Project Camelot Interviews Benjamin Fulford - Part 1 of 3
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Takenaka is telling me that he was forced to do it because the United States threatened to hit Japan with HAARP, H-A-A-R-P, if they didn't.
Okay?
Okay, and what would have been the impact of that?
I mean, tell us what that meant to Japan.
Earthquakes.
So I asked him, is it true?
And I have this on tape too.
It says, yes, you know, we have to, in order to protect the environment, we need to reduce the world population to 2 billion.
And war just doesn't do it, so we're going to try to use disease and starvation.
I use Rockefeller as an abbreviation for this group of inbred aristocratic families, the American side versus the European side.
But, I mean, the Bushes are part of it, for example.
They had two rings.
One was a mask of a devil with horns, and the other looked like a wedding ring.
And you go like this, and there is a Freemason mark.
And he says to his horns, he could put a little bit of poison on him, touch me and I'd be dead.
And he tells me he's a ninja, which is a professional assassin.
And he says to me, Mr.
Fulford, if you want to be, you know, a muckraking journalist, go ahead and do so.
But you will die at age 46.
However, and he gives me a big Freemason badge.
He says, if you don't, the other choice is you can become Finance Minister of Japan.
Okay?
So he's offering me a choice between death and the job of Finance Minister.
That's how he describes it.
So, you know, we're looting these people's money.
But we're not going to kill them, you know.
And he said the population in Japan would be reduced to 70 million.
But they would allow 70 million to live.
And they need about 500 million Asians to keep making toys and stuff.
She's describing, you know, Massive genocide.
I guess a lot of people, the very elite, I'm sure it happens Mr.
Obama and Clinton and anybody else in the high-level US politics, that they're someday, you know, senators, whatever, they're given the same kind of ultimatum.
Death or cooperation.
So either you join us or you die.
And that's how they managed to control the United States and enslave the American people.
And I had this great, what I call my Kill Bill moment.
You know, there's a scene in the movie, Kill Bill, there's two women fighting with swords.
It looks like it'll be a long, nasty fight.
Right.
It's not going to be sure who's the winner, right?
Yes.
But one other woman, the bad one, has one eye missing.
She has a patch.
And suddenly, she grabs the eye.
Yes, it's unbelievable, yeah.
Very graphic.
Very graphic, but I thought, hey, why don't you just target the eye of the pyramid?
Because most Westerners don't even know it exists.
I realized that society has six million members, and the Western secret site at the top is only 10,000.
So it's six million against 10,000.
So suddenly I said, well, that's it, isn't it?
We've got these bastards.
I became the first Westerner in 500 years to join.
A bodyguard at that point?
Did you hire someone?
No.
Look, if you need a bodyguard, it's too late.
You have to operate at a higher level.
I mean, if they really want to shoot me, they're going to shoot me.
You have to make them not want to shoot you.
The key to democracy is control over money by the people, not by a secret elite.
It's the money that counts.
If you lose control over your money, Hand it over to people you can't see.
You're a slave.
That's what you have to remember.
Never ever again let some secret power elite take control of your money away from you.
You know, if they're going to try to kill billions of people, then we're going to have to kill 10,000 people in order to prevent that, if necessary.
And the arrangements have been made.
I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Hamelot, and we're really pleased to be here with Ben Fulford today, former bureau chief, Asia Pacific, for Forbes magazine, which is really fabulous.
You did that for six years, I understand?
Yeah, about six.
Six.
And you've been living and working as a writer and journalist in Japan for 20 years?
More than that.
I mean, I first came in 1980.
Oh, really?
I went to university here.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Okay, so you went to the University of Tokyo, or what's it called?
Well, maybe I should give you a brief background.
I was born in Ottawa, Canada in 1961.
And when I was six months old, my family moved to Cuba.
My father was a Canadian diplomat.
Right, okay.
He was kicked out by Castro because he was helping all these refugees escape.
And I lived in Mexico until I was eight.
And then from eight to about sixteen I lived in Canada, went to a French school.
So I grew up speaking three languages.
So you spoke, you actually spoke Spanish?
And English as a child and then French, you know, from middle school on it was all in French.
Alright.
And then, you know, I was at the tail end of the hippie era, and I was picking up, like, these echoes from the past that was going on, and this is the street wisdom as opposed to what you're learning in school.
And, you know, the word was that if you went to university, they would just brainwash you into being a consumer, and that You know, there was something wrong with the world that the grown-ups had made.
It was sort of the zeitgeist at the time, right?
And I decided that if I went to university, I would also be brainwashed.
So I decided to escape.
I went to the Amazon.
I lived with some people, Indians.
How old were you at that time when you...
Seventeen.
Really?
I mean, that's incredibly gutsy to do something like that.
The Amazon is very...
Well, I mean, actually, they were former cannibals.
Yeah, so...
Yeah, I mean, a lot of, you know, hair-raising experiences, a machine gun tugging my head, and all sorts of stuff like that.
Nearly eaten by a bear, chased by a wolf.
So you went to the Amazon, you're like 17 years old, and you're not going to college.
Did your parents have a problem with that?
Well, I mean, what could they do?
I mean, I physically left and disappeared.
So you're just very independent from a young age?
Yeah, I think I sort of...
I mean, spending nights out in the wilderness alone from age around 12 and stuff.
Wow.
It was, for me, it was just really itching to go.
Is it, I mean, did your Fulford name, because, you know, we know about, like, your grandfather was, you know, this very well-known Fulford.
Was your family considered, you know, I don't know, part of the ruling class in Canada at that point or not?
Well, sure.
I mean, my great-grandfather was, you know, what would be today a billionaire and a senator.
And my grandfather was an MP, member of parliament for about 20 years, and my father was the ambassador to different countries.
So you would be considered something of a child of the elite at that point?
Sure.
At the same time, I had a very unusual upbringing.
We were taught from a very young age, you know, to I have a lot of empathy.
I was very disturbed by things I saw as a child in Mexico.
I'm in extreme poverty.
I'll never forget when I was seven, I met this kid on the street.
We played and talked.
He was the same height as me and the same mental level.
It turned out he was twelve.
I asked my mother, how could that be?
And she said, well, he doesn't have enough food to eat.
I said, how could such a thing be allowed to happen?
And it's happening right now to billions of people.
They're not allowed to develop their human potential.
They're not getting adequate education, adequate nutrition, medical care, nothing.
I mean, it's a shame that such things are allowed to happen.
At the same time, when I was on the Amazon, You know, it was a beautiful virgin forest, but they told me that in about five years it would be gone because the loggers were coming.
And I said, what's, you know, what's out there that's destroying the nature and leaving so many people suffering?
How could this be?
And to me it was clear that And this is what you've got us, you know, in the third world, in the street, at the poor level.
There's something wrong with the way the Westerners were ruling the planet.
And so, I decided finally, after lots of, about three and a half years of traveling, Adventures.
And, you know, to compensate for not going to university, I read all the holy books.
The Koran, the Bible, Confucius, Lao Tzu, you know, the Bhagavad Gita, et cetera, et cetera.
Great.
So you studied...
Were you studying Eastern philosophy, say, before you came to Japan?
You know, mystic stuff, you know, like meditating and...
I mean, like the I Ching?
Have you read that?
Sure, yeah.
Okay.
All that kind of stuff.
Great.
And, you know, the word on the street level was that something would have to come from the East to help us, right?
So I finally decided I'd go to university in Japan.
It was a choice between India, China, and Japan for various reasons.
I chose Japan.
Did you know at that point you were going into economics?
I mean, I'm assuming that was maybe your major.
I just wanted to learn.
I didn't think about majors or jobs.
In fact, I took every subject there is, I think.
Right for economics, sociology, anthropology, math, biology, you name it.
I took up to at least third-year level courses in all the courses, in all the subjects.
Did you graduate with a degree?
I eventually got a degree from the University of British Columbia in Asian Studies with a China-area specialty.
So you went to British Columbia...
I went to Sofia University in Japan for three and a half years.
Okay.
I took, like I say, about eight years worth of undergraduate courses, way more than I needed.
How did you learn Japanese?
Well, Two ways.
I arrived in Japan.
I took a two-month intensive course at the University of British Columbia for coming.
I arrived in Japan.
I spent three days at a Japanese school, and I said, this is useless.
I got a job as a bartender in a bar run by a gangster.
It was from 9 p.m.
to 5 a.m.
And it was this sort of place where it had fights, and sometimes people would come in naked, and very, you know, kind of lowest level of Japan you could find, basically.
But the good thing about a bartender as a job for learning a language is that drunks keep saying the same thing over and over again.
So you eventually pick it up.
I also went to what's called Futon University.
I used to have a girlfriend who didn't speak English.
It was a combination.
I used to sort of speak like a cross between a gangster and transvestite.
It's kind of either very womanly or very low-level street talk.
At this point, that's how you're describing your ability to speak the Japanese language.
That's hilarious.
I was more or less able to carry on a fluent conversation after about six months.
Wow.
That's great.
So do you write Japanese at all?
Can you read it?
Yeah, I've written, I think, over a dozen books in Japanese.
Oh, right.
Many of them bestsellers.
And I have to know, are your books available in English?
Because we didn't see that.
No, no.
I mean, I haven't actually.
You know, I deliberately...
Switched to Japanese a few years ago, after I left Forbes.
Because I knew that I was dealing with something dangerous, and I didn't quite understand what it was.
I remember being warned, for example, by Makiko Tanaka, the former foreign minister, and the daughter of Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka, who was taken down in the Lockheed scandal.
She told me.
She said, hey, if you start looking into this stuff, you're going to get killed.
So I knew that there was something very dangerous.
I didn't know exactly what it was, so I kind of went underground and started writing in Japanese.
At that point, Ben, could I just ask you, that stuff you referred to, at that point, what was the stuff that you were starting to get into, which you were warned about?
At that point, what was the stuff?
When I was at Forbes, I had already written several stories about the Yakuza and the gangsters.
I got lots of death threats as a result.
Moscow bureau chief for Forbes, Paul Klebnikov, was shot ten times, you know, outside of his house, and taken to the hospital, put in the elevator, and the elevator stopped for eight minutes, and that's where he died.
Wow.
And what year was this?
Do you know?
Approximately?
Five or six years ago, I think.
Okay.
So you, at the time, were you working for Forbes, or had you just left?
I was working for Forbes.
He was the Moscow guy.
I was the Tokyo guy.
Okay.
Okay.
Around that time, some people from the Asahi newspaper and the PBS television came to me and said that the head of the Gotoh crime syndicate was in UCLA Berkeley University Hospital getting a liver transplant.
Now this raised a lot of interesting questions.
One is, what is a known gangster and criminal doing getting a visa to the US? And why is a 70-year-old guy like that getting bumped to the top of the long waiting list for liver transplants?
So I started thinking, well, maybe he was doing some work for the CIA or something.
And I was going to write this up in Forbes.
Before that, I called up a very senior gangster source I knew and told him about this.
He said, hey, if you write that, you're going to get turned into fish paste.
I said, what?
I don't, you know, I don't respond to threats, I said.
He said, we never threaten.
I said, well, I'm a well-known journalist.
If you kill me, I'm going to cause a lot of trouble.
I said, well, we won't kill you.
You'll just disappear.
You'll say goodnight to your girlfriend and that's it.
You'll never be seen again.
And then he named a couple of journalists who disappeared.
Oh, man.
Now, remember, there was a guy, for example, who wrote about how the Goto gang was selling the old Shinjuku religious sect, was importing amphetamines from North Korea and selling them to the Goto gang.
And he disappeared after writing a few articles like that.
Has he ever been found?
No, no.
A whole bunch of them disappeared.
And a lot of the Japanese journalists told me, you know, the only reason you're still alive is because you're a white guy.
If we tried to write that same kind of stuff, we'd be dead.
So I knew there were some dangerous people.
And by the way, after this gangster guy, when I told him about the liver transplant thing, finally he said, look, I won't be able to talk to you again if you write that story.
And I thought, okay, this guy is a very senior source, and he's given me a lot of valuable information, and I don't want to lose his connection over one story.
So I decided not to write the story.
But it was a very kind of bad atmosphere.
And then I flew off to Sahaling, What's that?
I'm sorry.
In Russia.
Oh.
You know, the Russian Far East would have all the oil and gas now.
Right.
To do a story.
And the local representative of his gang was waiting for me.
He took me around, and I was taken to a giant casino with about 400 Chechens standing outside.
It was like something in a movie.
They all had two guns, you know, and they were hired by the Japanese gang as bodyguards for their casino.
Chechens.
Chechens, yeah.
Working for Japanese gangsters.
Interesting.
There's a lot of stuff going on that you don't see on the surface.
Right.
Well, we just got back from Moscow, actually.
So it's a fascinating place.
Well, in Asia, you'll find that...
There's no real line between gangsters and government.
It's all a continuum.
So you can almost think of these gangsters...
Well, some would say that's true of, you know, the U.S. and Russia.
Sure.
In the U.S., I mean, large parts of the CIA are basically organized crime in what they're doing, you know?
Right.
I mean, large parts are honest, patriotic people trying to defend their country, but there are groups in there that, you know, as we all know, they smuggle drugs and do all sorts of...
Criminal stuff.
Right.
So I'm sitting in this club and this guy is beside me.
He's really not like the one I knew in Tokyo.
He's like a very high level businessman.
This guy is a real thug, really dangerous, you know, not a nice guy.
And he's very, very tense.
And I said, listen, I want to go home.
He says, no, no, you can't.
You're going to be killed or something, right?
And I just realized suddenly I was being set up for a hit.
Oh my.
So I think quickly, oh my god, I point to these two oil men.
I said, you don't have to worry about me.
See, those guys are CIA and they're guarding me.
Plus, I have a file that will go public if anything happens to me.
That names names and puts you on jail.
It was total bluff, okay?
I didn't have any such file.
Those guys were just oil men, but you know, what can I do?
And the guy just gets up, like a rocket, with the phone, running out the door, you know, like...
And I pick up my phone, I call Tokyo, I say, listen, I'm not here to write about your dealings with Russian gangsters and stuff.
I'm here to write about the oil industry.
I'm not going to cause you any trouble.
So the guy comes back, he's all relaxed.
And I say, okay, good night.
And that's it.
But...
Yeah, but, you know, they really did shoot, the Chechens really did shoot my colleague, didn't they?
That was after this happened to me, but...
So, once that took place, I did make a file, and I still have it, in hard disks and DVDs with voice recordings and videos.
For example, a well-known Japanese Prime Minister has murdered three women, and I have the proof in one of these.
A lot of stuff like that.
My job is not to try to expose people.
That's not where I'm coming from.
That's just insurance I had to take out.
I don't need that insurance anymore because I have this secret society backing me.
But again, my idea was not just trying to expose people.
That's not the level I'm at anymore.
I'm trying to save the planet.
Right.
So this stuff will never come out, probably.
Ever.
As long as, you know, they don't kill me, basically.
If they do, there will be horrible repercussions of all sorts.
But, again, I'm trying to make a win-win situation for everybody.
Okay?
So now we go back.
When I just arrived in Japan, you want to talk about that?
Well, yeah, but I kind of wanted to get a nugget of what it was in your Amazon experience that you kind of discovered.
Like, what did going there crystallize for you?
Well, for example, you see, what I did was, my thinking was, a fish does not know water exists until it jumps.
So to understand civilization, I had to leave it.
So I tried different things.
In the Amazon, they survived on fish and bananas.
So you have roast bananas and fish soup, or banana soup and roast fish, or roast fish and roast bananas.
You know, you get the idea, right?
I got tired of it.
I said, well, why don't we get some meat?
I said, okay, we'll go hunting.
Spend all day in the jungle.
Don't get anything.
Don't catch anything.
Come back, we're hungry.
There's nothing to eat.
So, we lose in civilization that contact between our working and our eating and our surviving.
So, kind of so many layers in between actually getting food from the earth and putting it in our mouths that we don't realize sometimes.
So that's the thing I learned there.
Okay.
The other thing is that these people are much simpler in their communications.
They don't They're very straightforward.
They say exactly what they think.
So you walk in the room and the first thing they think is, hey, you're fat.
Don't say it.
Whereas in civilization, it's much more complex.
They say, oh, you know, oh, you're looking healthy or something.
You know, they try not to, you know...
Anyway...
So the mask is not so deep.
Yeah.
And the other thing is, they're...
Well, these people were former cannibals.
So the elders used to eat human meat when they were young.
And it was...
They explained to me that in the rainy season, they couldn't get enough fish.
So the only way to get protein was to eat their neighbors.
No, they survive with canned fish in the rainy season.
Okay, but did you go there by yourself?
I just have to know.
Yeah.
Completely alone?
Yeah, I hitchhiked and got in a boat and just kind of arrived at the village.
Unbelievable.
Okay.
Well, you must have an incredibly strong personality.
I had read, you know, the teachings of Don Juan, right?
And I was looking for a witch doctor to do an apprenticeship.
I see.
I actually found a witch doctor and did do an apprenticeship on Amazon.
So you had some training in magic?
Yeah, I can purge river spirits and stuff from you if you need it.
Good to hear.
I know some of the herbs and plants.
I did a lot of this stuff called ayahuasca.
Oh, that's like a trippy drug, right?
Yeah, at the time, there was almost nothing written about it in English, right?
Like I said, I had to go right up to the upper reaches of the Ukulele River and out to find the people, Indians, to find the stuff.
So you can imagine my surprise when I see it for sale on the street here as a legal drug years later, which it shouldn't be.
You mean here in Tokyo?
Yeah.
Okay.
That's interesting.
Well, there's no specific law against it.
But anyway...
So fast forward, you're here, you're in Tokyo, you've gone to college, and did you go to apply to work for Forbes at that point?
No, my first job, I wanted to write a theory of everything.
You know, you can't really pay the bills that way.
So, the first job I got was with an outfit called Knight Ridder, which was part of the Knight Ridder newspaper chain.
Right.
But it was their financial wire.
So, I would go and meet the finance ministers and governors of Bank of Japan and stuff.
All the market news.
My stories would move the dollar, or move the yen, or move the price of commodities every week, just back and forth.
And it's really amazing to see that What I learned there as a financial market reporter is that finance is mass psychology.
It's mob psychology.
And that was a very interesting lesson that you don't learn in the school club.
So you learned the power of the written word at that point, right?
Well, it's the information and how they all have this story that they're following.
And they're looking for slight changes, for example.
If the Governor of the Bank of Japan says, well, we might tighten interest rates a bit.
Everything moves, right?
Or even for the commodity markets, rumors that China is going to buy oil or something like that, cause everything to move.
But tell me something about your background, because we listen to this interview with the Canadian radio, and you show an incredible understanding about the economy of the world, really, and what makes it tick.
And I'm just wondering, where did you learn everything that you learned in that way?
Well, of course, I did all the university classes in economics and stuff.
But basically, for over 20 years, I've been I've been following it, writing about it.
Everybody comes through Tokyo.
Presidents, Prime Ministers, Finance Ministers.
They have their G7s and all that stuff.
G7 is here right now, as you may know.
So I've been following it for over 20 years at the highest level.
I've been interviewing gangsters, Prime Ministers, Finance Ministers, Presidents of big companies, Presidents of small companies.
More than 20 years, almost 30 years, interviewing all sorts of people.
So it's an education in itself, I guess, interviewing, as we find.
As a journalist, you know, you find that your job is a filter.
You suck in huge amounts of information and look for the nuggets that are easy to understand and convey the essence, and you give that to the public.
So that's the job, you know.
You're an information filter.
Well this is categorically what you haven't been doing.
You're a real maverick in this field.
Well, you see, it's very high-level propaganda.
They're brainwashed.
They really, really do not understand the essence of what it's all about.
And that's the trick.
They try to get people sidetracked into esoteric mathematics and they try to cover it with lots of complex words.
So, you know, They come up with these derivatives that are so complex that most people don't even understand what they mean anymore.
Like, I remember, even almost 15 years ago or more, talking about Delta hedge formations and, you know...
And so they get into this stuff, and it blinds them.
It's like almost a deliberate, you know, confusion.
Because at the essence, it's really very simple.
Economics is people working to earn their living.
And finance is a process of deciding what people will do next.
And they try to not let us understand this.
Especially the part about finance.
And that is the key to the world's problems now.
So how did you, as a journalist for Forbes, was it gradual the way that you...
Because I can imagine if you have this knowledge that you have and you have this approach, as a journalist, didn't you get pushback from Forbes saying, no, don't write this or don't phrase it that way?
Okay, maybe I should give you...
I'll show you how I discovered things in chronological order, maybe the easiest way.
The first thing I noticed in Japan that everything was not as it seemed was when I saw some people line up at a little booth.
And I said, what are you doing?
I said, well, we're exchanging our prizes for money from the pachinko, which is a kind of slot machine.
And you find out that they have a huge gambling industry with giant neon signs everywhere that's basically illegal.
And yet it functions openly and With rules.
For example, no matter how hard you can try, it's going to be hard to lose more than a thousand dollars a day at those places.
So, here we have a whole system outside of the legal framework.
And it connects policemen, gangsters, and businessmen, all outside of the so-called legal apparatus.
So this is something that made me realize something was different about this country.
It was not just an Asian version of Canada, which on the surface it is.
They have the upper house, the lower house, you know, they have the courts and everything.
So structurally it's the same, but in essence it's totally different.
What I learned was that this so-called legal democratic system was a front for a very different real power structure.
Okay.
This is something that I learned in tidbits.
But the first was a pachinko.
Another one was a friend of mine got beaten up by a gangster in front of a police box.
We went to the police box, and the police box guy said, the policeman said, you shouldn't pick fights with gangsters.
That's it.
So, again, I said, geez, that's weird.
But again, I thought this was just related to gambling and prostitution, which is kind of a gray area anywhere, really.
So, you know, I didn't think much about it until, as a financial journalist with the wire service, it's very important to be quick.
If you beat your competitors by 30 seconds, it's considered a big scoop.
So you have to find out where the power comes from.
And talking, for example, to the bureaucrats at the agriculture ministry, they said, well, if you want to know what's really happening, you talk to Mr.
Kato Koichi Kato.
He was a LDP power broker.
And he was the man making decisions then.
So I got to know him.
And I got called as a pinch hitter for one of his speeches.
And then he came up and made his speech.
And it was very impressive.
And then he got a big fat envelope of cash.
I said, oh, politics, ah, you know.
And then I thought the finance ministry was the real source of power in Japan.
That's what people believed.
It was the most powerful bureaucracy.
But when I started talking to finance minister people, when I started talking to people in the finance ministry, they told me, finally, if you really want to know what's going on, you have to go to Nomura Securities.
And this was in the 80s.
It's different now.
But in the 80s, during the bubble, Numeric Securities had a VIP list of 5,000 people.
And they had these two bosses, the Big Tabuchi and the Little Tabuchi, not related, who were later approved to be connected to a big crime gang.
But they would take all these journalists, politicians, you know, sort of top movers and shakers, and they'd lend them a couple million dollars.
And they'd say, buy this stock.
And then they would take every salesman in the country and all their journalistic connections and say, these are the stocks you've got to buy now.
And every housewife and small businessman and doctor would buy these stocks, the price would go up, and the VIPs would sell.
So that was how they controlled politics.
You say it's different now, so how is it different?
Well, it's different players, different ways of handing out the money.
And in fact, that is the core of the problem which we're dealing with.
We'll do this step by step because it's easier to see the whole story then.
So, I got quite cynical about Japan, but the real clincher for me was the Jusen housing loan scandal.
This was a bunch of companies that lent only for real estate.
And after the Japanese bubble burst, it was the first time they were going to use taxpayer money.
By the way, in 1992, the Japanese government already knew they had 200 trillion yen in bad debt.
But the newspapers only said 2 or 3 trillion.
It wasn't until more than 10 years later they finally admitted the whole number.
And that's what's happening in the U.S. right now, only they're not going to have 10 years because they didn't borrow it from other Americans.
They borrowed it from the rest of the world.
So you'll see huge changes there, but we'll get to that.
Anyway.
This is a question I'd like to bookmark because I remember that you said to Rents that you felt that, in your opinion, the U.S. debt was $120 trillion.
And I went and looked it up and thought, I wonder where that figure comes from.
So I'd like to ask you that.
I can tell you right now, the $66 trillion comes from the essay by Professor Kilbourne that was published by the St.
Louis Federal Reserve Board Branch in 2005.
And that's the money they owe to American citizens.
You know, stuff they promised to pay, like Medicaid and Social Security and things like that.
It's in that essay.
You can find it.
Now, the other $53 trillion is the amount of dollars out in circulation outside the US. That's the amount of...
I gotcha.
So add them together and you get $120 trillion.
Yes.
I mean, you've only got a GDP of 13 trillion.
You know, this is where the whole scam unravels.
We'll get to that.
Okay, so this housing, you've got the housing.
All right, so here's the point.
I was working for the Nihon Keizai Shimbun at this point.
It's like the Japanese Wall Street Journal.
It's in Japanese, but it's their number one business finance newspaper by far.
And...
They were talking about pouring in tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer money to bail out these companies.
And there were some weird discussions about borrower responsibility.
Borrower responsibility?
What's going on here?
And so, who are these borrowers?
And it turns out, my sources were people at the Bank of Japan and Various other agencies, like credit rating agencies, that more than half the loans were made to gangsters, to Yakuza gangs.
To me it was an amazing thing.
Here we have the government using tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money to bail out companies that lent money to gangsters.
And they were all headed by former finance ministry officials.
So you see a link now between the finance ministry officials Politicians and gangsters.
And they're using taxpayer money to give to the gangsters, right?
So, I wrote this up in the English Nikkei.
And there was a huge reaction.
Over 400 foreign journalists or magazines wrote similar stories.
Half the housing loans went to gangsters, right?
And then Newsweek wrote a story, almost identical to mine.
And then the Nikkei, their own paper, said, according to Newsweek, half the loans to the juice and companies are to Yakuza.
And I went to the editor, I said, hey, I wrote that story first, why do you say according to Newsweek?
And they called me up and they gave me the editor's award and $50.
And then they told me, Mr.
Fulford, you know, you really shouldn't write stuff like that.
It's just not done and it could be dangerous.
And after that they started watching me.
They would not let me write anything except the stuff the government announced.
Wow.
And this is after you left Forbes?
You're writing for the...
Before I got to Forbes.
Oh, before you got to Forbes.
Okay.
Right?
So I started to realize the Japanese press was not at all free.
I see.
And, you know, it turns out there was an editor at the Nikkei, Mr.
Otsuka, who won a bunch of awards for writing about the Itoman scandal, which...
And then he was suddenly sent off to some weird subdivision, removed from the reporting business.
And he got very suspicious and he started following the president around.
It turns out they lent like 100 million dollars to gangsters, money that would never come back.
And the Itoman scandal was another huge one, which basically one of Japan's largest banks, Sumitomo Bank, had been taken over by a crime syndicate.
That's what the story really boiled down to.
It's a long, complicated thing.
Anyway, I started to realize that the newspapers and the politicians and the bureaucrats and the gangsters were all together in some kind of crooked power structure that was totally different from what people were seeing on their television and reading in their newspapers.
And I got totally disgusted when they started suppressing my stories.
So I quit the Nikkei.
I worked as a freelancer for a while.
I was trying to Morning Post a bunch of places before I got the job with Forbes.
And at first, the people at Forbes were happy to let me write stories about gangsters.
I did one on public works.
I got a formal letter of protest from the Japanese Embassy in Washington.
I thought, you know, I hit a sore point, right?
And then there was another story I did.
When they were finally starting to clear up the bad debt with the banks, I was finding all sorts of people were dying.
And this is either committing suicide or, you know, disappearing, whatever.
But this is not a typical what you call harakiri suicides where you did something bad and you kill yourself to apologize.
It was people who were going to testify, people who were going to...
Yeah, I mean, prosecute people.
For example, there was a financial scandal, and the president of Daichi Kangyo Bank, which is now a part of Mizuho, was due to testify.
The day before he was going to testify, at 11 o'clock at night, his wife left the house, and about 10 men in black clothing showed up, the lights turned off, then they left.
At around 1 a.m., the wife came home and he was dead.
And they said it was a suicide.
Now this came from the English version of the Yomiuri newspaper.
It did not appear in the Japanese version.
Okay?
Now, so I then...
At this point, I made lots of gangster connections because I realized that to understand what's going on in finance, you need to not talk to gangsters.
Otherwise, you don't know what else is going on at all.
Okay.
And so, there was a bank called Nippon Credit Bank that turned into Aozora Bank.
I think it's now owned by some one of those U.S. hedge funds, maybe Carlisle, I can't remember, I'll have to check, but anyway.
The director from the Bank of Japan, Mr.
Honma, was made president.
Two weeks later, he was found home.
They said it was a suicide.
And I knew this guy from when I used to cover the bank in Japan.
I said, no way he could have committed suicide.
So I asked my gangster buddy, and he said, well, I'll check out with the guys down in Osaka.
And I meet him again.
He says, well, what happened was they pointed a gun at him, told him to write his will, and they injected with him a sleeping drug, and they hung him.
And of course, I cannot write a story based on an anonymous gangster.
And I knew he was a gangster because I had a detective agency confirm for me if he really was what he said he was.
He was a senior boss of one of the biggest gangs.
So I called the hotel where they found his body and said, yeah, well, you know the place they found the body where there's nowhere to hang himself from.
Right?
So I called the police and said, well, you said you found the body by the window, but there's nowhere to hang himself by the window.
So the police changed it and said, oh, well, we found him in the bathroom.
And there was a Japanese TV personality in the room next door, Mori Kumiko, or Kumiko Mori.
She's...
In Japan, she does the voice of Pikachu, you know, from the...
What is it?
Pocket Monsters?
Oh, yeah.
Pokemon?
Anyway, she's well-known in Japan.
Okay.
And she wrote in her blog that there was screaming and moaning in the room next door, and she couldn't sleep, and there was no way that could have been a suicide.
And I confirmed that with her manager.
And apparently...
He was killed because a bunch of loans to North Korean credit cooperatives.
He was going to call them his bad loans.
And if he did that, he would have exposed a huge North Korean ruling party underground link.
The North Koreans have been sending pachinko money to Japan, importing amphetamines, doing all sorts of stuff.
And to get the police to turn a blind eye, they paid huge bribes to the ruling party over the years.
Did you write about this?
I wrote it in Forbes, yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah, it's there.
Although, you know, the editors were such chickens that they really took a lot out of that story, but it's still there.
You can still find it.
I started digging deeper.
But then, suddenly, Forbes starts putting pressure on me.
I had a story about GE doing some very funky accounting here involving billions of dollars, you know, They killed it without explanation.
And then Citigroup was kicked out of Japan for money laundering for gangsters.
They were kicked out.
And that story didn't run, right?
And finally, what for me was the last straw was an antivirus software company paid a guy to make a virus, a computer virus.
Right?
And I talked to the guy who made the virus, you know, some guy living in a Filipino slum, but he's got a brand new $20,000 car, you know.
Anyway, they said to me, well, this guy, the president of the company is a friend of Mr.
Forbes, and he bought a lot of advertising, and so we're not running a store.
So they told you that?
They actually told you the reason?
Well, the editor told me that, you know, we have problems with your facts, Mr.
Fulford.
You know, fact-checking.
This is their trick.
They raise the hurdle higher and higher.
Facts.
For example, you saw him in bed together.
Are you sure?
That doesn't mean they're making love.
Was there a blanket on top?
No, there's no blanket.
Well, did you see the actual penetration?
Well, no, his butt was in the way.
Oh, well, then we don't know.
You can't confirm it.
Sorry.
That's their trick.
That's how they train the corporate media.
They raise the spectrum.
But anyway, the business manager told me the real reason.
Okay.
The advertising and stuff.
So, you know, I get one thing from the editor and another thing from the business manager.
Right.
I got totally disgusted and alienated, right?
And so after that, the quality of my work at Forbes degenerated because I just didn't give a damn.
And I was going to quit.
I was getting ready to quit.
At that point, a book of mine appeared in Japanese and became a bestseller.
So I didn't need the income.
A book about what?
This isn't the Rockefeller one, is it?
No, no, no.
This is stuff that came out a long time ago.
Some of the stuff I just told you about the murders and the other stuff going on was about Japanese corruption.
And a lot of people in Japan knew something that this was going on.
So anyway, I wrote several bestsellers like that.
I had an independent income.
But what really made things click for me was I was on a TV debate show with some of Japan's top politicians.
And I said, these are the guys running this country?
Come on.
You gotta give me a break.
They're retards.
I'm sorry to say this, but they're not high caliber.
Okay?
I'm debating.
I said, what on earth is going on?
Now I know, of course, they're just actors reading a script, but at the time I thought, you know, my God, I could do better.
And then I suddenly, it was like, it was too enormous, the thought, but I realized, oh my God.
The Japanese have five trillion dollars in overseas assets.
That's enough money to end poverty and stop environmental destruction.
Well, why don't they use it?
And I decided, hell, you know...
I could become a cynical, alcoholic, you know, foreign correspondent old fart like I see so many of at the Foreign Correspondents Club, you know, who just, their careers platter out and they just spend years coasting along and getting bitter and cynical.
I said, no, hell with that.
I'll become a Japanese citizen, I'll try to run for office, and I'll try to convince them to use this money to save the world.
You know, that makes so much sense.
But...
At the same time though, I was very confused and bitter.
Another part of me was saying, well, you should write a book about Japan.
And then leave the country, go to Hollywood, try to become a scriptwriter or something.
So it's two conflicting ideas in my mind.
You know, I had that one idea, but it's just too big and too, it's no, no, you know, it just can't be real, right?
But, so I wrote two chapters that would have really, you know, named names, you know, specific politicians, specific crimes, specific gangsters.
And it would have been so...
Much of an expose that I would have had to either leave Japan or be killed after the book was published.
The very day after I sent two chapters to my agent in English, I got a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji Emperor, Kaoru Nakamaru, and she said to me, you know, Mr.
Fulford, you really should not get the Yakuza angry.
And are you sure that's what you really want to do?
Isn't there something else you'd rather do?
And I said, you know, why is this lady calling me at this timing?
And she tells me that a goddess had contacted her through the astral plane and was worried about me.
Well, it turns out the goddess was the Japanese security police.
But...
You know, whatever.
She still insists it's a goddess.
Only one time did she tell me it was the police.
Every other time she says it's a goddess.
But anyway, it doesn't matter.
It was the timing.
And what you really want to do, isn't that something else?
And I realized, yes, you know, I want to save the world.
And unlike so many people who want to do that, I actually had a concrete method.
So it was five trillion dollars.
Well, that's enough money.
And you can't take that money out of the U.S. because that would ruin the U.S. economy, so you have to pay Americans to do it, right?
So that they benefit as well.
Otherwise, you know, in the past, what happened is a Japanese politician threatens to take that money out of the U.S. Well, then the U.S. is going to get very angry and try to crush that politician, right?
So I think, okay, we'll do it in such a way that the Americans benefit too.
Then they can't complain.
And this is where I started writing books along the lines.
Why don't the Japanese save the world?
Okay.
But what happened though, you see, this Meiji Emperor's granddaughter handed me a 911 video and said, look, Mr.
Fulford, you know all about the corruption in Japan, but you have no idea about the corruption in the world.
Right?
And when she gave me that, I was shocked.
I said, oh my god, I read about this in the New York Times.
This is some anti-Semitic thing.
I'm not going to look at that, you know, because we've all been trained.
Anti-Semitic equals Nazi, which equals gas chambers, right?
And you don't want to be involved with people who want to kill millions of innocent people, right?
So this is the sort of thinking I had.
So I wasn't even going to look at it.
Because I had it all associated.
And she kept calling me, did you watch it?
No, did you watch it?
And finally I said, oh man, I'll watch ten minutes so I can tell that I watched it.
And when I did, it was like the scales fell off my eyes, as they say in Japanese.
It's like...
Remember, I was a financial journalist for a long time, and because so many people read what you write, it moves markets.
So you have a constant barrage of people trying to feed you BS information, which means you build very high immunity to false information.
Okay.
So I knew.
I mean, you know, this is something very, very weird.
Because...
And the problem most people at the high level of Western society have with the 911 thing...
They say, well no, because I don't care what evidence they show me, there's no way on earth that the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC wouldn't be reporting this.
Because to accept that it was a cabal in the US government that did this, it means to accept that the entire belief system you have about your society is wrong.
But having experienced what I did at Forbes with censorship and what I knew about the Japanese corruption, so I started to do the research.
Find out what's been going on here.
And the answer is essentially that European society is not really democratic anymore.
It's a plutocracy combined with an aristocracy, and the democracy is kind of a way of keeping tabs on the sheep sentiment, you know.
Keeping them, giving them a way to vent their frustrations within very restricted boundaries.
This is, so...
You know, there's many different words out there that people use, and it makes it very hard.
A lot of people have trouble, even now, believing this stuff.
So, what I'm able to do is I can show you, within the normal matrix of financial reports, Wall Street Journal stuff, how to trace it.
Okay?
And what you need to do, and what I did finally to figure this out, is you go back to the 1918 edition of Forbes, their first rich list.
And you'll find that the top 10 richest Americans controlled 70% of the money in the country.
John Rockefeller I was worth about $30 billion in today's money.
And I think he controlled 25% of all the wealth in the US at the time.
What happened was, the reason why the Rockefellers do not appear as so rich in the Forbes list, and remember, one of my jobs was to identify billionaires and count their money, was because it's put in as a charitable foundation.
And, in fact, they have hundreds of them.
Rockefeller, Carnegie, Brookings, Hudson's, The whole alphabet soup of them.
But each generation of the Rockefeller families and the other families, the Morgans, which are the Bush people and stuff, you can see that they inherit the power.
They still control that money.
And they have a system so that each generation has one person in charge.
So it's like a kind of hidden aristocracy.
Instead of inheriting land, They inherit assets.
And everybody who works within those assets is like a peasant working on the Lord's estate.
So if you work for Standard Oil, you're a Rockefeller serf, in a way.
Because they have the ultimate control.
Okay, that's the Rockefeller side of things.
Are you also able to trace it from the Rothschilds, the European side?
Yeah.
Now...
The Rothschild thing goes back 300 years, basically.
I think this is well-known stuff, but I can summarize it for you.
It was the first Rothschild to appear set up in Frankfurt with a red shield.
He changed his name, Red Shield, right?
Rothschild.
And the local king.
Was going to get involved in a war.
And Rothschild said, I'll lend you a bunch of money.
And if you win, if you lose, you don't have to pay me back.
If you win, I'd like to be your banker.
And of course, when he had all this extra money, he could hire lots of more extra soldiers.
And he won.
And here we have the beginning of a link between royalty and finance.
Kings like wars?
Wars cost money.
And the process of intermarriage between these financial and aristocratic families began.
That is, you know, well, it's been going on for 300 years.
But the next big thing is we go to...
He had five sons.
They were set to different parts of Europe.
And they had, you know, they were only bankers to kings.
They tried to, you know, at the very highest level.
And Nathan Rothschild...
He went to England.
He started out buying cloth inside it.
And then he started, you know, realizing if I control the dye makers and the cloth maker and put it all together, I can make more profit.
So he was exporting British textiles at first.
He got richer and richer.
And his big, big coup came from the Battle of Waterloo.
Where the British exchange, everyone was wondering if the British were going to win or lose, right?
And they knew the Rothschilds had very fast information, quicker than anyone else.
My assumption is they were involved in insider trading with the king.
Okay?
Because suddenly Rothschilds started selling everything.
Just sell whatever you got.
Sell, sell, sell.
And everyone thought, oh my god, the British lost, the British lost.
And stuff that was worth a hundred would fall down like two or three.
And everyone panicked.
They said, oh my god, sell it while you have a chance.
We're all going to be Napoleonic slaves anyway.
And then, when it fell down, he started buying it all up.
And the news came.
The British won.
And it had been 100, rose to 200.
And he controlled most of British wealth after that time.
And he said, I don't care, this is a famous quote, I don't know the exact words, but what fool sits in the crown of England?
Whoever controls the money of England controls England, and I control the money of England.
However, you know, I think the Rothschilds had very deep religious convictions.
And were at heart fairly decent people.
The reason I say that is because although they apparently financed and engineered the US Revolution in 1776 with the East India Company money, they also financed and engineered the Meiji reforms.
But these are good things in many ways.
Canada was always been Rothschild territory and Canada is a very nice country.
I don't think they're the same level.
Their system was basically ancient Babylonian royalty.
And this is where it gets really weird and esoteric.
It goes back 5,771 years.
The Rothschilds used to say they were descendants of Nimrod, who conquered the peoples of Babylonia.
They were a herding people, a pastoral people.
And they conquered the people of Babylonia, or present-day Iraq.
And they said, well, isn't there some way we can herd people the way you herd sheep?
And they came up with the system.
You have to control their food supply, you have to control their information supply, and you have to have means of violence to discipline them.
And this was the start of the Bible, the Old Testament.
They took all the different stories people had and put it into one story.
And this is the only story people are allowed to have.
Easy time, easy time, easy time, easy time, easy time, easy time.