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July 3, 2011 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: RICHARD GABRIEL - GIZA GEOMATRIX UPDATE

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	Okay, we're going live right now, so just be aware that you are now live, and we're about to actually start, everyone.
	There will be some people watching, obviously, at this point.
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	Okay, so let's just start.
	Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	I don't know if people can see me all that well, but hopefully they can.
	And I am here with Richard Gabriel.
	And we've got a very interesting update in regard to Egypt.
	Richard Gabriel is part of a team called Geo...
	Geo...
	Let's see...
	It's a GeoMatrix team, but...
	We collectively, ourselves, Judith and myself, with Bill Brown, Lucina Brown, together we are the Geomatrix team.
	Okay, so I call you kind of Giza Geomatrix, but it's the same thing.
	And actually, what you should do is speak a little louder to make sure that people can hear you.
	Okay, then.
	I'll adjust this microphone.
	I got slung around my neck.
	Let's just see if that makes a difference.
	Is that any better?
	A little bit, but it's just a matter of projecting for the camera.
	Okay then.
	Right, okay then.
	I'll do my best.
	I should have it hanging in front of me.
	Anyway, we'll see how we go.
	Tell me if I'm too quiet and I'll talk a little bit louder.
	Okay, well we'll try to see if we can see what the chat is doing.
	So go ahead.
	Okay then.
	Well, I guess what I'd like to do is have a chat with you, Kerry, and anybody that's on the other end of the line there, they can eavesdrop.
	Now, I don't know whether you've had a chance yet to have a look at the article which I'm going to press the button to publish as soon as we finish chatting here on the website, which I'll give now and no doubt be able to give it at the end.
	That's richardgabriel.info.
	You'll find when you click onto that that the name the Giza Foundation will pop up.
	We actually are the Giza Foundation.
	It's a legal entity, a new company that's involving itself in work over at Giza in Egypt with animals and on the investigation of our ancient heritage.
	But much more will be announced to do with that very shortly.
	It's just so that when people click on it, they might be surprised by the name that comes up.
	The Giza Foundation is quite legitimate, and you will read all about it in due course.
	But in any event, the article to do with tonight, it will be made live just after we've finished talking.
	And it is about NC2, the Cave of the Birds, the name that we coined for it, the entrance of Agatha Demon, the good spirit, the form of a snake.
	We've got quite a considerable update on this.
	It's said that on the plateau, nothing happens in isolation, and it's true of the caves and the cave system.
	Everything is interlinked on the plateau in some way or another, be it political at one end, or physically at the other end, or in antiquity in another direction.
	And as I say, it's certainly true of the caves, NC2. Okay, so Richard, before you get into all of that, just for the people that aren't familiar with who you are and what you guys have been doing, I do want to talk just briefly about the discovery of the cave, because some people will not know the history.
	And recently I interviewed Andrew Collins, and we spoke...
	Briefly about that, I believe, but also there have been different points of view in regard to that discovery, how it came about, and whether it was indeed a legitimate discovery or if it had been known all along by certain parties, as Antoine Jagal will say, who I also just interviewed in this regard.
	But as far as Giza Geomatrix, I've already done, I think, at least two interviews with them.
	That are available on my website and Richard himself and as well as his partner Bill Brown and the rest of their team have made several trips.
	In fact, they have been constant visitors and working on the Giza Plateau even with ground-penetrating radar to make various discoveries Some of which have never been acknowledged by the powers that be and some that are being now just recently acknowledged in various news articles and so on.
	So with that brief introduction, could you also maybe augment what we've talked about maybe a little bit in the past and then the background behind the discovery of the cave of the birds?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, to pick up on what you've explained, I'll elaborate without being too boring, I hope.
	I've been working with Judith, Judith Elter, my partner, in the work at Giza for more than a decade now, intensively, and we have been over there multiple times, as has Bill been over there even more multiple times than we have with Lucina.
	And we've been basically quietly following our own intuitive directions of investigation, drawn to Egypt and Giza, as so many people have, and just following the synchronistic adventures that we've been drawn into.
	And those adventures have taken us all over the place, out into the Western Desert, and given us the most hair-raising and incredible adventures to bring back.
	Indiana Jones done.
	Nonsense, but it's quite real, I promise you.
	And lots and lots and lots of it is detailed on the site.
	And we came together again by further synchronicity with Bill, where we had In a whole different story thread, we had been staying in the village, which turned out to be at the location unknown to us at the time that it had been also identified by Bill Brown as being significant as a part of the geomatrix layout of the plateau.
	There was an important hotspot at that location.
	But again, by synchronicity, it turned out, while neither of us were there, An illegal dig took place, which ended up in the deaths of six men, questionable deaths, which have never truly been answered.
	But in any event, through synchronicity, Bill and I, Judith Lucina, we all came together to pool our resources.
	It's a synchronistic story, which is detailed on the site.
	As far as NC2 is concerned, With the GeoMatrix work, Bill had highlighted multiples of locations on the ground, which we class as hotspots, which were required to be investigated as validations For his geometrics proposals,
	in other words, the stellar layout to the ground proposals that he had to throw into the melting pot where others, shall we say, had proposed correlations to Orion, to Cygnus and other constellations in the heavens.
	Bill had come up with a A geometrics design that took in all of the constellations, actually timed them, took it a lot further, enabled it to be analyzed, and it is still being analyzed now, so that one could actually use a predictive time clock from it to look forward as well as into the past, forward into the future as well as into the past.
	Now, one of the hotspots and one of the areas of hotspots, there were many, was the area of NC2, Cave the Birds.
	And we didn't particularly favor it above any others at the time.
	It was simply one of the ones identified.
	And one of the synchronicities that drew us together was the fact that before Bill and us and Judith and I came together, our adventures had taken us specifically underground and to other very sensitive places, which turned out to be exact hotspots that he needed validation for.
	That were exact, absolutely exact synchronistic validations for points on the geometrics layout.
	So, NC2 was another one of those.
	We hadn't been there.
	We knew about all that was going on in the background.
	Now, at the same time, or roughly round about that time, as we know now, Andrew and his colleagues, they were investigating this because they were following notes that were periodically appearing from the British Library as they were published from the early explorers.
	And in this case, the notes from Salt and Caviglia, 1817, their notes were published, and in those it was discovered that there was reference in them to a cave and an entrance to underworld system.
	I'm not quoting it verbatim, but that's basically what they said.
	And Andrew went out looking.
	To cut an awful long story short, he went to ARE as he had connections with them already.
	They funded an investigation for him to go look properly.
	He went and he rediscovered the entrance within that tomb.
	Around the Northcliff location to the cavern system, which we now know as the Tomb of the Birds or Northcliff 2 or Entrance of the Gathodemon.
	It depends whether you're referring to the tomb area at the front or to the cavern system that leads from them.
	That undoubtedly once would have been the frontage as well, but the front was enlarged into a tomb and separated somewhat from the cavern system that continues.
	So that's the background to it.
	Synchronistic to this, and it was perfectly synchronistic.
	Judith and I were out on another trip out there.
	We'd been with Bill, but we didn't cross over exactly on that trip.
	He disappeared.
	We were on our own there.
	And we've been about our adventures and the stuff that we still got to write up from that trip.
	And it was last day.
	It was the very last day there.
	We didn't have anything planned.
	We didn't have enough time to plan anything properly.
	So we did as we do.
	We just followed our instincts just to go out and have a walk on the plateau.
	We go up on the plateau and just have a wander about and meditate a little.
	And that's what we did.
	And we were up around the side of Kathra.
	And, you know, we had it in our mind.
	We were talking over loads of things.
	We'd been down to the well that time.
	We'd been to the well in the cemetery a few times.
	We knew about that.
	And, of course, we knew all the stories about that.
	Nobody needs to claim possession of it because it's known by the locals to have stuff attached to it and have them for donkey's years, you know, talk to people who were children who used to play there and knew that there was something different about it all, who went down inside the tunnels of the Solar Cross And lots of other things, stories and things that we've still got in the bag to publish out.
	And we were on a loose end, as I say, talking over these things, referring to them and so on.
	And, you know, in amongst the mishmush of the conversation, came in about the NC2 and the fact that Andrew was coming out.
	I'd been to the conference thing, but it hadn't really gone down well with me.
	I had to come away early and I got there late.
	And I didn't get a chance.
	I suppose I... I got my tail in my hand because I didn't get a proper chance to talk to Andrew.
	You know, I asked to speak to him at the end.
	I knew he'd heard of me and I'd certainly heard of him before.
	And, you know, he was busying himself with other people and I felt like I was in the way.
	You know, so I suppose being honest...
	I've got my tail in my hand a little bit, and I thought, oh, what the hell with it?
	You know, if you can't talk or don't want to talk much, then fine.
	Because the few words that we had, I felt like Andrew just wanted to sort of pump me into stuff to do with Bill.
	And, you know, I wasn't there to give him information about Bill.
	So, I hadn't learned anything more about the caves than I already knew.
	It was just a sort of review of what was already out there.
	And that was that.
	So, I mean, that was in the background.
	We were up on the plateau, and we came in about the caves, and I said, you know, it's only over there, because it is only a couple hundred yards away from the top end.
	And Judith said to me, it was Judith that said it to me, she says, come on, she says, let's see if we can walk over there.
	And I said, come on, there was people, there was guards and people about, and I said, we're going home this afternoon packing tonight.
	I said, come on, let's go for it.
	And that was it.
	We just took off and walked, and we didn't know exactly where we were going.
	We hadn't got it exactly identified at the time.
	And we walked over and we walked ourselves straight to it.
	We were there.
	We were inside the bloody thing.
	We had bats coming at us and we think, what?
	A few minutes ago we were just standing over there and here we are now in the darn cave system.
	So that was it.
	We were there and we went in, got photographs, came out and That was the first visit, you know, which is sort of being turned around into some drama where we were trying to do this.
	Absolute nonsense.
	It's just as straightforward as that.
	We came out with all the information and we got our experience in there.
	Took photographs like crazy in there.
	Pitch black.
	Got the vibe of the place, which was so powerful.
	Both of us got hit like it was like being standing in a bombing alley with the bats hitting us on the head and chest.
	And I remember one hitting me on the back of the neck and It felt like being hit by bricks, the speed of these things.
	You'd think with the echo sounding, they wouldn't hit you.
	They do.
	They hit you hard.
	Gandra also mentioned the fact.
	But inside, pitch black as it was, had a decent camera, you know, a little pocket camera, and went down through the system with no feeling of any oppression at all.
	The vibe was beautiful in there.
	I said to Judith afterwards, that really felt like somebody got their arm around us, didn't it?
	And that's how we both felt.
	So Richard, are there photographs on your website about this trip?
	Yes, the first trip, dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of photographs and accounts and the story, explanation.
	There's so much info on there.
	Okay, so at this juncture, though, we can refer people who are listening to go to your website, which is, again, richardgabriel.info.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, that's correct, yeah.
	Okay, and if...
	Would that be a better place?
	Yes, I suppose.
	I'll tell you what, while we're talking, I'll make it live now.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	I've got it up on screen now.
	Yes.
	Well, no, I don't know.
	Actually, with Skype on, I don't know whether I'll be able to.
	If people are patient to the end of the show...
	Well, is it on your site?
	Is it live on your site?
	Yes, of course it is.
	I don't have to go into the inside.
	Yes, it is.
	Of course it is.
	I was just thinking that I've linked it all into the new one.
	If you drop down the sites, you'll see there's a section there, NC2, Cave of the Birds, The Entrance of Agatha Demon, the pics and everything.
	Okay, and when you say here, are we supposed to click or are we just scrolling down?
	On that first bit where it says, time to blow the whistle again, that is the article that I'll put live after the show.
	If you scroll down a bit further, you'll see that there are three pictures, and just below those pictures, 01, NC2, the Cave of the Birds, the Entrance of Agatha Demon, that can be clicked now to give you the first inkling.
	Okay, I'm doing that at my end so that we can follow along a little better.
	I think it will help people if they can see photographs to some degree.
	So you've got a photograph here of Agathodemon, is what you call it?
	Agathodemon, yes.
	Agathodemon.
	That translates, it's the good spirit, yes.
	It's a snake in the form of the good spirit.
	I see.
	It's symbolic of above and below in a combined protection.
	Let me just...
	Okay, and people will see there are all kinds of orbs that you photograph there and lots of pictures of the inside, I guess, of the cave.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, that's right.
	There's tons and tons.
	I'd like while we're talking, actually, if I'm able to do it, I hope I don't get knocked off.
	I'm going to try and make the article go live.
	I'm having to open up the server, separate server for this.
	So far, so good.
	And if I can do this, I will actually make the current article go live because those previous articles are all linked in together on it.
	I see.
	Just waiting for it to come up now and I'll be able to give you the details.
	Come on.
	This is the waiting for paint dry to dry moment.
	That's okay.
	This is a fairly informal type of arrangement we've got going here, which live stream does facilitate.
	But again, for the people that are just tuning in, in case you are just tuning in, you go to richardgabriel.info and at that website you scroll down and click on NC2 Cave of the Birds.
	That's the discovery that we are talking about today and some new information that has come to light that Richard is going to be telling us very shortly here.
	Yes, I'm actually onto it.
	I'm glad that everything has stayed stable and I'm at this very moment Just about to make the document, the new one go live.
	Insert link to document, click that.
	Very quickly, I'm one step away from it.
	The appliance is science.
	I hope I get the right one.
	Going up through the list here to find the one that I have to click into.
	I think it's that one.
	Click File and Save.
	If it isn't, I'll have to do a very quick hot foot.
	Okay, and as far as the map goes of the Giza Plateau, in some ways it seems to me that the GizaGeoMatrix.com has the best layout in the map.
	If you have a place where people can also find the map, that would be great as well.
	Just so that they can see the location on the...
	It is live.
	Okay.
	That top article is now live, Kerry.
	Okay, so that means going back to the front page of your site, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	And at this point you want us to click on the first link, which it says...
	That's right, you can click on where it says here.
	Okay, at the moment it's not working on my screen, so let me refresh my screen.
	Yeah, you'll need to refresh it.
	And that link then should be active for you and everyone else.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay, it's now active.
	And this is his new article that he's coming out with.
	And all of this is going to be posted to the website, projectcamelot.org.
	I will create a page for him as well, for the Giza Geomatrix team, for this live stream to be embedded.
	And he will also be, obviously it's published now on his site, Richard Dable...
	richardgabriel.info I guess the title is The Whistle Blows Big Time Again at NC2. Is that correct?
	That's correct, yes.
	Okay, and to some degree, there is a bit of a map here I see from the viewing from above of the plateau showing...
	Yes, I mean, that's a photograph from above, but when you go on to the next pages, Carrie, there are Google photographs, pictures on there that explain it properly.
	If you follow the chronology of the story through these three pages, these three new pages, you'll be able to follow exactly where you're supposed to be with the whole thing.
	But you can see from that first picture where the Great Pyramid is, and it's over the back corner from the Great Pyramid, not too far away.
	Okay.
	Two-thirty yards away there.
	So, shall I pick up on the...
	Yes, just go right ahead, and now that we've kind of got some of the background of the discovery of the cave...
	And even your role to some degree in it.
	Can you then, I don't know, I think it might be valuable for people to understand the role of ARE and also how Zahi Hawass plays into this.
	Are you able to take a short few moments to address that?
	And I know it takes a much longer time to go into the details, but just because people are familiar with the Zahi Hawass, but they won't necessarily know how you guys have been interacting with him as well.
	Well, the A.R.E. is an American organization, which Andrew has connections to.
	And that's the Edgar Cayce Society, is it not?
	That's right, yes.
	Which is a very strange link-up, wouldn't you say?
	It is somewhat.
	And to be honest, the political connections in the background there...
	For them to know and us to find out, can't they?
	They're rather convoluted and it's almost like trying to, as it was 10, 20 years ago, trying to understand the inner workings of the Freemasons, I think, to understand the connections.
	Obviously, the political intrigue is tied up completely with what's going on in Egypt, with Zayat, the head of the Antiquities, and elections coming up, of course, again.
	We all know about the People's Revolution that took place recently.
	Certainly over in Egypt, behind the scenes, there are players, powerful players, who are injecting money from lots of different countries.
	We've got Japan, we've got America, there's Russia, and others.
	And they all want a hand in something that's far more powerful, I believe, than what the public are fed.
	And it's to do with antiquities, it's to do with what that implies, which I'll come to in a minute, if I may.
	Now, the allegiances, the game playing that goes on, the politics that goes on, I mean, it does leave me cold to some extent because we just go on ahead and do what we do.
	You know, we're very much down to earth.
	You know, we'd be there with the tools while everybody else is arguing about it.
	That's our attitude.
	We've got so little time for all the book.
	Crap of that, to be honest.
	And we just go on ahead and do it, and I mean, you'll see when we actually get to what this is about, what we're actually talking about tonight, and why there is something fresh on this, which is absolutely dynamite, it'll all come together in a minute.
	I mean, essentially, if I try and pick up on it, without losing track of the importance of what you're saying, I think you'll see it'll fit together.
	There was a big furor over the caves being found because when Andrew announced, it was just after we'd paid a visit there, when he announced the rediscovery of the caves, of course it was a big buzz to everyone.
	Fantastic.
	Fresh news from the plateau.
	Unfortunately, Zai Hawass, God bless him, knew nothing about it.
	It had been buried until these notes came out.
	And when Andrew announced it, of course, he came on strong to Zahi, saying, naughty, naughty, naughty, it is there, and here's the pictures, and you need to start believing this, because it is there.
	Right.
	Originally, Zahiawas denied the existence of the cave.
	Isn't that correct?
	That's right.
	In public.
	To cut an awful long story short, there was a big battle, which I call a battle of egos, because we're talking about big personalities here.
	There's no two ways about it.
	It was a battle of egos.
	Each wanted their place, society, and all this of it.
	And I'll say to you now, Kerry, although I'm here talking about it, We've got to talk about it in order to get the information of it about.
	But as far as Judith and I are concerned, we don't give a monkeys wrench spanner about names, features, and all the rest of it.
	I swear to God, we don't give a monkeys.
	Because what's behind this, the real information behind this, is a zillion times more important than you, I, or any of us here now.
	So to hell with the figureheading and all the rest of it.
	it okay if it sells a few more books then god bless you and i hope you sleep well at night you go to hell when it comes to us because we're not interested you know we got to make money as well and we want to be funded to go out there and do what we're doing but really all this adoration and ego nonsense you we can stick it so you know i've said the piece now and i'll let it go anyway there was all this went on in the background uh and it didn't help things because if things have been kept quiet then before anybody went running with iron bars to bar the damn place
	we knew how how important it was and presumably so did Andrew when he went in there If he just kept his mouth shut, there was nobody, there was no rule on the plateau to stop people going there at the time.
	It was just another place on the plateau.
	You know, and if everybody worked the system, a few bucks here, a few bucks there, it's how the system works.
	And presumably Andrew and ourselves, even together, we could have gone there and we could have had a look at that.
	You know, we're not silly.
	We're professional in our attitudes.
	Neither one of us would have defiled the place.
	We'd have gone in and picked up the information as we wanted to.
	It would have gone on.
	But no, I'm sorry, and I stand by it.
	But for this bloody battle with Zahi, it could have gone for months longer and we could have found out a lot more about it that would have been irrevocable.
	Okay, but they closed the place.
	Sorry, he put bars across the place and that was that.
	Right, they closed the place and barred everyone from entering and so on.
	But prior to that time, so what, at this point, we really pick up with your article, don't we?
	I mean, what you're addressing.
	Yes.
	Now, in the meantime, Kerry, I mean, we've been backwards and forwards over there several times since.
	And, of course, when the place was barred, I mean, to us it was a tragedy.
	We saw it, you know, we saw the bars, it was out there a few times, as did half the world and its friends.
	Even Larry Hunter was out there and several others, you know, that we know of.
	And it was barge, you know, grills, heavy grills, bars there, you know, toughened steel and, oh my god, cemented in.
	I mean, it's impossible.
	We could see that men had been working in there.
	We knew that men had been working in there.
	We've been told about it.
	We spoke to some of the gangs that had been to do with that.
	We knew what secrecy was involved.
	We knew We took the hearsay comments from police and others that were involved, that weren't very complimentary, and we put it in the melting pot.
	And we said, well, okay, you know, you can't get in there now, fine.
	So, you know, we'll throw it around a little bit.
	We'll save up our money.
	It's all just out of our own pocket from what we earn from our mundane jobs.
	And it's hard won, I believe me.
	Every cent is hard won.
	But we decided to pull together everything that we could find, so we got a little honeypot.
	And we would, you know, be prepared to offer that up as a donation to help with the work of the plateau, inverted commas.
	So we went out, started talking to people, and we talked to just about everybody.
	You know, we got a lot of contacts out there.
	A lot of people on the ground out there.
	Real people.
	And the story came back from all of them.
	You know, everybody's running scared.
	You couldn't get into that place.
	Key was gone.
	You know, any key that was to do with a big padlock there, gone.
	Sorry.
	Zaire probably the only person who's got the key.
	And to change the key, you'd have to have three of the antiquities officials from the government.
	They would have to work in tandem.
	It would be a signed deal.
	It would be like changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace.
	Gravity and importance.
	Okay.
	So there was no way.
	Now, this is a little point here where I'm going to reserve something, and you'll understand why.
	I did put a comment on the site.
	If I can bring it up, I'll quote my own words on this, if I can find it.
	Here we go.
	Yes, here it is.
	Yes, three officials.
	Yes, during this time, Kerry, I actually put feelers out to try and offer up the money that we had, to see if we could get in legitimately by offering up a good donation.
	It seemed that everybody was running scared.
	There was no way you could get into the place.
	But I thought, well, you know, we'll try.
	We'll offer the money up.
	And we chose our people well, and the request went up the chain.
	Now, each chain has got payoff points.
	And we were quite prepared for that, and we started going down the payoff point trail.
	And it looked like it was going to be favorable.
	We thought, hmm.
	It seems that we're being told that there is actually a key available and it potentially could be accessed under the right circumstances.
	So we pursued it and it was going to be me alone.
	That was the deal.
	So the host that we were with at the time, privately, who was part of the arrangements, He took me in his car to a, it was a desert location, where I was to be, where there were other people there, other security people there, I can say only that.
	And I was to be handed over to meet with a trusted security person at that point.
	We went there and Julie, the car was waiting, the other guy was there, he was a good friend of my host.
	He couldn't speak English.
	My host could.
	I got in his car, as per instructor, and I'm sitting there with my money in my pocket, thinking, right, here we go.
	I'm going to get back in there again.
	Fine.
	The promise seemed to be that I might only just get in there and not really be able to do much exploring, but that was good enough.
	I was quite happy for that.
	Such was the draw of the place.
	So he had a chat with him through the window and he went off and the car drove off.
	Well, I thought, well, that's it, here we go.
	But then the guy who was with...
	A couple of his buddies came over and they were gibbering away in Arabic to him through the window.
	They were having an animated conversation and laughing and so on.
	I don't know what the hell they were on about.
	Now, unknown to me, my host who had driven off, he'd had an uneasy feeling as he drove away.
	And it was sufficiently strong that he actually stopped his car and he made a phone call to a guy that he knew who would be at the location I was going to be taken to.
	And when he made the phone call there, the guy that he wanted to speak to was there.
	And he was able to tell him that the guy that he spoke to, he thought that I, as they did others collectively at this location, that I was Andrew Collins.
	They thought the inquiry had come up the chain from Andrew Collins.
	So, when that was clarified on the telephone between them, he immediately realized that I was going there, them thinking it was Andrew Collins, and that they got a reception committee waiting for him, for me.
	And as it was put to me, they were going to re-educate me.
	Now, I'm not going to say the name, I'll just stop myself from actually saying names here.
	My host, who had been making the phone call, He immediately did a U-turn in his car and came racing back to get back to where he just left me a few minutes previously.
	Now, I was in the car with the guy who was going to be taking me, and they were just sort of almost finishing off their chats through the car window.
	And we could hear the sounds coming over the desert, the car and the dust cloud going up.
	And, you know, although I wasn't speaking Arabic, I mean, even I under my bed said, who the hell is that?
	Because you could see there was somebody coming along at fast speed.
	And as it got close, I recognized the car straight away.
	It was who it was.
	And it came over a screech, and the car, and a blooming cloudy dust went up in the air.
	And he was out of the car as he was switching the engine out.
	He came striding over.
	I know the guy I was with, who I actually know quite well as well now, And he went through the window where the other guys, the two guys that had been talking to him, they stood off to one side.
	And they were jebbering at the window in Arabic for a moment or two.
	And I'm sitting there bemused.
	What the hell's going on?
	And he leaned through to me and he said, Richard, I want you to get out of the car.
	Go sit in my car now.
	And I looked at him.
	What's up?
	What's going on?
	I'm supposed to be going in the case.
	Richard, I want you to trust me.
	He said, go now, sit in my car, explain later.
	Please go right now.
	So, okay, I got out of the car.
	I went round and across.
	I sat in his car.
	And Julie, after a moment or two, he finished there.
	He came, got in the car, and we drove off quite fast again, nothing being said.
	And he drove off to the direction Hawara a little bit.
	He found somewhere to pull in at the side there, where we were just sort of tucked away.
	And then he explained to me exactly what the score was.
	And that's where I learned of the story, that when this arrangement was being put in place, they mistakenly thought that I was Andrew Collins, that the people involved at the time had been the people involved in the fallout from the spat with Zahi.
	And apparently there was all hell to pay at the time, you know, with people with their backsides being kicked all over with regards to lack in security and this and it should never have happened and all the aggravation, the loss of face, the public this and the public that.
	And you go now, stop everything you're doing.
	I want grills on the doors now and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And as a result of that, here was an opportunity apparently being presented for Andrew Collins to be met by a reception committee and As it was put to me, re-educated.
	And as I've written on the site there, I don't know how strongly that would have been a re-education.
	Now, let me ask you about this.
	Did you tell Andrew?
	No, I haven't spoken to Andrew about it.
	It's no point.
	I'm sure Andrew himself knows that he stirred things up.
	I mean, he'll know now, of course, but I didn't see that there was no point to it, was there?
	Well, I mean, but it sounds like if he goes back to Egypt, his life might be in danger.
	Well, it was that point.
	I mean, you're in trouble all the time.
	You've just got to watch who you speak to and how you deal with things, you know?
	I mean, you could say, I mean, we say each time, you know, we've got to watch our B's and Q's.
	The people are good over there.
	It's only when you step on your toes and don't play the game.
	You know, we've been quite happy over there.
	I swear to God, Kerry, you know, we've got our day jobs, but I swear to you that we are sitting on information about so many different sites and things that we just quietly sat on and gradually we'll release out, if as and when we ever get to full time doing this as we wish to, then, you know, we'll release the stuff out.
	But half of that stuff would hang us if we handled it badly.
	You've got to play the game.
	You've got to do it right.
	Otherwise, you know that you're stepping on toes and you know that you're going to be liable to have a smack.
	And that's how it works.
	You've got to play the game.
	Okay.
	Well, now let me ask you, is this what your article is about or do you go into some other detail?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	That's just a side story.
	Oh, I see.
	That's just a side tale.
	Good God.
	No, no, no, no.
	So, okay then.
	What I'd like to say to you, Kerry, is that without compromising any official, without compromising any policeman or anybody else over there at all, and I won't even give you the timing of it, but I have spent several more hours inside the system since then.
	Inside the system since then.
	And I've tentatively given a clue on the site by saying or asking it in the way of a question.
	I put a question out to everybody to say, who has known of a site or a situation as important as this that would only ever have one front door?
	Sure.
	Well, it's well known that there is a huge cave underground there and many entrances.
	In my view, and Antoine Jigal, who I just interviewed, does substantiate this in her own work, and she's someone who lives in Egypt and is an Egyptologist.
	I don't think you know her.
	But at any rate, so yes, absolutely, there is more than one entrance, and it is very well known to the sort of insiders, of course.
	Now, I do want you to be able to go right ahead and talk about the subject of your article.
	Yeah, what we found then, this is the thing, this is what we found, and really it's the whole point of this.
	When I got into this system again, when I found myself in there again, I knew immediately, I recognized something immediately, it was totally changed.
	You've got to bear in mind that that grill was put on there to stop people getting in, to take stuff out, to stop looters, to stop treasure hunters, allegedly.
	You know, that was the reason it was put on there.
	That was the public reason it was put on there.
	So when I got in there, it came as an immense shock to me to find that all the stuff that we, or certainly we knew that was in there, we photographed and evidenced, it was all gone.
	The doors and the bar.
	Can you imagine standing in there, realizing, like a slap in the face, that all this time, those bars were on the front, not to stop people from taking stuff out of there, but to stop people from finding out that the bloody stuff had been taken out of there.
	I'm going to quote from Andrew's site.
	He's obviously found out about this himself.
	And he puts on here, we can exclusively reveal that Dr.
	Zayawas has blocked the entrance to this cave system inside the Tomb of the Birds and filled in the tube and reached its farthest point.
	This comes after fears that the site was about to be looted.
	Absolute trollop.
	Not to Andrew, you know, he's probably got that information faithfully.
	But that is absolute trollop.
	It's nothing about the place fears it's going to be looted.
	It's already been looted.
	That's the whole point.
	There was a crew in there, a hand-picked crew of allegedly archaeological experts who were working there for some weeks at the time that the bars went on the place.
	As I've explained in the site, and anybody who's ever seen any archaeological work taking place, it is done with such care.
	It's measured with grids.
	It's done with a toothbrush.
	It's measured, it's done painstakingly sifted, sieved, and so on.
	It takes forever to do a tiny bit of excavation.
	So one could presuppose that this whole system that possibly went for miles, and by our evidence, which we totally stand by, has got things on the walls that are a treasure to mankind, that it would take weeks into years to do the tiniest amount of excavation work in here, proper archaeological excavation in there, or even evaluation.
	But to find when I went in there that all the large objects that we've evidenced are gone.
	To find the chambers down below had been excavated out.
	I didn't guesstimate, I actually calculated.
	There was probably more than 50 to 100 tons of sand had been taken out of the chambers alone at the bottom.
	Up within the system, stones, boulders have been moved, plug tubes have been opened up, things have been stripped clean, down through, right through the system.
	I went down into the chambers down below, the sub-chambers, and where I evidenced on the first articles that I wrote about this, where we'd seen that up above a third chamber on the right down below, I mean these are as big as the King's chamber, huge chambers down below, I'd noticed and speculated in the writings that I did there that there was an entranceway possibly, it looked like there might be one that might join up with the caves up above.
	Well, sure enough, that had been cleared.
	That was about 14 foot up.
	It was hard, hard, hard to get up there.
	Pitch darkness.
	Managed to get up there, took the photographs in there, and it's another system.
	It's partly blocked with fallen stuff, but it's another system in there.
	It undoubtedly joins up with the one up above.
	In actual fact, when I climbed down from there, I fell.
	God knows how I didn't break a leg or something, because I fell down into the bottom of the chamber.
	Then up inside, in the main system, In the main, what I call the reception chamber, the boulders have been cleared down the bottom of there, and there's another way into a back system, a further back system in there.
	When you get further into the whole complex, down to the 350 foot where the tube is, I mean, by then, I was weeping.
	I was in tears.
	The vibration had gone.
	I couldn't believe the vandalism I was seeing in there.
	It absolutely cracked me up.
	Totally.
	I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	It felt personal.
	I took it personally.
	The people that have come in here and done this, this is criminal to mankind.
	This is criminal.
	Because this is the heritage and history of mankind here.
	That's right.
	Absolutely.
	No, he's seeing things on the walls.
	No, there's no pictures there of giraffes and other things on the walls.
	The hell there is.
	I still challenge anybody down there.
	I've taken more photographs there.
	Let people go in with specialist camera equipment, because I'm telling you, it's in there.
	I know it's in there, and I'll be vindicated one day if they don't rip the rest of the plaster off the walls and destroy it all.
	Because down below, in one of the chambers, where I photographed a sarcophagus down there with a head like a giant crocodile.
	I named it some That is gone.
	On the site, those that can get into it now, you'll see before and after.
	Just take a look.
	I think it's second page or third page of this new article.
	And you'll see where the item is there, then it's not there.
	It's as plain as anything.
	Anybody can see it with their own eyes.
	Let them deny it.
	And this is what's happened.
	So now we're down to the tube, Kerry.
	Now we're down to the tube.
	And this is the tube, which now I'm going to quote again from Andrew's little thing here.
	It says, and filled in the tube, reached at its furthest point.
	Well, you got tipped off, Andrew.
	I saw that with my own eyes, and I've got the pictures of it on the site.
	You're right.
	It's a confirmation.
	In fact, In a backhand way, I'm glad, Andrew, that you've put this on your site because it does two things.
	It confirms to me.
	It confirms to me what I saw and believed straight away because I crawled into the tube for about 12 foot as far as I could get.
	It confirms that it has been recently blocked and filled.
	Why?
	Well, let's get to the real.
	This is the piece de resistance that this doesn't convey.
	And that is this.
	That tube has been filled, Kerry, but the spoil that is in there, I decimated that it wasn't from within the tube, and this confirms that it wasn't.
	But the angle, the slope of the fill that's in the tube, it slopes from you towards you from the distance over possibly about 12 feet.
	So you can say about 12 feet away, let's say, it's at its highest point, a couple of inches from the top of the tube.
	The tube itself is about four foot diameter, a rough cut.
	So, from about two inches to the ceiling, it slopes away to nothing closest to you.
	That would have been to my head and hands, as far as I got into the tube.
	Instantly, just at head height, at that 12-foot position, I discovered at the side, in the side of the tube, there's a niche, which I managed to photograph inside.
	And there's a system, a little cave system in there as well, which I've got some photographs of on there.
	But anyway, here I am, next to the runoff, the slope from this infill.
	And I thought, what the hell is that?
	Shining the torch, and I could see there was, as you call it in the States, aluminum foil, tin foil, baking foil, scrunched up, such as workmen have around the sandwiches or something, using cooking.
	There were scrunched up bits of it, and as I looked without touching anything, I could see that this foil was underneath the rubble that rolled off.
	And I looked a bit further and I saw another bit a bit further on, on the slope.
	And then it got me thinking, hang on a minute.
	This slope is sloping the wrong way.
	If people were heaving shovelfuls of muck in here from the entrance that I've just crawled into, then what you would have would be a big build-up here and there would be a run-off away from me.
	Where I couldn't see.
	But no, it was over about six foot or more, and it was sloping gradually from the lowest points where my hands and head were to the highest point at the furthest point from me.
	And that's when it hit me.
	This has been filled from the other side.
	This has been filled from deeper within the plateau system.
	This has been filled by somebody that's been deeper down into the plateau where Sultan Caviglia said existed.
	But if that's the case, then this has been filled by someone who has got access to those deeper parts of the plateau from somewhere else on the plateau.
	Somebody has already proved now through this to be in the system.
	So then I started putting it together in my mind, Kerry, with all the other stuff that Judith and I had found and speculated over and spoke to people about or intuitively come across on the plateau.
	One thing that we'd always been interested in on the plateau were the fissures that you could find everywhere.
	We already knew from material that we got that there were deep underground fissures or rifts, that those had been found years and years previously from surveys that they were known about.
	Yeah, let me just say for anyone who tuned in late that you need to go to richardgabriel.info and click on his new article.
	It has just been mounted onto his site.
	It has a number of photos that accompany what he is talking about.
	And this is in Part 3.
	It shows the fissures in the ground.
	As well as on Part 2, it shows a drawing of the tube.
	So go ahead, Richard.
	Yeah, so, you know, we were always interested.
	We'd always speculated about the fishers.
	We tried to intuitively understand them.
	We do as we normally do.
	We go about and information, or we get put with people appear to us, talk to us, uninvited, and we always know whether it's the right person or the wrong person, and they give us information.
	Unprompted, it freaks you to start with, you get used to it after a while, but it's happened to us on a number of occasions.
	So, you know, as I said, one of the things we're interested in were the fissures per se, and we knew of these deep fissures, and we knew that one of those ran across the corner of the plateau, intercepting the corner of the Great Pyramid behind where the solar boat is.
	But we also knew that there is a large, new, huge, new temporary building there, which You try and get near the place and you get somebody come out and something around the side of your head with a sausage.
	You try and get near it.
	The security is rather tight, even though the grills are a little bit haphazard, the fences and so on that they've got.
	We've observed and we've seen that You might think that you'd get in there, but the guards are sharp as a razor, and the actual doorway to get in there is a very, very guarded door.
	We've been told lots of things about there.
	The Japanese are working in there.
	We've been told that there's another boat being worked on in a pit there.
	We've been told that the place has to be extra controlled because it has to be hermetically sealed or there has to be an air pressure barrier in there because of germs or dirt contamination.
	I don't know, all sorts of stuff's been thrown away.
	All we know is that it's an extremely secure place.
	You can get information from it for a hell no high water.
	Genuine, real, but you could rely on information about it.
	We know that it's on a spot that crosses almost an apex point of where the underground fisheries.
	We also know that that point is only a couple hundred yards away from From where the tube is, the tube tunnel is underground, locked in the cave system, NC2 cave system, just a couple hundred yards away.
	We know that the shafts and tunnels there that we've been down, we don't have three levels ourselves anyway, so we know how deep they are there, and we know that there are actually shafts leading from tunnels that lead from shafts.
	And it's a straightforward, logical speculation.
	But if people were able to seal that tube from inside the system, the most favorite place, and I say in the article, it's where I would put my money.
	Within that building, that's where they're getting down into the system.
	And so they're able to move about with impunity.
	And if I was to put my money on where they got to NC2, it would be from there.
	And they filled the system in or took things out from there.
	Okay.
	The only twist to all of this, Kerry, is that we are still 100,000% of the opinion, this is from our own experience, I'm going about higher experience, a super normal experience as well, that We actually believe what we've heard in the background, this is background info that we privately have heard, that the system has been breached, but it's only been breached deeply, but only up to a certain point.
	And we believe what we understand, that the authorities of those who are down in there have come up against a problem.
	They are being prevented by some form of energetic barrier, some form of...
	They're being prevented from going further.
	I'm being careful because I don't want to be too stupidly speculative.
	You know, we can believe what we want to believe, but we've got to be careful what I'm feeding other people.
	We believe that they're being stopped from going elsewhere and there's only certain people who would be able to go elsewhere or go further.
	And we think that they've been trying like crazy to penetrate the entire system and they can't because they're after the technology that our ancestors Who, in their own way, as I put it, were more advanced than we are, that they left behind.
	And that really is the crux of all of this.
	That's the power play in all of this, we believe.
	It is because, say, possession is nine parts of the law.
	And I believe that there are very powerful people who cross countries, Working on this are trying to get their hands potentially on ancient technology that is powerful technology.
	Okay.
	And that really is the basis for all the subterfuge, all the closed door stuff, the skullduggery, the power playing, all the nonsense, everything that's behind everything.
	There is no, let me put it the other way around.
	Look, You've got this wondrous, wondrous thing.
	It's almost like an Aladdin's cave of potential.
	It's like an Aladdin's cave of discovery and potential for the future of mankind from the past of mankind.
	It's all there waiting.
	Every single bit of it could be dealt with.
	In the same way, they ought to take a leaf out of the book of our own Time Watch team.
	Archaeological people in Britain.
	The team that go out there four days to excavate a site.
	They go out to a site and you see everything.
	You see the camera follows, sees what they're doing.
	You follow their speculations.
	You follow their beliefs.
	You follow their investigation.
	Now it's not to say on something as vast as the Giza Plateau that one would have a dozen camera crews there traipsing around, getting in everybody's faces in everybody's way.
	But look, it's not rocket science.
	You could have an official crew there, sponsored crew there, who could openly follow people around to these places and get an initial assessment, sufficient to satisfy and involve the public, who would make the world wish to donate and help with cash and expertise if they were allowed to be a part of it.
	You have to ask yourself, Why is it where there are people knocking at the door?
	We know that there are teams who are knocking at the door from all over the world wishing to freely give them money and their time and their expertise to come in completely under the control and auspices of the Egyptian authorities.
	They are willing to submit themselves completely to the Egyptian authorities to be on hand with expert help Expert archaeological help to open up sites and gain all that can be gained from these.
	You've got to ask yourself, why is logic being defined?
	Why are those people being disallowed?
	Why can one man say no?
	Excuse me?
	You have to ask yourself.
	Sure.
	I could tell you why.
	I'll answer my own question for all the passion that I put into it.
	Because the stakes are so high.
	If there's ancient technology, that technology potentially could mean ancient, vast power.
	It could be a power, as legend says, that took us down as a race before.
	That's right.
	Now would we want that power to go into the same hands, incarnated hands, that are trying to get their incarnated grubby beads onto it yet again?
	Is that what we want?
	Is that what Egypt wants?
	Is that what the common person wants?
	And we've got so many friends and contacts over there, and we've talked to them.
	And I've been into conversations, honestly, Judith and I, we've been there in conversations, I swear to you, with Egyptian people there.
	When you get talking about these things in very private groups, I see policemen with tears coming down their face with the passion that they speak about these things.
	That's right.
	And they said, we needed no policemen then, because when there was no war, all the people knew everything that was going on.
	Therefore, sure, we made a little money for trinkets here, trinkets there, but nobody did anything bad, because we knew it was our heritage.
	And we controlled it.
	The people controlled it.
	We didn't need a wall.
	We controlled it.
	Now there's a wall.
	We have nothing to do with it.
	We don't know what's happening.
	We only hear about the statues and everything being taken away from there.
	Now it's big business who are plundering it.
	And we are pushed into poverty.
	And they sit there and they explain these things to you with a passion that makes you want to weep with them.
	The crime that is going on there is a crime against the world, not just Egypt.
	And so help me God, if only people would support the likes of all of us who are trying to uncover this and put it out, because it's awareness.
	It's whistleblowing it, putting it out, regardless of the consequences.
	Absolutely, absolutely, and very well said, I must say, Richard.
	Okay, at this juncture, I also want to say that there was ground-penetrating radar done by Bill Brown, and that's...
	And Dr.
	Abbas, that's right.
	And there's another example, Kerry.
	There's another perfect example.
	All of it wasn't published.
	But that radar, those radar images, which Bill has published on GizaMap, on our sister site, the GizaMap.com, you must go to that as well.
	I'll say it again.
	I've linked it on the site, the geysermap.com.
	On there, you will see the results of those radar things that weren't properly published to start with.
	Those radar results show the anomalies, the tunnels that are below ground, that they deny exists, that we know exist.
	Right.
	You need to go to the site there to get all the details.
	Bill's written extensively about the tunnel systems and so on there that are still denied exist.
	Okay.
	You see these nonsense diversions about shafts and things being dug, that things have been taken out and so on.
	And all they are, they are scurrilous diversions from what's really happening.
	You've got drilling being done all over the place on it.
	Look at Bill's stuff coming out on the site.
	He's got the pictures out.
	I'll put a few on it.
	We've got tons to publish as well.
	Huge drilling rigs putting 18-inch pipes down into the ground, for God's sake.
	Yeah.
	All over the plateau.
	It's incredible.
	It's like a Dallas oil rig site now.
	Yes.
	It's unbelievable.
	Okay.
	Well, have you heard also of the articles being written saying that there were 17 pyramids discovered under the ground?
	Yes, of course, yes.
	Well, the 17 new ones, apparently by our new doctor friend, our name, I've knocked it out of my head now.
	Through the new satellite imagery, she's identified potentially seven new pyramid sites.
	It's perfectly possible, absolutely perfectly possible.
	When you talk to Bill, you'll find that he will bring in the Black Pyramid because that is part of the correlation at NC2 and some of the geometry that comes together.
	Well, can you talk a little bit about the Black Pyramid and how it correlates with the Cave of the Birds?
	Yes, well, all I can say is that it actually correlates to it perfectly.
	I'm not going to take away from Bill because genuinely he needs now to fix a session with you and talk about that.
	me you can go side with him on that.
	He's the architect that can talk about those things.
	You know as I say we're here with a bucket and spade and we do the ground stuff and we're quite happy.
	But Bill explained the geometry because he has got it to a T and it's no less astounding.
	And once again, I have to say to you that I'm not taking away from the fact that marvelous theories have been proposed that correlate the heavens to the ground through, as has been coined, the Orion theory, Cygnus theory, but The floor, you used to say in the building trade, you've got to do a stand test.
	You've got to stand back and do the sight test on something and say, you know, okay, I've been working on this, but is there something generally that doesn't quite ring with this?
	And the thing, obviously, that would be the answer to that is that, well, that's fine.
	What about the other constellations?
	They say, oh, yeah, that looks good.
	Yeah.
	Something there and something there, yes.
	Oh, and yeah, we'll go with that.
	Yeah, look, we've got a line.
	We'll do something with that.
	You see, you've got to say, well, hang on, there's the other star patterns as well.
	So we just forget about those.
	But, you know, if we're talking about people of this sophistication back then, Then you've got to say to yourself, hang on a minute.
	You know, you've got to tie in a bit more than that.
	And this is where the geomatrix looping comes in, because it does tie it in.
	And surprisingly, it ties it into ten and a half thousand years.
	Shock, surprise!
	With the 13th constellation, which was conveniently dropped out of the circuit.
	Midotheus is the 13th constellation that comes over the horizon, and coincidentally, 2012 is coming up over us again now!
	You know, talk to Bill Moore on this because he'll open it right out for you.
	Okay.
	The fact of all of this is that the constellations, there may be importance and interest with Orion, there may well be interest and importance of Cygnus, but there is equally importance with all of the constellations and how they sit within time.
	On the plateau.
	And what they can teach us about the future from what they give us from the past.
	It's all there.
	They left it for us.
	They were that good.
	Okay.
	Okay, lovely.
	Well, that's just fabulous, Richard.
	And I appreciate all of that.
	Perhaps we can, at this moment, take questions.
	And I am just going to try to figure out how to do that with this technology here.
	So if you will bear with me.
	Would you mind doing that, taking some questions?
	No, far away.
	Okay.
	So I think what I have to do is...
	Let me see.
	Minimize this.
	No, that doesn't help.
	Okay.
	Well, what I'm going to try to do here is log on to...
	Project Camelot TV and see if I can, on my other computer, if I can get to the screen with the questions without creating a problem for my technology here.
	And hopefully that'll work.
	So if everyone will bear with me for one moment here, I have to back out in order to do this.
	Thank you.
	Give me a chance to have a slurp of Adam's ale.
	End up.
	No, no.
	I saw you come up.
	Are you trying to log in?
	I'm live at the moment.
	Yes, indeed.
	We're both live.
	Okay, I've got the live stream chat now, and I can see...
	Now, if people have questions, could you please type them into the chat and use CAPS? And then I will ask questions of Richard.
	Yeah, sorry there.
	I'm double-talking over the microphone there.
	No, no, I'm just waiting for questions to come in.
	In the middle of now.
	Okay.
	Richard, I'm going to have to ask you to join us.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Are you ready?
	Yes.
	Okay, great.
	Okay, so what we've got are some questions here, and I'm going to...
	To ask you, one of the questions is asking if you think that the other pyramid systems around the world may have something similar going on.
	Yes, undoubtedly.
	As far as the Great Pyramid is concerned itself and the other pyramids, we hold with the viewpoint that the pyramids weren't randomly placed.
	It looks like a nice pile over there.
	We'll stick one there, yes.
	No, I think that as instrumentation has shown, pyramids do tend to pick up powerful focal points on the earth, lay points on the earth.
	They do correlate in a grid around the earth.
	If that came about through synchronicity to create the incredible pattern that they create around the globe, my God, there are higher powers that work than even I dreamt was possible.
	I think that all the pyramids around the world, all the major pyramids, I'm sure there were lots of satellite pyramids, little copycat ones afterwards, but the major pyramids and major sites around the world were locked in and linked in knowingly To an energy grid system, which it is possible for them to be activated in unison, much like acupuncture points on a human body.
	If you're able to stimulate the system, the body system, through those acupuncture points, you can actually cause beneficial energetic effects on the body.
	I think it's true of the major pyramids and sites around the world.
	If they could be activated as it was once known how they could be activated, then undoubtedly they would create energy patterns that would actually tangibly have an effect on all of us and on the environment.
	Okay, great.
	Now we have another question here.
	What do you think about the biggest evolution secrets covered in Egypt?
	I'm not sure what they mean by that.
	Does that make any sense?
	Yes, well, if we go back to the ten and a half thousand years, the legend has it.
	I do believe along these lines myself, but I'll be neutral on this for the purposes of answering and say that legend has it that ten and a half thousand years and beyond, going backwards, that one would go back to a time of up to 200,000 years, such as was found by Tellinger in Africa, where there were intelligent people on this planet who were using the indigenous population as slaves.
	Where, legend has it, the DNA manipulations took place until eventually we were left alone to get on with it, having sort of been grounded to a particular pattern of DNA to evolve from at the time.
	There's tons of potential within this, but it's all been locked away.
	We hold to that belief also.
	There's plenty of evidence to back it up, of course.
	You only need to look, because I just mentioned Michael Tellinger and his work.
	Sure.
	And that's kosher.
	200,000 years ago, tens and tens of thousands of people put to work mining gold.
	I can just see the tribe, these tens and tens, this nation, this nation of people waking up on one guy and saying, hey guys, I think we'll walk together as a nation, all 20, 30, 40,000 of us, and start digging the gold out of the ground.
	Hmm, yeah, that'll be a nice occupation for the next few thousand years.
	I don't think so.
	They did dig for gold in their tens of thousands.
	And it is reputed that there were overseers then, which formed the old ode of Egyptian legends in the future from that time.
	So yes, we say that the past is the biggest secret that's hidden in plain sight.
	It's there.
	But it's been hidden by those who want to make gain from it while they can.
	Okay, a person is asking here, do you believe in aqueducts, pyramids, shoot, angles, equals the sun, equals great energy?
	They had no recollection of the time prior to the Duplian Deluge, who the inhabitants were then.
	The Duplian Deluge, yes.
	I mean, there's a whole load wrapped up in that.
	I'll tell you what, you mentioned aqueduct there.
	Okay, I think what happened is actually the question got convoluted because they were shifting.
	Someone else was typing a question simultaneously.
	Let me ask the first question first.
	So it's a little unclear, but it's aqueducts plus pyramid shoot angles plus the sun, great energy, but that the pyramids don't have the outer sheathing, so the energy isn't activated properly.
	What do you think about that?
	Yes, no, you're on to a good...
	I mean, there's quite a lot tied up in that, and I mean, it would take probably a program on its own to unravel it, but the person who put that in actually has got quite a bit of knowledge behind them, and it may even be a bit of a test that that came in, which I'm quite happy about, because it's quite right.
	You know, we already know that the Great Pyramid is concave, so it's quite uniquely, and I have to say, I give fair...
	Credit reference to somebody who's become a bit of an arch combatant with us and many other people in the name of Larry Hunter.
	Carmen Balta also talks about that.
	Yeah, because I'm not going to shrink away from it, you know, because Larry did bring out a patent on reclaimed technology where the concave sides of the pyramids...
	In fact, there are more than just the two concaves on each side of the pyramid.
	On the Great Pyramid only, several concaves, but Larry discovered that when he investigated that...
	That those shapes, or those angled shapes of the side of the Great Pyramid, if those are translated into smooth faces, so that the slight angles of those I think it's about seven different angled sections to each side of the Great Pyramid.
	But when those are translated into the finished pyramid, retaining those angles, what he found was that the triangle of each side acted like a parabolic reflector and with a focal point 7.44 miles away from it, creating a circle.
	Bill talks about this extensively as well.
	Okay.
	Well, that sounds quite interesting.
	And of course, with the casing gone, of course the ability of it to act as a parabolic reflector.
	And I believe also, at that point out in the desert, that has been segregated off under military control for a long time.
	Oh, really?
	Where is it looking?
	Do you know the location of what is there?
	Seven miles, seven points.
	It goes out to where there are shafts in one location.
	What about, does one of them go in the direction of Saqqara?
	Yeah, it goes in the four directions of the sides, of course.
	So does one go in the direction of Saqqara?
	Yes, of course it does, yes.
	Okay, very good.
	Yeah, because I wonder how many miles...
	But is it, you said, you know, as a reflector to a point, would that point be Saqqara or would it be a different place?
	No, it just goes beyond, slightly beyond.
	Bill's actually got this up on his site.
	You'll be able to see...
	Oh, he does.
	To the exact places where it's pointing to.
	Exact places, yeah.
	Because if it was a parabolic reflector, what would that mean?
	I mean, technologically speaking, First of all, you could send energy between the sides, I assume, right?
	Well, not just energy.
	I mean, one would be able to fold energy back into the pyramid, but one would also be able to fold it outwards, or push it outwards.
	But the sun's energy also, I mean, the focus of the energy would be absolutely colossal.
	And it would take something with the sophistication of, shall we say, a tuoi stone to deal with it.
	A what kind of stone?
	To be able to split it.
	I'm sorry.
	T-U-A-O-I. Tuaoi stone.
	An Atlantean crystal.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Okay.
	Giant manufactured stone.
	It would take the sophistication of one of those manufactured stones, which in legend was held to have been instrumental for the misuse of them, Which were used in Atlantean times in legend.
	It was the misuse of them that helped in the demise of Atlantis and the continental masses as they were.
	In other words, it's like scalar energy now disrupting things.
	The Tuari stones were used then and had the same effect in legend.
	Okay, very, very good.
	But with such a focus of the sun, you see, the Tuari stone would be capable.
	And this is me talking now, right?
	My own speculations to this.
	And I think to myself, from what I've read about the stones and so on, the design and But if it was possible to fire the light into there and capture it in order to be sent out with all the different frequencies split, the split of frequencies would be sent out with such phenomenal power.
	The different frequencies could be used for a whole range of different things, from communication to perhaps in minutes boring through miles of rock, maybe?
	To being able to be used for levitative effects, for actually warping space even.
	Sure.
	For signaling interstellar.
	One can think of different exotic applications that such phenomenal...
	You've got to get your head around the phenomenal power that such a unit would deliver.
	Beyond any imagination, it would be the focused energy of the Sun at its zenith on the planet.
	Yes.
	From the side of the pyramid to a single point, it would be phenomenal energetic power that could be harnessed.
	And what a harnessed energy power it would be, speculatively.
	It's just me speculating.
	But, you know, there's clearly sensible technology behind all of this.
	Fascinating.
	Okay.
	Let me see...
	Now, I want to get back to this other question.
	Plato said in his Crichton dialogue that the Egyptians regarded Greeks as being perennial children and that they had no recollection of the time prior to the Ducalion deluge who were the inhabitants then.
	And I think that that's actually true.
	But why don't you address it?
	I think, you know, this is a question that I speculated in my own minds, in my own development, time and time and time again, because between Judith and I, we've had tons and tons of what I call supernormal experiences.
	You know, it's been part of our daily life.
	It's just a normal thing to us of different types, including out-of-body experiences, many of them, many, many, many.
	And we're not blasé about it, but we do take them very much for granted.
	And we've had joint lucid experiences in what we call now time, and past time, and in speculative time, probability time, probably.
	And the thought had gone through my head.
	I'd wrangled with it.
	It was one of my pet wrangling thoughts.
	And that was, you know, when I've meditated and I've had information given to me, I've even gone out of body and had instruction and I can picture my mind giving me instruction and talk to me about things.
	The one thing that seems impossible to get back to is that ancient time.
	It's to get back into it and to remember.
	I mean, I've had one or two things.
	I mean, I remember myself as a young lad.
	Again, I've wrote about this one.
	I came back time and again.
	I mean, I still have flashes of this.
	A young Egyptian lad or Arabic lad with mother's tales at the marketplace being told to go and play with the other kids and just wanted to hang there on her.
	It still sticks with me now how ordinary it all was.
	The pyramid was white.
	It was beautiful at the time.
	There were canals, trees and everything.
	It was in that area.
	It was wonderful.
	It was normal.
	It was as normal as us walking down the street now to you then.
	You see?
	It was no big deal.
	Oh, the pyramid there.
	This was life.
	It was normal.
	So, this thing about why can't I through any of my deepest wishes or my deepest endeavours of meditation and so on, why is it so darn difficult for anyone to snatch back directly to that time in the same way that Casey was able to?
	He's the only person that I know of anyway.
	And I eventually satisfied myself with one answer.
	Which I suppose I begrudgingly admitted to myself that that is the only logical thing that does apply, which I've seen written a few times elsewhere.
	And that is that when they messed around with us and left us to get on with our lot, that in those final manipulations of DNA and so on, That it was part of the mix, the final mix in our DNA, when that part of us was denied to ourselves, that affected our ability to go back to that former memory, that former state of mind, that former vibrational time.
	And it is just part of our amnesia, collectively, talking globally.
	And I suppose, until shown something different, I satisfy myself.
	Up to a point, I satisfy myself with that answer.
	Okay, so is it, I mean, and I understand what you're saying there.
	I do think, I mean, I myself can time travel to various lives in Egypt.
	And I believe other people do that.
	But I think you might be right in terms of there being some blocks Put in there to make it very difficult to access the knowledge in a kind of clear way.
	Although I think we've got more and more researchers that obviously are acting on that very knowledge or that, you know, that hidden knowledge that's within them to rediscover.
	And that's why they do focus.
	It's coming to the surface now.
	Yes, I agree.
	This is where the dilemma comes.
	Because the stuff that we're following now has to do with the Great Pyramid and so on.
	When we did the vibrational experiment up there and all that happened.
	You know, that's that knowledge coming to the surface again.
	Yes, exactly.
	Well, okay.
	But in essence, I guess that's sort of an answer to the question regarding the Greeks and the fact that they...
	They also don't seem to understand that there was a prior civilization.
	I had talked in depth with Antoine Jigal when I interviewed her just recently at the Megalithomania in South Africa, and it's on my site now, this interview.
	And she said that in terms of Sumer, that the same thing has happened, that many people don't realize that there was a thriving Egyptian civilization that was before Sumer.
	And so this is all very interesting in terms of what it is we remember and what's known and what isn't.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	So now there's a couple other questions here.
	Can you connect what you have learned till now with the so-called string theory someone is asking?
	Well, string theory.
	Okay, we're coming on to another subject.
	My lord, give me another six hours, Kerry.
	Yeah, on the side there, you see I've got Down to Earth the way it is, my book.
	And, oh lord, I've got both hours.
	I've had the publisher chasing me like crazy on that for month after month.
	Come on, let's do it, let's do it, let's do it.
	It was two or three years ago when I first got in touch with them and said, you know, what do you think of this?
	Can we publish?
	And I've held back on it and held back on it.
	Basically, I've got a book which predates all the Egypt stuff.
	You know, that's the sort of evolvement out of that.
	That was school, going to school before going out into the world and taking up on the lessons learned.
	When I say going out into the world, I mean getting ourselves to Egypt and getting involved over there.
	But the going to school part, the formative years through childhood, the journey, the supernormal journey to the event that I had in 1980 where I had a recall, a memory recall of life, the universe and everything, where it came from, how it worked and everything.
	That formed the basis of the book, 64,000 words for what it's worth, waiting to come out and it is indexed on site, start of it, first couple of chapters.
	But basically, I mean, that deals with things to quantum and beyond.
	If I started talking now about what I believe and understand myself to be how things work and function up to and beyond quantum, then I genuinely need more than a couple of minutes.
	It took me a 60,000 word book to explain it and it's there and it will be published as a part of the new site set up.
	Hopefully in time for everybody to get a chance to read it.
	Well, can you at least maybe summarize, you know, your approach in your book?
	I mean, what is it that you were talking about?
	I take it you were talking to some degree about string theory or not.
	What would you say?
	Well, let's drop the...
	I don't want to be disrespectful, but let's drop the stereotypical description of string theory, okay?
	My understanding is that everything functions to degrees of vibration.
	That doesn't deny string theory.
	It doesn't deny any of the other theories, in fact.
	It's just a statement of facts that everything functions as a degree of vibration, be it this side of quantum or the other side of quantum.
	Quantum is really just the demarcation line where higher, more exotic energy, dark matter, translates from virtuality to actuality.
	It's that process of transformation from one to the other that adopts the qualities of what is termed string theory, where It is possible to understand and explain not only what infinity is,
	but also how it is that an atom on one side of the world is in total communication, not only with an atom on the other side of the world, but is in communication and contact with every other thing that has ever happened or is likely to happen.
	I understand that to be true.
	Within the basis of the explanations that I give in the book.
	And because the explanations are dealing with mathematical and scientific and astronomical functions, it's very difficult to explain them face on to people who haven't got a clue what you might be talking about.
	So, in the book, I very, very heavily rely on analogy.
	I use storytelling and analogy to try and simplify it down.
	And who knows, perhaps this coming up as a question here now is a prompt for me to get my act together and get the damn thing out.
	Well, it sounds fascinating.
	The 13's come up there.
	I saw on the clock the 113's come up on the thing there.
	There's my number come up again.
	The 13 every time.
	And Judas, 333, the 133.
	Always.
	So, you know, I apologize for being a bit reluctant to just go gushing off on that.
	Well, I think that that's a start.
	Thank you for that.
	I think that that's a good start, and I appreciate you at least sort of grazing the surface of what your book is about.
	And I do encourage you to move ahead with it, because it sounds fascinating.
	Let me see.
	Someone is saying the prehistoric pyramid builders were not the only tribe on earth with a specific type of history and point of view on spiritual things, etc.
	It doesn't actually look like a question.
	Yeah, that's fair comment.
	Yeah, certainly.
	I wouldn't find and take an issue with that at all.
	Absolutely wouldn't take an issue with that at all.
	Okay.
	Let me see if there's any other actual questions.
	Please bring them on.
	Yeah, I'm looking for questions that pertain specifically to what's being discussed here instead of kind of going off into all directions because I think that that would be a bit better for the people listening.
	Okay, well, at the moment I'm not seeing...
	Let's see, here's one.
	Do you think the solar activity is activating the pyramids?
	That's a good question.
	I think they're connected, because there's no question at all, without any speculation, that in 2012, the dark rift lines up, we line up, our system lines up, and it forms a beautiful cross where all the planets line up.
	Cross shape to the dark cliff.
	We go through the zenith of that in 2012, December.
	It's not to say that at that moment the Earth's going to end.
	I think that's nonsense.
	Of course it's not going to end.
	But a person would have to be absolutely, completely blind as a bat.
	Well, a bat isn't blind.
	There's a blind person to not admit that there are vast changes taking place now.
	Accelerated changes that we've only seen in the last five to ten years.
	Huge changes taking place socially, politically, geographically with the weather.
	Not just this planet translated to all the other planets in our system.
	If any of the changes that were taking place on some of the other planets in our system, equally as dramatic as here, were translated to Earth, then Earth would no longer exist because they're so huge elsewhere.
	We're one of the minor ones for the changes we're going through.
	Changes in the Sun.
	There are huge changes, vibrational changes taking place everywhere.
	Standard vibrational changes, the human resonance, the sort of measure of the ring of the earth, that has been changing and increasing vastly over the last short while.
	There are huge vibrational changes taking place, undeniably so.
	And we know that as we head towards 2012, those vibrational changes will reach their zenith, we understand, because it ties up with the cosmic situation where we are in the cosmos.
	And then we'll proceed beyond that.
	And those changes will have, as they are now, have affected huge changes within us.
	And those changes will mean that the world faced by us will be unsustainable to many people.
	They will not be able to exist within it because it'll just be too much film to cope with.
	And it'll be almost like, you know, instead of redundancy, we don't replace those that are popping off.
	You know, I think the population of the Earth through natural disaster and natural wastage is going to be reduced considerably.
	I think that those who think that they're gaining ground now through service to self, just like Bob Dylan says, the first ones now will be later be last.
	I think that's true.
	I think that there's a vibrational control to all of this, just the same way as there is on the plateau, stopping Zai Hawass and others from getting to what they're trying to get to below the ground.
	I think there is a natural vibrational order to things that prevents such things from actually happening, and that's what's going to happen in 2012.
	We're going through it.
	And I think that out of it, the world will be a completely different place.
	I think the institutions and everything.
	And those who think that they're manipulating things now, hey baby, you've got a shot coming.
	Because it ain't going to happen.
	It ain't going to happen.
	Very good.
	Not for you.
	Not for you, it ain't.
	Okay, well I appreciate that very much.
	So I have a few questions of my own and let's see if we can wrap up this next half hour and people continue to type questions into the chat there in caps so that I can, you know, determine the chat from the the questions quickly and that would be very helpful.
	Meanwhile, are you familiar with what's out there in regard to Elenin and the idea that it's a well there's different perspectives on it including that it's a comet and or asteroid headed our way and that it is coming our way to be here around September The 26th, I think, is one of the dates.
	There are some dates in October as well as November.
	Have you heard about that and do you have any thoughts in that regard?
	Also, do you think that there's any work being done on the Giza Plateau that might reflect sort of a rushing around prior to those dates?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	You could actually widen this and take on other things.
	When you mention, is there anything happening on the Giza Plateau?
	I could even go back a couple of years or more when I first said this and ask a rhetorical question that connects this myself and say, do we think that this also might be reflected in the activity on the Vatican's telescope and the In the desert in America.
	I'll say it again, the Vatican's telescope in the desert in America.
	I'm sure they're scurrying around just the same as those on the plateau.
	Yes, I think that, although I don't know exactly the ins and outs of it, what I know is that, or what I believe myself is that we were seeded from the stars.
	I think that those people who seeded us from the stars obviously are out there still.
	Obviously were able to exit our lives or at least stay at a distance for a long, long time, which is what they have done.
	That's not to say that they've been out of our lives completely because I believe that there have been those who remain behind below ground and elsewhere off-planet.
	But they've kept quiet.
	But those who left us clearly were able to leave us in the knowledge, or certainly I would if I was one of them, that I would be able to get back again.
	According to the astronomical cycles, the way the planets move, the way the cosmic systems move, that sort of slingshot at us back in 26,000 years, whatever.
	They obviously had all that in hand, and here we are coming back into that cycle again that gives them the opportunity to touch home base again.
	And I'm sure that whatever these bodies are that are heading towards us, It is to do with that and undoubtedly there are one or more of those that are either artificial or which have been turned into an artificial body or partly artificial or are large bodies that are inhabited by them and are heading back round to say hello again.
	You know, touch base and see what's going on and where we go from here.
	You know, I believe myself.
	I mean, I don't think there's anything fantastic in that.
	I think it's just the way it is.
	And I think, you know, there'll be huge speculation.
	All the guys from the Vatican will be running around like rats, tuning their telescope to the right area of the sky, such as other places are doing.
	And I'm sure that others at the other end of the scale on a more spiritual level are Are and have been endeavouring through remote contact to prepare for that meeting up time again.
	I know that when Judith and I were in the Great Pyramid one time, before we did that experiment, Judith helped me set up for a little meditative experiment in the centre of the chamber.
	And I got to see a portal opening.
	It was at that time that I learned about the, what I gave a name to, the catchment chamber, the chamber that's yet to be officially discovered up higher in the Great Pyramid, much, much higher in the Pyramid.
	Well, that's another story all on its own.
	I'll deal with that in Echoes of the Chamber in that book.
	But the portal that opened showed what I call home planets.
	There's some pyramids everywhere on the planet.
	Huge, fast, huge pyramids with polarized sides still.
	And it was at that time that I realized, or it came to me, that this wasn't just a place for energies to be expounded, to be pushed out.
	That this was actually a portal for energies, and I use the word advisor, the energies, to come in.
	And I'm not just talking about loose energies, I'm talking about people, tangible.
	Stargate stuff.
	So I think that there are those on the higher level, the spiritual level, who are undoubtedly working on that and I think some of the devices of which you know from the past that we're aware of are to do with the Stargate technology and I think probably that's part of what's driving the official people That hide behind their secrecy to do all the stupid, secretive nonsense on the platter that they do.
	You know, that would be a good reason enough in anybody's book, wouldn't it?
	If they're after Stargate technology, maybe that's it.
	Maybe that is exactly it.
	But I certainly up in the chamber that day, I got it loud and clear that this was Stargate.
	This is for entrance as well as exits.
	Okay, very good.
	I agree with you, and thank you for saying that.
	Is there anything else going on on the plateau that you feel are preparation type of events that you're able to talk about now?
	Oh, crumbs.
	Very delicate ground here now, Jerry.
	Okay.
	You might be able to be a bit more loose-toned than me on that.
	Alright.
	Well, okay, because we are getting close to sort of the showtime, I guess you might say, and some people might look at it like that.
	And, well, let me at least allude to this, because you've already talked to some degree about the technology under the Giza Plateau and the idea that there is a connection to that From the technology to a force field around it that also may have to do with an event that is going to come possibly in the next couple years or even next year,
	you know, as we're getting closer.
	So it's your understanding, I take it, that this object that is in this box that is under, let's see, in Khufu's temple, I believe it's called, in Khufu's palace under the ground there, Has not been able to be removed up to this time.
	Do you still feel that they have not been able to get in there?
	I'll give you a personal answer.
	No.
	It's still there.
	Personal answer.
	Okay.
	Well, that's perfectly valid.
	Okay.
	Yes, and I agree that it's not an easy thing in full view, even if it's using all the tricks of the trade, of hiding things in plain sight.
	There are certain things, under certain circumstances, that would be impossible to do in plain sight.
	You just couldn't get away with it.
	That's one of the difficulties that face such people, the authorities who would love to just go and grab.
	Okay, well, you know, as I said, I recently interviewed Antoine Jagal.
	she is a woman um obviously and uh she did talk about being approached by a group of people um with connections to the giza plateau etc who said that at this time they are um they wanted to pass their knowledge on to her because she was a woman and there is something going on in regard to the feminine energy uh at this time and the um the vibrational dynamics on the planet
	i believe where women are um and also uh individuals who have higher vibrations only are going to be allowed to approach and to find these discoveries etc etc Do you agree with me on that?
	Yes, I think I'd go a little bit stage further on that, Kerry.
	I think that the awakening that's happening within people, or the potential awakening that should be happening within people, I think what it involves, it involves the, how can I love analogies, turn the focus of it.
	You know when, okay then, you know the kiddies thing where you've got an eyeglass and you hold it from the sun and you move it up and down to focus it and get a perfect focal point and you can actually set a bit of paper on fire with it when you get the perfect focal point.
	You know, with kids you would do that with your magnifying glass or something.
	Well, I think of energies in this way, that within each one of us, within our presence, we are made up of a whole host of circulations of energy that are commensurate with each chakra or centre of the body.
	If we wish to be in perfect balance, then it isn't just a matter in my view of us getting our base energies in line.
	That part of us, which one would call a feminine side in a male, and the male part of us, if one is a female, it's about getting that part of her energy balanced also.
	It's about getting the male-female focus, just like a lens, of getting that right within us.
	It's harking back to the original hermaphrodite state, the balanced state within us.
	And if one can hop back to that within us, to that state of energy within us, then resistance disappears.
	Vibrational resistance disappears.
	And in that alpha state of energy, it is possible then to walk through barriers that would meet the resistance otherwise.
	There must be no resistance.
	Lovely.
	But I mean, in general terms, I mean, that's sort of touching...
	Very well said.
	Very well said.
	Okay, very well said.
	Let me...
	I think we've only got about 15 minutes left.
	I'm going to see if there are some other questions here.
	Let's see.
	Someone's saying...
	Do you believe the pyramids were built with their saying alien know-how, is how they wrote it?
	If so, how many alien races do you believe have had contact with the pyramids, I guess, is what they're writing.
	I think truth be known, Kerry, that the pyramids, not just the pyramid constructions, but far greater constructions that are still hidden from view below the ground, 30 metres below the ground perhaps, I think those mind-blowing constructions that are still waiting to be rediscovered below ground,
	that would make even the pyramids seem ordinary, That all of those, including the mud brick constructions thereafter post-disaster, the copycat constructions using pirated stonework from existing, broken constructions after earthquake, How should we put it?
	Remodeling from previous...
	I think all of these phases, they do represent that.
	They represent phases.
	And I think that those phases were carried out using all manner of different guises of construction.
	I do believe in harmonic levitation.
	The simple, very simple, almost naive analogy I use is you put a cup on the edge of a table, put a speaker on that table, you get the right vibration, that cup will walk straight off the edge and fall over.
	Hang on a minute, what moved that?
	The cup weighs, you know, half a bag of sugar.
	How did it get off the table?
	It was only sound vibrating.
	So what happened?
	Somehow you caused a state of vibration where there was no longer any resistance between the weight of the cup and the table and gravity and all the rest of it.
	I'm just being sort of facetious.
	No, very, very good.
	Yes, a very simple explanation.
	I believe in harmonic vibration.
	I believe in its sophisticated state that that was used to actually move, lift, and place large objects.
	I think also that pouring was used.
	I think that Liquid forms were used in some cases.
	I think that lots of various stages of construction were used.
	I think in the cutting of stone, I think that there was plasmic devices probably used.
	We're going back now to technology.
	I think there was ancient technology that enabled solid granite and other stones to be cut and drilled and so on.
	There are enough examples of those that seem to fight today's tooling to do them.
	We've got lots of photographs of them and lots of people have seen that themselves.
	So I think that it's easy to look back and say, how did they do that?
	I want a definitive answer.
	Look, the pyramids were done in different phases.
	Even the Great Pyramid was done in phases.
	You can pick those out in the courses.
	It's not to say that it didn't come from an original architect or there was an original one there or other pyramids that an original pattern was there.
	It's not to say that original designs were laid down and weren't followed to the letter.
	I'm sure they were because they were laid down by the masters who were our predecessors.
	But I think the different constructions methods were used.
	It wasn't a singular method that you could put your finger to.
	If you went back and said, right, 14,000 years ago, this is the method that we choose.
	I'd love to be able to say that.
	It's probably true.
	You could go back 10 and a half when they came in back We just started doing the rebuilding.
	There was further disaster at four and a half.
	Talk to Billy, he's got an all-in-a-time thing on there.
	And they probably used a different method there.
	Probably used slave labour and some of the methods that people talk about now.
	Poor old donkey pulling things up on logs.
	I'm sure all of these methods were used over time, but they reflect different periods of time.
	Not a specific thing that is the answer to it all.
	Okay, now I've got another question here for you.
	I'm not sure about the wording of this question, but are you prepared for the sync of the vibrational changes and the connection with the pyramids?
	I mean, I think in general, you know, you've already addressed this to some degree.
	But do you see a question in there that...
	I mean, obviously, who's prepared for the sink?
	Only those of us who are most aware will be more or less prepared, obviously.
	But I think the real question being asked there is that they feel that there is a sinking of vibration between connecting with the pyramids and the planet.
	So maybe you can address that.
	That's true, Kerry, I think.
	I think that...
	Again, I've used a very sort of crude analogy in the past to explain our calling to Egypt.
	It's very much like the Close Encounters film with Richard Dreyfuss, where he was called Close Encounters the Third Kind, where he was drawn obsessively to Table Mountain for where the craft came in, the spacecraft came in.
	And when he got there, he was shocked to find that there were hundreds of other people that were drawn to it as well.
	And I think that's the case right now.
	I think that it's not so much that people are drawn to Egypt and the pyramids.
	I think it's that we're drawn to the energy that that represents, the vibration that that represents.
	And that level of vibration, that tone, that entonement of vibration reaches across the planet.
	I think it is an endemic vibration that people are feeling.
	And they see it tangibly as Egypt, the pyramids.
	Now that's fine because that might well be the emanating source or a focal point, but it is a general emanation, I believe, that is representative of the time that we are in as we head towards 2012.
	And people have said to me, well, okay, you're saying to us that we're going through 2012 and this is happening.
	I said, so what?
	So what do you want me to do?
	What do you want me to do?
	Shall I pack my home up?
	Shall I go and live in the hills?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	None of that at all.
	All this is about is about becoming awakened to it.
	All this is about is becoming aware of it and being honest with yourself and saying, hey, okay, I'm going to use my own brain now.
	Take in what's been said to me.
	They're being fair.
	They're saying, don't take what I say as being the absolute word.
	They're saying to me, go away and figure it for yourself.
	Well, that's exactly what I'm doing.
	I'm saying to people, look, you know, bless you for listening to what I was saying, but take it as rubbish if you want.
	But otherwise, go away.
	Think about it yourself.
	Become aware of your own free will.
	Because if you do open your eyes, you can't help but become aware.
	You will see these changes that are irrefutable.
	They're happening around us now, all around us, in political, in the weather patterns, in social, in your own life.
	Around you, everything.
	It's happening everywhere.
	You can't deny it.
	And if that is the case, and these huge, vast changes are heading towards a crescendo which will involve huge natural disaster inevitably, Then you will be ready because if you are aware of these things, you will have awakened yourself at a higher level.
	And at those times of great crisis, when I say crisis, I mean vibrational crisis, when it reaches a zenith of any kind, where some kind of disaster or something is about to befall us, and you are awakened, you will be one of those people who will not be panicking.
	You will be one of those people where the hairs will be standing up on your arms and your back, and you'll be saying to yourself, Boy, oh boy, here it comes.
	What am I supposed to do?
	Do you know what?
	You'll know what to do.
	It'll be in your head what to do.
	It'll be an instinctive thing what to do.
	But the most important thing is that where you will know what to do, if you awaken now, you will be there for your buddy, your neighbor, or whoever who yet has not reached that point.
	You will be there to help them at that time.
	That's why it's so important to spread this awareness, to get this awareness out there, to raise the threshold in a larger amount of the population, so that a larger amount of the population can affect the mean balance of vibration for everybody.
	And that will actually help to dampen things down, just like putting oil on troubled waters.
	It will actually help to hold the vibration.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Well, I completely agree with you on that.
	Let me see if there's any last questions here that I can grab.
	I've already talked about that.
	Okay, someone just said good answer.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, well, I think that that's about it for now.
	So, Richard, why don't you give out your websites and also let's tell people that this entire broadcast was free and Project Camelot is operating on a very low budget at the moment as people can appreciate.
	Donations have been low.
	It's hard to stay alive.
	I would appreciate anyone who hears these various interviews that I am doing using live stream and wants to donate.
	If they would please do so, I would really appreciate it.
	It would keep making this kind of work possible so I don't have to go out and look for some kind of paying job in the grid.
	And the other thing is that Richard Gabriel and his group, the Giza Geomatrix team, could use some donations as well.
	And I understand that it's somewhat difficult for you to do so at this time, but perhaps people can, you know, you don't need to go through a legal channel in order to get donations just if someone wants to give you some money.
	There's no law against it that I know of.
	So is there a mailing address where people could send you money even and until you get your legal structure all squared away?
	Yeah, bless you for those things, Kerry.
	I mean, I'll agree with what you say.
	The background work that goes into all of this is absolutely tremendous and phenomenal.
	Again, I would reiterate the fact that for Judith and I for over a decade now, I mean, we have done it from our own pockets and saved every dime, separated everything in our lives into needs and wants.
	Got rid of all the wants and just dealt with the needs.
	We've lived by that to enable us to get over there.
	And we are fighting at the moment to get a donation button sorted out for ourselves, because as you bring the site up and see, as I said at the beginning, the Giza Foundation on there, The GizaFoundation.org is a sister site that will be open soon, and that is all to do with another thing that we have been a part of quietly on the site, and that is to do with animal welfare in Egypt.
	We've been quietly helping with some of the most horrendous things that we've encountered where we've had to intervene.
	And we've decided gradually that it has taken over to the point where we actively wanted to do something on that.
	And we have formed a not-for-profit foundation called the Giza Foundation, which will deal with that.
	It isn't live yet, and it will have a donation button when it comes live, and there will be one on our other side at the same time.
	But for now, Kerry, as you've very kindly said, we haven't got anything official, but if anybody does very kindly wish to help us, We would bless you to the ends of the earth.
	And initially I would simply say to make contact using the email address that's on the site, admin at richardgabriel.info, to make contact.
	And the only thing I could say to you is that if you are the one that feels that way inclined, I could tell you with absolute sincerity of all that I believe, And in my heart and in Judith's heart to do with any of this, that it would be used 100% solidly, completely to further this work because we're not interested in anything else, to be honest.
	We just want it out there.
	We want the truth out.
	So please help if you can for Kerry's side and for our side.
	Thank you.
	And I can only leave you with that.
	That's brilliant.
	Well, I can't wait for your book to come out, and I want to encourage you, and I believe the people in the chat feel the same way.
	They've indicated as much that they would love to see you come out with this book that you've been talking about in our chat here because it sounds like some very, very fascinating research that you've done that even goes perhaps beyond the nuts and bolts of what you've discovered on the Giza Plateau, etc., And so please do continue in that effort.
	And I want to thank you, Richard Gabriel, for coming on the live stream with me here.
	It's a new technology.
	Everything, all the bells and whistles are not all of that smooth.
	I understand that the picture is fairly jerky and so on.
	But we do appreciate people listening regardless.
	Hopefully this will save when we close down and it will be available afterwards for people to listen At their leisure or to review some of it because you've said some fascinating things here and I think that people have really gained something by listening to you.
	So thank you so much.
	We will do this hopefully with Bill Brown who is one of your group of the Giza Geomatrix team and he is the person who has this site called gizamap.com.
	And just a plug for his very talented webmaster, Adrian, who is helping behind the scenes with all the logistics of getting the technical rich media software and so on up there because I think people will appreciate his work when they do go to those sites.
	Quite extraordinary.
	So anyway, Richard, thank you so much.
	I hope we can do another one of these events in the near future and I encourage everyone to read your new article, the things, some of which have been covered here and probably there are some things in there that we haven't had a chance to talk about.
	Sure.
	Kerry, I would just make one very last mention.
	Wherever I go, Judith's energy is right beside me.
	And although she isn't sitting here with me right at this moment, I know that I carry her energy with me at all times, and that everything happens for us in Egypt because we're together.
	She is the balance of my side, and that's why it works.
	So, as my twin flame, she'll be listening somewhere now.
	And I hope next time, technically, we're able to perhaps pull it together so that we're both able to be in the studio together.
	But in talking to me, for everyone out there, see Judith also with me.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, then.

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