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11/02/2011 Dr. John Waterman.

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	There is a jaguar outside my door Stretched out and purring
	Waiting for more Strange shade of sun Deep cat eye green No way to escape No one hears my scream Hi there This is Sari Kass, the Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and very, very happy to be back in the U.S.S., U.S., U.S.A., and very jet-lagged.
	Sorry about this.
	That's the song, not the place.
	But at any rate.
	And I am going to be live tonight with Dr. John Waterman, who is joining us.
	And we are going to be live on Revolution Radio simulcasting along with American Freedom Radio.
	So this is going to be a very exciting show.
	We're going to be touching on all the latest Things that are going on as well as some of the things that happened during my trip to India Just gotten off a plane a few hours ago Have been traveling non-stop for over 24 hours My plane time alone was 24 hours so that means buses and going to and fro and waiting at airports and all the craziness that that goes on with traveling as people know and
	is way much more than that.
	So I am really seeing double and triple.
	But we are going to see if we can plow our head here and cover some very interesting topics.
	I do want to direct people to the chat room, and I'm just in the process of getting that link up on the front page of Project Camelot so that people can go there.
	We are tweeting it as well and Facebooking it.
	as I speak, I guess, My webmaster, Tommy Hanson, is sort of pitch hitting behind the scenes here, as he often does, with very little credit.
	But we are kind of making up for that slowly but surely.
	At any rate, so I just want to give him a little plug behind the scenes here.
	And so, Dr. Waterman, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Hi, Carrie.
	Hi, how are you?
	I'm doing better.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, yes, you've had some, well, an operation, is that right?
	Well, I've been fighting throat cancer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it took me off guard, although, you know, that's the reason why I ended up in alternative medicine to start with, was because I lost about 15 of my family to cancer.
	So, I took that very arduous, very, wow, hard path of learning that I didn't have plans to cure cancer, and that came from my two-year stint of working with the American Cancer Society, where one of the VPs said to me one day, we don't have plans to cure cancer.
	You know, I was so upset by it.
	I was, I didn't even have time to get angry.
	I was just nauseated.
	And I walked out of that boardroom and never came back.
	So yeah, I've got plaques.
	I've kept the plaques only to say, hey, I've been there.
	I got the teacher.
	I've done that, you know, for my contribution to the blah, blah, blah.
	And I just do that because, you know, there's not very many people that can actually say that the American Cancer Society said we don't have plans to cure cancer.
	I mean, you know, it's just... I hear you.
	You know, as we speak here, I am putting in the link to the chat room into your to your Skype so that you can also paste that wherever you need to, uh, if, if at all possible that what that does is allow people to participate, uh, and to chat with each other during, during the broadcast as well as ask us questions.
	And if we keep an eye on that, then we can both go to that page and, you know, let people know, uh, if they have topics they want us to discuss or, uh, just questions they want to ask.
	They can type the questions.
	I always say in caps, all caps, that's the easiest way for us to be able to read them quickly and discriminate between what's just chat between people and chat where people want to ask questions.
	So the chat room again is now posted on the front page of the ProjectCamelot.org site so you can put in ProjectCamelot.org and if you scroll down to the radio part you will see where it says it's got a link to listen live to the broadcast as well as to participate on the chat.
	And this is a new part of our forum that was just set up.
	So hopefully this will work.
	And I'm just gonna say, sort of try that.
	And it, I guess it right now, it's just calling me guests.
	So it doesn't.
	So far, I don't know how to sign in.
	So Tommy, we need to play a way for people to sign in with their own name, because I guess it says member login.
	I don't know.
	And it looks like I have to be a member of this forum in order to do that, so I'm not sure how that works.
	I don't even know what my sign-in name is.
	I'm not going to sign in here, but I might be somebody else altogether.
	Okay, well, as long as people can sign up without being necessarily members of our forum, we'll probably be alright.
	So hopefully this will work.
	I don't know.
	Um, if not, we'll, we'll have to try to go back to the old one.
	Does this work for people?
	It works fine.
	People get right in.
	They don't need to register.
	They can just start chatting right away.
	I know, but they need to have a name.
	Ah, well, for now it's guest.
	If they want a name...
	Okay, if you want to use your name, you have to register.
	Let me see if it says my name, even though I registered.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, he's being a true webmaster in the background there, and I guess you can hear him.
	Okay, well let me say this, that India was absolutely fascinating and the group I was traveling with was also fascinating in a variety of different ways and I can talk more about that depending on the questions you want to ask me if you have anything and then also I can talk about India.
	We spent time traveling really in a lot of different areas and going into temples, Sikh temples, Buddhist temples,
	Let's see, Hindu temples, I mean meditating, we created some stargates in specific places in and around India and that's part of what the information that comes in through what are called the guardians to Ashyana Deen herself and directs her as to where the energies are best suited for creating these gates that will then allow
	sections of humanity to exit and go into other parts, other dimensions, and so on.
	So, John, tell me, are you paying attention to all the things that are going on out there?
	And can we also just kind of start off with maybe talking a little bit about what's going on in the Wall Street movement, the protests, et cetera, Because we've got people in Oakland.
	I heard tonight that Oakland is becoming very, very volatile.
	And I know certainly New York has been.
	I believe that the militia are also sort of stepping up?
	Yeah, this is an interesting development because it's surprising a lot of people are now Uh, there's a lot of, uh, well, I should say the powers that be have been caught off guard with this, you know, broad base of support that they see that Occupy is getting.
	And so it's kind of caught them off guard.
	You know, they were thinking they had us dialectically brainwashed better than that.
	Well, it's not happened.
	You know, there's too many common causes or common reasons for us to be together.
	And, you know, there's certain things that have to happen for a revolution to succeed.
	Now, I've kind of had that kind of information for many years.
	But there's two elements that have to happen.
	And this literally is a revolution.
	You could call it a soft war.
	That's a term that they use, soft war, because there's no bullets.
	But it doesn't mean that there isn't Money involved, and property involved, and assets involved, and all the other kind of things.
	So, really we're talking about warfare here, a different kind of war.
	And it's against tyranny, and the powers that be, you know.
	But for a revolution, whether it's a soft revolution or a hard one to succeed, there's two things that have to happen.
	One is, the government where you're at, and this is global, so it just has to go with where you're at.
	That government must appear to be unjust and that regardless of where you're coming from it has to be viewed as a threat to the future of your nation.
	And I think that probably fits the bill in most of these locations where these people are manifesting.
	And I can tell you a little bit how this all started.
	I don't know that very many people have heard the actual really deep bowels of where this all began and where it really started.
	Now, a lot of people are saying, you know, this is kind of organic.
	It's a ground crew thing, and it was.
	It is.
	But the other part of this is that there cannot be military leadership supporting the government against the people.
	Now, in some foreign countries besides the U.S., and some of them that are more third world countries, like in the Middle East, that's easier to do.
	In America and maybe Western culture, that isn't going to be as easy.
	So they have to beef up the police and state troopers in the states and so forth.
	But what's happening is you've got things like Occupy Marines that have joined this whole effort because they're tired of the tyranny.
	And so you're getting a lot of active and just recently discharged and older veterans involved, even including the militia, which has just got everybody involved.
	And they're just sitting there going, what?
	And that's kind of where we have to stop the way we've been potty trained all our life.
	I mean, we grew up with red versus blue, the Cardinals fighting the Blue Jays in a football game, there's a winner, there's a loser, it's basketball, it's baseball, there's car races, there's always this loser and winner.
	That's very much a program to brainwash the masses into really getting them to operate within a dialectic mode constantly.
	You either have or you have not.
	You know, that's not really how life is.
	There's these gray areas and probably a bigger part of our life is the gray area.
	So when we start looking at how they're How they're attacking us after they've fractured our, you know, our brain in this program.
	It's really encouraging to see that, you know, that humanity is saying, whoa, something's wrong here.
	And everybody, no matter which side of the quote dialectic we thought we were on, we're all having the same problem.
	That's pretty, pretty much a deal when you have one thing happen.
	It might be coincidental.
	When you have two things happen, it looks like there's a pattern.
	When you have three things happen all at the same time, you actually have a program and agenda going on.
	And that's, to say the least, what we've got going on here.
	Right.
	But, you know, that brings us into a variety of different areas.
	One of the things that I'm very interested in is the head of Goldman Sachs and what appears to be, in my view, not that this guy is an angel or anything, but what appears to be a sort of a setup Where he's being taken down for so-called insider trading at a time and a place where really insider trading is kind of the name of the game.
	Going on over there.
	And, you know, in other words, what I'm, of course, I'm going to be a little suspicious, a little cynical over here as to the bones that are being thrown at the Occupy Wall Street crowd to get them thinking that they're actually having some traction and whether or not this is going in the direction that we would hope it would go or whether it's going to be taken advantage of.
	And go down a different road.
	And there's no doubt that there is dissatisfaction around the really around the planet and that the sort of Emperor's new clothes are definitely being exposed with almost out without exception.
	But I'm wondering what is going on in terms of getting these people who are finally hitting the streets now And where it's going to lead.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Oh, that's the, well, he used to say $64,000 question.
	That's the $10 billion question.
	That's the main one, Carrie.
	You know, even after there is a peaceful revolution started, And let's say its goals were pretty explicit.
	Even after that, it takes about a half a decade for that kind of group to stabilize their own regime.
	And then after that, here's what goes on.
	And it's, I think, probably already beginning, but we're still fighting the same face.
	So real shortly, we're going to see them trying to, well, co-opt Anything that could come good out of it.
	Now, what we all have to think about is, not right, left, and those kind of terms, but in liberty, freedom, versus tyranny.
	Anything that's centrally controlled and abusive to our rights, that's just humans on this planet, it has historically been what's going on.
	That's what we've always revolted against, no matter what kind of Other stuff was going on.
	But after revolutions get started, they will try to go in and make divisions within the revolutionaries and make them start to surface.
	And they'll start debates on taxation and state spending, corruption, foreign policy, the role of the military, power of the executives, you know, policies on religion and laws, practices, blah, blah, blah.
	They just get started on co-opting it by causing division.
	Now, do you see that?
	What's miraculous about this is the ground crews have gone, I mean, calling it an Awake and Aware.
	Whoa, that kind of conference, that title's awesome.
	Here's the deal.
	You know, there are a lot of us, Kerry, that are already awake and aware before this ever came about.
	And I'm trying to tell people, we know who the bad guys are.
	We just need to help them understand because we've been awake a lot longer than some of these that just came into the Occupy Movement.
	Right, and that is an interesting area as well, how we're going to have some bleed through between those who really know what's going on and the different levels and just sort of the ones that are knee-jerk reacting at this time.
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	you you We're talking to Dr. John Waterman and we are live on Revolution Radio and American Freedom Radio simultaneously tonight and this is the first night back after my trip to India.
	So we're talking about the whole global economic situation and the Occupy Wall Street situation and all of that.
	Dr. Waterman, I wanted to ask you what you think about, I'm getting some inside view, I guess, right now telling me that Greece is basically printing drachma.
	And what I understand is that the European Union and IMF have suspended aid to Greece until further notice.
	And let's see, we've got a Nobel Prize winning mainstream economist warning of imminent banks runs in Europe and a bank collapse in Italy followed by Italy printing the lira.
	So what do you think about all that?
	What we're talking about is the threat to the central banking system.
	I mean, if they go broke, there's still going to be all those houses sitting there in Greece.
	Their land's not going to shrink up by 40%.
	What really we're talking about is that the powers that are in control, the status quo, is worried that their little tool, this little soft war bullet they've got called money, is not going to be usable against people.
	And so what's happening?
	And it doesn't mean it's a good, easy, fun thing to do, and that's to have a transition, particularly in an environment of animosity, because there are casualties, and the people usually get the worst of it.
	They're the real people.
	I mean, the real people are the only ones that really feel it anyway.
	The central banks figure out a way around all the problems in the first place.
	You know, right now they've already figured out their little, you know, escape boat.
	They don't have a life raft.
	They have a cruise liner.
	They're getting ready to get out of a little boat and get in a big one.
	The reason why Greece turned this all down, Kerry, is because, you know, a long, long time ago, and even Cliff High mentioned it, austerity means More than just the budget of the government, it's leaning on the people to make sure that the banks get their, well, profit.
	Right.
	So, you want me to go through what they were going to try and make Greece people do the Greek people do before, real quick here, because that kind of will tell you why they said forget it.
	Yeah, and I think that that's actually kind of a brilliant move.
	I know some people are saying it's not a brilliant move from a politician's point of view and so on and so forth, but I thought it was actually quite a wise move on the part of the government of Greece and quite sort of unusual.
	What do you think about that?
	Well, I do too.
	I think it is.
	Now, when you look at This country called Greece, really it has nothing much to do with the United States, but it's kind of a domino effect of who owes who, and then it's not in the national debts or currencies, it's in the Euro.
	They've cut these deals.
	Now, if you remember a long time ago, Margaret Thatcher really put up a really vicious fight against even letting Britain get into the Euro.
	And she just didn't trust anybody, at least that's what we were hearing.
	But in the meantime, it doesn't really have much direct effect on us.
	It's what Greece affects with the next big guy, and the next bigger, you know, country goes into problems, and then that one affects the next biggest one.
	Of course, we're going to be the last one in the block.
	But that doesn't mean that we don't have The same thing that they'd love to try and do there to here.
	What they wanted to do, let me just give you some of these, kind of give you an idea of how this was going.
	What they were, the central banks were demanding on the people of Greece.
	They wanted to low the tax threshold, how much they could get without being taxed.
	From 12,000 euros to 5,000.
	So it was like a 65% drop in tax-free money.
	Now, taxes in those countries are considerably different than here, too.
	They also raised the retirement age from 61 to 65.
	Now, that's not bad.
	I mean, you know.
	But they were going to add a value-added tax of 23%.
	They were going to raise property taxes.
	Now this is really one that everybody's going to get hit on that is going to surprise everybody, but it's going to come to America.
	And that's that their monthly pensions of, and we could just say a thousand dollars, it's actually in euros, a thousand euros, but they were going to cut it by 20 percent.
	Now that's not all.
	If you were under 55, Anybody that then moves into getting retirement when they have time, when they get it, which will be 10 years later, right now, anybody under 55, right now, was automatically going to lose 40% of their money for retirement.
	Now that, this is just a start.
	Wages were going to be cut 20%.
	State-owned enterprises, we're going to have theirs cut by 30%.
	They were going to put a cap on the wages for everybody.
	They were going to let go 30,000 civil servants.
	Now, we've got to think, you know, 30,000 there is not 30,000 here.
	That's a lot of people, you know.
	They were cutting all the contracts for public sector, and that's, you know, understandable.
	Here's one, though.
	One in 10 civil servants would be not Let me back up and say it this way.
	Out of all the people that are retiring, for every 10 that retire, they're only going to replace one for those 10.
	And then there was going to be new levies on household incomes of 5%, and the list goes on, Carrie, and the people are going, well, why don't you just shoot me?
	I mean, what do we have to lose?
	When we just say, you know, drop dead no.
	So that's what's going on.
	And I think we kind of fail to understand that this common thing that brings all of us together, you know, like, you know, no matter which party you're in or if you vote or not vote, whether you're bohemian or, you know, you live in a, I used to say, funeral home atmosphere, no matter what your color is, no matter what your religion is, In America, what is that one thing everybody puts in their pocket that's pretty much the same?
	It's this thing called the money.
	So, that common problem is how they controlled everybody.
	No matter what, they didn't care what anybody believes.
	They could still make money on you.
	Or what, you know, anything else beyond that they didn't care about.
	But as long as they had power over you through the money system.
	Now, here's the deal.
	They're getting ready to scrap the U.S.
	dollar.
	If your fortune is in U.S.
	dollars, it's time to put it in something like dirt or a farm or, you know, even if you're not a farmer, you know, buy something.
	Make it substance real, you know, and then be prepared to pay the taxes ahead of time for about three years while we go through this.
	It's going to take about, Kerry, it takes about a half a decade after a major soft war revolution For things to settle down.
	So we've got three to five years before the end of it is settled.
	And we haven't even but started the soft war revolution.
	It's just starting.
	Yeah, I agree with you there.
	But I have to say again, I think some of this is orchestrated.
	What I'm not sure about is where it leads with regard to, for example, Europe and Greece, and if they don't go down this more traditional line, if they do start printing their own money as what appears to be what they have in mind, is that the solution for Europe?
	And is that what, for example, the Rothschilds want to see?
	I'm also getting some rumblings that the Rothschilds themselves are having some problems.
	And that may be just a, you know, a crowd control problem.
	I don't know also where we're going with, for example, a place like Egypt that went through a revolution and is kind of now, again, in kind of a holding pattern, from what I understand, and is back in the hands of the military anyway.
	And what that means for Egypt, I'm not sure if there's a substantive change.
	In other words, I do remember a paper that was written quite a while ago, and I forget the name of it, but it was circulated around in the powers that be, the offices of the powers that be, talking about a progressive revolution that they wanted to see in the Middle East, and it would go country by country, and sure enough, that's what's happening.
	Now, what is the end goal?
	And obviously, it seems like the no-brainer is a New World Order, as that is what has been publicized over and over again.
	But is this the way to go about it?
	What are they doing?
	Because I want to believe that the people hold some kind of a substantial card in what they are doing.
	In other words, that they aren't just reacting predictably under these circumstances.
	Well, Carrie, there is no doubt that intelligence agencies are manipulating this as much as possible.
	There are those of us that have not trusted the CIA for a long time, and particularly military intelligence people.
	Now, a lot of those people are bad, but there's a lot of white hats in military intelligence.
	And they have notoriously been at odds with the CIA Because, see, the CIA's out of the country, so is the military, primarily, out of the country.
	There's three levels of military.
	You have the standing army, which are all out of the, mostly out of the states, and some bases, though they're based.
	You have the National Guard and the militias.
	But, generally speaking, it's the military intelligence that's actually out there going, if they're the good guys, and there was a lot of white hats, there still are maybe a few out there, but, by and large, the CIA is very entrenched in this whole global movement.
	Now, I can tell you That it wasn't necessarily from the start.
	Two months before the folks did their first September Occupy, there was a meeting.
	They had this kind of a general assembly, and it kind of came from activists that were ground crew people that probably had some kind of, you know, political persuasion or maybe some kind of philosophy.
	We all do.
	But who was in that meeting was Iceland, Portugal, Greece, Japan.
	Believe it or not, Japan was in it.
	But it all kind of got kicked off by a group that was out of Canada called Adbusters.
	Now, Adbusters is a magazine that was really kind of a very countercultural magazine, very graphic in nature, very artsy-like.
	But anyway, they kind of helped organize a meeting on a national level.
	And when you hear the countries, well, of course, U.S., Canada, Greece, Japan, which is having its struggle because of Fukushima, and Portugal, and all these were meeting together to say, what can we do?
	Then a month later, in the States, over here in New York, they had their first occupation.
	Now that was before September 17th and this one happened.
	And what it was called was an occupation of an area in New York they called Bloombergville.
	Now Bloombergville was this first occupation that they had maybe, oh I don't know, 300 maybe, show up.
	And why they were actually there, and what they were really protesting there, was the homeless.
	Because, guess what?
	The economy's bad, and guess what's happened?
	Middle class has gotten dumped into shabbier homes and so forth, and the ones that could barely hold on to shabbier homes probably ended up homeless, and our homeless population is going through the roof, particularly in the urban settings, and they were protesting it.
	Now here's where it gets kind of interesting and it's important for us to know this other next event occurred and they had some meetings from people that approached them at that occupation a month before September the 17th and they happened to be some unions.
	They were nurses unions.
	And so forth.
	Now, Kerry, I'm not pro or for unions.
	I'm not pro or for corporations.
	I can be really, honestly, I can be very neutral and unbiased about them, because both of these are just groups of people that are trying to get some agenda done, and some of them can stay okay, but after a while, a lot of times, all of it begins to be corrupt.
	I mean, If corporations had morally done the right thing by giving people fair wages and not putting kids to work and so forth, unions would never have taken hold.
	But whenever there's a corruption of something, people finally just pop and they don't take it anymore.
	Well, of course, over the ages, the unions got compromised and so... Okay.
	Well, you know, and I appreciate... It came in.
	Okay.
	We are going to go to commercial right now.
	Dr. Waterman will be right back and continue this discussion.
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	This is Laura Radio, and we're talking to Dr. John Waterman.
	We are live on American Freedom Radio and also broadcasting over Revolution Radio this evening.
	And Dr. Waterman, I know you were giving us something of an overview in this whole thing that's happening in terms of how it started, and I actually want to take you back there to where you were talking about Iceland, etc., because I think you also have to talk about how Iceland was taken down.
	And that that was really sort of part and parcel of the current plot that's going on on Wall Street, et cetera, et cetera.
	So whereas, yes, they got together and yes, these smaller countries such as Portugal, et cetera, I believe even Ireland was in there at some point and still is trying to sort of reject the easy out, if you will.
	But I'm not sure that, in other words, I guess what I'm getting at here is that this
	Global disturbance around the world happening in the economic system is also being mirrored in, for example, the volcanism that we're getting around the planet, as well as in a myriad of other, for example, while I was in India, I guess the seven billion
	A baby was born on the planet, so 7 billion people, and that in 13 years we will add another billion, I believe they said, which just boggles the mind.
	I don't know that that is true, but I was listening to some news shows BBC etc during that time and and and what I'm getting at here at bringing up the population issue is that we've got something going on here where you've got a huge system in which a lot of things are kind of blowing out simultaneously and a program
	That says that some of the people running the system who have been in control who may be looking as though they're losing control.
	I know that the White Hats, for example, have been publishing a recent report talking about certainly that Bush Senior is losing it and saying he has dementia or Alzheimer's, etc.
	But there are plenty of
	sort of people behind the scenes that are also working to orchestrate things in a certain direction and we're getting we're actually headed towards 2012 very rapidly now I note that October 28th came and went and several other dates have come and gone in which very dire predictions were made and those things have not happened so it's it's just it's a crazy time we're going through right now I can't say that
	Just because something didn't happen yet, it's not going to happen.
	I know that Cliff High is also talking about 11-9 as being a time when they may take down the net, temporarily I assume, and do this FEMA test.
	I know that Richard Hoagland was emphasizing that FEMA test as being sort of a A red flag for what might be going on with regard to Elenin, and I don't even know if any of that is pertinent at this time.
	But I'm just kind of throwing a few things in the mix here to get your response.
	Well, on that one, on the 11-9 thing, I think really a lot of people jump on the 11-9 bandwagon and say, you know, all kinds of things.
	But it's definitely a test to see how successful They are completely shutting down all FCC controlled communications.
	They don't really know how successful they are.
	You might think that it's a really easy thing, but they have these, they used to call them emergency broadcast systems.
	They're not called that anymore.
	But they are emergency broadcast.
	But they really were supposed to have the FCC come in radio stations and so forth.
	Check to make sure it's done in local locations where those tests were going.
	It was supposed to be tested by, you know, the corporations that run them.
	But there's really never been a united, nationwide, complete, utter control of everything test all at once done.
	And I think that probably is not just the day something's going to happen.
	I think that's more of a Harbinger of what's coming, because if they can do that, what does that mean?
	You know, that's more important.
	And I think that's really where we ought to, you know, be looking right now is, you know, what does all this mean?
	I mean, I know of a former Russian dissident.
	He's in the UK right now.
	His name's Vladimir Vukovsky.
	He's about 63 years old.
	He's older than I am.
	But he's warning everybody that the EU is headed for an old-style, Soviet Union-style takeover of Europe right now, and that's why he's recommending to get out of it.
	Actually, that coincides, sorry to interrupt, with the, I think it's called the Billy Meyer prophecies, don't know if it's called the Hennock prophecies or what, but they predicted that Soviet Union would be in charge of Europe at a certain point in the future.
	Oh, that's amazing.
	Yeah, that's amazing.
	But, you know, all of this depends on where you're at.
	Like, when we look at Egypt, or even here lately, Libya, and we compare it to, say, Iceland.
	You wanted to talk about Iceland and those two, but we're talking about two different kinds of cultures.
	How they end up Working out for the powers that be as far as manipulation.
	Yes, all of this that we see going on is very much from in the hands of a lot of the tool masters of the CIA, the intelligence communities from the United States, all over this stuff, working with unions and so forth.
	The bottom line, though, is how successful they are depends on where they're at.
	I mean, it wasn't anything at all for them to institute a central banking system connected to all of them in Libya, but they tried that in Iceland, and of course, they went through a pretty up-and-down fight with that whole system.
	They didn't want to be, you know, throwed into it, and eventually, I think, for their own good, they eventually, you know, swallowed the hard pill, but Iceland has ended up, I think, on top.
	Uh, they're more free from what they could have been had they gone ahead and gone the route that They were being told to go.
	You know what I mean?
	But it kind of depends on where you're at.
	You know, different cultures have different kinds of personalities.
	Just like some people are easier to brainwash than others.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, and I think, you know, the United States is just one of them.
	You know, there's a lot of independent thinking.
	Now, I'm going to say this before I even forget this, Carrie.
	You know, aware and awake people that haven't seen this for maybe, you know, I've been at this three decades, we knew it was coming.
	Folks, we're right here.
	Everything in the big picture, Kerry, is changing, and we see that.
	We see the Earth changes, we have cosmic changes, we have geopolitical changes, and I think it's very symptomatic and predicted Very accurately from a lot of the, you know, Pisces to Age of Aquarius.
	I think there's something that has to be said about that.
	But if we don't engage, Kerry, in this Occupy movement, this is my opinion, if we don't get involved, it might get taken down the right path.
	And those of us, Kerry, that are awake and aware, there's enough of us that we could go in and make this not Get hijacked by the bad people.
	And take a route that we know it needs to go.
	It's possible, but we can't just watch.
	We've got to participate.
	Now, I've been doing that.
	that we've uh on one of my broadcasts uh our group the 15th they said sorry you're just uh breaking up here and i don't know if everyone heard you over the air but i assume they did Could you just repeat that last line because I thought it was quite interesting what you were talking about as far as getting involved and you said you had done some kind of broadcast.
	Yes, I'd done a broadcast and I brought Anonymous on and several of the other European Occupy groups, but I had one of the fellas that was the main media contact for the group Anonymous.
	Now, it's kind of an organic thing.
	There's no, like, big head or nothing.
	But some are just taking upon them the responsibility to reach out to media because they've got a talent there.
	So I got... he was on air with me.
	Here's what he said.
	If you hear anything about the government, Saying that Anonymous took down Wall Street on October the 15th.
	Don't believe it because we don't plan on doing it.
	So, you know, so there is a lot of stuff that, you know, we're not going to hear until we get on to American Freedom Radio or Whistler Blower Radio or any of that.
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	Things going on simultaneously such as volcanism, earth changes, 2012 coming around the corner and the potential really for world war as well because this is another ace in the hole that they always usually
	At least the United States government, the military-industrial complex has fallen back on, and that would include, I guess you might say, NATO and so on.
	Whenever they get into a tight squeeze economically, they do this expansionist type of a war.
	And indeed, that is happening.
	Some people see the war in Libya, for example, as a war for liberation.
	Others see it as a takeover, an invasion by the U.S.
	and other sort of forces that the U.S.
	is maybe gathering together to steal the funds, to steal the water of Libya and so on.
	And then I want to ask where China stands in this sort of the scene that's going down in terms of This even in Occupy Wall Street, etc, etc.
	Is China benefiting by by some of the situations going on?
	And there's an article that that was.
	Just in CNN, talking about how China would play a key role in the European Union rescue.
	That was the plan anyway.
	Now, whether it's been derailed, I don't know.
	But what are you thinking about that, Dr. Waterman?
	Well, China has been playing a tug-of-war game with the central banks for a long time, as the central banks are posturing With for this global takeover.
	And I think China is hoping that they get the upper hand on this.
	And so that's why they're playing footsies with the central banks.
	But if they were to think if they were to think that they would lose that battle, I think they would cut some deals and cooperate with the central banks.
	If they were given like the opportunity to be Well, their goal is to make the yuan, the reserve currency of the world, in the central banks, which is a very big, powerful base of operations.
	Where they're standing with regards to the euro bailout is the destination for the central bankers to make the most money from this kind of operation, this Ponzi scheme they've got of banking, is in China.
	Now, they could do it In India, because of the number of people there too, not quite as many as there is in China.
	But see, the reason why China is attractive is because it's a very top-down, centralized, government-controlled environment and they can help reward the regime in control a lot easier there than they can in India.
	India doesn't have as much dictatorial control over its people, so they've chosen China as their destination to control the world hand-in-hand, knowing that their plans are to be getting the upper hand over China.
	But China's going to be soon, so to speak, the little golden Boy, that they're going to allow to take a lion's share of this for their own greedy needs.
	Now, it's really not going to help the poverty levels in China, although the largest middle class of people growing is China.
	But, you know, there's this ridiculous thing where they just reinvest to keep their GDP up.
	They reinvest in buildings and there's nobody in them.
	They won't let anybody in.
	Right.
	So, you know, it's really interesting.
	You know, NATO or the U.S., they can occupy a foreign nation.
	You know, they can kill millions of civilians.
	But these unarmed civilians, they can't occupy a public space in their own country without being shot at.
	I mean, you know, this is ridiculous.
	You know, Obama wanted change.
	But let me tell you something.
	With the help of the awake and aware people, we can make some changes, but they're not going to be what Obama and his puppet masters have in mind.
	I think it's possible, Kerry.
	Don't underestimate the power of dialogue.
	It's so important that even the militias are talking to Occupy right now.
	They're working together.
	In Dallas, at the Occupy event, there was militia Right alongside of Occupy for two different reasons, but they had a common enemy.
	It's very interesting how all the dialectics that they put in place for decades has fallen apart, but what we have to be doing, though, is, you know, we've got, I think, Kerry, with the listeners of Project Camelot, Whistleblower, radio, many other venues like this, and yours is, you know, huge.
	If those people, now that they have learned what they have learned, would take that knowledge and get involved, how much more caution and wisdom they could offer some of these folks as they try and progress through What they're wanting changed and you know some of these are just thinking that on the go and we could help them not make some horrible mistakes that would put us in a worse situation than we are now.
	Okay well along those lines and and you know I do want to allow people to ask some questions here so I'm gonna endeavor to pull up the the actual the call-in line as well and I know people are a few people are typing some questions into the chat
	Specifically, well, some different directions, but before we go there, okay, let's say that we have these people and they have occupied these various areas and we don't want things to go sort of south or to be
	the people on the ground to be used in efforts that are facilitating an agenda that's a dark agenda.
	And this is really the key because there's no doubt that having people, let's say, I know average people might not be the correct terminology for people that simply aren't the typical Camelot viewer.
	What I'm talking about is someone that follows more of a mainstream paradigm.
	What you have now are those people who seem to be waking up, who seem to be occupying Wall Street and other places.
	And where they're really being hit is in terms of their homes being repossessed, etc.
	So, in some ways, this is their awakening, right?
	That's right.
	What is it that you would want to suggest to those people that would give them and give their sort of revolution on the ground so that it isn't just a repeat of, you know, meet the new boss same as the old boss kind of thing?
	The main thing is to go into it with some kind of basic principles rather than some kind of agenda.
	And the principles are, every time some kind of opinion or philosophy or agenda is being getting ready to, well, be pushed, always ask the question, does it give me more liberty and freedom or is it more control?
	And if we answer that question with our guts and our hearts, with all that we know that's, you know, diabolical, especially by the awake and aware people, we're going to end up being able to navigate through whatever it is.
	Now those are, you know, there's certain things we could talk about, you know, all the little nitty-gritty topics, but As a principle, to guide our direction through all these, we just have to ask the question, is this going to give us more freedom and more liberty?
	Now we may not know that answer, Kerry, and that's where we have to go dialogue with people that do.
	Maybe that, well, that think they do and they have two opposite opinions.
	So we just have to try to figure out who's got the best answer.
	I think this is why it's so important for people that are awake and aware Use their gut.
	They can be very sensitive to some kind of shenanigan going on, and follow that.
	And there's how you can start moving in directions that I think are better.
	You know, what's going to happen, as I'm hearing it, is they're going to go through a foreclosure process that's going to be just ferocious.
	And then they're going to hit retirement funds, just like they asked from Greece, and that's here in America.
	When you see those two having, well the foreclosures having slowed down, yet to start peaking by the way, but when they start hitting, after all that hits and they Gone through this heavy foreclosure, ferocious time period, and retirement funds have been raided, your 401ks and so forth.
	That's at about the time that the next big phase of operation is, and that's to make this new monetary system, and everybody's going to be holding the wrong kind of paper, and it ain't going to be worth much, but that's way down the road.
	I think that you have a system and I forget what what you call it but it's a monetary system that's already sort of in a back channel way operational and it has to some degree to do with barter and I know that there are many people beginning to kind of
	They're not falling off the grid exactly, but they are beginning to create background economies that are based more on communities and also on helping each other out and sort of a common
	Trading among them to also trade in skill sets so that these are the kinds of things that people have been doing for some time now and maybe becoming more and more popular as we move into this.
	In other words, occupying the streets and getting out on the streets I think is valuable.
	But I'm not sure how far it goes.
	I do believe that in order to change the paradigm of what we've got going on here, people do need to demand a completely different system rather than just to fix the system they've got.
	Yeah, I think what I mean by getting involved with them wasn't Standing next to him and hollering at the guy across the, you know, the barricade with them.
	That's not what I meant.
	I think what I meant was knowing what's going to help make changes and actually going in and your target is actually the Occupy people and the people participating themselves.
	In 2000, and my goodness, it's been what, 2008 I think it was, I was at a, what was called the Pawpaw Festival, as a people against poverty and apathy.
	There was about, oh I don't know, 750 of these people, bigger than their first one, not as big as their second Occupy.
	Here they are all in their tents with their composting toilets way out in the farm and music going everywhere.
	I told them that we were going to have a financial clap and that October things started going bad.
	What's going on is that there are all kinds of options for currencies and underground economies.
	On the technical side, we've got all kinds of opportunities.
	We've got Bitcoin and many other digital kinds of currencies, but they're not really operating at the level that gives you an opportunity to, you know, pay your rent or your car payment and so forth.
	Most of that is coming still through the regular monetary system So here's the most important thing.
	Step one in getting ready for this is to move out of the big banks.
	Now that's a goal and actually is one of the operations that we ought to be agreeing with and that's November the 5th.
	The 5th of November they're asking everybody to pull out of the big banks and go to your local banks.
	Now some small banks have been managed poorly So it's good to find out what your bank might be and what, you know, one you're thinking about from somebody that understands, you know, how solid somebody is.
	Some banks are better than others, even at the local level, but they're certainly not doing what Chase or Bank of America or any of those are doing.
	So move out and the target for that is November the 1st.
	Right.
	The next thing is local currencies.
	Okay.
	We can move into local currencies and find those most often if you go to your local farmer's market and just start asking around.
	Most of the time if there's a farmer's market there's something like that going on.
	And start trying to engage at the local level with a different kind of trading system.
	Well, it's still going to mean when all this poop hits the fan How are they going to put 350 million Americans out of their house?
	They can't do it!
	So, you know, just try not to be the first round of casualties and move your money out of the big banks and then you won't get out of your house, at least not as easily.
	Okay, and what about this MF Global theft of customers' accounts, where I've got someone writing to me who is a financial guy who Really does know his stuff.
	At least that's the way it seemed in the past.
	And he's saying that apparently about a billion worth of customer accounts in the fall of MF Global.
	Have you heard anything about that?
	And what do you think about that?
	In other words, could that be the tip of the iceberg in this regard?
	Or where's that headed?
	Well, I think even as big as it is, it's, you know, it's sizable.
	It is only the tip of this trillions and trillions of dollars of real fake money that, you know, is going to cause us a problem.
	The key is, if you have your wealth and anything that's on paper, it's going to be Like a carrot on the chef's cutting board.
	They're going to slice a little bit at a time and pretty soon they're going to get to us.
	Or you.
	Absolutely.
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	So the phone number if you want to call in and ask some questions is 402-237-2525.
	is 402-237-2525.
	And I'll repeat that.
	It's 402-237-2525.
	And that is for people that want to call in.
	I hope I've got that right.
	It's a little faint here in my computer.
	The computer that I've got right here.
	I think I've got that right.
	So, at any rate, I am back from India and things are happening all around the world.
	Just absolutely fast and furious.
	It's kind of amazing what is going on and As we were saying just before the break, there are things going on as well with the situation with MF Global and so on, and I wanted to get your take on that particular situation, if you had anything to add to what's going on with MF Global and where that trend might be going.
	Well, I imagine a two-hour broadcast on the blow by blow of MF Global alone could be one whole broadcast, but MF Global is the direct result of the Euro collapse, or the collapse of Europe's monetary system.
	And MF Global is a United States, based in the U.S.
	So, and not only is that one of the first casualties, this just happened Monday, and like the, I think it's, what is it?
	Wow, what's that guys?
	Zero Hedge had published is that, you know, this is like one of the biggest bankruptcies in American history.
	So this isn't a small thing.
	And this is how we're being affected.
	And like I said, though, it was probably a result of a lot of things, but more than likely the expectations of what Happens when somebody like Greece says no.
	And they, you know, what do they do?
	You know, so if people have invested paper and it sets within the control of these central banks, it's eventually going to crumble apart.
	And that's what actually is planned by the public masters, because what they want to do is collapse the actual title or ownership of things.
	into their hands so they have total control over maybe your house or your farm or your car or whatever.
	And that's the goal.
	But there's kind of a little battle going on inside their little circles for who's going to be king on the hill of that pile.
	And so that's getting heated up because they can actually see the end come.
	We see the end coming, and they actually know the end's coming.
	So they're starting to see who's going to knock each other off for King Kong, so to speak.
	I think that, you know, one of the things to look at is not to be getting too worried now.
	We had a question in the chat room, you know, where do you go?
	What about credit unions?
	Well, credit unions, in my opinion, Are they safe?
	No, because you're still dealing in a monetary system that's eventually going to be bankrupted.
	Here's how I carry it.
	The only thing I can say is, you keep everything in cash that you need in order to pay your bills.
	Your house, your rent, your payment, your car, whatever, your gas.
	Everything you have to, but everything you don't have to, don't be sitting on paper and don't be sitting on that kind of thing.
	Actually invest it.
	Now, that can be risky, too.
	I mean, the other day, there was actually a grain elevator that exploded.
	So, I mean, even owning something that's actually a commodity can be dangerous.
	Hey, it's by and large much more safe than these paper instruments.
	And we're not even talking about derivatives or any of that, which people don't have a clue what they are, and it doesn't make any difference.
	In the world that we really live in, if we don't understand it, then we don't need it.
	It's just that simple.
	And so, you know, it really is coming down, and look, can we get philosophic for a second here, kind of out there a little bit?
	I think that what's happening is the fiat fake and faux world, anything, whether it be money or anything, false attitudes, faking out your partner or any of that kind of thing that isn't real is about destined for destruction here shortly.
	But it does not mean that it's going to be a smooth ride.
	We're going to have a rocky road.
	But what I think is getting to happen is getting rid of all the fake.
	I want to say that I think that those are wise words.
	I do believe that we're into a time in which becoming authentic in all ways is really the name of the game and that there's something I'm sure that an astrologer would point up to where the facade is showing through into the truth and it's really the moment in time when
	When the truth in all things becomes paramount and people are going to have to set aside their facades and really live by the truth rather than just spout the truth.
	In other words, it's all one.
	So I think we're moving into that time.
	And I do think, though, that it's very interesting, you know, coming from India and seeing the very rich living side by side, literally, with the poorest of the poor, is a very interesting experience.
	And we did stay at places that were fairly upscale and palatial.
	And yet we were walking among the streets and in the temples with the locals passing this, you know, the most meager of, you know, in terms of income people on the streets and so on, on a regular basis all around India.
	And that was very, very interesting.
	I think there's also a growing sense in the third world you know whatever you want to call that in which they are now coming into their own.
	I have to say the energy in India is really fascinating.
	Delhi is growing in leaps and bounds and it's not necessarily a good thing health-wise because the pollution is again escalating and people are coming in from the countryside as more and more and more and and this is true Bombay which is also called Mumbai at this time and so on and I was in both places The thing that is so interesting, though, is that there is a sense of hope.
	It is not a sense of hopelessness in countries like that, where their populations are exploding and their incomes are obviously not following suit.
	Although there has been an explosion in, say, India in terms of the high tech industry and what it has afforded, Sort of a growth of a middle class that that India really didn't have in the past I was there back in 1990 I think it was so it's been about 20.
	I think it's 20 years since I was there last and I see a difference.
	I see a powerful energy out there in us and also a sense of Let's see national character so that in spite of what's happening to some of Western Europe and And some of certainly the United States and possibly a few other countries there.
	They're going downhill economically.
	The third world is rising and you can see it everywhere.
	There's an energy and excitement about it.
	So I don't think that everything that's happening right now is dark.
	I think that the Western world is going to have to start to look at life in some different ways and maybe approach that as well differently.
	I think you're right.
	The reason why the third worlds are rising is the protectionism of certain more wealthy countries has dropped, but that didn't mean that they couldn't have gotten it.
	The problem that you see in carrying these underdeveloped countries, there isn't a middle class.
	There is a growing middle class now, but there isn't a middle class.
	Traditionally, You do have the very extremely wealthy with a 5,000, 10,000, 20,000 square foot home they're living in right next to the extreme person in poverty.
	And they can actually exist there.
	And it's from generation to generation that this has come about.
	But what amazes me is at least it gets to us here in America, to a person that's lived here When you experience that there, it's almost too much to burden.
	And the reason why it's not changed, I think, is because those people that have that huge amount of wealth, they don't even see the poverty.
	They ignore it.
	Now, there are some good people over there with it, but by and large, there's just so many out there that they know they couldn't help because they just don't have that much wealth.
	It ends up causing them just to completely ignore them.
	They don't even think or even look at them or exist, you know, they don't even exist to them psychologically.
	But what's really more important is protecting what has been acquired through hard work and not let it get stolen from people as we bring other nations in the world And you know what?
	I really don't think we have something or it's necessary to really think in terms of having limits on things that we need because they're really there.
	What controls all this is the distribution system, which, of course, the powers that be control.
	But I was going to ask you, Kerry, when you got back, you were in India.
	What was the pace like compared to here in the States?
	When you came back here, did you maybe sense a much faster pace?
	Did you come back to an America that is moving rapidly in the wrong direction?
	I mean, did you sense anything like that when you came back?
	No, actually, the pace of life seemed faster, if anything, seemed faster in India.
	I know that sounds crazy.
	You don't even, in the countryside, at least where I went,
	have that much sense anymore that it is kind of going um by the wayside and that that people are just even if they are living in farms and and so on um they're headed to the cities with their goods they are selling them they are uh in other words the growth that this the central theme seems to be growth and where you have growth you have energy and where you have energy you have
	a certain amount of optimism.
	And so that's what I saw.
	You know, maybe some people would see other things, but I really, the faces of the children, the excitement, the intelligence of the people and the growing education systems, just the sort of aspirations that are coming to the fore, just the sort of aspirations that are coming to the fore, where maybe in the past they weren't there is a sense of a progression there.
	And when I come back to the States, what I do see is more dissolution.
	What I see is destruction.
	What I see is sort of a grabbing to hold on to, as you said, Keep what we have but at whose expense and that sort of thing.
	So I'm seeing a world where there's a redistribution of wealth and a rebalancing and I think and you know maybe this is going to sound a little too I don't know, spiritual for for the listener.
	But I would say that coming at the situation and what's going on in the states, I'm not sure that what's going on is going to be leading to battening down the hatches here in the states.
	I think that we are looking at becoming more fluid and less sort of holding less tightly to our wealth and our borders, etc, etc.
	And I think that there is going to be continue to be more of an influx and less concentration on sort of us versus them.
	I think that we are in a time, if anything, when divisions are beginning to become more fluid and beginning to disappear.
	Borders and things like borders always have been an illusion.
	Maybe it's just the effect of India on the mind, but I really see A time a lot more like the time of the John Lennon song, you know, Imagine.
	And I think that people need to also imagine in their own circumstances a different approach.
	I heard some people on the trip talking about how they were viewing their own circumstances differently.
	You know, places where they thought they had a lack of something or something wasn't really the same.
	They weren't feeling even a sense of impatience with life.
	I found myself becoming more and more patient the longer I was in India.
	I know it sounds bizarre, but all those people, all that energy, it's really something to behold and I don't know, I think there's hope for the world.
	We'll be right back.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, talking to Dr. John Waterman.
	And we are live on American Freedom Radio as well as Revolution Radio tonight.
	and we've got about 15 minutes left in the show.
	Where would you like to go from here, Dr. Waterman, because I know that there is just so much going on.
	Have you heard anything new in regard to where things may go in the very near future?
	In other words, are you hearing about, as I am, I'm not sure what you're hearing, but of troops that are gearing up, even some Troops from other countries coming into our country, for example.
	Preparations being made for something.
	What have you been hearing?
	Well, I am hearing that the base of operation for many of these zones that have been given to the Chinese in our country are the base of operation for, well, the intelligence communities out of China.
	And it's suspicious because there's a few of us that think that probably it's also going to be the base of operation for a possible attack on America from Chinese troops.
	Now, as bizarre as that sounds, that is also a good reason for us to be thinking we don't have to worry about it.
	So we take our guard down.
	We have to remember, Kerry, that, you know, a while back here, the Chinese chief of staff or joint chiefs of staff guy, their main Military leader in China said, we want America.
	I mean, their goal is to take our land, our houses and everything.
	Take it all over.
	And so we're hearing quite a few rumblings about that now.
	I don't know what is going to be the response, but they're going to have their hands full just with the American public.
	It's so armed, you know.
	And so I think probably if they do anything at all, it's going to be after an economic collapse when everybody's preoccupied.
	And you know, one of the things that I have to say about this whole mess is we have to leave, you know, these money systems that exist today because they're based on a debt.
	They're based in debt.
	And we're not going to get anywhere if we continue to do this.
	There's no need to be in debt.
	Money should just be a commodity or a substance that is used to exchange energy.
	You know, what people need done, or to do, or get done, can be represented in this object.
	And it doesn't mean that when somebody's given that object that they owe them more than the object actually was worth to start with, which is called debt.
	If you, you know, cost seven cents to make this stupid piece of paper called a hundred dollar bill, then we shouldn't but just, you know, divvy up the seven cents.
	It shouldn't cost us a hundred dollars.
	This debt-based system, this fake debt, this debt out of nowhere, this system, that's the primary core of all of this whole thing.
	And, you know, it's got to end now.
	Before I forget, Kerry, and I want to talk to you about this thing you mentioned, but on my website, the Waterman Files, in Today, one of today's posts on my front page is an audio interview of Arkosog Radio and Occupy Radio from Europe.
	And they have a bunch of Dutch interviews of all the Occupy locations going on.
	But I've edited those all out and there's one of the callers in from one of the locations and they had an interview in English.
	It just so happens to be one of the leaders from New York that started with this movement when it started.
	And if they go there, they're going to hear some really interesting things I don't think have been on any even alternative radio station here on the stateside.
	So I'm going to encourage them to go there and play that.
	They're going to get some music, then they're going to hear the interview.
	And I think that's probably something that will answer a lot of their... Well, it's going to give them some insight about The guts of that group and where some of the leadership and what was going on.
	There's a lot of questions and I think you're going to hear answers there that you haven't heard yet.
	But back to this, this other thing that you were talking about, Kerry, I think that.
	You know, when we're talking about China, when we're talking about all this, the military threat it.
	There we have to get over the fact that there are nations That actually would love to take over, not us people, well they'd love to be able to put us to work as a slave, but if we would just walk away from the land that we have and go to Mars or whatever, they'll take it.
	And they'll fight over this.
	This is probably one of the most lush continents on the entire planet.
	And it's the most productive.
	It has lots of agricultural development and base to it.
	So, not that others can't be also.
	And I think that that's probably why China would actually want it and there's no doubt in my mind they're here.
	There are troops.
	And Carrie, I don't know a long time ago when we first met we were talking about at that point in time what I saw in these underground bases.
	Remember that?
	Where I had actually gone underground and I was brought into this underground facility And there was this huge chain wall.
	Now, I can't say that the chains were from top to bottom of the floor only.
	They went from wall to wall, which was anchored in the rock, and from ceiling to floor, which was rock.
	And they kind of made a grid pattern of about a foot hole between each one of them.
	And these links in the chain were so heavy, I probably couldn't have picked up but one of them.
	But there they were.
	On the back side of it was this drab army green colored tarp.
	And the guy that was bringing me there happened to be a security guard.
	He pulled out his flashlight, took his knife out, ripped it back, pulled it open, and there behind the tarp were military vehicles that were not U.S.
	So I know that there are foreign There is foreign equipment in this country sitting there ready to go.
	They were absolutely immaculate, but they were not American.
	Okay, I do remember that story, and in fact, you know, Bill Ryan and myself were told a similar story by a whistleblower in another way, but very similar, so I'm sure that that's probably quite accurate.
	At this point though, I'm wondering, I guess you've heard about what Benjamin Fulford is writing on his blog about explosions going on in underground bases and some supposed takeovers of those bases.
	I wonder if you think those are accurate?
	I think we could look to the web bot for some of the potential of accuracy.
	I don't know anything about whether they're accurate or not.
	What he's saying is accurate.
	It wouldn't surprise me if it was.
	The web bot's saying that we're going to hear after the fact about some alien presence in this country, in the United States, that the government had problems with.
	And so I think that, you know, it could be that we've got You know, these cooperative efforts that's been going on, we know in the Black Ops with the, you know, the Black Ops operations in these secret places, there's no doubt all this technology is a lot of this advanced stuff that we don't even know about came from them.
	And here we are with a, you know, long, well, what, since the 40s or whatever, at least with this country.
	Uh, maybe even earlier, uh, operation where they're supposedly engaged in some kind of agreement or trade or whatever.
	Well, you know, sometimes the odds are, you know, they call it, what do they call that?
	I can't remember.
	Eventually, things don't go like they're planned, and it could have been that there was just a coup by the aliens to try and take over whatever, or get loose, or whatever, and it might have happened.
	I don't know, but I'm not beyond understanding the fact, actually, Kerry, I don't believe, I am highly informed of the fact There are aliens, and it happened to come from Frank.
	Now, this is the first time I've ever said this, Kerry.
	And Frank told me this.
	Now, Frank, who's Frank?
	Well, he was 45 years of counter-espionage in the military.
	He was my mentor.
	His father was the judge on the Nuremberg trials.
	He comes from a long lineage of people that are in the know, and that's what he told me.
	And he had lots of info about that and many other things.
	So I'm not in a situation where I have to believe.
	I've been told this.
	And now, what could happen, you know, past that?
	Well, you know, anything goes.
	Who knows?
	Maybe they did have to blow up something.
	I don't know.
	But I do know that if we're playing with bad guys or aliens, and some of them have a dark agenda, we're putting this country, this planet, in jeopardy.
	And I think that probably Some of the stuff that's predicted in the web bot report is actually going to happen because of that and the fact that we know that there is aliens and that some of them aren't so good.
	So we're probably facing a time when some pretty bad stuff is going to happen and of course here we are on this epic journey with this grandiose calendar of time in front of us where we do have some kind of comprehension of the big picture Which tells us, hey, the age is upon us and, hey, I think it's probably going to happen.
	I mean, we're going to have some big changes and it's going to probably put some of us in the couch, you know, and talking to somebody.
	So we just have to be prepared and put our head around it now so we can operate when it happens.
	And just be careful.
	We know that, first of all, Carrie, and I don't think I'm probably preaching to the choir, there's bad ones out there.
	They're not all good.
	There's bad guys.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And there are a multitude of agendas as well, which is...
	You know, at any rate, thank you so much, Dr. Waterman, for coming on the show at such short notice, as usual, saving the day in that regard.
	And I was very, very happy to be able to come back on the air this quickly after my return.
	Sorry we didn't get into details.
	We will address those details of my trip at a later date.
	We will be Getting into all of these subjects and much, much more, I encourage people to stay tuned to my blog for more information.
	You want to give out your website and other pertinent details for some of those communities as well, Dr. Waterman.
	You can get to all of them at thewatermanfiles.com.
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