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12/15/2010 Wednesday - Kerry's very special guest tonight was Richard Dolan author of A.D. (After Disclosure) which takes on what life will be like after disclosure of the alien presense. http://www.keyholepublishing.com.

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	Hi, this is Carrie Cassidy broadcasting live on American Freedom Radio, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And, basically, we are going to be live as much as possible on Justin TV as well.
	So, anyway, I am waiting for my guest, Rich Dolan, who is absolutely a stellar scholar, I think you might call him, and he is considered the world's leading expert on UFOs, I think, and national science.
	Wonderful discussion.
	He is also an expert on secrecy and rule by secrecy, as you can imagine.
	So I'm looking forward to talking to him about that as well.
	And in the meanwhile, of course, everyone's aware of the WikiLeaks situation.
	I've got a number of articles on my blog and also under a new category on my website called Articles for those of you that would like to read what my latest points of view are and also...
	Get caught up on some of the stuff that's going on with Project Camelot in general.
	We're going to be having a conference with David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland, Bill Ryan, and myself on Sunday the 19th.
	That's this Sunday.
	It's going to be live on video.
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	We're also going to be able to stream it via audio for those of you that don't have great video connections.
	And let me see what else...
	Other than that, the whole case in regard to WikiLeaks is of special interest to Project Camelot as you might imagine simply because we are on the cutting edge and if they ever acknowledge that our information is true or even has the possibility of being true then our whistleblowing website would be sort of number one in the crosshairs and that's something to keep in mind.
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	Unfortunately, people like Joe Lieberman are making life very uncomfortable for people like us who consider free speech to be one of the rights as an American.
	And I will have a lot of fun talking to Rich Dolan about that and his take on what's really going on.
	We are really in the throes of disclosure, and that's not just disclosure about the ET presence.
	And I want people to realize that.
	What it is all about is disclosure on all levels of society and revealing the truth about the matrix on all the different aspects.
	And so that's absolutely something to keep in mind.
	You are the disclosure.
	You can make the disclosure happen by revealing the truth as much as you are able to, and if you are able to broadcast or do anything like that, Simply because, for example, Justin TV is just so easy and free, and you can broadcast all over the world and just talk to the world.
	So I encourage everyone to speak out at this time.
	This is a grassroots revolution, and we'll be right back with Rich Dolan.
	And this is Carrie from Project Camelot.
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	This is your capacity, Project Hamelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are on the air, I believe, with Rich Dolan.
	Rich, are you with me?
	I am, Carrie.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Nice to be on.
	Thanks for having me here.
	Well, you sound better than you did earlier.
	Oh, man.
	I had, for about four days, the worst sore throat.
	I just wasn't myself.
	And yesterday I was doing Lou Rawls, sometimes Barry White.
	And then I talked to you earlier today, and I was still kind of down there.
	In the last two hours, my voice has recovered mostly.
	It's still not quite there, but good enough.
	Okay, well, it's probably because you got to be on American Freedom Radio, and when I reminded you, you just kicked into gear.
	The radio babies are smiling on me.
	Absolutely.
	So you are the preeminent UFO researcher and really an expert on UFOs in the national security state.
	That's not just the title of your book.
	It's also something of your expertise, wouldn't you say?
	Well, thanks.
	It's something that I focus on.
	I've spent the last 15 plus years of my life really immersed in the issue of UFOs and UFOs.
	Really, all elements of that mystery, but certainly I've worked a lot with trying to understand it from a national security perspective and trying to look for evidence showing or proving that UFOs are kind of an important topic for the intelligence and military communities of the world, especially the U.S. Okay, that's something of an understatement, kind of an important topic.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I know that you've sort of learned the art of diplomacy on your long road to the top here, so I'll forgive you that, but I think we're in fairly dire straits in this regard, so I'm very interested to hear your take on the current situation, not only with disclosure, and I know you've written this other new book, which is After Disclosure.
	Right.
	And I'm happy to have you talk about that book as well and give your website for people that aren't familiar with your work.
	And maybe give yourself a brief introduction while we're at it because I think people will be interested.
	Yeah, that might be helpful.
	I've been working.
	I'm a historian by training.
	Long before I was interested in UFOs, I was applying the very conventional standard academic history study.
	I was working on a PhD in Cold War studies, primarily, although previous to that I did a lot of Soviet and German history as well.
	But I moved off into U.S. diplomacy, national security, international studies, and so on by the early 90s.
	And then I fell into the UFO topic.
	I became obsessed with it, not even interested.
	I would say obsessed is the right word.
	And the reason was simply that it occurred to me that there were There was good reason to think that there was a reality here to the UFO phenomenon, and reason to think that military and the intelligence community was interested in this.
	And from my point of view, I'd been studying this all along, and of course the UFO topic is absent in all official academic and scholarly work.
	And I had a very logical question, which was, well, if it's true, as it appears to be, That there are some pretty good documents showing that there is a lot of interest in UFOs back in the 40s and 50s and beyond.
	And the simple question is, why had I never read about it in any of the scholarly works that I had been studying?
	I mean, even if UFOs were a mistake, you would think that it would be of interest to academic historians.
	I mean, hell, how could that not be interesting?
	Go back to 1950, and if there's three four-star generals genuinely interested in UFOs, Well, God, I mean, what dimension of reality?
	Is that not interesting?
	So I just wanted to find out for myself, initially, it was just a personal question.
	Were these important big shots interested in UFOs or not?
	It turns out they were.
	Of course they were.
	And so then that just led me down the rabbit hole, and that was 15, 16 years ago, and I haven't left.
	So I ended up writing two volumes of history so far, volumes one and two of UFOs and the National Security State.
	And And that covers really the modern era from the early 40s and when it's done to the present day.
	And it's really my attempt to provide as scholarly a treatment of the UFO phenomenon as I can do.
	That means going through government documents and scholarly journals and professional journals, interviewing people and just doing the whole route to put together What I think is a responsible history, something that is a reliable guide to students interested in this topic.
	Right now, at the end of Volume 2, that's taken me up to 1991, the end of the Cold War.
	There's quite a lot there, and I was very happily working on Volume 3 when I started a series of conversations with a gentleman named Bryce Zabel.
	And Bryce, among many other things, is a TV producer, and one of the things he's best known for is that he created and produced the TV show Dark Skies back in the late 1990s.
	We had a series of conversations that ended up that we decided we were going to do a joint project, and this joint project was on something that was very close to my heart and his, and that was the idea of disclosure and trying to envision how the world might look In the event that the secrecy on the UFO topic were to end.
	Many of us who've studied this, of course, have envisioned a world in which the secrecy on UFOs is over.
	But once we started really going into this book, we realized there hadn't been an awful lot written about how that world might be.
	And so really what we try to do is write a book that That reads well.
	That's for the beginner and the experienced person alike.
	That describes, A, why disclosure is in fact inevitable, even though it seems impossible, and how the short-term and longer-term repercussions might turn out.
	And that turned out to be A.D. After Disclosure, and that's a brand new book.
	It came out at the end of October.
	And I have to say, it was an absolute joy to write this book, both in terms of the content and in terms of the My co-author, who is just a wonderful, utterly professional guy to deal with.
	And that's essentially what I do.
	I write lots of articles, as many as I'm able to, and speak at conferences and do my own private investigations pretty much all the time.
	Absolutely.
	And you were also, at least temporarily, I think a star on sci-fi.
	We all have our moment of fame.
	Well, I've got a couple of TV possibilities in the works now, but back in 2006, I was host of a brief series called Sci-Fi Investigates.
	It was right before UFO Hunters, and really, in my view, we were a kind of early version of UFO Hunters.
	We did some jaunts around the country.
	I did an episode where I studied voodoo.
	I did a voodoo dance holding a snake over my head at midnight with this wild voodoo priestess in New Orleans.
	I'm sorry I didn't catch that one.
	Well, yeah, it was one of my favorite moments, actually.
	I'll tell you, I got into it.
	I was ready to sign up for Voodoo at the end of my experience.
	I met some very cool people.
	We did an episode on life after death where I floated in a sensory deprivation tank attempting to have an out-of-body experience.
	That was pretty cool.
	I came close, I felt, but I didn't have quite enough time.
	One of the problems of TV investigations is that they have the money and the budget to do really cool things, but they frequently don't have the time allotment to really do things the way you'd want them to.
	No doubt about that.
	Yeah, well, it's just the way it is.
	But you were working with the ex, did you say he was the producer of Dark Skies, or was he the writer?
	Bryce Abel was the creator and producer of Dark Skies, and he also wrote a lot of the scripts, but it was his baby.
	Wow, that's like a classic.
	It was a great show.
	It ran for one full season, over 20 episodes.
	It was a full season on NBC. A bit of its time as well.
	I'm going to tell you, I've recently revisited that show, and it has aged extremely well.
	It doesn't seem dated when I look at it.
	Bryce did a great job.
	It was like X-Files, but historical, set in the 1960s, really, with the backdrop of the Kennedy assassination, and all through that film.
	He did, I think, an exceptional job of trying to portray the inside of the UFO cover, really trying to look at the group that we might call the Majestic Organization, or MJ-12.
	And so, you know, right off the bat, once I realized who he was, it was obvious to me that this is a guy who had a creative imagination, because you have to if you're going to write for TV, but he also had a real integrity.
	In the sense that he wanted to do this topic in a way that is true to the research as far as we know it.
	Excellent.
	Well, you know, I haven't read that book, but I would like to take a look at it and then write you my own critique.
	By all means.
	We have a long time relationship going way back where I used to write you very long emails in the early days.
	We had an outstanding correspondence.
	Yeah, a lot of fun and a lot of sort of different opinions about this and that and the other.
	So that would be kind of fun to kind of go back down that road.
	But in the meantime, what I would like to find out, though, is what you're thinking about the WikiLeaks situation and also about, well, obviously the state of the planet at the moment.
	Indeed.
	Well, WikiLeaks, I wrote my own article on this a little over a week ago.
	I've been very, very interested in following the plight of Julian Assange.
	In fact, Bryce and I wrote about WikiLeaks in A.D. after disclosure, and we were writing about this over the summer.
	One of the things that I am convinced...
	WikiLeaks has only been around since the end of 2006.
	And, you know, when you think about the...
	I don't think people are fully aware of the deep, profound impact...
	That WikiLeaks has had on contemporary journalism, and in terms of the amount of information that we have gotten, strictly speaking, only because of the leaks that have gone into WikiLeaks.
	It's unbelievable.
	Only in the last year has the American public really even known about this, because it's only in the last year that Assange and his people have really been focusing on U.S. leaks.
	But prior to that, There were...
	I just pulled out a list of some of the things right off the bat.
	A Somali assassination order that came right from the very top that they got out in 06, 07.
	Documents dealing with the corruption of Daniel Arapmoy of Kenya.
	Illegal banking activities concerning the Cayman Islands.
	Scientology...
	It came under their purview.
	They usually focus on government things, but they published a 600-plus page manual that Scientology says is very proprietary, dealing with the eight different operating Satan levels as a secret for the Church of Scientology.
	Memberships of the far-right British National Party, which had been secret for many years.
	It's illegal for a British police officer to be a member of that organization.
	A whole bunch of other things.
	Bilderberg Group meetings from a variety of years, from the 1950s and 60s, were also leaked to WikiLeaks and then published, and much, much more.
	In the last year, they released, I think a lot of people still remember, the infamous Baghdad airstrike video, which came out last spring, which was just brutal, depicting...
	You know, shootings by American soldiers on video of Iraqi civilians and two Reuters news staff.
	You know, it is probable that the soldiers, just listening to their conversation, did think that these might be enemy combatants.
	But what's really disturbing, of course, is the banter that you hear among these soldiers.
	I mean, it's just really...
	There's no other way to come away from this other than feeling disgusted that these are American soldiers just shooting innocent, totally innocent men, women, and children in this video.
	That was leaked to WikiLeaks, and they put it out in April.
	That caused a huge ruckus.
	Well, that's actually, I don't know if you saw that there's a WikiLeaks documentary that's out at the moment.
	I don't know if you've had a chance to look at that.
	It's linked on my blog in case you want to find it, and for the listeners as well, and I highly recommend it.
	It does go over a lot of what you're talking about, sort of the broad overview of WikiLeaks as an organization and the things that they have been responsible for, Absolutely.
	It's quite relevant to what you're doing.
	One of the things they found out, of course, is the fact that the U.S. intelligence community has been trying to destroy them.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, and there's a fascinating blowback going on as well, where they're trying to turn him into an ex-CIA agent and all this kind of nonsense, or a member of the Australian...
	You know, but if people don't go to his personal blog, not blog, well, it's kind of a blog, website.
	It's called, I think it's called iq.org.
	I have it on my website, on my blog linked there.
	But he has a number of articles that are so clearly an active, philosophical, revolutionary at work.
	Totally agree.
	Which is...
	Wonderful to see.
	And, you know, for someone who's in our position, who is doing something very similar only with Above Black projects, and as a matter of fact, we are going to be releasing an area of our website where people can anonymously contribute to the Above Black information.
	Whether they'll do so or not, I don't know.
	But we are going to make that available shortly.
	In the past, we basically, we do have some sources that we've never met, of course, and people can always submit what they want.
	But this is basically, you know, a trend and an opening to where, in theory, if people could submit anonymously, then it would be great.
	Now, of course, Bradley Manning is a fascinating story, the guy who leaked a lot of the stuff.
	Yeah, exactly, right.
	And I assume you've done a bit of research in regard to who he is because he was turned in by a fellow, well, by a hacker who he confided in.
	I guess you know that story, right?
	I know a little bit about that.
	I certainly know Bradley Manning was a private who leaked, who has alleged and probably, I guess, leaked a great deal of this information to WikiLeaks.
	And that he's certainly in custody right now.
	I'm sure his...
	You know, the military tribunal is going to make his fate sealed.
	We'll see how that turns out.
	But no, I actually don't know an awful lot of the backstory about him.
	Well, I mean, I wrote about it in my article on WikiLeaks and what's going on, simply because it turns out to be an interesting dynamic, what went on before the documents, before the video got to WikiLeaks itself.
	And this is where you have to sort of drill down and see where the powers that be might be messing with things.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are on the air with Rich Dolan.
	Rich, are you still with me?
	I am indeed, Carrie.
	Awesome.
	Okay.
	So, in terms of Bradley Manning and in terms of WikiLeaks, what did you say in your article?
	And, of course, people can go to your website and read that article.
	Well, I didn't have a lot to say on Bradley Manning.
	I spoke about the fact that Julian Assange mentioned, somewhat in passing, That there are documents within the State Department diplomatic cables that were recently released that he said refer to UFOs.
	And I found that of great interest.
	So I would say probably the main thrust of what I wrote a little over a week ago relates to discussion on what the significance of that might be.
	Anyone who wants to look at it, they can just go to my website, which is keyholepublishing.com.
	Just like looking through a keyhole, keyholepublishing.com, and there's an easy link to all of that.
	Yeah, I think it's significant.
	I mean, you know, there are a number of people who have said, well, that doesn't mean a hell of a lot.
	It could be that the UFO documents are of minimal value.
	But it could be that they're not of minimal value.
	One thing that we do know is that through the history of our own Freedom of Information Act in the United States and other comparable laws in various other countries, that there are references to UFOs in national security, intelligence, and diplomatic cables.
	It does happen.
	In the US, the cache of Freedom of Information Act documents that we have show this very clearly.
	Some of them are quite extraordinary.
	I mean, I wouldn't say that any of them that we have by themselves are proof that UFOs are extraterrestrial or alien or something like that, but they are proof that there's a phenomenon that demands an explanation and that is being taken seriously.
	There's no question.
	And so I feel that there's a very reasonable chance that some of the UFO references that I hope will be released via WikiLeaks will be of a similar quality.
	And I say this because, look, I've spoken, and I know you have spoken as well, to many government or inside people, and we both know for a fact that That at high levels, within the power structure, that the UFO ET phenomenon is taken very seriously.
	And so I would expect, within classified communications, that at a certain point we would bump into this as well in the document trail.
	It's important because in the U.S., the Freedom of Information Act has been very much weakened over the last decade significantly.
	In fact, during the late 1990s, under Clinton, someone, we really to this day don't know exactly how this process started, but someone in the National Archives in the United States, in College Park, Maryland, started reclassifying documents that had previously been declassified.
	So that the crazy thing is, if you had, as a researcher, gotten some declassified documents in the early or mid-90s, That by the end of that decade, even before George W. Bush became president, that it would have been illegal for you to take those documents out of your personal filing cabinet and publish them, because some of them would have been reclassified.
	It's crazy.
	Oh, that's very interesting.
	Yeah, but it did happen.
	And then, of course, that whole reclassification mania was given steroids under George W. Bush...
	And, you know, interestingly, under President Obama, one of the first things that he talked about was liberalizing FOIA, or freedom of information, but I have yet to see strong evidence that that, in fact, has been happening.
	So what we really have, you know, here we are in the age of Internet, the age of, in one sense, instant communication, instant information.
	But in fact, our best estimates tell us that more than 50% of all U.S. government documents are classified, which means that if you're doing research on the history of your own government, really one way to look at it is that more than half of your government's history is classified, really one way to look at it is that more than half Yeah.
	That's our situation.
	That's why WikiLeaks is so important.
	Absolutely.
	And I think that people are glossing over the detail and then coming to conclusions about the releases also of what WikiLeaks is releasing and then slanting it to make it appear that they have a vested interest in, for example, what kind of releases they're making and so on.
	Yeah, I hear this as well.
	And I think I agree with you that this is really not founded.
	It's an unfounded accusation, I think.
	Well, it's too early for them to be making some kind of statement like that.
	And the other thing is that how can they, I mean, when you look at the volumes of material, it's, you know, I mean, that's a huge job to cross-collate that.
	It will take years.
	Yeah.
	Years.
	The State Department cables alone, they estimate, are about 400,000 documents.
	Dear God, man.
	I mean, to go through that would take probably generations.
	I mean, for a proper archivist and historian and student to go through that?
	Well, and you're somebody who's used to dealing with, you know, documents and sort of government documents and things of that nature.
	So you yourself, in writing the books that you've written, with the intense detail and the footnotes and so on, I mean, you're familiar with how laborious that process is, right?
	It is, absolutely.
	Yes, I am.
	It's laborious.
	It can be tedious.
	It can be boring.
	It takes a lot of dedication and dedication.
	And it's going to take many, many people to go through these.
	This is something that's going to take teams of researchers a long time.
	And that's just the State Department.
	You've got the Afghanistan documents that were released.
	That's nearly 100,000 of those.
	Exactly.
	There's just huge, huge amounts.
	It's incredible.
	We are just at the very beginning of understanding everything that's in there.
	And from what I'm – I don't think most of these have been – I think like one or two percent, from what I'm understanding, of the recent State Department documents have really seen the light of day so far.
	There's just too much to go through.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I think it's going to be a very interesting story for someone who will take the time to actually add those things up and then turn them into a kind of a storyline in which people can then sort of extrapolate an overall series of themes, if you will.
	Clearly, that's what is needed.
	At this moment, and in fact, you'd probably be one of the people that are uniquely qualified, although I'm not sure you'd want to do it, to actually do that.
	I mean, it's a very unique...
	Job to do that kind of thing.
	And intelligence analyst, which is in essence what Bradley Manning was, which I think a lot of people don't realize or don't think about, he wasn't just a private in the Army, he was an intelligence analyst.
	And for people that want to know more about that job and also learn something in the process, there's a television show that has been canceled called Rubicon.
	Which I highly recommend.
	And Rich, if you haven't seen it, it's available on Project Free TV, where you can watch TV shows that have been cancelled and also ones that are current.
	And, I mean, that is so much about this kind of story in which an intelligence analyst is being framed and is basically discovering information that he then makes him want to go against the organization that he's employed by.
	Well, you know, I heard about the show.
	I didn't know it was canceled.
	Yeah.
	Very sad, I have to say, because it's awesome.
	I mean, I'm a huge fan.
	But all the episodes are available on, as I said, Project Free TV, and it's also linked on my blog.
	So...
	Given the situation that we're in at the moment, what are your thoughts in terms of, you know, because I know there was a whole big sort of rush in the early days of Obama's sort of administration to say that maybe he was the disclosure president.
	Never by me.
	Okay.
	I never had that opinion, ever.
	In fact, I was openly skeptical of that opinion.
	I've stated it many times.
	But yes, you're right.
	Lots of folks, our colleagues, people that you and I both know, made this statement.
	Some of them claimed to have inside knowledge that he was going to do it.
	Now, I was interested in Obama for that reason because of two things.
	Actually, three things.
	One was Hillary Clinton, one was Bill Richardson, and the other was John Podesta.
	In other words, these were three people who were close to Barack Obama in one way or another as he entered the White House All of whom have known connections with the UFO cover-up and UFO phenomenon.
	Podesta, for example, is a transition chief back in the days when he was chief of staff for Clinton, was openly sympathetic to UFOs and has made many public statements since then about the reality of this and the need to end secrecy.
	That's one thing.
	Bill Richardson, who initially was tapped for, I think, Secretary of the Interior...
	I had to back out.
	But Richardson wrote a forward to a book on Roswell.
	I've got it sitting on my shelf.
	And Richardson was lambasted by Chris Matthews on a TV interview, I think in 08, for his kind of pro-UFO attitude.
	I watched that.
	It was horrible to see Richardson get torn to pieces by savage Chris Matthews on this.
	But here was a guy who was interested.
	And then Hillary Clinton...
	Who has never ever spoken about UFOs, but we know for a fact met with Lawrence Rockefeller during the 1990s at a time when Rockefeller was communicating with the Clinton White House with the possibility of trying to get an ET UFO study at the White House level going.
	So she knows about this.
	So all of those things made one wonder, made me wonder, a little bit, if Barack Obama was...
	I was interested at all in this topic.
	But I never really thought that he would do it voluntarily.
	And it's been my position all these years that there will never be a voluntary disclosure of the UFO-slash-ET reality.
	Just never.
	The guys and gals who have this secret have way too much to lose as I see it.
	However, I do feel that disclosure nonetheless is inevitable Nonetheless, and the reason is because, you know what, the power people are not the only part of this equation.
	There are two other parts of this equation.
	One is these other beings, whoever, whatever they are, and then the other part of the equation is us.
	That is the people, our society, which is going through so much dramatic transformation over these past several generations, and we're just speeding up, not slowing down, It seems to me self-evident that we are moving technologically and maybe in terms of our own thought processes and consciousness to a point where in the next generation of humanity I think it will be very,
	very hard to deny the reality of a non-human intelligence interacting with us here on planet Earth.
	And sometime between now and then is going to be a disclosure because it's going to be forced.
	and when the powers that be allow a disclosure event to occur it will only be because they are attempting to maintain control over the spin of that truth and so disclosure is that I argue it's not going to be the end of the game that's the beginning of the new fight the battlefield will still be the domain of truth in a post yeah I have to agree with you there and I think that that's that's very astute
	Lots of people talk about disclosure as if it's a cliff that you get to and then you fall off of, and then, you know, after that it's all different.
	Exactly.
	I beg to differ.
	I actually, you know, I think that they've been spinning things for so long they can't help but keep their hand in no matter what happens.
	It's not like the CIA is just going to walk away, you know, fold up the table and leave once...
	I mean, they've had a 70-year vested interest in this topic, so they're not going to walk away.
	Well, actually, if you go by bloodlines, it's a lot further back than 70 years.
	We're talking about some controllers that are also, well, from my point of view, ET as well.
	So they have a vested interest in all sorts of things.
	We're going to go to break.
	We'll be right back with Rich Tillman.
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	Rich, this is a great conversation, I have to say, and it's lovely to be able to talk to you.
	I haven't talked to you in probably years.
	It's been too long.
	Definitely too long.
	We used to compare notes quite a bit, and I have to say that what's interesting about this conversation is, unlike the past, I have no idea how you're going to answer me when I ask you a question, simply because it's been so long and you could have changed your mind or have a whole different point of view.
	I do that.
	I do change my mind.
	Okay, so at any rate, what I'd like to find out also is where your mind is going nowadays in terms of, for example, what you might write your next book about, aside from Volume 3 of UFOs and the National Security State, which I assume you're going to work on.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Where is your mind going other than that?
	Well, that's a great question.
	I have a lot of different things that I'm thinking about.
	On one level, it's hard for me to see myself permanently leaving the field of UFO or slash ET research.
	It's just something that I enjoy focusing on.
	I don't really see myself leaving that.
	One thing that I'm actually going to be doing, in fact, I'm working on this now, even before I finish Volume 3 of my study, It's to revisit volume one of that study.
	And the only reason is that that book was something I finished almost a full ten years ago.
	It's a book that I still am very pleased with in many ways, but it's also a book where I see a lot of editing and revision opportunities.
	There's been a lot of research in the last ten years dealing with the early part of the UFO phenomenon.
	So what I think I'll probably want to do, I don't think this will take me that long, maybe six months or less, is to do a pretty good revision of Volume 1 and then be done with it forever, and then move on to the third volume of my history to take it to the present day.
	And by the way, most of the recent history that I'll be working on in Volume 3, I've got most of that already down and organized, so I think I should be able to write that efficiently.
	But I have a lot of other projects in mind that I want to do.
	Once those three volumes of history are done, I'll probably take them.
	It'll be 1,600, 1,700 pages, and I'd like to do a nice short, condensed volume of history of all of that, which I think many of my readers tell me, gee, Rich, I really love your books, but gosh, they're long.
	So I think I'll do a nice, short history of the whole thing in maybe 200 pages, 250 pages.
	I want to do a real treatment of the ancient UFO, ancient ET phenomenon and really take this back, sort of do a prequel to my study.
	I'm fascinated, to be honest with you, by the long history of what appears to be human interaction with these intelligences.
	Like you, Kerry, I feel that this goes back a very, very long way.
	I haven't had much of an opportunity to I'd like to try my hand at trying to grapple with it.
	Beyond that, I'm looking very, very much politically at the coming shape of our world, and I have a very strong feeling that I'll be doing writing, dealing with the underbelly of the power structure as it continues to evolve on planet Earth.
	Well, when you talk about that, have you ever, I mean, are you going down the road of the Anunnaki, and are you familiar, I assume you are, with Sitchin's work?
	Oh, yes, absolutely.
	I intended to do a treatment of that.
	You know, the thing about looking at the ancient UFO connection, or the ancient ET connection, of course, is that Sitchin is one node to look at, but he's certainly not the only one.
	Here I live in the city of Rochester, New York, and I'm very good friends with a lady who's a retired professor who's done her own study on central Eurasian myths going back, you know, at least as early as Sitchin, and has come to a very similar type of conclusion about the sky gods of that region.
	And in other words, there are other scholars who've done Who have done work on the ancient ET connections.
	And I'm very interested in exploring that.
	So what I'd like to do is to do a fairly comprehensive, hopefully responsible treatment of that.
	And to put together maybe the sum total of current research in that field as it is when I do it.
	So that people have, again, what I think would be a reliable and An interesting and engaging guide to the issues of ancient E.T. interaction with humanity.
	Well, that's good to hear.
	I'm very excited to hear that because, of course, Sitchin has his detractors out there, and they are actually many.
	And we have been contacted as well by someone who is in Malta.
	And has done some investigations there, and apparently Malta is a real hotbed for early, actually having been possibly part of Atlantis, and having still evidence of that there.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, and in case you want more on that note, I can always connect you with my connections there.
	And then there's, I don't know if you know Graham Hancock.
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, and I interviewed him recently, and he's a fascinating man.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And he has done tremendous work in some of this area.
	Well, Graham's book, you know, back in the 90s, Fingerprints of the Gods, was something that really turned my head around.
	It was one of those seminal books in my own life.
	I remember reading it thinking, wow.
	Wow.
	That book opened up new vistas in my own thinking, I must say.
	And although I haven't followed up professionally in terms of writing about the ancient mysteries, I'm certainly quite interested in that.
	Yeah, well, absolutely.
	And so am I. I'm still learning and still reading his work.
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	At any rate, Rich, are you there?
	I am indeed, Carrie.
	And by the way, I'm a Tina Turner fan also.
	Cool.
	I was just perusing your article on WikiLeaks during the break here, and I noticed that you highlight this book called Blank Spots on the Map.
	Yeah, I did.
	That's a book by Trevor Paglin.
	Yeah, and actually it looks fascinating.
	Did you happen to read it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I have a copy of it.
	Awesome.
	And what did you think of it?
	Well, look, it's a good book.
	Yeah.
	All of these books by mainstream people are going to have their limits.
	And, you know, that book is no exception.
	But one thing that he did that I think was useful was simply, you know, his field was geology, geography, excuse me.
	And he, it was funny, he was surprised when he discovered that there were actually parts of Of the world that were off-limits to scholars in terms of, you know, seeing what's there.
	I found myself smiling in amusement that he came to this realization that there is all this secrecy.
	But to his credit, he, you know, looked into a lot of it.
	And really, I think what he tried to do is just to point out that there is a great deal of geography on this planet that is totally off-limits Not just to the ordinary public, but to scholars as well.
	Yes.
	So it's quite useful in that regard.
	And it's a mainstream work, so you have to keep in mind that he's not playing the conspiracy circuit here.
	He's not going that direction.
	But nonetheless, the study was of very good value.
	Okay.
	Well, nice to know, anyway, about his work.
	It may be useful down the road.
	Mm-hmm.
	At any rate, I'm wondering what you feel about what is going on in terms of the...
	You know, you've been talking about the national security state now for quite some time, and you've been analyzing it from various aspects, and you've written several very important articles in that regard about secrecy and the role of secrecy and how we've had years and years piled upon years of secrecy and that's actually what Julian Assange is also talking about.
	That's exactly right.
	Absolutely.
	He's talking about an over that we're actually sort of straining under the weight of years of secrecy and at this point It's absolutely a desperate situation.
	The imbalance is so great between so-called consensus reality and what the black projects and people that live in that world are a party to.
	That's right.
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	Hey, this is your happy meeting, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are on the air with Rich Dolan, and we have been really interrupted right in midstream of, Rich, we were talking about the incredible weight of secrecy and how incredible the imbalance is that is pressing on upon us, and actually even more so on the powers that be at this time.
	Well, that's right, Carrie, and I have...
	You know, amidst all the darkness that we are living in regarding that, I really do believe that there is hope here.
	And I'm not thinking that this is blind optimism either.
	I think that there's real reason to think that the future can improve.
	And here's why I think so.
	I spoke earlier in our chat about the dramatic changes in our society.
	Really driven by technology.
	It's easy for us to forget that, look, something as basic and fundamental to the world as the Internet has really only been with us for about 20 years, really one human generation, essentially.
	And even that, the Internet really didn't take its current form, I would say, until really the last decade, when everything sort of fell into place and we ended up with the Web as we know it.
	We've had...
	We've had smartphones for about five years.
	We've had YouTube for about five years.
	We've had Facebook for, you know, with MySpace, like three, four, five years.
	All of these modes have revolutionized the way that we talk to each other as a world.
	And we can't assume that the world is going to stop in a 2010 holding pattern for the rest of our lives.
	So obviously, there's going to be a 2015 and a 2020 and a 2030.
	And we really want to ask ourselves, what technologies are going to be on the table that we have that will allow us as a society to communicate?
	There's going to be, on the other side, the power holders, of course.
	But the problem is that the technology that we're developing is so fluid that it's difficult for even the elite always to predict how the great unwashed, that is us, are going to be able to use technology You know, continuing developments in technology.
	So one of the things that I see is in terms of computing intelligence.
	People who think that the UFO topic is a little strange ought to look into the field of artificial intelligence.
	Very mainstream compared with what we do.
	And the AI experts almost as a rule agree that computers will meet and then exceed human intelligence within technology.
	20 to 40 years.
	In fact, one of the top guys at Intel just recently made BBC News by saying that this is going to happen.
	So, in other words, our own world is radically changing.
	We are changing.
	It just seems to me that there are going to be a lot of weapons that ordinary people have, such as WikiLeaks.
	WikiLeaks wouldn't have been possible a decade ago.
	But now here it is.
	So there are weapons that both sides of this war are going to be developing in the next generation of humanity.
	I would not count out the side of truth, not for an instant.
	I think that we've got capabilities on our side as well.
	Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.
	You know, what I say is we've got massive freedom at one end and massive surveillance on the other, and that's the Internet.
	And the surveillance society is, you know, obviously extremely worrying, and the surveillance is pervasive.
	And so what you have is this human organism that inhabits this entire planet, if you want to take everyone.
	And we are communicating on a variety of different levels with ourselves, okay?
	And we also exist simultaneously on a number of different levels, multiple realities, and I know that you sort of subscribe to that concept that we are more than just our physical bodies, and there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
	I do, right?
	Okay.
	consensus reality will acknowledge.
	So with that in mind, what you have is this incredible playing field in which we're not the only ones that are changing and morphing and becoming more...
	Even in this reality, I have to say that the dark side is doing the same thing.
	And I, at least Project Camelot, our sort of fervent hope is always looking for defectors.
	And I think that defectors are more prevalent now than ever before, even though they may not particularly feel safe enough to come forward.
	Yeah, that's my assessment as well.
	I think that there are always...
	Look, in any ruling elite, whether you go back 2,000 years or today...
	2,000 years ago, you had Caesar and Pompey.
	They didn't agree on things either.
	Even philosophically, there was Cicero, who was very much on the other side of the fence ideologically.
	No ruling elites agree.
	Never have.
	They never will.
	In our own society today, there are many insiders who are disaffected.
	And the problem is, if you are such a person, how do you get the word out to the rest of the world without endangering yourself and your family?
	And that is always the key.
	The good news for us is that, again, we're in a world that is changing so dramatically that actually it's becoming easier for these people in some way or another to get their message out anonymously through a variety of sites, cancels.
	Camelot is one obvious site that has been the case for a number of years now.
	Wikileaks is another.
	And indeed, there are many other researchers out there who are in their own way getting inside information and trying to relay that.
	The big problem that we have, of course, is being able to confirm these types of sources, and that's not always easy to do.
	That's just the name of the game.
	All we can do is our best.
	But the fact is, I agree with you that this is increasing, not decreasing, that there are more and more defectors from that world, and I think we're going to continue to see that trend.
	Along those lines, I'm curious, have you yourself...
	I mean, I know you're talking to insiders all the time.
	Are there...
	Any tidbits of information that you've come across lately that you find particularly exciting or that are new ways of looking at this whole game that have sort of turned your head?
	Yes.
	The answer to that is a definite yes.
	I have a different mandate than Camelot does.
	It doesn't mean that I can't reveal everything I know, but I've...
	Always try to be very cautious about publicizing things that I know.
	But I will say this.
	I have had sources that have given me reason to believe that there is a wild, wild underbelly to this world that we live in, insofar as very likely the existence of multiple types of non-human groups interacting with us right now.
	The fact that the human...
	Secret keepers, let's call them the majestic group, is scrambling to try to deal with that as best they can, and sometimes they succeed and sometimes they fail.
	That they are, as many people suspect, not under formal government control in any way.
	They're run by private money internationally, but that are quasi-public.
	Because they have their hooks into governments as well.
	That also, that dimensions and time manipulation are a big part of this reality that they inhabit.
	I think they're scared.
	I think that, honestly, that the people who we would call the majestic group or the black ops group, I think some of them are running scared from what may be the reality that they're dealing with.
	Okay, but let's back up just a tiny bit here because you said something very intriguing, which is about time travel?
	Yeah.
	Manipulating time as being a big part of this scenario that we're involved in.
	And actually, I agree with you.
	Our evidence would point in that direction.
	I don't know if you get the information about the segment of the Nazis that went down to Antarctica that do inhabit a base down there, that are involved in manipulating the timelines.
	That didn't come from any of my sources specifically, although I'm quite familiar with the Robert Byrd saga, and I think that there's something to look at there.
	Okay, well, the source on that is not Robert Byrd for us.
	Oh, well, no.
	I mean, he's been dead for years.
	I'm just...
	Yeah, yeah, I know that.
	But, I mean, in terms of this is more up-to-date information that we have.
	But the reason I'm bringing that up also is because what is said, I mean, you know, Sorcafall is...
	is obviously often the source of disinfo, but they are saying over there on that site that there is some of the UFOs are being shot down that are coming from Antarctica at this time.
	But the cables, WikiLeaks, are supposedly going to be releasing some information in that regard.
	Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but it's one of the few times when you can actually check out Sorcafall and find out if If this person is going to be right on or...
	Oh, that's interesting, yeah.
	So either the cables will be released and we'll have that information or they won't.
	Right.
	Yeah, it just happens to be running around the Internet lately and it is an interesting aspect because you did mention time travel.
	So for yourself...
	Well, let me not say time travel so much as time manipulation and it's not clear to me.
	Based on what was communicated to me, let's just put it this way, that time travel has been mastered necessarily by the black ops world that deals with this, but that, I will say, it does seem to me that time manipulation is somehow important to all of us.
	Whether that means they can travel through time or just see, you know, whether it's just remote viewing, for example, through time, that might be...
	An equally important part of what they're trying to learn how to do.
	But yes, it has been made clear to me that time is very important and that dimensions are important.
	Dimensions of reality are important.
	This is a very big concern of the black ops world is trying to master that to the maximum extent possible.
	So that they can, let's say, deal with these other entities of something more like equal terms.
	Okay, but let me say that you also are, I think it's fair to say, good friends with Laura Knight-Shedzik.
	Isn't that correct?
	Well, I think I'm on the outs with that whole group now, so it's hard for me to say.
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	You know, look, there's a lot of very good people there.
	The fact is, I gave, in my newest book, A.D., and I gave a lecture on this, a couple of folks associated with Signs of the Times, which is her website, were there.
	And I think I came under some criticism because I did not refer in any explicit way to the so-called fourth-density reptilian I've always been on the fence as to if that's exactly
	Exactly how it pans out or not.
	I'm interested.
	And so I think for that reason, I was seen as, I took a lot of hits on one of their blogs.
	I was seen as not really quite right there, that I was sort of straying off the path.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	Well, at any rate, the reason I brought that up is simply because she's dealing a lot with the notion of time manipulation and certainly is aware of it.
	And I guess you know that I interviewed her.
	I don't know if you ever saw that interview, but I spent, you know, some time at her villa.
	Right.
	And with a friend, and she's a fascinating individual.
	I absolutely agree.
	She's a brilliant lady.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And some of her ideas, I think, are yet to be proven true, but I think that they will be certain things, such as the meteors that will probably, the showers that will ultimately be I think it is something that she says of value.
	But to get back to the whole idea of what you're hearing from secret sources, is there anything else that you would want to share here?
	And let me say here that we're going to go to break at the end of the half hour, and then we'll have one half hour left, and we will take questions from the audience, so I encourage anyone listening to call in.
	There are other things, yeah.
	I have to be careful, Carrie, about how far into this I go, because look, I'm not really...
	Even what I've just said, I don't have that confirmed.
	And one of the great problems that I have with some of the alternative fields that we inhabit is that talk is so cheap and it's so easy for people just to repeat something that they heard somewhere else, and then the next thing you know it becomes passed around as fact.
	When, in fact, it isn't anything of the sort.
	Yes, I have received, I guess, a clandestine communication, several to this effect.
	Yeah, there are other things that I've been told, and I don't know if they're true or not, but let me just say that, like Bilderberg group meetings, I think these are important.
	There are different entities that interact with With humanity in various ways, and I think that this is going to be a big, big part.
	Eventually we're going to learn this in a post-disclosure world, that humanity is of great interest right now to many, many intelligences that have the ability to observe us.
	I think that we're quite interesting to them, and especially right now at this point in our history.
	Yes, no doubt about it.
	Well, I don't, you know, there are, what about the ships that are close to the sun?
	Are you hearing about that?
	Are you seeing the videos on, you know, on...
	The videos I've seen are, I mean, they're fascinating to me.
	I have not had any inside sources talking to me about any of that at all.
	So...
	Yeah, you don't have any information, really timely information about that.
	I do not, no, no, I don't.
	I've seen the videos like a lot of people have, and I must say I'm very intrigued by these.
	Absolutely.
	Well, the fact that there are crafts, and that some of them are, they say, even the size of planets is really huge.
	It's just unbelievable.
	Okay, well, as far as your last book and your view of History and how you've written it.
	Do you feel that there's any particular area in which you sort of got involved in investigating and had one point of view and then you completely switched your point of view in the process?
	That's a great question.
	There are a couple of areas where I really developed new ideas based, you know, just where I may not have had a strong opinion one way or the other before that.
	One of the things where I actually kind of evolved a different point of view would be in one of the final chapters of A.D., which deals with politics.
	Okay, I'd love to hear about that when we get back from the break.
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	Hi, this is Dr. Steve, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Rich Dolan, the author of UFOs in the National Security State, Volumes 1 and 2.
	And, Rich, what I'd like to do here on the last half hour is go to questions, but I want to resume where we were right before we went to the break there, because you were answering my last question.
	I'd like to hear that.
	Well, right.
	In doing AD, after disclosure, with the intrepid Bryce Zabel, I came to some I guess some surprising conclusions about what I think we really need to do.
	And one is in terms of the politics of a post-disclosure world.
	I mean, you know, one of the things...
	We all talk about globalization and kind of global government and generally in a deeply critical way, which we should be because the way this is turning out is certainly not a good thing.
	But what I really...
	What I discovered, at least in writing this, is that globalization is not something that may or may not happen.
	It's happening.
	And the only question is, how is it going to look when it's done?
	You know, for the last 500 years, the human species has been coming inextricably closer and closer, more intertwined with itself into a global system.
	It's unavoidable when you look at our technology to think that we can just move into a world back to Thomas Jefferson's times where we're all independent farmers, sovereign in our own little private Idaho.
	That just can't be the case.
	That's not the world, and it can't be our world.
	And so the question is, how do we move in a post-disclosure world, or not in our future, to a situation where we have freedom, but also a kind of an ability to manage these international, transnational but also a kind of an ability to manage these international, transnational corporations, which individually, most of them are larger than
	And so, in other words, what we lack in our world today, as I see it, is a political counterweight to the power exercised By the major global corporations, which essentially run around like the dog that pees on everyone's tree, and there's nothing to control them.
	So one of the insights that I came to, and this is just my own judgment here, in writing AD, is that when there is going to be a forced announcement on the reality of another intelligence here, and it's going to involve so many debates and arguments, Because we may not get to the point where we know who these other beings are.
	We may only be able to determine that they're here, and there's going to be a whole bunch of arguments as to are they wearing white hats or black hats or what they are.
	But one thing we'll have to do, with two things we're going to have to do, is one, decide as a globe, as a species, how we're going to deal with this challenge, and that's going to have to be on a global basis, not a national basis.
	And then the other thing that we're going to probably do is We need to come to a way of deciding how we will transition away from a fossil fuel-based energy paradigm to something...
	Well, whatever these other objects are using to get around, it's not petroleum.
	And so, very soon after disclosure, we're going to figure that out.
	Whether it's controlled nuclear fusion or zero-point energy or something more exotic, whatever it is, I guarantee you, Carrie, we're going to learn it fast.
	And to make that transition...
	In an uncontrolled way is not going to be a good thing for us.
	We're going to need to be coordinated about it.
	So what I'm saying is disclosure is going to accelerate the need for humanity to act in a coordinated way.
	And that means global governance.
	That does not have to mean fascism.
	This is the key thing.
	The globalization we're moving toward today is one in which you've got a select number of corporations and wealthy elite corporations.
	Who own everything.
	And that may be inevitable, but I'm not throwing in this towel.
	In our own nation's history, in the United States, we have an example of a fight against this.
	And really go back one century to the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt.
	Everyone's forgotten Teddy Roosevelt.
	But one thing that happened with him is he was the first U.S. president.
	To try, in some way, to take on the power of major corporate power in America.
	From the assassination of Abraham Lincoln 35 years earlier to the presidency of Roosevelt, in between that, the U.S. president was nothing more than the tool of major business, as was U.S. Congress.
	And it was in the 20th century that there were attempts made to create a political structure That would regulate and to some extent control these major corporations that were basically running around completely out of control.
	Now that attempt did not end up in success in any major way, but there were successes.
	And what I'm saying is that on a global scale, we are at the same point today, where we've got international corporations that There is not a nation on earth that has the ability individually to manage the power of these transnational corporations.
	But globally, there is a potential that we can organize to manage this process so that there is some responsiveness to the people of this world.
	And I think we need to move toward that.
	It's necessary.
	It's logical.
	And I do believe this is a surprise to me in writing A.D. I wasn't expecting this conclusion going in.
	I'm very deeply sympathetic to policies and principles of many of the libertarians that are very vocal today, including Ron Paul and many others.
	But I also feel that what is necessary is that at the highest level of our political power structure, there has got to be the recognition that it...
	That that power must be responsive and must be an advocate for the needs of the people against that of corporate, centralized, financial power.
	Whether that can happen or not is another issue.
	But it does seem to me that if we're going to move into a world that's actually going to be just and to have some freedom, you know, freedom that is sufficient for the masses of humanity, that that's something that we need to have.
	And I think that disclosure will accelerate that need.
	That's very interesting that you're coming from that point of view.
	I think that very few people really consider that at this time.
	Right, they do.
	That's why I was surprised when I came to that conclusion.
	So many people are obsessed with the notion of the destruction of the current paradigm.
	And going back to the land and these small communities.
	And actually, I do think that there will be a continued move in that direction.
	But what I always ponder is the idea that if you're going to lose the sense of a global consciousness that we have just gained, really, through the Internet, that we would be losing something that would be, to me...
	Of greater value, certainly as a media person, a person who wants to communicate globally to all kinds of people.
	I agree with you.
	It's also a fantasy to think that it can happen.
	It's an absolute fantasy to think that we're somehow going to go back to this agrarian, pre-industrial society.
	Well, the only thing that would promote that, in essence, would be global climate change and or catastrophic occurrences.
	Things that some of our whistleblowers are saying could be in the cards, although some of it appears to have been mitigated.
	Well, one thing I tried to do in AD, it was a really important element of my book, actually, is that I wanted to try to find a way...
	To see where there might be light at the end of this tunnel, and to see how a better world really might come about, not through collapse.
	Because I don't want to see collapse of the global infrastructure.
	I see it as clearly as anyone else that it's a possibility, but hell, I don't want it.
	I think that with intelligent and wise and publicly spirited decisions, that it can be avoided.
	And one of the goals in writing this book is, if I were to sit I would like to see it happen.
	Well, you know, that's a great sentiment.
	The only thing is, I think that we have a lot of obstacles, obviously, in the way of all that.
	I'm an idealist.
	I'm not a utopian.
	So I will freely admit that what I think is an ideal, and I wanted to put that out as an example.
	I'm certainly not foolish enough to think that this is likely, although I think it's possible.
	So I think that a positive outcome is possible.
	And what I'm trying to do in my own small way is simply to show how I think it might be possible.
	That's it.
	Well, yeah, and I think that's very valid.
	And I assume that you and your co-writer kind of worked on that together to some degree.
	I don't know how you wrote the book.
	We wrote this book almost exactly 50-50.
	I think, really, we're both in throughout the There were certain elements of the book that were more My Little Baby and certain elements that were Bryce's.
	And then once we would write a certain section, the other person inevitably would be able to contribute and have something to say about it.
	And so in the section that I was just discussing with you, the future exo-politics, that part that I would discuss with you is really mostly my own thoughts, although I know Bryce I'm sure agrees with that.
	He wrote a lot of that chapter as well, but I think what I'm describing to you are my own particular thoughts.
	Okay, let me ask you, Rich, whether or not you have been sort of pressured over the last year or two.
	I wonder if you feel more or less pressured by the sort of national security state apparatus.
	Has that interfered in your life in any marked way?
	That's a great question, and it's hard for me to answer definitively.
	I've had Total confirmation that I've been monitored.
	I know this.
	Now, whether that's been in a negative way, I don't know for sure.
	I will tell you this.
	In the month before I completed Volume 2 of UFOs in the National Security State, that was in the summer of 2009, both of my computers crashed one day apart.
	One day apart from each other.
	And they both died in almost exactly the same way.
	So my notebook and my PC both went kablammo.
	Thank goodness for me, I had my book backed up on multiple external drives and flash drives.
	Oh, great.
	Had I not done that, I would have lost five years of my life right there.
	Wow.
	Now, was that an attack?
	Look, I don't think that that was a coincidence, but I can't prove that it was an attack.
	So that could have been a really devastating blow to me.
	Fortunately, it wasn't.
	I've certainly had incidents where...
	In my life that I've felt I've been watched.
	But I must say no one has ever threatened me.
	I've never received an overt or even veiled threat to me or anyone close to me.
	So on that level I would say no.
	There was a period in the early Bush years where I was regularly stopped at airports.
	I was always allowed to fly, but I was stopped.
	My name was flagged.
	And I would have to wait 15 minutes, usually, until someone cleared my name and I would be allowed to fly.
	That was a real annoyance, but that never stopped me from flying.
	I think that was after I came out on 9-11, actually.
	I think that's what got me into trouble, more than the UFO stuff.
	Okay, and along those lines, just curious, I mean, I have so many questions I could go on all night here.
	We could, yeah.
	And because it's been a while, I could just never stop asking these questions.
	And I appreciate your patience with answering each and every one of them, which you are doing.
	What I'd like to know is, are you aware of Dmitry Kalasov, the 9-11 researcher, and his work, and also the recent, well, I have a recent release of a document, an interview by Daniel Estelin that was with Dmitry Kalasov regarding this individual called Victor Boot.
	I'm very familiar with the work of Daniel Estelin, who I'm a very big fan of him.
	I've got his book on the Bilderberg.
	I've seen many of his videos on YouTube.
	Dmitry Kalisov, I'm not familiar with him.
	And let me just say this.
	Regarding 9-11, I would not consider myself any longer to be fully up to date on all of the debates that are going on with that.
	I'm satisfied to myself that this was, to put it bluntly, an inside job of one sort or another.
	I'm convinced that the truth officially has not been revealed.
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	Okay, this is Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are on the air with Rich Dolan.
	We have just ten minutes left in the show.
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	Rich, are you there?
	I am indeed, Carrie.
	Okay, well, you know, I have a bunch of questions and I noticed that we don't seem to have any callers if I have this correct.
	I don't know if I'm sort of blowing it in terms of, I think I was maybe supposed to give out the phone number, but I think it's on the website.
	American Freedom Radio.
	I do two radio shows.
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	So I have sort of this laissez-faire attitude.
	But hopefully people will find the number and call in if they would like to ask you anything.
	I have to say I have a couple last questions.
	minute things to ask you and then there is somebody asking if you if you're aware of the lightworkers organization the galactic federation of light and what do you think of them that's a person in the chat on justin.tv asking this um i am familiar with it uh i have a number of friends i guess who are actively involved in that and um I guess what I would say is
	that these are good people doing good work.
	The thing about putting out positive energy is that I believe in that.
	I believe that we are energetic beings.
	I believe that what we create in ourselves has an effect on the world beyond us.
	The only caution that I offer with I've never been of the opinion that what we do will absolutely manifest what we want every single time.
	There's a tendency among some of this group, not this group specifically, but among people who call themselves lightworkers, to kind of ignore Some of the darker elements of the world around us, maybe with the idea that they don't want that in their consciousness.
	And so, you know, I guess...
	I think what you and I would both agree is that that might be a fairly irresponsible approach to evil.
	Right.
	You can't ignore it by pretending it's not there.
	It doesn't go away simply because you don't allow it into your consciousness.
	The fear that certain people have, I think, is that by dwelling on it, you somehow strengthen it.
	And I don't believe that.
	I think that by knowing your enemy, you have to spend time understanding it.
	That means putting energy into understanding what the dark side actually is.
	We have to do that if we're going to fight it.
	Absolutely.
	Well, and I consider you a definite comrade in that work and a very worthy one as well.
	And I have a website that I started called Project Light Warriors, and I'm much more of that opinion just for the people who are interested in knowing that.
	Richard Sauter is a good friend of yours, I believe.
	You've published, I think, one of his books.
	Is that right?
	I did.
	I published, I think, his latest and what I think is his greatest book on the phenomenon of clandestine underground bases and tunnels, and that's called Hidden in Plain Sight.
	Richard asked me about a year ago, a little over a year ago, if I would publish his forthcoming book, and I decided that I would do it.
	I'm trying to expand slowly as a publisher, not just of my books, but of other people as well on a limited basis.
	His was a very good choice.
	It's an excellent book.
	I think what he did is, short of breaking in with a camcorder to one of these facilities, he did about the best job you could do by demonstrating that they exist.
	In other words, by looking at...
	Proven documentation showing explicit plans to go way deep under the ground and under the seabed for permanent manned installations.
	Secondly, he deals with the technologies that do exist to make this happen.
	And thirdly, he deals with the leaks that have come to him over the years that are fleshing this out.
	And I think the result is a very compelling picture of what may be a labyrinthian world beneath our feet.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I have been an admirer of Richard Sauter's, although he was a good friend of ours, and then he began to do some bad-mouthing of Project Camelot, unfortunately, even on rents, which was really absurd, accusing us of all kinds of nefarious dealings when he knew me from years ago, so I don't know what he thought I was doing back then.
	Wow.
	A lot of good researchers have their own personality issues.
	I don't want to say one thing or another about Richard.
	I've always considered him a friend, but just because someone is a great researcher doesn't mean that they're always going to be amenable.
	In terms of personality issues.
	I'll put it that way.
	Yeah.
	Well, the reason I'm bringing him up is he did do this sort of amazing, bizarre incident in which he was actually thrown in jail for trespassing or this facility.
	Can you?
	Yeah, I can tell you all about that.
	I know everything about that.
	We only have five minutes, but if you could try to sum it up.
	Quickly, yes, I will.
	On income tax day, April 15th, Richard scaled the fence at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota.
	Intentionally, he dressed in very specific types of clothing.
	With a copy of the U.S. Constitution, which he placed on top of a nuclear missile silo, and then waited for about 15 minutes or more for Air Force Security Police to arrest him, which they then did.
	He did this as an explicit form of protest against what he felt, he feels, is the illegality of the U.S. military complex, which has done a lot of bad things in this world, and he spent some time in jail for them.
	So he was a conscientious objector in that case?
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Well, kudos to him for that.
	And Rich Dolan, thank you so much for coming on the show.
	I'm afraid we're out of time and this is the end of the show.
	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	We've been talking to Rich Dolan and KeyholePublishing.com is the website.
	Rich, take care of yourself and let's do this again.
	I'd love to.
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	Berkey Light is so powerful, it can even purify raw, untreated water from remote lakes and streams.
	And the optional PF2 filters even remove fluoride.
	The Berkey Light LED, with its rechargeable lighting system, can be used as a night light or a camp light.
	To view or purchase your Berkey water system and replacement filters, please visit American Freedom Radio's website at AmericanFreedomRadio.com and click the Berkey banner.
	Once again, that's AmericanFreedomRadio.com and click the Berkey Water Banner.
	Not yet available in Iowa.
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	In as little as two weeks, you can feel amazing results when your two-month supply of Heart and Body Extract today.
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