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Feb. 7, 2014 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: CHIP TATUM & STEW WEBB : PEGASUS

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	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right, it looks like we're it looks like we're live.
	Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here with Gene Chip Tatum, a very notorious character as far as I can tell after all my research.
	And I've got Stu Webb who is well known in his own right let's say and is becoming more well known as time goes on I think.
	I don't know if you like that description, Stu, but I would say it's pretty accurate.
	And you're now writing for Veterans Today, is that right?
	Yes, that's true.
	Okay.
	And you guys have hung out together for a very long time.
	You sent me interviews that you did back in the 90s, right?
	Yeah, we did quite a few.
	I don't remember how many we did, but I remember that Gene had asked me to introduce him into the radio world, and I think we did together probably at least 500, but I think you did another 500, didn't you, Gene?
	Something like that.
	Yeah, you like it, yeah, because you helped Nancy, and Nancy picked up and started scheduling interviews, so...
	Yeah, after the first initial one, getting no one into the Patriots community needed to be.
	Okay.
	Skeptical of, you know, new faces.
	Alright, so what we're going to do here, I know you guys are making the circuit, and I know that you were on the Stephen Kelly show, and I know you've been out there on various other radio shows, so I'm going to try not to go over old material so much as try to go down some new and interesting roads, if we can possibly manage that.
	And what I'd like to do is, first of all, let's give you an introduction, Gene.
	And do you want me to call you Chip or Gene?
	Chip, please.
	My father was Gene.
	I'm a junior.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So, Chip, I see you have a very illustrious background working for the Cabal for a number of years.
	And...
	You were there in the early days, right?
	Yes.
	And so you were inside, down and dirty, and you were involved in delivering coolers full of drugs to Clinton, and all this stuff is very notorious, and it's been out there for a while.
	Obviously, that is going to be known, I think, to at least my listening audience, and I know you haven't had time to look at Project Camelot, But I just want to prepare you since I don't think maybe Stu did that Project Camelot is notorious in its own right.
	We have quite a wide audience, but we have an audience that's very into investigating black projects, going down the rabbit hole, call it what you will.
	And so they're very well aware of things like underground bases, Jupiter Island, and so on.
	Right?
	But we're happy to hear more and we're happy to learn more at any time.
	So I do relish this opportunity to actually speak with somebody who's been behind those closed doors as long as you have.
	And you've obviously paid your dues.
	You must have had a million opportunities to possibly Face death, I guess.
	And you've also been something of a hitman, although I don't know if that was your overt title.
	Would you agree with that, or how would you phrase it?
	More of an overt title.
	There have been lives taken, personally, but mostly through the teams.
	Okay.
	So you actually started out in the military, right?
	That's correct.
	Young Air Force combat control work.
	Okay, and you ended up being something of an unusual special forces guy that maybe had some different, I don't know, skills, talents?
	Wrong place at the wrong time.
	That's how I ended up in Red Rock.
	Okay, and Red Rock is where?
	Red Rock was an operation out of Thailand in Cambodia in 1971.
	Okay, now, at a certain point in your trajectory, they actually tried to take you out, right?
	A couple times, a couple different entities.
	Okay, but there was a group of you, and you'd actually done an operation, and I forget whether it was for Colby or for Casey.
	You refresh my memory, but...
	And at some point, they then actually, you did the operation, and then they wanted to take out your whole group, and they actually succeeded with a number of you, right?
	Right.
	11 of the 13 of us were captured, or 11 of the 13 of us were killed.
	Two of us walked away from that particular operation.
	That was Operation Red Rock.
	It was a military operation based out of NKP Thailand, going into Cambodia, posing as sappers, Viet Cong, Blowing up the Cambodian Air Force in Phnom Penh and leaving actual dead sappers on the ground.
	We were to be picked up at a pickup zone and the aircraft never showed.
	So was that in essence the way, was it by neglect or were you just supposed to get out of there alive after that?
	It was by design.
	However, President Haig wouldn't hear of it once he found out what the design was and ensured that we were found what was left of us.
	Okay.
	So you were, correct me, you were pretty good friends with, wasn't it Casey?
	Colby.
	Oh, Colby.
	Okay.
	Dr.
	Colby, yes.
	Okay, now.
	Back then we called him Ambassador Colby, so.
	Okay.
	Didn't Colby die under mysterious circumstances?
	A canoe accident?
	Very, very, very mysterious.
	You know, he's not one that would go in the canoe without a life vest on.
	They found the canoe flipped over and his body...
	They say he had drowned, but there's even questions as to whether he had actually drowned.
	Very mysterious circumstances.
	Just preceding the investigation.
	There's someone that I can't mention, but Gene knows who they are, that's a friend of mine, one of many of his loved ones.
	In that level.
	But he had indicated, Colby, at the time that he had disappeared, there was a gap.
	If you remember, I think it was one to two, maybe three days before they found his body from when he went missing.
	They took him to the torture, what they call the torture chamber down in Atlanta, Georgia, and took him down there to squeeze some information.
	And what it was about, I don't know, but this is the word I got on this.
	So that's what happened, and they took him back and dunked him in the river.
	So, he got tortured and beaten a little bit, for information, by Daddy Bush crowd before he was disposed of.
	So, this is kind of a pattern.
	It is interesting to me because what happens is Casey died of a tumor, brain tumor, supposedly.
	I think it was a day or two days before he was supposed to testify to the Iran-Contra situation, right?
	Absolutely right.
	And that is also too convenient for my taste.
	Sorry?
	Well, my understanding is that Daddy Bush showed up at CIA headquarters the day that he was supposed to testify, and took a needle to shove it in his temple, and that was the end of KHC. And while he was laying on in Bethesda Hospital, they had the floor above him closed off and the floor below him closed off.
	And for two weeks, he only had four or five visitors.
	I know somebody that went visiting during that period of time, said he was talking about everything.
	He still had memory.
	He was telling the nurses and telling the doctors all the secrets.
	Well, it's interesting if anybody ever wanted to really do an investigation of this and really write a report on it.
	All the doctors and all the nurses committed suicide or were killed in car crashes within six months after his death.
	Okay, very, very interesting.
	Well, you know, I have a list of questions that would probably go on for several days because of who we've got here.
	And I know that the Camelot audience may not even appreciate all the things that you could possibly know and have some...
	Even peripheral knowledge of.
	And so it's probably going to annoy some people that I'm going to jump around a lot occasionally.
	But I do want to give you a chance to kind of like give a spiel.
	Say, you know, something about yourself.
	Something you want people to know.
	Kind of where you're at right now.
	Why you're coming forward again.
	Because you came forward.
	You were on the circuit.
	Then you left town.
	You went to, I believe, South America.
	You were there for what?
	The last ten years?
	Nine years, yes.
	Okay.
	And you see, I did my homework, right?
	Right.
	And so then you came back, and I don't know why you came back.
	I'm curious about that.
	So feel free to fill us in.
	And you've got Stu Webb here.
	He's kind of introducing you around again, so to speak, at least as far as the media is concerned.
	And Stu is certainly...
	put himself front and center, at least Gordon Duff has helped him by putting him on Veterans Today and basically, in a certain sense, I think honoring him for the work he's done in the past and for his investigation over these many, to bring forward the truth about you know the Satanism and the mortgage scandals and the Bush cabal etc etc you're an insider from way back
	So can you talk about, you know, just why you're here now, what you think you might achieve, and where you think we're at?
	Sure.
	Well, let me start back when I left.
	When I left, I had promised...
	The audiences that I'd be here for a year and a half, two years.
	When that time came up, it was time to leave.
	I left.
	The Department of Homeland Security was able to trace me to the Bahamas, and then from there they lost me.
	And I just went south and started a new life.
	I lived down there for a little over nine years, started a new family.
	In March of 2012, I had the gift of having a new son, and I needed to get documents for him.
	I went to the embassy, and the embassy was pretty good about getting everything together for me, but they said, you know, you're going to have to go back to the United States to get all the rest of the documents.
	There's no way that you can get them without your signatures.
	So I decided, and I decided to turn myself in at the embassy, arrange I was just disembarking the plane.
	Everyone got up to get off of the plane and came up to the platform and the stewardess opened the door.
	The flight attendant opened the door and the whole group was standing there and they handed her a note and explained to her to have everyone sit down and they called my name out over the intercom to please come forward.
	So I knew what it was all about.
	I came forward, they frisked me, handcuffed me, and marched me right through the center of everything so everyone could see this huge criminal who had only violated probation marching through with all these federal officers. - Cheers.
	Okay, and then what happened to you?
	That was my glorious return to the United States.
	We thought that I would receive a couple months in jail and then no more probation.
	The judge in charge of the case said that he wouldn't hear of it, that I tended to wander and didn't respect the laws of the United States government, and so he He sentenced me to 11 more months in prison for violation of probation and 25 months of federal probation.
	I got out of prison in January last year, was sent to a halfway house, same as Mary Seal did.
	I was kind of nervous about that part of it, I'll tell you that now.
	From the halfway house, I was released from the halfway house in April and now I'm living here in Florida on probation for 25 months.
	Okay, what happened to your family during the time when you were picked up and whisked off to prison so quickly?
	They're still in Columbia.
	Oh, wow.
	So, we have property down there.
	She's on the property, unfortunately.
	You know, two years is a long time and things didn't quite work out for her and I. But my son's still there and I'm still working at getting everything together for him.
	I met someone here through Facebook, and she was instrumental in getting...
	I had no intention of coming forward and talking anymore.
	But Stacy was instrumental in saying, you know, what you had to say then has even more significance now, because many of the things you said before have happened.
	They are here.
	It wasn't the same timing that you anticipated, but it has happened.
	We need to hear more, and you need...
	You need to get this word out even farther.
	You've only told a little bit about what you know.
	Bring it all out.
	Open your mouth, Tatum, is what she said.
	So I'm here to open my mouth a little bit.
	Okay.
	He is a columnist.
	Oh, great.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	And I'm sorry, I don't mean to snub you here, Stu, but we're going to try to...
	We're going to try to go down the road with Gene Chip Tatum here and see if we can flesh out a bit of his story for the listeners, and then we can sort of bring you in gradually, if you don't mind.
	No problem, because there's a lot of things I'd like to, you know, that I'm knowledgeable about what Gene has done, so I think new subjects here we could bring up in whatever time.
	That would be excellent, and I know you can contribute some back-channel information as well, because I know you're, both of you sort of things dovetail, especially when you get to Colorado, right?
	Your stories, I heard that interview where those stories really do come together to some degree.
	With the whole mortgage scandal and all that.
	Alright, well, what I'd like to ask you, because before we get any further down this road, I'd like to know, Stu Webb had told me that you were interrogated because they thought you wrote the Super Bowl terror letter that was out there.
	Yes.
	And obviously you didn't, but they did interrogate you.
	Is that correct?
	They came to me.
	I had done a posting on my website.
	I just reposted that particular item.
	They came to me because of my background and interrogated me.
	Then they realized it was simply a reposting and these federal officers and FBI had no idea, you know, Of how to trace this down, what to do.
	And I simply told them, look, here's the original letter.
	Here's who says that they received it.
	Go to them.
	All you have to do is go to them.
	Ask them for the original documents.
	You don't need to bother any of us.
	We're just relaying information.
	Right.
	Okay, well, I appreciate that because it was very nice that Stu came forward and gave me that information.
	Because if they bothered to investigate it at all, the fact that it never made the mainstream news is very, very interesting to me.
	It lends credence to the fact that that wasn't just a hoaxer, that it was somebody who actually wrote the letter with an intent to out at least what appeared to be something of a terror plot of some kind.
	I don't believe they would allow anything that they feel credible into the major media.
	You're exactly right.
	Okay.
	So just so, for everyone who's listening, I just want to sort of focus the mind a little on how these things work.
	Behind the scenes that some of these threats are absolutely legitimate, but they never come forward and let you know one way or the other.
	That basically seems to be how it goes.
	Just because we're on the subject, are you aware of any follow-up to that letter?
	Or were you clued in?
	Even, Stu, you can chime in here.
	I had sent a question to Gordon Duff during that time also.
	Basically asking if Veterans Today had heard anything.
	They never mentioned it.
	I'm just following up on the story, in essence, to say, do you know if there were any other steps made along?
	Did you hear rumors?
	Were any of your back-channel people telling you anything?
	Stu, that for you or me?
	For me, no.
	My interview is my interview.
	They heard what I had to say.
	There's a lot of concern, Kerry, right now, because I, you know, friends of mine have told me that they picked up on the fact, U.S. intelligence, and that there are terrorist activities going on.
	I mean, they're plotting and planning.
	It's mainly the Mossad.
	It's Danny Bush, Melvin, and the APEC boys, okay?
	Right.
	My cell and all that they are, you know, they're losing control over America.
	And that the Israelis are very unhappy with this.
	And, of course, they have a tremendous amount of string to hold over the U.S. Congress and Senate with all their money, and they've got 60 of their, we call them the Israeli senators up there.
	I've got their list up on recallpetitions.com if anybody wants to get involved and get rid of them.
	But there's concern because they do know that Saudi Arabia is financing al-Qaeda for Daddy Bush.
	And that is Daddy Bush's private army, George Herbert Walker Bush.
	And that they are bringing terrorists.
	Middle East kids over here, you know, many of them are Iraqis and Afghanistan people and so forth.
	They've had their wives or sons, their daughters killed, their mothers and fathers.
	They, you know, they have a revenge for America.
	So they're able to hire these kids and they're training them.
	They're bringing them over here right now.
	There are cells of them that they are aware of that are being created here in the United States right now, just in the past 45 days.
	So this terrorist event, you know, when everybody was yelling and screaming and putting it all over the internet about the Super Bowl, I thought, hmm, this may be, this may and may not be.
	But, you know, an interesting scenario happened just two weeks ago this coming Saturday, a week ago this coming Saturday, or two weeks ago this coming Saturday, which was an event in Washington.
	And if you go to Veterans Today and you eat or go to my website, stewweb.com, and look, If you look back to last Saturday morning's date, a week ago, this past Saturday, you will see a story in there about the mall shooting slash Israeli sub off the East Coast.
	And there's a post in there that is Gordon Doffs, because he's a defense contractor, and he did put in there Toys.
	In various cities over America, and he left his hat.
	Actually, they had picked up that the Israelis were planning on shooting a cruise missile on the White House on Saturday.
	They were going to bomb three malls or shoot-ups and bomb two other malls.
	And they actually caught the other two places that they were doing it.
	They could have stopped it.
	But the cover story about the balloons was there the day before on Friday on Veterans Today.
	You wish.
	I think was how they put it.
	So they were there to defend Washington, D.C. from a cruise missile attack.
	Well, then the following Monday, Gordon, the Monday a week ago, yesterday, Because they put those balloons over Washington.
	Well, we have a problem.
	We have our supposedly ally, who is actually our enemy, wanting to create wars throughout the world, wanting to drag us into a war with Syria, drag us into a war in Iran, try to stop Middle East peace talks.
	And then they want to kill Barack Obama and shoot him with a cruise missile.
	This is going to be very serious, APEC operations.
	The second is going to be doing more terrorist attacks in Syria.
	So to answer the question, could this have been a Super Bowl?
	There's a possibility that this could have been an effect behind it.
	Well, I mean, I will say that Ben Fulford did say that the Pentagon was expecting the Israelis to hit the I've learned more about Benjamin Polford since our last interview,
	but he is CIA matter of fact you know I will tell you that but I don't agree with everything he says at all I know there's an agenda I mean, there's no doubt there's an agenda with him, for sure.
	And, you know, I've met him in person, unlike a lot of people, and I can say that he does have a good heart, so if he's misled, it's because he believes, you know, he really has a good conscience.
	He's trying to follow out the right thing, I believe.
	That firmly.
	I do think he is misled, though I will say that.
	But let's move along.
	What I want to know is, in terms of the Bush cabal, where do you think they're at right now?
	Because you must be aware of the secret space program, for example.
	I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Chip.
	Do you want to admit to being aware of that?
	There are two launchpads at Kennedy.
	One NASA uses, One Aerospace Command uses.
	Okay.
	That's good.
	That's a good start.
	And so, with that in mind, what my premise is, is that a lot of what happens, you know, you talk about Iran-Contra, in the end, what they're really doing is trying to raise money.
	And they're funneling that money into black projects and taking it off-planet.
	To fund their secret space program, as well as their secret government that is, you know, fully running parallel, in essence, to the governments, the so-called governments we have on planet Earth here.
	And so what I wonder is, did you have face-to-face contact with, for example, did you go into underground bases?
	Did your travels even take you off planet back in the day?
	We've gone as far as the edge of space in Blackbirds.
	That's as far as we've gone.
	And the view is magnificent.
	I've worked in facilities that go underground in Lamar, Colorado.
	We had several levels there.
	It was supposedly an AT&T site, but it was something else.
	Many of the old silos have been renovated, had been renovated into communications facilities.
	Some of our work in OLAB Lamarck was not only working for, at the time, NORAD, but we had huge communication systems, huge antenna fields, and those antenna fields, we would receive tapes from NORAD, and we would take those tapes, put them on these huge high-power transmitters, and shoot the transmissions into space.
	And then we would sit and we would record With the receiver field, antenna field and receiver field, record those.
	Every 12 hours you can change those tapes, and those tapes would go to NORAD. Okay, so you're getting communications from off-planet as well, in other words?
	We're getting something, you know.
	What, I don't know.
	Alright, well, I mean, have you ever met a being from another planet?
	Well, I think I was married to one, but no.
	I think many men might say that, so I'm not going to...
	All right.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So in terms of, let's talk a little bit about Jupiter Island and what you called the Pegasus Group and the way it was configured back in the day.
	Do you think that that configuration, so to speak, of the Cabal...
	Where it had those certain members, the way you discussed it in the David Guyette article, which actually I've linked on my site for anyone who's interested.
	Do you think that it's still configured in the same way, or do you think it's drastically changed?
	I think the work that we had to do then, the work was pretty well completed.
	Every time we'd have a mission, every time we would, within every input, there's a reaction.
	And sometimes those reactions weren't quite what we wanted or what we expected, so we had to go back in with another mission in a different area.
	I think that they probably had attained whatever it is they were trying to get, and they've moved on into something greater.
	I really feel that there are forces out there.
	They have roots out there with technology.
	It's not we aren't we aren't as necessary With what we have sitting up in space and can use down to neutralize people.
	They don't they don't really need us Okay, that's interesting I mean, you know, it occurs to me that in a certain sense, maybe the two of you, both you and Stu and a number of others, and of course, Project CAMLA has benefited from this, and if a student didn't tell you, we specialize in interviewing people from black projects, okay, who are violating their secrecy oath and or where the oath is supposedly at least expired in some ways.
	But not in others.
	And they get away with as much as they can.
	They stay as well-known as they can.
	And our policy is, you know, the best place to hide is out in the open.
	Okay?
	And you might say that that's taking a page from the Illuminati playbook because that's actually how the Illuminati operate.
	They like to tell people before they're going to do something.
	And you must be aware of that policy, right?
	I work for them.
	And they were very good.
	Before they would make a decision what they would do, they would normally give our targets a chance.
	And if they didn't abide, if they didn't turn, if they didn't follow what was needed, then we were sent in.
	Okay.
	Can you tell me what you think, have you heard about the last, I think there are four individuals, a high level, a couple of them were bankers, one jumped off a building in London, clearly, in my view, an Illuminati hit.
	You must know a hit when you hear it, right, even in the news, right?
	What I've seen is they're taking out the weak links.
	Those who could turn and testify or talk about it, they're identifying their weak links, getting rid of them.
	Okay, I'm going to ask you a very direct question at this point.
	Would you consider Obama a weak link at this point?
	I don't think so.
	I think he's just obstinate enough to piss off the cabal.
	He doesn't seem to be following their playbook.
	Right.
	Well, wouldn't that make him a weak link?
	No, no, no.
	Because I don't think he'd turn on him.
	Oh, you don't?
	I think he'd put his own little group together and go after him.
	That's what I think.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	Are you completely retired at this time?
	Well, no.
	I have my little communications company.
	But other than that, yes.
	They don't have enough money.
	Who doesn't, they don't have enough money to offer you, you mean to bring you back?
	That's correct.
	Okay, so what I was kind of talking about in a certain sense is the idea that what they do seem to do is turn on their own after a certain period of time, right?
	So they are all loyal for all this time, and then at some point down the line, I'm not sure exactly what it is.
	I don't think that these people, Colby and Casey, suddenly grow consciences I mean, maybe you can contradict me there, but I don't understand what it is that makes these people want to go out and eliminate these guys.
	Why would they suddenly grow a conscience after all these years?
	It's not a conscience, it's paranoia.
	Paranoia sets in.
	When you do that for so long, you get paranoid that what if something went wrong?
	So that's what it is.
	So the paranoia is on the part of the bush cabal or that they therefore go eliminate what they are afraid might be weak?
	They've done so much through the years and such horrendous acts that it's not guilt, it's paranoia.
	Fear of being cut.
	Okay.
	Right now, are you aware of what people are talking about in terms of the dinar and the financial system and a reboot and all of this kind of thing?
	I've read a little bit of what Stu has put out there, or Stu or one of the others on one of the sites.
	I don't know if it was Stu or Danar.
	I've read a little bit, but not a whole lot.
	Okay, but have you heard the rumblings of what they plan to do along these lines?
	I have heard the rumblings.
	Okay, and do you think that they will actually do it?
	I don't know.
	I honestly don't know.
	I haven't studied it deep enough.
	You know, I've been...
	I've been kept pretty busy with Veterans Today getting the articles out in the last few weeks.
	Anything financial, I'm going to throw off to Stu.
	Don't do that.
	On the Denard, though, let me put it this way.
	It's a fictitious game that occurred.
	A lot of people got ripped off over what's been the past 8 or 10 years.
	A bunch of scamsters came in and they said, look, oh, the Denard.
	We know there's going to be a It's sitting on the ground in value.
	It's going to skyrocket, and Daddy Bush is behind it, and the New World Order and all this.
	Oh, I'll sign this piece of paper right here, and I'll sell you $1,000 worth of denards.
	So people are handing them $1,000 and handing them $10 to $100 worth of denards.
	And it's a scam.
	Now, with that said, anybody can go to the state of Florida in any of the newspapers and see that And it's still a scam that's going on, and these patriots out here that were stupid enough to invest in this and buy into this scam, think that their money's gonna come one day and they keep pushing Drake the Fakes and all these other fakes, They're all still behind this and still push this.
	The U.S. attorneys have put four people in jail, one of them for 25 years for this scam, and they've still got two of them getting ready to go to trial now.
	So, with that said, when the United States government's involved in their prosecution for ripping off these people in a financial scam, couldn't people get it in their head?
	What's the matter with these people out here on Facebook pushing all the time and all these other places and listening to Drake the Bank and his Denard Scam?
	I mean, come on.
	So Denard Scam has been turned over.
	Did you have a head with a baseball bat or what?
	Okay, okay.
	They got the Denard Scandal.
	Now they need something new, so now they have the Bitcoin thing going on.
	I see that a lot.
	I see that going upside down on people also.
	Oh, you do?
	Okay, well, why do you?
	Um...
	I know a lot of people who are building the servers and the software, and those are easily hackable.
	Okay.
	And how close did you get to understanding the surveillance sort of back-end, you know, that whole sort of infrastructure, if you will, that the NSA is involved in and Echelon and, you know, Promise Software?
	How much do you know about that?
	Part of our teams, you know, we had several different types of teams.
	We had technology teams.
	We would fly these people to several countries.
	They would go in.
	They would use that software.
	They would hack banks.
	One particular neutralization we did was in France.
	A French politician.
	They wanted that politician to vote a certain way.
	We went in with this team.
	They hacked into the bank.
	They took that politician's money.
	The politician was told to vote a certain way and support and get his whole party behind this.
	Otherwise, he'd never see his money again.
	He got his money back.
	Right.
	Well, look, anyone watching this is going to say, why is this guy out there talking?
	Isn't he afraid he's going to get bumped off tomorrow?
	I mean, don't you feel on some level, I mean, are you going by the Camelot policy of, you know, the best place to hide is out in the open, and you figure the more famous you get, the less likely they can bump you off without questions?
	Or are you protected?
	Are you working for somebody who's protecting you?
	I mean, what do you feel?
	Well, let me give you a name.
	Gary Webb.
	He was pretty well out there, wasn't he?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And what happened?
	Right.
	I mean, we know about Gary Webb, and for those that don't know...
	That's not a way to protect yourself.
	Believe me, I was one of the guys who would go after those guys.
	Okay.
	That's not going to protect you.
	You have to have insurance.
	I have insurance.
	I have videotapes.
	I have audio tapes.
	I have documents.
	I've placed those in eight places around the world.
	And if I really die...
	They will come out.
	One thing that I believe that happened in the reporting of my death is I believe some people tried to report my death and try to get those documents to come out.
	Oh, wow.
	That's what I feel.
	Okay, cool.
	Just out of curiosity, I did ask you if you personally had gone off planet.
	I don't think you answered my question.
	I've gone to the edge of space is all.
	Where's the edge of space?
	140, 150,000 feet.
	Have you met any of the astronauts?
	We flew with some.
	We flew support missions in Nassau.
	Actually spoke to astronauts in the Apollo program in Guam.
	We were one of the transmitting communication stations that received the transmissions, set them up and then forwarded them back to Houston.
	And several of the pilots flying They're tactical missions and so forth in between the actual Apollo and shuttle missions, yes.
	And they've told me some stories and they have their own photos and a lot of those photos that people say are fake that are on the internet that these astronauts say were their own, they're theirs.
	Okay.
	How's your memory?
	Getting worse.
	Well, the reason I ask, are you aware of mind control?
	I mean, it seems like a no-brainer, but...
	I know that they had the MKUltra program.
	We didn't actually use that ourselves.
	We had drugs, and the drugs were the best thing in the world that we could use.
	We had scopolamine, and whenever we needed to get some information and do anything, we used the Buradanga and scopolamine, and it worked great.
	We could keep it If you could toast them, they could go blind or die.
	We only have one happen that.
	Was it the Coca-Cola chairman, Gene, one of them?
	Trading a land swap?
	Millman and Daddy Bush, Neil, on that police property for some Florida DuPont property?
	Isn't that the way it worked?
	Adolfo Calero.
	Yes, he was.
	Tell the story, and I'm not meaning to interrupt your show, Gary.
	It's an interesting story.
	I'm the subject he just spoke of.
	The drill.
	Okay.
	You want to tell the story, Gene?
	Well, it's in the Pegasus article, you know.
	Right.
	It's probably easier for a person to read than for me to try to give the history behind it and bring it all the way down through.
	Guy Ed did a pretty good job at explaining it.
	Okay.
	So, what about the Philippines?
	You aware of the gold in the Philippines?
	No.
	No?
	I know we were asked to bring gold out of Brunei several times.
	Pallets.
	Right.
	What about any area of Indonesia?
	Did you get involved in Sukarno?
	We flew a couple C-141 loads of money out of Indonesia for a general.
	This was years ago.
	And most recently, just getting off the subject a little bit, I see Raptors.
	A whole squadron of our F-22 Raptors have just been sent Interesting.
	Why do they need to be in Japan?
	What's over there?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, I mean, I have a certain theory about what's going on with Japan.
	I think that, well, first of all, I know that Fukushima was a direct hit.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	And I am also aware that, apparently, according to Richard Allen Miller, a very interesting physicist, by the way, do you know who he is?
	No, I don't.
	Okay, well, he's worked in black projects as well.
	And I'm going to start running some names by you as we go through this little discussion we're having.
	So then you can tell me whether or not you know these people.
	And I'll try to believe you when you say you don't.
	But at any rate...
	Basically, what he talks about is that in Fukushima, that basically the Japanese were being blackmailed, that there's a certain amount of gold that's still hidden that they know about, that the U.S. and China want their hands on.
	That the Stuxnet virus was used to bring down Fukushima along with some charges that were put in the, you know, undersea and all that.
	But the bottom line is that the Emperor has not folded yet and that they did go and buy the Kamkatsha Islands from Russia.
	And I'm thinking they paid the Russians with gold and that China is not very happy about it.
	And I believe there's still some more hidden gold that the U.S. and China are still trying to get out of the hands of the Japanese.
	Would you know anything about that?
	I just know that China has never been very happy with the Kamchatka Peninsula, that whole area, you know, and the incidents over there.
	But other than that, no.
	Been gone a long time.
	Okay, what about Russia?
	Have you been dealing with Russia at all?
	I have dealt with Russia.
	I've dealt with Putin.
	Oh yeah?
	What do you think about Putin?
	Because a lot of people pay him a lot of compliments.
	I don't feel quite that way about him.
	I wondered how you feel.
	I don't like him.
	Do you trust him?
	However, and I have friends.
	I have friends that are in Russia who are Russians.
	One is an intelligence officer.
	They don't care for the way he's doing business.
	What I see him doing is, I see him power-broken.
	That's all I see.
	I see him doing things to bolster himself in the world community so that he's a more powerful man and will have more influence in areas as he's going forward.
	That's how I read it.
	However, I have friends who tell me, you're wrong, he's a good guy, he's a good guy.
	I don't agree.
	Okay.
	What about the Snowden thing?
	Do you think Snowden was...
	he has a code name according to one of my secret witnesses who talks about him.
	He says he's called Snowbird.
	What do you think about that?
	I haven't decided on the Snowden issue yet.
	As a military officer, I had my feelings on confidentiality on certain things.
	You know, you can only go so far.
	And when you think that it hit critical mass, you have to do something.
	Sometimes we make the right decision.
	Sometimes we make the wrong decision.
	And sometimes we're used.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, I would choose the last one.
	Z? If I may, Kerry.
	Remember, what has Snowden revealed?
	Nothing that hasn't been revealed by other whistleblowers during this 2000 time frame.
	Right.
	Okay?
	There's nothing new there that he has really revealed.
	But look at the Mossad.
	War stopped by the United States military.
	Put a stop to Syria.
	Put a stop to Iran.
	Embarrassed Obama.
	Embarrassed Harry.
	Embarrassed Israel that wanted the war.
	And Daddy Bush.
	And the Zionist Daddy Bush crowd that controls America.
	What do they do all of a sudden?
	Couldn't this be a little rouged out here that they're playing a little game?
	Just think about it a little bit deeper.
	I can't say too much of what I know, but I'd point your finger to Israel and the connections there with Snow.
	Okay?
	Look, if we're going to look at the NSA scandals and the illumination that, wow, the NSA is spying on everyone, they've always been spying on everyone.
	We had Echelon before.
	They've just got better stuff now.
	If you don't want it heard, don't say it.
	It's that simple.
	That's what we've always done.
	Here's the real kicker about what they can do, is through your TV, through your computer, and through your telephone or your cell phone, with that new base in Utah, Bluffdale, Utah, it's got six floors below ground, one floor above ground, There's more computers on one floor than Washington, D.C. has combined.
	They were going to use another floor of computers to run drones over the whole world.
	That's the reason of all the computers.
	But the interesting part is there's a secret alien base runs from Bluffdale all the way down to Richfield, Utah, just north by 70 there, on the north end there, and out in the middle of the desert, and it's all intertwined.
	They actually could program you based on what you watch on TV, what you're doing on the internet, what you're looking at on the internet, what you're saying on your telephone, and they can actually program you and make an assassin just like they did with the naval yard shooter.
	He said he had been being targeted.
	And they know that it was Israeli Mossad because they were paying us back for stopping the war in Syria and stopping the war in Iran that the Israelis wanted to pull off.
	So that was one of the reasons they hit the Naval Yard at the time and programmed this guy.
	But the point is...
	Okay, well, I was just at Sundance.
	I was just in Utah.
	And I also can tell you that we went out as part of our television pilot.
	We went out to the...
	Sort of Bluffdale area, Dugway, and we're shooting out there.
	And it's the one day of our shoot that the entire shoot was wiped off.
	The cinematographers did not believe they were Hollywood cinematographers.
	We warned them.
	We said they're going to delete footage if they don't like what's going on.
	And sure enough, they erased the whole day worth of work and we had to go back and do it again.
	EM weapons are great.
	Let me show everyone out there the best way to protect yourself from them using your phone against you.
	That's the only way.
	If your battery's in, whether it's turned on or turned off, if your battery's in, they can get in.
	Yeah, and people do know that.
	If you have a SIM card, you've got to pull the SIM card out as well, right behind the battery slip, the SIM card out.
	And I've been walking around with this for 10 years.
	This is a lead-lined wallet.
	Okay?
	Any shop you can get them at, any photo shop, they're lead-lined.
	Both sides of it.
	You're easy for those satellites to find them, carrying all that lead on you.
	Okay, and then they start implanting you.
	So just out of curiosity, are you aware of what we call my labs, military abductions?
	No.
	No?
	We black bag people.
	Is that the same thing?
	No, I just wondered whether you were ever used to work in that area.
	Since you seem to do a lot of pickups and deliveries.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So most of your pickups and deliveries were not of human beings.
	It was gold, cocaine, heroin.
	No, it was human beings.
	That's called black bagging.
	Go in, put a black bag over their head, take them out, and deliver them somewhere.
	Okay.
	Are you worried that your time may be, you know, up soon?
	I mean, do you feel that, you know, aside from the fact that you have sort of an insurance policy, Is there some other reason why you might be coming forward at this time?
	I mean, I get the story about your current...
	I don't know if it's a wife or a girlfriend, but giving you good advice coming forward, and I appreciate that.
	Is it something to do with also a sense...
	I mean, for example...
	One thing that happens to me when I interview whistleblowers and people that worked in above-top secret areas is almost without fail, they have a very good, you might call it a sixth sense, you might call it psychic ability, whatever heightened psychic perception.
	Do you feel like you have those kinds of talents?
	You know, we were sent in the 70s to a place off Alaska called Anchitka.
	Several of us and there was a nuclear explosion there and we were to Monitor electromagnetic waves during that ever since then Several of us have been felt differently.
	We've kept in contact over the years and we just you know, I just know I Can't say how I know but I know it's not time.
	Okay.
	It's not it's just not time to shut up Okay Okay, what about things to do with, for example, what they call the second sun?
	You know, there's a small mini solar system supposedly moving into ours.
	Things about incoming objects, planetaries, etc.
	Did you ever hear things about this, understand what was going on with that?
	I had a nice little briefings from some friends about a month ago, and it was concerning ISON, concerning the waves.
	Even though the mass is destroyed, the waves aren't destroyed and the energies aren't destroyed.
	And now what we see is we see, you know, all of our aircraft, everything that we do anymore aren't flown by cable.
	They're flown by electronics.
	And we're seeing a lot of emergency landings.
	We're seeing a lot of problems with these aircraft that are high altitude.
	And so I have to feel that there are waves coming in.
	We have the reverse magnetism of the sun right now in its 12-year cycle and other things coming.
	It has to affect us.
	I feel, yes, I feel definitely.
	And these guys, to brief me, are military.
	And they're concerned.
	And the same thing here.
	We're getting ready to go into a belt in this meteor belt.
	It's going to be enormous in March.
	I mean, it's going to be huge.
	And we're less than a month away from this.
	So, you know, this old flyby, you know, a lot of people don't know this, but I think it was a month and a half ago, one of our U.S. military satellites were hit with an asteroid, destroyed, and actually, this was a month and a half ago, and I never reported on it because I was told this was a month and a half ago, and I never reported on it because I was told just not to put it out at the time, but cell phones all
	That's where the NSA was diverting your call through their military satellite and downloading them back into your, you know, wherever your service was.
	So they could bug your phone, you know, but phones were down for So, we've got a lot of problems coming with those afterwards, and we had two misses.
	I mean, one went between the Earth at 25,000 miles out.
	All the satellites are out about 23,500 miles, and another one flew past us back in, when was it?
	November.
	And it was good size.
	So, we've got some problems coming.
	Okay, along those lines, work with me here a minute, actually, Chip.
	What I want to know is, you know, you worked for this cabal for a very long time, and You know, on a certain level a bird doesn't change its feathers.
	So how is it that you rationalize the work that you did for them during that time?
	Did they give you some kind of basis from which to operate?
	In other words, to think you were doing the right thing, for example, for your country, for Humanity, did they believe that they were working towards anything whatsoever that was positive or did you have a, you know, I don't know, come to Jesus moment or whatever you want to call it?
	You know, when you go in the military, you're a young military fighting man, you're there, you're gung-ho, you're put through training, you come out and you know you're there for the defense of your country.
	But as you move up through the ranks, and this could be in any job, not just the military, as you move up through the ranks, you see that what you were taught in the beginning may very well not be the truth.
	And so as time went on, truth started coming forward for me, and I started seeing who we were really working for.
	And I started seeing it really had nothing to do with defending the United States of America.
	It had to do with filling the pockets and filling the need for greed for these people we were working for.
	And my come to Jesus moment was the day that they ordered in Jupiter Island, they wanted me to, our team, to neutralize Perot.
	And we turned that down.
	It wasn't to kill Perot.
	Let me explain that to everyone.
	Everyone sees these orders on the internet.
	That was for Enrique Bermudez.
	That's what that was for.
	And that was done.
	And he no longer lives.
	He no longer breathes.
	We did it.
	The order on Perot, they wanted him neutralized.
	They just wanted him out of the race.
	Another team took it up and they did it.
	That's the day I walked away.
	Alright, what about Benghazi?
	When you look at Benghazi, do you see that as being a setup?
	I don't know him.
	I look at, you know, ambassadors never travel alone.
	They always have an entourage of security.
	Enough said.
	You know, can I ask?
	He didn't.
	Okay, why did they...
	No, no, wait one second here, because why did they want to take this ambassador out?
	I really want to know.
	I think possibly he was a weak link.
	Possibly there was something going on arming the Syrians.
	He was aware of it.
	He was involved in it.
	They were afraid that he was going to come forward and do something about it.
	He found out something, and so they just needed him gone.
	I can add something to it that I am aware of, and Kerry, maybe off the air I'll have a discussion with you.
	You can discuss something with someone that you're aware of, okay?
	But it was Hillary Clinton and Daddy Bush to throw the election to embarrass Barack Obama, who's their October surprise, which occurred on 9-1-1, and the purpose was the same thing they did to Jimmy Carter with the hostage rescue attempt that was all screwed up with an airplane running into a helicopter.
	And all the others, and that was their October surprise to get Mitt Romney in and get Barack Obama out.
	Now, when you saw that after Barack Obama found out what the hell really happened to him with Hillary Clinton, she was gone from the State Department like that.
	He got rid of her and replaced her, okay, with Kerry, which isn't any better, really, but, you know, at least he doesn't have 300 dead bodies behind him like Hillary Clinton does.
	And Gene, now with that said, didn't you deliver some cocaine to the boy boy?
	Personally, tell them about that one.
	You know, he and his brother were party boys.
	Roger was actually convicted and Bill, as governor, pardoned him.
	But yeah, they were party boys.
	I've spoken with DEA agents.
	They've told me about the telephone conversation where the DEA has Roger was ordering some cocaine from his friends to have it delivered for a party.
	And then he called them back and said, hey, I need to get a little more.
	My brother's coming to the party tonight.
	He's got our nose like a vacuum cleaner.
	And these are on tape.
	Yes, we delivered one cooler of cocaine to Little Rock.
	Okay, but this is like, you know, normal for these people.
	I mean, this is just not even impressive, I have to say, from what I know.
	Now, let me ask you, though, I hear Barack Obama's a party boy.
	Do you not hear this?
	I don't know.
	But you're not in the game anymore.
	That's right.
	I'm not in the game.
	I'm not privy to a lot of things.
	Hope to never be.
	Okay, well, let me ask you this.
	You went to New York at a certain point and you were told to open some what are called front companies to operate out of, right?
	And you created this thing, this organization called Cedar Shores or something, right?
	Right.
	And then you operated, according to the Get article, for around six years.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, but there seems to be a back-channel link-up, at least according to Gayette, and it wasn't clear why he was writing it the way he was.
	But he talked about the fact that it seemed to have a link-up to the Cedar Holdings that is a British, I guess, company.
	He was able to follow that.
	We didn't get involved on that side.
	We just knew that we had open lines of credit through KeyBank.
	bank we could walk in walk out with 250 000 at any time um and that was all arranged for us through cedar shores and a company called irving place and then he being in the banking business and in london was able to follow that all the way back across the across the ocean you control key bank apex boy the bank bailout scamster larry myzel out of denver okay okay fair enough but what i want to ask you is about pure heart investments
	Ring a bell?
	No.
	Okay, how about a guy named Robert Ferreira?
	No.
	No?
	No idea?
	No.
	Okay, are you, you know, in terms of the bush cabal, because my understanding is that Pure Heart Investments is the top tier of what they call the collateral trading programs.
	That are operated, I guess, under this guy named Robert Ferreira, but he goes by several names.
	He apparently died and came back to life a couple times.
	He was a military guy for a while.
	I don't know if he's European or not, so let me not say that.
	He's got some European roots, let's put it that way.
	Um, and he is, he's like some, some guy who is very, very top tier in that financial world.
	That the, that basically is where the money kind of goes into the black projects and, and, and orchestrates all that.
	Do you know anything about that level of where, what goes on in the Bush Cabal?
	No, we were very compartmentalized of what we did with the OSGs.
	I mean, we had our area, we had At the same time, excuse me just a second, a lot of the black money that was involved in mortgage frauds,
	as an example, where you were being told to create mortgages, take them to banks in Denver, and they bought them, and then they, of course, threw them out on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FDICT, whoever was assuring them, and that was a lot of the black budget money as well, correct?
	Oh, absolutely, yeah.
	But how high up that went, what investment firms really invested in that could be your company you're talking about that went in and invested in these big blocks of mortgages.
	Who knows?
	I honestly don't.
	Do you have any friends, good friends, who are still operational in the Bush Cabal?
	No.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Appreciate that.
	Alright, did you spend any time in a couple, I'm going to ask you a couple places, South Africa?
	Yes.
	Do you know about the secret airfields?
	They're everywhere.
	Which one's in specific?
	I mean, we built so many secret airfields, we had lights that were on generators and they'd pop up out of the ground so we could do night landings in there.
	Everywhere.
	There probably isn't a country down there that we don't have landing strips built in where we can go into.
	Sneak in at night, do our nefarious deeds and get out.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	Did you ever have to, maybe this is obvious, but did you have to pretend you were someone else?
	In other words, did you have, were you good at disguises or accents or any of this sort of thing?
	We were Mormon missionaries in Yugoslavia and we were caught by the police there.
	So yes, in several instances.
	I've had...
	Numerous names, numerous identities, and speak several languages.
	Oh, yeah?
	So you're not dumb?
	I didn't say that.
	I said I speak several languages.
	Worked directly from his boss and then vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, and took direct orders from him, so...
	Ask yourself.
	Absolutely.
	No, you know, I'm kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	Looking back, I think I must be a bit retarded.
	All right.
	Well, maybe slow on the uptake.
	I don't know.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Okay.
	No, I really do appreciate it.
	You have a great sense of humor, and you're playing very fair here, as far as I can see, and I want to appreciate the time you're spending.
	Okay, so in terms of the Middle East crisis, because what's been an ongoing crisis, obviously, and a lot of it is manufactured, I just saw a, let me just sort of disclose, that I just saw a film at Sundance,
	That was unabashed propaganda that was put out and backed apparently by the CIA, by the military here in America and is going to hit the, you know, it's going to, it won a war, an award, it's going to go out on the circuit and it's basically backing a reason to go to war with Syria.
	So they haven't closed that door completely.
	Were you operational in the Middle East?
	Because I don't remember.
	Whether I saw too much about that in your background?
	We were somewhat operational because of the Iran contract issue.
	I know that the Iran contract issue was a deception that hasn't been cleared up yet, but by next week it will be.
	I'm hinting to the truth of what really went on there now in the Veterans Today article.
	It wasn't all about arms.
	Look, Iran was getting arms from Russia, from China, from Turkey, from wherever they wanted to get arms.
	Israel was supplying arms into them.
	They didn't need arms.
	What they needed was fissionable material.
	They had a nuclear reactor that the United States gave them in the 70s.
	They had weapons-grade fuel for that reactor, but they didn't have any yellow cake to start building new fuel.
	They wanted yellow cake.
	What did they get for the trade?
	They gave Secord and the Enterprise over a billion dollars for the yellow cake that we shipped to them from Nabibia, from a British mine that was a deal between Reagan and Thatcher.
	That's what it was really about.
	That's what they're hiding today, and that's what they've continued to hide.
	And North knew it, but everyone's going to accept the humanitarian arms for guns.
	No one's going to accept us giving them fissionable material.
	And for me, I think that they should have the fissionable material.
	I think that every country that wants to have peaceful nuclear power should have nuclear power.
	That's my own feeling.
	Okay, well what about the idea that Japan was found to have a lot more than that going on, you know, with Fukushima and their reactors?
	That there was a lot more, I think, for what they said.
	Now I don't know this kind of stuff, but plutonium, too much extra of this stuff going on, that there was evidence that they were basically trying to kind of move down the road of arming, you know, that country.
	Weapons?
	Give everyone, give everyone one.
	That's my feeling.
	You want in the stuff in the Middle East?
	Go blow up that mount in Jerusalem.
	Then they don't have anything to fight over anymore.
	You know, you're talking to a military guy here, and my feeling is give everyone the bomb and then just say, use it on yourselves and sit back.
	I'll get myself a chair, I'll get myself a beer, and I'll watch the show.
	I'll put something out real quick about what happened at Rocket Flaps Nuclear Arsenal, because I know all about it.
	It's going to run out of story, but I'll throw it out here right now.
	There's 2,000 pounds of plutonium.
	A U.S. attorney named Michael Nort covered the whole damn thing up.
	I've got his bribe up on my internet.
	I punch in Michael It's been there for quite some time.
	It was laundered through M&L business machines, $1.5 million.
	A grand jury foreman was fired from the grand jury, threatened with death, nearly killed him in a car crash, the whole bit.
	He was trying to bring the truth out.
	And the truth was, I had learned some ten years before that from Gunther Russ.
	How do you remember Gunther, Chip?
	Okay?
	And, you know, he worked with Gunther and others in that level.
	And Gunther was one of the ones that was shipping this stuff from Rocky Flats on behalf of Leonard Millman and on behalf of Daddy Bush.
	Shipped it to Apex Aviation to St.
	Louis, Missouri, which was an Israeli Mossad operation.
	And they shipped it, what's interesting, they shipped it in cranberry juice trucks, ocean spray.
	And I kept asking myself, why would they disguise it in ocean spray cranberry juice?
	Well, it happens to be the cranberries puts off the same thing Some kind of a noise on these detectors we have all across the world, especially in the United States.
	So, as a cranberry juice truck is going down a freeway, it sets off a detector that's carrying nuclear material, plutonium, and they look and say, oh, it's a cranberry juice truck.
	Well, they always set them off.
	Okay?
	So, that's how they disguised it, to get it out of here.
	Guess who bought it?
	Stevie Notanyahu.
	Guess who he sold some of it to?
	North Korea.
	North Korea now has a nuclear weapon, and we all know that now.
	Well, who is behind us once again?
	Daddy Bush and the APEC Israeli boys that are controlling America.
	And the real funny part was, then they go into the hillside, this nice little hill up on top of this coming out of Jefferson County, Colorado.
	There's a highway that runs up the boulder.
	Nice view of Denver.
	You can see it all downtown, Denver and the great skyline.
	Well, that happens to be at the top of that hill.
	So they removed this hilltop.
	Citicorp, Millman's subsidiary company, charged the government $2.5 billion to remove the contaminated land that was never contaminated.
	To remove that hill, and guess who the next character was?
	Larry Mizell as Buffer, with NBC's Richmond American Homes, comes in and builds a subdivision on the same piece of ground, High Dollar Subdivision, with the skyline of Denver, Colorado from the west.
	Nice game, huh?
	Okay, yeah, very interesting.
	Well, I think there's a power plant over the hill for me that did something similar to that.
	Okay.
	Well, okay.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	At this moment, what I'd like to do is find out if you're looking at the sort of playing field as you see it on the planet right now.
	Where do you think things are at?
	I mean, are things way worse than they were back in the day when you were working for Bush?
	Or do you think that things have moved to a certain place where the Bush cabal is basically unbeatable?
	Do you think they're beatable?
	Are you confident?
	Where's your head at with regard to that?
	I think the Bush cabal feels that they're very threatened right now.
	That's what I think.
	I think there are other forces in place that are worrying the crap out of them, and there are other forces in place that should be worrying them.
	I like the idea of this friend of mine that's, you know, another one that's in Gene's level.
	You know, he says this too.
	It's called, he says you want to get rid of the problem, he says it's called a.50 caliber with a scope.
	It's called the three-mile solution.
	Another idea.
	He says, we don't call the police around here.
	He says, go get the muratic acid.
	He said, that's the way we take care of it.
	Two gallons of muratic acid after you whack them, you put them in the bathtub.
	And he says, the way goes trouble down the drain, Roto-Rooters.
	I'm getting a bad mentality anymore.
	We need to clean the problem up and get physical.
	I like the idea of brute force.
	I guess it's the old Marine Corps enemy coming back out.
	Okay, well, slow down a minute there because what I want to know is, I don't think that the forces they're dealing with are that easy to deal with.
	In other words, we're not talking about just...
	Flesh and blood being able to shoot it down, in essence.
	We're talking about an AI that's getting out of hand.
	Are you hearing anything about that, Chip?
	Explain AI. Artificial intelligence?
	I've heard something along those lines, yes.
	Okay.
	And I strongly feel that there's something out there...
	Backing a certain group.
	Okay.
	Very secretly, and the cabal is very aware of it.
	You asked me, Kerry, I think, when was this, about two years ago, you asked me about something in the way of the battle that went on with the aliens back on the West Coast.
	Do you remember that?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	And you were asking me to check with my sources.
	Well, now I can tell you that, you know, there was a battle here about two and a half months ago that took place between the United States and the aliens.
	No problem, and there were a lot of beams shot off of planet Earth here.
	Okay, are you talking about in the Pacific?
	Yeah, yeah, the one in the Pacific, a couple years ago, they asked me about it.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	But I got a pretty tight source on it now, but I understood that they had a little battle here about two, two and a half months, around two and a half months ago.
	There was the alien invasion, quote-unquote, threat, and they made sure that it didn't happen, so...
	There's a lot of things going on.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	All right.
	Well, in terms of the Chinese and their moves in Africa, for example, Chip, have you, I don't know, you seem to have dealt with Africa back in those days.
	Was there any kind of issue with Africa?
	Were there plans for Africa that you became aware of?
	I didn't.
	Well, you know, Africa in those days were moving out of apartheid.
	And so the United Nations was in there, you know, working with a lot of things.
	And the Chinese were edging even at that time, they were edging.
	Trying to get control of certain things.
	Yes.
	And they'll continue moving in, yes.
	It's a very valuable area.
	You know, the source of the diamonds, the fissionable materials, they're able to be mined out of there and other things.
	they're in abundance and I believe that they'll continue to work toward that zone.
	That's a... I have a... my company is...
	I have a partner who's Chinese in the company and he's here now and we've talked about Chinese move and what countries they're looking at and what they're doing and you know Africa is an area of interest.
	Area of interest for petro, too.
	They're using so much petroleum, they're trying to do anything and everything they can to befriend any country that produces petroleum.
	And, you know, if the United States is in there, they'd love to take them out so that they could get that load of petroleum.
	Venezuela is a perfect example.
	I think Venezuela is an area that the United States is very concerned with right now with the government and what's going to happen in Venezuela.
	And I think you'll see some moves into that area very soon.
	Okay.
	Uh, fair enough.
	Let me ask you, because there was a very interesting sentence in the David Guillette article that kind of referenced you and Bush, and said that during...
	Let me see if I can get this right, because I don't have it in front of me, but in essence it was that during the, I guess, the War with the Rock...
	Bush was very involved in Argentina and taking care of some of the Nazi era, things at least that came from the Nazi era over there.
	And there was no elaboration in the article other than to mention that.
	And you said that there was more to it than that and that at some point it would be revealed.
	So what can you tell us about that?
	There was a lot of gold down there.
	Gold?
	And while everything was going on in Iraq and all the cameras were there, the OSGs worked diligently to recover gold and other things from Nazi gold and everything else that was hidden down over there.
	Huge caches of gold.
	So where did it go?
	Went onto airplanes and flew on somewhere.
	We were in the helicopters and we couldn't take it far.
	A couple thousand pounds at a time is all we could take.
	They were put into C-130s and flown out.
	Okay, I've heard that there are, you know, the Bush cabal is obviously Nazi orientation and that they are, they have a very large underground base in Argentina that's totally Nazi run.
	Let me put it like this.
	There was no confrontation in getting that stuff out of there.
	Okay.
	So, what about Antarctica?
	Mary, the Zionist connection with Bushes is just enormous.
	You know, there was the, I think Gene said it best the other day, there was the connection, you know, from a lot of the Nazi scientists and so forth brought over from World War II and the connection back to Prescott Bush and, you know, charged with trading with the enemy and supplying Adolf Hitler with tanks But when you look at today's agenda, and the real big agenda in the Illuminati, it's all this Zionist agenda.
	It follows the trail of New World Order and the consolidation of more power and money and the tide of fewer, wider, elite, or hands and all that, as Bush quoted.
	I think you could touch on that for a moment.
	A lot of people push this Nazi thing, this Nazi thing.
	They have that mentality, but it is the Zionists and it is the ones, APEC, that are behind all this crap.
	They want to run the world from Jerusalem.
	They're pin on it.
	Alright, well, you know, I have no problem with that.
	You know, but you're calling it that.
	I would say it's Anunnaki.
	Don't touch on it, Gene.
	No, I'm not going there guys.
	You guys have that one.
	No problem.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	You said you met some of the astronauts.
	Did you ever meet Clark McClelland?
	No, no.
	I don't recall the name.
	But let me say something about you asked about Antarctica.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When I was recovering from gunshot wounds in Germany, there was this park.
	And I would go to the park and they had this huge chess set set out in the middle of the park and they're large pieces and these old Germans, old men would be sitting around playing chess and I got to be friends with some of them and they ended up being colonels, old SS colonels and everything else, retired.
	And we got to talking about things.
	And you know, I talked to them about the aircraft and about their space program and these guys told me that in In the North Country is how they explained it to me.
	They have saucers.
	They built saucers.
	They fly saucers.
	And I never quite believed them.
	But I think I was wrong in that place.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	That's the Antarctica story I had for me.
	These were very high-ranking German officials and officers who were telling us this.
	Okay, well let me ask you this.
	Have you ever met a German officer that you thought had died during the World War II era?
	In Argentina.
	Who was still alive?
	Loads of them.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, the reason I'm asking, are you familiar with anything to do with time travel?
	No.
	Not to your knowledge.
	It takes a lot of time to travel, but no.
	Okay, not to your knowledge.
	I understand.
	All right.
	Okay, let's get back to the Anunnaki.
	So you've never met some particularly tall beings, I take it.
	I didn't say that.
	I just said I wasn't going to talk about it.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Can I cut on something?
	Yeah, go right ahead.
	Okay, I had the honor of meeting back in the 1990s, late 90s, and became friends with him, Ed Slade, who was one CI scientist.
	As a matter of fact, he even had met Nicole In 1951 or 1952 where the Papoose Lake, Nevada, he worked with Alix.
	He was the one that came up with the Element 115, which is mere metal, that makes the rolloids out of it.
	It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
	We have about 1,200 of them in our arsenal.
	And John has only made two million after Daddy Bush sold the technology.
	But Ed infused 115 with 116 and 117 and 118 somehow or another in a A nuke-type fusion that they did.
	And he was able to make it into a local grid.
	And as he said, he met with one of them.
	He was told to go meet with one of them.
	The guy says, did you fuse together exactly the way you're supposed to?
	He says, well, take it out 50 yards.
	He said, set it down.
	And he says, come back here.
	So he did.
	And the guy says, watch, I'll show you what you made me.
	And all of a sudden, he turned into flying saucers.
	And then he says, he freaked from it, and said, how'd you do that?
	And he says, he takes it back from flying saucer, turns back to loaf of bread, sitting out there 50 yards out.
	And he says, now Ed, you do it.
	He says, do what?
	He says, just think it into a flying saucer.
	He says, how do I do it?
	Start thinking.
	So Ed closes his eyes, he's thinking, and he says, no Ed, you're thinking the wrong way.
	Think this way, think that way, think that way.
	Where he was reading Ed's mind, And guided him and helped him to think it.
	And he says, now look what you made.
	He says, now.
	He says, you want to go for a trip real quick and I'll show you the tour you made me?
	And so they flew out outer space and came back and dropped him off.
	Okay, that's good stuff.
	Where is...
	Let me say this.
	In one of my travels, the last time that I left, I stopped in Cuba.
	And I spent some time there, and I stayed with a friend who was a psychiatrist, and he worked in a genetics lab, a huge genetics lab outside of Havana.
	And he took me on a tour of the lab, and we got to talking with all the scientists and the doctors in there, and they were talking about DNA, and they were talking about genetics, and they were showing me strands that they had collected, and they were showing me, you know, the dual strand and the quad strands of DNA from people.
	My technical Spanish wasn't good enough to understand it, but now I'm understanding a little bit more about the DNA strands and the implications of four strands of DNA. Okay, have you ever been to New Mexico?
	Oh yeah, lots of times.
	And what about Dulce?
	No.
	What about Los Alamos?
	Yes.
	Okay, you've been to Los Alamos and you expect me to believe you've never been to Dulce?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Slow down.
	Slow down, Stu.
	Not Dulce, but Los Alamos.
	And that was a deal with the government because of the company that he worked for, a defense contractor.
	Yeah, I appreciate this.
	He trained the OE inspectors.
	But you know what?
	He never knew anything about Dulce.
	I'm never going to do what?
	He never knew anything about Dalton.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Okay, you're doing your job and I really do appreciate it.
	Let me just ask you this.
	Have you heard of Captain Mark Richards?
	Yeah, I've heard the name.
	Okay.
	You know he's in prison for 30 years?
	No.
	He was framed on murder?
	No.
	Yeah.
	When?
	And I interviewed him.
	I went into prison.
	I went to the Vacaville prison recently and interviewed him.
	I'm the only journalist who ever has.
	Uh-huh.
	And he and his father led a battle into Dulce.
	Did you hear about that?
	No.
	Never?
	I've been gone a long time.
	Well, this happened a long time ago.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Well...
	There's this history.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, what about James Jesus Angleton?
	You heard that name?
	No.
	I would remember that name.
	I don't remember that name.
	You don't know that name?
	I don't know that name.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Well, Colby would certainly know that name and so would Casey.
	Uh-huh.
	Did I tell you who he is?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Fair enough.
	Wow.
	So you were never sent to Florida.
	You live in Florida, don't you?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, well, there's some characters down there you might like to meet that know a lot about James Jesus Angleton.
	Uh-huh.
	You want to look him up on the internet and get back to me on that?
	What's his name?
	James Jesus, spelled like Jesus.
	Uh-huh.
	Angleton.
	Okay.
	And I can tell you that everyone in the U.S. government gets very nervous when you mention that name.
	He knows where all the bodies are buried.
	He's no longer alive, by the way.
	But he does have some relatives.
	And they might be in the Florida area, at least last I heard they were.
	Okay.
	Might be interesting for you.
	I'll certainly look him up, and I may have known him under a different name.
	Yeah, that's possible, you know, although he was pretty notorious.
	But at any rate, okay, so what I'm going to do right now is we've been going for a while and, you know, obviously I'd like to ply you guys with questions nonstop for the rest of the night.
	But what I'm going to do is open it up to the people that are listening and see if we've got some questions because I know we've got an active chat room going on.
	And what they do is they put their questions in the chat room and then I can ask you.
	And so I'm going to tell them that I need to see those questions in all caps because it makes it easier for me to distinguish a question in the chat than if it's not in the chat, if it's in all caps, if it's just chat, casual chat or whatever.
	Someone says, do you know something about Obama's failed attack, I guess this is something of an accusation, on the U.S., and there's a whistleblower named Jim Garrow who says that there was this, I guess there was an EMP attack that was supposedly orchestrated by Obama.
	Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but do you know anything about that?
	I don't.
	Uh, Stu?
	No.
	I know nothing about it, and let me set the record straight on something.
	I don't like Barack Obama, okay?
	I really don't.
	I haven't cared for the guy since he's been elected, especially after he put Hillary Clinton in and then cover up by Sir Eric Holden, who was, you know, the attorney for Mark Rich, okay, one of the biggest scamsters that we've had, a financial scamster, Mossad.
	And he's there to maintain a covering.
	But I'm also aware of other things that have been going on, and if you look at all these generals and all these colonels that have been fired, and you see the shake-up in the nuclear bases and all the others, those are bad people that answer to the Zionist APEC route, and that's committing espionage here in the United States.
	And so they're being cleansed.
	Barack Obama The neocon APEC types, like Susan Rice and Valerie Jarrett and others, his advisors, right beside the White House, nearly took us to war that night in Syria.
	If it hadn't been for General Dempsey, putting a halt to it and telling him that they couldn't, we couldn't do it, couldn't pull it off, and etc.
	We would have been in war.
	Now, there are good people inside the military and there's good people inside our government that are trying to stop things now.
	We have a new FBI director, the first day.
	He's an FBI. The next day, on a Saturday, there's 150 pimps in a child sex ring, the biggest one ever in the US, this was back in August, were busted.
	2,300 kids were taken into protective custody.
	Some of them had been in that sex ring since they were three years of age that were now 17.
	Guess who was running the sex ring?
	Larry Mizell, Leonard Millman, and Daddy Bush.
	And Veterans Today did a story shortly thereafter and talked about how the Illuminati escaped justice and arrestedness because of the protection of the Justice Department.
	Okay?
	There's a lot of good things going on.
	And you see this spring uprising supposedly by former colonels and generals talking about going against Obama and let's have this big march in May and so on and so forth.
	That's a disinformation crap.
	That's the Romney side.
	That's the Bush side.
	That's the information that's going on.
	Actually, from what I've understood, is Barack Obama.
	Ask yourself, why is it that Zionists, the APEC crowd, wanted to put a cruise missile with a nuke chip on the White House a week ago last Saturday?
	Why do they want him dead?
	Because the word is, he's getting religion.
	You know, he's being forced into religion, should we say?
	Doing the right thing for America.
	I'll leave that on the table because I don't want to talk about the rest that I do know and can't.
	Okay?
	Okay, well I'm hearing rumors that they want to get rid of him out of office between now and when he hits that sort of halfway mark in his term.
	Well, sure they do.
	The APEC crowd does, and Daddy Bush, that have destroyed this country and have this lockdown on this country.
	And, you know, there's ways of curing it.
	It's just like the people out here on the streets, Americans say, "Well, what can we do?" You know, look at the American Defense Party sometime, Bruce Campbell, in interviewing.
	You know, he's a former mercenary in Rhodesia.
	He has a heck of an extensive military background, intelligence.
	He used to be a columnist on Veterans Today.
	His solution is, if we set up crime watches in all the neighborhoods across America, which exist, we infiltrate the current students that are spying on you on behalf of the local police.
	And you go in and you set them up.
	You educate your students to the truth.
	You go in and set up civilian oversight police committees.
	And make sure that, as an example, you've got police brutality, you can put a stop to it.
	And the third thing is, is that, you know, you can't infiltrate the city halls.
	They won't go along with those things.
	You just recallpetitions.com, which in Colorado, they removed three congressmen that were in favor of gun control.
	Victor Head, iHealthy, There's words to do in this.
	And if people would get involved, that's something that right now that I'm aware the good guys in government would like the American people to be doing.
	Because it would clean house.
	It would educate your neighbor on patriotism and make them understand that we have a big problem.
	And then we can start changing other things, such as the electronic voting machines that we can't get anybody in office.
	And if everybody did a recall against all the congressmen and senators up there in Washington, D.C., right now it would cause pretty chaos in America.
	And it would cleanse Patriotic people in office.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Slow down.
	Okay, so I've got another question here.
	And before I go to that, there were about 92 people that were just sort of, I guess, I don't know, moved out of the nuclear security area.
	You know anything about that?
	Those are all APEC answering.
	The ones that are being removed are people that answer directly to Daddy Bush and do not follow orders of the chain of command inside the military, period.
	It's being cleansed.
	Okay, it's being cleansed by the good guys.
	Is that what you're saying?
	By the good guys, yes.
	General Dempsey's a good guy and Secretary Hagel's a good guy.
	And Secretary Hagel, when he was senator from Nebraska, he sat up on the Senate floor and he says, I am not an Israeli senator.
	I am a U.S. senator.
	Alright, well we know that even from the Gayette article that Bush had a Mossad advisor, I forget his name, but that's probably just the tip of the iceberg there.
	So the bottom line though is that you're saying that there is in essence a kind of a pushback from what we would call the white hats within the military agencies and so on, right?
	I don't call them white hats.
	There's a whole group of these idiots out here that want to call themselves the white hats that are nothing but supposedly paid for profits.
	So I'm not going to cut...
	Okay, let's not worry about labels.
	I'm trying to clean up the concrete.
	They're saying, our children, our grandchildren, our future great-grandchildren, etc., have no future.
	Nobody has any future in America.
	It has been taken over and overrun by a bunch of Zionist pigs that need to be taken out.
	Alright, alright, slow down.
	All right, fair enough, but let's get back to the Bush Cabal, okay, which is actually running the show here at least, okay?
	And you're saying...
	And you're part of the same crowd, Bush's partners.
	I get it.
	Hello, I get it.
	Okay, slow down, I get it.
	But the point being is that if the Bush Cabal has lost so much power, then why hasn't there been, in essence, a coup To take back the American government by the military.
	Because the government...
	No, I'm going to tell you right now.
	Let me hear Chip.
	Because the military are patriots.
	You have them working very silently, very digitally with General Dempsey in doing this.
	I think you'll see huge changes, and I think we're already seeing them.
	But it's a step at a time.
	Look, the Cabal has really entrenched himself.
	He has to do it.
	He has to do it a step at a time.
	But he is cleaning it up.
	It is being done.
	And while he's doing that, you have others in other areas cleaning up.
	Okay.
	The Bush Cabal has lost a lot of power.
	And the Bush Cabal, look at the people there.
	Look how old they are.
	Who are the new ones?
	Who are the new players coming into the playing field?
	Who are they trying to bring in here?
	And these people that are coming in aren't as experienced.
	I'll tell you, I work for George Bush, and I can tell you he was one of the most evil men I have ever met in my life.
	Had no qualms about doing anything to anyone, including his sons, just so you know that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I completely believe you.
	In fact, well, the amount of reptilian DNA that's part of the Bush family is, from what I understand, well documented.
	Did you happen to come across any of that information?
	No, none.
	You might take a look at the story called Daddy Bush, the Illuminati Wizard of Oz that I did at him.
	I'm no writer, but I do a story on it.
	Take a look at it.
	Okay.
	Alright, so someone wants to know, what about the cleaning house that involves all the generals and the various military people that have been asked to step down?
	Is that part of it?
	That's part of it.
	That's part of Dempsey's cleaning house and getting rid of the old school and bringing in new clean officers.
	Okay, but Dempsey hasn't been around that long, at least in the current position, right?
	Not in that position, but in one position lower.
	Okay.
	What about the Navy?
	My understanding is that some of these branches of our military, you know, the Army, the Navy, and so on, I understand that there's a division of the Navy that seem to be very serious patriots.
	Would you agree?
	I have a cousin who is the head of intelligence in the Pacific for the Navy.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Let me see.
	I'm looking down the list here of questions.
	Besides Senator Hagel, who else can the people support or stand behind?
	For me, I say get rid of every one of them that are on the second term.
	Anyone who's had a second term, they need to be out of there.
	They need to be gone.
	Because if they've been there that long, they've been compromised.
	I can guarantee it.
	We did it.
	That's how we do it.
	That's it.
	No more.
	Recallpetitions.com.
	Did they sign the Patriot Act?
	Did they sign the NDAA Act?
	Or did they sign gun control?
	And most of them have signed those.
	That's what was in the recall.
	They violated their oath of office to uphold and defend the sports and constitution.
	www.recallpetitions.com.
	It tells you right there how to do it.
	There's the video.
	There's the form.
	Go register it with the Secretary of State's office to get rid of the slime balls in Washington, D.C. Okay, thank you, Stu.
	There's somebody who wants to know, what happened to the sixth nuke that flew out of Minot?
	Minot.
	Minot?
	Okay, Minot.
	Minot.
	South Dakota.
	Right.
	Do you know what happened?
	There were a bunch of Minotan nukes.
	Several years back, Kerry, there's been a lot of disinformation, but several years back, there were several nukes all in one shipment, and the Air Force actually went out and got them and took them back and disarmed them down in Los Alamos, or outside of Los Alamos, where they disarmed them.
	Okay?
	I'm aware of that, because I was told today.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Did you ever deliver...
	I'm asking Chip this question.
	Did you ever have to deliver any mini-nukes?
	We delivered, yeah.
	Numerous tactical nukes, yes.
	Okay.
	Do you know a woman named Barbara Judge?
	No.
	Okay.
	Head of TEPCO at the moment.
	No.
	No?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	I was just curious where she might have been back in those days when you were...
	Operational, so to speak.
	Can you talk about any women that were in top positions back in the day when you were working for the Bush Cabal?
	Yes.
	None.
	Really?
	None.
	Interesting.
	Women were used for other things during that.
	None.
	Okay.
	What about, did you deal with the UK at all?
	Yes.
	City of London?
	We worked for MI6. We did work for MI6. We did work for the Thatcher administration as the OSGs.
	We were actually, OSGs weren't just US. We had several No groups integrated, depending on the mission.
	Okay, what about Men With Hill?
	Did you have any interactions with that base?
	No.
	Brent Waters, we had a lot of interaction with.
	Okay.
	Did you go into Egypt much?
	North Camp Egypt, yes.
	Okay, did you move any, let's say, valuable relics out of the pyramids or did you happen to transport anything that you wondered how valuable it might be out of that area?
	We transported huge containers.
	What was in the containers, I can't tell you.
	Where did you transport them to?
	We brought them into Germany and then dropped off at Rhein-Main Air Force Base and transported other aircraft.
	From there, I don't know.
	Okay.
	You were a pilot as well?
	Right.
	Okay.
	So in all your flights, you never encountered a UFO? I didn't say that, no.
	You didn't ask me that.
	Well, I'm just asking it in a certain way to get that kind of response from you, and I appreciate it.
	I saw many things that I didn't understand that weren't our aircraft.
	We're taught very well, aircraft identification, enemy, friendly enemy, and these I've never seen in my life.
	Well, did you have any...
	Many, many, many, many.
	Okay, got that.
	But did you ever get interfered with?
	In other words, did they ever try to force you to land, interfere with you or your cargo?
	No, but they played with us.
	I recall one mission where we were flying little birds, night vision goggles, little birds, and we were in the clouds trying to do some night vision goggle training in the clouds at night over Arizona.
	And as we were flying in the clouds over Arizona, We popped out above the clouds and there was something in front of us.
	So I pulled back to a hover.
	We were only about 10,000 feet.
	I pulled the little bird back to a hover.
	We were armed and the aircraft in front of me just stopped.
	So I moved off to the right and he moved off to the right.
	I moved off to the left and he moved off to the left.
	And so I did the best thing I knew how to do.
	Which is?
	Ran back into the clouds and hauled ass.
	Okay, very interesting.
	Did you ever fly in a triangle or get flown or try to take the controls of a triangle craft?
	No.
	What are they called?
	TR-3B? That's the old version?
	No?
	No.
	Okay, Solar Warden.
	Have you heard that name?
	Nope.
	Never heard the name Solar Warden?
	No.
	Okay.
	And that's not a no, that's a no.
	That's a no, okay.
	What about Command and Control Center on Phobos?
	Sure.
	You've heard that?
	Yes.
	And you've never been off planet?
	We were at the edge of space.
	Okay, good enough.
	But never left.
	Alright.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	So did you hear, did you have, I don't know, were you told stories by people that you encountered?
	Because there is this big base down in, I'm told, Texas.
	Right.
	That has a direct relationship to apparently the Command and Control Center on Phobos and things that go on on Mars.
	We work a lot in a place called Iron Mountain also.
	Okay.
	Huge facility there in that zone.
	And, you know, I've heard of Phobos.
	I've never talked to them.
	We've been at the edge of space.
	We've communicated.
	We've sent communications.
	We sent communications in OLAB, LaBar, Colorado.
	When we received communications, what those communications were, I don't know.
	In the Blackbirds, we were nothing more than a relay station.
	We would receive through the ionosphere and shoot the signals right back down.
	Right.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm reading here again.
	Okay.
	Okay, somebody else asked me, asking you, just as I did ask, I did ask that question, but I'll ask it just for the person's edification.
	They want to know, where is the edge of space?
	We flew between 130, and the edge of space is right at the ionosphere, between 130,000 and 160,000 feet.
	That'll vary many times, just depending on...
	On the ionosphere where it sits.
	We would fly right at the edge of the ionosphere so that we didn't actually leave the gravitational pull, but there was not much gravity there.
	Going outside of that in the aircraft we had, we wouldn't survive.
	You know, our skin was at 3,000 degrees as it was.
	I think that, if I may here, I think Gene's specialty was primarily, you know, here, let me read his bio, I think, which summarizes it up, and you can take it from there, Kerry.
	I think that it should be said, I apologize.
	Okay, well while you do that, I've got another question for you, Gene.
	someone wants to know if what you would suggest people do to take back the country I you know I'm old school I'm I've been gone a long time and I hear all of the voting poll problems and everything else.
	Look, the only way I see that anything can be done to take back this country is, first, we have to get control of our lawmakers.
	You have to get control of those guys.
	And right now, there is no control.
	I was in a meeting the other day, and this person told me, he said, I was talking about party lines.
	I was asking him about the Tea Party.
	What do you think about the Tea Party?
	He said, Chip, there are no party lines anymore.
	He said, there's only one party line.
	I said, what's that?
	He said, that's the line that all these politicians form to go collect their check from the special interest group.
	That's the party line.
	So we need to get rid of, we need to get back into party lines.
	If there's 16 parties, if there's 18 parties, if there's two parties, it doesn't matter.
	But we need to get every one of those incumbents out And put everyone new in with term limits.
	And I would say add one to it.
	Israel, Costa Rica, all these other countries have guarantees that their Congress will pass and live within a budget.
	And if they don't pass a budget that's within the means of that country, then there's a new election six months later.
	Netanyahu, when he was asked that question, he said, "And so I can honestly say that we've always had a budget." Kerry, if I may, you can't.
	Now, we probably had a lot to his budget.
	Special Forces combat control.
	U.S. Army pilot flying classified missions during the invasion of Grenada.
	Iran-Contra pilot, 25 years CID cover agent, member of the ultra-secret Pegasus 15.
	You know, you've missed a couple of questions I think are very important.
	And those are?
	Did you deliver?
	Because we got some witch up there named Hillary Clinton who wants to run for president.
	And she would be the first thing that I would say, no, get rid of this thing.
	Gene, you delivered cocaine in a cooler to Bill Clinton, Jackson Stevens, and Little Rock Air Force Base.
	Isn't that true?
	And money.
	But that's old news.
	Yeah, and we ran that down already.
	Okay, now, out of all the body count, how many of you think that Hillary Clinton directly answered this?
	If you can, how many do you think out of the 300-plus body count out of Arkansas alone, of all the dead witnesses and the others that were involved in Iran-Contra, how many of them would you say that she was directly involved in the hits?
	I couldn't even guess.
	But I will tell you this about Mrs.
	Clinton.
	If I were going to trial again, I would want her as my attorney, because she beats people to death.
	She's one of the toughest people I've ever met, and she is probably the closest thing that I could see to being an understudy for Bush.
	Okay, well, that sort of begs the question, just how close are the Clintons to Bush?
	I mean, I've heard all the rumors.
	They were partners.
	Okay.
	Still are.
	Still are?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Hillary Clinton sat in Little Rock, Arkansas, creating trusts of the foreign corporations as my ex-in-law at Silverado in his game were laundering all the drug money from Iran, Contra, overseas.
	It's in the book, The Mafia, C.I.M. Bush.
	And then it would come back in through two ways.
	One was Switzerland, which created terrorist accounts, which they paid the terrorist on the day of 9-1-1, an operational terrorist in America through APEC crowd.
	And the other part of the money came in through Little Rock, through these trusts.
	And then those trusts, foreign trusts, so they didn't have to pay income tax from the drug money, were set up by Hillary Clinton.
	And turned over to Norman Brownstein that keeps showing up, Daddy Bush and Leonard Doman's attorney, the 101st senator, the APEC director, you know, always shows up on the board of directors of all the corporations that collapse, that go into bankruptcy for the past 20 years, and the whole nine yards.
	But Hillary Clinton and the Rose Law Firm was directly involved.
	And you take Key Bank that Gene mentioned earlier that he dealt business with.
	That was someone's underlayment in just a moment.
	Key Bank, Larry Mizell.
	Now he was a very prominent figure, also a current APEC director.
	Okay, very prominent figure because the day that Vince Foster was killed, he met with Larry Mizell just an hour prior.
	And Larry Mizell filed those in a federal court in a lawsuit over KeyBank because he was trying to say, oh no, I was in Washington.
	I wasn't at KeyBank headquarters making decisions on that day of this fraud that was going on over here.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Larry's got the big question mark.
	Larry, are you the guy that did Vince Foster for the Clintons?
	Fair enough.
	Okay, so what I want to ask here is, in terms of, somebody's got a question here in the chat that is asking Chip, did you know who Ted Gunderson was?
	Yes.
	Okay, did you ever talk with him, meet with him?
	Ted did a set of interviews at a I did a global sciences conference in Daytona Beach with Nancy, that was my wife at the time, and myself.
	And I did a set of radio interviews also.
	Okay, and what did you think of Gunderson's information with regard to Promise Software?
	He never passed information on to me, he was just asking me questions about what I knew.
	Okay, and did you ever know Michael were conisciutto?
	I know the name.
	I've never interviewed with him before, I guess.
	Okay.
	But are you aware of the Promise software and the trail of the octopus and that whole saga?
	Danny Casolero, were you involved in the hit on Danny Casolero?
	Was I? No.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Gary, I just did two stories on Ted Gunderson.
	They're up on Veterans Today, and they're on my website.
	One's entitled, APEC and Abramoff Operated Child Sex Blackmail Ring, and the other one's called The Octopus Nothing is Secret.
	Right.
	Okay?
	I mean, we did an interview, and in the...
	Matter of fact, in one of those articles, I put the video that we did on Ted Gunderson one time about The Octopus and his connections to the Bush Crime Senegal.
	Now, he was infiltrating the Patriot community.
	I'm the one that actually set Gene Tatum up with that radio interview, which he then later, Gunderson goes down to Global Sciences, where it was open to the public, and he goes around videotaping everybody, including Gene and other people down there, and that's how his TMO was.
	Okay, well let me ask Chip, I appreciate that, and we can look at your story in Veterans Today, and I thank you for that.
	But Chip, did you feel that Gunderson was playing both sides of the street?
	Ted Gunderson was retired from the FBI. If you ever dealt with the FBI, there are people who, you know, think that they're going to save their country somehow or another.
	They're going to expose whatever they need to expose.
	If he were given information that he felt was detrimental to the nation or to certain things, I have no doubt that he would turn that in to the government.
	Okay.
	And the government being run by Bush Cabal?
	Yep.
	At that time, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, do you feel that the Kennedy assassination was, in essence, the major coup that took place in our government?
	I think that since the Kennedy assassination, the government has never been the same.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	And did you have any inside knowledge about who the assassins were on the Kennedy assassination?
	I was about 12 years old at the time.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, in terms of your longevity within the Bush cabal, you never come across any data?
	Rumors, you know, sitting around the coffee pot in a water cooler.
	Rumors and, you know, nothing more than rumors and people thinking, well, you know, what do you think it is that here's this little island of Cuba down here and we've never made friends with them because of humanitarian issues.
	Yet some of the most inhumane countries in the world we're doing business with.
	And one person said it's because those people didn't kill an American president.
	That's what I've heard around the coffee chats and so forth.
	But I hear other things too.
	Well, let me ask both of you this question, okay?
	Because the understanding here is, and I know that Stu likes to go off on the Israelis, but my premise on the Israelis is that group is run by the Anunnaki.
	It's very clear that those are the people who are running their underground base at Damone, etc., etc., And that they report to them.
	So the question is, if you know that you've got certain ET races that are running things behind the scenes, that are running the humans, in essence, then you've really got a much deeper game than most people understand they're playing.
	Did you come to that realization during the time you were working for Bush?
	During the time I was working with the Mossad, I can say that several remarks to me is, we are the chosen ones.
	And that's the way they feel, that's the way they operate, that's how they do business.
	They are the chosen ones.
	Everyone else be damned.
	Okay, and are you aware that the Chinese feel the same way about themselves?
	Well, Other than Lil Ulan in my office over here, no.
	He thinks he's the hottest thing in electronics, but...
	Okay.
	If I can answer that, Kerry, let's have a quick definition of what New World Order is and the Illuminati and the Council of 13, okay?
	There's 12 men.
	Now listen to the names very carefully.
	George Herbert Walker Bush, Leonard Millman, Larry Mizell, Meyer Rothschild, David Rockefeller, Grace of Grace and Company, Anwar bin Shree, the head rabbi of the Hedron in Israel, Pope Benedict, and a guy named Warburg.
	Now, the others, I don't know who they are.
	I know there's an Oriental, and I haven't been able to identify him, and quite frankly, I don't give a damn about identifying him.
	The names that I just mentioned can get you killed when you throw them in the group.
	Now, there are the 12 men that control everything on the planet.
	This is my, based on my own personal belief, based on the fact of the information that I've been given to by people that are high up, like you take Ed Slade, that was the Area 51 scientists, and many other people that have worked at Area 52 and interconnected and military intelligence and NSA and CIA and all the alphabet agencies that are in the know.
	They have said, But there's 200,000 of them that are alien-possessed walking among us.
	They say, still, all 12 of that count of 13 that you've identified, which is the 12 plus a answer to the devil, quote-unquote, they are fallen angel-possessed.
	Some that don't believe in God say that they are alien-possessed.
	I call them fallen angel-possessed.
	So let's define it that way, okay?
	Okay, yeah, that's fair enough, okay?
	We have underneath them, they have right now, they have supposedly 20 million of their offsprings walking among us today here on planet Earth.
	Now, those 20 million are in high levels of corporate positions, controlling their money, and in high level government positions.
	And what's interesting is if you take those 12 men and look at what they owned according to the General Accounting Office in 1981, they only controlled 20% of the U.S. economy.
	The General Accounting Office said in June 2012 that they were in control of 95% and that 400 men had grown to where they made more money than half of the population of the United States of America, which is at 330 million.
	They're making more per year.
	I mean, it's bizarre.
	Okay, Stu, thank you.
	Thank you.
	And I appreciate that.
	I have heard these kind of statements from you, and I appreciate the truth of them, okay?
	But what I'm trying on this broadcast is not to go over old ground.
	I know you just did a broadcast with Stephen Kelly in which you said the exact same thing.
	I listened to it.
	Sorry?
	David Rush, Leonard Bowman, Larry Weisel, There's no problem with the connection here.
	...are all connected.
	I get it.
	The Zionist Connection.
	Okay.
	I don't think you just heard me.
	Okay.
	Okay, Stu, I appreciate that.
	Okay, we want to go over.
	You've got anything they haven't done.
	They've done anything except just take you out and rape you, throw you in a concentration camp.
	Or the other side of the equation, they have to turn you into one of their little robots.
	I got it.
	Stu, I appreciate that.
	Okay, calm down.
	Calm down.
	We want to give Chip a little bit of time here, okay?
	I've got to say, I love Stu's rants.
	It's part of what it costs to do the interview.
	But at this point, I'm really going to ask you to stand down for a minute, Stu, and let's talk to Chip a little bit longer here.
	Okay, so Chip, you're out here.
	You're going the circuit.
	You've got information you're putting out, very interesting information about basically giving the nuke to Iran.
	The playing field in terms of what's going on here.
	You understand the game here on Earth.
	You understand that they're putting one side against the other side in order to get their goals achieved, correct?
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, with all of that in mind, do you have an optimistic view of the future at this time?
	Oh, sure.
	I mean, neither side wants total destruction.
	They only want control.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Well, at this moment, I do hope that your information is going to keep you continually safe.
	I'm going to look and see if there are any more questions that have come into the chat since the last sort of break we had there.
	Someone wants to know, is this live?
	You know, if you can't tell something live when you see it, then, you know, maybe you're not live.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Someone here wants to know about the crafts parked on the backside of the moon.
	I'm asking Chip, so I know that, Stu, you might have a point of view on that, but I first want to hear Chip.
	Have you heard anything about these crafts, and do you have an opinion about it?
	I only know from the astronauts and their trips up there and around and what they've seen, and there's something there.
	That's all I know.
	I mean, I've not been there.
	I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but I've spoken with our astronauts and several of them have seen and they have pictures.
	I mean, they have pictures while they were standing on the moon of themselves being observed by crabs.
	Okay, and it's your understanding that they actually did stand on the moon.
	In other words, are you aware of the story?
	I'm aware.
	Okay.
	And I saw the movie too.
	Yes, I'm aware and yes, I Yes, they did stand on the move.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Are there any assassinations that have happened around the world lately?
	Any hits that you want to...
	Sorry?
	A few bankers just recently.
	Right.
	I've asked you about them and you did answer me earlier in the show, but we can talk about it again, no problem.
	Do you know what they were going to blow the whistle on?
	I have no idea.
	You know, there was so much movement of monies and so much going on that whenever that happens and whenever paranoia sets in on the leaders, Then they have to start looking for the weak links.
	How can we control that?
	They look for their control.
	And they identify those weaker links and they neutralize, they terminate those weaker links.
	Those weaker links are no longer there.
	Now the others who might be wanting to talk are basically neutralized and understand what a few words will get them.
	Okay, do you understand, having been not only sort of in a military position as well as Special Forces, etc., etc., and your long resume interacting with the Bush cabal, do you understand the nature of a false flag, how to set one up, and how to see one when you see it out there, the evidence of it?
	Sure.
	We've set some up in the past, and maybe another program we can talk about.
	Another program.
	I always say that because I started at 6 this morning and I'm tired now.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	Well, you've been a great sport.
	You have contact information.
	I set you up with the show so you can bring him back on another hundred times and you won't have me around blowing my mouth off and get directly to the questions.
	How's that?
	Okay.
	Well, that sounds fair enough and that sounds good.
	Okay.
	Let me see.
	I'm just going to scan down this list here real quick and then I'm going to let you go.
	Any last Like somebody burning question that has to hear the answer right here and right now.
	Okay, somebody says, what about Cheney?
	They thought he was, you know, very high up in the bush cabal.
	They don't hear much about him lately.
	Thoughts?
	You know, Cheney's been around a very, very long time.
	And he was in the background in earlier years, but he would always speak up and make sure Sometimes they're too busy to be in the public eye, and when they're not in the public eye, it's time to worry.
	There's a reason they're not in the public eye.
	Okay, what about Kissinger?
	Same thing?
	They're very busy in the other areas.
	Yes.
	Okay, what about the notion that some of these people might have been cloned?
	Anything's possible when it comes to cloning.
	I saw that in Cuba.
	Believe me, anything's possible there.
	Okay, well, did you see it in Russia?
	Because I understand there's an island off the coast of Russia, wasn't it, what's his name, Russ Bakker, whatever?
	Yeah, Gunther.
	Gunther, wasn't he always talking about an island off the coast of Russia where they put a lot of the Russians, came into the United States and kidnapped a bunch of our leaders and cloned them and brought them back and started ordering them around?
	I didn't hear that, you know, we spoke of other things, military things, you know, so...
	That probably is that rumor mill, his ex-black widow wife, Ray Allen.
	Ray Allen?
	Let me tell you something.
	That woman's a clown.
	She's disinformation for the government.
	You can roll your eyeballs all you want.
	I could write a whole piece on this woman.
	You could ask yourself...
	Okay, so you don't believe...
	Hold on.
	Two days before her husband died, and then she marries him two days later, a month later.
	He's in a prison cell for five years.
	Okay, hold on.
	Hold on, Stu.
	Stu.
	Let's...
	No, the question was about an island off the coast of Russia.
	Are you aware of that island or not?
	No, no.
	I've never even heard about this bogus stuff.
	Okay, fine.
	Okay, let's leave it there.
	Let's not, you know, because I'm not interested in bad-mouthing individuals here.
	I've had documents on my side for a long time.
	Since we just had this discussion, I'll throw his documents back up on there, tying the Israelis, tying the Millman.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	I have another question.
	Thank you, Stu.
	I really appreciate it.
	I have another last question.
	Do you think that there is a movement towards what we call disclosure?
	Chip, in terms of the world's populations, do you think that they want to announce the fact that we are being interacted with by even humanoid beings from other planets?
	Do you think that they want to reveal that truth?
	The more and more you see simple things like television shows and movies and starting to mold the minds of people to be more accepting of certain things, those are what we call indicators.
	And I believe those are indicators that something's going on there, yes.
	Okay.
	Great.
	All right.
	I want to thank both of you very much.
	You've both been good sports.
	You've stuck with it.
	You've answered my questions directly, and I do appreciate it.
	This has been a lot of fun.
	I think the people listening and the people that will listen when this goes on YouTube, we're going to make some waves out there, and I do think it's going to be fascinating information for people.
	There's a lot more things we can talk about, so let's do this again sometime, okay?
	Be happy to, Carrie.
	Thank you for having me.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	And thank you.
	Thank you both.
	All right?
	All right, everyone.
	Thank you very much for listening.
	Good night.

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