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07/20/2011 Tommy Hawksblood and Dr. Bill Deagle.

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door
	Stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	Strange sheet of stone, deep cat eye green.
	No way to escape it, no one hears my scream.
	He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
	I can't help but longing, I'll feel when he moans.
	He's a Jaguar!
	He's a Jaguar.
	In July on the 20th and we have two very interesting guests today.
	We have Tommy Hoxblood who is someone who is not all that familiar to me but he is a UFO researcher and experiencer and he's going to be joining me for the first hour and if things go as planned Dr. Bill Deagle will be joining us the second hour.
	I did have a confirmation earlier From him, but at this point I'm not able to get through to him, so I don't know for sure that we have a clear channel going on there.
	But at any rate, we'll make it through this evening and see what happens.
	Just a couple announcements before we go to Tommy.
	I just want to let everyone know that we are having a very interesting live event happening on Friday, this Friday, which is July 22nd.
	And we have, it's called James Bond is real.
	It's based on a book written by Mike Sparks, who is a paratrooper, ex paratrooper, someone who works in the defense industry.
	And we have Jim Mars, who has been interviewed by Project Camelot in the past.
	And Jim is absolutely stellar researcher.
	Greg Hallett, Dr. James Fetzer, and Dr. James Viken, all of whom are stellar researchers into the Nazis' hidden technology, as well as mind control, etc.
	So, that event should be absolutely incredible.
	This information about Ian Fleming, some of it is groundbreaking.
	It's new information that hasn't come out before.
	Mike has dedicated his life to uncovering the truth about what's really gone on there.
	There's a lot of cover-up in regard to Ian Fleming's life, what he really was, what he really was involved in, and how he came upon writing the information that was contained in the James Bond Series so I encourage everyone to listen I am in the middle of reading Mike Sparks book and I have to say it's it's it's excellent.
	So So we shall have a very interesting roundtable discussion.
	It's now at the low price of $10 a ticket Simply because it seems like people out there are having some trouble with finances.
	We do have to pay our tech team and Out of this money that we earn and we also need to pay our speakers to make it worth their while to spend the time that they do preparing for this sort of an event.
	Keep in mind that Project Camelot does exist on donations and this is one of the only ways that we have devised to actually bring money in to this company at this time to make possible future interviews.
	So when you do pay your money for these events you are supporting Project Camelot as well as our Tech team and researchers or speakers, whoever is involved, takes actually a couple weeks.
	We've got a stellar team of volunteers coming in and creating an amazing video promo.
	If you haven't seen it on YouTube, I encourage you to do so.
	And then also we have a wonderful designer who makes the beautiful ads that you've been seeing around.
	So, like I said, this is a great event, great thing to be part of.
	These roundtable discussions are where you get experts in the field comparing notes, having a very open discussion.
	This kind of thing does not happen on the web, it doesn't even happen in live conferences.
	Normally, researchers don't address each other.
	They only talk to the audience.
	And so this is a very unique situation we've got going on here, and I hope that the public will appreciate it and our audience will understand what it is we've got going on.
	George Kavasalis, my interview with him called Moving Into 5D, has been on the web for about a week now and is reaching a lot of people.
	People are being stunned by the wonderful information that George brings across, and we had a great discussion in Glastonbury in the U.K. a few months ago.
	So just released that a couple days ago.
	There is also an interview on audio that is a preliminary investigation with Cynthia Marie Brewer and she is part of the Brewer family line.
	Her DNA was apparently one of the first sequenced at least in the public domain.
	There's all kinds of secrets in regard to the Human Genome Project that you may not be aware of.
	It involves the genetic re-engineering of humanity and goes very, very deep into the rabbit hole.
	I encourage you to listen to that interview.
	You will see that it's my preliminary phone call with her.
	I gave her some tough questions.
	I was not easygoing.
	She was a great sport and she handled it very well.
	She's absolutely brilliant and her information is Is really rocking some boats and I think that she sounds absolutely out of her mind if you don't realize that what she's talking about is actually true.
	So I do encourage you to listen to it.
	I asked her some very hard questions.
	She responded very well and that was just the first of an investigation into this area and I encourage you to assist her if you are at all interested in that type of topic.
	So, at this moment, let's go over to Tommy Hawksblood.
	Tommy, are you with us?
	Yes, I am.
	Can you see me?
	Yes, I can, and we are on radio, so although I can see you, the rest of the public cannot.
	Oh, okay.
	This is a radio show, but I appreciate you being on Skype there, and it's very nice to talk to you.
	I'd like you to give your own introduction, if you don't mind, Tommy.
	We've been linking to a website for you on our site leading up to this radio show, but if you could introduce yourself, that would be great.
	Hello, everybody.
	It's a pleasure to be out here again.
	I just want to start off.
	My spiritual quest started when I was very, very young.
	I had basically any experience that everybody would ever want or not want in their lifetime.
	They started around six years old.
	From that time on, by the time I was 14, I was already being visited by spirits, beings.
	I met with an alien and I was watching ships.
	I came very close to a UFO.
	And as I turned 14, my best friend was one of the top psychics in the United States, who I worked with for two years.
	I went into the occult for a few years, learned about magic, started doing ghost busting when I was 16, and that was in around 1968.
	New York City, and a lot of really haunted houses, so I Got grounded in all those things.
	And over the past years, from that point on, I started going into spiritual quest, which led me into understanding about the different levels of spiritualism in religions, and how they relate to God, Spirit.
	And during that time, I realized I wanted more, and I spent the rest of my life Searching truth and the truth about spirit and God, which over the years came to a great understanding for me.
	As I started lecturing, I got involved with UFOs and aliens.
	And then I spent many years doing research, just filming UFOs and strange phenomena, which was basically out of New Jersey.
	And one of the most critical points that very few people talk about is how important New Jersey is in the UFL realm.
	Because a lot of the original sightings and ships and all that started out of out of Monaco, New Jersey, and around New Jersey areas, because I was 12 years old in Hudson County Park, a ship landed right in the middle of a park.
	And it made the paper, but it never made it much further than that.
	And over the years, I got involved with, I call it soul travel, out of body experiences, starting to travel to different realms.
	And little by little, I just got more and more understanding of everything that's happening to the world, to the people, what we relate to.
	I don't want to go too much into that.
	I have so much that I want to try to squeeze into what I want to try to say tonight.
	Because over the experiences that I went through, there's so much false stuff.
	And the word whistleblower, I really would like to blow the whistle on a few things.
	One is religion.
	One is spiritualism.
	One is aliens.
	Prayer and throwing the government because they all relate to each other they all work with each other and none of it has anything to do with quote the word most people are shying away from now is God.
	I also studied Tibetan religion for a while my partners are becoming a nun and I have a lot of experience with that and I see what level it takes people.
	So I want to focus on specific things right now because I was the first person I wasn't the first person, but when I was little, I was the only one in my area that was playing with the Ouija board when I was eight years old.
	And if you talk to religionists and spiritualists, they say how bad it is and how evil it is.
	And all's I can say about that, Kreskin, who I learned to work with and I learned hypnosis through and started doing that, he created a game, I call it a game, but it was a pendulum, and it was a Ouija board pendulum.
	And that became famous because a lot of the new age people walk around with pendulums and they say, wow, this is good.
	But it's the same energy that drives a Ouija board.
	I want to release a few fears about what people say.
	Whatever you have in your thoughts and your energy is what you perceive and what you actually manifest in your reality.
	So if you're working with demons and you see demons, you're going to pull them up on a Ouija board or a crystal or whatever you work with.
	The medicine woman I work with and studied with for 22 years, She was the first woman in the United States really teaching about crystals, and I studied with her for a long time, and I learned how to use crystals, stones, got involved with healing.
	But in the interim, the UFO thing was always in the back of my mind, because I started seeing ships wherever I went, and I got close to a few of them.
	Then I linked up with a friend of mine, and we were going up to Wanaque, New Jersey, which is the hottest place, I think, for all kinds of phenomena, because that's basically where the whole Montauk Project was Came to a head when they split the vortex and they allowed all these different creatures and beings and everything else out of that.
	And that's what we're dealing with right now.
	Now, I can go into one thing at a time as far as like, I'm sorry if I don't go on.
	No, no, that's okay, Tommy.
	That's a great start and a good introduction.
	At this point, what I'd like you to do is sort of Sort of slow down a little bit and and let's let's talk about what it is I see where you've kind of been in the early days I see that you have quite a journey journey going on there Can you tell me where you're at right now?
	What is what is your conclusion as to?
	Sort of how you see the world moment and perhaps the very near future.
	Let's say 2011 end of 2011 going into 2012 and Alright, I'm out of place.
	The reason I put out my third book, which is Truth Beyond the Illusion, is because there's so much false teachings, false awareness, and false information.
	Sure, we're getting some true information about things that are happening, and the truth is, people don't want to hear anything bad.
	So all the New Age people out there, all the spiritualists are pushing this ascension word, which I'm totally against, which is a great word if it was reality for mankind.
	I just listened to a famous friend of mine who was speaking a little while ago, and they promote certain things about healing and healing the world.
	But the world is in the most serious trouble it has ever been since it was created.
	And I won't say because of aliens, I won't say because of the government, I will say because of people!
	If people ever realized, from Atlantis on, that unity and compassion could create a beautiful world, it wouldn't take science, it wouldn't take all these other things that we've been getting into, it wouldn't take all these super tools to work with, and everything around us.
	I learned a long time ago, prayer is, the only thing that prayer is, is a way to talk to yourself.
	If everybody thinks God listens to what they have to say, I mean, that would be great!
	But I mean, God would hear this garbage and it wouldn't have time to focus on really important things, like what's really happening to the universe and the lower realms.
	They're all being crystallized to the physical realm.
	The astral plane, which is merging with this plane, and that's why all the aliens and different dimensional beings are coming here.
	And I want to just say this right now, the connection between aliens, demons, spiritual beings, and quote the words that we like to use, the deities, and the way they all relate to each other, it's hard to separate them when, say, an interdimensional being versus an angel.
	Uh, and the concept that man created for himself, that good means, well, they give us what I want, they help us do what we want to do, and bad means they don't let us do what we want to do.
	And the concept of that was created and really twisted through the Bible.
	And I became aware of many of my lifetimes.
	Uh, there's a few speakers that one person that's going to be on Friday, I totally agree with.
	I mean, many, much of what he says is right in alignment with what I have experienced as far as Being out of the body, the deities and angels and all those things, they're all here to keep us here.
	And when people realize that, people unfold, the word reincarnation will be exposed.
	Even that's a word that keeps us here because of attachment.
	And mankind has keep creating attachment to physical things.
	Even if it's family, cars, houses, even the worst probably perversion on this planet is sexual.
	Because mankind has corrupted that to make it like the only thing that's important in the physical realm.
	And then they use the word peace when we're so far from that.
	And no spiritualist, when I channel, I challenge a lot of native people when I was traveling around the reservations, I travel a lot of different islands.
	And also I've been finding out most people just want to hear good stuff.
	I mean, that's great.
	But if the world was going through those changes, which we are, which will happen in the next year, and every month, getting closer to the end of the year, we're going to see incredible disasters.
	I'm not saying that it's good.
	But mankind keeps creating the energy for those things to happen.
	And then they'll either blame God or they'll blame the government.
	The government is our reflection of us in some ways.
	We could change the government tomorrow if we really wanted to.
	But people like to be led, even in religions.
	And I just read a quote, somebody sent it to me, about Bruce Lee.
	His quote was, he who walks in darkness unaware will never see the light.
	And I learned that through traveling out of the body.
	And once you leave the lower realms, you can see the beauty of the true spiritual realms of God.
	And I want to bring this out, which people should be aware of, that it's been here.
	Shirley MacLaine did a movie a long time ago, Out on a Limb.
	I think people should at least start off there, because it shows, there's something called the silver cord, which connects all souls to their physical body, and when people say they travel through these higher realms, and all these things are happening, until they can separate from that, they're not going to go further than the astral plane.
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	only on American Freedom Radio. - Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, with the Laura Radio, and we're talking to Tommy Hawksblood
	About a myriad of subjects to do with spirituality, UFOs, and your encounters with the sort of unknown, unseen realm.
	Tommy, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, great.
	So, at the moment, we were interrupted.
	You were going into some various ideas that you have in terms of, you know, sort of traveling out of body and so on.
	You were saying that you also talk to, I guess, indigenous peoples, Native Americans and others, perhaps.
	Right.
	And what is it that you talk to them about?
	Well, the first thing is, I won't say a lot of the names, but a lot of the elders believe that the star beings are going to come and save them when the disasters start.
	And I also talk about world peace.
	But I was actually with Thomas Pinaka right before he died.
	I was with John Kimi, who was the carrier of the Hopi Prophecy after him, who changed it much to what it was originally, to what's really happening.
	And getting back to many of the elders, they want to let it go, that they're going to be protected.
	And I said, when do you get protected?
	There was 50 million Native people here 200 years ago.
	They're down to less than 1 million.
	I said, if you believe in these great spirits coming down to protect you, when do they come down?
	When there's five left?
	When there's ten?
	I mean, a million versus fifty millions, a lot of people died without the protection that they're assuming is coming down.
	They do get involved with Sasquatch and Bigfoot, but I saw no records, and I deal with a lot of people that are very close to them and deal with them, of them even helping us in any way.
	There's a few people that channel Bigfoot and say that they help him with healing work and stuff like that.
	And I'll go in.
	I was doing past life regressions and I actually do psychic implant removals because people, a lot of people aren't even aware that they've been abducted.
	I debate a lot of hypnotists because I started when I was 14 years old.
	And these hypnotists say, well, you can't make people do what they don't want and say what they don't want.
	And I was doing that when I was 16.
	So the idea that these aliens could abduct people and reprogram them, condition them, tell them different things is another story.
	Uh, that would be a whole thing to get into because right now mankind is accepting the fact that there's good aliens and they're going to come here and help us.
	Uh, I can go through all the names, which I won't, but I'll challenge any of them to show any proof that alien races will come to this planet to save mankind at any level other than maybe a couple hundred people.
	If you were a race traveling through a multiple universe, and you come into this planet, and I would say, like, picture a pile of ants in a mountain, on their little ground.
	Would you come down here and try to teach them how to build spaceships?
	What would you do with those little people?
	So, these beings, as far as technical, they're so far advanced than we are, and to believe that they would come here for anything other than, and I'll tell you two things they really come here for.
	One is food, and it's physical food and psychic food.
	They use energy, and they're here for energy.
	But they do come for our water, our plants, and different things that we cultivated for them.
	So the reason why we see... I film ships going in and out of the Hudson River, and they scoop up water, and they just go right back out into space.
	I mean, I watch creatures up at Wanaque, and I had a partner.
	We went there four days a week, for hours every night, filming, shooting 200 to 2,000 pictures in a night.
	And we've got so many strange creatures there, and basically it all started because of the Montauk Project, which is, if you want to understand that, you have to read the book and follow the whole details, because it was the Philadelphia Experiment, and then later on it became the Montauk Project.
	And I could go on about stories with that, but I just want to throw this in with all this, because we conceived a program, which is the same as hypnosis, and Kreskin called it mass hypnosis, when he talked about Hitler.
	And when they control people, it's a power of suggestion.
	And aliens, when they abduct people, they give them complete reconditioning.
	Many people say, oh, I had a good abduction.
	And the first thing I'll say to a person like that, how do you have a good abduction?
	Did they come to your house, ring your doorbell and say, you want to take a trip on a ship and go, or you want to give us some of your body parts to play with?
	I mean, how do you have a good abduction?
	So right there, it's just showing it's conditioning and brainwashing.
	And people that I have worked on, just no missing time.
	And that's happening between, I'd say 25 and 30 years ago it started, that I actually started working with people that were.
	So it's not like it's a new thing.
	And why I feel I'm a little more important coming out right now, because I was doing this when I was 14 years old.
	And that was in 1964, 65, I started getting involved with all these different things.
	And I was always considered crazy, because people didn't understand any of that.
	No, no, it's fine.
	You know, I do understand.
	I have to say I was involved in this as a young age as well and I think that there are other people out there that have been and more so maybe nowadays.
	So, it appears that you are on the right track.
	You do have some good information.
	You spent a long time over in the New Jersey area, is that correct?
	Yes, I lived there for 45 years.
	I see.
	And are you're not there anymore.
	I'm in Hawaii right now.
	Uh huh.
	But when I was in Hawaii has a lot of UFO stuff going on.
	Yes.
	Greatly.
	But as far as Bigfoot and Sasquatch and creatures that I haven't found any evidence for myself.
	I mean, I'm out in the woods and things like that.
	I don't see much of that.
	Getting back to Jersey.
	If you get near that area, it's all government property.
	They have signs saying you'll get shot if you go on it and things like that.
	I mean, it's probably not as known as much as Area 51 where I was just out recently last month, but they do have incredible things going on there.
	And let me put this out because people don't know the story of New Jersey.
	In the early 1900s, Tesla was working with DuPont there on this mountain up in Wanaque.
	He created all his inventions.
	He came up with all these ideas.
	I will say this.
	It's in small documents that Tesla did work with an alien.
	But during that time, the government flooded the whole city there.
	And they created Wanaque Reservoir.
	They put a bridge over it.
	And for six months, UFOs were going in and out of the reservoir, winter and summer.
	The ships would go right through the ice.
	The Army was stationed around it, and they didn't do nothing, and finally they just left.
	And then it kind of like pulled out.
	But you have to base it on to when the Monto Project really started, and when the Philadelphia Experiment started.
	Basically, it was when Tesla died, the year he died, they created the Philadelphia Experiment.
	But that all relates to Jersey, because that's where he was working and created these inventions.
	And that's where...
	Yeah, yeah, that's good information.
	Now, do you happen to know about a time travel cult novel called Ong's Hat?
	Well, what I will say about that, there's three different time travel groups around right now that I know of, and they're basically I said, many, many years ago, the first group is considered the Pleiadians.
	And they're really here now, in physical form, too, because they're trying to stop us from creating a weapon that will destroy this planet.
	Because if we destroy the present, we destroy the future.
	I mean, and I just heard another speaker talking a couple hours ago, how it's flatlined past, present, and future all the same.
	It is that way in some ways, especially in the physical realm.
	Because if you do change the past, you can change the future, which we did with the Philadelphia Project.
	So, as with these time travelers, they're going to cause chaos, because when you put things out of place, which a lot of artifacts are being found now that are pre-date, wrong dates, and things that shouldn't be inside things, the time traveling viewpoint is interesting, but it's going to hurt the planet, and it's going to hurt the universe in so many ways.
	Yes, I know the person from Jersey who was traveling to Mars and all those kind of things.
	There's a lot of things happening with time travel, but if you play with it, it's going to change and it could cause the worst disaster through the universe, which would cause the change of complete time through history, which we're working on playing with right now.
	And I know, and I was involved with this personally, government people have smaller time travel devices, which they were using 15 years ago, that I know of.
	And people that are trying to go through time, you can't change something once it's already happened.
	Even though you say, I'll go back and change it, you put another molecule out of place, which creates more molecules out of place.
	So you're not really, you're changing it, but not changing it back to being better or the way it was.
	You're creating a different scenario out of that that creates what's happening to the planet right now.
	The Earth is a reflection of our Yes, if the whole world was spiritual and compassionate, I'd use the word compassionate, the world would be a lot safer to live on.
	But since mankind has created war and kept it going, and anger and hate and abuse has grown in the past 200 years, not shrink or get removed from the planet.
	And people talk about ascension, which is why I really had to write my book When I talk to these people in the New Age world and what they see happening, what they say is going to happen, I more than anybody would love to see us step into a higher dimension, more spiritual.
	But you can't take something and make it that.
	For if you believe in a God, God created us for a reason, and it's not the reason to like, I mean, there's a belief that this is all illusion.
	And if that was true, that would mean God has a bad dream every day.
	But I don't believe in that theory or idea at all.
	I wouldn't even accept it.
	But as far as being here right now, every soul is growing.
	And as souls grow in themselves, not as a group, that when they reach a high enough level, when they go past the astral plane, that energy starts going back towards God.
	And God grows with that.
	And the idea that God doesn't grow is another stagnant idea that God doesn't grow with the growth of human race or universes.
	And everything that it creates, if you go back through history, back to different worlds and stuff, and see what was created, and how it changed, and what it became, and how we keep moving.
	Soul moves forward 99% of the time, and every soul, whatever they are right now, is the best they have ever been.
	So when people say, well, I was a king, and rich, and spiritual, and they're a street puppet killing people, there's no way that can happen.
	Soul keeps progressing.
	I mean, some souls, like mass murderers, check out their past lives.
	I was empathic.
	I was able to see people's lives and see their energy that they flow.
	And I asked God, our spirit, to take it away.
	Because when you look at people, you see this darkness around them.
	People can't hide who they are or what they are, no matter what they say, no matter what they do.
	It's a matter of your spirit, which is what you truly are, when you leave and you start traveling.
	I'll get into that.
	When you step out of the body, I had my first experience when I was 25.
	I mean a real experience where I was with a group of people who were doing this exercise and suddenly I'm looking at my body and I'm looking at all the people sitting in the room.
	At that time this ball of light came down and I grabbed it and I was shown the next 10 years of my life.
	But from that point on I was starting to do traveling out of the body and I started meeting with all these deities that people talk about Because when I was six years old, for four years, a being came to me for four years, from six to, I guess, I was about 11.
	I didn't know who or what it was.
	And at that time, my mother said, you can no longer talk to spirits.
	So I kind of pulled out of it for a few years.
	But over the years... Okay, slow down now.
	Why did your mother tell you not to talk to spirits?
	She was a full-fledged Christian, and she believed talking to spirits wasn't real.
	And it was like, I mean, for me it was real and then I let it go for a few years.
	But by the time I was 16, I realized I had to start searching for the truth.
	I went to about 12 religions and I realized very few of them have anything or any connection to what God is.
	And what they deal with is so limited to the physical realm.
	I mean, I became a born-again Christian for two years.
	I studied the Bible and I Thought it was my life, and then I realized that mankind doesn't understand what Jesus talked about.
	And then by the time I was 25, I started going through my past lives and became aware of my life with Jesus.
	And that I will challenge anyone about that, because people say this, that, and the other thing.
	And I said, well, if you understood what Jesus said, this world would be so different.
	But nobody could, and even his disciples didn't understand it.
	And when I wrote my first book, How to See God, I put in a note there that Jesus was very close to Mary Magdalene and had an affair with her.
	I didn't want to go into the true story between him and Mary Magdalene.
	My second book, when I wrote it, Truth is Called Crazy, I wrote that because nobody wanted to hear anything, especially when I was that young.
	And to this day, I mean, it's hard to talk to religions about truth because they all think they have it.
	You still there?
	Yes, I am.
	Sorry about that.
	Okay, and I spent many years going through different paths, studied with a Tibetan master who taught me many things in the inner worlds when you start traveling, because there's battles going on there, and that's where some of these aliens come from.
	I can go through a lot of names of aliens that people think are very spiritual, but there's a couple speakers out there that get into that heavy, which is good.
	I can say one speaker out there, and he's a good friend of yours, and I feel he's the only one that's telling the truth as far as what's really happening right now, as far as the conditioning, what the government's doing to us, what religion's doing to us, even what the spiritual New Age people are doing to us.
	They're brainwashing us to think everything's okay and everything's going to be great next year.
	Sure.
	And if you believe that, you're living in this box which they put you in, And now that I'm seeing a lot of the whistleblowers are getting arrested, they arrested what, 16 people yesterday?
	They're going to go after the, I won't even say the word on the site, because they're going after these people that are going to go after the government computer-wise.
	Okay, wait a minute, you think, how many, 16 people were arrested for what yesterday?
	Well, it's called conspiracy and they're not going to say who they are or why.
	They're not saying who they are?
	No, they're not.
	Wow.
	Because the reason why they can do that, See, there's so much to put together, and it's hard for me to do it.
	I'm sorry if you're talking fast.
	If you know anything about 9-11, it was, you can believe whatever you want, but it was not what most people believe it was.
	Of course.
	Thank you very much.
	We're going to go to a break here.
	We'll be right back with Tommy Hawksblood, and I encourage you to write your questions into the chat.
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	This is Barry Cassidy, Project Hamlet, Whistleblower Radio, And we're talking to Tommy Hawksblood about matters to do with the unseen realm in all its aspects as well as what's going on here on Earth and some of the duplicity going off there between humans and aliens or ETs, however you want to look at it.
	Tommy, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, great.
	So, at this moment, we have a little bit more, we have about 15 minutes left, depending on whether Dr. Bill Deagle does show up as agreed.
	There is some doubt as to whether he's going to actually be here or not, but we'll see.
	Unfortunately, it seems like there was some miscommunication.
	Communication in terms of scheduling.
	But at any rate, we've got people in the chat room here.
	We do have a chat room that's associated with the show as well as a call-in number for people who'd like to do the call-in number.
	I can call that out in a minute.
	At this moment we've got some people asking, let's see, Do you recommend a place to see UFO activity in New Jersey?
	Well, if you're in Jersey, if you can find the high mountain, and northern part of New Jersey is probably the best place to be.
	And basically New York City, New York State used to be the biggest hangout for people.
	But the government came in and they policed it and they closed it down so nobody could go up there because everybody used to line up on the streets in chairs and watch ships all night long.
	But that was New York State.
	Jersey Mountains, anyone with the higher mountains are fine.
	As long as you've got a wide coverage of the sky, be prepared to spend a few hours every night.
	And I will say you will see a UFO at least once a week, if not many times more than that.
	I spent Couple years up in WanaCube, but we had to sneak into the government property and get around and get in there.
	And what we saw in there was so phenomenal.
	I mean, we, we heard creatures, we heard giant dragons flying over us.
	We got a footprint of one, but we never got a picture of one.
	There's kind of things like blue bats with, I mean, blue eyes and they shine in the night.
	And the old idea of those two red eyes staring at you could see them everywhere.
	But I would say the government did come in there time to time and they lit up the whole mountain while we were there and we were hiding.
	And you see these giant flashes going on and stuff.
	It was hardcore stuff.
	But when we first started lecturing about that years ago, nobody wanted to hear it.
	I mean, and that's why I kind of went into writing because people were not really ready to accept that there's a lot more going on than they can see outside of that little box that they're staying in.
	Okay, so you basically sound as though you've had mainly sort of, if you might call it, negative experiences with ETs.
	Have you not had any positive experiences?
	Well, I will say this.
	I work with everybody that claims to have positive experiences with ETs.
	All right.
	And I said, that's all fine.
	I watched my best friend in New York City was the first person to open a crystal store in New York City, and she was channeling.
	And when I watched her channel, these aliens were telling her that we have to do these things.
	I listened, I won't say many other names, but many of the top psychics and work people working with aliens that write books and everything else.
	They claim all the aliens are here to help us.
	They're going to help us.
	Like I said before, when do you help somebody?
	If you have a little kid and he's running out in the street, do you wait till the kid gets hit by the car to help him, or do you run out and save him before he does?
	We're destroying the ocean, we're destroying the air, we're destroying the ground.
	We allow the government to play with the HAARP system and chemtrails.
	The world is crashing down greatly.
	And it's partially because of the sick government that we allow to run the things that they're doing.
	And if anybody thinks the space program stopped, they should check where all the money went last year.
	Well, this deficit that we created went somewhere, and it wasn't to, like, paying the poor people's food, or anything like that.
	So, getting back to good experiences, all the people that I work with that were abducted, after I get them to a certain place, they release what really happened after they were abducted, and I won't say his name, but he's saying that these aliens are telling us good things, but when you get on their ship, where do you think they're going to take you?
	I'll say the names of those groups, like the Galactic Confederation.
	Ashtar, these groups of people that are following these beings are in serious trouble in the next year or two.
	Yeah, I agree with you on that.
	And I will say one group of beings that people think are spiritual beings because they look kind of what they would assume Jesus might look like in a spiritual body, with a white gown, blonde hair, blue eyes, and that's the Nordics.
	They do travel, and this I know for a fact, they do travel on the ships with the reptilians and the greys.
	I have a good friend, my good friend's best friend has property where the ships land, where Bigfoot was born.
	And the government surrounds his property all the time.
	They blew up one of his mountains.
	But getting back to, they do get off the same ship.
	So it's not like the Nordics are here to save mankind, which they get people to believe.
	But it's just another way for the reptilian world to get into our world.
	Uh, the Greys are dying out.
	I don't know if people want to hear that or not.
	They won't be around much longer.
	They've been trying to save themselves for a long time.
	Uh, something I'll throw out there, in Flagstaff, Arizona, they're cloning the Greys.
	The government is.
	I saw a video of it, and I went out to where the base was.
	Uh, that's a different story, but it's another scary thing that's happening.
	And, why I'll put that out there, because they're creating Greys, so that when the world gets pretty much destroyed or radioactive, they'll have something to clean it up.
	Well, they're called programmable life forms.
	That's what you're talking about.
	Barry King talks about that.
	Well, here's something that people don't talk about.
	In New Jersey, Vicotinny Arsenal is the first army base in the United States.
	Uh, and they just spent millions and millions of dollars over the past 10 years there to do some work.
	But they, they connected it to like NORAD and it's all connected on the ground.
	But what I do want to say is six giant beings were put in a black giant van and taken out of there, uh, within the past year.
	So they're creating these army robots for some reason and they're shipping them somewhere.
	Uh, and I'm not, they're not greys.
	They're something outside of greys.
	I guess the whole programming of Montauk Project, the work they did with programming the mind.
	Well, you obviously haven't heard our interview with Pete Peterson.
	No, I didn't.
	Sorry.
	It sounds like you haven't spent any time on Project Camelot at all.
	I only listen to a few shows.
	I mean, I just been, I just finished my book last month and I'm just going on a lecture scene right now.
	Uh, and I'm just getting back into the scene with people.
	Okay.
	I was there.
	I mean, you know, it's not a prerequisite to do that, to be on my show, but it does help if you want to hear some good information from absolutely stellar researchers and people that have very similar information, as a matter of fact, to what you're saying.
	So it turns out that you, it sounds as though you're familiar with what we call Project Bluebeam.
	A fake alien invasion scenario.
	And have you been given any information about that?
	Well, what I'm, what I, I try to stay away from government ideas because I, I can tell you this right now, four of my best friends disappeared.
	One of my friend's whole family disappeared.
	He came over my house to look at UFOs and when a week later his kids were disappeared at his school and the whole family disappeared.
	Uh, he worked for NASA.
	That was in Jersey.
	Another friend of mine, and this is the most critical name in the UFO world, if anybody wants to talk about UFOs.
	John Ford.
	He was arrested.
	I was going to see him.
	I was working with people in the government, and they said if you go near them, they'll kill your whole family and everybody around you.
	My good friend, who I did all this UFO work with, kind of pulled into the woodwork and is hiding.
	I have a letter that we received from NASA.
	It's online.
	I could send it out.
	Or you could go into somebody's site and read it.
	But it was threatened.
	It said, this is not a threat.
	We're just warning you.
	You have no right to interfere with what's going to happen to mankind.
	And that came right out of NASA.
	And the person that sent it to us was killed six months later.
	Okay, well why did you send that to me?
	All right, getting back to John Ford.
	I mean, nobody knows who he is.
	He shot the best video ever filmed of a UFO crash in Long Island.
	He filmed the aliens on the side of the ship.
	I saw the video.
	There was four of them sent around the world.
	And they caught him, and they arrested him.
	They said he had uranium, he was gonna kill Congress, and the whole thing went down.
	He's still in the nuthouse.
	He was gonna go to court.
	And they, uh...
	He was going to show the video in court.
	They decided they couldn't do that.
	So they said he was too insane to go to trial.
	So he's in a nut house in Long Island.
	Really?
	If people want to see the best video, and I'm telling you, a real video, it wasn't created, of a ship laying on the ground with aliens laying on the side of it.
	He's the person that we need to get out of jail, or get out of the Nuthouse, but the government has the highest clearance security around him.
	I mean, I've been trying to deal with his family, nobody, all the UFO people just turned their head.
	So, you have a copy of this, of the footage that he had?
	No, that he had four copies, I saw it before it was sent.
	Doubt.
	There was four copies sent around the world.
	If he dies, they get released.
	So they're keeping him alive.
	I mean, if he would have released it the day he filmed it, he would have been safe.
	He would have never even went to jail.
	Wow.
	And people would have just said the video is crazy and stupid.
	He did shot two more.
	He was the head of MUFON.
	He was the first MUFON person in New York, in Long Island.
	And he's been working with them all for a long time.
	He had a little tiny piece of uranium.
	Which he used for his Geiger counter to make sure that it worked.
	So the government came out and said, well, he had uranium.
	And this is the story all over Channel 2 News, 4 News, that he was going to... And it was the same day that the guy coming out of California that had the antidote for anthrax was arrested.
	It happened the same day.
	They arrested him and said he had uranium.
	He was going to put it in toothpaste and kill Congress.
	And that's what he was going to be caught on.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	But that's the story that...
	Yeah, it's a horrible story.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's too bad.
	Well, you know, I don't know how much you know about Project Camelot, but if you have whistleblowers, you have information about people that need to get out there, you should communicate with us and send us the information and or the person will get the information out there.
	That's exactly what we do.
	Okay, we're going to be wrapping up at this moment.
	At the moment, I don't know if Dr. Bill Deagle will show up.
	You're welcome to stay on the show for another bit of time here just to see.
	If you can join me for the next hour, that's fine.
	At the moment, like I said, Dr. Bill Deagle is slated to be joining us in five minutes.
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	And we are live with Tommy Coxsled for the second hour.
	Unfortunately, Dr. Bill Deagle, somehow we got something.
	Well, wait a minute.
	Looks like maybe he's coming online now.
	Not sure.
	I've got I'm seeing a sign that he might be dialing in or joining us, so that would be great if that were the case.
	At any rate, Tommy, are you still there?
	Yeah, I'm still here.
	Okay, well, until we can find out whether Dr. Bill Deagle is on with us, you're welcome to go ahead.
	We were talking about what I call Project Bluebeam and this false alien invasion scenario.
	And also some of the information you've been getting from whistleblowers and friends of yours that have gone into hiding as a result of government pressure, which I'd love to hear some more about.
	But before I do, Dr. Bill Deagle, are you on the line with us?
	Okay, we don't hear anything from Dr. Bill.
	So I'm not sure if we've got a problem with the audio at the moment.
	on the show, but it does look like he is joining us.
	Dr. Bill?
	Okay, it looks like there might be some problems with audio.
	Let's see if he can give maybe a phone number for the audio, you know, for the Engineered a call.
	If that can be done, we'll do it that way.
	At the moment, Tommy, why don't you go right ahead?
	Because it appears there's something wrong with Dr. Bill's audio going on there.
	I am interested in the other people that you say that were sort of tracked by the government and have gone into hiding.
	It seems like that would have been something that happened maybe 10 years ago or more, but you're talking about something relatively recent.
	Well, roughly, most of the people that I lost touch with was around 10 years.
	It all happened around, starting around 1969 to 2000.
	They started clamping down.
	I mean, that's when Bill Schneider got killed.
	That's when all those things started happening around that time frame.
	But what I do want to put out there, just a piece of information that's really important, that very few people are aware of, that one week before 9-11 happened, Are you still there?
	Sorry.
	Yes, we are.
	Go right ahead.
	A UFO, I was out in Long Island, a UFO came in from the tip of Long Island and was headed towards Manhattan.
	And right before it reached Manhattan, it was blown up.
	The only thing on the news that night said, at 10 o'clock news for 30 seconds, it said, Russian space debris fell from the sky.
	All right.
	Now, I was there and Two weeks after 9-11 happened.
	Tommy, go ahead and talk over this.
	I'm afraid we have some background noise here.
	They're trying to connect Dr. Deagle and apparently that's some very bad audio happening.
	We are listening to you there though.
	Finish your story if you can.
	Okay, two weeks after 9-11 happened, I was in New York City in a restaurant and we were having dinner with the people from Channel 2 News.
	And we were sitting down talking and I said, well, what about the UFO that came into New York City?
	And she says, well, they filmed it with helicopters.
	And this is one week before 9-11 happened.
	They filmed it with helicopters.
	And the day after, FEMA came in and they took all the records of all the videos that they shot of the ship coming in.
	But it's funny, Channel 2 News worked out at a trade center and they were all fired that week.
	Uh, I mean, I'm sitting down for dinner with her and she said, Oh, how do you know?
	I said, Well, I was there.
	And it's just funny that the news didn't say anything about it.
	And they covered it up completely.
	But that you can actually check the record.
	I mean, what do you mean?
	Channel two news was fired.
	Everyone was fired.
	What do you mean by that?
	Channel two news was broadcasted, broadcasted out of the Trade Center.
	Right.
	And they filmed the week before the UFO coming into Long Island from Long Island into New York City.
	And as it was getting close, it was shot down right before it reached Manhattan.
	And on the news, they didn't say nothing about it.
	I was with somebody else that you're pretty close to.
	He was having dinner.
	We had dinner with an FBI person, Channel 2 News, and a few other people.
	But when I was talking to her, she was the manager of Channel 2 News.
	She said, we worked at a trade center.
	And they were all fired when this went down, which was like the week before the trade center actually went down, too.
	That's very interesting.
	So they, I mean, in a way that was a blessing, but that's pretty strange.
	They filmed a UFO and then they were fired?
	Right, exactly.
	But the FEMA did come in there and they did take all the videos from them that they shot out of helicopters.
	And she said, well, how did you know?
	We only watched the videos and we saw it.
	But there's a lot of stuff that went down.
	I don't know if you know about the 800 that was shot down in Long Island.
	Well, that was another big thing that they said nobody knew that something exploded in the jet.
	I was living in Long Island.
	There was a giant beam that hit that ship when it blew up.
	And that's basically where the Montauk Project was and everything else.
	So it's such a story which was covered up and nobody wants to talk about it.
	For me personally, I'm coming out because my life is to bring out the truth.
	But the truth that I'm trying to bring out, the reason why I wrote my book is because no matter what truth you put out there, it's not going to save mankind right now.
	The government's not going to be stopped in the next six months for what they're doing.
	And what's happening, I mean, even in Hawaii, they do chemtrails every other day.
	The trees are dying, the trees are falling over, the boxes falling off the trees, the milk's super high in contamination, the ground itself is so over-contaminated.
	It's 50,000 times contaminated, the grounds, right now, with aluminum, barium, and strontium.
	And you ask me, I'm sorry, I haven't been on the computer much, because every time I go on the computer and I get into a site, I get squashed.
	I can't even pull AOL up right now on my other computer, because I went into this chatroom right away, And then my computer shut down.
	Not that I'm exposing much about the government because there's so many people out there doing that.
	I want to expose more about religion and spiritualism.
	And some other person talks about that.
	Why we're being sidetracked from who and what we really are.
	And why our mission here on this planet and what it really is and how we have to find it.
	So I do get into techniques that people should work with.
	Now, Tommy, I appreciate that.
	We have Dr. Bill Deagle, I believe, has joined us.
	Dr. Bill, are you there?
	I am on a phone now.
	I hope I'm no longer interfering with the Skype on the general call.
	Skype sometimes has some gremlins in the cybernetic space there.
	It was really strange how it was doing that, cutting in and out.
	Yeah, very strange.
	Well, I'm delighted that you did join us.
	There's lots of things that I'm curious to hear your take on.
	We haven't talked in quite a while and Tommy, you're welcome to stay with me on the show here and listen to Dr. Bill and possibly there might be some times where you can sort of contribute to the discussion.
	So it's up to you if you want to participate here.
	Oh, I appreciate it.
	I'll hang out in the background.
	I'll stay here.
	Okay, and thank you very much for joining me in the show so far.
	It's been very, very interesting, and I'm sure that people listening have been enjoying it.
	So, Dr. Bill, to get back to what's going on with you, I'd love to hear the latest, your take on Elenin, among other things, as well as what you think is going to happen When the U.S.
	reaches its debt ceiling limit, which is supposed to be, I believe, around August 3rd, if I have the date right.
	Yeah, I think August 2nd is supposed to be the date.
	The debt ceiling, according to even Moody's Rating Service, shouldn't even be there.
	What they need to do is have a balanced budget amendment.
	And we're going to have Walter Burien on the program next week on Tuesday.
	On the show.
	And Walter, of course, is the expert.
	His website is CAFR1, C-A-F-R-1 dot com.
	And he's exposed, more than anybody else, probably the real situation behind the scenes, because there's a lot of distractions.
	There's a lot of disinformation about what's really going on.
	He told me today, if you take a few words and Google them, government investments, put that in quote marks, or government wealth, and then just put CAFR, C-A-F-R, in that quotes.
	What you'll find is that Walter has exposed the fact that the municipalities, the states, the pension plans, things like CalTest here in California, basically the government owns 83% of Walmart and of the Wall Street and of all of the transnational corporations in the world.
	So government basically owns it.
	They're head of the Fed Reserve, they're head of all of these other, quote, independent banks and so on.
	And what's happened over the years is they've developed this This bubble economy, this artificial economy that's based on divots on a computer screen, or, you know, beads on an abacus, that are sucking the life out of the real economy.
	For example, the insurance on the private part of the debt that the Greeks are currently being signed on to is between 30 and 40 percent.
	And there's no way they're going to not default at some point in the not-too-distant future.
	The fact is, it's all artificial because, in fact, you know, One of the things that Walter said is that the Communists looked at the real financial situation when they realized what happened with Glasnost and the fall of the Soviet Empire.
	And they realized that, in fact, government, through their pension plans, initial oil plans, and these double and triple books, actually owned more of the economy than during the Communist regime in a totally managed economy in the Soviet Union.
	That's probably true.
	So the real issue is here, this is all smoke and mirrors, they're laughing their guts out that the public doesn't catch on that they just want to squeeze the lemons more to get more lemonade.
	They want to squeeze the public and you see the power elite don't care if they eventually result in destroying the middle class, the real economy, the infrastructure falls apart, or people result die.
	In fact, we have 12 million people that are starving to death in the Horn of Africa.
	We have the resurgence of the revolution in Tahrir Square, not because of Mubarak, but because he gave a false revolution that was also sponsored by our social networking through Twitter and Facebook, etc., in the so-called Arab Spring, which in fact was planted a Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded 150 years ago in Britain, in London.
	So what we have going on, basically, is a complete scam.
	All these revolutions aren't revolutions at all.
	They're, you want to call it, our Dark Army, i.e.
	Al-Qaeda and affiliate bad guys that are actually, in a sense, a wing of the Empire.
	Just not much different than, actually, the Star Wars saga, where they actually, the Empire, had their own Dark Army attack the Empire in order to get further strength and control through dialectics.
	So it's really very simple.
	I appreciate that, but where are you going with that?
	Well, I think they want to waterboard the world.
	That's the term that I use, waterboarding the world, where they take you on a board, they dunk your head under the water, you think you're going to suffocate, and they pull you up just before you expire so you can spew water all over the place and they torture you.
	And that's what they're trying to do to the population.
	Now, the third world, we have 12 million people dying in the Horn of Africa now for starvation.
	Foreign aid organizations.
	We contribute to Doctors Without Borders to try to help those people to get food in, medical and other supplies.
	But the global elite now are on a rampage, which eventual goal isn't just getting control of all the economy.
	It's getting into high gear, the economic phase of global genocide.
	And there's some very specific reasons, and I'll get into those, as to why that's happening now.
	Because the global elite ...want to control the nidus of technology, genetics, etc.
	That's why they have these Valberg Island Seed Vault up in Norway, 600 feet above sea level.
	That's why they are databanking since the last 36 and a half, 37 years.
	The blood and genetics of every person born in the Western world is actually databanked in a facility in central Australia near Alice Springs.
	Uh, that's why the global elite basically don't care how many zeros there are in the economy, or how many people starve to death, or how many people lose their jobs, or how many homes go bankrupt.
	In fact, uh, you know, right now, even if they did pass a debt ceiling, you know, if you want to call it a debt scenario ceiling that would actually stop this form of informational terrorism that the federal government's doing, along with the media, I watched Nightly Business Report, and they talked about the fact that maybe the military won't be paid, or Social Security checks won't.
	Well, when I talked to Walter this morning, the average U.S.
	government brings in about $240 billion per month.
	And if they pick and choose the specific things that they are going to pay and those that they are not going to pay, they have plenty of money.
	It costs about $150 billion a month to cover all the essentials, including Social Security, Medicaid, their contributions to Medicare and Medicaid, paying our troops, doing all the other essential things that have to happen.
	Of course, we are at six wars, different countries, either directly or indirectly, including Libya, where we're using up our munitions and doing a summer war game, killing people in Libya.
	Right.
	And sponsoring... But to get back to this, you're basically saying that the debt ceiling is an illusion, that basically they have the money.
	Yeah, they do have the money, but the thing is, they do want to cause catastrophe.
	Here's how it's all psychology, group psychology.
	And we'll use the savannah of Africa.
	If you're, you know, a lioness and there's a pack of lionesses and they're ready to get dinner, and you spook the old wildebeest who's on the edge of the herd, you know, 10,000 or 100,000 wildebeest, you already know which wildebeest you want to take down, i.e.
	the middle class.
	You already know that you want to start killing the third world by speculating on food while earth changes and global climate shift is occurring.
	So food supplies are going to get more thin.
	And which starts automatically causing not only revolutions, but mass starvation.
	And of course, the collapse of the economy in the 14th century with the Lombardi financial system is what precipitated and caused the Black Death.
	It wasn't the other way around.
	It wasn't the Black Death caused the catastrophe.
	The Black Death and the filth and destruction of the economy resulted in the Black Death.
	So, it's the other way around.
	Okay, but let me ask you this.
	How is Elenin in the fall?
	I don't know if you... Yeah, I know all about Elenin.
	I've seen the video clips from the Russian scientist who doesn't believe it'll do anything.
	And I've talked to people who have talked directly to Dr. McKinney, who, of course, is probably the most authored specialist on the, you know, the Electric Universe.
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	We're talking to Dr. Bill Deagle as well as Tommy Hawksblood this evening.
	Dr. Bill, you were interrupted just as we were starting to talk a bit about Elenin and you were talking about James McKinney.
	Yeah, I wanted to finish with that first, and then I'll go back to how it's tied in with the first thing we talked about, which is the debt ceiling, and of course the Gang of Six plan that Obama is praising on Tuesday, and what it means, and what is likely to happen, not only in Europe, but here, and how it's tied to, you know, the issues like Elman, the big media movies that are coming out, like Contagion on September 9th, I believe it's talking about the breakout of an avian swine flu, A lot of fear over 2012.
	Some information that is valid, and a lot of it that's not, regarding various things.
	The first thing, Dr. McCanney has stated that the Elnin comet is coming along the galactic plane, and it's a small comet, between three and five kilometers in size, and it doesn't have a significant electrical and or gravitational effect, so it won't be a problem.
	But there are Situations in the past on Earth where giant plasma discharges have occurred between planets and between large comets and objects that pass close enough to Earth, the L9 comet is not going to pass within 20 million miles, so it's not going to have any significant effect on the planet.
	But what is coming in is the nemesis dwarf star, Phaeton, the destroyer.
	It's down through every ancient culture.
	It's imprinted in the minds of every ancient people, and that is coming in.
	In fact, from my sources, Which are many, both regular and classified.
	This month, July of 2011, with a high-powered telescope in the Southern Hemisphere, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Antarctica, Southern South America, you can see effects around it, because it's four degrees above absolute zero, and in order to visualize it, you have to use things like the Chandra X-ray Telescope, the IRAS Infrared Telescope,
	Or use things such as the high-altitude telescope called SOFIA that was put up about two years ago.
	Made in Germany, this very high-rise telescope.
	It's an infrared telescope.
	And what they do is put the aircraft, which is donated by the United States, up at 40,000 feet.
	And then you can see, because there's no moisture, to interfere with infrared observation.
	The globalists know this.
	The elite have always known this.
	This is ancient knowledge, which is the core of the ancient knowledge passed through the high priests of the ancient world, going back to Atlantis and Mu.
	We're back to the Sumerians and Egyptians.
	They kind of, if you want to call it, have in their cartouches even the symbol of the flying disc with the horns of the plasma of the solar wind around either side of it as it approaches the Sun.
	And what I've been told from my sources is by 2013 the coronal mass ejections caused by this approaching dwarf star, which is supposed to be several times the mass of Jupiter, will be causing major solar storms, which will Knockled good chunks or a large amount of the grid.
	So between 2013 and 20, because it's going to take a number of years for it to pass twice, we're at very high risk of the CME.
	So when I worked with U.S.
	Space Command, they were putting up high-altitude particles between 73,000 and 80,000 feet, and although there were multiple uses, the most important was to deflect the CME caused by the approach of this dwarf star.
	Okay, but let me ask you this, because I have different information than you do, and I just did a, you might have heard about it, a video conference that involved Richard Hoagland, among other people, showing their research on Elenin, which is quite different, apparently, than yours.
	Yeah, I've heard some differing opinions.
	You know, I can't comment on all the information, because there's a lot on the thing, but what I have from my sources is that Elenin is coming in along the galactic or solar plane, The Nemesis dwarf star is coming below the ecliptic and has been observed from the South Pole, from the Vatican Telescope in southern Chile, and by a consortium of international nations, as well as our satellites.
	Right, and that's very possible, but my question to you is, where do you think Nemesis is at this time?
	Well, we think Nemesis is approaching the planet at an accelerating rate.
	It has put a pass between the orbit of Jupiter and Mars near the area of the asteroid belt, which is probably one of the ancient planets was struck by this dwarf star passing through this area, which was then turned into a debris field.
	So that's where it's probably going to pass through that area.
	So is this the Van Allen Belt?
	You think it's that close?
	No, the Van Allen Belt is basically the radiation belt.
	It's about 22,000 to 24,000 miles.
	We're talking about Fifty-five million miles from Earth between Jupiter and Mars.
	Okay, and what is that area called?
	The asteroid belt, it's called.
	I see.
	I've been told, actually, Andy Lloyd has gotten some information.
	There seems to be someone out there that's talking about it being in the inner Oort cloud, but that would be much further out, wouldn't it?
	No, this object is really big.
	I mean, we're talking about an object that's probably two to three times the mass of Jupiter, and probably much more compact, but very high mass.
	So its gravitational effects have been felt already outside the Oort Cloud, which was why it would perturb and cause storms on Saturn, which we've observed, and other planets, long before it rises and changes the plasma activity of the Sun, increasing, you know, decreasing sunspots and increasing the chances during a low sunspot of major CME explosions on the Sun.
	They could knock out our power grid or electronics.
	I can tell you whether one or the other is correct.
	I personally think that the Nemesis thesis is the one that I see the most support for.
	The timeline is that they want to have a global new world control system and a new world economy coming in by 2012.
	They're purposely pulling the plug.
	They set this up, for example, if you talk to financial experts like Bob Chapman, who's been on my show regularly, and Joel Skousen, who was just on today, they purposely set up the situation in Europe with the euro 12 years ago that it would guarantee an eventual and relatively quick collapse, and they've continued to race ahead with the debt in America so that the rate of debt increase since Obama's taken over, and this is not necessarily caused by Obama, it's just the policies that were put in place even with Bush before,
	With the loss of the Glass-Steagall wall between the bubble economy and the real economy back during Clinton, what we have is a situation where they'll most probably come up with something, but it's going to be very noxious.
	And I want to read just a quick sentence or two of an article that was sent to me not long ago.
	This is the Dead Hope.
	Obama appraises a gang of six, and of course what they want to do is raise a trillion dollars of additional taxes, higher taxes, as well as cuts that are going to cut into the social safety net, transfer payments for Medicare and Medicaid, and really no new money for building infrastructure or building business here in America.
	So what it's going to do is prop up, again, the multinational, transnational corporations and banks, probably give a bank or tax holiday to the $1.7 trillion coming in that's supposed to be repatriated that We're looking for a tax reduction for 35.5% to 5.25%.
	So this Gang of Six, good term for it, Gang of Six, a phrase by Obama that's bipartisan, neither party wants to deal with the real issue, which is the fact that they could, with the stroke of a pen, wipe out the phony debt that was created as derivatives and bubble economy, and deal with the real issues, and then
	Start dealing with the fact that our planet is going to have major earth changes causing food shortages, major increases in volcanism and earthquakes, like the ones that caused the tsunami and the earthquake in Japan.
	And they just had another 7.3 just last week, so... Right.
	We're not... The planet... The global elite are purposely making sure that the people are being kept away from whatever scenarios are coming, whether it's into a modern minimum-type ice age driven by under-oceanic volcanism, which we have proof for.
	The fact that we're in an area of the cosmos and galaxy that has increasing cosmic particles that form micronuclei that increase rainfall, and the fact that they know that even if they breach this debt ceiling and they get a new deal which raises taxes and cuts many benefits, it's not going to stop the problem.
	It's like somebody arriving in an emergency department, and you have a few people leaning on a couple bullet holes, but the person is still bleeding to death.
	Okay, right.
	But can you tell me just in terms of when we reach this this date, which is, as you say, October, I think you said second.
	I mean, August 2nd.
	I think they're going to have a deal before that.
	I think what you have is that neither party wants to deal with the political backwash of this.
	So they're going to keep putting it off.
	And most likely, if they have a deal, it'll put off the problem till after the election.
	Okay, and this gang of six, can you identify them?
	Um, I don't have their names right in front of me, but it's a bilateral, uh, uh, gang, Senate gang of people that are, that are both Republicans and Democrats.
	And let me see if I've got some of their names.
	Okay, and you're not talking about, you're, you're obviously not talking about the Falcone money?
	Here, there's a couple of them.
	Three Republicans, all conservatives, Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho, Tom Colburn of Oklahoma, and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia.
	Those are, for example, three of the Republicans.
	Are you familiar with this organization that calls themselves the White Hats?
	They're talking about money that's owed for the global settlements.
	Do you know anything about that?
	Yeah, I've heard of that before.
	Well, you know, when we talk about the actual investment of the real economy by the government, even the money that they talk about for that settlement is Pete Hatt's compared to the total amount that all the governments and all the pension plans and all the municipalities and states and countries have invested, literally owning lock, stock and barrel.
	Wall Street and all the corporations on the planet, including countries like China and Indonesia and America and everywhere else.
	So yeah, I know I've heard about the White Hats, but as Walter Berrian says, they're way down the list in terms of total amounts of money out there.
	And so the government continues to tell us lies that they need more money, need more money, because what they want to do is they're getting ready for global genocide.
	Yeah, well, I understand that.
	Now, my understanding is also that the Bush Cabal is basically going up against, for example, a certain portion of the Illuminati, and that there is another portion of the Illuminati that is involved with China, and that Wolford talks about, who are working in a certain direction.
	I wonder if you buy into any of that.
	Well, what I know is that One of the main movers of the global elite is George Bush Senior, and then he's one of the main people behind a board for Halliburton Corporation, and as well as the Carlisle Group.
	Carlisle Group and Halliburton, as well as Rio Tinto Mines, with the Royals in Europe, the Rothschilds, the Queen, and etc.
	What they've done is that, I think about five years ago, they dictated to the Chinese government to privatize their largest manufacturing company that's the, if you want to call it the alternative to The Caterpillar Corporation in Illinois.
	And the Chinese government just rolled over and sold it.
	So, what people should understand is that they want us to, for public consumption, to see that there's a battle going on between different factions, but it's part of the dialectic of control.
	It's like a comment made, let's say, between two royals five centuries ago in Europe.
	You know, the rabble are getting feisty.
	We should start a war and cull the population.
	In other words, the King of France and the King of England or the King of Germany decided it's time to have a little war and call the rabble.
	Okay, just out of curiosity, do you know where Soros falls in that spectrum?
	Soros is basically a bagman for the Rothschilds and the European bankers.
	So basically, he made the deal with the groups that got control of the banking structure in Europe after World War II.
	And, of course, he collaborated with the Nazis.
	Most people don't realize that the Nazis, by and large, was a new Masonic organization that was a branch off.
	It was an agnostic branch off of Masonic orders that existed in Germany already.
	The Thule-Gellenschaft and these other agencies that were involved with advanced technology, channeling trans-dimensional entities, and having all kinds of contact with off-world civilizations.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so fast forward to this fall.
	What do you see happening this fall?
	I think that there are possibilities, and this is a venue I don't have, you know, I can't tell you exactly what will happen, but my guess is they're going to put off the August 2nd deadline.
	But what all this dance was, including the threats to the public, including no social security checks or military checks, etc., is because they want to do both raise taxes and cut A lot of entitlements.
	And all they're doing, basically, is they're slowing down the rate of acceleration of the debt.
	They're not actually going to get control of it, and they aren't going to put a wall between the real economy, although there's two bills, Mercy Captors Bill and another bill that came through from the House of Representatives, that would put a wall called Glass-Steagall Bill, which was removed during the Clinton administration, Under the former head of the U.S.
	Fed Reserve, Alan Greenspan.
	And they don't want to do that.
	Because right now, the amount of money that has been sucked into this artificial bubble economy is around 1.4 to 1.7 quadrillion dollars.
	And it's like a continuous sucking sound that's going to suck the lifeblood out of building infrastructure, keeping economies going.
	You cannot do this, what they're doing to the Greeks, to do to America or Britain and not expect to have revolution and marching in the streets and violence.
	It's going to get... Right, but you know that these predictions have been going on for quite some time with various various groups that you can appreciate.
	And it's been a very slow burn.
	I'll tell you why it's a slow burn.
	Because they're precarious.
	They want to stop landing because the real goal is they want to capture The Eastern countries, including China, that just generates their own money, just like the Fed Reserve, they just print as much as they want.
	And they have basically a centralized, controlled economy, so they... That's why it's superheated.
	They print as much money as they want, and they just give it to the people.
	And they have a relatively, you know, proportional to the size of their population, a relatively small, you know, well-off class, but it's growing quickly.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Dr. Bill Deagle and Tommy Hawksblood.
	Tommy, are you still there?
	Yeah, I'm still here.
	I didn't want to cut in too much.
	Sure, and I appreciate that.
	So, just for the last 15 minutes here, Dr. Bill, just if you could wrap this up and kind of... I'm afraid we don't have a whole lot of time, and I apologize for that.
	Yeah, I realize.
	Let me just summarize in a couple minutes, and that way it can kind of lay out.
	Here's what I think is probable to happen.
	I think that we are going to probably have the American government come together and make some kind of agreement, but it's just going to delay The further collapse of the U.S.
	dollar and the... They're going to combine a form of austerity, which will attack Medicare and Medicaid, and perhaps six months or a year down the road, maybe after the elections, they'll go after six trillion dollars in people's pension funds and give them to the IOU from the government.
	This money will go back into this artificial, bloated, bubble economy, and will continue down the road.
	Now, they want to crash the world economy, and Europe will probably crash quicker than America, because they don't have the ability, like the Fed Reserve or the U.S.
	government, to print money.
	It's the only nation that has that capacity, other than China.
	China, of course, has a central economy, but they can't exchange their currency with other countries, so they have this giant reserve of U.S.
	dollars, which is why they're trying to buy everything in the world with their U.S.
	dollars before the U.S.
	dollar becomes valueless.
	The U.S.
	dollar is going to continue dropping, which is why gold is going up past $1,600.
	What's likely to happen is they're going to meet a deal.
	And Europe will probably start crashing this summer, and by the fall, Italy and other nations in Europe will go down.
	Now what happens is U.S.
	banks have somewhere between $400 to $500 trillion in debt that's interlocked with European banks and these other nations.
	So we're going to start seeing the whole card start to fall toward the fall.
	And I expect to see Europe go first.
	And eventually, they want to have a new world economy, where the yuan becomes exchangeable with this new world currency.
	It'll be based on a G20.
	They'll probably, in a sense, capture them to this global new currency system they call the... It's basically a new Ponzi scheme.
	And in the meantime, the middle class will be taxed more heavily, and benefits will drop, and people won't receive their pensions unless it's posthumous.
	In other words, the pensionable age where you can get your pension like in Europe and here in America will keep on being pushed back until it reaches the life table where people are unlikely to ever get a pension even if they paid into it.
	I think what you're going to see is they want to move us toward a biometric currency in the next couple of years where even regular dollars or currency as we know it goes the way of the dinosaur.
	What we have is a new global currency that's based on these other currencies and eventually it may be even backed partially by gold.
	So they'll say that we have a new, but by that time, according to Bob Chapman, gold will be about $70,000 an ounce.
	So what I see is they're probably going to get a deal here.
	Europe will collapse now in the fall.
	The revolutions across northern Europe and the Middle East are going to get worse.
	It's very probable that we're going to have a major War, if they declare the state of Palestine in the Middle East, and we're probably going to be looking at loss of the oil at the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf of Aden, which means Indonesia and China that gets a lot of their oil from the Gulf will not have it.
	So we're going to see... I think we're going to see a break.
	But I thought China is also getting a lot of oil from Russia.
	They get a lot of oil, but they don't have enough to cover all of their needs.
	That's why they're the major developer of oil in Libya.
	They're also into Tanzania and Nigeria.
	So they need all these other sources, and they'll take a big hit.
	Right.
	What about Project Bluebeam?
	I've been hearing rumblings out there saying that Ellen is part of a Project Bluebeam sort of scenario.
	Have you heard anything to that effect?
	No, not in that regard.
	What I think is going to happen is they want to make America and the West eventually the center for the new world economy that will be based on the U.S.
	dollar again.
	Even though it'll be devalued.
	So the dollar will probably be devalued in the next, say, two years.
	If we pick a date or a time period, it'll be devalued.
	So, according to Bob Chapman, he expects gold to hit $3,000 announced by February.
	I think the ability of the currency manipulators to hold the gold back and prevent the dollar from being devalued, because they're going to do, probably once they achieve this deal, Ben Bernanke has already stated he's going to do QE3, which means they're going to print more money and they're going to buy back the money.
	And they're continuing this Ponzi game, and like Walter Burien says, they'll stop doing it when they run out of zeros, which is never until the whole system flies apart in a big explosion.
	Okay, and what about the year 2012?
	Are you seeing anything there?
	Yeah, 2012, because people have to think it's not just like an event, like the 2012 movie.
	It is a date.
	It's almost like a calendar, where the global elite know that by that date, this age is over and the next age starts.
	And they want to start the slate clean with a new world economy, with policies that are going to start killing the third world, With the release of plagues, with probably regional wars like the Middle East, with a new quote, overall world peace treaty that defangs nations like America, China, Israel, etc.
	What about a false flag?
	Very probable, because the elite have already shown very clearly that they want to re-elect Obama, so a false flag to make him a hero, just like they did with George Bush, because it doesn't matter which party he's in.
	It's very likely, and the false flag of the menu would be a New Madrid Super Quake.
	So you actually think Obama is going to win again?
	You really think that's true?
	Yeah.
	I think that, you know, I'm being a realist here, although I'm, to be honest with you, I don't want to see this happen, but everything that I see tells me that they're going to engineer events between now and 2012 to make him the hero of a peace treaty in the Middle East, to have averted disaster here in the economy,
	And if there's a false flag like 9-11, which will be either nukes going off or a superquake or a natural disaster, like in New Madrid or along the San Andreas, and the disarray between the various parties within the Republicans, the Republicans are basically going to try to sneak in taxes when they all have said, basically, if you do this, you'll be falling on your sword.
	In fact, one of the comments by Senator Jim DeMint was harshly critical, saying that McConnell's approach was smoke and mirrors, and he quoted saying, if the Republicans do not show the political will to stop spending and use the debt limit to make our case, the party, that is the Republican Party, is over.
	He was quoted as saying to the National Review Online, so what I think is going to happen is the Republicans are going to blow their chances of getting anyone in the Republican Party elected.
	And I see Obama coming back in with either Biden, who's older, And if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is still Secretary of State, she is most likely the person who will become the Vice President if Biden dies because of his age.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for all of that.
	At the moment, Tommy, is there anything you want to contribute to what's being said here?
	Just to give you a couple of minutes to speak.
	Dr. Bill, if you don't mind, we'll let Tommy Hoxblood... Or if you have any questions, go right ahead.
	Also, if we could allow a couple of questions from the audience right before we close.
	Go ahead.
	What I would like to say is that a lot of things are happening and the things that aren't being talked about, there are alien races that are controlling this planet.
	I mean, if you go back to who gave the Mayans the calendar in the first place, I mean, they know what they're doing.
	They're trying to create a certain kind of world.
	Our government's trying to create a world.
	And the government's not taking in fact that once the riots start happening, once we go into martial law, once they start putting people into FEMA camps, people will start rebelling.
	There will be riots.
	The world will collapse in an incredibly different way.
	That's not combined with all the meteorites and the asteroids.
	And everything that will be hitting us very soon.
	My prophecy is, in the next six months, the world's going to crash greatly.
	It's not going to be about what the President wants to do.
	It's not going to be about what China wants to do, because they're going to collapse too.
	If you watch the earthquake chart, there's earthquakes every single day, 6.0, in China, Japan, and off of Alaska and Australia.
	Basically, that's where the two heart systems are.
	I mean, I could go on to what's going to happen, and it's not going to be good, and whether people think, oh, well, nothing's going to happen 2012.
	No, we're in 2012.
	It's already happening, and it will happen in the next six months.
	The earth shifted.
	The native people up in Alaska noticed it months ago.
	Yes, that is true.
	Let me stop you right there.
	Thank you for that, Tommy.
	I'm sorry about this.
	We got such limited time, but Dr. Bill, you're aware of the shift that's been happening with the polls?
	Well, the kind of shift that we're having right now is minor compared to what's going to happen.
	Okay, so when are you seeing a more major shift?
	Because it definitely appears that things are ramping up.
	Yeah, what's going to happen firstly is the magnetic field of the Earth drops down to a certain critical level, probably about 15% of its level.
	We're going to see literally the magnetic flip.
	Now before the big Santiago quake and the other major super quakes like the one in Japan, The magnetic field that was observed by the Japanese magnetic satellites identified there were major geomagnetic changes to the ionosphere of the Earth.
	What's going to happen is, at some point when that flip happens, there'll be a disjunction between the lithosphere, or the crust of the Earth, and the mantle.
	And that will cause a polar shift, just like Velikovsky and Einstein talked about many years ago, is that the crust of the Earth moves periodically and violently in cycle patterns On the actual mantle of the Earth and the feeders, which are like arteries that feed the crust of the Earth with magma.
	We'll move, and that's why there's dormant magma domes that I mentioned earlier.
	Okay, but is it going to be stimulated by, in your view, I assume it's stimulated by Nemesis and... Yeah, it'll be by Nemesis and Androshe Organic Volcanoes.
	And preceded by a polar shift on the sun, which is usually what happens?
	Yes, those are all things, and we all see lots of evidence for it.
	And it may not occur in 2012, it may be, it's already in action now, and it'll continue to amplify with more violent volcanoes and earthquakes.
	Right now, the volcanoes under the oceans, which are 23 million the size of a skyscraper, are already venting off superheated water.
	So the oceans, like the Hopi Prophecy, are boiling.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	We're going to have to go now.
	Thank you very much, both of you, for coming on the show.
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