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Dec. 19, 2009 - Project Camelot

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Bill Ryan from Project Camelot interviewed by Freedom Central

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	and what's not going to happen, and what's rather like the skin.
	There's the apparently, he says, that when the sun really starts to be a very easy, which isn't necessarily going to be a 22-year-old.
	It's a paradox.
	I love the way that David Icke explained it on Saturday, that we are infinite love, infinite consciousness, temporarily experiencing what it's like to be here with our feet on the ground We're just playing games.
	And that doesn't mean there's anything trivial about it, but what else is a spiritual, playful being going to do in all of eternity, apart from to play games?
	That's a good way to learn.
	This is all a big training course.
	And so there's a paradox, because just like children playing in the playground at school, it feels important when somebody's chasing each other, when they're, I don't know, they're playing some game and somebody's trying to chase someone, trying to catch them, and they're trying to get away, and they're trying to figure out all this It's just another kind of game.
	And it feels important, but the paradox is that it's not.
	So I'm enjoying pretending that this is important, but it's not.
	Because I know who I am.
	That gives us our ground of security.
	If they kill me, I don't care.
	I'll just come back.
	It doesn't matter at all.
	I like the line in Star Wars where Obi-Wan Kenobi says to Darth Vader, if you kill me, I'll be more powerful than you can ever imagine.
	And so, this is why it's very important not to fall into the trap which we are intended to fall into of believing this illusion that we are small, mortal, powerless, temporarily animated hunks of meat that when it's all over, then that's the end.
	And in the meantime, we've got to fight for survival and worry about how we're going to feed ourselves and clothe ourselves and keep warm and all the stuff that's at the bottom level of Maslow's Triangle.
	The real truth is In every presentation he's been giving this year, this is why he starts with the fundamental reality that who we are is the biggest secret.
	Universities destroy knowledge and religions destroy spirituality.
	This is where we're at here.
	So we're not talking about believing anything.
	You have to get above all of that.
	Having taken off into the clouds, and this is what, for lack of any better word, we can call the spiritual realm.
	Not the astral realm, where you're talking about ghosts and ghoulies and interdimensional beings who are playing games.
	Just as we play games down here, you just can't see them.
	It's just the same.
	They're just non-physical in our terms.
	But when you get above all that, then you look down at the whole thing, and all you're looking is you're looking at a virtual reality game.
	And that's why it doesn't We're playing a virtual reality game on our computer if we do that.
	We're going to see the 20 Club movie.
	We'll be feeling this in our body, viscerally.
	It feels important.
	It feels like we want to win, or we want somebody else to win if we're watching the game.
	But it's just a game.
	Everything's a game.
	And so, I'm enjoying the game.
	And what gives...
	This is like a personal statement.
	What gives me...
	What it feels like gives my strength in the game, which is the knowledge of who I am.
	That's where you return to after the movie is over.
	And then you talk about it and you think about it and you think, hey, that was fun, I'll go back and do that one again next week.
	This is why fighting doesn't work, because fighting continues the game.
	We've been fighting for millions, billions, trillions, possibly quadrillions of years.
	And so this is a variant of what Einstein said, that a problem can't be solved by the level of consciousness which produced the problem in the first place.
	You've got to rise above that.
	And this is why...
	And the application of that in this situation is you can't solve this problem on planet Earth by being a human being.
	Just being a human being.
	Because that's the level of consciousness which has created the problem.
	You can only...
	You can only resolve this problem from a spiritual standpoint.
	Love is universal, and that capacity that we all have as spiritual beings must never be forgotten.
	And David, like I said, in his own way.
	He's looking at the Illuminati, he's looking at the reptilians, he's looking at the child-eaters, he's looking at the torturers, he's looking at the warmonger, and he's saying, I feel sorry for them.
	They've lost their way.
	They're spiritual beings who've forgotten who they are.
	They're playing a game and they're still stuck in it.
	At a different level, they've got all kinds of abilities, they've got billions of dollars, they've got psychic abilities, they're helped by nasty ETs, but they don't know who they really are.
	They can't get out of their trap either, because they've been doing it for billions of years also.
	This whole thing has been rolling on forever, almost.
	But it doesn't matter.
	What else are we going to do in all of eternity?
	You see, it's fun.
	And you've got to see it as fun.
	And this is why I enjoy my work, because it's a game.
	But it's a very serious game, you know.
	If somebody actually put a pistol to my head, I don't really know what I would do, you know.
	Because the body is just an animal, like the car that we're driving, and animals get frightened when they're threatened.
	My body would probably be frightened as a spiritual being.
	I think, oh, I wonder what it's going to be like going into the light.
	You see?
	So, obviously, the whole search of self is very important for people.
	This is something I really want to focus on.
	You say you understand and know who you are.
	Does that have to do also with understanding your past lives and how they impact here?
	Yeah, sure.
	I spent hundreds of years in Tibet.
	I came to the West in 1850.
	I was born into a Victorian family in London.
	And it seemed like a good idea at the time.
	I know a lot of people Who've come from other cultures, shamanic cultures, or from other planets.
	It doesn't really matter, but we're not talking about this very locked down, programmed reality, as David Icke would put it.
	That is, our current post-industrial So, I came to the West.
	It seemed like a good idea at the time.
	I picked up...
	Information when I was meditating in Tibet that those guys over there need help.
	I don't know where they are, I don't know who they are, but that's where I'm going next time because they need help.
	And I got hit really hard because this is what happens to everyone who comes from anywhere else.
	It doesn't matter where you come from, but you come into this reality and you get knocked on the head big time.
	And many people don't make it in their first lifetime.
	It's tougher than they think.
	And I didn't make it that first lifetime, meaning that it was a bit of a tragedy and that all kinds of strange things happened and I can tell the drama, but it's just drama.
	It's like, it's a lifetime, so what?
	Okay, start again.
	Reset.
	Control-Alt-Delete.
	Reset.
	Come back.
	Do it again.
	And I finally got my act together this time.
	I've had a number of things.
	I know who I was since then.
	I've had some adventurous times.
	It's not really the subject of this interview.
	I could go on for a long time.
	No, I love it.
	Please do.
	But...
	You see, if we go exploring our past lives, in a way that's more drama that we go into.
	It's like, oh my God, I was Cleopatra, or oh my God, I was this nasty person, or I was this good...
	It doesn't matter.
	That's over.
	It doesn't matter.
	But it can give us some insight into patterns that we repeat this lifetime, which come from a program that is remaining from an old situation that we still This is why people are afraid of drowning.
	Why?
	Because they had a nasty situation with water in their previous lifetime.
	They're afraid of water when they're three years old.
	Why?
	Because it happened before.
	We're afraid.
	And so much that we set up here is part of our mental reaction, not our spiritual reaction, because the mind is something that we take with us.
	I have a slightly different definition of the mind than David Icke does, but then that's another story as well.
	We're only really talking about semantics here.
	So much of what we set up for ourselves It's not important.
	The reason why you find out about it is so you can forget all about it and let it go so that it doesn't influence you now so that you're completely free so you're making real choices now in present time.
	And that's why Once again, we're talking words, but any kind of clearing technique, regression can do it.
	There are many other practices that do it as well.
	You can even do it in meditation.
	This is why remembering the past is powerful.
	Not so that we reminisce, but so that we can let go.
	And that's the key to it, because only then can you be really, really here and now.
	When you've unshackled these heavy weights from our feet and many of those are actually rooted in the past.
	And what we see here on planet Earth with all of these things that are perfectly real, we've got very nasty people who have got their own karma, they've got their own past, they've got their own track, they're playing their own game, they've got their own purposes, they come from their own places, they come here from other places too.
	It's just a continuation of the same thing.
	And so this is why what David Icke says is correct that you're not going to handle this by protesting on the streets.
	You're not going to handle this by taking 100,000 Chinese assassins and going to murder them all.
	It just continues it all.
	fighting doesn't work you got to handle this in a completely different project cannot is doing is bringing knowledge to the people about what were not taught in schools what children not taught by their parents what we don't read in the newspaper because and it's what you're doing here and what that you're doing is that we have to know the truth about where we are because if
	here we are in Zurich, if we want to drive to Paris and we've got a map in front of us, we have to know where we are, otherwise we're never going to go down the right road to get to where we want to go to.
	What one has to do is not to get locked into intentions so that one is controlled by the intentions rather than the intentions being a product of one's own desire to reach an outcome.
	Without intention, you can't make yourself a cup of coffee or get up in the morning or answer the telephone.
	And once again, this is an aspect of the paradox.
	On the highest possible level, these things don't matter.
	It doesn't matter whether you have a cup of coffee in the morning, it doesn't matter whether you answer the phone, it doesn't matter whether the world blows up in 2012.
	So, well, we'll just find another plan, then come back, it doesn't matter.
	But, on the other hand, in the context of the game, it does matter.
	And you can't have a game without intentions.
	And it's very important to separate out these two realities.
	And they coexist in a working paradox.
	And for me, my answer to the question that you asked Ruth about what advice would I give people, I would totally agree.
	I'd say, find out who you are.
	Because if you don't really know who you are, you don't have that You don't have that reservoir of strength and certainty, which is going to see you through any situation whatsoever, even if someone's holding a gun to your head or a needle against your arm.
	You know who you are.
	Secondly, I'd say it's helpful to know where you come from.
	Because that then can help you figure out what programs are running you this lifetime that are unconscious and which are your true free choices.
	You've got to be able to separate this out.
	Otherwise, if you feel like doing something, you don't know where it is that that's come from.
	You don't know whether it's an old program or whether it's something that's a really smart choice.
	Thirdly, I'd say don't fight.
	Fourthly, I'd say you have to understand that these guys need help.
	And I don't mean that in a condescending way, but there are people all over the world who are doing real spiritual work.
	And the word work is applicable here, because it takes time, it takes focus, it takes energy, you've got to shut the door, you've got to do whatever it is that you do, and there are a whole bunch of ways of doing it, and I do this too.
	Ruth does it, Kerry does it, a lot of people do it, that I know.
	They are handling problems In what Ruth has called the astral.
	In other words, it's the non-physical realm where these games are playing.
	There are a lot of non-physical beings who need therapy.
	They're upset.
	They need someone to talk to.
	Something happened a billion years ago and they're still angry.
	Are they manipulating us while they're doing this?
	Yeah, sure.
	They're just taking out their anger, like a kid on the street who's had a bad childhood, and then they go around wrecking the place.
	That kid probably needs help.
	He doesn't need prison.
	He needs someone to talk to.
	He needs a friend.
	He needs somebody to say, you know what?
	You are a wonderful being.
	You've had a hell of an experience.
	Tell me about it.
	What happened back then?
	Did your father abuse you?
	What happened to you that's made you so angry?
	He might just start to get to the bottom of that because that's his past.
	Now, one can communicate with these non-physical beings just as you can communicate with a kid in the street.
	If you can get them to talk to you, they've got problems.
	They're screwed up.
	They're angry, they're upset, they've had stuff done to them.
	You've got a cycle of abuse that happens just on a physical level where you've got somebody who is abused by their parents then becomes the abuser of their own children.
	They pass it on.
	The reason why they pass it on is because they go into the identity of the winning game.
	They go into the identity of the winner in the game.
	It's like, I lost that game, so I've got to adopt the winning strategy.
	What's the winning strategy?
	I become the abuser and I win.
	They see it this way.
	You can't get perpetuated.
	And in the non-physical realm, it happens in exactly the same way.
	You have to communicate with these beings telepathically.
	There are ways to do it.
	You can use biofeedback machines.
	You can do it in meditation.
	You can handle these guys.
	And I know people who are doing a lot of work with this.
	And what's really important is that every significant presenter of information in the realm which you and I and we are operating in Many, many, we're working as a huge team.
	Project Camelot, David Icke, our friends David Wilcock, Alex Collier, George Green, a whole bunch of people, including people I don't even know.
	They all have a profound spiritual orientation, every single one of them.
	Now, we met Patrick Jarrell.
	The reason why he's wrong is because he doesn't have a spiritual orientation.
	He's a scientist.
	He's trying to figure it out using mathematics.
	He'll never do that.
	It doesn't work that way.
	Bill Deagle.
	We spoke to Bill Deagle for an hour and a half last night.
	He's a profoundly spiritual person.
	Kerry is a profoundly spiritual person.
	We spoke about Bob Dean, our great friend.
	He's a wonderful, wonderful man.
	everyone we speak to and almost all of the unifying thread of all the people who we talk to they're profoundly spiritual people you spoke with david ike he He starts off his seven-hour presentation by talking about how we are all universal consciousness and infinite We need to hear more of that.
	And so everyone who is really working hard as educators to, I don't know what words to use here, to wake people up, but to remind people of what they already know.
	You see, the word remind and remember, they're important words, because you can't Be reminded of something that you don't already know.
	You can't recognize something that you don't already know.
	That's where the word comes from, to re-cognize it, to re-know it.
	This is why when people read books like Ruth's book, or like many, many other books, some people have different reference points like The Law of One.
	Ah, now I understand.
	But it's not new information.
	It's old information that they're recalling.
	You see, we're not, in my personal opinion, we are not evolving.
	We're recovering.
	I think this is a profound misapprehension in much spiritual teaching that we are somehow evolving from amoeba into some spiritual being.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	We were all gods.
	We started off as gods.
	We're all God-like beings who've forgotten who we are.
	And so we're getting it back again.
	We're recovering.
	We're clawing ourselves back out of the mud hole, washing ourselves down, getting all the stuff off us, and remembering who we were.
	So it's a recovery process.
	It's not an evolution at all.
	An evolution is to discredit who we really were, because we started as gods, you see.
	It's a fundamental orientation that is missing, in my opinion.
	Everyone has their own touchstone Their own seed crystal which is going to start that process of reawakening themselves.
	There's no right answer.
	Your right answer might be an inappropriate answer or not such a workable answer for somebody else.
	And one of the important things about...
	We all have to find our own answers.
	And once again, referencing what David Icke was saying a couple of days ago, this is why I will never want to work against someone else's intuition.
	If your intuition is pulling you to read the Law of One, and if you're getting good value from that, saying whatever you're doing that's working, you keep on doing it.
	If someone else says to me, well...
	I picked up the law of one and I couldn't understand a word of it.
	I said, okay, it's not the right book.
	Go find something else.
	And that's a variant of Of something else that I wanted to say, because a lot of people write to us, or come up to me and talk to me, saying, what should I do?
	Where should I go?
	What's a safe place to be?
	What action should I take?
	And you have to be a mirror and reflect it back.
	You have to say, what you are here to do is probably different, or maybe different, from what I'm here to do.
	Don't try and copy me.
	Be yourself.
	And the reason why you need to find out more about who you are, rediscover your strength, look at your past, meditate, do whatever processes or techniques are appropriate for you to remember, why are you here?
	Because you're here to do a job.
	And this is what you refer to in the Law of One as being a wanderer.
	There are many, many terms for this.
	Dolores Cannon did a wonderful coast-to-coast show about three or four weeks ago when she referred to these people as volunteers.
	That's a very simple word.
	Volunteers from all over the universe, different dimensions, different planets, maybe different cultures even on planet Earth's.
	It's like, okay, I'm going to try and help this movement here because these guys need help.
	And some people say, well, where should I go?
	Should I go to Australia?
	Should I go to Canada?
	What's a safe place to be?
	Should I go to Peru?
	Should I go to, you know?
	And it's like, well, where I should go might be different from where you should go.
	Because maybe one of the reasons why you should go there is because you've got to meet someone or you've got to do a job.
	You don't know what your life plan is.
	You think you came here without a plan?
	You've got a plan.
	Everyone's got a plan.
	Everyone watching this video has got a plan.
	It's smart to know what your plan is.
	If you don't know what your plan is, it's only because you haven't remembered it.
	And a way to figure out what your plan is, is it's not really a question of saying, oh, I remember.
	You will recognize it when it comes to you.
	And one of the indicators of what your plan is, is because it gives you energy.
	You start thinking about it, It gives you energy to think about it.
	And you see, work, the word work, is a relatively modern word.
	And what it really means is something that you don't want to do.
	Animals don't work.
	Animals just exist.
	In the Marquesas Islands, which is a group of French islands in the South Pacific, in their language there's no word for work.
	They shelter from the rain, they go hunting, they sing a song.
	They don't work.
	Why are we working?
	We're working because someone has got an idea of how we should structure this.
	We don't work.
	We live.
	And for me, I'm at my happiest often.
	I'm not even going to use the word work in this sentence.
	I'm at my happiest when I'm at And the definition of happiness, which I use for myself, is not like, ah, now I'm on a cloud and I'm happy and I'm sitting with a, you know, metaphorical gin and tonic watching the sunset.
	That's boring for me personally.
	Happiness for me is a direction, it's a dynamic process.
	It's being on target towards something that you want to do or you want to accomplish.
	It's not a fixed intention, like, right, I'm going to kill somebody now, and I'm going to do this, and I'm locked into this idea.
	But it's a purpose, and we all came here with a purpose.
	And when we're on that purpose line, then it no longer feels like work, it feels like a joy.
	And so, sure, our bodies get tired.
	We talked to David Icke yesterday, and he was absolutely exhausted.
	Because he's somebody who's been woken up to doing what it was that he came here to do.
	And what you and I can do, and what I think is happening in this movement that we call the ground crew, is that people are on the way to realizing something that they want to do.
	In the ground crew meeting here in Zurich that we'll be having in a week's time, it's not about organizing people, it's about inspiring people to say, okay, And if you want to organize a food co-op, then who else wants to help this person?
	Who's enthusiastic?
	The person whose hand goes up really quickly.
	They're the guy who should help this person.
	It's not about organizing people into a kind of militant army.
	It's about allowing oneself to understand what it is that one is really here to do.
	And that process of understanding, I think, is part of the awakening process that you asked Ruth about.
	That there is an awakening process happening.
	I don't understand it, but it is happening.
	Everyone we speak to, everyone we meet when we're traveling, everyone we talk to who's also been traveling, and who reports back from conferences that they've been to, this phenomenon is happening like a wave.
	and there's a wave of the expansion of consciousness, and again, I totally agree with David Icke's representation of this, that the powers that be are really, really worried about this, because otherwise they wouldn't have to lock down on us so hard.
	This is why they've got to microchip us, or control us, or prevent us from travelling, or prevent us from communicating, or eavesdrop on our conversations, or try and put something in our bodies through a needle that's going to compromise the effectiveness of this vehicle that we're all dependent on here in this reality to move around.
	They have to do that.
	They have to do all of those things, because they've got no other power.
	And what does that tell us about the limitation of the box that they're in?
	And I just love the way that David Ike characterizes that.
	And for me, that says, okay, I agree with him, that it may get complicated, it may get really interesting, it may get more difficult.
	We may have all kinds of problems that...
	That we haven't encountered so far in our lives up to this point.
	But another story that David Icke told in his lecture, in his presentation, was how he was told by a channel 19 years ago.
	That one of the many things that will happen as this wave of consciousness grows is that we need to organize ourselves into groups because together we will be stronger on a logistical, practical level.
	We have to form communities.
	We need to form collectives which are able to handle things logistically We're dependent on keeping our bodies alive.
	We need food.
	We need water.
	We need heat.
	We need shelter.
	We need protection.
	We don't need to have needles inside us.
	We don't need to have things which are sprayed through chemtrails.
	There's a whole thing going on.
	electronically our minds are influenced on a physical level our bodies are compromised and there are ways together that we can support ourselves there are antidotes to all of these things there are technological ways that we can shield ourselves from this and we need to help each other when the pressure really starts to crank up and everyone that we know says it's going to get worse before it gets better and I would agree with that I don't know how bad it's going to be I don't know what the timeline
	I think it's going to get tricky.
	It's not the end of the world.
	It's not the end of the human race.
	I think it's the most amazing training course and I think it's quite tough.
	And at the end of all of this, there's going to be something which we emerge into which will be a wonderful new start for the human race.
	But between now and then, and I don't know how long it's going to be, I don't know whether it's two years or three years or ten years, but after that, I think that we will have emerged from all of this and there's going to be a fantastic recovery process.
	I want to be around to see that happen, because that really sounds like fun to me.
	Last night we were talking to Bill Deagle, who was saying that he thought the timescale might extend to 2019.
	He doesn't buy the 2012 stuff either.
	But between now and then, there may be a lot of things to handle.
	I must say, just going back to everybody has to find what it is they came here to do, and like I say, certain things come to them and go, yes, yes, I want to do that.
	That's exactly what happened when I started watching Project Camelot.
	I'm not joking, and I've said this before to Kerry, that I lost weeks of my life.
	And with that, I knew what I had to do.
	I came to the conference that you were at.
	It was the 1st of August in Amsterdam.
	Spoke to you.
	I think my husband said to you, you know, what is it?
	How do you do what you do?
	And he had quite an emotional conversation with you.
	And with that, at that conference, we knew exactly what it was we had to do.
	I had media experience.
	And I thought, all right...
	I know that this is something that I could happily go into.
	I'm not going to worry about money.
	I'm not going to worry about how much money I'm going to make my big house.
	I'm just going to go do it because I feel that there's nothing in the world I'd rather do more.
	And I still feel that way in spite of...
	The various things that have happened to us and our information being confiscated by the powers that be or whoever it was at various points.
	I think it's very important for people to wake up and realize that we all have a part to play and they need to figure out what it is, why they came here and what it is they chose to do when they came here and why aren't they doing it.
	If you jump off the cliff, the angels will always catch you, but you'll never know until you Yes, very true.
	And they have caught us.
	We've been very, very blessed.
	Absolutely.
	So it's got something to do with trust.
	It's got something to do with courage.
	It's got something to do with daring to believe that you can be all you can be.
	I mean, I don't want to sound like an American military commander here, you know.
	But actually, before I entered this phase of my life, Where I was working 24-7 on Project Camelot.
	I was a team building specialist, personal development specialist.
	I've got outdoor experience.
	I used to take people up in the mountains.
	I started off my career when I was 21, 22 years old in outward bound schools, which is all...
	It's what in the older paradigm, the English stiff upper lip military language would have called character training.
	But what it really is, A playground in which no harm is going to come to anyone, but there's the opportunity for people to learn what they really can do.
	I used to work with delinquent kids who used to go abseiling, rappelling off cliffs, and used to go into the mountains and camping.
	And they used...
	They had transformation experiences because they never realized that they could do any of this stuff.
	People can do anything.
	People can do so much more than they are permitted to know.
	Richard Branson, who many people will know as the founder of Virgin, which is quite a huge financial business empire in Germany, I'm not actually advocating doing this, but one of the things that got him on his way was when he was a little tiny kid, his mother, rather than saying to him, get down off that tree right now, would say, go higher, go higher.
	You can go higher.
	I bet you can't reach that branch.
	Go right up to the top of that tree.
	And little Richard would climb up, and he was quite frightened.
	He'd go right up to the top of his tree, and his mother would say, that's wonderful.
	You're such a brave boy.
	You can do things that no one else can do.
	You are great.
	you are the best kid in the whole world now he's a billionaire his mother and this is the kind of thing that people get locked up for now would take this little kid drop him off in a different neighbourhood and say now let's see if we can find you on a home you know And little Richard would wander around the streets and had no idea what was happening and knock on the door saying, I'm lost.
	And then the person would take this little Richard back home to where he came from, you know, and then his mother would say, that's wonderful, you solved the problem, you did so well, you are so great, you can do anything.
	And he's a billionaire.
	And that's because his mother was so crazy.
	She programmed him well, didn't she?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Now, tell their children, don't go out of the front door because something terrible is going to happen to you.
	Don't talk to that stranger because they're going to do something terrible to you.
	Don't take any risks.
	I have a friend of mine in England.
	He's somebody who used to be my climbing partner because I've done a lot of rock climbing in my life.
	His name is Paul, the wonderful man.
	A lot of people sign off their letters saying, take care.
	He signs off his letters saying, take risks.
	I love it.
	Isn't that great?
	Life is a risk.
	Everything you do is a risk.
	When you catch the bus or you take the car to go back to where you're going, it's a risk.
	When you get in a plane to go back to Holland, it's a risk.
	When you commit yourself to your husband or to your partner, Richard, it's a risk.
	By publishing this video, it's a risk.
	Life is risky.
	You're never going to get out of it alive.
	Life's a risk.
	So enjoy it.
	Just give me a bit of background again on Project Camelot and how you got started and what inspired you to go on this journey.
	Right, I'm trying to...
	The reason for the pause there is I'm thinking about what level to go this into.
	Take it as long as you like.
	Using whatever language you I'm a wanderer, I'm a volunteer, this is what I came here to do, I'm pretty certain.
	And just as many people watching this video and you yourself will recognise, It's something which I really want to do.
	You look back on your life and you realize that all the experiences you had, even ones that weren't particularly pleasant at the time, were all part of the training program, which you choose, which you chose in your plans.
	Like, that's why I did this.
	That's why I did this.
	This is why I experienced that.
	This is why I spent...
	Two years with this terrible person.
	This is why I spent a year and a half in this terrible job.
	This is why I chose this terrible parent, or whatever.
	Because it made me who I am today, that helps me now, with this resource space that I've got to do this job now.
	But at the time, we don't understand what's happening.
	We think, oh, poor me.
	Now I recognise that so much of what I experienced has actually led me I worked in the outward-bound schools.
	I was a leadership and a team-building trainer.
	My mother was a writer who coached me in writing and presentation skills.
	She was an author.
	She always used to say, I should write a book.
	I haven't done that yet, but there's a book in here waiting to come.
	You bet there is.
	It was just a matter of time.
	And in my management consultancy career, I learnt how to handle...
	Executives, how to handle people in authority, how to handle meetings and large corporations, how to present to...
	You know, it's like all of this suddenly comes into play.
	And so I've arrived at the point where this is just a wonderful playground where I can start to deploy all of these skills and abilities.
	At the time, I just thought I was being a human being, trying to make it all work.
	But this is what it was all about.
	Now, I had an abduction experience 20 years ago, which in itself is a very long story, and I don't understand all of that story, and many people who've had abduction contactee experiences don't understand their stories either.
	And rather than feeling that, oh my God, something terrible happened to me, and these guys were abusing me when they carried me out of my tent in the Himalayas at 7,000 metres in December 2001, I was floated over the glacier in the middle of the night when the temperature was about minus 40 and minus 50.
	Were you conscious when this happened?
	Did you see it?
	Yeah, I couldn't move.
	I was paralyzed.
	It's a standard abduction experience and a rather unusual place.
	And it's a very, very complicated story at that time.
	And I still don't understand the ins and outs of it, but I'm as sure as I can be that what was happening then was this was part of a set-up It was part of a setup for what I'm doing now.
	And what I'm doing now, it's like, I don't know what they were doing, but it was probably a software upgrade.
	It was probably a software upgrade of some kind.
	I think that some of the abductions that take place are probably hardware or software upgrades.
	I can't prove it.
	It's just my own silly idea.
	But that's how I have resolved that situation temporarily for myself.
	At that time, I had a girlfriend called Angie.
	That was a very, very strange story.
	And I had a number of strange experiences...
	Which led me to conclude that she was not fully human in the accepted sense of the word.
	Now, I don't even know what I mean by that, but there was certainly something inside her that wasn't human.
	Is this the one that grew like two feet overnight?
	She grew two and a half inches overnight.
	Not two feet.
	I hope the story gets blown up.
	Two and a half inches.
	And I don't know whether it was overnight or not, but it was certainly within So it's medically impossible.
	And every now and then she used to say to me things that seemed to come from somewhere else, didn't seem to come from this little 26-year-old girl doing an ordinary job who looked walking down the street like any other 26-year-old girl.
	Every now and then she would say something that came from a completely different place.
	And one of the things that I remember, she said to me, It was like we had the coffee and the toast on the table and then she suddenly looked up at me and she said, the earth is a very beautiful place and it won't always be this way.
	It's quite random.
	And it's like, what?
	And then she kind of flicked back into her 26-year-old little girl mode and she didn't even acknowledge that she'd said it.
	She would say things like that.
	She would say to me, she'd say, you're a very special person.
	We won't always be together, but I will always love you.
	And she would say this to me over and over again.
	She'd say, you're very special, you're very special.
	And at first I thought she was just being nice.
	Now I think she was trying to tell me that I'm very special in some way.
	Now I'm not saying that I'm the only person who's very special.
	There are tens of thousands of people who are very, very special.
	When she walked out on me, she said, my purpose in your life is complete.
	now I'm off how did you deal with that?
	I couldn't I couldn't deal with it at all I was devastated so I had no frame of reference with which I understood that at all.
	Only later did I realize that her presence in my life is part of this preparation.
	And at the time, I had a very deep sense that I was involved in something important.
	I had no clue what it was.
	Chosen for something?
	Why am I experiencing this with this girl?
	Why is she in my life?
	I had another similar experience with my best friend at the time, who I went on the mountaineering trip within Nepal, where I was abducted out of my tent.
	He was one of these guys as well.
	It's just ridiculous.
	And he would say things to me.
	I remember once when I was being silly about something.
	I can't even...
	I can't even remember what it was.
	He talked to me.
	I mean, he was my best buddy.
	In the days when I used to go down to the pub, I'd go down to the pub with him.
	I used to go climbing with him.
	He was a wonderful man.
	His name was Dave.
	He talked to me and his voice changed.
	He said, you are way out of balance.
	He said, I don't know where these words are coming from, but you are way out of balance.
	I mean, this is my friend.
	He never said anything like, And, I mean, he was right.
	My life was way out of balance at that time.
	And I was being coached.
	And Alex Collier, in his presentation in Los Angeles, when he came out of retirement, I hope not temporarily, and he came to speak, a very, very powerful presentation.
	Indeed.
	He introduced the idea, just as like an open question to anyone who was listening at that time, was would you be open to being mentored by an extraterrestrial race?
	And some people...
	Ask us.
	Somebody asked me just yesterday, where are the benevolent ETs?
	Where are they?
	We're surrounded by these reptilians.
	Where are the good guys?
	You know, come on out.
	We need your help.
	Well, maybe they're mentors sitting there, right here and now, waiting for us to wake up to the fact.
	Maybe all we've got to do is ask.
	And we're not asking from the point of view of, you know, I'm so small, I'm a pathetic human, I can't understand things.
	It's like, okay, we've got an agreement.
	I recognise that I'm open to learning.
	I would like to wake up in the morning with a very clear sense of something which I'm confused about.
	It's not like an intention, but it's just like, this is...
	Now, some people talk about asking their higher self the same question, and that's another very, very viable technique.
	Ruth and I talk about this all the time.
	We say, okay, what does our higher self say?
	Our higher self can often come up with some very good information.
	But we're also able to ask our friends.
	And we have a mutual friend.
	Maybe we can't mention his name without permission, but he refers to his guides all the time.
	It was his guides who suggested to him very strongly that they should look in the engine of your vehicle after it had been interfered with.
	And lo and behold, he was right.
	Where did that information come from?
	Somebody's watching there.
	Somebody's looking at the whole thing.
	They're going, hey, we can tell you something if you're willing to open up and listen to us.
	And Non-physical from our view point, because we're talking about an overlapping of realities and dimensions.
	I saw a being in my bedroom 20 years ago when all this stuff was happening with Angie.
	It appeared like a kind of hologram.
	It was kind of phasing in and out of reality.
	It was real.
	It was very real.
	Now, I'm sure for him he was solid, but he was sort of...
	I saw him like a kind of hologram.
	It kind of appeared.
	It was physical, looked at me, there for about five seconds, then faded out again.
	Jake Simpson, our insider contactor, our contactor who we call on Project Camelot, said that the military of some countries Just technology.
	And they can walk through walls.
	Their super soldiers can walk through walls.
	He referred to it as a phase shift.
	You shift the phase.
	I don't know what this means.
	You shift the phase of these electron clouds, quantum probabilities, and empty space that we call matter, such that they just move through each other.
	Why not?
	The only reason why two things hit each other and bounce off is because you've got the apparency of a force through the The various electromagnetic reactions at a quantum level.
	I'm not saying this technically accurately.
	You've got the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force.
	You've got electromagnism and you've got gravity.
	These are the four basic forces, as best I remember.
	And the combination of these things results in the appearance of things being solid and the fact that I can't put this hand through this wall.
	I have spoken with somebody who was at a party where there were some people Who seem to be Illuminati connected, and the Illuminati basically...
	They're black magicians, among many other things.
	They can do all kinds of stuff.
	And ultimately, because everything is a solid expression of thought or spirituality, whatever words you want to use, we can actually transcend this stuff without using high technology.
	And so he went to a demonstration where somebody has put his hand through the wall.
	Like a special effect in a movie.
	Straight in, straight out.
	And people can bilocate.
	People can levitate.
	If you read that wonderful book, which I read many years ago that David Icke referenced in his presentation, Michael Talbot's The Holographic Universe, there's a couple of chapters in there about miracles in the past,
	about There are many many documented instances of people in a state of religious ecstasy Which basically is in a trance state,
	some kind of an altered state, where, you know, red-hot branding irons don't touch their skin, they've got big hooks in them, and then the hooks are taken out of their body, and then suddenly there's no wound anymore.
	In the modern day, we've got the psychic surgeons in the Philippines who can reach inside someone's body, take out a tumour, remove it again, and then the body just heals over.
	That's it.
	And then he's got the tumour in a jar.
	No anaesthetic, no nothing.
	He just reaches in, pulls it out.
	These are Filipino psychic surgeons.
	Lyle Watson, in his book Super Nature and Lifetide, talks about this quite a lot.
	There are a whole bunch of them in the Philippines.
	Last I heard there were about 20 of them.
	There's a guy in Brazil whose name I believe translates as John of God.
	He handles something like up to 3,000 patients a day.
	They come in a long line, about 10 seconds each.
	And he says, okay, you need this, you need this, you need this.
	And sometimes he picks up a rusty razor blade, opens them up with this rusty razor blade, no anesthetic, no nothing.
	He just says, right, okay, pull something out and that's it.
	Okay, right, next.
	And then there's no wound, there's no nothing.
	And they're fine.
	That's incredible.
	And his name is John of God.
	I'd love to go and see him.
	I mean, he's on the internet, you can check him out, you can go on tours, you can go and see him, and you can be one of those 3,000 people.
	And if you get the rusty razor blade treatment, make sure you've got your camera.
	So all of that is testimony to the fact that, as Michael Talbot would put it, we are living in a holographic universe.
	And we got into talking about this because I was talking about my friend who told me about the party that he went to, these strange Illuminati characters where he put his hands to the wall, and before that we were talking about this being that was in my room who materialized, and before that we were talking about seeking help from our etheric friends.
	Who are also in this non-physical world.
	But all of this, if you see it all as a Star Trek holodeck, where you've got all of these different things, and whatever you see depends on what, as David Light would say it again, what radio station you're tuning into.
	All of these are metaphors.
	You have to kind of grok this, you know, these concepts.
	You realize that there's so much room for anything to happen in life that you want to.
	Miracles become possible.
	There is no such thing as coincidence.
	One can plan one's own life.
	You can meet who you need to meet.
	And if you want to apply this on a physical level, you can step in a jump room and you can end up on Mars because it's just another application of practical magic.
	There's nothing really going on anyway.
	It's just a dream.
	Why don't you make a lucid dream and then you can do anything you want to.
	Some people do that.
	The Tibetan mystics, and I spent hundreds of I've had hundreds of years hanging out with them, and I used to be one, I think, at some point, had these sorts of abilities.
	They can do all kinds of stuff over there, you know?
	It's never really been exported into the Western world.
	In the West, we're very technologically dependent.
	We exist in a very, very controlled way.
	We're lied to ever since we're, you know, we're lied to, controlled, manipulated from the moment that we're born.
	And we think that we're the most advanced race on Earth, and actually, you know, we're really the most privileged.
	This is where I have my difference, and this is a leap here.
	I love the way that Richard Dolan, in his presentation at the Los Angeles Camelot Conference and in other presentations he's made, he argues the point very, very cogently that just because a civilization is technologically very cogently that just because a civilization is technologically advanced, it doesn't mean that it knows what's going on.
	It doesn't mean it's spiritually advanced.
	It doesn't mean that it's going to have grown beyond the point of being benevolent.
	And he uses this wonderful example that just supposing we now had a time machine and we could go back just a thousand years and talk to some of the people in the year 1000 AD.
	And you could bring your camera with you.
	you could bring your laptop with you, you could maybe bring your car with you, you could bring your cell phone with you.
	And they would see all of this incredible technology that to them would be like And they would say, you are such advanced beings.
	You must have solved every problem in wherever it is that you come from.
	You must all be benevolent.
	You must all be like angels.
	You must have handled the problems of war, poverty and disease.
	Because look at this technology that you've got.
	The logic doesn't work.
	The logic doesn't work.
	Just because you've got fancy toys that do things that seem like magic, it doesn't mean that we're working at an advanced level of spiritual ability.
	It just means you've got fancy toys.
	And some of the ETs are like that.
	And that's what's wrong with this hypothesis that says that just because they're flying about there using things that don't seem to be rocket ships and seem to have access to other dimensions and they can do fancy stuff with all of their toys, it doesn't mean that they're advanced beings spiritually, it doesn't mean they're benevolent, It just means that they're beings operating in this universe, playing games like we all are.
	They have their own karma, they have their own past, they have their own agendas, they have their own purposes.
	They may be doing things with us, to us, that we can't even imagine.
	And it's very, very dangerous to make the assumption that they're all wise and all benevolent.
	They may not be.
	I just wanted to slip that in because it's so important given that we're talking about technology.
	Absolutely.
	Well, Nick, on that vein, I want to get on to talking about sort of extraterrestrial beings, either on or off Earth.
	What is actually going on?
	Who is running this planet?
	And when are they going to come out and let us know they're here?
	There's a couple of simple questions for you.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	There seems to be a move towards something.
	Let's just build this up slowly.
	Larry King, on his show Larry King Live, has had more people on his interview show talking about UFOs and extraterrestrials this year than he has ever had before.
	Why?
	Interesting.
	Last year, the head Vatican astronomer, whose name I can't remember, made a public statement.
	This is my paraphrase, saying that if extraterrestrials exist, we must remember that there are all our brothers and sisters under God.
	So that came right out of the blue.
	Where did that come from?
	Why did he say that?
	Last week, approximately, if I remember rightly, the same guy held a five-day conference, I believe it was in Australia, I may be wrong, I need to check all these details, all about the possibility of the reality of extraterrestrial life.
	Another interesting thing that's happened is that NASA have announced that there's water on the Moon as a result of the LCROSS A spaceboat crashing into the moon experiment that they did.
	Richard Hoagland, who we know, and he's an interesting guy with interesting theories.
	He's no fool.
	We like him.
	He's a smart guy.
	He makes a lot of interesting contributions to these debates.
	He predicted on Coast to Coast that the next step in this chess game was that they would announce that there was water on the moon.
	Because that's one of the things that it's like introducing these ideas.
	Like, oh, there's water on the moon.
	Okay, now most people realise that where there's water, there could be life.
	Next thing they'll find something else, probably.
	So it's coming.
	They and Sean Pickering, who are two New York-based researchers.
	And what they told us...
	Isn't new to the extent that it has not been reported before.
	Michael Sala has reported this story.
	It's been reported on the Open Minds Forum.
	It created a little bit of a stir about 18 months ago when they reported that they'd been contacted by a US Navy source who disclosed the reality of meetings in the United Nations.
	One meeting in the United Nations behind closed doors, there was this guy to It was really a meeting about preparing internationally for the disclosure of the extraterrestrial reality.
	And after that it went to a number of other venues in various places.
	Based upon the principle that if there is to be disclosure to the world's population, the Americans have got to be in agreement with the Russians and the Chinese and the Germans and the French and the Brits and the South Africans and the Australians and everyone else about how they're going the Americans have got to be in agreement with the Russians and the Chinese and Because when...
	You're South African.
	The...
	If the American president makes a statement, then the next thing that will happen is that the South African president will be asked the same question by the South African press, saying, what do you know about this?
	He's got to give the same answer.
	And so, otherwise you've got a real problem, because you've got people giving different accounts.
	And what account to give and what to say and how to say it are It's been at high levels and has been for at least 18 months and probably for much, much longer than that.
	When Claire and Sean Pickering contacted us, this is all on the Project Camelot site, they referenced our interview with Stephen Greer.
	We've had a lot of interesting feedback about that.
	Some people really didn't like it.
	It's like, how could you challenge this guy?
	How could you be so belligerent?
	How could you disagree with him so strongly when it's just meant to be an interview, they said.
	And Clay and Sean Pickering said, this is the best interview you've ever done because the level of passion and disagreement and intelligent debate is There is exactly what is the reality behind closed doors at the highest level of policy.
	They said this is completely representative of the angst and the disagreement and the concern that there is among good people at highest levels of policy.
	They don't have the answers to these questions either.
	They don't know who they can trust.
	They don't know what to say.
	They don't know what it means if somebody comes along saying I'm an ET, here's some technology and we're giving it to you because we like you.
	Now, of course, I'm saying that in a sort of playful way.
	But how can we understand and how can we be sure of the agendas of these beings?
	Some of them will be genuinely friendly and others may not be.
	And it's very, very important to make the right decisions about these and it's very, very important to give people the right information.
	And And it is coming, I believe.
	Something's coming.
	We don't know when, and we don't know what, and we don't know how much truth it's going to contain.
	Pete Peterson, when we spoke to him at the end of June of this year, told us that he had been told by his own source.
	Now, let me back up a little bit here, because this has become an internet rumour that's kind of gone wild.
	And I'll just repeat again exactly what he said.
	He said that he had been told by a source of his that television time had been booked for the 27th of November across many networks in which Obama was planning to make an announcement.
	And then after that he immediately said, just because it's planned it doesn't mean it's going to happen.
	We spoke to him a short while ago and he said he'd give it 50-50.
	It's just his personal guess.
	This is the information that David Wilcock was referring to when he went out on quite a long, thin limb on coast to coast.
	Now, we love David.
	He's a good friend of ours.
	He may know things that we don't know, but based upon what we were all told by Pete Peterson at the same time, I would not have said something quite so strongly as David did.
	The problem is with making a prediction like that is that like Blossom Goodchild last year, you get to look a little bit silly if you're wrong.
	So I want to present this with every caveat I can think of.
	That who knows whether it's going to happen the 27th of November.
	It looks like, you know, if they were going to make a run up to this, they should be saying a little bit more than just they found water on the moon.
	It sounds like there's several other intermediate steps before they say something.
	Claire and Sean Pickering tells us that the heated debates behind closed doors are still going on, and they're not close to being resolved yet.
	My personal feeling, and I do want to say this on record, is that we're not going to hear anything on November 27th.
	I'd love to be wrong, but I think it's too early.
	I think that that may have been hopeful, it may well have been booked, but who knows what other provisional bookings they've made for the coming months.
	We just don't have that information.
	Pete Peterson doesn't know either.
	He's just reporting what he was told.
	And it's coming.
	We don't know when.
	We don't know what we're being told.
	And some people...
	In the disclosure movement think, right, our long battle for 30, 40, 50 years is going to be, ever since Roswell, is going to be over as soon as the President or whoever it is makes his announcement to the White House press corps.
	And I would say, well, actually that's where it might just begin.
	Because we don't know what they're going to say.
	We don't know how some of those questions are going to be fielded.
	We don't know what happens after that.
	And there may be a whole new game on in terms of, oh my God, they've told us this and we know that that's not true.
	But now everyone in the world is believing it comes from the President's mouth, so now we're into a new level of problem to deal with in terms of what's true, what's not true, what's being reported, what do people believe, how is this making people what do people believe, how is this making people react, and why are they doing all this?
	You have to see this whole thing as a chess game.
	And a chess game can be played out in many different ways.
	It could be a distraction to give people something to get fascinated with for several months while this all comes out, while meanwhile they're doing their microchipping quietly on the other. while meanwhile they're doing their microchipping quietly on the other.
	it would be a wonderful way to take the heat off the swine flu debate by suddenly announcing that ETs are real.
	All of a sudden, this thing about whether or not children should get vaccinated starts to feel not very interesting.
	It's much more interesting and sexy to talk about this other stuff.
	They could be doing it that way.
	There are so many things happening at once at the moment.
	The 2012 movie was released.
	I haven't seen it yet.
	I'm told it's not very good, but it's very spectacular.
	But they've released that for a reason.
	And there is definitely a plan to drive us into fear, because fear makes us easier to control.
	And one has to think the way that they think.
	These people are very clever.
	Everything that happens is for a reason.
	And there may be a whole bunch of misdirects going on that are causing us to feel and think and worry about and maybe react against this thing over here and something very quietly is happening over there.
	And we need to be smart enough to try and anticipate what these games are.
	And once again, I use the word game advisedly because we have to see it.
	We have to see it that way.
	When our interview with Deagle, the one that we did last night, is published, and I hope to do that this afternoon because it's very, very important stuff.
	He presents a different scenario for what we might be experiencing, not just up to 2012, but up to maybe as late as 2019.
	He doesn't think that, at all, that things are suddenly going to go pear-shaped in December 2012.
	He's as sure as he can.
	He's a very smart man, he's legal.
	He's sure that Patrick Jarrow and Cliff High have got this all wrong.
	He says that there is likely to be some very intense solar activity that's going to result in physical effects on this planet, and that there will be a cross is like the skin that's formed on hot milk.
	It sort of looks like it's solid, but actually it can move around.
	It doesn't break up, but it can break up, and it kind of floats about on this viscous surface, which actually is the hot magma underneath the crust.
	And he says that his calculations and insider sources indicate that over a period of time what is likely to happen is that there will be a gradual crustal displacement that will happen at about walking pace that will happen over a period of several months.
	Geologically, that's very, very fast.
	But it doesn't make for a good disaster movement, because the continents will start to rearrange themselves at the rate of about 2 km an hour.
	Just underneath half walking pace, something like that.
	But after three months, everything's going to be in a slightly different place.
	And then the weather's going to change, and then the ice caps are going to melt, and then the sea level's going to rearrange itself.
	And he says that Japan is probably going to disappear.
	And all kinds of things that are pretty heavy duty, but the world's not going to end.
	It's going to result in problems in food distribution.
	There's likely to be coronamass ejections, which will influence our...
	Which will influence and affect anything that operates electromagnetically.
	We've had insider information ourselves at Camelot.
	We heard back in April from the wife of an electrical engineer who had suddenly been briefed that he had about three or four years to handle the problem of every transformer and the British national grid burning out.
	We corresponded with the wife of this guy.
	There were several emails over a three or four day period because this guy was away.
	And she said, look, I can't answer your question because I'm not a scientist, and I'll put them to him as soon as he returned home.
	Then we heard nothing else at all.
	Because presumably, we can only assume, and it felt absolutely real, we can only assume that this guy got home and said, what the hell are you doing?
	We can't talk to anyone about this.
	It should be too dangerous.
	I've been threatened.
	You can't do this.
	Please, please, you shouldn't have talked to these people.
	And then we've heard from other people a very, very similar thing.
	Bill Eagle confirms this.
	There are electrical engineers all over the world working in the public domain who've already been briefed that they need to take care of stuff that might possibly happen.
	And the population reduction plans, and this is all, this is such a big subject, it's very hard to go at it in a linear way.
	The population reduction plans are basically If you're going to have significant earth changes and a breakdown in the infrastructure and a breakdown in food production and all of this,
	which are going to be life-threatening or life-ending for a lot of people, why are they worried about reducing the world's population at the same time through artificial means as they are?
	And Deagle's response to this basically is that it's a matter of timing.
	They're trying to anticipate when these things will happen.
	They need to have the world's population reduced by the time that these things really kick in, because otherwise their own survival may be threatened by too many people running around doing unpredictable things.
	But before that, It's a matter of keeping things going for as long as possible and then,
	just before the music stops, metaphorically speaking, Then they're going to say, okay, you guys are not needed anymore, now we start to reduce the world's population, and then the Earth changes start, and then they go all underground, and then they've got their Plan B, which is the basis on the Moon and Mars.
	Now, all of this, Deagle says, may only start to pan out as late as 2019.
	He doesn't buy the 2012 thing at all, and I don't either.
	I suspect that the 2012 thing is a big misdirect.
	And the very fact that we've got this Roland Emmerich movie coming out confirms to me that it's more likely to be a mystery.
	It's like, right, if he's saying this, then something else is going to be happening.
	In the meantime, we're all meant to be believing this.
	But there's something going on.
	There I'm sure other people who are watching this movie right now are busy trying to figure this out.
	We're not jumping on a bandwagon to claim that Bill Deagle is correct about this, but he's very, very smart.
	He's very, very well-intentioned.
	He's got his own insider sources.
	And what he was describing, which very soon after, We will have that full hour and a half audio on our site.
	It's the kind of thing you need to listen to three or four times because it's very, very intense.
	It rang true to me.
	It rang true to me.
	It's not a disaster, but it's a big change.
	It happens every 11,500 years and was the same kind of thing that we read about in the legends.
	It's the legend of Atlantis, the great flood, so on and so forth.
	A whole bunch of stuff happened.
	But it wasn't a big wipeout.
	It was just a little bit of a reset and a little bit of a reorganisation.
	And a lot of the high technology that existed back in those days disappeared.
	And then that correlates, of course, with what Hoagland has been saying all this time, which is really, really interesting.
	He says, all these ruins that are on Mars and on Earth, Is it Saturn or Jupiter?
	I can't remember.
	It's got incredible structures on it.
	I mean, the whole solar system seems to be littered with artefacts of different kinds.
	But he says it's just humans having done their thing in previous ages.
	He says it's not ETs building this stuff, it's us.
	It's our history.
	He says it's our history.
	We don't know our own history.
	Very, very interesting thesis.
	Of course, there are probably ET bases there as well.
	We heard from Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, about the Mars base.
	that's occupied, or rather jointly occupied, by human military, or human military intelligence, whatever you want to call them.
	But there are other ETs there as well.
	There's life and people, you know, people everywhere.
	But a lot of the stuff out there, Hogan claims, actually, is us from previous ages.
	We've been out there and we've left our ruins behind.
	I don't know whether it's true or not.
	It's a fascinating thesis.
	And Deagle is not, let me put this right, Deagle is not in disagreement about this.
	We do want to point people towards Bill Deagle's work.
	And a lot of people say that he's a fearmonger.
	And a lot of people say that David Icke is a fearmonger.
	And actually, I introduced David on Saturday by saying he's one of the most positive, optimistic, courageous people that you could ever think of.
	And he says that the idea that this might all have a bad ending never really occurs to him.
	And Deagle is exactly the same.
	But he's not saying, and David Icke isn't saying, that we're not going to have a tough time.
	We may have a tough time.
	And some people may have to drop their bodies and pick up another one somewhere.
	But that's not the end of the game.
	And that doesn't make it all into a disaster movie.
	It makes for quite a lot of drama and quite a lot of change and quite a lot of interesting things going on.
	But in the biggest picture, after all this, there actually is the opportunity for...
	The human race to emerge into what many, many psychics have seen as being, after all of this chaos, some kind of a golden age which will emerge.
	And one of the messages that I want to give here is that if this was all going to be a dreadful, terrible story, I wouldn't be here.
	You see, I wouldn't be here.
	I know that.
	I mean, this is like a person.
	I wouldn't be here.
	I wouldn't have come here in 1953 to do what I'm doing now.
	I'd have gone off to some other planet and made a good start.
	I mean, there are all kinds of wonderful places to be out there where you can really have a lot of fun doing a lot of different things.
	I'm here because there's a good chance that this game is going to result in a good outcome.
	In the meantime, it's fun, it's interesting, it's a learning experience, it's a training course for you and me and everyone else too.
	I'm really pleased that I volunteered for this, but I didn't volunteer for a dead end.
	And all the wonderful children who are coming in, who they're trying to control with Ritalin and all these drugs and all these...
	They're coming in in waves and waves.
	The cavalry is coming.
	There are little kids running around.
	The cavalry is here.
	We get letters from people.
	We get emails.
	in Project Camelot, the, we get more and more letters from younger and younger people People who are in their teens, people who are in their early 20s, and they have levels of awareness and information which they're holding in their understanding that I never had when I was that age.
	When I was 20, even when I was 30, I hadn't got a clue what was going on.
	I had no idea at all.
	I was trying to figure it all out.
	And these guys, are really on the ball.
	They don't have...
	I mean, some of them can't spell very well, but that's not important.
	We have so many people saying, I know I'm here for a reason.
	I want to find out what I'm here for.
	I understand all this information.
	Your information has helped to wake me up.
	Your information has helped me realize that I'm here.
	We get this from more and more people and younger and younger people.
	And of course, we're working as part of a huge team.
	You're going to start getting these messages as well if you haven't already started to get them.
	And there are people working all over the world in different cultures, in different ways, and all of this is happening.
	It's a movement.
	it's a movement and all of these young kids they would not be here if this was a dead-end fixed rigged game they'd have gone to another table on another planet they'd be doing something else they wouldn't be here they're here because there's a good chance because it's fun because we're working together because they can reconnect with people who they've got an agreement to reconnect with many of us have known each other before this is why i'm sure that since you started doing what you're doing you've been bumping into people who you've only met for one or two days
	and you think, my God, I feel like I've known you all my life.
	It happens all the time.
	And the reason for that is because they're not strangers, they're old friends.
	You have an agreement.
	It's part of the life plan to meet up and work together because this is what you've done many times before.
	The reason why it's fun to work with people is because it was fun last time.
	So here we go again.
	It's like a long series of movies where you get the same characters again faced with a different problem and here we go.
	And that really is the way that it is.
	And so that, for me, is one of the most important messages of hope that there is, that this whole cavalry wouldn't be investing themselves here if it was all hopeless.
	They're investing themselves here because there's something really valuable that could come out of this.
	I don't think anything's fixed.
	It's not fixed to have a good outcome.
	It's not fixed to have a bad outcome.
	But it's a fascinating game.
	And my message to anyone who's watching this Who feels that what I'm saying is saying anything to them, is you are probably watching this video right now for a reason.
	Nothing happens by accident.
	If you find yourself thinking, what should I be doing?
	What should I be being?
	even if German is your language and you're fascinated by Ruth's book, then that's a good place to start.
	Whatever it is that you feel drawn to do at this moment, then that could be what it is that you're here to do.
	Be smart.
	Be careful.
	Check things out with people.
	Be aware of all the tricks you possibly can do.
	But follow your instinct.
	If you spend all your time trying to think it up logically, you're not going to get anywhere.
	You've got to jump off the cliff.
	The angels will catch you because the angels are real.
	Brilliant.
	That's excellent.
	Thank you, Bill.
	I just want to go back to the question of, please tell us about who's actually running this planet.
	Is it the reptilians?
	I forgot.
	What's going on?
	Here we go.
	who is running the planet?
	The Anunnaki are part of the picture.
	The Anunnaki are an interesting bunch of people and there's some things which there's a lot which I don't know about them.
	And these seem to be a good example of what I was talking about a little earlier in this conversation.
	That rather than saying, oh my God, these are people we've got to worship, or we've got to fight, or we've got to propitiate to, or we've got to appease, or we've got to negotiate with, actually maybe there are people who came here with a problem.
	And there is information from different sources, including some of my own information, which feels real, and I've heard this elsewhere, is that they may have lost their planet.
	And for a race to have lost their planet, because bad things happen out there, it's a violent universe.
	For anyone, for any...
	Race of beings, any advanced race of beings that lose a planet, that's a tough problem to solve.
	Because it's like somebody losing their house in an earthquake and then wandering around wondering wherever they can live.
	They think, oh that's a nice house and that's a nice house, but everyone's already living in the nice houses.
	Now this is a very poor analogy.
	You can't just wander into a beautiful empty house.
	All the beautiful planets have already occupied.
	Or beings who seem to be there.
	Now it's possible, and I present this as a hypothesis.
	It may be that they're working through their own karmic history as a race.
	Just supposing A planet was destroyed.
	Then the race had nowhere to go.
	But because they hadn't been very nice to people before that, nobody wants to take them on board as refugees.
	Then they've got a problem.
	One of the things that Clay and Sean Pickering said, now they don't know anything about the Anunnaki.
	This is highly compartmentalized.
	I think that at least some of the Anunnaki, or the people who are called the Anunnaki, are reptilians.
	And remember that the word Anunnaki, as translated by Sitchin, simply means those who came from heaven to earth.
	It's like a generic term for extraterrestrials, really, visitors.
	They don't call themselves the Anunnaki.
	I don't know what they call themselves.
	It's possible that these are refugees looking for a place to squat, a place to take over, people to negotiate with, a role to play, a place to be.
	I don't know.
	If we imagine...
	That there's a race that lost their planet.
	They're likely to be heavily traumatized.
	They're likely to be split into different groups.
	They're likely to have disagreements between themselves about what they should do.
	Some people, some of those beings, some of those people might say, okay, we should ask for help.
	Others might say, no, we're a warrior race.
	We just go invade those people.
	We have no respect for them anywhere.
	Besides, we like their real estate.
	We've been told that the Anunnaki have split into a number of different factions, and actually they don't necessarily get along well with each other.
	Some of them may well be friendly, some of them may not be.
	I met Barbara Lamb.
	Who is a therapist who works with contactees.
	She's widely respected.
	She's a wonderful person.
	I met her in Los Angeles in February.
	And she told me that a reptilian had materialized in her room physically, held her hand for two minutes, looked her in the eye and gave her the information That he had been bred as part of a program to communicate with people, chosen people, with the message that they are not all unfriendly.
	That was his role.
	And Barbara Lamb understood this because she's heard all of these stories.
	Just because somebody's eight feet tall with muscles and scales and greens...
	I mean, I don't know what they look like.
	They probably look pretty frightening.
	But that doesn't mean to say that they're not...
	As Ruth said, the bottom line, once you disentangle all of this mess that we've got down here at this level of reality, everyone is infinite consciousness.
	Even a nasty reptilian who eats babies.
	They're infinite consciousness too.
	They've just forgotten who they are, just like you and I have, maybe.
	And so there's room for compassion in this.
	This is where the infinite love thing fits in.
	See, there's room for compassion.
	There's room for realising that these guys might have a big problem.
	But most people who do something that is antisocial or violent or nasty, they're just trying to solve a problem.
	If somebody holds you up at knife point down a dark alley and steals your wallet, they're just trying to solve a problem.
	If somebody bombs another country, they're just trying to solve a problem.
	If somebody takes over a planet, they're just trying to solve a problem.
	If your partner screams at you or throws a plate at you in the kitchen because they're upset, they're just trying to solve a problem.
	They're just self-medicating by doing something that makes them feel better.
	And so any bad thing that anyone ever does is they're trying to solve a problem.
	It's just that usually...
	When these things result in a negative effect on somebody else, it doesn't really finally solve the problem.
	It's just very temporary.
	It just feels like they're solving a problem.
	It doesn't actually end the whole thing.
	Trying to solve a problem in a way that creates another problem, creates another problem, creates another problem, creates another problem, and the whole thing never ends.
	You've got to lift yourself up to a higher level to realise how to really handle these problems, not try and solve them by a reactive act.
	So, so much about that.
	But this is where...
	Compassion comes into this, that rather than fighting these guys, we've got to understand that they may be here because they're trying to solve a problem, and they're trying to solve a problem in a way that might not be good for their karma, and might not be good for us physically.
	Now, you asked me who's running the show...
	It's certainly very real for me that there are reptilian entities who are operating behind or operating within senior figures who are influential in this whole chess game that is modern geopolitics and also in the alternative media world as well.
	If you've got reptilians who are smart enough To take over a human body in whatever metaphorical way you can imagine.
	They might stand behind them in another dimension, there might be what is called a walk-in, where they say, okay, out of here, I'm taking over this body now.
	And they look like a human, but who they were before that was something completely different.
	This can happen at any stage of one's life, you don't have to be born in here.
	That may happen with politicians, it may happen with bankers, it might happen with industrialists, it might happen with UFO researchers.
	In theory, if we don't watch our backs, it could happen to you and me.
	These are the kind of things which, if you regard these beings as having the ability Okay, what position should we occupy on this chessboard?
	And they are going to be occupying positions and they're going to be occupying people.
	It's absolutely logical that if they could do that, they would do that.
	And not only are the bad guys occupying positions and occupying people, the good guys are occupying positions and occupying people.
	Who do you think we are?
	Now, I'm not necessarily...
	I mean, before I was saying how I was into that for an awful lot, for a long time.
	I mean, I haven't got any memories earlier than about 2,000 years ago.
	But maybe I just came a little bit early, just to get used to it.
	If I came here to planet Earth from somewhere else, hanging out in Tibet to get the hang of it is actually a pretty nice place to do one's induction before you really start to get involved in stuff.
	I don't know for sure, but I know that some people have come straight in here.
	This is their first lifetime I've talked to them.
	I had another girlfriend.
	This is a story I haven't told publicly.
	I won't give her name because she could easily watch this.
	I had another girlfriend who had come here from the Pleiades two lifetimes ago.
	Not last lifetime.
	In other words, this lifetime is her second human lifetime.
	The previous lifetime, just like that, she had a really, really tough time.
	She had a very, very tough time.
	Because if you come here from anywhere, it's tough.
	It's a tough planet.
	It's not easy to be here.
	Especially if you're used to other ways of operating, other levels of technology, other abilities that one might have that you have to give up when you're here because things don't work that way with human bodies and human brains, because the brain is the interface.
	The brain's got something to do with telepathy, even though it's a fundamental spiritual ability.
	Hardware and software work together.
	You can have advanced software, but if the hardware's not right, the software won't work.
	But who's running the planet?
	Behind the scenes here, there is an invisible game going on.
	I won't use the word war.
	There are good aliens and there are bad aliens, and they're very, very probably occupying human conditions and playing things out.
	And they're probably hunting each other.
	And when Bob Dean said that there are human-looking aliens walking the halls of the Pentagon, and some of them are being hunted, which is what we were told by a source who we call John...
	What do we call him?
	John Robey.
	John Robey, who's a character in a movie.
	Because we like calling our pseudonyms characters in movies.
	He was Tony Dodd, who is now passed on.
	The very well-known British UFO researcher.
	Very widely respected.
	A wonderful man.
	I never met him personally.
	He communicated to us quite intensely.
	He says, these guys are being hunted down.
	What he never told us, specifically, probably because he never knew, is that the good guys are being hunted down by the bad guys and the bad guys are being hunted down by the good guys.
	The bad guys are being hunted down by the good guys.
	Or the other way around, or possibly both.
	Who knows what's going on out there?
	It's just the idea that when...
	Tony Dodd reported on our scientist John Roby and confirmed by Bob Dean saying that there is one race, this is pretty much what Bob Dean said from memory, he said that there is one race which he has been told about that looks exactly like us.
	You wouldn't notice them if they sat next to you in a train.
	You'd never notice them if you met them at a party.
	You'd never notice them if you They applied for a job in military intelligence.
	You wouldn't notice.
	They're just human.
	And bridging slightly over to that, this is something that Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, said over and over again.
	He said, they're humans.
	They're people out there.
	They're just like us.
	Some of them look a little bit different, some of them have slightly different skin, some of them are big, some of them are small, some of them have got different shaped eyes, but hell, we have that on planet Earth as well.
	Why do you think we all look so different?
	It's because we've got genetic components from all these other different races and they're all slightly different, but fundamentally, maybe with the odd exception, you know, they've all got two arms, two legs, a head, Two ears, two eyes, a nose and a mouth.
	And a brain that's up here and they've got their own chakra system and they've got their own biology.
	But they're pretty much human.
	It seems to be the template for this galaxy, at least.
	Maybe with one or two exceptions.
	And if some of those humans are so similar to us that you couldn't tell the difference, I'm sure they're here.
	They're probably very brave volunteers doing their own thing.
	And if any one of those is watching this video, come contact us, because we'd like to interview you.
	I personally want to interview a reptilian, if they can speak.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you probably have to have an intermediary to pick up their telepathic contact.
	One of the things, going back to, this whole thing isn't going in a straight line, but what Clay and Sean Pickering told us, Was that the disclosure which they have been...
	The disclosure program which they have been...
	told about by their US Navy source in great detail concerns two extraterrestrial races.
	They didn't know about any of the others.
	They said, nobody knows what the Greys are doing.
	They're doing their own thing.
	Henry Deacon told us that.
	They said, we don't know what those guys are doing.
	They're doing their own thing.
	Quite interesting.
	He talked about a reptilian race Who are subservient to another race which is a silicon-based life-form that is not But it's so alien in every sense of the word that it's really hard to understand what it is that they want, how they operate, anything about them at all, because it's a totally different paradigm.
	They're just crystals.
	They're crystals, basically.
	They're crystals that can apparently I don't know much about this and it's a very wild story.
	And they don't like the environment of planet Earth because it doesn't suit their bodies very well.
	And so this is a novelty in terms of UFO research.
	And they've had a bit of a tough time with their story because everyone says, oh, this is crazy, this is nonsense.
	So they don't have many people who are believing that.
	And...
	He saw us as part of a team of six who has been surgically modified, which apparently is quite a traumatic process.
	He's been surgically modified to be able to communicate with these beings, and he's had deep interaction with them.
	but one of the reasons why there are debates about whether to trust them or not is because they don't answer many questions and they don't reveal many facts but everyone just feels wonderful when they're in their presence and they seem to be benevolent but they're also withholding a lot of information but they're alien how do you figure this out?
	everyone's still trying to work it out nobody knows there's more about this in this big interview four hour interview that we haven't released yet and I've got to do this in the next few days because this is now overdue there's quite a lot of needs editing we got cut off a number of times and had some problems and so on the race that's subservient to them is a reptilian race
	he said that their source believes that they were that they suffered an extinction level event They lost their planet.
	He says...
	This is their source.
	When I say he, I'm referring to their source.
	We haven't met them directly.
	We've been invited to meet them.
	We haven't met them.
	He says that the reptilians, all they want to do is to walk around.
	All they want to do is to walk around.
	They spend their life in big spaceships.
	They don't have a planet.
	Apparently.
	It fits.
	It sort of fits.
	What do they look like?
	He said, imagine a miniature T-Rex.
	Big teeth.
	A tail.
	They weigh 500 kilograms, 1,000 pounds, 2.5 meters tall, 8 feet high.
	They're very, very strong.
	They are a warrior race.
	They're highly intelligent.
	They're very ruthless.
	Another source of ours has described these beings as, imagine the instincts and the ethical level of responsibility of a crocodile, imagine the instincts and the ethical level of responsibility of a crocodile, but with very They don't think differently.
	The way that humans do.
	And this, once again, going back to David Icke, what David Icke was saying just a couple of days ago, he also was referring to these beings as they, in his terminology, they operate through mind, they operate through a program, they will do whatever is And they don't have any empathy, they don't have any sympathy.
	It sort of fits, but behind all of that, and this is where we go back to what Ruth was saying, which is absolutely true.
	Behind all of that, you've got some form of cycle of abuse that has made them into what they, you know, these are tough kids on the block.
	We have children like that too, almost.
	Almost.
	Some of them.
	You don't want to come near them on a dark night, you'd be better off with a crocodile.
	Some of them.
	But behind them, they've experienced something that has made them into that.
	They've had a tough time, and this is their response.
	They're trying to survive in the world that they think is unsympathetic to them.
	This is just their response.
	They're trying to solve their own problem by being in a certain way.
	Maybe.
	These reptilian characters, he says that...
	Between them and a T-Rex, if you remember what a T-Rex looks like, they've got these little vestigial...
	These guys have got longer arms with very dexterous fingers, so they're tool-makers.
	If you think of the evolution of a biological species, you've got to go through the tool-making phase.
	This is why dolphins haven't evolved.
	All they can do is make noises and play complicated games and swim around in the sea.
	There'll never be an industrial race or an electronic race, because you've got to go through that phase by making things.
	And they have been through this phase of making things.
	They're highly intelligent, they're highly able, post-industrial, they have spaceflight, they have the whole thing.
	And what I do not know is whether these are the same as the Anunnaki.
	About the Anunnaki.
	I keep on talking about David Icke because he's a reference point that many people watching this video will recognise and be familiar with.
	And I had a fascinating conversation with David.
	I was telling him all that we heard about the reptilians in the Anarchy and he was telling us and it was absolutely matching totally.
	One of the characteristics is that when they are in contact, in physical contact, It's a little bit like you...
	It's part of their custom and ritual and fixed way of operating that you cannot look at their face, or that we cannot look, or humans can't look on their face.
	It's not done.
	And Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, who has encountered these characters physically in the flesh, he never saw their faces, because they're all wearing cloaks and headdresses and funny stuff like that.
	This is what they do.
	They're very ceremonial.
	It's an ancient culture which has ritual, and exactly as David...
	which has ritual deeply ingrained in everything which they do.
	Why not?
	They can do anything they like.
	They're aliens.
	And when David Icke was describing how the ritual and the status The divine right of kings and all the rest of it.
	This all comes from the Anunnaki.
	This is how they regard themselves.
	And when you meet them, it's like meeting a king.
	Or like meeting a queen.
	If we can imagine what this is like.
	You've got to talk in a certain way.
	You've got to avert your eyes.
	You've got to hold your hands in a certain way.
	You've got to approach them in a certain way.
	You've got to do everything in a certain way.
	Otherwise, our source said, I don't think it was a joke.
	He said, if you don't do it right, you end up on the dinner plate.
	It's like there's a certain way that you go about all of this.
	You've got to defer to them.
	But what's really, really interesting is that if this is the same group as Clay and Sean Pickering are talking about, and they describe these guys in great detail, you can see them when they're describing them.
	They're describing them vividly.
	They are subservient to this silicon-based life form.
	And the hypothesis is that the silicon-based life form rescued them when they destroyed their planet.
	So somehow they're operating symbiotically.
	Everything that I've said here raises a huge number of questions, and I don't have the answers to them.
	I don't know whether these reptilians are shapeshifters.
	The...
	The silicon-based race, apparently, they can do, they can shape-shift, but they don't shape-shift physically.
	They affect the perception in the brains or the minds of the people watching.
	So when this guy, when this source, the first time that he came across one of these things, he was with a group of people, as I remember rightly, if I remember this correctly.
	He was with a group of people in a room, and he was...
	Announced that he was going to have an important meeting and he went to know these people in this room and he was briefed by a senior military officer for five minutes until the military officer then became this big crystal.
	Because it wasn't a military officer at all.
	They thought that they were, you know, they perceived a military officer and what was really interesting is that all of those people in that group saw something slightly different.
	Because this was a mental perception.
	And then they were completely confused by this.
	They all went off into another room and compared, well, this is what I saw.
	What did you see?
	Well, he was wearing brown shoes.
	No, he wasn't.
	He was wearing black shoes.
	He was two metres tall.
	No, he wasn't.
	He was quite short.
	But they saw a person.
	And the rest of it was something to do with what they were sort of expecting.
	It was an individual response to something that they were being evoked to see or evoked to sense and hear.
	But they can only maintain it for about five minutes.
	Then they collapse into their real state, which is a physical state.
	The question immediately to their source was, well, is this some kind of a hologram or illusion?
	No, it's absolutely physical.
	They're a rock.
	They're a rock in a suit.
	It's a really weird thing.
	He said, they're a rock!
	There's a big crystal thing.
	It's straight out of some bad science fiction movie.
	It's not what you expect.
	But they have the capacity to influence how they're perceived for short periods of time.
	Fascinating stuff.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	And the reptilians, if it's the same group of reptilians, are subservient to them.
	The silicon-based group don't seem to hang around on planet Earth.
	They're out there somewhere, and nobody knows where they're from.
	This is another problem.
	They're not answering the question whether.
	But I think the response is something like, you wouldn't understand, which isn't very helpful.
	It may be true, but it's still not helpful.
	And there may be different branches of the reptilians, but the reptilians are a theme.
	They are a theme.
	They're coming up over and over again.
	There are people who've been...
	Who've been contacted by them, the people who've had experiences like Barbara Lamb had.
	They're the shape-shifting experiences.
	In our most recent interview with Jordan Maxwell, bless him, he came out saying, David Icke should not be persecuted for what people perceive as being his crazy ideas.
	He is absolutely right in what he says.
	I've had the same reports.
	They're separate reports.
	And then he told this incredible story about this girl who had been left alone in the house in an American military base.
	I mean, this is straight out of Hitchcock or something worse.
	He was looking in the mirror and behind him, there's this reptilian being who steps out of the cupboard and starts gliding across the carpet towards her.
	This is a 12-year-old, I think, is a young daughter of an American military officer with guards around the house because this guy knew that there was some kind of a threat but didn't know what the threat was.
	And this thing came from a cupboard, you know?
	Left big scratch marks in the door, straight out of a bad movie, you know, and then disappeared.
	And this girl was completely freaked out.
	And David got this story from the girl who is now a woman.
	This happened on an American military base.
	These things happen all the time.
	They can't control it.
	Just stepping into a dimensional portal, they can control where they appear.
	This is why they appear in cupboards and funny places like this.
	Otherwise they pop in the middle of a cocktail party.
	That doesn't work.
	Or in the middle of the street.
	Or in the middle of a shopping mall.
	No, they always appear in cupboards and things.
	Or little corners or basements.
	They can control where they appear.
	When they do appear.
	And the rest of the time, Which is a prominent figure whose role it is to influence other people.
	So it's a perfect strategy.
	This is why some of them are politicians.
	This is why some of them are industrialists.
	They're probably in the media and they're probably in UFO research.
	If I was a reptilian with an agenda like that, that's exactly the pieces that I would occupy.
	It makes perfect sense.
	It makes for a great movie.
	Yeah, doesn't it?
	Okay.
	Tell me, are they actually eating the children?
	Some people say so.
	In Bill Deagle's 2006 Granada Forum lecture, there's a part where he says, I could tell you what they do, but I'm not going to because I'd fall apart, he says.
	Bill Deagle's a good man.
	He couldn't talk about what he knew.
	He couldn't talk about what he knew.
	He was in the middle of a presentation.
	Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, told us that in his classified place of work, we know where that is, he attended a briefing all about this subject.
	And he walked out of the briefing because he couldn't stomach it.
	And he told us he was amazed at two things.
	One of them, he was amazed at how everyone was just sitting there listening to this and taking notes.
	And he was also amazed that nobody stopped him from walking out.
	What did they tell him?
	He was hinting heavily.
	he, like many people who've got, like many insiders who've got something important to say, he will talk indirectly about it.
	And the way that he alerted us to this story was, we were sitting in a restaurant with him, talking about all of this stuff.
	We spent hours and hours and hours and hours with him.
	Met him on many, many occasions, and we'd often meet him for dinner.
	And he was making a reference to a short story, a short science fiction story, which I read many years ago, and I can't remember if it was by Philip K. Dick or it was by Heinlein or whoever it was, but the title of the story was To Serve Man.
	To serve man.
	This is the story.
	I know this.
	And it was a little bit of a silly short story.
	Most science fiction short stories are about 12 pages long and they're quite fun and they've got a little punchline and you've got maybe 20 of them in a book.
	And this story is called To Serve Man and the theme was these aliens had appeared.
	And it had been discovered that in some document that somebody had seen of them, that there's this document that said to serve man.
	And people were saying, oh, this is great, they've come here to serve us.
	They've come here to help us, to assist us.
	It actually turned out the way it really meant they were going to serve us up on a plate.
	I mean, it's a very bad play on words.
	And Henry, Arthur, was making pointed remarks Just as he looked at the menu of this meal.
	And I didn't get it, and Kerry didn't get it.
	We didn't really get what he was talking about.
	And he kept on making...
	He was becoming more and more pointed, more and more pointed, until he virtually had to spell it out for us.
	And when he realised that we'd understood that there were at least some of these aliens who were eating people, then he said, OK, I don't need to talk about that anymore.
	And...
	This seems to be...
	It seems to be a theme.
	And one of the problems in this whole research area is that...
	And it's also the problem with the president of any country going up towards the press and saying, oh yeah, Roswell was real.
	It's like...
	After half an hour or an hour or two hours or two days or two weeks, someone then starts asking the question, well, we've heard about this.
	Is this true?
	And it goes to unsavory places.
	It goes to places that you don't want to go.
	Our research takes us to these places.
	Our research takes us to what the Illuminati are doing, to what's happening in the Vatican, to what the reptilians are doing, to extremely nasty places where I don't want to go to those places.
	It doesn't feel like fun anymore, really, when you're looking at all this stuff.
	You think, oh, God, I don't want to deal with this stuff.
	It's not nice.
	But everyone is going to be a really, really honest researcher.
	You've got to follow the data trail.
	And this is what David Icke does.
	This is what Bill Deagle does.
	It's not what everybody does.
	Some people say, I'm not going to go there.
	I'm only going to talk about nice aliens.
	Or I'm only going to talk about earth changes.
	I'm not going to talk about aliens at all.
	or I'm only going to talk about what the politicians are doing or what the economy is doing.
	But if you look at it from a high enough place, you see that all of these things are interconnected.
	connected.
	Even the nasty stuff.
	And this is where, again, when you go back to David's opening statement and Ruth's opening statement, that if you hold that line, that we are infinitely capable, infinitely wonderful, infinitely beautiful spiritual beings.
	And all else is illusion, drama and play.
	Maya.
	Then you can handle it.
	Because it's like, okay, you know, it doesn't feel very nice, but it's just one of those things in a dream that just feels a bit blech, you know, and then you move on.
	It's the only really way to handle it.
	How you communicate about it to people who don't have that viewpoint, I don't know.
	Do you ever come across disinformationists when you're interviewing people, people who are trying for you to deliver disinformation?
	How do you suss them out and how do you vet your witnesses?
	Hmm.
	What a question.
	I don't believe, I don't believe, I'm choosing my words carefully here.
	I don't believe that there has been very much deliberate disinformation in any of our... in any of our interviews.
	That does not mean, and I'll qualify that, that doesn't mean that everything that we're reporting we believe is correct.
	Some of it has to be wrong, because you've got people contradicting each other.
	You've got Dan Dearest saying that there are only three races visiting us, and Clifford Stone saying that there are 57 and probably more.
	Someone's got to be wrong.
	We really do believe that they're right.
	And one thing I want to say here about Dan Beerish is that he believes everything that he's told us.
	He's not lying to us.
	He believes it.
	But it doesn't mean that it's true.
	And as Richard Hoagland said very graphically in his interview to us and to other people, the lie is different at every level.
	And why would we believe that disinformation doesn't also work on the inside?
	One of the things that they do, and I learned this a long time ago, is that...
	Let me think of an example.
	I'm actually going back to the Sopo story, because this is where I had some people who first helped me to understand this.
	Is that, for example, if there's one source who said...
	Twelve people went on this mission.
	Then another source on the inside says ten people went on this mission.
	Another source says six people went on this mission.
	And these are informal briefings.
	It's actually not very important, it's just a little bit of information.
	Then if any of that information leaks out, they know where it came from.
	Because if it's the story where it's That then leaks out onto the internet.
	Then they know that it was the guy who was told that it was six who was responsible for the leak.
	Because it went down his channel, you see.
	And they do this with documents, too.
	If you ask Bob and Ryan Wood for Majestic Documents, they'll tell you that they do this with documents.
	They deliberately put spelling mistakes and typos into official documents.
	And there'll be different typos and different spelling states and different documents given to different people, so that when they leak, they know where it came from.
	So clever, so simple.
	You see, they do this on purpose.
	They do this on purpose.
	And so, there are different levels of that.
	There are other reasons for disinforming people, of course, on the inside, so that they get confused.
	If someone's confused, they're easier to control.
	They do it with us, they do it with themselves, at junior levels.
	There are huge levels.
	There are huge numbers of different levels here.
	And the guys at the top are trying to control the people at the bottom to keep them running around in different ways.
	Well, Deagle tells, and has been saying ever since his 2006 Granada Forum lecture, he started to get the big picture sorted out because he was a doctor working, actually taking care of people physically in many of these classified locations.
	Someone's got to take care of them.
	He was the doctor.
	He was on the inside working them.
	and he would talk to somebody who didn't know what was happening in the room next door to him in his classified establishment.
	But the guy who was in the room next door to him had been the previous guy who Deagle had seen in his previous medical appointment and had told him his story.
	So Deagle was getting all of these components and all these people he was talking to because everyone talks to their doctor.
	And so he was able to say to the guy here, Ah, you don't know what's happening in the room next door to you?
	I just spoke to him yesterday.
	This is what he said.
	And so Deagle was starting to get the big picture here.
	And this is just a little anecdote about how compartmentalized things are.
	Long before Camelot, in the year 2000, this is a fascinating story which I never made public.
	Long before Camelot, I was on holiday.
	In Thailand.
	I've been to Thailand a number of times.
	I've got some friends over there.
	And I met a black ops guy.
	And actually there are quite a few of these guys who hang out there.
	This is where they go when they're on the run.
	Or when they're trying to hide or when they're trying to pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist.
	This guy had worked for Bell Labs.
	Fascinating story.
	He...
	I realised that he was...
	An unusual guy, because he was talking to me like an advanced PhD-level physicist.
	I didn't know anything about him at all.
	But I finally asked him, well, where did he go to college?
	What did he used to do?
	And then he said, come with me.
	And we walked along the beach.
	And he said, I never went to college.
	And...
	I found that almost impossible to believe.
	He said, for my high school science project, I was with a couple of other guys, and I wish I could remember exactly what he told me.
	He made some kind of a vacuum plasma-powered laser gun or something.
	His high school physics project is like something out of these silly Disney movies.
	He was 17 years old.
	He was a kid.
	He made this thing.
	That was a classified Star Wars weapon.
	And he made this, you know, this incredible device.
	The next thing he knew, he got a knock on the door from the NSA, saying, you're a smart kid, we can take care of you, sign here, we'll give you lots of money, and we'll give you anything you want.
	You know, we'll take care of your education.
	He's a 17-year-old kid, smart kid.
	He said, yeah, sure.
	This is what happened to Dan Beerish, by the way.
	Same story.
	Almost.
	And so, they put him to work in Bell Labs, and And they said to him, we'll teach you anything you want, you've got a budget of anything you want, we want you just to learn stuff, get smart and invent stuff.
	Science kids dream.
	But what they do with people on Better Labs, and this is the point of this story, Blur everything around you so that all you can see is this immediate area around you to make sure that you don't trip over something or bump into a door so that you can see the doorknob when you're opening it.
	The rest of the stuff you can't see.
	It's the blur.
	So when you're walking through these other offices and laboratories, you can't see what's going on.
	You can't see what's written on the wall.
	You can't see who's there.
	You can't see what they're doing.
	But you can make it through to get to the door.
	And all of these guys have got these goggles on when they're moving until they get to their place.
	place then they get the goggles off and then it's like right you're in your place you know and just as um dan bearish described in in in s4 there are lines painted on the floor which you can also see So you go along these corridors like a tram.
	And if you wander off, then all the bells start ringing because you've got a gadget attached to your ankle.
	and the next thing you know you're surrounded by security guards because you've gone off your tram lines you know and if you really go off the tram lines and keep on going off the tram lines then they'll shoot you straight away because they know that something's badly wrong that kind of stuff and he told us this is the environment and the reason why he quit because he didn't want to work in a place like that under total intimidation all the time even though he got to play with anti-gravity devices and everything else After a while, it was no fun.
	Very, very interesting story.
	I actually went back there to try and find him, and I couldn't locate him anymore.
	He'd gone off somewhere else.
	But he quit.
	He's one of these guys who quit.
	Because a lot of these black ops guys quit.
	They really suffer.
	Here's another story I never told anybody.
	See, these things come to you.
	If you're doing a job, This information comes at you, and sometimes it comes really early and you don't know what to do with it.
	I was 18 years old, hitchhiking in northern Canada.
	It was in northern British Columbia.
	It was my first university vacation.
	I was hitchhiking.
	And I had a 200-mile ride with a scientist.
	I was 18 years old.
	I had a 200-mile ride with a scientist who talked to me as an anonymous hitchhiker.
	I never knew his name, he never knew my name.
	He talked to me, poured his heart out for 200 miles because he was doing research about implanting chips in people's brains.
	This was in 1971.
	Sorry, 1972.
	1972.
	Working for the Canadian military.
	I didn't know what to do.
	I can't remember much of it.
	I was a kid.
	I didn't know what was going on.
	I thought, wow, this guy's telling me about all this stuff.
	Is he crazy or what?
	And I listened very hard, and all I could remember after 200 miles was that he was telling me about the experiments he was being made to do to put chips into people's brains to control their behavior.
	Many years later, it's like, okay, now this fits with this, this fits with this, this fits with this.
	But these guys are troubled, you see.
	They're really, really He's a good man.
	They're all good men who we've spoken to.
	And this is all the context of your questioning.
	Peterson said that he was talking to us because he didn't like the feeling of, this is an exact quote, he didn't like the feeling of having to take three baths a day to avoid the feeling of being covered in excrement.
	When someone gets a little further on in their lives, Peterson's over 70 now.
	He's a lovely man.
	And he's done stuff, they've all done stuff that they have to live with.
	Jake Simpson, I'm sure this is okay to say this, he's a wonderful man too, he's a very good friend of ours.
	They do all this psychological profiling and they pass tests and they get to go on certain missions and so on and so forth.
	He said that there was a particular test that he failed.
	Which then confined his military intelligence history at one point and the test that he failed.
	And it was a psychological profiling test.
	It wasn't an actual test.
	But they determined that he would be unable to kill a child.
	Oh my goodness.
	And therefore, there were certain missions that he didn't go on.
	You see, I'm only telling that little anecdote.
	I mean, bless him, because he couldn't kill a child.
	But it means that in this whole world that we're inhabiting, of espionage, military, counter, in this whole thing, these people who often, they're good people and they go into these programs, they don't know.
	They are not told everything at the beginning, they don't know what they're being called upon to do.
	Henry Deacon, Because he can't bring himself to talk about it, and we don't know what it is because he's never told us.
	He said that in his...
	There are Mars veterans, just like there are Vietnam veterans.
	Not because there's a fight, but just because people, they do a tour of duty on Mars.
	They spend some time working on a project, and they go to Mars and come back, and go to Mars and come back, and all of this kind of stuff.
	And then they get moved on to another project, maybe.
	It's my term, using a Mars Bertrand.
	He said that later on, after he did all his stuff with Mars, he was working with a guy in a small classified project within NOAA. NOAA, it's N-O-A-A, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, like NASA, but it's NOAA. It's a public body, but they have classified projects too.
	That's when he told us that he knew about the second sun that was coming in.
	I don't know if it's a big problem or not, but it's out there somewhere, he said.
	He didn't really know much about it.
	He said they talked about it sometimes.
	And there's this other guy who worked there, who by coincidence happened to be a Mars veteran.
	He'd also done his stuff on Mars.
	And he said, Henry said, Arthur said, these two men would go into their office, they would lock the door, and they would weep.
	But he never told us why.
	He couldn't say.
	I don't know what.
	I don't know why.
	I've been...
	Kerry and I have been guessing for two years.
	We have no idea.
	We have no idea.
	But...
	And it might not matter.
	And, you know, we never pressed Henry on that.
	There are places which, you know, you ask him questions and they bounce off.
	He changes the subject or doesn't want to respond.
	But anyone...
	Who's been in these programs, they have suffered.
	They're suffering people.
	Another story that Henry told us.
	He was involved in the 9-11 operation that morning.
	We publicized that, but it's just an interesting story to tell.
	Because as an electronics specialist, one of the jobs that he had Which resulted in those two planes being flown into the twin towers, controlled like model aircraft from thousands of miles away.
	He set up the electronics for that, told us all about it.
	But as most people do in these projects, he didn't know what he was working on, he was just On the 11th of September.
	He and the people in his place of work were given a briefing.
	And the essence of the briefing was, on television today you will see a whole bunch of stuff.
	It's going to be very dramatic, but don't worry about it because it's just one of our projects.
	And he said, One of the things that shocked him, and it's a little bit like that other story he told about this briefing that he went into, he said the thing that amazed him was that everyone else said, okay, and just went back to work.
	And he was thinking, oh my God, what I've been working on is going to result in the deaths of thousands of people and the destruction of these two buildings and God knows what.
	And then he had a few hours in which he realized that he had the capability to sabotage it because he was working with the And he didn't do it.
	And he lives with that.
	He lives with the fact that he could have averted 9-11.
	He could have had those planes drive into the Hudson, and they didn't do it.
	And he has to live with that.
	And you and I, and everyone else watching this, they cannot imagine what it's like being somebody who is carrying that in their soul.
	And that's why they talk, you see.
	That's why they talk.
	They talk Because they are trying to purge their souls.
	They're trying to atone for what they feel they have done.
	And on the inside there's no escape.
	This is why we're protected.
	This is why you may be protected as well.
	Or may come to be protected as you come and do more and more work.
	Because some of these guys, there's nothing they can say on the inside.
	They can't speak out.
	They can't go and ring up the local newspaper and spill their story.
	You know, even if If they move, then that's the end of them, or the end of their children, or the end of something.
	It's not smart for them to do that.
	So what they do, very quietly, is they will do something very, very indirectly that supports you and me in continuing to do this story.
	They're rooting for us.
	You see, they're rooting for us.
	There are a lot of people there who are rooting for us.
	We know that.
	And we've been told that by a number of people, the white hats on the inside, they're doing everything they can do to help you and me and a lot of other people out there do our work.
	Now, then you get the whole chess game being played, because knowing that this is happening, then of course this disinformation will come trickling down.
	So, now, I use this just as an example, because it comes to mind.
	After we met with Peterson for many, many hours, and he told us a whole bunch of unbelievable things, some of which went on the video, after that we've had a number of phone conversations with him.
	And then in some of those phone conversations, and I won't go into any detail here at all, in some of those phone conversations, he said, I've just heard this from one of my mates.
	I've just heard this from one of our friends on the inside.
	Now, we don't know whether to believe that or not.
	not because he is necessarily providing us with any disinformation, but because then he becomes a problem to them.
	But at the same time, they're trying to...
	I mean, one has to think in a military way.
	You have to think like a spook.
	You have to think like you're on the other side of the chessboard trying to figure out what to do.
	They know that he's still in contact with us.
	They're not going to shoot him in the head, because then that confirms everything he's ever told us.
	So that's the last thing they do.
	But what they do is they see if they can twist it round.
	And then they twist it round by offering him a little bit of a tidbit of information, hoping that he'll believe it, and hoping that it'll tell us, and hoping that we'll believe it, and hoping that we say it.
	So then we have to use some kind of a filter.
	And some people...
	Going back to the Clay and Sean Pickering story, some people in the UFO community have not touched that because they feel they can't correlate this information about the silicon-based lifeform to anything else that they've ever heard.
	They're worried that this might be a very complex, very subtle, very clever disinformation ploy to get people fighting in the UFO community.
	It happens all the time.
	And...
	Use people who believe the story, because the source who believes what he's saying is going to be much more valuable than somebody who's been ordered to lie.
	Somebody who believes what he's saying is going to be really credible.
	They're going to say, well, I really believe this information.
	I've got these documents and I spoke to this person.
	And I also heard this from another person.
	This is what I really think is happening.
	And everything they say is true.
	And they're absolutely credible.
	They look you in the eye.
	You can feel that they're good people.
	You can feel they're being honest.
	And you still don't know where the information is true.
	This is a problem.
	Because we don't know the provenance.
	And so, what we do, I mean, all we can do If somebody tells us something, we say, right, how do you know this?
	Who told you?
	How sure are you?
	Is it single source?
	Did you hear this from two different people?
	How long ago did you hear it?
	What happened just before you were told that?
	We're trying to get the lie of the land.
	And what I try and do personally, if I can, is when I'm writing a I always put little caveats in this, and I'm always wanting to take every opportunity to clarify, both Kerry and I do this, that this is what we were told.
	The person who told us, we believe that he believed it.
	Maybe it's not true.
	And this loops right back to this thing about the 27th We'll
	on the 28th of November, we'll be liars.
	And we're not.
	We're just being reporters.
	But we're trying to be reporters with as much responsibility as we can.
	We're not Fox News that says, we report, you decide.
	We're not removing ourselves from any responsibility here.
	But at the same time, we're trying to put together what we feel is credible information.
	We can kind of see patterns.
	We're trying to say to people, we think we see this pattern, but maybe you see a different pattern, but let's check it all out.
	We're learning all the time.
	We know that some of our information is not correct, because it can't be, because we get people contradicting each other.
	We do feel that between 80 and 90% of our information is accurate.
	I used to say 95%.
	I think it's probably between 80 and 90.
	but that's quite a heavy load of good information.
	We're on the lookout for people who feed us crazy stuff.
	People send us crazy stuff by email all the time.
	But that's because it's easy for a kid to write a crazy story and say, hey, I'm a whistleblower, you know.
	Sometimes you can kind of tell immediately.
	When somebody says there's a PhD scientist and they can't even spell, then it's like, okay, there's something wrong here.
	And at the same time, sometimes you pick up one of these little threads and we do use our intuition for what it's worth.
	Kerry and I both use our intuition when we're both thinking, there's something important here, there's something important here.
	Then we tend to follow it, and then we'll invest some of our time in checking it out.
	It's very important not to front-load people when...
	meaning, if somebody says...
	This is an invented story.
	This is an invented example.
	If somebody wrote to us and says...
	I was at the Mars base.
	Anyone can say that.
	Then rather than saying, oh, this is what Henry Deacon told us.
	Is this true?
	You see.
	Then the kid in the basement playing a joke says, "Yes, it is." You see, that's not a very good question to us.
	You've got to ask open questions.
	You've got to say, "What's it like?" You mustn't, you know, what did you see?
	You don't ask them any questions to confirm anything at all, because then all they're going to do is say yes.
	And so on and so forth.
	And sometimes, We come across information that we just don't buy at all.
	And there are some people in the research community that we just don't buy their information.
	There's something wrong with it.
	It doesn't fit.
	Now, we may be wrong in some of that information.
	We may have bought some information that doesn't fit...
	We get a lot of information about Dan Birich, for example.
	People say, he's a liar, he's crazy, you know, he's this, he's that.
	He's not a liar and he's not crazy.
	His information isn't all correct.
	I'm certain about that.
	But he's a good-hearted guy.
	He's heavily controlled.
	He's now been turned against us.
	And that's because we trot on someone's toes.
	After the Zurich Conference, and we don't know what we did to trouble on those toes, but Dan Beerus is now corralled by a bunch of people who regard us as some kind of an enemy.
	We are not an enemy.
	We will continue to present this information with as much intellectual honesty as we can do.
	And it's just a little bit of a...
	It's a tough battlefield.
	You win friends, you lose friends, you become disconnected from people.
	But we do think that we know who's good-hearted and who's not good-hearted.
	We think we can kind of tell that probably as you can.
	And...
	One of the things we were told, and this makes our life more difficult, but this is one of the things that also keeps us alive.
	We were told...
	By a very friendly insider source, he said, listen, he said, don't try and prove anything.
	Never try and prove anything.
	And actually, at that time, it's just interesting, because we weren't trying to prove anything anyway.
	We don't have any documents.
	We don't have an alien in the cupboard that we can wheel out in front of the camera saying, here, look at this.
	We don't have anything like that.
	We don't have, you know, convincing photographs.
	We don't have affidavits from anybody.
	We don't have anything.
	All we have is stories.
	And we're trying to paint a picture.
	We're trying to put this mosaic together so people can see for themselves, so people can use this to correlate their own experience.
	But there's a very subtle point here.
	Because some people say, you can't prove anything you're saying.
	You're coming up with all this stuff.
	There's not one document, not one photograph, not one affidavit, nothing.
	You can't prove a thing.
	And besides the fact that we don't have that stuff, we're not withholding it or anything, but this is the fuse in the circuit that enables us to continue to work.
	And actually it was Hal Puthoff, Dr.
	Hal Puthoff, the very famous physicist, the guy who ran the review program at SRI. I regard him as a friend, I met him for a couple of days, he's a wonderful man.
	And he was the first person who said, he said, look, he said, it's very important to maintain, it's important for the authorities to To maintain plausible deniability.
	He said, they want this information to come out, but it's got a built-in shock absorber in the system.
	That they want all these stories about ETs, and these stories about abductions, and these stories about military hardware, and these stories about...
	They want this stuff to be slowly percolating into the popular culture.
	But without any proof at all.
	Because this means that the people whose reality would be threatened seriously if there was a photograph of an alien or a conclusive document with Kennedy's signature saying, I was going to do this, you know, signed, date, the day before he was killed or something, you know.
	Then you get people reacting to this in shock, jumping out of windows, civil unrest, effect on the economy, blah, blah, blah, destabilizing governments, In people's face, and the religious question, for God's sake.
	You know, as it were.
	So, the plausible deniability is in there all the time, because no one is being forced to take anything on board if they can't handle it.
	If they can't handle it, they just say, this person's crazy.
	Bill Ryan's crazy.
	Mel's crazy.
	Alex Jones is crazy.
	David Iy's crazy.
	They go and live their lives and the world continues in a stable way.
	But the people who can take it on board do.
	And they say, you know what?
	I feel this is true.
	I don't need any truth.
	I don't need any proof.
	I'm just going to think about this now.
	And it fits with what I heard from this other guy.
	And this is why it's important and workable and it's all working on a drip feed.
	We're actually not only protected by the white hats, They've got a problem.
	They've got a problem because they're sitting on all this stuff.
	It's got to come out somehow.
	They've had a program in place for decades now where they're ceding this information to the popular culture as early as 1952 or whenever it was, when they made the first version of The Day the Earth Stood Still.
	They were trying to tell the world then something about what's really going on.
	Ever since then, we've had...
	I mean, it's like any kid, any teenager who watches movies, you ask them if ETs are real, they're going to look at you like you're crazy.
	Of course they're real.
	It's obvious.
	You know, they've been watching cartoons about it ever since they were four years old.
	For them, it's part of their reality.
	They think people who think that it can't be real are crazy.
	You see, so it's working.
	And this is in the popular culture.
	They've been part of, you know, they've been seeding all this stuff in there.
	We're very, very useful to them.
	We're useful to them because we're helping this process.
	We were never part of the plan, but many It doesn't mean to say that they're not opportunistically pleased that we suddenly appeared on the scene.
	We haven't been manipulated into doing this.
	But it's part of how this all goes together.
	If this does solve their problem so that the world is able to take upon disclosure and we're somehow part of their strategy because somebody really does want to make an announcement, It's not knowingly being used, but if it's the truth, it's the truth, and so let's do that.
	And in the meantime...
	I'm already listening to this conversation.
	They're going to watch this video.
	They're going to analyze what I know.
	They're going to figure out what it is that I'm saying, what it is that I'm not saying.
	Someone's going to do an assessment to see whether I'm being responsible.
	They're continuing to update my profile.
	They're going to find out whether I'm reliable.
	They're going to see what else they're going to throw at me or us.
	When I say me, I'm only talking about me because Kerry is not here.
	They do this with us all the time.
	And to the degree that we're useful to them, we're going to be allowed to continue.
	I think we're doing them a big favour.
	They're interested to know who we're talking to, they read all our emails, they figure out who's waking up.
	But you can't avoid that.
	You can't avoid that.
	The only way to avoid that completely is to go into a hole, stop communicating, and go and do something else all your life.
	And that's not the plan either.
	You see, we have to work with them.
	So...
	It's a kind of symbiosis, you see.
	It's a symbiosis.
	It's a sort of ecosystem where all of these, you know, where you get the sharks and the mice and the elephants and the lions and the tigers and the snakes, they all live together in this ecosystem.
	And that's kind of what's happening on planet Earth at the moment.
	Now, this is a real metaphor, but that ecosystem is kind of evolving in a particular direction.
	In the meantime, everything is kind of finding its own level.
	The energy is flowing.
	The information is flowing.
	And you get this whole thing played out on this huge cosmic tapestry, which has got something to do with consciousness increasing.
	The consciousness needs to have information so they've got something to process, so people can de-confuse themselves.
	the kids who are coming into this world think what the hell is going on ah now i know why i'm here now i know what the game is now i know where these chess pieces are now i know what to trust and what And everyone's figuring this out, and that's all part of the learning, because that's all part of their responsibility, individual responsibility, to utilize this training course and to learn what they can learn.
	And all of this is against the backdrop of a whole bunch of nasty people who may or may not have lost their planet an awful long time ago, who are trying to control us because they're frightened of the power that we have as infinite consciousness.
	And as they say, it's that It's wonderful.
	And David Icke says, I wouldn't be anywhere else doing anything else at any other time.
	It's a fantastic time to be alive.
	And it's just the place to be.
	This is where the action is.
	We're on the cutting edge.
	and for anyone watching this who is wondering whether this is the right place to be I defy you to think of anything else anywhere else that wasn't quite so much fun you know as right now and the opportunity is to really make a difference Lovely Alright and that note Bill thank you very much for your time And it was absolutely the greatest pleasure to speak to you and get to pick your brains on all the wonderful information you have.
	And I really hope you can sit down and have another chat sometime soon, because I'm sure that you've got a lot more to tell.
	So thanks for your time.
	It's been a very great pleasure.

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