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06/06/2012 - John De Herrera - advocating for the convention clause of Article V since 2001

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door
	Stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	Strange shade of stump, deep cat eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Just when I'm alone I can't help this life I'll do it when I'm alone Project Camelot, the full radio He's a jack Hopefully you can all hear me How are you doing tonight?
	Tonight is the Venus transit and well I don't know about you but I am definitely feeling something So I woke up extremely spaced out So I've just been trying to make it back to earth for most of the day.
	Had a little help from Stu Webb earlier this morning because he came on my live stream.
	And for those of you who didn't hear that show, that was on live stream, Project Camelot live streams, live stream and our channel.
	And it's also now being uploaded as we speak to YouTube.
	So you can get it there.
	In fact, Looking at it, it's about 95%.
	So they've got about a minute to go, it appears.
	So hopefully that will happen.
	And get getting uploaded, as I say, to our YouTube channel.
	So it's when I upload it to YouTube, I take off the you know, the beginning where there's sort of Oh, God, stalling because I'm trying to get things to work and so on and so forth.
	So it kind of is a little more fun to listen to.
	And other than that, it's pretty much verbatim.
	No changes.
	I do add a bit of information at the back, asking for donations if you enjoy this sort of thing.
	It was a free event.
	We're going to have to start charging for events as they go forward, simply because we're running out of money over here.
	And we do have a subscriber, new subscriber thing going on at Project Camelot.
	So if you want to subscribe and show your support for our work, it would be extremely welcome.
	And that would allow me to pay Tommy for one thing, poor guy.
	So he's basically kind of starving to death and so he doesn't have to go out and get another job.
	I would really appreciate it if some money would come in.
	In that regard.
	OK, so I have a very interesting guest tonight.
	His name is John D. Herrera.
	And I'm not sure if we were able to get him on the line.
	John, are you there?
	Yeah.
	Can you hear me?
	Oh, I can hear you just fine.
	That's that's great.
	I'm glad that we were able to reach you.
	And is is this going to be an OK connection for you?
	Yeah, this is a good connection.
	Now, if per chance my my phone drops off, I just call back to 255-5560.
	Is that right?
	Well, I think it's better if you don't say their number over the air, from what I understand.
	But whatever your arrangement is with American Freedom Radio, usually they call you.
	That's my understanding.
	So if you drop off, they're going to have to call you back.
	That's what they do over there.
	Right, Dan just called me on this number.
	If you drop off, he's going to have to call you again.
	So that's just how it works.
	If you want us to have another phone number, you would have to either email or text it to me or send it to my Skype.
	I don't know if you have a Skype account, but that would also be a good way to do it.
	Okay, my phone's all charged up and we should be fine, should be fine.
	All right, well glad to hear it.
	So what I want to do here is just make a few more announcements and then we'll jump right into Article 5 and the things that you cover.
	And so thank you for being patient with all of this.
	So as I was saying, To everyone, we actually have, like I said, a Stu Webb livestream that happened this morning.
	During that conversation, we were talking about the Kimball Castle event that comes up for the Illuminati.
	I actually forget which state Kimball Castle is in, but it's out there.
	We've got some links for you.
	And Stu Webb has been covering this event.
	It is an Illuminati ritual A place where they supposedly sacrifice children, et cetera, et cetera.
	Um, I suppose that he's also trying to get people down there to do some filming.
	So it's, it's even possible that they'll move their event for this year.
	Uh, supposedly the Bushes are quite involved, et cetera, et cetera.
	Um, let's see what else, uh, I do have two new.
	Groundbreaking interviews and that's also mentioned on my blog if you haven't been there you can see that the write-up I am at editing them as we speak was interrupted today because I wanted to get this thing with Stu Webb onto YouTube right away and it is uploading as we speak and That that just gives it a higher distribution rate because we have a huge YouTube channel as you can appreciate
	But basically, I spoke to Joanne Richards, who is the wife of Mark Richards, who is a member of the U.S.
	Space Command, who is currently serving around 30 years to life.
	In California prison, he's been framed for a murder he did not commit and she is a very interesting person and I think that you can get really a very strong vibe off of her from this interview that you maybe haven't gotten in the past from other things that have been released simply because this is an opportunity to see her face to face on video and have her respond to my questions.
	As you can appreciate, my questions are never sort of that easy.
	And I kind of gave her a run for her money.
	And she was very good natured and an excellent guest.
	And we're also going to try to get Mark Richards to communicate with us via live stream from prison.
	Not sure how that's going to all pan out, but I've made the offer and she's definitely going to try to make that happen.
	So stay tuned for that.
	He was involved in the Dulcey battle.
	For those of you who don't know anything about Mark Richards, he comes from a family of officers who have served in the secret government and also worked apparently with Tesla in the past.
	Something that I hadn't known as much as I knew a lot of the details about other things with regard to Mark Richards.
	So I've been following this story since long before Camelot, so that's a very hot interview and I hope to have it out well now by tomorrow sometime.
	The next thing is with Jim Traficant, who's an ex-Congressman from Ohio, who was framed as well and sent to prison for eight years for crimes he did not commit.
	And he, uh, in some ways he stole the show at the recent event where I was speaking, uh, which, which was in San Jose, um, Conspiracy Con is what it was called.
	And I, I did, um, a speaking event there, which went over very, very well.
	Uh, and we also did a panel discussion.
	So I had a chance to take Jim Tropicant, this ex-Congressman, aside and actually get him to put on sort of camera some of the testimony that he did live for for the crowd out there.
	And he's a very charismatic individual, as well as somebody who has sacrificed a great deal on behalf of getting the truth out.
	And so I consider him an honorary white hat.
	And I think we're going to be hearing more from him in the future.
	In fact, I'm going to give him as much of a platform as possible simply because I believe he's one of those people who is not afraid at all to get out and speak the truth and he puts himself on the line to do so.
	And then I just wanted to draw your attention to this very interesting post and there's a couple articles in fact there's another article that I didn't get a chance to link on to the information about the Pentagon sharing old telescopes with the, I called it a church mouse, but it's actually NASA.
	Poor pathetic NASA that supposedly needs telescopes of the quality of Hubble because they supposedly took down Hubble and now they need some more telescopes.
	And we can appreciate how this is complete nonsense.
	And what they're saying is that They were handed down these old telescopes and one of them is going to be now redirected out towards, well, Planet X, to tell you the truth.
	And this is the kind of thing where they set the stage so that they can suddenly come forward, NASA can, and say that they've never heard anything, haven't been able to see it until now because the Pentagon was so gracious as to give them telescopes.
	So, this whole thing is just, I mean, what they think they can play on the public is just so amazing and how pathetic.
	NASA is a front for the Secret Space Program.
	They expect you to believe this nonsense and believe it or not, plenty of people out there do believe this stuff.
	Now we can get down to my guest, John D. Herrera, who's been very patient.
	And John, why don't you give yourself your own introduction?
	You are a proponent of what is called Article 5, an effort to get sort of a convention organized around sort of rewriting, I guess, to some degree, the Constitution, or at least Thanks, Kerry, and thanks for having me on.
	I see this as an opportunity to get a message across.
	So go right ahead.
	Thanks, Carrie, and thanks for having me on.
	And, you know, I see this just as an opportunity to get a message across.
	It's, you know, if I do talk about myself and, you know, things that I did, I'm not trying to talk about myself.
	I just happen to be part of a little bit of this history of this issue of Article 5 just because of things that I've done over the last 10 years, you know, involving, you know, getting a federal lawsuit to the Supreme Court about this issue and, you know, getting a federal lawsuit to the Supreme Court about this issue and, you know, being in touch with other folks that are So, okay.
	Okay, so the highest law in this country is the Constitution.
	And a lot of people today yawn when you hear that word.
	And I would say that's exactly how the powers that be like it.
	You know, they want people not to really scrutinize what is in our high law.
	And when those guys drafted it, Um, you know, they might have been slave owners and all that, but not all of them trusted each other.
	In fact, a few of them wanted to shoot each other.
	So when they drafted this document, they knew what history had taught them, and they knew about the human condition.
	And so they knew that what they were writing, and they said this, pretty much all the framers and the founders said that what they were drafting, the Constitution, they knew was not perfect.
	And they knew that revisions would need to be made at some point in the future.
	So the Constitution is made up of seven articles and 27 amendments.
	The articles are the structural law of the Constitution, the objective part, the part you don't really get to debate.
	And the 27 amendments are the civil law.
	And that stuff you can debate forever.
	You know, should an 18-year-old be able to vote, you can debate that kind of stuff.
	But the structural law, you know, there shall be a Congress, there shall be an executive, there shall be a court.
	now that stuff if you want to pay you guys start talking about proposing an amendment to change any part of the seven articles uh... the one of the basically basically there's a lot of rights that are uh...
	articulated in the constitution but our ultimate right as americans is the right to alter and abolish And that's actually what makes Americans Americans, is that our government is for the people, and anytime we don't like what the government's doing, we can scrap it and do something else.
	Now, in terms of Practical politics and political science, you're not going to find a lot of people that want to get rid of the Constitution.
	And that's a good thing because it really was a unique document in the history of humanity and the protections that it put down for people.
	So the ultimate right is alternate abolishment.
	And that right is embodied in Article 5.
	And if you read Article 5, it's a single sentence.
	It's somewhat detailed.
	It can be a little bit confusing if you try and read it, but to paraphrase what it says, it says, if we ever do want to put an amendment on this Constitution, the Congress can propose an amendment, or if the states ever apply for a convention, Congress shall call a convention.
	And then at that convention, the delegates from the states can propose amendments.
	Now, whether Congress proposes amendments or a convention of delegates proposes amendments, you still need the three-quarter approval.
	You need three-quarters of the states to approve of any of those amendments before they become part of the Constitution.
	And the reason the framers put that three-quarter principle in the Constitution They were very shrewd, and again, they had a lot of common sense.
	Whatever the idea is being proposed, whether it's a conservative idea or a liberal idea, you're going to have to get all of one side signed on, plus at least half the other, or it's going nowhere.
	So that convention clause has been sitting there the whole time.
	And as it turns out, the powers that be have been doing everything within their power for over a hundred years now to prevent the convention.
	Because they don't want the people coming together to find out their common ground.
	I mean, that's basically, however you want to articulate the powers that be.
	You know, we can all walk up and down the halls of conspiracy theory for hours.
	However you want to articulate them.
	Okay, let me just interrupt you here a bit, John, because I'd like you to back up a bit and get down to a little more specifics about why Article 5, doing an Article 5 convention, would basically be a way to take back our power, which I assume is the objective, right?
	Oh yeah, yeah, sure.
	Um, okay, I'm trying, but I still haven't hit my stride here at all.
	I'm still kind of, uh, okay.
	I'm sorry for that.
	That's not your fault.
	It's my fault.
	Okay.
	So, but I'm getting it now.
	Okay.
	Now I'm starting to get a train of thought.
	Um, uh, okay.
	Um, so let's imagine that tomorrow that we finally got enough people to say, Hey, we want a convention.
	Uh, members of Congress, you guys aren't working for us anymore.
	You're bought and sold by the big corporate interests.
	You're doing all kinds of stuff against the interests of the people.
	We want to have a convention so that we can... Okay, now that you're getting your stride, we're about to go to commercials, so you get a little more time to catch your breath.
	And we'll be right back with John D. Herrera.
	Thank you.
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	And we should be back with John DeHarrera.
	And, John, you were just about to answer a very direct question about how we can take back our power, you know, by establishing this convention based on Article 5 of the Constitution.
	But I think you are going to give us also a bit more background.
	So go right ahead.
	Yes.
	Thanks, Kerry.
	Well, you know, in my preparation for this, I knew a little bit about you, and I knew a little bit about Project Camelot.
	Not a whole bunch, but I watched a couple of the videos that were on your website, and the one that I watched, and I actually listened to it three times.
	It was the one with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	I guess it was in Barcelona, where you guys interviewed him.
	Um, correct me if I'm wrong, was that in 2009 or was that more recent?
	Uh, yeah, I actually don't remember which year it was, but I'm sure it says so on the video.
	It's probably 2009 or thereabouts.
	It was at the ExoPolitics in Barcelona.
	And how does that relate?
	How does that relate to explaining?
	Yeah, here's how I was going to tie it in.
	So, uh, the discussion you had with Dr. Greer, and for anyone who doesn't know, Dr. Greer was one of the folks for Disclosure.
	He got together a big press conference right before 9-11.
	It was a few months before 9-11.
	And he had a whole bunch of military professionals testifying that they had seen things or they had come across things that to them were clearly off-world.
	And you guys had a discussion, and the discussion that I picked up, the crux of it was, okay, it wasn't, are there or are there not off-world entities operating in the world today?
	The question was, are they good or are they bad?
	And should we be cautious about that?
	At one point in your conversation, and I really locked onto this, is that you guys were in agreement that, you know, Really, what you both are doing is you're trying to raise awareness, you're trying to raise consciousness, and trying to make this passage into this next era more comfortable, and that you're working for the betterment of humanity.
	And so where the Convention Clause comes in... Oh, actually, real quick, Dr. Greer, at one point he mentioned, he said,
	If they are bad, you know, if there are malevolent forces operating here on planet Earth right now, that maybe somehow it's because we haven't, as humanity has not gotten over some things that we need to get over before we are accorded the
	The respect, I guess, of a larger community in the cosmos.
	Now whether or not that's true, I don't know because I've never seen UFO and I've never seen an alien to my knowledge.
	I appreciate that you're going down this line and I'm afraid that you're kind of getting on shaky ground already because we have big disagreements with Dr. Greer and that is not the content that we're going to explore here.
	If we start going down that road we're going to get way off the topic.
	So what I'd like to do is focus back on exactly what the Article 5 says and how putting together a constitutional I don't know whether this would be a federal convention that would be held on a state-by-state basis or whether this would be one event that would therefore be attended by all Americans.
	But we're really not on a planetary level when we're talking about the U.S.
	Constitution.
	Article 5, we're talking about the United States.
	So we need to focus a little here.
	I would make a critical distinction there.
	Because whether or not they're off-world entities, you know, you've used the phrase, so above, so below, and I think it's very clear that Maxim has a lot of veracity to it.
	It's very truthful.
	And so all laws, whether it's a cosmic law or a planetary law, laws are instituted to prevent harm.
	And the Constitution is unique on this planet because it was a law to prevent governments from becoming a tyranny against people.
	And that's where this Article 5 Convention comes in, because the framers put that convention in the Constitution knowing that at some point, some interests would try and take over the enterprise and enslave everyone below them.
	And now that's very clear to anyone, whether you believe in EPs or not.
	Most Americans are very clear of the fact that our government is out of control.
	We have a runaway government.
	It's doing things against our interests.
	If you want to talk conspiracy stuff, you know, you can talk about the New World Order.
	You can talk about internment camps and all this stuff.
	And perhaps maybe the other shoe is just getting ready to drop.
	And, uh, you know, we're at this, this, it's like a big, it's like a thriller, you know, a Hollywood thriller.
	Are we going to get out of this or not?
	And so the convention, what, basically what is allowing for the enslavement of Americans and in turn, the globe, because at this point in the globe's, uh, the planet's history, America is the premier nation.
	And if you changed America, you would of course change the course of human civilization.
	So, The thing that is allowing for this enslavement and this institutionalized corruption and one bad news story after another, Americans are just hit with it left and right for the last ten years, what allows for that we call politics as usual.
	That's because no one in the mainstream media stands up and says, hey, we'll stop, we need to go back, we need to examine this issue here, and we need to figure this out before we can move forward.
	So what happens, and everyone knows this, I'm not saying anything new, any new information, is this mainstream narrative just keeps plodding on, day in and day out, and most Americans are going, wait a minute, hey, we got some, like, in the chat room here, they were talking about the electronic voting machines.
	Now that's been a big issue of mine, and probably the main issue of why I've been advocating for a convention is because if you don't have transparent elections, You don't have a free society, and right now it's estimated 80% of the country votes on these proprietary voting machines.
	So we don't even know who we're voting for anymore.
	And what it's allowing for that, again, is politics as usual.
	Now what a convention does, a convention stops politics as usual dead in its tracks.
	I'll tell you how that happens.
	Let's say that tomorrow, let's say we got a tipping point majority of Americans, we don't need all 300-plus million Americans saying, hey, we want a convention.
	You just need a tipping point.
	This has been proven out in social science and political science.
	Okay, let me stop you right there and find out what is a tipping point, because this is pretty crucial.
	How do you even get such a convention going?
	Are you talking, again, on a state-by-state basis?
	Are you talking about one convention that's attended by all the different states?
	And how do you choose delegates, etc., etc.?
	I have answers to all those.
	And I'll roll right into them.
	Let's say we got a tipping point, and I think it's based on the number pi, 3.14, something I've read a few things, but generally my understanding is it's roughly 10 to 15% of the population.
	So if we got, you know, 30 million Americans cognizant of what a convention is, why it's part of our Constitution, and desiring it, the powers that be will issue the call.
	Now, I'll leave that there for right now, but let's say they issue the call for a convention tomorrow.
	What happens then is that you now have to hold elections for delegates to this convention.
	The reason you have to hold elections for delegates is because The Supreme Court and the Constitution, the 14th Amendment, have already stated clearly that every political class has equal protection under the law.
	And what that means is that if a member of Congress or someone who is running to become a member of Congress, if they have to suffer an election, so too do the delegates to a convention.
	So it's got to be equal across the board.
	And the standards for delegates are going to be the same standards for members of Congress, And so, and right on down the line.
	Now, do you think the powers that be want to see all of America, in each and every state, going through this special election talking about what is a good idea for an amendment to the Constitution?
	Before we get there, I'm still back at electing the delegates.
	And also, what you say is somebody has to issue a call for a convention.
	Who exactly issues a call legally?
	Congress has to.
	Congress.
	So now we're, before we can elect delegates, we're talking about Congress getting together.
	These kind of, sorry, but these yahoos in Congress who aren't doing a damn thing right now to prevent anything, suddenly they're going to get together and ask for a convention.
	Is this what you're saying?
	Yes.
	And to clarify that position, Anyone who knows a little bit of history about the country knows that there have been a lot of things that have happened that have just been glossed over by the government.
	For instance, one of them is the original 13th Amendment.
	You can type original 13th Amendment into the Constitution, you can find a whole bunch of websites for it.
	But this is documented by scholars, and it's a fact, is that the original 13th Amendment was, to paraphrase it, said if you're a lawyer, You can't be a member of Congress.
	Boom.
	And that was ratified.
	But then the War of 1812, the British came in, burned down our archives and the powers that be, then did everything they could to stamp out and erase this idea of an amendment saying if you want to be part of the legislative body of America, you can't be a lawyer.
	Seems like a really great idea to me.
	And a lot of other people.
	Does anyone today, does anyone today, any politician or any mainstream media person say, hey, let's talk about this original 13th Amendment?
	No, they don't.
	And the reason they don't, and the reason they don't talk about the incorporation of the country after the Civil War, and they don't talk about the fact that martial law was never lifted when Lincoln imposed martial law at the Civil War, the reason these things are never discussed Is because if the powers that be discussed them, they would suddenly have a nation of gun owners going, what?
	What are you talking about?
	And they would have some animosity there that they've never had to deal with before.
	So the reason we're in the position we're in is through deceit and surreptitious, you know, putting out just the information just to keep this thing going.
	Yeah, and I appreciate that, but let me just say, I'm not sure why you're pointing to the 13th Amendment.
	I think other people who are sort of constitutionalists or whatever they are, they call themselves, My understanding is it outlaws slavery and involuntarily, Terry, servitude.
	And so why would you even bring that up as something worth discussing?
	It's not like we suddenly think slavery is a good idea.
	No, well, I think the reason I brought it up, Terry, is just to underline the point that
	Some of the things that have taken, that have taken place in our history, that are not discussed now, they're not discussed in the universities, they're not discussed in the textbooks, but yet are facts of reality of our history, they don't talk about certain things, because if they did that, it would break the gaze of, you know, we the people, believing this construct, that we're currently enslaved, that, oh, hey, maybe this time
	The 113th Congress, this new Congress, this is going to be the one.
	This is the one that's going to do it for us.
	No more nonsense.
	Or this new administration, this is going to be the one.
	And so we're trapped in this narrative, this cycle of politics as usual, and this new election, now finally we're going to get out of it.
	But if you look at the history of America, you realize that we've been going through this the whole time.
	We've been going through this for over 100 years.
	So the reason I brought it up is that if the powers that be could say, hey, look, we own this place, we've owned this place for a long time, and we're going to tell you now, and we're going to tell you to take the Constitution and shove it.
	We don't want to hear any more talk about it.
	We don't want to hear any more occupied people down there saying they want their rights, or we don't want any Tea Party folks talking about their rights.
	We own this place, so shut up and sit down.
	If they could do that, they would do that.
	But they can't do it because we are a nation of free, sovereign individuals.
	And so they have to keep this thing, you know, a slow death by a thousand cuts.
	Well, you know, I really appreciate the sentiment that you're talking about, but I've got to say that they have said that, in essence.
	I mean, the Patriot Act said it.
	The NDAA Act said it.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to John D. Herrera about Article 5 of the Constitution and the idea of enacting Article 5 and therefore having a convention to and we are talking to John D. Herrera about Article 5 of the Constitution and the idea of enacting Article 5 and therefore having a convention Yeah, I'm sorry.
	John, I think we're still at a disadvantage here because we're not understanding how this convention can take place.
	Right, and we'll get to that, but it's been tarred and feathered with so much misinformation, literally for decades, that you have to get some other stuff out of the way.
	Now, before we broke off for the break there, The idea that you put across was, well, they've already done the Patriot Act, and they've already done these things to tell Americans that the Constitution, that they're going to ignore it.
	And here's a critical distinction that I really like to make.
	During the Bush years, a lot of people said, well, the Bush administration is shredding the Constitution.
	And now, during the Obama administration, a lot of conservatives are saying, the Obama administration is shredding the Constitution.
	But the thing is, is that the Constitution can't be shredded.
	It can only be ignored.
	And if we get a tipping point, majority of Americans, we get roughly 30 million Americans say, no, the Constitution, we're going to go back to the Constitution and examine it and see what we want to do at this point in history.
	Well, I appreciate how that, you know, that in and of itself, and I think this is, from what I understand, to some degree your point, is just the very act of states wanting to elect delegates to then go back and review the Constitution, all of this.
	It's tantamount to telling the powers that be that we want to You know, take control of our government, in essence.
	But I'm still back, I'm sorry to say, back at the place where you're saying Congress has to be persuaded to actually allow people to hold a convention.
	Is that correct?
	Right.
	And so this is this is the adding on to the point you were making.
	Now, they would pass legislation such as the Patriot Act.
	When they pass that legislation, you don't hear politicians or mainstream media people saying that we're now suspending the Constitution because this act, this Patriot Act, clearly Negates a lot of the protections in the Constitution.
	So by passing it, we're going to suspend the Constitution right now.
	They don't say that.
	What they say is they do the mainstream narrative dance of saying, oh my gosh, the terrorists are going to get us, and we really need to do this.
	And then they create all the smoke and mirrors with people on one side saying, yes, we need these protections, and the other people saying, no, these protections are ignoring the Constitution.
	Well, let me just say, I mean, you know, I'm sorry again, but the bottom line is that from what I understand is, whatever semantics you want to use, we have a government, in effect, That's actually secret government running a government on the surface, which acts in inane ways because they're basically being manipulated from behind, literally and figuratively speaking.
	And so what we have is people or a country that is no longer following its constitution.
	That's obvious.
	So when you have an act such as the Patriot Act or the NDAA that are, in essence, In the spirit, unconstitutional, okay?
	Then you need, let's say, the judicial body to rule those acts as unconstitutional, but those individuals are bought and paid for and under the executive branch, and so they're not going to speak up because they're going to get killed if they do.
	And so we have a problem, you know what I'm saying?
	In other words, there's a certain kind of Pollyanna-ish quality to what you're suggesting here, and although I I am all for the spirit of people getting together and deciding to take control of their government.
	What I think we have to acknowledge is that we have an unconstitutional government, okay, that has chosen to ignore the Constitution.
	And so how do you plan to bring them back?
	Because I'm afraid if you want to go to Congress, who's already letting this happen, I'm not sure how that's going to be persuasive.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay, well, someone has said before, and correctly, that it doesn't matter what the Congress says the Constitution means, and it doesn't matter what the executives say it means, and it doesn't matter what the court says it means.
	It only matters what the people say it means.
	So if we get enough people saying the Constitution means we are now going to hold a convention, we're going to dust this thing off, we're going to put it to work, and we're going to find out what our common ground here is in America between the right and the left.
	We're going to hold a non-binding, deliberative assembly.
	And we're going to find out what we agree on, what we don't, and we're going to put it out to the states.
	And then the people of the states can then lobby their state legislatures to say, hey, that amendment they put on the table, we really like that one.
	We want you to ratify that.
	So that process, that constitutional process of going through a deliberative assembly to find out what the common ground is, putting the ideas on the table, And then the people going to their state legislatures and saying, hey, we want that ratified.
	We think that's a good idea.
	That whole process is going to break the status quo.
	It's in politics as usual.
	But you just told me, I appreciate that.
	And I think once you get past the notion that we need to get permission from Congress and that people just go out and hold this, you know, this kind of assembly, whatever you want to call it, convention.
	Then at that point, maybe, maybe not, but at least they are assembling and at least they're attempting to do something about what's going on with their government.
	And for that purpose, I'd say, you know, bravo.
	But at this point, what we have to ask is, let's say, just hypothetically, Somehow, and I'm not sure how you're planning to do this, but somehow you bypass Congress because that's what's going to be necessary, okay?
	Otherwise you're going to wait until you elect a congressional body sometime in the very distant future such that those individuals are not bought and paid for the way they currently are.
	Well, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, Carrie.
	I, again, as a political scientist, you know, this is some of the stuff that I studied in school.
	I didn't go get an advanced degree in political science, but I've always been engaged in that.
	I've always been reading and all that kind of stuff.
	I got my own little chalkboard, you know, that I've been working political science on.
	Now, history shows irrefutably that if you get enough people galvanized around an idea, That the powers that be don't have a choice in the matter anymore.
	And right now, I've been at this for over 10 years now, and within the last 18 months, there are more people talking about an Article 5 convention than ever before in the last 10 years.
	Okay?
	So if that grows, what they'll do, what the Congress will do, is they will do what they always do.
	They'll play dumb, and they'll dance out of the way.
	They'll create some narrative, They say, oh my God, the sovereign giant is rising up.
	Oh my God, we've got to call a convention.
	Hey, uh, oh my gosh, we just found out the congressional record shows all the states have applied for this convention.
	We've got to call a convention now.
	That's what will happen.
	So we're not waiting decades in the future.
	We're not waiting to try and vote people into office, which we can no longer do because we have the electronic voting machine.
	So let's just get voting out of the idea of voting change into existence out of our heads because The, you know, the big corporate powers already have that locked down.
	It all comes down to consciousness.
	If we get enough Americans from the right and the left, and there are people, there was a conference at Harvard in September of last year that Lawrence Lessig put on, and I'd been in touch with him for years.
	So we had this conference at Harvard in September, and you had people from like the Goldwater Institute, a very conservative think tank.
	You had people like Lawrence Lessig, a very liberal Harvard professor.
	And what you found is that when all those people got together, it was like 400 people, but when you got them all together in the same hall, they didn't want to talk about social issues.
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	They don't want to talk about their subjective beliefs.
	They want to talk about what structurally do we need to do as a people to put our government back on the track that it was meant to be on, which is for and by us.
	Okay, well, I agree.
	Kerry, hang on a second.
	So when you say that for this thing to happen, that it's got to come out of, that we are asking permission from Congress.
	Number one, we're not asking permission from Congress.
	There's already been a federal lawsuit that has established this issue legally.
	And the congressional record, which is a public record of fact and law, reflects that 49 states have already cast over 700 applications.
	In fact, if anyone wants to go, just type in Article V Convention, and you'll find the national group, friends of the Article V Convention, and on their website, they have the first-ever PDF database of the congressional record that shows 49 states cast over 700 applications.
	So what that means is that we are currently mandated by our Constitution to come together as a nation in a deliberative assembly and hold this convention.
	Now, all that needs to happen now as far as the recipe, Is to get enough Americans aware of it.
	To say, hey look, we can break the status quo of politics as usual and this nonsense that we go on and on about if we just stop talking about symptoms and talk about the actual solution.
	It's time for a convention.
	It's time for us to dust off the Constitution.
	So if that dialogue, if that meme, if that kind of discussion starts to go on, guess what?
	We are going to find ourselves free again because it will force the government to do what we the people want it to do and what most people want.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we're talking to John D. Herrera about Article 5 and holding a convention to turn around the state of ships, the ship estate, so to speak.
	John, are you there?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I guess right before the break you were talking about 49 states having done what is called, what, file a what?
	An application.
	It's laid out right there in the Constitution.
	It says Uh, upon the application of two-thirds of the states, Congress shall call a convention.
	And that word, shall, is there.
	Actually, if you ever read the Constitution, uh, I think the word shall, basically shall is the chains that prevents people from believing whatever the heck they want to believe.
	If two-thirds of the states hit the doorstep of Congress, they shall call a convention.
	It's ministerial control.
	So 49 states, since we have 50, means that they've got a majority and they've had one since how long?
	We should have had our first Article 5 convention in 1913, the year they created the Federal Reserve.
	Okay, so we're not really batting a thousand here with regard to... Okay, now hang on, Gary, hang on, hang on.
	I know we're going to go with this, but let me ask you this question.
	If we were supposed to have a convention in 1913, and that, if you want to talk rule of law, the rule of law, rather, that we should have had that convention, and we haven't, there's a reason we have not.
	And here's the reason.
	The reason is, is that in the modern age of TV and media, which goes back to, you know, the 50s, is that the powers that be, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, the ABC, CBS, NBC, they have successfully frightened Americans away from the idea of a convention by saying, if we have a convention, everything's up for grabs.
	And the special interests that we know are already corrupting our government, they're going to get into that convention and they're going to tear it apart.
	And they're going to rewrite the whole thing how they see fit.
	That's what the powers that be have been telling Americans for over 50 years now.
	Okay, and what do you have to say about that?
	I'll say, there's a quote, half the truth is often a great lie.
	So basically what the powers that be have been telling us is a bunch of half-truths, and the whole truth is, whatever the convention talks about, it still needs to be ratified.
	You've still got to get three-quarters of the states to agree to it, and to get three-quarters of the states to agree to something, it has to have overwhelming and broad support.
	But again, going back to the idea of just going through that process to find out what three-quarters of the states might Agree to is what the powers that be don't want to have happen.
	They don't want that process to happen because suddenly, we the people are going to start getting ideas.
	And right now, we're just fed a whole bunch of ideas, which is, you're enslaved, this is happening to you, this is, here's this new act, here's this transgression, blah, blah, blah.
	And you get all this kind of, I think David Wilcox called it fear porn.
	Right?
	We just get this perpetual fear porn.
	You're scaring us into a corner and we don't know what to do.
	Well, the solution is if we get enough of us, like you, Kerry Cassidy, or any of the folks on American Freedom Radio, to stop talking about what's happening to us and start talking about how we actually get out of this.
	By having a convention, by breaking the status quo, then basically, this is something that An idea that Tom Brennan talked about is that just having a convention today is more important than any amendment that can come out of it.
	Because just having a convention ends politics as usual.
	It makes the media have to talk about what the people are talking about.
	It makes the politicians talk about what the people are talking about.
	And suddenly you've got a new dance.
	You've got a whole new ballgame.
	Yes, and look, I agree with you there, and I have stated as such, so far, up to this moment, that there's no doubt about it, if such a convention is even begun to be organized, and I guess the first step in organizing one of those things is to get delegates, and again, we're back with the situation with Congress now.
	No, hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on, Carrie, Carrie, hang on, hang on.
	No, the first step is not to organize delegates.
	The first step is to get a tipping point majority of Americans aware that this provision even exists.
	Americans have been dumbed down for a long time.
	This is not news to anyone.
	Purposefully, they want us to be compliant consumers.
	And they've done everything they can within their power to, one, Make people fear a convention, that everything's up for grabs and we might lose everything we revere.
	And two, that it's up to Congress whether or not we ever get one.
	So if we redirect that to say, no, it's there, it's already been satisfied, and we grow a tipping point to say, hey, it's time for a convention.
	This is not working for us.
	It's not working for anyone except the people in the top 10%.
	And we need to have a convention and discuss what the common ground is between the right and left.
	Once we get that, then the Congress will call a convention, and then you will see an international progression of events.
	All these things, all the nuts and bolts of this whole thing, you will see it all be international progression of events go right to where we need to go, which is bringing everyone together.
	And if Kerry Cassidy was a delegate from California, I guarantee you we're going to find other delegates in New Mexico or Michigan or Rhode Island or Florida.
	You're going to find other people at that convention where there are things you actually agree on.
	That we should have transparent voting.
	That we should have, you know, I mean, why go down the list of all the things that we need right now?
	But the powers that be do not want the people coming together.
	That's been the whole game.
	I appreciate that.
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	Yes.
	You know, the reason you're on this show is because people are very well aware of what's wrong with the picture.
	And they certainly are looking for solutions in how to fix this picture.
	But nonetheless, what we need to do is make this solution a viable one.
	And so what I want to do again is back up a little because you're already in convention and you're voting on various amendments and whatnot.
	And what I would like to do is, you know, give the people listening a little credit here.
	And not try to basically bang them over the head with what they already know, but let's talk about what hasn't happened and what is possible.
	So given the situation and a realistic sort of way of looking at it, let's say that tomorrow you say 49 states back in 1913 already said we needed another constitutional convention.
	Am I right with that statement?
	No, the facts are is that in 1913 we didn't have 50 states, but there were... I asked you as of when did we get 49 states, and you told me 1913, and if that's not true, as of when did we get 49 states agreeing that we need a constitutional convention?
	Alright, well first let's be clear that we don't need 49 states.
	We only need two-thirds of the states.
	I understand that, but you told me we had 49 states.
	So in 1913, we had two-thirds of the states already apply for a convention.
	I understand that, but let's get more recent than that.
	So you say we have 49 states.
	Is that a true statement?
	That is reflected in the public record of the congressional record, yes.
	Okay, so what that means is that as of this very moment, and whenever that initially happened, you know, whether it's 25 years ago, or 10 years ago, or 5 years ago, basically they've got on their plate, the Congress, this request, by the people, or demand, whatever semantics you want to use, and basically they've ignored it.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, now, so the next step is, how do you get them to not ignore it?
	What's your solution there?
	What history teaches us.
	As soon as enough of us become cognizant and desiring the solution, it's over.
	They will dance out of the way.
	Okay, fine.
	So what you need to do, and the people that you're with, and so on and so forth, in addition to doing my radio show, Is you need to go out there and convince people that holding this convention or attempting to hold the convention will be tantamount to getting a landslide so that they can get the Congress to move out of the way and allow them to start to change their government, right?
	Well, let me put a fine point on that.
	Earlier tonight, you know, We talked about the ultimate right of Americans, the right to alter and abolish.
	Now, there's a lot of rights that are laid out in the Constitution.
	The right to free speech, the right to assemble all these things that a lot of people are decrying and saying this is wrong, that we're not allowed to do these things anymore.
	But what is more important?
	The right to complain about your government or the right to remake it altogether?
	Of course, the latter.
	That's a more powerful right.
	So this idea of a convention is not just one idea out of many that are floating around out there.
	It is the idea.
	And so it's not my job to, uh, well, this, you know, as an American citizen is to get out there and do shows like this, but for someone like yourself and for someone like, uh, Dr. Greer, And for all the hosts that are on American Freedom Radio, I scrolled through and I read their bios and what they talk about.
	The job now is for folks like you to educate yourself what a convention is, why it's there, and why it is the exact and only thing that the powers that be fear.
	And for you guys to start stoking the fires to help us along.
	Article5.org is the Occupy folks.
	It's a very, you know, liberal group.
	And there are also conservative groups.
	But really, this is not my idea.
	I didn't write the Constitution.
	And so it's not something that I need to go out there and do.
	It's something that we all need to go out there and do.
	And in fact, it is the litmus test.
	If you really are for humanity, if you really are for truth and justice, and you know all the stuff the powers that be have done to us over the decades, and you know now, you could go research it more if you don't believe it from me, you know that they don't want a convention, then it's the job of everyone.
	And if you really are for peace and justice, Then you would be talking about the actual solution, which is allowing Americans to come together to figure out the common ground and break the status quo.
	I have no doubt, you know, we would discuss things like the World Trade Organization.
	We would discuss things like the Bank of International Settlements.
	These are the Gordian Knots that are keeping us enslaved, and at a convention, We would have people like yourself talking about, we need to remove ourselves from this and commit that to the past and move forward.
	And then we're going to be free!
	So, Kerry, basically what I'm telling you, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate you having me on and allowing me to discuss this, to get other people aware that this is going on, is that this really is The solution, it really is the truth.
	It's convention or bust.
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	Dr. Greer said, hey, you know what?
	Maybe the off-world elements are waiting for us to get our stuff together.
	Well, objectively, if you were a visitor to our small planet here, and you saw all the stuff that was going on, obviously you'd say, you know what?
	They need to come together and find out their common ground.
	And that's what the convention is.
	It's what we need to do.
	And I, you know, I have daydreams that if we get a convention that all of a sudden trumpets are going to sound and we're all going to become aware of this larger community and we'll get free energy and we'll move forward.
	I mean, that's my daydream.
	All right.
	I appreciate that.
	So at this moment, what we're going to do is open this up for questions from the audience.
	And we're also going to open up the call-in lines on the radio and basically let the people listening ask their questions and see where we can go from here.
	Is that all right with you?
	Love it, yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So at the moment, that's going to be kind of interesting.
	I have to find the actual link to the call-in numbers.
	But at any rate, the people in the chat room can state their questions.
	Meanwhile, I'll look for...
	For my call-in screen here, because I have a special screen.
	I just moved away from my computer, so I can't see the chat screen.
	That's okay.
	It's not necessary that you see the chat screen for me to ask the questions, because I'm going to ask them on the radio anyway, out loud.
	And that's where we go from there, because some people are on the chat, but some people are not.
	You know, a requirement.
	That's just whatever people want to do.
	So, if you have a question, put it in all caps.
	That's my request, because it makes it easier for me to find in the flow of chat.
	And if you don't have your question in all caps, then I probably won't see it.
	So, someone wants to know, are you an activist?
	That sounds, well, I would say it's self-explanatory, but go ahead and answer that if you'd like.
	Um, my, uh, activism stems from being a poet and an artist.
	Now, I'm not saying I'm a great poet, you know, but I've been writing poetry since I was 10 years old and I've always had this conception that poets and artists are the guys and girls who go out there and figure out the truth and then lay it on everyone else so it raises consciousness and raises consciousness and gets us, uh, advances us forward.
	So I've always, uh, been, um, of that ilk.
	And in my digging for the truth, I found out about the Convention Clause in the late 90s, and then after 2000, after 9-11, I realized I was going to create a vacuum of power.
	The bad guys were going to get in there and start doing stuff.
	And so I committed myself to doing whatever I could to raise awareness of the Convention Clause.
	So my activism has been over 10 years for that.
	Fine.
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	Well, hello there.
	John, are you there?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So you were answering a question and I think you kind of more or less answered that one.
	So I'm going to move on and basically look for another question here.
	Where I can actually ask you something halfway related to what you're talking about, because the chat room tends to kind of go off in all kinds of directions.
	Somebody's asking, do you think there'll be an election in November?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay.
	Do you want to elaborate there at all?
	I think the powers that be, They realize that they're dealing with the sovereign power of the American people.
	Let's look at it this way.
	The powers that be have been around for a long time.
	When they created the Federal Reserve, they really got hold of the whole game at that point because they were then able to manipulate where money goes and where money does not.
	So they've been running this scam for a long time.
	And, um... Shoot, I just lost my train of thought.
	So this has been going on for a long time.
	Okay.
	If the powers that be, again, this goes back, if they could say, you know what?
	We're not playing this game anymore.
	We're not going to pretend that you guys are actually in control.
	We're not going to pretend that you guys actually have rights.
	We're going to tell you that you don't have any rights and we're running the show.
	If they could have done that, if they could do that, they would have already done it.
	And then in addition to that, You have the scenario that this country was going through post 9-11.
	And a lot of people, you know, because you can argue we're the United States of Amnesia, we forget what we've been through.
	But post 9-11, you know, the Bush administration, Poland, putting down the Patriot Law stuff.
	I said, oh my God, it's over.
	They're going to lock this place down and it's totally over.
	Now, they had the time allotted to them then, post 9-11, where they could have called Marshall Law.
	And they already had the media and everything, so they could have already locked down the whole thing, turned out the lights, Got rid of the people that were threatening the status quo.
	They could have already done this, but they didn't do it.
	And they didn't have things like, they didn't find the weapons of mass destruction, all that kind of stuff.
	So, my belief is, is that there is some kind of divine intervention going on.
	I don't know what it is or how it is, but if I was a corrupt person, or if I was a ruling class type person, I would have said, hey, these people are going to rise up against us and eat us alive if we don't lock them down, so we better do it.
	And they had that chance post 9-11, but for some reason it never happened.
	And now we kind of wandered into this new field, this new horizon where we're still talking about our rights, our constitutional rights, and if the government is working in the interest of the people.
	So, the fact that we did go through martial law already, that we're still here, that you and I are even having this conversation on your radio show, that we're talking about Article 5, that other people are talking about Article 5.
	My belief is that we are a member of a larger community and they're waiting for us to come together and find out what our common ground is, and our common ground is Is basically we all want to be free!
	Humans want to be free and so...
	So, to finish that thought... I get that, okay.
	But, okay, you know, and I appreciate everything you're saying, but let's just kind of get back to the nuts and bolts again, and talk about what basically is going on here, because I've got another question, which I think is a pretty good question, asking what role the courts have to do with all of this, because you said there's a lawsuit,
	And I'd like to elaborate that question to say, what is the lawsuit and is there any chance that the courts can actually rule on that lawsuit anytime soon in a favorable manner?
	That's a good question and it actually ties into what we were talking about earlier.
	Okay, so Walker v. Members of Congress was the first federal lawsuit regarding this issue of Article 5.
	And that lawsuit, which we got to the Supreme Court, In 2007, basically said, look, the congressional record shows that the states have satisfied the convention clause.
	The Constitution says that once that happens, Congress shall call a convention.
	So the question before the Supreme Court was, does Congress have to obey the Constitution or not?
	Do they have to carry out their constitutional obligation to issue the call or not?
	Now, when you go to the Supreme Court, the plaintiff Has to state everything as the fact and law.
	And then the defendant, or the attorney for the defendant, in this case it was the Solicitor General, because the defendants were the members of Congress, has to sign off on what the plaintiff states.
	And the Solicitor General said, yes, what Walker is saying is true.
	The states have applied for the convention.
	They have satisfied the convention clause.
	And what Walker vs. members of Congress did is it forced Congress to state in a court of law that it is not going to obey the Constitution.
	That it is never going to call for a convention.
	Now this goes back to what I stated earlier.
	Has any politician or any mainstream media person said, hey, this federal lawsuit shows that Congress has no intention of obeying the Constitution?
	No, we don't hear about that.
	Because if we did hear about that, the government would blink and the American people would say, no, we don't think so, this is our country.
	So the legality of it is that yes, currently the Constitution is suspended because one of the three branches of government is failing to carry out its obligation spelled out by the Constitution.
	Okay, but when you say one of the three, you're talking about the courts?
	No, I'm talking about the legislative branch.
	But the other two branches, the executive and the court, are also equally guilty because they're playing dumb.
	I mean, President Obama is a constitutional scholar.
	He knows about the Convention Clause.
	All the judges on the Supreme Court, they know about the Convention Clause.
	Again, let's get back to the lawsuit.
	How are they ignoring the lawsuit?
	Uh, they denied certiorari.
	They said, well, we're not going to hear this case.
	Okay, so it's been denied.
	But in denial, they actually rule by default.
	So they go along with the lower court to say, yes, Congress can disobey the Constitution and not issue the call for a convention.
	Okay, well that doesn't sound too positive.
	No, well again it goes back to political science.
	It doesn't matter what the court says.
	It doesn't matter what the Congress says.
	It doesn't matter what the President says.
	It only matters what we the people say.
	And if you and the other folks on your radio show and the other folks you know and Dr. Greer, if they all stop talking about symptoms, And you know, you came on the segment saying this is whistleblower radio.
	How many whistleblows do we need?
	We've had 10 years of whistleblowing.
	All right, so let's stop talking about that.
	Let's talk about the actual solution.
	What if Kerry Cassidy and Greer and all these other folks said, you know what, we've had enough of this.
	We want an Article 5 convention.
	The congressional record shows all the states have satisfied this clause.
	Congress has already said before the Supreme Court that it's not going to issue the call.
	Well, oh yeah, we'll see.
	And if we get enough people finally saying, hey, we want a convention, we're going to dust off the Constitution and put it to work right now, we're going to go through this process as a society, and we're going to find out what our common ground is.
	That is what people like the Rockefellers or whoever, they don't want that to happen.
	So if they don't want that to happen, and they're controlling things, then why aren't we talking about it?
	Okay.
	And this is what we're doing.
	We're just raising awareness now.
	I'm sure a lot of listeners have never heard of it.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, what about the Occupy individuals?
	Have you tried to approach these people?
	Well, here in Santa Barbara, California, I worked with the Occupy group for six weeks at the outset of that.
	And then I was actually invited to Washington, D.C.
	I was working with the Inter-Occupy Group, which actually grew out of the New York City General Assembly.
	I'm not interested in a litany of who you've worked with.
	What I want to know is, have these people taken on this cause, so to speak?
	Yes.
	Articlev.org, or Article5.org, is a group of the 99, a bunch of folks from the 99% Declaration, which were one of the factions that created Occupy Wall Street.
	There are folks that became disillusioned with that group, - Yeah.
	They got onto Article 5.
	A guy named Dan Marks is heading that up, and they have a lot of great people.
	So yes, there's a lot of Occupy folks that are now... And let me ask you another question.
	Isn't it true that the sheriffs are somehow, here in California at least, getting together and talking about this idea?
	Well, now this is where I'm working right now on this, and I'll tell you this narrative.
	I'm not telling you this to say, hey, look what I'm doing.
	I'm telling you this because it's important for us to have a narrative of what's happening.
	What happened here is in February of 2011, a sheriff named Gil Gilbertson in Josephine County, Oregon, He sent out a white paper to other sheriffs.
	He said, hey, the U.S.
	Forest Service is coming in to my county and shutting down county roads and not coordinating with me and treating me like dirt.
	And he sent that paper out, and lo and behold, suddenly there was half a dozen other sheriffs saying, hey, you, you too, me too!
	So all the sheriffs got together in October in Huairica, California, and they said, hey, the federal government's out of control.
	We've got to do something about this.
	That meeting then grew, snowballed to a bigger meeting in January of this year in Las Vegas.
	And they had something like 75 sheriffs from across the country saying, hey, yeah, we want to obey our oath.
	We want to see the Constitution obeyed.
	And what are we going to do about it?
	So they had this camaraderie and it wasn't all just guys.
	I believe there's a couple of women sheriffs there also.
	And, um, so they said, what are we going to do about it?
	So I called in February of 2011 when I saw this white paper come over the internet.
	I called Gil Gilbert and I said, Hey, look, you know, there's actually a tool in the constitution to put a, uh, a, uh, out of control federal government back in its place.
	And it's in the convention clause.
	So why don't the sheriff start talking about a convention?
	So, uh, then in, um, Then I talked to Bill again this year, and he said, well, you know, they're having the Western States Conference Sheriffs, so I went out there and talked to sheriffs about the convention clause, and then in March of this year, they had another meeting up there in Alturas, California, and talked to them again.
	The last communication that I sent to these seven different sheriffs, actually on the Real quick, as a segue here, Huffington Post had an article the other day about Jeff Christopher.
	He's a sheriff in Sussex County, Delaware, and the attorney general there is trying to remove the arrest powers of the sheriff.
	So Jeff Christopher is now in this group of constitutional sheriffs who are saying, hey, we gotta do something about this out-of-control federal government.
	And the idea is Is that because the sheriff is the, uh, is an elected law enforcement position, it's where the buck stops constitutionally.
	And, um, so the idea is, and I don't know, I hope we are, I hope they're turning over this idea still and they're going to make a judgment on it soon.
	But the idea I put across to him is, I said, look, Walker versus, Walker versus members of Congress has already established That the Congress has said it's not going to obey the Constitution and it's not going to issue the call.
	What that means for sheriffs is that they can band together and say, look, it's come to our attention that the Congressional record reflects that the states have satisfied the Convention Clause and members of the 112th Congress are currently breaking the Constitution By not issuing a call for a convention.
	They are currently blocking one of two ways to propose amendments that are fixed in the Constitution.
	Therefore, we have no choice, based on our oath and the Constitution, but to begin arresting members of Congress if they come into our county.
	So the idea... Okay, I'm sorry, but we have to go to commercial here.
	We'll be right back to ask some questions on what you've just said.
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	I guess what you're saying is we need a groundswell to move forward on this and then we were talking about the sheriffs and the fact that they are now Possibly considering the idea that arrests have to be made for people that are not following along with the rule of law, so to speak, that are in our government.
	And you're suggesting that some sheriffs are considering the idea that they would arrest, I guess, Congress people that enter their territory.
	Is that correct?
	Well, yes, and let me add to that, you know the guy Drake.
	He's been on the circuit with Wilcox, and I don't know if you've done an interview with him, but basically the idea that Drake is putting across is that, hey, there's cabal within the United States military and the United States Marshals.
	And they're going to make a whole bunch of arrests on some Federal Reserve bankers and bureaucrats and blah blah blah.
	So when I heard about that idea...
	My immediate response is, well, what the heck is it going to do to arrest a bunch of bankers?
	It's going to leave the status quo in place.
	It's going to leave the Congress controlled by special interests and the big multinational corporations.
	So it's not going to do anything for the American people except to allow a few people to say, oh yeah, hey, we got the bankers.
	Good for us.
	But it's not going to do anything.
	So the idea of the sheriffs Being able to say, look, the Congressional record, which is a public record of fact and law, shows that the Convention Clause of Article 5 has been satisfied.
	So we don't have a choice in this matter.
	This has come to our attention because a group, a national group, has done this audit of the Congressional record for the first time ever in American history.
	We now have a PDF database of these Applications.
	So we don't have a choice in the matter.
	And we're respectfully requesting the 112th Congress, or if it pushes over into next year, we're respectfully requesting the 113th Congress to carry out its obligation and issue the call for a convention.
	If they don't do that, we don't have a choice in the matter but to begin arresting members of Congress and any federal official because they are operating Um, on a deceit, which is... Uh, well, there is a problem... Wait, wait, wait, carry, carry, carry, hang on, let me finish this idea.
	So, so, the idea that I was trying to get across to sheriffs, and I hope they're thinking about it right now, and if you believe in prayer or sending good thoughts, there's about, uh, there's some sheriffs that are actually considering this idea.
	Because we were in a dialogue in email.
	So they weren't saying, oh, that's crazy.
	We're not going to do that.
	They're actually, there are sheriffs considering this idea.
	Now, in this audio... Don't tell Bush that.
	Right, but let me just finish.
	The bigger idea is that they don't have to say, we're going to start arresting members of Congress.
	They can put out They could make a statement, a coordinated policy statement to say, look, there's about 3,080 different counties in America.
	That means there's about 3,080 different sheriffs.
	A lot of those sheriffs are political.
	They're as political as any politician you can name.
	But there are a lot of sheriffs who really are sincere.
	They really do believe what they're doing.
	And they really do believe in the principles of the Constitution, and they really do want to honor their oath to the Constitution.
	Okay, I hear you.
	Okay, now we've got people calling in here, and we've got very few minutes left in the show, so I think you've made your point.
	Let's have another show!
	I appreciate that.
	But at the moment, let's go with this, and we've got a caller here, area code 734.
	You're on the air with John D. Herrera and Kerry Cassidy.
	Hi, Kerry.
	Hi there.
	Jason from Ann Arbor.
	I have a couple of questions about this movement.
	I guess I find it a little... I'm a little suspicious of it.
	I would like to believe your motives are good, and perhaps they are, but this is a very dangerous thing that you're proposing for many reasons, and I'll just bring up a couple real quick.
	One, No Constitutional Convention has been called since 1787.
	And when that happened, we changed from one form of government to another, completely.
	And that was not the purpose of the original call, it was to change a few small things.
	And the delegates, the entire process, ended up coming to the Constitution instead of the Articles of Confederation.
	Now, fortunately, those people that decided to do that were part of the Revolutionary Movement.
	And were, um, have been exposed to this revolution which made them very patriotic and loyal to the country for the most part.
	But there's no guarantee of that now.
	Another thing is, we don't know any of these people.
	You haven't mentioned any one of them by name that have, you know, you say 49 states have called for this.
	I don't know about it.
	Now I'm very politically aware.
	I don't know anyone who's calling for this or who this movement's being funded by.
	I assume it takes money to do this.
	Who's leading it?
	Are they current politicians?
	At this moment, we're very short in time, so I'm going to have to cut you off right there and let John try to address a few of your questions there.
	John, do you want to address a few of those?
	Jason, thanks for calling in.
	I appreciate it very much.
	And I don't want to sound rude, but I have to tell you that a lot of the things that you put out there, you are parroting What the powers that be have told us, which is that a convention is dangerous, that a non-binding, deliberative assembly somehow is going to be dangerous.
	That the convention does not ratify anything.
	Now, also the other idea that the 1787 convention threw away the Articles of Confederation and that another convention is going to throw away the Constitution, that's incorrect.
	There's been a lot of scholarship over the last two years that shows it as absolutely incorrect.
	In addition to that, the Article 5 Convention can only propose amendments to the Constitution we have.
	What that means is the framers did not put a self-destruct button in their masterwork.
	And they said, and it says in Article 5, that whatever you propose, it can only be proposed to this Constitution.
	So if you want to throw away the Constitution, you're going to have to propose an amendment allowing for that, get it ratified by three quarters of the state, then come back and write your Constitution.
	That's not going to happen.
	Now, as far as the groups, there are advocating for a convention.
	There is a guy named Paul Antonori, who I was on the phone with today, very conservative, very right-wing, sees this clearly as, oh my gosh, the people need to come together, we need to have a convention.
	Then you have the articlev.org, or article5.org, they are all very progressive, very liberal folks, they see it clearly, oh my gosh, we need to have a convention.
	So there is, this is a nascent and growing movement right now.
	This is happening right now, and if you are sincere and you really do want to see truth and justice for humanity, don't take it from me.
	Maybe just turn it over, do some research, but it's got to come through a convention, got to come through the United States of America, and we really can.
	We can take this game back into our court, and we can do what The universe, what I believe the universe wants us to do, which is proclaim our sovereignty and our freedom.
	And it will come to a convention.
	All right, caller.
	Thank you very much for calling.
	I'm going to let somebody else ask a last minute question here, if we can get them in under the wire.
	Thank you.
	So we we have somebody calling from, let me see if this is going to work.
	Is somebody calling from area code 940?
	You're on the air with John D. Herrera and Keri Cassidy.
	Hello, Keri?
	Hello?
	Yeah, am I on the air?
	Yes, you are.
	Great.
	Hey, John.
	Hey, Keri.
	Enjoyed the conversation tonight.
	I don't really have a question.
	I'll just have a comment or two to make.
	I don't see how... We are so mind-controlled.
	The average American is a total moron, okay?
	First of all, there's only a small percentage of people that are even aware of any of this, of what you're talking about, and I don't see how we're going to go to a broken system to fix the system.
	You know, I mean, I'm all with you, John.
	We have a little bit of time here, so let me respond to that.
	The system is not broken.
	The system, the operating system, which is the Constitution, is defaulting and freezing up on us.
	The part of that operating system says when that starts to happen, when the government stops acting in the interest of the people, you hold a convention to restructure what is going wrong.
	So the convention does not fry the computer, it simply reboots it.
	And that's all a convention is, is we're hitting the reset button on the rule of law, which is all the principles laid out in the Constitution Which in a phrase is, we the people are free.
	Every member of the Bar Association is an agent for the Crown.
	Okay, so going through the court system.
	I mean, I don't know if you've been through the court system We're not going through the court system.
	We're going through the people the song power of the people saying Thank you very much caller.
	I'm gonna have to let you go at this moment.
	We are at the end of the hour Thank you very much John D. Herrera, please give out any website Gary Jerry, let's do another show on this.
	This is not my idea.
	This is our idea.
	We have to do another show on this.
	Okay, fine, but put out your information so that people can follow up with this one more time, please.
	Okay, hello?
	You'll find Friends of the Article 5 Convention in article5.org.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks for being here, John D. Herrera, and this will be food for thought for everyone listening.
	Good night, everyone.
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