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Nov. 15, 2007 - Project Camelot
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Project Camelot interviews Gordon Novel
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My name is Gordon Novell.
I have been involved in things like Watergate and JFK's assassination, the DeLorean drama, Waco and others that would be better not mentioned.
They're all over our rights, you know.
The Constitution is out the window.
The Patriot Act is a joke.
It's a fascist document.
Why?
And the answer is paradoxes.
They recognized in the mid-50s they probably had rigs, dugway, etc.
that were beginning to go up and down from the thing and they began to recognize the paradoxes.
And the paradoxes are, tell me how you're going to run an economy.
We're getting ready to cut loose a study with Arlington Institute on how do you run an economy if you know the future.
How do you do it?
How do you do it?
We're interested in the plutopian enhancement of the economy from about 44 trillion GDP currently to about a quadrillion a year in about 10 years and making everybody about a hundred times more wealthy and spreading the wealth out and causing an equalization and people don't have to work if they don't have to pay for energy.
But how many of them are real?
Have you ever seen a photograph of an E.T. that you really believe was a photograph of E.T.? And the answer is, I ain't seen one yet.
Now do I believe they're out there?
The question is, yes.
But what Burish said seemed to be real, and I would believe that he got to meet them.
They would interface with Majestic before they would interface with a group of mad rebels.
I'm in favor of what I call the extraterrestrial revolution, which gets rid of the need for government and all of this crap that goes with it.
These decision-makers that basically screw with our lives over the day.
They know that we will play hardball and that we know how to play hardball.
I mean, thanks to Bill Hamilton, identifying all the majestic characters, you can go chase them.
You know, they're chasable.
The guy's really got a tail.
That's right.
And I would suspect that if he and I could get on the same page, that he would be able to communicate to the majestic inner circle of, hey, you need to consider what these guys are doing, because they're going to do it with you or without you.
They've got your technology.
They've got it.
They're prepared to fight you at the drop of a lawsuit.
Well, so what do you want to do?
You want them to join your team?
Well, ideally, it would be to get majestic on our side.
That's what I'm asking about.
Yeah, absolutely.
Then, we can confront the Bilderbergers, because when I tried to confront the Bilderbergers via Kissinger and Brzezinski, the next thing I know is, I mean, marijuana's turning up my pocket, crack cocaine under my front seat of my car, videotaping going out, da-da-da-da-da, my apartment's being black bagged, I mean, it was endless.
I mean, I got a list of all that crap.
What's the difference between the mafia and the government if they're trying to kill you?
None.
Nothing.
They're all the same.
It's all gangsters.
If I had to do a biography today, I'd title it Government by Gangster.
My experience is as a citizen of the United States of America.
Hal has told me stories of interviews that he's had with generals who said, yes, we put all the money into paying for studies to keep universities from doing anti-graph work in the physics department and we would give them five million dollars to do the six habits of fruit flies, you know, that kind of stuff.
They stopped all anti-gravity research commencing in the mid-50s.
For reasons beyond his control, Mr.
Novell was not responsible for the final economic planning, construction, management, or operations of the exposition.
For the many years I have known Mr.
Novell, he has always been a gentleman and a businessman of honor and integrity with a highly creative and very broad macro vision.
He has extensive business, political, intelligence, research, and technical skills in program planning, organization, and proper management execution on any scale.
During the long term of our relationship, Gordon has become nationally known for his controversial investigative concerns and sociopolitical campaigns.
He is, in point of fact, an absolutely fearless individual in pursuit of the people's justice when he believes in the righteousness of his cause.
By definition, he is a true American patriot.
I highly recommend him to anyone for his experience, leadership, genius, and persistence and determination to see his or others' visions successfully realized.
I am proud to call him my friend, Blanker.
That's a great name.
Yeah.
Is that a publishable letter?
Yes.
So Gordon, you are a very, let's say, notorious individual and we are incredibly pleased to be able to interview you today.
You've got an incredible project that we're not going to talk about at all, I don't think.
But you've certainly raised our curiosity and our admiration by the amazing amount of work you're going into to actually, can I say, bring free energy to the planet?
Hopefully.
Hopefully?
Yeah.
Okay.
Tell me a little bit about who you are for people that have never heard, I know it's hard to believe, but have never heard of Gordon Novell.
Well, I don't know how to, my name is Gordon Novell.
I have been involved in things like Watergate and JFK's assassination and The Lorian drama and Waco and others that would be better not mentioned that were more intelligence oriented or foreign intelligence oriented.
So I kind of stay away from talking about that.
Okay.
And I have never worked for the CIA. I'm not a CIA agent.
I'm affiliated.
I work with And we have a mutual admiration society based upon my relationship with the individuals I work with.
Okay, and can you name those individuals or not?
I'd prefer not to at this time.
I think it would be a better idea not to mention them.
They're known, but I don't need the ego trip of that association.
Okay.
And right now you actually have a project that you're coming to Hollywood to...
a movie.
That's okay to say, right?
Yeah, yeah.
We're doing a trilogy project on a trilogy of films called Kingdoms Come with my co-producer Doug Ivanovich and we're currently in the process of funding the project in the hundreds of millions of dollar level.
Okay.
And...
Is it correct that the CIA is actually backing your other project?
Is that something you want to say?
They're interested in supporting and endorsing a number of things that I'm doing because they are capable of changing things like global warming and getting rid of global warming and getting rid of the chaotic conditions of our current New World Order and that kind of thing.
Getting rid of the murder and mayhem that goes on in the planet.
Okay, and this is now, would you say, the good side of the CIA? Definitely.
There's more than one side to the CIA, is there not?
The CIA has multiple sides, but it's been my experience over the years that they're basically the only good guys in the entire United States government.
They're really patriots.
Most of them are patriots, and I've never known I personally have never known them to do anything criminal, ever, and they didn't kill John Kennedy, and they didn't kill a lot of people that they've been accused of causing the death of, but I don't know that to be true, so I can tell you that my experience with them has been like dealing with Eagle Scouts.
Okay.
How long have you been dealing with them?
Since about age 20.
Did you have anything to do with the death of Robert Kennedy or Jack Kennedy?
No, absolutely not.
Now, why do people think that you did?
Because I was working at the White House on a counterintelligence project that was kind of important and then I got referenced over to Garrison and he made me as Chief of Security and I discovered that he was fabricating evidence and he found out that I had discovered that and turned it over to NBC. He decided that the best way was to make me his most important material witness since he
wasn't accusing me of a crime.
But it cost me a lot of grief and a lot of people thought I was involved, which I wasn't.
Never was involved in that.
I have one of the best alibis in the world.
And you actually have a lot of feeling or simpatico.
Isn't that true with what Kennedy stood for?
Yeah, I was in favor of his revelations that were apparently about to happen having to do with extraterrestrials and the technologies and I think that they kept him in the dark on a lot of stuff and it was one of the reasons that motivated him to want to go to the moon.
So I was very pro John F. Kennedy.
Okay.
Very pro.
Very pro.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
And what about Robert Kennedy?
I was personally affiliated with the Attorney General during the garrison thing and afterwards when he ran for president.
My only feeling about him is that he probably helped precipitate a lot of the problems that caused the assassination of his brother.
About chasing the Mafia, for example.
Because the Mafia supported his brother's election substantively and they got very angry at him along with folks like the ex-Galen Organization of the Nazis and other people like that.
And Majestic, I might add, were really all out to get him and didn't want him to...
So Majestic was around back then?
Yeah.
Did they have something to do with the death of Robert Kennedy?
I don't think that they had anything to do with the death of Robert Kennedy.
If Robert Kennedy was murdered by an assassination, it was a Manchurian Canada type of thing, and I don't know who engineered it.
I've never, ever known an individual at the CIA to ever indicate to me that they were part of any plot, and I've known a lot of them, including directors.
And what about John Kennedy?
Was that a Manchurian candidate as well?
No, I think it was just a patsy.
Oswald was picked for his role in maybe one of a dozen plots that were being hatched off at the time, and he just happened to be in the right place at the right time to pin the tail on the donkey.
Okay.
So how many shots were fired?
I mean, you can, near as I can hear, there were like three or four, so, you know, I don't believe that anybody could have done that the way they claim he did it, and I couldn't do it, and I don't know anybody that could do it, and So I don't believe it.
I don't believe that Malick or Carcano did the deed.
It may have well been used in the deed, but did it actually cause the death?
I'm not sure what did it.
Could have been frangible bullets coming from somewhere else up in the grass, you know, etc.
And did you think that, I guess, Lyndon Johnson or anyone else had a hand in it?
If they did, they certainly kept it away from me, because I was working with the Chief of Staff at the White House at the time, and when the garrison thing came down, I was working with the Chief of Staff, and I never knew any involvement by the Chief of Staff or Mr.
Johnson, and I was very friendly with both of them.
So the answer is, I don't think that...
I think they were...
They were just down the pecking order of power that runs the world and they just happened to be conveniently in the places where they were at the time.
Okay, so, well, as far as Majestic or the Illuminati or the Bilderbergs or the Rockefellers...
The Galen Org.
The Galen Org.
There was a German SS officer by the name of Galen who had a continuing organization that continued on past World War II that was substantively involved in lots of nasty stuff and still is today.
Okay.
And are they set up in this country?
They're set up all over the world.
But they mostly answer, if not to the Illuminati, is the only place I know that they answer to anybody.
Most people all answer to the Illuminati if there's any power in any country.
What about Majestic?
Do they get along with the Illuminati?
According to my information, Majestic and the Illuminati are not seeing eye to eye over the idea of triaging the population of the planet in order to bring the population down to a workable level or it's safe to We're approaching a very high number around 7 billion people and they would like to triage a bunch of the population and Majestic which is mostly US military people and some other foreigners don't want to see that.
They're not in favor of mass assassination by AIDS viruses and stuff like that.
So this is a good side to the Majestic 12?
It's the only good side I know of.
Okay, because I know you're not real friendly with them.
I am friendly with a couple of the members of it, but I'm not friendly with their programs to destabilize some of my businesses.
They were very nasty last year and we almost ended up whacking each other and it didn't happen because of the CIA safe house agreement that protected me and saved my life actually.
So I'm very, very, very indebted to the CIA. So what can you tell us about why you don't get along with Majestic?
Like what is it that puts you guys at odds?
Maybe this will tell us why the CIA doesn't get along with Majestic.
We sort of expropriated their technologies from the aliens and we're not giving it back.
You personally?
Yeah.
We got very lucky back about 17, 18 years ago and we got our hands on the technology and worked to reverse engineer it and pretty much figured it out.
At which point we began to figure out everything that they were doing.
So they don't like the fact that I have that and I have put up a protective wall that they can't beat.
So killing me is just going to cause it to go all over the web.
So there's CD-ROMs that are all packaged real well against that eventuality.
They better hope I never have a heart attack.
Okay.
So you've set that up so you're protected.
Yeah, I have a lot of friends in foreign countries who have copies of the CD-ROM, which is basically a Green Mail 101 type of document that says, as long as you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.
You fool with me, I'll eat your lunch.
So tell me a little bit about how you came across, I mean you're really a big picture thinker, and how did you actually start thinking along these lines?
I started off as an aeronautical engineer when I was in college and I got real interested in what makes UFOs go and so I just kind of pursued the trail of the technology as opposed to the aliens and that kind of stuff and that's all I do is pursue the technology.
I got lucky.
I got very, very lucky and got my hands on a cutaway of their bird.
And then used the cutaway, the engineering cutaways, to reverse engineer the technology.
But you're not basing your theories on, say, Tesla or Otis cars, isn't that right?
No, we base it on what we can see is functional and works.
We know is real.
We've got about 12,000 frames of film of the bird dancing around the skies of Area 51.
So this is an ARV, isn't that what it's called?
That's what some people call it.
We call it RAM, replication alien machine.
Oh, I see.
They call it alien reproduction vehicle and we don't do that.
We are into the universality of the circuit design that they use to negate gravity inertia and time.
Okay, so you know something about time travel as well.
Yeah, a UFO is probably very much like the cars in Back to the Future, they are flying time machines.
They're capable of going backwards and forwards in time.
And what's your vision?
What's your vision for the world?
Could you tell us in general terms?
Our vision is to get the energy out there so that we can eliminate oil, coal and gas and nuclear fuels from polluting the atmosphere and causing the carbon dioxide that's creating the global warming.
That and the concomitant reduction in the cost of living by about 80% of the cost of living is attributed to the paying for of energy.
So if you don't have to pay it out, you get to keep it.
Okay, but aren't you worried about the economy?
You're actually trying to safeguard certain aspects of the economy in the process.
Yeah, we're interested in the plutopian enhancement of the economy from about 44 trillion GDP currently to about a quadrillion a year in about 10 years, and making everybody about 100 times more we're interested in the plutopian enhancement of the economy from about 44 trillion GDP currently to about a quadrillion a people don't have to work if they don't have to pay for energy.
Okay, so, but you're also, you're worried about the bankers?
Isn't that what you're telling me?
Yeah, we're definitely worried about the paradoxes that are associated with time travel in terms of its interference and how you'd run an economy and how you'd have government.
If you knew what the future's going to be, how do you have...
Interests.
How do you have stocks?
How do you have bonds?
How do you have banks?
How do you have taxes?
How do you have government?
Because that's all.
Okay, why just because you're going to build a vehicle are you going to know the future?
The vehicle creates those problems that you must resolve before you can introduce the technology.
You've got to know what the resolution of those paradoxes are, we call them.
They create mindsets that are very dramatic in terms of how people's brains function.
Is that because when you get in a vehicle, you're actually time traveling?
Well, to negate gravity, you've got to negate time.
And so time is the power of the bird.
And that's where the power...
We don't believe it comes from space or zero point.
We believe it comes from time, purely and simply.
And that energy and time are the same thing.
And isn't Bill Hamilton working with you at this time?
Oh, yeah.
He's one of my science team.
Because he's written a book on time travel, I know.
Yeah, it's quite accurate, I might have.
Oh, very good.
That's nice to hear.
And what about Ramsey Clark?
What's your relationship with Ramsey?
Ramsey and I have been friends since I was in my early 20s, working at the White House and counterintelligence measures, electronic countermeasures, for the Johnson administration.
I've subsequently been associated with the Republicans, with President Nixon and President Reagan.
Okay, but now, didn't you call yourself a libertarian anarchist?
Is that right?
I've gone from being originally a democrat to a republican to a libertarian to a libertarian anarchist.
I'm in favor of massive change.
I'm in favor of what I call the extraterrestrial revolution, which It gets rid of the need for government and all of this crap that goes with it.
These decision makers that basically screw with our lives every day.
Okay.
And I don't think they're necessary.
If we know the future, we don't need people to make decisions for us.
Decisions already made.
Okay, why aren't you working with Bob Bigelow, for example?
Because Mr.
Bigelow is worried, apparently, about his funding from the Senate and the Congress for his inflatable tabs that he's putting up in the shuttle and some of his satellite work.
If he does work on alien technology, then he won't get funded.
They don't want to fund you.
The government can't fund you.
Is that because Majestic holds the rights over the alien technology?
No, we own the intellectual property these days, and we tell them that, so I guess they probably figured out that we'd figured out how to get a grip on the intellectual property.
They don't want it out for many, many reasons.
I mean, you're talking about destabilizing oil, coal, gas, and nuclear, and the banks that are associated with the cash flow, which is huge.
It's 80% of the economy for the energy, and that money all flows through banks, and if the banks don't get it, what do they get?
They lose about 80% of their cash flow.
So is the idea that they're letting, say, the CIA is working with you on this now, Because it's basically coming to an endgame?
Is that what...
Yeah, I mean, there's an evolution toward the revelation of what the technology is to the world, and in my opinion, CIA is probably going to be the only agency that survives the revolution.
I've never known one that wasn't a patriot in one week.
I mean, patriots that walk in the bullets.
Okay, but are you talking about patriots in the sense that the United States is going to run the world?
Patriots in the sense that the United States is going to evolve along with the rest of the nations of the world into some type of new, what we call New Earth Order, or a better system of how things work, which is not necessarily a world government, but probably is more like a A system where the future is known, God writes the scripts before time passes, and he knows, in most of your religions they claim that God knows the past, the present, and the future.
Well, if he knows the future, it's because he wrote the script.
If you can see the script, then all you can do is live the script.
So that's what we believe happens.
Forward time scanning capabilities of the technology allow governments to not have to be governments because there's no need for decisions by bureaucrats.
You don't need them to tell you how to live.
It's all written out how it's going to be.
It's all alien or extraterrestrial.
I don't like to use the word alien extraterrestrial civilizations.
Probably all go through the exact same revolution.
Oil seems to Be a part of the evolution of planets to get their energy and then the oil is no longer needed because it creates problems like the global warming problems that we have today.
So are you building a craft to go to Mars?
No, we're building power generators and technology to build starships.
That's our objective.
Okay, to go to the edge of the solar system?
Go to the edge of the universe.
We're not interested in the solar system.
Solar system, there's nothing out there of any consequence.
Okay.
And have you met any aliens?
No.
No, I know people who claim they constantly communicate with them or are in touch with them, but no, I haven't had the pleasure or displeasure either.
Have you ever communicated with them through your friends, say?
Yeah, we attempt to have these surrogate little discussions.
Oh yeah?
Because you work with Lizette, what's her last name?
Larkin.
Larkin, yeah, and she wrote the book Talking with Extraterrestrials, and it sounds like she communicates with someone out there.
Yeah, you can't attribute her level of intelligence to going to school.
It's just not there.
That type of thinking and the type of philosophy that she says that they advocate and the way that they see life and how we should live it is completely...
It's not anything that we currently enjoy.
So you've had dialogues through her?
We're currently trying to set up contact.
But I don't know if we'll ever have any success.
So you don't know what the ET thinks of you?
I know, and I don't know whether or not they even think on that level.
We're trying to find out if they do, and it's been our experience that women seem to run the future, and extraterrestrial societies are supposedly led and directed by women, so the female side of the equation.
We're very pro that idea, because women don't like war and don't like the consequences of war, and we should have more women than Congress.
We'd have a much more peaceful business of government.
And doesn't a woman figure pretty prominently in your movie scenario?
Yeah, we kind of, the judges and the prosecutors are women, and we kind of look at them as the ultra-terrestrials, the folks that don't need spaceships to move around, they just think and they're there.
So, yeah, we're very avant-garde toward the idea of women being the leaders of tomorrow, not men.
Now, didn't you used to be friends with John Lear?
Yeah, we were good friends, a long time.
Okay, so did you go to Area 51 with him?
No, I refused.
The night that he and Bob Lazar got stopped out there by the Wackenhut guys and all of that, whether or not it all happened, if it happened, it seemed to me to be a Kind of a set-up routine, and Dr.
Eulig, George Eulig, and I were friends, the director of research and development, Hercules, and we didn't want to go there.
We didn't want to go with John.
We thought there was something smelly about it, so we didn't go, and it pissed John off no end.
But you remained friends after that?
I knew his mom and dad before that time period.
I go back to the late 60s with being affiliated with his father.
I knew his mother, Moya, because she was very close to my friend John DeLorean.
That kind of thing.
So what can you tell us about John DeLorean?
It's a great sadness, believe me, when I say that he's gone because he was one of the great men of the 20th century in terms of his thinking of the idea of non-obsolescent cars by building cars out of stainless steel.
Making cars where they didn't wear out, which is very possible, and they don't want to do it.
I worked very closely with him.
We've been friends since I was 15 years old.
I met him out on the Bonneville Salt Flats when he was sponsoring Mickey Thompson's Land Speed Record car.
So John and I go way, way back.
I thought he was one of the great men of all time.
He really was.
Sounds like he's, to some degree, an inspiration for what you're doing now.
He was a grand mentor.
He knew how to fight once he knew what he was fighting, and he and I were very close friends, and he allowed me to kick the crap out of the FBI, so it was fun, you know, to be very frank.
And the FBI's quite a formidable group of folks, but when I had John DeLorean as my associate and client, it was easy to Beat their brains out.
But you're not a lawyer, so when you say it was your client, in what way was your client?
I was his chief of strategic planning, you might call me his chief investigator, like I am for Ramsey Clark.
I've been Ramsey's chief investigator.
You're using present tense, you're still working with Ramsey.
Yeah.
But I didn't do Saddam.
I'm not affiliated with the Saddam defense.
I left him out.
I'm not bulletproof.
Ramsey's got a halo.
Nobody wants to kill Ramsey, but I'm not sure they wouldn't do it to me.
So I haven't, let's put it like this.
The stories I could tell you, I don't want to tell you about that.
It's a very dangerous game.
Very, very dangerous to defend Saddam Hussein.
He's had a couple of his lawyers murdered by the Ministry of Interior and I think that the whole trial, not saying that Stom's a good guy, that the whole trial was a charade and it should have been in The Hague, a la Milosevic, and that trying him without a Sunni judge on the bench and assassinating his lawyers is not the way you conduct a trial.
You don't conduct a trial by killing off somebody's defense lawyers.
I'm amazed that they didn't kill Mr.
Clark.
Okay, but didn't we set Saddam up to begin with anyway?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, he was...
Saddam was like a saber-toothed tiger after the Iran-Iraq war, and he was starving, and he jumped out in the middle of the...
The road to grab an antelope out there.
He thought he was going to eat.
The next thing he heard was, beep, beep, and the 18-wheeler ran him down, which was us invading him.
Kuwait.
Kuwait, yeah.
I don't think Saddam should have gone to Kuwait.
That was a dumb move and a very big mistake.
You've got to realize they called his loans, and he didn't have any money to pay them, so he called their country.
You know, they should have left him alone and let him restore his economy so that he could pay them off.
What about the Stargates?
Do you believe in that?
I don't believe in Stargates.
I'm not a fan of Stargates.
I've heard that they exist from people who claim that.
In fact, we use it in the movie.
The technology is a weapons delivery system of the first magnitude because there's no way you can stop it.
Bang!
It opens up over your planet.
You've got a nuke going off.
How do you stop that?
There's no defense against a Stargate for a weapons delivery system.
So, if they exist, they're the most formidable weapons delivery system other than a UFO that could ever be.
So, philosophically, I'd like to see I'd like to see the elimination of the forms of government that we have today that basically...
They're all over our rights.
The Constitution's out the window.
The Patriot Act's a joke.
It's a fascist document.
So what do you think of the neocons?
Gangsters.
I call them gang-bangsters.
I don't think of anybody that can go off and put a war like Iraq together and kill 150,000 people all deserve to be tried for war crimes.
That's what I believe.
They ought to all be hung for war crimes.
But you were very involved in Waco, isn't that right?
Yeah.
So what happened with Waco?
Because you have a very interesting story along those lines.
They murdered them.
They mass murdered them.
The ATF attacked them and they got the response that they asked for because they knew what they were going up against and they blew off the front door and they killed everybody standing around the front door.
And they then hid the front doors after they filled them full of bullet holes.
They naturally came and got them and got rid of them.
They set the place on fire and they blew them up.
Why?
I mean, why?
Do you know why?
Apparently part of the games that they're playing to set us up for 9-11 and some of the other things in order to create us into a neo-fascist political police state.
So that was something of the beginning.
Quasi-military political police state.
Okay, but didn't you tell me that you got the FBI sort of into a corner in that?
Yeah, I got them with the FLIR tape.
Myself and Bill Colby got together and we discovered that there was a lot of gunshots on the FLIR tape and the government then put on a charade test of it.
The judge was the real culprit in the whole thing.
He engineered the whole assassination of all those people.
Obliteration.
But Janet Reno had complete control, didn't she?
She did, but she was just there when the truck went by, or the bus went by, and she wasn't there when they did it, and she came in a little later and did it, and she covered it all up, and she doesn't like me a whole bunch, and I don't like her a bunch.
So, that's about the way we...
I consider her a criminal, you know, a major league criminal.
So, I consider all those people that assassinated those people, because those were a bunch of innocent people.
There were children in there as well.
Yeah, they killed 28 kids.
I mean, but they've killed 25,000 kids in Iraq, so what's the big deal?
Right.
Maybe more, 30, 35,000 children have been murdered in this war over there on terror.
How do you have a war on terror?
Terror and war are all the same.
It's all the same thing.
One guy's terrorist and another man's freedom fighters and vice versa.
So it's a BS war and those people are, we should get out of there.
Okay, what about 9-11?
I'm a fan of Jim Mars.
I'm a believer that we probably had a big hand in doing that, too, based upon the demolition of the buildings.
You can see those puffs of smoke coming from the demolition charges off the buildings.
Do I believe that they would do something like that?
Yeah.
Do I believe that they would set it up?
My answer is, where's Osama bin Laden?
This government could find a roach in the Brazilian rainforest if they wanted to, so where is Osama?
And I don't believe we're trying to catch him.
I believe we have a deal with him and his family, the Bin Laden family and the Bush family like that.
Do I believe that this is an honorable government?
The answer is no.
Do I believe that they're murderers and mass murderers?
Yes.
Do I believe they ought to be prosecuted in an international tribunal with war criminals?
Yes.
I think we need to get out of Vietnam.
I mean, it's not Vietnam, but Iraq.
It's not much different.
It's our story.
We're just over there murdering people.
We haven't got any justification for it whatsoever.
It's no just cause.
You talk about, I don't know, I don't even get the lingo, but you're talking about wet I mean, when people try to kill you, you do what you got to do to make sure they don't.
Or if they try to intimidate you, you make sure that they don't do it.
Well, do you have a bodyguard?
I mean, you're pretty brave.
No, no, no.
I'm pretty good at that myself.
Oh, you are?
I can't trust bodyguards.
They always end up getting you killed.
Really?
Yeah.
And so, well, do you carry, I don't know, do you carry, as they say?
No, no, no, no, no.
I carry a relationship on with the big guy who protects me against assholes.
Okay.
That's a good way to describe it.
What's MJ-12's absolute sort of agenda in your view?
Because I've got to feel that you guys are at cross-purposes to some degree.
Yeah, we are at cross-purposes, but it's because I want control of their technology so I don't have to go through the R&D process on it.
And we just want to deploy it in order to prevent global warming, because if you get rid of oil, coal, gas and nuclear, you're going to get rid of all the pollution of the planet.
But why wouldn't MJ-12 want the same thing?
Part of them do, isn't that true?
Because they click their heels to the Bilderbergers, who basically are their power, their greed and power.
I mean, they're the bankers of the world.
So their desire for power is greater than their desire to protect their children and grandchildren from being buried in the same grave with them.
That's how I look at it.
Well, you're familiar with Dan Burish, right?
Yeah.
And you've expressed interest in working with him, isn't that true?
Yeah.
So, why?
Because he's got wires.
He's got what?
He's got wires in the places where we'd like to have wires.
Oh, you mean contacts?
Yeah.
Okay, well, are you also interested in what he knows?
As a scientist?
Some of it's interesting, but I am into the idea of being able to make contact with extraterrestrials.
I think it's an excellent idea that they could be helpful.
They certainly have a knowledge of how to get past, they got past the trials and tribulations this planet's going through.
In their own society and they evolve into what we believe to be somewhat of, we don't call it utopian, we call it plutopian.
Sort of a madhouse of ideas that are completely different from what we view as what we would call utopia.
But the idea of getting rid of the cost of energy in our economy is really good because that keeps 80 cents out of every dollar you keep, you spend stays in your pocket.
You get rich that quick.
Everybody gets rich.
Okay, when did you start working on this?
Oh, probably in the early 70s I got involved in really trying to run it to ground and doing an investigation in terms of trying to get our hands on the technology and then we lucked into it one day.
When you say we, who's we?
Well, I have a group of folks that I call the Knights Temporal, the most prominent aerospace engineers and physicists in the world today, all part of a team.
We call it RAM Group.
We call ourselves the Knights Temporal.
We took a page out of the idea of the Templars who basically blackmailed the Pope to give them the fiefdoms over Europe that created the banking orders we have today.
Since we believe the technology is rooted in time, we call ourselves the Knight's Temple.
The alien technology, the UFO, is basically traveling a flying time machine.
That's what we believe, and that's all we know about it indicates that.
Okay, so you believe in time travel, but you don't believe in wormholes.
How is that possible?
Well, because I don't need a worm travel if I can get across the universe fast enough.
I mean, who wants a wormhole?
I mean, a wormhole is an idea that nobody has been able to show me any physics whatsoever that can be happening.
Maybe it can, I don't know, but it seems like it's going to take a lot of energy to keep that hole open.
So do you have a degree in physics?
No, I research it like I do all of my intelligence operations.
Well, come on, are you a genius?
I always will say that the most unpleasant thing in life is to have a 200 IQ and a 100 IQ world.
So, I don't know.
I know that I am constantly offended by the ignorant bastards that live on this planet that I have to deal with all the time.
And they're very dumb.
So, and one of those ignorant bastards stole your girlfriend, is that right?
Which one?
I don't know, I'm asking you.
What they did was they basically knew that I was working on paradox research for the university, one of the universities that we have involved in it, and that they knew that I was fooling around with something that was very Psychologically dangerous and they took the advantage to take some love letters and rewrite them like you would fake a tape and send them off to her and she took Umbridge and I haven't been able to put it back.
And you're looking maybe with your movie to rekindle your The love of your life, is that right?
Yeah, I mean, I give my right arm to do that, but I mean, you know, if she wants to, as I've told her, she's going to have to stand behind the Ashley Judges and the Jereen Turners and Salma Hayek's to get the job, unless she's sweet.
Well, I don't know.
Okay.
So what else can you tell us about why you pursued this with such really almost, I don't know, fanaticism?
Pursue what?
Your idea for this Craft.
Building a UFO, in essence.
Well, we're not really interested so much in building the craft.
I mean, building a starship's wonderful because the craft are shuttlecraft.
The UFO is a shuttlecraft or a starship, in most instances.
And not to say that they can't get across as quick, it's just a lot more dangerous when you don't have the support system.
So what we believe is that the idea is to make power.
Make electrical power, be able to replace, be able to put what might look like a silo at a utility grid site where they have a relay station and just put that there and get a gigawatt out of it.
And that, if you can mass produce those toys and get rid of the need to pump oil into these Fuel reactors that we have out there that make power, and cars, and planes, and boats, and trains, and everything else is unnecessary.
You can get rid of all that.
You don't have to fly it initially, but you definitely have to get rid of it.
We don't need petrol burning machines, and we don't need to waste a lot of time going through all of this evolution of hydrogen economy, because it takes a barrel of oil to make a barrel of hydrogen, and that's a charade.
Okay, but what's going to happen if there are earth changes to your ideas?
Well, we're in favor of being able to make changes to the earth changes quickly.
We're in a race to try to get this technology developed before the earth is...
I don't call it global warming, I call it global burning.
I mean, it's getting hot.
It's getting really hot.
And it's...
I mean, when you see the...
Well, isn't this the sun...
And the solar flare's got something to do with that?
I mean, some people say that, but I mean, it's obvious that from Vice President Gore's film, Unintended Consequences or whatever he called it, we are heating up the upper atmosphere by pumping carbon dioxide out the tailpipes of our cars and out of our planes and out of our trains and out of our boats and out of our everything.
So this is the time bomb that you think you're up against, is global warming.
Yeah, I mean, I've heard the tales about the black planet coming through and...
Nibiru.
...Nibiru and all of that.
You know, show me, and I'm from Missouri, you've got to show me a picture of it coming, and I'll buy it.
But they tell me it's there, and I mean, I've heard stories about it, but I mean, for me, it's, you know, I think E.T. It keeps us here.
ET created us, and ET's purpose is to keep this little laboratory called Earth going forward toward evolution so that we can grow up to become extraterrestrials and spread our seed out through the universe and basically spread life, which is the prime directive, not to go where no man's gone before.
It's just to go and to take life out there, because there's probably more places to put life than there is people to put on it.
There's a lot of planets.
Okay.
Well, that's actually a beautiful idea.
Well, it's the best thing I can think of to do.
I mean, I've got enough time in my life to do it.
And you think you're going to last?
You think you're going to deliver this time?
Well, all you can do in going up Everest is try.
Do you make it to the top or do you don't?
It's not the accomplishment of getting to the top, it's the doing of trying to do the deed.
If you don't do the deed, at least you tried.
I can't say that you weren't a serious type of human being.
We're going to kind of backtrack a little bit and we're going to ask you about Watergate.
Okay.
Now, if I understand, you wired the Oval Office?
Yeah, I put an electronic countermeasure system to defeat people bugging the Oval Office.
Bugging conversations or recording any conversations in the room.
Right.
But you were involved in also supposedly erasing the tapes of Nixon's tapes, right?
It was a good idea.
It was a good idea?
Yeah, I wish I'd have done it.
Okay, but they weren't erased.
And you've heard them then, right?
Yeah.
You must have heard all of them.
All 4,004 tapes.
Really?
Yeah.
And so what can you tell us?
What do you know?
I think if I had knowing the level of intrigue that was going on and what Watergate was really all about was much of a cover-up of why we lost the war in Vietnam.
They were about to have Senate hearings.
Is this on?
Yeah.
They were about to have Senate hearings about a post-mortem on Watergate and the powers that be elected to create Watergate to Take our attention away from the post-mortem and the Senate and the House Intelligence Committees became so busy with Watergate that they couldn't do the post-mortem on Vietnam, which I believe is the crime of crimes.
It was a terrible crime.
We were over there just to get money and take the money out the Golden Triangle for dope, take it out to Area 51.
So you're saying that the money for dope went straight to Area 51?
The whole Vietnam exercise in killing 55,000 Americans and about 2 million Vietnamese was for the purposes of operating the Golden Triangle's heroin operations in order to pump the money into Area 51 because they couldn't fund it except by going off balance sheet.
Vietnam, then they did Afghanistan in the 80s, and then they did Colombia in the 90s with the cocaine, the crack cocaine crap, which is as evil as evil gets.
And so basically you're saying that our government is running the drugs?
I'm saying that Majestic is no longer a part of the government of the United States, and it's been privatized and it's run by the people who run the world.
Okay, so you're alluding to the fact that Majestic is responsible for running the drugs.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, with the help of other agencies, the government, they moved a lot of that money.
The FBI? Sort of, maybe.
Probably.
And not the CIA? I mean, everyone always says the CIA is involved in all that.
Yeah, but I'm not going to throw rocks at them.
They did what they did, but, you know, they thought that they were doing the right thing.
Mark felt when he told Bob Woodward that The whole reason for Watergate was all about covering up the Vietnamese operations of the drug sales and the Golden Triangle to supply the money to do the back-engineering of the UFO, which cost billions upon billions upon billions, 100 billion plus.
To back-engineer the UFO? Yeah, the crash at Roswell and other places.
Crashes.
So what do you know about the crash at Roswell?
What you read.
It's all out there.
Did Nixon know?
Probably.
Probably?
Probably.
Are you saying probably because you know or are you saying probably because you don't want to be on the record?
I don't want to go on record.
I don't know that he knew for a fact, but I had information when I was at the White House that he was doing that.
Okay.
He recognized that Watergate was an exercise that he didn't understand by intelligence operatives that were just a bit sharper than him, like McCord's finding of putting the tape on the door twice so that the guard would get him arrested and that kind of crap.
It was just beyond the pale.
If you find that somebody has taken the tape off the door that you're using so you can exit the place, And you go put it back, then all you're asking for is to get arrested.
So McCord, in my opinion, set the president up.
And Liddy was the pawn, and he was used miserably by the guys who gave him the gemstone graphics that were used to cause all of Watergate.
Just what I know.
And can you tell me about the, didn't they develop the whole idea of the Manchurian candidate during the Vietnam War?
Well, Lawrence Harvey, the actor, probably might be able to tell you more about that than me, but the answer is that technology's probably been around a while.
So, you know, the ability to get people who are psychos, who are, I think the word is, I'm trying to get the word, synabolistic, where they're subject to being hypnotized in a second, and whatever you tell them to do, they'll do.
So, but this is MKUltra we're talking about.
Yeah, MKUltra had a major league play in all of this.
So, you know, who's running MKUltra type of research now is anybody's guess.
It isn't CIA anymore.
I like to think I had a hand and cause not to go away from my hand.
You want us to believe that Langley's not involved in that?
And other people are?
Yeah.
I've never known CIA to be a bunch of assassins.
They're just too classy.
They're not into whacking people as a course of reality.
And you're not holding on to any kind of notion of honor because this is the only shred of honor left on the planet that you can believe in?
I have never known anyone that I've ever been associated with in CIA to be a criminal.
Ever.
Okay, can you tell us about J. Edgar Hoover?
He's not a nice guy.
I don't think he was a nice guy.
Okay, he wasn't a nice guy.
He spied on everyone, right?
That's indicated, yeah.
That's probably true.
But you had some kind of real dealings with Hoover, didn't you?
Yeah.
Do you want to tell us about that?
All you're going to do is you're just going to piss off the FBI and they're going to want to fight some more and I don't want to fight with them.
I mean, I like to think that I'm the guy who put the dress on him.
He deserved to wear the dress, so let's leave it at that.
Did Cole be dead?
Yes.
How did he die?
Drowned in three feet of water.
How do you do that?
You get pushed, you get your head pushed under the water.
I see.
And do you know who did the deed, so to speak?
There was a lot of dying going on around the FLIR tape at Waco, and the guy who did the forensic work, he croaked at his desk, sitting at his desk, and just suddenly decided to die, and nobody ever gave me a decent pathology report on his autopsy, and Colby was right in the middle of it.
He was the one who helped me get it all out.
We thought it was going to sink the FBI. The CIA was very anti-FBI in that time frame.
They were in my corner.
It's a well-known fact, they were really in my corner.
What we were doing was trying to prevent any more assaults on religion by the FBI. We were not, you know, leave the kids alone.
Don't kill the kiddies.
And that was...
Mr.
Clark is, in my opinion, a lot of people think he's the grand contrarian.
He may well be, but...
And remember, I come from a Republican background, so when people talk to me about Ramsey, I tell them, look, he's got a halo.
As far as I'm concerned, if I can get him canonized as a saint when he dies, I'm going to do it, because I think he's a saintly man.
He's represented all the bad guys, but they deserve to have the best representation they can get.
Everybody deserves a lawyer.
I don't care what you accuse people of, they deserve the best representation they can get.
And I've known a lot of them over the years, including directors.
And what about Bobby Inman?
What's he involved in?
He's reputedly MJ4, but whether he is or not, I don't know.
He's a nice guy.
He and I are friendly, so I don't say anything negative about Bob.
I don't know anything negative.
So isn't he pro-disclosure?
Didn't we hear that?
We hear it, but, you know, it's one thing to hear it, and it's another thing to do it.
You know, it's one thing to say it, it's another thing to do it.
What about John Gannon?
You know who he is?
Yeah, but I... You think he's involved in Serpo?
I don't know.
I'm not a fan of Serpo.
I'm kind of negative toward beyond disclosure and that kind of stuff.
What do you mean you're negative beyond disclosure?
I think that there are a lot of people out there that supposedly are pro-disclosure or nothing but MJ-12 disinformation ops.
And they probably operate under the cover of the DIA, who I have great admiration for also.
I've never known those guys to be really bad, other than to do the disinformation thing.
They seem to have a heavy hand in the disinformation game these days.
What about Benowitz?
Did you know Benowitz?
Yes.
We met him.
We thought that somebody had spun his loop and Put him into a condition.
Somebody.
What about Rick Doty?
Did he have a hand in that?
He obviously had a hand in it.
Did he do it?
Was Benowitz already on the slippery slope of mental disorder?
I don't know, but apparently if he was, they made sure they greased the slope a bunch more.
So I always thought Benowitz was a terrible crime.
I mean, just a criminal activity.
Did you know Bill Cooper?
Yes.
What did you think of him?
To be very blunt with you, I think Cooper was a patriot in his own way, but he was a bit more aggressive than I am and wanted to fight at every drop of the hat.
He once threatened to kill John Lear over me and I was there the night they did it.
He thought that I was majestic and that was just BS and the maximum.
So Cooper probably peed off the cops enough to get himself shot.
He was heavily involved in outing Waco the way you were.
The difference between him and me outing Waco is I was actually physically doing it and putting it into the record of the case.
I was actually doing the investigations that brought up all the crap, burning them up and gassing them and shooting them and just basically murdering them.
When you say you were involved in the investigations, does that mean you do your own investigation or do you have somebody do it for you?
I did my own investigations from Mr.
Clark.
Does that mean interviewing people?
Does that mean researching?
That meant everything.
I interviewed all the Koresh's wives and got to talk about his sex habits and da da da da da, which was cute.
So yes, I got to interview everybody and I was well known for doing that.
I was very proud of it.
The fact that we lost has something to do with our fascist judicial system.
So do you think that Operation Paperclip, they brought a bunch of Nazis over here?
I mean, tell me you're not using some of those Nazis in your group.
Well, they're not part of my group.
They're gone.
They're mostly dead.
I mean, all those Nazis from World War II, the scientists, Beth, and all those guys, they're all gone.
They're gone.
They'd be 105 years old.
Okay, but they had a big hand in the development of the atomic bomb.
Yeah, I'm a strong believer that Farrell wrote a good book when he wrote S.S. Brotherhood of the Bell recently.
It's good.
It's very good.
So I believe the Nazis influence is out there.
We can see the neocon fascist Fascism in our government today is out there, so do I believe the Nazis are gone?
No, I think they're still active.
Many of them.
And they still believe the same evil crap they did then.
So you've never met an ET. Have you been curious?
I mean, you've got hands in every pot, it sounds to me.
Can't you get an introduction to an ET? Yeah, we're working on that.
You are?
We're doing the best we can with the tools we got to do it with.
But yes, we're...
Have you been to Area 51 underground?
Have I been inside of it?
No.
We did a thorough search for the underground area of Dulcie, and I mean thorough, and it's bullshit.
It's pure, unadulterated BS. There's no underground base at Dulcie.
We wanted to get in.
We just wanted to get in.
We bought into the disinformation long enough to get close enough and we spent four or five days trekking Archuleta Mesa and went all over the place and used seismometers and everything to try to find out if there were underground holes and we didn't find any of that.
Did you use any Native Americans to help you out?
Yeah, yeah.
We talked to all the Apaches out there and it was just BS. Just BS. It was a disinformation operation.
And you wouldn't be pushing disinfo right now by telling me that?
No, I'll bet you a billion that you can't find a hole inside Archuleta Mesa in which you can access an alien underground base there.
I'll bet you a billion I'd bet my life on it because I went over the place with a fine-tooth comb.
Okay, what about underground L.A.? Well, I mean, anything's possible.
I mean, they got tunnels, they got tunneling equipment that is nuclear powered.
They can drill tunnels anywhere they want from anywhere, so...
What about under the Capitol?
I believe anything's possible if you want to spend the money.
No, I'm not interested in what you believe.
I'm interested in what you know.
I don't know of any underground systems.
I'm sure that they exist.
I just don't know where they are.
You wired the White House and you don't know if there's an underground base there?
Well, I remember I did that when I was...
I was the guy who built the toy that made it work.
And so that was why I was there.
There was no other reason for me to be there than the fact that I supplied the Checkmate system to do it.
So, obviously, when I... When they needed it in the stall, I put it in.
I put it in there in the Pernellis Ranch and those places.
What about Montauk?
You familiar with Montauk?
Yeah, I don't believe it.
What about the Philadelphia?
I believe that the Philadelphia experiment probably took place and that they may have done it, but I have no proof that they did do it.
I haven't seen a centella viota of really substantive evidence that any of that's true.
It sounds to me like a disinformation story meant to lead you away from the technology.
Okay, you familiar with Wilhelm Reich?
Yeah.
What about Wilhelm Reich and Orgone?
I think he just made...
I think he probably got the Food and Drug Administration really angry at him with his cures and maybe his cures were real and they didn't want him to do it.
And they just said, hey, you got to go.
We can't afford you around.
You're going to put the doctors out of business, so we're going to get...
We're going to put your ass in jail.
They have the capability to frame their mothers, and they will.
So I'm a real fan of their ability to create fake tapes and fake documents and fake this and fake photographs and fake videos, fake anything.
They can fake it all to the point where, forensically, you can't tell reality from surreality and bullshit.
Okay, well along those lines, I understand that Majestic had a hand in faking emails between you and John Lear that added to the animosity between you, is that right?
Yeah, they did that and I'm not sure John Lear didn't have a part of it.
So, you know, they actually did that and they faked some other videos.
Are you able to talk about Kit Green at all?
No.
I have nothing to say about Dr.
Green.
I believe he's the world's greatest neurobiologist, and one thing or another, and I think that...
Is he called in on alien autopsies?
Do you know that much?
I've heard it, but I don't know what to believe.
He hasn't ever said it to me.
I know that he recently notified me that a bunch of his emails were being faked and that there was stuff that was being attributed to him that was obviously coming out of Majestic's gang.
Probably using, using NSA cutouts to do it.
Okay.
NSA technology, they can bug your phone, bug your computer, and they can figure, they can read all your email traffic and they know exactly what they want to put in your next email in order to destabilize your relationship with whoever you're talking to.
So, yeah.
But Kit Green's a great guy as far as I'm concerned.
I have no problem with Kit.
He's not an enemy.
Contrary to public.
Okay, so Jim Mars, he's a wonderful ufologist.
He's a member of our team.
He's a wonderful writer.
He's a member of your team.
He's the historical scribe for the Uram group, and he's hopefully my biographer.
They tell me that he's going to do my biography, and that's as complimentary as I can get.
Okay.
He's the world's greatest conspiracy theorist.
Now isn't it true you're working with Eric Julian a little bit nowadays?
Yeah.
He's written a book on supposedly he had ET visitation.
He went up and flew a craft.
He knows how they work.
Is it going to help you?
Yeah, I'm going to help him.
I'm helping him when he's helping me right now.
But the answer is, yeah, he's a very bright guy.
He may be the Copernicus of the 21st century, but we've got to find out that.
He and I have got to have a lot of dialogues about reality.
But we're getting there because a lot of the stuff that he's talking about, we've already found out about.
Okay, what about Jack Cerfati and Hal Pudoff?
You working with these guys?
Hal and Jack are like Mike and Ike or Alphonse and Gaston or Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy.
I mean, all they do is fight each other and castigate and criticize each other.
Well, do they know anything?
Come on.
Yeah, it's sort of like everybody, it's like they've got a little piece of the puzzle, it's like I've got the proverbial elephant, somebody's got a piece of the tail, another guy's got a leg, another guy's got a trunk, everybody's blindfolded.
So they all have a little piece of the elephant, but they don't know the whole elephant.
Do they try to work with you?
Oh yeah, we get along fine.
I get along fine with Hal and Jack.
Jack is sort of a bit of a monumental, monomaniacal ego with a huge NIH, not invented here, factor.
Hal is a much more level guy with different ideas.
One of them is into white.
Zero point, the other one's into dark energy, zero point, and they have their theories, and we don't even believe in any of that.
So we have our own theories.
Our theories are based upon having discovered what we have discovered.
But Hal is the chief scientist, and Sarfati's welcome to come aboard, but he's got to stop throwing rotten tomatoes at Hal.
What do you mean?
Hal's your chief scientist?
The last time I checked.
Really?
Yeah.
How about that?
How about that?
It's a matter of record.
Okay.
So they all attend the meetings of the gang whenever the gang's coming together and they stay tuned to it because it's an alternative.
It's an alternative to what they're doing.
They've got to keep a bet on that horse.
In a horse race of three or four horses, you've got to keep a bet.
You've got some remote viewers on your team?
Well, Hal Puthoff is pretty much of a remote viewer.
I mean, pretty much him and Ingo Swann invented the stuff, so the answer is yes.
Are you saying Ingo's part of your team?
No, I'm just saying that we've got remote viewers.
We use remote viewers.
Okay, so you know you're going to be successful?
I proctiscope the government every so often with remote viewers.
Just like they proctiscope me, I proctiscope them.
Okay, but are you going to be successful?
I mean, are they telling you the future?
I think the only reason I'm not dead at this point is that they know I win.
They know from forward time scanning that I, that me and the, we'll call it me and my coterie of patriots, we call ourselves the Earth Patriots in the film, and so we win.
We win.
You know, we can't lose, because the planet must continue.
God didn't develop and go through all of this.
Create this giant civilization and just to wipe it out because somebody didn't want to stop burning oil.
What is this about Starport that you're trying to tell us about?
Well, you logically can't go forward toward the development of starship technology unless you're going to build starships.
And where are you going to build starships?
There's only one plant big enough on the planet to do that, and that's the Mishu facility, where the Saturn S1B and the Saturn V, those are the moon rockets, and the shuttle main tank are done because it's got the largest bay area, and that's where we believe they're going to be built.
It sits in the middle of a piece of property that we are working now with the governor of Louisiana to develop into a project called Starport, which is an air-sea rail truck container and spaceport for launching starships as freighters and as aircraft to move passengers.
You can probably make it with the right anti-grav technology.
You can probably make a trip from New Orleans to Shanghai or Osaka in 20 minutes or less.
We see a completely different civilization coming.
Completely.
An extremely revolutionary condition that is inevitable.
It has to happen.
What year do you think this is going to happen?
Well, as fast as we can get our little programs rolling along, and they're rolling along real well, so I can only tell you that we look to see the technology begin to go into mass production before the end of the decade.
Well, who runs this little consortium that you're putting together?
Is it you?
I'm sort of the Director General of the project right now.
But it doesn't mean that I want to stay there.
I'm just doing the thing.
We're trying to take a former Minister of Defense from another foreign country to have him take over the project.
Get me out of the loop of having to deal with the daily mundane problems of the daily development of the consortium.
Can you tell us who that is?
No.
But we're there.
I mean, we're dealing with them and they know we're there and they know what we have.
There are a lot of people that know that we borrowed, expropriated, pirated the technology from Majestic and we're not giving it back.
That's that elementary.
And so we're developing it and we're doing it in a way that overcomes the problems that they recognize.
One of the big reasons that they don't want to do it is time paradox.
Time paradox is a huge problem for them because if you know the future, then how do you have markets?
How do you have interests?
How do you have taxes?
How do you have government?
How do you have free will?
Yeah.
Isn't that one of your issues?
I've been Nietzschean until I discovered this and I'm now at the point where if somebody could give me a script and I could go out tomorrow and enjoy my life and just carry out my tomorrow Dictat from the, we'll call it the Time Forward Scan TV, that I could see what I got to do next month.
I'd be fine.
I'd just go live my life and follow the orders.
God wrote the script, why not do it?
He knows what he's doing.
We're all a piece of him, and why not do it his way?
I mean, his way may be a lot better, you know.
Free will may not be all that big a deal.
Come on, aren't you the biggest rebel of all time?
But I'm not a rebel against The stuff that I believe is the reality we may have to live with.
I mean, so what?
So you mean you're a practical rebel?
I'm a pragmatist.
I'm a pragmatic rebel.
If I see that this is the way it's got to be and if I can facilitate making that happen and it makes the world a better place to live, then great.
I mean, I'm anti that.
Am I to understand that you've killed a man?
No, never.
Never?
Never.
Never, never, ever.
Have you ever ordered a man to be killed?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
So you've got a lot of threats going back and forth.
Got a lot of threats, but there's, you know, there's the...
You hurt me, I'm going to hurt you back.
And how I hurt you back may not be the way you hurt me.
And so they know that if you have those kind of capabilities of doing dirty tricks, most people don't want to have...
A guy who has a philosophy of if you have nothing to do for the rest of your life go ahead and pick a fight with me.
I was there when the bus went by and a little door opened on the bus and a mechanical arm grabbed me and said you're going to take this ride down on this bus in history and that was it.
I couldn't get away from it.
It was meant to happen.
It was there.
If I could do it over again I'd avoid it.
If I could go back and say, I'm not going to be Garrison's chief of security, I'm not going to get involved with the White House, I'm not going to get involved with the CIA, I ain't going to get involved with picking fights with Mr.
Hoover and that kind of stuff, I would avoid it like the plague, because it cost me a wife, three kids, $650 million in five years of my life, so I don't want any more of that.
And when do you think you're going to actually, I don't know, be successful?
I mean...
If we get the money for this movie, we are successful.
We will be making a movie about what we're actually doing.
It's basically a docu-drama, hidden inside of a drama, wrapped inside of an enigma, and on and on, and a mystery.
And so that's what we're doing.
And have you gotten anybody in Hollywood interested?
Oh, yeah.
Anyone we know?
Yeah.
Like all of them.
The brass, the moguls, the titans.
Oh yeah?
So they take you seriously?
They take me and my friends at Langley seriously, is a good way to put it.
And they take our relationships and our evidence and all the rest of it.
This is all well documented.
This is very well documented.
So when do you start filming?
I would hope that it might be the middle of next year sometime after we finish the scripts and get ourselves into production scripts as opposed to just fat treatments for directors and stuff like that.
So the answer is as fast as we can go there.
Okay.
So we're making headway and they're in much that the majestic gang of Sick bastards can do about it, and they know what the consequences these days are going to be if we catch them playing in our backyard anymore.
I mean, it doesn't...
They can't send...
It's COINTELPRO, Counterintelligence Proactive.
Same crap that was done in the 60s against the peace movement is done now, except it's much more sophisticated and very strange and very psychological operations oriented.
So we...
They know what the price of dealing with this is going to be.
It's going to be very expensive because we know exactly where to put our torpedoes.
They're all exposed.
We know who they are.
Okay, but isn't it true that the government or the secret government already has crafts up there?
I mean, in essence, they've got the technology.
They've been dealing with E.T. for 40 years.
So what?
I own the intellectual property.
So what is that?
I mean, they've been manufacturing craft that you see in our skies.
They're not manufacturing a lot of them.
You see them in a lot of places because they move quick, but there's not a lot of them.
Black triangles?
So what?
That's nothing more than a UFO inside of something that looks like a F117A to be able to bullshit the public as they come down the rural farm roads.
Gee, that's an F117 that's just going slow.
It's bullshit.
It's all games.
It's all PSYOPs.
PSYOPs 101.
No, I'm not worried about them.
I'm not worried about them a bit.
They better be worried about us, because we are serious guys.
Most of my team are all ex-NSA, CIA, DOD, White House, and we're not somebody you want to go pick in a fight with.
And I'm not somebody you want to pick a fight with unless you've got nothing to do for the rest of your life.
Okay, well I have no desire to pick a fight with you.
I'm not saying I'm a badass.
I'm just telling you that I've had a lot of experience dealing with gangsters, gang-bangsters and gangsters of every level in society and in our government.
What's the difference between the mafia and the government if they're trying to kill you?
None.
Nothing.
They're all the same.
So, gangsters.
If I had to do a biography today, I'd title it Government by Gangster.
My experience as a citizen of the United States of America.
How's your conscience?
I sleep well.
You sleep well?
Yeah.
I used to know Paul Tibbets, and he bombed Hiroshima, and I used to ask him, I said, how'd you sleep?
He said, I slept well.
He said, so I killed 200,000 people, so what?
He says, I stopped a war from killing another two million Americans.
So, I mean, my conscience, I have no problem with my conscience.
I've never done anything that I am really ashamed of.
Notorious or quasi-famous or interesting fellow, you know, that type of thing.
All I've done is I was there when the bus went by and the bus of history brought me aboard and I just took the ride.
Why do you think you're not actually interviewed all over the place?
Because you know a hell of a lot.
Because I avoid it like the plague.
If it wasn't for you and I getting along, I wouldn't do this.
And the fact is I want some factuous advantage right now, which is to put out enough of this to keep the guys...
Because we're getting really close to...
We're snagging the golden ring and off the carousel and I would like to stick around a while and if you hurt me you're going to cause a lot of grief and my son's going to be very angry and my friends are going to be very angry and those little CD-ROMs are going to fly all over the planet and you're not even going to be able to protect the revolution if you have the revolution without pre- Without preconditioning the situation, you'll have chaos that'll make the crash of 29 look like a tea party.
So, do they want to fight?
Go ahead.
Pick a fight.
You got nothing to do for the rest of your life?
Go ahead.
I'm here.
I'm easy.
I'm not hard to find.
So, the bottom line is that we need to go way beyond the Peace Corps and we need to form Entities within our governments, all governments, with the prime directive to establish peace on this planet in this decade.
So you want to put on your sunglasses?
What for?
Just to give us the sort of incognito...
I'm not James Bond.
We like to think we eat those guys for breakfast, but the bottom line is that we're just human beings that learn how to fight.
I wrote her over
It was right before the first crash retrieval conference in 2004, and so I wrote her some letters, some love letters.
I thought I was writing her love letters because she didn't show up on time for the crash retrieval conference.
And as a result, when I went back to my computer to look at my letters that I wrote her, I could not believe that I wrote them.
Okay?
What we've just discovered, and I can show you the discovery by Kit Green, is that Majestic, he caught Majestic altering his emails completely like you would fake a tape.
I had caught him doing that last year when John Lear and I got into it over Lear threatening my life, okay?
How did they alter?
Well, I wrote John an email and the next thing I know the email is completely, the email that I wrote is not the email that I wrote.
It's on my computer but it delays.
It doesn't come right back.
They take their, and they sit there, and they re-modify them.
And I remember some of the changes.
And so I called my friends up, and I called up Ron, and I said, Ron, they're actually altering my emails.
He says, I don't know how they can do that.
I said, well, they're intercepting them and doing it.
Do they do that with the intention of creating conflict?
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
Kit writes a letter saying, don't tell anybody that's fooling with these paradoxes, be very, very careful, because they'll create a psychomimetic state akin to LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, in terms of your mindset for a period of time.
We didn't know how long.
With me, it lasted about four or five days, because I just wrote a blitz of letters to her and didn't remember her writing them.
They, A, must have been on the phone, B, they knew about this paradox thing from prior work, so they knew when all of the conversations were going on between me and the university that I was doing them, that they would They'd alter my psychology.
Ah, here we go.
Secret anthologies of an American enigma.
Here's my black curriculum vitae.
But it doesn't have the supporting documentation.
If you will sit down here, you can read all about the black side of me.
I've got a white curriculum vitae, too.
But this is my black curriculum vitae, which is supported by nothing but documentation.
I have it, but I don't have the documentation scanned into the computer.
And that's absolutely not for the public domain?
Absolutely.
This is the truth.
Mr.
Novell retained his Chief of Security for New Orleans District, returning former FBI agent Jim Garrison's official investigation and assassination of President Kennedy.
Because of Mr.
Novell's secret relationship at the Johnson White House, he quickly discovered that the alleged facts of Jim Garrison's official state of Louisiana Conspiracy investigation were entirely woven out of whole cloth.
At the direction of his White House contacts, Mr.
Novell secretly supplied this information to a former high-level FBI agent and chief aide of former Attorney General Robert Kennedy, then working for the NBC White Paper Special News Unit.
District Attorney Garrison immediately responded by accusing Mr.
Novell of being a CIA agent, calling him the most important material witness in his alleged conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.
Mr.
Novell had absolutely nothing to do with the President's assassination, was not then and ever has been an agent or employee of the CIA. Until this time in his life, Mr.
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