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Aug. 18, 2009 - Project Camelot

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Zurich Conference: Bill Ryan's workshop, 12 July 2009

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	Thank you.
	Good morning to you all.
	Good morning.
	Who had a long interesting night last night with lots of interesting conversations?
	We hope you had some fun and we hope that you're getting value from this conference.
	We're genuinely delighted that you're all here.
	This workshop is nothing that I have planned.
	I'm not the kind of guy who plans anything.
	I don't do well with plans and schedules because I've learned that they always go wrong.
	Yeah, right.
	So, what I wanted to use this opportunity for, and the reason for the workshops, I think some of you understand, is simply because the main conference room downstairs was not available this morning.
	So we didn't know what to do with you.
	And we felt that it was an opportunity to use the next largest rooms that we could find to have the opportunity to interact personally and informally with some of the speakers.
	I'm amazed that you're here because I do recognize that some of you would probably rather have been in Dan's workshop.
	I'd like to be there myself, but I have to be here.
	What I want to do this morning is whatever you want to do.
	So I'm happy for it to be a loose conversation, a question and answer session.
	You can drill down into some of the details which I haven't had time to talk about.
	There are some things off record which I cannot talk about, but apart from that, I'm willing to share just about anything that's on the record.
	And I do also recognize that there are people in this conference who've got some amazing stories to tell.
	We've heard one or two of them already, and if anyone's been to Mars, please stand up and tell us about it.
	We can even turn the camera off for that.
	You thought I was serious.
	Maybe I was.
	Anything can happen in a conference like this.
	So I have absolutely no plans.
	I've got nothing to present.
	I've got no special rollout.
	I've got no video.
	I've got nothing to say apart from what you would like me to talk about.
	And I want to address everyone and everything if I can do.
	I'm also not stuck to finishing at 12 o'clock.
	I'll go on until...
	There's no one left in the room.
	It's okay with me.
	I'm quite happy for that.
	There is a break, apparently, at 11 o'clock.
	Is that right?
	Irene, thank you.
	Where the little snack bar downstairs is open.
	If you want to take a break, You can.
	If you don't want to, we can carry on.
	We can take a vote on it at the time.
	I'm sorry about the heat in the room.
	We've got all the windows open.
	The reason why the curtains needed to be drawn is because otherwise I would be a silhouette on the video.
	Can I make a proposal?
	A proposal.
	Before, I think, first, I would ask you a certain question, which maybe is just of interest for them, I don't know, some might not.
	Maybe you could give us, for the beginning, a little talk about maybe the latest witness that you were speaking to and you were mentioning it yesterday, and sort of the newest news that you came across.
	Yeah, okay.
	I will Do that if I can.
	I'm very happy to do that.
	Any hesitation that you hear in me about that is simply because we had so much information we don't even know what we've got, really.
	We keep on remembering things that we've forgotten about, you know.
	I will tell you as much as I can.
	There is some stuff that is off record.
	It was quite interesting.
	It falls into three categories.
	There's the information that was okay...
	For us to publish.
	There's the information that if we did publish, they'd kill him.
	And then there's the other information that if we published, they'd kill us.
	So it's important that we work out which of these three categories all of these things are in.
	And he wasn't kidding, either.
	There was one thing that he didn't want us to talk about.
	This is going to be terribly frustrating for you, I'm sorry.
	One thing that he didn't want us to talk about.
	He said, listen, 300 people have been assassinated because they knew too much about this stuff.
	So you can't go talking about this.
	If you don't want to tell us, protect us from not being killed.
	Well, sure.
	That too.
	I just wanted to share that with you because this is the kind of crazy environment in which we operate.
	But what's useful is that when we get this information, we don't just bury it.
	We keep it like a piece of the jigsaw puzzle and then we can relate it to other things.
	And sometimes there are people who we really trust and we absolutely know we can trust.
	For example, as I think you know, we share information with David Wilcock and he shares information with us.
	This is one of the reasons why we got together and were able to realize that some of this information was likely to be correct because we were getting it from independent sources.
	And this is really quite valuable.
	So...
	It's not that we're trying to play any kind of a weird power game and we know and you don't.
	It's not like that.
	We want to get everything out there we possibly can do.
	And the things that we do, one of the things, for example, let me tell you this.
	I think it's obvious and safe to do this.
	Very obvious.
	One of the things that we agreed that we would work out a way to do is to take some of this information and then release it separately from an anonymous source later.
	You see?
	So the information's out there, but we're not formally connecting it with Pete Peterson.
	And then there's going to be A genuine confusion in there, because actually we get anonymous information anyway, so it'll all be mixed up together.
	And who the hell cares?
	If you trust us enough to know that if we say something, we think that it's valid.
	What's really more important is the information.
	I do know that this is frustrating for researchers who want to pick it up and take it further.
	But we're just doing everything we can.
	So these are all the caveats.
	The most important thing that Pete Peterson told us was on record.
	Um...
	And he was very animated about this in our video, which is being edited.
	It takes time to edit this stuff.
	Kerry's working on it right now.
	There's four hours of testimony.
	We'll probably...
	It'll probably be pretty much every minute of that, we think.
	And the thing that he was most animated about was that he is certain, he is personally certain, that there's going to be a collapse of the infrastructure in America this year.
	Brian yesterday talked about epistemology.
	Which is one of those words that means, how do you know what you know?
	Where does this information come from?
	And he's a very, very smart man.
	And he was very careful to say, this is what I believe from the information that I'm getting at me.
	These are his words.
	He wasn't saying, you know...
	This is going to happen, but he was saying, this is the information I have, and it fits with this, and it fits with this, and it fits with this.
	And it fits with stuff that we know about, too.
	But then, last year, as many of you know, there were a lot of things that were planned to happen towards the back end of last year, and they didn't.
	Some of them did, but a lot of them didn't.
	And...
	What Peterson confirmed to us was something that we've heard from a number of other people, that there are good, very good people, very able people in the military, the government and the intelligence services of all countries who are still on the inside and they're working to make sure that these things don't happen.
	There's all kinds of things going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
	We'll never know.
	We'll never know their names.
	Many of you will know about the incident that happened at Barksdale Air Force Base in September, was it September or August?
	2007, with that weird flight of the nuclear-armed cruise missiles across America from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale.
	And then they landed at Barksdale.
	Somebody there blew the whistle.
	Some very brave airman whose name we will never know.
	And then said, oh, sorry, it was a mistake.
	We loaded the wrong missiles on the plane.
	I mean, that doesn't happen.
	And...
	And we've spoken to several people who've worked in facilities like that, who said, listen, it's impossible.
	You know, it's like walking out of a bank with a bar of gold and nobody noticing.
	It just doesn't happen, you know.
	What, sorry?
	Yeah, sure, yeah.
	That's an example.
	While we still don't know the details of what was planned, it is obvious that something was planned and it is obvious that it was stopped.
	And there are...
	I'm trying to think of what I can say.
	There are a lot of things that have been stopped that we never know about.
	We never know about at all.
	And actually this is the kind of thing that the FBI and the CIA say all the time, and actually it's true.
	Go on.
	Didn't they put it down to Chinese hacking?
	Yes, I'm not convinced about that.
	I think, at first I thought...
	I think that my personal opinion is I think that was a diversion and it wasn't that at all.
	But I actually don't know.
	Yeah?
	It does seem very curious that, you know, if President Obama is getting ready to do a disclosure, we'll have such a big impact with these two events of positive converging at the same time.
	Well, I'll tell you something.
	I'm sorry, yeah.
	Can you repeat?
	Why don't you repeat it and you can stand up and shout and everything.
	I'm rather curious that if the Americans are preparing to disclose about extraterrestrial visitors at the end of the year that some other people may be trying to engineer a collapse, I wonder if there was a connection.
	Yeah.
	I think that's something that we talked about on record with Peterson.
	I actually can't remember.
	But, yeah, it's possible that that could be a diversion.
	Like, don't worry about the fact you haven't got any money.
	Isn't this interesting?
	These ETs are here.
	Or it could be the other way around.
	It could make people really confused and easier to control.
	And then, of course, if you are going to have...
	A disclosure of the ET presence.
	There are so many ways that that can be presented.
	I mean, it depends whether they tell the truth.
	It depends how they spin it.
	It depends whether it's got a religious bias to it.
	It depends whether they use the opportunity to say, these aren't rocket ships, they're powered by free energy, and this is how it works.
	You know, it could be used to transform the world, or it could be used as a control device.
	So...
	Sophia, yeah.
	It could be used.
	And what's really interesting here is that if something like that happens, then there are going to be a lot of voices from people like us and people like you and people who are...
	Working for genuine disclosure all over the world, many of whom we don't even know, who think that they really do have a picture, and then what happens when CNN spins the story, or what happens, you know, you see, and who's going to listen to who, and are we going to get us any kind of an opportunity to say anything there, or do we stay in the ghetto?
	That's quite an interesting question as to whether they bring us out to say, you've been saying this for 20 years.
	This is amazing.
	Now, here's the microphone.
	What do you have to say to the world?
	That would be wonderful.
	I don't know if it's going to happen.
	Sorry, Sophia.
	Do you think that they'll use the Nazarun bombings of October as a way to disclosure the UFO presence?
	I... What was the question?
	I didn't hear the question.
	I'm sorry, say it again.
	Well, I've been reading about the planned NASA moon bombings.
	The NASA plans to bomb the moon.
	Oh, okay, the NASA moon.
	I don't think that's...
	I don't think that's...
	I don't think that my personal feeling is not significant at all.
	I don't think that's significant.
	Barbara, isn't it?
	Have I got the name right?
	Barbara, yeah.
	To the possible crash in October or November, there is the material about Alternative 3.
	And if they give it to public that there probably are people from outer space, ETs, aliens, whatever, in my opinion, still it's a plan to use Possibly information for their own money system still.
	You know what I mean?
	So they come up, they show the people and say, okay, there are aliens from outer space.
	They come, they're friends, and they have free energy and whatever you want, but probably they have another name.
	I don't want to hear.
	I understand what you're saying.
	There's so many different ways that this could roll out.
	One of the reasons why we've taken the risk in saying this is because then somebody who knows more might read it and then say, okay, I can tell you more about this.
	This is how we build things.
	We put something out And then more people come in and say, yeah, I was involved in that project.
	We can hear a little bit more.
	And I want to tell you something that happened in this conference.
	It's anecdotal.
	There's a conversation I had yesterday with somebody who's here, not in this room.
	it's extremely interesting it's extremely interesting This is somebody who was abducted 20 years ago.
	And they were abducted with a very clear memory of what had happened.
	And they were given a very clear picture of a future timeline.
	And what they were shown was they were shown a public event that was, I believe it was a concert, like in a big open-air stadium, And they saw this very, very clearly.
	And there were hundreds of thousands of people there, or there were tens of thousands of people there, and television cameras, and so on and so forth.
	And then the craft came down.
	And then it couldn't be denied anymore.
	And for 20 years, this person has...
	Been looking around, because they didn't know when and they didn't know where.
	They just had the pictures of it.
	They just had the information about it, and it didn't seem to happen, and they couldn't correlate it with anything.
	They couldn't make it fit with anything that happened.
	And for 20 years, they thought that they were going crazy.
	And this year, they identified exactly where this is going to be.
	And this person said, my God, this is it.
	This is it.
	And it's in Florida, and it's the weekend of the 21st, 22nd of November this year.
	And she was shaking when I said that the date for Obama's revelation was the 27th of November.
	Because imagine the scenario that they come down.
	It can't be denied anymore.
	And then four or five days later, the president has to come out and say something.
	I mean, this is the kind of thing you'd write in a movie.
	You know, it's amazing information.
	It's anecdotal.
	It might not happen.
	I know about Internet rumors and Blossom Goodchild and the whole thing.
	I'm not really going to go there, but just because...
	It's interesting.
	I just thought that you might enjoy hearing that piece of information.
	it'd be quite nice if that happened V oh right I didn't know that.
	A re-release.
	That's okay.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	This is a television series about visitors.
	Which, I was actually hoping that the question that I read last night on the panel about the influence of Hollywood and TV series on seeding this information to popular culture, I was hoping it might be a more interesting discussion, actually.
	But that didn't go very far, and then I picked up the wrong piece of paper after that, so that was my own fault.
	Maybe this is interesting.
	Ten years ago, we had an interview with Virgil Armstrong.
	He was a former CIA.
	And we asked him about the thetoretically and the planet epics and the grace and so on.
	And then he came up and said, "I'm no more CIA." It's the same here.
	Some things are off record that you can't tell about.
	But I asked him, someday, when all this stuff comes up and people say, why?
	Never anybody of you has told us.
	And he said, oh yes, we did.
	we get it through the movie.
	Yes.
	Stargate, Star Trek, Star Wars, very important Star Wars and Stargate, the Stargate technology.
	B, visitors.
	There are so many things you can look at and think about.
	The X-Files.
	It's not the same but it's similar.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And that's exactly right.
	And it has a dual purpose because it gets this information into the popular culture so that when it all comes out, the shock will be less.
	And if you talk to the kids, anyone here who's got a teenager, you know, you talk to them about this stuff, it's...
	It's obvious that this stuff is real.
	It's like, come on, guys.
	You know, of course these guys are real.
	Of course they have this technology.
	Of course we're being visited.
	It's obvious to these guys.
	They've got video games that they've been playing ever since there were three, you know, which contains all of this information.
	But the other part of this is that It's also like a sort of fuse in the circuit because if anybody comes out and says, hey, listen, you know, I can tell you all about the Stargate technology that they're really using, then it can be used to discredit them because they say, come on, that was just a TV series.
	What drugs have you been taking?
	So that's also a protection.
	It serves a dual purpose depending on how they want to play the hand of cards, which is quite interesting.
	Hang on, Christina.
	Klaus?
	Yeah.
	I guess the first TV series was from the early 70s, which is called UFO, or Shadow if you remember, which has a very interesting background because Shadow is the abbreviation in the series for Supreme Headquarters and the alien defense organization.
	So the main track, or if you like, storyline of this TV series, Thank you.
	Jerry Anderson, which later in the 70s launched Moonbase Alpha, if you remember.
	It's the same producer.
	Yes, okay, yeah.
	Jerry Anderson.
	Yeah, I remember.
	Yes, yeah.
	There's a lot of good stuff there, that's quite right.
	And of course the other person who did a lot to start sowing this information into the culture was Arthur C. Clarke.
	And we just missed him.
	We just missed him.
	We were in touch with his administrator in Colombo, Sri Lanka.
	We were going to go there.
	We knew that he wouldn't be around for very long.
	And we thought that we had a way to get to him.
	And he died.
	And so we really missed that one.
	It's a great shame.
	But we have been told by other people that he knew a lot of stuff from the inside.
	And from the very first moment that we met Henry Deacon, he said, you have got to talk to Arthur C. Clarke.
	And one of the reasons for that is because I think this is on the site...
	Henry told us that the story about the discovery of the black monolith on the moon in the movie 2001, that was essentially true.
	That they did discover something and it was detected through magnetic anomalies in a particular place and then they did find an artifact and then they did build a base over it.
	I don't know what the artifact was, but apparently all of this stuff is pretty much true.
	And Henry keeps on talking to us about Europa.
	As well.
	But we don't know what's there.
	Christina?
	I just wanted to add, it's not only in the film industry, it's actually a lot of things are in the main media.
	What I invite all of you to do, and you're all curious people, otherwise wouldn't be here, is we have this wonderful tool, we still have it, and hope, I mean, I'm looking at three, might not look like it, but I have always And many of you speak various languages.
	So go and read the big newspapers of this world.
	Don't only read Western newspapers.
	Go in the Times of India.
	Go in the Indonesian papers.
	Go in any, I mean, in Israel.
	Go in Russia.
	I mean, read Pravda, English Pravda.
	There is a lot of information in there.
	And copy these articles.
	I mean, you can copy them and put them on your laptop, and you start seeing a big jigsaw.
	And it is a very interesting job to do during your free time.
	Read these things.
	Go in the daily press, and you will see bits and pieces all over.
	And this is the method of the human being.
	In fact, they don't like you.
	They don't like you.
	They tell you the truth.
	They're treated in a lot of wrong stuff.
	That's...
	Yeah, sorry.
	This is exactly...
	Yeah.
	This is exactly right.
	And the reason why I jumped on that is because it reminded me of something else that Peterson said.
	And every now and then I'm going to be reminded of things.
	He confirmed what we had suspected for a very long time.
	Of course, a lot of people said that it's part of the ritual operation of the Illuminati that they have to It's in their code of operation that they must tell people what they're going to do.
	And they do.
	But then they say, if you're too stupid to figure it out, then it's your own responsibility.
	So they do it that way.
	And it's a little bit like one of those scenes you get in a James Bond movie, when the villain says, OK, Mr.
	Bond, now we are going to kill you.
	You know.
	It's a free will.
	It's a free will.
	OK? I think the Illuminati in a way,
	I mean yesterday I made the reference and I think also in my presentation on Friday afternoon, I made a reference to the fact that There's a real opportunity here for us individually and for the human race collectively to grow from this experience.
	This is the stone that sharpens the knife.
	This is what can make us all smarter and better.
	And if David Wilcock is correct about accelerated evolution that has got nothing to do with natural selection, and I think he is, then in response to this environment here, the human race can...
	Can somehow pick itself up by its bootstraps and rise to the occasion and become much smarter, much more aware.
	And to some degree, this challenge which is being presented to us by these so-called opponents, they may be doing us a favor.
	Because if we don't get challenged, then we don't grow.
	And I meant what I said yesterday when I said that, you know what, this is just a whole load of fun.
	And...
	I think it's a wonderful game, and a game is always more fun if you're playing against a good opponent.
	If it's too easy, then it's no fun at all.
	So I personally have that attitude, and I encourage you to think of it that way, because that kind of lifts us out of this human drama, because none of us are human beings, really.
	That's just a cover story for who we really are.
	John.
	I'm not sure.
	But isn't there a third purpose for the Hollywood movies in the way they're bringing out this information and so on?
	And that is to color the entire terrestrial, extraterrestrial relationship as a military one.
	As militarized and extraterrestrials as somehow dangerous and that we need to feed our military industrial complex so that we can be on a par with them when we finally are out there.
	Yeah, I'm sure there are military agendas which I can't pretend to understand.
	There seems to be...
	Let me think of how I can say here.
	One of the things that Peterson didn't want us to talk about was stuff that legitimately relates to US national defence.
	Weapon systems, advanced weapon systems.
	He told us some stuff that I'm still trying to digest.
	It's like, could that really be true?
	The point is not how technical and so long we can get.
	The point is whether we need to be that violent, whether we need to be that militarized.
	Sure.
	I like the Star Trek movie.
	The last Star Trek movie.
	You saw that one.
	It really was going like preparing us for something.
	Giving the audience already the information.
	So they're getting misled.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	I mean...
	Another thing that Peterson did say, and I think I referenced this on Friday, was he said that not all the ETs are friendly.
	He said most of them are friendly, but not all of them are.
	And this was one of his personal reasons for continuing to help the government, though he didn't like them.
	He said, they need my help, he said, because they've got problems.
	This is what he said.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	I think that's the most important question, and I don't know the answer to that.
	I just don't know the answer to that.
	But yeah, it could be spun in any way at all.
	And what we do know for sure, what everyone in this room knows, I think, is that fear is used as a way to control people because it disempowers people.
	If you make someone afraid, you sort of make them smaller and then they start deferring to authority and they start saying, oh, save me, save me, I can't do it myself.
	And it's all the stuff to do with, you know, I need a vaccination from some authority figure because I can't handle my own health.
	It's this lie that we are told over and over and over again that we can't handle things ourselves.
	You know, this is one of the control structures, and fear is used to drive us into this small state, and that's just not true.
	It's not who we are.
	You mean 9-11?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Well, yeah, to some degree. .
	Sure, I mean, that's how it was used. .
	Well, maybe 15% didn't.
	And actually, it's an interesting thing, because it sort of feels like...
	Fifteen percent just say, come on, you know, that's just a fairy story.
	If you go out here, one person in seven or one person in six will probably say, of course it was an inside job.
	Maybe even more than that.
	And that's quite a lot of people.
	Yeah?
	This is what we heard from our friend.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	This was the...
	What I must do, actually, for the video is repeat the question.
	So, thank you.
	Yeah.
	The question was, maybe we have to disclose because they're going to make an appearance anyway, which dovetails into this interesting story about November 21st, 22nd in Florida.
	But our...
	One of our very first witnesses, a guy who we called, rather unfortunately, Mr.
	X. That's a terrible name.
	It wasn't our idea.
	That came from Jerry Pippin, who's got a wonderful sense of humor.
	I wish he hadn't done that.
	He was a wonderful man, and he was a close friend.
	And And he said, and I'm certain that this is reliable information, I spent a long time talking with him about this, he had seen government documents back in something like 1985, That made reference to, he thinks it was, from his best memory he has, is that he thinks it was the year 2010, maybe 2011.
	But he said that it was known then that These visitors would start making clear public appearances, and that basically a lot of what's been happening between now and then has been to try and prepare the human race for that transition as much as possible, because if they didn't, they were going to come down anyway.
	That's what he said.
	He said he'd read this stuff in documents, and it's plausible.
	John, sorry, Paul.
	When you heard about this, what information did you get about which aliens would be coming down?
	He didn't say he didn't know.
	What he did say over and over again is that there's an old movie.
	It's a terrible movie.
	It's called Hangar 18.
	It's dreadful.
	But he said there's a huge amount of truth in that movie.
	What he...
	What he read in documents corresponded to a lot of the storyline in that movie.
	In the back, I'm sorry, I haven't met you and I don't know your name.
	Thomas?
	- - 2012, yeah.
	- And about the thing with . - Yeah.
	- Do you think that's . - It probably is.
	I mean, what do you think?
	I don't know anything about this.
	I'd like to tell you a story that was told to me, and I believe that this is On record by Linda Melton Howe, because we were having a conversation about the influence of, sorry, the connections between Hollywood and the intelligence agencies.
	She told me that she had arranged to have a personal meeting with Somebody who she described as a famous Hollywood director.
	She didn't tell me the name.
	And she was told to go to a particular location, and she was expecting to go to this guy's house or a restaurant or something, you know.
	And she went, following her map and the directions, and she ended up at a military compound, you know, with these big gates and these barbed wire and guns and guards and all this kind of stuff, and she thought she was in the wrong place.
	And she apologized to this guard who was at this gatehouse and said, look, I'm awfully sorry.
	I think I'm in the wrong direction here, but this is what this letter says.
	And the guard says, thank you, Mrs.
	Howe.
	We're expecting you.
	Please come on in.
	And she was in the middle of this huge installation.
	And there was this director, this Hollywood director, who was right in the middle of all of this lot.
	And that was...
	I do not know who it was.
	I can guess, but I just don't know.
	And that's a very interesting story for me, but I don't think that surprises anyone.
	It's just a cool story.
	Yeah, hi.
	I just wanted to ask if the person that was abducted and said about the Florida things, did you mention which aliens abducted them?
	No.
	But only because I didn't ask.
	Yeah.
	That person is here at that conference and I believe is probably very happy to tell that story.
	I'd actually like to get her on interview because it's an incredible story.
	And it feels important, but I want to be careful because I don't want to go creating another Blossom Goodchild thing because that doesn't help anybody, you see.
	That doesn't help anybody at all.
	Barbara?
	For a contact with ETs, what about this Directive No.
	1 that is shown in all cities?
	Do not get in contact with people they are not able, for example, to have war?
	So they had invented a special kind of technology that shows that they are on a level of a conscience that shows that they are able to handle technology like that.
	Technology that brings you through the galaxy from one point to the other point and Up to this moment, whenever there were a contact to the people from Earth, they took the technology and would have taken it and made a weapon out.
	You know, this special point.
	There must be a level of conscience on this planet that they can get in contact.
	Otherwise, it's not so witty.
	You know what I mean?
	Sure.
	It's directed, not one call.
	The contact with people from planets, they don't have a special kind of technology.
	It could, yeah, sure.
	It could be.
	The question is, did we now come to this level?
	This was my question.
	In case that happened.
	Maybe, but the point is, if I understand your question correctly, this technology is probably being misused.
	It's probably being misused.
	Something that Jake Simpson told us, one of our most important witnesses...
	I had this extraordinary experience, which I did write up on the internet, of, well, let me tell the story from the start.
	When we were talking casually, I'd ask him a question, and he would seem to be sort of scanning around, and then he'd wait, And he wouldn't say anything.
	He'd change the subject.
	And then 10 minutes later he'd answer the question.
	Or maybe 15 minutes later he'd answer the question.
	Sometimes he'd answer the question straight away.
	But after a short time, I asked him what he was doing, because it was obvious that it was like he was checking whether there was somebody listening or not.
	Now, I didn't know what was happening, but I knew that that was what he was trying to do, and he confirmed that, but he just said, I just have to wait for the right time.
	And I met him over a period of days, and then late one night, Really late one night, and Kerry wasn't there because she'd gone to bed, and this was about 2 o'clock in the morning, and we were having a barbecue out in the open in the back garden of his rented house.
	And it was going to be the last evening I was going to have to talk with him, and he just said, to hell with it, I'm going to tell you some stuff anyway.
	And he started to talk to me about some things.
	And as he started to talk, he had more and more trouble forming his words and concentrating.
	And it was like he was trying to swim through mud or go through a rubber wall or something.
	And I was falling asleep at that time.
	Whatever he was telling me was really interesting, but I was just falling asleep.
	And I said, there's something weird happening here.
	And he said, yes, he said, you bet there is.
	There's something, you know, he said, they don't want me to talk and they don't want you to listen.
	And he carried on talking to me.
	And then, later on, at 4 o'clock in the morning or something, I staggered off to bed and I woke up and I couldn't remember any of it at all.
	I remembered what had happened, but I couldn't remember any of the details.
	I still can't remember.
	And I met him at breakfast.
	I said, you know what?
	That's weird stuff that happened last night.
	I can't remember it.
	And he said, it's probably just as well.
	I still don't know what he told me.
	And I didn't record it.
	Now, so...
	I said to him, you know, what is this thing?
	What is this?
	You know, I mean, are we being...
	Is this...
	Is this electromagnetic?
	Is there some sort of electromagnetic interference?
	Is this being done with microwave technology?
	And he said it's an artificial intelligence that works in hyperspace.
	He said, this is more advanced than anything, than anyone would believe.
	He said, it's a human enhancement of alien technology, and he said, even the ETs are unhappy that we've got this.
	He said, this can be used as a way of getting information from anyone, anywhere.
	All the things got to do is focus.
	If you know who you want to listen to, then you can hear them, even going retrospectively back in time.
	His actual words were, he said, if we wanted to find out what Julius Caesar's last words were, we could check it out.
	That's what he said.
	And that's too much power.
	That's too much power.
	And that corresponds with what Henry Deacon told me personally.
	When we first met him, about an experience which I had had talking to somebody, interestingly enough, also in Thailand, who is a very, very interesting man.
	And this is a story which I haven't published.
	It's not particularly significant, but it's just a fun story.
	And this guy who'd worked on the inside had waited until we were walking along the beach to tell me his particular story.
	He didn't want to do it inside our apartment or anywhere where there were walls or a roof.
	He waited until we were walking along the beach, and Henry said, it wouldn't make any difference.
	Henry...
	It was Henry who was the first person who really told us that if they want to know, you know, what you're thinking, what you're talking, they will know.
	And some of you may remember that this was something that Stephen Greer reported on in one of his books when he was talking about his early experiences back in the 1990s when he was getting phone calls from people in Washington and Langley,
	Virginia and he didn't really know he was talking to and and and he had someone some source some government guy some intel guy who was talking to him on the phone and then Greer said to him well If I want to talk to you, how do I do it?
	And he was just told, just talk to the wall.
	Just talk to the wall, we'll message it.
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	There are so many questions that I don't know the answer to.
	I have to say here, and I regard Dan as a personal friend, and I know that he's very good-hearted, but he doesn't know everything.
	He absolutely does not.
	He's been very compartmentalized.
	There's stuff that he doesn't know.
	He still thinks 9-11 was done by terrorists with box-cutters.
	Really?
	Yeah, he does.
	Because he's been deeply compartmentalized.
	And his understanding of what could be called conspiracy theory actually is naive.
	And I mean that not in an insulting way.
	I mean that like actually he's just starting to realize what's going on.
	And he knows an awful lot about what he's been exposed to, but he doesn't know anything about anything else at all.
	Who is he?
	I missed it.
	Who is he?
	Dan Beerish I'm talking about.
	Yeah.
	Good question.
	The implication was that it's also connected with our thoughts.
	I have a...
	I have a horrible feeling that actually there is no privacy at all.
	If they really want to know, they can get in there.
	Who are they?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But what I do want to say, and this actually is the more It's the most important message, and I know that some of you in this room will understand, that probably for millions of years we've been at a sort of physical level...
	People or beings with bodies working with technologies, like the kinds of things we've been talking about in high technologies, we've been playing this game, and it goes on forever.
	Literally, almost forever.
	The only resolution to these issues must lie at a spiritual level, in my opinion.
	That's the only way.
	Because otherwise, if you use technology to defeat technology and you try and run and hide from the microphones and you develop shielding devices and blah blah blah, I mean, it just goes on forever and nothing ever finishes.
	Because you're just compounding the game.
	You've got to lift yourself out of this at a spiritual level and handle the whole thing from a higher viewpoint, is my personal conviction about that.
	Now everyone's getting excited.
	Go on.
	So, if we lift our frequencies, they can catch our thoughts or witness the device?
	I'll tell you what I mean by that.
	Okay.
	I know that some of you in this room will understand.
	There was a situation a few weeks ago when Ruth and myself were being attacked by microwave weapons.
	I couldn't prove it.
	I didn't have a physical detector.
	But we both independently...
	Identified what was happening.
	We felt that we could perceive it using what you might call remote viewing.
	And so we got in touch with the source of this telepathically.
	We did some handling on a telepathic level.
	We found the guy.
	We could see his picture.
	We knew his name.
	We saw the building where he was operating.
	He was one of these guys and so on and so forth.
	And he's just Like a cog in a big machine, you know, and then he had his controllers, and you handle it and handle it, and it took a couple of hours, and a lot of people might think, well, this is all crazy, but it stopped, you know, because this is what I was connected with,
	sorry, this is connected with what I was saying, I think it was yesterday, that, yes, it was, it was in the panel discussion yesterday, that if you're being attacked by somebody, they've got a problem.
	You've got a problem because you're being attacked because they've got a problem because they're doing something unethical.
	And one of the things to remember about anyone who's doing something unethical is that they are trying to solve their own problem.
	Somebody who steals from you is trying to solve a problem.
	Somebody who kills you is trying to solve a problem.
	Somebody who's trying to blow up the planet is trying to solve a problem.
	And so if you can get behind that and say, hey, listen, you know, this isn't a very constructive way to solve your problem.
	What is your problem?
	Tell me about your problem.
	And if you get right into that, then eventually what you get is you just get somebody who's a naked spiritual being who's saying, you know what, I'm upset.
	And then you find out why they're upset, and then if you handle that upset so they feel better, just like you're talking to a friend, then they stop trying to blow up the planet or kill you.
	And then they say, hey, thanks a bunch, I feel better now.
	Now, I'm not trying to trivialize it.
	There are all kinds of techniques to do this, and believe me, they work.
	And I know that there are a lot of people all over the planet who are working on this level.
	Now, no technology can touch that, because that's not operating at a physical level.
	And in my personal opinion, this is why things are getting better on this planet, because there are a lot of people right here, right now, and also a lot of beings who don't have bodies, who are saying, okay, come on, look, you're all upset, let's hear the story.
	You know, what's really going on?
	You know, and actually...
	If there's one thing that I would like to say that everyone takes away with them, forget all the sexy stuff about all the technology and all the intrigue and all the black ops.
	That's the most important thing, because that's the truth.
	That's how to handle anything.
	So, thank you for your question.
	Shin.
	Shin's the guy who's come from Australia.
	He's at the middle of the night now.
	Can you cite a good source to learn the skills?
	Sheehan was asking about a good source to remote view.
	Okay, I don't mind saying this on camera.
	Pete Peterson said, don't pay any attention to Ed Dames.
	Okay.
	To Ed Dames.
	Ed Dames has a nickname called, I guess it is, Dr.
	Doom.
	Yeah, sure.
	It was one movie.
	We know a lot of people who know Ingo, but we can't get to Ingo.
	Ingo doesn't talk to anyone anymore.
	We would love to talk to Ingo.
	We haven't quite given up yet.
	But yeah, sure.
	Ingo is a wonderful man, I think.
	A very sensitive man.
	What Pete Peterson told us, and thanks for remembering...
	Pete Peterson said that Ingo was always right.
	He was always right.
	And he worked with those guys.
	He knew.
	Yeah, Barbara.
	I have a question.
	I mean, this stuff is very interesting, but you brought it to a level of ethical thing and spiritual.
	I have a question to the Montauk project in this whole...
	In a general manner.
	Yeah.
	And they were playing around with time.
	Yeah.
	And they changed something.
	Yeah.
	What kind of changing is this?
	Does it still have an effect on our timeline, or is it...
	We had...
	Five minutes before, change the tape.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go on.
	Here's something which we never publicized.
	This is a fantastic story.
	We were contacted by somebody who was involved in the Montauk project, or one of the Montauk projects, because Henry always wants to say Montauk projects, so I have to remember to say that.
	Back in something like 1984, and he said that back...
	Sorry, this isn't Henry, this is our source, told us that in 1984, They had seen that in 2008, last year, there would be food riots all over the world.
	And he, our source, was working.
	His job was to try and create certain timelines.
	He was in some Some psychically determining way interfacing with this technology.
	I don't know how it works.
	But what he had been working on was something that he had been told was called the King George scenario.
	This is great.
	They call it King George.
	Okay.
	George meaning George Bush.
	Okay.
	The King George scenario.
	And a king...
	Stays as the king.
	The king Doesn't get re-elected.
	The king doesn't step down after four years or eight years.
	The king is the king until he dies.
	And what he said they were trying to do in 1984 was they were trying to establish a future reality, a future timeline, in which events would occur in the year 2008, which would result in George Bush staying in office forever.
	And some of you will remember that there was discussion about this kind of possibility.
	It kind of felt like it might have happened.
	There were all kinds of things that were published.
	By the US government, I think it was in March or May last year, I've got the date, May the 9th, I can't remember, about continuity of government.
	And people picked it up and it's like, wait a minute, what are they saying this for?
	What are they trying to prepare us for?
	What's all this about continuity of government?
	And we got really concerned about this because we'd heard about all of this stuff, about the King George scenario, but we never published it.
	And then, it didn't happen.
	It really didn't happen.
	We didn't even get Hillary.
	I don't know whether what we've got is better or not, but things changed.
	And what this suggests to me, very strongly, is that for a long time there have been trying to manipulate these timelines, but they don't always work.
	They really don't always work.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't think it works anymore.
	That's a beautiful way of putting it.
	And my personal opinion about why it doesn't work anymore is because there is now a critical mass of individuals operating on this planet who have high spiritual abilities who are...
	I mean, I don't want to use the word frequency and vibration because it makes me sound like a hippie.
	But...
	But they're doing something to raise the level of free will of the people to the degree when, you know what, things just don't work out the way that they're planned.
	We're not being controlled as we were.
	Now, I don't know where this is going, but I do think things are getting better.
	And in this respect, I do fully support everything that David Wilcock says.
	And this is where we're in very strong alignment.
	David Wilcock...
	Is convinced that we have the keys to the future in our own hands.
	Dan Burish says this.
	David Icke says this now.
	Everyone we know is saying this, but they're saying this with different angles and different perspectives.
	And this is the message that we want to give, as you know, because this is what I've been saying.
	I don't think they can control us anymore.
	But we do have to be aware of what's happening, and we do have to know what we want.
	And so...
	What this conference is about, and many other conferences and discussions all over the world, many of which we don't know about, it's a sort of grassroots movement that's saying, let's create the world that we want.
	You know, let's create a new world, let's create a new civilization, let's create anything that we want is ours to take if we want it, and hence the title of the conference.
	Do I have to stop talking?
	Right.
	Okay.
	APPLAUSE Who would like to have a five-minute break?
	You're welcome.
	Okay.
	Let's take a break.
	Let's be back as soon as we can.
	I don't have to stop at 12 o'clock sharp.
	Okay?
	Okay, let's go.
	Okay, ladies and gentlemen, here we go.
	I've promised leave from Norway who wants to say something about...
	The topic of predictions.
	The reason why predictions, why they're not so easily predictable anymore, may not be primarily on Earth.
	We have tended to look at planet Earth as a closed system And perhaps it has been, but two years ago, I believe it was July, two years ago, a huge breach in our magnetosphere appeared.
	Four times the diameter of planet Earth.
	And the magnetosphere has been kind of shielding us from energy, from the cosmos.
	And now, planet Earth is wide open to receiving this incoming energy.
	And this incoming energy, I believe, has a higher frequency and that changes the game Here on planet Earth.
	And I believe this is the reason why we now can easier raise our frequencies and control our lives the way we want them to be.
	Thank you.
	That fits with David Wilcox's material from his presentation yesterday.
	I believe there is truth in there.
	I think the reasons are complicated, and that's probably a factor.
	Absolutely, I agree with you.
	Christina?
	May I just add in a sentence which Bob Dean made some 20 years ago at the UFO conference in Syria?
	20 years ago, Bob Dean, who was here, who's a very dear person, as all of you know, said, one thing you all have to remember.
	We are God in amnesia.
	We, our son, are gods in amnesia.
	Gods in amnesia.
	And I found that such a good sentence.
	We have forgotten who we are.
	That would be a good title for a book, wouldn't it?
	I find the same book very impressive.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	That's great.
	If anybody...
	By the way, this reminds me of something which I want to plug.
	I want to promote.
	The Barcelona ExoPolitics Summit, which is happening in two weekends from now, I believe.
	Yes, it is two weekends from now.
	Rob's going to be there, aren't you, Rob?
	Sure.
	Kerry Cassidy and myself have been invited to go there.
	We're not going to be speaking, but we have the opportunity to interview, well, not to interview, to record a video conversation with all of the nine speakers there, which is going to be quite challenging, actually, because...
	Having nine people all in a conversation could be problematic, as we saw last night, but it could also be very interesting.
	And what reminded me of that is that Bob Dean will be there.
	It's possible that this may be his last conference, but we just don't know, because...
	Because he keeps on coming back for more and he keeps on getting energized and he's a wonderful man and he's a dear friend.
	If any of you can make it to Barcelona, it'd be very nice to see you there.
	Hugh?
	I'd like to just mention two things.
	I'd like to go all the way back to a remarkable gentleman made about the militarization of our mindset.
	There seems to be such a hunger for a new paradigm.
	It's like the world is weary of this kind of male fighting and the whole scenario of the aliens as being dangerous, etc.
	Okay, we've got But I just think that, you know, you go back to Woodstock and all the surges, you know, you said about being a hypnotist.
	You know, but there is a worldwide hunger for a new way to start.
	Talking about the artificial intelligence in hyperspace, it just reminded me of Anastasia, whatever anybody thinks about the Anastasia books coming out of Russia, whether it's fact or fiction, there is a wonderful, if you like,
	model of humanity, and this woman is tapping into what we might call the Akashic Records or whatever, and is able, without any machines or devices, because of the period Yeah,
	I think that's a very good point.
	I think...
	Well, I'm as sure as I can be that that's a fictional person.
	But what he was talking about is the Anastasia stories from Russia.
	I'm as sure as I can be that that's a fictional person, but it doesn't mean it's not an important story and an important message.
	And the fact that so many people all over the world have responded to that tell us that it's the kind of message that they need to hear.
	And the importance of this message isn't that there's one person with special abilities and let's have them be the next guru.
	Actually, this is something that we can all do.
	This is accessible to all of us.
	And it's an inspiring model for a way that we can live our lives and relate to each other and relate to the world.
	And I think that's its value.
	And the fact that so many people have responded to it means that it's time for people to listen to these inspiring models.
	And I think there are a lot of them as well.
	Yeah?
	I was just wondering, maybe this is a select question, but do you think that's why they're chemtrailing?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We have not had anyone talk to us about chemtrails.
	I do not know what they're doing.
	Christina Here has done a lot of research.
	Raise your hand so that people can see who you are.
	Christina is one of many people in the world who has done a lot of research about what is clearly a very important subject.
	And I don't know whether we dare go into that here because there's a lot to talk about.
	Say something briefly in summary, but I don't know what they're trying to do.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	I'm just trying to make it very brief, and I think it's an important thing for you to tell.
	I'm in aviation, so I know the difference between commercial aircraft and anything else.
	This is my background.
	I'm somebody, I've been abducted many times, I had some very frightening experiences, and I can relate very well to Dan, because I know what he experienced and I could see his face, and it relates directly to what I experienced.
	And I've also been told a number of things by the ETs about our planet and our planet's future if we do not care for this planet.
	Because of my interest in UFOs and in aircraft, this is where I work in airlines, I've been looking all my life at the sky.
	Or rather, I always have the feeling, what do I do down here?
	It's more that way around, and I said, like, you remember the film?
	I want to go home!
	This is a joke.
	I want to go home.
	This is my home.
	At my job.
	I've been observing in this country That since we have joined United Nations, which many people in this country in fact were very reluctant to do, but somehow it happened, that we have aircraft activities in the sky, usually over weekends when many people are out, and usually when we have the most beautiful summer weather.
	I'm somebody hiking, I'm not doing the type of hikes you do.
	Grindelwald, I stay below level, not up there.
	You can see a very clear pattern of something which looks like a chessboard.
	Usually it starts already very early in the morning because these aircraft come in during night time.
	We have a no-fly restriction here for civil aircraft between 2,200 and 6 in the morning.
	So it's not civil aircraft.
	They come in very early in the morning, usually between 4 and 5.
	When you get up on Sunday mornings, very early like I do, usually at 6 o'clock, you start seeing these very regular trails in the sky and usually they look like a chessboard.
	What they do, I mean a normal condensation trail is made of vapor.
	And this, depending on the altitude, on the climate, on the winds, on the temperature, disappear in a period between about a few seconds and at most 20 seconds, and then they go.
	Actually, you can observe, if you look at the sky, the aircraft with normal so-called contrails, which means condensation trails, this disappears, okay?
	But what are they trying to do?
	What are they trying to do?
	I'm just trying to...
	Look more in the skies because I need your help as well because it happens all over the northern hemisphere.
	What they do with these, they are special aircraft, they're fitted with special pots where the exhaust comes, exhausts pods, and they have chemicals on board of these aircraft which spray at an altitude of about 12,000 meters.
	A very dangerous cocktail of things like aluminium, Barium?
	Arsenic?
	I mean, I could tell you a whole hell of a lot of horrid things which are in there.
	And the primary reason why they do that, they don't say officially.
	I mean, I could tell you a story of what happened to me with the local governments, the Green Party, you name it, you have it.
	Nobody wants to know.
	Everybody says you're crazy.
	But everybody sees it, everybody has dripping eyes, has allergy, has lung problems, has nose bleeding, has stomach aches, but this doesn't relate to that.
	What it does, primarily, is alter the weather.
	These weather-altering programs have started very early ago, actually just after the war.
	If you remember certain things like Beijing Olympic Games, the Chinese said, we will guarantee nice weather.
	How can you guarantee something if you do not own the weather?
	If you cannot manipulate it?
	The same thing happened in Moscow.
	The Russians a few years ago said, we will guarantee good weather.
	So this means the military or whoever that is, I mean it goes by the military, can alter weather.
	And because our planet is heating up, some crazies are trying to find methods to prevent the sun to become too hot on the surface.
	So what they have thought of is to do an artificial shield of aluminium Which is placed at a certain altitude.
	Sun comes down, of course, and this can be found in the water, on your vegetables, on all you eat.
	At a certain altitude, which would reflect back the sun.
	This means they sink.
	The heat of the sun will be reflected back into the atmosphere and not coming back down.
	And this is actually one of the reasons why it's done also on the northern hemisphere.
	The other thing, I mean, this is the official, unofficial reason why they do it.
	This is a weather-altering program.
	They have many other applications.
	One application is a military application.
	RTL, the German television, has briefly, in a news edition, said they call this DUPLA. I mean, they have admitted finally that they're doing something and it's to hide certain aircraft activities from the radar.
	What it also does, because some of the ideas of the Illuminati, some we discussed about ET disclosure, And some people want to frighten us about these ETs.
	What you can do when you've got this suspension, you cannot, with beam technology, you're able to do 3D projections into the sky.
	You can actually face an ET attack.
	You can do God in the sky talking to you.
	I have films here where you see two very big eyes looking at you.
	This was a test done in Russia just recently.
	It says in the Bible, when the times come, you will see a cross in heaven.
	I mean, a cross in heaven is probably what the Maya said, the crossing between the galaxy to the center of the galaxy.
	That's probably what they meant.
	I don't know.
	But I imagine it has to do with this.
	You will see a huge cross in the sky.
	They can project these things in the sky.
	They will show you Jesus, you know, or Buddha, or I don't know, in the sky.
	So this technology allows you to do 3D projections in the sky.
	What these sprays also include is fitness.
	They're very, very thin.
	They look actually like...
	You know, how shall I call this?
	I mean your heart, spider necks.
	And when you look, when they're spraying very heavily, these things actually come down and you see them, it's glittering and it hangs on the trees, it hangs everywhere.
	Don't touch these things.
	Don't touch it.
	It's full of fungus.
	I'm sure it's full of viruses and bacteria.
	So if, I mean, some people talk sincere to having to reduce the population by about 2 billion because this planet simply cannot bear all the people and these males to feed, eventually their crazy idea is to eliminate so and so many people by strains.
	I mean, I'm in contact with a lot of people around the world who are fighting for these things, and we're getting slowly, slowly forward, but it's a very tough job, I tell you, and you're really being heavily attacked because we disclosed these things.
	We're just about preparing a film for Swiss television where we hope Something happens.
	I've given an interview to Blick here, which is really the, like, the sun of the star in the UK, which everybody reads, and I don't know how you're, bliss in certain countries in Europe, and this big newspaper is actually, the journalist who's done the interview with me lost his job.
	Just to tell you, and this is Switzerland, this is not the United States.
	So, and these are just a few applications.
	So we have to fight those things and if you see this in your countries happening, approach your political people, approach the party, approach whoever you can and try to fight for this.
	And other very practical thing, when you see these things in the sky, don't take your kids out.
	Don't do a lot of sports and when you come home, shower and wash your hair.
	Because your body is full of it.
	Just a good question.
	I've heard some I can give you a website for all of you to go and look in.
	It's the best website in the world, I would say.
	It's got huge information.
	Some of it might be very technical, some of it is very easy to understand, and there are very good videos published on this site.
	It's www Do you want to write it on there?
	There's an image which I'm trying to find.
	This is something that I'm just saying to Irene.
	Do you know In the ground crew room, could you find me my red case with the wheels on?
	There's an image that I'd love to show you.
	I have my laptop here.
	Maybe during the break, if somebody wants to see how this stuff looks, I can show you.
	I have something for you to your exploration.
	Thank you.
	A third or fourth application.
	The light from the sun is also changing.
	I guess it...
	Yes, it is.
	It is, yeah.
	It is.
	And this is one of the things we develop our minds up to and it's not possible.
	It's a bleaching of the sky which they want to achieve.
	It's bleaching out.
	I mean, if you go into that website, anybody of you understand me in English, but I must tell you there is also now websites in Germany.
	In Austria, in Italy, in France, all over Europe, I mean, people, we're getting together to fight that thing, and you find the information on the websites.
	Actually, for you, for your countries, for those of you who do, I guess everybody understands English, as we have no translation here, but, I mean, you can also go to the local pages of your country.
	You just go on a search, on Google search, and you put in the word chemtrails.
	And you find...
	This is the abbreviation for chemical traits, compared to chemtrails, which are the normal ones.
	Thank you.
	So chemtrails is condensation, this is normal, and chemtrails is this new stuff.
	Can you tell us something about the possible connection between chemtrails and heart and maybe some kind of mind control?
	Well, I think it goes very far out with...
	I'm not here to give my own presentation, so I think I've given you the information which you need.
	The answer to your question about HAARP, go in here.
	I mean, there is-- Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's fine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Regarding HAARP, all I can say about that is that we had it confirmed by Henry, who's an electronics specialist, Henry Deacon.
	He referred to HAARP as an all-purpose handy-dandy tool.
	The exact words that he used, meaning that it's used for all kinds of different things, including what it says it's used for and a whole bunch of stuff which it's not publicly revealed that it's used for.
	And there does seem to be good evidence that one of those purposes includes individually targeted mind control.
	I want to support what Christina was saying about the Carnicom site.
	It's the best single source of information that there is.
	There's an image which I want to find.
	It's on an external disk that I actually got from the Carnicom site.
	What it shows, it shows A so-called black aircraft is certainly one of ours.
	It's round.
	It looks like a UFO. It's very clearly visible, and it is creating a chemtrail.
	It's actually one of the best chemtrail pictures I've seen, but it's also one of the best black aircraft pictures I've seen, and these two things are doing the same thing.
	You had a question a while back.
	Yes, it brings us back to the situation that you left just before the break.
	You talked about the purpose of it all, the game.
	And it seems to me that there is some kind of How shall I put it?
	It seems to me as if there is a...
	I will not call it a fight, but a game more.
	Who is to be the stronger?
	We seem to be designed to control or run or manage the universe.
	But who is the strongest?
	The machines that humans can create or the human alone in itself?
	It seems to be that there is some kind of game going on there.
	Who is to be the strongest?
	Yeah.
	The human being itself, alone, or with the help of machines created externally.
	I don't know if it makes sense.
	If I understand your question correctly, and you're saying, you know, which is the strongest, Anything that's connected with technology and the human being.
	It's completely clear to me that the human being is stronger.
	And the reason for that, it's not because of these frail bodies that only live for a few years.
	It's because of What Arthur Koestler called the ghost in the machine.
	It's our spiritual...
	So don't say the being, say the being.
	The being, yeah, absolutely.
	We are beings in a body, and we're godlike beings.
	We have tremendous capacities which we've forgotten all about, and the real game is rediscovering and reclaiming and reattaining those abilities.
	That is exactly what I am also aiming at.
	In theory, this is the difference between theory and practice.
	It won't help anything if we are theoretically stronger.
	We have to put it into practice.
	Well, sure.
	And what I was saying earlier was that...
	It's the same as you said earlier.
	An interesting game towards a worthy opponent.
	Sure.
	If you win by a close run.
	Yeah.
	So there's a...
	There's some kind of essence in this.
	Sure.
	I'm convinced.
	I'm completely convinced.
	I would even go so far as to say that I know that there is a huge amount of spiritual activity which isn't about fighting, because as I was saying yesterday, The idea of a spiritual warrior is actually a contradiction.
	I know what a warrior really means, but the idea of somebody who fights and tries to destroy and tries to use force, there's nothing spiritual about that.
	But what people, what beings with high spiritual abilities can do is they can resolve these situations.
	And there are techniques, and these techniques are known.
	They are practiced.
	They're practiced by people all over the world.
	There are different variations on these techniques.
	There are lamas in Tibet who have been doing this kind of thing for a very long time.
	A lot of people here probably spent past lifetimes in Tibet.
	All of this stuff is part of the game.
	And I know that this activity is taking place, and it's completely invisible.
	You can never prove it, except that in this little anecdote, and they have many, many more, which I told you earlier, if you...
	If there's something going on which you don't like, and then you do this invisible thing, whatever it is, and then it stops, there's probably cause and effect taking place.
	But the cause and effect would never be detectable by any machine.
	Because it's really happening in the spiritual universe.
	All of this is just a virtual reality game.
	This isn't the real reality at all.
	This is like...
	To change the metaphor, we're talking about movies earlier, Star Trek, this is like the holodeck, you know?
	Remember the holodeck?
	It's all a big hologram.
	Or in the Matrix movie, you know, it's like it feels real and you can really die and you can really get hurt, but actually, it's not what's really going on at all, you know?
	- Just to come back to another point, and that is, this is something that actually is a question I would leave open to the group here, because I think it's something that affects us all.
	And that is, we're constantly bombarded with a lot of information, right?
	And a lot of things that we're trying trying to make sense of it, and build into a structure that gives us a way to navigate through what's going on.
	And I guess the question that I would ask the group here is, how do we start to take all this and start to build it commonly into sort of a way for us to discern and find the right path forward for us, right?
	Because I think that's really one of the critical things that comes out of It's a great question and I don't have the
	answer.
	Some people in this room have been working in these areas for 20 years or more, and we still get confused.
	Well, we're trying our best, but some...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	I mean...
	Yeah.
	I feel...
	I really feel for people who are coming into this for the first time, because there's a bewildering, overwhelming amount of information, and some of the stuff you get out there on the internet is just nonsense.
	It's just crazy stuff.
	And it all gets mixed up together.
	And you get kids on YouTube who pick things up, and they make their own movies, and they say, you've got to pass this on to as many people as possible.
	And half of it, all you've got to do is you've got to go into Snopes and realize that things are hoax.
	So there's something here about how to be a researcher.
	How to filter, how to discern, how to check out your information.
	It's...
	I don't know what to say.
	It's not easy.
	It's very challenging.
	And the people who are trying to oppose this movement inject as much stuff into all of this as they possibly can do to confuse people even more, and they do a really good job, and they probably have a lot of fun themselves doing that.
	That's part of the game.
	They've been doing it for a long time.
	Sorry?
	It will get easier on time to see through it, because it's the same pattern over again.
	So if you practice it, it's like, you know, walking apart for me to see it.
	But in the beginning, I read a lot, constantly, read and think, and think, and think, and think, and think, what is right, what is wrong?
	You can see everything that's enforced by anything that seems to be-- to try to manipulate it, or try to make it complicated.
	Yeah.
	I would personally agree with that.
	The truth is simple.
	The details are complicated.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's right.
	You have to be willing to be wrong.
	Don't fall in the trap of defending a position that you believe in.
	Never do that.
	If you think...
	If we say something and we've got something wrong, then for God's sake, it's important that we say, you know what, we're wrong about that.
	And, yeah.
	And you may be wrong many times.
	And you have to be willing, for some things, just not to make a judgment about it.
	I have personally what I call, there's a this is happening box and there's a this is not happening box and I've got a maybe box.
	You know, And I've got stuff, you know, like Planet X. I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm getting some ideas.
	I'm willing to talk to people about it.
	There's a lot of crazy stuff about it.
	You know, but I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I don't see things that is the problem.
	They think that planet itself, the frequencies are changing, and the people who are staying selfish and negative, don't want to wake up, creating these problems and playing themselves.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Beate, you had it.
	You wanted to say something.
	That's an idea for me, if everyone solves this problem, you cannot prove that you have a problem because it's done.
	That's true.
	So, how can you go ahead and say, does it work in solving problems?
	Or prove me or show me how it functions?
	If you use techniques to solve the problems and you realize you solved the problem, If it's really gone, it's gone.
	This form of thinking makes the space free.
	Then you have the guarantee to look at the truth.
	Yep.
	So, I was just going to change the topic slightly, but on the Project Analog website, Stand up.
	You're from Australia.
	On the Project Camelot website, you stated a link to Pete Peterson on the Los Alamos website.
	I got that wrong.
	Yeah, he's the wrong guy.
	That was my fault.
	Yeah, sure.
	What Sheehan's pointing out there is that I made a mistake on the Camelot website by being too quick to identify the wrong guy.
	This has to do with Pete Peterson.
	Somebody sent us that thing, that page, from the Los Alamos website.
	This is Pete Peterson, who was a polymathic physicist, which means that he's a physicist who knows about a lot of stuff, and he's a very smart guy.
	Worked in optical lasers and other things.
	And he looked like him.
	I thought, is this him?
	Maybe.
	But he never told us about this.
	But then he didn't tell us about a lot of things.
	And I jumped to the conclusion that it was him.
	Probably him.
	The guy who introduced us to Pete Peterson, whose name is Doc Barham, who's been a personal friend of his for two years, had to write to Pete Peterson to say, is this you?
	He didn't tell us that it wasn't.
	He said, listen, you've got the wrong guy.
	You're stupid.
	He said, I don't know.
	I'll ask him.
	I have to ask him.
	And Peter said, no, that's not me.
	But that was my fault because I was too quick to publish it without checking.
	I shouldn't have done that.
	And of course, you know, I mean, we get mails from people saying, okay, this discredits you totally, you know, I mean, come on.
	Yeah.
	Max?
	Well, I know this is a very hard and complicated subject, and everybody who looks into conspiracies have their own beliefs on the details.
	I was wondering what your personal views are, after all the interviews you have done and the witnesses you have met, what your personal belief is on the structure of the conspiracy or conspiracies that there are in this world.
	Do you see it as one big, highly hierarchical conspiracy, or do you see it as interweaving factions that war against each other after each other?
	That's a really intelligent question.
	Do you mind if I ask you how old you are?
	Yeah, that's a very, very, very smart question.
	I wish I was that smart when I was 18.
	I'm not trying to be condescending, but that's a wonderful question.
	A really wonderful question.
	I think there are factions involved that are fighting for power.
	I think it's very, very complicated.
	I think one of the reasons why we can't figure it out is because it's very complicated.
	It's not because it's hidden.
	It's just because it's complex.
	One of the things that...
	Henry Deacon told us when we were trying to, you know, asking him basically the same question, he said, listen, he said, one of the things, one of the responsibilities he had Was as a kind of project manager in certain areas, meaning that he was working with people from this agency and that agency and the military of this country and the military of that country, trying to get them together to coordinate them in a particular project.
	And he said that there would be so much fighting in that room, he said people physically threw chairs across the room at each other because they didn't agree.
	I mean, perhaps that's an exaggeration.
	Perhaps it only happened once.
	But he said, listen, he said, there is not the kind of alignment and seamless coordination that you might think there is.
	There's a lot of disagreement.
	And he said as well, With the agencies.
	You see, because it's got to do with this question that somebody asked earlier.
	It's like, who are they?
	There are a lot of different theys, and they've got different agendas.
	They've got different agendas, and they've got interests that they're protecting.
	So, for example...
	And this is pretty much what Henry helped us to understand.
	He said, look, they're all reading your mails, right?
	All of them, you know.
	But they're not necessarily sharing information with each other.
	And they're only interested in a particular thing that concerns them, you know.
	So it's like the guys who are...
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'm making this up.
	The guys who are worried that we might be talking about...
	The secret space program aren't going to be at all worried if you've got a whistleblower who's trying to say something about 9-11.
	You know, it's completely separate.
	They don't care about that stuff.
	And the 9-11 guys, because that's their job, don't worry about the secret space program and probably don't know anything about it.
	Maybe not even relatively, but because if you don't keep it, you will find connections between these two things.
	That's only on the surface.
	Well, yeah, maybe.
	But...
	Somebody who personally I do have a lot of respect for, which is Dr.
	Bill Deagle.
	He's a very passionate man, but I like him, and he's doing his best.
	And he said something to us that really rang true.
	He said, look, they all spoke to me because I was their doctor.
	And he said...
	He said they got really interested in what I had to say because I was telling people sometimes what was happening in the next room and they didn't know.
	Things are so compartmentalized.
	Let me tell you a neat little story.
	It's just a fun story and I like telling stories.
	A little earlier on I mentioned this guy who was telling me about his experience Walking along the beach in Thailand.
	And this was back in the year 2000 before I ever got involved in this stuff.
	And this is a really neat story.
	I've tried to find this guy again now that we've got Camelot and I can't find him.
	He...
	And it's exactly like something out of a movie because when he was 18...
	Sorry, let me back up again.
	This guy was clearly a knowledgeable physicist.
	And I asked him where he went to college when we were walking along the beach.
	And he said, I never went to college.
	And I couldn't believe this, because this guy had a brain the size of a planet and knew everything.
	And I said, what do you mean you never went to college?
	He said, listen, I'll tell you a story.
	He said...
	And my high school physics project, and this is the kind of thing that Disney should do, okay?
	When he was 18, in his high school physics project, he invented some kind of plasma beam laser weapon thing.
	I don't even know what it was.
	I can't remember.
	But what it was, it was a classified piece of Star Wars technology.
	As a high school kid, he'd reinvented this thing at high school.
	And I thought that was wonderful.
	Next thing he knew, he got a knock on the door from the NSA, saying, you're a smart kid, we'll give you lots of money, please sign here.
	And of course, what smart kids want to do is they want to be told that they're smart and they want to be given lots of toys to play with and they told him that they'd put him to work in Bell Labs and they let him just invent things and he'd have millions of dollars of equipment to play with and a lot of smart people to talk to and he said, where do I sign?
	This is fine.
	And so he did that and he went off to Bell Labs And he told us that the facilities that they have there and what inspired this story was the thing about compartmentalization.
	He said that everyone has their area to work with and they wear goggles.
	When they go into work, they have to wear goggles.
	And the goggles make things very blurred, so they can't see anything apart from just making sure that they can see the doorknob of the door and they don't bump into a table.
	And the lines along the floor, which they have to follow, like the trams outside here on the street, And they've got bracelets on where if they deviate from the line then all the alarms go off and the next thing they know they're surrounded by security guys with guns.
	And they've got these goggles on so they can't see what's happening over there and over here when they're trying to get through that door.
	Because sometimes you've got to go through certain rooms in order to get to other rooms.
	And then when you get to your own room then you can get to take your goggles off.
	I mean, this is incredible.
	But actually, this is exactly the kind of thing that Dan Burish talks about with his experience in S4. He didn't tell us about the goggles, but he talked about following the colored lines.
	People live with that kind of level of compartmentalization.
	And when Deagle was telling us that as the doctor he was able to tell people what was happening in the room next door, he wasn't kidding.
	He really meant that.
	They don't know what's happening in the room next door.
	So if they don't know what's happening in the room next door, they certainly don't know what's happening in the next agency and they don't know what's happening in the next country and they don't know anything.
	And a lot of these people I personally believe are told, they're fed disinformation to make them believe that they're doing the right thing.
	For all I know, I mean, this is just a guess, and it's just a story to tell the point.
	But for all I know, the guys who are finding the chemtrail planes are being told that they're doing something to help save the world from global warming, and that's it.
	They probably are.
	Because one of the ways to get somebody to do something unethical is to trick them and make them thinking that they're trying to help, because people are fundamentally ethical.
	Very few people are actually evil.
	Very few people are fundamentally evil.
	And one of the things that Henry told us as well, which is relevant to this, is that he was actually concerned that the secret space program could somehow be jeopardized by what we were doing.
	And I didn't even understand.
	It's like, come on, you know, put an article on Project Camelot.
	How's that going to jeopardize the secret space program?
	But He seemed to be concerned that we should be responsible in what we were trying to say about this, and he was really agitated about it.
	He said this must not be stopped.
	He said he mustn't be stopped.
	There are good people who are trying to do the right thing, and the future of the planet might depend on it.
	You can't jeopardize this program.
	And what he's talking about there is he's talking about the lifeboats on the Titanic.
	He was worried that if this planet really gets into trouble, then the human race must survive, and the way it would survive is by going off to Mars and starting again.
	And this is Alternative 3.
	This is Alternative 3, which was a fictional story created by Leslie Watkins and a bunch of other people, but Leslie Watkins himself Who wrote the book, Alternative 3, said, this is really, really, really weird, because now I am convinced that what I was talking about was largely true, but I swear to you, I invented it myself.
	But then that does happen.
	People do tap into real things.
	For example, on our radio show a few weeks ago, I talked about...
	This movie which was called...
	I'm getting tired, forgive me.
	Wavelength.
	Wavelength.
	And...
	This is another Henry Deacon story.
	He said that part of the information in Wavelength was absolutely true, and when he saw this movie, he nearly fell out of his chair.
	And the bit that was true was that there were these three childlike aliens that were played by children in the movie.
	It's a good movie.
	It's a good movie.
	I recommend it.
	These three aliens came from a craft that was shot down by a truck-mounted laser weapon at the Hunter Liggett base in California near Monterey.
	Henry said, this happened.
	This really happened.
	I was there.
	When he was 22 years old or something, he was at Hunter Liggett, and they had an experimental laser weapon on the back of a truck.
	And this craft came in, and they shot this craft down, because they freaked out, and they had this weapon, so somebody pointed at it and shot, and the craft came down, and there were these three little childlike aliens who were taken away.
	I mean, that's a true story.
	And literally, two weeks ago, Henry tracked down...
	It was because I was...
	I think I was talking about the movie.
	I can't remember quite the sequence of events, but...
	Henry tracked down the director and the scriptwriter of the movie, whose name is Michael Gray, who lives in L.A., tracked him down, and, I mean, I have no idea how he did this, but he got him to call Kerry.
	And Kerry had a conversation with this guy, and this is two weeks ago, and Kerry said, you know, where did he get this information from?
	And Mike Gray said, well, it just seemed like a good story.
	And Kerry was convinced that this guy was telling the truth.
	And Michael Gray told Kerry that periodically, every few years, he had been contacted by somebody who was trying to tell him, you know, that this was a true story.
	So this wasn't the first time he'd heard it.
	And his answer is always the same, that he just thought it was a neat story.
	And so the reason why I'm telling that is not only because all of that is a neat story, but because sometimes what happens in fiction, and anyone who's been involved in the creative process knows that sometimes you can get in the zone of being creative, and you pick up these ideas from wherever ideas come from, and actually you're tapping into reality.
	You're tapping into reality.
	You're remote viewing, but you don't even realize it.
	And I think some people do that.
	Now, some of that may be what's been happening in movies and films.
	And actually, I should have told this story on the panel, and it would have been a good story to tell.
	But some of it is also seeded.
	If it's all true, or if a lot of that information is true, maybe it doesn't matter where it comes from.
	I've completely lost my thread, and Irene's giving me the time up here because it is actually quite late.
	I'm happy to keep on talking until there's no one else to talk to, but Peter, you wanted to say something.
	Did you?
	Oh!
	I thought you did.
	That's interesting.
	Go on.
	I have a personal question for you.
	I hope I can bore anybody in here.
	I want to come back to what you said at the beginning, that you were physically attacked by microwaves, and that you had spotted through telepathy that somebody in this 3D world really did something in that respect.
	I do trust you a lot, because otherwise I wouldn't be here.
	I think it would help me if you could confirm that.
	You were using telepathy to spot bad guys, and that is that you are really believing this, and this is really happening.
	I would like to...
	Sure, yes.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll say it again.
	Now, you see, I don't know whether what I perceived was real.
	Because I can't prove it.
	I can't prove it even to myself.
	I'm just getting impressions.
	I'm getting ideas.
	I'm getting pictures.
	I don't know...
	I didn't go and check it out.
	No, no.
	I didn't go anywhere.
	But after I had handled that situation telepathically, I mean, actually it was Ruth and I did it together.
	It took about a couple of hours.
	Then it stopped, and we felt better, and we weren't feeling so hot.
	I mean, both...
	Ruth and I, well, what happened was this, it's no secret.
	Ruth felt that her leg was being cooked Like a chicken leg in an oven.
	She was in great pain.
	Really in great pain.
	She could hardly walk.
	She has a high pain tolerance, but she was really suffering.
	And I also was...
	I was experiencing...
	I was having trouble sleeping, and I was feeling very hot, and I was sweating.
	And then we have a room upstairs, and we share a flat with Sonia, and Sonia downstairs...
	Sonia's one of the ground crew here.
	Sonia, downstairs, woke up in the morning saying, I feel really cooked.
	She said.
	And then we thought, okay, right, we know what's going on here.
	They're focusing something.
	I don't know whether it was microwaves or what it was, but it was something, you know.
	We could feel it.
	And then that's when we started to, if you like, we started to put on our remote viewing hats.
	It's like, okay, what's happening?
	What's happening?
	And then we got the same pictures.
	And then we resolve that whole situation.
	And there are techniques for doing that kind of thing.
	And all I know is that it's stopped.
	And Ruth's pain went away.
	We didn't feel cooked.
	Then we slept well.
	Then everything was fine.
	Now, maybe we're all crazy.
	Maybe that's not what happened.
	But epistemologically, we can't prove anything.
	I believe that that kind of stuff, that kind of remote interference happens all the time.
	There are many, many leaks from intelligence people who say that the next step from remote viewing is remote influencing.
	I know because I have it in writing from somebody I know called Kit Green, Kit Christopher Green, a close friend of Hal Puthoff.
	Who worked in the SRI, the Remote Viewing Program, still is in the payroll of the CIA. I have it in writing that the Remote Viewing Program was never cancelled at Fort Meade in Maryland.
	But that was just a cover story and the whole thing went underground, probably literally.
	It went underground and they were using drugs and hypnosis and electronics and all kinds of technical enhancements.
	Not only to perceive what was happening, but to influence things.
	And David Wilcock told a story.
	I can't remember when it was now.
	It might have been in a video conversation that we recorded on Thursday night, which will be published.
	about what Pete Peterson told us about the remote viewing capacity.
	No, I was wrong about that.
	It was actually in yesterday's presentation he talked about remote influencing being used to exert pressure on the carotid artery to kill people.
	They can kill people if they want to.
	Yeah, all that kind of stuff.
	Do you know a lot about this stuff, Klaus?
	Yeah, I'd just like to figure one small detail out.
	If you're talking about telepathics, I guess it's very important to keep in mind that it's not a case of transmitting and receiving.
	Yeah.
	You're not only able to have a telepathic conversation with any kind of being, in the meaning of a living being.
	You can have a telepathic conversation with almost anything, with a clock, with a plate, with a tower, with a church tower, with a bell of the church tower.
	It's somehow weird stuff.
	But especially for the German-speaking listeners, I'd like to say a small word in German.
	Es gibt einen österreichischen Comedian, a Comedian from Austria, which has won the Salzburger Stier a couple of years ago.
	I do not know his name, but his program called Heldin des Alltags, Heroes of all day or all day heroes, if you like.
	And if you go to search for Heldides Altax, you will find many of this telepathic background in his comedy stuff.
	Because his story was that he was talking about what was a clock thinking about doing the normal job, waking up the human being and receiving a knock on the head.
	Hey, what I was doing, I was a knock.
	I said, thank you, let's have a day.
	I do this, thank you, welcome.
	It's a weird stuff and it's a funny one.
	So remember, head in his eye tags.
	Google for it.
	All of this you do, you don't get it anywhere else.
	It's really, really funny.
	And this kind of stuff is all possible with telepathic concepts.
	It's not only It's true.
	You can talk to your food before you eat it.
	You can talk to the water before you drink it.
	You can talk to plants to help them grow.
	You can talk to your car to make it run better.
	You can do all of these things.
	And the reason for this, of course, is as any Good Buddhist will tell you, this apparent solid matter here in this matrix is just spirit gone solid.
	That's all it is.
	And anything spiritual will respond to a spiritual activity, and communication is one of the basics of spirituality.
	And, I mean, what we need is a whole weekend seminar to talk about this stuff, and I'd be happy to do one, you know.
	But this is really what it's about.
	APPLAUSE We have two minutes of video, so if you want anything to be off record, then you can wait.
	Go on.
	It's hard for me to say, but I'll say it.
	I talk to everything.
	I had a garden party two weeks ago, and I was guaranteed by whoever's talking back to me that it would be great weather.
	Sunday, June 28th or 7th, whatever it was.
	It was perfect weather.
	I, that evening, went and sat on my chair on the porch, and the first thing I heard was, well, didn't I tell you it would be a great day?
	Beautiful.
	So, you can talk to everything, and there's only one key to it.
	Practice, practice, practice.
	That works.
	I think it helps to meditate, it helps build inside your mind, it helps to have confidence, but talk to it all.
	I talk to rocks, I talk to the earth, I talk to a storm that came through.
	It talks to me.
	And I'm also, as I'm shaping here, learning and writing things down.
	And there's tons of books about it now.
	Yes, I guess you think I'm a very important thing.
	It's so possible.
	To control your own success and all this stuff, write everything down.
	The craziest thing that you're going to think, write it all down.
	And it's true.
	It's a connection with each other.
	We're just winding up the video, so I want to say something for the camera, and then we can carry on talking.
	And that is that whatever you can do, do it.
	Whatever you can say, say it.
	If you're not sure who to talk to or what to say, then say it anyway and say it to the people that you don't even want to say it to, because that probably helps.
	And...
	On a personal message, I'm pretty much based in Europe.
	There are a lot of Europeans here in this audience.
	If anybody wants to organize an event in a European city, I would be delighted to attend.
	If you can help me with my travel, I'm willing to be there to talk to a group.
	It's the least I can do.
	We all need to talk to each other as well.

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