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May 1, 2008 - Project Camelot
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John Lear Tells All - Part 1 of 4
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The End
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They're going to put a hologram and say, oh, we're being attacked by aliens, we've made a deal with the ambassador, and he says that they feel that Earth is a threat, but if you all take any weapons you have and turn them in, that they'll give us a second chance.
I would take them and freeze them in a position 20 miles out at 7,000 feet, 560 miles an hour, put them in the seat, Say, you know, and then give them two minutes of looking at their horizons, show them where the World Trade Center is, and say, I'm about to release you.
When I do, you'll have a minute and 50 seconds to hit dead center.
It's impossible.
At the height of my career, as proficient I was in every kind of airplane, there's no way I could have done that.
I mean, it's just too complex.
The same thing with 2012.
It's just going to be a year like every other year.
We're going to have to continue to have these wars.
We will probably have a nuclear war, you know, but things are just, you know, going to go along fine.
And I even have a hunch that you might have been part of MJ-12 at one point.
It was December 6th of 1988.
Bob comes, sits down, and...
He says, I saw a disc today.
And I'm writing out checks there, you know, and I'm not paying a disc.
I said, what?
He says, I saw a disc today.
A disc?
Theirs or ours?
And he said, theirs.
I said, you went to Groom Lake?
And he said, yeah.
And I said, what are you doing here?
I said, obviously, we're going to follow you.
Why don't you just, you know, work there for a while and then come and tell us what happened?
He says, because I have seen you take so much crap over the past six months about this.
I'm telling you, it's real.
I saw it.
I touched it, you know.
I look at him and say, what, what, what?
He said, John, you will never know what it's like to see your first alien.
I said, you saw one?
You saw one?
He said, yeah.
I said, it couldn't have been a doll, it couldn't have been...
No, it was one.
And, you know, these days, you ask him that question, he says, well, I don't know.
It could have been a doll.
They were doing all these weird stuff.
But that night, That's exactly what he said.
You know, the deal, the way security like that works is when they give you a clearance, and when you're deep inside like that, they tell you, look, John, we've given you this clearance, and of course we expect it to keep you secret,
but we know that every once in a while you may accidentally mention something at a party, you may have had too much to drink, and you think it'd be interesting to talk about this, And we just want you to know that, you know, we don't really care, we won't hurt you, but we will kill your wife, your children, your mom, your dad, your parakeet, your dog.
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy and this is Project Camelot and we are very happy to be returning to see John Lear and do a retake and a new interview to get He's going to tell all, basically.
Is that right, John?
Yeah.
You're going to absolutely charm us and dazzle us with new information.
I'm going to tell what I know up to this point.
Okay.
And I'm not saying it's absolute ironclad what's really going on, but it's what I think is going on.
Great.
But I'd first like to say I can't believe it's been two years since we did this.
It seems like only about six months.
But first of all, let's talk about what happened at ATS. What do you know about it?
Okay, I know you've been banned.
That's the extent of it.
And we don't actually know why.
What we know about it is that, or what we think we know, is that it's a CIA front and managed by the CIA. So if you've been banned, it might be that you're getting too hot.
That's what I think.
And when I first joined ATS maybe three years ago, I thought, you know what, this is just a collection point for what people think is going on so that they know what the general public thinks is going on.
And they have a bunch of debunkers there that are paid to go in there and somebody talks about something and they say, oh no, no, no, here's what's really going on.
So they generally influence public thought.
But then I started to throw some, you know, interesting stuff in there, and they didn't say anything.
So I thought, well, maybe it's okay.
So starting about four months ago, I started throwing some really secret stuff in there, which I'll tell you later.
And it has to do with Navy submarines.
It has to do with what the space shuttles do.
And then pretty soon, you know, I'm gone.
And the mechanics of exactly why I'm gone is Jeff Ritzman and David Biedny were two of the main Myers debunkers.
The Meyers story was true.
There's no doubt about it.
He took pictures.
He went on rides.
I don't care whether you say that, you know, there was pictures of dinosaurs or the lady came out of Sears magazine.
That's all contamination.
The fact is it was true.
And so I really don't have time to support the Meyers thing other than in the thread I would come up every once in a while and say, hey look, you know, I'm busy with other things if I had time.
You know, I'd tell you exactly how the Myers thing happened and why I believe it, but all I want to tell you is the Myers case is true and John Lear believes it's true, and that's the bottom line there.
And I'm telling you, I would get hit so hard on ATS, pages and pages of people knocking me, particularly Jeff Richardson and David Biedny.
So one day, I got a list Of everything, all the insults they made of me.
And there were 16 of them.
And I put them, you know, at the end, I said, you know, it's funny that any other thread, people would be taken to task for insulting another person.
But apparently on the Billy Meyer thread, it's okay to insult John Lear.
And I put these 16 things.
Well, that was on a Sunday evening.
Monday morning, I wake up, go to log on, and here's a skeptic overlord.
What's his name, Bill?
Bill Irvin says, you know, we've post banned you here until you can prove that what you said that Ritzman and Biedny posted were true.
We've had our best moderators and they can't find a single quote that was true.
So all we need is your help.
And I'm thinking, holy smokes, I just, you know, got all that, copied all that yesterday.
So I started to worry because it never even occurred to me to go back and check to see if it was still there.
I just assumed if Bill Irvine said it wasn't there and his moderator said it wasn't there, then it wasn't there.
And so what I thought was one of the moderators was in on it and it's gone.
And the only hope I have of recovering it is going into the archives.
So that was like about 8 in the morning.
And the whole day long, here's Bill Irvine coming back.
Every two hours, John, you know, we can't find any of this.
We need your help, you know, with a few little minor digs in it.
So I'm waiting for Ron Schmidt to get off work at 6 so he can show me how to go into the archives.
Finally, just before I went over to Ron Schmitz that Monday, about 5 o'clock, I said, you know, I'm just going to take a look and be sure that it's not there.
And I found every single quote still there.
So I laboriously took the time To copy every one and paste it on this one piece of paper exactly where it was, send it to Bill Irvine, and he sends me back an email that says, Jeff admitted it, it's a done deal.
So in other words, the moderators were kind of like in collusion with this guy, Jeff.
No, no, it turns out that none of them were colluding.
It turns out that everything was still there.
But Irvine said all his guys couldn't find those quotes.
But that's what I'm saying.
If they couldn't find the quotes, then they suddenly found them, then in a certain sense it sounds like they're working with Jeff.
That could be.
Anyway, Bill said, if we all agree to keep this between us.
I said, no, I don't agree to keep that between us.
I want everybody to know exactly what happened here.
You know, you say this above top secret and we're trying to get all this information.
Why should this little feud in which you've caused me an entire day of grief?
And really, I told Bill, I said, I've been posting here for two years.
I spent eight to 16 hours answering questions on ATS. And you accuse me of...
Falsifying information?
I mean, that's insane!
So I wouldn't agree not to shut up and they didn't let me on.
So it sounds like they're playing games.
Yeah, so they had a lot of people ask about John Lear and finally on Sunday, the following Sunday, they let me on just long enough I could get in my two cents worth and then I was banned forever.
It was obvious that ATS has been a clearinghouse They wanted the information that the public got to see if they could influence that.
They weren't interested in having good stuff come out there that the public could see.
And I'm telling you, I was telling some good stuff, and I was getting away with it.
Well, let's get that good stuff on here today.
It was really surprising.
They were letting me get away with this stuff.
And because, you know, I know what's going on.
And so then it rapidly came to a halt.
So now we've talked to several people at ATS and they said, nobody gets to put any more good stuff on.
You know, it's got to be backed up 100% or they're banned and their post is deleted.
I think the crowning blow was when they rolled in Jim Oberg.
And Jim Oberg has been NASA's front man for, you know, 30 years.
He knows everything about everything.
And when we got into the beta on the neutral point, which I'll discuss later, which absolutely proves that there's 64% gravity on the moon, I got Jim Obert.
And I'll read you the exact thing he came back with.
You know, he was stuck.
There was nothing more for him to say.
He was done for.
And that's when things started to go downhill.
And I'll read you the exact thing that Jim Obert said.
So John, what's going to be your approach at this point that you're banned?
Because in a way that was kind of a place where you could connect with the public.
Are you going to join another...
I post on four little forums.
And anybody that calls and asks, I give them these forums.
And it's no big deal.
There's like 300 on one and 80 on another.
And my bag is not It's not reaching a lot of people, it's reaching the very few that are interested in what's going on.
And that's not a threat to the government, really, I don't think.
Okay, well there are plenty of people that visit forums that don't log on, so it's good news.
Yeah, the stuff that we're going to talk about today is the stuff that's current on these forums.
One is Open Minds, and the other is American Conspiracy, the other is Fantastic Forum, and I think there's one other.
And then I have a website with Ron Schmidt that's called thelivingmoon.com, and I try and keep all the stuff that we find out on there.
Livingmoon.com is an excellent website.
I want to state this for the record.
There are not that many websites that we at Project Camelot would be willing to recommend, but that's a good one.
Okay, let me tell you about the origin of thelivingmoon.com was when I posted the original huge megabyte pictures of the moon.
On ATS. In other words, I sent them by DVD to, what's his name there?
Bill?
Mark?
No, Mark.
And he posted them.
For the first week, people were saying, I don't see, you know, John, I don't see what you see there, you know, and everything.
And then this guy called Zorgon started to see the stuff.
And so I would lead him to it.
And I didn't lead him anywhere.
I didn't say, well, here it is, because you can't do that.
You've got to let them find it.
And Zorgan started coming up with this stuff.
And then he started finding more than I did.
And I said, you know, we've got to meet.
And I'm thinking, holy shit, this guy lives in New Jersey, and I'm going to have to get back there.
It turns out he lives a couple of miles down the street.
So he comes up here, you know, we start trading information, and he already had a website, you know, having to do with Middle Evil stuff, so we just made the Living Moon a part of that, and the information just started to come in from all kinds of sources.
Sources have no idea how they got this stuff.
But a lot of stuff on the Russian black ships, and it just keeps pouring in.
It's a good site.
It's about 10% of the stuff is posted on there just because we don't have the time.
You know, we'd like to have a secretary, but both of us are broke, you know, so we don't have, you know, can't put it all on there.
So we put the most interesting stuff on there.
And Ron works down at the convention center.
He's the guy that sets things up and takes things down.
Oh, that's fabulous.
He comes home and every once in a while we get together, you know, like once a week and talk about what we're going to focus on.
But that's it.
Let me share this email with you, John.
This is from somebody called Gary Dix, D-I-X, who used to work very closely with Simon, Mark and Bill in the early days of ATS. And after a major disagreement, he quit.
He's based in New Zealand.
and he sent me a long email a couple of years ago and I'll just read One of the pertinent paragraphs.
As they become more negative over a topic, they begin to drive the threads using sock puppets, fake member names, as they don't want to be seen to be guiding directions in the threads as mods and admin.
This is the style of mods and admin in the future, using fake accounts to allow them to freely post their ideas.
You got this on a record from a guy on the inside.
Now, of course, they'll deny it.
But if you've got somebody whose username is skeptic overlord, what does that tell us?
I mean, the truth is in plain sight.
ATS is a skeptical site.
ATS is a debunker site.
And so what the debunkers do, it's this phrase which you know, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Yeah.
So you're an enemy of anyone who wants the truth really out, so they bring you in really close with the intention of controlling public opinion about you.
It nearly worked, but not quite.
Because they made the mistake of calling John Lear a liar.
And John Lear may be all kinds of things, but John Lear is not a liar, and everybody knows that, who knows anything about John Lear.
But what are the chances of, you know, me posting those pictures on ATS, you know, and the one guy who starts seeing the good stuff lives, you know, three or four miles down the road.
I mean, it's really great.
It's freaky.
But that's how synchronicity works.
Absolutely.
And every day I see an example of synchronicity.
Well, that means you're really plugged in to what's going on here and that you're getting some unseen help.
Basically.
I mean, synchronicity is just being in sync with the universe in a major way.
Right.
And everything is going in that direction, basically the direction of disclosure and truth.
So, on that note, let's kind of dive in here.
We know you've got a lot of stuff to cover today, so where would you like to go first?
First, we're going to cover the Nibiru scam, or Planet X. Okay.
It is not there.
It is not going to cause a problem in 2012.
It's a scam.
I see it working from every different direction.
It's just a plot to keep us in a state of anxiety.
Everything's going to go along just as normal.
The world isn't going to disintegrate.
There's going to be no planet that comes and shakes everything up.
Everything is going to go along just fine.
Okay, are you saying this in general about 2012?
Yes.
Or are you saying this all...
Specifically about Planet X or Nibiru or whatever you want to call it and 2012.
2012 is like...
It's just a year.
Is what?
Is it just a year in your opinion?
Yeah.
It's just like, what did we call this Y2K? You know, we all got generators and food and everything, and everything was going to collapse.
The same thing with 2012.
It's just going to be a year like every other year.
We're going to continue to have these wars.
We will probably have a nuclear war, but things are just going to go along fine.
Where do you get your information?
Are you just coming to this conclusion in your own head by putting two and two together, or do you have an inside source?
No inside scoop.
I have never had an inside scoop.
Most all of my information, you know, I've come out with it myself and it's more fun like that because people say, you know, who told you that gravity on the moon is 64% and there's an atmosphere?
Well, there's a lot of books out there, but basically I'm the guy that came out and said, yep, there's gravity on the moon and there's the atmosphere on the moon.
Why should we believe that you would know this?
I mean, is it because you were a pilot, because you're trained in a certain way?
Where is your trail coming from?
Well, as far as the gravity on the Moon, we're going to talk about the Bolli-Aldis-Newton law of inverse square.
And we're going to talk about how usually NASA convinces you using Newton's gravitational law, which assumes the mass of the Earth and the Moon.
That's not what you want to use.
You want to use Newton-Bulliallis, or Bulliallis-Newton, law of inverse square because you don't have to care what the mass is.
All you need to know is what the distance is and where the neutral point is.
If we know where the neutral point is, the size of the planets, we can figure out what the gravity is.
Now, we know what the neutral point is because, number one, Wernher von Braun told us.
Number two, the crew of Apollo 17 told us.
And three, one of the other Apollo missions told us.
And it's about 38,000 or 39,000 miles.
And if you work out the law of inverse square, it comes out to be that the moon is 64% gravity of the Earth.
That's all there is to it.
You don't have to assume mass.
And as far as planet Ex Inibiru, that's based on 65 years of listening to bullshit about what's coming on and what disaster is coming next.
I know that there's nothing going to be happening.
Let me ask you, just because we have several witnesses that are giving us evidence and also some secret evidence in this regard.
I know you do.
We're certainly in question about this.
We have not reached a conclusion ourselves.
However, First of all, there's the South Pole Telescope.
There's also the interest of the Vatican and the Jesuit footage that came out with Barbato.
Maybe you've seen the footage, maybe you haven't.
Maybe you can give us some background on why you think that footage is not accurate or not real.
And then there's also the heating of the planets.
How do you account for the heating of the planets And the activity on the sun, which is going to reach a peak in 2012, as being meaningless.
Are you talking about global warming?
It's not global.
And David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland have gone through, planet by planet, and shown you how there's increased activity All the way down, and that there's actually heating up.
It's information in the public domain that every planet in the solar system is heating up.
It seems to be connected with solar cycle 24.
And then some people say that there's something else that's driving this.
I wouldn't even pay any attention to it.
Everybody gets to believe what they want.
In 2012, you can look back and say, John Lear on April 2nd, 2008, said it was all bullshit.
If it wasn't, I was wrong, but I think it's a total scam.
I'm sure you've rubbed shoulders with the intel community.
You know that your office is bugged.
You've demonstrated that to us.
There's a reason why they bug you.
I mean, first of all, you know, you're a pilot from way back.
You're incredibly respected.
You have a background military, slightly, you know.
And I even have a hunch that you might have been part of MJ-12 at one point.
Okay?
So, you've known all the insiders.
You know, you knew...
Tell me why it is, I mean, that you're saying you have no inside sources suddenly.
I mean, you know, Bob Lazar.
Let me correct it.
I had three inside sources.
One was Jimmy Doolittle, and he's the one that told my mom that MJ-12 existed.
That story is important because when I was first getting into all this in 1987, and Chandra and Moore came out with the, I suppose, at Eisenhower briefing, and it talked about Majestic 12.
I needed to know, is this true?
And the only person that I knew that would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt was Jimmy Doolittle.
Okay, now who's Jimmy Doolittle?
General Jimmy Doodle behind you, that's him taking off to bomb Tokyo, taking off from the Hornet, incidentally the same aircraft carrier that picked up Apollo, and that letter that you see is when I had my accidental airplane crash in Geneva, Switzerland in 1961, And nearly killed myself.
He was the only one to take the time to write me a letter and say, John, we all make mistakes.
I've made plenty of them, but it's important that we profit.
It's only important that we profit by our mistakes.
And he took the time to write that whole letter, so I have it framed with him taking off on the Hornet to bomb Tokyo.
General Jimmy Doolittle was an incredible general, very respected, and he was involved with MJ-12 up to his years.
He was not a part of MJ-12, but he was around our house in Santa Monica, 2214th Street.
He lived down on 3rd Street with his wife, Josephine, and they were in our house just like Vandenberg, Just like Twining, all those MJ-12 guys were around our house.
But, you know, I didn't know that at that time, and my father never said much about UFOs other than that he believed them.
And I never found out any of this stuff until, like, I got into this stuff, 1985, 86, and Doolittle's name kept coming up time after time after time.
Now, I knew him, and there's autographed pictures all around us.
I saw the den of Jimmy that I've asked for, and I saw him at various, like SETP, which is Society of Experimental Test Pilots, and to say hello and everything, but I didn't really know him that well.
But I knew that my mom knew him, and she was as close to Jimmy Doolittle as anybody in her life, Jimmy and Joe.
His wife passed away in the 80s sometime and he was retired, lived in Carmel, California, and I knew that.
And I also knew that my mom talked to him every once in a while.
So I knew that the only way I would have of determining whether Majestic 12 was true was to get her to ask him.
And it took about six months to get it together because she's always hesitant, you know, to do stuff like that.
But I finally got her to do it.
And she called up and she said, Jimmy, how you doing?
Da-da-da-da-da.
By the way, John's interested in this stuff, and I just want to know, was Majestic 12 real?
And he said, yes, Moy, it was, but I can't say anything about it.
That, for me, was, you know, the beginning of everything, because if Majestic 12 was real, then it's a possibility the briefing papers were real, and if they were real, then everything else is real.
Right, because why would you put together something like MJ-12 under Truman to investigate or manage the UFO story unless there was, you know, if there was no UFO story, right?
There's got to be a UFO if you're going to put together a group.
So I'd have to say that was my first insight.
So now, tell me something.
You must know the history to some degree.
I mean, you've been around a long time.
You've seen them in operation.
You must have met some of the insiders.
And I have to say that I think they would have recruited you.
Am I wrong?
No, I... You never got an offer?
No, I'm just, you know, I was a pilot.
I didn't know anything, you know, until 1984, when somebody...
But you know a lot now.
Yeah.
Look at this office.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
You know, up till 1984, my sole interest was SR-71, F-19, Stealth Fighter, stuff like that.
As a matter of fact, you can go on the Internet.
John Andrews, who was vice president of testers and eventually made the sport model.
He and I had letters going back and forth.
He'd say, hey, you ought to look into this flying saucer deal.
And I'd say, no, it's bullshit.
I don't need to waste my time.
That letter's on the internet.
My interest didn't start until in 1985, I think, I used to run the reunion for all the Southeast Asia pilots that worked for CIA. And I'd run the reunion here in Las Vegas called China Post One.
And we'd have it every two years.
And one of these years, and I think it was 1985, a friend of mine whose name was Greg Wilson, he was a Raven.
Now the Raven were the Air Force guys they'd take out of the Air Force, sheep trip them, give them civilian ID. They'd come into Laos and they'd fly, you know, the O-1s and they were the Ravens and they'd go out on the PDJ and all around and do all kinds of amazing things.
Anyway, He attended the reunion.
His name was Greg Wilson.
And he got to talking to him, hey, where all you been?
He said, well, you know, here and there, still flying A-10s.
I spent a tour at Bentwaters.
And I said, Bentwaters?
That was the place, you know, supposedly in, you know, 1980 that the flying saucer land.
He says, no, John, not supposedly it did.
I said, I didn't get to see it because I was confined to quarters, but I know the guys who did.
And I said, what?
I said, you're telling me this stuff is real?
He said, oh, yeah.
So here's a guy that I flew with in Southeast Asia, hadn't seen for years.
I give him this outrageous question about Bentwater.
He says, yeah, yeah, I was confined.
I didn't see it, but I know the guys who did.
So that's what piqued my interest.
That's 1985.
So you've got more, you've got insiders coming to you.
You've got insiders that are friends.
I wouldn't say he was an insider.
An insider like as Bob Lazar.
Right.
And the only other insider, the real insider, I mean the guy, and it's been like, you know, if you guys were here two years ago, that's probably been like five or six years ago.
I can't remember when I met him.
Well, I know when it was.
Yeah, it's been a long time ago.
It's been almost 20 years.
I used to live up in Idaho.
He was retired.
He told friends of mine a lot more than he told me.
But just before he died, he came down to Vegas and more or less said, what do you want to know?
And I didn't even know what to ask.
And his name is?
Are you at liberty to tell us?
No, because the way security like that works is when they give you a clearance and when you're deep inside like that, they tell you, look, John, we've given you this clearance and of course we expect it to keep you secret,
but we know that every once in a while you may accidentally mention something at a party, you may have had too much to drink, and you think it'd be interesting to talk about this, and we just want you to know that we don't really care, we won't hurt you, but we will kill your wife, your children, your mom, your dad, your parakeet, Your dog, you know, everybody else.
But you'll be okay.
So that's why people don't talk.
And people say, well, he's on his deathbed.
Why wouldn't he talk?
That's why.
They make it clear it's not him that's going to get hurt.
It's every person in his family and then starting with his best friend.
Towards the end of his life, I saw him three times.
I drove to Idaho to see him twice, and then once back here.
And when I was in Idaho, he didn't tell me all that much, but he did tell me one interesting thing that never made sense until this year when I find out, you know, the information I'm getting is just growing exponentially.
Every time I get someplace, you know, then I'm led to someplace else, and it just...
So much information coming in.
Anyway, what he told me was that he worked on a project, a mining machine for the moon.
And this thing was being built in the south somewhere.
He didn't tell me where, but I'm imagining Arkansas or Alabama, someplace like that.
He said, John, this thing was so big.
He said that when I finished it, he said, I have a private license.
I rented an airplane just to go up and fly around to see how mammoth this thing was.
And I said, well, can you give me an idea?
He says, acres.
I said, wow.
I said, how'd they get it to the moon?
He said, I don't know.
And that's how projects like that work.
He doesn't have a need to know how they got it to the moon.
His job was to build it, you know.
And they're not going to tell him any of that.
That's how compartmentalization works.
You know, that's one.
We've been told by somebody, he told us that Project Lunex and Horizon were never cancelled as went black.
Absolutely.
And Project Horizon is on our website, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
The only thing we get, we've got four of the phases of project writing except one.
I think it's number two that we need.
So I'll show you that and show you what we're still looking for.
Can you just tell me one thing?
Have you been threatened?
Never.
Never the slightest bit.
Okay.
Alright, well, so either you've never crossed the line You've never revealed anything that you weren't supposed to.
Or you don't know enough.
Is that right?
Or you're doing someone a favor.
Or somebody's protecting me.
But you are exactly right.
Either I'm talking through my hat and I don't have the real information, or somebody's protecting me.
Do you know who?
Oh, I didn't say.
Which one was true?
I mean, you know, I think a lot of this stuff was true, but how would I know?
I've never been to the moon.
I'd like to go.
If I go and somebody can arrange a ride like Bob Lazar, he says he's going to have his spate suits on while we're standing, you know, in the airlock there.
And when it comes up like that, he says, you know, at least I'm going to have some air, you know, and I'll watch you self-skate.
And I said, no, no, I'll be able to breathe normally.
Now, when people go to the moon, it takes them two weeks of decompression before they can actually go out and spend some time there.
The fact is, you can go right there and breathe, but, you know, you'll get altitude signals.
Just like if you go to climb Everest, you can go right up there.
You'll probably live, but, you know, you'll hurt pretty bad.
That's why they go to the different camps as they go up, is to get acclimatized, and the same thing to the moon.
It takes about two weeks.
Okay.
So tell us...
How the moon got where it is, because you know that the moon is a satellite that's actually a fake.
Right.
It's a spaceship.
It was towed into orbit, I would say, 30,000 to 40,000 years ago.
Now, the reason I say 30,000 to 40,000 years ago is because it's still within the history of man.
That Velikovsky talks about the different proselynes and the different civilizations that talked about the time when there was no moon, and then when there was two moons, and now we have one moon.
This guy here, Norm Berggren, Wrote The Ringmakers of Saturn.
It's an excellent book.
Norm Bergman is very qualified, was for 40 years a scientific part of both NACA and also Lockheed, retired from Lockheed, I think about 15 years ago.
No, more than that.
National Aeronautics, the predecessor to NASA. Oh, really?
National Aeronautics Commission Aeronautics.
They were the predecessor to NASA. But when he retired, he somehow got some photos, some really good negatives of Voyager, which went by Saturn.
And he set up a little lab in his house And he started looking these.
And he ended up writing Ringmakers of Saturn.
And what he shows you here is what he found in the rings of Saturn is three vehicles, spaceships, the biggest of which is 31,496 miles long.
And 2,422 miles in diameter.
We're talking about a fairly large spaceship there.
Now, Norm Berggren, when he wrote this book at the beginning, it's very good.
He says, now look, I'm going to be talking about some stuff that is very interesting, but you can't skip a page, you can't skip a word that you don't know.
You have to go from the beginning to end or you won't understand what I'm saying.
And I did go from beginning to end.
When was this written?
This would be 1986.
Okay, so it's not that old.
No.
And I go see Norm...
And it's talking about a huge spaceship.
Who built the spaceship?
Who built them?
We don't know who built them.
Us?
No, no.
We couldn't build anything like that.
We have some amazing stuff, but we couldn't do that.
No, this is somebody else.
But what the interesting part in the book and the reason why we're getting here is because at the end of this book he starts talking about the moon and How the Moon was towed into orbit.
Because the people that operate that stuff in Saturn, and also Iapetus, towed the Moon into orbit.
And he goes into here and explains exactly why he believes the Moon was towed into orbit, how it was, and how they grabbed on to the Mari Orienel.
Who are you saying towed the moon?
Whoever.
We don't know.
So he doesn't conjecture on what alien race, for example.
I mean, obviously it's an alien race.
Henry Deacon, our secret source, has also substantiated that.
The moon was towed into orbit.
But have you got an idea what alien race was responsible for that?
No, absolutely not.
None.
What's interesting here, another interesting thing is I see Norm every year because when I go do the UFO Expo West, which is the only one I do, he lives in Los Altos Hills and he's writing about Yafidus and Yafidus is probably a spaceship too.
So we've got to get in touch with this guy.
You better, because he's on his way out.
I saw him last September.
He was not well.
He was finishing up the book on Iapetus, but he wasn't working on it every day.
Okay, is he a scientist?
Yes.
Okay, but who did he work for?
I mean, in other words, he's government.
Give me a second here.
I understand that.
But in a certain level, he's revealing secret information.
No.
As what?
Well, I'm just asking you.
Wouldn't this be secret?
No.
Thermodynamicist, Douglas Aircraft, 1943-1994.
Aero Research Scientist, NACA Ames Laboratory, 1944-1956.
Lockheed Missile and Space Company, then I. Supervisor Flight Test, 1956-68.
Manager Flight Test Analysis, 1958-1962.
Manager Test Plans and Direction, 1962-63.
Manager Reentry Test Operations, There's all this stuff, how qualified this guy is.
Right.
Why are they letting him talk?
Why are they letting him do this?
What's he saying?
There's a spaceship that's 31 miles long in the rings of Saturn?
So plausible deniability is...
Sure.
Who's going to believe that?
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So anyway...
Two years ago, at the UFO Expo West, I mean, that was so interesting because, number one, one of my lectures was Apollo 1 and the four people that were in it.
And there was Grissom, White, and Chaffee, and then there was a fourth guy, and he was part of the secret astronaut corps.
The reason they had to keep it secret is because if the public were allowed to know there was a fourth guy in there, then they would not want to know who he was.
And there was no possible way that NASA could ever reveal that there was another guy in there because they would have to reveal the secret space program.
And the space program started in 1959.
And they're the ones that went to the moon in 1962.
They went to Mars in 1966.
Everything we know is a cover for the secret space program.
Oh, yeah.
Anyway, when I give a lecture, if I have two hours, I always give an hour and then let the public talk to me for an hour because I'm going to learn more from them than they are from me.
And one of Chaffee's relatives got up and said, John, you're right.
We've always known this.
There was a fourth man, but we didn't know who it was.
Now, I know who the name is, but I keep it to myself because if somebody comes to me and says, I know who it is, I know who it is.
And it's really interesting because his son is a current shuttle astronaut.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So anyway, I go to see Norm two years ago, and in talking with him, I said, by the way, the electromagnetic vehicle that towed the moon into orbit, where is it now?
And he said, I think it's on the backside of the moon.
So when I got hooked up with Ron Schmidt, We started collecting photos on the backside of the moon and we found it.
It's in the crater of Tchaikovsky.
And the story of how we did it was so interesting and how NASA covered it up.
There's, you know, like six different photos of Tchaikovsky as they tried to airbrush this electromagnetic vehicle out of the picture by making it an island.
But we got them.
We got two really good photos.
One was discovered by a lady who works with us in Florida, and she discovered it on a thumbnail of Tchaikovsky.
And what happened is when NASA was advertising this particular photo, You know, they airbrushed the big one, but when they had the thumbnails, somebody looked at that and said, hey, I'm not going to take the time to enlarge that, take the vehicle out and put it down.
Nobody will notice it anyway.
But we noticed it, and it's great.
That's where we got the photo of the EMV on the far side.
And Apollo 15 flew over, and they got some movies of it.
And it's just a quick shot, but it's really interesting.
The secret astronaut who was killed.
His son is a shuttle astronaut.
Right.
Okay.
And this is interesting because it sort of shows how they bring someone into the fold who might have something to tell the world at a later date.
Right.
But if he's a shuttle astronaut, he's not going to talk.
Right.
He's in the fold.
Right.
Same thing with Grissom's son.
Oh, really?
He's in the program.
See, this would be an interesting investigative angle would be, what about all the sons and daughters of the astronauts?
Do they all work for the company?
Yeah, it would be.
Now, Gus Grissom, you know, when the fire started, You know, every single story you read will say that, you know, there's like three words spoken.
Chaffee said, fire.
Somebody said, you know, it's getting hot in here.
But in every single story, Grissom doesn't say anything.
Now, as you know, Grissom was the most highly critical and vociferous astronaut in that program.
He came out, you know, before they were supposed to go up there, he said, there's 60 major things with this wrong.
How can we possibly be flying this?
He's the one that hung the lemon over the Apollo, you know, and NASA hated him.
Now, I've been told by guys I consider insiders, and there's another one, column number four, that NASA didn't specifically kill those guys, but they let it happen.
They knew it was going to happen, and they just let it happen.
But why?
Well, there's a number of reasons.
Number one, they needed more time.
They needed to get the program back on schedule and the only way they could do that was to have a horrendous accident and they wanted to get rid of Grissom.
And so, as you know, the New York Times, and I forget the guy, the story the next day was that he talked to NASA and they said that the tape was gruesome over the last few minutes.
And of course we've all heard that Grissom didn't say anything.
We all know what he said.
He was saying, you know, you bastards, you've killed us all, you know, I knew this was coming to this, you know, I hope you all watch us, you know, die, and just really bad.
So I'm sure that's what happened, and I saw another quote just yesterday, and I can't remember what it was, about how gruesome the tape was.
Wow.
We'd like to ask you if Clark McClelland has got something to say about this as well.
Yeah.
We're in touch with Clark, but we haven't met him.
Clark's a great guy.
I've known him since 1990.
We've never met, but we've always talked on the phone.
I've always tried to get his notes.
He has his book ready.
He has three books.
He doesn't want to publish one of them.
He wants to publish all three.
I don't blame him.
He knows a lot of stuff.
He knows much more than I'm telling you.
Do you think that he's actually going to get his books published?
Are they going to let him out there?
No way.
Not a chance.
Daniel.
The only thing you know, I'd like to get him, but you know, Clark is so pissed, and I don't know what happened, but I know he is the insider, the insider of NASA. There's nobody in the position, you know, that could come out and say more than Clark.
I mean, he was there from the beginning.
But they've done just about everything but killing him, haven't they?
He hasn't got any.
And I don't know why they haven't killed him.
Absolutely.
Anyway, one more thing I'm going to tell you about Norm.
Because we're going to get into it later.
I told Norm the last time, last year I went to the UFO Expo, and I'll tell you, I got some good information.
But anyway, I went to see Norm, and he's not well, and he's had several surgeries, and I expect any day to hear that he's passed away.
He's 87.
And I said, Norm, I said, I'm thinking that That the airplanes that crashed into the World Trade Center were holographs.
And he said, John, you're probably right.
And here's why.
He said, just before I retired, I was driving down on the Bayshore Freeway to Sunnyvale.
And he said, I had a friend in the right seat of the car.
And he says, like, it was about 8 o'clock in the morning, maybe 8.15.
He said, we're driving south.
And we saw this shadow, and we looked up, and here, he says, it wasn't a 747, but it was a huge four-engine airplane.
It wasn't 200 feet above us.
And he said, we looked out, looked at this thing, and he said, of course, we're, you know, 20 miles from San Jose, you know, and 30 miles from San Francisco.
There's no possible way an airplane could, you know, legitimately be flying right there.
And he says, we watched it for about 10 seconds, and it went...
Just like you turned a light bulb out.
And he said, if that was the contemporary presentation of a holograph, he says, then you're right.
Oh, that's very interesting.
The holographic technology is so far advanced that people just wouldn't believe it.
The other day I had a lady here that was helping Marilee on a casting program.
Actually she hired Marilee.
She was from New York.
She had two degrees from Harvard.
She was just a wonderful, smart, receptive lady.
And we were talking about holographs.
She says, Well, let me tell you.
He said about five years ago, I was invited with about 15 other television executives into a private showing in Hollywood.
And there was a, you know, a little auditorium.
It wasn't very big.
It could seat like maybe 30 people.
And it was called, the presentation was called The Future of Television.
And she said, I don't remember if Steven Spielberg was there, but, you know, everybody else was.
And she said it was, you know, brightly lit.
And there was a stage and a podium on the stage.
And we're sitting there, and this guy comes out from behind.
He's a kind of East German accent, East European accent, white hair, has glasses.
And he comes out and he starts telling us the history of television and how they came up with the first cathode ray tube and how they did this and how they did that.
And, you know, he walks down in front of the stage, you know, walks up one of the aisles, he's polishing his glasses, you know, walks back up to the stage, you know, and she says, It was pretty boring.
She says, after about 20 minutes, he wraps it up with something, you know, and that's the history of television.
You know, he puts his glasses on and just like a light.
He disappeared?
He was a hologram?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
And so, you know, that was seven years ago.
So that's what television...
You won't have a screen.
You'll just turn it on and it'll be happening right there.
It's right there.
That's great.
Well, that makes sense.
The reason I tell you that story...
I mean, they had the yellow book, right?
From, what, the crash in 1947?
Apparently.
And that's substantiated by Dan Beerish over and over again.
So that's a hologram technology, right?
So the reason I tell you that is because...
So he back-engineered it.
...on ATS... When I first went there, one of the things I talked about was, you know, there were no planes on 9-11.
This is really dynamite stuff.
There was no airplane at Pentagon.
There was no airplane at the World Trade Center.
And I tell you, when I started talking about holographs, The dissent, I mean, the crush of guys that were out to kill me, I mean, it was amazing.
There was like 20 guys, you're nuts, you know, this is absolutely, you know, you're doing a disservice to the 9-11, you know, movement, you know, to find out the truth, you know.
You talk about that, nobody's gonna be, but the fact was, it was a holograph and it was CGI. Right.
So can you take us through that?
Take us through why you think that's true and how you got...
I mean, you're a pilot.
You certainly have, you know, a vote in whether those planes had the capacity to hit those buildings because our Henry Deacon has told us some very interesting things also about those planes.
Actually, he thinks they were remote-controlled planes.
I don't know if that's true, but basically that planes don't have the ability to actually steer into buildings at that level.
I mean, I'm not a pilot, so I don't understand the logistics, but how did you come around to this?
Okay, first of all, we're going to talk about Flight 11 and 77 didn't exist in the beginning.
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics has no record of them taking off.
So let's forget about them because they did not exist.
So now we're just talking about 175 And Flight 93.
Flight 93 allegedly crashed at Shanksville.
Anybody who has any background in accident investigation or any background at all can't possibly believe an airplane crashed.
There was no wreckage.
It just simply could not happen.
Okay.
As far as 175 crashing into the South Tower, I just recently put in a call to Pan American I had a flight simulator in Miami to see if I could rent a 767-200, which they have, and what I wanted to do was take six candidates, six candidate pilots, one current and qualified in the 767-200, one maybe qualified but not current, and then one Maybe current in a high-speed jet, but not the 767.
And then the last three, the same currency as the alleged hijackers, like a couple hours in an Apache, a private license, maybe a commercial, something like that.
And what I would do is in the simulator, you know, you can take them up That New York is just like it is.
I mean, the buildings are there.
And I would take them and freeze them in a position 20 miles out at 7,000 feet, 560 miles an hour, put them in the seat, say, you know, and then give them two minutes of looking at the horizons.
Show them where the World Trade Center is and say, I'm about to release you.
When I do, you'll have a minute and 50 seconds to hit dead center.
Now, the World Trade Center is 220 feet wide.
You got to hit to the center, not left or right, right to the center and explain how it goes.
Then I would have one camera pointing at the pilot and one camera pointing at what he's looking at and then say, go and say, okay, now show me how easy this is, you know?
Because all the guys on AT, oh, I did that in flight simulator, no problem.
It's impossible.
At the height of my career, as proficient I was in every kind of airplane, there's no way I could have done that.
I mean, it's just too complex.
First of all, the airplane can't fly about 560 miles an hour.
It can't fly more than 360, which is its velocity max operating.
Maybe it could fly Maybe 30, 40 miles an hour faster than that, but at VMO, the clacker comes on.
The clacker is an FA-required safety device which clacks loud, and it clacks at a rate in a cycle that irritates the pilot so that he can't ignore it.
He has to slow down.
Now, there's no possibility a hijacker, first time in the airplane, It's not only going to, you know, fly it at 390 miles, 400 miles, but do it with that clacker, you know, and descend and hit that thing center.
It can't happen, you know.
I have a question here, if I may.
We have a credible witness who says that the planes weren't piloted, but they were remotely controlled, like unmanned vehicles from thousands of miles away.
And he said, yes, but I'm asking John to comment on that from the point of view that this also That answers the question raised by the fact that no human pilot could have hit that small target.
No airplane crashed in the World Trade Center.
First of all, remote controlling an airplane that size, or any size, is very difficult.
And so, I don't believe you could remote control an airplane the size of a 767-200 anyway, particularly to hit dead center of the Of the World Trade Center.
But the fact is, there was no wreckage from any airplane in the World Trade Center.
And by no wreckage, I mean nothing was found of any size anywhere around.
Now, there was a panel of a fuselage that you see with five window shades, but when each airplane, American Airlines, the North Tower, and United Airlines and South Tower hit, it was two-fifths of a second While they disappeared into the airplane.
So in two-fifths of a second, you're not going to have a panel about seven feet long drift down, you know, and just be lying there in almost perfect condition unless it was accompanied by Mohammed Adda's passport.
The only other thing that was found was the engine on Murray Street.
And the engine on Murray Street has been identified as either a CFM56, CFM stands for Synecma, or the CF6, which was a 767 engine, which was developed out of the CFM56. But whichever one it was, the CF6 or the CFM56, it had to be General Electric.
And unfortunately, or fortunately, United Airlines used strictly Pratt& Whitney.
So that engine that you see flying off, and that engine they say is from 175, isn't from 175, because the guy's whose job was to dump it off there, you know, in a smoking, smoldering thing, dumped off the wrong engine.
There was a lot of things that the perps did that were suspect here.
You know, the collapse of building number seven is just absolutely ridiculous.
And the reason they had to do it that way is because I suspect the holographic projector that projected Flight 175 and Flight 11 somehow became disabled.
Because Flight 93 was the one that was supposed to crash into Building 7.
And when they couldn't do it, they had to do things quickly.
Make it fake 93 crashing in Sanksville, And I can imagine these guys all day long.
What are we going to do?
Nobody's going to believe this thing just collapsed, you know, from a little fire.
And about 5 o'clock, you know, they said, well, let's go ahead and do it.
Maybe no one will notice.
So they go out this 47-story building, you know, into its footprint, you know, and expect everybody to believe in it.
And of course they did.
Okay, so they collapsed it into its footprint, but what did they use?
I mean, don't they have scalar weaponry?
I mean, you know, can't they just hit it?
Yes, we do, but that particular thing was collapsed because it had controlled demolition, just like the World Trade Center.
The World Trade Center What they did with controlled demolitions is the first part was to make what we call the Wile E. Coyote cutout in the face, like an airplane crashed in it, which is absolutely, insanely ridiculous, but a lot of people believed it.
And then the other thing is they had to use controlled demolitions to cut each girder to 30 feet so it would fit on Rudy Giuliani's trucks going out of town.
The World Trade Center was collapsed by a direct energy weapon Being operated from one of our space weapons platforms.
And the reason we know that is because of the size of the dust that was left to the concrete, it was approximately 80 microns.
And that's what a direct energy weapon collapsed.
When it's pointed down, that's what it uses.
It's called molecular disassociation.
I mean, it just disassociates the molecular structure of concrete.
And that's why All that dust was there.
There was just nothing left.
And that's why the basement of the World Trade Center was molten for six weeks.
It's because when it finally does hit the ground, it heats it up so much you can pour as much water as you want.
It's not going to cool off for a time.
So I believe that all of this was controlled by the E-4B, the doomsday airplane, the 747, that was seen flying over the White House.
I think they're the one that did the holographic projection, and they also transmitted the CGI, computer graphics, to the different TV channels to show the airplanes allegedly crashing.
That's why we had the accidental nose out on one of the On one of the buildings, they were the ones that sent the alleged cell phone messages, which never occurred.
They did all kinds of stuff.
They made probably transponder things for the different ATCs to phone.
So you're saying the hologram had to come out of, had to be done by a plane in the air?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, it was done by a projector, a holographic projector.
The technology exists out there.
Have you, I mean, and I understand that you talked to your friend who wrote the book, Norm, but where else have you heard about this holographic technology?
Ron Blackburn.
You know who he is?
No.
Do you know who he is?
No, I don't.
Ron Blackburn was with Lockheed for 30 years.
He was with a stealth program, a stealth program, project up at Groom Lake for 20 years.
He was the one that I first heard there was aliens at the test site.
Now, when I first met him, you know, 10, 15 years ago, he denied knowing everything.
Now he's gotten a little bit more lax about what he says.
I mean, he says, you know, up at Groom Lake, you know, there's an administration building, you know, just for the aliens up there.
Ron was at my birthday party here.
So he's retired now.
So we need to get to this guy as well.
He's retired.
He's very careful about what he says.
You know, he still has retirement.
But he came to my birthday party, and he told us about Holographic projections.
He says they contain Sound, light, heat, everything.
I mean, everything is there.
One of the problems that people have with holographic projections is, well, I saw it.
It couldn't have been.
You know, they think of holographic projections like you see in Las Vegas or at a birthday party, you know, where it's a little dancing light like there.
Where you can see through it.
Yeah, and they say, well, I saw it.
It couldn't be.
You know, it's ridiculous.
And then they say, well, how would they have done the sound?
They would have had speakers all up and down, you know, the street.
It's too bad.
People, you know, they don't really realize how far we are advanced with our technology.
They were fooled.
It was a scam.
It was a sign-up.
Okay, so who ran it?
Basically, I call them the nasty NASA Nazis and the military-industrial complex.
And Hoagland tells us exactly who they are and how they took over.
And that's who ran it.
Now, in March 31st, 2007, last year, a guy named Morgan Reynolds, if you heard the name.
Yes.
Okay.
Filed a suit, called a Quidam Complaint, against these 22 companies.
And we're talking about major companies here.
Science Applications International Corporation, Applied Research, Hughes, all these companies right here are being sued.
And what they're being sued for is accepting money for providing a government agency with fraudulent information.
The government agency they provided with this fraudulent information was NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
NIST was asked by President Bush to determine exactly why the World Center collapsed.
What actually caused it to collapse?
And they came up with a reason that, you know, the jet fuel and it was just so far ridiculous that Morgan filed this suit and it's 40 pages and he outlines everything that they got wrong.
And so the suit has been going along in court now.
And you've testified as to the holographic planes as part of the suit, right?
Well, what I did is I filed an affidavit on January 28, 2008, this year, in support of the complaint and in opposition to the motions to dismiss.
And basically, what I testified is, number one, why the airplanes couldn't have Traveled as fast as they did, and how they couldn't be flown as well as they were, and why there was no wreckage in there.
It's amazing that other pilots haven't come forward because this is...
Well, other pilots are employed.
They can't afford to come forward.
There's very few people, there's a lot of...
But this is our country we're talking about, you know?
They can't do it.
A lot of my information was taken from aerodynamics for naval aviation, and I explained why an airplane cannot fly 500 miles at a thousand feet.
It has to do with drag, and it has to do with power, and it has to do with the fact that they use turbofans.
It just can't happen.
So anyway, the governments and NIST contention that they flew 500 miles an hour, it didn't happen.
It couldn't happen.
So basically, that's what I explained in my suit.
Now, you say, why don't many pilots come forward?
Many have.
There's an organization called PilotsForTruth.com, and I'm a member, one of the earlier members of that, and there's a lot of people that realize that this couldn't have possibly happened.
There is no an airplane like...
A Boeing 757 flying into the Pentagon.
No, that didn't happen.
So what happened at the Pentagon?
At the Pentagon, a bomb went off to make that hole there, and they had a 55-gallon drum of diesel fuel that a guy lit to make all that black smoke there.
And April Gallup, who was...
Yeah, I think the April Gallup story is fascinating.
April Gallup was the army...
Okay, so let's go back where we were, which is...
Okay, we're talking about April Gallup.
Right, April, okay.
April Gallop was an Army Specialist, and I forget what her job was, but she was She had a top-secret clearance.
She was sitting about 40 feet from where the explosion made the hole in the front of the Pentagon.
And she had her six-month-old son right below her desk.
And she thought that was odd because, you know, usually when she went to work, before going through security, they had to put the little kids in daycare.
But on that day, security said, no, no, take...
The kid in with you.
So she had the kid right below in his little holder there, and she says it was really strange because as she pressed the on button for her computer, that's when the building exploded.
And she said a lot of debris came down on her, And she saw the hole over there, and she thought, I got to get out of here.
So she picked up her kid, put it over his back, and went towards that opening.
And she got through that opening onto the grass, which is where eventually triage was set up.
But she said she saw no missiles, saw no airplanes, smelled no fuel.
There was no, you know, no airplane in there.
And later in the hospital, She got interviewed by Army Intelligence, and they asked her what she saw.
And she started to say, I didn't see anything.
And they said, no, yes, you did.
You saw a Boeing 757 crash into there.
And she says, no, no, no, I didn't.
I mean, there was nothing there.
And she's gone through hell for the last four or five years trying to get medical care.
It's been a really...
Very, very sad story, but one of the things I wanted to show, this is a page from a military manual talking about stuff that they would like to get in the year 2025.
This is called Airborne Holographic Projector.
You can see where I got it, you can't get it anymore here, but was www.au.af.mil.
And I got about 250 pages of this stuff.
It's talking about a hologram machine.
It refers to enemy perception management.
Is that right?
That's such a wonderful euphemism.
Have I remembered that right?
Yeah, it says, brief description.
The holographic projector plays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator.
The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management.
It is also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary.
And it has capabilities, precision projection of three-dimensional visual images into a selected area, supports PSYOP and strategic deception management, and provides deception and cloaking against optical centers.
Okay, and when was that written?
Do you know?
I think in 99.
I'm not sure.
I'll give you an address where you can get it now.
It's not at that address, but I think it's at Maxwell Air Force Base.
We have to believe that if that's out in the public sector, that this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as this technology goes.
Absolutely.
Strategic perception management.
Isn't that just wonderful?
It's great.
I just think that's so great.
An unsophisticated enemy, like the people on the streets of New York.
I was going to say that.
And I thought, you know what, I don't think I'll say that.
Nothing personal against people.
But they have, and then when you go into it, they have...
What they called the hybrid high-energy laser system.
But when you go in here and get a close-up of this system, it's showing you how they could attack right between Iran and Afghanistan.
It's hilarious, you know.
That's where they're going to be attacking.
And that's where they knew they were going to be attacking back in, you know, 1999, you know.
That was published then, so you can see how far ahead they plan this stuff.
I mean, they plan it 30 years ahead.
I was looking for that page.
Okay, when you say they're going to be attacking between Iran and...
Afghanistan.
That's where the pipeline is coming.
They want that area.
So that's why we're going to war with Iran, is what you're saying?
Yeah, we want to clear that area so we can run the pipeline down there.
And they're going to use...
It sounds like you're saying they're going to use a special kind of weapon to attack them.
Well, they could use that hybrid high-energy laser.
You know, they've got plenty of stuff they could use.
But it was just odd that it would be already on paper available to the public to show them where they're going to be attacking.
What you said to us off camera just before we started was you felt that there was going to be, I think you used the words, nuclear war.
Oh yeah, I have no doubt that we're going to nuke Iran.
I'm sure that's in the plan.
Cheney certainly wants to do it.
I don't have any inside information, but it looks to me like One of the possible scenarios would be Bush gets assassinated in October, Cheney becomes president and then declares martial law.
And then Something happens in where we have to attack Iran.
Of course, we won't attack Iran.
We'll get Israel to do it.
And they'll attack them with their nukes.
And then we'll slap them on the wrist by saying, we're going to give you $50 billion for a rehabilitation program here so that you won't nuke anybody else.
Okay, but nobody's going to get away with nuking anyone.
I mean, in other words, you're going to have China, you're going to have Russia.
I mean, basically we're going to be in World War III at that point, right?
Yeah, but it won't be that big.
What they're going to do is Cut the cables, communication cables.
Oh, the undersea cable thing.
Yeah.
So that there's not a lot of communications.
So no one knows what's really happening.
No one really knows what's happening.
It'll be all handled on an upper level.
All this is handled on an upper level.
All this has been planned in communication with and in agreement with China and Russia.
They all know what's going on.
So it'll be, you know, just to try out new weapons.
Well, actually, this is what, again, our Henry Deacon says.
He says China's in on it.
There's going to be a war with China, but they already know it's planned.
Yeah, of course.
And, like, everybody was ready for the Japanese Cayuga and the Chinese satellite on ATS. They said, they'll tell us what's going on.
They'll give us the real pictures.
And all they did was recycle old NASA pictures, you know.
And, of course, China was very embarrassed.
They said, these are not recycled NASA pictures, but you could go right to where, you know, yes, that was an old recycled NASA picture.
Now, what they're doing up there orbiting the moon, if they are orbiting the moon, I don't know, but they're certainly not taking pictures, you know, that they could use for themselves.
Why not?
Because they're already in on it.
They already know what's there.
So what's the MO behind doing all of this?
I mean, why are they going to plan wars, nuclear?
You're talking about nuclear wars where millions of people are going to die.
Land is going to become uninhabitable.
I mean, you know, this is crazy.
That sounds like a good reason.
Even if they want to keep a pipeline there.
What's the point in making the land, I mean, you know, You know, they've cleaned up nuclear weapons in the past 30 years.
They don't have that much radiation.
Why go nuclear, though?
I mean, it's so messy.
I mean, you know, I'm not a military guy, but if they've got scalar weaponry and they've got HAARP, I mean, you know, they've got earthquakes they can cause.
I mean, there are a lot of other things they can do besides going.
I mean, that just seems like the nth degree of insanity.
Why would they do it?
You know, it's like asking when I talk about Endeavour and the space shuttle being such an outmoded method of getting to EIS, and people say, well, you know, if we have all this cool stuff that you say, like, you know, satellites and anti-grav stuff and everything, why do they use the space shuttle?
It's the same thing with the nuke thing.
There's levels of...
Secrecy levels of intelligence, you want to keep a certain segment of the people knowing, just, you know, thinking that the space shuttle is all we got, you know, and nuclear weapons is all we got, so we use those.
It's that type of deal.
Okay, so you're going to kill millions of people, eliminate...
I don't think it'll be millions, but it'll be a few.
And what is Iran going to do at that point, you know?
Oh, they'll get all pissed off.
I don't really know what they'll do.
Okay, do you have any inside contacts about this?
Let's see, about Iran, about nuking Iran?
Yeah.
No.
Okay.
What about 2012 and a hologram of an alien invasion?
Have you heard this scenario?
Absolutely would be probably what they're going to do.
They're going to put a hologram and say, oh, we're being attacked by aliens, we've made a deal with the ambassador, and he says that they feel that Earth is a threat, but if you all take any weapons you have and turn them in, that they'll give us a second chance.
So at that point we have one world government because they can put everybody under the same roof and basically all the countries, you're talking not individuals bringing their rifles.
Yeah, individuals.
Yeah, that's one of the things the aliens want is for all you guys, you know, to turn in your individual weapons so that they don't feel so much of a threat.
But aliens, come on.
Well, okay, so this is a scenario.
It's a scenario where the government wants to disarm us, and the way is to put a hologram up there of an attack, and they say, we've been in communications with them.
A common enemy.
Right.
And it's a fake enemy.
And you can really help us if you'll turn in all your weapons.
Of course, by the time we turn in all our weapons, you know, there's not much we can do when we find out it's just a scam, like 9-11 was.
Yeah, that's a scenario.
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