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March 24, 2011 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT: NIARA ISLEY - MILAB ABDUCTEE
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here with Niara Isley, and she is an experiencer, and I've just met her at the UFO Congress here in Phoenix.
It's 2011, February, and I actually don't know a whole lot about you, but you came up to me and you have a very interesting story, and I just thought we might capture it on film and see how it goes.
No guarantees that we're going to publish this.
I'll say that right up front.
It'll be dependent on your testimony and how much it sort of seems like something that needs to get out there.
Okay.
I do know you're speaking around, so it's very likely it's something that needs to get out there.
Okay.
But let's just see how it goes.
Whatever happens is fine.
Okay, great.
At this point, I'd like you to introduce yourself and tell us your background.
And then what I'd like you to actually do, because I know a tiny bit of your story, is start from the point at which you began to start to be aware that something different was going on in your life than you had previously thought.
Well, my name's Niara, and middle name is Tarela, and I put that in because I'm going to be dropping the Isley legally at some point.
Okay.
So Niara Tarela is what I'll be going by, and that'll be how my book is published.
My story kind of starts with the Air Force.
I was in the United States Air Force from 19...
From 1979 to 1983, went in April, got out April, both those years.
Had four years of enlistment and didn't really realize the things that happened to me until ten years later.
I had a friend who was into UFOs and stuff like that, so we were having great times talking about UFOs and spirituality and all kinds of things that I've been into all my life.
Can I interrupt right here to get a little more of a description in terms of what you did on your job in the Air Force?
Okay, yeah.
I was a surface-to-air missile, anti-aircraft, radar, artillery radar.
That was my career field.
Okay.
Okay.
And it's called auto-track radar.
And so you have the big radar that sweeps the sky, like an air traffic control radar, and that radar would have radios and a site, and then there would be all these little satellite radars out on the radar range, and the big sweep the sky radar would call out to these little auto-track sites and say we have incoming aircraft at such and such degrees,
elevation, azimuth, And range, and then we would take and point our little radar in that part of the sky and try to pick that aircraft up.
And what we were doing out on the Tonopah electronic warfare range was training pilots to fly against radar to increase their survivability during wartime.
That way they could practice using their electronic countermeasures, like dropping chaff or diving down in the ground clutter, which is Classy way to say you're hiding behind a hill, flying close to the ground.
And that was my job.
So you would interact with the pilots, communicating with them, telling them whether they were on or off?
Actually, we didn't.
We didn't have any interaction with the pilots other than a system called IF-SIF. IF was IFF, Identification Friend-Foe.
And then SIF was Special Identification Feature.
And so we would have transponders that would send out a signal to that aircraft and then the transponder would answer back and we'd know if for the exercise, if it was considered a friendly aircraft or a hostile aircraft.
Because it's like a big sky war game is basically what it is.
Incredible.
Now, you were at Tonopah.
Was that here in Arizona?
No, it was in Tonopah, Nevada.
And there was a town of Tonopah, and then there was Tonopah Electronic Warfare Range.
And then while I was stationed at Nellis, they actually changed the designation to Electronic Combat Range.
And there were two radar ranges.
One was Tonopah, one was Talisha Peak.
Okay, and how many years were you there?
I was there for about a year.
I only worked on the range for, I would say, under a year.
Where were you previously?
Previously, I went through Lackland Air Force Base for boot camp, and then I was at Kiesler Air Force Base for Technical Training School in Biloxi, Mississippi, and then my first duty station was Nellis Air Force Base and the radar range unit that was there.
Okay, and then where did you go after that?
After I was done at Nellis, I was stationed at Gila Bend Air Force Auxiliary Field down here in Arizona, near Gila Bend, Arizona.
And I was there for about a year.
And then after that, I was stationed at Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho for the last year of my tour of service.
I see.
And so your total time in the Air Force was...
Four years.
Four years.
But a lot of it was taken up with technical training.
Training school took quite a bit of time to be trained in electronics field.
Okay.
And let me see.
How old were you approximately when you did this?
24, 25 years old.
So you were quite a bit younger than you are now.
This is in your past.
Yes.
It was 1980 that the situation we're going to be talking about happened.
Okay, but when you were in the Air Force, was also 1980?
Yes, I was in from 1979 to 1983.
Okay, so the situation you're talking about happened at the same time that you were actually doing this job?
Yes.
And you were in your early 20s?
Mm-hmm.
Very interesting.
Okay, so after you left the Air Force, just because people will be curious, what was your line of work after that?
Well, I went to work for government contractors.
This is kind of an interesting part of the story as well.
I went to work for EG&G Special Projects in their technical resources branch of their company.
And I am going to observe my security clearance about that work.
I'll just say where I worked.
I didn't work on anything remarkable.
I'll say that.
Nothing to be concerned about there.
It does kind of, in hindsight, raise my eyebrows a little bit that I worked for EG&G after the military, and then I worked for another rather conspicuous contractor, Science Applications International Corporation.
I also worked for them.
SAIC? SAIC. Okay.
Yeah.
Very interesting.
Let me ask you this.
When you were doing any of this work on the ranges, so to speak, did you ever see a UFO? Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting to in the beginning, because I didn't really remember too much.
I just kind of was living my life, and it was kind of a crazy young life.
You know, when you're young, you do crazy stuff.
Get married and have, you know, anyway.
So about 10 years after I got out of the military, it was like 1993-94, I was out of the military, I was divorced, I was single again, and I was talking to this friend about the UFOs, and he noticed that when I mentioned my military time that I kind of skated away from the topic really quickly.
And he thought, well, this is really weird.
She talks openly about so much stuff.
Why does she not tell me anything about her military time?
And so he sat me down one afternoon and he says, I want you to tell me about your military time from beginning to end.
I said, oh, no problem.
Yeah, I went to Lackland Air Force Base for boot camp six weeks, Kiesler Air Force Base for technical training school, and then I was stationed at Nallis Air Force Base and I worked at Tonopah.
And it was like, I don't remember anything about working at Tonopah.
I can tell you I work there.
I can't remember co-workers.
I can't remember the work site.
I can't remember anything.
No details whatsoever.
All I could do was say I worked at Tonopah and I knew that I worked there for three, three and a half, possibly four months.
And with this realization came a wave of nausea.
And I just felt really scared.
I was like, shit, I don't remember anything.
And this is weird because I have a really good working memory.
And I was really disturbed.
And I think it was either a year or within the year of discovering this three months of missing time, at least three months, that I ran into Bud Hopkins at the UFO, not the UFO, the Whole Life Expo in Las Vegas, Nevada in 1994.
And I went to his lecture and listened and at the end of it I raised my hand and I said, I have this strange dream from childhood and I have this three months of missing time from the military and a few other anomalous strange experiences and he said, talk to me afterwards.
So I did talk with him afterwards and explain some of these strange anomalies and he said, would you like me to do a hypnosis session with you this evening?
And I said, yes I would.
I really want some answers.
And so we did a hypnosis section.
I'm sorry, I'm going to stop you one more time, and I'm sorry for that.
Can you tell me, when were you doing this?
When were you realizing, like, I understand that the original experience happened in over 1980s, early 80s.
1980, yeah.
But when were you realizing this?
You had this discussion with your friend, and then you saw that happen.
I realized it in 1994.
Ninety-four.
And so it was ninety-four that you also got regressed?
Yes.
Okay, go ahead.
And so when I got regressed, Bud said, I want you to go to a time that seemed significant to you in January of 1980 when you were in the Air Force.
And immediately I found myself standing on the deck of the radar van Because radar vans are like the back of a semi, like the trailer, and then it's filled with electronic equipment.
And then there's a deck so that you can kind of climb up to it and down with stairs.
I was standing on the deck of the radar van.
It was night.
I was terrified.
And there were saucers in the sky.
There were like a lot of them.
You know, I would say at least nine, maybe more.
But my attention was riveted on the one that was closest.
Because I could hear sound coming from it and I could see it quite well.
I mean there wasn't a lot of detail on it.
I was seeing the bottom of it more than the top.
It was like a translucent metal skin on the bottom.
It had a circular feature in the center.
There was a sound coming from it like speakers at a rock concert when no music is coming through and they're just kind of sitting there humming and maybe there's a little crackle.
That's a very good description.
Yeah.
And I was looking at this thing and any wonder at seeing such a craft was completely blotted out by just how terrified I was feeling.
Were you with other people?
I was with two other people that had been running the radar with me that night, and we were given fatigues aware with no rank insignia, no name tags.
We were forbidden to speak to each other beyond what was necessary to run the test.
Was that customary?
No.
No, not at all.
They were really They had us very tightly under control, and there were guns involved.
I found out in a later hypnosis session, some years later when I went back and looked at this again, that I was hauled out of my motel room in the middle of the night at gunpoint.
So it's no wonder I was terrified out there.
And I only had a secret security clearance, and my question was, you know, because I was familiar with security classifications and the hierarchy of them, and I'm thinking, why on earth am I seeing something that has to be Incredibly highly classified and I only have a secret security clearance and that in itself terrified me.
Okay, and now when you said there are saucers in the sky, can you describe how many and the size of them and were they all identical in the way they were shaped and so on?
They all looked very similar.
I wouldn't say they were identical.
But they all looked very similar and again, I was terrified and I was really just looking at the one closest.
Were they all the same size?
That was hard to determine because they were varying distances.
Were they moving or were they hovering?
They were hovering.
All of them?
They were hovering and some of them were kind of, you know, tipping a little.
But they were hovering and there was a little motion.
I mean, the tipping and then maybe a little bit of this.
But they were mostly all hovering.
Okay, and they were in miles, I don't know, would you say sort of a valley?
Yeah, they were kind of in the valley.
I would say that they were covering an area Maybe 10, 12 miles square around the radar.
And just hovering?
Yes.
And size-wise, each saucer would be approximately?
Is there any way for you to...
I'm not really good with those kind of dimensions, but I would guess 30 to 50 feet in diameter.
That was just a guess.
Okay, so that's not massive, right?
No.
Okay.
No.
Okay, so go on with your story.
So I'm looking at these things.
I'm scared.
I'm not talking to the two people on either side of me.
There are some people talking inside the radar van discussing, I think, the results of the test, but I couldn't hear really what they were saying.
I could just hear voices.
A period of time went by, they came out of the radar van, and we were put, me and the other two people, were put on a bus, like an old school bus, painted Air Force blue, and the windows were painted over.
And they took us by the bus to what I think was Area 51.
People like to make that leap that it was Area 51, but I don't know because the windows were painted over.
I guess Area 51 How many miles were you from Area 51, to your knowledge, being in Tonopah?
If it was Area 51, it would have been quite a few miles.
Okay?
Hundred?
Fifty to seventy-five, maybe.
Okay.
Depending on, you know, the location of the radar site.
Did the appropriate amount of time pass, or did you seem to get there faster than was appropriate?
Well, when you're scared, time goes pretty slow.
So I'm not sure.
I'm not really sure.
I did hear something recently.
William Pollack was interviewed by Stephen Greer.
And they made an agreement that his interview would not be released with the Regular Disclosure Project, that it had to wait for release until after he had passed away.
Well, William Pollack passed away in the past year, and that interview is now up on YouTube with Stephen Greer.
William Pollack brought out the fact that there was an underground facility at Tonopah, on the Tonopah Range.
So it's possible that I could have been taken there, too.
But you were taken in a van at that point?
In a bus, yeah.
In an old school bus.
In a bus, okay.
And the other people were in the bus with you or not?
There were quite a few people in the bus with, I would say, 15 possibly.
It was really dark, so it was hard to tell, and we were being controlled.
So, you know, you just got on the bus and sat down and did something to make sure you didn't get shot.
And do you remember, did you know the people in the bus?
Were these co-workers?
I don't recall that I know them.
I probably did know some of them, but I was just doing exactly what I was told because my life was under threat as far as I could tell.
Okay.
So I was just sit there and look straight ahead and keep quiet.
And when we got to our destination, we were taken off the bus and we were taken to a medical facility.
We sat in a fairly large square room, and all of us were sat in these chairs.
There were lights coming in from a hallway behind where we were seated, kind of partially illuminating the room, but they kept the lights off in that room.
And then one by one, they came and got each one of us, or called our name, and then we went into a little room that was adjacent to the main waiting room.
When it was my turn to go in there, there was an armed security guard in there standing at parade rest, and I was told to lay down fully clothed on a stainless steel examining table.
So I did that.
Again, I had to wait, scared to death.
And finally a guy in a white lab coat came in, walked past the security guard at the foot of the table, up around the right side of the table, and he said, stay calm in a deadpan voice three times.
And when he got up beside the right side of my head, Kind of like in one smooth move.
He'd had a hypodermic needle kind of hidden in his hand in the sleeve of his lab coat.
Came up one smooth move and injected me in the right side of the neck.
And I immediately, my body just immediately went into trauma.
That was about the end of what I looked at in the session with Bud Hopkins.
But I did pick it up so I can continue with what happened because I did pick it up later in the other hypnosis session with Gloria Hawker in 2003.
Okay, so, but just for the benefit of being with Bud Hopkins, because everyone will know that name and certainly, what happened with him?
You revealed this much.
He clearly saw that there was more to come, I assume?
Yeah, he did.
It's just I was so tense and so, I was having such a difficult time under hypnosis.
I was having just an incredible headache came up with looking at this data.
And Bud kept giving me suggestions to try to make it go away, but it didn't really.
It would diminish and then it would just come back and forth, and the headache was just splitting.
And the headache lasted three days after the session.
And I have to wonder if that was programmed in.
Should she ever start, remember, make her have a headache, you know, or something?
I don't know.
Yeah.
So how did you part with Bud at that point?
We parted on really good terms.
I was very grateful to him for helping shed some light into this area.
And I had a hard time accepting it at first because it was so incredibly cruel and I just wasn't prepared for that.
I thought, how does this happen in the United States of America, land of the free and home of the brave?
And my whole idea of the country I lived in and had gone in the military to serve just started going up in smoke.
At that point.
So I started going to all the lectures I could attend, all the contactee groups and abductee groups, and anybody that had anything going on.
In Las Vegas there, fortunately, was quite a bit of that.
And I went everywhere I could, and I met a woman named Misha Johnston, who is really a good friend of Melinda Leslie, and I finally reconnected with her.
And she connected me with all kinds of people.
James Barclay, And some other people that had had similar experiences, she told me about Milabs because I had never heard of Milabs up until having the hypnosis.
I'd never heard of such things.
And so I was really disturbed.
So I kept going around checking out all this information and to my horror I found more corroborating data than not.
Uh-huh.
But at that point, you met with another person, a regression hypnosis person?
It took me years to get to the point where I could even go under hypnosis again and look at what else happened because it was really difficult.
It was like being handed a case of instant post-traumatic stress disorder.
Hmm.
To deal with it.
And there was one group, I have to mention this because it just made my blood run cold.
One group I went to in Las Vegas where we sat in a circle and everybody was sharing about their experiences.
And then it came to my experience and I didn't want to give any details of my experience because I was hoping to hear other details that might confirm my own.
And so I said, well, what happened to me is I was taken out in the middle of the desert to test radar on UFOs, and then I think they took me to Area 51 and did a mind wipe procedure on me.
And a guy across the room looked at me and he said, did they stick you in the side of the neck with a needle too?
And that was exactly what had happened.
And I was so terrified, I just wanted the group to end and get in my car and drive away.
Now I wish I'd talked to the man, but back then it was like more than I could handle.
It was just my blood ran cold, there was that grave, someone walking on your grave feeling, sinking in quicksand feeling.
Wow.
Okay, so now several years, how many years passed before you went into regression hypnosis again and got more of the story?
Yeah, nine years.
Nine years?
Nine years.
Oh my.
Because it was like chasing around, trying to chase shadows, you know.
I met a lot of experiencers.
Who are all trying to put their pieces together and make a coherent picture.
And I certainly sympathize with that.
But my life up to that point had been about spirituality and meditation and yoga and health food.
I didn't want to be obsessed with the UFO field and I could see it coming.
And I just thought, you know, this is crazy.
The ETs aren't talking and they have...
Major pieces.
And the government's not talking and they have major pieces.
And I just thought, the heck with it all.
I'm just going to go back to my meditation and I'm going to wait until Dan rather announces on the evening news that we have contact or, you know, this comes out somewhere.
You know, I just thought, I'm out of it.
I'm not going to let this rule my life.
But the essence of a spiritual path is to really know yourself.
I'm sure you know that from what I know of you on Project Camelot.
And so in my meditation practice and in my life, I keep bumping up against this little black box in the back of my mind where I tucked away all that stuff.
And then finally when...
When Bush became president, when the Supreme Court handed him the presidency and stopped the recount, I was really angry about that and more aggravated PTSD with what happened under the Bush administration.
I was sitting and meditating the morning after we knew he was going to be president and I was doing this and then my spirit guides, which I definitely have them, this voice just echoed in my head and they said, Bush is exactly the right man in the right place at the right time because he's president a lot of people are going to wake up.
And that they were absolutely right, that he was a catalyst for awakening.
A negative catalyst, is what we would call it.
And at that point, because he initiated the Patriot Act, and I was afraid he was going to try to undermine all of our constitutional rights and actually take them away, my PTSD got worse.
It got so much worse That I had to seek some kind of therapeutic help to deal with the PTSD. So I opened back up to looking at the experiences, but instead of chasing around trying to find answers, I went through a therapeutic process to try to heal the post-traumatic stress and deal with the emotional fallout of the experiences.
Once I began to calm that down a little bit, then I was ready to look more and find out more of what happened.
So at this point you did go in to see a regressionist?
Yeah, I saw Gloria Hawker, who has her own book.
She wrote Morning Glory, Diary of an Alien Abductee.
She was also associated with Bud Hopkins.
And I met her at the Aztec UFO Symposium in, I think, what was it, 2003.
And I liked her, and she seemed trustworthy, and so I wanted to have more work done with her.
Okay.
And so kind of picking up where I had the injection and went into shock, When I looked at the situation with her, That's when I found out I had been hauled out of the motel room that night at gunpoint, and that's explained the level of terror I felt in the session with Bud.
And then also, after the injection happened, suddenly there were two security guards on either side of me, and they were pulling me off the table, and we went out a different doorway than the one I had entered that little examining room.
And we went down a very, very long staircase, very long, and I assume underground.
Or further underground.
And at the bottom of the staircase there was a little room and I was tossed in that room and the door was shut after me.
It was like just bare walls with a light bulb up in one corner.
And I noticed briefly in my shock that I was going through, I noticed there was like a mirror that was like a one-way mirror.
A mirror on my side and a window on the other.
And I thought, they're going to watch me go through this.
And so I went through the effects of the injection and I don't know how to explain it.
It didn't seem to hurt.
I don't remember pain.
But I do remember feeling like I was going to dissolve at the molecular level.
And I was afraid of this feeling and so I laid on the floor and I just curled up in a ball and I screamed and I don't know how long.
I just know a certain amount of time passed and the effect of the injection seemed to subside and I was laying there exhausted on the floor and then the two security guards came in and took me out and there were eight people that had been watching sitting in chairs and both security guards sexually assaulted me while these eight people watched.
And I just left my body.
I didn't know what else to do.
There was nothing I could do.
There was a fraction of my attention on the guns in the room and I thought, if one of these so-and-sos drops their guard for one second and I get a hold of one of these guns, everybody in this room is going to have their brains splattered on the wall.
Because I was so angry about what was happening.
I was equal measure of rage and terror.
Okay.
But I didn't get that opportunity.
So I just, like, checked out.
You know, whatever happened, happened.
I checked out, you know, and just...
So how did it end?
How did you, you know...
Do you remember, or was that part of the recall at that point?
Do you remember going back up the stairs, for example?
I don't remember going back up the stairs.
I just remember the rapes happening.
Okay.
Then it seemed like we moved to a different scenario that happened during that similar time.
Okay, when you see a different scenario, did you...
Are you saying that, because I know that you mentioned something to me that something happened again at a later date, so this incident that we say you dragged out of your hotel room ended in this way, somehow we don't know, you know, you getting back on the bus and so and so forth.
You didn't kind of go over that, but how did you get to the next incident?
or when did the NX incident happen in your understanding?
It's hard to explain because when you're under hypnosis, you re-experience it.
Sure.
And so I was like in this recliner being hypnotically regressed.
So did she bring you out at all to calm you down?
She didn't really bring me out.
She just said, let's move on to something else.
And I have the transcript in my book.
And I apologize because this is really hard to even recall, even reading my transcripts and even listening.
You know, there's just something in my mind.
A woman under sexual assault, you just don't even want to think about it.
I understand.
Because it's traumatic.
And you were quite young.
You were like 24 or something?
25.
I was 25 when that happened.
Okay, but can we move to the next incident?
So what happened at that point?
Did you go back to work, to your knowledge?
Yeah, I did go back to work.
With no memory, assuming no memory, because it didn't surface.
Okay, now I remember what happened.
They took me out of that situation, and they took me back to my motel room.
But before they took me back to my motel room, they actually injected me with something to knock me out.
Okay.
So it wasn't the injection that they locked me in the room to watch, but it was another drug that they used to just knock me out, so that when I woke up, I would be in my motel room.
Okay.
And may have been something also to mess with my memory.
So there was another injection, and then I just woke up in my motel room, probably tired, wondering why I was tired, and then getting up to go to work again.
There were other things.
Probably the most remarkable thing was the memory of being on the moon for a week.
So can you explain how that might have happened?
Yeah.
Okay, when I worked at the Tonopah Electronic Warfare Range, I was stationed at Nellis, and then we would be put on a bus and taken up to Tonopah.
This is like a regular Greyhound sort of bus.
And it's a four-hour drive up there, and then we would be put up in hotels.
The Air Force had contracts with the hotels to put up the Air Force personnel.
So we would stay there one week, and then we'd be down in Vegas for a week, and then every other week we would be working up at Tonopah, and then there would be another crew on the other rotation.
And so that moon week I was up at Tonopah and they took me out of the motel room in the middle of the night and put me on one of the saucers with a couple other guys and took us there to the moon.
And the people at the Tonopah Range were told that I got sick and was put on a bus and sent back down to Vegas.
And the people at Las Vegas all thought that I was doing my work up at the site.
So nobody missed me for the whole week.
Okay.
Do you recall the flight in the saucer, let's say?
I recall some of it.
It was very hard to really get a sense of time.
For some reason, 30 minutes, 20 or 30 minutes stays in there.
But it was a very strange space to be in to try to assess how much time was passing.
And can you describe the inside of the saucer at all?
Yeah, it was circular.
There was a fairly large beam in the center, and around the center there were some chairs that I assumed were for important people.
I was with two people, men, and we were told to lay down kind of like cargo on the floor.
And so we laid down on the floor.
We were given a suit to wear that was silvery.
And when you put it on, you couldn't put it on.
You had to strip naked and put it on.
It would vacuum itself like onto your body.
So you put it on and it would just kind of vacuum pack itself onto you.
And there were silver boots and gloves and everything that went with it.
And so we put the stuff on and the craft was landed.
It had landing gear.
And there was a ladder that we had to climb to go in the underneath part.
And then some people came in and sat in the chairs, and I think the pilot, or at least somebody was there, there was like a reptilian on there.
And I think the reptilian may have been piloting the craft.
Can you describe him physically?
He was really tall, really muscular.
He had kind of the yellow eyes with slit pupils and he was standing behind the beam out of sight but he moved out from behind the beam and we could see him and it kind of took my breath away.
It was such a frightening thing to look at and I only saw him for like half a minute and then he moved back behind the beam.
Okay, was he humanoid?
Did he have a tail?
He was humanoid.
There was a tail.
Really?
Okay.
I think there was a tail, yeah.
It was just a scary thing.
Were there any greys?
I mean, you haven't really described any greys in any of this experience.
Actually, when the rapes were happening, there was a grey.
One of the people watching was a grey.
Was he in one of the eight chairs?
He was in one of the chairs, yes.
Was he a short gray or a tall gray?
He was a tall gray.
Can you describe him at all?
Pretty much the classic gray features.
He had a little bit of an aged appearance.
I would say, you know, kind of gaunt looking.
Big eyes, small eyes.
Definitely big eyes.
And because I'm an experiencer of gray abductions in childhood and through adulthood also, I might be sensitive to their telepathy because when I was going through those experiences it seemed like I heard him in my head and he was kind of thinking, why would these people do this to one of their own people?
You know, he was like kind of puzzled because obviously I was in distress and he thought this is a human being and these are human beings doing this to her and I think that he was puzzled by that.
Okay.
Well, since we kind of go back into the room with the people, the eight people, were they male or female?
They seemed all male.
Now, to fast forward to this going to the moon, so you go in the craft, you go to what you...
Why did you think it was the moon?
Did someone tell you it was the moon?
Yeah, they told us it was the moon.
There was one blonde security guard that seemed in charge of my debriefings, you know, which meant more sexual assault and injections and whatever.
What does that mean?
I mean, you just kind of put that all together.
Suddenly, you have a blonde security guard, meaning a tall blonde?
No.
Nothing like a Nordic.
Just a regular human?
No ET. It was a human.
A human?
Yeah.
A blonde human.
Like a sociopathic human.
Because he didn't seem to have any conscience about what he did to me at all.
A guy?
A guy.
Okay.
So was he an officer?
No, I don't think he was an officer.
I think he was a private contractor.
I don't think he was regular military.
Did he wear a uniform?
Yeah, he wore desert camouflage fatigues.
On the saucer?
No, he didn't go on the saucer.
He just brought me to the saucer and he smirked at me and said, I'll see you when you get back, sweetheart.
Have fun on the moon.
And then just told me to go up the ladder and lay on the floor.
Okay, so the person you laid on the floor with was another person who was being taken to the moon, and that was a guy?
Yeah, there were two guys.
Two guys.
Did you know them?
One of them, yes, I did appear to know, but I can't really say his name or anything.
But I mean, even now, do you remember who they are?
I remember the one because I recognized him.
He was one of the people that worked with me out there.
But I can't really go into anything more than that because he could be walking around without his memory back.
That has to be his choice.
If he has any rattles that he needs to explore, that has to be his choice.
So I have to leave him out of that.
Okay, so what happened when you went to the moon?
Did you see the moon?
You know, did you see the external?
I didn't see much of anything because I was laying on the floor and I couldn't really see a window.
I saw a little bit of a window.
I saw space out there with stars, but I didn't really see much until we got to the moon and disembarked.
And then what did you see?
Oddly enough, it's kind of, you know, like a military base, maybe not as sophisticated as bases on Earth, but the same ugly buildings, I thought.
Why do they put the same ugly buildings on there as they do on the ground?
So you saw some buildings?
Very utilitarian, yeah.
Okay, did you see, for example, well, saucers don't really need a runway, per se, but did you see runway-type places?
Yeah, there was, like, big landing areas, I would say that.
Okay.
We were taken off and then we were conducted to these buildings and my memory isn't all that great because I kind of moved forward in the hypnosis to other things.
I was worked very hard there.
There was a lot more sexual abuse.
What do you mean you worked hard?
What way were you worked?
It's one of the things I've learned about mind control procedures.
If you keep someone exhausted, you don't feed them well, don't allow them, and they're sleep deprived, it helps with what they're trying to do to keep you from remembering too much.
So I worked in some electronics equipment, not radar.
It was a different kind of electronics, but they thought that my radar skill would translate over to using this other equipment.
And it seemed like excavation equipment of some kind, but ultramodern.
And it used electromagnetism to excavate areas with big magnetic plates, electromagnetic plates.
And so they were actually still building parts of the base.
So the idea was that you were brought to the moon to do this work?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
And you worked there for a week?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And then there was a lot of just lifting and hauling, you know, like stacking boxes here and moving stuff here and just, you know, kind of manual labor type of stuff.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And just how many people were doing this kind of work?
There were several.
There weren't too many people doing it.
Didn't seem like there was crowds of people up there.
Quite a few, but...
But working with you?
Were you working with the two people that you came with?
They had me working by myself a lot.
They didn't really want me to work with other people because I might be tempted to talk to them.
So they kept me pretty isolated.
Okay, and do you remember the beings that were on the moon that were in this, working in this, that you were working around?
I saw only human beings.
Only human beings?
I saw only human beings.
Do you happen to know, were you on the dark side or the light side of the moon?
I would guess the dark side, but that's only a guess.
Okay.
And then at night, I wasn't allowed to sleep, and again, I was kind of passed around for more sex stuff.
Okay, so do you have memories of your reaction or did you ever misbehave or yell or try to get away or anything like that?
I was scared.
It was kind of like dream walking in a sense.
It was like, well, I know this stuff is going to happen.
I don't know what I can do about it.
I have a little girl to go back home to that I need to make sure that I'm okay so that I go back home to my daughter.
And so I was pretty compliant.
I just didn't want to do anything that would get me killed.
In the hypnosis where you're revisiting this experience, did you say you didn't dwell a long time on this?
No, we didn't dwell a long time on it.
Again, it was obviously really upsetting, and so we touched on the experience, and then Gloria moved me into some other area.
Okay, and since then, have you revisited it with any other regression people?
I looked at it from a very different perspective with Mary Rodwell last year.
And, um...
I'm sorry.
Sometimes it catches up with me.
Um...
I looked at it with Mary Rodwell last year from an entirely different perspective.
Do you want to share that now or do you want to move on to something else?
I can share that now because it really does fit.
Just briefly, I did the session with Mary Rodwell because...
As I've peeled away the layers and processed through this whole thing, I've kind of discovered that I may be like one of those wanderers that was born here to have specific experiences and to do certain things.
And it's not something I leaped at immediately, but as I've peeled the layers away, it's become kind of evident.
That something like that may be going on.
So when I looked with Mary Rodwell, among other things that happened, the guide that was with me in the Mary Rodwell regression said, we're going to return to the moon of the past because there's something you need to see there.
And I said, I don't really want to go near that place again.
And he said, we need to go and you need to see this.
It'll be okay.
So we went there and I saw an exchange that was happening between one of my superior officers and an extraterrestrial that was on the moon.
I saw very clearly that there are extraterrestrial bases on the other side of the moon as well.
Okay, when you say extraterrestrial, can you describe the kind of ET you're talking about?
It was a rather human-looking ET, but very tall and slender.
Would it be the typical Nordic or not?
I wouldn't say a typical Nordic, no.
More slender than that.
Oh, okay.
Ethereal looking, you know, but definitely having a physical form.
Okay.
And so I saw this exchange between the ET, this ET, and the superior officer, and the ET was saying to the superior officer, you have no idea who you have there.
Do you realize that everything you're doing to her gets reported back to her people?
You know, so...
It was just an interesting thing and it kind of goes along with this feeling of contact that I've had now for the past several years that just tugs at the edge of my consciousness and I try to go to sleep and tell myself I'm going to remember what happens when I'm asleep but I haven't been too successful at that.
I brought back one phrase one time and the phrase I woke up with was And then you will see a fully representational Earth.
Because I feel like I attend a kind of cosmic university out there.
And I learn things that I'll know at the right time down here.
But that was the only phrase I was ever able to bring back from those nighttime...
Okay, but when this superior officer...
Was this the one talking, the E.T. was talking or the superior officer was talking?
The E.T. was talking to the superior officer saying that.
To her people, but who did the E.T. mean by her people?
Well, if we can believe the session with Mary Rodwell, and I do, I'm part of a fifth dimensional extraterrestrial race that's monitoring what's going on on the planet.
So you might have allowed these things to happen to you so that you could report.
I've come to feel that I had a soul contract before being born in this lifetime, that I came here to have these experiences.
And it served multiple purposes.
It helped me to resolve some karma from other birth walks I've had.
And I took this particular one on kind of like An undercover person.
You know, my people are out there.
They're monitoring what's going on.
They're very benevolent people and they want the best for Earth and its people and its life forms.
And so they thought, you know, these people are really struggling down here.
We need to know what it's like from the inside.
So we would like you to go do this.
That way you can resolve your other karma and you can provide a service.
And one of the other things I remembered from the experience with Mary, Was that I astral travel to their ship at night when I'm asleep and I would say at least once a week and sometimes two or three times a week.
And I go into a chamber there that's like a glass tube and I'm in there in my astral form and they turn this chamber on and sound and light waves go through it and they pass through my astral body and then all the information of my experience goes into their database someplace.
And then they can actually plug into it and re-experience what I experience here.
And understand it.
Yeah, and then they have a better understanding of what it's like down here for us that are on the planet.
Okay.
So, yeah, so that was part of that.
Very interesting.
As I've moved through the process of healing from this the past...
You know, six or seven years and now I'm writing my book.
It's very clear about this extraterrestrial heritage, you know, before this lifetime.
It's really been quite a coherent thread through my life.
I didn't realize until I started writing the book just how strong a thread that is.
And so the awakening part of my journey, it's been like a shamanic process where I have I've gone through this dismemberment and kind of been smelted and then have put myself back together with more space between the pieces to handle a larger paradigm of reality.
And now there's all this insight and all this awakening And if there's one really important thing about my whole journey, it's been moving beyond the fear.
Because fear locks down our actual biology, it locks down our consciousness.
And as I have moved beyond the fear and stepped out to speak publicly and not let fear control me anymore, it's like my consciousness is lighting up like a Christmas tree.
And my psychic abilities are expanding exponentially all the time.
And I have learned, because of my meditation practice and my body-centered therapy techniques, how to really tune into the body.
It's like a sending-receiving antenna, among other things.
And so when the book is done, I really want to pass on This kind of sensitized learning so that other people can turn on their consciousness and move beyond fear, because I think with more humanity with an awakened consciousness, we can take control of this planet and make it the way we want it.
So that's my hope, is to really reach out to people and help them awaken, help them put fear behind them forever, not just plaster over it with positive affirmations, Root it out, see it, and just really be empowered.
That's what I want for everybody.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's lovely.
Thanks.
Miara, could you tell me just offhand, if you don't mind, if you know, what the beings that you feel that is your race of ETs, what they're like, what do they look like, are they humanoid?
Do you know?
When I saw them on the ship, it was like lights moving around with a suggestion of a humanoid form in them.
They were brilliant.
There was like white gold light everywhere, and there would be a golden light where they were moving around.
And when this commander, I don't know what else to call him, he's more like a father or an older brother, more than a commander, but commander, he was like in charge.
He moved towards me and he was like glided towards me.
It wasn't like walking.
He was gliding towards me and I could see his form and as he got close I could see a human face in where the face should be.
It was just the most incredibly loving Being I've ever seen.
He was just amazing.
I could feel how much he loved me.
Communicating with him, I would think a question, and before I even got the question finished, he had an answer.
It was a telepathic, tele-empathic kind of exchange.
That's very nice.
Okay, well, Niara, because we have limited time and you've been very gracious, I apologize for having you relive some of these experiences as you told them, because obviously they still come back to you, but it's clear that you are on a completely different plane in regard to all of this,
and I think that that facilitates you coming forward and bringing something more Some understanding, in a very, very large sense of that word, to the picture for people.
So I want to thank you very much from Project Camelot, and I want to thank you for your service to humanity.
Okay, thank you very much.
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