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PROJECT CAMELOT : LIVE AT THE UFO CONGRESS WITH MILES JOHNSTON & GUESTS

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Hamlet, and I'm here with Miles and Johnston.
	This is a delightful experience.
	Great to see you.
	Thank you.
	And we are here at the UFO Congress and broadcasting live.
	And this is a very experimental situation.
	I have no idea if this is working on my end or what.
	Here, to bring you in ticket to frame, if you don't mind, so we can have love with us.
	Okay, I'm just going to update it.
	Yeah.
	There you are.
	Can you see your little picture there?
	Yeah, I can see the little picture.
	Okay, so let me put this on so we've got a good recording.
	Alright, I think we're all going.
	And you're on?
	Okay.
	Hi.
	I'm...
	One more time.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here.
	We're going to be broadcasting live here from UFO Congress, and we've got Miles Johnston.
	Hello.
	Hello to you, and good to see you, Carrie.
	Nice to see you, Miles.
	Live in stereo and living color.
	We're also going to be on another link with...
	Golden Eagle, Tony Pasek, I think that's the term.
	We're on a wireless thing here and we're on a video wireless thing there.
	Okay, and we're going to back this up so we can get both of us on screen at the same time.
	And we've got the UFO Congress all around here.
	Yes.
	And we are at the foyer, the front of the Radisson Hotel on the 23rd The International UFO Congress is not a conference, it's a Congress.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Welcome to you.
	So we actually wanted to be on Revolution Radio, but they're not responding at the moment, so maybe we will be stopping halfway and Bringing them on board as well.
	There are a lot of people here, people that are going to be walking by.
	We've got Jaime Masson.
	We've got Mel Fabregas, a very well-known investigative reporter, journalist, broadcaster.
	He talks with a strange accent like I do, except his is stranger than mine.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And we've got cameras rolling and all kinds of computer equipment going here.
	And we have Barry King.
	Barry King's come in from the Basis Project and he's brought his plates with him, which you heard in the background.
	Because I remember when you interviewed Barry King, somebody conveniently started throwing plates and stuff in the background.
	Absolutely.
	Are you saying that Barry King is here with us?
	No, no, no.
	I was just joking because of your plates in the background.
	It's dark English humor.
	Okay, right.
	Which our camera crew understands, but maybe a lot of others don't.
	Because our camera crew is English.
	We've got Niara Isley walking by.
	Niara, would you want to be on camera for a brief moment and just say hello to everyone?
	We are broadcasting.
	We're just live and direct here, whoever walks and comes past.
	So I'm going to give you my seat for this moment.
	And we could be going on air live with David El Corso in a second, so we just keep on talking.
	Yeah, and people will know that I've interviewed Miara Isley in the past.
	And so have I, and so is your project.
	We need another chair.
	So, Miara, it's really wonderful to join us here at Project Camelot.
	I'm co-hosting Project Havelock for two seconds while Project Havelock finds a chair.
	This is called Live and it's very exciting in the sunshine here in the United States.
	Do we want to move those huge cacti over there?
	So this would be a good way to go.
	This way we can have more than one person on camera at a time.
	Okay, Tony and David, you're joining us live with Project Camelot and Neera Isley.
	We've just sat down and we're live with them.
	Kaji Kamala, does Kaji Kamala want to take over her show?
	Well, no, I just want to say welcome to Miara and thank you.
	Miara, why didn't you tell people what you've been up to lately?
	You came here.
	Were you a speaker at the conference here?
	Not this time.
	I was a speaker in 2010.
	And I have been kind of living under a rock, writing my book for a long time.
	It's finally done, Facing the Shadow, Embracing the Light, Journey of Spirit Retrieval and Awakening.
	It's about my military abduction experiences and much more.
	Because I couldn't really give people the horror of those experiences without also giving them the healing process and the fulfillment.
	Because today, I wouldn't trade a thing about my experiences or what I've been through because I'm so awake and so alive.
	I love it.
	Okay, the honor, that's fantastic.
	Because we're Now we're going to try and simulink with Tony and David.
	Can we hear anything from you guys?
	Absolutely loud and clear.
	Okay, we just keep talking and you need to join us whenever you can.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, I don't think we're broadcasting live quite yet.
	Broadcasting live.
	Spare radio.
	So we're on the air with you guys?
	Is that right?
	Yes, certainly.
	Okay, well this is ad hoc broadcasting on two stations at the same time while being recorded for Project Camelot.
	And as guests come and go, we'll just wing it and take it from there.
	When you go to a commercial break, you'll go and join us whenever you can.
	Is that okay?
	Yeah?
	Okay, wonderful.
	So, Niara, this is your opportunity to talk about what you want to do in the future, what's on your mind, what concerns you the most about what's going on in the UFO community, for example, or in the world at large.
	Well, since finishing the book, I kind of leapt off the diving board into looking at other things.
	One of the things that really...
	What is bugging me is this proliferation of pathological narcissism in all the hierarchical structures of our world, like government, military, religious hierarchies.
	And so I'm looking at the archon information because I've been a student of mythology my entire life.
	And so when somebody says to me that archons are mentioned in the Gnostic scriptures, then I know there's probably really something to that.
	I would really agree with that.
	I mean, we have Rosemary Ellen Giley here discussing the gin and this kind of material.
	And we've got Jaime, yes?
	Yes.
	Jaime.
	I need to go to the airport.
	I'll be back before two hours.
	Okay.
	Do you want to just say hello really briefly?
	If you just come around here together on the mic.
	Just say hello?
	Right here.
	No problem.
	Actually, I can actually lift this up.
	Jaime, you wanted to just talk to the computer here and see your face on the computer.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you for inviting me.
	I'll be back with you.
	And I hope you enjoy the presentation I will have tomorrow.
	There are so many things to talk.
	So many things happening.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's Jaime Masson, a very world-renowned filmmaker and journalist.
	He has brought the world of UFOs, really, to people at large with his incredible filmmaking.
	Just an amazing journalist.
	It's good to see him also in I think what you're saying about those entities is that a lot of people are looking up for ETs up in the skies without actually figuring out really who's on the earth in the first place.
	And when we're dealing with the kind of mythology that you're dealing with which has been written out of all our Christo-Judaic We need to find out about this a lot more to see really what's on the Earth first before we start thinking about what's up in the skies.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, you know, the Archons, from what I've been able to gather, are these extra-dimensional entities that are created beings, you know, so they're non-organic from what I understand.
	And they I think they're jealous of human beings because we're eternal.
	I mean, this is just a suit that we wear and we move on.
	I would caution that the suit that you're talking about is a rather important suit because it gives you access to certain things.
	And John Urban who I've just interviewed with Sean Stone three weeks ago now has revealed certain information to Sean about how critical that suit is.
	Yes, it is.
	And our access to that suit It's going to be restricted terminally if we don't get things sorted out.
	Well, this is actually spun into form every minute of every day from our chakra system, from the universal field.
	So this is actually very important stuff.
	It's not just a skin suit.
	For me, I actually really sense the telepathic messages.
	They come in first as energy that hits my body, and then it translates to English in my mind.
	Right, so you've got sort of an antenna going on here.
	Human beings are definitely what we say receivers and broadcasters by nature.
	So the skin, the hair, the eyes, these are all our senses that access the various dimensions and so on.
	But what you've just said, the way it's spun into being, means that when we leave the biogenic field or whatever you want to call whatever the earth is, that doesn't work anymore.
	Right.
	Which is a problem for space travel.
	Yeah, I think consciousness is really the origin of spin.
	I know Nassim Harriman has been investigating the origin of spin.
	Yes.
	But to me, it's consciousness itself that's animating this body and creating the spin and the chakras to create and sustain this body.
	Absolutely.
	So this is an area of research for you at this time?
	It is.
	I could dabble in all kinds of areas of the UFO field, but I really want to zero in and make this planet a place where people can be free and happy and healthy.
	That is my one goal.
	Let's do that.
	So I'm developing a class that I hope to teach on resonance, dissonance, and discernment where I use musical examples to illustrate what's resonant and how it feels in the body and what's dissonant, untrue,
	and how that feels in the body and get people to really understand these principles of resonance, dissonance, and then using that for discernment When they're assessing incoming information, whether it's channeled, whether it's from the government or the media or from anybody, It's going to land in the body as truth if people know how that feels.
	Yes.
	I think that's a beautiful, beautiful way of approaching it.
	I think we've just got Revolution Radio online, I think.
	Okay.
	But I think what you've just said there...
	Let's see if that actually works.
	...is probably one of the most important keys to discerning how we can purge non-resonant toxic...
	Intelligences which try to mask and hide themselves amongst us which is a way to, shall we say, shake them out of the wash.
	And there's got to be a way to work with this arconic stuff too through vibration and frequency because I was watching a wine glass on a YouTube video And it was being subjected to sound frequencies and it shattered.
	And that's really it.
	So if you hold a particular vibration and you really hold it in a pure, strong way, then you're going to repel those arconic energies away from you because they're not going to be able to tolerate from their vibration being next to yours.
	Because it's just not going to be...
	Okay, we're back with Revolution Radio.
	Okay, so we are broadcasting on Revolution at this time as well.
	Sorry, we're just giving some instructions here.
	We're also on Revolution Radio.
	We're with Tony and David.
	We've got Maria, sorry.
	We're going multidimensional.
	We're going multidimensional and we're live from...
	Live on livestream, broadcasting live from the whole world.
	From the 23rd International UFO Congress in Phoenix.
	And I think by the time you've actually told everybody how many places we're going, we'll finish the show.
	So anyway, we're here and as things come and go and different people end up going to break and things like that, we'll see what's happening.
	Okay, has Revolution Radio dropped off?
	But anyway, okay.
	We'll see.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to continue in this vein.
	So, Niara, we don't want to keep you too long, but if you have any other things that you'd like to say, maybe give your website, your book, anything of that nature.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The title of the book, again, is Facing the Shadow, Embracing the Light, A Journey of Spirit Retrieval and Awakening.
	I purposely did not put UFO or ET in the title because I'm hoping to bring in a whole new demographic to this field.
	That is very important.
	And the book will really appeal to people who are into personal and spiritual growth.
	And the other thing that I think is really important is to mention that the law of attraction, according to what I've discovered, Our consciousness has been managed by these other entities for a very long time programming us to think and create through our consciousness a version of reality that works for them and keeps us subject to them.
	And so we have to pull out of all the indoctrination and there's a big huge chapter in my book that really begins to reveal all the indoctrination at all the levels.
	So my website is Facing the Shadow Embracing the Light, and that's an educational website where I'll be putting out more information and more research as I come up with it.
	And then I have EncountersWithHealing.com, which is a website that's going to be devoted to trauma recovery for experiencers.
	And working with them to help them be whole again.
	Okay, wonderful.
	Thank you so much.
	I really appreciate it.
	Well, it's very nice that we caught you right as you were walking out the door.
	I refer to that as reality management, the reality management system, where it's an infrastructure which our consciousness has managed to construct Not for our benefit, but for others.
	Right, for the benefit of others, for sure.
	Excellent.
	Okay, well, Niara, you're welcome to stop by again if you happen to be browsing by or you're coming back.
	I don't know what your schedule is like.
	Now, you're not speaking here this time, but are you speaking at any upcoming conferences?
	I am.
	I'm going to be speaking on February 19th, just a few days from here, in Orange County, Mufon, in Southern California.
	So I'll be speaking there, and that'll be good, and I have more things coming up, you know.
	Yeah, we'll certainly move on to a heavy presence here at the UFO Congress.
	Alright, well, thank you very much.
	Thank you so much.
	And as we shuffle our chairs around here...
	Yeah, this is live and this is...
	Switching the camera around.
	And here's Miles.
	Yeah, well, I think what we just had there was a brilliant example of how somebody who's been Tortured, abused on behalf of the military complex at Area 52 or wherever, who's gone through trauma, who's gone through hell, and she's found the light, worked her way through, and she's producing some of the most magnificent and important solutions to this problem.
	But it's certainly something I'm very aware of is that we can scare everybody by producing all these scare stories about aliens underneath or wherever, but not giving them a solution.
	Not a good idea.
	But that's an example of somebody who's worked out a solution to the problem.
	Absolutely.
	Well, Miles, you know, we haven't had a chance to introduce you to the audience here, and you may be well-known in certain circles, but I want to make sure that here on livestream, for one thing, and Revolution, if they've joined us, as well as for my broadcasts that may go on to YouTube after this, that we introduce who you are and a little bit about your background.
	Right.
	Well, I am the founding member of the Irish UFO Research Centre, and that was in the last century.
	Which was in the 1970s.
	We operated with the first UFO research group in Ireland.
	And some of my colleagues also got involved with that.
	And that was our premier.
	We published a thing called the Irish UFO News.
	And I appeared on BBC TV with my school uniform on.
	That's how long ago that was.
	And we got the awareness of UFOs and things jacked up into the public domain and the press and the Belfast Telegraph and things like that.
	And then that led directly into pirate radio.
	Oh, right.
	And the pirate radio thing I recorded was a thing called the Irish gear on pirate radio.
	And that was to do with an explosion of awareness which started in Ireland in the 1960s.
	Now, what happened in Belfast was, much to my surprise, there was a massive explosion of awareness and positive thinking and cooperation between all the various cultures, all happening in the 1960s, and they didn't like that, so they shut it down.
	And recent information about that is that some of the major players in that game were actually instituted by the controlling elite And much of what happened in that environment was completely not what it seemed to be.
	And I think it's probably best I leave it at that.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Are you saying, well, I mean, I don't want to just leave it at that.
	If you don't mind, I just want to go down that road.
	That's my get out, you see, because everything that happens after this is not my fault.
	Okay.
	Because in Ireland we never have arguments about things.
	Oh, yeah?
	You see?
	But you can ask that question, but I couldn't possibly ask that question.
	I see.
	Okay, well, no, I'm just curious, because looking at the bigger picture, because this gets into actually the UFO Congress that we're at today.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And I want to say that, let me just sort of turn this a little bit.
	So what I'm saying here is that there is evidence that this whole UFO situation is being managed as we speak.
	Very heavily managed.
	Yeah.
	Not in our favoring.
	Exactly.
	And I want to say that, you know, I appreciate that John Rau is putting on this conference.
	I'm sure he goes to a lot of trouble every year to do so.
	But it's actually about 10 years, maybe even more, maybe more like 20 years behind the times of In its focus.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And this is a way of steering the minds.
	In theory, this is like a beginner's conference, I'm sorry to say.
	There's actually a poster that's the main poster.
	Yeah, and I'm going to let you finish in just one second here.
	There's a poster that actually says...
	Are we alone?
	What it used to say is, we are not alone.
	Now we've gone backwards in time here, and they're having panel discussions about whether ET even exists.
	Unbelievable that we are back.
	So back in the history of Ireland, you're saying back in the time of pirate radio, are you saying that the message was being managed even back then?
	Well, let's put it this way, just to sort of rejig ourselves slightly, in the United Kingdom, there's only one source of popular music in news, it's called the BBC. Right.
	Okay?
	Now, the point about it is that a lot of people miss this, but people within these radio stations had a drive.
	Let's put it this way, in 1963, in order for you to hear a different form of music, you had to get on a ship.
	Steam it into the Irish Sea or the North Sea and switch on a transmitter.
	That was the only other way you got access to the airwaves.
	Now we've got access to the airwaves by doing little things like this, even though this has got Big Brother watching.
	And maybe they're only breaking the link so you get a better quality link with us.
	You might find the bandwidth that goes up or the bandwidth can go down.
	Your shares can go up.
	But the point about it is that the drive behind where Radio Caroline was created It was an ET source.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Where Radio Caroline, which goes back to 1963, or maybe it was 64, they came on the air, And it's called Radio Caroline after President Kennedy's daughter, Caroline.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	That's the history of Caroline, basically, in a nutshell.
	Now, Caroline stayed on the air right through to the late 1980s, and it was the last thing Mrs.
	Thatcher did was to have it raided.
	And Radio Caroline was too dangerous to raid by the British, so they got the Dutch to do it.
	Wow.
	And there was something they were scared of about Radio Caroline.
	But in a nutshell, the legislation against commercial pirate radio in the United Kingdom is so draconian.
	The penalties are worse than if you smuggled guns or drugs, okay?
	So there's something in those free thought radio stations that scares living hell out of the authorities in England.
	So what happened was in the 1960s, The awareness was exploding.
	This is all in a book by Terry Hooley, who's a local folk hero in Belfast.
	He was a record producer of Good Vibrations Records.
	He produced The Undertones with My Perfect Cousin and that band.
	He did a lot of stuff.
	He also broadcast pirate radio out of my bedroom in Belfast while I went to the BBC club and sang Pints of Guinness because there's no way I had anything to do with this broadcast.
	So we were doing that way back in the 80s, but the point about Terry Hooley's book is it's got a social record of an amazing expansion of consciousness in Belfast, and then that happy shutdown out of a shutdown with the reinvention of the Troubles.
	So the main players in that were illuminati control elements, okay?
	And one of the clues to this There's a recent photograph of the leader of one of those players with Her Majesty the Queen who's paid a lot of visits to Ireland recently.
	Now the clue to this is how good those two players really get on with each other.
	I mean, really get on with each other.
	And my suspicions were aroused that those two know each other rather too well.
	Now the point about this is, if they were as they said they were, there's no way that, whoever took that photograph, it's the front page of the local papers, It was revealing a rather serious secret that the main players in the Republic of movements in Ireland were in fact being run by the Illuminati.
	I don't want to use the term British because that triggers too many people but people have got to realize in Ireland that they have been well played for a long time and a colleague of mine Andrew Power wrote a book called Ireland, Land of the Pharaohs, and he discusses the whole Matrix reality of all this.
	And Michael Tasarian borrowed quite a lot of the information.
	Oh really?
	Okay, fascinating.
	Well, shall we say, Andrew Power has got a few opinions about Michael, but he is credited in Michael's work, to be fair.
	Right, so we have a person who popularized, you're saying Powers book.
	Powers book, he only published about a thousand of them.
	It's now available online, but the crucial link is made between the emergence of civilization after the last catastrophe from what the islands of Off the coast of Europe, which at that time, we're not...
	I mean, Ireland was still together at that time.
	But without going into the dark, deep history, the point is that we were re-civilized from the West and from Egypt.
	And there's a connection between Egypt and the ancient civilizations which were hit by the last catastrophe and how we re-civilized.
	And that's why these so-called Genetic connections with Ireland, or the so-called Irish, because the Irish refers to the Aryans, those who have the higher knowledge, not blue-eyed blonde, that's a corruption of the recent history of the last century, but that's why the Irish situation had to be clamped down and the consciousness not allowed to emerge.
	So when they started to reawaken in the 1960s, that had to be hit hard.
	But what happened in the South was those pirate stations emerged, there was a huge emergence of consciousness.
	That's right.
	And effectively, the church, the so-called church, or the mind control of so-called religion from the Roman Empire, which is still running today, was given a big kick in the ass in the 19th and before recently.
	So that's what the pirate stations were about, and that's what my history is, and that's why I'm called Megawatts.
	Because I put on 1.2 million watts of unlicensed power on the Irish border into Belfast and was let play with that toy.
	And then we did it again with Energy 106 and my colleague right through to 2005 and my colleague was abducted four times and that's when the scuttlers came in.
	The scuttlers are intelligent hyperspatial devices which were in the transmitters.
	And spinning right forward in the present day, my involvement with the People's Voice, David Icke's TV station, some of the people in there who were computer network specialists were aware of Scutlers.
	Oh really?
	So they're aware of them in the domain of intelligence and thought information.
	Okay, well, we need to define scuttlers.
	So that's a long string of stuff I've put together.
	But we need to define scuttlers so that people understand what you're talking about.
	I have actually seen these as well.
	And in a sense, I would call it the spiders that run the matrix.
	They run along the walls of the matrix.
	Essentially, they're like big spiders by the size of my hand.
	And in case you can only see this on wireless...
	But they're electronic spiders or something.
	Electromagnetic or...?
	Well, the thing...
	One of the things...
	Tom Bearden...
	I'm a great fan of Tom Bearden.
	Yes.
	Tom Bearden and I used to have very long listens.
	You would have a couple of words at the start of the conversation and a couple of words at the end of the conversation and maybe about 40 minutes in between.
	But Tom is a great...
	He explains...
	How the basic mathematics, the basic science behind what we call electromagnetic phenomena, the science, the physics of what we used in the 1800s and the 1900s and the 2000s, there's a big chunk of that science missing from the textbooks and that science allows you to engineer, directly engineer reality and directly engineer in the, shall we call it, the hyperspatial domain.
	Okay.
	So if you have access to technology which can engineer things in a hyperspatial domain, And I'm not using probably the correct terms when I say hyperspatial, but shall we say what most people would term as the non-real domain.
	Okay.
	But equally physical.
	Right.
	It's there, right?
	But you just can't quite see it.
	Yeah, I mean...
	That's what scuttlers are.
	Okay, but I wonder if they go into the hyperdimension.
	Yes.
	Because Richard Hoagland, you know, talks about hyperdimensional physics.
	Now, I've never heard Richard Hoagland use the term hyperdimensional before.
	Yes.
	I think he goes a bit hyper when he goes hyper.
	Okay.
	Okay, I know this is English humor, so you're losing.
	Sorry, dark English, Irish humor here.
	Okay.
	But the bottom line here is that I believe, you know, he talks about this in regard to the face on Mars, the 19.5, you know, we're talking about...
	Which just happened to be the degrees that Sky Television transmitted on, on the Astro Satellite.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, these are not accidents.
	Not accidents.
	Sky TV being Rupert Murdoch's station, which he was chosen to do that.
	Well, that's an interesting phraseology.
	Can I ask you, why do you say he was chosen?
	Do you know something about who chose him and why he was chosen?
	Well, way back in the days when I decided to get TV started from the Irish Pirates, I asked Chris Carey if he did Radio Nova.
	And Radio Nova was the land-based version of Radio Caroline.
	And it was allowed to be set up in Dublin.
	And they pumped out AM radio with a 50,000 watt transmitter, which was beat up about 80,000 watts.
	And they broadcast into the British Isles and kicked ass on the AM band in the 1980s.
	But Chris Carey was a sort of, and the team of people involved with that were from Caroline, Radio Caroline.
	So the point about the Radio Caroline situation is it bred a whole team of experienced entrepreneurial people who engineered and pushed this higher awareness out in broadcasting.
	Okay, but where does Rupert Murdoch come into this scenario?
	Rupert Murdoch comes into it because I had personal discussions with the only other The first person in media who had the money to put multichannel television and radio on, and that was Maxwell.
	Robert Maxwell?
	Robert Maxwell.
	Fascinating story.
	So the idea was to do this from the Isle of Man, basically use the Isle of Man as a satellite and radio broadcast hub to pump Everything out across the British Isles and also do it on television on the satellite.
	But with the higher consciousness idea.
	With the higher consciousness, but he failed the higher consciousness threshold.
	So the only other solution to this was Murdoch.
	What do you mean he failed the higher consciousness threshold?
	You're talking about Maxwell.
	We're talking about Maxwell.
	In what way?
	It's an automatic shutdown switch.
	Because I'm an engineer, I'll talk in technical terms.
	Fair enough.
	As an automatic shutdown, if there's going to be a problem with anything at all that's going to cause a problem later on, it just won't work.
	They did kill him, right?
	Well, he was bumped off later on, or was he?
	But really, the point about that is he was buffed off pretty early on in the Sky situation.
	Now the thing about Murdoch was, if Murdoch...
	Murdoch's been the whipping boy in a lot of this.
	When I say whipping boy, it's an expression in higher English aristocratic society that rather than whipping the Lord so-and-so's son,
	who's actually stolen the apples, they bring on the whipping boy who is brought in because you obviously can't whip and discipline Lord so-and-so's son, but discipline must be seen to be administered.
	I see.
	So they have a boy who's from the village and he's kept in all the same clothes and everything else.
	He's privileged and everything else.
	So if Lord so-and-so's son does anything wrong, Bring on the whipping boy, you whip the hell out of the whipping boy.
	So you consider Murdoch...
	Murdoch's basically the whipping boy for the Illuminati.
	Interesting.
	That's a different take on him than I've heard.
	The focus is that the reason for this is that Murdoch was successfully bringing on...
	In other words, because Murdoch had the resources to do it, Murdoch's team was given a sort of intelligence transfer sequence special help However, if they screwed up on that, big time out, okay?
	Now the problem with the Sky televisions thing was, because I was at the start of Sky television, we just had the 25th anniversary launch, part of the launch team, last week, two weeks ago, to this conference.
	Right, but Sky is still owned by Murdoch, is it not?
	No, it's not.
	Sky essentially got diluted and taken over by British Satellite Broadcasting.
	About 18 months to two years after the Sky project got going.
	Oh, BSB. BSB. That's British Satellite Broadcasting.
	And to this day, it's British Sky Broadcasting.
	But the on-air title, the on-air name is...
	But in all but name, Sky was taken over.
	I see.
	And there were key elements of Radio Caroline involved with the launch and startup of Sky.
	And it's at that time that the toxic black energy was then brought in to Sky, to the extent that Sky's digital launch It was actually held at Battersea Power Station, the defunct power station that's in the middle of the centre of London, which is one of the most toxic black energy sites you can have in British broadcasting, because they use the electricity system.
	That's why they have to have a network of electrical power systems as a black energy source And that's when we discovered the grades we're using the electrical supply system as a means of getting access to people's homes.
	And if you talk to Tom Bearden, the use of scalar energy through the electrical grid into people's homes is another mechanism.
	In other words, it's a backdoor approach into your home, which is why they do not like people living off-grid.
	Oh, yeah.
	You can generate your own power, but you must be connected to the electrical supply system.
	Yeah, very, very good.
	Excellent.
	There's a whole different...
	Absolutely.
	And I will just say that I interviewed Pere Vila not long ago in Spain, who talks about the groundwater and how that's utilized in...
	in communication, in shutting down, in actually forcing people to live in certain areas of the city that are then easy to control via putting energetics into the groundwater that actually reverses the natural flow going the opposite direction and in actually forcing people to live in certain areas of the city that are then easy to control via putting energetics into the groundwater that
	And what they do is they then live where the healthy energetics are on the earth, where the groundwater is flowing well and connecting well.
	So they make sure that we're actually in very uncomfortable places most of the time.
	Now, a very interesting person which you may have heard of is called Maria Wheatley.
	Now, Maria Wheatley is the daughter of, I think, Dennis Wheatley.
	And she's a brilliant woman and she lives in Marlborough, the center where the crop circles are.
	Right.
	And I just had a chat with her on the Basis Project Update Number 9.
	About the Earth's deep water in the deep aquifers.
	The Earth generates its own water and it's the water which is pure and full of energy and where it emerges into the upper surface you have this spiralling effect of water and that's where our ancient ancestors found it got this healing water.
	Now the point is Miles, wasn't that called H3O? Yes, H3O2, I think.
	Yes.
	Or maybe H3O. Now, the point about this is, under pressure, this clean, energetic water from the living life of the Earth is now going to be contaminated by the fracking in England.
	Now, just having a laugh right now, England has been absolutely...
	You know, smashed with hurricane after hurricane after hurricane of storms.
	And they've been hitting the west of England.
	Okay.
	And they've been saturating, literally, the Somerset and Somerset levels and all this sort of area.
	But what's been happening is that's been hitting the aquifer.
	And up until about four or five days ago, the west of England was considered irrelevant.
	There's not enough people living there.
	We don't have money to save country and town.
	It was a beginning to separate country and town, basically making the country not a place to live.
	You have to live in the town.
	We don't have the resources to save you in the country, but we have the resources to save you in the town.
	Now, as a geologist pointed out on Radio 4, to the Broken Biscuit Company, I call that the BBC, the Broken Biscuit Company.
	They're all happy and larry as these people in the West, these horrible, nasty people over in the West.
	It's all happening over there, but as it was pointed out, the aquifer...
	It's going to be super saturated, and that's happened now.
	So all those energetic storms which have been hitting the west are now erupting in the aquifer, the Cartesian wells in London and the Thames Valley, and they're now under an emergency situation there.
	The point about that is that those storms coming in one after another, 200% rainfall in London alone, is an energetic attack on I'm part of the world.
	There's just been run up like a bunch of bowling balls, just running them all in.
	And in the middle of Wiltshire, I noticed the scalar energetics in the atmosphere.
	Well, certainly you can see the scalar in the chemtrails as well.
	And I have to say they're the worst in England than I've ever seen anywhere.
	I think when you came to Passing Clouds, run by the wonderful Eleanor.
	The wonderful Eleanor.
	Hello, Eleanor.
	After you finished your show, we had the most overwhelmingly ridiculous hello!
	Everyone came outside and it was just unbelievable.
	There were trails everywhere.
	And we took pictures.
	It was unbelievable.
	Well, you know, I was just in England over December and I think we were driving to the airport or somewhere and I mean, literally like reptilian scales in the clouds.
	I mean, just unbelievable.
	These are complex criss-crossing fields, like a herringbone pattern on a queen jacket.
	Yeah.
	And you can actually see that, this well-known natural phenomena of highly pulsed criss-cross fields, which are up in the clouds.
	And I recorded a little bit where...
	Yes, Tony?
	Yes, Tony.
	Okay, well...
	This activity was switched on and I was watching as we were having breakfast at Well Cottage, the famous Well Cottage beside the even more famous barge in the middle of crop circle country and I could see all this activity happening and once those force fields were switched off we had ice cold freezing fog descend in that whole area within minutes.
	So somebody was operating.
	I actually think That's what the British are doing.
	This is a massive military area where all that stuff is.
	A tropical country is in a major military area.
	What they're actually doing was trying to stop those storms being as bad as it could be.
	I think they were actually defending the UK from that.
	Which is why in some respects the British government has been doing that we can't do anything like this.
	But the point that Maria Wheatley is talking about is that the energetics, the positive energy of that deep water, is going to be attacked by the fracking.
	Yes.
	Because the one thing that they're attacking is the Earth's energy system itself.
	And one of the places where this is most evident is in Richmond Park, where the trees are energetically toxified And with a colleague of mine, we have the communication of the three energies.
	And this is also connecting with the child abuse and pedophilic abuse, where this is happening on energetic sites, where this abuse is happening to toxify the Earth with itself.
	The one thing that the Illuminati or the contaminated Illuminati has as an enemy is Earth's mother nature itself.
	Sure.
	That's Mother Nature itself.
	That makes sense.
	I have to say, I just want to say for the listeners, though, that what you're saying can be translated as happening here in the United States.
	There's plenty of fracking going on here.
	And in Europe, they're messing with these grids all the time.
	And elsewhere as well.
	So this is really kind of important.
	But this idea of...
	I've also heard...
	I've been actually to...
	Yeah, Tony?
	That was actually through Dave Horso at Willis Barrett Radio, so that happened there.
	We should be fine now.
	Okay, right.
	Okay, I was actually at Avery and when I went there, I felt ill immediately.
	And then what happens is I sort of have to do some kind of translation or whatever it is and then I'm able to go in further.
	And deal with the situation.
	But the ley lines, you know, the various lines, they say the Michael and Mary lines, these are all, have been turned toxic, actually.
	Yes.
	And there's a lot of, I'm not the only one, but there are a lot of people that are sensitives, what are called sensitives, more or less, who go into these places, even people that don't know they're sensitives, earth sensitives, who then take and transfigure These negative energies through their body, and then it comes out healthy again, and we actually work with the Earth in that way.
	So this can be reversed, but this is going on, absolutely.
	I think this is so important that, again, when Miara came down and said what she said, I think that is just on cue, and it's so important.
	The Earth's energy system itself is under attack.
	And it's under attack through the electric supply system, it's under attack through the radio frequency system.
	And this morning when I was talking to Rosemary Allen Guiley, the jinn themselves, the ancient non-physical entities and living life forms on the earth itself are being toxified by this.
	So we've got to sort of somehow work together.
	Yes.
	Because ultimately we're facing With John Irwin's data, I remember John Irwin, who sends great respects to me, Karen.
	He says, John Irwin will give me a hard time on Skype every day.
	Well, thank you very much, Niara, right on cue.
	Okay, let me just say, Niara just dropped off her book, so just putting that up there so people can see.
	Thank you very much.
	You're very welcome.
	We signed it for you, too.
	Oh, awesome.
	That's very sweet.
	Well, Carrie gets a signed copy, but I don't get a signed copy.
	Oh, well, you know.
	I've got to bring some more to the event.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's lovely.
	Thank you, sweet.
	Anyway, I just want to say, John Irwin, I've interviewed him, a member of the 16, and I think people should go back and watch that interview with him.
	I've also had him, we had him on a live stream.
	Trying to get this camera happening here.
	We had him on a live stream not too long ago, maybe a year ago or so.
	I'd love to have him back and to get an update from him on what he's doing.
	He is a brilliant man and something of a super soldier in reality.
	A real super soldier.
	Yeah, the real one.
	Not the pretend delusional kind.
	Okay, I'm not going to go too far down that road.
	But yes, anyway, I want to say hi, John, and would love to have you back and interview you again.
	Well, John has now been interviewed by Sean Stone for the purposes of making a film to get the final part of his story, which is so important, up there as a major, proper film director.
	So it can be translated in a way to ordinary people and not just on a YouTube thing so that people like David and I can nick it, whatever it is.
	Not that David and I can do a thing like that.
	Okay, I'm going to leave that comment alone.
	No, we're going to leave that potato very hot rolling down the hill.
	But the idea is that it's to a major, ordinary, everyday kind of folk get that message.
	What I want to do, though, is actually turn this around just a little bit and move into the present day, because we've been talking about what's going on, your whole history, how it leads up to Rupert Murdoch and how the broadcasting...
	It's all about mind control.
	It's all about controlling the population so that they don't become awakened, keeping them down.
	And I just want to say that in terms of this year of Congress, it is very troubling to see that there are certain elements going on here, certain managing elements, making sure that people here...
	Even newbies that come into the sector are not going to be really immersed the way that they could be.
	The potential for learning is great.
	Now this is not to fault the speakers at all because most speakers, I'm not going to say all, there are a couple speakers that are actually put in there purposely to keep the energetics down.
	And I'm not naming any names, but I am saying that it's very evident.
	And you'll be able to pick those people out if you were here.
	You can pick them out in a minute based on what they say.
	But it is important to know that this sector, what you call the UFO sort of...
	Higher consciousness sector.
	I was just at the Conscious Life Expo.
	They are managing perceptions, and they manage them by who they invite to speak, by limiting, by tilting, by causing a lot of competition between speakers, as at the Conscious Life where you put up one speaker against several others.
	They're all speaking at the same time.
	So people have to choose who to listen to.
	You know, these kinds of things.
	They're in competition with each other.
	And the speakers won't necessarily be aware of that.
	No, not at all.
	They've got no idea, most of them.
	And they're not at fault, but they are being used.
	And they're also steering by their choices as speakers.
	Because, believe me, there are so many incredible whistleblowers, as many people will know who follow Camelot, and I'm sure your work.
	Some very cutting-edge information, like you've been talking about right here, And I'm so happy that you brought these subjects up because it isn't going to be touched on at this conference at all.
	And certainly not the black goo.
	That's right.
	And that's a whole other land that we can get into.
	And for sure, you know, I have talked about that.
	I've interviewed David Griffin.
	David Griffin really is the researcher who, as one of the four co-members of the The now sort of Defunga Mash project thing.
	But David really did get in that information about the Falklands War.
	Yes.
	And about what it was really about.
	Or maybe it's what they found after they started the war.
	But the black goo is...
	And how the British got involved with it.
	And then really why all those...
	I mean, basically in the early 1980s there was a thing, just for people who don't know about the Falklands War, but basically the Falklands War is a British war in...
	The Malvinas, or the Faulkner Islands, and the Brits went down there to get back what was theirs, blah blah blah, and there was a bit of a war in the early 1980s.
	But the problem is that there was another island where they discovered, through a source which we believe is a contactee, That the Argentinians were working with blue-grey ETs in a strange black oil that could be manipulated using electricity.
	So from a logistics and weapons point of view, this is a really big find.
	They were working at it in very cold temperatures in Thule Islands, the southern Thule Islands.
	This is a Thule Island, a Thule Island in the northern hemisphere.
	This is obviously the southern hemisphere.
	But the point is, If you can control oil using transistor technology of some kind, you have the prospect of having immensely powerful hydraulic computer-based cyborg-type systems.
	If that was going to work, Well, it becomes black manna oil.
	And let me just say, because I know you have a lot on this subject, but I've also been researching this heavily and gotten some whistleblower testimony in this regard.
	So I just want to say a couple of footnotes here.
	One is that my interview with Mark Richards, he talks about actually having gone down there, being dealt with these raptors, Who are apparently at war with the reptilians, and this is something you may not have heard about.
	Are you talking about Jalan?
	Joanne is his wife.
	No, not that Joanne.
	No, I'm talking about Joanne Richards.
	I'd be talking about another Joanne.
	Oh, all right, no.
	But I can't say that.
	Okay, no, that would be a different one.
	That's English humor.
	Yeah, I appreciate that.
	I'm an Irishman.
	No, but what I wanted to say is that what happens is this nano oil, there is a death of the Marconi, because Marconi was a company that was very involved in the Falklands, and there are 25...
	It's documented.
	You can find it out there on the web.
	One place is Rents.com that talks about the Marconi scientists and documents the way they died, which is unbelievable.
	I have to say, there is an echo happening right now because we've got bankers dying here.
	I guess you've been hearing about the banker desks, right?
	No.
	No?
	But I've been too involved with my creative work there.
	Oh my, okay.
	Well, I have to say there are some echoes of what happened with the Marconi scientists.
	There's no doubt that these banker desks are being orchestrated.
	They are hits, and we get this from many back-channel sources, as well as I think it's becoming quite obvious.
	Irwin would call that the second degrees being taken on.
	Okay.
	And that's what he's trying to communicate with.
	The second degree is the other people who action and take the rap for what's going on.
	Fall guys.
	The fall guys.
	They become the fall guys.
	Literally, actually, some of them are jumping off buildings.
	One in particular off a building in London.
	37-year-old guy.
	He didn't even have access to get to the top of the building.
	They had to let him in to kill him, I guess.
	So this is the kind of thing we've got going on.
	But it does hark back.
	To the death of the 25 Marconi scientists.
	What they didn't realize was...
	The way that the American defense industry works is that you've got a lot of layers and people are brought into the super-secret side of things with an awful lot more personal, physical, mental insulation.
	They've got a better way of dealing with something which is really sensitive.
	And then they've got that resistance so they don't go bonkers.
	But the problem with the English They brought in a lot of really raw, recruit, brilliant new people from universities and things.
	They're just basically taken from ordinary society and effectively thrown into the super secret world.
	So they don't have the social insulation skills to deal with something which is too terrible for them to understand.
	So if they're going to start probing and tapping and Doing things to a living entity which controls you through thought and then can get into you.
	Well, that's the thing.
	It gets into there.
	There's evidence that actually it's a nano AI and it's linked to an AI. I mean, I think that this is part of the bigger picture here.
	But ultimately made them go crazy, but also made them commit suicide supposedly through the most bizarre ways imaginable.
	Well that's how the consciousness of the oil, the consciousness of the...
	If you're a living entity and somebody starts doing things to you, you're going to defend yourself.
	And it defended itself by killing or getting those who were attacking it.
	To self-terminate.
	And this is when we have to really, really take on board really what we're dealing with here in terms of an intelligent bio-sentient fluid.
	Right.
	Which another guy, the term sentient fluid is from a claimed alleged son of an MI6 agent called Alistair who we interviewed and he did a lot of work for the intelligence services simply as a young kid as a student.
	And he was exposed to the white brew syndrome in Switzerland and a place like that.
	But what happened was he was in Earl's Court.
	And this is where, in good old British style, the black goo didn't work.
	It didn't happen.
	It was a big disaster.
	So they just poured it down the drain.
	Oh, my God.
	So his story is that he got contaminated by this stuff, which came into his apartment in Earl's Court.
	And because of space in London, a lot of the basements are being modified for living, quarters.
	But his particular basement was rather too close to the sewer in London.
	And he was exposed to this goo in a gaseous form and breathed it in.
	And it took control of him.
	And when I was interviewing him, it seemed very clear I was dealing with another consciousness in there.
	I see.
	And it got into him, he was able to take this sort of spidery creature off him, get rid of it and it crawled away.
	These things always crawl away, don't they?
	They always throw them away.
	Well, this is horrible sounding.
	But I want to say that this also harks back to a couple things in X-Files.
	I know there was X-Files incidents in that TV show, like a precursor.
	The X-Files was really Barry King stuff.
	Was it?
	The X-Files came out after Barry King stuff started to come out.
	And it was simply rather uncanny.
	So you're saying Barry King talked about this...
	Yeah, very early on now.
	Okay.
	Well, I can tell you, the Gulf oil spill, though, is directly related to all of this.
	And this goo was eating the bottom of boats, they said.
	This is very important about the Falklands War, that the work that the blue ETs, or the blue, I don't like calling them ETs, really, this is one of the things which Irwin is saying, the greys, we made them in the past.
	Right, but there are many races of race, so this is where it gets confusing.
	The point was that they kept it cold.
	Right.
	They kept the black goo cold.
	So it didn't activate.
	It didn't activate.
	They're able to effectively operate on it in a much more dormant situation.
	Right.
	The thing about the Gulf oil thing is that they brought it up to normal temperatures.
	The thing about Alistair is that the goo is fascinated with designs.
	When it gets into your system or it's just sentient fluid, it absolutely wants complex designs.
	To explore all forms of really rapid patterns and systems.
	And it is changing.
	What he was describing was it is going to start...
	It's in the London Seerage System.
	It is developing colonies of new people who are going to be more enhanced and better thinking.
	I did point out to him that The ordinary people may not like this.
	And the way that his response was, was like a child who wasn't aware of this.
	And I thought, this might be dangerous.
	She might want to take care of this.
	But he's talking about New versions of enhanced humans based on the black goo in about 20 years.
	Well, actually, you know, I think that the military is probably now working in collusion with them, and I think the Brits were early on working with them.
	Now, this comes in with the 2045 agenda, which has a similar timescale, which is why I'm saying that we, you and I, we are the last generation of humans Who can, A, deal with this, educate, and maybe make contact with this in a positive way.
	We're dealing with the archons, the jinn, the consciousness of the black goo, the other ETs, and whatever is here to wipe us all out.
	Well, we're also talking, we're talking, bottom line, also about transhumanism.
	Yeah.
	So this is an important...
	Are they trying to communicate with us?
	Are we coming up to a break with you guys?
	That's okay, we could have a break, we don't mind.
	We are looking to see, and I do see that I've got a possible contact here at Lovelace.
	Well, that's a break right on cue.
	Is that for how many minutes?
	It's about three or four minutes.
	Dave, are you there?
	Okay, I'm letting, because Revolution Radio at my end wants to come on board.
	And I think that we should go out and maybe grab some passerbys, because there are a lot of interesting people at this conference.
	Do we want to get the time?
	I'm going to go offline here for a moment.
	We're going to get rebooted up and take a three, four minute break, and we'll be right back.
	Commercial break.
	Thank you for listening.
	We'll be back after the break.
	Okay.
	This is a whole network going on.
	We've got cameras.
	We've got two computers.
	Alright, okay, cool.
	Okay, I'm going to shut up.
	You just do your thing and I'll just run the strings out.
	We should be good to go.
	Okay, so we're here at the UFO Congress.
	This is part two of my broadcast, and we're going strong here.
	We're going to go for maybe another hour, and then have to shut down, because I have an appointment to get to later on.
	I've got a recording at 6 for thebasisproject.org.
	Okay.
	What I'm going to do is put Miles on here.
	And Miles, because I'm kind of giving you the ground here, so you can speak about other topics or other things that you might not have had a chance to cover yet.
	Because I know we're talking about the black goo.
	I'm not sure if we're kind of...
	I think we sort of introduced the black goo.
	I think the information that I have, and I know that you've got information obviously as well, and obviously David...
	David Griffin, let's make sure that we get here.
	David Griffin is exo-politics in the UK. I think he's still doing that.
	But David has been having some very major encounters with beings in what's called the Abduction Corridor in the middle of the Midlands of England.
	That's between southern Yorkshire and Lancashire.
	And he's asked me to record this with his...
	I think we've asked him to record this with my cameras, but the problem is anything that tries to record any of this stuff is shut down.
	Oh really?
	So we have to sort of see how this is happening.
	But I think it's very interesting that he's been getting real contact with other beings of some kind.
	Has he?
	Okay.
	Well, I've been trying to get back in touch with David for a while.
	He's always very difficult to get in contact.
	If he ever makes a Skype appointment, it'll never happen.
	Okay, well, because, you know, with his amazing research, it would be great to see, you know, I've gotten more whistleblower testimony along these lines.
	I'd like to sort of bounce it off him, see how he feels about that.
	I don't know if you've ever gotten into what's the sort of battles going on Underneath the Pacific?
	With the underground bases in the Pacific?
	No, I haven't.
	But the first idea that there was some kind of battle going on was with my friend, my other colleague, the crop circle researcher, a brilliant guy called Winston Keech.
	He lives not too far away from Simon Parks, up in northeast Yorkshire.
	And we, about three years ago, I think now, maybe two years ago, We noticed that there were a series of very deep, but not that deep, quakes, instantaneous releases of energy in England.
	Strictly England.
	So I think the first of these was in the Lake District, and the second of these was not too far away from underneath Filingdales, which is one of the super secret bases in England.
	And another one was in Cornwall, which we know there's some ET-type bases there, because we've had people photograph stuff going into a Royal Navy, a land-based Royal Navy base, and again in Kent, and we know there's some stuff going on down there.
	I think effectively, if you really want to get an underground look at England, it's practically riddled with ET-type facilities.
	Manchester is a major hub, and also the whole Lake District area is a major hub.
	Very interesting.
	In the northeast corner of England is basically the Cumbria area, the Lake District area.
	The entire coast is owned by the Ministry of Defence.
	And also it's where Britain has a lot of equal power stations.
	And it's also the zone which directly interfaces with Ireland, where there was no UFO activity there in the Carlingford Lock area, which is also the place where Radio Caroline was created.
	And nearby the good old mountains of Morne, the US lost a spy plane which ditched in a lake There in the 1950s.
	And that lake is so deep, they never recovered it.
	Because it goes way down into the underground.
	And I've heard stories about that as well.
	Yeah, that's for you.
	So, Miles is trying to get my cameraman drunk.
	No, just kidding.
	Well, he's English.
	He takes about eight of those before he even notices.
	Maybe.
	But at any rate...
	So, okay, this is very interesting, you know...
	They're copies for me.
	I was just talking...
	We're getting people waiting on us here, which is very nice, actually.
	Thank you.
	But I was talking to Tim...
	Timothy Good yesterday.
	Who's also here.
	Yes, and he's a fascinating man.
	I have to say that we got a stellar, absolutely stellar interview with Timothy.
	Well, I'm very glad you did that because he gives a wonderful interview and I think sometimes you'll get more in a slight expression and a hum or an um with Timothy Good, which will mean more than a thousand words.
	Yes.
	Well, he plays it very close to the cuff, as they say.
	But I do want to say that he said that the Ministry of Defence is run by the US, by the United States military.
	I think probably one of the most important things in perspective that people have got to understand is that there's a lot of British stuff coming through about Project Oak Tree.
	Have you heard of that?
	Yeah, I think I have.
	Yeah, and it's something to do with some kind of time travel stuff.
	And reality management stuff that they've been messing about with.
	And I think this relates to the kind of technology which John Irwin is referring to, that we've got access to toys we shouldn't even know about for another thousand years.
	And for this reason, we have to really have a very steep learning curve as to what's going on in terms of what's capable, what could happen, and all the paradigms and things that we think are normal are not anymore.
	We really have got to really wrap up our things very quickly.
	Basically, this generation that we have right now has to learn what a thousand years of generations have to understand and learn and be able to handle it.
	Okay?
	Yes, absolutely well.
	I've misled myself again, but basically, Britain did not win World War II, okay?
	That is why the Ministry of Defence is run by the United States, because the United States is a fourth right.
	Oh, absolutely.
	You know, I'm glad to hear you say it.
	Now, once you understand...
	This is true.
	No, this is absolutely true.
	I mean, once you understand...
	I think Camelot listeners know this.
	You know, Jim Mars, Joseph Farrell...
	The Red Report.
	All of this.
	1930s, how Canada was given...
	Very important stuff, yeah.
	That's an important sort of corollary.
	That's the special relationship that Britain has with the United States.
	Exactly.
	But the United States isn't won by the United States.
	Exactly.
	So, who really won the war?
	Well, I mean, it is a complex story.
	Certainly the United States and Britain are together in a corporation that's run in In Israel.
	But there's also the Vatican connection.
	So we've got a sort of split going on.
	I believe that there's a slight schism there.
	Christianity is not a religion.
	It's a mind control exercise which was designed and duped a lot of people for 2,000 years.
	I mean, there was some minor inducements to that, like being burned at the stake or burned slowly in the embers of a fire.
	And as you push down, you know, like a...
	Well, anyway, we won't go too far into details of that, but there were...
	Well, here we are in Phoenix, so...
	You know, the symbolism is rampant, I have to say.
	Phoenix is said to be, you know, actually a corollary to Egypt.
	You know, they found all sorts of Egyptian relics in the Grand Canyon.
	Yes, yes.
	At the bottom.
	So, and again, back to Richard Hoagland, says that there is...
	Phoenix is basically what you're looking at are the tops of mountains here when you look at any of the hills around the area which are not very tall but if you understand that we've got silt in other words that the soil after I guess a flooding or whatever covered over what was the original Phoenix which was all Egyptian Yes,
	well this is, it was actually very interesting that you mentioned that because on our way up to Sedona on Monday, I was mentioning how the landscape around here is not too dissimilar to that of Ireland.
	Because in Ireland, the ancient peoples took the tops off mountains to flatten them, to balance the energies, and we're on the air here.
	Another man, jeez.
	I'll be right back.
	Right, okay.
	So the point about this is that there's a wonderful book by Michael Poinder which illustrates this point, that's Poinder with a Y, where the mountains of the island which we call Ireland today connect with the energetic zones of the earth which were set out in the same mathematical relationship as the pyramids, except on a two-dimensional level along the ground.
	So whoever constructed that We've had an off-planet perspective, but from a hyper-dimensional point of view, because from a strictly three-dimensional point of view, we cannot leave here.
	Okay?
	Strictly from a three-dimensional point of view, but the pathway The way that a lot of this mathematics works, it's like stepping stones into a different...
	Oh, somebody's fallen off.
	Okay, yeah, we've lost our broadcast.
	Actually, we've also lost the live stream.
	So here we go again.
	So one moment.
	Tony, are you hearing us on the other side?
	no problems with you.
	Okay, we'll...
	I'd like to interject a question to both you, Miles, and to carry is that one of the things that in this big picture that I really sense over and over again is how the technology always ends up in the hands of the psychopaths.
	And my question is, is that ultimately, what is our defense against this?
	And the only thing I keep coming back to is consciousness and spiritual energy.
	Yes, which is why those two factors are being manipulated Consciousness, just in case the camera didn't hear that, that spiritual energy and consciousness, both of those very factors, both of those very components, are being directly engineered against our interests,
	which is why we have to get ourselves to be able to fight and to be able to To prevent those tools, those things being attacked.
	Which is why the cities that we have are laid out the way they are.
	Which is why so many things happen to be going on.
	There's certain ceremonies and things happen in certain places.
	Well, this is what I call boiling the frog.
	So that's in essence what's happening to humanity here.
	If you look at all the things that are attacking humanity at this time, it's actually rather overwhelming.
	Actually, we've got the owner of the John Rao, he doesn't want to come on camera.
	We could put him on the hot seat, but we are broadcasting live from UFO Congress, and he's just walking by.
	We want to thank him very much for this opportunity to be able to do this.
	We do want to encourage him to have some more radical speakers in the future.
	I'll leave that up to you.
	Bring them along.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	And we are going to be grabbing some other people.
	In fact, I'm going to go off on a little quest here because there's a particular witness I want to bring forward if I can find him real quickly.
	So I'm going to turn this over to Miles if he'll take the reins.
	Oh, my God.
	Off the top of your head, are you able to fly by the ceiling?
	Yes, I think we'll focus on how the Earth's energy grids are being manipulated.
	Thank you, and I'll be right back.
	This kind of information which we're talking about comes from some of the targeted individuals which I've been contacting myself through the BASIS project.
	Now, the problem about it is I can't give that person any credit.
	I can't give those Individuals very credit because they're in very real danger.
	A number of the people that I've been interviewing who came forward in the last couple of years which I sort of shared with the Amash project are in very great danger and a lot of them have gone underground to protect themselves and we'll leave that.
	We won't highlight that.
	But the point is that as targeted individuals They've got implants and other sorts of things in them which send out signals.
	But the link is that where they live, they're being targeted.
	And there is a new British organisation, well it's actually quite an old British organisation, but it's actually actively searching and taking solid measurements So that when these individuals are discussing and saying that these sorts of things are happening,
	in other words, they're being targeted with wave, with microwaves or something, or energies, or they're hearing strange vibrations in the ground, or they're sensing that there's an ET based underneath their house, they're not actually nuts.
	They are actually encountering those kinds of things.
	And this is happening Almost in plain sight in London and in cities across the United Kingdom and elsewhere.
	The link is that they have been manipulated or they've been placed into these zones because they're actually...
	Brought here to highlight this information so we can find out about it.
	And they're taking the rap really straight head on in their personal lives, in the way that their bodies and other things are being changed.
	And they're going through a really hard time, including things like their pets, yes?
	Yeah.
	that anytime somebody's consciousness and spiritual energy rises above the plane, if you will, of the sheeple, they get targeted.
	Yes, Tony just mentioned there, for the purposes of the camera, that once you put your head above the, once you start being noticed, you really get attacked.
	And so when people do that, they're actually very, very brave.
	Because one of the things which Cathy Morgan, who's one of the MKUltra and twins survivors and researchers in England, has found out that The actual medical procedure for sectioning you has been gerrymandered or sabotaged so that any symptoms that you come up with with your doctor or any medical or psychiatric person that you go for assistance
	and you come up with any of the symptoms which you describe those symptoms have been built in To the medical literature so that it basically says if the person says the following things, symptoms, they're bonkers, so section them.
	So it's not actually a conspiracy from the point of view of the psychiatric staff.
	They're simply looking at the manual, the medical manual.
	If somebody comes up and says they're suffering from the following issues, they are a targeted individual.
	They are being attacked by Entities and other forces and elements.
	But they're not bonkers, but the manual says so, so bingo, you go straight in there and you're sectioned.
	And a number of very brave people have been coming up with this.
	Just when you were away, I was referring to targeted individuals, but also people who are being very badly and heavily targeted and complaining about energies and force fields and things.
	This is actually happening.
	And there is a British team which...
	An organization which I can't quite remember, but they are going in with instrumentation.
	They are detecting these sports fields.
	I've certainly been into this person's house.
	There is gigahertz radiation going in there and very high powers off the scale.
	Right.
	And they are hearing these things.
	There are rumblings and things underground.
	And there are ET-type energetic bases being drilled under the ground where they live in cities in London.
	Yes.
	So this is all happening.
	But if you actually mention this to a medical person saying, look, I'm sick or I need some help.
	Bingo, bonkers, section.
	That's right, yeah.
	And the same thing's happening with, I mean there's a brilliant woman in Northern Ireland called Sandra Barr and she has done an awful lot of research into the numerology and an awful lot of the background to the royalty and the sciences behind that and where people live and she's worked out Really what's going on.
	So why they had the wedding of the royal couple, why they had it at that time, why that relates to certain things, including the release of paparazzi photographs.
	The paparazzi photographs, these terrible photographs which invade the royal couple's privacy, were all staged.
	The very action of the pillars, maybe the certain emblems involved, it's all It's a completely put-up job.
	Incredible.
	She's a great lady and she needs a bit of credit.
	She's had a bit of a hard time.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	That's great.
	I was out there trying to find a couple of people that I'd come across here at the conference because we do find some interesting people.
	People that have fascinating backgrounds, as well as well-known authors and so on, trying to grab a couple of them to bring them online here, because we did do this broadcast sort of off the cuff.
	I think we, at the planning meeting, Kerry, last week...
	When you came to London and sorted this out in my office.
	I wish, yeah.
	This has all been very heavily planned.
	Of course, this is a complete rouge.
	It's got the image of this idea that maybe it's made on the hoof and it's just randomly complete chaos.
	Oh, yeah, right.
	We're just doing this one.
	But really, it's been heavily planned.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, people are not going to get humor.
	That's too dark.
	That's too deep.
	Okay, okay.
	But at this moment, I did hear you talking about the royal wedding, and I know that there was a very special...
	Well, there's a lot of symbolism going on with regard to the visits to Ireland as well, and where the Queen has gone.
	And are you able to talk about that?
	Yes.
	Elizabeth Stone, I think she went to visit, and Obama went to visit it?
	Yeah, they all...
	Now, Veronica Ford Keane might be able to give you some more information on this.
	Uh-huh.
	Are you aware of Veronica Ford Keane?
	I don't think so, no.
	Uh...
	Veronica Ford Keane is the widow of Montague Keane, who died in public.
	I think it was at an Oxford or Cambridge debate.
	He just died in mid-sentence.
	He knew John Mack, and she, in fact, identified John Mack at the morgue.
	She was the last person just to see him.
	John Mack was staying in her house.
	Oh, my God.
	So she got a lot of connections in that regard.
	But she's been doing a lot of work in Ireland to...
	With those very stones.
	What I understand is that she got there before the Queen did.
	It's a bit of a complicated story, this, but she got there with her team to invalidate anything Her Majesty did.
	I see.
	That links the whole point about the island, which we now call Ireland, and the connection with the energetic grids in the earth, which is why they're there.
	For instance, the royal wedding with Prince William of Orange, which of course goes back to why it was the original Illuminati revolution, which was a magical ceremony, which was the Battle of the Boyne.
	So, from an Irish perspective, That war, that battle, which has caused so much trouble and strife, were being used as a mechanism to cause a bipolar conflict thought switch in Ireland.
	So if anybody ever got anywhere, they'd immediately have a bipolar conflict switch, never able to resolve anything.
	That's what that was for.
	And that's where nobody in the North will agree with everything, and then it's fractal.
	No matter where you go, you have these...
	But that's...
	It was part of what we were doing with my radio station thing.
	It was breaking the matrix involved with that.
	The point is that the Battle of Boyne was an Illuminati ritual which was on the banks of the River Boyne.
	The River Boyne symbolizes the galaxy and the symbology of it was an alien or foreign I mean,
	you're quite a historian.
	Chris Thomas, who's a Welsh perceiver, has come up with that.
	And he has a unique name for these kinds of ETs.
	He calls them the Valon.
	Now, there's no other source of that term, Valon, except in the science fiction TV series called Babylon 5.
	Babylon 5 uses the term Balon, but also has these black shadow entities and the wars with the dark entities.
	Well, I want to ask you, while I have you here, Miles, I wanted to ask you about...
	Since you're not English, you're Irish, but you must have paid some attention to, you know, 2001 Stanley Kramer's...
	Kubrick.
	I mean, Stanley Kubrick.
	Wrong person.
	That's another person.
	Anyway, Stanley Kubrick, you know, his wife is still alive and I've always wanted to interview her and I'm wondering if you've ever tried, you know, because there is some evidence that she would know a lot more about what he was really involved in and I'm just wondering if you might...
	Well, I haven't tried to interview her, but I think the symbology of that, and of course the whole point about 2001 A Space Odyssey is it's not Jupiter, it's Saturn.
	They just couldn't make the model in that era, they couldn't make a good Saturn from the stage filming point of view that was going to work, so they switched it to Jupiter.
	And it's interesting that The diamond spiders from the moons of Saturn are meant to be the kind of things which are coming here.
	And it was interesting that there's meant to be a nest of them in Cumbria in the Lake District.
	Are you saying there already is?
	There already is.
	Some people came to me and they said that there were these giant spiders which were deep down on and on.
	Really?
	I mean, now we're talking about another...
	We're not talking about the sort of electronic...
	No, we're not talking about the Scuttlers.
	Yeah, the Scuttlers.
	You're talking about a different...
	And we're not talking about the Kraken either, because it was the Kraken entities which were noticed in London, and I noticed it's the interest of Sky Television.
	I mean, I have a whistleblower who has said that there was, you know, these, dreadful as it sounds, these spiders that were on the way here.
	Yeah.
	The problem about the reason why I'm mentioning The Lake District is because another colleague of mine and I stumbled upon what seems to be a completely artificial structure of existence that basically the inhabitants of that region of England are being taken and the people have screen memories and we triggered their screen memories in the way that we came into the hotels and they operated like a network And once
	we were allowed into one of the places, suddenly the whole place filled up.
	And we seem to have triggered some kind of Village of the Dam style of reality up there.
	And again, that's a part of the UK where one of Britain's most important researchers had all her computers taken, all of her UFO research in that region all taken, and we were going to have a major interview, but this never happened.
	Well, I mean, along these lines, actually, I want to run this by you because what I'm noticing is a sort of a, for lack of a better word, a crackdown across the board, actually, that has to do with, you might say, there was a sort of almost a renaissance that happened over the years when Camelot was first in operation.
	You know, information was more plentiful back then.
	It was really getting out there.
	And what seems to be happening right now is everywhere that I go, there seems to be a slight dumbing down.
	And I'm wondering if there's a preparation behind the scenes in the military industrial complex, so to speak, that is preparing for something that we've not been told about.
	I'm very firmly convinced that we have a new player on the block.
	There's a new kid on the block.
	I have a very, very strong feeling of that.
	Okay, let me just prompt you there, because I've also heard this, but I heard that it was the Chinese who have this new partner.
	The Chinese were attacking with the dark elements through Murdoch into the...
	They were using the Murdoch Empire as a mechanism for injecting a very dangerous toxic consciousness through all of basically Western media, the whole thing.
	Because it's all interconnected, they got a foothold at the sky, which I found out about and warned about, And that was the first batch of management that came in from Murdoch's...
	See Murdoch was being used.
	Right.
	So his satellite station in Hong Kong, the management there were taken over.
	They were then imported en masse into the management in the UK and all of the management structures within the practicalities of the so-called Murdoch Empire were all taken out.
	Well, can you describe what you're saying is sort of a toxic consciousness that they were sort of putting out there, but can you describe what you mean by that?
	Well, the first thing that goes is a sense of humor.
	Okay.
	And that's why when you've got somebody like Colonel John B with his sense of humor, that's a good sign.
	Okay?
	We won't say too much about that, but the key to it is sense of humor.
	Now, the point about it is that With the train of events which happened in 2010, and my personal warnings from the former director of...
	BBC, I'm not talking about television director, I'm talking about the director at BBC board level, came to me at Glastonbury and warned me that the BBC was infested with mind control and his pure simple task was to alert the director general of that era, which was some time ago.
	I don't want to put too many dates in here.
	Alright.
	His job was to actually monitor mind control activity at the BBC. Now, he reported to a director general, and that director general was not human.
	Really?
	In his words.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	Now, other senior top-level people in other broadcasting organizations also warned me that who they reported to when they were given briefings by certain agencies in the UK, those who were in charge of those agencies were not human.
	And I spin back to the very first IFO Congress that I attended, where I had to have a very steep learning curve at that time, the Showboat Hotel.
	That, when I came back, the British-sized spy that was conscripted to work for British Intelligence, because the Brits are involved with reviewing, and they have a close relationship with a number of ETs, and when UFOs come around, they're able to get feedback, yeah, that was one of ours, or there's going to be a certain activity in this area.
	We're pre-warned that if you see a lot of stuff happening there, it's going to be...
	They had a quick...
	Well, that is interesting.
	But, you know, what I want to talk about, because you're talking about the ETs that are sort of behind the scenes...
	But he was then taken for cross-examination by a non-human being on a base of a civil airport, three hours flying time from Belfast.
	So the point is that we seem to have a non-human intelligence Not alien.
	It's very important that we don't use the term ET or alien in this regard.
	I was corrected on that.
	That is simply a non-human intelligence infrastructure which is controlling things.
	Okay, well we're talking about an AI in this case then.
	Could be.
	That's the point about the black entities, that the way they link up, like nerve cells, and I think that they use the electrical supply system as an early form of artificial intelligence, which behave like a neural net.
	And what they've done is they've simply upgraded that using the Wi-Fi and other technologies.
	But the NSA, you know that, for example, with the Snowden releases, that the NSA is hand-in-hand with Britain.
	Yes.
	With, I would say, in fact, with, what do they call it, GCHQ? GCHQ, yeah.
	And as well as, I have some information about men with Hill.
	Yes.
	That's where one of the, on Deep Underground, two miles down, A sudden impulse of energy released that.
	Now I know Benjamin Fulford then started talking about these things elsewhere, but this first started in England.
	The idea that somebody sort of drilled in and dumped a nuke in there is baloney.
	Somehow they used technology to allow an instantaneous release of energy, like an explosion, two miles down approximately.
	Because the Lake District is much higher, the distance it was down was A deeper distance, but it would mean that it would be roughly the same deep underground shell where this energy release was.
	When you're talking about an energy release, when was this?
	Well, this would have been, it's when Benjamin Colford, I was on air with him at Edge TV right about January 2011.
	So this would have been happening probably in 2009.
	Okay.
	All right, and then this energy release, are you saying it led to something?
	Explosions.
	Explosions.
	See, we're losing our picture here.
	Energy release explosions.
	It's as if somebody was taken on a deep underground bases on the beach.
	Right, interesting.
	Established military facilities and listing posts in the UK. Well, you know, what I want to do here is drill down a little bit because I am very interested in a sort of a schism.
	And after talking to Timothy Goode, it seems obvious to me.
	There are certain other people on the stage, for example, in the panel discussion.
	I don't know if you saw it last night.
	I did, yeah.
	Okay.
	Again, I'm not going to name any names.
	Well, there were two people having nice ping-pong.
	Right.
	Ping-pong being a well-known Chinese game.
	We leave that on.
	It's probably too deep.
	No, I think people might catch on.
	But the thing is that what's important is that there seemed to be a real schism being demonstrated even on stage, although most of the people kind of went completely beyond them.
	But I have to say that these individuals are at war with each other.
	They're both representing different groups of ETs.
	I want to say that they're at war with each other.
	I think that one whole lot is completely bought into the Matrix.
	Every time I hear this damn thing about Rosswell, I go bananas.
	I mean, there was alien activity, UFO activity.
	You know, ETs running around small villages or towns in England during the war.
	Sure.
	There's more and more stuff coming through that the Brics were involved with ETs in England and the Germans in the war.
	Actually, I heard recently that long before Roswell, even in the United States, before the Germans got hold of this kind of technology, they always get credit.
	Yeah.
	To the Germans.
	Now, the Germans ended up coming over and working with the Americans on the same technology, but apparently there was communication with some group of VTs, at least one, from the military.
	The Thule Society, the channelers of the 1930s were given data, information to construct what they thought was a spacecraft.
	They call it a spacecraft.
	What they actually did was that they constructed some kind of portal device which allowed a lot of stuff in and they lost control of it.
	Now the thing about this is John Irwin refers to the bell.
	Oh, absolutely.
	We went there, actually.
	We went to Poland and saw the Henge.
	Now, what seems to have been happening...
	This is Igor Witkowski?
	Yes.
	You know his work?
	Yes.
	I'm very impressed with that.
	It really does.
	That's even been on BBC Radio 4.
	It's horrendous though.
	If you go there in person, I can tell you that the energetics there is just horrendous.
	It seems that something similar was going on in Basis in England during the war, which involved the Nazis, involved some kind of space-time thing.
	One of the first people who spoke at the Basis project is Lisa Williams.
	That's Basis 1 with Barry King.
	The reason why I was so convinced by what Barry King was talking about, this is almost 20 years ago now, in fact it is 20 years ago now, that Lisa Williams and Barry King were both agreeing on the same thing, and yet this was the first time they'd met.
	Okay.
	Okay, now the thing about Lisa Williams is that she's got a connection with the Nazi command that was involved With that technology during World War II, she actually feels there's some kind of soul splice involved there.
	Now, specialists would say you can't do a soul splice, but there's some kind of connection there.
	She's just gone back to Germany, she's been dealing with one of David Bowie's daughters in this regard, getting more research on this.
	So, there is this strong connection with some kind of split reality I think that they've screwed up in order to...
	They've created some kind of explosion or shattering of space-time.
	Right.
	Well, I mean, this gets into the Montauk project, it gets into Aleister Crowley, you know, and what he calls the great work.
	There is a lot of information, none of it completely clear.
	I mean, Philadelphia Experiment, I mean, in other words, that schism...
	This connects with Marconi.
	He was brought in by the Germans to deal with whatever was involved with that.
	And Ireland in the 1930s.
	Where I have been involved with that.
	There's a photograph which was given to me by a certain person who seemed to know rather more about me than I did at the time.
	It infers, not infers, states pretty directly that I was involved with the Marconi scientists in Ireland when they did transmissions in Ireland in the 1930s.
	But this would have been a prior life?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're not that old.
	Well, my receding...
	Well, we'd better be quiet here.
	So I just have to take that on board, yes or no, I don't know about that.
	That's very interesting, yeah.
	And it could have a connection with wire labeling.
	I was able to put on two 1-megawatt FM stations on the Irish border.
	Nobody coming anywhere near.
	It was good fun.
	Very good fun, in fact.
	But there's no way that you're allowed to do that and get away with it.
	We're talking 150, 160-foot towers and a lot of watts.
	No, no.
	I mean, I thought you had agency connections, actually.
	Yeah, well, who knows?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so prior life kind of.
	I mean, when they finally raided it and took all my toys away, they were good enough to phone.
	And once they knew I was where I was, they'd write, okay, he's not here, he's not on his way, take it.
	They didn't want me to be involved.
	Interesting, yeah.
	Well, there is, I mean, there's an element of protection around some of us.
	I certainly feel it.
	Which is why, I think it's the first thing you came up with.
	A lot of people seem to be, in other words, I think we're beginning to have an effect on Yes.
	We're beginning to hurt.
	John Irwin is very clear about this.
	The Alex Jones and all the stuff that we're doing has no effect.
	The sheeple are so sheeple.
	Nothing's really happening.
	We're not having an effect.
	So we've got to find out some way of having an effect.
	Well, I mean, I can't agree with that.
	I mean, I know that it feels to some degree that we are sort of, sometimes it's an uphill battle, but I think the plentiful amount of information on the internet right now is testimony to the fact that people are waking up and they are very hungry for the truth.
	And working very hard to find it.
	Now, there's certainly...
	You know, whenever you have sort of a positive move in one direction, you're going to have a negative move in the other.
	That's like a no-brainer on here, on planet Earth, in this 3D reality.
	We're talking about a union of opposites going on.
	But that doesn't mean that we're not making headway here.
	Well, Urban is very...
	One of his pet phrases, if you put the truth into a barrel of lies...
	You'll never find the truth again.
	Well, I mean, I'm sure that the military thinks that, because that's how they operate, right?
	They're banking on that, basically.
	But I have to say that whatever you've heard from John up till now is, I don't know, like second grade as opposed to fifth grade, or in England it would be O-level, that betrays my age.
	But the thing is that The way to explain things at a lower level is often so crudely simple that when you get to the details at a higher level, what you then find out is so radically different to what you got at the start.
	So I think we have to see what he's going to ultimately say because he does want it in one go in a big way and we'll have to see how that works and let's hope it blows.
	Okay, well, I mean, I think everyone has a piece of the puzzle, so to speak.
	So we're going to get this from many different angles.
	I can tell you that there's no doubt that Timothy Good has some very special access.
	Yes.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I think this is no accident.
	Absolutely, yes.
	Timothy Good is definitely the kind of person that...
	You would have certain clubs and parties.
	Right.
	He would fit into certain levels, which I think would be very good.
	But the thing about Irwin is...
	But he also doesn't seem to actually know.
	I mean, you'll see my interview with him when I publish it.
	But I did run some things by him now.
	I'm assuming he's honest.
	He said he really didn't know about this, that, or the other.
	He won't.
	He won't.
	He won't have had the slightest exposure to it.
	Yeah, and so what they do is they give them a certain amount of information, which is what they do with people that they've got to give information to because they're very, very brilliant, and they're not going to sit there and not know.
	But if you feed them enough in a certain angle, then it's kind of like the other tunnel vision.
	There's some other areas that they're not going to have access to.
	For example, are you familiar with there's a police officer in Britain His name is Tony Dodd.
	He died a few years ago.
	Did you ever meet him by chance?
	I met Tony just really before we get on to that.
	When you've got certain people who are going to be given certain bits of information, and for them to be comfortable with that information, they have to be given the information which they will remain comfortable with, which they won't lose the plot on.
	Right.
	So if you've got somebody who's going to be very successful in a particular demographic or saying something, you've got to make sure they're going to do it right.
	And so it's So with Timothy, he would have a certain social class, a certain way of looking at things, and so in order for that to work and for him to retain credibility within his sphere of influence, there's no point exposing him or giving him information where he would say, you didn't say that in your book, did you?
	Don't be so ridiculous.
	We've all got a role to play.
	We've got a role to play.
	He will be invited onto the BBC. A lot of the people at the BBC that the BBC use are blatant disinformer people.
	A colleague of mine called Max Burns calls him the usual suspects.
	We won't go too far into that, but it means that Timothy Goode would be able to say certain things I appreciate that, but you know, I have to tell you that I've dealt with this type of person before who's been kind of put in a corner, but actually they're much smarter than that, and they're eventually going to sort of, it's a niche.
	They've become very expert at it.
	Military people trust them, give them information, which he's absolutely got stellar, really stellar information.
	Absolutely, yes.
	But it's because he's retained that, they have not gone over it.
	The reason I bring up Tony Dodd here is because I asked him about Tony Dodd, and we were contacted by Tony Dodd, secretly.
	Camelot was.
	And we were told...
	That must be pretty close before he passed away.
	It was.
	Not too long.
	I'm not going to get into...
	He was taken on.
	I mean, people don't realize that Camelot's been in operation for eight years.
	That's 24-7, eight years.
	So I can tell you that sometime during that eight years, we were contacted very secretly by Tony Dodd.
	And he told us that Torchwood, the British television series, is absolutely true and that they really do have teams of...
	For individuals employed by the secret government.
	Torchwood is a spin-off of the Doctor Who thing.
	Yeah, well maybe so, but they have these teams that go out and hunt down ETs.
	That would completely concur with, I call him Agent Delta in my Northern Ireland thing, because he was involved with that kind of stuff.
	And he said you could get killed for that knowledge, so even though he was friends with Timothy Goode, he didn't tell him that.
	Yeah, that would be right.
	That would be the right way to operate.
	Protecting him.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I was trying to push things about cattle mutilations in Northern Ireland.
	I'll call him Agent Delta.
	I tried to leak this.
	I was trying to get this raised in the newspapers in Northern Ireland.
	Within 25 minutes of me trying to do that, he was on my front door saying, if you go ahead with this, you'll be dead.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And I've had the old gun pulled on you, you know, on me.
	Right.
	The thing is, when they pull a gun on you, it's already too late, because if they're going to do anything, they wouldn't need to pull.
	But anyway, that's either here or there.
	But the point about Tony Dodd is that Tony Dodd A person who was involved with one of the most sensitive cases that Tony dealt with, she's an abductee in that zone, Skipton, that Yorkshire zone that we mentioned earlier, with David Griffin.
	And she was taken a long time ago.
	She now lives on the Isle of Man.
	And she talked about that case.
	She made sure she talked to me about that case that she was involved with, Tony Dodd.
	Now this involved her...
	She went into a major regression.
	There was a major important person from the Ministry of Defense who was part of the interview with Tony.
	So Tony was dealing with a very important UFO case with the Ministry of Defense.
	Interesting.
	She then, during that interview, kept quiet and a tall Egyptian-type entity turned up and briefed Tony Dogg and the guy from the Ministry of Defense.
	Really?
	And that briefing was classified.
	It remains classified.
	But the guy from the Ministry of Defence was a good Catholic and he resigned after that time.
	He couldn't handle it.
	He rejected the Catholic Church and he He couldn't handle what he was told.
	Fascinating.
	And he resigned.
	Tony kept that secret all the time.
	I don't believe he's...
	Well, I mean, apparently this man was very well read in on a great deal.
	Not only because, I guess, of his law enforcement background in things written.
	But I know that Nick Polk, It was still very critical of Tony for releasing information.
	Yeah, well, Nick Pope would be, because we interviewed Nick Pope and we have sort of an ongoing rivalry.
	I mean, he was just to the letter giving us basically the propaganda that he's basically been told to give.
	Well, you need to look at the interview that I got with him.
	He was pressurized.
	It was about three days after he resigned.
	Well, shall we say his current role It changed with the organization he was with.
	And I got him up against the clock and he did say a couple of things which actually meant something.
	And one of those was a little slip of the tongue where he said, well, we've certainly been shooting at them with their gun cameras.
	Now in that one phrase, Nick Pope said something.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Now, A, it means that they're real physical objects flying around.
	B, it means that we've got fighters up looking at them.
	C, it means we've got film of them.
	And D, it means they might be a threat.
	Yes.
	All in one little slip of the tongue, which is very careless for Mr.
	Pope.
	In all fairness to him, because in case he sees this, I've always thought that he was a beautiful potential whistleblower, and it hasn't happened yet, but I can tell you that he knows a great deal more than he lets on.
	He likes to play dumb, I'm afraid, but he's also written some fictional books.
	John Irwin.
	I'm very sorry, but you just can't butt in on a live three-way conversation.
	Oh, hi, John.
	How are you?
	John Irwin.
	We've got Kerry Cassidy here.
	John Irwin has come online from up north in Newcastle.
	Okay, let me see if I can do this.
	This is going to be very clever.
	This is good.
	Hello, John.
	You're speaking to...
	We've got two laptops.
	Talk to each other.
	This is awesome.
	We'll just bow out and let the technology take us here.
	Okay, okay.
	Laptop one, talk to laptop two.
	I don't know if this is working.
	Is this working?
	Yeah.
	Is he showing up?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, awesome.
	Let's go ahead.
	I mean, it's great to see you, John.
	I can't believe you're showing up here.
	Oh, that's a little bit unbelievable myself, I'll say, John.
	I'm very good.
	I'm very good.
	Well, you're on another network.
	You're on about three networks.
	Am I really?
	Yeah, we'll just see if the sound can be picked up on this.
	Yeah.
	But we'll keep it brief.
	John, you see, he always smiles when there's a girl.
	Okay.
	But we want to make sure that this is working and it looks like it is.
	So, okay.
	So we've got you going here.
	I hope your audio will be picked up.
	Okay, John, you can speak now.
	Now you've interrupted this story.
	Well, I had no idea I was going to be interrupting anything.
	So, okay, what are you discussing?
	Well, we're talking about you, really.
	Yeah, we've talked about you quite a bit.
	We have mentioned that you were interviewed by Sean Stone.
	Do you want to say anything about that?
	Well, that was, let's say that was a week on last Sunday, wasn't it?
	Everything seems to be going well.
	We have signed agreements in regards to making the book and the fulfillment.
	So, yeah, everything's looking good.
	Good.
	And we leave it there, shall we?
	But do you want to say anything more?
	Well, you're welcome to say more, John.
	We've been talking about the black goo.
	We've been talking about all kinds, you know, the David Griffin.
	It's something I know very little about.
	I see.
	Yeah, so...
	Okay, well, how are you...
	Let me ask you this.
	I know the SAS was always knocking on your door.
	Have they been successful in getting you to train their military guys?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Simple as that.
	No.
	No.
	No, he says.
	Okay.
	What's the matter?
	They couldn't afford you or what was the problem?
	I think it was because they couldn't afford them.
	No, the fact is they actually work for the European Union now.
	Oh yeah?
	Yeah, because of that, I wouldn't show them anything.
	But besides, anything they do learn, they put it on YouTube, so if it's freely available, it isn't any good.
	You've lost the element of surprise, you see.
	Yes.
	We've lost the element of surprise.
	Well, I think if you're going to have a secret fighting technology or secret fighting technique, the general idea is to keep it secret and not put it on YouTube.
	Right, right.
	Well, I mean, it's one thing to talk about a fighting method.
	It's quite another to be able to do it, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I'm not sure that the element of surprise is totally lost.
	I imagine you've kept a few things up your sleeve.
	He's got very short sleeves, mind you.
	I've kept the crime for over 55 years.
	Things can't be kept a secret.
	You know, and again, you need that element of surprise, especially the way things are going now.
	Things are looking really bad.
	Well, actually, this is what we were literally discussing when you came on, that things seem to be...
	Yeah, we'd like to hear your take on where things are headed right now, especially, I guess, you're focused on England, but if you can even talk about what's going on in the world scene, any areas that you want to address?
	Well, the plan is succeeding.
	The next step is obviously Syria.
	I think they'll be moving there pretty soon.
	What's happening in England at the moment is they're keeping the economy afloat, but it's an artificial economy.
	You know, they've destroyed all the industry here, but it's an artificial economy.
	And they know that this economy won't last.
	You can't keep pouring money into something that's not creating money.
	And they are hoping that the war will break out in the Middle East because if it does, it means the streets of Hormuz will close and all our supplies will be cut off.
	You see?
	Can you hear me already?
	Yeah, we can hear you.
	I guess we're having some trouble with our hookup here, so I'm going to just move over here and see if I can remedy the situation.
	Roger Camelot, we'll just put you there.
	There's Kerry and a company rebooting power.
	We're live and direct right now.
	We're live and direct.
	So John, while Kerry sorts that out, what do you exactly mean by the economy and what about that weather engineered flooding in England that's happening right now?
	Well, as I said, the economy is engineered.
	It's a false economy.
	They're pouring money into the system to get Britain into more and more debt.
	And they've done a pretty good job of it so far.
	Like I said, the object, the exercise now is...
	This is just going to collapse.
	This economy can't survive.
	Okay.
	Can you still hear me?
	Yeah, well, I'm not too sure if the online people can still hear us, but we are now, I think, got power and we're recording.
	So we leave it like that.
	Okay.
	Okay, guys online, what's happened is that our power tripped out.
	And if you're still hearing us, hopefully you can.
	And John Irwin is still speaking with us, but I'm not sure if the guys online can hear that.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, I think, John, if you wanted to say happy, happy days to Carrie.
	Happy days to Carrie.
	As I was saying before, they're putting money into the system to keep the economy afloat.
	But they can't keep doing that.
	It's not possible.
	It's got to come to an end pretty soon.
	Well, you're hearing about the death of the bankers, John.
	You're hearing that there are Illuminati hits on the bankers.
	Have you been hearing about that?
	Well, like I said, it's all a setup.
	It's all a distraction.
	It's a distraction.
	The bankers and...
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	As I said, this economy, they can't keep the economy afloat like this forever.
	So they're hoping something will take place in the Middle East.
	If they close the streets of Hormuz, all of our supplies will stop coming here.
	The economy will then start to collapse, to collapse, and they'll blame the war in the Middle East.
	That's what they'll do, that's their plan.
	Okay, have you got a timeline in mind?
	No, I haven't.
	I think, judging by what I've seen so far, I think it's going to be someday in the middle of the next year.
	Sorry, at the end of this year.
	Okay.
	Some people are saying that they thought that war with Syria was not going to happen.
	You're saying that you think it is.
	I happen to agree with you.
	I think they are working in that direction.
	Well, it will happen.
	It will happen.
	See, they're going to take Syria out.
	Because Syria is the back door, so to speak.
	That's why they took Iran, sorry, Iraq.
	It split the two countries up from, you know, they had to get between Iran and Syria.
	So they had to take Iraq first.
	The next step is to take Syria, then they can take Iran.
	Okay, well, John, I've heard that in Syria there is some kind of underground base or a technology, some special installation.
	I don't know what it is exactly.
	Are you familiar with this?
	I've heard rumors about this.
	That's why they really want to target Syria.
	There's something special.
	I really agree that I'm convinced that Iran and Syria, well mostly Iran, has got access to very high technology energy weapons because of the way they behave.
	I think the Iranian nuclear stuff is a front, but I do feel that the Iranians, possibly through the back door from Russia, has got access to some kind of high power energetic weapons.
	Which is possibly why there's a bowling ball effect of storms hitting the southern part of England at the moment.
	I don't know how you feel about that.
	Well, I can say I don't know.
	I'm not aware of that.
	I haven't come across any information regarding that.
	I just know that it's a military strategic position they're in now.
	And to accomplish the attack on Iran, they must take out Syria first.
	It's as simple as that, I think.
	Well, I recently saw a film at Sundance Film Festival here in America that it was basically a propaganda film to get the US and England involved in Syria.
	Yeah, it would be the same procedure of how it went into Iraq.
	It's a repeat.
	It's a repeat.
	Well, certainly what's happening right now is that in the Salisbury Plain, there has been a very, very heavy concentration of gun practice, tank and artillery weapons firing going on almost till 10 o'clock at night for quite a while now.
	But it's going on up here as well.
	It's going on up the west end of Newcastle.
	In the train areas up there.
	We've also got foreign troops up here as well.
	Very interesting.
	Do you know the television producer of Roswell, the movie Roswell?
	No, I don't.
	Well, he's right over there.
	I'm wondering if we can get him to come over here.
	His name is Paul.
	I don't remember his last name.
	We're talking about the TV producer.
	But we'll see if we get them online.
	So if Kerry can want to go there.
	John, is there anything further you want to say to Project Camelot and the online audience here, Revolution Radio, if they're still with us, about what you have with the Sean Stone film and anything you want to say on that right now?
	Well, at the moment, Sean's writing the script in regards to him making this film.
	I've only spoke to him once since he was last year.
	Okay.
	Well, we don't need that...
	At the moment, we're just waiting for the other contracts to be signed.
	Okay.
	It's not for them, no.
	This is Project Camelot.
	This guy I know.
	He is so disreputable.
	How can you associate with him?
	Yeah, he's a wild Irishman.
	We've got another one, John Irwin.
	I don't know if you know who he is.
	He's from England.
	Okay, we're joined.
	We'll let you see who else we're joined with.
	The producer of...
	Roswell.
	The Roswell film.
	Actually, the famous producer of Roswell.
	Now, this is somebody you won't know.
	The Roswell movie.
	This is John Irwin, who was part of a very secret military team of the 1950s, which dealt with the recovery of...
	I have to interrupt.
	I'm not going to complain about my hair.
	I'm going to complain about...
	That there's too much illumination behind me, so I'm completely...
	Well, you're a real producer, aren't you?
	We can hardly see now because the light has changed.
	That's a lot better.
	Come on over like this.
	We'll get my wasp-infested juice out of the way.
	We're dealing with Hollywood here.
	Hi, John.
	John Irwin was involved with the team.
	Why don't you say, John, what you were involved with in 1957-59?
	Well, I was with a group of people called the 16.
	It was a group of special forces.
	This was in the late 50s.
	In 1958, I was out in the Middle East in Cyprus.
	I was chosen by these people.
	I went through a program called the One Step Beyond, a free elimination program.
	John, were you in a movie that...
	Miles, you made a film...
	Was he in that film?
	Yeah.
	I saw that film.
	Okay.
	I saw your film.
	I heard all your testimony about that.
	He's written a book called The Sixteen.
	Yeah.
	And they were involved in special operations for the British.
	We showed the film.
	Not for the British.
	I think the important thing is, John, you were in the British Army, but you were not fighting for the British.
	That's correct.
	Very, very secret group of individuals that were very specially trained.
	In fact, isn't that with kind of ET fighting technology?
	John?
	Well, I wasn't aware of that at the time.
	The people that were training me were out of this world, if you like.
	At the time, I was only 18 years old, I had no idea who I was actually training with, to be quite honest.
	And I had no idea how skillfully it really worked.
	I had nothing to compare it with.
	It was after I actually came out of the army, I realized that the group I was with were specialized people in the world, you know.
	I've never seen it anywhere else.
	Even our special forces in England, the SCS, have been after my skills.
	So at the time I didn't realize how clever these people were.
	Okay.
	Well, Paul.
	But at this point, John, we're going to have to let you go.
	We want to give Paul a little bit of time here on this broadcast.
	We're winding down, actually.
	But thank you so much for coming and joining us.
	It's great to see you.
	It's great to be talking to you again.
	All right, and I'd love to have you back on my show real soon, all right?
	And maybe John Lear can write the forward to you, the re-release of your new book, which will have colour artwork in it, which will be out of this world.
	Is that right, John?
	Yeah, yeah, it would be great, yeah.
	Like I said, wait till the film gets going and then we'll have something to talk about.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, very good.
	Thank you so much.
	Take care.
	Thank you, John Irwin, from Newcastle, up north in England.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay, we've got Paul.
	Paul, what's your last name?
	Paul Davids.
	David with an S. Okay, yes.
	And it's been a while, you know, since I've seen you years.
	Find me at pauldavids, and then a hyphen, artist.com.
	Because I've moved from making films about UFOs to being a fine artist with a major installation now In the Ritz-Carlton and Laguna Beach.
	Oh, wow.
	That's awesome.
	They've taken 13 works I co-created with Russell Metzger and it just opened last Saturday.
	Going to be there for a few months.
	Anybody can go.
	You don't have to be an official guest of the resort.
	You can go for lunch or have a drink and see these works up to 8 feet wide.
	One of the most spectacular is called 65 Million Years Ago.
	Which is our image of the comet that destroyed the dinosaurs, the extinction event, just a split second before impact.
	Wonderful.
	It's a beautiful, beautiful piece in the Ritz.
	Well, I know you were a gifted artist way back when, even before you became a filmmaker, isn't that right?
	Yes, I've been spending a lot of time on that because I think it's a lasting and enduring contribution.
	I've made now...
	I think it's around ten films.
	Ten films.
	Ten films?
	Yeah.
	Most of them I wrote, produced, and directed.
	Roswell, I was executive producer and I co-wrote.
	And the first one I was just a writer on.
	It was called She Dances Alone.
	It had Bud Court in it.
	He was famous for being Harold of Harold and Rod.
	Yes.
	And then came Roswell and then Starry Night and The Sci-Fi Boys was popular all around the world.
	Jesus in India.
	The latest one is the Life After Death Project.
	It was on Sci-Fi Channel last spring, and now there's a two-DVD set.
	Great.
	Well, you know, let's turn the camera a bit, and let's look at Paul for a minute.
	Yeah, it's just...
	Oh, that's on you now, okay.
	I know, but this is live over the internet, so they won't get that one until...
	Yeah, okay, fine.
	So I want to make sure that people see you when you're talking.
	But, Paul, isn't it true that you were really working sort of as an independent producer in Hollywood for many, many years?
	Yes.
	You know, I got my start in Los Angeles very much in the mainstream.
	You know, I worked for a very famous agent for five years to start out in Paul Kroner, who represented Charles Bronson, John Huston, William Wyler, Ingmar Bergman, even as part of the agency.
	And then I worked for F. Lee Bailey on the show, Lie Detector, good training as a segment producer.
	And then it was the Transformers show over at Marvel Productions.
	Stan Lee was at Marvel, the animation team then, and I was production coordinator.
	79 half-hour episodes of the Transformers show.
	Incredible.
	From then, writing Star Wars books for Lucasfilm.
	Wrote six of those.
	Did you?
	I never knew that.
	Published all around the world, many languages.
	Sold millions of copies.
	And you can still find them.
	It begins with The Love of Darth Vader, The Lost City of the Jedi, Zorba the Hutt's Revenge, Mission from Mount Yoda, Queen of the Empire, and Prophets of the Dark Side.
	And around when those books started coming out, in the early 1990s, director Jeremy Kagan, and I finally got Roswell, the movie, off the ground for Showtime.
	That was a big effort, but it was so successful, I think ultimately important, in getting the message of what happened at Roswell out across the whole world.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Very, very well thought of movie.
	Nobody might do the same for John Irwin.
	That's the message he's getting.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, I mean, I hope you're not going to set aside your skills as a producer, and I'm not sure you consider yourself a director, but...
	Oh, I've directed a lot of these films.
	Oh, yeah?
	Okay.
	You know, Starry Night was a story with actors that I wrote.
	Before We Say Goodbye, actually, all Hispanic cast.
	Based on a stage play.
	And then a lot of documentaries.
	The Sci-Fi Boys, The Artist and the Shaman.
	Timothy Leary's Dead.
	Really?
	I did the bio pic of Timothy Leary with him the year that he died.
	Wow.
	And it showed at lots of major festivals, including Toronto, Venice.
	So, you know, I'm focusing on the fine arts right now.
	I mean, if the right project comes together...
	But let's face it, the business has changed massively from what I came into.
	Well, actually, that's where I wanted to go with you.
	It's not a business for independence anymore as a business.
	It's amazing.
	What's going on, though?
	I mean, I've heard this, and I used to work in Hollywood, actually, for 20 years.
	I've been away from it for quite a while.
	I always toy with the idea of going back.
	But what I'm hearing right now about what's happening with independence is it's almost impossible to get in there.
	It's game over to checkmate, because the business has changed.
	Now, I will say, because everyone has access to technology to make their own film now, and for very low budgets, that people who have a motivation to do it and don't care about making a profit can make their own movie and have it seen by lots that people who have a motivation to do it and don't care about making But my point is, that's great for education, it's great if you have a message, like for UFOs, but it's a hobby.
	It's not a business.
	DVD sales are down massively, pay for streaming, which we thought would be the revenue stream that would replace DVDs.
	People are used to getting it for free.
	They get it for free.
	It's either out-and-out piracy, file sharing.
	We live in a world now where the technology has outpaced the existing economic model so completely.
	It's like the giant...
	Ross Perot used to talk about, when he ran for president, the giant sucking sound of all the jobs going outside the United States.
	Here the giant sucking sound is, it's Google, it's YouTube.
	Nobody can really assert ownership of what they create anymore in the same way.
	You work on something for four or five years, it can be your life's baby.
	You can spend a few hundred thousand, you can spend several million.
	And everyone in the world thinks they own it as soon as they've got the file.
	And to stop its free distribution so that you can try to make some money off of it is a full-time job.
	And you can't do it.
	Nobody wants to be a policeman.
	The Indian Channel TV Asia was so totally hacked that they weren't getting any revenue stream from it, so they then sent out a block to stop anybody who'd hacked from watching it.
	But then they found nobody was watching.
	So they then had to re-enable the hack, so that people would at least watch the channel.
	So they lost the revenue on that, completely.
	But if they tried to get revenue, they wouldn't get any viewers.
	Well, I'll give you one example.
	A fellow named Tim Crawford used to come to every one of these UFO Congresses, and he'd have a few hundred DVDs that his company, UFO Video, or New Science Ideas, was another company, put out.
	He put out some of mine through the years.
	We used to make money.
	He doesn't even come here with DVDs anymore.
	People are not buying the DVDs.
	What he's doing now, he's created a channel on YouTube.
	He gives it away for free.
	He sells advertising.
	The revenue is way down.
	Maybe he can make a living at that, but the producers can't anymore.
	And with Netflix also, you might sell a license to Netflix for a fairly small amount of money, nothing that's going to recoup your costs, and they'll have it for a couple of years or a few years and millions of people can see it.
	Where is the economic justice in that?
	There isn't any.
	So...
	It's no longer business.
	And the point also is it's not just happening to movies now like it did to music.
	It's happening to books.
	PDF files of books which are pirated and available free online.
	Even new things.
	I know a major magazine publisher who says that now they're putting my magazine online.
	And he says, you know, I'll call up these guys and I'll say, you get that off.
	Or, in an hour, I own you.
	Nice threat.
	He can call his lawyer, he can play that out for a few years.
	There's no satisfaction in it.
	What does it mean?
	It means, because it can't be stopped, it can't be changed, unless something is invented whereby copyright owners can protect their own material again.
	Until that happens, and it may never, We now live in a world where more and more people are taking it for granted that all information and media is free to be seen.
	You've taken away the profit motivation for the serious people who produce it so they're gonna stop producing it.
	What is the motivation to spend a few years writing a book When you can't get Oranti off of it anymore because there aren't any more bookstores and now the Barnes and Nobles have closed to follow the borders and crown books and every other one.
	We're moving into a new phase which I don't possibly see how this can have a good ending for mankind's culture.
	When you look to the future, when you look for the dissemination of new creativity, ideas, books, films, movies, if it's only advertising that drives it, budgets are going to have to go down and down and down, TV's making less on advertising, we have DVR now, people don't even watch the ads, they record it.
	We don't have a business model for it anymore.
	One thing it does mean is, since there's such a massive amount of culture from the last hundred years, books that many are now, you know, from the classics or old TV shows, novels, things that never would be out there anymore, people can get that now.
	Yes, well, it's interesting that the deputy head of Murdoch's Empire, Gary Davey, who I was speaking to last week, I was actually saying that the whole multi-channel TV model, the whole pay-per-view model has come back full circle.
	Crashing, yeah.
	No, come back full circle.
	Oh, full circle back.
	How?
	So, that's the deputy head of Murdoch's empire which created the multi-channel digital stuff.
	For him to say that, I think is very important.
	But what does he mean?
	What does he mean?
	Well, I think it means that I think they need, in order to have any value or to have anybody wanting to see and wanted a pirate and none of the copy, they've got to go back to that primary impetus that there has to be the premier publishing model where there's a need, in other words, If a major movie's got no difference to some guy's YouTube thing that they make in the backyard, it has no currency for anybody to want to watch it.
	So in order to give it currency, they have to effectively revalue the currency system, which is why they've got to reinvent the premiere first-time showing of that.
	Right.
	So everything that's on the premier is what you're saying.
	Yes, that's what I feel.
	But then, it used to be, you know, the opening weekend told the whole story.
	Now you're telling me the first showing?
	Well, no, in other words, that opening weekend, that place where it is the place, it goes like cinema.
	Everybody said cinema's dead.
	But it's not.
	But it's not.
	That's the one place where...
	You've still got traction.
	I mean, when you look at the revenues of the big studios, and I think Universal last year was like an all-time high.
	I mean, people can watch a movie on that and they'll enjoy it, but they still want to go to the big screen.
	There is still...
	There's a huge audience still for the big movie, particularly the franchise.
	The characters that people know, whether they're the superheroes or whether they're the literary characters people know about from The Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit to Harry Potter.
	Well, I think sci-fi is still a huge market, even new sci-fi.
	Here's the comparison.
	Football's a good comparison.
	How many people are going to watch the football game on TV? But do you think one person who gets into that stadium with a ticket would trade his ticket to watch it on TV? They won't.
	Exactly.
	And so you still have this great experience of seeing something on a huge screen...
	3D is exciting.
	3D IMAX. So you still have that market, but all of the secondary markets...
	From then on, have been clobbered.
	Yeah.
	In the same way that ocean liners, who on earth would ever think that with the invention of the jet, that people would still want to get into a ship.
	Yeah.
	A big, slow ship.
	If they want to eat.
	If they want to eat.
	But the point is, I think new markets equalize and they change and they have to adapt.
	Yeah.
	But for me...
	I don't see it as a two-edged sword.
	I see it as a one-edged sword, and it's like being in a business where your head is chopped off, frankly.
	I don't see anything redeeming for the independent producer.
	I've been an independent producer making films for the last 12 years.
	13 years.
	Five of them distributed to Universal Television, NBC. So they got out there around the world, and that's what kept me in business, frankly.
	It wasn't DVD sales.
	It wasn't streaming.
	It was just a television.
	But as those opportunities received for the smaller viewers, I think something is going to be lost.
	Now, I don't know whether the larger market of viewers out there is really going to care or even notice If they don't get movies like Jesus in Indiana, Timothy Leary's Dead, and the Life After Death Project, Well, I don't know.
	I mean, I think at this moment what we're also seeing is TV sort of channels that are starting to buy up all of these things and then have a subscription model to where a person has to subscribe.
	I subscribe to Hulu Plus and Netflix because I can get access to all the different movies I want to get access to or TV shows right when they're out.
	But the people at our end, the creatives, are the ones that are going to suffer the most.
	Getting clobbered.
	Just getting put out of business in droves.
	And so, I mean, there's a food chain here.
	You have to look down the chain.
	But it's not just that the producer's being put out of business, but everybody who relies on that producer for work.
	It's like when you have a strike in Hollywood.
	We've all experienced the long writer's strike where the hotels are getting clobbered and the restaurants and everybody who works in the industry.
	We've just lost one of our channels here.
	How are we doing over here?
	Have we lost the connection?
	Do we have a picture?
	I don't see anything here.
	We've run out of time on that.
	I want to say I want to hear the...
	Oh, it's the Wi-Fi went down.
	I want to hear the panel discussion that's going to go on, so we'll wrap up shortly.
	Yeah, we need to...
	How is the sound on that?
	Would it have been okay?
	- Docs for Docs for. - We've got several ways to get this out. - What?
	- Yeah, we're down.
	- All right, wrap. - You got plenty.
	Well, we talked about the changes.
	We talked about the problems.
	I think it's going to be up to the next generation to find food as well.
	But I think your analogy with food change is very important because all the nature's done is already.
	So maybe if you look at that and see how the big fish and the small fish...
	The shoals, the fish, whatever.
	Take away the bees, the fertilization, and look at all the downstream impacts.
	And so there's a lot of people making a living, who have been making a living, who are not going to be able to do that anymore.
	So, Miles.
	Okay, good.
	Good.
	Good, Chad.
	Last question, Camelot.
	We're re-running later.
	I want to thank everyone very much.
	We actually had to shut this down here.
	We want to thank Paul.
	Thank you.
	Enjoy.
	And we will encourage people to come out and see your paintings and hope that you maybe get a chance to make another movie or two.
	Yeah, and I'm at PaulDavid's and a hyphen artist dot com.
	Excellent.
	And it's David's, David with an S. All right.
	Thank you very much, Paul.
	Thank you.
	Okay, thank you so much for having us, for making it possible to broadcast on your channel over there.
	We've got a copy over here.
	We've got a copy on livestream.
	We'll put it on YouTube.
	We've had some very interesting discussions.
	I want to thank Miles Johnston for coming on the show.
	Yes, Gary, it's an absolute pleasure to see you and to be part of what you're doing.
	Thank you.
	And it's been a tremendous positive impulse.
	May we all get ourselves together to work this problem on?
	Absolutely.
	Onward and upward, we've got a lot of brilliant minds out there, a lot of energetic people, a lot of new energy coming from the youth.
	So let's think positively and figure that we can turn this whole thing around.
	And thanks to John Irwin for butting in just on schedule.
	On cue.
	On cue.
	Alright, alright.

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