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Feb. 1, 2013 - Project Camelot

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02/01/2013 - Michael Hemmingson

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	Our hero, our hero, things are warriors' hearts.
	I tell you, I tell you, the dragonborn comes.
	It is really hard to wake everyone up.
	And it is also true that it's sort of like we have a small but critical mass.
	That's okay.
	Do you know that we don't need everyone in this room?
	Let's say all of you are sleeping, and one person who is awake walked into this crowd.
	Because of the nature of humanity and the nature of that thing you want to call it, glow or magnetism or whatever, it spreads.
	It's contagious.
	It's amazing.
	And if you put that person on stage, like let's say John Lennon, Then, hello!
	We're waking people up in droves.
	And they don't even know why they're waking up.
	It's just like turning on a lightbulb.
	Suddenly, it starts to make sense.
	And you've got to keep questioning everything.
	Question me, question Camelot, question everything.
	Do your research, though.
	Don't go around with opinions, thinking you know it all, or putting people down or going into a negative space because you don't want to hear it.
	Because it doesn't fit some previous download that you got on planet Earth from your priest, or your father, or your mother, or whatever the kind of thing.
	You know, bottom line is, it's all trash.
	You decide.
	Okay?
	Because you're the ones here, and you have the equipment to do so.
	What are you capable of?
	Because that's really the bottom line, and that's why you have the oppression on Earth that you have at this time.
	Because there are ET races out there who want the resources, they want your genetics, and they want to control you.
	Why?
	Because they know that if the tables are allowed to be turned, then you may end up controlling them.
	Now, I don't recommend that, but I just want you to know that the potential of the human vehicle, as you may call it, is virtually unlimited if you view it in this fashion.
	You have two paths to choose from here on Earth at this time.
	One is angelic human, which is your natural progression and your re-evolution back to source.
	You have the Robotic Superman.
	And the Robotic Superman is the path that the military-industrial complex, the secret side of it, has decided to go.
	I don't care what happens on planet Earth, I'm going to be on the front lines.
	Until the last minute.
	That's just my personality.
	Actually, I was supposed to be murdered for that.
	They wanted to kill me over that interview because of the way I handled it.
	And they were not happy with the fact that even though he denied what I asked him, there's a sense where you can ask a question as a journalist and even when the person denies it, it's obvious they're lying.
	My job is to get the truth out, okay?
	That's the bottom line.
	Now, I don't violate secrecy either.
	I keep confidences, but I do put the truth out for you to know.
	It probably will get worse before it gets better, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, in my view.
	And I'm out here on stage and talking to you and doing what I do in Camelot every day, and I work a lot.
	And I have to say that I'm doing this because I believe we have a future.
	That this rendition of humanity, this seeding, has every chance of making it through.
	That for the first time in all the seedings of humanity on planet Earth, that you guys are going to make it all the way.
	Okay?
	And so I'm putting everything I have behind that.
	And I want to make sure that happens.
	Hi there.
	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And it is Wednesday night.
	We're going to have a very interesting show tonight.
	I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there in anticipation of what might go on here.
	Let me say from the outset that I have requested of our guest, Michael Hemmingson, that we do not badmouth anyone and that we don't name names.
	He can describe sort of loosely, I guess.
	Some of his prior references, if indeed we find out that he was former White Hatter is, however you want to look at that.
	But we're going to go down that road and we're going to discuss that with him in depth.
	In the meantime, right before that, I have Makoto Mitubashi.
	I think I'm saying that right.
	Makoto, are you there?
	Hello, can you hear me?
	Yes, I can hear you.
	And he is here with us for about 10 minutes to talk about his upcoming conference, which is a small conference happening, I believe, in the Phoenix area next week on, I think it's the 19th and 20th of January, correct?
	Yes, actually a few days from today, this coming Saturday.
	It's already 16th, Gary.
	Wow, okay.
	Okay, so Makoto, first of all, let me say to people that Makoto has been a very longtime supporter of Camelot.
	He is actually a delightful individual and he has helped us out, he has helped me out very specifically.
	When I've been at conferences, he just shows up sort of like a I don't know, some bright elf and then he helps me with technical things behind the scenes.
	He was there during the Bob Dean interview when we had Clifford Stone and Bob Dean together.
	He was helping with the cameras at that point.
	He was also there behind the camera filming me on stage when I was in Sedona doing a lecture there.
	So, he has been there for the past few years for me.
	In return, I wanted to do him this small favor and let him talk about his upcoming conference.
	It's a very small conference, but it is important and important to him and to the people that he's including in the conference, and I will let him tell you about it.
	So, it is centered around, from what I understand, Andrew Bishago and Project Pegasus and the advent of time travel 1968 to 1972.
	So, let's see, Makoto, do you want to describe where it's being held and why you decided to do the conference?
	Yes.
	Basically, Andy and me are kind of friends, the same age.
	And actually the birthday couple weeks apart, and then we both Virgo, a little bit nerdy guy, and they just hit it off each other.
	And I'd like to do something for Andy's, this Truth Campaign.
	And I call him up and say, Andy, it's time for you to come over here, Phoenix, and kickstart this thing.
	And then he said okay and he wants to do this 19th something to coincide with Obama's inauguration because he wants to make a point.
	That he knew Obama when he was using a name of Satoro, the Indonesian name, and then met the same classroom and supposed to be, I don't know if Dave is angry about this, but supposed to be he was the instructor at that time and they both know about this CIA Black Project of going visiting Mars at that time.
	And then I really want to help him to do that at the same time.
	This is a good chance because I also invited two British prominent researchers and one actually one person is ET Contactee.
	His name is Simon Parks.
	You can google up the YouTube but there's a A few hours of his interview is made by Miles, my friend, and he used to work for the BBC engineering the camera.
	And then we're going to just explore what the culture of Ma there existed, or maybe still something going on.
	Andy being able to describe the three Martians humanoid when he met, when he was like six, seven years old.
	And also he can describe the surface as modern and everything.
	And this Mr. Simon Parks, he has an ET spouse, according to his interview.
	And this ET spouse is a white cat.
	and originally from Cyrus and of course that anybody who studied Richard Holgren the study about the Space Cadet I think he first time he talked about this year 2000 back then and there's a radio program during the 1950
	There's a space cat, it's a little bit like a Star Trek episode.
	Eventually they discover the being behind all of the culture of Egypt and Mars is a white cat.
	And it's going to be so interesting.
	And we talk about this technology, teleportation, and Mr. Simon Park is also familiar with teleportation technology.
	And then we'd like to talk about this.
	Also, yeah.
	Makoto, can you, because, you know, it's taking a bit of time here and I want people to be able to find your meetup on, is it on Facebook?
	It's on actually meetup.com or you can just Google Phoenix, folks, you have to put the Phoenix in front of this word.
	Phoenix, awake, and aware, and it should come up.
	It's Scottsdale-based.
	Okay, he wasn't supposed to use the name of my conference, but that's okay.
	He sort of has this ground crew, you know, group in Phoenix.
	And so he's using the name Awake and Aware and so he put Phoenix Awake and Aware and I guess if you put that in you'll find it at meetup.com.
	M-E-E-T-U-P dot com.
	And then on top of it, are you on Facebook, Makoto?
	Yes, I'm on Facebook and then just Makoto Mitsuboshi Facebook and should be able to.
	You can also put it on my Facebook page, you know, as a message on my page on the Camelot Project, Camelot Facebook and also Carolyn Cassidy Facebook page for people to find.
	But it's mainly from what we understand because it's a small, you know, situation and they are going to try to have some people Skyping in.
	Possibly I might Skype in for a bit if I have a chance.
	I'm not sure if that'll work out.
	But at any rate, I believe, did you have some other guests that you were also going to have Skyping in?
	Not Skyping.
	Jerry Wills will be physically with us.
	He is supposed to be a Taoist person.
	What was the name?
	Jerry Wills.
	Oh, Jerry Wills.
	And also, hopefully, Bob Dean will be getting permission from Marsha.
	I will pull him out from his house and bring him to the conference.
	Okay, because you're going to be in Phoenix.
	All right.
	Well, I'm not sure that's going to be so likely.
	Bob has been having some health problems, but who knows?
	So you're doing this and it starts on Saturday.
	It looks like.
	Let's announce where it's going to be.
	So it's Saturday at 10 a.m.
	to 5 p.m.
	At the Clarion Hotel Phoenix Tech Center, which is 5121 East La Puenta Avenue in Phoenix, and it's $25 a day if you want to attend in person.
	Makoto, you just wanted to get local people to come down, hopefully, right?
	Yes, any person who is hiding in a closet and is actually a fan of Carrie Cassidy and Project Camelot, everybody should come out.
	Okay, anybody who's hiding in a closet and is a Camelot fan but doesn't want people to know is what he means.
	Okay, Makoto, thank you very much.
	I have another guest, as you know, so we don't have a lot more time to spend.
	Thanks for having me.
	Thank you very much for this opportunity.
	Absolutely.
	And thank you so much for your support of Project Camelot in the past, Makoto, and every success with your conference this weekend.
	And if I get a chance and you try to Skype me in, then I will try to see what we can do there as well.
	Yes, we'd love to have you.
	Thank you very much.
	And keep up the great work.
	Good work.
	Thank you, Gary.
	Bye.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay.
	So that was Makoto Mitubashi, I believe is how you say his last name.
	Anyway, and he's actually a fascinating individual.
	So to continue, first of all, let me say that we're still looking for a webmaster.
	We do have somebody who's volunteered, who does security for banks in the UK, who has been doing a whole workup on the security of our site.
	And our sites and all the problems that we're having.
	So that's a very good thing.
	He's doing that for free and just going to tell us everything that's wrong with our site.
	Meanwhile, in terms of security, and then meanwhile, we're still looking for a person to come on board as a webmaster who can dedicate time to building new things, basically to expand the Camelot brand.
	And we are also expanding the Camelot store and we're sending out actually sent out an email today.
	By the way, if you haven't already subscribed to the Camelot newsletter, we do send out newsletters every couple of weeks, sometimes more often than that, depending on if we have an event happening.
	And I do encourage you to sign up.
	It is free.
	And you just go to the front page of Camelot, just scroll down on the right-hand side, and you will see the newsletter.
	You just put in your name.
	It's really extremely simple.
	You don't have to fill out a bunch of forms or anything like that.
	Just name and email address.
	I think that's it.
	And subscribe.
	And that would be great if people listening could do that, if you haven't already done that.
	Okay, I think that's all the basic business that I wanted to talk about, other than we did move the Awake and Aware It is going to be about time travel and other worlds.
	It's going to be moved to April 5th, 6th, and 7th, the weekend of 5th, 6th, and 7th, simply because it's been absolutely freezing and there was not enough time to get the whole thing off the ground with the Egypt trip and the interruption of the holiday season.
	And so we decided to move it and be guaranteed warm weather in April, hopefully, in January.
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	Oh, life is bigger.
	So big.
	It's you.
	Here it has to be.
	radio and we're going to be talking to Michael Hemmingson and many people think there's a 99.99% chance that he is former white hat the former white hat who had that um uh what do you call that I I don't know.
	A blog?
	A website?
	Whatever.
	TheFormerWhiteHat.com, I think, was the URL.
	But, Michael, you're certainly aware of that website, right?
	Yes, I've read it.
	Okay.
	And you say that you're not him, right?
	You're not, let's see, you're not The Former White Hat, right?
	Well, I think there's some people out there who are expecting me to say I am Iron Man.
	Actually, I am Iron Man.
	No, I'm not the former White Hat.
	In fact, it's several people that I do know I'm associated with, but I've never written any of those blog entries.
	Okay.
	And so you say it's a group.
	Is that right?
	It's a group of several people.
	They're not associated with the White House report either, as some people have said.
	Well, I don't know.
	You want me to go into the story?
	Sure.
	It originated out of a group of people from the Benjamin Fulford website who began it.
	I believe some of the first posts were that Ben Fulford had been cloned when he had disappeared.
	I think it was December of 2010, or maybe it was 2011.
	He had disappeared for a while, and some had said that he had been kidnapped by the CIA, and that Choi Dan Daikaku, the white dragon leader, had negotiated his release.
	Actually, Choi Dan Daikaku had even gotten on TV and claimed this, and then Ben Fullford had said that didn't happen.
	I believe one of the first posts was that they had stated that that Fulford had been cloned.
	And interesting enough, here's a hint.
	I can give you a hint.
	So the same day that the cloning of Ben Fulford came out, the same day Fulford had gotten onto Sean David Martin's show and talked about it, and of course he said, no, I wasn't cloned.
	I wasn't kidnapped.
	None of that ever happened.
	Now, I did support the blog.
	I had posted a link of it on my Facebook, which some people have said, well, it must be he posted a link on the same day.
	It has to be him.
	And I also had posted some links in the Ben Fullford website.
	His website, his weekly reports, you know, he's got quite a few people who Who read that thing and they sort of fight who's going to be the first to comment on the blog and he gets thousands and thousands of commentary on his blog.
	It's almost like a network site in itself.
	Right.
	Well, I was a member for a while of that site, but I found the dialogue to be less than stimulating, let us say.
	Not to be bad-mouthing those people, but just, you know, after a while, some of this stuff, of course, if you're Camelot, gets rather repetitive.
	Right.
	As you can possibly appreciate.
	But let's just say this.
	I have done some of my own research, and for all intents and purposes, It makes perfect sense that you would be this guy.
	Now, the person that I think you would be is this person who is related to Anais Nin.
	Oh, uh, Loose Cannon.
	Khan.
	Louis Khan Nin.
	Right?
	Louis Khan Nin is a Loose Cannon.
	Well, he may be a loose cannon, but he's also, he's also, uh, well, he writes, uh, erotic, what's, I don't know if it's called porn or erotica, but I think it's called erotica.
	Yeah.
	And so do you.
	Yep.
	And that's, uh, sort of a coincidence that one can't quite explain away so easily.
	Uh, loose cannon, loose cannon is a house pen name for Olympia Press.
	A house pen name is just a pen name that a lot of people write under.
	Okay, and you know this because why?
	Because I know what goes on at Olympia Press.
	I mean, house pen names are pretty common with actually a lot of publishers.
	You know, you see the Westerns and the Men's Adventures that always seem to be written by the same person, but they're not.
	There's several people writing under it.
	It's just what's called a house pen name.
	Okay, a house pen name.
	Now, I, you know, let me just be honest here because I also, uh, I didn't have you investigated, but, and not you particularly.
	I had former White Hat investigated, but I didn't have him investigated.
	Somebody Let's say volunteered to have him investigated and did investigate him.
	Someone who's very experienced at that sort of thing and did find out that he, the former White Hat, is indeed Louis Kahn-Nin.
	And Louis Kahn-Nin is indeed a real person and he is indeed I don't know if he's a grandson or what, but he's a relative of Anna Eastman.
	And Anna Eastman, for those who are not familiar, was a woman who wrote in the, I believe it was the early 19th century.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	Early 20th century.
	Okay, early 20s.
	Yeah, 1900s.
	And she wrote Erotica, and she was known to be something of a feminist.
	She was bisexual, I believe.
	And we read her in college, so I'm familiar with her work to some degree.
	She was a very excellent writer and quite a well-respected member of literary society in Paris in sort of the grand days of the early 1900s.
	Now, that is who Louis Kahn-Nin is related to, and indeed, he is a real person.
	I'm not going to reveal anything else that we found out about him or certain relatives of his, except to say that he does exist.
	It is interesting, this idle, wild group Because this is the new, there's a new website out.
	Apparently, from what I understand, I may have this wrong and you can even correct me if you know something more up-to-date about it, but the former White Hat on WordPress, that website has now sort of gone defunct.
	Is that right?
	Apparently.
	Okay.
	There was a, it was called Confessions of a Former White Hat Operative.
	And that person then sort of has left.
	And then now we have another website, which is a new rendition, which is called the Idlewildgroupwordpress.com.
	And they actually are saying that you were killed and cloned on January 13, 2013.
	Let's see what's today.
	That was just a few days ago.
	And you know, what's so funny is, and I find this very amusing, but You know, people like to go crazy and think, first of all, you and I. Now, have we met, Michael?
	I've been to one of your conferences, but I don't think we met.
	Okay.
	Because I don't recall ever meeting you.
	I know that you were at the recent Alchemy event, though, and you were actually there in person, correct?
	Yes, I was, yeah.
	And did you have a table there, or what happened?
	No, Revolution Radio had a table there.
	We were broadcasting live.
	Okay, do you still have a radio show on Revolution?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that had discontinued for some reason, but okay, so cool.
	So people can actually listen to you on Revolution.
	I am also on Revolution on Fridays from 7 p.m.
	this same time, 7 p.m.
	to 9 p.m.
	Pacific Time.
	You're on at what time?
	I'm on Wednesdays, 5 to 7 Pacific.
	I just finished my show, jumping over here.
	And on Sundays at 10 o'clock in the morning, I read fiction.
	You do?
	Either what I wrote or from other people.
	Usually I just read classic science fiction stories.
	Oh, very cool.
	Okay, I didn't know about that.
	Um, all right.
	And so many people I assume at the Alchemy event met you in person.
	And did you get people coming up to you saying, Oh, your former white hat?
	No, nobody did that.
	Nobody at all.
	Wow, that's interesting.
	Okay, you know what's happening is that when I just said I was going to have you on my show, of course, I got a lot of threats, and I won't name who the threats came from, but various people were just freaking out to no end that you were going to be on my show because they think you're the former White Hat, right?
	Well, these people with just too much time on their hands or something.
	One of these people, he threatens everyone.
	He threatens a lot of people's lives.
	He's an alcoholic.
	Let's not go into too much detail because we don't want any further threats.
	You know, and the one thing, let me just say this about former White Hat and even this Idlewild, which I see is going along the same exact same lines as the former White Hat.
	So for all intents and purposes, he even looks the same.
	They are now saying, for example, that Stephen Kelly has been cloned.
	I don't know if they've really, if they've gotten around to saying I was cloned.
	I know at one point former White Hat said that I was cloned and then he changed his mind, which was very nice of him.
	But at any rate, I do know that I'm supposed to be from, I have a family on Procyon and husband and children and that I also, at one point I was Well, they tried to kidnap me, but then I was, um, I got away somehow.
	And so then I was, I took off from Catalina Island, I believe it was, and then I went to Procyon.
	Anyway, I have a very interesting, um, altered life.
	Which, of course, is courtesy of the former White Hat.
	The thing is that it boggles my mind how seriously people took this person, or this group, however you want to classify them.
	Can you really make sense of that?
	I mean, why is it that people in this sector, and really specifically in this sector, because I come from the entertainment industry originally.
	Right.
	And, you know, having a sense of humor is considered rather important.
	You know, it's kind of like de rigueur.
	It's simply a good idea.
	It's a healthy thing to have is a sense of humor.
	And these people do not have a sense of humor.
	I just, I'm amazed.
	One after the other.
	Even, and I know that some of the things that the former White House was saying were things that people didn't want to hear.
	Also, what he did was something very interesting to me.
	Because, you know, I have a BA in English, just for people out there that don't know, and I've studied literature, believe it or not, and so I know good writing when I see it, and there is some good writing in the Former Confessions of the Former White Hat site, and characterization as well, and what happened is he picked up on certain traits, and then he would sort of
	Expand them like any good writer does with using literary license and then You know go into a whole characterization of the person and and I mean it was the most wild stuff I mean one of the things he said I think one of the crueler things he said was actually that Bill Ryan was a I think he said he was a Nazi murderer.
	And he said David Wilcock, uh, married his, I guess, murdered his gay lover.
	And, I mean, there's all this wild stuff.
	And like I said, I'm from Prokyan.
	And I mean, look.
	I just lost you again.
	Thank you.
	It's possible.
	Thank you.
	Sounds like a... I don't know, a train going by or something.
	Anyway... Okay, there you go.
	I'm by the airport, that's why.
	Oh, okay.
	So, if somebody wants to kill you, they can find your location and pinpoint you?
	I thought I was already killed.
	Oh, well, right.
	There you go.
	I'm always the last one to hear about these things, because I just saw that blog post today.
	Really, yeah.
	I just saw it as I'm online with you this moment because I don't read, I don't actually have time to read all the things these people write, the various people that are out there writing.
	Just happened to, you know, as part of the show I thought it would be fun to go over and see what the Idlewild group was writing and sure enough they have a nice picture of you and an article about you saying Oh, actually, that you were killed, they say, and I'm reading, by Duncan O'Finnian and his father, Alistair Crowley.
	Duncan's father.
	He's not his father, you guys.
	These people are just, you know, out of their minds making shit up.
	So I wish people would get a sense of humor, number one.
	Have some fun with it.
	Start your own, you know, website, blogging, making shit up.
	I mean, you know, it's just have sort of a good attitude.
	Stop being so crazy.
	But from your perspective, do you mind if the former White Hat or the Idlewild group has said you're cloned and killed?
	Oh, not at all.
	And of course, how would I know if I was killed and cloned?
	I wouldn't know, so... Are you sure?
	Well, maybe you would.
	I mean, perhaps you'd be in on it.
	If you were a clone, you could have been in on it.
	Did I clone myself?
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	And we are talking to Michael Hemmingson, someone who claims he is not the former White Hat.
	And let me say right here that so people don't get confused because I know there are a lot of people out there that are completely confused.
	And the White Hats that I've referenced in my, for example, report on black projects and who've got a website called The tdarkcabalblogspot.com, I believe is their URL, have nothing to do with the confessions of the former White Hat, which is a different website altogether and a different person or group of people.
	The White Hats is a terminology that is used to describe People that work on the dark side, but that work for and on behalf of the light.
	And they, I don't know, whistleblowers in our past have coined that phrase.
	It somehow caught on and a lot of people use it.
	I believe the former White Hat used it because he was trying to distinguish himself from not being One of those, he didn't want to say that he had been working sort of for the light on behalf of the dark, or on the side of the dark, or hidden in the dark.
	Correct, Michael?
	Hello?
	Okay, Michael Hemingson, have we lost you?
	Hello?
	Hello!
	Hi, Michael?
	Can you hear me?
	Now I can, yeah.
	I don't know what's going on because I haven't had this problem with Skype all day long.
	Yep, I hear you.
	Well, this is just par for the course because certain people don't want us to say certain things about, for example, the Chinese military and their movements, etc., I'm sure.
	So, do you want to make that segue while we're still on the air and we have half a shot at getting this stuff out there?
	Uh, sure.
	I, uh, just say, no, I am not the former White Hat.
	Yes, I do know who they are.
	I'm associated, but it's not me.
	The only person who seemed to ever figure it out, I think, was Bill Brockrader, before he got tossed in the pokey on his show.
	He had said, it's obvious, he had said, it's obviously several people because the writing styles and all the posts are different.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess you'd have to read all the posts to know that, but yeah.
	Right.
	Well, I mean, I think that's possible.
	Based on what I know of the profile of the former White Hat, let's say, there's a remarkable similarity between them as well that is rather uncanny.
	But be that as it may, and Let me say that I haven't read any of your books, so I can't tell you whether or not your style matches his, for example.
	Right.
	But I believe there are people who possibly have read some of your books and are aware of the similarities.
	There are so many bizarre things going on behind the scenes that we can talk about.
	But first of all, let's start off with We can kind of circle back on the former White Hat and the postings on Idlewild and so on.
	And you basically have a life besides that, regardless of what your association is or was with the former White Hat website, which is now more or less defunct.
	And whether or not you do or don't have any association with the Idyllwild.
	I mean, it's the kind of thing where it's a formula, almost.
	And once you get the formula, the Idyllwild group could, in theory, be anybody who just follows the template, right?
	I guess so.
	I mean, it seems there were a couple of offshoot blogs of the former White Hat that were I'm assuming we're created by other people that were actually lampooning him.
	Okay.
	Well, you know, that's cool.
	And, you know, you see, people have to understand because you use the word lampoon, and I would use the word, you know, spoof.
	And there's more words along those lines that people, again, have to get a grip on reality and understand.
	And so I think that it's really interesting.
	Maybe a person has to say, if you're a droid, do you have a sense of humor?
	You know, because maybe the only distinction between us Certainly.
	You know, like Whitley Strieber and others say that even the aliens have a sort of bizarre sense of humor.
	So it's an interesting concept.
	You know, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the drones, the gray human biological entities, don't have a sense of humor and therefore they can be identified.
	And they probably are fairly predictable as well.
	That's one thing I've noticed.
	Okay, so as far as your career, let's sort of back up for a minute.
	So how did you get into writing the books you write?
	Well, I write all different kind of books.
	I mean, some people seem to center on the literary erotica, but that's just only a portion of them.
	I've written crime noir novels, all of them that have been optioned.
	Not made into movies, but they've been optioned.
	Science fiction.
	I have a PhD in anthropology and my dissertation is published in cultural anthropology.
	I've written a lot of academic essays either through social sciences or literary criticism.
	I also have a master's in literature.
	I pretty much write everything, and I've been involved in the television and film industry.
	I have one indie film out called The Watermelon that we made, or they made, for half a million dollars, which, as you know, in Hollywood money, that's peanuts.
	It's lunch on a Spielberg set.
	Wait, it's called The Water what?
	The Watermelon.
	The watermelon?
	Yeah.
	It's on, you can rent it on Netflix and blockbuster.
	We, you know, we did the film circuit thing.
	Are we at a break?
	Amazingly, we have another, yet another break.
	This time, I hope we can stay in contact with you after the break so we can get you back on.
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	Michael, so right before the break, we were talking about your credentials and they are impressive as a writer, no doubt about it.
	So you've done all sorts of things and all sorts of kinds of writing, and you've got things that are being optioned.
	Do you have anything that's currently, like, about to be picked up and made into a movie?
	My first novel is being made into a sort of artsy-fartsy film in Paris and London, which should start shooting around in May.
	Um, by this, uh, director, Ian Simpson.
	He's, he's done a couple of films.
	I mean, you know, no big, I'm kind of surprised that it's being funded by the French government, which kind of makes me laugh, especially when I got a check from him.
	But you know, over there, they're, you know, the government, you know, like.
	Yes.
	Funds the arts of all things.
	What's that?
	They fund the arts of all things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They fund the arts.
	Um, But that's about it.
	I've got a lot of screenplays and novels that are optioned for 12 or 18 months.
	For instance, Cinemax has one of my novels.
	They've had it since 2007 and every 18 months they re-option it.
	I cashed the check.
	Supposedly there's a script, but they haven't let me see it.
	That's interesting.
	Are these people aware that you have a radio show?
	Uh, no.
	I've only been doing the radio show since April, and actually it was through you, because I just went over there to listen to your show and heard the owner saying, hey, if anyone wants to do a show, I mean, I did radio, some radio on Blog Talk Radio back in 2005 with my ex-fiancee.
	It was called Feng Shui and UFOs.
	She was a Feng Shui person, so she talked about Feng Shui, and I talked about UFOs.
	Okay.
	I have some radio experience, but I just do it for the fun of it.
	I'm not really interested in being a Sean David Morton or anything like that.
	Okay.
	Well, that's okay.
	We need all kinds in radio, as they say.
	Let me ask you this, you know, originally we had talked, the very first time I actually had you on my show, before you got your radio show, and you came to me as a sort of a reporter who was living down in the Baja area, and you had contacts who were telling you things like there were Chinese troops that were going underground, and that there were various equipment was being moved around, right?
	Yeah, well, I, you know, along with, you know, screenwriting, writing, and all that stuff, I'm also a journalist.
	I've worked for, since 1994, you know, I've worked for the Associated Press, Reuters.
	I used to be a war correspondent in Rwanda, Bosnia, Somalia, various places in Africa.
	And from 2005 to 2009, I covered the drug cartels down in Tijuana. - Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	I have a home down there.
	I live half-time in... Well, actually, I have three homes.
	I live in L.A., San Diego, and Tijuana.
	The L.A.
	stuff is just for business.
	I share an apartment with a friend.
	So, I work down there covering the drug cartels while... It's calmed down there right now.
	But during the more violent times, well, the the Ariano Felix family had lost control of the drug corridor and various factions were fighting for it.
	Well, do you happen to know who this Freeway Ricky, what's his name?
	Freeway Ricky something?
	Nope.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, he was, I guess, involved in all of that, too.
	And anyway, I have a friend who's taking a meeting on a possible movie project on this, guys.
	And it does have to do with the cartels.
	But this hopefully will not be from that point of view, which is kind of tried and, you know, been done many, many times over and over again.
	So, You said something interesting because I have this unwanted publicity guy who's actually living on the street and he's what's called a knock, which is a CIA agent who they don't acknowledge ever worked for them and he's an investigator and he's a financial forensic financial investigator and really does know his stuff.
	And all you have to do is spend a little bit of time reading some of his articles that I've linked on various posts.
	And you'll see that that's the truth.
	He is in desperate straits and keeps kind of also maybe shooting himself in the foot metaphorically because somehow he ends up getting robbed.
	And maybe the street is an easy place to be a target in that way.
	But even when people have donated money, he's gotten robbed.
	So it's been very difficult for him to get off the street, so to speak.
	And I don't even know how he got on the street to begin with, except that according to his story, he...
	Worked for the CIA doing a job and part of that job was to go undercover pretending to lose his or actually losing his citizenship.
	And then they tried to get his citizenship back, get his health and care and all this kind of stuff on top of his paychecks.
	They disowned him.
	Which I'm told is not so unusual that the CAA can drop you.
	It's kind of like burn notice, maybe that TV show a little bit, except this guy doesn't land on his feet quite like the guy in the TV show.
	But at any rate, he keeps sending me information and it would be very nice to have him on my show, but he can't even afford a proper phone so that he can talk to me on the phone.
	You had mentioned that his recent post that I put on my blog about this building being what in essence sounds kind of like a jump room in El Segundo, right?
	Over at 999 or Sepulveda by the airport.
	Yeah, well is it there or in El Segundo?
	Well, it's El Segundo, but it's by the airport.
	Yeah, so same place.
	But anyway, he mentions it, and people that are interested, go to my blog, which is the front page of Camelot.
	You just scroll down to the blog, and then keep scrolling, and you'll see the post.
	He's called Whistleblower Needs Help, in this case.
	He's the unwanted publicity guy and he talks about some of his background and he talks about his exposure to some.
	He's starting to come forward.
	I think maybe he just kind of starting to realize that some of his financial stuff is less than super interesting to me, but that some things that he might reveal that are more, you know, above top secret are of interest.
	And so he's starting to reveal some of those things.
	You said that you remember that building.
	Is that right?
	I do from hypnotic regression.
	I was going to get to that.
	I thought we were going to talk about the Chinese troops.
	Well, no.
	If you have something to say about the Chinese troops, do say so, and then let's move on to this.
	Okay.
	So anyway, as I was saying, I worked as a journalist covering the drug cartels, and that five years, you know, I had certain sources.
	There's a lot of CIA and DHS down in Tijuana.
	Working out of various various places, but I was getting information, but it also goes back to Art Bell and Coast to Coast had twice had some former.
	Not a former white hat, no, he had some former.
	Border Patrol agent, I can't remember his name, but he had talked about a secret war going on between the Border Patrol and the Chinese military.
	And then Steve Quayle has been following this for a while.
	And as I worked down in Tijuana, I had noticed an increase of Chinese immigrants or Chinese citizens moving into Tijuana.
	Number one, businesses, they're financially heavy in the infrastructure of not just Tijuana, but a lot of the border cities.
	But just I'm talking tens of thousands of Chinese men in their late 20s and early 30s All have a lot of money It just seemed kind of strange is why are these and then I started hearing about the troops so I went out I recently went back out, but I was going out in the desert regions by Calexico and Mexicali which is between
	Tijuana and, well, Mexicali is the capital of Baja California.
	And I saw them out there.
	I've been seeing these tanks and troop carriers, you know, I saw them doing maneuvers.
	So I went to the Chinese council, council there in Tijuana, asking, you know, with my press credentials, you know, I have my press credentials with me.
	I'm like, what's going on out there?
	Why do you got the troops out there?
	Finally got an answer from them that said, well, the terrain is a lot like the Chinese desert terrain, so we're just training out there.
	I said, that doesn't make any sense.
	Why don't you just train in China?
	So I'm not the only one who's been noticing this.
	Absolutely not.
	Well, in a sense, this is even old news.
	I will say that there's no doubt whatsoever that their purpose there is diabolical.
	The question is why, yeah, why have they been there for so long?
	You know, a lot of theories, you know, it's going to be the invasion, they're going to help the UN out when martial law happens.
	But just in the last few years, I've just noted more influx.
	Now, actually, go back to Bill Brockrader.
	I actually heard him say that he had heard from his contacts that The Chinese military were posing as civilians, you know, just they weren't wearing their uniforms out there.
	Yes.
	And like I said, you know, I noticed tens of thousands of they're all men in their late 20s, early 30s, all fit and rich.
	They have a lot of money.
	Also, the Yakuza has moved in until one in the in the red light district.
	Actually, there's been a problem with the Yakuza bringing in under Asian girls for prostitution that actually the government in Mexico has been cracking down on.
	But I have a new theory.
	Just recently, I think in October, China had made an agreement with Mexico to buy their crude oil with the yuan, not the petrodollar, the U.S. petrodollar.
	Of course, we saw what happened to Libya when Libya did that.
	And also, China had put in a trillion dollars of gold into the Mexican Central Bank. - Yes.
	The only reason I think they did that was to ensure that the peso doesn't crash when the dollar crashes, because if the dollar crashes, the peso is going to crash with it.
	OK, I have a go ahead.
	No, I have a source in the The local police there in Tijuana, who she had gotten, I think it was back in late September, all police agencies and federal agencies have been put on notice that there might be a border closing and there might be riots because the dollar was going to crash.
	Obviously, it hasn't happened yet, but I found that pretty interesting.
	Well, did you find, did you get timing?
	You know, timing is everything.
	Did you hear when?
	She wasn't told when.
	She was just told that they needed to be prepared because if, but this, they got this before China put the trillion dollars into the bank.
	Okay, and when did China put the trillion dollars into the Mexican bank?
	Sometime in October when they made the deal for the crude oil.
	Okay.
	There's definitely some kind of buildup going on.
	Something's happening.
	But, you know, prior to that, if the dollar crashed, there would be riots on the border because everyone who lives on the border depends on the dollar.
	The peso is based on the dollar, on its value.
	Okay.
	And if he had the dollar crashing and the peso crashing, and no one could buy food, and if the border closed, yeah, there'd be riots.
	So they would have to get prepared for that.
	Right.
	But in theory, they don't need the Chinese military to handle their people, right?
	I wouldn't think so.
	I mean, there's... I don't know.
	I mean, there's several theories why they would have military there.
	Now, also in 2010, China made a military deal with Cuba.
	And in 2010, they moved 200,000 troops and some naval ships into Cuba.
	Okay.
	In 2010?
	Right.
	Interesting.
	That's very far.
	Anyone out there, check on Google.
	2010, Cuba, China, military.
	They made a deal at that point.
	Okay, well then we've got China's got not just Mexico as a launching off point, they've also got Cuba.
	Exactly.
	Okay, well that makes sense.
	Alright, is there anything else you want to share about what you've heard or what you know about the Chinese military goings-on?
	Anything to do with the Gulf or the sea?
	Not that I know of.
	I've seen some drones flying around, crossing the border.
	I don't know whose drones they are.
	If they're Chinese drones or American drones.
	I have heard stories that, going back to the Clinton administration, that China and the Clinton administration had made plans for a war.
	A war between the U.S.
	and China?
	Or between who and who?
	US and China?
	Well, I mean, that is sort of on the, I don't know what you would call it, on the agenda for the future.
	Certainly, Pete Peterson talked about that.
	Right.
	He also talked about the, you know, the androids I guess droids is the short name for androids, now that it just occurs to me, that are kept underground and have been built by China.
	And also, of course, we have them.
	So that war may not be your traditional war as we think of war.
	In fact, it's highly possible that wars, the further we move into the future, Okay, so my current theory is maybe the troops are there to protect the oil interests.
	If, you know, the cabal or the bankers or... Oh, we're out of break.
	Okay, are you saying you mean the oil interests of China in Mexico?
	My current theory is maybe the troops are there to protect the oil interests.
	If, you know, the cabal or the bankers are at a break.
	OK.
	Are you saying you mean the oil interest of China in Mexico?
	Yeah.
	OK.
	OK.
	Good point.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Michael Hemmingson.
	Some would say Louis Kahn-Nin and possibly the former White Hat.
	Yeah.
	But he denies it and we're going to take his word for it for now.
	Yes.
	So in terms of covering this kind of situation with regard to the Chinese, is there any other sort of details before we jump over to, and we don't have a whole lot of time unfortunately, but before we jump over to the discussion on more or less time travel and some of the things you remember from your childhood possibly?
	No, no.
	I mean just And I'm thinking now that they're there to protect their oil interests, purchasing the crude oil with the UN, in case the cabal gets mad about them not accepting the petrodollar.
	There's the possibility, too, that, you know, if martial law is declared and they take our guns away and the U.S.
	military backs, you know, they don't want to shoot or arrest American citizens that they could call on.
	U.N.
	or even the troops that are there.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I don't know, do you know about the dream I had when I was in Colorado?
	No, I haven't heard about it.
	Okay, it was, I have reported it on the air, so I'll just make it very very short, but in essence I had a reason to have a meeting in Colorado.
	I decided to stay near the airport in a hotel because it was taking an early morning flight and that night I had the most
	Dreadful dream about an invasion of Chinese troops that were surrounding the hotel where I was actually staying and it was another time obviously not that day, but it was a time and I it was extremely real and they What the message I got was that they had been let in by our government and indeed there were Chinese troops everywhere and
	And for some reason, they were trying to capture me and a group of people.
	So it wasn't a pleasant dream at all.
	No, not at all.
	And I do have prophetic dreams.
	And so I'm really hopeful that this is not one of them.
	So whenever somebody talks about Chinese troops, and certainly Chinese troops on the border of Mexico, that doesn't make me feel comfortable.
	But I guess we'll just leave that where it is for now.
	Just to make the transition, so like I was saying, you know, before we kind of doubled back, I was talking about the posting of the unwanted publicity guy about this sort of possible jump room that's in this building.
	And he actually states, and he is stating for the record that this is information that he has.
	And this is not a man who tells tales.
	He, in fact, he, he wrote me a very long email today that I posted on, on our Camelot Forum, you know, emphasizing that he doesn't tell tales and that this is anything he releases is something he has verified and is absolutely true to his knowledge.
	So, with that in mind, do you want to say what you, when you saw some of his statement, what that triggered in you?
	Well, I'd hope we'd have more time to get into the, how this all built up with my own paranormal experiences over the years.
	You know, in my childhood, you know, there were a couple of sightings and stuff like that, but in 1996 and 97, There was a long period where, especially in 97, and of course 97 was an interesting year, you know, we had the Phoenix Lights, the Hale-Bob Comet, the Air Force coming out with that bizarre story about Roswell and the trash test dummies, almost as if they were preparing for something to happen.
	So, but in 97, there was like a nine-month period that I was having a paranormal experience almost every day.
	And it was associated with when I was dating.
	It was actually happening around her and not me.
	We're talking anything from UFOs to aliens to ghosts to men in black.
	There was always something weird happening every day.
	And it was like, if something didn't happen, that was strange.
	Like, well, nothing weird has happened.
	We had been out in the desert.
	And I started having memories of her being with hybrid children and stuff.
	I did remember driving around late at night and one of those big giant black triangles flying over me and the car losing power.
	But these were just like dream images and memories.
	So in 98, no it was late 97, I I went to a hypnotherapist, regression, a doctor that was recommended to me from San Diego, Mufon, who specialized in post-traumatic stress, and he happened to just have some people who were abductees.
	So I went to him, got back all the memories of out in the desert with the aliens, and it turns out that after I
	Saw the big black triangle, I drove back to the cabin we were, or desert cabin we were renting, and there were these, I couldn't get into the cabin because there was these five tall, they're like the tall greys, same kind of heads, but they were wearing robes, but they were kind of ethereal looking.
	And they, uh, wouldn't let me and said, uh, but, but they, they kind of broadcast an image in my head of the woman I was dating.
	She was playing with, with these two hybrid children.
	And, you know, they told me she, um, it was important that they have contact with their mother, uh, you know, some, some time with her.
	And, you know, so I started asking him the question, well, who are you guys?
	Uh, where are you from?
	What's up?
	And the only thing that they would tell me is I wouldn't understand.
	And I'd ask him a question and they'd say, well, you wouldn't understand.
	That was pissing me off.
	I was like, how do you know I wouldn't understand?
	Come on, give it a shot.
	But I'm prancing around, jumping up and down in front of these five beings, and they're just kind of staring at me.
	And that was the memory.
	But when I went under regression, I started having other memories of the Coronado Naval Base and being there as a child with my uncle, who was in the Navy.
	Uh, sort of higher up in the Navy.
	I later learned on from him that he was in the Office of Naval Intelligence.
	Um, but kind of just didn't think much of it.
	And then I went back for another hypno regression section in 2003 because some other incidents occurred and I wanted to regain the memory to make sure, you know, was it really, it was my imagination or something happened.
	And when I went through this regression, more memories started coming back that a lot of things that were happening to me were connected to the Coronado Naval Base, and that there were these underground facilities there.
	Of course, the Coronado Naval Base is where they train the SEALs.
	Is it in San Diego?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's an island off of San Diego.
	Okay.
	Coronado Island.
	Big, big, huge naval base.
	Submarines.
	Aircraft carriers, you name it.
	And a lot of Black Ops projects there.
	Andrew Basiagas' buddy, William Stillings, has confirmed he was over there.
	He knows about the stuff.
	But, you know, they have the SEALs over there.
	They have the Dolphin Program, where they weaponize dolphins.
	That's out of Coronado.
	My understanding is there's some MKL stuff going on there as well.
	Anyway, I had memories of my uncle taking me there, like in the late 70s and early 80s when I was, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15.
	And I thought that, you know, when I went off with my uncle, we went camping or fishing or whatever.
	So, this is really strange.
	So, I went and sought my uncle out.
	He's dead now.
	He died in 2009, but this was about 2003, 2004, and I started telling this.
	I said, did we go to the Coronado Naval Base?
	And, you know, he got kind of strange about it, and he finally said, he said, yeah.
	He said, I was Naval Intelligence, and There was a program and he mentioned a name.
	He said, Dr. Ray Basagio, that he was this guy's handler for the Navy.
	And it just, I didn't think about it until Andrew Basagio shows up.
	And I'm like, I know that name.
	So now I've asked Andrew, I said, did you ever remember meeting a naval intelligence guy by the name of Ron?
	And he said, no, he said that he was secluded from any of his dad's military contacts.
	Now, also in the regression, I started remembering this building and 999 North Sepulveda, the Hughes, the old Hughes building.
	Now, I haven't regained all my memories, and I'm not saying any of this is is true, because I really need more hypnotic regression.
	Actually, I was going to do it live on air.
	I think that would be interesting if... Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm going to do it on Lorian Fenton's show.
	When we were at the Alchemy Fest, we had made an agreement with a hypnotherapist who was there, because I was going to do it at the Alchemy Fest, but there wasn't time.
	So then I said, I'd really like to do it on the air.
	This way, no one can question whatever I say.
	I mean, it would be live.
	It'd be happening right then and there.
	So I do plan to do this.
	There's a couple of Things that happened.
	Last August I had a missing time episode.
	I lost three hours.
	That I actually talked about on my show.
	And that all the power in my apartment had gone.
	And then a year before that I woke up with weird puncture marks in my right hand.
	That at first I thought my cats did it.
	I thought they scratched me.
	But they weren't cat scratches.
	They were Three, like, medical puncture marks.
	Uh-huh.
	These are the two things that I would like to look at under hypnosis, but I'd also like to go back to the memories at the base, because my uncle wouldn't tell me everything.
	All he told me was, well, it'll come back to you, and the time isn't right.
	He was giving me all this, you know, like, he didn't really want to talk about it.
	Ah.
	Interesting.
	Now, I'm not saying I'm a... Is that music?
	Are we at a break?
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying I'm a super soldier, and God, I hope I'm not, or was in any program.
	But what my uncle did tell me, which was interesting, was that what they needed, they needed young people, kids or young teenagers, because something about the development of the brain that they were able to Whatever it is that they were doing, that they needed more young people rather than adults.
	However, he said it was Project Perseus, not Pegasus.
	And that's all I know.
	Okay, well, they could have lots of projects, obviously.
	Yeah, but it's interesting.
	Doesn't Perseus ride Pegasus?
	Possibly.
	I know Perseus is a Greek god.
	He's a demigod.
	Okay, well, yes, I stand corrected.
	Damn my God.
	God.
	But yeah, I mean, it's all in the same sort of family.
	By the same token, Pegasus and Perseus.
	In other words, this is something they love to do.
	That's why we named our project Project Camelot, for example.
	Right.
	Because they like to name things Project This, Project That, and they love to use those kinds of names.
	Excalibur.
	They love to use kind of Greek gods and Roman, you know, a whole pantheon of gods and all that stuff.
	Project Ibis and Project Monarch and all that?
	Sure.
	So So that's an interesting side to you.
	Now, have you revealed this before?
	I've talked about it on my show a little bit.
	I really didn't, I don't want to get into it until I recover, you know, determine if it's my imagination, but it can't be too much from my imagination because my uncle verified that he was taking me to the Coronado Naval Base.
	Well, right, and 999 El Segundo, that building does exist, and Bishago also pointed it out as being where he said the jump room existed.
	Apparently, as your other guy that you were talking about said, it was a CIA building.
	I don't think they're using it anymore.
	It's highly likely that they're not.
	You know, I mean, the question is whether or not these people actually went to Mars or whether they have an implanted memory that they went to Mars.
	That could be.
	Have you talked yet to Bernie Mendez?
	I don't think so.
	He's connected with Bissagio and Stillings and those guys.
	They remember him, he remembers them.
	I've interviewed him on my show and he's been on some others.
	He was President Nixon's liaison, alien liaison.
	He had his memories wiped, but they've been coming back to him.
	I believe his story, but he says Because I had asked him, well, what about the problem with bacteria?
	Because there was no bacteria, he said, on Mars and stuff.
	He said they were all holograms.
	So, in other words, they're implanted memories.
	They're either implanted memories or they thought they were going to Mars, but it wasn't actually Mars.
	It was sort of like a holo-cubes out in space or something like that.
	Or like a virtual world?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Very possible.
	Um, there's, there's just as an intuitive, you know, and I have talked to Andy Bishago.
	I'm perfectly decent guy.
	I don't have anything against him.
	Very intelligent guy.
	Um, you know, but it just as an intuitive, it doesn't strike me right.
	There's, there's a problem there in the story.
	Um, and that's all I can say.
	Uh, you know, and I've said that, I actually said that to him, to his face, so I think he's aware of it.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Michael Hemmingson. - Good.
	Michael, about his actually abduction or sort of encounter memory, so to speak, when you said you saw a black triangle in one of your, I don't know if you call them visions or dreams or what do you call them?
	No, no, I saw that memory.
	That was in real life?
	Yeah.
	OK.
	It was out in the Anza Borrego Desert.
	OK.
	And how how low was it flying?
	I don't know, maybe 300 feet.
	So very low.
	Yeah.
	And it was huge.
	Okay.
	And it made no sound, but it didn't have any lights on it.
	The car had stopped, and I had just gotten out because I was going to check the engine, and I noticed a big patch of stars.
	You know, we're out in the desert, there's a lot of stars, but here's this big patch missing, and I could make out the triangular shape, and it was moving slowly.
	Okay, and did you ever get a regression on that experience?
	Um, well, it was connected to the tall greys who were having my girlfriend play with her children.
	Okay.
	They sent me an image, I remember, of a huge incubatorium inside the Black Triangle, you know, just like rooms.
	Oh, really?
	Little babies growing in other rooms where children were.
	That was basically, I got the idea that it was like a hospital ship.
	Or an incubation ship or something like that.
	Okay.
	And again, though, because you didn't really answer the question, did you have a regression therapy session on this experience?
	Yes, I did.
	Okay.
	I wanted to get back the memories of what happened after I saw the show, because all I had remembered was driving back to the cabin And then the next thing I knew I was in bed.
	It was morning.
	But I knew something had happened.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	I have typed a few things in your chat while we're on the air here.
	And I just want to make sure.
	I'm on my iPad, so I can't see it.
	Oh, okay, because it's on Skype.
	And you are talking to me.
	I think you're on Skype on the iPad.
	Yeah, I know some in the chat, your chat asking what my blood type is.
	It's O negative.
	I'm nothing special.
	Okay.
	Um, well, actually, O is that, are you right or left handed?
	I'm right handed.
	Okay.
	Um, my understanding is O is, is the, yeah, is an Illuminati bloodline.
	I thought it was just a regular.
	I thought they were RH or something.
	No, that's just a certain strain.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'm not an Illuminati.
	Where's my money?
	That's what I wanted.
	I appreciate that.
	But, you know, your family line, maybe.
	Right.
	You know, I have Illuminati blood lying on one side of my family, definitely, for sure.
	Well, the thing I wanted to mention, I don't know if I have time here, I'll do it really quickly, is that also in the regression, the second regression in 2003, I had memories of being an officer, or a petty officer on a nuclear submarine, and my uncle had told me He said, well, you were originally supposed to go into the Navy and go into ROTC.
	And then through him, I would advance.
	And, you know, I didn't go in that direction.
	Yet I have these memories.
	And when I went on a civilian trip on a nuclear submarine, I knew exactly everything in there.
	I knew how the sonar What a sonar tech does.
	And then when I watched that show, that new show, uh, uh, what's the one with the nuclear submarine?
	Uh, Last Resort.
	And when they, they had the interior sub, I was like, no, that's not how it looks, you know, because it's, it's too big.
	Of course, you know, you can't shoot a TV show in a real submarine.
	There's just not enough room.
	Right.
	Well, that's fascinating.
	Um, see, you know, it sounds, you sound very like, uh, my lab.
	You know, what I typed is, Melinda Leslie is a well-known MyLab regression therapist.
	Right.
	And, you know, I don't know if she's available, but I think she lives in Sedona.
	Yes, she does.
	Actually, I go to Sedona a lot, actually.
	I'm thinking it's just a parallel life that, you know, in this timeline I, when I was a teenager, I didn't go ROTC and Navy, but in another timeline I did.
	Maybe so, maybe.
	I'm thinking maybe those memories are seeping in.
	It's just really strange that I know the layout and how a submarine works and I went before I was never even on one or in the Navy, you know.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Let me ask you this because you write a lot of books but you don't seem to write, maybe I'm wrong because I don't know all the books you write, but do you write any science fiction?
	Do you write about ETs or UFOs or any of that?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	I've got a book of science fiction short stories coming out soon.
	A lot of them are about time travel.
	You know, I've always been a science fiction fan, but I always had trouble writing science fiction.
	I don't know why.
	Okay.
	Um, I do have a science fiction novel, a contracted for tour will be out in 2014, I think.
	Um, okay.
	And, um, just out of curiosity, did you ever meet Aaron McCullum?
	I've talked to him.
	Okay.
	But you've never met him in person?
	Not that I know of.
	Did you ever see my interview with him?
	Actually, I have more than one, but did you see one of them?
	Actually, I saw a conference one.
	A conference one?
	I think it was at one of your conferences.
	Okay, but you didn't see the interview then?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, I would like to recommend it because there's a dolphin, you know, he was, uh, he, it appears that he was part of a dolphin human hybrid program.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	Over at Coronado.
	He was at Coronado.
	Yeah.
	And so that you, if you haven't seen that interview with him, that would interest you.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	I'll have to recommend it.
	Um, Okay, well, we're running out of time here, and if you just hold on, I'm going to see if there's any questions here in the chat, and possibly we can actually do this again in the near future if you'd like.
	Yeah, I just kind of only touched the tip of the iceberg of a bunch of things.
	Yeah, because you're absolutely welcome to come back on my show in the near future.
	In fact, We should do one on revolution as well, just to to be fair.
	Yeah, OK.
	OK, so let's do a Friday night sometime in the near future.
	And what I'm doing now is trying to find the chat and trying to find if there's any last minute questions that I didn't ask that anybody just has a burning question that they wanted to ask you.
	Is there anything you want to ask me while we're while I'm looking for these questions?
	Or talk about, for that matter.
	Are you a clone?
	How would you know?
	Really, how would you know if you were a clone?
	That's the perfect question from the true former White Hat.
	No, I actually believe that if I was a clone, I would know I was a clone.
	Well, that's true.
	Well, I'd like to say that some of those people out there have spent Form a white hat thing and get a life.
	Why waste so much energy on that?
	I just, they're obsessed.
	Yeah, they really, well, you know, these, some of these things, some of us take, you know, you take a life of your own.
	The thing becomes, it's kind of like the image takes on a life of its own.
	And, and somebody says you didn't tell the time traveler story.
	Um, I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure if that's, uh, well, I think it was directed.
	Maybe he means one of my short stories.
	I have written a lot of time travel stories.
	Okay.
	Well, somebody says, uh, is also asking if you think you're a, you're a walk-in.
	I know.
	At least I, I don't think I am.
	Okay.
	Do you have a pretty clear through line from your childhood?
	In other words, you remember your childhood fairly clear, you know, as in terms of events?
	No, I don't.
	Oh, you don't?
	Well, not linear.
	Okay.
	Well, that's interesting.
	I mean, there were events in my childhood of beings and red orbs and stuff like that.
	Where did you grow up just out of curiosity?
	Los Angeles.
	Okay, yeah.
	All right, well... And I have to say, with the thing with the Project Perseus and all that stuff, I have no interest in going to conferences and talking about it.
	I just want to do the hypnotic regression, see what comes out, but I'm not going to go travel around with Andrew and the super soldiers and things.
	I have really no interest in that.
	Okay, in theory, I'm speaking at the Super Soldier conference that Lorian is having, I think in Las Vegas, assuming she can pay my way there and so on and so forth, because I can't... I might be at that one, but only as, you know, doing Revolution Radio Live there.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, great.
	So then I can meet you officially in person, even though certain people out there think I've met you before.
	I don't have any memory of having met you.
	Although if I meet you in person, then I will know if I have seen you in crowds before, because people come up to me in conferences.
	I don't remember who they are.
	Well, there's a couple of people out there.
	It's hard for everybody, you know, especially when you are doing, you know, some kind of big events and all that.
	All right.
	Thanks, Gary.
	And I appreciate having you on my show.
	Do you want any last minute plugs to sell your books or anything?
	Yeah, just go to Amazon if you want to buy something.
	Cool.
	OK, everyone have a great night and get a sense of humor.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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