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May 2, 2008 - Project Camelot
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John Lear Tells All - Part 4 of 4
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We found a, what we assume is a fission reactor, 29 miles in diameter.
You can see the dome there.
You can see the support sections there.
Have we missed anything, John?
Is there something that you wanted to cover that we haven't had a chance to look at?
Just let me talk a little bit about the civilization on the moon, because that's been the thrust of my...
And tell us something about the glass structures that Hoagland's talking about, because he calls it glass.
He said it's a special kind of glass, but do you agree with him?
No.
Okay, and why not?
Because he's talking about, I think, the Apollo 14 pictures, and his thrust is those glass structures are domes.
Right.
And those domes are what contain the air.
No.
The air, it's a thin atmosphere, but as you know, according to Boyle's law, in an atmosphere, the lower it is, the thicker it is.
I've had some wonderful drawings I posted, but I don't see them here.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to try and find them so that you can take a picture of them, because they draw exactly what I'm talking about.
The air settles into the craters, and if you're in the crater, you can breathe fine.
If you get out of the crater, it takes a little longer.
Basically, the civilization of the Moon It starts back at Newton.
Somebody has influenced our thought about the moon since the beginning of our thinking about anything.
Newton, for instance, he started to venture to say that, you know, there might be more mass on the moon, and that's brought out in his three books now called Principia.
Shortly after Newton died, somebody modified his thoughts to make what is called the Newton law of universal gravitation, which is fg equals g times m1m2 over r2.
And he didn't come up with that.
That was somebody else.
He didn't think that you had to specify what the mass was.
But anyway, in 1856, there was a Danish mathematician and astronomer named Peter Andreas Hansen.
He proposed, he had been researching the times and the periods of Saturn and several other things.
He was very knowledgeable.
But anyway, he was also looking at the Moon.
And he had found something strange about the Moon that when you did the predictions on where the Moon should be for a particular time, for its particular mass, it was not there.
And so in 1956 he went before the Royal Society, Astronomical Society, and proposed that there was a bump on the far side of the moon that was actually, the center of gravity was actually placed 57 kilometers farther out in space than had been generally realized.
And for that reason he thought that there might be atmosphere on the far side And with this atmosphere, he thought there might be plants, vegetables, and maybe even human life.
So he was regarded as a hero and a very interesting guy up until 1870 when a guy named Simon Newcomb came to Paris and told everybody that Peter Andreas Hansen was full of beans, there was not a shred of truth to it, and that even if he was right about these different times, that it wouldn't make any difference.
So guess who Simon Newcomb was?
He was a Rear Admiral in the U.S. Navy and head of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. The reason people have trouble with an atmosphere on the moon is to have an atmosphere, you have to have gravity.
And people think that it's one-sixth gravity, and they've been sold that over the years.
Somebody has had an agenda here so that we don't think That there's any gravity on the Moon, but there is.
And the way it can be proven is by using the Bolli-Aldis-Newton law of inverse square, which takes the size of the planets, the diameter of the planets, and the neutral point.
The neutral point is that point between the Earth and the Moon, Where the gravity of the Earth exactly meets the gravity of the Moon.
Now, NASA has traditionally told us that that's 24,000 miles.
And if you work out the inverse square law with 24,000 miles, the Moon It does have one-sixth gravity, but the fact is the neutral point is at 43,495 miles.
How do we know that?
We know that because Wernher von Braun told us that in 1968.
We know that because in two of the books of Apollo, including Apollo 17, and there was another Apollo mission, they specifically said, here we are at 39,000 miles and at the neutral point.
So we know That it's between 39,000 and 43,000 miles, and either one of those would work out to be about 60 to 64% gravity Earth.
So, having 64% of gravity Earth, it can hold an atmosphere.
People say, well, if it has an atmosphere, how does it keep the atmosphere?
Well, the same way the Earth does.
They have forests, meadows, lakes, rivers, people, civilizations, and it's on a band Of the moon that's just beyond where we can see.
And I have a picture here, but I can't find it.
But it's on a band, and that's the same band that both Menger and Adamski visited.
I'm pretty sure Menger actually went to the moon in 1954.
They let him step out of the train and breathe the air.
He's 86 years old, living in Vero Beach, Florida.
I emailed him the other day to get the exact color of the moon, and if you could reach that picture, I could hold it up.
It's behind the cigar box of the moon, the color picture of the...
I'm sorry, John, I didn't understand.
Oh, the color picture of the moon?
Yeah.
Do you mean the one in the lobby room?
I'm sorry, which one?
It's the long picture with the yellow sky.
Up at the top?
You don't mean on the wall, do you?
No.
Behind the cigar box.
Oh, I see those cigar boxes.
No, just hand me that photo right there.
Okay, this is the crater Copernicus.
And this is the same photo that's up there, but all I did was put the exact color of the lunar sky.
And how do I know that?
Because I emailed Howard Menger in Florida, who took a trip there in 1954, And when he looked up into the sky he said that's the exact color he saw.
He describes it as a saffron color and I sent a number of swatches with different color saffrons to him in Florida and he marked the X on that particular color.
And so I put that color behind the crater Copernicus and that's the color of the sky.
Why would it be that color?
Why wouldn't it be We think it's that color because although the atmosphere is not as dense as the Earth, it's higher.
And the rays reflecting through the atmosphere will go more towards yellow.
But what you get on high mountains on Earth, for example, is you just get a darker blue.
I mean, I know that because I've been there.
It would be a different composition of atmosphere in order to create that color effect, surely.
It would contain different gases.
Do you know anything about that?
No.
Okay.
All I know is it's breathable.
He stepped out.
He said it was very hot, but not as hot as we're led to believe.
And he said you certainly couldn't stand it for very long.
But then he looked up and saw that color sky.
Now...
Can you tell us something about him?
What is his background?
Howard was just...
A person living a normal life.
The moon people came and invited him to go up there.
He wrote this book called Secrets of the Flying Saucers from Outer Space, One Man's Fantastic Revelations of Visitors from Other Worlds.
He has a website.
I've read this book several times, as you can see.
Here I've highlighted exactly, he says what he did on the moon, where he was taken.
There was a lot of other people.
He said the place he went, one of the places was like the Valley of Fire in Nevada.
He says, there we stopped long enough for our guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment, which was all one could take, for it was terribly hot outside like a blast furnace.
I was certain that no one could have lived outside very long and was glad to have shut the door.
So is that maybe a basis for the domes as well?
Because, you know, you can regulate temperature, you can regulate...
Yeah, I'm sure there's small domes.
I don't think there's any, like Hoagland is saying, though, huge domes all over the place.
Here he says, I looked up in the sky, it was a yellowish color.
When looking, I had a queer impression that if I walked some distance, I would fall off since the horizon was so foreshortened.
There was other groups with him, along with ordinary folks, scientists, geologists, electronic engineers, rocket experts, astronomers, and...
So this guy is, you say, in his 80s at this point?
86.
He was 86 the other day.
Have you met him in person?
Not in person, only on email.
But basically, as far as you're concerned, he has no reason to lie, right?
No.
No, because his story is the same as George Adamski's Truman Bethebram.
What the government...
Labeled as contactees, which was their way of saying, yeah, well, you know, they're just contactees.
And I think both of them, both of Dansky and Menger, became very important sources for the government.
When I first got into this, You know, 20 years ago, people would say, you know, well, you know, think flying saucers are real, and I'd say, yeah, but, you know, that George Obscansky scuff was all bullshit.
It wasn't.
It was all real.
So was I remember.
So was Truman Betheverman and Daniel Fry.
All those people were telling, you know, the exact truth.
But the fact is, if you've been to Living Moon, you've seen the original government papers on who was involved in the anti-gravity project in 1952.
And Lear Incorporated, my father's company, is listed right there.
And there's a video floating around on the On the web that shows him at the blackboard teaching scientists at the Bonson Institute how a flying saucer flies.
And this was probably 1954 or 1955.
But the fact is we had anti-gravity solved in 1957 or 1958.
And we started building our own craft and went to the moon in 1962.
And Mercury, Gemini, Apollo was just a cover for all that was really going on.
Now, what do you say about all the NASA pictures, all the Apollo photos of the moon which do not show a saffron sky?
What's going on?
Yeah, it always shows pure black.
And the reason is they couldn't show the real color.
That's why all those photos are so fake.
That's why there's no stars there.
They didn't have much of a choice, you know.
They're trying to say that it's dark, that it's a vacuum.
Well, first of all, it can't be a vacuum because Neil Armstrong says he could pick up the dust with his toe.
And we all know that a vacuum, that the dust will settle into a crust and you can't pick it up with your toe.
They couldn't show the sky because it was a saffron color and that would lead everybody to believe there was atmosphere.
I'm not sure whether Apollo 11 went, and here's why.
Now, it may have gone to the moon, the command service module, and may have orbited the moon, but the problem I have is they only had 22,000 pounds of fuel, and they went into an orbit that was about 50 miles by about 10 miles.
This would be impossible with 64% gravity, but even if it was, From 10 miles, they'd have to go down to the lunar surface, land, and then take off with 22,000 pounds of fuel.
I don't think that happened.
I don't think they could do it.
That's not enough fuel to do that.
Second of all, I have a group of friends that remote viewed Apollo 11, did it land, and they weren't able to see any kind of landing.
All they were able to see was it was a CIA cover-up of somehow.
The other one is Aldrin's comment.
And I'd just like to read from Buzz Aldrin's book.
The what?
Yeah.
Here's what Aldrin says when he's asked, how did it really feel to be on the moon?
And he bristles, quote, for Christ's sake, I don't know.
I just don't know.
I have been frustrated since the day I left the moon by that question.
Yeah, that's amazing.
The fourth reason is the video of the light standard crashing.
Now the one small step for a man.
Now that's been alleged to have been a joke.
But if it was, it was extremely well done and very expensive.
My opinion?
My opinion is that it was real.
That that was during the filming and I based that on little details like the ladder, like the shadows.
Everything about that tape is real.
I think that was a real outtake of one small step for a man.
Number five, the G's required to orbit and deorbit.
As you know, the lunar lander had no couches, had no seats, had no chairs.
They stood up.
They stood up and they had an armrest under here and one under here.
And all they had is a little belt that came out from the side and wrapped around them.
Now that's not even good for a seatbelt.
They're called pilot restraints.
That's all they had.
And you're telling me they came out of orbit at 50,000 feet and landed and then blasted off with an armrest?
No, no.
I don't think that happened.
And the other is the different ladder.
In any picture of one small step for a man and photos of the Apollo 11 taken after that show a much thinner ladder, one made of tubular, looks like aluminum, compared to the one in one small step that is at least that thick and it's an L-shaped.
That's my take.
Apollo 11, I don't think, landed.
The others, maybe, but I'm not sure.
If they did, if any of them landed, it was with technology that used anti-graph.
That's what we were told.
We were told that they had help.
Otherwise they would not have been able to land.
That was the only way they could have done it.
And they wouldn't have been able to get through the Van Allen belts.
Do you have any view about that?
I believe that to be true.
The only reason I hesitate is because Bob Lazar told me that there was nothing dangerous about the Van Allen belts.
But what you say about the Van Allen belt, Sleeper is adamant about.
He said nobody can get through that.
He said that's a protective...
The only way we could get out was with help.
We were told that too from the inside.
Sleeper is very adamant about that.
Very interesting.
I have to ask you about the standard rebuttal to the atmosphere issue.
Which shows that when you're looking at the moon through a telescope and you see a star, it doesn't twinkle, it's just crystal clear, just like it's always there, and then it suddenly disappears.
People who say that haven't done that.
First of all, if you read V.A. Fursoff's book called A Strange World of the Moon, you'll see that there's many instances of occultation.
But the fact is occultation can only occur as if there is some sort of dust or kind of sediment in the atmosphere.
Here on Earth, there's all kinds of problems up there.
On the Moon, it's clear, perfectly beautiful.
You know, depending on the thickness, you may not see occultation, but if you want to read Strange World of the Moon by V.A., first off, he lists at least 14 or 15 astronomers that have seen occultation.
Okay.
I want to check my understanding of the issue of the The center of gravity of the Moon being offset from the center of the Moon.
Have I understood that right?
Correct.
It's 57 kilometers further away from Earth than is normally thought, and of course that's confirmed by Apollo, too.
That doesn't sound like it's enough to make any difference to anything.
That's a very small amount.
Relative to the size of the Moon, which is...
Well, of course we don't know what the Moon's made of, we don't know how much, you know, how much actual weight that would be, but the fact is that the Moon does this, what do they call it, where it spins at the top?
Yeah.
But what's it called?
Libration.
Another spaceship-moon mystery is this libration.
Libration is the spaceship moon's wobble, and this wobble is theorized by mainstream science To be caused by tidal lock.
Tidal lock is a nonsensical theory to account for unknown forces like gravitons to account for gravity.
Maybe the spaceship moon's libration or wobble is caused by the rotation of the moon about the location of the gravity B-wave generator which is located further away from the Earth from the center of the spaceship's moon geocentric center.
It's curious to note that one cycle of libration is equal to one period of rotation of the spaceship moon.
Are you saying, therefore, that this is one of the causes for the gravity Peter Andreas Hansen felt that it was on the other side.
But the fact is, if there was more gravity further It would depend on the altitude whether the air was denser on the far side or the near side.
What we don't know for sure is the altitude, the mean altitude.
If we knew that, we would be able to tell where the denser atmosphere is.
But in any case, the denser atmosphere is going to go to the lower portion.
This is a picture of the Moon, and this was taken by Lick Observatory.
And in any picture of the Moon you see, any picture, from way back when up until now, there's a very bright spot up here which is called Aristarchus.
You ask NASA or anything about it, they just say it's incredibly white, we don't know what's there or why it's like that.
But in fact, Last summer, we had an astronomer over in England take a picture.
If this shows it, We found what we assume is a fission reactor, 29 miles in diameter.
You can see the dome there, you can see the support sections there, and you can see the blue glow of radiation while the reactor is going.
Absolutely.
So this is a nuclear reactor on the Moon.
It's visible on this side of the Moon, right?
Correct.
And we've always been told it's whited out on any photo you see.
They just take a white out and they put it there.
So this is pretty incredible.
Did you talk to Hoagland about that?
I can't remember whether I did, but I know he wouldn't admit it.
This is the Clementine photo.
You see how it's been airbrushed?
all it is is just lines there.
We wondered whether you had any insights, intuitions or anything else.
But what happened to Steve Fossett?
I flew for Byron Hilton for three years, both his Hawker 125 and his Learjet, and many, many times went to the Flying M Ranch.
And so I'm very familiar with that, very familiar with Byron.
And the fact is that the Navy Undersea Warfare Center is only 16 miles to the east.
It's just coincidence that it was only Two days after I posted all this stuff on the internet about the sub, the Naval Undersea Warfare Center, and the battleship, and Hawthorne's tie-in with the underground submarine base, that Steve Fossett disappeared.
So what I theorize is that he took off and was just flying down there, saw an interesting place, flew around, and the Navy commander looked up and said, I'll bet you that's John Lear.
Shoot that son of a bitch down.
So they shot him down and they went over there and they looked and found out it was Steve Fawcett and the Admiral said, we've made a mistake, I don't want anybody ever to know about this, get rid of the airplane and the body.
Crazy.
That's very crazy.
But, you know, I say that in semi-tiny cheek.
There's no reason, you know, for Steve Fawcett to have disappeared like that.
It's just unbelievable.
Considering the amount of money, the amount of airplanes, the amount of time that went into that search, how could he possibly disappear, you know?
The problems I have with, you know, when he first disappeared, we heard that he was looking for, you know, a straightaway for his car.
Well, You know, it's pretty obvious, you can look on a map, you need seven miles, and there's not many dry lakes that are seven miles long, and even all dry lakes are on a map, so he wouldn't need to fly around to find some accidentally undiscovered lake bed.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Well, plus, he's not going to fly in the mountains for that, right?
No.
And then, you know, we heard that he took his watch, which had the automatic emergency signal, and then it turned out, no, he didn't have his watch.
But I will say this, the stories that he was shot down over restricted areas like Groom Lake or Tonopah test training is just ridiculous.
That's not the way it happened.
Well, I think he was recruited and sent to Mars or something.
Pardon?
I said, I think he was recruited, maybe forcibly, to work on, you know, on Mars or Moon.
Very well could have been.
There's some people that have disappeared I have some questions about.
And the number one guy is Bob Nathan.
Now, Bob Nathan was head of JPL's Viking Imaging.
Very well known.
Always accessible to the public.
Bob Lazar and I went down to see him personally to ask him a question about Mars.
We got badges.
We were admitted personally.
You know, he told us everything he knew.
You know, it was easily accessible.
Now you Google him on the You Google him and there's no record of the guy.
Wow.
It's like you go to Wikipedia and look for John Lear.
He does not exist.
And if you look into the records on Wikipedia, the only thing that said no substantiation for anything he claimed.
And that's it on Wikipedia.
Now you can find Bob Lazar, Bill Lear, you know, The Man on the Moon, Howard Menger, everybody else.
But you can't find John Lear on Wikipedia.
So Bob Nathan has disappeared as far as you know.
As Google.
Yeah, I can't find him.
And the reason I looked for him was because I was telling the story of when Bob and I went down to JPL. And the reason we went down there is Bob just got out of S4. At S4, he was shown a picture of what they call Cydonia.
And there's pyramids there and a face on Mars.
He was shown very clear pictures, and on the pyramids there was no doubt.
He could see doors, windows, handles, door handles, everything.
I mean, it was a place where somebody lived.
So our question was to Bob Nathan, were there any other pictures taken other than the two that Hoagland and DiPietro put in their book?
And he said, no, not that we know of.
And so then we said, well, you know, these pictures were taken at a very low altitude.
Was Viking ever taken lower than the pictures that Hoagland and Pietro have?
And Nathan said, yes, but we didn't take any pictures from that lower altitude.
So what that tells us is how Compartmentalization works again.
Bob Nathan knew one part of his program.
But Bob Nathan is not the head of the program.
He just is the front man for the certain things that he does.
And it's the guys down in Australia, Canberra, that get the original signal that tell exactly what's going on at a A girl named Kathy Thomas that worked at Goldstone, and she used to tell us some funny stories, Bob and me, because she would get the signals from Australia.
And she'd say, we've been sitting there waiting for, you know, Mars signals, and it would be 24 hours, and they'd say, They'd send a message down and say, are you guys done airbrushing those pictures?
We need them, you know?
So anyway, she invited me and Bob down to Goldstone and we got the royal tour.
I mean, we got up in the antenna and all the different places there.
It was really great.
Unfortunately, she got canned about two weeks after that and she went to work for Arathion up at the test site and haven't heard a word from her since.
Now, Bob says he's heard from her.
But once you go to work there, I mean, you don't talk to anybody.
For instance, if you go to work for Space Command in Colorado Springs, when you get hired, you're told to say goodbye to all your friends because you're going to have a whole new set of friends and they don't want you to accidentally, you know, meet an old friend and say, hey, you know, you'll never guess what I'm doing now, you know.
They're serious.
They say, Say goodbye to your old buddies because you are not going to see them again.
And that's how they avoid those little mix-ups like that.
Wow.
Incredible stuff.
Are you saying that Bob Lazar was shown detailed pictures of Cydonia at S4 when he was talking about that stuff?
Yeah, yeah.
He was shown the pictures of the...
Do you know why he was shown those pictures?
Part of his briefing.
They told him, you know, the bases we had, the moon, the bases we had on Mars...
What does he remember about what he was told about the Mars base?
You know, its function and, you know, how big it is and who else is there?
Nothing.
I've told you everything he told me.
And all that was that he was shown the picture.
We went down to ask Nathan about it and that's all he was told.
When you decide what you're going to pursue, that's all they tell you about.
In his pursuit, in his job he wanted to do, back engineer the propulsion.
They don't brief you into anything else.
Another interesting thing I want to talk to Dan Burrish about.
You know, what sold me on Dan Burrish?
Was the detail of the formalities.
You know, when you get out of the airplane, what are they doing?
And Dan Bridge, I watched that videotape, you know, he spent an hour telling exactly what they do.
It was so detailed, I don't see anybody who couldn't believe that stuff.
I mean, you just couldn't make that stuff up about being escorted here and the changing of the guard and all that stuff.
But one of the things he said, he was weighed, you know, they're weighed in and out and very carefully, you know.
And what I want to tell him is the reason that, you know, that just came in a couple of years ago is because that started with Bob Lazar.
Because on one of his trips up there, he took a little, that little 110 camera that was just about that big.
And they didn't search him in those days.
And he walked right into S4 with it.
And he had a chair, and he leaned back like that, and he put it up into the leg.
And then he was going to take a picture and bring it out, but he had his problem before he got it out.
So after he left, somebody found that camera, and that's when all the laying started.
That's a great story.
Okay, John, I have one last question.
You flew for years and years and years, right?
As a major airline pilot, okay?
So you were up there quite a bit.
Did you ever see a UFO when you were flying?
You know, as I explain to people, when you're flying, you're not looking for UFOs.
You're looking at the instruments and seeing where you're going, or, in my case, sleeping.
And then at night, You know, when it's easier to see UFOs, you're not looking outside.
First of all, you've got a brightly lit instrument panel here, and it's reflecting on the window, and there's all kinds of reflections around.
You're paying attention to what's going on, or, like me, sleeping, and so it's very difficult.
You wouldn't notice.
You wouldn't have the chance to notice a UFO. You would have to put your face up to the window and cup your hands, you know, and who's going to do that, you know?
Right.
But yes, there's twice I saw UFOs.
Once was in 1966 on descent into Los Angeles in a Learjet over Palm Springs on that long descent through Panning Pass.
And I was descending, and I saw a white object going left to right across the front of me, and it looked exactly like an M2F2, and that's the flying bathtub that, you know, the $7 million man crashed in.
You remember that series?
It didn't have any engines, or it had a little engine, but that was for landing, and it just looked like a flying bathtub.
You mean the $6 million man, right?
Yeah.
And so, when I landed, I even took the time to call the chief pilot of Learjet Hank Beard.
I said, hey, you're never going to believe what I saw.
The M2F2 passed me today, you know, going into Palm Springs.
Only years later did I realize how ridiculous that was.
Then an M2F2 would be flying across the main approach path to Los Angeles International Airport.
You know, they only flew that thing way out in the desert.
So, you know, obviously that was something.
Okay, so twice.
So that's one.
And then in a Lockheed L-1011, here just before I retired, with Kidiak International going Westbound over the Midwest.
No, it was just like south of Chicago.
I was looking south and of course the guys I flew with, you know, no one was interested in UFOs.
They didn't want to know about it.
They didn't want me to point out any UFOs.
So I didn't even bother looking, you know, besides I'm usually asleep anyway.
But it just happened that I was woken up here this time and it was very, very dark and very quiet.
And I saw this thing come like this and go, Just way, way out and out of space.
I thought, wow, that was really something.
And then I saw another one.
Bam!
I said, boy, that's really something.
You know, I ought to tell these guys, but as soon as I do, there's not going to be another one, and I'm going to look like an idiot.
So then here comes the third one.
Boom!
Like that.
And I said, well, I'm going to try it.
And I said, hey guys, I want you to look at something over here.
And they both came over there and a fifth one came.
And it went boom!
Like that.
And both of them sat down.
Boy, I never saw anything like that.
So that was the second time.
And it was really great because they both got to see it.
There was no denying it.
I mean, they were both in a state of shock.
You know, it was definitely a UFO, whether it was too small to see what was flying.
So what year was that?
Do you remember?
Would have been 98, 97, 98.
Not that long enough.
Really?
So I'm sure that must have been our stuff.
Okay, so people say, okay, John, There's flying saucers and reptilians and secret bases and secret satellites and we did our own 9-11.
We bombed ourselves and there's wars and you say there's nuke wars incoming.
What are we supposed to do with all this?
I mean, what's the point of all this?
The point of all this is to try and advance in your life.
And the way that you can do that Is to try and live your life without envy, hate, or greed.
Also, to spend as much time with your family and tell them how much you love them.
That's really all we can do.
We can't be responsible for the bad guys.
We can't be responsible for the children that are having so much trouble in the world.
We can't be responsible for the nuclear wars that are going on.
All we can do is be responsible for ourselves.
And that's to live our lives without envy, hate, or greed, and to tell each member of our family how much we love them, and to tell them that every day.
I try without living without envy, hate, and greed, but there sure are a lot of assholes out there.
That's great.
I didn't want to make that our ending.
But the...
What are you worried about?
I'm just worried about losing good stuff when we're not on camera.
Because you're not wired up to the mic.
It's lost forever.
Then we think that we've got it, but actually it was over lunch.
We have to control the environment here.
But have you?
That's exactly right.
That's why I thought that...
I thought we were talking about that on camera.
Well, no, I thought...
It's so easy to forget.
It's like, shit, this is something you tell us over a coffee break.
What?
He said, you blew her off a couple years ago at your front door.
She came to talk to you and you told her to, you know, take a hike.
I said, unbelievable.
So I called up Angela and it just happened a couple weeks later she was running a full week course.
The reason I wanted to take remote viewing was because I'm not the least big psychic.
I don't know when my wife's mad.
I don't know when the doorbell's going to ring.
I don't know when the telephone's going to ring.
And I wanted to find out if I could remote view.
And the answer was positively, absolutely.
I was shocked at the stuff I could do.
Wonderful.
And one of the things we did is each day one guy got to send the other to task the others.
Ah.
And I tasked in Venus.
And I did no front-loading, you know, which means I'm giving advance information.
I said nothing.
And at the end, I had to laugh because everyone, you know, when they went through the cool-down, said, Wow, what a place!
I'd love to go there, you know, because it's beautiful there.
Oh, that's great.
And it was really satisfying to do that.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, see, there you go.
What happens in the late 50s, we had a couple Navy people who used a balloon checking out the atmosphere of Venus, and they said there's probably an atmosphere, you know, for all intents of Peru, probably life there.
So whatever reason, we had to put a stop to that.
And I theorized that they got some general around a table like this with his aides, and he was telling them, so here's the plan.
We've got to be sure that nobody believes there's life on Venus.
So I need you guys to give me some ideas now.
Let's think this through.
So one guy says, how about an atmosphere of sulfuric acid?
The guy says, good, good, I like that.
Atmosphere, salt for your calcium.
Come on, guys.
Let's think outside the box here.
What else?
Well, how about volcanoes, exploding volcanoes?
Better yet, we'll make a volcano every square mile on Venus with lots of lava flowing around.
Okay, come on.
Let's get some more ideas here.
How about 90 bars of pressure?
That's good, good, 90 bars of pressure.
Nobody could live, you know, with 90 bars of pressure, 90 times the pressure on Earth.
He says, I think we got a good, good program here.
And so one of the captains says, you know...
General, I don't think anybody's going to believe this bullshit.
I mean, how could that all happen to a planet, you know, so close to us?
I mean, why would there be sulfuric acid and exploding volcanoes, you know, and 90 bars of pressure in the hand?
Don't you worry about that, son.
If we say it loud enough and long enough, they'll believe it.
And so that's how the new Venus planet was born.
Incredible.
Well, I mean, that's actually a believable scenario, what you just laid out.
But both Adansky and Menger, I think they both either saw it or went there.
Well, there's also supposed to be some...
Who is the White House?
This is Valiant Thor.
This is the stranger at the Pentagon.
Oh, Val Thor?
Val Thor, yeah.
Yeah, Val Thor, that was...
That was told by Frank Strangis, who wrote this book called Stranger at the Pentagon.
And if I remember right, I hadn't read the book, if I remember right, Val Thor was supposedly from Venus, and that was before they decided to cancel the Venus story.
Right.
What do you know about that?
Only that Val's ship was supposed to be parked right out here at Lake Mead, and I have the coordinates, and you can go right up there and see where it was.
But that's all I know about Thor.
One of the people who we met after we interviewed you was Bob Dean, who you must know quite well.
Wonderful man.
He told us that the aliens who the authorities were most worried by were the ones who were indistinguishable from ourselves.
And who were walking the corridors of the Pentagon and in government and in the military and, you know...
Walking down the street and you'd never know the difference.
Have you heard anything about that?
There are aliens like that, but the problem is we allied ourselves with the wrong aliens.
We think that the greys are our enemy, and that's why we built those 12, or at least 12, We've been building weapons-based platforms for the direct energy weapons that circle the globe now.
And we started in 1968 before Apollo ever went.
And we've been building it ever since.
And what they intend to do, and when I say they, I'm talking about the nasty NASA Nazis, If they can't get rid of the greys, they're going to blow up Earth, because they don't want the greys to have what they consider the prize.
They don't understand that there's billions of Earths.
There's billions of Earths just identical to us, all in various stages of development.
And they think they're going to destroy Earth, and they're not.
Now, in support of that story, one of the first things Bob told me that night I've heard,
you know, really knowledgeable guys say, yeah, we have some really frightening weapons and I'm not sure how it's going to turn out.
So, the plan is, the guys who run all of this stuff are going to destroy, the plan is to destroy us if they can't get rid of the graves.
Of course, they're not going to get rid of the graves.
The graves are all over the friggin' place.
I can't say they're beneficial.
They have a job to do, and that's to take care of the containers.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's evil.
But that's their job, and there's nobody going to interfere with that.
So they will almost certainly protect us from any kind of disaster that's going to come along.
But meanwhile, the nasty...
Okay, well, what about the reptilians?
They're a separate deal, I'm sure.
They have their own civilization.
They're probably underground.
Well, I mean, you certainly know that there's more than one kind of gray, right?
Yeah, there's plenty of them.
And there's plenty of different types of reptilians.
And Ron Schmidt and I are talking with a guy...
Really a knowledgeable scientist.
A guy that would sit down and be comfortable about talking with anything.
And he told us his first encounter with a reptilian.
And it was so believable.
He was working across the lab and he just looks over at this guy and asks him a question.
He says the second eyelid went down for a second, you know.
Contacted by somebody who's a scientist who actually is a nephew of one of the ex-CIA directors.
He's a solid, very smart guy.
And he went in just for a couple of days at one point.
To do a particular technical job in Dulcy.
This is how this little conversation started.
And as part of his briefing for going to Dulcy, he was told about what he should do if he should encounter a reptilian.
This is part of the briefing, very matter-of-fact.
And what he was told is that if you encounter one of these guys, you drop your hands with your palms open to show That it's a gesture of supplication and it shows that you're not a threat.
But you don't do that, you do that.
And he said that that's what you do with these guys, and they'll leave you alone.
And he did encounter one of these.
He encountered one reptilian in silent communication with one grey.
And just on one occasion, just for a few moments.
And he did what he was told, you know, and he said that this large creature was awesome and arrogant and And he told us this in a very matter-of-fact way.
Absolutely.
I believe it 100%.
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