Patrick Bet-David and the team dissect Trump's extended Iran ultimatum, noting oil price drops from $98 to $89 amid contradictory missile range claims and USS Tripoli deployments. They debate Lindsey Graham's Israel-first loyalty versus American interests during the government shutdown caused by Democratic obstruction of the Save America Act. The episode concludes with Robert Couturier's harrowing account of Epstein's island, detailing bunk beds for girls and dark curtains that suggest trafficking, while urging support for journalist Nick Shirley facing doxing threats over exposing fraud. [Automatically generated summary]
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We've been doing it at the other office, the 5990, which was great.
We will not have Michelle today.
I'm very sorry.
Which is devastating.
We will not have the croissant in the morning.
We will not have the food, the Italian martadella, the prosciutto.
We won't have any of that stuff taking place.
Well, maybe we bring it here.
I think we're on track on building a kitchen here.
Taylor was giving us bar boardroom style.
Yeah, so gang, this whole thing starts with you.
Obviously, somehow, some way we found each other.
You know, I cannot tell you how many times we walk.
Vinny's telling a story about this week he went to church and what the experience was like when he went to church, how people approached him, getting emotional about what the PBD podcast does when we're speaking about all these different stories.
But it wouldn't happen without you.
So I want to start off by thanking you.
And this guy's not ready for it.
Vinny, I need you to start the podcast with a prayer.
So lead the way with a prayer.
Oh, wow.
Dear Lord, thank you for another beautiful day.
I pray, Lord, that you protect everybody in this room and all the people out there watching at home.
Bless the PBD podcast, Lord, because you know the message is about the truth and finding the way and leading people to you because everything happens through you.
You are the way.
You are the truth.
You are the life.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
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Let's go.
He wasn't prepared.
I wasn't.
I didn't tell him about it.
I said, you're going to go.
I'm going to come to you first.
He doesn't know what that meant to say.
Someone that was not prepared, you seem pretty damn prepared.
I'm always ready for him.
That's right.
Okay.
Here he is.
Take him.
Listen, just so you know, don't give any ultimatums because one was given about 48 hours ago.
Okay.
And that ultimatum ends about tonight at 7.45.
But this morning at 7.10, this man who works five days a week at this building on Pennsylvania, the other two in Mar-Lago, for the most part.
I know sometimes he's on the road.
He said two days ago, about 40 hours ago, 39 hours ago to Iran, if you do this, we will do this.
And of course, we'll get into the story.
And then this morning, the president comes out and says they had great talks.
Things are looking good.
And at that time, oil was at 98.
Within minutes after 7.10, it drops to 89.
I think Dow pre-market is already up a point and a half already, is up 700 points already today.
We'll see what happened.
Mario in the fall puts on Twitter that Iran is now saying that they never had the conversation.
So did it happen?
Did it not happen?
We'll talk about it here.
And now the president is extending it when he said this morning at 7.10, five more days.
We'll definitely talk about it.
What's special about that is the fact that tonight, the USS Triple E is getting closer.
What does that really mean?
For everybody else, if you're traveling this weekend with TSA, There's a lot that we're seeing with TSA.
You know, there's videos of people waiting three hours for getting in.
We don't know what that is about waiting for three hours for getting in.
But anyways, we'll show the clips.
I know Tom was at the airport.
This morning he got 345.
He'll tell this version of what happened.
We got to get into the Massachusetts story of what's going on with taxes.
There's a team in Washington.
The Seahawks GM comes out and says, listen, you guys keep raising taxes.
I'm having a hard time recruiting talent.
I want to come over here.
So imagine he's now going to say, look, if you're a Seahawks fan, don't lower the taxes because of politics.
At least lower the taxes so we can win another Super Bowl because you're not helping us win another Super Bowl.
And then a couple other stories we have to get into.
Robert Mueller died.
And when he did die, the president came out with a truth social that people at the beginning didn't even believe.
And then it ended up being the real truth social.
And then he was asked by Scott Besson and others why this was said.
Anyways, we'll get to that as well.
And then 20 countries, you know, deciding to go through straight of Hormuz, what that's going to be looking like.
And anyways, we'll talk about that as well.
And we have a bunch of other stories that maybe we'll get into.
Mark Victor Hansen said some interesting things.
You know, Nick Shirley is getting attacked left and right.
He needs to increase his security.
He needs help financially when he's going on the road because of all the threats that he's getting.
Maybe we'll find a way collectively to help him out with Nick Shirley.
And then aside from that, if we have time, we'll get into a few other stories that we have here as well.
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So with that being said, let's get right into it.
The first story I want to start off with, Rob, if you want to pull up this tweet by the president this morning, is this the one from 48 hours ago or is this the one from this morning?
This morning.
Okay, I am pleased to report that the United States of America and the country of Iran have had over the last two days very good and productive conversations regarding a complete and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East based on the terror and tone of these in-depth, detailed, and constructive conversations, which will continue throughout the week.
I have instructed the Department of War to postpone any and all military strikes against Iranian power plants and energy infrastructures for a five-day period, subject to the success of the ongoing meetings and discussions.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Now, Rob, if we go to this two days ago, it was a different tweet that he put up there, right?
Just two days ago, less than two days ago, he put up a tweet saying if Iran doesn't fully open without threat, the Strait of Hormuz within 48 hours, from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various power plants, starting with the biggest on the first, one first.
Thank you for this attention to this matter.
Keep in mind, he said this while the USS Triple E was going there, and Tom was doing the timing of how long it was going to take to get there.
And then after this announcement, to say five more days, Rob, if you want to pull it up to see how the markets reacted, oil went down from 98.
Look at the drop on how oil dropped.
The announcement is made at 7.10.
It's at 98.59.
Look at the immediate drop from 98.59 to 85 bucks like this.
After the announcement, it went up to $92.93.
I think right now it's at $89.
And then the Dow pre-market, Tom just said a minute ago, is up 700 point and a half pre-market.
So, Tom, what do you think is going on here with this announcement that the president made this morning?
Is it real that they have the talks?
Because pull up to Mario and the fall story real quick as well, Rob.
You know, Iran fully rejects Trump's claims from this morning.
There has been no indirect or direct contact with the president.
Officials accuse him of trying to buy time and claim the U.S. halted strikes after a firm warning from Tehran.
They also call his statement psychological warfare and reject any narrative of negotiations.
Iran warns Hormuz will not return to pre-war conditions as long as this continues.
Why it matters?
Two completely opposing narratives now, no talks versus productive talks, raising the risk of sudden escalation.
Sources Reuters, Tom.
So I see two things.
The first thing is we now, comments move the market, and they move the market radically.
What we just saw, what Pat just showed there, the market move on oil moved amazingly.
This is what Besson, by the way, was talking about over the weekend about how U.S. West Texas oil was staying well under $100.
And here we are, you know, opened up today, $12 under, and right now, $89, sitting there.
So number one, markets are moving radically, Pat, just based on statements from the president.
So if you look at Iran's statement, psychological warfare, the psychological warfare appears to be among ourselves in Wall Street.
We hear something good, it goes bang this way.
We hear something different, it goes bang this way.
That's what's going on on that side.
Now then, the ultimatum, when he extends the ultimatum, now the market's calmed down a little bit.
And now these markets move positively because they think, oh, there's more time to talk before some really bad stuff could happen.
You mentioned the Tripoli.
The USS Tripoli is in the Arabian Sea right now, and it is within 12 hours of joining the USS Abraham Lincoln right there at the Arabian Sea at Oman, where you are then straight up to the Strait of Hormuz.
And over yesterday, what the president said was, you know what, we may consider some boots on the ground operations on Carg Island.
Well, why was he saying that?
Well, because the Tripoli is pulling up into position.
That is an invasion ship.
It's got advanced aircraft on it, 2,500 Marines.
It can do what the big aircraft carriers can't.
Because the big aircraft carriers, they sit back in a protected area and it's a launch.
It's like an airstrip.
You don't want the aircraft carrier in the hot theater.
You want it back.
Well, the Tripoli is made to be an assault, part of an assault.
So that's what's going on.
The combination of, I'll give you more time, but here comes Tripoli.
We may do something on Carg Island.
Now it's five days, causes the markets to calm a little bit.
I don't want to see boots on the ground.
I don't want to see anybody get off the USS Tripoli on the ground there at all, personally.
Ready?
War in the Gulf00:16:12
I don't know.
I mean, Pat, again, people need to understand we're in war, and in war, you have to do tactics.
And I think, you know, the president knows what he's doing when it comes to information here, posting this, market goes down.
But the one thing that bothers me is the fact that we are, if we strike, Tom, correct me if I'm wrong, power plants in Iran, the very people that we were talking about helping are going to suffer the most.
Besides the military, besides everybody else, we start striking because already the oil, it's on fire.
They're breathing all that stuff in.
If we start attacking the power plant for Iran, the people that were in the streets fighting and trying to revolt to go against this Islamic Well, I mean, think about it.
If you hit the power plants, all the power is going to be gone.
We're seeing what's happening in Cuba right now.
They haven't had power for how many days?
If you hit the power plants, all the people are going to suffer in Iran.
It's not going to be just military.
Am I wrong?
Yeah.
That's my thing.
And I get it.
It's war.
But if that happens, the same people that we were trying to help are going to be affected.
What's the reason why we're in there?
Well, the initial reason I thought the first time we went to Iran was because people were in the streets.
40,000 people were killed for protesting.
And we were supposed to go in there and help them and help them put in a leader.
I think once Trump talked to Rezal Pall Avi, he realized that guy wasn't the guy.
But then from what we're hearing, it's now, this is from what I'm gathering, that now we're like, oh, they still had, they were trying to get a nuclear weapon, which I thought we knocked that all out six months ago.
I thought that was done.
The story came out that maybe we didn't go all the way in and we didn't fully destroy it.
Maybe we did.
If you remember where they were like, no, they didn't fully destroy everything they did.
And who knows the real story behind what happened there?
So, okay, Adam, your thoughts on this.
So I don't want to help the terrorists, but if the terrorists or the IRGC in Iran actually want to understand Trump, they should read one book.
It's called The Art of the Deal.
Because if they read that book and stop, put down the Quran and put up this book, they'll actually probably understand Trump's mindset.
You talk about asymmetric warfare.
How many times have you heard that term?
Asymmetric warfare?
They got drones.
We got missiles all the way there.
Trump is also using asymmetric warfare.
He's basically saying, you got 48 hours, tough guy.
They're like, what?
Hold on.
What?
Are we going to call him?
Are we going to talk to him?
All right, just kidding.
You got five days.
And then in three days, he bombs them.
And they're like, what?
I thought it was 48 hours.
Trump is unpredictable.
He's using tactics, like Vinny said.
And then if you follow the art of the deal, what does he talk about?
Thinking big.
He talks about creating leverage.
He talks about controlling the narrative, which he's doing.
All eyes on Trump.
And then it's always negotiating from strength.
Vinny, you okay, baby?
Spitting out water on me?
Anyway, the last thing I'll say is this.
Thank God we got Trump in there.
Because there's a chance that you got cackling Kamala out there negotiating with the greatest state sponsor of terrorism the world's ever seen.
Could you imagine?
Oh my God.
Chuckle, chuckle, cackle, cackle.
So you might not approve of the way that Trump operates.
And I get it.
You know, my mom isn't a fan of how Trump operates.
But like I told my mom, there's no more voting for you, mama.
Trump's in charge, and let's back him up.
So let's go through this because while this is happening, you got Mark Victor Hansen, a reasonable player.
He's not somebody that's over-emotional, one side, the other side, some guy that's fairly reasonable.
I wouldn't say fairly reasonable.
He is reasonable.
And he comes out and a story comes out, you know, where he says, this is about to be done.
I don't know where this Iran's regime could fall pretty soon.
Victor Davis Hanson says, as global tide turns.
And this is just a couple of days ago, Rob.
Is this the clip?
Yes.
Go for it.
There's enough evidence to see how things are really going.
Europeans would never agree to go anywhere near Iran unless they thought the tide was turning and they think that we're going to win.
Otherwise, they would keep still.
And the reason that the PEPTO nations of the Gulf survive is they have their finger in the wind and they're very attuned to the climate.
And when you have Al Jazeera praising the United States bombing campaign and saying that it's been underestimated and it's brilliant and effective, you get the feeling that they think not only should the United States finish the job, but it can and will finish the job.
And then when you start to see tactical aircraft like Warthogs and Apaches, that means that they're offering almost ground and sea support to hit targets.
There's nothing, there's no defense at all when you have that type of aircraft flying at will in Iranian airspace.
So you put it all together, and I think it's pretty clear that this robo-dope strategy that they have that we're going to tire before they are is dependent on just public opinion, the midterms, and the United States.
Have Trump sees it through, and I think he will.
I think they're going to fall pretty soon.
Tom, do you agree with them?
I think this is a very cogent analysis, and I hope he's right.
I agree with the analysis step by step because it shows historically how the nations have been reacting.
And then all 23 nations, not all 23, 23 significant nations all came together in agreement over the weekend.
So I basically agree with him, and I think it sounds directionally correct when you look at the posturing and the actions of everybody over the weekend.
Everybody wants this war to be over, and they want the objective to be met.
And now everybody appears to be lining up to position themselves for day one after the war.
And he went down the list of the Europeans are getting ready for this.
The Gulf nations are putting their finger in the wind, as he said it, getting ready for this.
I believe Qatar, I believe, asked the Hamas leaders, because there's a Hamas office that's literally like three streaks over or something from the U.S. embassy that's in Qatar.
They were asked, you know, can you clear out of here?
So everything he said sounds reasonable, and it sure sounds like people think the tide is turning on this.
Not tide is turning, but that we're coming to the end of it.
I hope we are.
Okay, so I'm going to read this.
More than 20 nations spanning from Asia to Europe to the Gulf have expressed a readiness to contribute to the effort of opening up the Strait of Hormuz amid threatens, threats to ship by the Islamist regime.
In a joint statement released on Saturday morning, the nations of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Republic of Korea, Romania, Slovenia, Sweden, UAE, and the UK condemned in the strongest terms the recent attacks by Iran against unarmed civilian shipping vessels, its attacks on oil and gas infrastructure throughout the Gulf,
and its move to shut down traffic in the Strait of Hormuz.
We express our deep concern about the escalating conflict.
We call on Iran to seize immediately its threats, laying up mines, drones, and missile sanctions, and other attempts to block the strait to commercial shipping and to comply with UN National Security Council Resolution 2817.
The group of nations said, Adam, your thoughts?
So it's pretty clear to me this one thing.
Iran is holding the world hostage.
You know, I said this before.
They started their new country off 47 years ago by holding how many Americans hostages?
Almost 500 American hostages.
And 47 years later, they're going to hold the whole world hostage.
This is what they do.
By the way, their little proxies, Hamas literally holds people hostage.
You got Hezbollah holding Lebanon hostage.
You got the Houthis holding Yemen hostage.
This is their game plan.
You know, it's kind of like U.S. and Israel and their allies.
They're basically saying, you mess around, we'll kill you.
And Iran goes, oh yeah, you kill me.
I'm going to kill everybody.
Remember the scene in white man can't jump.
He's like, I don't know what's going on here, but I'm going to go to my car, get my gun, I'm going to kill everybody here.
And that's the reality of what Iran is willing to do.
They will hold the whole world hostage in order to protect their regime.
And by the way, I get it.
If it was me against the world, like Tupac, I understand if you want to take out the world, but this is why the world has to have a moral fiber and a backbone.
Like all these countries are basically saying, yeah, we can no longer be held hostage by the Iranian theocratic regime.
We're done with these people.
Pat, and mind you, I'm not a freaking, I'm not in these meetings.
We're not in the Department of War.
I'm not into any of that.
I'm just trying to figure out, do we think objectively these people are going to stop?
Because right now, all the leaders, whoever steps up, dead, and they keep stepping up.
Who's going to stop?
Iran?
Because I'm trying to genuinely figure out: is it just the military?
Who's giving the orders for them to keep fighting?
Because every single person of authority is getting whacked left and right.
I'm talking about it.
Like, I'm trying to figure out.
So, the allegedly gay son is in charge right now.
I don't know where he is.
He might be in underground party.
He might not be alive.
But what I'm saying is, I'm trying to figure out the clear objective of when can we say, because you know, two weeks.
And again, I'm going to give the president, because who was the Adam, tell me I wasn't the one that was saying during the terrorists.
When everybody was losing their minds, I go, let him cook, give him some freaking time.
And then what happened?
It worked, even though he got undercut by the Supreme Justices.
But my thing is, what is going to be the goal of guys?
We got them.
We're done.
And are we going to put in like the leader has to take over?
Because other than that, we keep killing them.
Who's going to actually take the reins and be like, all right, now we're going to have an election.
This is who we want.
This is very, it's very touchy, Tom.
Like, I'm trying to figure out the goal.
Like, what's the objective?
Everyone kill as many bad guys as we can?
Well, here's what Scott Besson had to say, Rob.
If you want to play this clip, would meet the press?
Go forward.
I was on the phone with President Trump a week ago.
He told me allies were on the way to help secure the Strait of Hormuz.
Has the Trump administration abandoned that strategy and now chosen to go it alone?
Again, what we have done, there has been a campaign to using military assets to soften up the Iranian fortifications along the strait.
That's going to continue until they are completely demolished.
And Kristen, let me tell you: whether it's this network or the mainstream press, the American people do not have good framing what is going on here.
If you were to read what is happening, and I'm sure when Senator Murphy is on, you know, he has come out and said we are losing the war.
That is wrong.
We have demolished the Iranian capabilities.
Their Air Force is completely destroyed, Navy destroyed.
And every day we are taking out their missiles, their missile systems, and the factories that build those missiles.
And now General Kane, Secretary Hegset, are leading a campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the Straits of Hormuz.
There you go, Adam.
The biggest takeaway that I have from that is he's basically saying the Democratic Establishment Party, the media party, is going to start claiming that we're losing the war.
That's a lie.
Where you have the IRGC and the Ayatollahs claiming that they're winning the war.
That's also a lie.
So there's a war going on here, just so you understand.
There's bombs, there's missiles, there's energy, there are oil.
The most important war is the war for your mind.
Don't father.
There you go, Vinny.
I believe that.
Don't fall for the nonsense.
I was talking with a friend of mine.
He's a Navy SEAL, good buddy of mine.
I've talked to him yesterday.
He goes, buddy, I don't think you understand how good we are at war now.
He goes, we've already decapitated 80% of their offensive output of their boats and their ships and their planes and their defense mechanisms.
All they have left is this hostage situation with the Strait of Hormuz.
But meanwhile, you know, this whole endless wars thing that they've been talking about, yeah, nobody wants that.
But look at the flip side.
That means we've been training for 20 years for this moment.
And you saw what happened when we took out the nuclear bombs in what part of Iran was in the summer.
And they said, how long did they say they were doing those flights for pretended 20 years?
So imagine we're pretending to do this podcast and we have 20 years to practice a podcast.
I think we're going to nail the podcast.
That's how good our military is at this point.
Again, we don't want endless foreign wars.
We don't want that.
We want to get in.
We want to get out.
We want to be precise.
We've learned from the George W. Bush debacles.
And here's Trump basically saying, it's been 47 years.
Can you give us four to seven weeks before you breathe down our throats?
And that's where we're at now.
And by the way, this whole thing about what Iran's capabilities were.
This weekend, there was a story that came out with Iran having the capabilities of long-range missiles, Rob.
I think you have this clip.
Right?
Iran ballistic missile hits Israeli city in terrifying strike near top secret facility that is key to countries' atomic weapons.
That's one story.
But the other one is the long-range Rob.
Do you have a clip on that to show with a long-range missile?
Yes.
Trying to see what page that was on.
Right here.
It's Fox News.
Okay, go for it.
One of the things we hear a lot about in these conflicts is an escalation ladder.
And when Iran fired the intermediate range ballistic missiles at Diego Garcia that Trey mentioned, 4,000 kilometers from Iran, that was an escalation that not only stunned the U.S., but the entire world.
Because Iran had not publicly stated that they had anything that could go more than 2,000 kilometers.
And yet here, now we know they have two 4,000 kilometer range intermediate missiles that fortunately did not impact anything, but it's a warning.
It's a message that they have these capabilities that they didn't publicly state.
In fact, under President Obama's JCPOA, there was no restriction on Iran's missile capabilities.
They said they weren't building it.
Now we know.
And what is the danger?
Why is the world unnoticed?
Because look, from Rome, Munich, Paris, London, Berlin, Oslo, all now within this radius, these capitals in many of these capitals in these countries do not have the missile interceptor technology like we have and like Israel has.
So should a nuclear-tipped intermediate range ballistic missile be fired at one of these capitals, it could change the trajectory of humanity as we know it.
Now, let me read this.
And Evini, I'm going to come to you here for this one.
So in the same period, while this is taking place, Operation Epic Fury, February 28th, Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Al-Ghaji, claimed, we intentionally kept the range of our missiles below 2,000 kilometers, so we don't have that capability.
And we don't want to do that because we do not have hostility against the United States people and all Europeans.
He said this on February 20th.
Keep in mind, today's what?
The 23rd?
He said that a month ago.
On Saturday, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir, said, just yesterday, Iran launched a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 4,000 kilometers, 2,500 miles towards an American target on the island of Diego Garcia.
These missiles were not intended to hit Israel.
Their range reaches the capitals of Europe, Berlin, Paris, Rome, and all within directorate ranges.
And then the IDF spokesperson, Nadav Shoshani, blasted the alleged Iranian deception on X-riding just three days before the war.
Iranian regime said they don't obtain long-range missiles.
Today, their lives were exposed once again.
When missiles were fired 4,000 kilometers away from Iran, they hope to lie their way into becoming a force that can terrorize the world.
North Korea Nuclear Threats00:15:46
We didn't buy that, Vinnie.
It's right now, who do you want to believe?
Do you want to believe an Islamic state leader that literally, literally kills their own people, hangs athletes for protesting against their regime?
Or are you going to believe our Department of War?
That's what it boils down to.
And by the way, my brother, Victor, was stationed at Diego Garcia.
You know how important this base is for B-52 bombers, for B-1 bombers, for our munitions?
They go there, they stage stuff, and then they leave there.
The fact that they can actually reach there is a huge, huge, huge problem.
And then, guess what?
And like Adam was saying, we have to go in there, knock them out.
I'm hoping to God that they are targeting every single one of these missile sites.
I'll give them another two weeks to get this all taken care of, and then that's it.
Because this base is so freaking important.
It's in the middle of the Indian Ocean, Pat.
My brother was there for, I think, for a year.
And my brother yesterday was saying, like, Vinny, if they could touch that, it's horrible.
That means UK could get hit and a bunch of other bases.
So guess what?
It doesn't surprise me that he's lying about the length and the capability of the missiles.
I want you to watch this clip by Abbas R. Ghaji, who said Iran does not have missiles that can reach America three days before firing the 4,000 kilometers from Iran.
Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not, if you want to play that clip.
So this is just three days before launching it that he said that.
Okay, this is three days before launching it that he said.
Is that it, Rob?
Go forward.
He has very clearly said, and please tell me where that credibility of the information really comes from when he says that President has claimed that Iran is developing missiles that can reach America.
Himself, the victim of fake news, unfortunately.
We are not developing, you know, long-range missiles, and we have limited the range of our missiles below 2,000 kilometers, intentionally.
So our missiles is our reliable means of defense, and we have no intention to extend their range.
So this is not the fact.
It was also mentioned the number of killings in Iran and other fake news.
We have already published the name of those of the victims of the recent terrorist operation in Iran.
32,000.
3,100.
32,000.
32,000.
3,000.
32,000.
Only 3,117 victims.
Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.
We have always said, and I would like to reaffirm, that we have no intention to go for nuclear weapons.
There you go, Tom, thoughts.
So I go back to a chapter of history.
Kim Yong-il, North Korea, you know, madman who passed power over to Kim Yong-un, his son, in 2011, and now Kim Yong-un, known as Little Rocket Man.
And he's done these tests of the Hwasong 17 and Hwang Song 18.
They keep going further and further and further into the sea of Japan, and it makes people nervous.
And guess what?
Now North Korea is, you know, assumably and reliably assumably a nuclear power that has rockets that could reach Tokyo.
And they've launched these things.
So it's like, do you sit by and let this happen?
And then now you're perpetually negotiating with North Korea?
Well, this rocket makes me very concerned.
This is why when they said we were going to go get the nuclear elements there, we're going to go in and get the nuclear elements and we're going to destroy the ability to do it and we're going to get the drones, factories, and destroy their ability to do it.
This is why.
We don't want them to have the capability because it's one thing to have a nuclear bomb and then when you have missile technology, now you have the ability to deliver it far away.
And that's bad.
And so by all reports, it appears to be legitimate.
Remember North Korea's test?
I bring him up.
Remember how many tests we would see that their tests failed and the rocket didn't launch properly, lands in the water, they launch another one, goes up there, it loses speed, it lands in the water.
This is part of test.
And testing, testing, testing, eventually a nation gets it right and they have a somewhat reliable weapon that can cause real damage to populated areas.
And this really, this concerns me.
But this is why we were going in.
How convinced are you?
It's a true report.
I'm 90% convinced when I see things like the AP that would not want to report this like that.
AP would want to say, oh, it was just a test.
It's just a toy.
It's not really working.
Another thing that the Warhawks are going to use to convince Trump to go into Iran.
To me, that's how the mainstream media would play it.
Don't you think, Pat?
I think it would be played by.
Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of thoughts, a lot of thoughts on this.
Adam, I'll come to you first and I'll give my thoughts.
85, 90% to your question.
Vinny, where you at with it?
Been out.
Of it being real, the 4,000 kilometers.
I was just going to ask you guys, do you believe that guy, the guy that does what he does to his people of anything?
I don't believe him.
I believe that.
But you believe they have it.
100% that they have it.
Hold on.
Where you at?
Of course they do.
They already launched it.
They launched two of them.
And by the way, just so you know, I'm looking at all the reports.
I'm going everywhere.
Left, right, center, Reuters, CNN, AP, the Times, Times of India, Economic Times.
You go anywhere.
They're all saying that this is a true reporting that they attempted this weekend.
4,000 kilometers, long-range missiles that can hit sites, U.S. sites, not in the country, but some military units that we have, different places like the Diego Garcia.
Everybody is saying this is accurate, that this exists, that this is happening.
And you know why?
Bad thing about it.
You're losing so bad.
This is like a way.
They just change the range.
They go for it.
Gets knocked down to say, hey, hey, we're still tough.
They are getting decimated.
Like, put all the BS aside.
We are in war.
If you look at it and pull back, we are destroying them.
We are destroying them.
And if you're part of the losing side, you know you have to say, hey, we could hit UK.
Hey, we could kind of hit a military base.
Tom, you have to.
If you're drowning, you're trying to grab onto anything, anything to save yourself.
I see two quick points on that.
I hear that.
So the first is, I've never heard the Crips and Blood say to each other, oh, don't worry, my nine millimeter bullets won't go through t-shirts.
Right?
So I'm doing some gangster things.
So my rocket only goes 2,000 miles.
We would never turn it up to 4,000.
Why would we do such a thing?
That just seems to be lunatic.
And listening and just processing just now, I'm kind of processing it a slightly different way all of a sudden, Pat.
When you get all of the countries in the news media saying it's real, what are they really saying?
They're really saying, holy crap, it's real.
Yes.
We got to stop this guy.
So all the liberals suddenly are now.
But it's not just liberals, Tom.
It's not just liberals.
It's more than that.
Go ahead, Adam.
Okay.
So all these people do is lie.
There's actually something in their book called Takia, which it's like, dude, we want you to lie.
We're encouraging you to lie.
You can find that for me, Rob.
So all they do is like, much like DJ Khaled, all he does is win, win, win.
All these people do is lie, lie, lie.
So right now there's a poker game going on right now, and everyone's got to figure out who's bluffing.
Iran's bluffing.
And we all know what they're about.
We know what they're going to do.
We've been watching them for 47 years.
They are the same people who just said a few months ago, hey, listen, we just had a little bit of internet blackout.
No big deal.
The power be on after the weekend.
Oh, the power comes back on.
They murdered all their people.
30, 40, 50,000 murdered.
You hear the stories from the people in the streets.
They said there was a million people in the streets protesting the IRGC and the army and the police brutality came out and just started spraying people dead.
We got people freaking out when a gay lesbian couple goes out and tries to Have beef with ice.
The whole country goes crazy because she gets in the way.
Why are we so silent when they're going to be murdering their own people?
So this is, correct me if I'm wrong, Pat.
The people here who said, quote unquote, we don't have a problem with people of the United States of America or the Europeans.
Are these the same people who've been shouting death to America nonstop for 47 years?
Don't they also say death to England, death to Israel?
So excuse me if I don't believe you, Takia guy.
Last point is this.
We want to know the reason that we're going into Iran.
There's 10 reasons.
But the number one reason is nuclear.
Yes, they kill their people.
Yes, they're sowing chaos.
Yes, they're a terrorist regime.
Yes, yes, yes.
We can't have them have nuclear.
Now, if you believe this chart, I'm no nuclear scientist like Tom over here, but apparently you need to have 90% enriched uranium in order to have a nuclear weapon.
If you look at this chart, 3% to 5% is just general all-energy.
You know, they say, oh, we got to use nuclear energy.
20% is research.
After that, there's nobody in the history of the world that has had up to 60% that hasn't gone to 90.
So I'll ask you this.
Do you believe that they want to create a nuclear weapon?
I believe yes.
Do you believe that they will use a nuclear weapon?
I believe they would.
Or at the very least, will they use the nuclear weapon to hold the whole world hostage?
They're like North Korea with jihad.
And we just can't afford to have them even consider nuclear weapons.
So that's why we're in Iran right now.
Yeah, so here's where I'm at with this.
I think you have to look at everything.
Let's be super reasonable and have nothing emotionally attached to what could happen.
Let's just kind of lay it out and play possibilities.
One, you know, Israel is creating this story of 4,000 kilometers long-range missiles and it doesn't exist.
They fired it from somewhere else to say, CC, they have it.
Hey, Mr. President, they have it.
Let's kill them, right?
Okay, that's one.
There's a community that actually believes that, right?
Of course.
Okay.
The next one is, no, they actually do have it.
Okay.
They actually do have, you know, long-range missiles, 4,000 kilometer missiles to be able to attack many of the areas that are our allies or even some of our military base.
Okay.
So then, you know, when you're saying, you know, Iran, you know, they get, they're told to lie because of religion, all this other stuff.
Listen, at this point, listen, no politician is innocent of that part.
When a guy makes it to the highest level, you think presidents are telling the truth?
If you believe that, I got a lot of things to sell you right afterwards.
You know, but this is in their book.
It's like if it was in our constitution.
I get it.
That'd be one thing.
Yeah, I get it.
Anybody elected senator should be imprisoned.
Listen, I had Joey Merlino on the podcast the other day.
You know how many times I asked him about the Philadelphia crisis.
He's the current boss of the Philadelphia crime family, according to the FBI.
Guess what he said?
It's all lies.
It's not true.
It's all lies.
It's all lies.
There was even a moment where I said, your best friend, Mickey Changs, was killed by his brother, Joey Changs, from Stanford's camp, who was at the time the boss of the Philadelphia crime family.
I said, he killed your best friend, Mikey.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I said, after they killed it, did you have any desire to want to seek vengeance?
Guess what his answer was?
No.
The rumor has it that they went and they killed the guy that killed Mikey Changs.
Guess what Joey said for two hours?
No.
I said, you didn't have any desire to want to seek vengeance?
Guess what his answer was?
Not at all.
Then I said, how did you become so noble?
And then he's got a smile on his face.
You understand the sequence of that?
Of course, it was an interesting conversation.
You know, some people in the comment section said interrogation, whatever you want to call it.
It was a conversation.
But what's the point here?
When you make it to that level, if it's me revealing to you while knowing the enemy is watching everything I'm saying, you think they're going to tell everything?
So I'm not sitting here saying, hey, enemies liable.
We always tell the truth.
Then you're so flippant naive.
I got four kids.
You know, you get trained very quickly when you have a lot of kids on how capable human beings are, even those that you love sometimes.
But here's where it kind of goes to for me.
If it is true that they do have long-range missiles, if it is, to the community that doesn't want that to be true, because why?
Your argument then looks what?
Terrible.
And you have to say what?
See, it's all Israel.
See, it's all Israel.
That's a lazy conversation and position that that community is making.
If it is true that they do have it, let's say you, even that community that says it is them, even to that community that believes, you know, what if it's them?
I'm telling you, what if you knew for a fact, 100%, we took you over there, you saw where it came from, we showed you the clips, we showed you exactly who came, who pressed the button.
If you knew that's exactly 100%, what's your next move?
What should America do?
If you knew, what should America do?
Keep going.
Now hear me on what I'm going to ask you again, Tom.
I'll come to you because you're fairly reasonable.
If we know 100% they have long-range missiles, 100% they have the capability to hit us, what should happen next?
You got to go.
You got to go put an end to it.
If that's the position, Tom, are you firm with what you just said right there?
You have to be.
If you know 100% they have it.
If I know, if I know 100% for a fact, and you showed me, like, I saw it.
I'm telling you, let's just say there is 100%.
You're sitting in the situation room.
What should we do next, Vinny?
What do you think?
Like, whatever we're doing right now, you have to ramp it up and get it over with because guess what?
If, like I said earlier, once they get that desperate, then they could do what else?
What else are they hiding from us that you don't know?
You have to take them out.
Like, why is it taking so long?
Just take it all out.
Go for it.
You're slowly doing this mission.
Take every single, because Pat, we can't don't, like, I don't like for them to try to pretend they know where every missile is.
They know what every capability is.
They need to just do it.
If I know for a fact that that's the truth, get it over with.
Destroy it.
So, period.
Two things.
One, nuclear capability.
Adam's right.
All the intelligence is pointed to the fact that it's 60% enriched and they keep running the centrifuges to get it, to get the uranium.
And once you get it to 90%, you put it in a compressed tennis ball, basically, and you've got yourself a nuclear weapon.
Then the long-range missiles.
If I was in the situation room right now, I'd be like, Mr. President, we need to ask the Joint Chiefs, did we know we had this capability?
Have we destroyed the launchers?
Have we destroyed the factory that's making this long-range missile?
How on earth did they launch this in the middle of a war when for 21 days, we've been destroying things?
That would be my question, Pat.
And if now we know that they have something else, why didn't we know with the intelligence?
But we got to take care of that because you have nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
The delivery systems makes the nuclear weapon all the more dangerous.
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If I know for a fact, is there a possibility that if these 20 nations all of a sudden turned, is there a possibility that they had full-on proof to show that there is, this was their missile?
Is that a possibility that these guys all of a sudden flipped and they're like, no, we got your back because proof was shown?
Maybe, I don't know.
But if there is, and they're in there and they need, they're shown that this is the threat, you American people.
Sometimes as a founder, CEO, you'll do stuff for your guys, and they won't even know you're doing it for them, and they're not grateful for it.
And they will never know.
Sometimes you do that as a father.
Sometimes you do that as a husband.
Sometimes you do that as a leader.
And no one will ever know what's going on behind closed doors.
No, and by the way, you will never get the gratitude you want.
They'll privately text you and say, oh my God, you've changed my life.
But publicly, they never want to give you the credit because, God forbid, some of the other guys see it.
So this is kind of where he's at.
But if you're a leader and you're in that position and you know the information, if that's really what it is, call the shot.
You know what makes me uncomfortable?
Here's what makes me uncomfortable.
Okay, so then 7:10 this morning, the president comes out and says, Yeah, you know what?
We talked and we're extending it from tonight to five days is what we're doing because the talks are going good.
The moment I read that, before even you guys telling me Mario and the fall, because Adam said then, Mario and the fall said, oh, somebody send it in, right?
No, you read it, right?
What did I say?
I don't believe that.
I said, I don't know if I believe that.
Why?
7.10 is when?
Market opens.
Not market doesn't open 7.10 is pre-market.
So the moment you did that, and when did you announce that?
What's today?
Today's Monday.
Why does today matter?
Say, Monday, you don't do it on Saturday or Sunday.
Why don't you announce that Sunday at 8 p.m.?
It's not the same as Monday at 7.10 a.m., right before the market opens up, oil drops 10%.
Market is up 700.
Where is Dow at right now, by the way?
The market's already opened up.
What's it looking like right now, Tom?
How's the market looking like right now?
It's up.
It's up 842.
Up real big.
Almost 2% of Dow is up.
How much is SP up, Rob?
Can you go to the SP right next to your right?
Just go to your right.
No, no, where you were at your first.
SP is up 100 and click S P. Everything's up almost 70%.
Okay, got it.
100 2%.
All right, so everything is up.
And then Iran comes out and says, no, we haven't had any talks.
So then you know what that makes me think about.
I don't know if the 4,000 kilometer range missile is true or not.
I don't know.
I'm going to be leaning towards 70, 80%.
It's right.
Okay.
I'm going to go 70, 80% right.
But my skeptical side is going to sit there and say, you know, Trump is very good at confusing.
It's a very important skill set.
He's very good at confusing.
He's very good at, you know, he's the kind of guy that'll come and sit with you and have a great conversation with you.
And you're like, oh my God, we just had a conversation.
You go in the car, car blows up.
No, I'm being very honest.
That's a part of a boss, a leader.
When you know this guy crossed the line and you know, like the scene in Godfather when Al Pacino kisses, you know, his brother is like, hey, and you know what that kiss means.
That's it.
Brother, you're talking about, right?
So do I think he's doing that to throw him off?
Because tonight, when the USS Triple E gets there around 7:40, 7.40, I don't know what the time is going to be, Tom.
And then as we get closer, if he knows the 4,000 kilometer is real, and in the next week, two weeks, they all of a sudden decimate.
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And Mark Victor Hansen, who's a reasonable player, whom I trust, he's never been a guy that's like a, you know, plays the game or is emotional or bitterness or angry.
No, he's just a very cool, calm, level-headed guy.
He says, why did these other 20 nations all of a sudden join?
Why did they?
Maybe there's something going on none of us know about.
And by the way, let me tell you where I'm at.
I'm leaning towards this better and fast.
You know, if you got it, if this is true and the 4,000 kilometers are real, you better go and wrap it up now instead of waiting any longer.
Tom, I'll give you the final thoughts.
I'll go to you first because I'm a gun.
Why are you so focused on the 4,000 kilometer thing?
What is it?
What pinpoint for me?
2,000 to 4,000 kilometers.
No, meaning, so go further than that.
You're saying that that's the extent of where they can attack.
So it's not just the Middle East.
You said you didn't have the capabilities just a month ago.
Now you do.
So you lied.
What else do you have that the rest of the world doesn't know about?
It's like, Rob, is it documented that Israel has nuclear weapons?
Is it documented?
Like, have they publicly said that they have nuclear weapons?
Okay.
I don't think they've ever admitted it.
Range of people.
It's widely believed.
95%.
Oh, no, it's not 95%.
I'm telling you they got it.
Yeah, very high.
I'm telling you, they got it, right?
So look, if you're lying to me about 4,000, what else do you have that maybe we don't know about?
I mean, I'll double down on what I always say.
Nobody trusts these people.
All they do is lie.
And the whole world knows it.
But it's kind of like they needed the United States to go and do what it did and that Israel to do what it did.
Now Trump goes, make your move, world.
What do you want to do?
You now have verifiable proof that they can attack any single one of you.
And by the way, they would.
If they're going to kill their own people, you don't think they're going to kill you?
Germans?
Brits?
French?
It's funny when the guy says, all these numbers about us, the numbers are wrong.
We did not kill 32,000 of our own people.
We only killed 3,17 people.
Oh, okay.
Well, what a noble guy.
Well, thank you so much that you only, we would never kill our own people, 32,000, but we would kill 31, 17.
They deserved it.
They deserved it, right?
What a nice guy.
Some things don't need to be overcomplicated.
They'll kill their own people.
What will they do to anybody else?
Kids, grandkids, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, all big.
They'll hang on the street.
And you're worried whether or not they'll kill you, random person in the UK?
It's so obvious.
4,000 is very important.
It's very important.
It's very important because the side that has said they have this capability can now say, I told you so.
Exactly.
Now, Iran, by the way, just so you know, this is very important for people to realize.
A lot of people are saying, well, Iran said they don't have it.
No, they didn't say that.
Iran is playing kind of slippery slope the way they answer the question because they want you to know they have it.
Right.
To say, oh, you haven't even got the worst of us, the best of us.
We have a stockpile.
Wait to see what we can do to you.
We dare you to come through and we dare you to do this.
When you're small, act big.
When you're big, act small.
They're small.
They're acting tougher, but maybe they have it.
And so they're not taking responsibility for the missiles, if that makes sense.
You know what I'm saying?
They're not coming out and say, it wasn't us, right?
They're just kind of like, you know, the questions being asked about, you know, you ask him a question about what happened and the guy deflects and gives a complete different answer of what took place, but he never answered a question that you were being asked about.
They're kind of playing that game.
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They're completely desperate right now.
They're in the last leg of everybody.
Mark Spencer Hansen is a very reasonable guy.
Listen, eliminate all the emotional voices.
You're in a room.
Your guys and your company come up to you.
This is not, do you not understand what this carrier is doing?
And this insurance company did this.
And let me tell you, our paperwork got lost.
So many paperworks got lost.
And then I found that one paperwork got lost and it wasn't even lost.
They forgot to send a signature and it was a six-week process.
And then I'm like, listen, to all the loud, crazy, emotional guys, guys, I got you.
You're my guys.
You're super emotional.
To the two people that are super reasonable, what's going on with you?
Pat, it's not that bad.
They actually got it to you.
What's going on with you?
It's really nothing going on.
It's just this one thing that they did that they fixed three weeks ago.
Okay, great guys.
Next story.
Let's move on.
I think it's those things you have to know.
The emotional people want to be able to say what?
What do the emotional people need?
What do you think content creators today that are the emotional people, mainstream streamers, podcasters, influencers, guess what they need?
They need a boogeyman.
They need something to push against.
They need to be able to say the magical words, which is what I told you so.
Oh, yeah.
I told you so it's what I told you so based on what?
Whatever their position is.
Okay, whatever their position is.
So we don't know.
I mean, the market has to watch and see what happens next.
I will tell you, this whole morning, this 7.10 this morning, the president, what he did, come on, guys.
I mean, that's, the man is a PR pro.
He knows exactly what he was doing when he sent that tweet at 7.10 and the market's reacting to it.
That, you know, it's all, and New York Times.
What does New York Times write?
New York Times write an article.
There's finally eyeing an, Trump is finally eyeing an exit from Iran, but will he take it, right?
Will he take it?
This story that I've got.
Trust in New York.
I told you so.
Yeah, no, they're saying these are, that's actually a good article for the stock market.
Right.
Let me read it to you one more time.
Just a headline.
Trump is finally eyeing.
Trump is finally eyeing an exit from Iran.
How do you think the market takes that headline?
Oh, good.
It's over.
That's great.
Oh, it's getting done.
That's going to go.
Okay.
Anyway, so I don't know.
Trump is the only person in maybe human history that based on one tweet can move the market up or down a trillion dollars in an hour.
Think about the amount of power this guy has.
He sent that tweet at what time today, Pat?
Before the market.
He didn't do it on Sunday.
No.
He did it right before the market opened.
Trump is.
He's been doing this for a while.
He knows what he's doing.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
The guy is the sequencing master, and it drives a lot of people and say, now, while this is going on, let's go to a completely different story.
Robert Mueller died this weekend.
And when he died, the president was one of the first to send out a tweet.
The president was very complimentary of Chuck Norris when he died.
But unlike Chuck Norris, when Robert Mueller died, this is his tweet.
Robert Morrill has just died.
Good.
I'm glad he's dead.
He can no longer hurt innocent people.
President Donald J. Trump.
Vinny.
Well, listen, me personally, I think Robert Mueller was a horrible human being.
I think he went after Trump.
He went after Trump's family, his business associates, his friends, his political allies, anyone he thought that could help him create a link between the president and Russia.
He caused countless numbers of innocent people to spend millions and millions of dollars on legal fees based on a hoax that we all knew was a hoax, including Roger Stone, who I did a podcast with and we're going to be airing it today.
On top of destroying lives, he deceived the American people and divided so many.
I've lost friends because of that.
I lost family members that never wanted to talk to me again.
But that being said, horrible person, right?
I am completely against someone celebrating someone's death.
Full stop.
And yes, I remember, like, remember the Japanese thing and all, you know, Pearl Harbor.
Remember, that's funny.
That's him off the cuff.
That's cool.
But that's who we're dealing with.
But I'm not judging him.
I'm just pointing out the fact.
Remember, a true Christian wouldn't write that, Pat.
And somebody, even if somebody was around him.
That's not a true Christian.
Exactly.
Well, that, remember, Adam, remember we had that?
You can't have the standard.
He himself said, I don't think I'm going to heaven.
And he joked about it.
And he says, Charlie Kirk, his Lord and Savior.
But remember, when we talked about it the last time, when I said Trump said that, people were like, no, that's not what he said.
You misheard what he said.
Because people still believe that Trump is a Christian because he has people like, well, Paula White, we could get into her later.
But Pat, the crazy thing is when I saw this story, and I promised you guys, I was sitting on my couch reading the Gospel of Matthew.
I even, I think I told Tom about this.
It was a Sermon on the Mount on chapter five.
And this is where, remember I told you, one of the hardest things for me is praying for my enemies and really like hoping that they do well to get into their minds.
Matthew chapter 5, chapter 43 says, you have heard this, that it was said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your father in heaven.
He causes his son to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
If you love those who love you, what reward do you get?
Okay?
And it's so hard, Pat.
It's so hard.
It's so hard.
But here's the thing.
Whoever's sitting next to Trump, how are you letting him press send?
How are you saying, go ahead and put that out?
I understand he was a horrible person.
I understand.
There's so many people out there that are trying to destroy him, but you can't have that attitude.
You can't have that good, I'm glad he's dead.
I'm sorry, but that's not the attitude to have.
I think it's a really, really bad thought for the president.
Well, I agree with that.
Morally, spiritually, I never celebrate somebody's death.
The best thing, think about your worst enemy.
Tom, I've seen you celebrate a lot of Iguana's death.
I don't know.
Don't act like a saint, Tom.
Well, listen, as long as none of these Democrats don't turn out to be reptiles, they're fine, right?
Yeah, I got you.
Otherwise, we may have trouble.
All right.
One of the most feared men in Fort Lauderdale is Tom Ellsworth and the Iguana community.
That's exactly right.
They call him John Gotti.
That's exactly right.
And so be careful.
If Shagubert turns out to be a snake, uh-oh.
So now then, I don't celebrate another human's death.
One of the most beautiful things that ever could happen in life is someone who is, call it an enemy, an enemy turns and changes.
And the joy you have at that, say, not only is it over, but then you have the joy, right?
The original joy of your salvation.
That's a precious moment here on earth.
And I've had that experience.
You know, I've had that experience a couple of times with people that I really didn't like things.
And they came to the Lord and it changed their life.
And so I did not like to see this response, right?
Now, we're going to say, now you're going to say but, but I'll say but.
But what Trump went through and what Robert Mueller did was horrifying.
What Robert Mueller did to so many people was absolutely horrifying.
And you know what?
It made me think about this.
Can we look at a quick clip, Pat, of Trump reacting at the end of a long day, about to get on Air Force One and being told Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died.
He was not a friend of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Go ahead, Rob.
Let's see it.
Back up.
Go ahead.
She just died?
Wow.
I didn't know that.
I just played that music or no.
Rob, we can't play that music, Rob.
Rob, pull that music.
Yeah, we can't play that music.
So Tom, what is it?
That was me singing in the background.
You see his face?
He pauses.
He looks down.
He holds up his hands and he said, she had an amazing life.
And he complimented her.
He said, we didn't agree, but she had an amazing life.
And so you're sitting there saying, there's a compliment.
He's not saying.
Oh, there's a big difference.
Did she send guys to come to your place and go through your wife's panties?
No, that's my point about Robert Mueller.
It's like Trump is not, to people that say he's a monster, he's not.
There is an example.
He was gracious with the political advocate.
You know, I had Anthony on the other day, right?
We were with him last week, Scuramucci, who is not a fan of Trump.
Still.
Oh, and he said why.
He says, look, he called my wife out.
It's permanent.
Guess what?
I agree.
I get it.
Okay, cool.
I understand it.
Robert sent people to go through.
This is what Besson said when he was asked about it, Rob, if you want to play the Besson clip, go for it.
Ask you on a different topic about a post by President Trump from yesterday responding to the death of former special counsel Robert Mueller.
He posted this quote, Robert Mueller just died.
Good.
I'm glad he's dead.
He can no longer hurt innocent people.
Do you think it's appropriate for the president of the United States to celebrate the death of an American citizen, someone who's a bronze star, Purple Heart recipient, and who served in Vietnam?
Kristen, I was with the president in the green room at Davos, and there was a video playing of what may have been an illegal raid on his home at Mar-Largo.
They are going through his wife's wardrobe, and I watched the look in his eye, and I think that neither one of us can understand what has been done to the president and to his family.
But to the question of the president's post, I mean, Robert Mueller didn't order that raid.
Is it appropriate for the president to celebrate the death of any American citizen?
I think that given what has been done to President Trump and his family, it is impossible for either of us to understand what he has been through.
So you don't think that there's anything wrong with the post saying that?
Again, I think that we should all have a little empathy for what has been done to him and his family.
All right.
Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, thank you as always for being here.
I really appreciate it.
I could have empathy and all that stuff.
At the end of the day, and he's not a Christian.
It's the hardest thing for me is to love and to pray for my enemies.
It's the hardest.
All the other stuff, it's very challenging, Pat.
Lusting over, you know this because you were with me.
I'm not.
If you look at a girl in lust, you've already done it in your heart.
It's so, this is not an easy thing, but once you go for a crisis and you're like, okay, I'm all in, it's very difficult, okay?
But if somebody dies for you to say good, there's the difference.
I would never, ever, ever be able to do that.
As much as I hate them, by the way, I'm not married.
Nobody came to my house.
Nobody rated me.
Nobody tried to rob me.
I get all that aside.
The most challenging thing is just, how about this?
Feel however you want to feel.
You don't post it for the entire world to see and the person next to you, whoever's in charge of your tweets or whatever, says, yeah, go for it.
I would have felt the Christians around him would have said, Mr. President, we know that you're not.
I'm just telling you, sir, this is a horrible look.
It's a very, very horrible look.
That's what I'm saying.
You can be glad it's over.
Yeah.
You see a guy has hostages and there's a bank robbery.
Let's hear what Adam's going to say.
And the police take actions.
I'm glad that's over.
Adam, go ahead.
Trump basically dancing on the grave of Mueller is such a Trump thing to do.
And it's not something that any one of us would do or condone.
At the same time, if there's one person that Trump would like to direct his entire vengeance, it's clearly Robert Mueller.
Think about it.
How many of us have been president of the United States?
How many of us have had our entire first term of president hijacked over Russia, Russia, Russia?
Now, is that Robert Mueller's fault?
No.
Because there was Jeff Sessons, the Attorney General, he stood down.
Then it was Jim Comey.
He got fired.
And then it was Rod Rosenstein.
But at the end of the day, Trump is directing all his energy and vengeance and cold-blooded and ruthlessness at this one person.
Now, is that right?
Obviously, none of us have been in that position, but something tells me that Trump knows exactly what he's doing.
And I wish that Trump didn't do stuff like this.
But if someone, if you're the president of the United States and this guy is basically the personification of bringing you down, I understand where Trump is coming from.
I actually see both sides of this.
But here's my thing, Adam.
Here's the thing.
If you hate all these people so much and you have that much animosity, why isn't Kash Patel, why isn't the Department of Justice going after every single one of them?
We all know what Obama did.
We all know they spied on you.
We have all the facts.
You have everything.
A couple months ago, didn't he say, oh, the auto pen.
I'm undoing all the auto pen.
So where are the investigations?
What's Kash Patel doing?
What is he actually doing besides going to UFC fights and hanging out with people or going to hockey?
That is a very simplistic way to put everything.
No, it's not simplistic.
It's this.
Ready for this?
That's like you go to a hockey game.
I'm like, what does Vinny do all of them?
No, You went to one game.
No, but here's my thing.
Yeah, in a different country during a time of mayhem.
Here's Adam.
Here's the thing.
If you hate them so much.
Go on vacation.
Hold on.
You're not like 24, 70 entire life.
Adam, if you hate a guy so much that when he dies, you say, good, I hope he's dead.
Why aren't you going after him right now?
You are the president of the United States.
Because guess what?
They're openly saying when the left gets back into power, Adam, we're all done here.
That's their attitude.
Nobody wants that.
But when you say go after him, what do you mean by that?
Meaning, ready for this?
Everybody knows Russia collusion, can we all agree?
Was a complete hoax with Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the dossier, all of them.
And Obama used Brennan and all them to spy on people, Carter Page and Papadopoulos, during the freaking presidency.
Adam, it was all a lie.
Hillary got a slap on the wrist and the DNC got a fire.
I remember this from Tim.
So here's my question.
Why aren't you going after every single one of them?
The Fauci's, the Colm.
Comey was in.
They dropped the thing?
They dropped the suit on him.
What the hell's going on?
I think that they haven't taken any action on this.
Well, because none of them have been arrested now.
That doesn't mean Comey wasn't dying.
By the way, I will tell you, it's a good argument as well.
Good point.
Because, you know, one of the things they voted for was Cash.
Cash has not lived up to expectations.
He was one of the guys that a lot of MAGA community was super stoked about going after a lot of guys.
He didn't do it.
Why?
Nobody knows.
By the way, here's the other part that I will tell you.
Is a part of it why he didn't Trump's orders?
You think Cash is not going to do what Trump tells him to do?
Right.
You don't think Trump is saying, Cash, hang on to it.
I'll tell you when to use it when we need it.
Hang on to it.
I'll tell you when to use it when we need it.
Hang on to it.
Because you know how this thing works?
Like when you're running a business and like, let's just say you're running a sales organization, you'll have a lot of contests you'll run.
And let's just say you have five types of contests.
Tom knows this.
And one contest is a small two-week or one-week boom.
Go.
It's going to be good.
One contest is good for a month.
One contest is good for 90 days.
One contest is good for a year.
And one contest is good for two to five years.
Okay.
That you're running.
And so you will sit there in the sales organization and you'll hang on to say, Tikrit, not right now.
Not right now.
Go.
Okay.
Not right now.
Not right now.
Hang on to it.
Go.
Maybe he has these stories and he's just waiting because he looks at the calendar.
Do you know?
When do you think Trump knew he was going to tweet at 710 saying the fact that they have good talks and he's extending it to five days?
At what point do you think Trump knew that tweet was coming out?
Seriously, prior to that.
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When do you think?
Saturday.
Okay, I agree.
But I actually agree that it was the moment he tweeted the first tweet.
Yeah, I think so too.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
I agree that it was the first tweet.
And he's like, in 36 hours, here's what I'm going to be saying.
Boom, boom, boom, it goes out.
You don't think Trump's thinking about that?
So Trump's a calendar guy and he's trying to feel stories in, like, you don't think he looks at it like, you know, as a husband, I'm wife, you sit in your calendar, you give everything out for the, okay, this is the birthday, this is the anniversary, this is this, this is the wedding, this is that.
Which wedding can we go to?
Out of these 40 weddings we're invited, we'll go to these two and we can go here and we can go there, okay?
And then we take the family here, we'll take the personal thing here, we'll do this here.
He's looking at the calendar saying, that announcement's going to be made right before midterms.
This has got to be done right before World Cup because we got to be good.
We can kickstart it back up the moment World Cup is done on July 21st on Monday morning.
I'm going to tweet this out.
You don't think he looks at that?
I think he looks at that.
So yes, I think the people that are with you on cash being a disappointment, if nothing happens at the end of his reign, nothing takes place, possibly the most disappointing FBI director that we had so much hope for.
But be patient for the calendar to see what's coming out.
If he drops, I guarantee you, my opinion, anything Cash is doing is based on the orders of Trump.
It's not the other way around.
Anything he's doing, Tom, do you agree?
Anything he's doing is on the orders of Trump that Trump's going to say, not right now, not right now, not right now.
What do you think?
I absolutely agree, Cash, because the FBI is big.
You know, could the Department of Energy or the Interior, they have a program going on or something?
Don't go mad in.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know what I mean?
They have something going on, yeah.
But Kash Patel, no.
With what's going on with Pam Bande and now Cash, I think anything that Cash is positioning on, he's not out there as a lone wolf.
I agree.
Okay, all right.
Essentially, what you're saying is that Cash has over-promised and under-delivered.
And we'll see what happens with that.
But one thing you cannot accuse Trump of is over-promising and under-delivering.
He's, you know, promises made, promises kept.
The question of cash still remains to be seen.
Yeah, we will see.
We will see.
But so far, underwhelming is an understatement.
An understatement.
And, you know, no one's really interviewed him properly.
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Everyone that's interviewed him since he's been in has been soft.
It's not been like, hey, what happened with this?
And so they're protecting.
I've invited a couple times.
And at one point, we were like, hey, are we going to do this or not?
I want to ask some questions.
Yeah, of course.
He's not being asked the right questions.
Yeah, especially if he's not being asked the right question.
No, by the way, I'm not surprised that they're not doing it.
But if he wants to gain a little bit of that, by the way, you know, certain jobs you have, your role is to take a lot of weapon for the leader of the company.
Yeah.
There are certain.
Oh, I know it, Pat.
No, you definitely don't have that responsibility.
Oh, my God.
But trust me, you don't have that kind of pressure.
But what I mean is in a leadership team, there are some guys that you're the one that's supposed to do the fighting.
You're the one that's supposed to go take the heat.
You're the one that's supposed to get all the humility, all the negative shit that's got to be blamed on you.
Almost some of the stuff that's got to be blamed on you, even though it's not your fault.
The profile of somebody that does that is not everybody's job.
But every administration has to have a handful of people that understand their role.
You can't, you don't interview like that.
Like this movie yesterday I watched with T.Con Dylan.
It's a movie called Hail Mary with Ryan, is it Reynolds?
Not Ryan Reynolds.
Ryan Gosling.
Ryan Gosling.
Did you watch it, Rob, or no?
I've seen the previews.
I haven't seen it.
Freaking amazing movie.
There was no politics in it, nothing.
And there is a scene where they're coming and saying, look, 25% of the world could get killed because of the sun, okay, and what's going on with the sun.
And there's these certain particles that are eating up the sun, and the sun's getting weaker and weaker.
And we need you to help us out.
And Ryan Gosling is a teacher in school.
It's like, what are you talking about?
He said, well, you wrote this paper.
We want you.
There is a scene where it's like, we want you to think about it.
You have three hours to think about whether you want this job or not.
And guess what the job is?
You want to know what the job is, Benny?
You're going to space, okay, to fight this.
So the sun is going to be okay.
But guess what?
Anybody that's getting on that ship, guess what they're telling you?
You're not going to make it.
You're all dying.
So this guy's like, look, man, I'm not qualified.
He says, look, we are counting on you.
We think you can do it.
And first phase is what?
Them trying to tell him that we believe in you.
And then eventually it gets to a point where it's like, can I think about it?
You have three hours.
For three hours, he's walking around and they come back and he says, I made up my mind.
I'm not going.
And they're like, well, you're going.
Too bad you're going guys.
Exactly.
What are you talking about?
You're going.
So they give him a, you know, he's running away.
They catch him.
They put the shot in him.
And guess what?
You're going up there.
Oh, they send him against him.
He wakes up.
He's in the, it's like too late.
We believe you're it.
What's the point?
Sorry, buddy.
Yeah.
Which, by the way, that was a big debate on the drive-back.
Is that the right thing?
One son is saying, oh, you should do it for America.
And the other is saying, no, you should have the last decision.
And it was a great debate in the car.
At the level of the White House, dude, your job is to save the flipping free world.
Guess what jobs you're taking?
Anything and everything.
So maybe FBI director Cash Patois, the fall guy.
I don't know.
Maybe he is.
Maybe he's the punching bat.
Maybe he's the guy that's got to take a lot of the shots.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But all I know is so far the resume for whatever job he has next is not going to be good.
It's not good.
Because if you think about it, the main thing, the main thing to me was when the president said every single one of Biden's auto-penned signatures were null and void.
Full stop.
That means, and you know where I stand with this guy, that means Fauci, that means Fauci is open game.
And what I keep reading every single week, a study just came out where 1.7 million kids, they did a test.
They found that they had myocarditis and pericarditis only appeared in children that were vaccinated because their parents were freaking duped by that freaking rat.
Okay.
And besides turbo cancer and everything else, parents were so brainwashed because of that freaking guy that they jammed this experimental drug into their kids.
And now their kids are going to have heart problems and potentially die by the age of 40.
Think about that.
So if they're biding their time for something like that, we have less than three years.
And I hope to God that they at least go after him.
Him and Alejandro Mallorcas.
Because these are the two main people that have freaking ruined more lives than I think people understand in this freaking country.
So I'm going to wait, Pat, but I'm telling you right now, give it another year.
Because think about it.
You have to investigate.
You have to do it.
You have to press the charges and we have to do it.
Because once a Democrat comes in, guess what's going to happen?
No, you're good.
But again, that's why I'm saying to you, the only idea I have is you're the punching bag.
You're the fall guy.
Probably.
You're the party animal, director of FBI, or you're somebody that really has a lot of stories, but you coming to the president, it goes like this.
So Tom will come to me and we'll go through stuff that we have going on.
And Tom will have a folder, like literally, you may have even seen it.
It will look like this.
Okay?
It'll look like this.
Tom will come and he'll go, okay, Pat, are we ready?
All right, let's go through the first one.
He'll take the thing out.
Here's what we're looking at.
Boom, boom, boom.
All right, second thing.
What do we want to do with this?
It's going to cost this much money.
Do we want to do this?
Third one is this.
And you'll go through it, right?
Do you think there is a, you know, meeting where Cash comes and says, okay, Mr. President, let me tell you what 11 stories I have to go through.
One is this, okay?
I give that a seven.
Okay.
I got a good one for you.
One is this.
Okay, keep that one.
I may need it in two weeks.
Okay, this, do you see that happening?
I do.
Yeah.
Like, I do.
It's like, well, which one do you want to go?
Like, for example, Chauncey Billips, NBA.
All of a sudden, John.
Oh, my God, NBA.
Who gives a shit?
But do you not think like they have like, he probably's got 40 of these stories?
Right.
So you need a little bit of, hey, oh, shit, we got a lot of pressure here.
Drop this one because we need to deflect and we go over here.
These are.
That's what I think Dan Bon.
You know what I think Dan Bongino was?
And I love Dan Bongino.
I think Dan Bongino was put in there to give the illusion of like, yeah, they put one of our guys in.
That's a good job for them.
It was not.
That's what I'm saying.
Dan Bongino, to me, like, what did they do?
What did you do on that?
Vinny, if you became the director of FBI, you wouldn't be able to do the job.
Probably not.
Actually, think about it.
As a Christian man, do you really think you would be able to do the job of being a director of FBI?
Honestly.
No, because I told you I wouldn't be able to be the president.
You wouldn't be able to do that.
No, no, no.
I don't think I'd be able to sign off.
And remember, it's not for everybody.
I agree.
It's not for everybody.
Let me get to the next story.
Let me get to the next story.
Lindsey Graham on Israel00:13:56
Cold-blooded.
Next story I want to get to is, do we cover Carrick Island or Naya Tom?
We've kind of covered it, right?
A little bit.
How about we do this?
Let me go to Vinny's favorite guy.
Rob, can you play that clip by Lindsey Graham, please?
Here's Lindsey Graham.
Guys, not a lot of people do I go to their desk where they have like 40 different pictures of an individual.
Typically, you'll go to Tom's desk.
Like Tom has pictures of some interesting people there, right?
In his office.
Very, very interesting people in his office.
But you go to Vinny's desk.
I don't know if it's 40, maybe it's 50 pictures of Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, some of his favorite people in the world.
Now, the pictures may be upside down or you know, put up in a different thing, and he prays for them.
He prays for them a lot.
Here's Lindsey Graham.
What he said should happen, okay?
And you tell me how you feel about this.
Go ahead, Rob.
Running out of money.
So here's what I tell President Trump.
Keep it up for a few more weeks.
Take Carg Island where all of the resources they have to produce oil.
Control that island.
Let this regime down a vine.
Is this going to though take Carg Island?
Is it going to involve U.S. troops on the ground?
Let me just read you something from the Atlantic does an assessment on that.
They say U.S. troops may well take Carg Island.
We believe in their ability to do so, but only to endure ballistic missile strikes, drone attacks, petrochemical smoke, all without a reliable means of obtaining logistical support.
The result could be a grinding war of attrition.
They talk about how far away they would be from resupply.
I'm sort of tired of all this armchair quarterback, and this has been an amazing military operation.
God bless the fallen.
But it's a difference.
Let me talk about troops on the ground.
I trust the Marines, not that guy.
I trust D.O.D. We got two Marine expeditionary units sailing to this island.
We did Igo Jima.
We can do this.
The Marines, my money is always on the Marines.
I don't know if you take the island or you blockade the island, but I know this.
The day we control that island, this regime, this cherished regime, has been weakened.
It will die on a vine.
And here's what I want to do.
I want to get with Chris.
I want to sprint the peace.
As the war winds down, I want peace to ramp up.
The reason we don't have Saudi Arabia and Israel making peace is October the 7th, 2023, Iran through Hamas attacked Israel, stopping normalization.
I want to take up and complete what Biden started.
As soon as we get Iran defanged so they can never do another October 7th, I want to start up peace talks between Saudi and Israel this year.
I want a peace deal between Saudi and Israel, normalizing, ending the Arab-Israeli conflict.
I mean, if tell me he is not the biggest bloodthirsty cheerleader right now, just FYI for people.
In the Battle of Iwo Jima, Tom, do you know how many Marines we lost?
6,000 approximately.
6,800 Marines.
Almost 7,000.
Almost 7,000 Marines and over 20,000 were injured.
By the way, when you talk about the, like, this is the problem, Pat, with everything that's happening with the war and Israel and this and that, these are the type of people that they should just tell as an administration, shut up.
Like what I said about when Israel, like, you know, with Israel, not Israel, just Rabbi Shmuly, he should never speak about anything about Israel.
It turns people off and it makes people hate you.
Okay, this is the same thing.
I condone that.
Oh, he's the worst.
By the way, Lindsey Graham is the same guy that said, I'm going to go back to South Carolina and I'm asking them to send their sons and daughters to the Middle East.
Of course, because it's not his kids, okay?
And when talking about Gaza, he said, and I quote, just flatten it.
We flatten Berlin.
We flatten Tokyo.
We flatten Germany.
We flatten Japan.
That tells you everything you need to know about this guy.
Okay.
He has no kids.
He's pleading for everybody else's sons and daughters to go out there to die.
And I think that's when people need to stop and think.
Okay.
By the way, Pat, you know, he bragged.
There's a video, Rob.
He bribed.
He's like, I go to Israel every two weeks.
I'm there every two weeks whether I need to be or not.
And a Wall Street Journal had a report that came out that said he was in the president's ear for weeks.
And this is how he knows how to work Trump.
He was talking about legacy and how Roosevelt was remembered.
Okay, you have to think about that.
And then he was coaching apparently in this article on BB on how to speak to the president about pushing this type of stuff.
I do not like Lindsey Graham as one of these war-hungry war hawks.
And I don't like the fact that he's that close.
He's on Air Force One, whispering in the president's ear, always pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing.
He has no children, okay?
If anybody is going to die, it's not going to be yours.
None of your blood is going to be spilled out there.
And I'm disgusted with Lindsey Graham, Pat.
I don't like this guy at all.
I listened very closely to what he was saying.
I agree with you.
I don't want boots on the ground.
He does.
Iran is not Venezuela.
They weren't going to get in and out, but I wanted in and out as much as possible.
And I'm not happy about this additional 200 billion.
I'm not happy about where it is, but we got to finish it.
And we can't make a reverse extraction here and have it be ham-handed.
Lindsey Graham was talking about, I was listening to it because he gets the security briefings.
Did you hear what he said?
Two Marine Corps Expeditionary Forces says, I'll tell you where they are.
The 31st Marine Corps Expeditionary Force is on the USS Tripoli.
The 11th Marine Corps Expeditionary Force is on the USS Boxer that left San Diego last week and is halfway to the theater of operations.
And I believe that this deadline that got extended gives time for the Tripoli to get in position to go and it gets positioned for the boxer to be just days behind it.
Now then, that first clip that they were showing on there on the news, what it was written there, they were saying you can't do this, this, this, and you don't have support and you won't have this.
You know why that's wrong?
Because that's exactly what the Tripoli is going to do.
It's exactly what it's supposed to do.
And, you know, that's not what I want.
You know, I really don't want it.
I want them to be able to back off.
Will the presence of the Tripoli make it so that they'll be like, okay, if they take Carg Island, it cuts off all of our money.
This is really, really bad.
Adam.
But I'm not with Lindsey Graham.
I don't mind it.
Really?
Why don't I not mind it?
Because it's not just him saying this.
There's other Iran hawks who understand what it's like to be Iran.
You can put at the top of that list, Lindsey Graham, but right next to him, you could put Marco Rubio, who I believe is the frontrunner for 2028.
You could also put Ted Cruz in there.
Obviously, John Bolton.
We know where he stands.
But then you have the Iran Dubs, right?
You have this Joe Kent guy who just came up out of nowhere.
You have the Chuck Schumers of the world, allegedly Tulsi, Tucker Camp.
So what I know about Trump is this.
He believes in a team of rivals.
Don't you think so, Pat?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Absolutely.
So, like, let's just give an example.
Ready?
You want to do the big event for the vault?
You're not going to reveal anything.
Yes.
Tom has one, obviously, party he'd like to do.
Yeah.
I have a different party that I would recommend.
Vinny doesn't drink, doesn't want to party.
We're all telling you guys.
That would be sick.
I know, but I'm not.
I'm not.
Yeah, yeah, I get that.
Let's see if you can.
You know which one Tom would pick.
Yeah.
You know which one I would pick.
Yeah.
You know which one maybe Vinny would pick.
Tom wants Wayne Newton's house.
I'll put that out.
Of course.
Of course.
I want to go to the Playboy Mansion.
We all get it.
But then you say, what do you think?
What do you think?
What do you think?
Like you always do.
And we all give you our opinion.
But then when I go, you know what, Pat?
I'm actually with Tom on this one.
You go, oh, didn't see that one coming.
I go, yeah, I actually can see one.
Why that would be a better event.
What you're doing is filter out all the different opinions.
You don't think that Trump knows that Lindsey Graham's pretty aggressive?
You also don't think that he knows that someone like Tulsi Gabbard is sort of dovish on Iran?
He wants all perspectives.
So Lindsey Graham is playing his role as the aggressive war hawk.
I get it.
You know, bad metaphor with Iwo Jima.
I get it.
But at the same time, he's willing to hear all different sort of opinions.
I'm giving credit to the president.
Yes.
But do you think it's right?
Do you think no, Vinny?
Well, I'm just saying I just felt like yelling at you.
I'm just saying, what was your initial thing that you said?
You should have listened harder, boy.
No, no, you didn't.
It doesn't bother you that he's sick.
It doesn't bother me because that's who he is.
A leper doesn't change his strike.
He's been an Iran hawk.
He's not going to stop being Iran Hawk.
And now that we have our foot on their neck, you think he's going to be soft on Iran?
No, no, but does it bother you that this guy brags about going to Israel all the time?
It talks to another leader of another country of how to persuade our president, tries to persuade our president by saying, hey, what would Roosevelt do to try?
And then now he's saying, hey, boots on the ground, send the troops.
And guess what?
I pray for the fallen, but Adam, do you think he gives a damn if we lose 10,000 American soldiers?
Because I don't like to think that a sitting senator would mind if we lost 10,000 people.
Look at me.
I don't think he's.
Okay.
Well, that's Europe.
I don't think that.
By the way, the people of South Carolina that know him for the last 30 years that he's been in Congress will probably have a different say on that.
Oh, he's asking South Carolinians to send their sons and daughters.
But why do they keep voting for him?
They know him a little bit better than us.
Well, I don't know.
I think we're being a little hyperbolic.
Let me ask you a question, though.
Like, do you think he's America first or Israel first?
Honestly.
What?
Lindsey Graham.
Okay, Vinny, do me a favor.
Yeah, I'm just asking you.
Lindsey Graham is an American senator.
Tell me what that even means.
What do you mean?
Why would Lindsey Graham be Israel first?
He loves me.
Generally, explain that to me.
I'm not being an ass.
Adam, he flies there every two weeks, whether he has to or not.
He's pushing for wars.
He's very, very pro-Israel.
I hear more about Israel than I took in regard to him than America.
Do you remember the hurricane that happened?
There was a hurricane.
I forgot the name of a pat.
Do you remember what he said?
He came on on camera and he was like, hey, I know that people, we lost like 49 people.
Rob, you have that clip?
Yep.
Look, this is America.
49 Americans just died.
Look at what Lindsey Graham says.
But look.
You know, I've been going all over South Carolina like most people hadn't slept much.
But look what's going on in Israel.
Our friends in Israel surrounded by people that want to kill them, destroy them.
A second Holocaust in the making.
And Biden says, be proportional.
This is during the United States hurricane that just happened.
He goes, hey, I know.
Americans are dead.
But Israel is right now.
Come on, bro.
Okay, come on.
Let me just say this.
If the people of South Carolina felt the way that you felt, they would have voted him out 10 times over.
Why do they keep voting for him?
When's the last time?
Maybe they know him.
When's the last time you did?
It's every four years, Vinny.
Okay, so guess what?
Sorry, every senator is every six years?
Anyway, the next question is, what does that even mean, Israel first or America first?
He's born and raised in America.
He's American.
You can be two things at once.
Who do you love more?
Your mom or your brother?
I love them equally.
Bingo.
Yeah.
So you can do a couple different things at once.
Pat, who do you love more?
The people of America or the people of Iran?
You love them both.
The point is, no, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Am I America first?
Am I Israel first?
America to me is like my mom, and Israel is like my grandma.
If I had to choose, I'm going to pick my mom.
But that doesn't mean I don't love my grandma.
This whole like elementary, are you America first?
Are you America first or Israel first?
You're able to do a couple of different things here.
Follow it?
Sorry, grandma.
Oh, my God.
I love my grandma.
When you take that angle, I mean, you create, like, right now, you know what's going to happen with mom and brother.
Oh, they're all, they're a lot.
He didn't realize that's it.
We just lost his mom to watch.
He was supposed to be mom.
Listen, Vic, you've been a great time, buddy.
They're about to get here.
Hang on, Wemmy.
I don't want to put you on the spot.
Are you America first or are you Iran first?
Or are you able to do both?
No, I can't do both.
I am America first.
Period.
Bingo.
Okay, so what?
I'm not even kidding.
Are you Iran second?
I don't even think that way.
Yeah, you can't.
I don't even think that way.
Let me tell you what I'm for.
Like, I've never answered this question, but I will comfortably say nothing is above America and it's not even close.
I agree with you.
When I tell you, it's not even close.
It's not even close.
Now, there's four places that have a place in my heart.
I'm Armenia.
My mother's Armenian, okay?
She's officially in Florida, which is very exciting.
Finally, finally, she moved here.
She's in Florida.
We're happy to have her here.
It was great going and seeing her the other day and they landed at 2 a.m. in the morning.
It's the first time where everybody is now officially within a half a mile radius.
We've never had this in our entire life.
The last time the entire family lived within a half a mile of each other was 1989 when we lived in the same house in Iran.
This has never happened.
So it has happened like this for a while.
So Armenian, Assyrian, my dad, I'm a very proud son of Gabriel Bedavid.
I admire him.
I love him.
I want to make sure.
So I have a very close pride in the Assyrian community.
I was born and raised in Iran.
And the Iranian people are some of the most incredible people in the world.
I love them.
They're fantastic.
But the greatest country in the world that gave me the greatest gifts I have is America, period.
And it ain't even close.
When I tell you, it ain't even close.
It ain't even close.
Now, this doesn't mean anything with Lindsey Graham and your breakdown the way when you went through it.
You know, I don't know if I subscribe to that.
I don't subscribe to that.
To me, it's very different.
But the part that you made a very good point, Adam, is the following.
This is what I love about it.
You know how hard it is to lead a team of rivals?
You know how hard it is to lead a team of rivals.
And knowing what people are going to say, Tom, and who they're going to be siding with and where they're going to be at, it is so hard to do that.
So hard to do that, to lead a team of rivals.
And that's what he's doing.
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But I want to get to the next story here.
Folks, if you're traveling, if you're traveling and you're at the airport, things are not looking good.
Rob, if you want to play some of these clips, we got a couple clips to go through.
So TSA, I don't know how many videos I saw.
Vinny, did you see some of these videos?
I know you retweeted one of them.
Are you kidding me?
You look at these videos and it almost doesn't look real.
They're walking all, I saw one, the guy's walking all the way down.
Three-hour wait at TSA.
In the basement.
They travel.
Three-hour wait at the TSA.
Tom, you went to the airport this morning.
You were there at 3.45 in the morning, okay?
To drop off your daughter.
What was it like when you guys got there this morning?
This is, by the way, you know, Middle Eastern fathers, we can have a 30-minute flight from Burbank to Vegas.
My dad wants to get there six hours before.
If you're Middle Eastern, you know what I'm talking about.
Dad, the flight's at two.
Let's get there 6 a.m.
We have plenty of time.
We'll get there at 145.
No, we'll get there at 6 a.m.
So you got there at 3.45.
What was the airport like this morning?
Yeah, spring breaks over for Bailey.
Back to classes today.
So she wanted to be on the first flight, the early flight, for two reasons.
One, she gets there early enough for class.
But second, we were kind of worried about this.
So we got to Fort Lauderdale, to the Southwest Terminal at 3.45.
Why?
Because TSA opens at 4 a.m.
And then she had like a 5.30 flight.
So she wanted plenty of time to be first in line.
We pull up to the curb and you've been there, right?
We've all been to Fort Lauderdale.
The cars were too deep.
You know what I'm saying?
Two cars deep.
Stop side by side.
You know what I'm saying?
We're at the curb, unloading people and everything.
And I'm like, oh my goodness, look at the crowd.
And so we get her out.
Kim weaves into the curb.
I get her out.
I walk through the double doors with her so I could look inside.
And I'm like, oh boy, I said, Bailey, call us and let us know.
If you get stuck and you don't make the flight, you know, call us.
We'll loop around and get you.
We'll come back.
But it was huge.
And she texted us and let us know.
TSA didn't get open until 4.15.
Then TSA pre-checked, you know, got open after that.
And she got through and she made her flight, but she says, I was looking back, dad, and there were people.
I know they didn't make it.
I know they didn't make it because the number of people that were there.
And that was just, by the way, that's the first flight and the first people that were at Fort Lauderdale airport today.
The first.
Can you imagine what it's like right now?
Malt with the whole airport open and it's not just the first flights leaving, flights are coming in, going out.
I just can't imagine what it's like right now.
And this is, you know, thank you, Elon Musk, and other people who are offering to help and doing things.
But I'll tell you, Pat, I've never seen it like that.
Do you know how much of, you know, how, I don't think people understand how much of a problem and how much of a soft target this opens up, Tom?
That's, these are crowded, crowded airports.
They don't have the freaking security.
TSA, by the way, the PSA people that are showing up, Tom, they're not getting a paycheck.
They're coming just because of the goodness of their freaking hearts.
And I want everybody to understand this.
Everybody, wherever you are listening to this, take a second and understand this is what happens when Democrats care more about power than your life in this country.
Okay, we keep talking about America and America first.
They don't give a damn.
Okay.
They don't want to approve the Save America Act.
You know why?
Because it's going to help illegals vote.
They need these illegals to vote in elections to keep the power full stop.
Okay.
We just want people to prove that they're citizens.
And the Democrats said, oh, really?
Guess what?
Shut it down.
Shut it down.
And anybody telling you otherwise is full of you-know-what.
Okay.
Thank God Elon Musk is at least offering to pay this TSA agents.
But Tom, would you feel safe?
Like, I get it.
My mom's, my mom and my sister are coming here on Wednesday.
I don't feel safe for these people.
There's packed.
It's packed with people.
It takes one person to just creep in there and do something stupid.
Yeah, that's it.
I agree with that because these crowds were waiting for the baggage drop at Southwest.
They're waiting for the kiosks at Southwest.
And then they're also waiting for the TSA.
And so if I was some loon walking in, man, it is a mass casualty environment because there's no security out there.
There are cops out there that are more worried about all these vehicles that are stopping at the curb.
Hey, if you've dropped your person, get out of here.
You know what I'm saying?
They're trying to keep the traffic moving.
But that is not just a soft target, that's a juicy target.
It's terrible.
I would hate to see something like that.
But this is what you have now.
And at least they've said, hey, ICE is going to come and they're going to do some of the crowd control and some things like this to help.
But you know what?
We need that the shutdown to be over.
And I saw a tweet.
I'm not going to repeat it, but I am going to say the name.
It was AOC.
There was a tweet that was attributed to her from a year ago.
And if the treat was true, her sentiments were very clear that she was pleased that the American people need this pain so they could be broken for their side.
And so if that's really what her position was, that disgusts me.
Yeah, Rob, while you're finding that, can you do me a favor?
So today, this morning, right now, at ATL, you know how long the line is right now?
At ATL, allegedly, based on what these reports are coming in?
Six hours.
Six hours.
Rob, is this ATL?
Yes, sir.
Go forward.
Watch this.
Number one busiest airport, I think, now.
Look at this, Vinny.
This is the TSA line is at the baggage claims is where it's going to now.
They're like, hey, just line up because they have to get that going.
Go to the other one.
I sent you one from one hour ago.
I sent you one from literally one hour ago.
Not this one.
The other one, that's the one right there.
Watch this one.
Go ahead.
Vinny.
Outside of ATL.
Oh, my God.
Pat, one machine, one person.
That's all it takes.
This is the Democrat Party.
This is it.
You're in the line that is outside going in, then goes around baggage claim, then goes around.
Oh, my God.
So, anyways, that's pretty nasty.
Adam, your thoughts?
It's ugly, man.
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It is.
At the end of the day, it comes down to one question.
How long is somebody willing to work for free?
Because these people aren't getting paid, right?
Nope.
Whether it's the staff, whether it's the airport, it's the TSA, it's security.
So at what point are you going to be like, yeah, dude, I don't know what's going to happen here?
Because here's how I think it works.
You know, some people start saying, yeah, hey, I'm not feeling so good.
I'm calling out sick.
I'm going to take my two-week vacation now.
All right.
And then the loyal people were like, man, this is my job.
I've been doing this 20 years.
It's all I know.
All right.
I'm staying, man.
I'm going to stay at the job.
Or two weeks, three weeks.
At what point is someone like, dude, no.
And then the boss is like, I'm telling you, it's happening soon.
Stay.
Don't leave.
All right.
Are they going to get back pay?
I assume they're going to get back pay, right?
I don't know.
That's going to happen, right, Tom?
I don't know how.
There's going to be back pay?
I believe there's a back pay.
Well, you know, they say payback's a...
Yeah.
So let's see what happens there.
But you know what I think is going to happen?
What?
I think the Elon Musks of the world, who are basically saying that they're going to pay back pay or whatever it is, all the chat GPTs, all the AI people are going to look and say, it's our perfect opening, guys.
Why do we need people doing security?
Let's just make more AI, make more robots.
They're not going to call out sick.
They're not going to worry about back pay.
So this might end up biting these people, you know, our TSA workers and our employees, end up biting them in the butt, so to speak, because they're going to come up with ways to basically outmaneuver humans having to be the security party.
But think of the message that the Democratic Party is saying to the American people.
They're saying we are going to fight to have the elections be able, like, we don't want people to prove that they belong in the country.
That's impassive, though.
That is red.
Because guess what?
You think the president's going to budge, Pat?
You think the president's going to budge for them?
This is it.
What is even more issue with it?
Because DHS has not been funded.
Is that what this comes down to?
Partially shut down because it's a very important thing.
Okay, and DHS is TSA, ICE, immigration, all these things, you know, a sort of catch-all umbrella.
And what are they exactly arguing about in Congress right now?
The main argument, Adam, the main one, don't let people try to fool you, is we want, they are saying we want you to prove that you are a citizen.
Remember that debate that was going on?
But if I was married, they played that whole game.
You're saying this is part of the Save Act?
Part of the Save America Act has the major to do with this because the voting.
It's all Adam.
At the end of the day.
So they're telling the voting to, and what do the Democrats want to do?
They don't want you to, what do you mean?
Go look at it.
I know that they want everybody to be able to vote and not prove your citizenship.
Full stop.
That is it.
And this is what they're going to make people suffer.
I don't think that's been, Adam, on that point, is that what you're asking?
I don't think that's a good question.
Is that what the core crux is through?
Is the DHS not being funded because of the Save Act?
Yes, this is the whole thing.
It's a combination of things, but it's the time-honored tradition that Chuck Schumer is have of create a shutdown and blame the other guy and then let issues happen to this department, that department.
American people can't go to the national parks because they're closed and then blame the administration.
That has been Chuck Schumer's tactic.
And I'm not making, I am not hyperbolic here.
You go back and look.
That has very carefully been his tactic going back to the first Trump administration where they actually argued about it in the Oval Office where Trump said, I'll take it, Trump.
Exactly.
I'll take it, Chuck.
Make that me.
And there are Democrats that are now coming out against Schumer saying, look, this guy is long in the tooth and we can't have this because they're concerned about it.
They don't want that.
Well, that was what you said here.
I interviewed President Trump.
You said that was your favorite part of his administration, the reality TV thing.
Yeah.
Is that sort of a correlation of what's going on?
We don't know.
I mean, this is Chuck Schumer here.
If you want to see what he's saying, go ahead, Rob.
And by the way, there's a lot of people that want him out.
A lot of people that want him out.
Go for it.
Want the chaos at our airports to come down?
Yes or no?
If you've had enough of long lines, if you want TSA workers to get paid, then vote yes on the motion I am bringing before the Senate today.
It is unacceptable for workers and travelers in entire airports to get taken hostage in political games.
By you.
That's what the Republicans are doing.
It is unacceptable to say we will only pay TSA workers if it is attached to a bill that funds ICE with no reforms.
But that's what the Republicans have been doing.
Democrats want to pay TSA workers ASAP with no strings attached.
A yes vote would do that.
That's the first time in this chamber we'll have an opportunity to vote yes or no on whether you want to pay TSA workers ASAP strings.
Are you listening?
Is everybody out there listening to what he's saying?
They don't want ICE to get funded because he wants reform.
They're again sticking up for illegals.
ICE's job is to get rid of illegal aliens and the fact that they're not and that he's fighting for them to be able to vote in the election.
It's so blatantly obvious what this freaking guy is doing, just like this guy too, freaking Hakeem Jeffries.
I want people to understand the because they have no policies, because they have no actual leaders, they have to rely on illegal votes.
Plain and simple, if you don't see it, you're freaking blind.
That is it.
If you're standing in a line right now at an airport and you're freaking pissed off, it's because of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.
It's because of these people.
It's because of the AOCs.
Plain and simple.
There's no like smoke and mirrors around it.
That's what it is, Adam.
It sounds like it's crazy, but that's all it is.
There's a large percentage of the country that has TDS.
Oh, my God.
And they're going to blame it on Trump or something.
Of course they are.
I know that you think this is obviously all on the Dems, and I totally get that.
But there's going to be people waiting in line.
They're going to be like, thanks, Trump.
No, it's not.
Because half these people don't even know who Chuck Schumer is.
Yeah, well, it's not Trump because Trump's not going to...
But they're going to think that.
Yeah.
But the core of the argument is correct.
If you don't have a platform that you can sell, and this is a point that Pat's made many times, if you don't have a platform that you can sell to the voters, and the Dems don't, they're not buying what you're selling, then you need mob rule and more mob just to blindly vote.
So if you can't sell the independents that are there, then you just need a bigger mob on the other side to blindly vote.
And that's what illegal immigration does.
Yeah.
I mean, look, the reality of it is, this is the folks that are traveling today going to airports.
Man, it's a terrible time to be.
This is 38 days of shutdown.
How long do you think this lasts, Pat?
FYI, United Airlines just announced that they're decreasing their amount of flights.
And some people are saying some airports may shut down during this time.
Oh, wow.
And this is actual, it's gotten to that point.
I don't know if there's a story that says that, Rob, but I read it somewhere that some airports are planning on fully shutting down and saying until we get it together.
Can you imagine if all of a sudden there's no travel?
Some smaller airports are saying this is not sustainable.
This is not sustainable.
Rob, do you have that?
Is it a story or a clip that we have?
I have a clip, 47.
Hang on.
While he's looking it up, the airports would only be open for emergency landings only and emergency medical service like medevac transports.
Go ahead, Rob.
But all the regular flights would be nope.
Go ahead, Rob.
We're doing absolutely everything we can.
We have a national deployment office force, and we've fully depleted that.
So at this point, we're fully stretched.
And so, frankly, there's not much else we can do.
As the weeks continue, if this continues, it's not hyperbole to suggest that we may have to quite literally shut down airports, particularly smaller ones, if call-out rates go up and we can't, a lot of these officers can't afford to come in.
I talked to one officer this week.
She's a single mother, and she has a special needs child, and she can't afford to pay for her special needs child's child care.
So, again, I believe it's frankly unconscionable that we have Senate Democrats that are playing, you know, they're holding our folks' financial livelihood hostage over political games, political partisanship.
So, we really need to get back to normal order.
Well, don't you think this is going to be, you know, if you look at the capitalism, that this is going to be opening up other options in the marketplace that people are going to do, whether it's planes, trains, automobiles, people are going to find a way to go where they want to go.
Obviously, you know, listen, there's worse things than waiting a couple extra hours in the airport.
Nobody wants to do that.
I'm not condoning this.
I'm not saying this is good at all.
But if you need to get from Florida to Atlanta, all right, so maybe you take a train, maybe you take a bus, maybe you're driving.
I get it.
Nobody wants to do that, or you get to the airport a couple hours early.
It all sucks, but people are going to still maneuver and basically strategize to do what basically fits their life.
It's a disruption to lifestyle.
Of course, I get it.
You want me to take a Greyhound from New York to LA?
It's three days.
I get it.
Two and a half days.
No, no, that's something that.
But in those instances, you're going to fly and you're going to go to the airport three hours earlier.
Maybe you're taking a flight from Miami to Orlando.
Maybe you just drive or take the long line at TSA.
People are missing flights.
They're getting all the way up there and they miss the flight.
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They've paid money for that.
They got to get back to school.
They have a business trip.
They're a salesperson.
They have to go see an account.
People are spending not just the inconvenience, they're not getting there.
And ready for this?
You know how many times I've traveled?
How many times I've traveled, Adam, where I've been on an airplane with somebody that's medically transporting an organ for someone that needs a surgery on the opposite side of the nation?
And they come on the flight, they bring the heart on ice.
They get on the plane.
They go, Pete, like this.
Well, let's get that guy first.
Well, no, they don't.
Okay, Adam, you're going to bring up the most absurd bringing organs on the plane.
That guy's missing a flight.
That guy can go first.
That guy's missing a flight, and this all is a party that has nothing left.
They have nothing.
I'm not defending.
No, I know you're not at all.
I'm not saying you are.
I'm just saying.
I'm not saying you want to.
This isn't like the end of the world.
No, it's not the end of the world, but Adam, it's not going to stop because the president's not going to stop.
He's not going to give in, and he shouldn't.
But this is, again, I want everybody to understand who the hell is doing it.
It's your freaking beloved Democratic Party.
They'd rather burn it all down.
Adam, they'd rather burn it all down than take away the votes from an illegal alien.
I'm with you.
Period.
I'm with you.
Period.
Capital.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go to the next story.
Story I want to go to, Rob, is Massachusetts loses billions in income taxes after the millionaire tax.
So it's page 20.
I don't know if you got a clip on it.
I do.
You do.
So let me go to the next one.
There should be a chart with it, right?
Yeah, there should be, Rob, if you want to pull that up.
Residents exiting Massachusetts took a net of $4.2 billion in adjusTedros income with them in 2023, one of the largest totals in the country.
After tax on millionaires took effect, the amount was an 8% year-over-year increase, according to Internal Revenue Service IRS data, that even as the total number of taxpayers leaving the state slowed, this was the first year that residents were subject to a 4% sure tax, surtax on incomes over $1 million.
After voters approved the levy in 2022 to fund schools and transportation, several Democrats led states that have since approved or are still considering similar tax on top earners, partly as a way to make up or for federal funding.
What a ridiculous plan that they have here.
Supporters of the Massachusetts measure heal the more than $6 billion in revenue it's brought to the state's coffers.
Critics warned that it's driving away entrepreneurs, even if Massachusetts lacks the high-profile departure seen in California, which is Wayne A. Wall tax, or Washington, which enacted a millionaire tax earlier this month.
This is from Bloomberg, Tom.
So look at this chart.
And there's a chart up for the viewers, Rob.
Yep.
Okay.
So you see what happened, Pat, look at this.
2020, 21, 22.
That's COVID.
The first big year after COVID, where everything was returning with the big bounce on stock market was 2023.
We all learned how to pronounce NVIDIA in 2023.
All the people that didn't already know about it.
And there's the first year of the millionaire.
By the way, do you notice what Massachusetts has refused to do?
They won't report 2024.
It's worse.
It's worse.
Bloomberg only has a data bid 2023.
We're waiting for Massachusetts to actually talk about 2024.
It's even worse.
And this goes to show you you can only tax other people's money while those other people still have money or they still live in your state and you can take their money.
And Massachusetts is seeing that.
This is a case study.
Just like Greece was a case study in what happens.
This goes back 17 years ago, the austerity programs.
Remember that, Pat?
Where all the people rioted because they were told you have to retire three years later, four years later, five years later, and you're going to get less benefits when you do.
And they said, why?
Because we're Greece.
We're broke.
And then all those austerity riots broke out.
People were burning cars and stuff like that.
And people didn't want to look at that case study and say, really, could what happened in Greece?
Could it happen in Italy?
Could that happen in Portugal?
Could it happen in Spain?
Sure, it could.
Now, this is the case study.
This is what it's going to look like in California.
And you know what?
This, you know, these shortfaults are going to come from?
They're going to come from the American taxpayer.
Because if they get a blue president in place, that blue president is going to tax the rest of us or just run the deficit and send the money back there.
Or the states are going to have to issue more bonds.
But the question is, who's going to buy those bonds?
This is a case study in the FAFO.
Adam.
Wow.
I'm just trying to think of the best analogy here because we understand what happens when you tax the rich.
They're just going to get the hell out of there.
But I mean, look around us.
We have all these great people that work in this company.
And some people are better than others.
You know, when we did the Ritz-Carlton training, Pat, what was it called?
You have the three different levels.
You have the people who are the average guys.
Constantly against virtual thing.
So essentially what they're doing in these states, whether it's Massachusetts, whether it's New York, whether it's California, whether it's Washington, all these big blue states, we love the big blue states.
They're basically saying to their best, hardest workers, we're going to need you to work harder.
We're going to work longer hours, but we're not going to pay you anymore.
And then these people are like, all right, man.
Like, I like living here.
I like working here, but all right, I'll do it.
How long is that going to last?
So when they see people making the exact same amount of them, average marginal workers, the caves, as you call them, constantly against virtually everything, and they're just basically getting in at nine and leaving at the 459 club, where these guys make the exact same amount are working from nine to nine.
And they're working 12-hour days for the same pay.
They're like, dude, I'm your best worker and this is how you're treating me.
You know what, Pat?
I'm out of here.
And they go find another job at another company at another state.
And now you're left with who?
The crappy workers because you're pushing the people who work the best and the hardest out of there.
And they're saying, I want to be here.
I love this company.
I love this state.
But man, you're making it hard for me.
And you know what?
Peace.
I'm out of here.
And that's essentially the analogy.
If you look at the Massachusetts thing, there's a thing that's like a, what are those traps they would make?
You know, they would put the bamboo traps in the jungle and they traps lights on the leaves over it and you would walk in and you fell in the hole.
Well, guess what's happening?
Everybody gets to be rich in Massachusetts.
Here's how.
This year, 10 millionaires, we're going to text you.
Next year, oh, you're just a 5 millionaire, now you're rich.
A couple of years later, oh, you're a 1 millionaire, you're rich.
Wait till it gets down to say, oh, you inherited your parents' house and you're a 750,000.
You have, you're rich.
Be careful about these taxes because guess what?
Step by step by step by step, everybody who's been responsible, everybody that's built jobs, everybody's built a company, everybody's built value, those producers all get declared rich and sequential.
And it all starts with one thing.
It's so unfair for you.
Let's tax the rich.
And then one day they come for you and they say, no, you're rich.
And now I'm here for you.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Yeah.
I only made $750,000.
Yeah.
By the way, Tom, the AGI net flow that we're talking about, I went here to see it.
They haven't reported it for any other state in 24 and 25 based on how the IRS reports.
So I'm kind of looking at that to see what it is.
What is showing when you look at which states are the biggest winners of gaining the most people and losing the most people?
Gain.
Number one, this is a trend of 24 to 25.
Number one state with the biggest gains of people moving there is Florida.
Really?
Florida?
Number two is Texas.
Three is Carolina.
North.
Four is South Carolina.
So both of them are gaining.
Five is Tennessee.
Then Arizona, why they're moving.
Lower taxes is number one.
Business-friendly environments.
Warm climate housing.
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Biggest losers of losing people?
Guess what's number one?
California.
Number two is New York.
Three is Illinois.
What's number four?
Massachusetts.
That's right.
And then it's Jersey.
Why they're losing, leaving, high taxes, cost of living, remote work flexibility, regulatory environments.
I mean, when you look at this stuff and you realize, listen, bad policies have consequences.
And by the way, it gets to this point.
So at least when you're a Democrat, Republican, whatever you are, independent, Libertarian, guess what area we don't care where you are politically?
Sports.
You want your team to win, right?
I was looking at, you know what I was looking at yesterday, Rob?
The dumbest part.
I went on ESPN.com and I went on standings.
And then when I went on standings, Vinny, I could not believe, just go to NBA first at the top.
Yeah, and then go to standings.
They're right there.
I'll tell you.
And look what I was looking at.
Zoom in a little bit.
Zoom in.
Can you zoom in or it doesn't let you?
Okay, look at this.
Go to PPG and opponent in PPG.
Do you see it?
Vinny, do you see Detroit Pistons are averaging 117 points a game in the world?
The defense is giving up 109.
Look at the best defense.
Keep going down.
You saw 107 is Celtics.
Oklahoma is 107.5.
Keep going down.
Keep going down.
Do you realize the best defense in the NBA, NBA, gives up 107 points?
What a horrible product.
Horrible.
What a horrible product it is, right?
But if there's one thing that we all agree with, that's what?
It's sports.
Like, hey, man, we want to win.
Well, guess what?
Seahawks GM comes out and says, listen, guys, you know, he's warning Washington's new millionaire tax could hurt free agency recruiting.
The guy's like, I want to bring, I get judged based on bringing in talent.
I'm talking to these talent, and they don't want to come because the new taxes.
Imagine his problem.
So now somebody could sit down and say, look, the Democrats don't want the Seahawks to win a championship.
Think about that.
The Democrats are not fans of the Seahawks.
And the Seahawks have won in the last decade or so when they had Wilson and, you know, a couple nice, Marshawn Lynch, a nice defense.
So Seattle Seahawks GM, John Schneider, highlighted a recent division by Washington state lawmakers that he believes could pose problems as a reigning Super Bowl champion, look to add players to sustain long-term success.
Washington's long-standing status as largely tax-free state is set to change in 28 after lawmakers approved a millionaire tax that would levy a 9.9% rate on high earners.
The tax will apply to individuals earning more than a million dollars annually.
Governor Bob Ferguson has indicated he will sign the bill.
It is unclear whether the legislation will face legal challenges.
Schneider projected the new tax deduction could hinder the Seahawks' ability to recruit and ultimately sign free agents.
Schneider suggested that part of the team's pitch to free agents over the year has highlighted Washington's tax exemption.
So I'm recruiting you saying, hey, come over here.
We have an exemption.
We come over here.
We're one of the states that has an exemption.
There was a bunch of agents texting me the other day like, hey, can't use that anymore, buddy, Schneider said.
So you know like agents are saying?
I don't know if you know what he's saying, Tom.
The agent's saying, hey, guy, you can't.
He's like, hey, John, why don't you bring Larry here?
Because we don't have to.
He's like, no, you can't use that anymore because it's no longer working.
My player doesn't care about going there anymore.
They're caring about the fact there's no taxes.
Tom, your thoughts on this.
So, yes, I looked up on this story.
I looked up what is in baseball.
I started with baseball.
I said, what is the worst division in baseball for the jock tax?
Because remember, it's not just where your home team is, it's where you play the most of your games because you get taxed there.
You know what the worst division in baseball for jock tax is?
It's not the American League East where you play in New York and you play in Baltimore and you play in Boston.
It's the National League West because you have to play San Diego, San Francisco, and the Dodgers all in the same.
And you have 81 home games if you're a Dodger giant or Padre.
That is.
And so everybody was paying attention.
Now, full disclosure, everybody knows I'm a Dodger fan.
What?
But this is part of what the Dodgers' salary task force was about.
And so you criticized the deferred contract for Otani.
You criticize what they've done with other players.
But guess what?
Part of it they were fighting was exactly this issue, but in baseball.
How do we get players to be here?
How do we win the game for the big free agents when this is literally the highest tax, worst division in baseball to be in for the jock tax?
And now, guess what?
The Seattle Seahawks GM is saying now it's coming, now it's coming here.
And so your home games are going to get taxed.
And then Seattle, who else do you play?
You play San Diego, which is now L.A.
No, no, no.
Seattle plays San Francisco.
And then they play Arizona.
And who else they play in that division?
They play the Rams, the Rams.
So they have to play.
So you get taxed at home in Washington, and then you got to go to California on the jock tax to play the Rams and the Niners.
So guess what?
It's quite possible that the national NFC West could be the worst jock tax.
This is horrible.
This is unintended consequences.
You're putting your teams under pressure.
So now the politicians are, you know, wow, what are you going to do?
Now your fans are like, wait, so now my politics affects my favorite team?
I actually love that.
I actually love that because, you know, you would be amazed how much a sports team losing can flip your people politically, even if it's 0.2%.
I'm being serious with you.
I would literally be sitting there and say, guys, do you want to win or do you want to lose?
We almost had XYZ quarterback that was going to come to us.
You guys wanted him.
You know why he didn't come to us?
We offered $20 million more, but he still chose to go with XYZ Tom.
And the reason why I chose to go with XYZ is why?
Taxes.
Because the $20 million he was going to get 10% in taxes on the $200 million was $20 million.
What do you want me to do?
What else do you want me to do?
This is how you're voting.
It's not, I can't do anything about it.
What do you want me to do next?
So I actually fully get what's going on.
And I get what's going on.
I think some of the teams that have no state today, I would be recruiting like you wouldn't believe.
You actually have an argument.
I would sit down and I'm sure they do put down a presentation to say, let's just say you're going to make in the peak seven years of your career, put 20 million a year, seven years is what?
140 million bucks.
Let me tell you, if you play at such and such state versus ours over here, you will save 13.3% of that $140 million.
$140 million at 13.3% is what?
$13,260, $2.6.
Say $16 plus million dollars.
$16 million.
I'm coming to you.
And then I say, if you took that $16 million, check this out.
What is $16 million at a, give me a conservative rate of return, Tom?
Let's just go with current T-bills have been floating at four.
Okay.
$16 million at a 4% rate of return over 40 years.
What will it look like?
You ready?
Here's what it would look like.
If I put $16 million and then I would go at 6%, then I would go at 8%.
Then I would go at 10%.
If you put $16 million, not four years, Rob, you just said what it would do in four years, 40 years, okay?
At 40 years, you know how much money that is?
At only 4%?
$77 million.
Rob, can you do me a favor?
Take that same question and put it at 6% over 40 years.
So I just told you, by you not playing in LA and you playing in Florida, you save 13.3% on your seven-year contract, $140 million, $16 million at 6%.
You know what it is in 40 years?
Vinny, $165 million you're losing just to play for LA or just to play for New York.
But by the way, let's go say you just put it in the stocks.
And, you know, the S ⁇ P, what has the S ⁇ P done the last 40 years?
Can you put up what the S ⁇ P has done the last 40 years, Rob?
10%.
The last 40 years, what has the S ⁇ P, what has the S ⁇ P done in the last 40 years?
And we say, Johnny, take that $16 million.
Don't ever look at it again.
Let's put it in the S ⁇ P.
The S ⁇ P, the last 40 years, has done 11.5%.
If you would have put that 16%, Vinny, look at the chart, and you would have just put it in the S ⁇ P, at 11.5% the next 40 years, you would have $1.2 billion.
So guess what, Johnny?
You're not really losing $16 million.
You're losing $1.2 billion.
Do you really want to give up $1.2 billion?
I'd be recruiting left and right like this.
It's pretty ridiculous what some of these things.
This is real money we're talking about.
Of course.
You understand?
This real money we're talking about.
So I think fans, even fans that just want the better players, the owners have their hands like this.
Not because of NFL, not because of the NBA Player Association, not because of collective bargaining agreement, because you're governors, mayors, senators, congressmen, the women that are voting for ways to raise taxes in their states.
So I actually understand the pain that these GMs are going through.
Adam, your thoughts?
You said it, Pat, but sports is a business.
So, you know, what do they say in real estate?
What's the number one thing in real estate?
Location, location, location.
When it comes to sports, what's the number one thing?
Money, money, money.
What's the famous line in Jerry McGuire?
Show me the money.
Show me the money.
Yeah, but what about winning?
What about culture?
What about your role on the team?
You're going to cut.
Yeah, I don't care, bro.
Show me the money.
Show me the money.
Come on, man.
What about loyalty?
What about a hometown discount?
Yeah, show me the money, homie.
Because what's the average NFL career?
Three years.
What's the average NBA career?
Four to five years, you got this big of a window to make as much money as possible before you're retired and you're out the league.
What's the NFL stand for if you don't play the right way?
Not for long.
So you better get your money while you can.
You better take your talents to South Beach when it's tax-free.
Come play for the Miami Heat.
And he just pats us took the tax savings, just took the tax savings by signing with another team and put it in there and then let it go.
It's just amazing.
By the way, if you're in the NFL, Pat, you want to be in the AFC South and you want to go to, you want to play actually now, Tennessee, Nashville's Houston, Tennessee Titans.
Tennessee Titans should be recruited.
How good are they right now?
They play Jacksonville and they play how good are they right now?
They're not very good.
They're okay.
They just got to get them out.
Are they coming up?
No, they're not good.
Cam Ward, who was the number one pick from Miami.
They're actually horrible.
Cam Ward from Miami.
Are they really?
Yeah, they're not good at all.
They're not coming up, Tom.
Stick to the Dodgers, Tom.
Finkel.
The worst team in the league.
Finkel is Einhorn.
Einhorn is Finkle.
We all know that, Tom.
Wow.
Tennessee's horrible.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, it's the same right now.
The best contracts is Florida, Texas, Nevada.
The middle contract on Texas is Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, high, Massachusetts, Jersey.
The worst places to play as an athlete for taxes.
California.
California, New York.
By the way, do you know Dodgers know that?
And that's why they're doing their contract the way they're doing it.
By the way, did you see what Bryce Harper and Machado said about it?
No.
Bryce Harper and Machado said, I am so sick and tired of the criticism California and the Dodgers are getting.
They said, we love what the Dodgers are doing.
Bryce Harper doesn't play for the Dodgers.
He says, we wish other teams would do the contract in a similar way.
But the way Dodgers does it, Dodgers says, I know you pay a lot of taxes in our state.
Let's defer comp.
Let's defer comp.
And that's one of the ways doing that.
Some of the athletes don't want to do that.
Some of the athletes.
So they can get payments like the.
Athlete Tax Havens00:15:25
Look, we.
We know you're let's do a 10-year contract.
We know you're only going to play for us for seven years.
The last three years guess what?
Go to Miami Marlins show a.
Tani is probably going to play for the Marlins in 2034 2033, just so you know that.
Yeah, Otani is going to be a Marlin or a Ranger or I don't know.
One of these weeks at the end of your career, when you get yeah, Otani may buy a, you know, expansion team in Nashville.
You know uh, what do you call it?
The Nashville Nuggets.
They pick something that they may have.
Otani, do me a favor, take your talents to South Beach, not right now.
Follow the Brown.
He will in five to seven years, not right now.
He won't be doing that anytime soon.
I'm gonna show you guys a clip before we wrap up.
Have you guys seen what CNN showed when they worked with one of their interior designers?
I'm not the interior designer.
Uh, CNN played a clip this weekend.
They went and interviewed this guy who was the guy who was the interior designer.
He would decorate a bedroom on the island for Epstein.
This video went viral when they did this interview.
I don't know if you've seen this clip.
Have you seen this yet?
I'm glad you haven't, Tom.
I want you to see this, Adam.
I want you to see this clip as well Rob, if you want to pull it up.
He sounds like a very just, an honest Man who's saying, here's what I noticed, and I eventually have to say, I can't work for you anymore.
Watch what he was talking about.
Very, very parents.
Very disturbing.
Not any disturbing visual, very disturbing what messages he's given.
Go ahead.
Bring up a couple, right?
There were bunk beds.
And I said to him, I said, oh my God, are you expecting grandchildren?
And he said, no, these are for my, these are for the girls.
That's architect and interior designer Robert Couturier.
He was hired by Jeffrey Epstein in 2010 to work on his island.
He worked for a few months and then he quit.
Couturier told the FBI that one of the reasons he decided to quit were those specific demands from Epstein.
Especially for the bunk rooms.
They had to be for girls, dance, pink, and these sorts of things.
So there's no mistaking this wasn't for women.
These were the best.
There's no mistake.
You don't put women on bunk beds.
I'm sorry.
There was another little room with computers and I said, what is this room?
And he said, this room is for the girls when they have fun.
And they play with their computers.
The whole house was very odd because we were on the beach and the house had heavy dark curtains everywhere.
The windows were never really opened.
It felt terrible.
The girls and the young women who went on the island were basic prisoners.
You couldn't leave.
We dug through the files released by the Department of Justice and found the pictures and videos that show the signs of something being off on the island, even as rich and powerful guests visited.
Those signs were impossible to ignore, says this designer.
What do you think about the people who did go to the island and say they never saw anything?
Listen, I think you can decide that you're blind.
You can decide that you only want to see what you want to see.
But the idea that a person would go to that island and not see something weird is impossible to me.
For me to have seen it, everybody else had to see it.
When you think back to how obvious it was to you, do you wonder about, you know, no one saying anything back then?
I've been wondering for the last 16 years.
In 2010, I knew it and we all knew it and I was interrogated and nothing happened.
And that we could have saved so many young women that wouldn't have had to go through what they went through.
Vinny.
I mean, do we need more proof of what this person was and what he was doing and potentially who he was working for and what the objective was?
What do you know that Zoro Ranch, they're actively right now looking for dead bodies in the hills of foreign girls that were allegedly strangled and killed?
This thing is so, I get there's a bunch of ranch.
There's so much going on for a bunk bed.
I believe that guy.
I believe that guy 100% what he's talking about and the fact that, you know, bunk beds, he's like, these aren't for women.
These are for children.
Who knows on that island pack?
Who knows what these, the dentist's office was?
Because like I said this before, when you're sexually, you know, trafficking these girls and these young kids from all over the place and they're with a high-profile person, client, whatever, whoever these people were, you cannot let them go back into the public knowing that I remember that face.
I remember that face because they become a liability and you got to get rid of them.
And that's the sad truth.
And on an island like that that had trap doors and the ocean is there and nobody, nobody monitoring him.
I'm pretty sure he had all law enforcement, everybody in his back pocket.
I think it's disgusting.
And I think the fact that, you know, Pam Bondi and all these people have shifted and nobody's even talking about like, I'm so happy you brought it up again, just to keep reeling everybody to come back in.
Do not forget about what this guy was.
Do not forget about the people and the organizations that he worked for.
And please don't forget about the little girls and the women that were trafficked, abused, raped, and a lot of them potentially murdered.
And that's the hard truth.
Tom.
You think they were murdered?
Do I believe that they were murdered?
1,000%.
You know, you say, don't say 100%.
Adam, there's no way you could take a child, 13, 14, 15, 18, whatever, and have them hook up with Mr. X, who's widely known in the world.
I'm not even going to say name.
You could just pick a name and then you go, okay, little girl, go back to your country or go back to the United States or go back to being homeless.
And we trust that you're never going to say anything.
I believe that, Adam, when you mess with evil like that, evil does what evil does.
And it's not life, human life to us is so important, Adam, because we're not in that world.
To them, it's expendable.
And the way that you hear these emails and hear how they were talking about people and human beings, it's really, really, it's a sad truth.
And by the way, I respect your opinion, but you mean that he's down there having parties, inviting women, doing whatever he is sexually, and then you think he goes and murders them?
I'm not saying all of them, but I think if the client is too many.
I mean, if you're asking how many, let's say one of the things that I've got.
Why are they?
Law enforcement digging in the dirt.
But I'm curious, where are you going with?
You don't believe that happened.
Well, I'd love to hear his opinion, and then I'll go.
Look, I can.
I know you started the conversation.
Then you went with it.
You jumped in.
Let's remove everything we know about Epstein and just focus on this video.
Because that's what you wanted to do, this video.
This video is the least compelling video I've ever seen in my life.
Because he has bunk beds.
Let me tell you something about the budget.
With no kids, with no children.
Let me explain something to you, my friend.
This is the beauty of living in South Beach and living in the nightlife world my whole life.
Do you know how many apartments I know in Miami that are model apartments that have bunk beds?
All of them.
All these women come down here and work for Wilhelmina or CMG or this thing or Kathleen Gleason, all these model M2, all these modeling agencies, dozens of them, dozens of them.
Okay?
And they all have hundreds of models and they have a two-bedroom apartment.
So what do they do for all the models?
Boom.
Eight models are living in an apartment.
How are they going to do that?
Boom.
Bunk beds.
So if you're cheating to tell me that because they got bunk beds for that Epstein is murdering people, children, children's business.
You're saying it's children.
I'm saying they're models.
Based on my experience.
No, you didn't hear the interview.
The girl said they're not for women.
The guy said that's random gay French guys.
Like, I don't know.
I see bunk beds off all.
I'm letting you know just on this video.
If all you got is he got bunk beds, you can have literally 10,000 models in America say, yeah, I've slept on a bunk bed.
Yeah, I've slept on a bunk bed.
By the way, you know where all sales they have bunk beds?
You ever been to a college dorm?
They got bunk beds everywhere.
All I'm saying is this.
We have to use discretion.
If we're going to do everything and throw Epstein down, he's the devil, I get it.
But if your only evidence is like, yeah, there's bunk beds, we're going to have to do a little bit better.
I think besides the bunk beds, Adam, and I understand what you're saying.
And that in this one video, this isn't, oh my God, this isn't blowing the lid off of everything.
But when she's saying little chairs and little computers for kids to be playing, Epstein didn't have any kids.
I do understand.
I'll play devil's advocate.
People did fly there.
Lutnaker, whoever came there with their children.
So I could understand that angle of it.
But from what we've seen, from the droves of freaking emails and everything that with, and they're all talking code talk with eating jerky and beef, $20,000 this and pizza, this and pizza that.
There's a lot of smoke.
Adam, there's a lot of smoke, but at the same token, where are thousands of people were there?
Thousands of people and multiple, multiple women.
Where are they?
They should be speaking out.
Adam, if I saw, let's just say, figuratively speaking, allegedly, Bill Clinton, and I am one of these girls, and something crazy happened in front of me.
You know what I'm doing?
I'm going to go out there and I'm going to talk.
Unless, Adam, she's not around anymore.
And she's not, because Adam, did you see that video of this?
Trapdoors under an ocean.
Ready for this?
That's they're not scuba diving down there.
You take a body Adam and you just throw the incinerators on funeral palm dentistry.
You pull out their teeth and you let them go.
You hold on.
Let me ask you one question.
Do you think Jeffrey Epstein, well, what we found out about him, has the power to do something where he's like, okay, listen, this person just hooked up with a freaking high-ranking, you know, prince or something.
We got to get rid of her.
It's whatever.
You think, you don't think he's capable?
He was capable of doing something like that if he's this evil with looking up with underage girls.
Obviously, like Pat said, one murder is one too many.
There's a lot of, well, there's bunk beds, so he's got to be murdering women.
There's a trapdoor that he's got to be murdering.
We go to the furthest extreme.
Listen, this may be controversial.
I think Epstein was a sick pervert who liked 16-year-old girls.
That's my thing.
And that's it.
That's what I think he was doing.
You don't think.
And then I think he was using these 16-year-old girls and entrapping men, maybe blackmailing them.
But there's no evidence that he's some weirdo who's going into baby cribs and doing stuff like that.
The whole thing that he had with the massages, paying these high school girls $200, $200.
By the way, these girls are complicit.
They're recruiting other girls.
Because what I'm saying is, yes, he's a scumbag.
Yes, he's a piece of crap.
But just because he has bunk beds doesn't mean he's murdering women.
Tom.
We need to have a little discretion here.
Tom.
Adam, I have a lot.
I disagree with that.
That take.
About bunk beds?
No, about what you just said.
About bunk beds.
Just everything.
I just think that's a really rough take.
This guy is not.
This guy is not a random French guy.
This guy is a well-known architect that worked for CNN who was hired on the trial.
Let him finish.
Let him go through it.
Keep going, Tom.
Why are you defending?
I'm not defending.
I'm trying to find go through.
And then you start talking.
And you know what?
I could not be more disgusted with what the story of Epstein.
I could not be more disgusted.
The documents that were withheld, but now we see them.
The photographs that we never saw, but now we see them.
And all the things that just say it's exactly what it was.
And it's not that the girls were complicit.
I don't think an underage girl that was groomed and recruited is complicit.
That's what grooming and the crimes that go on there of recruitment.
And that's why we have these crimes.
That's why we have statutory laws to protect our young children.
I could not be more disgusted with the entire story of Epstein and more discussed it day by day.
I get more angry and I was angry.
I was getting angry inside watching this clip when he said two words.
16 years.
So some time ago, he said he was interrogated.
Some time ago, he talked to somebody and nothing happened.
And there was the sweetheart deal.
The more we know about the sweetheart deal in the time, that there is a way it could have been stopped.
What do we say all the time?
Oh, this young, this young troubled man, young boy, say 17-year-old troubled boy, he got his dad's gun and he went to school and he did this.
Why couldn't we have stopped it?
Why didn't somebody speak up?
We always play armchair quarterback and we want the Second Amendment laws and we want to seize people's guns.
We want to do all that.
But on this, we did have a chance to stop it.
But Powers That Be gave the guy a sweetheart deal and he went right back to doing his business.
And when I see this guy who I regard as a credible witness, given his background and where he's going from, and I don't denigrate him in any way, and he says, 16 years ago, I was interrogated.
It's all part of the, we had a chance to stop it.
And that is the part of this that I hate because it angers me.
I've gone from disgusted to being more and more angry, seeing where it could have been stopped.
So let me give you one thing that this is why this show works, because we have these types of conversations.
And oh my God, I can't believe this.
Oh my God, I can't believe that.
That's why this works.
That's why we have these conversations.
So I don't mind that at all.
The day the FBI investigation, what is in 2018, the same day that happens, you ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.
Why?
I don't know.
Why?
What do you do with that?
I have no idea.
I have no idea what you do with that.
There's so many things that we don't know about this thing.
A lot of things that we know.
We know plenty right now to take the guy down.
You know, he's dead right now, but meaning we know plenty of stories to take a lot of other people down that were tied to it.
But you know how the court works, that they have to go a little bit deeper and deeper and deeper.
Life changes.
You know how Lindsey Graham says, send the kids.
If it's going to be like a, what do you call it?
Ojima.
You know, yeah, go for it.
He doesn't have any kids.
So to him, what's the worst thing that he's going to have?
Nothing.
When you hold your kid and they're in your arms and the thought of something like that happening, you turn into a very different human being.
You turn into a very different human being.
There's a scene where Bill Burr is on the podcast with Joe Rogan and Joe is talking about if something like that happened.
Rob, have you seen this clip?
Type in Bill Burr, Joe Rogan, you know, where Joe, you know, says he would kill him or something like that.
And Bill says, relax, Joe.
This is just a hypothetical.
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Okay.
And you see it.
It is a very, very different story when you deal with families.
It is a very different story when you're dealing with how, yeah, I don't know if you're going to find it here.
You may want to look for it on YouTube or Instagram.
But I understand the emotions.
And by the way, I like that more and more stuff like this is happening.
I like the fact that CNN did this.
Good for CNN for having some like this.
I'm glad these types of conversations are taking place.
Vinny, did you want to say anything before I go to Nick Shirley's story?
No, no, no.
No, it's just, you know, when you find out that this guy was working for two three-letter, well, a couple of agencies to do this, to record everything, to hold, that means they're all of them, all of them were cool with this operation, all of them, for using it for leverage.
And to deny, just to think that they wouldn't want to kill these people is a, to me, that's a stretch.
To me, that is a stretch.
I saw emails where they're saying, hey, we strangled these two girls.
We're going to have to get rid of them on top of the Zoro Ranch.
We have to strangle them.
They're foreign girls.
We have to kill them because during a sexual thing that we had, those sex got rough.
Who was in there?
And they put Madam M and Jeffrey Epstein.
So like, it's real.
It's real.
And we're never going to find out the truth, Adam, because half of the millions of documents, they're not going to release.
They're still redacting male names.
And they keep saying it's the victims.
Nobody wants to see the victim's name.
I want to see who Jeffrey Epstein is emailing saying, hey, we need to get rid of these dead girls.
What are we doing?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And by the way, I found the clip, Rob, if you want to play this clip.
So this was a guy who walks up to a girl, young girl, gets angry, a bicyclist.
And then just looking at what happens to Joe Rogan's temperament, his body language.
Look at this face, Rob.
Not Rob, Adam.
I want you to look at this.
So go ahead and play this clip.
Go ahead.
I was caught on video earlier attacking teenagers who were posting flyers.
He just runs up to her.
He's yelling at her.
I mean, look, he's towering.
Oh, my God.
Look at her, though.
Good for her.
She watched.
See, that's, I think, I don't know if that's a woman or her friend, but that girl's got balls or ovaries.
Yeah.
I would be in the news.
With a big old fucking orange jumpsuit on if that was happening to my daughter.
Oh, my God.
It'd be a real problem.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Joe, it didn't happen.
It didn't happen to your daughter, right?
I know.
You just went to a dark fucking place there.
I go there all the time.
It's a real problem with me.
I know.
I do, too.
I go there all the time.
And to me, there is a line that when you react like that, if you ever wonder why sometimes the audience gets furious with you, is especially with this topic that's a very sensitive topic.
I hope one day you have a daughter.
I think you will change.
And I don't know why I think your first kid's going to be a daughter.
But I hope you have a daughter.
By the way, it is the greatest blessing, but you will never be the same ever again.
Touche.
No, what I'm telling you will never, and I hope you experience that because it'll show you what man is capable of doing if you cross the line with a man's daughter.
It's over.
You know, like the idea of like prison, like it's not like a thing.
So that sensitivity, everything that happened to these girls, these are someone's daughter, someone's niece, someone's cousin, someone's sister.
These are someone's relative that they went through this.
And when you're 14, 15, 16 years old and you're very, what's the word, impressionable?
Is that the word?
And you're struggling financially, it is so easy to take advantage of in that moment.
It is so easy to take advantage of in those moments.
So, I mean, you have a nephew, but you don't have a niece.
But I think if you go through this next phase, God willing, you'll experience it.
There were some really horrible things that happened.
And look, I'm just glad that the media, and I'm glad that CNN, Fox, CBS, whoever it is, that is still in the pursuit of finding out what's going on with this.
An example needs to be made.
And I don't think enough examples have been made yet.
There needs to be examples made for people to be so afraid of what's possible for them to say, I just don't want to touch this anymore.
Anyways, I want to go to the last story and then I want to wrap up.
I want to give a shout out to Nick Shirley.
Nick Shirley's out there doing his thing and it's starting to get to the point that he doesn't feel safe.
Now, this is not a guy that's a millionaire.
This is not a guy that's funded by represented by a big media company where he has the ability to go anywhere and be safe.
Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it.
After last night and the constant doxing attempts and threats from people who want to attack me largely due to politicians and leftist hate-filled rhetoric as I expose billion-dollar fraud schemes stealing from taxpayers, I've decided it's time to raise money for security costs.
What happened?
Yeah, so people try to dox my location live, especially, and a lot of times when I go to these cities now, it sucks because I'll go to a city, I'll go be out filming, someone will take a photo, some activists, some left-wing activists will then take a photo, put me in a Reddit group chat.
This happened to me in Baltimore.
It just happened this last weekend in California.
And they say, run Nick Shirley out.
Or they'll say, if you see Nick Shirley, it's on site.
And so this has happened in multiple cities.
I had money for security after Minnesota.
That money went down to pretty much nothing.
So unfortunately, I had to raise fund again to be able to have security to be able to film these videos to film one of these videos now.
I used to be able to film these videos without security.
Now, it costs anywhere from the last hospice video cost $15,000 to go film because I had to have security for three days to go film this video.
So, folks, if you're watching this and you see a young man like this, he's how old?
23?
I don't know if he's 24 yet.
I think he's 23.
Yeah, 23.
Putting his life on the line and literally because, you know, we know about a 31-year-old who would put his life on the line and go debate and talk to everybody.
And he's no longer with us.
We know the great Charlie Kirk.
So, you know, if you're somebody that, when you're a guy at that age, you need to constantly be encouraged.
I know 45 of you or 50 of you have Manected him already.
If you haven't yet, that is one way of supporting him financially, as well as sending encouraging messages to him.
Rob, can you pull up Nick Shirley's Manect?
He actually responds.
Can you imagine all the stuff that he's doing?
He's still responding to people on Manect.
So if you have it in your heart to send a message and support what this man is doing and help him out with security, I'd love to see 100 of you Manect him directly and just give him an encouraging message.
I'd love to see 100 people send a message to him and just say, Nick, keep at it.
Your work is necessary.
You'll get a message back from him, but it'll also help him out as he's going through this next phase.
Adam, go for it.
Yeah, well, let me just give a message to Nick Shirley.
And I've told him this privately and I won't reveal too much, but I'm going to say something publicly because he's become like a little buddy, little brother.
Like he's a young guy.
And I've come relatively close with the guy we communicate.
Nick, the game has changed, buddy.
You can't just go out and do what you've typically done.
Why?
Because you've done such an incredible job.
You have people basically saying, no, forget about Batman.
Send Nick Shirley and exposing the fraud.
You know, we had a conversation, Nick, you know, about this, about whether he should hire editors or not.
I said, you can't shoot and film and edit and operate.
You're going to have to outsource.
Well, I'm not so sure.
You're going to need security.
You're also probably going to need other reporters that report to you and sort of become an owner operator in the business.
Because, Nick, you have one major job.
You know, your number one job, Nick, right now?
Stay alive.
Because if God forbid something happens to you, the whole thing crumbles.
So you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror, Nick, and we can talk about this privately.
Tom.
Staying alive is the most important.
Be fearless, but be smart.
And I think you're doing absolutely the right thing.
You're helping expose a lot.
And the security is very, very prudent.
And I call on people.
I've reached out to him on the NACT.
I'm calling on people.
Do exactly as Pat says.
It's on screen right now.
There's the QR code.
Get on the NECT.
Support him.
I'd love to get a hundred people.
Send a connect to him.
You know, support the guy on what he's doing.
Would worry that.
And by the way, Vinny, I'll come to you last time and we'll wrap up.
Because we talked about this last week about why he was doing how amazing what is and how credible.
People are like, oh, he's not a real journalist.
Whatever the hell.
Matt Shirley, his brother, messaged me and goes, Vinny, I just finished today's podcast.
Really appreciate you and the whole squad always giving Nick his flowers and having his back.
God bless you guys.
Yeah, that's his like he needs it.
And I love that you're doing this because he needs, like, this is the truth needs to come out.
And notice, have you noticed?
Have you heard a peep from Tim Walz or a peep from Ilhan Omar?
Zero.
They just crawled underneath the rock because of people like Nick Shirley.
Year old young man did that with courage.
So by the way, props to his family for raising a man like this.
Raising a man like this.
Look, I'm a Christian non-denomination.
I'm not a Mormon myself, but I've worked with a lot of different Mormons.
And when they would send their kids on the two-year mission, they would come back different people.
They learn about independence, toughness, fearlessness, and got to respect it.
He's been doing this for a long time.
It is in their DNA.
And I applaud you.
Anyways, gang, Vinny has a podcast that's coming up.
It's right now.
Roger Stone.
It's out right now.
It's out right now with Roger Stone on Hot Cakes and Hot Takes, which that show is doing phenomenal.