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May 25, 2011 - Project Camelot
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05/25/2011 Kim Carlsberg.
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There is a Jaguar outside my door
Stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
Strange shade of stump, deep cat-eye green.
No way to escape it, no one hears my scream.
He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
I can't help the longing, I'll do any moan.
He's a Jaguar!
He's Thank
you.
Thank you.
I'm alone.
I can't help the longing of feeling it moon.
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Thank you.
He's a jog. You are. He's a jog.
He's a jog.
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You are.
Strange shade of sun.
Deep cat eye green.
No way to escape.
No one hears my scream.
Dream.
No way to escape.
Okay.
Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
I guess I'm on the air.
We're having all kinds of issues this moment with the connection here.
So, I'm happy to be back here in the United States.
Just got back yesterday, so I'm having some serious jet lag.
Right this minute.
My guest tonight is Kim Carlsberg.
She's having trouble connecting on her Skype.
But hopefully she will be able to connect here shortly.
So at any rate, there's a lot going on in the world right now.
There's a lot of confusion about Elenin versus the Brown Dwarf.
And I hope everyone will Take a look at my blog entry where I contacted Andy Lloyd who is the author of Dark Star.
He spent 10 years investigating the Brown Dwarf and actually a lot of the things that he found out about it are now coming into the news and so he's actually one of the best researchers in this area, in my view.
I've also done a Camelot interview with him that you can find on my website under interviews.
If you look for recent releases and or just the word interviews on the Project Camelot Productions website, projectcamelotproductions.com, that is.
So, anyway, it is going to be a very interesting fall, no doubt about it.
A lot of people are saying that Elenin, which my understanding of Elenin is, and also Andy Lloyd concurs on this, is basically a very large rock.
That is going through this solar system, like I think one would call it an asteroid.
And it is not the size of Jupiter, I assure you.
And therefore, the brown dwarf is the real planet that will be perturbing our planet Earth and so on.
But at any rate, at this moment, people are confusing the two.
There's a very good researcher out there.
I believe his name is Paul.
I forget his last name.
But I think I linked to his YouTube or I will put it up on my blog later.
Anyway, he's doing some good research.
However, even he seems to be slightly confused as to which is which.
And I think that JPL is not helping the matter.
The idea here is that the Brown Dwarf has been a secret known by black projects, the secret underground community for a very long time.
LNN is a relatively recent addition, and asteroids coming in our direction are not rare.
And in fact, there is technology embedded in the Earth It's talked about in my interview with Valerie Uvarov.
That's U-V-A-R-O-V.
At any rate, it's on the projectcamelot.org website.
If you go to the library and go to the right-hand side, hit the drop-down menu and look for the name Valerie Uvarov, you will find information in that interview about this technology that has been part of the earth for maybe even since its inception that was embedded in the earth.
In these underground sort of, I guess, containers, if you will, both in China and apparently somewhere off the coast in the area of Florida, I believe in the United States, and I think there's one in Russia as well.
The Russians have been aware of this, and what it is, is technology to shoot down incoming objects such as asteroids and comets that would threaten the Earth.
So, knowing that that technology has been here for a very long time, and the ETs working with the government are certainly aware of the technology, even if the government themselves likes to act as though they don't know it's there, they are able to redirect incoming objects, such as LNN.
And so, I just wanted to let people know that I'm here.
going on.
Apparently, do we have Kim Carlsberg on the line?
I'm here.
Oh, wonderful.
Okay, Kim, glad to see that you made it on here.
I know.
It's been a wild We've tried for a long time.
Wild kind of confusion, which is par for the course.
Yes.
And I'm sure you know that.
I've been reading your book, The Art of the Close Encounters, and I do appreciate some of your story here, and I think it'll be really fascinating for the listeners to hear some of your background and the fact that you yourself are a contactee.
So it's not just that you are writing and displaying the art with reference to other people's contacts, but you yourself wrote a book called Beyond My Wildest Dreams, I see.
Diary of a UFO Abductee.
And so you obviously had contact, pretty heavy duty contact and you kept a diary and this is what kind of began your process.
So why don't you kind of introduce yourself beyond what I've already said here and kind of tell how the whole thing began.
Sure.
My journey began a long time ago.
As a matter of fact, I just looked at one of my diary entries in my first book, Beyond My Wildest Dreams, and it was one of the most significant Diary entries and I realized it was 1991 and that is 20 years ago.
I went into shock a few minutes ago thinking this has been going on longer than 20 years for me and that particular incident was about, it was an environmental message I got from the ETs.
So I'm thumbing through the book and I'm thinking back on my past and my first conscious abduction occurred in, I believe, 1988.
And I was living on the beach in Malibu.
I was a photographer.
I'm still a photographer, but I was a young photographer at the time.
I was living with my boyfriend, and he was a lifeguard.
And we were putting together a synopsis for a television series that would later become known as Baywatch.
In that time, I was working, you know, Hollywood is very, very long hours, and my boyfriend was also a pentathlon.
So he would get up every morning at five o'clock and work out.
I would work all day long, Hollywood hours, until midnight.
I drive home, Pacific Coast Highway, to our little, we called it the Pink Castle on Pacific Coast Highway and Sunset Boulevard, if anybody knows it, if the California people are listening.
It had a beautiful, sweeping view of the entire Santa Monica Bay.
I would go in the back door and I would be very quiet because I didn't want to wake Greg and I would relax.
because I would usually have a beer and go to sleep.
On one particular night after I'd been working on a Pee Wee Herman movie, I think it was Pee Wee Herman Big Top or something back then.
I had been working with elephants and lions and tigers and bears all day and I was completely exhausted.
I got home, you know, after midnight.
I pulled a chair up to the window, not to wake Greg, and I popped a beer.
I noticed a light on the horizon.
And this light was at the south point of the Santa Monica Bay, which would have been Palos Verdes.
And I've looked at that ocean a million times.
I know what boats look like.
I know what stars look like.
I know the difference in the horizon, the sky and the ocean.
This light was hovering in no man's land.
It was too high to be a boat.
It was too low to be a star.
It was too bright to be either of the two.
And so I'm thinking, this is very odd.
I'm just, you know, what is this?
A moment later, this light shoots across the Santa Monica Bay in an instant, breathtaking speed, probably 40, 50 miles across the bay, and landed on a point on the horizon right at Point Doom.
And I knew at that moment that I had seen something absolutely out of this world.
I wanted to wake my boyfriend.
I wanted him to see it.
I wanted to share this with someone but I knew with the speed that this thing took off there was no way it would be there by the time I got back.
So I sat there alone in the dark and as if this thing responded to my thoughts a few moments later it went zap and it was hovering right in front of my window.
Now we're talking about Pacific Coast Highway which is I believe it's two lanes in each direction.
So we're looking at four lanes of highway and about, I don't know, 20-30 feet of sand.
And this thing hovered in front of me and it was, I called it the moon over Malibu.
It was a huge glowing orb, white orb, and it looked like the moon in fog.
And I could see a couple of entities inside, silhouettes of entities inside of this craft.
At the time, I didn't know it was a craft.
I had worked my way through, you know, many, many years of college.
I didn't have time to sit around and watch movies and TVs and documentaries.
I worked my whole life and I wasn't into greys.
I'd never heard of alien abduction.
So I'm looking at this and I'm watching my paradigm completely transform in front of my eyes.
And the next thing I know, this thing took a shot across the sky at a diagonal into the stars and disappeared.
So that was my first conscious sighting.
Two weeks later, I came home, the same routine, went to bed.
I woke up in the middle of the night and I was no longer in my bed.
I was in what I thought was an elevator.
I was naked and I was paralyzed.
I was in the elevator with other conscious beings.
I started experiencing my first conscious recollection of telepathy.
I was hearing thoughts and ideas.
I knew that the person next to me on the left was my first major relationship I hadn't seen in many, many years.
His name was David.
He was unconscious, paralyzed, and I knew from these thoughts that I was receiving that there was a woman standing next to him on his left that was a makeup artist.
And while I'm trying to make sense of this sudden, you know, new reality I found myself immersed in, what I thought was an elevator door split in half, opened up, and I was pushed from behind into this huge room that was filled with hundreds of little tiny tables.
Excuse me, they weren't tiny tables.
They were tables, like medical tables, but they were very, very low to the floor.
These tables were filled with people who were unconscious.
Around every one of these tables was a... Thank you, Kim.
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Now I've been happy lately, thinking about the good things to come.
And I believe it could be something good has begun.
Oh, I've been smiling lately, dreaming about the world at one.
And I believe it could be something good.
Hi, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, whistleblower radio, and we are talking to Kim Carlsberg.
Carlsberg.
Kim, are you still there?
I'm here.
Great.
So, I love your description of your experience because of your clarity, which is quite rare, I have to say, when people are describing, regardless of what they're describing, they often don't have quite the descriptive clarity that you have, and clearly you have been through this more than once, I take it.
I'm hearing an echo.
Are you hearing that?
I like the sound of my voice, but not twice.
Okay, that's much better.
I don't know why my memories are so vivid and so clear.
I was fortunate in a way to have that be the case.
A lot of the experiences I wish I couldn't remember, but I think I'm better off overall for the clarity.
That's one of the reasons I wrote my first book.
You know, when I discovered this was happening to me, I had never heard of it.
I didn't know what it was, what it meant.
When you experience something as profound as being taken by an extraterrestrial race into not only another planet or another dimension of reality, it kind of takes over your interest in life.
So, it became my life.
I became a UFO researcher by default because I had to figure out what was going on with me.
I realized that there were so many people who didn't have the recall that I had, but had the symptoms, had pieces and memories and dreams, but it wasn't cohesive for them.
When I had gathered enough information that it was cohesive for me and I knew what was going on, I felt the obligation and the duty to share my story with other people, not for the public, but for people who were going through the same thing and had the same questions I had a few years before.
So, you know, I wrote my book in 1995 and it was, I don't know, maybe 50, 75 of my diary entries and I tried to make it, you know, a story that could be palatable for anyone and yet someone who was having experiences and yet wasn't conscious and didn't really know how they fit together could relate and maybe heal and, you know, put it together for themselves.
That was the intention of my first book.
I wrote it in 1995.
I got so much flack from the UFO community that I immediately dropped out.
My book was optioned by TriStar for a major motion picture.
I was four months into production.
I talked to everybody on the set, everybody on the production company, every day.
All of a sudden, one day, everybody stopped answering my phone calls.
They just disappeared.
And at that point I was becoming aware of my phones being tapped, being chased by black helicopters, and I'm convinced that there was some kind of intervention in my book becoming a movie at that time because it was too controversial.
I spoke out.
I think I was one of the first women to actually illustrate and write about being strapped to a table and having a hybrid fetus put into my body.
That was not cool.
You know, I dealt with it and I did what I felt I was meant to do and I went away.
Just recently, I was called back in and I decided, well, you know, I thought of a book 15 years ago when I dropped out and that was The Art of Close Encounters.
I'm a photographer and I'm visual and my first book was an illustrated book.
And at the end of that book, I put in an invitation to other people of contact to send me their artwork, and I wanted to do a tabletop art book.
It took me 15 years.
The first month or two, I received a lot of artwork, and then when I dropped out, I kept those with me.
I thought one day I may finish this, but I didn't know it would take 15 years.
That's great.
First of all, I have to say that I appreciate what you've done here and that I myself have had contact since I was very young.
I don't talk a lot about it as you know my sort of main job is Project Camelot and we deal more with whistleblowers we do deal with contactees I'm sure you're familiar with Miriam Delicato she's in my book and so it's very interesting for me to sort of hear your story and compare it to mine I
I also grew up in Northern California, but moved down to Southern California later when I was in my 20s, late 20s.
And I've been here ever since, so it's very interesting.
When you were going through your experiences, it sounds like predominantly with the grays initially.
Yes, predominantly with the grays, the mantis, the hybrids.
I experienced several different types of grays.
There's one in my book, I call him the big nose gray.
He was nine feet tall and he had reptilian slanted vertical iris green eyes.
So, a lot of the, you know, the entities I've experienced have been hybrids of other types of entities.
I think there's really only, I mean, I've got some stories of entities that I can't even believe, but the one thing that I thought was really funny when I was speaking for MUFON in L.A.
the first time, I was standing in line with a friend of mine who was a contactee, and she was telling me about, now this is, you know, like first years into this, and I'm thinking, I am insane talking about grey aliens.
And she said something to me, well you know my experiences are with the reptilians and you know they're like this and they're like that and they're you know a lot of Kundalini and I'm thinking This woman's insane!
She's absolutely crazy!
And then I stopped for a moment and I thought, okay, well I'm dealing with something that's totally crazy and insane, and I'm one to judge her?
So at that moment I went, okay, anything's game.
When I went to do this second book, or my third book, The Art of Close Encounters, someone questioned me like, how do you know these stories are real?
How did you qualify the stories?
And I said, you know what?
I put out an invitation to people of contact.
If you had an experience, send me your story.
And when they came in, I don't think there was one story that did not ring true to me after 25 years of investigation.
And I told these people, I said, listen, if I had edited my story, or if people had edited me, and if I had edited my girlfriend talking about a reptilian, first time I'd ever heard of a reptilian, and discounted them as crazy, then how far along would we have gotten?
And I said, so all the stories in my book, I don't discount anybody.
They're not going to get rich.
I didn't pay them for being in the book.
They only get one page, so they're not going to get famous.
These are people who genuinely want to contribute to the overall understanding of the phenomenon.
So it's like, okay, take it or leave it.
These are the stories.
Okay, beautiful.
Well, I'm very happy to hear your attitude towards that.
As Camelot, we've also had to keep a huge open mind, and as the saying goes, the mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.
That's true.
Sort of saying really holds true and is the only way to go about life at this time.
I think we're also going to be among a lot of people in the next coming years who are going to be relying on people like us for some help, because their sort of minds are going to be kind of blown by things that are going to be happening if they have not already sort of embraced this paradigm.
And many have not, as you will probably be very well aware.
It's interesting to hear that your TV show, or I'm sorry, well, your movie interfered with.
Yeah.
Because that seems to be par for the course as well.
You did make some progress apparently and then just all of a sudden they pulled it, huh?
Yes, yes.
It was on the road and one day it disappeared.
So, and like I said at that time I was noticing all these other strange things happen and I started being abducted by the government as well.
So, I knew that I knew it didn't have a chance, and I never tried to get it made into a movie again.
Last year, somebody said, well, why didn't you ever try again?
I thought, you know, I think I just wanted to go away and disappear, which I did.
I really wanted to try to live a normal life and get my normal life back.
I've said this so many times, once you know what we know, once you've seen what we've seen, Kerry, if you've been there too, you will never be normal again no matter how much you wish you could be or would try to be.
So, you know, I spent those 15 years pretty much in solitude because when I would go to dinner parties and hear normal conversations, my mind would just drift off to like, how are my hybrid children?
Don't these people know that, you know, what color dress you're wearing to the party is insignificant to you know, what's going on in the universe.
And I've always had this plaguing, you know, this plaguing information about the environment with me.
It's time that we start repairing the damage we've done.
the experiences they've given me and it's, you know, please, it's quote unquote, you know, it's time to save Mother Earth from her inhabitants.
It's time that we start repairing the damage we've done.
You know, the stuff that they gave me that wasn't painful was pretty profound, you know, and so I live with that every day.
I feel guilty for not sharing it, and yet I don't want to be a part of it.
Eventually I'm back, but in a different way.
I'm older now, and I have many hybrid children.
That experience was very traumatic, those experiences.
I know that they don't want me for those reasons anymore, so I'm not fearful.
of the physical pain and the emotional pain of those types of experiences.
So I'm just not afraid anymore.
So I'm back and I can take the stuff that I believe is important and try to share it from here on out.
Okay, now it sounds as though you were also aware of military abductions of yourself.
Yes.
And I myself have recently become aware of that as well, that component in my own background, and some telltale signs that have, especially because, again, being in Project Camelot, I'm now able to sort of pick up And I have to say, I have several questions in regard to how you are viewing your past encounters from the point of view that you have now.
And I think that you are also working with Melinda Leslie, who specializes, if I recall, and I'm going to be having her on my show as well in the future.
But she specializes in my lab, what I call my lab encounters.
Sure.
And recently I interviewed on Project Camelot Niara Isley, and I don't know if you know her.
Oh, I love Niara.
Sure, I know her.
Yeah.
Okay, and she has a pretty stunning, stunning tale in that regard.
And, you know, that side of things is quite, I guess you might say, diabolical.
I wonder what your experience was in that regard.
I would take a grey alien abduction of the worst kind way over a military abduction.
Okay, yeah.
You know, the greys have an agenda.
The aliens have an agenda.
It may be partially selfish.
I don't believe it's entirely selfish.
They are performing their work.
They're not sadistic.
Sometimes it feels like they're sadistic.
They're not sadistic.
The military is.
The military stops at nothing.
My last military abduction, I was so depressed.
I was absolutely suicidal for a couple of weeks.
One day I woke up and I said, you know what?
This is what they want.
They want me to take myself out.
They want me to be miserable.
So they don't win.
They don't get to win anymore.
At that point, it was like, okay, I understand.
It's all about greed, power, money, you know, the power structures, and that's who they happen to be, and I'm just not going to play in that field anymore.
So I actually eventually learned how to make all the abductions stop, thank God, and I didn't have to deal with them.
But, you know, I've said many times I hate what the Grays put me through.
I don't hate the Grays.
Yes, but I feel they feel it was necessary to do what they did to me and when I met my hybrid children and I saw how beautiful they were and I saw so many other hundreds of hybrid children that were, you know, deformed, skinny, dying, you know, so on and so forth and I realized that for whatever reason they're creating these hybrid races, they feel very urgent about it and they're doing the best they can do at it and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work
And, you know, all that they use me for to help create these other beings, not that the ends justifies the means, but I've seen the product and it's a phenomenally beautiful product.
You've got these hybrid children that are half human with, you know, sensitivity and creativity and, you know, emotion and, you know, are beautiful, sensitive, physical bodies that are, you know, blended with the intelligence of a different species, and I've seen every kind of hybrid you can imagine, which I always say 10% human to 90% alien and vice versa,
and all the different Earth species combined, and sometimes the different and all the different Earth species combined, and sometimes the different ET species So I'm convinced that this is how the universe works.
Okay.
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This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Hamlet, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Kim Carlsberg, the author of The Art of Close Encounters.
Wonderful book.
The artwork, by the way, Kim, is really quite stunning.
So thank you very much.
You actually gave me a copy of this book.
Yes, I was excited to do so when I finally got to meet you briefly at Congress.
Yeah, thank you very much.
And it really is a stunning, stunning book of art.
And I wonder, the person you said, Daryl, I think Daryl Anka, is that, did that person, were they involved with some of the artwork here?
No.
Daryl Anka actually helped me illustrate my first book, Beyond My Wildest Dreams.
Daryl is a world-renowned channel for an entity who calls himself Bashar, who claims to be a hybrid human-alien.
And I have known Daryl, you know, the better part of my life.
He's my best friend.
And I have gotten to know Bashar as a channeled entity very, very well also.
And, you know, I think once you've experienced ET Contact, your mind is kind of opened for just about anything and everything that is possible.
And I'm so glad that I've had these other experiences.
Like, you know, knowing channels and channeling and I do Reiki work and I, you know, telepathy and that kind of thing seems to be natural to people who've had contact.
Daryl has helped me tremendously and Bashar tremendously in ending my negative ET contacts and it's just, it's a very strange story because I was being used as a host for helping produce these hybrid children, and yet the person and or entity that saved my life claimed to be a human hybrid.
So it's a very convoluted and crazy universe we live in.
To this day, I say, Bashar, why did you save me?
And help me make the abduction stop when those abductions were the things that created you and your race in the future.
You know, he claims to come from the future.
So, I don't know all the answers by any means, but it's never dull.
Okay, well, to get back to, well, a couple things, because, you know, I have a point of view in regard to all of this as a result of not only being in Project Camelot, but also my own experiences throughout the years.
And perhaps I can share a couple of those little anecdotes with you as we go along here, because I think you might find them of interest.
And I have to say that I too have, although my recall isn't quite the same as yours, it's much more sort of spotty, I guess you might say, but it's just as clear in certain instances.
And I can say that I was used as a hybrid host, if you will, and at one point I actually woke up from a dream in which I was showing a group of babies to one of my sisters, believe it or not, and saying, you know, inviting her to name them.
Oh, wow.
They were her, you know, from her eggs or whatever kind of thing.
And I seem to have a very good attitude towards that.
But my sister was horrified and considered them less than human and wouldn't even name them.
And then I woke up.
Wow.
It was one of the more bizarre dreams I've ever or experiences that I've ever had.
And I actually have never spoken about that ever to anyone until now.
It just seems like there was never, you know.
Yeah.
Well, I'm honored that you shared something, you know, like that with me and with everybody.
I told my sister, but she didn't know what I was talking about because she Well, you know, one of my first experiences, you know, they handed me this baby and, you know, they expect you to breastfeed them.
And I wake up and I'm in this nursery and they're handing me this baby and I am so absolutely terrified.
By the horrific appearance of this little thing that I couldn't look at it.
I took one glance, and I looked away, and I'm screaming, I can't do this, I can't do this, I don't have any milk, I haven't been pregnant.
They're going, oh, but you don't understand, you can do this.
I'm like, no, no, no, it's going to die anyway.
It's going to die.
Look at it.
It was all shriveled up, and it was half the size of a human baby, and it was distorted and deformed.
I can totally understand your sister's perspective.
But after years and years and years of being shown more and more babies, different ages, different combinations, different stages of development, and finally my daughter who I named April, the last time I saw her she was about 13, um was so absolutely magnificent and I had so much love for her and she had so much love for me and it was like all this love that we had been denied my whole life just like in this one moment
and then I saw her they showed me her throughout her lifetime from a child to a you know an adolescent and and I had these vague memories of us being together and and then it was like oh my god these are my children I love them.
I will do anything I can to help.
So, you know, it's a growing process.
It's an adjustment.
And if you're, you know, I don't know if that was your sister, you know, in the dream, did she ever talk to you about that as a conscious memory for her?
No, as a matter of fact, what I'm saying is that I talked to her about it and she she basically said, you know, looked at me like I was crazy.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I have no recall whatsoever that I mean, which which is what I what I assumed would happen.
Right.
But but I have to say that that that I'm I kind of view this whole sort of framework a little bit.
It sounds like a little bit differently than you and and I'm not sure Where the limits go on this, but basically what I understand is that we have, that humanity itself is a hybrid race, that we are a hybrid of Possibly as many as 22 and possibly more ET species already.
Oh, I absolutely agree with that.
Yeah, and then the gray situation is kind of another component, and part of that has to do with actually a takeover scenario of the planet, in my view, and it is not a positive scenario.
I do understand that obviously the humans that are created from this sort of experiment, if you will, one can't hold them at fault for what is a takeover scenario.
And that gets into what's going on with With the nuclear situation on the planet, the changing of the planet to a more methane-like environment, ultimately.
So there is some really diabolical aspects to this whole scenario.
But, you know, the contact situation is fascinating, and then you have to bring in the military component.
Sure.
As Niara spoke about in her interview, the military is also working obviously with various E.T.
races and one aspect of them is working obviously with the Greys and their more diabolical sort of plans for the planet.
So all of this is really, it's a real rabbit hole, I would say.
It is.
Now in terms of, I don't, you know, because we could talk about your specific experiences more in more depth if you like, and then maybe in the second hour we could go into some of the stories that were put into your book if you have recall of those, you know, anecdotally and you'd like to share.
Any sort of highlights.
And then on top of it, I do have a chat room that someone was writing to me saying maybe it's not operational, but there is a link on our site to the chat room.
If for some reason the chat doesn't seem to be working, then this won't work.
But usually we also have a call-in feature where other people can call in and and say, you know, sort of share their own experiences and so on, which is always a great thing to do and ask you questions.
So that's kind of the layout of the next sort of hour and 10 minutes that we have left.
So do you want to talk a little bit more about sort of some of your experiences, how it turned maybe from negative to positive if it did?
And then if you have any, as you said, you were sort of rescued by Bashar, and that's an interesting little story or way of putting it.
So perhaps you want to get into that a little more.
Yeah, you know, you really have me hooked on the methane environment.
I'm like, my brain is going in all these different directions.
The very first chapter of my book, I named my book Beyond My Wildest Dreams for a very good reason and it's because most people of contact in the beginning People are not conscious.
They don't understand what's happening, and most people think it's a dream, just like you.
You said you woke up from a dream.
Well, what happened to me through the years of being determined to be conscious, I figured out what was happening and how to become conscious through my experiences.
It was self-hypnosis.
It was just pure intention.
I'm a hard-headed Irish woman, and I said, by God, if you're going to take me, I'm going to remember.
Well, I'm very glad to hear that.
Okay, now we have another break and then we'll be back at the top of the hour.
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And Kim, are you still there?
I'm still here.
Okay, I'm sorry my dog.
Your dog's still here too.
Okay, she saw somebody outside the door, so that was just really not opportune.
We were just at the other side of the hour, we were just going to have you go into a little bit more about your experiences and if you can describe how Bashar so-called saved you from negative abductions.
I will, but I still have to finish the hook, the hook about the methane environment.
I was talking about why I named my book Beyond My Wildest Dreams.
And what I discovered was, in my experience, I am absolutely sure I was taken too.
Another dimension of reality, and I don't know how to describe that.
I did the best I could in my book.
You know, I told people if you are taken out of your bed and you wake up underwater, but you were able to breathe, you would know that was not your natural environment.
You would probably be terrified.
You would be panicking.
Everything would be blurry and confusing, and then you would find yourself back in your bed.
That's usually how abduction begins.
Now, if you are a hard-headed person like myself and decided that you were going to be conscious, you would do everything possible to learn how to manipulate in an unnatural environment, which is what I did.
I convinced myself it was possible.
I used self-hypnosis that I would learn how to understand and be comfortable and relate to this environment that they take me to.
And eventually I was as conscious as a human being could be in another dimension of reality.
So in my experiences with them, I have determined for me that we live in a multiverse of possibly infinite dimensions of reality and that we may shift from moment to moment.
So when you say that you are talking about maybe the aliens coming here and taking over and trying to create one environment for them here, I'm looking at nobody knows what's right or wrong, and we're all just fishing around to try to come to the truth.
It is.
It could be that all these scenarios are true in some space and time continuum.
It could be that, you know, they are here right now living in the earth, living in a parallel dimension.
They could be coming to take it all over, or it could all be true.
I don't see how they could be transforming the planet when it's not their natural dimension, but it could be possible.
So after that hook, after I got that out, Okay, well let me actually address that because you know I think it would be fairly helpful to hear where I'm coming from here.
What we are talking about is the things that are happening on the planet that are happening as a result of not only natural occurrences but the natural occurrences are being augmented and and tilted a certain way by the military industrial complex the secret government etc and this is obviously the area that Camelot gets into and the grays the negative
now there are services self grays and there are service to other grays so So, there are different groups of grays and so we're not lumping them all together.
But the more negative service to self-grays are working with the reptilians and are working to create a different environment here on this planet.
this sort of 3D moving into 4D Earth.
And I believe you're completely correct in regard to there being many, many layers of dimensions.
But predominantly what's spoken about is that the ETs that we are all encountering and having experiences with live primarily in the fourth dimension.
And they are able to come into this dimension, what was the sort of 3D, sort of top end of 3D, if you will.
That the Earth is now already gone into practically 4D almost totally.
Although many people on Earth are not sort of experiencing.
Experiencing 4D consciously, so they are not aware, whereas people like you and I and other abductees and experiencers, etc.
will be aware of the 4D dimension to our reality constantly.
In other words, I'm constantly aware of it.
I assume that you are as well and some others are as well because I compare notes with people as I go.
and you might find it interesting to know that a lot of people that work for the military have also got, for example, enhanced telepathic capacity as I do and also they have ability to sort of, you know, psychic abilities, enhanced telepathic capacity as I do and also they have ability to sort of, you know, psychic abilities, sort of sixth sense and seeing into
And even though they may work as a military type person, this augments their usefulness to the government.
A lot of people don't realize that.
And what we found with interviewing people from Black Projects is, without exception, they have enhanced abilities.
So it's very, very interesting to contemplate what's really going on here.
But please continue.
Okay, so all that being said, it's probably all happening.
We're just viewing it from one perspective at a time.
But as far as my relationships with the Greys getting progressing, I tell people, I was forced to evolve.
I was pressured to evolve by my sheer insistence on understanding who they were.
I'm so glad that I did.
I'm so glad I know what I know.
I have these other abilities.
It's really confusing to try to put it all together.
You think, okay, now I know I have these beautiful hybrid children.
I have all these extra abilities.
And yet, you know, it came from such a negative place.
I guess you just take whatever you get in life and you take the best from it.
At one point I started telling the ETs that they had to start communicating with me consciously and not just during an abduction.
I said, why don't you come and visit me?
I live on the beach in Malibu.
Come to the beach.
Visit me.
I recited this every night for months and months and months.
I know you're there.
I know you're taking me.
I want to be conscious.
I want to meet you in person.
Please let me meet you in person.
One night, I'm in bed, Greg's asleep, and I get this rush, and I get this tingling, and I get this telepathic hit that they are on their way.
And I'm like, Oh my God, I've wanted this for so many years!
Oh my God, I'm so excited!
I slide out of bed, and we're literally, we've moved across the street, you know, there's no longer Pacific Coast Highway between us and the beach, we're on the sand.
And I slid out of bed.
I slink into the living room.
The silver craft rushes up to the window, and I hear them say, this is what you wanted.
Here we are.
At that moment, I literally dropped to my knees in fear and crawled backwards into the corner of the living room.
I was shivering like a wet dog.
I was so terrified, and yet it was everything that I ever wanted, but I realized I wasn't ready.
And I'm pretty tough, and I was absolutely shocked at my own reaction to the situation.
And they sent me a telepathic message, and they said, it's fine.
It's really fine.
We know you're not ready, and you will have this opportunity again.
A few nights later, I had an experience that was a little more dreamlike.
I think they wanted me to know them consciously, but they knew that I really couldn't take it fully consciously yet.
And they came back, and they started projecting.
These symbols on the wall of my living room, okay?
So my living room is entirely black because I'm on, you know, the ocean.
And so they were projecting these lights, these symbols on the wall, and I was trying to understand them, and I couldn't.
And I didn't think about that ever again until UFO Congress, when Stan Romanek talked about the aliens giving him these symbols.
So I only had four regressions in my life, and they were just for little pieces of things that I couldn't, you know, bring to recall.
And I was actually thinking of maybe going back to Iman Smith and trying to see if I could recall these symbols, but I've been so busy moving to Sedona that I can't do that now.
But they did try to start communicating with me on a conscious level.
And then when it finally did happen, I was completely conscious, they were coming to get me.
They did come to get me out of my bed, but there were four of them and they came through my closet door.
I had a sliding glass closet door.
And they said, you know, you asked for this.
We're coming.
And they came and two came to my, you know, two to my shoulders, two to my feet.
They started to float me out of my bed.
And I just reacted to this presence, this huge head to my left with a knee-jerk reaction.
You know, I want to push his head away from my face.
And as I did, my hand slipped in between his face and my face, and my thumb slipped into his mouth.
And I felt the hard palate.
And it was wet and warm, just like a human palate.
And at that moment, I became one, literally one, with this being.
And I was feeling all these feelings of disgust and fear and grossness.
And I'm thinking, oh my God, does this entity think that I'm gross?
Or are these my feelings that I think he's gross?
I couldn't separate the two of us.
And then at that moment, it just switched like a light going off.
I was completely bound in the most intense love I had ever known.
And I'm thinking, wow, you know, I always heard the greys didn't have emotion.
And that's absolutely not true.
I think they have so much emotion that they keep it so suppressed because we couldn't handle it.
And at that moment, I passed out.
It was like he kissed me.
He kissed me and I passed out.
And I tell people it was the kiss of death.
It was just too much.
You know, these are little antidotes of my experiences and then the most profound of my spiritual experiences with them, I had had surgery and I was in bed for about a week and I kept dozing in and out of consciousness and I felt them around monitoring me and these These eyes appeared in front of me.
They were huge eyes.
They were like hybrid eyes.
And I was getting this telepathic message that, you know, messages about the earth, messages about, you know, consciousness.
And then the being said, and you are us.
And at that moment, I found myself completely connected to everything in the universe.
I knew myself to be God.
I knew myself to be Kim Carlsberg.
I knew myself to be the planet.
I knew myself to be the ETs.
I was that quintessential one that everybody strives for in meditation and religion.
I had that moment.
So, when it was all said and done, I'm like, you guys have destroyed my body, you've destroyed my female organs, you've destroyed my relationships, my career, and yet, you give me this.
So, you know, as humans, we like things to make sense.
You know, we like balance.
We like understanding.
And yet, in the world of E.T.s, you know, it's not like that.
It's extreme.
Okay, well, thank you for that.
That's wonderful.
I have to say that I'm not sure, I mean, I appreciate the way you're speaking about it and that's obviously your experience.
Let me tell you that I personally have had that same experience, okay?
However, I had it through Samadhi and meditation.
I was having ET experiences simultaneously, but But I would not say that they created that experience in me by any means, because I was completely awake and conscious when it happened as well.
And it's happened several times since then.
What it's known as is a Samadhi experience, and it can go on also for days in that way.
But, you know, but regardless of how one comes across that experience, obviously it's very, very precious and it is something that everyone would like to and eventually does experience, whether it be in this lifetime or others.
So, okay, so at this point, I guess what would be great, because we only... You want to hear about your star, right?
Well, we have 45 minutes left, so what I'd like to do is, if we could talk about, because people are asking questions in the chat, and I don't know, if you go to my main page and scroll down to the radio area, you can see the link to the chat, and then you can can go to the page and scroll down and see the questions yourself.
Otherwise, I will just, you know, ask them.
I've asked people to type their questions in all caps so that it's easier in, you know, because in between people are chatting as well.
But one of the questions they do want to talk about is how did you get out of the negative abduction scenario?
Because a lot of people wouldn't like to get out of that themselves.
Sure.
Let me throw this in while I'm thinking about it.
I haven't been there in a long time, but I put together a Facebook page called AbductionFreeZone.com.
I explain on that site how I put an end to the abductions.
Other people explain on the site how they put an end to their abductions, and they're not the same.
There are probably as many ways to stop it as there are people who are being abducted, if they would apply their intention.
I realized that my body was being destroyed from the reproductive process.
I wasn't really sure at that point if I wanted the abductions to stop or not, but I knew I had to make them if I was going to be physically fit.
So I started with intention.
I started saying to myself and to them, You know, telepathically, self-hypnosis, I deserve to be free.
I deserve to be abduction free.
I deserve to be, you know, a whole human being.
I deserve health.
You know, I deserve to sleep at night.
And I put, once again, I put this in my consciousness so often and so deeply that it started working.
And I found that the abduction started subsiding.
So, they reduced significantly.
But then one night, I had an abduction by the Grays, and then I had an abduction by the military the next night, and I was so upset.
You know, when you have a friend who does something for a living, you don't bother them for their services.
So, I never bothered Daryl for him to channel for me, because he was my best friend, and that was his job.
But if it was really, really essential, once every few years, I would go to him and I would say, That day, he said yes.
He came over to my apartment, my house.
He pulled up a chair in front of me and our knees were touching.
He wanted to trance.
Bashar came through and said, I don't know if I can help you or not, but I'm going to give you a mantra.
And he goes, and if you do this mantra every day for the rest of your life, it may keep the greys away, but I have no guarantees.
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This is Keri Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Kim Carlsberg.
Kim, are you there?
I'm here.
I'm here.
Okay, great.
So, right before the break, you were going to continue your story about, I believe, what Bashar told you.
Right.
Right.
So, Bashar gave me a mantra, and while he gave me this mantra, he was channeling energy through Daryl, through Daryl's body, through Daryl's knees, into my body, through my knees.
And all the time I was sitting in this chair, I just felt my body vibrating.
I felt myself changing and shifting.
And all I can say is, you know, he didn't know if it was going to work.
It worked.
And, you know, years later I went to him and I said, why did this work?
And he told me that he had changed my cellular vibration to make me become invisible to the grace.
So, I assume that other people can change their vibration, higher the vibration, as new-agey as that sounds, but for me it was very, very real.
I did the mantra.
He had keyed the mantra into the new vibration in my body.
So when I did the mantra every night, it kept that higher vibration alive.
So I went a couple of weeks and I didn't have a sign of the grace coming around.
I was just ecstatic.
I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm cured.
I'm healed.
This is awesome.
So I stopped doing the mantra.
About three or four days later, guess who shows up in my bedroom?
So I said, nope, it's not going to happen.
I immediately went to the mantra again and I kept doing it.
I did it for months.
Months later, I'm thinking, I'm really cured now.
They're never going to find me.
I stopped doing it.
A few weeks later, guess who shows up?
So, you know, essentially I had to do it for many, many years every night and it was, you know, at that time I would have done anything to, you know, not be abducted and it was a very simple thing.
You know, a 15 minute meditation, a 15 minute mantra that, you know, kept me invisible to them.
So, you know, after five or six years I slowed down and I stopped doing it and, you know, the last ten years I haven't had to do that because I just changed permanently.
But, that was how I did it, and like I said, AbductionFreeZone.com.
Other people, come there, share your stories.
If you've learned how to stop abduction, if you want to learn how to, we're all in this together to share all the information we can.
That was my story of Bashar.
Thank you very much.
That's great.
And I'm sure that people will appreciate that very much.
Okay, now we are I'm trying to sort of keep track of the time here so that we can also allow people to maybe Ask you questions and as well as have you say the things that you want to get across during this time here.
So we have about 35 minutes left and what I would say also regarding that, just to augment what you have said, is that my understanding is also that as you become more 5D, That's where the greys are not able to go after you, so to speak.
They are not able to go against your will and you have established your parameters as a sovereign being and it also has to do with as Bashar said, the high frequency or vibration that your body is.
So also through meditation, you can achieve that.
And it also has to do with the altering of your DNA.
So it's actually there for everyone.
Okay, so let's also talk maybe a little bit more about your military abductions because there are people out there experiencing that at this time.
And if there's any sort of aspect to your work, military abductions that might be helpful to other people for them to know, for them to know sort of what things are going on, why you think they were getting involved with you, etc, etc.
I think that would be valuable.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's so difficult to talk about the alien abductions because most of them involved the Greys as well, or other E.T.
groups.
And I didn't have conscious recall of the military abductions because that wasn't my focus when they started happening.
Once again, oh my God, what is this?
This is a totally different type of experience.
There were times when I was taken to a military base and I was in a semi-underground room and I could look out this tiny little window like a 50s military base, an old military base.
I would see this tarmac and I'd see military people walking around and I heard Telepathic information, there were a couple other abductee women in the room and you know, then they take me into a room and there's an E.T., there's a grey sitting in this room with some, you know, high-ranking military officer across the room from him in these two chairs and I was forced to look at this E.T.
that had this really deformed face.
And when you're with them, everything is telepathic.
You know, you can't hide your feelings, you can't hide your thoughts no matter how much you try.
And this ET turned around and looked at me and he goes, we just wanted you to see how difficult this process is.
He goes, I was part of the genetic program and deformities like these are common.
So I want you to appreciate all we've gone through to get the hybrids as perfect as they are.
And it was, you know, none of it made sense.
Why would the military take me to see an ET, you know, to tell me this message and then bring me home?
So, you know, once I woke up and my head was being pushed in the back seat, I remember I was in my bed, and I felt a body cross my body.
You know, a man threw his body across my body to hold me down.
I went unconscious.
They drugged me, put me in a car.
I kept waking up, and my head... There were two guys, one driving and, you know, the passenger, and I would try to raise my head up, and every time I would raise my head up, this guy would grab my head and push it back in the seat and say, stay down.
And we were, you know, going through a residential neighborhood, they were speeding, and I'm What the hell's going on?
And I said, they don't want me to see something.
What is it they don't want me to see?
And I put my head up and I just see these, you know, residential neighborhood, normal neighborhood, didn't mean anything.
And then I realized that something was chasing us.
And the last time I raised my head, there was a craft chasing us down this road with a disc, a small disc.
And it was sending me telepathic messages.
And I'm like it, but it was trying to help me.
And it was saying, they got you because you had a drink.
They got you because you ate before you went to bed.
You were already unconscious.
They could just take you because you were already unconscious.
Don't drink and eat before you go to bed if you want to understand these experiences.
You've got to be more conscious.
And I'm like, what is this?
The next thing I know, this guy hits me across the head and I'm unconscious again.
So, you know, there was no rhyme or reason for any of it, but the ones The ones that I remembered where I was most depressed were the ones that were primary military.
I've been taken to a place, I call it the complex.
I put that in my first book.
It was an amphitheater and there were military human females walking around in these little skirts and jackets and just like regular military outfits.
There was somebody saying something.
I was on the stage and I knew that we were there to learn something.
They kept saying, you're being prepared for something.
I never went willingly.
I was always argumentative.
I would just get up and start cursing.
I'd go, I can't hear you back here.
Why do you bring us here?
Render us unconscious.
Tell us we're being prepared for something and you don't tell us what we're being prepared for.
At that time, I'm removed from the room for my belligerence.
And then the next thing I do, I wake up and I'm strapped to a table with Grey's around me.
And I'm going through a, you know, I'm being pushed down a hallway in a hospital-like scenario.
So, you know, I mean, it's crazy.
You know, I really appreciate this.
It's actually quite fun because you're so outspoken.
You're almost as outspoken as I am.
And I just, I get a kick out of it.
And I'm also like that, you know, extremely rebellious.
Since a child.
And so maybe it just goes with the territory.
But at any rate, what I'm getting from you and your voice, though, is that you have a great deal of sort of pent up rage or frustration with these experiences more so than you do the others.
And I'm just wondering, have you worked with Melinda Leslie at all with regard to this?
No, I don't feel the need to work with anybody.
I mean, I think I'm fine with all of it.
The four regressions I did with Yvonne Smith were very, very healing and helpful and I'm at peace with it all.
I mean, you know when I get talking about it like this, of course, I'm looking through my book and I'm seeing the pictures and I'm going, oh yeah, I remember this and I remember that.
But you do that when you look at old pictures of old boyfriends, so it's not anything unnatural, I don't think.
No, but in terms of military abductions, in other words, it also sounds as though you don't understand exactly, like you said, there's no rhyme or reason, but of course there is a rhyme and reason.
You know, your conscious mind, your logical mind will say, you know, they weren't doing this for no reason.
And so, what I'm curious about is over the years has any more information come to you as to why those were occurring?
No.
I honestly have to say no.
Purposely shut it off and none of that has come back.
Okay.
Now, just out of curiosity, have you had, are you familiar with, for example, Alex Collier, and have you had any encounters with the Andromedans?
No, I don't believe so.
Can you Well, Alex Collier has two very specific Andromedans that he's had encounters with, that unless you're familiar with his story, you wouldn't be familiar with them.
One is a very tall being and one is sort of like a small old man.
That's the best way I can describe him.
And I forget their names.
Um, but, you know, but anyway, if you haven't heard his story, uh, he is, he's a, he's a very interesting contactee and, and, and a very lucid one.
Um, and he's, you know, written a book, um, and, and it would be interesting for you to, for you to hear about that.
But at any rate, I did have an encounter with one of, um, what I found out later, it was just a weird coincidence that the, that I was in, Throughout the night talking to a little old man with a bald head and who was sitting next to my bed.
It wasn't an abduction.
He was just visiting me and this is before Camelot and before, you know, Sort of more obvious things came out.
At any rate, and then later when Alex described his two contactees, it sounded just like this guy.
So I think that maybe my encounter was with the same guy, which I actually told Alex.
But at any rate, at the very end, when I was coming awake, I said to him, well, where are you from?
And he said, Andromeda.
And then I woke up and the one thing, when I say I woke up, I think that what happens is that I came to in this dimension.
So that's another way of putting it.
But at any rate, the one thing that occurred to me back then, and this was kind of around the year 2000, but it wasn't exactly.
And I said, the one thing that I actually said to him, that I was really disappointed that this was an ET experience, but that he just looked normal.
Which is very funny.
Anyway.
I dropped out for 15 years and I have a lot of catching up to do on the different contactees and experiences and so forth, but I'm very interested again and I've got lots of great books to read, but time is so limited.
I have so many questions in here from people that I'm going to try to pick and choose.
One person is saying this.
They're saying they've noticed a lot of UFOs in the sky at night.
They see objects all the time that defy physics and are not airplanes.
Is that because they know that he is aware of them, in your opinion?
You know, that's a very interesting question.
I used to think that was the case, but I don't know anymore.
I think more and more people are becoming conscious and more people are seeing things, and I think that the ETs are becoming more available to the masses.
You know, when I came here to Sedona, it was almost a joke.
It was really, I just wanted to move here.
I've had land in Snowflake for 15 years, and I wanted to build a house on my land, and I've always loved Sedona.
And then Melinda, I ran into Melinda at, you know, UFO Congress.
And she said, come to Sedona and do UFO sky watching tours with me.
And it was just like, boom, sure, that sounds like fun.
You know, not really taking it that seriously.
I said, what a great excuse to move to Sedona.
So I moved here a few weeks ago.
I've been out with her, I don't know, officially two nights in a row for three or four hours.
And we're just taking tourists out with night vision goggles.
You know, 3G night vision goggles and we're going out to these UFO hotspots and looking up at the sky and I swear to God my mind is blown because I have seen almost as many UFOs in the last few nights as I've seen in my life and I've probably seen 100 UFOs.
And I'm like, what is going on?
Is it?
You know, they call Sedona a dark, dark sky city.
And I'd never heard that term before.
But what they do is they, you lived here, right?
You know the term?
Yes.
I saw a million ships.
In fact, I would see them almost every night.
I'm seeing them out here on Mount, I live at the beach on in Malibu, north of Malibu now.
We switched.
Yeah.
And I see them all the time out here.
All the time.
And I actually agree with you.
I think they're becoming more bold.
And the other thing is that I think the military is, you know, is flying those ships, obviously, with the Greys and so on and so forth.
And I think that they're all working together.
And so I think, you know, you can also telepathically tap into who's in those ships.
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You ask, is this where it is?
Then somebody points to you and says, it's his.
And you say, what's mine?
And somebody else says, well, what is?
And you say, oh my God, am I here all alone?
But something is happening.
Something is happening.
You don't know what it is.
We are alone.
We have never been alone.
As you would say.
OK, so you were interrupted, I believe, right at the bottom of the commercial.
Where did I leave off?
I think you were talking about God.
Well, we were doing the military.
Oh, you Sedona and we were we were answering a question.
Oh, yeah.
Answering a question in regards to the ships.
And I was just agreeing with you.
I think that there are a lot of ships and that they're being more obvious and that I was just saying at the very bottom of the hour that I also think that you can tap into who is occupying those ships.
In other words, what race, you know, whether it's a human combination with reptilians, etc.
And I wondered if you felt that.
Well, like I said, I've only been out for a few nights.
And trust me, I avoided the night sky for 15 years.
So, I'm very proud of myself for being so bold to go out with, of all people, Melinda Leslie in the middle of the desert, you know, around this place that is, you know, known for underground military and alien bases.
And so, I've been extremely alert, you might say.
And the first night I was out with Melinda, she said, I feel something.
She said it two or three times, I feel something, and then immediately a craft went over.
So yeah, I agree.
If you're in tune at all, you're going to be in tune with the kind of stuff that's going around, do what you're focusing on.
But the most profound thing that's happened so far in just a couple of nights, I can't wait to write another book just about this.
This is so exciting.
I'm really having fun.
The night before last, we took a couple of women out from South America somewhere.
No, excuse me.
The first night we took out these young people.
These young people are into this.
This kid was 14 years old and his 19-year-old brother, who was just starting to go to school at Arizona State, was up here with his parents.
Of all things, they picked the night-watching tour and the parents went off and had dinner.
I was so proud of these kids.
I go, God, you're so open-minded and bright.
We're going to make this worth your while.
We went out there within 20 minutes.
These two kids have the night vision goggles.
They're looking in one direction.
Melinda and I are looking in another.
We're looking over Cathedral Rock.
I'm sure it was Chavez Ridge.
We call it Chavez Ridge.
You probably know where it is.
It's Upper Red Rock Loop Road.
We're down there at night.
We're looking over Cathedral Rock.
All of a sudden, this huge white glowing orb that looks like it's in the fog shoots over our heads and is pulsating.
I mean, bright white slowly dims, bright light slowly dims.
Did this about four times.
It looked like it was going to crash into the mountain, and it took a dive behind the mountain.
And I was like a little kid.
I was screaming at the top of my lungs.
I said, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God.
And these two youngsters never turned around.
And I'm like, I can't believe you guys didn't get to see this.
So, you know, being a photographer, I'm going, my God, I don't even have a camera out here.
Not that I could have gotten on film or disc or whatever, but I'm, my mind's just, I'm like, I've got to learn how to, how to capture this stuff.
It was the same.
Now, call me crazy.
Is this coincidence?
Is this synchronicity?
This is the first time I consciously go out into the desert in 15 years to look for UFOs, and it is the identical craft that I saw on my first conscious sighting in Malibu, moon over Malibu, in my book.
And I'm looking at Melinda and I'm saying, is this a coincidence?
And she said, oh, you're just reading too much into it.
The next day she woke up and she goes, I don't think that was a coincidence.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, definitely.
And actually, I used to live right over there in Sedona.
Now, another person is asking, they've asked so many questions here and it's just such a tragedy because we only have ten minutes left, so you're going to have to come back on my show sometime in the future.
I'd love to.
I have so many questions for you!
Well, there are so many people with so many questions here that it's really, you know, obviously they're very excited to hear your stories and to listen to you.
Somebody is saying, have you experienced a quickening since the beginning of the year?
And then another question is asking about information about 2012 and beyond.
So if you could maybe address both of those.
The answer is yes.
I've absolutely experienced a quickening.
I have gotten to the point where, you know, one of my favorite sayings has always been, you know, how to make God laugh, make plans.
And the last year and a half of my life, you know, of course a lot of it has to do with the economic collapse and, you know, I lost my real estate investments and, you know, I've been pushed around financially.
But I have been fighting everything, you know, trying to keep everything The status quo.
What I'm finding out is I have to give up wanting to have control over anything, because the minute I try to control it, it is shattered in front of me.
It was no coincidence that I ended up in Sedona.
I mean, this is where I belong.
I know it.
God's been trying to get me out of my – I can't use the term I always use because it's kind of not very nice.
Yeah, so that I can do what I'm supposed to be doing.
That's sharing my information about the ETs and helping to raise consciousness in any little way I can.
Religion is a smile on a dog, a smile once in a while.
I don't know what it is, but I'm just giving up control and every minute I do, I'm getting What I need, I'm getting guidance and I'm getting back to my true self and I think most of us, I think that's why we are suffering this global financial crisis to get us back in touch with who we are as human beings because when, I love Stephen Bassett's term, social consciousness.
I'll think of it in a second.
But he said, you know, we don't need money anymore.
We need each other.
And that's the way it's turning out.
And we're all waking up and we're all trying to, you know, maneuver through these waters, these shifting waters.
And the only thing you can do is let go.
How stupid.
Let go and let God.
And yeah, it's all moving so fast.
The minute I put my foot down, I'm like, oh, I know I was going to step there, but uh-uh, that place isn't there anymore.
You know, I'm laughing because obviously I'm experiencing some similar things and I bet a lot of people listening will be as well.
People are asking also, have you practiced magic or used Ouija boards?
I have.
My first favorite book of all time is Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality.
Jane Roberts started off on a Ouija board.
I did it a few times when I was 20, 25 years ago for fun.
I've been channeling most of my life.
And funny enough, they should ask because I haven't touched a Ouija board in 20, 25 years.
And I got here to Sedona and one of my good friends, whom I believe you were next door neighbors with, Jocelyn Buckner.
Do you know Bill Buckner and Jocelyn?
They said you lived across the field.
There was a big field over there.
No, maybe I don't know who they are, but they may know me.
I lived in this fabulous house.
Yeah.
There are a lot of those there.
But anyway, she pulls out this Ouija board, but it's a new Ouija board.
It's called Psychic Friends Circle.
And she's got a 26-year-old daughter, and I was there with a friend, and we sat down at the table.
I thought, oh, this is going to be fun.
I remember I used to do this.
This Ouija board, she and I put our fingers on this Ouija board, and this thing took off so fast, there was no way we could keep track.
I couldn't keep track.
I just shut off my conscious mind, and I told her daughter, I said, you write everything down.
I'm just going to close my eyes.
You write down the words.
And this board is a lot easier than the old Ouija board.
Because it has a lot more symbols that make it easier to interpret.
She's writing this stuff down and I'm just singing in my head in the background so that I can let the energy flow through and not be in the way.
Jocelyn is doing the same thing.
And the information that came through was so right on, just right on, right on, right on.
I thought, oh my God, this is even more fun than conscious channeling because all my friends are involved.
So yeah, it was a blast and I'm keeping notes because it's so powerful and one day I'm going You know, let people know what was said and what the results were because it's amazing.
Okay, well one thing I'd like to say to you is to also, that it would be great as a photographer for you to be able to start to photograph what you do see when you're out on these night, you know, journeys with Melinda because as a photographer you might have a special access to documenting some stuff and you can get some great photographs.
It would be very exciting if you would do that.
If it's possible, I will figure out how to do it.
That's it.
Okay, sounds good.
And of course, Sedona has got all kinds of vortexes and so on and so forth.
So, you know, there's also other dimensions, you know, simultaneously there and you can get extra dimensional beings and so on.
So, let's see.
I'm trying to see.
Have you ever had a positive abduction by a service to others group?
I've had many.
See, I'm so hesitant to do these labels, but the answer is yes, absolutely.
Okay.
Could you say your website, because we're at the end of the show, believe it or not, and we just have like one minute or less.
So, thank you very much for being on the show with me, Kim Carlsberg.
It's been very fun.
Thank you.
And please give your website and say some closing remarks.
Sure.
Theartofcloseencounters.com, the name of my newest book is The Art of Close Encounters, and my website is theartofcloseencounters.com.
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Okay, thanks so much, Kim.
It's been a delight, and let's have you back real soon.
Okay, will do.
Take care.
Okay, buh-bye.
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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