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01/18/2012 - Jim Fetzer

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door Stretched out and purring
	Waiting for more Strange shade of scum Deep cat eye green No way to escape No one hears my scream He's come here so often Just when I'm alone I can't help the longing I'll feel any more He's a Jaguar
	And it is Wednesday night in January, January 18th.
	He's a jack.
	We're going to cast a Project Camelot with the Blower Radio.
	And it is Wednesday night in January, January 18th.
	And we have a very interesting guest with us tonight, James Fetzer.
	And I'm going to actually let him introduce himself, go over a bit of his bio for you.
	And I'm very honored to have you on the show tonight, James.
	AND, And you have a very interesting background, I think, and I'm not even sure that all of it is out there, I'm going to be honest with you.
	Well, Kerry, it's great to be back with you.
	I'm very pleased.
	I am a former Marine Corps officer.
	I earned my PhD in the history and the philosophy of science.
	I spent 35 years teaching courses principally in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning.
	I have done a huge amount of research on JFK, including publishing three collections of Scholarly articles by experts on different aspects of the case.
	I chaired or co-chaired four national conferences and I've given hundreds and hundreds of interviews on that subject.
	I'm also the founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
	I edited its first book, organized its first conference, produced its first DVD.
	I've been flown around the world to talk about 9-11, one of the most interesting Events being flown with my wife to Athens for a week all expense paid to appear on a television program for three and a half hours where I was the featured guest which was broadcast worldwide by satellite.
	So those are some of the bare bones.
	Okay, well, yes.
	Incredibly impressive, I have to say.
	And I don't know if you're aware of my newest interview, but we have a new whistleblower on Camelot.
	His name is Bill Wood, and that's not his real name.
	But he is talking about 9-11 in a part of the interview, and so you will find that very interesting, coming from an ex-Navy SEAL, and his exposure to some of those aspects.
	Good.
	Very good.
	Yes.
	So, at the moment though, what had drawn my attention to you, at least recently, was an article that you and Joshua Blakeney, is that how you say his name?
	Blakeney.
	Okay, had written, and it was basically a possible US-Israeli false flag with Iran.
	And I have the articles, in fact I have several articles that we're going to be discussing here tonight on this show listed on my blog.
	For those of you who are listening, go to ProjectCamelot.org and click on Carrie's blog.
	And just scroll down, you'll see the links there, which is, you know, if you want to follow along and be able to read some of those articles.
	So if you wouldn't mind sort of summarizing the article for the people listening, some of whom may not have read your article, although it's been posted on my blog for several days now.
	Well, I gotta say, Kerry, that's the only article of mine I've ever known to absolutely go viral.
	That has been all, I mean, literally all over the world.
	It's just, it's had over 10,000 hits just on veterans today and it's been published on international networks and everywhere.
	What happened here is, of course, we're all very concerned about Iran.
	The estimates have it that an attack on Iran's nuclear sites would kill a million Iranians outright.
	And that the cloud of contamination as it spread across Afghanistan, Pakistan and India would bring about another 35 million premature deaths.
	Now, even more startling than that, Kerry, is that there are recent studies suggesting that the amount of serious contamination that would be exposed to the atmosphere is going to circle the globe.
	And that this event could actually bring about the extinction of the human species.
	Now, evolution is one of my areas.
	Two of my most recent books are on evolution.
	One is entitled, The Evolution of Intelligence, and is about the emergence of human mind from higher primate mind, from animal mind, and so forth.
	The other is entitled, Render Unto Darwin, where I talk about Evolution versus creation science and intelligent design and so forth, but also about the nature of morality, abortion, stem cell research and cloning.
	But what I can say is that this is the kind of utterly irresponsible action that has to be driven by fanatics.
	Joshua Blakeney is doing a great deal of research on the origins of the war on terror and he's tracing back to a book published in 1978 edited by Benjamin Netanyahu who was already outlining a plan to dismantle all of these major Arab states and reduce them to little statelets along the ethnic and sectarian lines so they would wind up battling among themselves Iran had...Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.
	It had to do with the Israeli desire not to have a countervailing, sophisticated, modern Arab state which had a national healthcare system, national public education, reliable Infrastructure providing water and electricity, none of which is true today.
	Artifacts and antiquities dating back thousands of years.
	Something that has simply astounded me is how evangelical Christians could be so enthusiastic about, you know, these wars in the Middle East and wanting to reach the apocalypse or the end days.
	I mean, the Tigris-Euphrates Valley, for example, in Iraq, is the home of the mythical Garden of Eden.
	We have just coated it with depleted uranium.
	And remarkably enough, when Christopher Busby, who's a Scottish biologist and expert on cancer research, went to Fallujah to determine the origin of the genetic abnormalities, I mean, we have One quarter of a Reiki pregnancies are resulting in stillborn.
	Three quarters of those born live, major birth defects.
	I mean, serious stuff.
	I saw a photograph just the other day of a child that had ten arms and legs.
	I mean, this is unbelievable.
	Yeah, it is terrible, Carrie.
	And once it gets into the genes, you see, it's ineradicable.
	You can't change it.
	You just have to cut off the reproduction of those gene lines.
	But if it's Most of the Iraqi population, then you're talking about a group of people that are going to be unable to reproduce at the rate of replacement, which means they're going to become a vanishing population.
	Ironically, studies have shown, this is also true in Israel, that Israel isn't reproducing at the rate of replacement.
	So that Israel, too, has a shrinking population.
	And I don't know how many of your listeners are aware of this, or would be shocked to hear it, but there are a lot of students of Israel and International Affairs who believe in the Samson Option, which is that Israel, which has 200 to 600 nuclear weapons, has them implanted in embassies all over the world, and that it's the Israeli policy that if the state of Israel is going to go down, it's going to take the rest of the world with it.
	So it's, you know, very scary stuff we're dealing with here.
	The idea of attacking Iran is completely insane.
	Not only does Iran have no nuclear weapons, but it hasn't invaded any other country for 300 years.
	It doesn't have any bases.
	It has a military budget of about 8 million, 8 billion dollars.
	Ours is around a trillion.
	We have 800 bases around the world.
	Just since 1979, when the People's Revolution restored, you know, a form of democracy to Iran, which we had taken from them when Kermit Roosevelt engineered the first CIA destabilization against a democratic government.
	Iran has attacked no other nation but in that same period of time the United States has engaged in military actions against 60 other nations.
	And it turns out, Kerry, and this is profoundly disturbing, A member of the representative of the American Enterprise Institute recently reflected that this really has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, that it has to do with Iran having an increasing sphere of influence in the Middle East, but it appears that the situation is even different than that.
	Namely, That Iran, working on the peaceful use of nuclear energy, is becoming, you know, planning to specialize in marketing the kinds of fuel rods that are necessary to maintain nuclear reactors around the world, that they could do so at a cheaper price and take the market from The American nuclear energy industry.
	So that what really this is all about is that the American nuclear energy industry does not want to have to compete with Iran, which would take most of the business from all of third world China, Russia, and other countries.
	So that what's really going on is that...
	It's another example of monopoly capitalism.
	Adam Smith articulated five principles for free markets.
	None of them are true of the United States today.
	All this talk about free markets and capitalism is complete rubbish.
	It's just propaganda.
	And those who are promoting it on the Republican side, if they understand the nature of economics, realize it's a complete myth.
	It's just a political posture.
	Right.
	Well, let's get back to this idea of a nuclear thing being a motivation for invasion of Iran at this time, because it is said that what happened at Fukushima was actually also the nuclear industry getting involved there, to where the Japanese were
	Apparently, going to interfere with the nuclear option, possibly going to a form of free energy even as a society, or investigating some other options, and the nuclear energy, the nuclear sort of moratorium, whatever you want to call that, interfering and having to do with the bombing of Fukushima.
	Well, Israel is highly punitive, Kerry, and my understanding was Fukushima may have been brought about by the Israelis introducing their Stutniks worm, you know, into the computerized system so that they would freeze up the cooling system and cause a meltdown, which of course is what came to pass, but that they were doing this because Japan has spoken out for Palestinian independence and for a Palestinian state.
	I don't think you None of us should underestimate that we are talking here about a nation that believes in the God of the Old Testament, who says, vengeance is mine.
	This is not a God of love and compassion, such as we find, you know, represented in the New Testament.
	This is a very terrible, demanding, authoritarian God who will destroy whole cities, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, if he believes the inhabitants are not, you know, acting in accordance with his preferences.
	It's very clear on theological grounds that the preferences of the God of the Old Testament are highly arbitrary and tyrannical.
	I understand, but we could actually go down that road to maybe even in areas where I don't know that you've even investigated, although it would certainly be interesting to hear your point of view in terms of whether or not you've ever investigated the Sitchin material, etc.
	Because when people look at Israel, there's a lot more there than meets the eye, as I'm sure you appreciate.
	And if you're talking about so-called gods, then we're really talking about an Anunnaki race of so-called gods that were in that area and may perhaps, in fact, be influencing the way that things are conducted in Israel.
	Out in the Negev Desert, it is said that there is a time travel portal in what appears to be a nuclear power plant, but is much more than that.
	Well, I can't say that I'm a believer in time travel, but were you talking about the Akanashi Jews, who are generally regarded as the purest group within, and who do have... Well, actually, I guess it's the others, which are, I forget the name of it, which are the, is it Kadashan?
	Akazarian?
	Kazarian?
	All I'm saying is that the drama playing out in the Middle East goes back even before the time of Atlantis, and certainly to the time of Atlantis.
	So what we have is a drama that is playing out now in a different form, but it's the same drama.
	And this is where it gets pretty convoluted.
	But what I would like to do with you is first of all, because we're kind of going all over the map here, is get you to talk a little bit more about the theory and how this sort of Israeli ex-secret agent
	wrote this article positing a possible false flag that US and Israel were going to be deploying on Iran and then how you guys kind of went into this idea that this ship that's being kind of clandestinely kept off the radar and then moved into the Middle East that was supposed to be put on, I don't know what you call it, but it was put out to pasture, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, what we're talking about is the Vincennes, which was an Aegis-class cruise missile ship that was put into early retirement in Bremerton, Washington, and I have sources Who let me know that something was going on here that was very odd.
	It wasn't being treated like an ordinary ship.
	It had been taken out in the dead of night and removed and that, you know, given all the concerns about the practice in which the Israel, by the way, specializes in false flag attacks.
	I mean, the country was born in terrorism and false flag attacks, such as the blowing up of the King David Hotel by Israeli terrorists dressed as Arabs.
	But that this ship might be a particularly useful, symbolic target because it had shot down an Iranian aircraft and killed hundreds of people, including 66 children.
	So that if this ship happened to be in the vicinity of Iran, if The American or the Israeli forces were to blow it up.
	It would be very easy to convince the world that it was because this was the Vincennes that had been in that role historically and that everyone would simply accept that explanation and not pause to consider That this would be an action by Iran that would invite national annihilation.
	So what we're talking about would be really like a suicidal act on behalf of Iran.
	It's just like the reason why, even if Iran actually had some nuclear weapons, which I happen to believe it's perfectly entitled to possess.
	that having them wouldn't be something that could promote aggression.
	They could never use them for offensive purposes without risking national annihilation.
	Okay, we'll be right back.
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	- We'll go to the distance in your eyes. - This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	We're talking to Jim Betzer, and we were just talking about possible false flag, an article that Jim has written with Joshua Blakeney, and we were going into some of the details of that article, The link is on my blog.
	I do want to say that we have a chat room going on this show that you can ask questions if you put them in caps in the chat room.
	We'll try to get to your questions and the other thing is we also have a call in line.
	The phone number is 218-339-8525.
	And, uh, Jim Fetzer, we were just talking about this ship that, uh, that you say is kind of supposed to have been retired, but then somehow you, has been traced.
	Um, right.
	There's an official report.
	It's supposed to have already been scrapped.
	All right.
	It's supposed to have already been scrapped, which is very odd because this was, uh, the first in a new generation of these, uh, guided missile cruisers.
	And it's a very sophisticated ship.
	It's like it's got module components.
	So there's no really good reason why it should have been scrapped.
	In fact, it's estimated time of service was supposed to extend until 2025.
	Now, you're mentioning about this Israeli intelligence officer, Avi Perry, who wrote in a January 9th Jerusalem Post article about a forthcoming Pearl Harbor scenario in which Iran's going to launch a surprise attack on the U.S.
	Navy.
	But he's clearly talking about A false flag attack.
	This is reminiscent of, remember, the Maine when the battleship blew up in Havana Harbor.
	The Hearst newspapers fanned the fires and it led to the Spanish-American War, but there was never any proof that, in fact, it hadn't merely, say, been an accident that a boiler had blown on the ship.
	Now, you know, after 9-11, Which was a massive false flag attack involving elements of the American government in collusion with the Mossad.
	We have to be very wary of what's going on here.
	And the Vincennes turns out to be a perfect choice symbolically because it's not only this sophisticated Ticonderoga class Aegis guided missile cruiser but In terms of its history, on July 3rd, 1988, it shot down Iranian Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killed 290 civilian passengers, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children.
	So that, as I was suggesting before, you know, if it were to blow up and be blamed on the Iranians, the story you'd get right up front, you know, immediately, Just as many of you may or may not remember, but on 9-11, well, before the second tower had been blown to pieces, they were already flashing images of Palestinians who were supposed to be rejoicing, carried that cane out of archival footage that had been shot, you know, many years before.
	Yes, I had seen that.
	Yeah, and one of the anchors then actually said, and I was stunned when I heard it, that responsibility had been claimed by the Popular Front For the liberation of Palestine.
	I mean, how absurd.
	I mean, if ever there were a population that would have been unable to pull off something like that or would have had less motive for doing so, it would be the Palestinians.
	Absolutely.
	Well, it's all very, very convoluted.
	But at this moment, this idea about the ship.
	Now, I would like to drill down a little bit into this Israeli ex Well, I guess member of the Mossad, is that what you're saying?
	Is that his background?
	Because I don't understand how he can come out in the Jerusalem Post and say such a thing and still be alive.
	Well, I don't know his state of health today.
	Yeah, he's a former Israeli intelligence officer, so, you know, that could be army intelligence, but may very well be Mossad.
	And it may be that they wanted to plant the idea, you see, to plant the idea of another, you know, how many times are we going to have these new Pearl Harbors, right?
	George W. was talking about 9-11 as a new Pearl Harbor, I think, before, you know, The events were over.
	I mean, Building 7 didn't come down until 5.20 in the afternoon.
	And, you know, it was very clear that there was a political agenda, and this was being used as the fuse that would ignite what turned into be the War on Terror, which, of course, is a way, you see, of compensating for the demise of the Soviet Union.
	If you don't have a big, powerful opponent, Like the Soviet Union that's going to drive the military industrial assembly line, producing more weapons and armaments, more planes and tanks, then you need some other alternative.
	And what could be better than to instill fear into the American people by a very dramatic Catastrophic event like 9-11 to justify a war on terror against shadowy terrorist groups.
	I mean, we're hearing more and more about these shadowy terrorist groups.
	We get these, you know, the crotch bomber on the airplane.
	We get this other guy in New York City.
	And it's also flimsy and insubstantial.
	In fact, Kevin Barrett has calculated that you're more likely to be killed by being struck by lightning than you are to die in a terrorist attack.
	They are imposing all of these methods of surveillance.
	I mean, you know, flying used to be such a pleasure.
	You could greet your friends at the gate and all that.
	Now you have to go through this arduous process.
	You have to go through scanning machines whose effects radiologically turn out to be very serious.
	In fact, we're getting reports of strikingly high percentages of Transportation Security Agency personnel who are developing forms of cancer.
	And you know, some of the techniques they're using are utterly incredible.
	Like there was an 80-year-old woman who was in a wheelchair who was forced to remove her diaper.
	What could justify that?
	Americans are not terrorists.
	This is just ridiculous.
	This plan with the National Defense Authorization Act, which really puts the cap on everything Sort of focuses the mind if you will on on the idea that what we're moving into more than ever and it's not now It's not just sort of a vague Cliché.
	It's really a Nazi sort of a country that is really run by Nazis and orchestrated.
	And certain events are going to be orchestrated this year.
	That's why this is particularly interesting and why it is that this particular X is, you know, intelligence.
	Is there such a thing as an X intelligence agent?
	I mean, you know, we know in America, if you say you're X CIA, you're always CIA.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So if it's a planted story, I mean, you know, it works just as well.
	In fact, the latest intel I have on the Vincennes is that it's actually in the Mediterranean Sea.
	Lobbing shells against this so-called Iron Dome that the United States is constructing over Israel to protect it from the barrage of missiles that are expected to be launched against it if it goes ahead with an attack on Iran.
	I'm sorry to say this is not very reassuring.
	And of course Obama gave this massive collection of these huge bunker-busting Bombs to Israel in the last year or so.
	I mean, this guy has turned out to be a bigger warmonger than George W. Bush.
	I cannot believe it.
	Carrie, I was a huge fan of Obama as a candidate.
	I gave him $100 five different times and it wasn't the same $100.
	I thought he would repeal the Patriot Act.
	I thought he'd rescind the Military Commissions Act.
	I thought he'd close Guantanamo.
	I thought he would, you know, bring our forces home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
	The next thing I knew, he was saying 35,000 more to Afghanistan.
	The CIA is running the biggest drug running operation in the world.
	They're protecting the poppy crops.
	We appear to be going after this world's greatest deposit of lithium, which is used in, you know, electric car batteries and in computers and as components in certain types of bombs, which is also in Afghanistan.
	And we have troops coming back.
	There's a staggering percentage of our forces who are committing suicide.
	I don't think that a phenomenon of this caliber has ever been experienced in relation to any war that we've ever been involved in.
	But we're slaughtering, slaughtering innocent civilians, old men, women, children, and it just takes an enormous emotional toll.
	On any young man or woman who has been raised to actually believe in what this country is supposed to stand for, but which, alas, it no longer does.
	Absolutely.
	Well, let me just ask you, you know, while we talk about this particular article, because I wanted to find out a little bit more about your co-author.
	Is this just somebody that you've worked with in the past?
	Is this somebody who came forward because they had an idea?
	I mean, how did that whole happen?
	Well, Joshua's a very sophisticated young man.
	He's a journalist for Veterans Today.
	And I think actually he was writing for Veterans Today before Gordon Duff, who's a senior editor, invited me to write for Veterans Today.
	He's a 9-11 truth activist.
	He's a member of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which I founded back in 2005 and invited Steve Jones to be my co-chair.
	And we just found we have an awful lot of mutual interest.
	In fact, it turns out it was an international journalist who suggested to him that she believed that the 9-11 movement was not, you know, giving the views I had done sufficient consideration.
	And Josh started looking into that and found that he agreed with what I was doing.
	I mean, the oddity here, Kerry, is that I'm a professional scholar.
	I've published hundreds of articles.
	I've founded international journals.
	I've done a huge amount of editing.
	I've published 29 books.
	I mean, if you take somebody who's got a professional background like mine into an area where most of the research, or an awful lot of it, is by amateurs who really don't know the proper standards of scholarship or how to conduct serious research, it won't be surprising if I come to conclusions that are at odds with those who are maybe most influential in the movement.
	And as a consequence, I am attacked for many false reasons.
	I mean, people who don't actually know my views.
	And yet I believe that, you know, those who are paying attention realize that the arguments I've been giving are actually better and are being supported by new developments.
	And this includes a kind of a mythology that swept through the 9-11 movement in mid to late 2006.
	Where Steve Jones was maintaining that nanothermite was the key to explaining what happened to the Twin Towers.
	Now, nanothermite never seemed to me to be a very plausible candidate for that.
	I mean, there is a classic thermite used to demolish weapons like artillery because it burns at an intensely high temperature and it will melt the mechanisms for firing artillery and so forth.
	But the idea that it could be the key to, you know, the destruction of the Twin Towers was something that I never believed.
	I even asked Steve in June at the American Scholars Conference in 2006 in Los Angeles, where Alex Jones was organizing, where C-SPAN came and did this interview of an hour and 45 minutes of four members of scholars.
	I mean, the first was Steve Jones, physicists, BYU, Bob Bowman, You know, Hero of the Korean War, 101 Combat.
	He has a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from Caltech.
	Webster Tarpley, who is one of our nation's leading experts on covert activities and author of 9-11 Synthetic Terror Made in the USA and me, as a founder of Scholars.
	And, I mean, all four of us were, you know, members of the same organization, and Steve chaired it, and then they ran it about seven times in reasonably good time slots for CNN, and I think it was that event that shattered the glass ceiling.
	But while we were there, one morning, it was, I think it was Saturday, I asked Steve in the lobby around noon, I said, Steve, are you sure that nanothermite could do all these things, you know, destroy the concrete, decimate the steel, blow the buildings apart?
	He assured me, oh yes, it could.
	We eventually had a parting of the ways later that year because I was convinced that he was giving an exaggerated report, and I was becoming interested in alternative theories, which I thought deserved study, including the idea of some kind of directed energy weapon that Judy Wood was advocating.
	But even his supporters, who thought that they were scientific, ...didn't believe they already had the answer and that they didn't need to consider alternative theories, whereas my attitude was precisely the opposite.
	So we split at the end of 2006.
	Well, eventually I became part of a very small research group, including a very sophisticated chemical engineer who works for NASA.
	Now, his research had nothing to do with NASA, but he could deal with the technical literature here, and he discovered that it's a principle in materials science.
	That for an explosive to detonate, destroy a material, it has to have a detonation velocity equal to the speed of sound in that material.
	Well, it turns out the speed of sound in concrete is 3200 meters per second.
	In steel, it's 6100 meters per second.
	And it turns out nanothermite only has a detonation velocity of 895 meters per second.
	What this means is there's no way that nanothermite could even, you know, demolish the concrete, much less the steel, so it couldn't possibly explain what happened on 9-11.
	And what's odd about this is that just this past year, ten years after 9-11, in Toronto, there were what were called the Toronto Hearings, and even though Mark Hightower and I had jointly published several articles about this, and that some scientifically-minded members of the 9-11 community, including Dwayne Dietz, who is a senior research scientist for NASA, interestingly enough,
	Agreed with us completely and even provided a diagram that showed, you know, the relative velocities required to bring about these destructive effects.
	They didn't even acknowledge that their principle theory that they were discussing at the Toronto hearings was indefensible, that it had already been shown to be false.
	And if you want to go one place, I mean, an article that I published, in collaboration with Marcus and Title, is 9-11 truth based on a false theory.
	But anyone who goes to Veterans Today, just put in Veterans Today, Comet Jim Fetzer, you'll find a lot of other stuff I've written on 9-11.
	Okay, that's very valuable.
	Well, you know, I appreciate that.
	I'm not sure about which weapon took down the Twin Towers.
	I thought it basically was a scaler weapon in sort of collusion with You may very well be right, Carrie.
	down.
	It was a demolition.
	You may very well be right, Carrie.
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	Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Muscle Bloor Radio.
	And we have James Spetzer with us on this broadcast tonight.
	Before we get back to our subject matter, I just want to announce that we are going to have a Bill Wood Q&A on livestream on Tuesday night at 7 p.m.
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	So please do stay tuned for that.
	Jim, what we were talking about was obviously the detonation of the Twin Towers, but what I'd like to do is kind of circle back around and get to the subject at hand, because we're really looking at a potential false flag with Iran, and I see on Veterans Today that there is a new article basically saying that Well, I mean, the way they termed it, it's Bob Nichols said, Iran signs its own death warrant.
	And I wonder if you could comment on that article on the idea that has to do with uranium And the big business that uranium is in the US, can you address that?
	Yeah, certainly.
	I think it's quite a brilliant article.
	It was he who put his finger on the motivation of the American nuclear energy industry to want to subvert Iran's development of its own nuclear energy industry because Iran could produce
	uh... enriched uranium nuclear fuel rods for peaceful nuclear production of energy around the world cheaper more cost effectively than could the american nuclear fuel industry and he's suggesting that this in fact is the real reason that is underlying the desire to attack iran uh... however the iranian nuclear
	Enrichment programs are distributed over 80 different sites in Iran.
	And as Bob Nichols reports there, the amount of contamination that would be brought into the atmosphere from the attacks, comprehensive attacks on these nuclear facilities, would be sufficient not just to kill the population of Iran,
	But actually bring about the extinction of the human species on Earth so that, you know, we get these knuckleheads who are making political decisions who have no comprehension or understanding of the evolutionary ramifications of their actions.
	I mean, this BP disaster in the Gulf Coast is a perfect illustration.
	I mean, it has the Potential and may you know to extinguish all the lower forms of life in the in the in the Gulf Coast and of course everyone who's familiar with the great food chain recognizes that as soon as you disrupt any level in the food chain that all these species at higher levels are destined for extinction I mean, I think, you know, the deliberate use of Correxit by BP was a crime against humanity.
	It was basically poisoning the Gulf.
	It has, to the best of my knowledge, destroyed the Gulf shrimp there so that I would personally never knowingly consume any Gulf Coast shrimp.
	I think that would be a very serious hazard.
	This Correxit is very toxic stuff.
	And the way BP was allowed to control, you know, the cleanup and even investigation was completely disgusting.
	I mean, BP was outgunning the local and state authorities here in terms of what they could or could not do.
	They wouldn't even allow qualified biologists to study the water there.
	I mean, it was just a very stunning illustration Of the merger of big government with big business, which was how Mussolini himself defined fascism, also known as corporatism.
	And, you know, that's what we got in the United States today, I'm sorry to say.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	I never in my lifetime thought that we'd see the government intervening on behalf of corporations to the detriment of the consumers, but we don't have a government that's looking out for the little guy anymore.
	We don't actually have anyone who's representing the interests of the American people.
	And Barack Obama has so betrayed even his own oath of office by signing this National Defense Authorization Act, which guts four or five of the articles of the Bill of Rights that I actually initiated a petition to impeach him, which anyone can find by just doing a search on petition to impeach Barack Hussein Obama.
	You're going to find it.
	And while I fully recognize that my effort here is more symbolic than practical, it certainly represents how I genuinely feel about this man whom I enthusiastically supported when he was a candidate, but who has, in my judgment, Betrayed the American people and is undermining rather than defending the Constitution of the United States.
	So he has violated his own oath of office.
	Scary.
	Well, no doubt about it.
	And I do want to say that my recent whistleblower, it's interesting you bring up the idea of the petition against the NDAA, because basically that is his motivation for coming forward, believe it or not, as a whistleblower and putting himself in further danger and under more duress, if you can appreciate that.
	And when you hear his story, you will understand what I'm talking about.
	But basically, the Defense Authorization Act has got a lot of people in the military outraged.
	And I don't know if you've got a lot of contacts in that area, but they are motivated now to really move on this situation because it has become intolerable.
	In America and and unfortunately you know the writing was on the wall a while ago but I think at this point it's it's become sort of there's there's no turning back and and it's interesting who I know that I'm not going to name any names here but a certain people have said that the Barack Obama put sort of a notation on the the signature of the act
	That says that he personally, from what I understand, in the office of President, doesn't intend to use it against American citizens, and I have to say that that does not protect people under any circumstances, you know, because that can be... Our government operates on many different levels, and whether or not Obama is involved is really questionable, and how long he's He's actually going to be in office.
	I don't even know if you've heard some of the rumblings in that regard.
	I don't know if you have.
	I would assume that you have back channel sort of information.
	Tell me what you've heard, Carrie.
	I'd be fascinated.
	OK, well, I mean, you know, certainly passing this kind of thing around is a rumor.
	It can be nauseating to people.
	But what's interesting is that this is coming from sources that I have that do have sort of connections in the military and so on and so forth, saying that there is a move afoot to replace him, but it's not a positive move.
	In other words, they want to replace him by What they would term a wartime president.
	That's the word that we're hearing and there's an interesting thing that happened in regard to Looking Glass and again this kind of harks back to my interview that I've just released with this young man who was used as a remote viewer sort of psychic to remote view the results coming from Looking Glass which is a high technology that was able to see the future.
	I don't know if you're familiar with that program.
	But basically, what it was saying was that Hillary would be in office in 2012.
	Now, what is funny is that we got that information about four years ago or thereabouts, and now we're hearing rumblings of it again.
	And, you know, I don't know if there's any truth to any of this.
	I don't know if you've heard anything along these lines.
	Well, what I can tell you is that if Barack Obama isn't a sufficiently wartime president, I can imagine what anyone would want.
	I mean, we have the absurdity that Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum are talking about first strikes on Iran, which displays that they're not only abysmally ignorant of the fact that Iran hasn't attacked any other country for 300 years and poses no threat to us, But that we are signatories to the Hague Convention of 1899, which obligates us to undertake peaceful negotiations for any differences between ourselves and other countries.
	we are also committed to the Kellogg-Brieg on Peace Treaty of 1928, which imposes similar obligations on the United States, not to mention that, of course, we were founding members of the United Nations, whose own charter requires that before any nation engages in whose own charter requires that before any nation engages in warfare with any other, it must secure our permission from the Security Council, and the only exception to that is if it faces eminent threat, We do not face imminent threat from Iran.
	There's no possible way that we could satisfy the conditions of those treaties and launch a first strike, which tells me that these candidates are not only abysmally ignorant of world history, but have no comprehension or knowledge of the Constitution, because these treaties, under our own Constitution, have the same status as the under our own Constitution, have the same status as the Constitution itself.
	So they're up there, offering themselves as candidates to be President of the United States, whose oath is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and their own avowed policies, their own avowed positions as candidates, entails violating that oath and subverting the Constitution. entails violating that oath and subverting the Constitution.
	I can't imagine anything more absurd than the situation we're in, Carrie.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	Now, the other thing that you sent through are several articles that also address Ron Paul as a candidate.
	And I was wondering what, you know, if, well, we're going to come back after the break, but if you could address some of those articles and why you pointed them up and what your thoughts are on that, it would be great.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we are talking to James Fetzer.
	We're starting off on the second hour of the show.
	James, are you still there?
	Yeah, oh sure, Carrie.
	Yeah, call me Jim.
	Okay, Jim.
	So, Basically, we were just talking about the articles that you had pointed to signifying that you wanted to discuss them.
	There are some interesting choices there, and I wondered what it is you wanted to say about that.
	And it had to do with Ron Paul.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, Ron Paul is actually the only interesting candidate out there.
	He's the only one who has a sane, I mean that literally, a sane foreign policy.
	He wants to close all these bases abroad.
	He wants to end these wars.
	He wants to bring our troops home.
	He wants to end foreign aid.
	I mean, this is a fantastic drain on our nation's treasury.
	We have 800 bases around the world, Carrie.
	We don't need them, and we are going broke.
	It's like the parallel is with the Holy Roman Empire.
	It got overextended, and it couldn't support its own attempts to encompass the globe.
	This all was initiated by the Project for the New American Century.
	Neocons who envisioned with the demise of the Soviet Union that there was a unique opportunity here for the United States as the sole remaining superpower to take control of the world and have an empire that would remain for the next hundred years.
	That was the idea, but what was essential to it was to project American power into the Middle East and then outward from that geopolitically sensitive area, which is why The fabricated events of 9-11 were engineered and blamed upon allegedly Islamic terrorists.
	In fact, research by Elias Davidson, for example, has shown the government's never been able to prove any of those hijackers were aboard any of those planes.
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	Dudney, has established that all of the phone calls from all four of the planes were faked.
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	Air Force, retired, has observed that of the millions of uniquely identifiable component parts from those four aircraft carried, none of them, the government has yet to produce even one of them.
	Two of those flights, 11 and 77, weren't even scheduled to fly that day.
	Two others, according to FAA registration data I have in my hands, Show that the other two for flights 93 and 175 were not deregistered or taken out of service until 28 September 2005, which raises the questions, how can planes that weren't even in the air have crashed on 9-11?
	And how can planes that crash have still been in the air four years later?
	We're dealing with elaborate fraud.
	I mean, the deeper you get into this, the more you realize That this was just a pack of tricks.
	Let me give you one illustration that may bring this home.
	When the rumor circulated that the Capitol might be next, this was long after the Pentagon had been hit and these two civilian lime green fire trucks had shown up and extinguished the relatively modest fires there in the first 15 minutes or so.
	When the members of Congress came pouring out of the steps because of this threat, they looked across the Potomac and they saw billowing black smoke Pouring out of the Pentagon, that was quite a psychological effect.
	But I became curious about this since I knew that the original fires had long since been extinguished and I discovered...
	That the fires, those smoke, was actually coming from a series of enormous dumpsters in front of the Pentagon, where another student of 9-11 came through Duluth when I was still residing there and showed me 44 more frames, taken from a different angle, where you could actually see daylight between the dumpsters and the building, and all of the smoke was coming from the dumpsters, none from the building.
	It was a classic Hollywood-style special effect.
	Now, this idea that these terrorists were Islamic is also quite bizarre.
	There were some 200 Israeli Mossad agents who came to the United States posing as art students who apparently were tracking them, just to know where they were, so they'd have records.
	But as David Ray Griffin reported in his book, the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, the very first point he makes Is that a half a dozen or more of these guys turned up alive and well after 9-11?
	Not only that, but they're supposed to be religious fanatics.
	Well, I know from when I would explain to my students in critical thinking that two of the fundamental tenets of Islam Or that you can have no sexual relations outside of marriage, and that the consumption of alcoholic beverages is absolutely forbidden, after which I would detect a noticeable diminution in enthusiasm for conversion.
	These alleged religious fanatics were drinking, going to strip bars, having lap dances, eating pork.
	This is a joke!
	These guys were, you know, these were just patsies, Terry.
	They were patsies.
	They were as much patsies as Lee Oswald was in Dealey Plaza.
	And Lee wasn't even on the sixth floor.
	His weapon can't have fired the bullets that were said to have killed the president because they were supposed to have been high velocity and his weapon wasn't.
	In fact, new research I'm doing with Dr. Sinke suggests that actually they altered a very famous photograph of the front of the building and obfuscated the face of Billy Lovelady who looked a great deal like Oswald and moved it onto the figure in the doorway that was actually Uh, actually, Oswald, and we're going to be publishing this soon, it is going to come as quite a revelation because this is a case where you got fresh eyes looking at an old problem.
	It's been hashed over and over whether that was, uh, Lee Oswald in the doorway.
	And he figured out a way by studying the shirt.
	The shirt instead of the face to determine that it actually was Oswald by comparing the shirt he was in later the day when he was arrested after about one hour.
	You know, it's quite astounding that the assassination took place at 12.30, but the arrest report filed at 1.40, that's an hour and ten minutes later, says, states, baldly, this man shot and killed President John F. Kennedy and shot and wounded Governor Conley.
	He also shot and killed Officer J.D.
	Tippett.
	Well, Kerry, they hadn't done any investigation!
	The guy had allegedly walked into the Texas theater without buying a ticket.
	He had two kinds of identification on him.
	One for Alec Heidel and one for Lee Oswald.
	They should not have actually even known who he was.
	And yet, when a bystander called out to this massive response in force at the Texas theater as to who that was, one of the detectives said, it's Oswald.
	You know, I mean, it's ridiculous.
	The whole thing is such a sham.
	No doubt about it, but I'm sorry, but I want to go back to this question as to, again, why are you choosing these particular articles about Ron Paul?
	I'm really curious.
	There are two principal reasons.
	One is, That his policies are the only sane foreign policies, and he also wants to audit or abolish the Fed.
	Well, that's a very dangerous practice.
	Virtually any president who's had that interest, which included JFK, has been assassinated, so he's running heavy risk.
	He does have a downside in terms of his beliefs about the Constitution not supporting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
	When my wife expresses anxiety about that, I assure her that there's no way the American people would allow the only programs that actually benefit American families to be abolished, but that with Ron Paul as your president you could get constructive changes in foreign policy.
	He would absolutely Get rid of the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act.
	They are unconstitutional on their face.
	The problem being that you gotta reach the point where the Supreme Court declares them to be unconstitutional and a great deal of mischief can take place in the meanwhile such as Incarcerating millions of Americans in these FEMA camps, so that I have an article about this, you know, from America to America, the endgame.
	Now the other thing, Callie, that makes it so fascinating is the deliberate attitude of the press, the national media, to suppress information about Ron Paul.
	He has been winning straw poll after straw poll.
	He's been winning, you know, presidential debate polls time after time after time, but the media doesn't report it.
	An editor for the New York Times recently admitted that they had decided to lowball Ron Paul.
	I have heard, you know, Alan Combs even say he hasn't got a chance so he doesn't take him seriously.
	And I called up, you know, Combs and challenged him about this.
	And the point is that the American people are supposed to decide who's going to be their candidate, not the talking heads.
	Well, I mean, but actually, if you get into that whole thing, from what we understand, these people are groomed, both the left and the right, have been groomed by the powers that be a long time coming.
	And so, in a certain sense, that is an actually true statement, whether you like it or not, that these people are chosen ahead of time, and they will eliminate Ron Paul, I'm sure, in due course with their... I'm talking about a different kind of subversion.
	I mean, I actually think Ron Paul is the people's choice.
	I mean, let me give you a perfect illustration.
	Sure.
	The latest presidential debate down in Myrtle Beach.
	They had five candidates.
	Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Perry, and Paul.
	Okay?
	And this interesting thing was going on during the debate.
	Twitter was taking vote reaction and got a huge reaction to the candidates.
	So that if they agreed, or very much agreed, or disagreed, or very much disagreed, it would show as green or as red.
	Well, when it was all said and done, It turned out that Romney didn't come across as at all believable, which I think is a very accurate reflection of Americans detecting that this is a hollow shell of a man.
	This is a guy who boasts about his ability to gut companies and wants to take credit for it.
	He's making himself And his company rich at the expense of American workers.
	I think he's a very artificial candidate, and the Twitter response reflected that.
	It also showed that Newt did better than Santorum, but what is stunning is every candidate got in the red on various questions to different degrees, except For Ron Paul.
	The only candidate who was completely in the green was Ron Paul.
	The only candidate who did best on every question was Ron Paul.
	And yet when it was all over, the guy who was handling this couldn't even bring himself to admit that.
	So he just said, well, it shows that Gingrich and Santorum, you know, were really competing.
	But Ron Paul had dominated it all.
	You can go to this website It says, uh, Twitter response to GOP debate.
	Okay, you can find it online and you'll see what I'm talking about.
	Well, it's great.
	I mean, you know, it is true.
	We have, uh, you know, we have a grassroots movement that exists on the internet and is sort of showing up these ancient ways of running campaigns, etc., and getting behind the scenes.
	I have some people in the chat here, and we are on the last hour with you.
	So, I want to be able to get to their questions, and like I said, we do have a call-in line as well.
	Sure.
	And I hope we can cover any topics that you really have close to your heart that we haven't been able to touch on here.
	Yeah.
	I have a person who is asking what you think of Bible prophecy.
	Well, I'm not... We are in the year 2012 here.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	I'm not particularly a believer in Bible prophecy.
	I mean, I taught all these courses in In critical thinking, you know, I mean, here's a typical prophecy, you know, something good is going to happen to you today.
	So it could be finding a quarter on the sidewalk, could be getting a letter from an old friend.
	I mean, a lot of prophecies are relatively, you know, sufficiently vague that you can't really tell whether they're true or false.
	I mean, just take the general issue about belief in God, you know, The claim is that everything happens in accordance with God's will, but that's consistent with anything.
	I mean, you could have a nuclear holocaust, and because that's happening, if it's supposed to be happening in God's will, that must be God's will, which means you can't test the proposition to determine whether an action is or is not in accordance with God's will.
	So I know there's a lot of people who invest a lot of emotion into biblical prophecy, but I'm not among them.
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	Hi there.
	I'm sorry, I just had an interruption on my end.
	Okay, well, so I understand that you're not that into Bible prophecy.
	Do you have any thoughts about 2012 in general, though?
	Well, I mean, I'm a professional philosopher.
	Remember, I'm an expert in the theory of knowledge and the philosophy of science, so I understand that God's existence or non-existence cannot be proven.
	Therefore, the only rational position for someone who has an understanding of the nature of rationality is to be an agnostic.
	You do not believe that God does exist, and you also do not believe that God does not exist, because neither is provable.
	As far as 2012 is concerned, all the signs are this is going to be a very bad year and we don't need a Mayan calendar to tell us that.
	I realize there are these views about progression in history, especially in relation to Uh, artifacts like the Mayan calendar, but I just say, I look around and it's very reasonable to predict that what's been going on in the recent short run is going to continue into the future short run and I see all the signs are very, very bad.
	Okay, I have somebody asking here, what is your proof that bombs caused the tsunami?
	I don't know if they're talking about Fukushima or they're talking about the earlier tsunami in Indonesia.
	I've done interviews.
	You know, I have over 300 two-hour interviews on my own radio show.
	You can find it at radiofetzer.blogspot.com, including a number with Loren Murray, who's an independent geoscientist who's done a lot of research on Fukushima.
	And I never quite completed what I was saying about Chris Busby, who went to Fukushima.
	She's done a lot of Fukushima.
	He's done a lot on Fallujah.
	But what Chris discovered was that the birth defects, Kerry, weren't being caused by the depleted uranium, it was being caused by enriched uranium, which was the effect of a new sophisticated form of bomb, something that may be like a neutron bomb.
	It involves combining enriched uranium with deuterium.
	And we talked about it, and I asked him whether this could have been a possible explanation for the detonation or the destruction of the Twin Towers.
	We had these two 500,000 ton buildings that were converted into millions and millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	He agreed with me that it was a reasonable alternative because deuterium has been found among the chemical residues of 9-11.
	I never quite got to the point, by the way, of completing what I was going to say about the Toronto hearings.
	Which is that Joshua Blakeney was actually there and wrote a piece about the pros and cons of the Toronto hearings, and he knows that not only did they come to grips with the fact that nanothermite has been shown to be incapable of doing what they have claimed it can do, they didn't talk about who was responsible and why, and they especially would not talk about any indications of Israeli complicity.
	They wouldn't even talk about what happened at the Pentagon, where there's overwhelming evidence That a plane flew toward the building and then flew over it at the same time as they detonated explosives, but that no plane actually hit the Pentagon.
	And then that whatever happened at New York, you know, is very, very peculiar.
	Because in the video footage...
	We have a plane that's traveling faster than is aerodynamically possible for a 767, which pilots for 9-11, truth is confirmed.
	We have the plane entering the building in violation of Newton's Laws, meaning there's no collision effects.
	Between this 500,000 ton building and this aircraft, it just disappears, it just melts into the building.
	We have actually done frame-by-frame advance and discovered that the plane disappears its own length into the building in the same number of frames.
	It passes through its own length in air, which is impossible physically, unless the building provides no more resistance to the plane's trajectory than air.
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	Jim, right before the break we were going down some questions that were here in the chat room and I do want to encourage people to call in also if they are interested in doing so.
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	Okay, I've got somebody that is asking something about this Israeli bombs in Israeli nukes in Israeli embassy, I guess it is.
	Is there something that you've publicized about that in relation to that?
	I'm not sure why the person is asking the question.
	Well, the article about the US-Israeli false flag attack may be underway.
	Related to the Vincennes includes references to the Israeli past events in which, for example, in 1967 they attacked a U.S.
	spy ship called the Liberty, and they repeatedly strafed it and torpedoed it.
	They were trying to sink it, which they were unable to do in order to blame it on the Egyptians and bring the American government on the side of Israel in the Seven Days War.
	But also, I had a link there to false flag attacks where Israel was attacking its own citizens, its own people in Argentina in 1992.
	They blew up the Israeli embassy.
	But then, two years later in 1994, apparently they hadn't killed enough people to make a big enough impression politically.
	They blew up the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires and killed a lot more.
	And the whole idea was that they were, they blamed it on Iran.
	And what was going on was that the Argentine government had been cooperating with Iran in the peaceful development of nuclear energy and the Israelis didn't like it.
	So I'm saying, this is a pretty tough group.
	The Mossad is the greatest practitioner of false flag attacks in the world.
	Carrie, I'd just like to add, go ahead.
	Okay, well I'm getting questions coming at me fast and furious here, so did you want to add, you wanted to add something, so go ahead and then I'll... Yeah, I just wanted to say, anyone conversant with theology, by the way, would not contest my observation that the existence of God can neither be, and the non-existence of God, neither of them are capable of proof, which is why, of course, religious belief is a matter of faith.
	Okay.
	Now, I've got somebody asking me whether or not you think there's a relationship between watching TV, fluoride toxicity, and the lack of critical thinking capability in the American populace.
	I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek or literal.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Actually, fluoride is an industrial waste product that should not be in our water.
	Yes.
	It can have highly deleterious effects.
	I know one person who was practically, you know, there was an attempt by his dentist to apparently to murder him.
	I know a lot about this case.
	You can find it online.
	Article I published entitled, uh, Flossing Can Be Murder.
	He'd invented a product that J&J wanted, but they didn't want to pay for it.
	You know, they didn't want to admit that their whole history has been based on a A false campaign claiming they have antiseptic dental floss, which they've never had, but which he had discovered how to... He had an invention and they didn't, you know, it's a complicated case, but Floyd is definitely bad for you.
	I do think television has had a numbing effect on the mental development of our young people.
	The level of brain engagement or mental engagement watching television is actually lower than that in deep sleep.
	So that, you know, when you read, reading is a very mental exercise ability, because you've got to associate the words with what they stand for, which is merely a matter of habitual or conventional association.
	Other cause-effect relationships also are important in mental functioning, where you relate causes to effects.
	Television represents the lowest level of mentality, where you're simply looking at things, you know, that resemble what they stand for.
	There are serious problems here.
	I believe that it's entirely possible that both fluoride and television have had a contribution to what we could call the dumbing down of America.
	Okay, well, yes, I think that somebody could make a case to that effect.
	Okay, at this point, we have questions that I'm not sure you even want to go down those roads, but I'm happy to ask you.
	Go ahead.
	I know, first of all, I personally want to find out whether or not you're familiar with a terminology called the White Hats, and whether you have been at all aware of a particular website that is tea, dark cabal,
	blogspot.com, which is releasing basically very researched information that documents where different candidates and people in office are putting money and how they're hiding it.
	And Obama is implicated in this and a number of others.
	Are you familiar with all of that?
	I'm not, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
	I mean, look, if you got the runaway Fed that's just using and going as a preying press, it's put out 17 to 70 trillion dollars in the last couple of years.
	And who knows where that went?
	That money doesn't have any foundation.
	Nixon took us off the gold standard.
	A whole long time ago, oil, the value of the dollar is closely related to oil because of the petrodollar exchange for oil, so it's a very artificial, and when these nations switch from the petrodollar to the petroyuro, for example, that is really when the wrath of the American government comes down upon them, that has happened with Iraq, Saddam switched to the petro-euro, and then you see what happened to him.
	Qaddafi took us off of the, went off of the petro-dollar, and you see what happened to him.
	Iran has gone off of the petro-dollar, and you see what we're threatening to do with them.
	I mean, there are two ways you can piss off the American government.
	One is by appropriating property that belonged to American companies.
	Before nationalization, so that Fidel antagonized United Fruit and Anaconda Copper when he nationalized their resources.
	When Salvador Allende, who was a Marxist, but who was democratically elected in Chile, nationalized the property of AT&T, they were most unhappy, and we know what happened to him.
	And when Hugo Chavez nationalized the Venezuelan oil industry for the benefit of Venezuelans, You see how much, you know, he has probably been given cancer.
	It's a long story, but there was a project to develop a rapid developing cancer in New Orleans shortly before the assassination that even involved Lee Oswald, David Ferry, a woman named Dr. Mary Sherman, and a brilliant young high school science student named Judith Berry Baker who actually had figured out how to induce cancer at a higher rate than any American scientist had been able to do and was lured to New Orleans to get involved in this project.
	There are two books about it that I recommend.
	One's called Dr. Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslam and the other is Me and Lee by Judah the Very Baker.
	You can find reviews of those books on my blog site and I've done interviews related to these on radiofetzer.blogspot.com.
	Okay, very good.
	So in terms of the White Hats, are you familiar with that term?
	Well, I mean, that's just a customary term for good guys, you know?
	Yeah, it is in particular, but it basically designates the military and agency-specific, you know, group that is rebelling at this time against the current sort of New World Order that's being... I've heard rumors to this effect, you know, before.
	Obama signed the NDAA.
	Two four-star Marine Corps generals authored an op-ed piece in the New York Times explaining why it was a very bad thing to do that would subvert the Constitution that the military didn't want it.
	And Obama went ahead and did it anyway.
	One of them was named Krulak and was the son of one of the most famous Marine Corps officers of all time, Victor Krulak.
	And, you know, I just say, when Obama is showing so little disregard for the best people in the military, I mean, when he, Harry, insisted on having the language that American citizens could be apprehended and indefinitely detained, which Carl Levin explained was not in the original bill, We're in deep trouble, because we've got a president in the Oval Office who's subverting the Constitution, and it appears to me in a very self-conscious way.
	He used to teach constitutional law.
	He has to know that the provisions of these acts are completely unconstitutional.
	And the question is just whether they'll ever get up to the Supreme Court, or whether the Supreme Court will be sufficiently non-corrupt To rule appropriately, but you don't have to be an expert on constitutional law to realize that these are subversions of the Constitution.
	Yes, there's absolutely no doubt about that.
	Well, as we sort of get down to the last half hour here, I want to make sure that we cover any areas that we haven't actually gone down.
	In terms of the information that you have and this so-called false flag, is there anything specific Beyond what you've published that has come across your desk in the last few days as a result of what you've published.
	Actually there is, which is that a huge US-Israeli joint military exercise has been cancelled.
	Now, Kerry, I gotta tell ya, I mean, I hope this isn't, you know, vanity on my part, but those of us involved in this actually believe that we may have contributed to that.
	Because if it was going to be the Vincennes that was gonna be the centerpiece, that the Vincennes was gonna be blown up, And blamed on Israel to initiate an attack on Iran, then that would be the reason why they would cancel.
	I mean, this article, of all the articles I've published, and there's quite a few, has by far reached the widest audience.
	So, I'm willing to speculate that we may have actually defeated this particular version of a false flag attack.
	But don't worry, they have plan B. So, you know, something's going to come to pass, and I just hope it's nothing of the dimensions that I've been describing.
	Carrie, are you there?
	There is reason to believe that outing certain plans beforehand, because the element of surprise is no longer there, can really throw a wrench into their plans.
	And so for that purpose, contrary to what some people might feel, I do think that that's a good way to go.
	And it is possible that you did sort of circumvent their immediate plans.
	But what I wonder is if they, you know, because they use, you're aware they use things like Craig Computers to strategize potentialities and all of this, right?
	Oh, I mean, the computing power available to the government is astronomical.
	This is one of the reasons why we're now a surveillance society, is they have the capability To process every single phone call, every single email that is sent in the entire world, not just in the United States.
	I mean, when they talked about that total information awareness, you know, Admiral Poindexter was associated with, and they said, well, they were only targeting the terrorists.
	You had to stop and think, well, how do they know who the terrorists are?
	They don't know.
	They're processing everybody.
	Everyone in the United States is under surveillance and the computing power.
	I mean, these are computers that can perform a trillion operations of second carry.
	I've done research on computing and artificial intelligence and cognitive science and I tell you this is one of the reasons why we're in deep trouble because no one has any privacy anymore and when you no longer have any privacy you can be vulnerable to manipulation and you know there are good reasons why we are entitled to privacy and our government today is violating all of them.
	Absolutely.
	What is your background in terms of world travel?
	Have you spent much time in other countries?
	Yes, when I was 15, I went on a bicycle tour of Europe, England, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and France.
	Between high school and college, I was a delegate from the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles to the 14th World Convention on Christian Education held in Tokyo, Japan.
	I have made two tours in the Far East.
	I was 13 minutes in the Far East and had operations based on Okinawa, twice in Japan, Korea, the Philippines, R&R in Hong Kong.
	I have been flown to Greece for that television event.
	I've been flown twice to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
	I was brought down to Sao Paulo, Brazil for a conference on Cognitive science, and of course I've been in England seven times, and on one or two of those I made a side trip to Paris using one of the bullet trains.
	Interestingly, during one of those visits, there was an effort being made by a French investigative journalist named William Raymond to put me together with somebody who had a copy of the original, the authentic Zabruder film of the assassination of JFK.
	What we have today is a massively edited version.
	They took out a limo.
	You know, a whole lot goes along with that.
	Yeah, that's fascinating.
	Did you ever get a hold of that?
	No, no, he backed out.
	The owner backed out.
	I don't know, but I mean, it was, you know, like the day before I was to see it, he contacted me and told me it wasn't going to work out.
	But I've done a huge amount of work on these subjects about JFK.
	I've published three books, Assassination Science, Murder in Dealey Plaza, The Great Zapruder Film Hoax.
	I've co-chaired four national conventions.
	Okay, well, you know, at the risk of broaching a topic that we have no means by which to cover thoroughly in any way, shape, or form, I have had a recent whistleblower, I don't know if you're aware of them, Uh, and his name is Ed, um, oh gosh, his first and last name is escaping me at the moment.
	It's actually been on the front page of Camelot.
	But at any rate, he's a ballistics expert and he felt that he had sort of zeroed in on the ballistics of the assassination.
	What was your understanding of the number of bullets and where they came from?
	Well, the Secret Service set him up.
	There were shooters at six different locations.
	Eight, nine, or ten shots were fired.
	One from the top of the county records building that implanted a Mandaker-Carcona bullet in his back.
	It was a very shallow entry.
	It was fired with probably a .30-06 using what's called a sabot, a kind of plastic collar.
	There were three shots fired from the Daltex with a Mandaker-Carcona, the only unsilenced weapon by an anti-Castro Cuban.
	Uh, one of which missed and hit the curbing and injured a distant bystander named James Tague.
	Another missed and hit the chrome strip over the windshield.
	The third hit Jack in the back of the head.
	This was during the period of that limo stop.
	He fell forward, Jackie eased him back up and was looking him right in the face when he was hit in the right temple by a frangible or exploding bullet.
	That set up shockwaves that blew his brains out the back of his head and to the left and rear with such force that motorcycle patrolman Bobby Hargis, impacted by the brief, thought he himself had been shot.
	No shots were fired from the sixth floor window.
	Others were fired, however, from the west side of the building.
	Three that were fired at Connolly.
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	and we're talking to jim betzer out Jim, we only have about 15 or less minutes here on the radio with you.
	I wanted to repair, I hadn't said the name of the last name of the person that I was talking about, who is the ballistics expert.
	Ed Loughran is his name, or Loughran, however you want to say it.
	And he had done an investigation into the Kennedy ballistics as a ballistics expert, an ex-military guy, an intelligence specialist from the Navy.
	And I wonder if, when you have a moment, you can take a look at the interview.
	It's an audio interview and it'd be very interesting, I think, with your background for you to listen to it.
	Um, and see if he's bringing anything new to the table.
	I'm going to paste into the chat the link, uh, so that you can go to it after the show and, and take a look and then, uh, and, and see what you think.
	And I'll also paste it into the chat here for people that are listening, uh, that might want to pursue that.
	But at any rate, I appreciate the very fast rundown that you did give us in regard to that.
	There were a couple more locations.
	I mean, interestingly, between the roadway and the top of the Triple Underpass on both sides, there are above-ground sewer openings.
	And what appears to have been the second shot was fired from the south side and passed through the windshield and hit JFK in the throat.
	The last shot that was fired was from the north side that hit JFK in the right temple.
	That shot I already explained.
	Ironically, a shot was fired from the grassy knoll apparently by a Dallas police officer who also worked for the CIA by the name of Roscoe White.
	That shot missed.
	I think he pulled the shot because he was going to hit Jackie.
	And there was a very strict instruction that she should not be harmed during the assassination.
	Okay, what about the idea that actually, I believe it was Bush, not sure if it's Senior, to be honest with you, I actually don't know which Bush, but one of the Bushes was cited on actually there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	George Herbert Walker Bush appears to have played a much more important role in the assassination of JFK than is generally understood.
	Lyndon Johnson was the pivotal player.
	He was the guy who would succeed JFK.
	He even forced himself onto the ticket.
	With the plan, I mean, he would tell others when they said, you know, we're astonished they give up the powerful position of majority leader to be vice president.
	But he told them he was a gambling man, that he'd studied and he'd found one out of four presidents hadn't served out their term.
	Well, Lyndon Johnson was no gambling man.
	He only bet on sure things.
	The plan from the beginning was to get him in as vice president and then take out Jack.
	I'm sure of it.
	A brilliant book about This has been published by Phil Nelson entitled LBJ Mastermind of JFK's Assassination.
	Okay, yes, very good.
	Well, just because you kind of skimmed over the fact that Herbert Walker Bush was on, would you agree that he was actually on the scene though?
	Oh yeah, I discovered a photograph in Jesse Curry's JFK assassination file of a man with this distinctive posture, and they had his hands in his pockets and all that, and I was sure it was George Herbert Walker Bush.
	We have another photograph of the tramps being escorted through, and there's a civilian walking past them, which is odd all by itself, but he was identified by Victor Kruelock, whom I mentioned before, and Fletcher Prouty, who was the figure who was represented by Colonel X in Oliver Stone's film JFK, walking past them.
	Edward Lansdale was famous for arranging assassinations all over the world and we believe that he was probably the person who put it together.
	And there's a third photograph where you see Lansdale waiting to speak to Bush.
	I actually published an article about this.
	Was George Herbert Walker, was George H.W.
	Bush involved in the assassination of JFK on Veterans Today?
	Oh, you did.
	Okay, very good.
	Well, okay, so we don't have a lot of time left.
	I'm looking in the chat to see if there's any last-minute questions that people absolutely want us to address that have not been dealt with.
	Let me ask you this.
	There was a recent change in the regime.
	I guess it was North Korea.
	Do you think that we've got anything to worry about there?
	And what do you think about that?
	Probably not.
	And of course, you know, a nice point Ron Paul makes is we got these forces.
	We still have forces in Germany.
	We got them in Korea.
	What in the world do we need to have these forces all over the world for?
	I'm sorry to say, but it looks to me like Vladimir Putin is a greater statesman for world peace than any president we've had, you know, in some time now.
	I'm very sorry to say.
	You can find more truth In Pravda and in Press TV, the Iranian news service that you can find in the New York Times.
	We've come to a sorry state where the American news media and reporters don't do their jobs.
	Carl Bernstein did a study that was published in Rolling Stone in 1977 entitled, The CIA and the Media, in which he revealed that high officials of the agency had told him that their greatest successes had been with Time Life, with CBS, and with the New York Times.
	And if in that period of time, you know, you had a lock on those three entities, you controlled the American News Service.
	William Colby, the director of the CIA, shortly before his rather unusual death in a kayaking incident, said that the CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.
	I think you have to take that at face value.
	They do.
	Yes, there's no doubt about that whatsoever.
	Let me ask you whether you've heard this story about there being a nuke planted close possibly to the city of Chicago by the Israelis that they use as a kind of insurance policy to get the U.S.
	to do what it is they want.
	Have you heard that story?
	I assume you have been associated with veterans today.
	Kerry, it would not surprise me.
	You may have heard me sketch the Samson option.
	There are reports that Israel has Nukes in every major city of every capital, you know, of every capital of the world, and major city, and then if they're going to go down, they're going to take the rest of the world with them.
	I think this is all too plausible.
	This just may be true.
	These people don't care about the United States.
	We are their tool.
	We are their instrument.
	They run our foreign policy.
	Our congressmen and political leaders are gutless.
	They defer to the Israelis on every major issue related to foreign policy.
	It's why we're in such a fix.
	As Joshua Boykine and I pointed out in our article, the traditional American attitude toward the Middle East has been one of stability, because we want to contain, you know, the constant access to oil and so forth.
	But the Israeli policy is to break all these countries up into little tiny states so that Israel can have a greater control.
	And that's exactly what we have been doing.
	We got a gig plan from Israel and we've been following it ever since 9-11.
	Okay, well, I appreciate that, but let me ask you this, whether or not you are aware of a secret space program?
	A secret space program?
	Yes.
	To what effect?
	Tell me, Carrie, a little more of what you have in mind.
	It's pretty involved.
	You know, it has to do with going off the planet and using very high technology, stealth technology, etc., etc.
	Very, very sophisticated Well, in my opinion, you know, we do have some sophisticated technology, probably involving, you know, free energy technology.
	Have you heard of NASA being the front agency for a secret space program that's basically many, many Well, NASA roughly has always been a front agency.
	There are excellent reasons.
	The weight of the evidence suggests, by the way, that we did not go to the moon.
	And if we did not go to the moon, you know, then where would we be?
	And if you're not seeing a lot of space launches and all that, it's hard for me to see how we could actually be doing that and doing that successfully.
	So I would be a little skeptical.
	On the other hand, I wouldn't rule it out.
	Something I would like to add before we conclude, by the way, is that Josh and I were so upset with the Toronto hearings that we have been organizing.
	He and I are co-chairing the Vancouver hearings that are going to be held on 15 to 17 June in Vancouver.
	And we're going to address, you know, I've got multiple speakers, three speakers on each of these topics.
	How were the Twin Towers destroyed?
	I've got representatives of different theories.
	You know, was video fakery?
	What happened to the planes?
	That's going to be on Saturday morning, three speakers.
	Then what about the hijackers aboard the planes?
	What about the cell phone calls and all the other calls?
	What about what happened to the passengers that we're going to have in the evening?
	You know, who was responsible and why was 9-11 done?
	And then the following morning, Sunday morning, we're going to talk about Why has the media failed to expose what has been discovered about 9-11?
	Because 9-11 is being used to justify all these wars of aggression and subversion of the Constitution, Kerry.
	We need to understand that this was a contrived, fabricated event that's being used as a club to beat up the American people in deniance of our civil rights.
	Yes, no doubt about that whatsoever.
	Okay, well, thank you very much, Jim Fetzer.
	Now, is there anything, because we just have a few minutes left before we sign off here, I wonder if you are familiar with the work of Richard Hoagland?
	You know, that name is so familiar.
	Tell me a bit about it.
	He wrote a book called Dark Mission, all about NASA being a front agency.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I should probably read it.
	I know you're a very learned man and you've obviously covered a great deal of expertise in all of these different areas it's it's quite well it's actually mind-bending to listen to your resume but I wonder if you could get into that area because I think having scholarship with someone like you in that area would be very valuable to all of us I think that's a very useful suggestion, Carrie.
	I'd like to follow that up.
	The name of his book again was Dark?
	Dark Mission.
	Dark Mission.
	It was on the bestseller list for a while.
	Maybe you could put that into the chat.
	Let me just make a couple of points, Carrie, about what might possibly be things Americans can do to regain control of their government.
	You've got to get rid of these electronic voting machines that are being used to steal elections right under the nose.
	There's a long history here.
	It's all fraudulent.
	I've done work on computer science.
	It's child's play to steal elections using voting machines.
	They've done it in... They did it in...
	In 2000, 2002, 2004, get public financing for all federal elections, get private money out, and get these lobbyists out of Washington, and finally, oddly enough, restore the draft, and then everyone's going to have a stake in decisions of war and peace, and we won't allow it to be casually made by presidents who want to be war and we won't allow it to be casually made by presidents who want to be war presidents, because they Okay, we're starting.
	Thank you.
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