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11/21/2012 - Ross Purvine and Alfred Edward Moch AKA Cota.

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	There is a jaguar outside my door
	Stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	Strange shade of stump, deep cat-eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
	I can't help but longing, I'll feel when he moans.
	He's a Jack, he's a Jack, he's a Jack, you are.
	He's a Jack, he's a Jack.
	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we've got sort of a jam-packed show tonight with two guests.
	In the first half hour, we're going to be talking to Ross Perveance, and he'll be with us just shortly.
	And then after that, we'll be talking to A. Edward Mock, also known as Edward Coda, and he's a remote viewer.
	So just So stay tuned for all of that.
	It should be a very, very interesting show.
	I do want to say that I just got back from Pennsylvania.
	We had a very interesting time there.
	This very strange sort of meeting.
	Fascinating people were invited.
	A lot of dynamics going on there.
	I'm not sure if anything's going to come of it or not.
	But at any rate, and I also just spoke via Skype with Anthony Sanchez at the Alchemy conference, actually live when I was in Pennsylvania.
	All of that has happened.
	We leave for Egypt in case anyone's still interested in going.
	We are taking some last minute reservations if people are.
	That is all on the Camelot website.
	As well as our pilot that we did for Truth that is now available and gone viral on YouTube.
	So, just wanted to give people a heads up about that.
	Alright, so Ross Perveance, are you there?
	Yes, hi.
	Hi there.
	Hi.
	Would you like to kind of talk about yourself to begin with, Ross?
	I can say that you've given me sort of a background here, and you're kind of an inventor and researcher.
	What you do is create pyramids, and then you're also working on using them to get rid of the chemtrails, correct?
	Yeah, that's right.
	I found that it does quite a bit for that.
	You can see it actually right now at perveyancepyramid.net.
	That's P-U-R-V, like Victor, I-A-N-C-E, pyramid.net.
	There's a lot of background noise there, where you're at.
	Is that a public place?
	Yeah, actually I'm at a coffee shop.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, I guess we'll have to endure it.
	Just wanted to check with that.
	Can you explain how you think your experiment is working and what sort of prompts you to build one and try to get rid of chemtrails?
	Okay.
	Basically, the Perveance experiment, I did some research on the internet and I urge everybody to do it.
	Search how to stop weather control.
	Or actually, you don't need to search anymore.
	You found it right here.
	This pyramid does it all.
	It stops man-made earthquakes.
	It stops weather control.
	It might even stop natural earthquakes.
	It brings balance to the environment.
	It gets rid of chemtrails.
	How I came about it, I was doing research and I came across a boy gone cloud busters and chemtrail blast busters.
	And it just came from there.
	I knew the pyramids.
	There's a lot of secrets that the ancients left.
	I guess you can call them ancients.
	They use the pyramid extensively throughout the whole world.
	Let me see if I can move to another location.
	Maybe it would be better if we told you on your cell phone.
	There might be a little less background noise.
	I'm not sure.
	Is that better?
	I didn't realize you were at a public place.
	We would have tried to make some other arrangements had I known.
	Okay.
	Anyway, it was due to research into trying to get rid of chemtrails, basically.
	And it developed through meditation.
	And this is it.
	It turned out very well.
	Very, very well.
	And it does a superb job.
	It really gets rid of chemtrails.
	And I'd like to also mention why they're doing the chemtrails, which is a worldwide phenomenon.
	You're welcome to talk about why they're doing it as well.
	Okay.
	Well, it is everywhere.
	It's circling the globe.
	It's a plasma field for an electric current.
	And in a psyops terminology, it's to protect us from the positive energy that's coming from the center of the galaxy.
	So they're protecting us from evolving.
	I mean, that would be a psyops way of saying it, you know, if you get my drift.
	I see.
	Well, what is your background, Ross?
	Extensive meditator.
	I haven't got a degree.
	Well, actually, I probably do have a degree in vocal performance and music.
	But other than that, I pretty much consider that the academia is more like quackadamia, and you're better off just learning on your own.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	As far as using your pyramid to get rid of chemtrails, Are you just using visual evidence?
	In other words, what do you do?
	You set it up and then you feel that it gets rid of chemtrails right above your head, or how does that work?
	Actually, what happened first when I made the blue pyramid, it turned out so well and I was so proud of it, I put it on the back of my bicycle, since I was riding my bike everywhere I went.
	And I just put it on the back of the bike, anyway, and just rode it around, and found out actually later, Within the last, since May actually, that actually what you need to do is move it around, particularly early in the morning.
	So you can put it on the back of a bike or on top of a car and try it, try it yourself.
	You'll be pleasantly surprised once you make a Perveance pyramid, put it on your car and drive it around.
	But it has to be, you have to, To drive around early in the morning about sunrise.
	Like this morning, I went at 545 in the morning.
	And then it will clear chemtrails.
	But yesterday, here in Los Angeles, we had as many as 40 chemtrail jets per hour.
	It was ridiculous.
	And yet, the small pyramid was doing quite well.
	And it was quite a blast we had yesterday.
	They were bombing us.
	Okay.
	And what is this handbook that you have on your website?
	Well, I have reference to some other handbooks That I recommend.
	I did write a couple of books, Volume 1 and Volume 2, a thing called Critical Point Handbook.
	We're still taking orders on that, but mostly I recommend The gentleman you have interviewed in the past is George Green.
	He's recommended the book and it's called Handbook for the New Paradigm.
	That one is amazing.
	It's like, I've read that, literally, I've read the first handbook for the New Paradigm 200 times.
	Yes, that is George Green's book.
	He gives those away, I believe, for free on his website.
	So that's what you're talking about, is what you're referencing on your site.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, for the most part.
	I actually wrote a couple of books, Volume 1 and Volume 2, and they make a lot of reference to the three handbooks, Volumes 1, 2, and 3.
	I guess you could call them the handbook for the New Paradigm series.
	Anyway, so basically they're trying to block positivity coming in from the center of the galaxy.
	So if we can put holes in that everywhere we can.
	Just imagine being free of chemtrails.
	This is it.
	This does it.
	It's amazing.
	And try it for yourself to see and you will be really surprised and pleasantly surprised about it.
	It's amazing.
	It's amazing how well it works.
	That, plus it's also, you know, one week after the Fukushima attack and the man-made earthquake accompanying that, And Fukushima.
	One week after that, we had Northern Lights here in Los Angeles.
	I saw them myself.
	I actually saw those.
	But the pyramids on top of my RV.
	My RV, I have two big pyramids.
	Well, one's big and one's the blue one that you see on the website there.
	And because of those, they could only muster a 4.5 earthquake.
	And I'm positive because of the Perveance Pyramid.
	I've had experience where I park under a tree.
	I park under a very shady tree and the chemtrails come in.
	So park your Perveance Pyramid in the open and ride it around early in the morning as well.
	And you'll have some success.
	You'll enjoy it.
	Let me ask you, what did you use?
	You know, trained to, I don't know, figure out whether the actual angles are correct and all this sort of thing?
	Oh, well, actually, I did have, I had carpentry experience when I was back in the 80s and 90s, and I actually got a contractor's license, so, and I'm pretty good with designing.
	Now, the meditations I had were ongoing, it was like a You know, ongoing meditations, and I would get my design through that.
	I would go into meditative state, and it came up with this particular design, and it's just amazing.
	It works really well, very well.
	Okay.
	Basically, it's got orgone corners, and orgone is very healing for the planet and her inhabitants.
	What orgone is, you can look up Wilhelm Reich.
	Right.
	Yeah, and then later it developed into organite, which is metal and resin.
	Now, you can see, actually, orgone was one of the secrets nature actually shares, from the giant sequoias, for example, dropping their sap onto the minerals below, and you have that layering of resin and metal, and and you have that layering of resin and metal, and that's orgone.
	So it's, you know, nature has a lot of gifts she wants to share and we just, it's a lot of secrets there.
	As far as this particular pyramid, Am I right that in looking, I'm looking at your website and your website for people is PerveancePyramid.net.
	You want to spell that for people?
	Yeah, it's P like Paul, U R, V like Victor, I A N C E Pyramid Pyramid.net.
	P-Y-R-A-M-I-D.net.
	Pyramid.net.
	It's a French name.
	Actually, the listeners, they may recognize my other name if they're from Oregon.
	My original name is Purvine, and they changed it.
	Originally, it was French Tudor, but when I was born, it was Purvine.
	Portland, Oregon.
	Are you saying that this costs $900?
	Well, actually, I have some for sale that are already made.
	Yeah.
	And they're complete.
	They have the full argon and argon corners.
	But if you make your own, you don't have to make it as elaborate as the ones you see for sale there.
	And I do recommend get hands-on.
	It's very empowering to make your own.
	And you can enjoy your own artwork, you know.
	But I have instructions how to make your own.
	When you get to the website, you can click Downloads, and it's called Make a Perveance Pyramid, and just get to download and make your own.
	It's got a lot of shortcuts.
	I didn't apply the shortcuts when I first made this blue one, but it'll save you It'll only be about a quarter amount of time to make it if you get the download.
	It's really simple once you see from the download how easy it is.
	Okay, now have you had any scientists or anybody, you know, mechanical engineers or anyone take a look at your pyramid and verify your results?
	Well actually Patrick Flanagan In an interview with Sterling Allen.
	Sterling Allen interviewed Patrick Flanagan, who many believe is the reincarnation of Nikola Tesla.
	And Sterling asked, what do you think about this guy's pyramid?
	And Patrick said, I'm sure it does everything that he says it does.
	So, I got the endorsement from him.
	And actually, if you've been in Los Angeles, you can see for yourself how clear it is here.
	And you don't see any dying bees.
	There are no dying bees on the sidewalks since May in Los Angeles for a 50 mile radius at least.
	Perhaps even longer than 70 miles.
	But it's just a very, very healing device for the whole planet.
	And it helps all the inhabitants in the local area.
	And, you know, these storms, these super storms, I believe a lot of them use Hard technology in conjunction with the chemtrails.
	So, if you get rid of the chemtrails, that might just foil their recovery.
	Are you there?
	Okay, well, thank you very much, Ross.
	I appreciate it.
	When we come back, we're going to be talking to Alfred Mock.
	And be sure to tune back in.
	We'll be right back.
	and thank you again Ross.
	Thanks.
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	This is Keri Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we now have our next guest, which is Alfred Edward Mock, and his last name is also Coda, and he can kind of explain that to you, the distinction.
	And so on.
	And he is a remote viewer.
	I'm going to read a brief bio, but you can also go to the front page of Project Camelot and click on the bio so that you can see some other bio information there.
	He calls himself one of the youngest pioneer remote viewers.
	He was tested by Dr. Carlos Osas of the ASPR under what became known as Project Stargate.
	He was used, from what I understand, in R&D.
	For present-day remote viewing.
	Originally, his name was Alfred Koda, and then he, I guess, was adopted by a family with the last name of Mach, who were personal friends of the Koda family.
	He can explain all that.
	After having a near-death experience during a medical operation at the age of 6, he began to show significant spiritual psychic abilities.
	At the age of 17 to 18, he was tested for his psychic abilities in 1972 at the American Society for Psychical Research in New York.
	Uh, some of his data was applied to the scanning period of Project Stargate, which then was sponsored by the CIA.
	But most of his involvement in that project was considered to be classified.
	And I guess his family also has a background involved with military and intelligence that dates back to World War II and the Cold War.
	His abilities of a psychical analyst consultant have been used, I believe, also to help police departments find Find people and so on.
	So, without continuing on with that, let's talk to Al Mock and find out what he has to say.
	Al, are you there?
	Yes.
	Hello, Carrie.
	How are you today?
	And Happy Thanksgiving.
	Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Al.
	Thank you so much for coming on the show.
	I'm very excited to have you here.
	I think we're going to have a very interesting discussion.
	Can you augment what I just said about your background and maybe go back and talk a little bit about Okay, if I please I will.
	in a bit more detail as to kind of your family links to this whole, I guess, military-industrial complex and then how you got involved in Project Stargate to begin with and anything else you can talk about in that regard.
	Okay, all right, please, I will.
	It's kind of difficult to say where the whole thing began because there are different facets that come and go during many decades of research and development to psychical, psychological, and other related fields that have been ebbing in and and other related fields that have been ebbing in and out of the military for particular applications.
	And, of course, each war having its own particular theme and direction.
	It's why a lot of people think that, or have been given the impression, that remote viewing Just popped out of nowhere in the 1970s when in fact certain aspects of the reviewing was being utilized many decades prior.
	Sure, absolutely.
	Well, I think most of our listeners, anyway, are familiar to some degree with the history of remote viewing, and they know that the Russians were very involved in some of the early work in that regard.
	And I think that goes back to the 1950s, possibly the 40s, and I know the Nazis were very involved in all kinds of things.
	It wouldn't necessarily be called remote viewing back then, but certainly psychic research.
	Well, the term remote viewing actually is a much older term that sort of fell out of use, that was lightly used around the turn of the century, around the beginning of the 1900s, but for whatever reason it kind of fell out of use, and then later was reintroduced back in the 1970s and coined for the present day
	Okay, so do you want to talk about, first of all, your family background so that people understand something of your lineage before we get into the specifics of the remote viewing?
	Okay.
	One of the things is that I was adopted pretty much days after I was born in 1954 into the Mock family.
	And a very typical American family living in the New York area.
	And growing up basically in an upper urban area.
	Growing up in an unusual way like any other kid.
	And through this, having as much of a normal childhood as possible.
	And it happened that when I was six years old, I went in for a tonsillectomy operation, and that's when they lost me on the operating table.
	And that's when I had my near-death experience, in which opened me up to other things that I was and was not aware of until, some of it, years later.
	Part of it was the acknowledgement later of my being adopted, and being related to the Cota family, in which the Cotas We're very much involved in the military, historically as well, and also part of the Mason family, which was into the Cota family, that was involved in the early development of what would be known as Psychical Research.
	Okay, well, specifically though, there were certain individuals in your family, weren't there, that were already involved in Psychic Research?
	Yes, that's correct.
	To my acknowledgment, later, I found there was a connection between me and an early pioneer of psychical research, a pioneer by the name of Dr. Rufus Osgood Mason, who submitted research material originally, which was back then known as the Society for Psychical Research, and then later
	When the American Sister Organization was founded, he would help to be very much involved in that also.
	And in his research, he did clinical studies.
	He was a medical surgeon, as well as having previous studies in religion, theology, etc., but chose to eventually become a physician.
	And also having this fascination with the early foundations of what would be parapsychology and psychical research.
	And also what would be the techniques known as hypnotherapy.
	Okay.
	What is the significance of the CODA last name?
	And do you know why you were adopted?
	For reasons, personally, I really don't really know.
	It was more that I was told That I came from a second marriage and my father was extremely busy doing other things and that there was other relational or family dynamics that resulted in my being adopted.
	Okay, and then the significance of the Kodalas name?
	Well, in that my grandfather was in the military and reached the rank of Major General during World War II.
	And was associated with Commanding General Dwight D. Eisenhower in a number of World War II operations.
	And my biological father as well was also involved in World War II, and was a fighter pilot during the time of the European theater as well.
	Okay, and didn't you meet Laura Eisenhower recently?
	Yes, we did.
	Manifed was, what, just two Sundays ago, if I'm correct?
	And I had met her a few months ago, only briefly, because she was busy with a show and a program, and we didn't have much time to really talk, but we were able to exchange information, which was, she was very happy that we did, as well as myself, because the relationship between her great-grandfather and my grandfather went
	way back, the West Point days, and the friendship, again, was reignited when they worked together in World War II, and they remained good friends right up until the death of Eisenhower in 1969, and then my grandfather around 1973.
	Okay, and did your grandfather, just out of curiosity, happen to know about Eisenhower's meetings at, let's see, what's it called, Muroc Edwards Air Force Base?
	With the ETs?
	This I do not know.
	I do know that both of them were very close, and whatever they confided to each other was between the both of them.
	And it was never disclosed to me, nor any of my immediate family, to my knowledge.
	Okay, and this was your original father, not your adopted father, correct?
	Okay, the CODIS of my biological original family.
	Yes, and so this general we're speaking of, who was friends with Eisenhower, was a member of the CODIS, correct?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, and so did you have contact with this, you know, this original father who I guess after you left that family, you said you lived next door, but did you have contact with this person?
	Well, even though I did not have any contact with my biological grandfather, I did have contact with a gentleman who was referred to as a friend of the family, who would fit the profile of what would be my biological father.
	Okay, but so, all right, so these people did not necessarily talk to you about their interactions with Eisenhower or anything of that nature, right?
	No, they did not.
	This I found out later when I started doing the internal research on myself because there were some unanswered questions in the growing up of my life that seemed Like, unanswered questions that you would normally get in growing up, and especially when I found out that I was adopted.
	You know, sometimes when you find out when you're adopted, you want to find out more about, okay, your origins.
	And that's basically what I did.
	And I started to recollect some of the places that my adopted family took me on vacations, meeting of various people, places, and locations.
	And recollecting many of these areas, I think I was able to slowly piece together a timeline of known and unknown people that apparently both my adopted and my biological family knew and interacted with.
	Okay, but I assume you were born with your psychic ability, but then your life-death experience augmented that.
	How would you relate to that?
	I would say both.
	I think one of my first psychical experiences, believe it or not, actually happened when I was about six months old.
	There was an accident that occurred, and it was a medical accident.
	Where I was given some medication and I overdosed on it and I remember the experience where I remember having this strange bitter taste in my mouth and then passing out.
	And then later, years later, I was told about the incident.
	Okay, but why was that a psychic incident?
	Because I had full awareness of the event.
	You know, at age six months, I still remember it to this day, as if I was an adult.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Well, that's interesting.
	What is your sort of, you know, because you approached me in sort of unusual circumstances, and you had done some research into the Aurora shootings.
	And I guess, you know, I have, I'm wondering, What the background, what your real background is, because you also talked about having been involved in Project Stargate as a, what a lot of people didn't realize that they had backup viewers that weren't known to the original viewers who are part of the program.
	Is that right?
	Yes, that is correct.
	A lot of people think that Project Stargate was just One straight series of remote viewing programs, when in reality, it was a compilation of various projects and sub-projects that existed under the umbrella banner of Stargate.
	The time frame that I entered was about the time of the early scan-it period of the Stargate program.
	And that's when a lot of the protocols were being Developed and separated to whatever efficiency and use, be it for military applications or domestic enforcement applications, etc, etc.
	Okay, did you go to SRI?
	No.
	Okay, where were you?
	Were you located in New York at the time?
	Yes.
	And did you ever meet Ingo Swann?
	There was arrangements for me to meet with Ingo that were made by Dr. Osis.
	And I was supposed to meet Ingo at the Brookings Institute out in Long Island.
	And I did attend the meeting and unfortunately... We're going to have to continue your answer on the other side of this commercial.
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	I'm Terry Cassidy, Project Hamlet, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Alfred Edward Mock, also known as Alfred Coda. - Yeah.
	He is a remote viewer who, well, we're going to find out more about his remote viewing, but I can say that he I believe was backing Ingo up behind the scenes and as sort of a second test group in regard to what was going on in Project Stargate.
	So, Alfred, right before the break we were talking about your meeting with Ingo.
	When did that happen?
	Okay, the meeting was set up by Dr. Osis for me to meet him at the Brookings Institute out in Long Island.
	And I attended a parapsychological meeting of various people.
	I arrived, and unfortunately Ingo was extremely busy with his lectures and such, and the meeting was postponed.
	And to this day, Ingo and I have not met.
	Okay.
	Actually, I don't know.
	Would you consider yourself, was I correct in saying that you sort of backed him up on various experiments?
	That's correct, because there were quite a few experiments that were done as a secondary, because there were some unanswered data that needed to be verified.
	One of the key factors was to bring remote viewing into scientific acceptance.
	And under the guidelines of science, one of the key factors was repeatability.
	So, when the first experiments were done, that was with INGO, it was done, it was known as the ASPR Beacon Experiments.
	It was inbound Uh, experiment where you had to go from one location to the, to the target site and describe, uh, whatever it was that was there.
	And the problem is that it was, Ingo was the only loan, uh, participant.
	So there was no additional backup or no additional, uh, participants.
	So the second, uh, uh, revisements.
	They then called in for a second team to help verify not only what Ingo and the early research of the Beacon experiment was done, but also to verify any additional factors that natives came across that could verify scientific repeatability, making remote viewing scientifically acceptable.
	Okay, and so you participated in some of these experiments, obviously, right?
	Yes.
	And can you describe, um, first of all, I guess, could you like generally state your, um, I don't know, hit rate or however you want to sort of relate to that.
	How can you, in other words, how good were you?
	Well, uh, it's hard to say because every remote viewer has to have their particular unique quality.
	And as far as, uh, the results of what I, uh, contributed, Dr. Osis was very impressed by what I was able to give in data and into the project itself, which is one of the reasons why he wanted me to meet with Mr. Swan.
	Okay.
	Now, have you met with other members of the Project Stargate?
	Yes, pretty much after the fact around 1995 with the military side.
	But prior to that, I did meet other people that were involved in the domestic end.
	Alright, so can you name some of the usual suspects?
	In other words, did you meet Joe McMonigle, Paul Smith, you know, any of these people?
	Lynn Buchanan?
	Okay, most of these people you're mentioning I met after 1995, and they were primarily in the military side of the remote viewing program.
	What I would meet later, or I would meet before them, were individuals like a man named Fred Hansen, who was part of a domestic group, using certain psychical and remote viewing techniques for domestic security.
	Okay.
	Anyone else?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	No, I was asking, was there anyone else that you met prior to meeting the military side?
	Prior to that, nothing from the military, you know, until after 1995.
	Right, but you said you met people who were on the domestic side, so I was just wondering, you just mentioned Fred.
	Yes, I met Fred Hansen, of course, Dr. Osis, you know, for the time frame that I was with him.
	Also, I met Jack Hulk.
	Did you ever meet Matt Price?
	I never met the man.
	Did you hear about him?
	Yes, I have.
	And I've heard mixed stories about him, how he was a brilliant remote viewer.
	But there was also some controversy whether or not his data was truly authentic or had been manipulated.
	That's interesting.
	What have you heard about the idea that it's been manipulated?
	Where did you get that?
	Okay, there's been stories running around that in 1975 Pat Price was in Las Vegas and he had suffered a coronary and later died.
	The story has it that there may have been a little more to the story that That Mr. Price might have been a double agent.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, I have a theory, personal theory on Pat Price that he didn't die when they said he did.
	But that he went either underground or to Mars.
	Have you ever tried to remote view what happened to Pat Price?
	No.
	No, my direction was not so much into, you know, remote viewing remote viewers.
	It was primarily, you know, to remote view primarily missing people, kidnapped, you know, according to the case that was primarily domestic.
	I was never really put into a military focus.
	Okay, but in terms of the cases you did look into, can you characterize those cases at all?
	I'm sorry, again?
	I'm sorry, can you characterize the cases that you worked on?
	Can you hear me okay?
	Am I loud enough?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	I was wondering, what kind of cases did you work on?
	Okay, on a domestic point, there was a case that occurred in the New York City area, which was a serial killing case, and at the time we were field testing, Many of the remote viewing techniques at the time, in which most of the selected people went to SRI, and I was left in the New York City area.
	During this serial killing case, they were trying to find people that were legitimate and clean, and they had no questionable background.
	And I was approached by a representative, the representative of Go Between, that was connected with group known as Team Omega and with the New York City Police Department.
	And the assignment for me was to go to one of the crime scenes and to discern, through my psychical remote viewing abilities, what things did I pick up, you know, in that location.
	And surprisingly, a lot of the information that I discovered was utilized and then later helped to apprehend the suspect in question.
	Okay.
	But you said in Project Stargate originally, and that was a military program, are you saying that it had two sides?
	Yes, it did.
	And one side was domestic?
	Yes.
	Okay, and what did domestic mean?
	Did it mean, I mean, in terms of security, internal security?
	What does that mean to you?
	What did it mean?
	Well, in the way I was being utilized, I looked at it toward the aspect of domestic law enforcement.
	Not, you know, not realizing until when I met Mr. Hanson, that there were much more deeper security concerns.
	Basically, dealing with what we call now Homeland Security.
	Okay, so were your targets... What kind of protocols did you use, first of all?
	I mean, and do you know that the sort of lingo that they use for various types of protocols?
	Do you have a certain protocol that you use?
	Well, I used a modified remote viewing program or protocol that pre-existed even before the CRV protocol was designed.
	And much of that pre-existed, but some of it's going way back to World War II.
	All right.
	Does it have a name?
	Not particularly.
	Just basically, you know, it's called like Astro Viewing, you know, Vision Viewing, and other similar coined names.
	And it was used in a limited degree during World War II by the Allied forces, and then later used in early dowsing experiments during the 1950s.
	Okay, well, again, we have another break here, but this is the top of the hour.
	It's a little bit longer, Alfred, and we'll be right back.
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	We'll be back with Alfred Monk and then we'll pick this up where we left off.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleflow Radio, and we're talking to Alfred Edward Mock and also known as Alfred and we're talking to Alfred Edward Mock and also known as Al,
	Al, right before the break we were talking about, again, Project Stargate and the protocols differentiating between your particular protocols that you use and the ones that sort of came into being, I guess, in that program.
	So I was just trying to find out, are you basically saying that the kind of protocols you used were ones that you were taught?
	By Otis, is that his name?
	You're saying Dr. Otis?
	Otis, yeah.
	I mean, in other words, who taught you the protocols that you use?
	Basically, when we were doing the beacon experiments at the ESTR, it was developed from original out-of-body research.
	That was done, that went back into the files of the American Society for Psychical Research and modified to the as-needed situation.
	Modifications that were put in were also put in by Ingo as well as other modifications by Doctosis and other of his colleagues.
	As a psychic though, were you to some degree also just relying on your natural abilities?
	That too, yes.
	Okay.
	Do you actually, you know, I took a remote viewing class, do you draw pictures?
	Actually, I could do picture drawing, but I find it's a distraction.
	For me, and that's why it's been set up where I usually try to have three people.
	Myself, I'd be the reader, one would be the monitor, and the other person would be the additional backup, just in case information is overlooked or needs to be, you know, re-familiarized during the sessions.
	And it's done that way so that nothing would be missed.
	Okay.
	Do you know, you know who Robert Monroe is, right?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay.
	Did you ever go to his, uh, his, his place?
	I think it was in Virginia.
	No, unfortunately I did not.
	I would have loved to have met the man, but I was, uh, friends with a man who was personal friends with Dr. Monroe.
	And that was, uh, uh, Donald Stewart, who, Was involved with media relations with the US government.
	Alright, so in terms of your interaction with the Stargate, is there anything specific that went on?
	Did you ever help the military remote movers?
	I mean, viewers on the side of the military?
	Again, I mentioned to you, I had no direct association with anybody in the military.
	Primarily, I was utilized for domestic purposes.
	Okay, but when you were backing INGO up, that was because of the development of the protocols?
	Yes, because there were still unanswered questions regarding the original protocol development that INGO was coming up with.
	Part of it was that some of this could be traced to the research that was done by Dr. Rufus Osgood Mason almost a century earlier, and a lot of it mimicked What would become the CRV protocol that Ingo would prize?
	And for that reason, there were members of the American Society for Psychical Research that questioned Ingo's protocol as being a possible rip-off or a fluke that derived from Dr. Mason's research work.
	And which was another reason why the second phase was brought in, so to eliminate any shadow of doubt.
	Okay, and didn't you say Dr. Mason was a relative?
	Yes.
	Yes, I'm like second cousin, a couple generations removed by way of my great-grandmother's side, Jessie Harriet Mason, who married George William Coda.
	Okay, and so, in other words, you're, I don't know, if you are, or the Psychical Research Organization that you're talking about, which I know, or at least I recall, that Ingo didn't have great fondness for after a while, you're saying that they may have found that some of the original protocols came from this individual Mason.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	This is a fact that A published work that was done by Dr. Mason was published around 1896-1897 and it does go into his research, his clinical research, into what would be psychical and parapsychology.
	And there's a chapter in which is almost exactly to the CRV method that would be developed or be utilized at SRI.
	Okay, well that's, yeah, that's very interesting.
	Okay, can you tell me, have you ever read the book Psychic Warrior?
	Yes.
	And what did you think about the author?
	I thought Dr. Morehouse's interpretation was quite interesting.
	Since, you know, I've never had real... I tried to have an email Okay.
	with Dr. Morehouse, and he would never answer me.
	So I could not really get a direct, you know, communication from him as far as what his personal views were outside of the book.
	Okay.
	You know, you seem to have sort of a background that you can't really figure out completely, and I know you've done a fair amount of investigation in that regard.
	May I ask you why you haven't used your own remote reviewing skills on looking at your own background?
	Have you found blocks in that area or what?
	No, it's because of what I discovered.
	That I want to keep personal.
	I mean, there's some things we have in our personal lives we don't want to disclose publicly.
	Not because it's anything, you know, outrageous or anything embarrassing.
	It's just a certain aspect of privacy.
	Because of my family's background in the military and in the intelligence fields, I don't want to give the wrong impression or say something that could be a problem.
	No, no, I think you misunderstood my question.
	What I was asking is that, for your own purposes, have you remote viewed your, not that you would put it public anywhere, but have you, for your own purposes of investigation, investigated using your psychic and remote viewing abilities your own past?
	Yes, yes I have.
	And was that helpful?
	Oh, very much so.
	A lot of the It's interesting how many of us got into remote viewing.
	We're almost kind of like discouraged to really go inwardly into our consciousness and into our probing of our own remote viewing self, you know, but to be utilized more on the outside aspects.
	It's almost like the certain members or certain people within the intelligence community already knew who you were.
	Before they selected you.
	And according to the research, they did not want to divulge full information to us, either internally or externally, that could influence us and diminish our abilities as remote viewers.
	Because they felt that the more impartial and less information we were given, you know, It would not pollute our abilities to remote view.
	Okay.
	Have you ever gone to Ingo Swann's website, which is called BiomindSuperpowers.com?
	Yes, I have been there.
	Okay.
	Because he has a history there of remote viewing.
	I don't know if you've read it.
	Yes, I have.
	Okay.
	And does it seem fairly accurate to you?
	Pretty much from what I can The serum from Ingo's side of it, it seems quite accurate, but there are some additional information that I don't think Ingo was fully disclosed.
	It was done that way deliberately, so that way not everybody had the full skinny on it.
	Right.
	Are you familiar with remote influencing?
	I've heard the term used before.
	And unfortunately, I like to use a term called remote voodoo.
	I think it's a little bit overrated, and I think it's more of a distraction of really what remote viewing is.
	Getting into the idea of remote influencing seems a little bit more far-fetched than what's cracked up to be.
	What about special powers?
	Do you consider yourself having any exceptional or unique psychic ability or proclivity?
	In other words, have you found that your gift is a specific kind of a gift?
	Again, it's kind of hard to really pinpoint it because every remote viewer has their own unique skill and ability.
	And it just can't put it really in a full nutshell as far as what point A or point B, but in certain skills, yes, we might have our own particular area that we focus on.
	Well, I mean, what I'm asking you is whether you yourself, I'm not asking you necessarily about others, but I was asking whether you yourself have discovered that you have any particular sort of unique cast to the way that you do either remote viewing and or use your psychic abilities.
	For example, Okay, yeah, I understand what you mean.
	I tend to focus, I believe, in the area of what I call a quantum remote viewing, where I have demonstrated where I could basically time travel by way of remote viewing to two different time periods and locations.
	Okay, so you're able to, can you repeat that?
	You're able to time travel?
	Yeah, by way of remote viewing.
	Alright, and when you say time travel, are you talking about going sort of into the future, into the past, or both?
	A combination of all three.
	Okay, meaning all three, when I said two things, what's the third one?
	Yeah, either remote viewing the future, which is pretty cognitive, Remote viewing the past, which is called retro.
	And of course, remote viewing the here and now.
	Okay, I see.
	And so is that, that would be like a sort of, maybe you might say a special talent that you've got?
	Most remote viewers have this, have this talent.
	But some are more, more attuned to one aspect or in variation of another.
	Uh huh.
	And do you specialize in any particular aspect of that?
	Uh, I, I, from, for myself, I like retro, but it doesn't necessarily mean I, you know, that that's, that is my focus.
	Okay.
	Um, are you familiar with Joe McMonagle?
	Uh, yes, we have discussed, uh, things on the email back and forth.
	All right.
	Let me ask you this.
	We met and we talked about the Aurora shooting and you had some theories about what was going on there that you've been following out.
	Have you made any progress since we last talked?
	Well, I've noticed some interesting patterns that seem to have come out of the Aurora shootings.
	It's just a sad event that seemed to have had various copycat or alleged copycat overtones.
	One of the things I found interesting was that it was later discovered that there was a lot of what are referred to as psychical markers that were found in the area of the Aurora shooting that connected to other events that either happened before, during, or later.
	In which, for example, one of the people that got the shot at the theater was a sports writer, caster, lady?
	Yes.
	And a month prior to that, she was at a shopping center, and I believe it was in Toronto, and there was a shooting there, and she narrowly escaped getting shot there.
	And then, ironically, she was in the theater when that happened at Aurora.
	Well, as far as I'm concerned, that's a coincidence that can't be a coincidence.
	In other words, it has to have been a lot more than a coincidence.
	Well, perhaps you could share this with me, that I might have something to share to add on to it.
	Oh, well, no, I'm just simply saying that that synchronicity is too close to be an accident.
	Okay, yeah.
	I do feel that something, from what I was able to research, just didn't add up to just being, you know, Something out of the blue.
	It seemed to have been coordinated in some manner.
	To what level of, you know, of application, I don't know because I do not have access to that level of intelligence or, you know, disclosure ability.
	One of the things I did notice was in reference to the shooting at the Sikh temple, if you recall, outside of Milwaukee, that the that the person who originally came out of Fort Hood was an excellent shooter, you know, was trained by the U.S. Army, and the street that he lived on was in a town called Cudahy, which was the next town up from and the street that he lived on was in a town called Cudahy, which was the
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	Al, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, very good.
	So, right before the break, we were just getting into the Aurora shootings and some of the things that you noticed that That might have sort of caught your eye, and in fact, my curiosity was about whether or not you had remote-viewed that whole incident, and did you do so?
	Minorly I did, because I found things to be... normal things were not just adding up in the situation.
	Going back to the incident of the shooting at the Sikh temple, Uh, when they located the shooter's, uh, location of where he lived, he lived in the next town over called Cudahy.
	And the street he lived on, believe it or not, was called Holmes Avenue.
	Now what, now what does the name Holmes sounds to you?
	Uh, well, I mean, James Holmes was, was the supposed shooter at Aurora.
	Right.
	So here we have a third coincidence.
	You know, of another shooting within a short time frame of the original Aurora shooting.
	So as I looked into the street name being Holmes Avenue, it then later turned out that the shooter at the Sikh Temple originally came from Colorado and was living in Colorado for quite a few years.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Again, because I found that coincidence, I decided to see, okay, where did James Holmes live?
	And he lived in a street called Paris Avenue.
	Now, what did Paris have to do with this?
	This I would later discover through some communications to an individual from England.
	In which they were getting ready for the Olympics.
	If you recall, the Olympic Games were only about a month or two from starting.
	Yes.
	And according to a contact that I had, they were doing a lot of extra security for the Olympics.
	And there was a lot of symbolism that was in the opening and the closing games.
	In my research, I found that, I found connected, when I found that name, Paris Avenue, connected to James Holmes, I got the, uh, the remote viewing of, uh, what was the, the, the singer, Jim Morrison of The Doors.
	And, um, his reference referring to himself as, uh, the Lizard King.
	And it turned out that in one of the, Uh, performances at the Olympic ceremony, which I think it was the closing period, uh, there was a scene where there was a vehicle, and out of the vehicle pops out Batman and Robin.
	And, all of a sudden, there's also another scene where there seems to be a guy dressed up like a lizard, you know, running around by the fire flame, along with a phoenix bird.
	Yes.
	And when all these patterns began to appear, then it all started to become apparent that somebody was copycatting in some kind of ritualistic psychological thing, almost like repeating itself in a more black occult direction.
	Yes, I actually had written an article about those kinds of things that seemed to be going on and cropping up around that time.
	You also mentioned, if I recall, how neuroscience seemed to be a through line in the Aurora shooting.
	Both James Holmes was studying that and then there was a connection A doctor who went across the border and gave a presentation that was significant in this regard?
	Yes.
	Dr. Morse was doing some lecturing on neuroscience and the breakthroughs of neuroscience techniques to do with mind enhancement or with mind dynamics.
	And it's strange that he, upon return, was arrested.
	He was in jail for 72-hour hold supposedly for being mentally ill, released, and then about a week or two later re-arrested.
	And supposedly his daughter accusing him and her parent mother of waterboarding her.
	Right.
	It was a completely bizarre story.
	And there was also a colleague in, I believe it was Canada, where he gave his presentation saying that it was one of the most brilliant of his career, in her opinion.
	Yes, that's what I was told.
	So whatever Dr. Morse was discussing, it must have ruffled the feathers of somebody.
	Because it just seems that the timing of that in Montreal The timing of him being a neuroscientist and also with James Holmes being connected with developing himself into neuroscience, you know, is there a connection between James Holmes and Dr. Morse?
	I'm sorry?
	That seems possible suspect.
	Right.
	But wasn't there a third piece that also had to do with the neuroscience angle?
	One thing that I noticed was that James Holmes was studying, strangely enough, time travel.
	Did you happen to trip on that?
	I have heard about this, and this has to do again with what we were talking about, remote viewing, and the abilities to time travel by way of remote viewing.
	But now looking into back engineering, trying to find where more denser time travel can be achieved.
	In other words, where the physical body could time travel.
	One of the key factors that was discovered in some of the remote viewing experiments was the ability that some remote viewers reported that they biolocated.
	Now, you know what biolocation is?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Now, there have been reports that some remote viewers did biolocate in some of their sessions, where they appear to have been in two places at once, or multi-locations.
	Right.
	And have you ever done that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I myself believe I've done that.
	Can you talk about that, what that dynamic is like for you?
	Well, it's just doing it like a normal remote viewing session, and as you are visualizing, you know, the event, you become more and more involved with the event, as if the event brings you in, or that you find yourself being disintegrated into the other
	Into the other side of the target location.
	And this has been a discussion over the years how some of the protocols knew of this, or the intelligence agencies knew of this, and tried to discourage this biolocation technique so that the enemy could not observe us in our remote viewing.
	But at the same time, doesn't it make it also more possible for you to affect, in other words, if the remote viewer was doing more than just view, it's possible for the remote viewer to actually affect the environment in which they are biolocating, or have the environment, for that matter, affect them, right?
	I think maybe a little bit of both.
	And if you read in Ingo Swann's Research.
	He mentioned about remote viewing to Jupiter.
	And in remote viewing to Jupiter, it had to do with pre-designations of what would be later, I think, some spacecraft that NASA was going to be sending via JPL to try to verify certain land sites or locations on the surface of Jupiter that might
	It would be useful in photography of the later vehicles that would be sent up there.
	Right.
	Have you ever done any remote viewing of other planets?
	Not to my knowledge.
	I seem to stay mostly within this time frame of this planet.
	it.
	Okay.
	In regard, to get back just so that we can sort of tie this up, the Aurora shooting, was there anything else that has sort of come up that you've noticed or that you're aware of in conjunction with what went on in Aurora, the Sikh shooting?
	that sort of emerged?
	Yes.
	If you remember, the theme seemed to have been focused on the movie Batman.
	If you look into the Batman movie, you will notice toward the end at Focus, it was a terrorist event where they were trying to steal a nuclear, a new type of nuclear device.
	Well, yeah, I thought it was sort of a free energy device, actually.
	Right.
	And what is surprising is, if you see the theme of the ending of Batman, it is almost exactly the same theme that is used in Angels and Demons in the movie that starred Tom Hanks and was written by Dan Brown.
	That's true.
	Yes.
	And it had to do with the discovery of what is known as the God Particle.
	Okay.
	Okay, if you look into it, the God Particle, or the research that would become the God Particle, was known as the CERN Project.
	It started around 1954.
	And this was a Cold War project.
	It started under the administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
	Now that's interesting.
	And the CERN Project was in dedication to Albert Einstein, which he unfortunately passed away in 1953, and also a A statement to the then Soviet Union of going beyond just the concept of nuclear sources of providing other energies.
	And there were quite a number of people that were involved with the CERN project, in which, when last year it was announced by one of the members of the CERN project, they were coming close to discovering The dot particle, the scientist that came out announcing this was Dr. Sven-Olof Mach.
	A relative.
	Right, and is this a relative of yours?
	Yes.
	Okay, so he's currently alive, in other words, right?
	He was working associated with Peter Higgs.
	Higgs, I mean.
	In his model, that would become the successful model in capturing the bosun, that was announced, believe it or not, on the 4th of July of last year.
	Right.
	And if you recall, what's the 4th of July?
	The 4th of July is the American Independence Day.
	Yes.
	And if you go into the mysteries of the founding of the Americas, If you look at the original colonial eagle that was utilized back in the colonies, not the eagle that we're used to today, but the colonial eagle was more shaped like a phoenix.
	That's right.
	And the individual who came up with the model, Peter Higgs, was a Scotsman.
	And the symbolism of the Phoenix was widely used at the Olympic Games last October.
	That's true.
	So, there is some, and of course, there are people on this planet that feel that many of the physicists are messing around with God in the discovery, in the capture of the God particle.
	You know, in which many scientists at first said, oh, it can't be done.
	And now that it's been done, It's now changing the whole outlook of physics, free energy, and the whole idea of how to run the planet on an energy source that we don't have to use fossil fuels anymore.
	Okay, can you be a little more specific as to how discovering the God particle Actually does lead in that direction.
	My understanding of it had to do, that it was, that it had to do with being able to actually create reality in the sense that we understand it, reality that is.
	In other words, they could literally create whole worlds out of this.
	Well, supposedly the God particle is supposed to be The start of how the universe began is supposed to be what the so-called Big Bang theory comes from.
	And that you can find through, as you look at some of the early writings, where they found that light is energy, energy is light from a scientific point of view.
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	So we were talking about the God Particle and I'm just curious, how does this link up with neuroscience in your view?
	With the capture of the God Particle, basically we're hitting blue sky in aspects of consciousness.
	We'll be able to now take aspects of consciousness and bring it more into a physical reality.
	Right.
	And so, how do you think, in other words, do you have any thought, or have you remote viewed CERN, for example?
	Because I understand they're building an even bigger complex now that they've done that.
	Right?
	From what I hear, they're building it, or it should shortly be online.
	But I have not really focused that much on the CERN project, per se.
	But I have been interested in what's been going on with time travel because of my research into quantum applied remote viewing.
	Alright, do you want to elaborate?
	Well, one of the big topical subjects right now is the information that came out about the so-called secret NASA projects going to the planet Mars.
	Right.
	Okay, one of the key things in that, we could probably trace some of this that goes way back to the days of Project Rainbow, prior to World War II, our entry into World War II, and the cloaking of ships for invisibility.
	This was used, utilized by Tesla, and theorized by Einstein, In the Unified Field Theory that he came up with, according to the public information, they said that Einstein never finished the theory.
	But the fact of the matter is, it may have been that Einstein did finish completion of the Unified Field Theory, but it took a while for it to work the bugs out.
	And this may be One of the key factors of what you hear are the stories of the Philadelphia Experiment, where, how true or not it is, how in one of the experiments, a number of the crewmen found themselves fused into the ship's hull and such.
	Well, I don't know if you know about Sean David Morton's book called Sands of Time?
	No, I've not read that.
	Okay, but he, a person who supposedly was head of Area 51 throughout the 60s and into, I guess, maybe up until the 80s or 90s, passed away and left his diaries to Sean and asked him to write a nonfiction book.
	It's all centered around the way that he got the final part of the The equation that Einstein was working on and that they were very involved in time travel in these black projects.
	Okay.
	Some of the information that I'm aware of is Einstein knew a lot of people, a lot of physicists, and one of the physicists that he was friends with was with the Mach family, Dr. Richard Mach, which was the son of French Minister Jules Mach, which also has ties to my family, that also connect to the U.S.
	government during World War II.
	Okay, how does that relate to time travel?
	Okay, in the aspect of time travel, as you know, Project Rainbow was, its major goal was to make Ships and such, invisible planes, ships, whatever, you know, undetectable by the enemy.
	And then through the fluke that was found by the Unified Field Theory, that's how they began to find abnormalities that led to possible time travel being truly a reality.
	Okay, so the idea being, and I was actually wondering, but now you've answered the question, is the link between invisibility and time travel is the idea that possibly, if I understand it, you can go into another dimension and in doing that is how you become invisible, in essence by traveling out of a certain time-space locale.
	Yes.
	More in the aspect of what would be termed as time-bending.
	I'm sorry, what's the term?
	Time-bending.
	Well, okay.
	Where you're not really time-traveling, you're still in the same place.
	You're just augmenting the same here and now time frame.
	Okay.
	But time bending is, well, it is in essence a definition for time travel, isn't it?
	A follow of it, yes.
	Okay.
	And according to some researchers, such an experiment happened where one of the ships, there was more than one experiment at Project Rainbow, one of the experiments
	One of the ships went from Norfolk to a port in Bermuda and followed the ship's logs and protocols.
	And when it arrived to the other point, it was three days late.
	But according to the logs and the time clocks on the ship, it was like 24 hours.
	So what happened together?
	48 hours.
	Sure, okay.
	So, I mean, this has kind of been well documented.
	Have you had any direct exposure to any of this?
	In other words, were you, I don't know, did you remote view, again, the God particle discovery?
	Have you been looking into this specifically?
	Not directly, because my focus has been more on viewing for domestic purposes.
	But there was an incident that happened to me back in the mid to late 1960s, in which my adopted father and I went out to Long Island.
	And I had this obsession to go to Montauk Point and view the Montauk Point Lighthouse.
	Right.
	And which we did.
	And then on our way back, we got lost.
	We got on the wrong road.
	And we were on some other road of the Montauk Highway, and came across what appeared to be a gated facility, government facility.
	And so we were trying to see if there was a, you know, a gate housed Or some kind of a building of information to, uh, to find out how to get back on the road to get back into New York City.
	And shortly after that, we were confronted by, uh, what looked like private security.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So we were, we were, we were confronted by private security, uh, because we got lost on the road.
	And what, so there's private security asked you to leave, I assume, right?
	They asked us to leave the area.
	They basically asked us what we were doing there.
	And basically told them that we were lost on the road.
	And we're trying to get back on the freeway.
	And it was very nice.
	No complaints.
	Nothing moral.
	And years later I would find out that the facility that we were looking at was the facility that was described as being part of the Montauk Project.
	Right.
	Of time travel.
	Okay, and how old were you back in those days?
	I was a teenager.
	I must have been about maybe 12, 13 years old.
	Really?
	Okay.
	So that, well actually that would have been before 1983, right?
	Yeah, it was somewhere in 19, somewhere like I said mid to late 1960s.
	Okay, so, well, from what we know now, that base, I don't know, you said it looked like it was deserted, but I have to say it was operational.
	It was still operational at that time.
	If it was an operation, it probably was winding down at the time when my father and I accidentally stumbled on it.
	Okay, did you happen to live on Long Island?
	No, but I was born on Long Island, actually in Brooklyn.
	Okay.
	I've got someone in, we've got a chat room that goes along with the program here, and someone is asking, I'm not sure how it relates to anything, but they're asking whether you remote viewed the Coral Castle.
	Is that the one down in Florida?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I didn't remote view it, I've been there.
	You know, took a tour of the Coral Castles, visited, saw some of the stones, the way it was set up.
	Uh, really amazing, uh, how this gentleman was able to find the balance points of all these rocks and stones and was able to, uh, uh, de-gravitize these, these, these, you know, to make these unusual and unique monuments.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, speaking of time travel, well, we have gotten to the end of the show, believe it or not, and I kind of feel like we've only grazed the surface, that there's a lot more that we could be talking about.
	So I'd love to talk to you further If not offline, then also on another show.
	And I'm sorry that we didn't get to some of the questions that were in the chat here.
	Do you want to give out a website or anything else that you'd like people to know before we go?
	Well, I am on Facebook under Alfred Koza, C-O-T-A.
	I also have a section under A. Edward Mock of some of the Uh, experiences I've had.
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