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11/07/2012 - Bruce Fenton.

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door
	Stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	Strange shade of stump, deep cat eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
	I can't help the longing of the wind moon.
	He's a giant, he's a giant, he's a giant, you are.
	He's a giant, he's a giant, he's a giant.
	Mary Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And tonight we have a very interesting guest.
	But before we go to that, I just want to announce that if you haven't already seen a million notices or emails about this, that we do have a TV show.
	The pilot that we shot I don't know if it's two years or three years ago.
	It might even be three years ago.
	It's so crazy.
	But at any rate, we shot a pilot for TruTV, and it was supposed to be a backup show to the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory, only in our case it went into the ET question, so to speak.
	And it is called Shadow Operations, and this episode is called The Mars Project.
	And it's airing tonight at 8 p.m., so it's going to actually start on the Pacific Coast, from what I understand, at least for the high-deaf people.
	You know, people with high-deaf TVs.
	I really don't understand how True schedules their things, and I couldn't get a straight answer about it.
	So, all I can tell you, it's either on at 8 p.m.
	Pacific Time and 11 p.m.
	Eastern Time.
	Or it's at 11 p.m.
	Pacific Time also.
	And what I don't know is what it is in Eastern Time after that.
	Maybe 11 to 12, 12 to 1, 1 to 2.
	I don't know, 3.
	I don't really know.
	So it's on tonight.
	And it's a bizarre saga and it's on the front page of Project Camelot.
	So if you're listening to me and you didn't know we had a TV show, Uh, like I said, we shot this two or three years ago.
	It's been sitting on a shelf.
	They finally decided to release it.
	Uh, we, they didn't notify us.
	We just found out because, uh, by a coincidence, one of our loyal followers, uh, saw the listing on True TV and had seen the stuff we'd written on the blogs about it and put two and two together and realized that indeed, uh, the show was our show and it was finally airing.
	So they let us know.
	And since then we've been doing, I guess it's the last 12 hours we've been trying to do a really quick ad campaign to get people to watch it because the way they decide whether a television pilot goes to series is by, obviously, the ratings.
	We had been warned a long time ago, once they put this on the shelf, that they hide these kinds of things.
	They'll do a pilot and they need to put it out there for the advertisers, but they didn't do any advanced advertising that we know of.
	They didn't let us know, which is, I think, against some rules in terms of our agreements with our agents, you know, with the network, etc.
	But who's counting, right?
	So they didn't Didn't give us any advance notice.
	We just found out by accident and so by accident I'm letting you know and I'm asking if you would support Project Camelot and even if you listen to this TV show, I mean to this radio show, that you go and watch the TV show on TruTV instead of listening to this radio show at 8 p.m.
	Pacific Time.
	If indeed it is playing as they say it is, and I know it sounds crazy for me to say that, but we're looking for ratings, and what those ratings will give us is the possibility of a shot at a TV series, and that will get the information on Project Camelot that the world so desperately needs in order to make intelligent decisions about the future.
	They need to find out the reality beneath the matrix and indeed Camelot has been on the forefront of that fight to get the truth out for at least seven years at this point.
	I'd appreciate that if anyone's listening to do that.
	And then if you have friends and family, you can also let them know.
	The other thing we're also encouraging people to do, of course, is to tape it to make copies of it so that people that miss the show will be able to see it.
	And I have no doubt.
	That it will probably go viral at some point after the showing and then show up at, you know, sort of illegally in various places.
	I'm not going to name particular places.
	And that's fine with us if that's what's happening.
	Let's see, that's the update.
	And again, go to the front page of Project Camelot and you'll see, actually still from the TV show, that I'm pretty sure is illegal for me to have had, but I did have it and I did release it.
	And it's actually a very good show.
	It really has, well, it has Gordon Neville, who's passed on in great form.
	And you'll be wondering how it is he could be dying two or three years after that, after he was on the show.
	And then he's also Brian O'Leary has died since the time he shot his segment of the show.
	And but we still have David Wilcock and Bob Dean.
	We've got Andy Bishago and numerous others on the show.
	It's really pretty impressive, the people that are on the show.
	So I do encourage you to watch it.
	I call it Disclosure in a Box.
	I think for all intents and purposes, for mainstream consensus reality, that's exactly what it is.
	People that have never heard of anything to do with Mars and black projects, et cetera, are going to get an earful, no doubt about it, and have their minds pried open, let's put it that way, in a good way.
	So enough about that.
	Now I just want to introduce Bruce Fenton.
	He is Coming on my show, he's apparently a supernatural researcher for the last 15 years.
	He is a gifted psychic.
	He's a webmaster and his website is 2012rising.com.
	He's also written a book called 2012 Rising, The Last Zulkin.
	And we're going to find out more about what that means.
	His partner, Daniela Cardenas, and actually I don't know if Daniela will be on this call, so I'm going to find that out, but apparently they work together and I think they wrote the book together.
	So we'll find out more about that just by asking Bruce.
	So Bruce, are you here with me on the call?
	I am indeed, Kerry, and thank you for having us on.
	Daniella's sort of here in the background in case there's anything that she sort of has to reply to.
	Although, you know, I'm sort of the main spokesperson, if you like, for the book, just because we've had past experience with interviews and whatnot.
	But yeah, she is here in the background.
	All right.
	Well, awesome.
	And, you know, I'm sorry that this whole drama with our television show has happened on top of the radio show.
	It's actually, you know, truly bizarre.
	We couldn't even get a straight answer as to the real time when the show is airing.
	But it's one of those things we're going through.
	What is, I think it's Mercury Retrograde now that we've had the election.
	Isn't that right?
	Yeah, that's right.
	I saw the thing you had on the website.
	Like you, I was quite amazed that TruTV didn't think to perhaps let you know so that you could let thousands of people that go to your website watch it.
	It does strike me as incredibly bizarre that they wouldn't afford to say, can you promote this?
	Yeah, well, and then promoted it themselves.
	But this is, they do this when they want to kill a show.
	That's their intent on killing the show.
	They have been for, you know, going on two years now, ever since it was shot, because obviously it became, what's contained in that show is, like I said, more or less disclosure in a box.
	So, The fact that it's making it on TV, albeit in this really odd fashion, is at least sort of testimony to a change somewhere in the
	I don't know if you want to say the cosmos, the powers that be, maybe the sort of back channels of power, the boardrooms where arguments take place and different opinions hold sway for certain periods of time.
	We basically thought they were going to just leave it on the shelf.
	We didn't think they were ever going to release it after sort of petitioning them for a full year to try to get that to happen.
	So, lo and behold, two years later, it is now hitting the airwaves without any advance notice at all.
	In fact, our agent didn't know, and neither did the producer of the show.
	So, there you go!
	And not to mention, of course, that it's buried under the fact that we just had the election, just to help make sure people aren't taking any notice of it.
	Yeah, maybe they're hoping everyone's going out drinking, either in celebration or misery, depending on which candidate you backed, if you believe in horse races of that kind.
	Rigged ones, that is.
	That's right, which I don't really... I mean, the best vote in that would have been that nobody voted and just the whole thing was a joke.
	Yeah, that would be interesting.
	At least maybe they'd get the message that we no longer believe in their version of reality if they would all just boycott the damn thing and admit that, you know, hey, this is a dictatorship and we realise that.
	So, at this moment, what I want to do though is make a transition into your material and I know people will be very interested in what you have to say.
	I do apologize that I haven't had a chance to read your book.
	I do want to read your book and so I'm really happy to have it and I encourage people to do so.
	I'm going to let you introduce your book and yourself.
	So can you first talk about how you got into what you're into now and possibly cover for your partners since she helped write the book from what I can tell.
	And tell me why you were stimulated to get involved in doing this.
	Certainly, yes.
	I mean, I suppose originally what took me into this kind of out-of-the-box area of our reality was sort of spontaneous psychic happenings from the age of 15.
	So I suppose really that's, for me, how it started.
	And also an interest in what I call the unexplained mysteries, such things as, of course, the building of the pyramids and the crystal skulls, Nazca lines, you know, some of these, you know, bigger, you know, well-known sort of mysteries, both modern and ancient.
	So that's how I sort of came into it and then from around about 20, I'm 35 now, from around 20 I began to be more serious and was spending most of my time studying everything from the global conspiracy to mysticism, the occult and of course you know these ancient mysteries and psychism.
	So really across the board I mean most of the subjects really that you know you cover and your other guests cover I mean pretty much Any of them, you know, I'd spent some time looking into the reason why I became more Focused, if you like, on 2012 and this, you know, the ending of the Maya calendar, was a personal event that happened to me back in 2002, which was extremely radical, despite having had psychic happenings and supernatural happenings.
	I was actually sitting at a computer, talking online to a friend, both in a chat room for a spiritualist organisation called Hafan i Coed, which is a spiritual And we were literally just in the middle of a conversation, tapping away, when suddenly I found myself instead floating above a jungle scene, flying towards a white-stepped pyramid.
	This was an out-of-body, if you like, astral-type experience.
	My friend Tracy also found herself there.
	We could not see each other, so clearly this wasn't what we'd call a bodily experience.
	It was just simply our consciousness.
	But in all intents and purposes, it felt extremely real, as though you were flying in a helicopter over the jungle.
	And as I approached this step pyramid, I was able to pick up sort of details about it, that it was, well, the most obvious thing was that it was brand new.
	It was shining white, you know, cut and dressed stone, unlike any, you know, Maya step pyramids such as we see today.
	And I noted that I could sense that there was a secret tunnel inside of it, that it was a beacon for the local people.
	Whilst Tracy, let's relate to me, what she experienced was that she actually picked up the date of being 675 AD.
	There was a man on top of this pyramid who was, I would say, you know, shamanic looking in that, you know, his attire was almost rather like a sort of medicine man's attire, gesticulating and saying something.
	but I can't remember any sound from this experience.
	And then we were sort of just suddenly back in our bodies in our separate rooms and able to sort of, you know, compare notes as to what had happened.
	And it was Tracy that said to me that she felt this experience was specifically meant for me, is what she'd picked up.
	At the time I had no understanding of why that was, having had no great interest in the Maya, more so in the Egyptians and such, probably like most of us, with the great pyramids.
	But of course, having had something so peculiar happen, I then became, you know, really interested in, you know, these temples and where this might have been and why it might have happened.
	And that's really what led me into the whole, you know, research of the Maya prophecies, the Maya calendar, and their temples and, you know, society, alongside ongoing what I'd call conspiracy and supernatural research.
	So really it became a sort of a special focus amongst my other studies.
	And in the course of the last I've gathered quite a lot of information on that and managed to converse with many of the well-known researchers such as Geoff Stray and John Major Jenkins and a few others.
	Yeah, I've also got my own opinions and, you know, other interesting tidbits along the way.
	So that's kind of the background to sort of how it came about.
	So it was, you know, a radical supernormal happening amongst various psychic supernormal happenings that I've had in my life.
	The book kind of is a mixture of my research on that show.
	It covers The prophecies, particularly, of course, the Maya prophecies, but also Hopi prophecies and the prophecies of the Rainbow Warriors, as well as, you know, a fairly in-depth look at the Mayan calendars.
	The 260-day calendar, which is the Zolkin, which is mentioned, of course, in the book title, The Last Zolkin, which is the final 260 days.
	And also the long count which gives us this end date of 21st December 2012.
	I then sort of go on in the book to also analyse the galactic alignment, which I'm sure that most of your listeners are familiar with from John Major Jenkins' work, the rising of the solstice sun towards the galactic centre on the winter solstice.
	And as well as looking at cosmic climate change, which I know, of course, your friend David Wilcock has looked at quite a lot as well, such as we cover.
	And of course, the ongoing magnetic field reversal, as well as an axial pole shift.
	And lastly, the Galactic Superwave Theory, and how that might activate DNA.
	So that entire first section of the book, with those subjects, really is based on several years of research, much of which can be found on my website, which has existed for the last five or six years.
	Um, but it's been put into a much more detailed, you know, and, um, I guess structured manner in the book.
	So hopefully, you know, readers, you know, people interested in those subjects will find those helpful.
	Uh, the second section really goes into perhaps the more, uh, I suppose we could call the more strange stuff.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that great overview.
	And, and we'll get into some questions about that, uh, and continue, uh, after this break.
	Thank you.
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	Okay, this is Gary Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Bruce Fenton about his new book, 2012 Rising, and Bruce, you were just talking about, I think, the first half, is that right?
	Yeah, that's right.
	I've divided the book into two distinct sections.
	The first one really is what I'd call the necessary background information and research for people that aren't familiar with, you know, the whole reasoning as to why the end of 2012 is looked at as being potentially very important and potentially, you know, radical changes and all the rest of it.
	So that's the first section, what many people might call the technical data, as well as the prophecies and the calendar itself for the Myers.
	The second section is more what I suppose we'd call the supernormal and the messages, the warnings, the more, I guess, difficult to accept for people with a very kind of, I guess, more mainstream thinking, you know, who don't believe there's any such thing as supernatural events or psychic powers and all the rest of it.
	So that's why I've kind of divided it so that I know there's some people who may never read past the first section and others who will only read the second section.
	So I've tried to make it easy for people.
	Right, okay.
	But if you were to detail the way you did, at least in overview, the second half, and then we could kind of drill down a little deeper into the whole thing, that would probably be helpful for people.
	Certainly, yes, and I think, you know, probably a lot of the listeners here would be more inclined towards the second part, in that I know that many of them have heard, of course, guests of yours talking about the prophecies and the various events that are going on, as I mentioned, the sort of cosmic climate change and magnetic pole reversals, which I know that you've covered.
	The second section really opens with my trip to Egypt, I'd say, which was with one of your past guests, Richard Gabriel.
	Well, he was present.
	I mean, I sort of went there on my own, but he and Judith are friends of mine.
	They were out there doing their own work.
	They took me to what I consider to be one of the most important sites in Egypt, which is actually on your tour, I know you're going to, which is Abu Ghurab.
	Which anyone out there that's planning to go on your tour should take special note of, because that is actually a Stargate location.
	I didn't know at the time, I can honestly say that I hadn't encountered that information, but we actually did conduct a Stargate opening there, sort of a meditative chanting type activity, which was very spontaneous.
	It was something that just emerged in us whilst we were at the site in the evening in a private session there, and it was With this event that really leads to a lot of the second half of the book in that although I didn't actually think you know if I'm totally honest I didn't think much had happened other than that we picked up information about the site.
	We felt that it was around 15,000 years old.
	It was from psychic sensing that there is a facility or remains of a facility under the ground there.
	If you sort of drop your consciousness downwards you find that there's chambers there with what seems to be remnants of technology and So it was clear to us that this was an exceptionally important site in the ancient world back in the time of course, you know, long-lost Atlantis and Lemuria and all these, you know, cultures that we speak of now.
	At the time after that, you know, there was no, you know, if I'm honest, there was no, you know, flashing beams of light or aliens landing or nothing that would say to you, you know, wow, you know, we've opened a stargate.
	But, you know, I had this strange sort of inner sense to sort of look up at the stars and I noticed that The Pleiades cluster rises in alignment with the entranceway to Abu Ghurab.
	I found myself strangely drawn to these stars and began speaking to them.
	I've never had any great fascination with the Pleiades.
	Um, but I found myself sort of asking to these guys, you know, why have you guys left us here?
	You know, why don't you come back to help?
	Um, I had a loose awareness, of course, that from ufology that there are a group of beings, people called the Bledians.
	Um, again, I hadn't had special interest in them.
	Um, but this I found was really emotional.
	It was though I felt I had a connection to this place.
	Um, it was some time after this actually about This was in November 2011.
	I was out there for sort of the 11-11 time.
	But it was actually in February that we began to have some very peculiar events occur, specifically February the 1st, which actually was my
	My fiancée, Daniela, that began to have these experiences, and it was a kind of, I suppose, I'd have to say the most similar thing would be an abduction, a sort of, somewhere between abduction and channeling, in that she found herself, after having gone to bed, after having a few drinks, you know, so not in any particular focus, meditative, you know, state, being drawn into a altered state of consciousness and pulled literally sort of through the wall,
	feeling as though her molecules of her body were literally dragged quite painfully through the wall and found herself in a kind of conference that there were a group of beings talking and one central figure, all of whom feeling as though her molecules of her body were literally dragged quite painfully through the wall and found herself in a kind of conference that there were a group of beings talking and one central figure, all of whom were unusually tall, and were relaying to her all kinds of information and were relaying to her all kinds of
	And this actually went on for about three hours.
	Fortunately, some of this she was actually mumbling in this sort of unconscious or semi-conscious state Um, and me being, you know, the type of chap I am, I quickly jotted down on my laptop anything I could make out by sort of literally putting my ear to her mouth.
	The next day I sort of questioned her as to, you know, did you remember anything?
	I didn't want to sort of give too much away.
	I mean, I guess my experience of sort of research was certainly not to, you know, to prompt people too much.
	So I just asked, could you remember anything strange that happened?
	And she then sort of relayed to me this experience and what she could remember of it.
	And fortunately, between the two of us, between what she remembered and what I'd written down, we were able to put together a cognizant, you know, recollection of exactly what this was all about.
	The really peculiar aspect is that much of what she said is in line with Hopi prophecy and other ancient prophecies that I know of, including such events as the coming of the three suns and a magnetic event which could turn off all of our electricity.
	There were other events in there, which were in line with what I know as being unknown prophecies.
	She, however, had not studied any of these.
	It's probably important to clarify that, you know, whilst I was doing all the rest of my research, my other experiences, we know we were not together.
	We only physically met each other in 2012.
	We've briefly been sort of online contacts in the past, but not about my research just as friends.
	So none of this was sort of prompted by me or by her, you know, explicitly being with me.
	So it was all extremely peculiar and it was only After that, we sort of put two and two together in a tarot reading actually, where she picked up that I had asked for this experience to happen, which initially I was sort of quite adamant that I certainly hadn't.
	I hadn't asked aliens to drag someone through the wall and start telling them about coming events.
	But of course then my mind drew back to the experiences at Abu Ghurab and having deliberately asked for help from these plebeians.
	Yeah, be careful what you wish for, huh?
	Exactly, exactly.
	Because of course, when you're dealing with aliens, their response is alien to us.
	So it's not as simple as them shooting me an email saying, thanks for the request, help's on its way.
	It was a really unexpected, bizarre happening three months later, and not happening to me, but to our fiancé.
	That's how the second half of the book really gets going, is with the answer, if you like, from this Stargate opening event that we did in Egypt.
	These have then continued on, and we've had now months of these events.
	The first one differs in that it was in a space which we can only assume was maybe another dimension or another And it certainly wasn't, you know, a conference happening on normal space and normal Earth.
	Whereas the subsequent, I suppose again, you know, the most similar thing is abductions because we haven't asked for these things to happen.
	But the subsequent experiences have actually been that she is taken back to a past life where she inhabits a different physical body, which we can only assume is her past life body.
	And that she finds herself in the Maya city of Palenque in the Yucatan, and the timing is the 7th century.
	So that's linked back into, as I say, how my own experiences began with the Maya in 2012.
	She finds herself in 7th century Palenque.
	Of course, there's an obvious tie-in that Ten years later, you know, my partner is being taken back to a place that I was taken to ten years ago, but I failed to gain any significant information.
	This has later been explained in the experiences that I was considered not having a strong enough mind and strong enough psychic abilities to make the merging with my past life self, who was actually the man on top of the temple that I observed.
	So 10 years later, they have now begun these time travel abductions with my fiance and twin flame, who is energetically, again, compatible with this experience that they once happened of taking someone back to give them information, compatible with this experience that they once happened of taking someone back to give them information, and so now they've
	The information she's gaining from there, of course, is startling, because whereas today we have lost most of the Maya information, we don't even have a real Maya calendar, we just have this Aztec sunstone that people always, of course, bandy around as a Maya calendar, but that's all we have to show.
	Back then, there were, you know, of course, dozens, as she says, she's seen dozens of different types of calendars there, mostly in an underground area below the city of Palenque, which, in all honesty, we have no reason to believe is not still sealed and still containing most of the things she's seen.
	These calendars depict events going back into the far past, into the far future, and what was happening then and now.
	There's also calendars there which can only be read by people that are psychically gifted.
	You literally run your finger around a groove, a spiral groove, and the information is transmitted into your mind.
	So there's advanced technologies there.
	And the reason for that, which I suppose is the most important part to explain, is that these Pleiadians who are carrying out these time-travel, pastoral abduction-type experiences, they are there, and they're physically there.
	They are inhabiting parts of Palenque, mostly what she sees as hybrids.
	The Pleiadians, pure Pleiadians, seem to be contacting them from What we assume is an off-world facility, whether that means from another, you know, a star system, or whether from an orbiting ship, is not as yet clear.
	Though we may well find out later as these experiences continue.
	But certainly, Lord Hanapagal, the King of Palenque, is himself a hybrid.
	And anyone that's familiar with Palenque and the famous Lid of Bacal, which of course Erich von Däniken made famous with his claims that it was a space vehicle, which we would agree with now, this tomb of his contains a sarcophagus which allows for a body of around two and a half meters or seven and a half feet.
	So it was built for someone who was extremely tall for a Maya.
	Probably some of you will be aware that the Maya people, even today, let alone back then, were short.
	It certainly would have been extremely abnormal to have anyone even of six foot, let alone seven and a half foot.
	So these were not normal beings that were leading this city.
	Alongside them are our old friends, or frenemies, I guess you'd call them, the Greys, particularly a group of Tall Greys, who are even taller than these Pleiadian hybrids, and they are, in their own words, sort of monstrous.
	You have these beings which are around three metres tall, quite aggressive, and carrying out horrific experiments on humans down in these vaults and experimental areas, and working in a truce with the Pleiadians, Although, there's a clear difference in agendas between the two.
	Okay, well, that's very, you know, interesting material, obviously.
	Let me ask you this, in terms of sort of the downloads or however you kind of frame it, that you and your partner have gotten, how did you discriminate between that, you know, sort of the Possibility that you may be being sort of taken for a ride, etc, etc.
	How do you how do you discern what whether you're getting truth or not?
	well I suppose part of it is that certainly with prediction wise I mean we have made a few predictions over the last year based on some of the information we've had also our own senses you know for us as well being sort of intuitive but we have you know accurately predicted a number of large earthquakes for instance which we've publicly done on Twitter and Facebook
	so we know that certainly aspects of the information that we've tested you know have been accurate also with the experiences themselves because you're sort of there you know if you like you're seeing it Unlike channeling, which of course, I mean, I think we all realize that channeling, you know, can be very good and very accurate, but it is open to the ego or the person's own state of mind as to how they interpret it.
	And of course, you know, you've got to be very well aware that the CIA have technologies which can replicate channeling.
	I mean, I know that even decades ago they were able to do such things as put a tooth in the mouth and transmit signals to them.
	So that kind of challenge, I've always been a bit hesitant with.
	But when you're there in terms of your consciousness, I don't know of a technology, I'm not saying they don't exist, but that can make you have that experience.
	So, I mean, when you're seeing the things yourself, and you're seeing the calendars, and you're seeing the temples, then really you are taking the information directly from a visual experience rather than someone giving you that information, which of course is, as you say, is open to being taken for a ride, which is why I felt confident enough to put this in a book.
	I think that if you had been Okay, we're going to go to a break, obviously.
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	This is Terry Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Bruce Fenton about his and his partner's experiences with channeling, with what he calls the last zulken, which I guess, if I understand it correctly, is the which I guess, if I understand it correctly, is the last 260 days of a certain period of time, according to the Mayan calendar, correct? - Correct.
	Yes, essentially.
	I mean, I'm focused on a period of 260 days, really running up to the 31st of March 2013, which some Mayan orders have kind of noted as being the birth of the fifth son.
	I see.
	Okay, well, we are still in the midst of the whole thing, at any rate.
	And I did hear, you know, I do understand your sort of explanation as to how you sort of determine what's truth from falsity, etc.
	And that's the biggest sort of dilemma that I think people have.
	And I don't know that just because you do see certain things, in other words, you have an out-of-body experience, etc., etc., certainly it's very real for you, but there's no doubt whatsoever that grey technology allows them to put people in holograms of all kinds and give them implanted memories, etc., etc.
	So, I would say that that's probably no indication that you can be certain that something so-called happened or is real versus something that may be implanted.
	It simply may be impossible to tell the difference, you know, at a certain point.
	After that, you kind of have to discern the information you're getting and whether or not it, you know, is sort of can be validated in other sources.
	In other words, That's kind of where you might triangulate your information and find out for sure whether something is actually legitimate.
	But with that in mind, can you talk about what you're seeing or what you have seen now in terms of what you're revealing in your book?
	And you're welcome to give your website out from time to time during this conversation and then we'll try to take questions towards the end of the show too.
	But talking about what you in essence were shown, if you want to look at it like that, about the future.
	Yes, certainly.
	Just quickly as well, just to illustrate what you've said.
	I mean, of course, when we're dealing with advanced races, be it the Pleiadians or the Greys, I mean, we are dealing with civilisations, with technologies and spiritual understandings in some cases, way beyond the average person on earth, of course.
	I mean, there's always a degree of the unknown involved.
	I should add as well, for your listeners, to those who are sort of weighing up, you know, whether they can be open to believing, one aspect that's probably important to note is what I physically see, which is of course generally Daniela's having the experiences and I'm there in the room.
	One of the important things is I've seen her awake with black eyes from interactions with the greys who are violent to her in that they are generally trying to attack her to stop her from seeing certain areas.
	I've seen her head being bent backwards and I've physically pushed her head back into place where they're trying to twist her neck.
	We've had her talking in a strange language, which to me sounds Mayan.
	I've recorded hours of her sides of a conversation in a language which, as I say, it sounds Mayan, but I couldn't tell you if it wasn't.
	alien, you know, a Pleiadian or something, but it's certainly not, you know, English or Spanish, which is the languages we speak here.
	So, I mean, there is external evidence beyond, you know, the normal in terms of that certainly she shouldn't know this language if this isn't a past life experience.
	Of course, we've not translated these and we are wary of just forwarding, you know, these transcripts to people because we don't know what they say and we don't know whose hands that would end up in.
	So unless we could sit in there with somebody who can translate for us, Mayan, we're very hesitant, I'm sure you can understand, just to sort of forward these things around.
	So we do have personal kind of external physical evidence that something very peculiar is happening.
	But moving beyond that, so to the experiences themselves, again, There's a clear structure going on at Palenque.
	From the first experience, she finds herself walking into a meeting underground at Palenque.
	In this meeting, there are a group of very tall Men who are around about seven foot with this leader who's around seven and a half foot who we now identify as Hannah Bacow.
	They are having a conference as to a strategy for an upcoming conflict and there is a disagreement between two factions there as to whether or not they should be in this agreement with these Tall Greys.
	The Tall Greys have been essentially allowed to set up a lab at Palenque so that they can make hybrid soldiers.
	Some of the leadership do not agree with this, they don't trust these tall greys, they feel that they're going to betray them, and they would rather try to win this conflict without the help of these greys.
	The technologies being allowed, one thing is notable is that at no point does she see what I would call advanced weaponry, you know, so whether the contracts between races don't allow for that is not being made clear yet.
	But what is allowed is genetic manipulation and the tall greys seem especially good at this and they've been brought in and allowed to work there on an agreement they can have an area to themselves where they can carry out other projects as long as they provide technologies to these hybrids and their mind faction for fighting an upcoming war.
	So this is where it kind of starts and the idea of how we see Why these grays are even allowed there, because they are, as we say, very unpleasant.
	I think even today, most people who look at ufology will say that both the tall grays and the short grays typically aren't very nice.
	I mean, the short grays are involved even today in abduction and genetic manipulation.
	So there's a tradition of this, you can see, going back at least to then, and I'd say going way back into the past.
	For those who aren't too familiar with the Torgraves, one thing that she's noted is the way they talk.
	It's a kind of screeching sound, but amongst that we've identified a language that sounds awfully like ancient Sumerian.
	So, again, this is linked back to when we look at the ancient Sumerian culture, of course, that that seems to have been originated by an alien race.
	I think anyone who's looked seriously at Sumerians can see that it's replete with so much iconography depicting aliens and, you know, star systems and all the rest that it's very hard not to assume that the Sumerians were, at the very least, in contact with an alien race.
	So it's quite notable that these tall greys seem to speak a screeching Sumerian language.
	Um, they are intent, she finds out, they are intent on stealing technology from the Glydeans.
	So, I mean, they do have their own agenda.
	Uh, one of the things they're particularly after though, are the crystal skulls.
	And there are a number of these crystal skulls at Palenque in underground areas.
	Again, we have no reason to believe that they are not there today, although they could have been removed, of course, in the centuries that have followed.
	But it's particularly these crystal skulls that the Greys want.
	And from what we can make out from these experiences that Daniel's having, it's because they feel that there is a way of aligning these or using these, which is involved in making Earth changes happen faster or slower, that they can help modify our environment on Earth.
	And these tall brains obviously, I imagine, want them for their own nefarious purposes, whereas they have been used traditionally for more helpful purposes.
	There are other races that have been seen there by Daniela.
	There's another humanoid race that look very human, which have, at different times, seemed to want to help the Pleiadians with different projects.
	And the tall greys, you know, she has seen with short greys and, on occasion, lizard types.
	So, I mean, there is a, you know, there's a division of factions of different races that are working together.
	Whilst they're there, there seems to be a kind of peace treaty held up, generally, Although, you know, everyone has their own agenda and I wouldn't for a moment say that even those that seem very benevolent, you know, don't have an agenda and with the information that we get everyone of course has to be aware that
	Even very positive-seeming alien civilizations, you know, if they're interacting here on Earth with us, we should always keep in mind that they perhaps have their own agenda, and that even if it's that they genuinely want us to benefit, they probably are benefiting themselves in some way, that, you know, we can't assume that any race is totally, totally benevolent to us.
	Okay, well, yeah, and that's, it's great to hear you say that.
	Maybe I, please correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds as though, and I would be happy to hear from Daniela, are we going to a break again?
	Sorry, that was a mobile, I didn't realise you were in the room.
	Okay, yeah, we are actually going to have a break in five minutes or less, so I'll kind of be fast about this and then we can pick it up on the other side of the hour.
	But I wanted to say that Daniela is welcome to speak up and also express her own sort of experiences from more of an inner place in terms of what she's seeing, but it sounds as though you're actually seeing what is in essence a negative, a couple of negative races discussing things.
	Am I wrong?
	Well, there's a certain division.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Really, you've got the service-to-self mob there and the service-to-others mob, you know.
	So we've got the Pleiadians and these other humans who seem to be generally benevolent, although they have their own agendas.
	And then the division is with the greys and these lizard types who, you know, we see as being very negative and that really have only been allowed there to share certain technologies that would benefit the other side.
	And I think, you know, as it progresses it becomes clear it's a deal that the service to other side becomes to regret because inevitably they are betrayed.
	Right.
	Okay, now we are going to go to a break and we'll be right back at the other side of the hour.
	This one is a bit longer than usual, the top of the hour break, and so we will be right back with Bruce Benton and Daniella about 2012 rising.
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	Hi there, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	and And I've got a strange thing happening with the earphones or something going on.
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	So it looks like we've got our show, just to make an announcement here, that the show is airing on TruTV.
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	So I want to encourage you to to go and listen to that or watch the TV show because we do need the ratings that live listeners can give us to go to series and make more radio shows and more Camelot everything possible and will ultimately help even this radio station if we become We are in the alternative world and we are super fringe in a certain sense.
	But meanwhile, I'm here and we're going to continue.
	But again, I say our show is airing right now on True TV.
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	But I really don't understand the way True TV does their times, their listings.
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	And we have sent out and posted on the blog all the links to get to the right place to look at their listings, etc.
	Okay, so thank you for listening and enjoy the show.
	And meanwhile, Bruce, this will be a broadcast, you know, it will go on to our MP3 and be on American Freedom Radio.
	So don't worry, you're going to have plenty of listeners regardless.
	Many of my listeners do come in after the fact anyway.
	I just wanted to sort of, so you don't get completely disheartened by what I'm saying here.
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	No, that's no problem at all.
	I mean, if I was in your position, I would certainly be encouraging my listeners to go and watch the TV show.
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	And so that's the way the land lays.
	For now, for the sake of this discussion, I would like to ask again, as I did right before the break, whether or not Daniela wants to talk a little bit more about the nature of the quality of the beings she's listening to, and then perhaps her interpretation of whether you're getting information that is pertinent to now or what.
	I'm assuming the two of you might have the same point of view, but it might be nice for her to say something about this.
	Certainly.
	I mean, I understand as well that, of course, it's always good to hear it from the horse's mouth, because, I mean... And also because I think it's probably worth her giving a little bit of background on herself, because, you know, this hasn't sort of happened in a total vacuum for her.
	I mean, she's had a lifetime of psychic and supernatural experiences going back to when she was literally a baby in the cot, you know, flying out of her body and flying around the house.
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	Literally, you know.
	So, I mean, for her, it's been a lifetime of the Curious Bits, including channeling Ascended Masters.
	And so, I mean, really, it might sound to listeners at first that this event has happened, you know, in a vacuum, that just suddenly she was whisked back to, you know, the ancient world.
	But, you know, in all honesty, she's had, you know, years and years of bizarre things happening.
	So, I mean, just to sort of, she could introduce that herself, but I'll pass her on now.
	So, Hello Carrie, how are you?
	Hi there, how are you?
	Nice to meet you.
	Well, yeah, as Bruce said, I've had a lot of these, well, supernatural experiences since I was a child.
	Well, since I was a baby.
	So it's not something that was completely new to me.
	However, this particular group of sessions that has been happening here since the 1st of February was completely different to what I've ever had in the past.
	By profession, I work as a horse broker selling Frisian horses from Holland, but on the other hand, I've always had this ability to know things, see things, feel things.
	been working as a psychic, doing mediumship, doing channelings.
	So I wasn't completely unfamiliar with, you know, this type of event that has been occurring.
	But the way that these differ from everything else I've experienced was because they were completely involuntary.
	I had no knowledge of the Mayans or, you know, any of these 2012 predictions or anything like that.
	I knew a little bit, but I had never studied anything on the topic.
	I really wasn't that interested.
	I was basically interested on running my own, you know, horse brokerage business and going about my life when, you know, I feel that these events started to take place, you know, almost in a very rough and very harsh type of way almost in a very rough and very harsh type of way because, I mean, even from the first experience onwards was completely, completely scary and it was like literally being ripped
	Feeling yourself being dragged cell by cell through a wall and, you know, sort of waking up on the other side and not being able to return until you're unleashed to come back.
	Most of these experiences happen at night.
	Literally, I go to sleep and maybe even hours can go past and then suddenly, you know, I find myself there and then coming back or sort of Bruce, you know, Next to me sort of saying are you okay?
	Are you all right?
	And I can hear him like very distant, but you know I can't see him I can't feel him And he's the one that sort of pulls me back You know when he senses that there's danger, or I'm going into something that I shouldn't be in some instances I remember most of the stuff that has happened and Um, and in other instances, I don't.
	Um, and yeah, I mean, in the beginning, you know, it was quite harsh because I remember one morning, um, I'm literally waking up and having two black eyes.
	So, looking in the mirror and being horrified because I thought, oh my God, you know, if somebody sees me, they're going to think that, you know, Bruce was throwing me around the room or something, you know?
	So, I mean, the experiences, they, you know, they're very, very hard.
	I don't know if anyone else has ever had this kind of phenomenon, I guess, happen to them or how open or psychically developed you have to be.
	I guess you have to be quite strong mentally to be able to go through this and sort of, you know, Whatever information you get, it must be for a reason.
	I was not very happy at all about sort of being put into a book and, you know, having my name released and, you know, all this information coming out.
	So, I mean, it was something that I really wasn't asking for.
	I mean, from what I knew, Bruce was writing a book years and years ago when we first met back in 2004.
	And, you know, I thought, you know, he was just going to write a book on, you know, 2012, but it seemed that somehow the messages started coming out.
	And, well, we filled the second part of the book with this information.
	So it was something that was really not planned.
	It was not something I was sort of looking for.
	It happened on its own.
	It's still continuing.
	We've had many more experiences.
	there will probably be another book of information.
	And basically the important thing is that whatever information goes into the book is there as a message.
	There's no hidden agenda.
	It's all open.
	It's all transparent.
	And basically, you know, what is in the book, the information, the messages that are being given is to give people a choice to do things differently so that whatever changes come in the future are not taken in a harsh way They're not taken suddenly, you know, and catch people by surprise, but they're there to help, basically.
	And that's it.
	I mean, I'm just a messenger.
	So that's my participation in the book, really.
	Okay.
	When you were sort of listening to the groups that were talking to each other, right, and you were saying that they were going to, I guess, kind of have a war or some kind of altercation When you were watching it, were they aware of you?
	In other words, did you feel that it was real-time or did you feel you had gone back in time and were invisible to them?
	How did you feel you were perceived?
	No, I mean, I was physically there, but I looked at myself and I noticed that I wasn't me.
	I was somebody else.
	I was considerably taller.
	I was wearing a different type of dress than what we wear here, obviously.
	I was dressed like them.
	I was very tall.
	I had a different body type.
	Yeah, so I mean I saw myself as somebody else and it felt very real because I began looking at, you know, myself when I saw there were mirrors, you know, I looked at myself, I touched my body, I noticed that I had very very long hair and when I was present they saw me, I mean they interacted with me, introduced me into the group, then started to speak with me and then did a series of things which led me to believe that I was physically there
	They're living in that time.
	Okay.
	And did you feel that you were what one might call Nordic at that time?
	I would say more like a hybrid of mix between a Mayan and a Pleiadian.
	My hair was black, but I was very tall.
	So Nordic, no.
	All right.
	Okay, well, yeah, it kind of depends on your interpretation, but Nordic is kind of a catch-all in some ways.
	But at least it relates to a humanoid as opposed to, first, perhaps a gray, you know, kind of physicality.
	But, okay, well, that's, you know, very interesting.
	Now, in terms of the information itself, and I, you know, again, I haven't read your book, and I do apologize for that, and maybe we can sort of have you guys back after I've read it, so then I can really go into it with you, but if you were to look at the most recent, like, let's, right now, we're going up, we're kind of moving very close to the December 21st is coming very, very quickly and beyond.
	Are there specific incidents that you and your partner Bruce, either one of you, are welcome to answer the question.
	Could you sort of delineate out what they are saying that will be going on from their perspective anyway?
	Yeah, I'll leap back in for a moment.
	Certainly, I mean, I think the biggest show of all, which they are specifically talking about, is the actual poll shift.
	And I think, without a doubt, that to me stands out as the one that they're really kind of warning us about, which they state that from August the 14th of this year, There would be a kind of ramp up of strong activity earthquake wise which would have been an indicator and we predicted this in advance because we were given a specific date which people can show online if they like and of course on that day a 7.7 earthquake hit.
	So, I mean, it does parallel with reality that we were given.
	Again, we gave a prediction for this month, the 28th, and we expected that it could be a mixture of storm activity, maybe solar and also earthquake.
	And again, we had, of course, the big Canadian quake.
	We also had, you know, the Hurricane Sandy, which hit, and there was some minor solar activity.
	So, I mean, The event they've kind of told us is going to happen and the information that kind of comes through slightly to us that they are playing out in reality.
	So, you know, we are inclined to believe that this warning they're giving us about an actual pole shift is also genuine.
	I can't see what agenda they'd have just to sort of freak us out about saying that there's going to be one and then nothing happens after having shown us accurately these other Earth events.
	But so they are saying that there will be a shift of between 10 and 30 degrees of the crust of the planet.
	I've asked whether or not this was to do with a Planet X or Nibiru, because obviously that is often speculated as the causal factor for a pole shift, and I was told, and I should say this was in one of the three events where Daniela has acted as what I'd call a trance medium, where Pakal has actually spoken through it to me.
	This is happening on three occasions, and in these I've had the opportunity of course to ask direct questions.
	And, you know, he has specifically said, no, this is not caused by, you know, any external body.
	He never said there isn't any external body.
	I mean, it's not, I can't say there is no Planet X coming, but he says that this event is fully caused by Gaia, by the Earth Spirit itself, and that even the Pleiadians can't give the exact day.
	They say, you know, that they're not, you know, God essentially, or the Earth itself, but they can give us very close dating predictions to certain events.
	Okay, and then, so what are the very close predictions?
	Well, they are saying that for the main event we're looking at around February next year, for the actual, what we call the full shift of the crust.
	But precursor to that, this year, and we'd all actually say this is slightly overdue, that they are expecting Japan to have an incredible event, which will see at least part of Japan going under the sea.
	And I know that so many of you listeners will be familiar that there are other predictions from other sources saying that Japan will go under the sea, either in part or entirety.
	We have also been told that the California event should be happening pretty imminently.
	So, I mean, almost I would say, really, we expected it to be end of October, early November.
	But, you know, there is a degree, of course, of, you know, uncertainty with it again.
	So, I would not be at all surprised if in this month, We had at least one of the two events, a mega event with either California or with Japan.
	Japan, you know, is the one I think that, to me, always seems to feel stronger.
	I guess it just feels like there's this terrible, terrible thing building up for Japan.
	I think the energy of that has kind of played out a little bit with what we've seen with, of course, you know, Fukushima and the tsunami there and other events that have been going on with Japan.
	It does seem like it's a most cursed nation at the moment.
	Right.
	Are you aware that there has been... Are you in Canada, first of all?
	No, no, we're in, like, Ecuador.
	Oh, Ecuador.
	Okay.
	Well, at any rate, there was, you know, you were sort of saying there might be something in Canada, I believe, and there has been a 6.3 event tonight, I guess, in what they're calling the sub-abduction zone.
	So it just happened A little while ago, from what I understand, based on an email that was sent to me that relates information from Mitch Batros' website, and he's quite good at saying when things have happened.
	So I'm just saying that that particular thing is happening.
	You know, what's interesting to me, there was also, as you may know, I think it was a 7.7 that happened maybe a week ago in Vancouver area, and there was no real damage accompanying that particular event, which is interesting.
	And I do know that Mitchell Coombs, I don't know if you know who he is, has predicted a very specific event that is harp-induced that is supposed to happen in California tomorrow.
	Thursday.
	This is just according to this guy who reads Hart signatures and who has predicted accurately in the past.
	So there is something going on.
	There was just also a Guatemalan quake today, I believe.
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	Hi there, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we are talking to Bruce Fenton and Daniela.
	And all about their book, 2012 Rising, and we were just discussing earth changes that are happening now and leading up to 2012, December 21st, I guess.
	And at the moment, we just had, as I said, a Guatemalan quake.
	That was a 7.4, they're saying.
	That's just being reported now.
	So it is interesting.
	Anyway, I don't know whether, you know, on a certain level, in other words, we are having Earth changes, there's no doubt about it, and it's very likely there will be possibly a pulse shift and a magnetic pulse shift.
	We have also gotten that information from various whistleblowers.
	But I'm not so sure whether or not we are going to have the exact quakes that, you know, and changes sort of in the order and in the manner in which it's being described either by you and your sources or by, you know, others.
	For example, I think that there seems to be an intervening Sort of things that perhaps we can't put our finger on, but something seems to be intervening in various aspects of things.
	And maybe part of that is, I believe, human consciousness and how that impacts the possibility of certain events.
	Now, quakes that happen as a result of HAARP is another matter, because there you have, you know, human intervention and a very direct, intentional kind of thing happening.
	So, at any rate, what you are seeing and what you are talking about is something towards the end of November, it sounds like, if I got that right.
	And also, were you going to continue into December?
	Did you have some events in December that you were perhaps told about?
	Yes, certainly.
	Just quickly as well, following on from what you've just said, is that our sources also, you know, Pacal has also confirmed what you're saying, which is that some of these quakes, some of the big ones, are indeed, you know, manufactured.
	So surprisingly, you know, even these sources are saying the same thing.
	They said particularly the ones we see in Asia, These are using either heart or alien technologies.
	So there is that factor as well.
	This isn't all Gaia and the Earth Spirit, if you like, moving.
	It's also nefarious groups who have their own agenda.
	So it does indeed complicate the issue when you've got some quakes that are natural and some that are unnatural.
	Prediction-wise, I mean, yes, certainly we've The big hits we've had in the past so far were the Indonesian quakes, the 8.6 we predicted in advance.
	Again, that was one that wasn't harmful.
	And as you pointed out recently, most of the big ones actually haven't been that devastating.
	They've hit areas where, for one reason or another, they haven't really done a lot.
	Even the 8.6 didn't lead to any loss of lives.
	It's only really seemed to change today with the 7.5 in Guatemala, which unfortunately has caused some level of devastation and loss of life.
	So it may well be that this is, you know, if you like, an unpleasant changing point in what's been happening, that the others in some way have been a warning.
	The next date, though, that we get, though, is the 17th of November is really leaping out at us particularly strongly.
	We would expect something in the level of a, you know, a 7 plus, you know, that day or day over side.
	Possibly you might see, I mean, sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between an energetic event in terms of, say, a massive tornado or a quake or a huge solar storm.
	So we tend to go for the earthquakes.
	It usually feels more earth-based, but on occasion those dates have flagged up for us, and then it's being one of those other two.
	So we do remain open to the fact that when we pick up an energetic event, it's not always, you know, a strong earthquake.
	It can be another strong event.
	But obviously we don't need that too vague, because we like to make it things that people can say, well, yeah, that's a hit, you know, rather than just saying something, you know, something will happen, you know, which is too vague.
	So yeah, towards the end of November, we're expecting an event right at the end of the month or the very beginning of December.
	Again, I'd repeat that we sort of feel that Japan and California could really hit at any time now.
	It may even be that that is the 17th of November event, because these are feeling overdue to us.
	and if you're, of course you're familiar to you with Edgar Cayce, and of course he also foresaw the Japan event, and there's been a number of near-death experience, so people that have also seen the Japan event, so I mean, we are rock-solid sure that something terrible is going to happen to Japan before the end of this year, so I would sort of, you know, put that, I know that, you know, of course we could be wrong in some way, but I'm very, very sure that something terrible is coming to Japan.
	Then going into next year, you know, from December 21st, of course, the end of the calendar, again, I would expect events around that date.
	The 17th of December, as Danis was pointing out, is another date that we've got sort of flagged up for another radical event.
	um, the 21st is so much, but of course, and as you mentioned consciousness and with so many people focusing on the 21st December, I mean, some events on that date may be, you know, manifestations of expectations of people's consciousness.
	So, I mean, I wouldn't like to give a particular, you know, prediction of that day because I think, I mean, with so many people focusing different things on one date, there's going to be a pretty chaotic day in one way or another anyway.
	But we actually have been told the poll shift will not be on that date, and I know that there's other researchers that are very fixed that it will be Around then, but we're actually getting told that it's more like February, but there's going to be more extreme events building up through the end of this year.
	However, the really bad slip of the Earth's crust comes in February next year.
	And that will continue through March and obviously ongoing events into 2013.
	I found it very interesting actually listening to your show with the remote viewing which showed that there was still incredible events going on at least in June of 2013 according to the expert remote viewers.
	And obviously that does tally with what we're sort of being given that February, March is when the big show kind of happens because of course with an event of that magnitude you would expect some ongoing things you know for a good two, three, four you know possibly longer months into 2013 so By no means should we look at it as that, you know, as soon as we have this event that everything settles down and it's the golden age, you know.
	I think that we have to sort of be realistic and say that with something as radical as an axial pole shift and, you know, of course with magnetic pole shift and other events which, you know, I talk about in the book such as this incoming galactic superwave and the three days of darkness, we talk about an event with the sun.
	So, I mean, really we're looking at, I mean, Should add as well, December, we see late December as being the most likely target for what has been called the three days of darkness event.
	Again, that could slip into next year, but at the moment I'm expecting that to be late December.
	So, I mean, there's some really radical events.
	The incoming super wave, you know, which could cause an EMP pulse and knock out our power and also destabilize solar activity.
	So that's also looking at for the late part of this year, early part of next year.
	And as we get closer, you know, each month we kind of predict ahead of month because, of course, I mean, you can probably appreciate others out there that the further you go ahead, the less accuracy.
	So we tend to try to do a month at a time in terms of dates wise and more specific events.
	But we do know that for February next year, March next year is when we put in that full on 10 to 30 degree slip of the crust.
	and then beyond that, events as it begins to settle down, because initially you will have areas rising and falling to make a new equator, basically, for the planet.
	We have released a map of that.
	It's on the website, 2012rising.com.
	If people scroll through, they'll find the pole shift map that we were shown.
	That's on there.
	It's similar to other pole shift maps, but not the same.
	And I would go back to what you said about that things are changed by human consciousness.
	And I know that I've compared our map to the I Am America map, and also to the Scallion map.
	And there are some, you know, really obvious similarities, but yet some quite drastic differences.
	And my feeling on that is that simply that events, you know, change because of our consciousness.
	So over the years since, you know, each map The next vision that's given to someone is slightly different, because Earth is responding in some way to our changes in consciousness.
	So there is always a bit of flux in these, so there's only some events which we call fixed, and then there's others which are, you know, really being changed by all of us.
	Okay, yes.
	One thing I'm noticing about your particular map is that it's dated 2015.
	So, one would think that some of these changes are going to happen after 2013.
	And just to clarify that the remote viewers, you know, the live stream I did, what they had seen happens before June of 2013.
	So, everything that they had seen will happen before June of 2013, so that by June of 2013 it's all different.
	In other words, it's in June of 2013 that all of the evidence, that just happens to be where they targeted to look, so the thing had already happened by then.
	Right, okay, that makes more sense then, yeah.
	So, I mean, it may well be then that those events possibly did happen in March or, you know, even December this year or early next year then.
	Right.
	Well, it is interesting, you know, to think about it in these terms.
	Again, it also can be very misleading.
	I'm just curious because this map is pretty drastic if I look at the map that you've got here, and I believe Gordon Michael Scallion's map was found to be extremely off.
	Quite a while ago, so that doesn't really factor in.
	I think what you've got is the brown is what's remaining, if that's correct.
	That's actually a lot more drastic than what I had seen in other versions.
	Mm-hmm.
	I mean, this was, yeah, this was the map that was presented to Daniela by Pacal in one of her experiences.
	She's also seen him using what seems to be a kind of a technological device which depicts our globe in a holographic form and sort of, you know, showing her these changes.
	But yeah, it is radical and some of the events, as you know, the map is not dated as 2013.
	2013, he's going to be in 2015, because as the Earth sort of settles back in a new equator, there are still ongoing shifts.
	It's not an event which, you know, everything happens and settles down to where it should be sort of instantaneously.
	As magma moves around in the crust and, you know, a new sort of center of gravity forms and the new equator forms, there will be ongoing shifts sort of, you know, up and down in different areas.
	So that's why they sort of presented us with a map that's a bit later on, because I think that gives us a more of an idea of how the world will be long term beyond these events.
	Whereas if it showed us one for early 2013 that might be quite different because some of these events won't happen straight away.
	I mean we're talking about as you can see quite radical shifts in height in certain areas where you know The return of entire continents, essentially.
	The return of Atlantis, Lemuria, these are the places that have gone under the sea, rising back up.
	And of course that in itself is displacing water.
	And then you've got areas that are going down due to the fact that they've moved away from the equator.
	So you've got a mixed effect of land going up and down and the various displacements of water in certain areas.
	So it's a fairly complex picture, but it's certainly, yeah, I mean, it's extremely radical.
	You know, when I look at that map, you know, and I recognize that, of course, we always have to say that there's a caveat that, you know, I don't know 100% that that map is definitely, you know, what's going to happen.
	But when I look at it, you know, I see essentially pretty much everyone I know being underwater, you know, because, you know, I'm from England and, you know, people I know mostly either in Western Europe or the U.S.
	Sure.
	Those areas are gone.
	So, I mean, it's a horrific map.
	So I certainly hope that it would not get to that extreme order.
	If it does, that we've had a warning where people can get out of those areas.
	Because, I mean, that's because most people-- Well, yeah.
	I mean, the size of the United States, I mean, come on.
	This is extremely drastic.
	I just have to beg to differ with this map.
	Because I have had visions of the future, I have to say that this is not what I have seen for what it's worth.
	I do understand that this is what you're getting.
	We're all here, we're just sort of participating in this grand experiment and some of this will possibly even happen even in other versions of reality and so on.
	So um there's you know there's always a scope for you know things to change as well of course you know as you said the consciousness aspect is important you know we do I certainly believe that we manifest our reality from our consciousness level so I mean um I believe if everyone you know really did shift up a level in consciousness that probably you know none of these events would need to happen at all and that you know it's
	Really, it's, you know, mankind's folly and devastation of this planet that is bringing about most of the unpleasant things, you know.
	So, of course, there's always that aspect that, you know... Right, okay.
	We're going to have another break.
	Thanks so much.
	We'll be right back with Bruce and Daniela.
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	And just to let everyone know, another update about the TV show.
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	Back to Bruce and Daniela, and we were just talking about the Earth Change Map that they've got posted on their site, and a possible false shift that may result in something or some facsimile thereof, and talking about different things.
	I for one have seen a very different map and I can say that I do get lots of dreams of the future.
	Recently, my most recent thing that did come true is that Obama has won the election as I saw and the next thing that I've seen is that he will step down, which may sound very strange, but that's what I saw.
	I don't know.
	Under these circumstances, they don't know how that's going to take place, but that's what I've seen.
	Other things have been shown to me in the future.
	I can't explain.
	I mean, you know, it's really interesting how many different perspectives there are on all of this.
	And of course, having E.T.' 's is a whole other ballgame.
	But I can say that your information is very, very interesting.
	Clearly, you know, you're reporting it as you see it now, as you understand it.
	And everyone's experience now, to some degree may be different.
	I don't know if they're going to be Someone is just sending me a link, just FYI, for what appears to be a free stream on the internet, I guess, from what I can tell, of the show, of our TV show.
	Just FYI.
	But at any rate, I don't know, you know, how do you classify, again, looking at the United States in that way, I assume that you're in Ecuador because you believe that particular area you're in is a safe area, right?
	Yeah, that's fairly fair to say.
	I mean, we were originally we came here for the fact that Daniela's family, you know, she has family here.
	But we have been told that, yes, this is a safe area.
	And that's why we've remained here, because, I mean, one of the most obvious things, I suppose, is that much of Ecuador, particularly where we are, is extremely high up.
	And one thing I know that not just ourselves, but many other psychics have seen in visions, and whether that's connected to events we see or not, is huge tsunamis of around 500 metres in the near future.
	Now, whether those are from comet impacts, as I know that in the remote viewing study, they did note some impacts, or whether those are from the pole shift.
	You know, I can't be specific, but I know that a wide range of people have told me that they've had dreams and visions of these huge tsunamis in our near future.
	A wide range of people have told me that they've had dreams and visions of these huge tsunamis in our near future.
	So being at, you know, the heights we're here at, we are obviously safe from those events.
	So being at, you know, the heights we're here at, we are obviously safe from those events.
	But, of course, that doesn't mean that, you know, we'd be safe from earthquakes and whatnot.
	But, of course, that doesn't mean that, you know, we'd be safe from earthquakes and whatnot.
	So, I mean, we are aware that, you know, in a big earth change event, you know, no one can say, you know, I'm absolutely safe where I am.
	But, yeah, we have been told that this is a relatively safe zone as long as we were prepared as best as we could be for sort of earthquake events and solar events and whatnot.
	I mean, to some degree, I think that no one will be unchanged by something like a rebirth of the sun or, you know, extra suns or three days of darkness or mega quakes.
	You know, when you start putting all these into being predicted by not just us, but others within the next 12 months, you know, I think we'd be naive to say that we felt totally, you know, out of harm's way.
	But yeah, we do feel that this is a safer zone.
	Okay, now in terms of, I guess, because it is interesting that your, at least that map, shows it all being established very soon, in relative time.
	That is between now and 2015, as they say.
	And those are very drastic changes to happen in a relatively short period of time.
	I had heard that some of this was going to go on until 2019, actually.
	And so I don't know, are you seeing anything specific to, for example, the 21st of December?
	Because that seemed to be a very big bell ringer, at least in the Mayan culture.
	And actually, you know, I can say that I was in, well, I went to Belize recently and in Guatemala at I forget the name of the ruins there, but apparently they had discovered another place where 2012 specifically, and I believe the 21st, was talked about in a kind of codex or Mayan calendar or codex.
	Were you aware of that?
	I do talk about some of the prophecies, the specific prophecies for the 21st of December in the book.
	So, yeah, I'm aware that there are some, you know, actual Mayan predictions for that, you know, the end of the backturn cycle, and that those, again, they do support the idea of a pole shift event and a solar event.
	I mean, I unfortunately put out all the time now to read them all out, but the prophecies do talk about, you know, a darkening of the face of the sun, a tumultuous event which will, you know, Of course, mountains to fall down, you know, and valleys to go up, events where there will be extreme lack of food and water, the coming of something called blood vomit, which sounds awfully like some kind of virus.
	It talks about, you know, alien visitation, you know, the return of these gods, that wherever they land there'll be gifts for people and good lands to live on.
	Um, you know, it is fairly clear from the way they describe that they're not humans.
	I mean, they talk about the prophet talking about himself being carried up in a chalice of fire and being carried over the ocean, um, when these events are going on, which, you know, of course sounds very much like an alien craft.
	I mean, there's nothing we can ascribe to the historical, accepted historical Maya culture that we call, you know, a flying chalice of fire.
	So, I mean, in these written prophecies, which Mostly they're coming from, the ones that I quote mostly are from either the most well-known is the Monument 6 Tortuguero prophecy, but also the Chalam Balamb books for people that want to sort of check those themselves, and there's prophecies there for the end of the back turn as well.
	Those are the ones which are more radical and they're talking about what certainly sounds like a pole shift and also an event where the sun will be darkened, and this again links in with our
	Supposition that the three days of darkness which I'm sure you know many of your listeners have heard about certainly lately seems to being a hot topic that that will most likely be in the late part of December I mean you know I can't promise them that but that's what it's alluded to in the prophecies and that is our feeling also and what we've been given by our sources so yes I mean we and on another side to that I mean back in
	In 2009-10, I think it was, I just went to the 2012 conference in Canterbury and we carried out a remote viewing experiment there with a chap, I've forgotten his name, but he's one of the guys from the CIA remote viewing program who does the circuit now, you know, obviously doing talks.
	And he led a remote viewing of the 21st of December.
	And quite a number of the audience agreed that what they saw was a kind of darkening of the sky, but it seemed to be kind of in the air dust or something that had been thrown up, and that there were meteorites or UFOs, some kind of lights flying about,
	that there was a sense that people had moved from city areas to that there was a sense that people had moved from city areas to the countryside, that something radical had happened, had already happened, and that there was also visions amongst people of extra sons, which again relates back to the prophecy of the free sons, which the Maya have, There were, you know, a lot of people seeing new babies born, as though, you know, that represented a new age, or really people were having to have more babies because maybe something had happened, you know, that had killed off a population.
	But so it does tie in.
	So, I mean, again, you know, this is an experiment we had, which was specific to the 21st of December, and it does tie in with what the Maya tell us, that there will be some kind of tumultuous event which would have darkened the skies.
	So though I can't be absolutely sure on what that event is, yes, I mean, my suspicion is we will see something happen between now and then, which is going to, at the very least, throw up a lot of dust into the air and darken our skies for some period.
	And whether that's three days or, you know, longer, I mean, again, would be speculation.
	But, yeah, I'm fairly convinced that we can expect something pretty radical, you know, Around that 21st December.
	I mean I would like to say we're definitely on that day because you know of course the Maya may have been targeting a date range you know but they obviously there had to be a day when that system crunches over but it may be indicating you know a central point of an event range so it may be a few days either side of the 21st.
	But yeah that would be the event that I'm looking at is the one in relation to a darkening of the sun and some kind Okay, we are at the end of the program and thank you very much Bruce and Daniela.
	I'm sorry that we had the competition going here with the TV show and you know I'd like to have you on in the future where we could kind of not have that kind of interference for you guys but I think you got a lot of information out there regardless so we will be posting this on our archives and encouraging people to watch so Please stay in touch and thank you so much.
	Please give your website out real quick.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	So people can go to www.2012rising.com and I hope to speak again but we thank you very much for having us on.
	It was really enjoyable.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you so much.
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