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March 27, 2008 - Project Camelot
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Project Camelot Interviews Luca Scantamburlo - Part 2 of 2
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The magazine was the Italian magazine Notiziario UFO, which does not exist anymore.
And this report was about the Star Wars, the NASA Star Wars.
And the article was It was written with the collaboration of other guys, Adriano Forgione, Alberto Mancinelli, and Umberto Telerico.
It was about, I'm sure you remember, the footage taken by a space shuttle discovery, which you see something that appears an attempt to destroy a UFO out the atmosphere with maybe brilliant people.
Yes, this is the STS footage.
Yes, 1991.
Here we have another report made by Cristoforo Barbato in 1997.
It is an interview by phone with Robert O'Din, the retired American soldier of the US Army.
And then I have here The copy of the magazine where was published my interview to Cristoforo Barbato which came out in April 2006 on this magazine UFO Notiziario which is even now the main UFOlogical magazine I'd
like to show you a frame of the introduction to the Jesuit footage because there are some markings.
There is a classification here.
On the top you have three letters S, V, S, which is a mystery still now.
Even now, Barbato doesn't want to talk about this.
and then under there are the first letters of the main space program which is of course is not an official position by the Vatican but anyway according to the Jesuit the first letters KE are the letters which indicate KERIGMA the most important space program by the Vatican and then you have SI which
are the first letter of the name of the space probe which was launched In the first years of the 19th and its name is Siloe, the space prop that would have done the Jesuit footage.
By the way, this is important.
Jesuit footage is the expression that I have done to the controversial footage.
And then you have in Roman letters the year in which the data were sent to a radio telescope in Alaska.
Right, and this telescope in Alaska is another...
This is another piece of information.
Okay, and it's owned by the Jesuits.
Because it's officially held by Jesuits, which belong to the SIV, Servizio Informazione del Vaticano.
Of course, we are talking about classified information according to the Jesuits, and officially we have the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope in Arizona, Which is in charge to help the Jesuits to have nice scientific researches about the deep space, the universe.
And that is another picture which was not in the public domain, gave from the Jesuits to Barbato.
Of the Aurora?
Yes.
According to the Jesuit, it was taken by a space shuttle crew in 1992, if I remember.
And this is an evidence that the Jesuit gave to Barbato.
This is another evidence, not in public domain until this magazine published.
In 2006, you have this one, Hubble Space Telescope, you know, it's a sort of, how do you call it, the small decoration you put on the dress, in English, I don't remember.
A decal?
It's called a decal or insignia.
Yeah, for the dress, you know.
A little insignia.
Yeah, to put on your suit.
And then you have this one, Keyhole 12, Super Spine Space.
Look at the true writings that you have here.
NASA and CAA. This was not in the public domain until Barbato came out with this material.
And also These two gentlemen here, of course, this everybody knows him, should know him as President Dwight Eisenhower.
This gentleman here is James Francis McIntyre, the former Bishop of Los Angeles, and the Jesuit confirmed to Barbato that This gentleman was present at Mulock-Airfield in February 1954 because Dwight Eisenhower wanted to have a spiritual support to take an important decision
for the mankind because There were already rumors about this presumed meeting occurred in February 1954 between a delegation from Earth and a presumed alien delegation from outside our world.
And the Jesuits, and this is very important for the first time, We had a deep throat from the Vatican who confirmed, yes, this meeting happened, yes, James Francis McIntyre participated.
And moreover, the Jesuit told Barbato that later on, a few days later, James Francis McIntyre Broke the rules.
Because, of course, the American administration, I'm talking about the leaders who were participants of that meeting, said to the bishop, yes, you were present because of Dwight Eisenhower's desire.
You are not allowed to talk about this.
Even to the Pope, But McIntyre took another decision and a few days later took a flight and went to Rome and told everything to the Pope, who was, of course, shocked.
And according to the Jesuits, this was the first reason for the creation of this presumed Secret Service, the Servizio Informazione del Vaticano,
SIV. But according to the historical essay found out by Barbato, Rutlands, this secret agency was already in charge before, during the Second World War.
So somebody could think, okay, this Jesuit is not a reliable person.
On the other hand, maybe the Jesuit was convinced to say the truth.
Who knows?
The important thing is that the same expression, Servizio Informazione del Vaticano, was used by the Jesuit and is present in a book, a historical book, written by a former attorney, John Loftus, and a journalist, Mark Aron.
You are saying the Jesuit had a different impression of when this Organization, on why the organization was formed.
Is that correct?
In other words, you're saying that according to the story...
There is a contradiction.
Eva Barbato pointed out this.
Can you explain that?
Of course.
What is the contradiction exactly?
Think about the genesis of Central Intelligence Agency.
Central Intelligence Agency, if I'm correct, was born in 1947.
But before, there was another secret service.
It had another name.
It was Office of Strategic Service.
So, what did it change?
The name, the structure, the hierarchy, maybe?
Barbato pointed out on one of his articles, it happened the same.
The Secret Service in the Vatican was born for other reasons and then this outstanding event occurred in February 1954 in California and this changed a lot the reasons to carry on such a structure.
Okay, now we have another problem.
Other beings from other regions of the universe are here on the earth.
This is a threat, of course, not only to humanity, but first of all, to the faith of the Christians, of the Catholics, even to the existence of the Vatican.
You have to consider this problem.
And one of the reasons It was to keep a secret service to avoid, you know, to...
Maintain the secrecy.
No, to have the opportunity to know what other secret services abroad could learn about these creatures.
This is what I understood, this is what Barbato told me and this is what is public.
The Pope was very worried and at the same time, this is another important point, other creatures from other regions in the universe, according to the Jesuit, began to have contact with the Vatican.
With the SIV, Servizio Informazione del Vaticano, and even a couple of meetings took place in the Vatican Gardens, among other creatures.
Okay, but when was this?
Maybe in the 50s.
Was it after the meeting with Eisenhower?
After.
At the same time you have at least two races, according to the reports, You have at least two races.
One of them is the race who had the contacts at Moorock Airfield, which became later Edwards Air Force Base.
And then at the same time, just a few months later, you have another race, human-looking, you cannot distinguish them from us, And they had contacts with the American administration.
I'm talking about the people who had the need to know.
At the same time they had contacts with the Vatican.
And those creatures said, you have to be very careful with the other creatures.
This is very important because usually when somebody talks about the presumed meeting which occurred in February 1954, they think that those creatures were just human looking, like us.
Yes, maybe they were humanoid, but they were different.
There is at least one other race, human looking, much more than them.
And they were very worried about the secret agreement signed among the Eisenhower administration by secrecy in those ways.
And did the Jesuits say all of that to Barbato?
Or is this your own summary of the situation?
This is what the Jesuits told Barbato and Barbato told in the interview And even in other...
First of all, in the press release that Barbato made public in year 2005, at the same time when there was the first meeting in which he showed the Jesuit footage to the public, Jesuit footage who was never given to anybody.
Okay, was Barbato...
How did the Vatican react when Barbato came forward with this story?
No reaction.
None?
No reaction.
Has Barbada been threatened?
To the best of my knowledge, no.
Okay.
I don't know anything about what happened to him.
According to me, there was no threat from Vatican to him.
Okay, but surely you are a journalist.
You must have asked him if he was threatened.
You yourself have had threatening phone calls, have you not?
I had some problems with my internet connection, for example.
Many informatic intrusions.
I had many informatic attacks and also in the last month even a small disinformation campaign began against me, against my reputation and I have to tell you that these people are playing with the fire because maybe somebody thinks that I am stupid.
Maybe I'm not a famous journalist, but I'm not stupid.
So even this small disinformation campaign against me, against my reputation, is a little piece of a big puzzle, which indicates to me that maybe I touch very sensitive points.
Let me tell you something about the alien threat.
For example, I have a lot of respect for what Dr.
Stephen Greer did and is doing.
I mean, it is an outstanding job like yours.
I'm very surprised.
Because there are still people, you know, that in spite of every difficulties are, you know, they are keeping their efforts.
They don't give up.
But Dr.
Steven Greer, which did a great job particularly in May 2001 when he was the chairman of the press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC and there were more than 20 witnesses involved in the past on extraterrestrial affairs and UFOs Even today Stephen Greer says he's convinced because
of his information that there is no alien threat.
Okay, let me tell you something about this.
Here behind me we have some frames of a gentleman who is now dead.
He died in 1996, January 1996.
I'm talking about Phil Schneider, Philip Schneider, this guy was an insider.
His wife, the former wife, Cinzia Dreyer, he is still now trying to open a case about the death of her former husband because of the mysterious circumstances in which he died.
And Schneider, for a couple of years, gave many lectures and said, yes, there are extraterrestrial races which are benevolent, at least two of them, And, but I'm sorry, but there are other guys in the universe which are not, you know, nice people.
He didn't use these terms, but anyway, he gave a lot of information and he is an insider.
He was an insider.
He's not the only one.
There was another one, Bill Cooper.
Milton William Cooper who worked for the US Navy and for the US Air Force and until In 1989, he gave many lectures and from those lectures came out a reality which is a little bit different from the Dr.
Stephen Green's perspective of the alien presence in the solar system.
But I'm not talking about, you know, he is wrong, I am right.
I'm not talking in these terms.
I'm talking about that there are and there were insiders And with different testimonies.
So, because this doesn't like, it does not make sense, you know, you turn your sight to another direction.
No, I'm sorry.
You have to consider everything.
Okay, so, but the Jesuit, did he say anything to Barbato about...
Yes, yes, yes.
He said something that became public.
Because in the interview, became public, In the interview that Barbato released to me, granted to me, said that the Jesuit told him that this extraterrestrial race,
which would be present on this planetoid, which is approaching us, according to him, Are a warrior race.
He didn't use this term, he used another one, but the meaning is it is a warrior race.
Is he talking, did he use the term Anunnaki?
If I remember, yes, there is no doubt.
He identified that race with the race which was adored in Mesopotamia thousands of years ago, the Anunnaki, which means those who came, who from heaven came to earth.
There is no doubt about this, according to the Jesuit.
And this is the reason, maybe, for which this story is dynamite, because Not only changes our perspective of humankind in the universe, but also, if it is true,
is an effect to us because of the effects of the passage of this planet, not only because of the presence of this race in the past on this planet and their activities on Earth.
Did he explain How you could have an inhabited planet that actually spends a lot of its orbit in a deep cold of space where no life could ever...
Of course.
It's a very intelligent and interesting question.
This guy here in the picture, this is a picture which belongs to a US Naval Observatory.
It is in the public domain.
In the U.S. Naval Observatory website.
The gentleman on the right is Robert Sutton Harriton, an astronomer who worked by the U.S. Naval Observatory.
And on the left there is his former colleague, Christie.
Who was the author of the discovery of one of the satellites of Pluto, Charon, in 1978.
Robert Sutton Harriton was an astronomer involved in the search for Planet X. He wrote several articles about the possible existence of this planet in our solar system.
And Zechariah Sitchin, who is the author of this book, The End of Days, Armageddon and the Prophecies of the Return, in 1990, August 1990, if I remember well, Went to Harrington's studio at the US Naval Observatory.
They talked about the possible presence of another planet not yet discovered.
And Robert Sutton Harrington, in that occasion, discussed the possibility of life on that planet.
In spite of its distance, with a very thick atmosphere, He said, yes, it's possible to have life.
Now, I can add something else.
If this planet exists, and it is the ancient planet adored by the Sumerians and the other civilization in Mesopotamia, it means that this planet came into the solar system as an intruder.
So it means that in Very ancient past, this planet was not part of our solar system and this could explain the strange feature of our solar system.
For example, think about planet Uranus, the way he rotates and about the inclination of its axis, about the ecliptic plane He rotates like this.
The astronomers cannot explain why.
You have to assume that maybe in the past there was a collision.
But if there was a collision, maybe what there is written, the ancient texts, like the seven tablets of creation, the Enuma Elish, Atrahasis, Which are considered by the historians like a mythology, like a set of myths.
Maybe, as Zechariah Sitchin suggested, he was the first scholar to suggest this, those myths really happen.
They are just, you know, the remains of historical records.
Told us by the word of legend.
The world of cosmogony.
And Dr.
Hereto talked about the possibility of life on that planet.
Unfortunately, he died in 1993.
But he was an employee, a government employee.
And isn't it true that you told us that Zachariah Sitchin has suggested That Harrington died suddenly of questionable circumstances.
I had the lucky to interview Dr.
Zachariah Sicci for the Italian magazine Youth Notiziario in last summer 2006.
And in his lines, because it was a written interview, Zechariah Sicci just under point that he became shocked when he knew, he discovered, when he found out that the young and vigorous man, Hereto, was dead.
But he didn't make any reference, you know, just a few dots after this statement.
He didn't make any implications.
He just suggested that he was very surprised that the gentleman that was interviewed by him in August 1990 was dead because he was a brilliant man, a brilliant scientist.
He was 50 years old.
He died because of a cancer, according to a biography.
But one of the most important points According to the biography, which is available on the US Naval Observatory website, written by one of his colleagues, Dr.
Worley, if I remember well his name, according to this biography, written very well, is that at the end of his career, Robert Harrington Lost interest in searching for Planet X,
in the search for Planet X. Now, if you pay attention to the articles that Robert Harriton wrote in his career, well, the impression is on the opposite way.
One of his last articles is dated 1999, if I am correct, and he was still convinced that Planet X exists somewhere outside our solar system.
The difference between Zechariah Sitchin and Harrington hypothesis is that Harrington hypothesis was more concentrated on an orbit Which was not cometary.
Zechariah Sitchi, according to his studies on ancient texts, is convinced that the Nibiru's orbit is cometary because the texts are in evidence.
Okay, let's get back to the Jesuit information.
I'm sure you are asking me if I know if there is a date, if the Jesuit gave a date, possibly.
Okay.
No date.
I mean, most of the information that the Jesuits gave to Barbato are in the public domain now.
My website, on his website, on Nexus, New Times Magazine, because the interview...
What is not in the public domain?
I don't know.
I cannot answer to your question.
I know a couple of things.
First of all, the strange three letters on the classification markings That you can see on the introduction to the Jesuit footage, the first three letters, SPS, is a mystery, was a mystery years ago, is a mystery now, yet.
Barbato doesn't want to talk about this, because it is his choice.
Another mystery is about what the Jesuit taught Barbato about the nature of the Annunaki.
This is a sensitive point.
What do you mean by the nature of the Anunnaki?
Well, about how they look like, about their history.
I mean, read, for example, the Lost Book of Enki, one of the most outstanding books written by Zechariah Sitchin.
There are no comments by Sitchin, no comments, just A translation from ancient texts.
You read that text and you will see that the ancient history of those gods in Mesopotamia is an history of wars, of envious peoples, of, you know, all The evil relationships that we have.
And even, many times, moments of calm, moments of generosity, kindness, discussions, struggles, moments of peace.
Struggles, moments of peace, you know?
But tell me something.
You know Barbato has had this information from the Jesuit that he has not released.
Is Barbato troubled by this information?
I can imagine.
But if at least half of all this story is true, just half, not in the entire story is true, can you imagine how many problems can we have?
He can have, I can have, and even the people, because at a certain point, if other evidence will come out, then you put all the pieces together.
Then, if other evidence will come out, you know, I'm talking about more scientific points of view close to what you are not expecting.
Politicians like the recent Japanese politician in Japan that, a few months ago, said something about UFOs.
They said something about extraterrestrial presence.
Three!
I'm talking about three Japanese politicians as private citizens in front of journalists.
For example, the Minister of the Defense.
The out-of-the-fence.
The leader of the Japanese and even the Minister of Education said something in one week.
If other leaders will come out with information about this problem, so I think that there is the tiny possibility that you can have, you know, how do you say?
Do you know the ancient myth of the Pandora's box?
The problem is, are the people ready?
Not just for the truth, but for the responsibility to face the truth.
Because if such a truth will come out, we have to take some decisions about what to do.
But there are two entirely different situations here that are being described.
One is the presence of a large planetary body, whatever it is, that's coming this way, possibly causing effects on the sun, possibly causing other effects if its orbit should come near the Earth, the problems of Earth possibly causing other effects if its orbit should come near the Earth, the problems of Earth changes, resonance effects on the Earth's crust,
The other situation that you seem to be describing is one where this planet could be inhabited.
And we have to ask this question on behalf of the people who are watching this, and that is that it seems impossible that you could have a planet out there which could be inhabited with humanoid life.
Why would anyone want to live there when it's about minus two You are perfectly right.
If the planet is sufficiently large as to cause major problems on a geophysical scale, it's going to be a large gas giant, or maybe even what astronomers call a brown dwarf.
It's a sort of half a star.
According to my opinion, first of all, if Nibiru exists, came in our solar system as intruder.
It means that in an ancient past belonged to another solar system, another star system.
You know, the people think about the universe as a peaceful It is not like this.
We have a strange perspective.
The universe is a violent place.
Because of our sense of time, it seems that nothing is happening in the solar system.
But sometimes, something happens.
And you say, well, maybe the universe is a little bit different.
Maybe the solar system sometimes is violent.
For example, years ago, a comet in several pieces, you know, went against Jupiter.
The comet Shoemaker-Levy 9.
If this planet, billions of years ago, was part of another star system, and maybe because of the star exploded before a red giant, and maybe later, you know, there was another transformation, maybe this planet left his star system.
That's why, you know, the solar gravitation could affect this planet.
Okay, but let me ask you something, because what we want to know is, what would the Jesuit say to Barbato, who you said is very difficult, he's very careful as a researcher, and he must have some scientific basis, he's written articles on science, so he must have questioned the Jesuit to say, You know, how can this be?
Do you know what kind of evidence the Jesuit gave him, other than the videotape that shows...
He gave him the pictures, for example.
Right.
That one, he gave him...
But did he give him scientific data that you know of?
I don't think that he gave to him scientific data, but the scientific data are under our eyes.
Because, first of all, I told you, Robert Satoherito was an astronomer interested in Planet X. He was not the only one.
Another one is Patrick Moore, the famous scientific astronomer.
He wrote just a few lies about Planet X. But what he wrote, if you read what Patrick Moore, the British astronomer, wrote about Planet X, you say, yes, it may exist.
And there are other people who are, you know, a little bit interested.
For example, a few weeks ago, New Scientist, one of the major British magazines, wrote an article about the possibility of Planet X. And in the article, there is a discussion about a recent work made by a mathematician and physicist who comes from Brazil.
He is an Italian-Brazilian scientist who now is working in Japan.
He earned a PhD in Earth and Planetary Science at Kobe University and he's working on the possibility of Planet X. For example, just a moment.
This one is an old book written in 1926 and published again many times.
This is the edition of 1944.
The title is The Elements of Astronomy.
It is written by an astronomer, Edward Arthur Fett, professor of astronomy in Carleton College.
I bought this book in United States of America, in Florida.
And at page 221, There is something about Pluto, and I read for you.
He's talking about Pluto mass, which was not known in the last century until 1978, when Christie and Harriton found out Ceron.
The mass is uncertain, the mass of Pluto, but according to Wiley, it is approximately that of the Earth.
They thought that the mass of Pluto has the mass of the Earth.
If the mass is as small as it is, it could neither have produced the perturbation which Lowell found for Uranus Nor those Pickering found for Neptune.
It is therefore possible that a much more massive planet still remains to be found.
The search is being continued at the Lowell Observatory.
This is a scientific book.
The mass of Pluto is lower than the mass of the Earth.
Much lower.
These are scientific data.
One of the problems here is that the term Planet X has been used in different ways by different astronomers.
Some of them are talking it as being Planet X, the unknown planet, and also some of them are referring to it as the tenth planet that actually is beyond.
There are thousands of celestial bodies beyond Pluto, because they belong to the Keeper Belt object.
The problem is, are we talking about a celestial body which returns into our solar system as a comet, or are we talking about a celestial body very massive, you know, outside the solar system?
This is the main question.
Yes.
But in answer my question, How can we get to the moon?
Because we develop the space technology, we develop the space flight.
I mean, what I'm talking about?
If other extraterrestrial races We've reached a good level of technology and they don't destroy each other like we are doing on our planet because we are not able to manage the sources of our planet.
If they are able to survive to the point, the critic point, of auto-destruction.
They can survive in any condition.
Any condition.
Because they can, you know, they can build underground facilities.
They can build motherships.
Under natural conditions, the answer is not for the intelligent life like us, but under artificial conditions, under the surface of the planet, yes.
Because we developed, you know, a very sophisticated civilization.
We are able to reach the satellites.
We send space probes in the deep space.
We are able, you know, to fly in the atmosphere and out the atmosphere.
This is my, you know, possible answer to your question.
If this race comes from another star system, they survived maybe under the surface.
And they have many outposts, maybe even in our solar system, maybe in Mars, maybe, you know, on the Jupiter's satellites.
And maybe they have outposts even here on Earth, even now.
This is the political problem, the political issue.
In the Jesuit footage, there's It looks like a small moon.
The problem is that during, you know, the frames are, you know, it's a footage, so you have frame by frame, you know, we are talking about thousands and thousands of frames, but the behavior of that object is not a behavior of a possible satellite, because all of a sudden the object, the mysterious object appears, and after a few seconds, The object disappears.
So, if the footage is real, is a real observation in a deep space of a planetoid, it means that we are facing a possible spacecraft which is able to materialize and dismaterialize.
The problem is, is it an authentic footage or a fake?
What Barbato told us is that he checked the credentials of his whistleblower, his deep throat.
He was really a Jesuit on duty in the Vatican.
Did the Jesuits say what that object was, or was Barbato just left to get information?
No, nothing that I know about it.
Another question I'd like to Ask you.
Are you familiar with the testimony of Dr.
Bill Deagle?
Bill Deagle.
No, I'm sorry.
Let me summarize the reason for the question very carefully.
He says, and he's worked on the inside for the American government for many years, and now he's a whistleblower.
He says that the Jesuits are...
At the top of the pyramid of all the intelligence agencies in the world.
He talks about Project Omega, that's what he says.
And he says as well that the Jesuits are running and controlling the South Pole Telescope, which is in existence specifically to observe the incoming object.
Do you have any comment on record about any of that at all?
There is one aspect of all this affair on which Barbato didn't say anything and I am surprised that all the ufologists, all the presumed researchers didn't want to investigate because I can understand, you know, For example, I wrote many articles, but I didn't write anything about what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the three letters that you see in the introduction to the Jesuit footage.
What the Jesuit told Barbato in the interview that the Jesuit granted to Barbato, because After the interview that Barbato granted to me in September 2006, if I remember well, Barbato, on his website, spread the interview that the Jesuits granted to him.
And he said that the kernel of all the secret societies now on our planet is SDS. Nobody wrote a single lie on this subject.
Barbato didn't say anything more.
Because of...
maybe...
I can understand him.
If it is a sensitive...
What could it be, though?
I mean, just...
if you know something about all of this...
SVS? I don't know anything about this.
But I can tell you something.
Think about Dr.
Stephen Green's researches.
He said many times...
We are destroying our planet because our technology is based on fuels, you know?
We burn our fuels.
Maybe there are extraterrestrial intelligence that found out other sources of energy so we can stop the energy crisis.
Why, until now, All the alternative source of energy cannot find enough space in our society because there is so much interest in taking advantage of the oil.
Is it possible that there is something that doesn't want that free energies can become familiar?
Yes, of course.
And do you think that these people Are acting by secrecy or are acting in another way, in front of the public?
Of course, no?
Okay, didn't Stephen Greer also say in his book, his recent book, something about the Jesuits that he was approached by a person who said...
He had a meeting in the past, he wrote this in one of his chapters, Hidden through forbidden knowledge, if I remember the title of the book.
And he said that in the first years of the 19th, last century, he had a meeting and one of the insiders of the black world said to him, do you want to know something more?
You have to talk to some Jesuits.
And this came out after Barbatos testimony.
So this is an indirect confirmation of what Barbatos taught us.
And I am very surprised that Dr.
Stephen Greer didn't say anything about Barbato's testimony.
Another thing that I want to point out.
It appears that this, you know, SVS possible structure could be the famous shadow government.
You know?
How many people talk about, ah, there is a shadow government.
Where is it?
Who are these people?
Maybe, for the first time, we have an evidence, a strong evidence that it exists.
And let me tell you something else.
This footage was, according to what I understood, was, how do you say, intercepted by the Jesuit who contacted Barbato.
And this SBS This structure is not a legal structure.
If a secret service in the Vatican exists, you know, it exists by secrecy, but it is a legal structure.
I mean, the Vatican administration, if they have created a secret service, they have done this in the past, but, you know, Pope after Pope, You can imagine how many dossiers were prepared for the next pope.
So, we are talking about a secret structure which is perfectly legal.
But if, you know, somewhere another structure came out, like this presumed SVS, yes, maybe this is one of the reasons why the Jesuits and the other colleagues came out.
Listen, guys, We have different problems.
One is the coming of Planet X. Another one is that other people decided to do something in the countries of the world without the knowledge of the people.
And maybe these people are responsible for the situation that we are facing now.
Maybe, this is my point of view, maybe 9-11 is related to this.
I cannot imagine But the only reasons for which the United States of America are losing so many lives of his sons, you know, young guys, soldiers, and killing civilians by chance,
not by chance, And losing the reputation in front of the world, because in the last years, after 9-11, the US administration lost so many reputation because of its decisions.
I cannot imagine that the only reasons are economics.
Are, you know, taking advantage of the fuel.
No, it is not possible.
Of course, a lot of money, you know.
This is one reason.
But, you know, I'm sure that the 9-11, Planet X and this possible structure are pieces of one big puzzle.
This is my opinion, strong opinion.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yes.
On your left, over there, there is my former identification card.
of a meeting which took place in Venice on a Venice island in the Venetian Lagoon in June 2006.
The title was media between citizens and power.
I was correspondent for a group editorial Olympia who published There are several magazines.
Two of them are Tecnologiae Defesa, Technology and Defense.
Another one is UFO Notiziario, for which I wrote several articles until 2006.
For these two magazines, Tecnologiae Defesa, Technology and Defense, and UFO Notiziario, I was correspondent in those days.
So I participated to the press conference held by Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev in June 2006 and I was so lucky that I found a little space to make questions to the former president of the Soviet Union and when I took the microphone I made these pictures.
This is a detail of several pictures that I have taken in that day.
And when I took the microphone, I stood up and in front of everybody there were maybe 40, 50 journalists, Italian journalists, even some TVs.
And I asked him about In his conversation with Ronald Reagan in Geneva in 1985, my question was overall about the outstanding declaration made by Paul Elie, former Minister of Defense of Canada.
Anyway, I was talking about Ronald Reagan and his mentions to a possible alien threat, a possible alien planet, because Ronald Reagan made several statements, I think there are five, about a possible threat.
To the humanity, to the mankind from an alien planet.
And during my speech, little speech, Gorbachev interrupted.
Yes, yes, I know.
Even Ronald Reagan talked about me, about this stuff with me.
So I said to Gorbachev, yes, I know, in Geneva in 1985.
At that time it was the first meeting, the first summit between Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan.
And then, later on, I continued and I asked him, and you talked about a possible alien threat, an extraterrestrial invasion.
I didn't use these terms, but anyway, I pointed out that even him talked about a possible extraterrestrial threat.
And I asked him, is it true?
Is it correct?
And he didn't answer.
He didn't answer.
He said, I don't remember.
I don't remember.
According to me, it means it's better if we change the discussion.
But anyway, he was a gentleman.
Why?
Because he didn't deny.
He didn't deny.
And in spite of when I asked him A comment about the declaration made by Paul Elie, the former Minister of Defense in Canada, said that George Bush and his administration is preparing an intergalactic war.
Which, you know, sounds ridiculous, but if this statement is made by a former politician leader of an important country, doesn't sound ridiculous, according to me.
Anyway...
At the end, he answered to me about the possible threat of the NEOS, the near-earth objects, and about the Paul Elier declaration said something like this.
We are in the range of hypotheses, which is, you know, it is an honest...
An honest point of view, but you know, which shows it's better, you know, or he's not interested or he wants to change the subject.
But the most important thing is that later on in October 2006, if I remember, he was hosted by a television program.
In that occasion, in front of the Italian public, on TV, in front of the journalist, because of the journalist, Fabio Fazio, at that time, asking something about UFOs and his conversation with Reagan.
He remembered those days and he told a little bit more about the meeting With Ronald Reagan and what Ronald Reagan said to him about a possible threat.
At that time, you know, there was the Cold War and the Soviet Union and the United States of America could not find, you know, anything that can stop the Cold War.
Gorbachev said in front of the Italian public on TV, that time we were in the garden of the villa in Geneva in November 1985 and we were discussing a lot you know and during private conversation we were walking at a certain point Ronald Reagan stopped and said listen to me Gorbachev but if now suddenly from the space there
was an attack from somewhere can we put our forces together?
can we stay together?
And Gorbachev said, I don't know what you think, but yes, I think we can do it.
They are not the exact words that he said, but this is the meaning.
What does it mean?
It means that in the middle of difficult times, there was the Cold War, there was the Iron Courting, Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev in an official meeting, you know, they talked about a possible alien threat to the humankind, to the mankind, to the humanity.
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