He went to the Naval Academy.
Right.
And now he's heading up U-Pars.
Yeah.
I love that shit.
I have to say, you know.
Excuse me.
Boop!
Boop!
No, I have to say, you know, because I just spoke at Mufon, Orange County.
Uh-huh.
Right.
And how'd that go for you?
It went very well.
I had a packed house.
I have to say they're messing with a lot of people and move on in Orange County because that place was packed.
Really?
Very good audience.
Great people.
Lovely, lovely place.
I'm just talking sort of off the top of my head about people that have military backgrounds and run Well, staying on target a little bit, we started to talk about, at the front of this, mainstream media and the way it handles subjects like this.
And when you were asking me, is it me?
Is it the sportscasting?
Did I have some inroads?
Did I have some background?
I did absolutely nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Did you tell Art Bell?
No.
You're kidding.
No, no.
As far as that, well, I don't know if he knows.
I did not.
No, no.
I don't know if Keith has told him.
No, no.
I haven't.
I was talking to Keith today about this.
He's like, you know, I'm getting a little personal.
I'm going to see the text come in from Keith here any second.
You know, Art is doing his own thing.
And he's out in Pahrump.
He's in Nevada.
He's in Las Vegas.
And he's doing his own thing.
He's healthy.
He's good.
He feels good.
And you know what?
Okay.
This is a pretty substantial announcement, actually.
He's going to be back in July.
We thought he was going to be back July of next year, 2015.
It was supposed to be mid-September, but the actual date now is July.
So we're going to get our, looks like, three, three and a half, maybe four months earlier than we were before.
He will have the time slot after this show.
So he will be going...
Head to head, neck to neck, mano y mano against his show of choice.
Yes, his show of choice.
Well, you know, and to that end, I'm grateful to Art for that.
I didn't want to have him come back and have this time slot, because this was the time slot he had with...
Oh, yeah.
Okay?
So, he was on earlier with Sirius.
And so, when he left the air, I took the 7 to 10 slot.
I love the 7 to 10 slot.
And the reason why I love the 7 to 10 slot is I have a life, too, as well.
And if I was broadcasting from 10 until 2 in the morning...
Then everybody on the East Coast is going to get me at, you know, what time is that on the East Coast?
10 o'clock?
That's 1 o'clock in the morning?
You know, and that's just not right, I don't think.
And now that everybody's kind of acclimated to this, me coming on the air at 10 o'clock on the East Coast, I think is a better fit for me, personally.
So, Art will be going back to his old time slot from right after this, immediately after this show.
Yeah, everyone loves that time slot for Art, I mean, I have to say.
We're used to it, we're used to it.
Then he's in the night, I went to sleep with my radio, you know.
In my year with Art, waiting to the last moment when he said goodnight, then I could go to sleep.
Well, also, what was really cool, because I would do the same thing, but then the show would repeat right then.
And so, you know, you get to the end, and then you could fall asleep and, like, dream and have those kooky dreams to the repeat of the show.
Absolutely.
And for years, not for years, but probably for two years, Eight hours long.
I didn't know it was repeating.
I just knew I fell asleep after four hours.
Right, right.
But, yeah, you're right.
And we're used to that.
We're used to that time slot for art.
And for me...
Let me say, you know, I know this is a completely different thing to say here.
But, you know, that's interesting because, you know, and I'm not a huge fan, but a certain person said once that Art Bell was going to be on the radio in Pahrump Directing people, after there was a major earth change, whatever happened, from California to go across the desert into Nevada and Arizona.
Did you know about that prediction?
I've never heard that story.
Oh, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
What are his initials?
ED. Ah!
Okay.
Alright.
You know what?
Let's leave ED alone.
No, I'm not going to go anywhere else.
I'm just saying.
No, but there was a prediction.
No, it was an interesting prediction.
A lot of the other predictions don't come true, and we're all good with that.
But the thing is that I have to say...
That it is interesting, he's coming in July of 2015, because you know, 2015 is like a bell ringer year for the Illuminati.
You do know that.
Well, there's that, and there's all the John Teeter stuff that gets involved with that, and yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
So 2015 is a big year.
It's a banner year.
And we need to have our bell, you know, on...
On point during that year, wouldn't you say?
Well, he will be.
He will be in July.
And for me, this is the cool thing.
It's like I'm opening up for Led Zeppelin or something.
I'm the opening act every night for Van Halen.
I'm the band you've never heard of.
That gets to open for the headliner.
And I will always look at it that way.
And it's an honor.
It's a privilege.
It's not a right.
It's not!
And the fact that I can do that, it's just like you punched a lottery ticket and it was a real lottery ticket.
It wasn't a dream.
And that's what it's like.
You're the real guy.
But I just want to get back to my whistleblower.
Oh yeah, the island.
Will your whistleblower come on the show?
I can talk to them, but I doubt it.
We can call them right now.
No, it's not that easy to reach.
But the thing is that one of these whistleblowers told me that not only that, but they were going to Catalina as well.
They were going between See, I'm saying that there is a couple little islands.
Maybe the military doesn't even tell people the names of them.
They're right out there.
Yeah, you can see them on Google Earth.
I don't think they're named.
Do you know how far this find of yours is from there?
I can certainly look.
Hey, Dale, find out really quick the island that is, there's a little point that sticks up just west and north of the anomaly.
Can you look at that and see if it's named and what the distance is?
Okay, and I'll look for your tweet to come in.
But, yeah, I'm guessing my memory is saying, you know, three, four miles.
Close, close.
Close enough.
Interesting.
Well, there's a lot of weird stuff that goes out.
You know what?
I missed our top of the hour.
This is Fade to Black on the Dark Matter Radio Network.
I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
We are live in studio with Carrie Cassidy and her camera crew.
Hi, Neil.
How are you doing?
Very good, thank you.
You want to talk on the mic?
Here, there you go.
Say hi to everybody.
Hello, everybody.
Wow, he is from Great Britain.
Wow.
He's the real deal.
Okay, Dale is working on it.
Okay.
Somebody just...
Okay, I have ignored email and stuff.
We're having a wonderful time here with Carrie, but I just...
Let me bang over and do a couple of things.
One question, Carrie.
I wonder what John Lear thinks about the deep underwater anomaly.
I haven't talked to John about this.
I don't know if you have.
I mean, he's got his finger on the pulse of all things breaking news and fringe.
So I'm sure he has some insight.
He's probably paying attention.
Yes, he does.
I tried to get him back on my show recently.
He was having some health issues.
I don't know if he's feeling any better.
His wife very sweetly got in touch with me to tell me that.
But if he is back and he is able to have a conversation, he's an amazing guest.
I will try him again, because this is the kind of thing that he would just love.
He loves this thing.
It was good hearing Carrie include Brian Forrester and her Malta research trip.
I've heard him on two or three shows and he presents fascinating information on the long skulls of Peru.
Did Ms.
Cassidy mention the long skulls in Malta is new information for me.
Are there other locations in the world besides Peru where these have been found?
Yes.
I think Egypt is one of them.
I'm sure that Samaria...
Possibly, we're talking Lebanon.
I don't know all of the places.
There even could be some in China, but I don't know.
See, I'm not the expert.
I did do a show with him.
I could go back through that show, but I recommend it.
And, you know, so go on my website and just search for the radio show with Brian Forster and, you know, just type his name in the search.
It should come up.
Here's a question for everybody here.
Do you know how often Google updates the images of this area?
Well, my answer is to that.
The specific images that we have, they've gone back and have been dated where you can go back and search previous dates on Google Earth.
You can actually plug in a date and go search that date.
They have been unchanged over here for a long time.
I checked over the years my own home and the studio.
You do it all the time.
You know, look at your own house and see, oh yeah, I remember when we owned that car.
You know what I mean?
Or worse than that, whose car is that at my house?
But anyway, I've seen like a three-year cycle.
Nothing...
You know, it's not like they update and they're driving...
It's not like Google's in the back pocket of the NSA and they wouldn't have gotten notified very recently to cloud over that particular area of the map.
I mean, come on, this is mainstream.
We have to, you know, understand why these people are playing ball with you.
I mean, are you going to be cool with this if this just, like, disappears?
If suddenly, you know, it's no longer on a map?
Or suddenly...
Basically, it's off limits.
By the way, is the Huffington Post reporter or even the paper itself, who are they working for?
Lee Spiegel.
He's probably listening to the show.
He's a friend.
Love Lee.
If he's listening now, he's called into the show.
He knows the number.
He can call in now and answer that question.
Lee's a friend.
Lee has been at the forefront of ufology, also radio.
I mean, he predates art and everybody else.
I mean, he was doing a radio show on ufology and UFOs out of New York on CBS, I believe, 1975.
You know, this is, you know, 15 years before arts, you know, in 1990-91.
Now, to that end, let me answer your question, though.
And who's interviewing who, by the way?
But let me answer your question.
Would I be cool with that?
What I don't expect is them to change something.
But if they did, they are entitled.
Example, Area 51.
Area 51, we all knew that there was an airport out there.
We all knew for years that the United States denied that it was even there, but it was there.
The fence is around it, the warning signs are posted, and you can't go there, you can't photograph it, you can't go near it, this is private, this is military.
If they do the same thing over here, fine, but at least we know it's there and that's what the intentions are.
If it's some protected military installation that we're not simply supposed to know about, And they've been building underground tubes and they have a way to get a submarine from L.A. to New York City in four hours.
Whatever the story is, if that's what it is, well, great.
Well, we found it, didn't we?
Just like Area 51, and that was a great discovery.
It took a guy like Bob Lazar, I'm not putting myself in Bob Lazar's shoes in any way, feel bad for the guy in what it did to his life.
And now the guy is out in Michigan somewhere selling chemicals online.
What's his company called?
United Nuclear or whatever it is.
But what he's not doing, he's not having fun.
in the public.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Let's slow down because I think Bob Lazar, first of all, he came to the surface recently with George Nash.
Yes, he did.
You know about that.
Yes.
And let me just say publicly that I'd love to interview you, Bob Lazar.
And, you know, no, I mean, he was having fun with all of this.
He did have fun with it.
And John Lear is his good friend, and I can tell you for a fact.
I mean, the guy was having a blast.
Not only that, he went off the reservation, He basically told the story.
He was driving, what I heard is he was driving his own car powered by water.
He was, you know, basically kind of being sort of like the scientist going, bad boy going off the reservation, et cetera, et cetera.
They made him another offer he couldn't refuse.
He went back to work for them for several years.
You may not know.
I don't know if you know that.
Yeah.
And then he came, then he, I guess they let him out again of the cage, and now he's got his own company and, you know, he's doing his own thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what he's done...
That's not a bad life.
No, no.
It's a horrible life.
Yeah, do you see him having fun?
Is he out?
Is he in public?
Is he going to Las Vegas and gambling?
Is he on vacation?
No, he can't do anything.
Why?
You know, because he's Bob Lazar.
Yeah, you know, and he can't do anything.
Look, you want to see my email exchanges with Bob?
Yeah.
You know?
He says that he's been heckled his whole life.
Well, no, I don't mean it like that.
But what I'm trying to say is that the path in his life that he wanted to go on is not what he's doing today.
I'm speaking for Bob.
If Bob hears this show later, I'm sure he's going to go, you know what, church?
You're absolutely right.
I wish I would have done it differently.
If I could turn back the clock, I would have done things absolutely differently.
Hey, it's all about your service to humanity, Bob.
So don't sweat it.
It's a good thing.
Well, yeah.
That's what I told him.
I don't need money in the pocketbook, but hey.
We're talking about the human race here.
Well, what he did do, there are a few people, just a few, a handful, that change society.
Let me give you a few examples.
Let me give you a few examples that change society.
John Lennon.
There's an era before John and after.
Okay?
MTV changed the world.
Okay?
A few things happen where somebody comes along and you can honestly look and say, the world was different before and the world changed after.
And Bob Lazar was one of those cats.
Yes.
And there was a world before Area 51 and after.
Now, he became, seriously became somebody that, Area 51 became a part of pop culture.
It became a part of Josephine.
Look at the way they talk about it in Independence Day, to comedians, to serious research, books, movies, the presidents talking about it.
Bill Clinton was on Jimmy Kimmel the other day talking about it.
But before Bob Lazar, there was no S4, there was no Area 51.
And that's what Bob Lazar means to all of us.
You would thank God.
Yes, and that's my point.
You know, and because of that, is it the life that he wants to live today, living in Michigan, you know, selling online beauty products?
Well, maybe he needs to come to Camelot, you know what I'm saying?
Well, he agreed to come on the show, just so you know.
Yes, he agreed to come on the show.
You are so lucky.
No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
I mean, a year from now, he's not going to tell Art Bell no, right?
A year from now?
Yes.
I think, I think, well, this is, well, okay, well, hold on.
Let me just explain a couple of things.
Before this George Knapp and this 25-year anniversary thing and all this happened, I contacted, and he wrote me back right away.
He said, yeah, okay, yeah, let's do this.
What's the show about?
What do you want to do?
What do you want to talk about?
I don't want to talk about the past.
I said, hey, You know, Bob, whatever you want to do, it doesn't matter.
I think people just want to know what you've been up to.
You dropped off, went silent, and people would just like to know, are you okay?
How you doing?
What's going on?
It's your conversation, but let's just hear from you.
Okay, sounds good.
Yeah, let's go ahead and button this down.
I'm going to be out of the country for a couple of weeks.
When I come back, let's put our schedules together.
We'll do this.
I was like, hey, right on.
Okay, boom.
A couple weeks later, George Knapp interview.
Now, was I hurt?
Was I mad?
Absolutely not.
George Knapp, John Lear, that whole crew.
Well, you can throw Noria Hayat-Cowell into that mix, too, as well.
No, they were all there.
SDM. Sean David Morgan.
Yeah, I just said SDM. Okay, so that whole crew, I wasn't part of that crew.
So we think he had kind of first rights.
Absolutely!
I can't hold anything against George.
Is it a future date with him?
Right now things are on hold.
That's my point to you.
Would he do Art Bell?
I think he got his ya-ya's out.
He came out, he popped his head out like pucks to Pawnee Phil and did his thing with George and he's back into his hole and I don't know if he's going to come out again.
Okay, well, look, I don't know what kind of pressure he's under, okay?
But the bottom line is that sometimes you just need to, you know, the best place to hide is out in the open.
That's the Camelot motto.
I mean, you know.
Yeah.
No, I'm serious.
Yeah, I'm serious too.
These people, I mean, I can name some certain other whistleblowers that do the same thing.
They keep, you know, somebody picks up the phone, they make a threat, the person goes into hiding again, but they're miserable.
And, you know, it's not going to last forever.
I mean, look.
You know, we have to take our own sort of world into our hands and maybe he's in denial.
Maybe if he just came all the way out and was just, you know, the media personality he's supposed to be anyway and he talked about that time and he, you know, just, you know, also talked about his free energy exercises, you know, investigations, whatever you want to call them.
I mean...
Look, this is the whole thing that's happening now.
We're in a different era than we were back then, right?
So maybe it's time again to, you know...
Okay, the islands are...
Hold on, it just popped up.
17.5 miles is called Anacapa.
27 miles away is Santa Cruz.
And 53 miles away is Santa Rosa.
There's three islands.
Three of them in a row.
Now, Dale, I understand that I'm looking at the anomaly here.
That first island, that first little guy, there's the three main islands.
That first little guy, which I'm going to call that island number four, that's the one that I'm talking about.
And is that island unnamed?
Anacapa, that's the 27th, that's the big one, right?
The first one of the three.
I get that.
I'll look for your tweet.
But, um, awesome.
Yeah, that's, uh, they're a pretty significant size, too, the islands.
But there is, uh...
But those are pretty far away.
Yeah, they're pretty far away.
The first one is the one that I'm interested in.
It looks like it's about, I'm going to say 10 miles.
And Brad, I just saw your tweet there that I broke the big broadcast rule by saying the word um.
And I can't wait.
Brad, I can't wait until you do your broadcast.
Anyway, I'm just having fun.
So, back to, you know, look, Bob was significant.
And I think that some people are built for dealing with those types of pressures.
Dealing with society.
Dealing with notoriety.
There is a certain amount of...
There's fame, there's famous, and there's kind of like infamous, too.
You can throw that into the mix.
You're going to tell me about that?
Yeah, right, right.
Well, that's why you're here.
Yeah, that's why you're here.
And so with Bob, you know, when you deal with that...
I remember seeing those old videos...
Of him pulling up in his Corvette, jumping out of the car, all dressed, dashing, and, hey, I'm Bob Lazar, and I'm going to tell you about physics, you know, and do these presentations.
I think that, I don't know if that was Bob.
I think that was Bob thinking that's what Bob needed to be.
I'm being serious.
Before that, you know, he was developing film at his house.
We had a one-minute photo depot thing and building jet cars.
I don't think he was quite prepared for what society at that time, Area 51, with cable news and cable TV, and we were on the information age, the brink of things.
Sure.
That story broke fast, big, and wide.
I don't think he was quite prepared.
I don't think anybody is.
Right.
Okay.
Well, that was a moment in history, though.
He made history, all right?
Absolutely.
So how bad can it be?
I just spit Starbucks all over the monitors.
That was good, that was good, that was good.
Okay, so, well, now, let's talk about somebody else that I think was almost in the same position.
Let's talk about Gary McKinnon.
And the reason why I want to talk about McKinnon was because, unlike Lazar, But similar to Lazar, there was a few things that happened with governments.
And with McKinnon, it was big.
But also, remember, Bob Lazar forced Senate hearings, disclosure, the President denying that this even existed.
I mean, at a government level, at a major policy level, that this land never exists.
This doesn't exist.
We can't talk about it.
He forced Gary McKinnon He's got the heads of state of two countries,
the UK and the United States, bickering over whether he's going to get prosecuted and extradited and charged.
The CIA is leveling charges and accusations and the space agencies and harm to computers and national interests.
But what I mean is that Gary McKinnon suddenly is dealing with Two countries fighting over each other.
A major policy of fighting.
Didn't the Queen get involved?
Or Blair?
Part of that is because of his very talented mother.
She brought the celebrities forward.
He became a cause celeb.
That's a fact.
And probably a good thing that he did because it protected his life.
He didn't go to Guantanamo.
He's an artistic guy, very sensitive guy.
He probably wouldn't have lasted, from his mother's point of view, five minutes there.
But the Gary McKinnon I met very early on, and I was one of the first people to interview him face-to-face at that pub in Britain.
And I did that interview by myself.
I have to say, that was a different Gary McKinnon.
How did you nail him down so quickly as the story broke?
First of all, Bill Ryan was English.
We just knew we wanted to go over there.
We were there anyway in England on other business, as I recall.
In fact, Bill, I think he had to go to work.
He still had a job back in those days.
I took a train.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I landed at this pub.
Back in those days, it was just pure magic what happened with Camelot.
It was like you and this underground base thing.
In other words, it had a life of its own.
We contacted somebody and boom, we were there.
I mean, we went and interviewed Bulford face-to-face, in Japan of all places.
We went to Russia and interviewed Bariska face-to-face.
No one else, even before or since, has done that from outside the country.
I mean, the odds were astronomical that we would pull that off.
I mean, Bill argued with me for two weeks, saying it couldn't be done.
But I stuck to my guns.
I have to say that we just put it out there.
We had this sort of joie de vie and this sort of chutzpah, just like Bob Lazar did back in the day.
And we just said, we're going out there and we're going to do this deal.
And we're going to change the world.
I mean, we actually planned to change the world.
It wasn't an accident.
And I know you haven't named Camelot as one of those...
Places or people, but I have to say that I get people coming up to me all the time saying that we changed their world.
That's powerful, and that's really, that's thanks enough, really.
So I think Lazar should maybe think about it in those terms.
In other words, if you widen the paradigm for people, if you widen what's possible, the truth has not come out except on my interview, okay, and maybe one or two other places, but for the most part, From his words.
I mean, you know, words to camera kind of thing.
Right.
Where he's literally saying fleet to fleet transfers.
Right.
Non-terrestrial officers.
Right.
Boom, boom, boom.
This is the reality.
Secret space program right there.
Right.
We're talking Solar Warden and, you know, the whole nine yards.
And this was very early on in the trajectory.
It's a fascinating interview.
And we were talking before the show.
I've seen it probably five times.
And I'm actually not telling you the truth.
It's probably a lot higher than that.
I just want to admit to it.
But the reason for that is Gary, a lot like this anomaly or Area 51 or this Malibu thing, stuff like this comes along very rarely.
And with Gary, it was like hilarious.
And I ate up every word of it.
Now, I believe...
Honestly, there's a couple of things about Gary.
I don't know if he's as smart as I want him to be, or maybe I'm hoping he's not as...
What I mean is, he comes across very humble and honest.
He doesn't come across like some intelligent, ego-ed, out, self-centered...
He doesn't come across like me.
He comes across like a guy that is easy to talk to, and he's being very, very, very honest.
Childlike is kind of...
Hold on, Carrie.
Listen to me.
I'm listening.
I'm listening.
I hear you.
In his honesty, he's telling the truth.
Yeah, he is.
He's telling the truth.
Yes, and you can tell that.
You can tell when a kid is lying.
Sometimes an adult can be a little deceptive, and with him it doesn't come across that way.
And so that's the intriguing part.
So I'm watching this over and over again because I know that I'm hearing the truth.
I don't want to see something over and over again if I think it's...
BS. That serves no purpose.
With Gary, I want these details, man.
I'm eating it up.
When he talks about the screen and the image coming down and he's looking at the earth and he sees this giant craft right there and his heart is pounding.
He's like, oh man, what is this?
And all of a sudden the mouse grabs hold of the screen and I'm like, whoa, that is good stuff.
Now with Gary, I believe every last bit of it.
Now let me give everybody a quick background and I'm going to do a 20 second background on Gary McKinnon.
Gary McKinnon was a computer engineer kind of technician guy and he would install business systems in businesses in England.
But his job was...
A very simple one where he would install operating systems, go in, access administration passwords on computers at the administration level, and then change and install software.
But what he had the ability to do was find out what computers didn't have their password changed yet.
That was his whole ticket.
So he had this little simple program that would scan Computers and allow him to go in and enter the basic BIOS of a system at an administration level because the passwords weren't changed yet.
So that's all he did.
But his kick was UFOs.
He loved the subject.
So he knew he could access, through a modem actually, Dial up.
Dial up.
Anyway, I want to do the short version of the story.
So he was able to access over here at the Johnson Space Center.
Uh, their computer systems and access the computers that didn't have the administration password changed yet on the computer.
And his little software program, very simple, but it would go and find these computers and he can access it and he would go on those computers and type in search UFO and just see what popped up.
And that's what he would do.
That was it.
Harmless.
I guess.
Illegal.
Yeah.
But it wasn't...
But what are you going to find at that level?
Well, he didn't know.
And that was his hobby.
That was his thing.
It's like backing your car out of the driveway and driving over a bag full of cash.
It was an accident.
You know what I mean?
And that's what happened to Gary.
And he accessed the real deal.
He hid a couple of files.
He found images.
He found names.
He found data.
And then he got caught.
And apparently, you can jump in here.
Because you've interviewed him directly, but some technician was walking by, at least this is the government story that they say.
They're walking by, they see Gary farting around with this mouse and this image that is, and they go up and they realize somebody's got remote control of this computer, boom, a message is sent, you are, you know, boom, and shut down the computer, and at that point he knew he was caught.
And that's, and And then, how many weeks later until MI6 knocked on the door?
You know, I don't remember.
This has just been too long.
I haven't even sat and watched the whole thing.
By the way, it was on, I think it was Ancient Aliens recently.
They purchased the footage from us, but they have yet to pay us.
Hello?
He's just getting me in trouble.
No, no.
Hey, I would say that on my radio show.
So I'll take full responsibility for that statement.
No, I have to say, he was also found out about airbrushing photos.
He had a dialogue going with...
He saw the before and after pics, yes.
Yes.
But he also had a dialogue going with somebody.
I don't even know if that's out there.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
He had a dialogue going with somebody at the Johnson Space Station.
Oh!
Female?
Yes.
I mean, there's more to this story than, you know.
Well, no, I'm giving the short version of it.
All right.
Okay.
And, well, the part that gets a little funky is that's basically all that he did.
He didn't damage anything.
The United States, the charges that they brought down on him.
It was nonsense.
Right, that it was over $500,000 in damages to the computer systems, therefore it's a felony.
Actually, they should have paid him, because if they were as negligent as computers were, then they should be paying him.
In fact, he always wished they'd offer him a job, and they could have just swept the whole thing under the carpet and done what they should have done.
But, you know, they wanted to make an acceptance.
An example of him.
But you see, there's reasons for this kind of stuff.
And you've got to remember that they also do trade-offs with Britain.
So their governments are not just...
He's like a pawn.
He became a pawn in a bigger game, if you will.
Now, I don't know if he knows what the bigger game is.
I don't know if I know all the details.
I do know some of the back-channel details, which basically, there was another person that got traded...
To the US, extradited to the US, instead of Gary.
Well, it certainly was resolved.
Yes, yes, yes.
It was certainly resolved quickly.
Not quickly.
Not in Gary's world.
No, no, no.
It took ten years.
But no, what I mean is once this extradition and the Prime Ministers evolved and the President was involved and they were bickering back and forth, then it ended pretty quickly.
And that's my point.
It was just like, it was such a big scandal.
And I'll say, you know what?
It's cool.
He can stay.
It's alright.
Don't worry about it.
Alright.
Yeah, but bottom line, he found out more than he's even released.
Oh, I'm sure.
And they don't ever want to see that guy on trial being totally lucid.
Alright?
Because he's a threat.
They had to drop it.
Yes.
It's in their interest to drop it.
Right, right.
Okay.
Right.
And they couldn't have...
Well, they probably would have hidden behind some kind of mental instability.
You know, that whole Osbergers thing.
They were already running down that road.
Yeah, they were.
They were.
What do you think about...
And Gary, we have huge, huge listeners in the UK. And if you're listening now or any relatives...
Your relatives have already contacted this show.
Please, loosen up.
Come hang out with us over here.
Carrie's here.
It's all good.
We would love to have you on the show.
He's a wonderful musician, by the way.
I've heard that.
I'm saying this to preempt my next comment.
Do you feel he looks hybrid-ish?
He's got a look about him.
Is there anything alien about him, E.T.-ish?
You can't nod your head, we're on radio.
I know, I know.
I'm just messing with you.
But look, I'm not the only person to say this.
No, come on.
People do look E.T.-ish.
I mean, some look more so than others, you know, and absolutely.
Like I said, he was on a mission.
Right.
So when you were talking to him, you met him.
Not too many people have.
So what was your impression with that?
Because when you look at the interview that you did with Gary, and by the way, I strongly suggest...
Everybody, after the show tonight, go and seek that out.
Find it, Project Camelot, Gary McKinnon.
It's easy.
I think there's two.
Is it a two-two, two-parter?
Part one, part two?
Is there two videos?
I think now it's out.
You need to see the new re-release.
So it's on my YouTube channel, Project Camelot, you know, the YouTube channel, which is Jack Bodie.
The one that's got eight million subscribers, is that one?
A lot.
A lot.
Okay.
But yeah, I mean, and you just look for the, you know, Gary McKinnon re-release, so it's more recent.
In other words, you don't have to go back in history.
It's just, it was only, I re-released it right around the time when...
Ancient Aliens wanted to put it on the TV set.
It was an opportunity to buff it up.
I strongly suggest it because it's some of the most compelling video.
You captured it.
It was a moment in time.
So when you're doing the interview and you're talking to him, you can't deny the fact that he's got a very unique face.
Very unique.
And a very unique way of speaking, too.
And his eyes...
So, were you thinking anything strange at the time, or looking back is how you maybe reflect on it and maybe think?
I don't know, because you're talking to me, right?
So, from my perspective, we're all ET, and we're all mixtures of different races, so I'm always looking at somebody like that, not just Gary.
To me, he seemed incredibly disarming, brilliant, that was obvious.
He was very in full possession of himself.
You know what I mean?
He wasn't shy or exhibiting any kind of what you call deflection or sort of shifty eyes or any of that kind of weird stuff that sometimes I can get.
It was an amazing thing.
He's just like I'm honest.
He looks at you directly.
He's a good guy.
It's obvious that he's a principled guy when you're talking to him.
I mean, he was in his local pub, so he was feeling comfortable.
It was one of those sort of moments in time when I was in the right place in the right time, and he was in the right place at the right time, in my opinion.
And we just captured this moment.
I knew that I had to just be there then.
I knew that there could be no, like, maybe we'll do it another day kind of thing.
I knew we had to get him right then.
Camelot interviews, by the way, in history, in the history of Camelot, we have had those moments when you either get it at that moment or you never get it.
So it was one of those times.
And it was obvious to me I was living through one of those times at that moment.
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Somebody said they wanted to stir the pot and wanted me to bring up Michael Hastings.
Oh.
Is there anything to stir the pot about there?
Isn't that the Rolling Stone guy that got killed?
Oh, you know what?
Okay, let's move on.
Let's move on.
Why?
I don't know if that's who they mean.
As I recall, I think that's his name.
Yeah, he was basically targeted by a scalar weapon.
His Mercedes engine jumped out of the car.
Oh, Michael Hastings!
Oh, of course, here in L.A. On Highland.
Yes.
Oh, I was thinking totally something else.
When you said Rolling Stone, I'm like, when were the roadies?
The Rolling Stones?
No, Rolling Stones.
Why would the CIA mess with that?
Very famous reporter.
Oh, yeah, and he lived not too far from here, actually.
Huge loss.
Huge loss to the world, let me say.
I believe that he had some very good inside knowledge from the general that he basically was embedded with for a while in Afghanistan, and he learned too much from this guy, now I'm going to get his name wrong, but the general who was quite a notorious general who also worked in black projects.
You can go on Google on...
I think it's Wikipedia and see the general worked in black projects before he went to Afghanistan.
So I wanted to get to Michael Hastings because I felt that if Camelot could get to a guy like that who had already heard a bunch of stuff that gave him clues to the secret space program...
That he would be one of those places where he could blow the story right out of the water.
I mean, that day and the night before that he died, he was already talking.
Okay, look, man, they're following me.
I'm getting ready to bust this wide open.
I'm feeling a little bit pressured right now.
It was like in real time, as he is saying those words...
Of all things, people have to know Hollywood and where...
Where he crashed.
Highland is not a street that you drive 130 miles an hour on at any time of day because you can't.
There's traffic.
There's issues.
There's police.
Every 50 feet there's a cop car.
You can't break any laws.
You can't even jaywalk.
I'm not making light of this.
I'm being serious.
It's a very, very, very watched place.
And the tourists that are there.
That's where the Kodak Theater is, the Academy Awards.
This is a very...
Hollywood and Highland.
It's video.
Everything goes on there.
So anyway, of all the places in America where you're going to go and drive 130 miles an hour, no.
It ain't going to happen.
And for him to do that and just careen off the road, hit a telephone pole, car blows up, he dies, and everything happens.
And one of the most populated...
It just...
It was murder, you know?
And that's the only way that you can look.
But see, they murder journalists.
Hello.
Yeah.
You know, because this is my home a little bit here.
Here we are.
Two of us are right here at ground zero.
I was going to say, talk about a freaking bullfight.
Oh, boy.
Yes.
But we do have our protectors, don't we, Jimmy?
Yeah, you know, I feel that.
I feel that all the time.
But if I'm alien...
There's fat aliens?
Is that what you're saying?
I'm not sure you said that.
I thought they were all skinny little guys.
No, we're not talking grays.
Okay.
You're lucky stars.
But yeah, you know, I do feel that.
I do.
I don't feel there were issues with it.
Certainly the fans of the show know that we went through some crazy technical issues when we would have certain guests on.
A member of the Joint Chiefs was calling into this show.
I've never said his name on the air, but he pops up once in a while.
He hasn't called here in a while.
It's been about four months.
What did he call to say?
I never pick up the phone.
You're kidding.
No!
Why not?
Well, okay.
Let's be realistic here.
Do I really...
If you want to call now, I'll pick up.
Let's be realistic about a couple of things.
Do I really want to know why he's calling?
Do I really want to know that?
And do I really...
Maybe he wants to call on the show.
Maybe he's kudos to you.
Well...
You don't have to be smart for this.
I figured this out.
In that, he knows...
This is a member of the Joint Chiefs.
Okay?
Goofing around on Skype?
Come on, is this really...
Wait a minute.
I'll show you...
How do you know it was him?
Oh, great.
Great.
He's calling.
Right now.
Hi, you're on with Carrie.
Yeah, who's calling?
Hey, Dino, how you doing?
Hold on, let me make sure...
Carrie, can you hear Dino?
Yeah.
All right.
Dino, how you doing tonight, man?
I'm doing pretty good.
I've been on a radio all day, cut the tree.
I have to say, in all the years, the few years that I seriously took this type of research, seriously, I saw this beautiful woman on the internet named Carrie, and she must be born in April, say, aren't No wonder I like you.
I'm a lover like Jimmy.
But anyway, I appreciate your caution with all these issues because I always worry about Jimmy, whether he's going to go diving for this Malibu base or anything.
If all of these things...
Even if some of them are true, I worry about the safety of people like you.
And you keep saying, Jimmy, well, I'm in the public aisle, but I think you should just be careful.
Yes, and you know what, you're right.
But the thing is, is you have to, I look at it like this, you have to have the attitude that I have about it.
Because if you take the other tap, and you're cautious, and you're looking over your shoulder, that interrupts your thought, that interrupts the way that you speak, that interrupts the way that you approach life.
And I don't look at life like that.
It's a little bit more reckless abandon for me.
I've always been that.
Look, I was a lead guitar player in a heavy metal band in the 80s.
How reckless can you be?
I've always faced life like that.
I was always the guy that was willing to jump off the cliff with my friends.
I didn't care.
And I've always looked at life like that.
And so when it comes to this, Dino, it's okay.
I'll be alright.
It's just, if there weren't people out there like, you know, Carrie, and certainly Bob Lazar is a really good example of this, and Gary McKinnon, or, you know, I don't want to put myself in with them, because I'm not.
I'm just a guy.
But if I kept quiet about this, what if I opened up that email for Maxwell and And did nothing about it.
What if I did that?
What if I didn't talk about this on the show?
Then, you know what?
That's wrong.
So, you know, I'm the kind of guy that goes, you know what?
Screw this, man.
That's a UFO base.
Let's go find out about this.
Let's go public.
The exact opposite of that, not doing anything, is the wrong thing to do.
It is the mind killer.
You start to fear and you don't think straight.
But I guess I was a wearier in my younger years as I've gotten older now.
I still look over my shoulder, but I say, to hell with it, I'm an American.
You know, I'm going to do what I can.
And if I go down, I just hope my friends and other people around will see that, hey, that guy was okay.
There's someone bad and evil after him.
You should be careful.
That's okay, you know, but you'd be the guy to push me off the boat, you know.
Go do it.
Go ahead, do it.
Because I have a very safety-conscious side, or I wouldn't have made it this far.
But, Terry, all these interviews you've had are just amazing.
I've seen them on the Internet.
Thank you.
What are you going to do next?
Are you going to talk about this whistleblower on these strange islands off of Southern Calum?
Well, yeah, sure.
I mean, absolutely.
I mean, I'm going to have Jimmy on my show next week, and I mean, I'm going to follow that story all the way out.
But, I mean, I think there's a lot more going on, you know, besides that as well.
You know, so let's not get distracted.
Well, I think that this is, again, a wonderful discussion.
Let's go into some more dark areas.
You know, what do you think about regalship?
What do you think about the strange caves that Jimmy was talking about last night?
I mean, you're going to be in England.
You seem to like English guys.
So what about the crop circles there?
What's new with that area?
You know, I don't know.
I can tell you that I was in a crop circle about a year ago, and it was very interesting that farmer was hard at work trying to, you know, mow it down and make it reduced to nothing.
I've heard that there are some interesting I don't know, they're like silver plates that can be found in crop circles.
I never hear people talking about them, but I heard that they were there.
You know, Britain is a heavy, heavy, I'm sorry to say this, heavily satanic country.
And, um, and, and what's really fascinating to me when I'm in Britain is, uh, laughing about the headlines because they are so psychotic, um, on their, on what they call, what they, what passes for a newspaper there.
But, um, sorry to say, uh, you know, and that isn't to say that all the reporters are jaded or anything, but, um, wow, it's, you know, this sort of emphasis on Satanism that's coming out in the, in the British press is really sort of, um, disquieting, I guess you might say.
So there's an issue with that that I've got.
Um, go ahead.
No, I mean, there's also an issue with pedophilia in Britain right now and a lot of stuff coming out about entertainers in that regard, and that goes down that Illuminati line.
You know, I mean, we have to talk about these important things that are going on because if we don't, you know, the New World Order is just going to put itself in place and we're all going to fall asleep and that's going to be it.
And as far as being in the United States, which I assume that's where you are, right?
Well, we're looking at a bunch of Nazis basically having taken over our country, so we have a lot of work to do.
Yeah, you're right.
Today I sent some emails protesting what's going on with the Internet and open Internet, open access.
But, you know, I went back to the crop circles.
Colin Andrews, I got to talk to him a couple of times.
You know, it just seemed like a nice, gentle man.
He used to be an electrical engineer.
But it kind of ruined his life, Jason, this passion.
He ended up losing his wife.
I guess he lives in Connecticut now.
But just such a nice man.
But at the end of 25 or so years doing this crop circle research, he seems to have turned it into more of a spiritual thing.
And I still never got from him, well, do you think aliens are doing these?
Are they messages?
Because we know Doug and Dave have been dead a long time.
I read that one guy that's in one of these secret clubs that does crop circles, and again, Paul and Andrews said he thought 85% of them were hoaxes, but that 15% were real.
And these guys said that there were these clubs that they felt compelled Yeah, I'm sure that the people who research them do feel that way, but I have to say that we do also know that the military is making some crop circles nowadays, that they have the technology to do things of that nature.
But there are various ETs that are also creating them.
I mean, to tell you the truth, you can talk to me about a lot of things.
Crop circles are not one of my areas of expertise.
When you say the military, one math teacher I know told me he felt, a friend of his told him it was microwave satellites that the military was carving these out of the field with.
Do we have that technology?
Well, we certainly have nanosatellites, as a matter of fact.
And, you know, you can look at Anthony Sanchez's Project Leonid researchers that came out of Lockheed Martin that basically were whistleblowers on the run talking about those.
But as far as the crop circles go, you know, they've got these little silver balls that basically can affect, and I don't even understand the technology, so I'm not going to say I do.
But, you know, basically, look, the secret space program is what they say is 10,000 years ahead of us.
So they can do just about anything they want to do at this moment.
I mean, look, they're going to Moon, Mars, moons of Jupiter, Saturn.
I mean, this is what we're talking about.
Well, you know, we need to get Nancy Talbot back.
I hadn't spent enough time.
I was kind of like you.
I read about crop circles when something new would happen, and there was something to read about.
That's what I knew about crop circles.
But when you bring in somebody like Nancy, where you speak to somebody that really knows what's going on, She knows every single crop circle that's ever been, ever, and how it was created, if it's real or not.
She won't talk to you about the fake ones.
Don't care, don't care.
I don't research that.
Don't care, don't care.
That one's real.
And when she tells you why...
Yeah, exactly.
And there's a whole spiritual thing with her, too, as well.
Well, look, I get music.
I mean, I think that the crop circles are giving us subliminal information that we are acknowledging and we're hearing it.
Yeah, and I do believe that there's also musical information coming from crop circles.
So, for what it's worth.
Okay, well, let me get something that you are an expert in.
If I can ask one more thing.
Okay, Dino, make it quick.
We've got other calls coming in.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Real quickly, so these U.S. These people, these dozen or so people, did they go in the 60s to Yvonne and all that?
Did that story ever pan out or was that just BS? Oh, you're talking about the Serpo Project.
Serpo.
Well, they called it the Serpo Project.
Yeah.
There's a ton of disinfo around that.
Apparently there were human ET exchange programs that went on.
Just like you saw at the end of Close Encounters with Richard Dreyfuss, that was a nod in that direction.
And you can bet that Spielberg has been read in and on and off through the years.
There's no doubt about that.
So, I mean, yeah, I mean, there was some truth.
We, Bill and I, back in the day, actually drove to one of the people's houses.
The DIA, you know, it was a Defense Intelligence Agency release of information.
It was basically to bring people up to speed.
We actually, we had our car followed.
We had our car, you know, they tagged it.
We drove up to one of the commander's houses.
We delivered a letter.
We invited him for an interview.
He, you know, we never got an answer.
But we were tailed the whole way.
We basically tracked him down using investigative skills back in the day.
And there were other stories that go along with that.
We talked to Richard Doty.
I met him face to face.
He knows a hell of a lot about where the bodies are buried, so to speak.
They did make Paul Benowitz crazy.
I know a lot of bits and pieces all over the place.
But I can tell you that, yes, some truth in Project Serpo, a lot of it disinfo.
Thank you, Dino.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dino.
Always, Dino.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
You know, with me, with Project Serpo, I'll just cut to the chase on that.
It was too good to be true.
That's the deal with Serpo.
That could have been the greatest movie ever made.
It was laid out that way.
It was too well thought out.
It was, I mean, you know, come on.
And I just thought, this is it.
This is it.
The more that I read, the more stuff that was coming out, and the secret information coming in from this guy, and everybody had code names, and it was just like, just cool.
Wow!
And then it was Dodie.
You know?
You know what I mean?
Have you met him?
No, no, no, no.
Have you?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, the way that...
I doubt I've invited him on this show.
Have you?
Well, of course.
Of course.
You know, and...
You impress me because you seem to not miss a beat.
You really know all the players.
Well, it's not...
It's...
The things that interest me when...
The entire Benowitz, Dodie, Falcon, Jimmy Shandera, and that whole origin,
going back to Stanton, Friedman, And this whole puzzle that MJ-12 and Dodie and the way that all of this mess was put together was one of the most fascinating for me.
And Dodie was like the hub.
He was like the pinwheel that everything just kind of went off on.
And when you find out that the government is actually...
Not capable.
They're capable of a lot of things, but really do do things like that.
Like, you know, drive a guy insane.
Yeah.
And they do it on purpose.
Sure.
That is one of the most frightening thoughts ever.
And then you look in Dodie's eyes, and he doesn't care.
I don't think he feels guilty.
I think he feels like he was doing his job, and that's it.
He was taking orders, and that's it.
Okay, well, so Benowitz was in the way, but you know what?
We used him for a greater purpose.
That is about as disturbing as a subject as you can have, because it's not supposed to be that way.
Right.
Okay, well, I mean, look, you know, this is what we're faced with.
We're faced with, I mean, the people that are spying on you, the people that are in the military, some of these people, you know, they believe they're doing a service.
I mean, even, you know, they figure people out there are so naive that giving them, like, this Project Serpa was at least kind of like putting training wheels on a bicycle.
That maybe people would get up to speed with the story and this and that.
But the thing is that there are elements of truth there, first of all.
Yes, there has to be elements of truth, otherwise it's too easy to figure out.
Look, we have backchannel information that there are, I don't know, something like seven or eight of these stupid programs.
Sorry to say, but to me they're a little sort of benane.
There are tragedies, too, because you're talking about Americans that are leaving this planet to go live on another planet.
Never to return again in most cases.
And maybe not survive.
There were some insidious underlying elements to the Serpo story that a lot of people kind of missed.
They missed.
You know, it is very interesting.
There was an attack on Serpo.
Certain things had to happen.
Why were they being attacked?
There were so many questions that went unanswered when they did release something.
You know...
This is what we're talking about.
We are talking about a secret space program.
We're talking about a rogue civilization.
And I think it behooves all of us, every American, to find out as much as they can about it, because we're paying for it, for one thing.
They're living off our sweat, our labor.
The black projects, the money.
I mean, this weekend, if I make it up to the secret space program conference, one of the main people I want to interview is Catherine Austin Fitz.
She's been following the money into black projects.
She's been following the surface level, but I'm still interested to see where she's going with it and what she's uncovered because I don't think it's really come out.
But this is the bottom line.
Serpo was just like child's play compared to what Camelot came up with during the years we were going deep, deep, deep down the rabbit hole.
At this moment, whistleblowers won't go before the camera, by and large.
They're really few and far between.
There's a reason for that.
We live in a surveillance society.
It's gotten worse and worse.
We sort of hit the ground running.
At a time when they put a lot of these guys, these older guys, and there may be some older women out there that we just haven't even reached, you know, out to pasture.
And they started to ignore them.
And they thought, well, they'll just go quietly into this dark night, so to speak.
Right.
And that didn't happen.
Right.
Those people had consciences.
They were brilliant.
They were left out to dry.
Maybe they brought younger recruits in and thought they'll get a younger model of the same old thing.
And then what happened is the minute we interviewed these people, they realized not only is the eye of the public on them, not only are they disclosing stuff they don't want out there, but then they started to re-recruit them.
They bring them back in the fold.
They figured putting a short leash on a person like that is the only way, and it's got to be a lifetime leash.
And sad to say, that's the reality of what we're looking at.
Well, with Serpo...
You touched on two things that I think are important here.
Number one, and Jay Allen Hynek did his cameo too, and stuff.
But when you look, I think we've all, in a weird way, have come to accept the fact that when everybody stepped off in that famous scene, and they're coming down in Close Encounters, That's reality.
Okay, that this actually happened.
I think we're all cool with that.
It doesn't matter who you are.
School teacher, grandmother, grandfather, whatever mechanic, head of a corporation.
I think we're all cool with that.
Okay, yeah, okay.
Yeah, Bermuda Triangle kidnappings.
They went to another...
They're coming back.
Okay, we're cool with that.
Alright?
So, Serpo comes out with this Disinfo campaign knowing that there's elements of truth there.
What was the intention?
Why, when society is probably already cool with this, why disinfo with Serpo?
And, I mean, what was the intention of it?
And it was only done on the internet.
Well, okay, and it was Victor's List.
First of all, Victor's List was filled with intelligence agents.
It was filled with journalists.
It was filled with ex-military journalists.
It was like, you know, they do these things.
They're market research.
They're looking, it's like flypaper.
They want to find out the people out there who are the latest, you know, because they lose touch.
They don't have touch with really the sort of zeitgeist, if you will.
Right.
And what did they get?
They got it in spades.
Because who was the person who volunteered to build their website?
You know, my future partner in Camelot was Bill Ryan.
Right.
And he went in completely, eyes sort of wide open, but no idea about anything in that sense.
I mean, he'd been a researcher, but he didn't...
And he started getting all these intel contacts, contacting him, trying to recruit him, and this and that.
I mean, crazy stuff.
Luckily, I was the one who recruited him, right?
And the rest is history, as they say.
So, you know, I mean, really...
Hold on a minute.
Let's take a quick call.
You're live with us.
Who's calling?
Where are you calling from?
Hey, it's Leslie.
Leslie, how are you, sir?
Good.
How are you doing, man?
You know, I can officially say first-time caller.
Okay, yeah, so Leslie, first off, welcome.
And Leslie's part of I'm officially a crackhead, by the way.
That's not very nice.
No, no, no.
Hey, Leslie, are you a crackhead?
I don't crack it.
When I intro the show every night, Carrie does At the intro of every show, I say, let's get this one cracking.
And so, all of the fans on the show, they want to call themselves, you know, they're cracking.
I didn't say it.
They said it.
Anyway, Leslie, how are you doing?
A quick question for Carrie?
Yeah, um...
Is Project Kim Watto over with?
No.
Hello?
Well, hold on, Leslie.
That's a great question.
You know that that's a great question.
Why is it a great question?
You know, there was...
The...
I guess it's more direct.
Well, I want to say what I want to say.
It's over 300 hours of videos on YouTube.
There are rumors.
I'll see my ass over here.
That's right.
There are rumors that Project Hamelot had stopped.
That was a disinfo campaign.
It was.
Okay.
Like I said, it's an honest question.
So, Leslie is part of...
I know, but do these people fucking go to my website?
Hello?
Hello?
Have you subscribed to YouTube?
Hello, have you?
We have a YouTube channel, did you know that?
Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm subscribed to.
Yeah, well hello, then you know that Bill Ryan left Project Camelot over four years ago and for the past over four years I've been running it and putting out videos like practically weekly.
Yeah, and so who was responsible for this disinfo?
You know, they wanted to take us down.
They've always wanted to take us down.
There's like supreme jealousy out there.
Yeah, I totally get it.
And I know that Leslie and...
We have a very smart audience.
They are out there researching.
It's the truth.
It's the truth.
And they're out there researching all the time.
And all you've got to do is Google Project Camelot and then you're going to have...
50, 100 websites telling the story about how there's a feud going on and it's stopped, it's starting.
Oh, wait, wait, it's all out there.
That's like, I know, but that was four years ago.
But it's still, it doesn't go away.
It doesn't go away.
Why don't they go to my website?
I know, projectcamelot.org.
Go to the front page.
We have new stuff on there all the time.
It's amazing.
Leslie, you the man.
Try watching my Mark Richardson movie.
Hey, anything else, Leslie?
I certainly will.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Anything else before you go?
Just one thing.
You heard about the two people when they were earthquake last Saturday, they were found, right?
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, very interesting.
Very weird timing.
You're welcome.
No, actually, I got a bunch of email about that last night, and what was funny was, for some reason, that didn't really hit the mainstream media, but everybody else talked about the reports coming in from the USGS about the 2.8.
Yeah, right off the coast, right there.
Really?
So, yeah.
Alright, well, maybe you should be looking at the 8.0, Alaska just had a large fire, and wondering why LA isn't having huge earthquakes right now.
Do you think maybe they're messing with the earthquakes?
Well, maybe a little.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And New Zealand's getting 6.9ers, you know, one right after the other.
So that's the top of the Ring of Fire and the bottom of the Ring of Fire.
And yet, the coast of California is just like as quiet as a sleeping baby.
We had like one for something or whatever.
Yeah.
We're in synonymous.
Yeah, we're right.
Seriously.
You know, do you think that maybe they're protecting California?
Well, it's a weird thought.
Well, look at, you know, would you buy a house in Santiago, Chile right now?
You know what I'm saying?
Let me just say, have you ever noticed that...
Long Beach, out in, you know, I don't know if people know Long Beach, but it's not, I don't mean Long Beach, but I mean Long, there's a beach called Long Beach or something.
Anyway, it's up near Zuma, and all the houses now, they have sandbags and they have boulders.
They had to bring in the boulders.
Basically, the beach is gone.
It's gone.
Why?
Because the tide, the level, it's like the beaches are disappearing.
Have you noticed that?
I have totally noticed it.
Yeah.
I mean, that's intense.
Yeah.
We used to, about 10 years ago, we lived down in Venice.
We lived there for about a year, year and a half.
In that year, year and a half, you could totally tell that the water had come in, that the beach was just smaller.
Yeah.
But if you live there over...
I remember Venice Beach and Santa Monica Beach in the mid-80s.
That thing lasted forever.
That beach went out.
It seemed like there was two miles of sand that it went out the length of the pier.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Really?
Really?
It's not that big now, I can tell you that.
It's not the same.
Where I grew up in Lake Michigan...
Off of the coast right there in Chicago.
And Leslie, I don't know if you're familiar with that, but Lake Michigan, my house was on the lake.
So, what did I do when I grew up?
That's where we lived.
So, during the winter, frozen, snow.
During the summer, beach, swimming.
I watched that over a five to ten year period shrink From a huge beach to nothing where the water was like all the way up to the rocks.
There was no beach.
There was no sand anymore.
Totally changed.
Hey Leslie, we've got a couple more calls coming in.
Don't be a stranger.
I know you do, man.
And I'll talk to you tomorrow night.
Thank you, Leslie.
Go hang out with your peeps now.
They're all excited.
I'll talk to you, man.
Thank you, Leslie.
All right, thank you.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, it's really true.
The sea levels have totally changed.
Yeah, it's very interesting.
You know, and it's just a tragedy because I'm sort of, you know, prejudiced for Southern California and the beaches and the whole thing.
And, you know, I hate to see them disappear.
So, when you were talking about buying land in San Diego, Chile, hey, what about Malibu?
I mean, do you really want to have one of those houses?
Yeah.
What is next?
If the beach is right at your door, I mean the water is right at your door right now when that's low tide, what are they going to do?
Well, where we lived, and you know the area well, we lived right on the beach, on what do they call that front walk, speedway, you know, right there, but the ocean front walk.
So we lived right there where the Washington Pier is.
Washington Boulevard where the pier is.
And when you stand up there, this is the trippy thing.
You stand there and you look at the Pacific Ocean and you turn around and you look at the houses and you can tell the sea level and you're thinking to yourself, any wave, any baby tsunami comes rolling in, they're screwed.
I mean, The water's going to go all the way to downtown LA. There's nothing stopping anything.
That's right.
You know, Malibu, well, it used to be everything was on a hill.
You know, everything was up on stilts.
It's not that kind of party out there anymore.
You can tell.
You can tell that the water levels have changed.
Yes.
And those $20 million homes, you know, yeah.
I'd rather live on the other side of PCH, that's for sure.
I'd rather be up in the hills.
I laid on the beach out there, and I actually met Sylvester Stallone.
The beach is gone.
It's a bummer.
Right, right?
Well, when you look at these photographs that we have of Point Dune and The Rock, we have a bunch of photographs behind the lifeguard station.
Look at the old movies from the 50s.
You check out those old movies of the 50s of Point Dune, there's tons of sand!
It keeps going!
No, not now.
The water's up on that rock.
That's right.
Hi, you're live with Carrie.
Who's calling?
This is Charles, Tennessee.
I was calling to find out what Jerry thinks about Flight 360.
Oh, 370. - You are at 370, I mean, yeah.
It has really completely fallen off the radar.
Yes, absolutely.
And I don't think that the people that passed and the patent reverted to the Rothschild, I don't think that's, you know, I think that is just a cover story.
like they need any more money or power, they could just take the patent if they wanted to.
And living in a world where patents mean nothing.
I still believe it's a black hole.
I believe that the CERN did something, an accident happened on the CERN, and I think that's the reason we're having a lot of the dominance we're having here.
Well, you know what, Charles?
I'm going to let Kerry answer that.
I'm glad that we're getting to 370.
Thank you for that, and call back, and we'll talk about this right now.
I've got a few points on this, too, as well.
Thank you, Charles.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for the questions.
Thank you, Charles.
So yeah, what do you think about 370?
Let's see.
Let's go.
Let's go.
There's a rabbit hole here.
It's bottomless.
So let's go feet first.
Well, first of all, let me see on my website.
That is projectcamelot.org for the people that think we ended four years ago.
And it's been alive and well for quite a while here.
Anyway, I have to say that I have two interviews with David Hawkins and, oh God, McConnell.
I forget his first name.
Oh, the captain.
Yes.
Yes.
And the bottom line is, you know, and they did a great, you know, bit of research.
They call themselves, what do they call it?
Able Danger, they call themselves.
So I have two live stream interviews.
And by the way, we do also have video interviews on our Camelot live stream channel.
And I just did one today, as a matter of fact, on the John Mack movie that she's trying to raise money for, the producer.
But aside from that, in terms of 370, the information is that there was, first of all, there were almost 20 of the free-scale employees on there.
They don't put all their employees on one flight unless there's a good reason for it.
There are so many sides to this story, and some of them are in those interviews that I did.
I've written articles about it.
By the way, I write quite a few articles on Project Hamlet, so you can also read the articles and get up to speed.
But let me say this.
The basic thing is that everyone agrees, and all the evidence agrees, that this thing was redirected to Diego Garcia.
That it disappeared from there.
That there was communication.
Let me stop you right there.
Because that's fine.
And I think we've all come to that conclusion.
So if it has gone to Diego Garcia, then that means we take all of the other theories off the table, such as...
It was hijacked and flown to Afghanistan.
Alien abduction.
Pilot suicide.
A fire was set by terrorists on board.
A secret weapon or test drone.
The Asian Bermuda Triangle.
We've got to throw that in there.
Illuminati using it to start World War III. Big, big story on the net.
That's what they used it for.
It didn't happen.
Or black hole, time travel experiment.
It's on the table, and that's what Charles just brought up.
Self-technology.
I mean, come on.
They redirected.
There's ample evidence.
You'll hear the interviews that I did.
I mean, these people, pilots are suing Boeing because of this auto-direct issue.
You know, this ability to redirect a plane.
Remote takeover of the plane.
Yeah, but it's not only that.
I mean, you know, there is an element because there is a television show called The Event in which the beginning of that show is the disappearance and reappearance of a jet.
Okay?
And it had all the people in it.
I don't know if you saw it, and it lands in, actually, they redirect it to Arizona.
It supposedly goes in kind of a vortex or a time travel tunnel.
But the bottom line is, in essence, this one never came out again.
Okay?
So we never found out where it went.
But Jim Stone, who is an ex-NSA, well, he's an NSA whistleblower who's down in Mexico, also reported on this.
And he says, you know, look, First of all, the evidence is that some of those people on the plane were what we call super-users, and that they may have been basically taken offline to control them and brought into the underground base.
That's one of the good theories out there, in my opinion.
But back to your point that you originally made.
Your people are telling you, Diego Garcia.
Oh, yeah.
Plane has landed, and then that's where it's at.
I'm with you.
No, we had more than one verification.
Right, right.
Again, we're triangulating information.
That's what you're looking for.
You're basically looking for three unrelated sources that are coming to the same conclusion.
That was just the beginning or the tip of the iceberg, if you will.
The evidence seemed to be that they also didn't want it to reach China.
I mean, you kind of have to use your logical mind when you're looking at evidence, right?
So it's flying from a certain point to China, and it never arrives.
That's key, because someone didn't want that plane with the people on it, the particular people on it, to reach mainland China, okay?
So there is a free-scale, actually, company, They have an office in China, supposedly.
Yeah, a manufacturing facility, and that's why everybody was...
And Michelle Obama had flown into the same vicinity at the same time, appeared to possibly have been negotiating behind the scenes with the Chinese.
the evidence is that Freescale has a very active part of their division.
And Mike Harris was right on this, by the way, because Mike Harris is, I guess people know, he's the radio talk show host.
He is also a person who used to work for Motorola, and Freescale was a division of Motorola.
And you have to keep in mind that Freescale has an Israeli office.
So the division of Freescale, by some weird coincidence, was something that Mike had gone sort of mano-mano with against the Rothschilds to buy that particular division all those years ago.
Now, he received a phone call.
Let me finish.
No, I just want to say it because it's important.
No, I'm just saying it because he received a phone call telling him to shut up after he came on my show.
And I have a live stream interview with him right during that time when this was a hot story, still on Camelot, still on live stream, with Mike Harris.
That's said to be one of the most important interviews done during that time.
The bottom line is he was called by a certain individual from the CIA and told to shut up.
Okay?
Now, they don't tell somebody, they don't make a phone call like that unless they are pushed to the wall, you know what I mean?
Because they like to sort of stay behind the scenes and sort of threaten you in a covert way, you know, ruin your technology or whatever it is.
But in this case, they actually phoned him and said, no more.
Don't say another word.
He knew too much.
Well, Jim Stone, oddly enough, was getting ready to come on this show.
And I get this email from him.
Jim, I hope you don't mind, but I'm not going to say everything.
But he was like, Jimmy, I had to leave my house today.
They are here.
I have 10 minutes to communicate with you, and then that's it, and I'll be in touch.
And I was like, what the...
That wasn't all of it, but he shot off an email to me as quick as he could.
I'm like, what is he talking about?
He shoots me another email.
I'll post a message on my website.
I have to go now.
I have to leave.
This is from Mexico, right?
That's right.
Yeah.
And there was more to it than that, Jim.
I'm not going to get into the details.
I will protect that part of it.
So, I get another message on the internet.
And it was all about MH370. And he got found out.
They found his location.
I don't want to get into any more details.
But I haven't heard from him since.
Yeah.
When was the last time you talked to him?
Well, I tried to get in touch with him.
I think it was a bit before the whole...
It's been about a month since I've talked to him.
I had some back and forth with him and another person that runs interference for him.
For some reason he said he couldn't even do a Camelot interview.
He couldn't even connect.
No, he said the same thing to me.
Well, anyway, you know what?
He's in a tough spot.
We should actually get home.
Let me tell you one of the reasons why.
Because this much was on his site and was public knowledge.
I think it went on another show, I can't remember where, where he actually said, you know what?
Everyone says, what happened to the rest of the people?
If those guys were super users, if they were brought underground, if, you know, the one techie who supposedly had his iPhone and so on and so forth.
Right.
What happened to the rest of the people?
They were, according to Jim Stone, when he worked at the NSA, they were collateral damage.
They are released in countries, third world countries, big cities.
And for the rest of their lives, they're going to be shot up with drugs.
They're going to wander around aimlessly.
They're not going to remember their names.
They're not going to remember anything.
And they're going to have a watcher.
And basically that's what happens to them.
And supposedly that's considered Kind treatment vis-a-vis not killing them.
That's what he said.
I've never heard that scenario.
I've been in this business now 24-7 for eight and a half years.
Many, many whistleblowers.
That was fascinating to me because I have to say, when you hear something unique, it's hard to come up with something unique in this world at this time.
I'm sorry, it just is.
And that was unique.
That was a scenario I had not heard.
Right.
So that gave it credence for me, and then he had to disappear.
Right, right.
Did you hear about what happened to Jordan Maxwell?
Yes.
And let me say that Jordan Maxwell has contacted me.
I should be seeing him in the near future.
He's coming up.
I'm not going to go into detail here because he's had enough trouble.
Right.
But let me say, wonderful guy, and...
The bottom line is he had this fire, burned everything, apparently, that he had.
So-called fire happened in Panama, apparently, in a warehouse.
I mean, you know, hello, you know, I'm sorry, what military is in control of Panama?
Well, I used to live there, you know that.
No, I didn't know that.
Oh, wow.
Okay, what is that?
It's a tattoo that says Panama.
Oh, does it?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, you didn't know that?
How did you do that?
How did I know that?
I mean, he was staying at my place.
You're kidding.
No, I'm kidding.
But I was shocked when...
We were out to dinner the other day with one of his close friends.
Okay.
And he had just talked to him and so...
I don't need to go into those details.
But he was comfortable down there and he was able to come on the show and he had a connection.
And I was like, okay, you know what?
Let's go ahead and do this.
We had been, not like you, but we had been in contact via email for a couple of weeks about getting him on the show.
But he had said, I'm down in Central America.
And then it was like two days later, boom, Jordan's house burns down.
And all of his belongings.
And I was in shock.
And I'm sorry.
I didn't hear it was his house.
I heard it was a warehouse.
That's what I had read.
But officially, that's what was released.
Okay, so I don't know.
But there are no coincidences, are there?
No, absolutely not.
I mean, you know, this has got to be...
He was trying to go off the reservation, so to speak.
I mean, he gets offers all the time.
Look, governments offer him sanctuary because they know this guy is a national treasure.
He has been hunted.
He has been threatened.
Multiple, multiple times.
He has a reason for his paranoia, if you want to call it that.
It's actually reasonable for a man like him to be paranoid.
And I can say that from experience.
Let me say that, though, I think he has a destiny.
I think he's going to survive all of this.
You know what?
It's all in his head.
I don't know if the Manly P. Hall stuff was in there.
I really hope not because Manly P. Hall supposedly gave him all of his leftover, you know, all of his books, all of his research, etc.
He just kind of bequeathed to Jordan, like handing the baton, you know, for his research to Jordan.
And so Jordan needs donations.
I'm working out with him to get you know like a PayPal or some kind of thing out there I don't know if you've been given it if you have let's tell it on the air I haven't gotten the information yet but we're going to put it on Camelot you know and obviously there will be a link to some kind of account that apparently hopefully he'll have control of and he'll be able to to get back how was he now and by the way your Jordan Maxwell interview that is some good stuff that's some good stuff
that's like four hours of that's that's good stuff And it's kind of funny because in the very beginning of the interview, I think he was getting his feet underneath him.
And then all of a sudden he let loose.
You know what I'm saying?
And you know what I'm talking about.
And he just got comfortable.
He got in the zone.
And you couldn't shut him up.
And that was four hours of good stuff.
I got a question from this email just came in.
So I'm going to throw this out there to you really quick.
Ask her if she noticed anything about Mark turning transparent.
I heard that he's in jail not only being set up but has some kind of weird phenomena from traveling through dimensions.
Is this true or more disinformation?
Can we say Mark?
Are you talking about Mark Richards?
This is all...
Yeah, Mark Richards.
Yes, yes, yes.
The Secret Space Program, Mark Richards.
No.
I mean, again, I actually need donations to make it to...
Oh, this is...
The Secret Space Program conference this weekend.
His wife's going to be there.
I'll ask her, but I can tell you that I'm scheduled now to go meet with him.
In a couple weeks.
So if you want to see me make that interview and absolutely go to...
I hate going inside those places.
You have to go inside this maximum security prison.
He's in a hospital, right?
No, he's in a hospital prison.
I thought he was in...
Isn't he in San Luis Obispo?
No, he's in Vacaville.
Oh, he's in Vacaville.
it's still a hospital prison isn't it or is he just he's locked up he's in general population kind of locked up wow absolutely Wow!
Now, I don't know where he's been, the ins and outs, over the years, but 30 years, he's been locked up.
I mean, he also, though, I can tell you, and this man is telling the truth.
I mean, look, you have it for me.
What can I tell you?
He's...
Got nothing to lose.
He's in prison.
Hello.
And he's been there for 30 years.
It's not like he's going to get out for good behavior tomorrow, although it'd be really nice.
I'd like to put that out there.
But the bottom line, he's treated like an officer, apparently, by the guards.
He is an officer.
He was a captain of the Navy.
His father was also an officer.
The bottom line is that I sat opposite him closer than I'm sitting to you right now, Jimmy, and we're sitting with two desks between us.
I sat just eye to eye with this guy for two hours, peppered him with questions.
He didn't blink an eye.
He didn't hesitate.
Every answer, he was right there just giving me the information.
Were you able to record it, or did you have to memorize it and write it down?
It's called Total Recall.
That's what was required.
I really did.
I mean, you know, I'm motivated, right?
And plus, I've been in this game for a long time.
I knew what I wanted to, you know, ask him.
I wanted to hear what he had to say.
I'm going to go back to see more, if I can get more.
I'm asking people you want to send in your questions.
I'll try to get, you know, I'll try to ask them if there's some unusual questions.
We'll try to get those out to him.
Bottom line, they won't even let me have a pencil.
I mean, it's crazy.
Now, if I was CNN, I think I could bring in maybe a camera or a recorder or something.
But I don't know.
Because I'm camera, I'm told that not even the media get to bring anything in.
It's crazy.
Obviously, you asked.
What did they say?
What was the answer?
Just no?
Or did they give you a reason?
No, they don't give you a reason.
I don't know.
You know, his...
Basically, I'm going through his wife, and then she deals with the prison authorities, and we just have to go through the door and be searched in all nine yards, and it's just kind of horrible that that's what you do.
Okay, I'm going to jump to a couple...
Where did the time go, you know?
A couple more of my favorites that I want to try to get into a little bit.
I do want to talk about John Lear.
You did a three or four-parter.
How many...
Well, I think we did one four-parter, one two-parter, or three-parter.
We've had a lot of interviews.
Right, and each one, the one that was done where he's got the black t-shirt on, that one?
Yeah, he's wearing a black t-shirt.
The second one?
It's the three-parter.
It's part one, part two, part three.
All right.
I don't know.
It's crazy.
It is.
It is.
It's nuts.
Yeah.
I mean, it was crazy.
I mean, he's an amazing guy, though.
Do you think...
I would like to have him on the show.
He's a very much requesting guest, and I know that we would have a lot of fun.
Yes.
But, I'm going to ask you this.
Do you think he's taken things a little...
Has he gone a little too far?
And you know where I'm going.
You mean the souls going from the moon?
Yes, yes, yes.
Do you think he's gone just a little bit too far?
Or does he really honestly know something that the rest of us don't?
Um...
Well, I think, first of all, I mean, even David Icke talks about this tower on the moon.
There does seem to be something with the greys and with humans that, you know, John might have it kind of wrong, but he may be kind of skirting something weird going on with the greys, interfering with the reincarnational, you know, sort of cycles of humans.
So that's about as far as I go with that.
The bottom line is, I mean, you know, look, it's always been my opinion.
John's father was MJ-12, you know.
So what does that make the son?
Thirteen.
See, look, this is the thing about John.
He has credentials and a CV longer than your arm.
Yes.
And these are confirmed, real deal.
There's no question about the gentleman's past and what he has done.
If he tells me a story about flying terrorists in and out of Algeria in 1969 on a 707, and he's got a nuclear bomb in the back, and he's got to bail out, and the plane has got to crash into the Indian...
It's a true story!
You know?
Okay, so that part of John...
You know, his history and what he has done and the world records and he's flown every plane since the Kitty Hawk, you know?
Yeah.
Now, so based on...
That's great.
So when he wants to tell...
Problems are!
You know, all of this stuff is real.
It really happened.
So...
Stay with that, John.
I don't need to know about Bigfoot on Mars, and I don't need to know about souls transferring into antennas when somebody dies.
All I'm saying is, it's good enough.
I know, but let me say this.
I'm not saying that Bob Dean hasn't gone quite over that area, but I can say that, and I saw Bob Dean recently.
How's he doing, by the way?
Is he good?
Well, he's, you know, he's ailing.
He's having a hard time a bit.
He's over, you know, he's over 80.
I think he maybe turned 85, if I recall.
Right.
Lovely guy.
Yeah, great guy.
Just the loveliest guy.
Great guy.
Both of these guys, these are the old guard.
These are our, you know, I don't know.
These are our godfathers, our grandfathers.
They're the, you know, they're the sort of salt of the earth, in a sense.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Give them a break because they are looking in the future.
They have grandchildren.
They have children.
They want to see something positive.
It's hard.
This is a hard world we're living in.
They're also looking for the more positive side of the story.
They've lived the sort of more negative side.
They've seen the secret space program.
From inside looking out.
No doubt.
No doubt about it.
They have the pressures on them.
They have the national security oaths and things that you don't even know they're signing.
Where they're going to lose their life or their family's going to lose their life or this or that.
You know what I'm saying?
So I just wish people would give people a little slack because they have earned the right to go down a road.
There's no question about that.
It's his brand of spirituality.
Who are we to...
Sure, sure.
I'm speaking for the people that listen to Bob and John.
When his last appearance on Coast to Coast, I'll just say this, his last appearance on Coast to Coast caused such a stir online because of his reputation and going back and the stories he has kept us captivated for years.
And you know that it's all true.
This is good stuff.
And then when you hear him come on Coast to Coast and stretch things a little bit, It bums us out.
And that's all.
And it caused a reaction across the internet.
And I certainly got emails and phone calls and everything.
Did you hear it last night?
Did you hear it?
Did you hear it?
Wow.
And that's all that I'm saying.
I think for all of us, you're right.
It could be an age thing.
I don't know.
But...
You know him best.
That's one of the things.
I mean, look, he believes it, okay?
Yes, he does.
He's done his investigations.
He's come across some information.
He's putting it out in the way that he knows how.
Look, it's going into a little bit different area, right?
Because you're crossing over this line.
It's one thing if you're going to talk about, I don't know.
The ETs and the black projects and the vendettas out there and the wars going on between the different sides and different craft and you name it, right?
Right.
And he is a researcher.
I mean, the man is an amazing researcher.
You've seen his library.
I love it.
I photographed his library.
Yes, yes.
So you have to understand that he's done this for years and years and years.
All I can say is he's putting two and two together.
He comes up with that addition.
That's where he went.
Now, is he being messed with in his old age?
Is his health problems that he's having right now the result of something else?
Is somebody sort of pushing a button and trying to get him to sort of move on out?
Yes.
This is the kind of thing, because these guys...
The longer they live, the less they feel they have to lose by telling the truth.
And all you have to do is give them a whiskey and they'll start spilling the beans.
You know, they don't want to put people in danger.
Look, I don't know.
You think he might be being, you know, because he is so honest and vocal and he's not afraid to speak his mind that possibly, you know, he's being fed something from a source that he deems credible?
Sure.
It's very possible.
Not just fed, but also...
I mean, mind control is real.
Yeah, sure.
See, the funny thing is that even the controllers get controlled.
This is where people kind of go off the deep end.
They don't really...
They're not looking back far enough to see who's controlling who and for how long.
And when somebody outlives their welcome experience, Even a member of MJ-12, even, you know, a member of our government, right?
They mess with them.
Look, they've done in two CIA chiefs.
I mean, their deaths were completely erroneous.
I mean, you know, and I'm no sympathizer for either of them, you know, William Casey and the other guy.
You know, these people, it's obvious, they were killed, you know?
This stuff is going on.
The funny thing is, and this is something I was talking to somebody else lately about, is that they turn on their own.
If you've been a member of their club and they decide that you've gone off the reservation one time too many, they actually have like a vendetta out after you.
Sure.
Vengeance.
They're a dark lot.
Do you think it's better?
That's such a great point.
To always stay on one side of the fence?
Well, I mean, is it always possible?
We wouldn't have whistleblowers if they didn't go on the other side.
Right, right.
Right.
They go on the other side, they live on the dark side for a certain number of years, they learn all their secrets, they cross over, they deliver what they've got to humanity, they pay a debt, and at that point they're sort of, what do you call that being, you know, it's like the burn notice.
Right.
They're just out on that periphery.
Jordan Maxwell is actually on that periphery.
Myself, I might be on that periphery, you know, at this moment.
I mean, you don't know when you're going to reach it.
You know what I mean?
Where you've sort of outlived your usefulness from their point of view.
Now, you need protectors.
That's what you need.
And you need to sort of have your wits about you.
Who knows?
But from my point of view, the game is also changing.
We have so many white hats now within the dark side.
And this is what really is changing sort of the equation.
We've got a lot of hidden help.
And thanks, guys.
And I know secrets about that that I can't say.
Okay.
I'm going to keep you for another five minutes if that's okay.
Well, you know what?
At this point, you might as well just roll to the credits.
Let's talk a little bit of time travel.
I do want to talk...
Have you been in touch with Dr.
Anderson, David Anderson?
Have you talked to him lately?
Not lately.
Do you think he's real?
Absolutely.
Do you have proof of that?
What's proof?
You know, I dealt with Peter Moon, and I had emails from Dr.
Anderson.
He was supposed to be appearing and was sort of all gung-ho to supposedly, a year ago, be a guest and speaker at my time travel conference.
Then all of a sudden he got cold feet and decided that he couldn't come to L.A. It was too dangerous.
And the next thing I heard was that his child...
He was involved in a sort of child welfare thing, involved with the UN, and that it wouldn't look good on his resume, his corporate resume, if he appeared at my conference.
And I even got signals that that was a bullshit reason.
I swore again.
Yeah, you did.
It wasn't as bad as the last one.
Alright, I'm sorry.
You promised him security and bodyguards too, didn't you?
Yes, yes.
And that wasn't enough to convince him?
No.
No.
I want him to be real.
I think it's a time traveler.
I know Peter Moon loves the guy, hung out with the guy, spent over in Romania.
There are plenty of people that will back him up.
He's been the most major influence in his life, their lives.
He has these amazing conferences overseas that go on for years.
I read all of that.
And he supports so many people.
And nobody...
He reminds me of Max Headroom.
Remember Max Headroom?
Oh, yeah.
That's David Anderson.
But I mentioned this a couple of months ago on the show.
Somebody wrote me and goes, man, I watched the David Anderson video.
You're absolutely right.
And it was Max Headroom.
But I want him to be real.
I want his research to be real.
And when you brought up the fact that he could be a time traveler, maybe that's why nobody can really pin him down.
I think there could be something to that.
I think he is.
Well, this is what I have issues with.
I think we all are.
But I think he is in sort of present day conscious of what he's doing.
Oh, did you hear Teeter's going to come back this year on my show?
Did you hear about that?
Who told you that?
I did.
Last week on this show.
Okay, well I'd have to talk to my source to find out if that was BS. No, his attorney.
Absolutely.
I hear you.
Yeah, I hear you.
He's coming back.
Next month, July, or November.
On this show.
But is he the guy that's in prison in Washington?
That's a whole other discussion.
Let's not open that up on this show.
Because I've got a whole report that I'm putting together on that.
Okay.
So before...
Oh, man.
Okay, here comes the email.
Yeah, that is something that we're working on.
I've got to rewind and...
Somebody just posted a picture of Max Headroom.
Is this who you're talking about?
But, yeah.
And Haber was on the show, Larry.
And he had just spoken to Kay, John's mom.
And it's going to be July or November.
You have to go back and listen to the show.
He was on with us for about an hour.
And we talked about a lot of different things.
But that was one of the, it's going to be 2014, July or November.
Did you ever get a hold of that source I told you about that has written a book?
yes and did you ever have him on your show he refused to come out really yes yeah you're talking about I'll say his name right now, Temporal Recon.
Yeah, Temporal.
Temporal, Temporal...
Temporal Recon, yes.
Temporal Shrimp.
No.
Temporal, Temporal.
Anyway, I talked to him for a while.
Did you?
And he...
I think he was nervous.
Really?
Yeah, he didn't want to come on the show.
I know he's been doing other stuff.
Yeah, but he's also been pressured by the government.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I've only had my communication with him back and forth about coming on the show, and there's a few mutual friends between us.
Oddly enough, I didn't bring you up.
I probably should have.
I had another friend that introduced us prior to you and I speaking the first time.
So anyway, long story short, I reached back out and Well, let me ask you this, because I know we have hardly any time, but I just have to broach this subject because you wanted to talk about time travel.
Have you heard my time travel story that came from a whistleblower who came forward for a short time?
It's all about the Nazi officers that are still living now today.
Yes, you and I talked about this briefly, okay?
You've got six minutes.
Okay, but...
It's a great story.
I was a young man, and he grew up in an aerospace family, and he basically had these anomalous things going on in his life, and ultimately what happens is he...
No, it's so involved.
I can't even go into all of it.
You've got to go to my Tom Travel conference on Project Camelite.
Scroll down to the bottom.
There's a banner there.
You can stream.
I think some of this is free on YouTube, but some of it you have to pay for.
It's like $7 or whatever.
But you need to hear my stories that I reiterate this guy's story.
I wanted him to appear at my conference.
He supposedly got a person to help him write a book, and I'm still waiting for him to get back in touch with me.
This story is, I think, the most explosive story that will ever hit.
In other words, it's very hard to find something new under the sun.
This story is the new thing.
And it's all about people like Mark Twain, people like You know, Max Egan or whatever his name is.
Whatever.
These Nazi officers that are still, now they're hiding in plain sight.
They have jobs.
They've been reduced aged.
So they're fairly young.
But they are here on the planet now.
They are operational.
And they have all the knowledge they had in the last lifetime.
And this person is supposed to be Verner Von Braun.
He's supposed to be, you know, basically, you know, him.
So he's...
He met him, and it's an incredible story.
I understand that, you know, Carol Rosen saw Verne von Braun die, and so on and so forth.
We don't know what really happened after they said, you know, he died.
So you've got to understand what's going on here.
We're talking about...
If you saw Fringe...
You're talking about going over to the other side, where he went to the other side, the opposite, what we call parallel earth, getting his son, the copy of his son, because his son died in this reality, bringing him back over to this side.
That's also what they appear to be doing.
This young man grew up in a family in which he was part of this club.
He was let in on the secret.
He called me because he thought I could put two and two together.
He wasn't getting enough information from the people around him to make sense of the whole story.
He knew he was onto something incredible.
There was no desire for fame, fortune, or any of that bullshit.
I mean, this guy was just incredibly candid, just very, very sort of soft-spoken, very, you know, very...
All I can tell you is at this point, after eight and a half years dealing with crazies, you name it, everything under the sun in Camelot, I know somebody in the same person when I talk to them and somebody who's not out for personal gain.
This guy had stumbled on something so incredible that it boggles the mind.
What are you going to do with it?
Well, I hope the guy's going to write a book.
I mean, I put as much as I knew out on that presentation At my time travel conference.
And that's an incredible conference.
So if you haven't listened to it or you haven't bought the...
You can either buy the DVDs.
It helps support Camelot.
And it took hours of sweat and blood to get all that stuff onto a DVD kind of sales thing and all this nonsense.
Or you can stream it for like five...
I think it's five dollars.
It is five dollars.
And some...
There's, you know, Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, one of our all-time whistleblowers.
He came out, talked about, you know, working on Mars, working side-by-side with ETs.
I mean, you know, this stuff is amazing.
The people tried to shut that conference down.
You wouldn't believe what they went through.
They actually drove my partner at the time, this guy who was going to partner on that conference with me, Crazy.
He went on the run.
The saga is so...
It stretches the mind.
And anyone who was following Camelot back in those days, which was a year ago, a little over actually a year and a half ago now, would have seen the saga because I published all the things that were happening on my blog.
You know, this is what's going on.
I mean, that's an amazing conference.
We have Preston Nichols.
He was talking to an artificial intelligence.
He has like, I mean, talk about a genius guy.
I mean, these people are amazing.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, Preston too, somebody else I've reached out to.
You helped me do that.
Still waiting.
I would love to get him on the show.
Not only for his...
Him and I have a lot of things in common.
Really?
Music, he's an inventor, you know, he's totally into audio, and he's focused on that, and he's into all of these fringe things too, and he has deep, deep knowledge.
Yes.
So I could sit and talk to him forever.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a guy, there's a poster right now, his name is Wooly Bully, says I say the word um too much.
Well, if you learn how to spell Wooly Bully, maybe I would say his name right.
Hey, it was amazing having you in.
And the time just went by.
Thank you very much.
And Project Hamelot is up and alive, everybody.
Everybody just relax.
You have no idea.
She got upset.
And she should, because you have a lot to be proud of there.
Hey, I'm working my ass off here.
If no one's paying attention, it's not that.
You're totally right.
It's just info.
I remember reading that a few years ago, and I'm like, holy crap, really?
Oh no, I need her.
And I had to go back and make sure that everything was up and alive and there.
It's important to all of us.
Actually, we're out of time.
If I don't roll credits right now and get this out of here, Keith is going to send me the text.
Oh, it just came in.
Roll it.
I got it, Keith.
It's all good, brother.
I'd like to thank Carrie Cassidy, Neil, for coming in tonight.
It's our night.
It is Patricia Corey, live from Rome, Italy.
Stay tuned.
Coming up next is Night Watch, followed by Spooky South Coast with Tim Weisberg.
Special thanks to Keith Rowland and Art Bell.
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Music is this guy right here, Doug Aldrich.
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