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03/14/2012 - Hugh Newman

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	There is a jaguar outside my door Stretched out and purring
	Waiting for more Strange shade of stone Deep cat eye green No way to escape No one hears my scream He's come here so often Just when I'm alone I can't help but longing I'll do anymore Thank you.
	He's a Jaguar, he's a Jaguar, he's a Jaguar, he's a Jaguar.
	There is a Jaguar outside my door, stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	A string sheet of stone, big cat eye green, no way to escape, no one hears my scream.
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	He's coming so often just when I'm alone.
	Okay, this is Carrie Hafsody, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and very happy to be here on this Wednesday, this completely mad Wednesday, March 14th, 2012.
	And we are going to have a fun show.
	I just want to say a couple announcements.
	One thing is that I did a live stream last night with Stu Webb.
	It was my second live stream with him.
	And I should find it very fascinating.
	We really covered the PROMIS software and the whole rabbit's hole that goes along with that in depth.
	And we also covered Earth Changes from his perspective.
	Some of the back channel stuff he's been getting from people in alphabet agencies, etc.
	And Stu has quite a bit of contacts.
	He's been in this business, if you want to call it a business, for the past, oh God, I don't know, maybe even 40 years or something crazy.
	At least 20 years.
	Anyway, so that's on ProjectCamelot.org.
	It's on the front page, but you can also click on my blog if you want to see how to get over to the live stream.
	I am exporting, as we speak, a version for YouTube, so I should be getting it up to YouTube fairly soon as well.
	I just want to make an announcement also that if you go to ProjectCamelotProductions.com and you click on the events page or even the first page, which is the homepage of that section, you will find a list of all the different places that I'm going to be speaking in the next six months.
	And it's going to be pretty wild and crazy, I guess, going forward.
	So, without further ado, let me introduce Hugh Newman, who is... Hugh, are you with us?
	I'm with you, Kerry.
	Awesome.
	Nice to hear your voice.
	Good, good.
	Yeah, good to hear yours too.
	Yeah, that's... there's a required answer there somehow, but don't worry about what it might be.
	So anyway, I know Hugh now for a few years, and we've hung out at his various Megalithomania conferences, both in South Africa and in Glastonbury, and people that are followers of Camelot will be familiar with our trip to Glastonbury last year that was quite memorable, and Tommy Hansen, my A young webmaster went over to Glastonbury for the first time, being in England, and was very thrilled to be there.
	So that was a lot of fun for him.
	And we also got an interview at that time with George Kovacilis, who we just met on the street, no doubt.
	It was an absolutely bizarre sort of synchronicity.
	So George Kovacilis, we often end up with synchronicities with him.
	It's quite interesting.
	But at any rate, Hugh, so what do I want to say about you?
	I've posted this on my website, but I'll just say you're an earth mysteries and esoteric science researcher.
	And he's been the organizer of the Megalithomania Conferences for many years now.
	He's written several books, one's called Earth Grids, another Indigo Child.
	I think that's the name of it.
	And member of the Antiquarian Society.
	Sounds very British and sophisticated.
	And been on Ancient Aliens series and so on.
	He's a very memorable character and I did an interview with him.
	Actually, I've done a couple.
	One in Egypt on location when I actually ran into him at the pyramids.
	And then that was very sort of off-the-cuff, and then we did a more formal interview in South Africa.
	Both of those interviews are on projectchemlot.org.
	If you go to the library and just look up his name on the right-hand side at the drop-down menu.
	So, Hugh, how you doing?
	I'm very well, thank you, Kerry.
	And how are you doing?
	I'm doing well, obviously.
	Speeding my brains out over here now.
	Just trying to catch up with everything.
	It's been a lot of craziness lately.
	So, what I'd like you to do is, first of all, talk about what you've been doing lately, where you've been going.
	I know you went to Bosnia back in the fall, I believe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I went over to Bosnia.
	We met up with Semir Samuzmanagic and David Hatcher-Childress came as well, Klaus Donner and a few other speakers.
	There was a little conference there and we took a group over from England, sort of megalithomaniacs, a bunch of us went over.
	We've checked out the pyramids there and the tunnels and the stone spheres.
	Very interesting place, very strange, very interesting place.
	If people are interested in ancient mysteries it's definitely worth going to but it's still one of those sort of mysterious sort of places where you can't quite work out what's going on there because they've just started really even though they've been at it for like five years now, six years, excavating these potential pyramids.
	It's still unclear what's going on there.
	It's like the mystery gets deeper the more you look into it, really, in Bosnia.
	That's very interesting.
	I want to know, did you feel that there was positive energy?
	You know, because you've been to a lot of sacred sites and so on and so forth.
	Was the feeling overall positive?
	Was it sort of ambivalent or how did you feel about that?
	Yeah, it's a good, yeah, it's a nice energy there, yeah, for sure.
	I mean, obviously Sam Samir at the helm, he's an amazing guy, and he had a great team of people, archaeologists and volunteers, and yeah, it's a really, the village or the town of Visoko is a very nice place.
	Uh-huh.
	And there's a lot of other archaeological sites, you know, in Bosnia and Croatia and other places and Ukraine and things like that.
	But yeah, there's something about it.
	There's like, it's almost like, this might sound weird, but it kind of reminds me of like the phenomenon of the crop circles you get mainly in England, but also in America and around the world where you can't quite work out what's going on.
	It's got this sort of So high strangeness if you like so quite a Fortean Approach it must be taken with it because it's really in the early days and it's nothing's cut and dry there about what these sites are who build them and and if they're partly natural Partly constructed and so there's a kind of gray area, but that's what makes it.
	You know that's what makes studying and visiting these places so interesting and There's a deeper mystery there so that yeah it's kind of it kind of baffled me a little bit to be honest with you.
	It wasn't like you go to Egypt and it's like massive pyramids you know you go to Mexico clearly you can see what's going on but there it's a little bit different and uh I think there's some other places around the world like that but I highly recommend it because a lot of interesting sites there And it's worth checking it out yourself and the energies there are really strong actually.
	Oh yeah.
	Did a lot of dowsing there.
	There's been a lot of tests done there.
	Klaus Donner did a bit of research there with some interesting equipment where he managed to scan supposedly the you know, the entire Pyramid of the Sun, that Samir's called it.
	And that search is out now, I think, and you can access that through probably Sam Samir's and the Bosnian, you know, pyramid websites.
	But, yeah, but since then, after Bosnia, I continued travelling a bit.
	I came back to England for a while and then went over to North America where we did a Megalithomania conference in Connecticut, actually in Glastonbury, Connecticut, just because, partly because it was Glastonbury.
	And we've been doing the Glastonbury conference in England for years, you know.
	So, and that was great fun and there's lots, I mean, you probably know about this Kerry, but there's lots of fascinating megalithic sites up in New England, almost every state of New England and New York State.
	That's very interesting.
	So many up there, it's just, I went over there in 2008 originally.
	I was involved in a conference, the Earth Spirit Conference, with Glen and Cameron Broughton.
	They've got one coming up in April in Vermont if people want to check that out.
	It's a very, very good conference.
	In Vermont is where I got introduced to the chambers and because they're like it's quite unusual like people think of megaliths they think of stone circles or dolmens with you know but there they're like these chambers that have sort of built into the earth and there's a few monolith standing stones and there's a few potential stone circles and there's some very large dolmens as well and you know you don't really expect that in North America and it's quite rare over there I mean
	Mainly, the other sites you get in North America, as you know, are the Mound Culture sites all along the Mississippi, right up, you know, the whole central kind of, you know, part of America.
	And that's what I'm intending to come over this fall and actually kind of check those out, because they kind of fascinate me.
	But yeah, but New England, my god, I mean, we're going to do another one there, actually.
	Are you?
	Yeah, yeah, we just, well, we didn't really get a chance to see that much.
	We only did three days of tours after the conference, which, you know, everyone came with like 30 people, you know, and that was quite amusing.
	There's a brilliant site called Gungiwomp, just because of the name.
	It's a really good name as well.
	I think it's a Native American name, actually, Gungiwomp.
	But we're gonna do this one probably nearer Massachusetts, nearer Boston, and sort of check out all the sites along that whole area.
	Maybe going in to look at some stuff in Rhode Island, because there's this sort of Templar Tower there, which is worth having a look at.
	Yeah, but I mean, there's a whole world of megaliths, so that's what's, you know, gonna keep me busy for the next 50 years, hopefully.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you're completely passionate about all of this, and I have to say, I learned a great deal just sort of following you around those megaliths and hanging out in them.
	I enjoyed them for the energetics, certainly, because that's quite fascinating, and you can trip into other worlds and so on and so forth, which, of course, when I went to Adam's Calendar and filmed there, well, I've been there several times now, and it's And I made a documentary there, as you know, and that is an absolutely fascinating site of megaliths.
	And it definitely, you know, is right up there with Egypt and with Stonehenge and all of that.
	So I think these are, you know, megalithic sites, those sites, sacred sites, really fascinating, fascinating all over England.
	You know, I'm just trying to sort of wrestle with myself because I think that I might be missing your megalithomania this year.
	And unfortunately, because I would like to come over for that, I know Tommy is even planning on it, so you've got a recruit there, which is great.
	But yeah, you know, Samir Samevich, I actually interviewed him at your Megalithic Mania conference.
	I have been with so many.
	I've just been non-stop.
	People just don't kind of realize I'm always dealing with so much stuff that I don't know if people can hear my cat in the background.
	I don't know what the hell's going on there.
	Never a dull moment here.
	Anyway, I've got an interview with him that I do want to put out there.
	I just haven't had time to edit it and I hired a couple editors and they both blaked on me totally.
	One kept me hanging for months saying he was going to do the work and he never did.
	The other one kept me hanging for a couple months as well.
	So it's just been madness trying to get all this stuff done.
	I try to wear so many hats.
	It's just gotten out of hand over here.
	So, but in terms of where your head is at and what you're thinking about 2012, how does kind of going through the megaliths at this time, and I know you went, I think you went to, I don't know if it was Guatemala or Peru, is that maybe both, or Peru, where just recently, and I don't know if you're planning a 2012 trip over there either, what are your thoughts about 2012?
	Oh God, that's a big question.
	Well, we're in it.
	It's come around rather quickly, isn't it?
	I didn't expect it to suddenly be here, you know.
	So that's always a shock.
	But basically, yeah, I mean, we've got a lot of things planned this year.
	Travelling is on the agenda.
	I'm staying at home pretty much for the next few months because Number one, I'm writing a book about sites near where I'm currently living, which isn't near Glastonbury at the moment, it's actually on the other side, the east side of the country, near Cambridge, in a village called Colne Endgate, and I'm sort of researching and writing a book about all the ley lines, mysteries and ancient sites in this area, because it's not been done, and so that's my kind of, so I want to get that done really thoroughly and properly, get the book out for Megalithomania,
	And then we're going to get out and about after the summer.
	Yeah, we did a tour with David Hatcher Childress and Brian Forrester in November in Peru and Bolivia and we visited all the major sites obviously.
	I've been to Peru before so I've visited most of these sites already but it was quite profound and we are planning one later in 2012 as well so that could be interesting.
	We're not actually going to do it Actually, December the 21st, 2012, end of Mayan calendar time, we're going to sort of do it in November.
	We're just discussing having a very special guest lined up for that, possibly.
	We're sort of working on that this week.
	We're going to make announcements in a couple or two or three weeks hopefully.
	So I'll be doing that again and then we're going to probably, you know, a few of us and possibly as a small group are going to then go to East Ireland as well because I've never been there and that's once in a lifetime.
	No, no, Easter Island.
	Oh, Easter Island.
	Oh, my God.
	You can get there from Peru nowadays.
	And so that's my agenda.
	And then we're going to be doing some other stuff.
	Interestingly, talking about Tommy, we may be doing an event over in Norway in September.
	with a few of the megalithomaniacs like Klaus and Donner and a few others Klaus Donner but there's this guy George from Norway is organising that but we're not sure how it's all going to pan out just yet
	because a lot of things, there's quite a few sites out there and interestingly Tommy sent me an email about this potential stone circle that he found out there so I don't know and he made a little sketch of it and sent that over to me so that's quite I'd like to follow that up as well.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, that's nice.
	Yeah, we've got a lot of things on the go.
	I mean, like I say, there's a whole world out there.
	I mean, I'm always looking for, like, interesting alignments between sites.
	OK, we're going to go to a break right here, Hugh, and we'll be right back in a few minutes.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy of Project Camelot with Sublar Radio.
	And we're talking to Hugh Newman. - Good afternoon.
	Hugh, you still with me?
	I'm still with you, Keri.
	Okay, awesome.
	Just kind of working on trying to get your ad up on our site while we're doing this whole thing.
	Anyway, So where were we?
	Talking about 2012 and some of your plans and you're going to Easter Island and maybe planning a trip around 2012, maybe November.
	I'm actually kicking around the idea of going to Egypt with a group in December, around the 21st of 2012, if we can swing all of that.
	I'm also planning to accompany maybe Sean during the 2012 thing in the early days.
	I'm not sure, maybe in November, but please do keep me posted on your November trip just in case I might be able to accompany you guys.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I might see you in Egypt in 2012.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, it'll be a lot of fun.
	So anyway, and yeah, I'm actually kicking around the idea of getting together a group of speakers to, you know, just kind of descend on the place and have a good old party or whatever.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah, so why not, you know?
	Might as well party while the whole ship is going down.
	Just kidding.
	A little 2012 humor over here.
	Yeah.
	So don't take me seriously, you guys.
	I do have an optimistic view of the future, believe it or not.
	Anyway, so yeah, so tell me, Hugh, in terms of your book that you've been doing dousing, have you been finding any kind of changes in the ley lines as a result of the changing, well, my information actually, I got some new information I'm about to post last night that the
	That the um I guess the magnetic field is is shifting and uh it's it's moving uh over like I don't know 45 miles um a year and um that that we're due for something pretty major and I'm just wondering if it's showing up on the when you douse and if the ley lines are actually moving.
	Um that's a good question um there's something I've noticed I don't know if you can It's hard to tell because when you're studying stone circles or pyramids or ancient sites and tracking the earth energies and things like that, often you're dealing with a very local kind of energy of the way that these ancient sites kind of harness that energy, that magnetic field energy really.
	I mean, because what I think potentially a lot of these earth energies are that people are dousing is actually part of the magnetic field and these are like, they're called, some people call them field lines, they're telluric currents and they move all around the earth and they're directly connected to the magnetic field.
	So you get, you know, you talk about fluctuations in these, well you get the fluctuations on like a daily basis, they get really highly, you know, the way the magnetic field gets affected by the sun.
	Then on a local level, these effects can be recorded, even scientifically now as well, not just through dowsing.
	This has been, you know, as many of your listeners will know, John Burke and Kaj Halberg did some superb scientific research on these ancient sites and the energies, magnetic energy currents present there.
	So I think they've got, you know, big respect to John.
	Bless him, he's, you know, passed away last year.
	But they've, they really broke open of what, you know, they really sort of gave some real strong clout to what the dowsers and the GMATs have been saying all along.
	And the, you know, the feng shui practitioners dowsing in Europe.
	It's been going for hundreds, if not thousands of years, really.
	Science is now backing that up, which is really interesting, but what I think, linking back to your question, what I think these sites are and why they were built, not 100% that they had multi-purposes, but one of the main reasons they were built and the sites were chosen was to actually almost like pin down the magnetic field and to keep it safe, you know, and keep it like structural and sort of harness the energy so it's beneficial for humans.
	And everything was designed with that in mind.
	It's like the science or the art of geomancy.
	And they had this whole other sort of worldview and way of thinking about this.
	And this is something we're just starting to relearn and starting to realize.
	All these energies are still the same energies that they were working with thousands of years ago are still at the site.
	and they're still present there.
	So it says something about the ingenuity of our ancestors and how they were working with these energies and building these incredible and outrageous, really, megalithic sites and pyramid sites all around the planet.
	And so I think there's also, you know, following up, also to your question, research on the pyramids, this is like Christopher Dunn and other people have tested this out, suggest they kind of harness the magnetic energy to create energy from suggest they kind of harness the magnetic energy to create energy And they can actually deal with earthquake problems, energies and volcanic kind of energies and suck them up almost.
	And, you know, so they had a real high understanding of these energies.
	I think they knew something was coming and they built these sites to help us, in a way, if this, you know, this pole shift may happen.
	Well, yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it.
	So, what you're basically saying is that they're built to withstand the changes on some level, maybe even mitigate them.
	Quite possibly, yeah.
	I mean, there's evidence that says that many of these sites actually, you know, like in England for instance, a majority of the megalithic sites are built upon fault lines.
	And so people are now realizing that there's a reason for that, because these fault lines you can actually sort of sense the energy, you know, you can feel it in your body as well.
	There's earth lights appear, there's lots of strange fluctuations that can affect your pineal gland, so you can have kind of altered states of consciousness just by being on these fault lines.
	And so these sites were built where this energy was strong, and it could have had a naturally negative effect.
	So they were, as geomancers, they were kind of working with them, potentially negative energies, and transforming them, you know, into positive or neutral energies.
	Just to maintain balance and harmony within their local landscape and so the other side of that is that they were sort of pulling out you know stopping any dangerous things happening that could have come from the earth and you know geopathic stress being just one of them And the problem we have with the way we build now all around the planet, everywhere really, we don't have any understanding of this geomantic philosophy.
	It's gone.
	You know, it's just only a few individuals who are kind of relearning it around the world.
	And so everything is built unharmoniously everywhere so these energies are clashing, the fault lines, the magnetic fields aren't properly being interfered with, the Wi-Fi and there's no respect or kind of harmony anymore and I think that's what we're missing.
	I think that could be one of the things that's gonna make things worse if anything if that's not kind of addressed.
	You know on various different levels the way we approach building around the planet and That's absolutely true and really a good point.
	I think that's fascinating, the whole idea of building sort of in concert with the ley lines and the power places and being aware of that in the way that the original people really were much more so.
	And obviously, one of the things that earth changes will do is put people in that headspace.
	You know, I consider myself an earth sensitive.
	I wouldn't be surprised if you were also an earth sensitive.
	And what that means is, well, I feel earthquakes, for example, in advance on my body and actually can get ill.
	I get super energized in my feet area when there's movement on the earth.
	I've actually been able to predict earthquakes, not in advance, like months or anything, but more like days.
	Like a day or two, my body will feel it very strongly.
	That kind of energy and that ability to feel energy becomes more pronounced when you are thinking of planning for, I guess, changes on the earth that could even be continuing, like a continuing thing.
	So, what I'm hearing is that, you know, the earth changes we're feeling now are not just going to stop.
	They're going to actually continue for at least between now and 2017 is what I hear.
	Other people may be hearing, you know, different years and all that.
	But with that in mind, yeah, I mean, you know, it's all the more crucial to be sensitive to where you're building something, right?
	Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
	Or even creating a community because you have to deal with those energies affecting the way people feel, the way they act.
	I remember that, I think you did a presentation, I think it was at Megalithomania, showing the pyramids and how even there's a sense that the pyramids were there to mitigate any earth changes or even earthquakes in the area where they were built, right?
	Yeah, there's been a lot of good research on that, especially the ones in Egypt, in Giza Plateau.
	I don't know if that's been really addressed and worked with.
	Too many other sites, you know, just because of the access to them to take all the measurements.
	But there's certainly energetic effects at most pyramid sites around the planet, even in the Bosnia pyramids as well.
	Certainly, you know, in Mexico, Guatemala and Belize, those kind of areas too.
	Cool.
	Well, you know, it never fails.
	My cell phone's across the room, of course, but Someone's calling me during my radio show.
	You know, I wouldn't mind that people call me during my radio show, except that that means they don't know I'm on the radio.
	Yeah, sure.
	How can you call yourself my friend and you don't know I'm on the radio right now?
	No, just, you know, I'm just kind of in a wild mood this evening.
	Anyway, so Um, so, so could you tell me as far as, uh, you know, the book that you wrote, um, about the ley lines, are you feeling like maybe, because I remember at the time you were talking about groundwater and maybe starting to trace that.
	I don't know if you've went down further down that road or if you feel that, you know, maybe you went in a different direction since then.
	No, well, you know, the water thing, Ancient sites is just as interesting as the earth energies in a way, because, you know, these stone circles, these dolmens, all the stones seem to have, you know, detectable underground water streams.
	Either they were there naturally, you know, lots of little streams, lots of different depths as well and different speeds and different pressure.
	all through the ground, and they would congregate at megalithic sites, and mound sites, and pyramids, and whatever, all the different types of sites, really.
	And then what some tests were done, they would build a stone circle, this was done several years ago, they built a modern stone circle, and the underground wall was kind of natural, there wasn't any particular thing.
	But then after a few months with the stone circle being there, when they detected and tested where all the underground water was, it all harmonised into like, almost like...
	as though the circle was having an effect on where the water should go, sort of bringing it into harmony and all in the right place, and in these sort of geometric kind of lines.
	So it does happen, and spirals often form as well.
	And so whether this is was there this understanding way back And also the effects you get from water that's under the ground, especially when it moves through, you know, chalky ground, you get very different types of rocks and it's very high pressure, very small areas they're trying to get through, so you get this extreme high pressure which has a sort of charge to it which can be felt on the surface.
	So when you get all these different You've got that kind of energy to deal with as well.
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	So you get that with the water as well.
	So the water is like, you know, detectable, like an energy line is on the surface if you're dowsing.
	And also, obviously, you can test that with basic, you know, scientific equipment as well.
	That's great.
	Yeah, that's fascinating.
	You haven't been back to Egypt, I take it, since you were last there, right?
	I did.
	I went back just a few months later.
	Just me and my girlfriend went and just for a couple of weeks just, you know, in the Sinai and that kind of area as well.
	And there's a fascinating site up in the Sinai area called Serebel Kadim.
	I don't know if I've said that correctly.
	And it's a Hathor temple up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere.
	It's like several hours and snacks to get there.
	And that's where they were supposedly making the white powder gold.
	And that was, I think, Petri, one of the early discoverers and archaeologists in Egypt back in the early 1900s.
	They actually went there, did an expedition there, an excavation there, and they found these piles of this white powder.
	And it was later, some samples were saved years later and they tested it and found out it was actually monatomic gold.
	So it kind of proves they were using that.
	The pharaohs were deifying themselves with it way back then.
	So I'd like to, it'd be quite interesting to get a sample of that and check it out and see what it is.
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	I do want to announce that we have a chat room along with this radio show, so if you haven't already gone over there, I suggest that you do.
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	And at the same time, we also have a call-in number, which will be on the American Freedom Radio website, and we'll probably get that going as well shortly here, so people can call in and ask Hugh Newman questions.
	But in the meantime, Hugh, so...
	So, I think we were just talking about David Hudson, who is sort of dealing with the gold, the real gold ormus.
	There's other kinds of ormus out there, and there is some misleading information, I think, in regard to that, what's really gold and what's just other kinds of ormus.
	But Dave Hudson, apparently, he was at the UFO Science and Consciousness.
	I guess maybe you weren't there.
	No, I wasn't.
	Yeah, he's a fascinating guy.
	In fact, I am supposed to do an interview with him.
	I just haven't gotten over there to do that.
	But anyway, got a lot of interesting stuff going on with regard to that.
	So, have you found out more information about that or of any kind?
	It's really just the ancient use of it which I'm kind of interested in.
	I mean I have tried it myself a few times for a few months and testing it out and it's very interesting, amazing effects but I think the way, you know, I'm looking at it is that, you know, who were the people who were using it in the ancient times and who's quietly using it today?
	Like, you know, how is it a secret thing people are doing all over the world and governments are taking it?
	Who knows?
	but that'd be quite an interesting little investigation to find out.
	But I'm very interested.
	Well, you know, he, well, Dave Hudson, I mean, you know, take it or leave it, he basically feels that what's out there is not authentic in most cases.
	I'm not sure how he thinks he knows that, you know what I'm saying?
	But he is a scientist and seems to think that it's not such a common practice as people think it is to get hold of this stuff.
	So it's just an interesting kind of piece of information.
	Because it's like, I mean, it is widely available on the net.
	You can just buy it with PayPal and get it sent to you.
	I guess what he's saying is that they're lying about the content.
	I mean, you know, no offense or anything, you know, to the people out there.
	I don't know what If that's true, I'm just sort of relaying what he said.
	I'm certainly not in a position to know that kind of information.
	I think you'd have to analyze it, you know, and have a scientist analyze it.
	Yeah, I think you've got to get the real pure stuff and, you know, it had to, well, I did use it and test it out, you know, for, you know, scientific purposes, if you like.
	I was actually, I found it very powerful, the pure white powder gold um that just the recommended one on the net I should mention what it was but that even you know people like Lawrence Gardner were talking about it and other people who've researched it all thoroughly for many years and um so yeah I kind of I've no idea I don't know I wrote an article about it a few years ago because I was fascinated by this discovery at Cerebit Alkidim so they did quite a bit of research on it
	Just to check it out and you see but you look at start looking at gold producing cultures of the ancient world and you realize that you know what were they using the what was the gold for?
	Was it actually just because it was shiny and expensive or was it because it was like they were making this amazing you know you know old state kind of consciousness lifting substance which is actually really good for you as well.
	And it doesn't, you know, it doesn't really have that many side effects apparently, but it's a very interesting, you know, it could have been used shamanically as well, I think.
	Yeah, I'm sure it has been.
	It's not psychedelic or anything like that.
	It's like, just, you know, it just has an effect on you.
	It's not like a drug as such.
	It's a pure kind of substance that is just like a, almost like a food element we've not known about until you, you know, it's like, Maybe everyone was taking it in the ancient times and they were just having amazing experiences with it all the time.
	Well, my understanding is that it's actually, what it does is prolong the life of the body.
	That it's not for immortality on a spiritual sense, but it's more immortality on the material plane.
	And that's what the Anunnaki are using it for, and were using it for all those years ago.
	Not quite as Sitchin said.
	But that actually this is the mana from heaven, so to speak, and that, you know, but that is a materialistic view of the body and of spirituality.
	And, you know, again, for what it's worth to people, Ashyana Deen does talk about this as well, and the idea being that this is a negative path that is sort of choosing to sort of Prolong the body at all costs as opposed to understanding There's a different transmutation.
	There's a trans Sort of a sort of a transcendence that that overcomes The mortality of the body and then allows you to live in doubt, you know immortal as immortally in and and so
	It's a two-pronged path, actually, and this is what the service-to-self Anunnaki chose, the side of the path that they chose, which involved monatomic gold as their food of choice, if you will.
	That's the information I've got so far.
	I by no means feel that I have the final word on everything in that regard.
	I think that it bears a great deal more investigation to get to the root of all of it.
	But it certainly is a fascinating subject.
	And, you know, I think that Dave Hudson is on to something, from what I understand, something maybe even a step further than some of the people that Lawrence Gardner included, who was, I guess, was in touch with him.
	Um, and so on.
	So I, you know, and he's, that's a whole, I mean, there's lots of stuff going on behind the scenes here on planet Earth in that regard, I have to say.
	Obviously, Illuminati are very interested in continuing that practice, so to speak.
	That would be an understatement, right?
	Yeah, quite possibly.
	I mean, you know, what they really do want to do is live forever in their current form.
	I'm not sure why.
	I'm not sure they're all that attractive at the moment.
	They're not vampires, I don't think.
	No, but on the other hand, you know, they could probably use improvements at any rate.
	Yeah, great to try.
	Anyway, so, well, if you look at the, I don't know how much you studied Graham Hancock's work, because I know that you guys were in touch with each other, and I believe he's going to speak at your next, is he speaking at the upcoming one, or is it the one later? is he speaking at the upcoming one, or is it No, he's not speaking at, Anything, I don't think, with us this year.
	He was going to hopefully do the one in New England, but I think he's over in Australia around that time, so he can't do it.
	But we're going to be doing stuff and hopefully, yeah, he's always invited and Yeah, I just wondered if there was any if there was sort of any crossover going on between your work and his because in many ways that there seems that there is a natural crossover at least with his original work maybe not so much with the new you know the stuff that the direction he's going now.
	Yeah, certainly.
	I think the thing with Graham Hancock and his Fingerprint of the Gods, Heaven's Mirror and Underworld books, and the one about the Ark of the Covenant, they were like, especially Fingerprint of the Gods, it kind of opened up the door in a whole different way.
	All these subjects people have thought and felt about but never put it down like he'd done it because he was like writing a whole thing about this lost civilization.
	Didn't mention the A word, didn't mention Atlantis to write at the end.
	So it kind of was keep, you know, and it had an impact around the world and it opened up a lot of doors and he was connecting it all up.
	But, you know, a lot of the I mean, a lot of my Earthquids research fits in with his global connections that he was reporting on discovering.
	So yeah, there are crossovers for sure.
	I mean, it's almost like him and I think maybe John Michel, who sadly passed away a few years ago, the two authors that personally and for a lot of other people who kind of cracked it in various different ways.
	Different times, you know about you know insights into the way the ancients were living their mindset how advanced intellectual and spiritually advanced they were and and this whole kind of golden age era really, sort of looking back at that and sort of, you know, and using that as a template to go back to as well.
	And there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of, you know, you're coming back to this 2012 thing you mentioned earlier.
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	There's like the golden age back then.
	The end of the calendar is when steps...
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	Hugh, are you still there?
	I'm still with you, Carrie.
	Great.
	At any rate, at this moment, I think we were just talking right before the break about Graham Hancock and some of the books he'd written and how that might have sort of paralleled your work or at least maybe even inspired some of your work, right?
	Oh, absolutely, yeah.
	He was quite a big inspiration, to be honest with you.
	I mean, especially with the Earth Grids book that I wrote a couple of years ago, that kind of, some of his research, you know, with his permission was put in there, about his relative distances between sites around the world from Giza, and how they all were like 72 degrees, 144 degrees, all divisions of, you know, processional numbers.
	And that seemed to be encoded into the placement of sites around the planet suggesting they were using these sites and these codes in the placement of the sites and even within the construction and the numbers and measurement systems within them as well.
	So there's a whole other level of sophistication and again geomancy that we're dealing with here.
	So it seems like whoever built all these sites were master geomancers They had a high level knowledge of mathematics, surveying, they were amazing sailors and astronomers and they seemed to be advanced and spiritually as well and this is something that comes up when you look at South and Central America.
	This is something, again, Graham really inspired me about, and this was in Fingerprints of the Gods, about the Quetzalcoatl myth and legend of the plumed or feathered serpent in Mexico and Central America.
	And then right down, you know, a long way away in South America, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, you have the legends of Viracocha, which is exactly the same description as you get Central America, so there's obvious connections there.
	They always talk about these ancient gods, they were kind of long beards, they looked European or Nordic or something, long hair, very tall, you know, tens, ten thousand years ago maybe or less that they were, these legends seem to go back to.
	Who were these people?
	Were they the megalith builders?
	Were they travelling about?
	I don't know.
	I don't really know.
	I sort of want to investigate that because you get that in the Olmec world as well.
	You get all these bearded, long bearded kind of people in some of the carvings as well as the African looking heads as well.
	So there's a whole load of stuff.
	I'm very interested in that and diffusionism.
	But also there's this great energy line which fascinates me the most really.
	It seems to go all the way around the planet.
	There's two of them.
	There's one they call the Plume Serpent and there's another one they call the Rainbow Serpent energy currents.
	They're like great hoops of energy sort of magnetic energy that circle the planet and there seems to be evidence that the ancients knew about this and they harnessed these particular lines across whole continents and you can see that when you look at the sites and you know you can dowse these as well and find where these lines go.
	Right, well, I mean, what about the, I don't know if it's the, I don't know if there's, it's called, is it called the Michael and Mary Lines?
	Yeah, that's right.
	That is basically the Rainbow Serpent.
	Oh, I see.
	In England they're called the Michael and Mary Lines because there's lots of Michael and Mary churches and dedicated to, you know, along these particular sort of, they kind of weave in and out of each other.
	It's like one energy current, but they kind of weave in and out like a female and a male energy.
	Well, but the thing is that there is a thing about, uh, well, I, I, you know, those lines going through, for example, um, the cathedrals in France and the idea, um, that, that there's also, um, living on those ley lines, some of the lines, um, certain lines that are in essence, uh, sort of illuminati occult lines.
	Can actually disturb your energy field and create sort of never-ending negative events.
	Have you heard that?
	Yeah, I've heard, you know, theories and hypotheses about that, but I don't think that, you know, they might try and do things like that, but that's just like magic.
	That's like black magic or whatever.
	It's the same principle, you know, but The energy lines, if you think about what they are, they're like currents and they go on forever.
	They never stop.
	Forever, basically.
	These energies are constantly moving because the Earth's moving, because we're moving through the solar system, because the sun's hitting us.
	Unless all that stops, these energy lines aren't going to stop moving.
	They're stronger.
	They have their own energy thing.
	They're stronger than what people can put into them.
	You know what I mean?
	Intentions can go into them.
	People can do things like that, but...
	I don't know I mean I think there's um they kind of they sort of flush all that away like a stream of water will you know any kind of negativity.
	That's an interesting uh way way to look at it uh well you know there's also um I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Keith Hunter who I've interviewed a few times um I might have mentioned him to you he's English um actually and he's he's done a fair amount of study on
	Bruce Cathy, you know, sort of taking off from his work and he has sort of zeroed in on the fact that there are nuclear power plants built at the intersection of ley lines and that there are also bases where, for example, even, you know, portals are created by the connection of ley lines that connect at those point vortexes are created.
	And that the military have actually taken advantage of this and built some of their bases and so on.
	The one in the Negev Desert in Israel, for example, is one.
	I believe Men With Hill might be another one.
	And I believe that Pine Gap is on another intersection of ley lines.
	Have you ever gone down that road at all?
	Yeah, I mean, I've heard of that.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, the thing with Lay lines and earth energy currents, I mean there's so many of them everywhere that there's lots of places where major ones might meet up.
	It's really packed full of different type levels of energy, the whole earth is really, that affect us and so I'm sure they will do that consciously, yeah.
	I think But I think even unconsciously you get drawn to sites, places of power or somewhere that you feel good in, you feel comfortable in, so you have a kind of profound feeling in it and you know if you keep going back so when you start feeling that you're going to congregate there because that kind of energy is attractive you know you want to feel like that.
	So that I think we can intuitively sense and I'm sure the people in the military want to build their bases where it's most beneficial to them for whatever reason.
	You know I don't know I mean maybe it's they're harnessing the energy for something who knows but I mean a lot of the Bruce Cathy stuff is absolutely fascinating to be honest with you.
	I don't know if you've read any of his books they're very technical intense books to read.
	And really, they sort of blow your mind with the mathematics, but if you get the gist of it, it's quite remarkable what he's discovered.
	And I think in years to come, people like, you know, Keith Hunter will be, you know, people will realise, you know, what he's found.
	But we've seen a lot of us struggle with mathematics, which I don't think the ancients did.
	I think they had deep, natural understanding of natural mathematics and harmony, and that's part of links with astronomy and geomancy as well.
	There's a harmony and there's patterns and there's joy in like mathematics and numbers and working.
	You're almost using that as like a language.
	I think this is one way you can read ancient sites and you can read the connections between ancient sites, which is what Bruce Cathy was kind of doing, where you look at the language they were using and the only language which is universal
	Really through any epoch of time you know because even I can't understand French and that's the next country along and you know what I mean so a thousand years time I have a whole different type of language but mathematics never changes the same principles the same laws are always there and with geometry as well it's just the same there the principles and the logic and the fundamentals of it are always the same um so you will get that can be then used as
	like a language through time um and through space even through anything you know through vast because then principles won't change unless you have a dimensional shift or something you know numbers mean something different but i don't maybe that's what's going to happen in 2012 who knows Well, I think that there is, you're right, it is a sort of a secret language and having access to it can be very advantageous.
	I think a numerologist would also attest to that.
	Along those lines, there is, of course, I guess you met Willem de Swart.
	Who is working with Michael Tellinger and has written a book called The Secret Numbers of God which is again tapping into actually the ley lines and the numbers, the numerology associated with that.
	He even traces cities, the grids in cities and how they aren't accidental.
	And it's quite fascinating information.
	And again, that the ancients would have sort of tapped into that or were aware of it for a variety of reasons.
	Certainly, I have to say certain alien races, you know, who have been visiting Earth have been using that and actually, you know, handed it down to the humans that were on the planet, I think.
	So that's part of it.
	Yeah, I mean, there is certainly, you know, a lot of evidence to support that.
	But I mean, I think the thing with the way, you know, you mentioned cities, for instance, yeah, I mean, it's just this whole, this way we work, intuitively work with sacred geometry and harmonious mathematics is that
	We're kind of, there's a, we're born that, we are mathematics, we are geometry, you know, I mean it is everything that surrounds us, everything has that in it, so we have an intuitive sense of that but we're not taught that, we're taught like stupid things at school, you know, long division and calculations and you know, ten to four times table and stuff that isn't actually natural maths or geometry and
	So that's what's missing really and but I think you know a lot of people learn that later in life which is part of the sort of mystery school kind of tradition as well and so I think that's what's missing but I think Naturally, we would follow these laws and we would build and harmonize the landscape in a geomantic, geomancer's perspective.
	You know, we would do, we would work with that if we were allowed to grow in that way.
	I think it's within us, but we're so distracted and bombarded by so much other nonsense and, you know, energies and things like that.
	We've lost that kind of, we're so busy, you know, we've lost that kind of connection to that time and space that the ancients would have had to tune into this kind of stuff.
	Maybe so, but I think that there's also the sense that perhaps, as you said, it is natural.
	In other words, we're doing it intuitively.
	Builders do it intuitively.
	Good builders probably have a better grasp of it than ones that aren't good.
	Yes.
	So, yeah, I mean, it's absolutely a fascinating study.
	I've got a number of questions cropping up here in the chat, so if you didn't mind, I was going to go through those, unless you had anything specifically you wanted to address that we maybe haven't touched on just yet.
	I've got tons of stuff I could get into, but I'd like to, you know, get into these questions.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's totally okay.
	It's all up to you.
	We're kind of, I'm real flexible with that.
	So if something occurs to you and you think you need to tell people about it, then by all means, please, you know, sort of interrupt and go ahead and say so.
	But, because questions can obviously, you can appreciate it, they can go all over the map and they often do, but here we go.
	One, could you ask about gold found in the pituitary glands of the Egyptians?
	I don't know if that's something you would know about, because you're not really a... I've not heard about that, no.
	No, I probably can't comment on that, unless it was placed in there when... Wait, did they mean like gold, as in like... I think he means what they mean is if you ingest something constantly, then it may go into, you know, it actually may go into, you know, the the gland, the pituitary gland and other glands, that it may have residual.
	And when you have a sort of a mummified corpse, then if they did any sort of excavations and so on and analyzed the mummy, You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They could find traces.
	I don't know.
	If you ingest gold, I mean, it is possible, you know, it's certainly, it's actually an interesting line of research, but I think you would need to be asking somebody who does that sort of work, like an archaeologist, because that's not really your forte, right?
	Yeah, I can't really comment, but I'm sure if people are taking lots of white powder gold, you would get residues, but...
	I can't go any further.
	Okay.
	Somebody is saying they lived in a house of stone that was constantly struck by lightning.
	It would shoot out of the outlets and ball in the living room.
	Lightning in the day storms.
	Sold it.
	Other owners.
	No problems.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	I must have had an eventful life.
	What were they up to then?
	That's quite interesting.
	Because I mean I don't know what what was going on there because it could have been that um I mean some people are more you know magnetic or electric than others and can have an effect on their stone and surroundings quite easily and then the kind of energy about them but I mean it could be that the people who moved in afterwards had a natural geometric kind of sense and they kind of just you know you can kind of You know, intuitively rearrange your place in a harmony.
	You know, just a sense of harmony.
	You know what?
	You know, you can feel harmony.
	You don't quite know what it is.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, very interesting.
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	Okay, this is Jerry Passer from Project Hamlet with the Blower Radio.
	And we are talking to Hugh Newman.
	And we're actually taking questions from the chat at the moment.
	So I've got another question here.
	Hugh, are you with me?
	I'm with you.
	Okay, awesome.
	It says, let's see, what do stone towers have to do with energy?
	me.
	Stone Towers, I guess maybe they're talking about the Irish Round Towers or even there's a stone tower in Rhode Island, the Newport Tower.
	If that's what the person means then, well you get different effects.
	I mean like the Round Towers in Ireland are very tall, very thin, kind of you know maybe a hundred feet or more up some of them.
	And the research done by various people, Philip Callaghan, one of them, and several other people, I found that it kind of like, they act like antennas.
	This is what Callaghan came up with in the 70s and 80s during his period of research.
	And they kind of bring this kind of almost like solar energy or cosmic energy as well down through it.
	And it fertilizes the kind of landscape And you get again this lightning as well, you get lightning tends to attract the pointy things like that and some trees get it and some church towers and the last person talking about their house being
	Sort of a lightning zone as well and so yeah so they kind of act like that but they probably have other, I mean look at the obelisks in Egypt as well they kind of have obviously kind of male kind of you know fertility phallic energy that you get that a lot with you notice that a lot with the whole megalithic culture there's this whole fertility cult going on which is quite deep kind of underlying sort of philosophy with it which is something I've been researching
	And now these energies were perceived as like fertilizing energies, they would help the food grow, the livestock, give energy to us humans, it was like a sort of chi or chi energy or prana energy, same kind of principles.
	But this is the same as like the, you know, what is referred to probably as the earth energy as well.
	And so, yeah, these towers can have quite a powerful effect.
	And I think, again, it comes back to the geomantic mindset where you have to kind of... everything is built in harmony with the landscape, you know.
	And these towers were probably part of that.
	They were kind of, you know, building them to attract a certain type of energy to balance out an imbalance, you know.
	So, again, I think it could come back down to that as well.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Actually, I don't know if you're familiar with the tarot, but there is a tower card in the tarot.
	I mean, in the tarot, and it has lightning hitting it as part of the symbolism, at least in the tarot, the Crowley tarot that I'm familiar with.
	And that is the number 16, is the numerical equivalent.
	And what it symbolizes is, you know, sort of sudden and radical change.
	And the tower also has to do with symbolizing sort of, you know, a purification ritual of a certain kind.
	So there's also that.
	I'm sure the tower has other symbolism, like you said, the other ones that you referred to.
	You know, all of that, you know, affects energy and relates to energy.
	I think the fact that the tower card and the trope and the number 16, if you research the number 16, you find that even in the Chinese, you know, the Chinese astrology, the day 16, because I'm born on the 16th, so this the day 16, because I'm born on the 16th, so this is why I know things about the number 16, actually has to do with basically sort of radical purification type of
	Okay, sure.
	And fire energy as well.
	So let's move on to other questions here.
	Are there Merkabahs at these sites?
	And if so, what do you think they do?
	What purpose do they serve?
	Merkabahs, I assume the person is talking about ones around the body or around the sight?
	Yeah, I mean, there's definitely different energetic signatures there.
	Whether it's Merkabahs or not, I don't know, but people have DAOs.
	Um, various patterns, um, on where, often where, uh, earth energies will cross and, uh, where, you know, within a stone circle even.
	But, uh, whether that's actually a Merkabah, I don't know.
	Actually, I, I get a feeling they're referring to Dromelo Melchizedek's version of a Merkabah, where it's like a light vehicle around a body.
	Um, so if that's the case, I don't know.
	I think they're more kind of within ourselves.
	But, yeah, I hope that kind of answers it.
	Okay, yeah, it's kind of a wide open question.
	It's hard to say exactly what they're referring to.
	Humans can travel in Merkabahs.
	We can create them using light.
	So in a sense, a Merkabah is a light body construction.
	And so it depends on, you're right, exactly what they're talking about.
	They could also be talking about some ships or some visiting You know, just simply, what do they call those little lights that show up in all these places?
	Oh, well, earth lights or orbs and stuff like that.
	Orbs, yeah.
	So, it's orbs.
	Some people say, see Merkaba in orbs.
	Yeah.
	And so on.
	Okay, do certain musical frequencies help amplify the positive healing effects when they are played near or on these ley lines?
	Oh, that's an interesting point.
	Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of people go to sites or
	crossing points and they kind of do ceremonies and they sing and play music and some people say that um you know in Australia the aboriginal version of these kind of great distance lines were the song lines um and there's different interpretations of that and actually there's some research being done in England about that from this guy called Bob Trubshaw who's coming over to uh Megalithomania Glastonbury in May um but in Australia there's a whole philosophy based around that um
	It's something that, you know, quite a lot of researchers over there have been looking at.
	Alana Moore is one of the top geomancers over there.
	She's on a fantastic book called Stone Age Farming, which goes into a lot of this kind of, you know, earth energies research.
	And there's another guy called Rex Gilroy, who's been doing some fascinating work and finding very obscure sites and traditions that fit in with it.
	And we're actually thinking of going over there either later this year or earlier next year to do some megalithomania.
	We've been invited over there by a fascinating bunch of people, a guy called Adam Davis and a few others and French Stuart Mason who's over there.
	So yes, I think that's one of the reasons I actually want to go there, is to look at this kind of connection with what the Elbridge is meant by these songlines and whether it was connected with the earth energies.
	But you get, also you get archaeoacoustics which is, you know, coming from the other way with it, where the sites are built
	Rather than, you know, music was part of their construction because there's been a lot of research, Stonehenge is a good example, and Newgrange in Ireland, where they tested all the acoustics and sort of measured and found that the sites were built according to acoustic principles, as though they had an understanding and built them with that in mind, you know, as they were probably testing it with their voice as they were building it.
	And so when music and certain frequencies are played in these sites, They create this whole harmonic field like an energetic field of sound which has all these different elements to it so yeah there's definitely the music is a very big thing in the ancient world and there's actually a new article came out I've got that got posted today which maybe I can I'll find the link for it in the next break and tell people where that is which where they've done a lot of you know a lot of
	Okay, well that's fascinating.
	about the new science of archaeoacoustics, really. - Okay, well that's fascinating.
	I have to say that it was very famous to be in Steven Spielberg's, what do you call it?
	The movie that he did, um, and, and he, they used music with the UFOs on certain sacred sites.
	They had people gathered at sacred sites playing, you know, that famous Close Encounters theme.
	And, um, I have to say that I've always thought of That also in relation to for example Adams calendar where Michael Tellinger talks about the sound coming out of the stones I think he tested as a matter of fact a Stonehenge for sound frequency and found that that those set those stones also were extremely very acoustic sounding and so there is I mean, I don't think there's been enough research.
	I think you're quite right.
	There needs to be huge amounts of work done in that area and that we may actually find that there are tremendous healing effects that could be sent to large areas, even population centers, just by generating sound in sacred sites and then angling it towards population centers to where people would Could it actually sort of bathe in the great energy that's coming their way?
	I think it's something that was done at the time of Atlantis.
	I think it's something the powers that be do use.
	And I think a lot of that is hidden technology, in essence.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
	I've just found this The page, I really recommend people read this, this is popular-archaeology.com and just look in the March issue and you'll see a whole article about what we're talking about and it's quite up to date, just a few, like a week old or something like that.
	So yeah, people should have a look at that, so popular-archaeology.com.
	I'm not affiliated with this site at all, this is just Someone showed it to me, and in the March edition, yeah, it's well worth a read.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So, let me see, and again, I'm just going down the line here, Hugh, if you had something specific that, even in what we're talking about, strikes you that you want to bring up, you know, feel free to go ahead.
	Well, yeah, there's one little thing I could add.
	Yeah, when I was in Tres Zapotes in Mexico a couple of years ago.
	It's an Olmec site up on the Gulf Coast and extremely hard to get to but I did get there.
	Eventually and uh there's quite a few artifacts and stones some of the big African looking heads and you know there's even um it's one of the only places actually that has evidence that the Olmecs originated the Long Cancan the ones that ends in December the 21st 2012 it wasn't the Mayans the Olmecs got there first and taught the Mayans all that kind of stuff it's quite interesting that's that's where the evidence is but that's beside the point there's actually a large really odd shaped kind of
	Huge stone, like a great big ring or something.
	It's like six feet wide.
	It's made of what looks like dark volcanic rock, but it kind of curves around and stops, and there's a little gap, like these tubes.
	If there's anywhere I could post some images, I could do that.
	And I actually filmed it, and when you hit one of them, you have all these different acoustics.
	It's like it's hollow.
	It's a great big, solid chunk of rock.
	It's just like it's hollow, and you get this, you get this insight, this is something that Michael Fallenger was doing as well, you get this insight, it's all over the place, and it's like this magical kind of principle that they chose, they're sort of picking out, they're kind of sensing what bit of rock they want to build it with to create this sort of sound, sort of
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, I don't know if you've, you know, clicked on the chat at all, but you could certainly put a link in there or a number of links as we're talking for people to click on to take a look at what, you know, you might be referring to or anything else that you think that they might be interested in.
	Let's see, we have, I'm just going to go down some more questions here.
	Have you researched any Ley Lines energy areas in Canada?
	If so, where?
	Not quite.
	I've nearly got to Canada.
	I went up to New England.
	I went to West Chassis up in New York State, which is almost on the border.
	But no, I haven't, unfortunately.
	But I know there's gridlines and a lot of stuff going on there, and I'd be very interested.
	I'd love to have a look at any research about that as well.
	Yeah, very cool.
	Okay.
	By the way, have you ever, you know, I know that Graham Hancock did some undersea diving and discovered some fabulous megaliths, of course, off the shores of certain areas, certainly, you know, in, what do they call it?
	Well, where Atlantis could have been, then of course Alexandria and other places.
	And I just wondered if you, you know, I don't know if you do any diving, but have you thought of that?
	Yeah, I've done a bit of diving.
	I do actually really You know, I enjoy it actually, being in the water and everything.
	But yeah, there's a lot of research around England going on about that funding.
	They just launched recently a whole project they want to do, lots of different universities got together to actually study the coastlines and what's underneath.
	Because there's been, there's quite a lot of books out on this actually, where they think certain, you know, like England and France would have been joined together.
	The Isle of Man, which is a really interesting place I'm hoping to visit this spring, is, they think was connected with Wales, Ireland and England, and even Scotland as well.
	And there's actually a book called Atlantis in the West by Paul Dunbavin, and he talks about the fact that Lots of the Atlantis myths seem to point there rather than, you know, in the Mediterranean or, you know, the Bimini area or whatever.
	So that's a whole other interesting thing.
	So there's a lot of, a lot of research that hasn't been done yet about that particular subject.
	Yeah, I think that's fascinating too, personally.
	I just, I don't know why that really fascinates me.
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	Sorry, I was just reading something during the break in reference to a conference I'm going to be doing in Mount Shasta.
	God, okay.
	But at any rate, Hugh, we have more questions lining up here, and we could either do that.
	Nobody seems to be calling in on the call-in line, although it is there.
	We do, you know, have access to it if you want to do that.
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	And let's see, speaking about Shasta, have you ever been there and felt the energy there?
	No I haven't been there yet but I'm planning on coming over there this year at some point for sure.
	Okay yeah it would it would be great I wish you were coming uh for the Mount Shasta event it's it's during a certain kind of um Special conjunction, which I don't remember what exactly it is.
	I think they're calling it an eclipse, solar eclipse or something.
	And anyway, just kind of an interesting place, no doubt.
	And I was just, I would just be fascinated to hear your, you know, if you did your dowsing and so on, because it is said, of course, that there is an ET base inside the mountain.
	I guess you must have heard that, right?
	Yeah, I've heard about that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, very interesting stuff going on.
	Let's see, I'm not sure this has to do with anything that you would relate to, but what do caves have to do with meditation?
	That's a good question, yeah.
	I think it's just the case that you block everything out, isn't it?
	That's what you want when you meditate, you want to kind of just be in a sort of like a neutral space.
	We can just be totally present.
	So that's why I believe and yeah, I think it's a sense of Safety and and you know sort of hiding within the earth I think that's quite you know, but I don't know if it's an energetic thing It's kind of energetic what I said with these and so yeah Okay, I'm actually going to skip around to questions that seem a little more targeted to your research.
	There's one here that's quite interesting.
	Why are mountains called dragon lines in Feng Shui?
	Is there a connection to aliens living in the mountains?
	Uh, I don't think mountains are called dragon lines.
	I think the dragon lines are, I might be wrong, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think, um, the dragon lines are like the energy currents, like the serpent currents or the earth energy currents, different culture, you get different versions of it, um, and the mountains are kind of like, um,
	I mean, the thing that interests me about, you know, is that they used to shape mountains and change the shape of the landscape physically to kind of affect the energies.
	So, whether dragons are associated with ETs or whatever, I don't know.
	I don't, I personally don't think so.
	I think Um it's more I mean a lot of people have said that on ancient aliens and different things and um flying dragons but like UFO crafts and whatever but you know I think it's more of a subtle kind of philosophy and their work and they're so tuned into these lines they can almost see them like serpents and dragons moving about and you get these dragon myths as well you get them in England as well as over in the far east and in other places around the world um
	Where there's a build-up of this negative energy, this negative earth energy and underground water, these geomantic stress points, that would be represented as dragon and dragon energies.
	And you get these stories about dragons fighting each other and clashing and George killing the dragon, where really they were just harnessing the energies and subduing the energies so they were harmonious.
	And so there's all this symbolism That gets turned into these stories which people think are actually stories it will actually they're actually talking about the earth energies and different subtle you know that people are such a deep imagination back there's no TV there's no media there's no telephones even nothing and so isolated communities so you
	And there'll be no light pollution, no sound pollution, and you'll be able to go into this tuned-in state and sense all these energies.
	But I'm not dismissing that there's, you know, underground bases and stuff like that, I'm sure.
	I'm sure there is.
	Maybe they're all going to come out in the end of 2012.
	Okay, let's see, what else do we have here?
	Uh, well, Renly Chateau, someone is asking, uh, there's a large Jewish Kabbalah stone that ties to the mystery.
	Do you know anything about that or the ritual Kabbalah stone?
	No, I've got no clue about that.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	I'm just having a look through this forum as well.
	There's quite a lot of activity there, isn't there?
	One of the questions that caught my attention was about the levitation of stones.
	I'd love to be able to do that.
	That would be very cool.
	You probably, you know, if you can suss that one out.
	I mean, this is something that, in Coral Castle, down in Homestead, in Florida, the Edward Leigh Scownings.
	I went there recently, actually, a couple of months, about a month ago.
	You did?
	Yeah, yeah, I was down there, and that is absolutely mind-blowing.
	Have you been there?
	No, I've always been fascinated to hear about it, so it is mind-blowing, huh?
	It's worth going to.
	It's worth it.
	It's odd.
	I mean it's like a tourist site now but this guy had somehow harnessed the energy there to kind of construct this massive megalithic temple with over a thousand tons of rock from the local bedrock and no one saw how he did it.
	He always worked at night alone and some of these blocks are like 30 tons.
	He just lifted them up Moved them, carved them, with no electricity, nothing.
	So, you get this kind of stuff happening even in the 1930s and 40s.
	So, he had the secrets of the ancients somehow.
	So, I mean, there's a lot to be said, to be honest with you, for telekinetic powers and mind over matter.
	I mean, I think people underestimate the power of the mind and also how weak gravity is.
	Um, do you know what I mean?
	So there's like, um, you know, gravity is a very weak force if you actually think about it.
	It's, you know, it's, you know, it's not that strong.
	It's really not much less.
	It's not much to defy it and kind of, you know, have an anti-gravity device.
	It's not that much, you know, it's strange.
	We think it is, but You know, the force itself isn't that strong.
	It's just because that force, combined with a massive bit of rock, make that rock appears that heavy.
	But if you just change that slight force of gravity just a little bit, so it balances out into neutral, that rock becomes nothing.
	See what I mean?
	Just like that.
	Yeah, that's interesting.
	Yeah, very, very interesting.
	Well, I think that the person, the question that I'm seeing is also talking about using sound to levitate stone.
	Yes.
	Yeah, no problem.
	And I think that, you know, that is also, I mean, obviously the sound, the mind, using the mind, using sound.
	I think the Egyptians, ancient Egyptians certainly did that with building the pyramids.
	I have actually seen that in my mind's eye, that process at work, and I'm pretty convinced that that is, you know...
	That is legitimate.
	So, yeah, I mean, there's so many, your work and what you've gotten into this whole area has so many different facets that go into the higher mind, that go into, you know, meditation and sort of connecting with us on a spiritual level, but also science.
	So it's really quite a fascinating sector that this whole I don't think people really realize what the amount of knowledge contained in ancient sites and in ancient stones, in their ability to change you and even your energy just by going there.
	Absolutely, I agree.
	I think this is, to be honest with you, this is what got me into it.
	You know, it's not, you know, people are megalithomaniacs, you know, that is a real phenomenon, you know, seriously, you know, people think I'm mental when I say this, but there is a phenomenon of, like, people who get compelled by these stones, these ancient sites, because they know there's, like, these hidden secrets and knowledge and wisdom within it.
	There's much more than meets the eye and, you know, people find that a bit odd, but I mean, Jean-Michel was writing, wrote a book called Megalithomania Let's use the name.
	And so this is, you know, this is why we do the conferences, why we do the tours, because there's like people compelled for all these different reasons.
	And it's not just the boring kind of standard archaeology kind of stuff, you know.
	There's a whole other dimension, several dimensions of study and, you know, and feeling these energies and tuning in and all this other stuff.
	So, yeah, and we like to keep it open really.
	We're not We're not sort of closed-minded, academic style.
	We kind of do what, you know, whatever we think is really fascinating and all the latest research and, yeah, you can't come over this year.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, you know, it's not set in stone.
	To be honest, at the moment, I just, I do have speaking engagements happening.
	Like I said, going to Mount Shasta, I think is the 16th, 17th, 18th of May.
	I don't know when your event is offhand.
	It's not, the dates aren't in front of me.
	It's just before that.
	It's the 12th and 13th we're doing it, but it basically clashes because we're doing a load of stuff after that.
	Right.
	And that would be a pity, you know, and obviously I can't race across the Atlantic so easily and then race back.
	Sure, absolutely, yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, there will be other times and other events, I'm sure, and I do plan to reconnect with you guys and follow your work.
	I'm very happy that you were able to come on the show today, Hugh.
	Why don't you give out your information?
	You can find the ad to click on to get over to his site on the front page of Camelot, but go right ahead.
	Well, it's just megalithomania.co.uk forward slash Hugh Newman.
	So I think it's all on your website anyway, I think.
	So people can just check out what I'm up to.
	And people can watch the conference online, like the live streams that you do.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	People can join in.
	Thank you, everyone.
	Have a great night.
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