PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Cuomo DESTROYS Mamdani, NBA Mafia Gambling Bust & Trump TURNS China On Russia | PBD Podcast

Oct. 24, 2025 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Cuomo DESTROYS Mamdani, NBA Mafia Gambling Bust & Trump TURNS China On Russia | PBD Podcast | Ep 672

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down Andrew Cuomo’s heated debate clash with Zohran Mamdani, the NBA’s massive mafia-linked gambling bust, and Trump’s bold oil move to turn China against Russia amid rising trade tensions. ------ 👞 GET THE NEW FLB 1'S: https://bit.ly/4mXV9gd 📺 PBD x ANNA PAULINA LUNA: https://bit.ly/4o8Ag3o 📕 REGISTER FOR BPW 2025 - FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2025: https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! TIME STAMPS: 00:00 - Show intro 01:23 - Topics on the podcast. 05:46 - 📕 REGISTER FOR BPW 2025 - FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2025: https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx 08:23 - Trump cancels trade talks with Canada. 14:31 - Mamdani destroyed in 2nd NYC Mayoral Debate. 37:12 - NBA gambling bust w/ ex-NBA ref Tim Donaghy. 52:01 - Stephen A blames NBA gambling bust on Trump. 1:05:13 - Trump talks about White House renovations 1:16:05 - JB Pritzker gets called out over Chicago crime rates. 1:25:00 - Islam set to take over Christianity. 1:37:25 - Trump calls off meeting with Putin. 1:51:24 - Trans identities plummeting in the U.S. 2:02:59 - Car repos skyrocket in the U.S. SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @HerTakePod @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Did you ever think you were making your way?
	I still don't suppose I could take sweet victory.
	No, this life may for me.
	Adam, what you hear?
	The future looks bright.
	And Jay, better than anything I ever saw.
	I don't think I've ever said this before.
	Guys, I think it's appropriate for us to start a podcast with some life-changing advice, if that's okay with you guys.
	If you at any point of your life are making $26.6 million a year, don't go break the law, betting and gambling, and leaving the game nine minutes into it for $200,000 of cash.
	You know what you call that?
	You call that double dump.
	I just want to start off with some life-changing advice because I want our folks to have better lives.
	I want you to enjoy playing the NBA.
	I want you to enjoy doing what you're doing.
	But no, not Terry Roger.
	It's not what he wanted to do.
	He wants 200 grand, right?
	And it's a lot of stuff going on with the whole NBA scandal that's coming up.
	Some people are saying it ain't even done with.
	I had to make a phone call to an old friend, Tim Donahue, who was the referee in the NBA that went and did some time because he was actually doing stuff with the mob.
	And he's going to join us here in a few minutes.
	So stay tuned for that.
	But we got a lot of stories to get into.
	The debate.
	New York City mayoral debate.
	Curtis Liwa on fire.
	Andrew Cuomo dropped some incredible heat on Mamdani.
	And Mamdani came with his charming smile, doing his thing.
	But odds are still on their side.
	I mean, there's got to be a miracle taking place.
	But I thought Kumo actually did a pretty good job.
	And I thought Slibo did a good job.
	We'll see if New York City is going to be doing anything or not.
	Bill Ackman.
	Trump is the most pro-business president we've ever had.
	Trump claims China doesn't want to invade Taiwan.
	By the way, breaking news just came out of nowhere yesterday when we're talking to Anna Paulina Luna, which buys phenomenal conversation talking to her.
	We could have gone for another four hours.
	Is China agreed to follow the sanctions, not buying oil from Russia?
	That decision was made.
	We made the announcement within 15 minutes of it.
	State oil skies are not buying no more.
	Trump Barton's convicted Parton's convicted Binance founder CZ White House says, Trump, it was time for Russia sanctions.
	Putin meeting didn't feel right.
	I don't know if you guys saw what he did with Canada.
	Apparently, the Ronald Reagan Foundation came back and said, you know, Canada was spending $75,000 of ads against tariffs.
	Trump said every negotiation that we had on the table is done.
	I don't want to talk to you.
	Terminated the whole thing.
	We'll definitely talk about that.
	Exclusive China's okay.
	We talk about that.
	We have time for Russia.
	Got it.
	Who is paying for Trump's White House ballroom, folks?
	I don't know if Tom just showed us something right before we went live.
	He showed us what the White House, we'll show it in a minute.
	We won't show it right now, what the White House put up on their website of pictures at the White House.
	You got to see it.
	It's funny.
	A lot of people are losing their mind with it, but we'll definitely cover that story.
	This is exactly when Christianity will be toppled as religious majority in America as Islam rises.
	Luigi Man Junior fought seven ladyboys in Thailand before CEO killing.
	Yes.
	Seven ladyboys is what?
	Girls with danglings?
	Is that kind of what that's exactly?
	We got a guy on the scene down there that's doing something.
	Yeah, calling him live in the streets.
	He's out there.
	Sharp decline in young adults identifying against transgender non-binary analysis fines.
	Pentagon announces a new right-wing press corps after mass walkout.
	Tom's got some thoughts on that.
	Average cost of a family health insurance plant is now nearly $27,000.
	U.S. lift queue restrictions on Ukraine, use of European long-range missiles.
	Finances are getting tighter.
	U.S. car repos surge as Americans default on auto loans.
	Netflix co-CEO on WBD buyout rumors.
	We have no interest in owning legacy media networks.
	Warner Brothers Discovery launches, formal auction of media giant sources.
	Mehi Hassan has tantrum as Americans inform him they don't want Islamic call to prayer in their neighborhoods.
	You have to see what he has to say about it, which is quite interesting.
	And then we got a couple other stories, the NBA scandal, Chauncey Billips.
	I never, ever thought Chauncey would be on a list like this.
	Literally, I never thought he'd be on a list like this.
	Maduro is asking for peace, but he's being sarcastic.
	Couple other boats got shot down as well.
	People have to learn how to swim nowadays in Venezuela.
	If you're working there, you're dealing drugs.
	Vinny, you have to be a like a certified serious Ironman type of swimmer to go through it.
	And then Hillary Clinton mocked for 2001 furniture scandal amid Trump's ballroom meltdown.
	At least he didn't steal the silverware, which Hillary Clinton did.
	And she had to come return it back.
	Who does things like that?
	But she did.
	California issued commercial CDL to illegal alien truck drivers.
	You have to see what happened.
	I don't even, can we show that video, Rob?
	The video with the truck.
	Yeah, the mainstream.
	I saw it on Fox News yesterday.
	So yeah, so we'll show it.
	Brett Baer confronts Governor Pritzker over Chicago crime and it's like, no, we're not.
	We're not even at the top 30.
	He's like, what are you talking about?
	And then he shows him the data.
	You have to see that part.
	Anyways, okay.
	So that's what we got.
	Guys, a couple things to remind everybody.
	At the end of the podcast, we're going to answer a couple questions of anybody that wants to ask any questions.
	You can even direct it to Adam, to Tom, to myself, to Vinny.
	Go to Manex Circle.
	By the way, this morning for podcast prep, there was a special video with a song that Vinny and Tom had a very special moment.
	But if you want to find out what that song is, probably don't even know what that song is because it's like OG 80s type of stuff.
	Go to PBD Podcast Circle, Manect, Manex Circle, and then post your questions at the end of the podcast.
	We'll address one or two of them.
	And aside from that, for those of you that are watching and you have big plans for 2026, I'm excited for 2026.
	I think 2026 is going to be the greatest year in my lifetime in America.
	You know, America's turning 250.
	World Cup's coming here.
	President Trump's turning 80.
	We're going to have multiple times rates going lower.
	I think the IPO market's going to open up.
	And Vinny and I, we were out there.
	I was looking at Vinny outside.
	They said, I don't know what was going on.
	So I'm walking outside.
	Vinny's looking at the sky.
	I'm like, Vinny, what are you doing?
	Obviously, we're living.
	We have 11 acres of land we own right on the airport.
	So I was concerned.
	I walked up.
	Watch what Vinny was doing in this video.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Great pose.
	Come on, come on, come on, come on.
	Hey, Vinny.
	What's up, Pat?
	What are you doing?
	Waiting.
	Waiting for what?
	Business plan.
	Come for size.
	So people told me it works for how it works.
	But for Newton, that's not how it works.
	On December 12th, I host an event called the Business Planning Workshop, where we go through this entire manual together on how to write a business plan based on 12 billion blocks.
	Okay.
	All you have to do is click on a link below.
	Okay.
	Get registered.
	December 12th.
	We'll be together all day.
	All right, so if we go eat right now, because I've been four hours waiting like an idiot.
	So if you're like Vinny waiting for a business plan to fall from sky, don't do that.
	December 12th, come join myself and tens of thousands of people together that will be going through exactly the way I write the business plan based on 12 building blocks.
	If you haven't yet registered, click on a link below, Rob.
	If you can give them the, you can find out whatever ticket you want to go with.
	You can zoom in, not show your face.
	You can zoom in, be with everybody else, thousands of other people will be see the face, and I'll be able to interact with you.
	Or you can be there live with us and call and find out more about that.
	But at the lowest one, you can get registered for 297 full day, and you'll get a 200-page workbook.
	Click on a link below.
	Get yourself, your wife, your friends, family, salespeople, executive team, watch this business plan workshop together, December 12th, Rob.
	Let's please put the link below for that.
	Having said that, let's get right into it.
	President Trump is not happy about Canada.
	Rob, if you want to pull this up, so President Trump tweets about the Ronald Reagan Foundation finding out that Canada has fraudulently used an advertisement, which is fake, featuring Ronald Reagan speaking negatively about tariffs.
	The ad was for $75,000.
	They only did this to interfere with the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court and the other courts.
	Tariffs are very important to the national security and the economy of the U.S. based on their egregious behavior.
	All trade negotiations with Canada are hereby terminated.
	Thank you for this attention to the matter, President Donald J. Trump.
	Tom, thoughts on this.
	Well, back in the day, Reagan was a free market thinker and he made comments about tariffs.
	Now, but you got to go look at what is happening right now.
	I sum it up this way, and this is my opinion, my assessment.
	Reagan was talking about punching first with tariffs.
	Can we do this?
	Can we play the clip?
	And then I want you to talk about this.
	Here's a clip, folks.
	This is the one that Tom is talking about.
	Go ahead.
	When someone says, let's impose tariffs on foreign imports, it looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs.
	And sometimes for a short while, it works, but only for a short time.
	But over the long run, such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer.
	High tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars.
	Then the worst happens.
	Markets shrink and collapse, businesses and industries shut down, and millions of people lose their jobs.
	Throughout the world, there's a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free protectionists.
	America's jobs and growth are at stake.
	Okay, so that's what President Trump doesn't like.
	Go ahead, Tom.
	So listen to what Reagan was saying.
	People have an idea to protect, and that leads to retaliation and it leads to trade wars.
	So what Reagan was talking about is you need to get yourself competitive and you have to be ready for a global economy.
	That's what Reagan was saying.
	Very clearly, he was saying don't punch first with protectionist tariffs.
	But what is Trump doing?
	Canada seems to have a short memory on this.
	Trump is punching back against companies that have had tariffs and restrictions on the United States for years, decades.
	And so I think you have to look at both sides of it that way, Pat.
	That's what I think.
	You know, hard to pick on Trump when he is punching back and trying to level the playing field.
	You don't hear Trump using the word protection.
	You hear Trump using the word unfair.
	It's been unfair for too long.
	And I'm behind Trump on this one.
	And I think that this spin that being put on there, look, Doug Ford came out and said things.
	You've got people in Canada saying things.
	They're trying to get through the Trump years and get to the other side.
	And this was a Bush League move.
	I love the fact that he hit back so hard.
	Well, this is sort of just par for the course of what's going on in Canada.
	If we like pan out a little bit, to me, California and Canada are very similar.
	They're these big, massive pieces of land that could be beautiful, could be great, but they're crumbling and falling apart.
	How often do we hear about Comifornia or what's going on in Commune-like Canada?
	I did a podcast.
	I think, Vinny, you did a podcast with our friend Matthew the other day.
	And I said, everyone I talk to in Canada is trying to move to Florida.
	Everybody.
	Like every single person.
	I said, do me a favor, sell me on coming to Canada.
	Because I could sell you on coming to Florida.
	Tax haven, amazing weather, great people, free markets, low taxes, the whole deal.
	I go, sell me on coming to Canada.
	And he goes, well, it's going to be tough to sell you on Canada because we have the following issues and economic and wokeness.
	And he starts going down the list.
	15 minutes later, he's bashing Canada.
	I go, dude, let me stop you.
	I asked you to sell me on Canada.
	He goes, yeah, I just can't.
	And what's happening in Canada over the last decade, it's downstream from some of the policies that Trudeau basically implemented and now being sort of reinvigorated by this Carney guy.
	But no bueno what's going on again.
	And apparently it's had the Reagan Foundation or the family they're going to be looking into, hopefully going after them because they use the video in a manner that wasn't what he actually said.
	But what they're trying to do, they're basically trying to discredit Trump and what he's doing with the policy.
	The foundation, like I said, I think, Rob, did the foundation say that they're going to go after him?
	It's like your neighbor is lying to your face.
	You don't renegotiate.
	You close the gate.
	Good for them.
	Reagan Foundation issued a statement saying the ad misrepresents Reagan's remarks and claims that Ontario's government did not seek nor receive permission to use and edit the remarks.
	Bingo.
	Like, okay, you want to play games?
	That's how we're going to play.
	By the way, I actually like the fact that Reagan Foundation is aligned with President Trump and there is none of this rhino, you know, because there's different factions right now in the party.
	I am so glad they are aligned on this thing together and going up against them.
	And by the way, the one thing that was, I voted, one of my top three issues with the president was tariffs.
	And I'm glad he's doing it.
	And I hope he comes through with it.
	And I hope they let him do what he's trying to do with tariffs.
	Other countries can tax us, but we can't do that to them.
	Wait a minute.
	How does that work?
	So the rules and regulations are let other people punish Americans, but not the other way around.
	For us, you want to do business.
	We have the best customers in the world.
	You don't.
	That's true.
	The best customers in the world are in America.
	You want to do business with us.
	So if you want to do business with us, here's what you have to do in return.
	Very common sense stuff for me on this one.
	Let's go to the next one.
	New York City mayoral race still going on.
	The debate took place Wednesday night.
	It was actually a very good debate.
	On the debate, Andrew Cuomo finally showed up.
	By the way, the way I put it, I put Sliwa that showed up the best.
	Then I put Cuomo.
	Then I put Mamdani.
	Did his same old, same old stuff.
	But on this one, this was the toughest debate for Mamdani because he got destroyed.
	Andrew Cuomo came out, straight up destroyed Mamdani.
	And this one clip, Rob, if you want to go ahead and play this clip, go right ahead.
	I understand my friend doesn't really understand government.
	The governor doesn't build housing in New York City.
	Not if it's you.
	No, no, legally, there are jurisdictions.
	The governor doesn't pick up trash.
	He doesn't run the fire department.
	That's what the mayor does.
	The mayor builds housing.
	The state allocates funding for localities.
	And I allocated more funding for housing than any governor in the history of the state of New York.
	All right.
	I did things.
	You have never had a job.
	You've never accomplished anything.
	There's no reason to believe you have any merit or qualification for 8.5 million lives.
	You don't know how to run a government.
	You don't know how to handle an emergency.
	And you've literally never proposed a bill on anything that you're not talking about in your campaign.
	You had the worst attendance record in the assembly.
	And you gave yourself the highest raise in the United States of America.
	You went from $110,000 to $140,000, and then you never showed up for work and you missed 80% of the votes.
	Shame on you.
	Shame on you.
	Yeah, that's pretty strong right there.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	I wish it happened earlier.
	Yeah.
	Tom, what do you think about Cuomo right there?
	You know what that is?
	That is a man talking about the things he did.
	Because as a mayor, you have to get things done.
	As a governor, you have to get things done.
	You know, you can talk about that the senators and assemblymen and congressmen, these people negotiate bills.
	But when it comes to getting things done, declaring the state of disaster area, getting things going, that was fantastic.
	And he brought the receipts on how Mandani wasn't even present in the role that he was in.
	You missed 80% of the votes.
	Really?
	Are you kidding me?
	And you went from 100 to 140,000?
	I thought he brought receipts on Madani's number two, but number one, I thought he pointed out what he had done for New York, building more houses, stimulating more houses to be built in New York City than any other governor.
	Okay, so here's Mamdani going after Andrew, Governor Cuomo.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Mr. Cuomo, in 2021, 13 different women who worked in your administration credibly accused you of sexual harassment.
	Since then, you have spent more than $20 million in taxpayer funds to defend yourself, all while describing these allegations as entirely political.
	You have even gone so far as to legally go after these women.
	One of those women, Charlotte Bennett, is here in the audience this evening.
	You sought to access her private gynecological records.
	She cannot speak up for herself because you lodged a defamation case against her.
	I, however, can speak.
	What do you say to the 13 women that you sexually harassed?
	The old Me Too movement called the Trump move by the bringing the girl in.
	If you want to be in government, then you have to be serious and mature.
	There were allegations of sexual harassment.
	They were then went to five district attorneys, fully litigated for four years.
	The cases were dropped, right?
	You know that as a fact.
	So everything you just stated, you just said was a misstatement.
	Okay, how do you process that one, Tom?
	I love the fact that he came back with the receipts on it.
	This is what happens.
	Now, I think he could have talked about the source of it, you know, a little bit, but the fact was they did go to multiple district attorneys and these cases were dropped.
	Adam, your thoughts.
	So it's almost like Andrew Cuomo is sort of getting the message that you got to fight dirty in this thing.
	To me, it's like, what's the famous song, Material Girl from Madonna?
	I was a material girl living in Material World.
	Andrew Cuomo is an 80s Democrat living in a 2025 socialist woke Islamist Democratic Party.
	And he's finally realizing I can't play nice with this guy and I need to go on the attack.
	You see these stats out there about if it was just people who were born in America or born in New York, Andrew Cuomo would run away with this race.
	I don't think that Cuomo's playing dirty.
	I think he's responding well, finally responding well to the dirt.
	Well said, Tom.
	So you have that right now.
	And then immigrants, yeah, and then immigrants overwhelmingly vote for Mamdani.
	So there's a clear schism right there.
	For me, and this might be offensive.
	I don't care.
	Can we make New York Italian again?
	Can we bring Brooklyn back to what's going on?
	You have some Ugandan socialist whose rich parents who's about to become the mayor of New York freaking city over here.
	If it were me.
	This is what you're talking about.
	I want Cuomo to get it down as hell.
	Yeah, I touched the girl she liked.
	It was no problem.
	What are we talking about?
	I'm about to say New York City mayoral election, American-born.
	If it were born in New York, if you were born in America, Cuomo would be winning.
	Mamdani second.
	But do you have the numbers about?
	Now, if you're born outside of New York, they won Zodan Mandani.
	And to me, this is a perfect piece of the puzzle to understand what's going on in America.
	New Yorkers don't even have a say what's going on there.
	Let me say something.
	First of all, and I've said this before, just, you know why he came in and this guy, like, I'm not saying anybody could have done it.
	The pool of people, you have to pick from Andrew Cromo, which I think the sexual allegations, whatever, if they're real, okay, but.
	That's why I like him.
	No, Adam, the, the, what's it called?
	The, the, um.
	The COVID response to the freaking dying elderly people, which nobody knew anything, but that happened.
	Curtis Silva, nobody knows who he is.
	He's a beret guy.
	Anybody to me could have come in talking and smiling at me and slick.
	And New York is like Adam, but here's the damn angel shaman.
	With Cuomo and Silva, this is like you're going up against Mike Tyson.
	It's the last round.
	You're down on all the cards.
	Now you want to start throwing haymakers.
	Now you want to try to knock them out.
	That's true.
	It's not that too little, too late.
	Adam, it's beyond late.
	I just think it's too little, too late for Cuomo to start doing this.
	He's getting AI involved.
	He's getting it down.
	What's it called?
	Eric Adams just endorsed him.
	Okay.
	It doesn't carry a lot of weight.
	No, but he just endorsed him.
	Rob, if you want to just put it on there, it's a.
	The family of New York.
	That's why I'm here today to endorse Andrew Cuomo to be part of this fight.
	So he endorses them.
	Now you got Curtis Sliwa.
	Curtis Sliba's not going to be stepping out.
	Bill Ackman tweeted something, if you want to pull that up of what Bill Ackman said about Curtis.
	Bill Ackman did not hold back and even asked him the question to respond that he hasn't yet.
	I put Curtis Sliba as the best performer in the debate, but the challenge that he has is one thing.
	So if you want to go a little bit lower, when it was, no, Rob, it's like a few days ago.
	Keep going lower, lower, lower.
	It's two days ago.
	It's just a tweet.
	There's no videos, nothing else that you'll see him up.
	Wait a minute.
	Who's that?
	Oh, he retweeted my tweet.
	Well, that's the one I posted.
	Interesting.
	I don't know Bill Ackman.
	We could go to it.
	Okay, this is what I posted.
	My thoughts on the debate.
	Curtis Spook was on fire tonight.
	Show him a conviction.
	Alterista.
	Andrew Cuomo performed well and looked loose, confident like he was having fun.
	Mamdani hit his usual greatest.
	It was polished poison in control.
	Mamdani's pipe dream socialist policies got exposed tonight.
	He was caught off guard multiple times.
	I'm not sure if he means anything, but this is the first time he got off guard.
	My ranking of tonight's debate, Sliwa, Cuomo, Mamdani.
	That said, here's Sliba's challenge.
	He has better chance of becoming governor of New York than mayor of New York City.
	65% of New York City voters are registered Democrats.
	48% of New York state voters are registered Democrats.
	Sliba has less than 1% chance of winning the mayoral race, but I see him legitimate.
	Gubernatorial contender in 2026.
	My suggestion, Sliwa should step down and team up with Cuomo and broker a deal for Cuomo to back him in 2026.
	Not sure how realistic that is, but it is where big deals are done.
	It's clear Sliwa isn't planning to stepping aside.
	And he's made that obvious.
	If you go a little lower, if you go a little bit lower on Ackman's tweet.
	I actually have it sent it to Rob.
	Thank you, Adam.
	But as he's looking for it, someone where he questions his sort of integrity.
	I spoke to someone who knows Sliwa, and I understand why he's staying in the race.
	The city has an 8-to-1 matching program for New York City donor.
	Sliwa got $5 million of matching funds for the city for his campaign.
	According to my source, Sliba's wife, friends, and others are on his campaign payroll.
	And he and they are enjoying living off the city's taxpayers who are funding his race lifestyle.
	And he doesn't want to end this campaign and have to return the funds, follow the money.
	When I ask why he doesn't care about New York City, my source said he doesn't give a shit.
	Clearly, this is hearsay, but my source is an extremely credible and highly respected person, and he knows Sliva very well.
	Curtis, please correct the record if I got anything wrong.
	What personal related expenses is your campaign paying for?
	Is your wife and your other family or friends on the payroll or receiving funds?
	Please clarify the record.
	Did he respond to this?
	That got 6.4 million views, go a little bit lower.
	I want to see if Sliva responded to it.
	No, I don't see anything here.
	Okay, Vinny, you were saying something.
	Yeah, I just, okay, it's let's just face the facts, okay?
	And yeah, the debate has to happen, Pat.
	And you absolutely, great tweet, absolutely right.
	It's over unless a miracle happens.
	This isn't some Donald Trump stuff.
	And you saw Mamdani trying to be like Trump and bring the accusers and all that.
	Listen, it's over.
	Okay.
	He is, unless, like I said, something insane is going to happen.
	He's going to win.
	I'm just curious what you guys think of how long, Pat, until these people have buyers' remorse and they go, oh my God, that smiling face, that guy that takes photos with freaking co-conspirators of a world trade bombing and then goes on podcasts, goes on Andrew Schultz's podcast, and everybody's having a good time.
	Everybody was glazing all over this guy.
	Like, not once did you say, hey, listen, that's you with the guy that co-conspirator that blew up, tried to blow up the world trade.
	Where's the funding get?
	Why is everybody having a great time?
	I know it's a comedy podcast, but hold the guy's foot to the fire because guess what?
	It's over.
	When did he go?
	It's coming.
	It was on Schultz, I think, two days ago.
	Did he push him at all?
	Or was it?
	Look at everybody was having a great time.
	And what did Andrew Schultz say, Pat?
	About, I'll pay the extra taxes if you do all the stuff that you're going to say that you're going to do.
	Schultz said he wants to pay more time.
	Andrew Schultz said it.
	And by the way, and I'm just seeing, it's when, when were people going to be like, hey, time out?
	This is you.
	This is what you've said.
	This is what you're about.
	All this free crap.
	The city's going to pay for it.
	Your free bus ride, that's $700.
	How much was it, Tommy?
	$700 million?
	Who's going to pay for it?
	Who's going to pay for it?
	The people are.
	You guys have no idea what you're asking.
	No, no, I'm saying that would have been like.
	So here's a clip that you're talking about on the 2% on threats.
	Yeah, that's why I didn't know if I could play it.
	Hey, you're a threat guy.
	Watch this.
	Volume, please.
	Anybody's moving?
	And I honestly feel that way.
	Go back, go back.
	Go back, go back.
	Dude, if you're going to deliver all this shit for 2%, so I don't think anybody's moving.
	And I honestly feel that way.
	I'm in the tax market.
	We're going to tax more.
	Like, dude, if you're going to deliver all this shit for 2%, give it.
	I'm 100% supportive.
	It makes life easier for New Yorkers.
	This is my one identity in my entire life is a New Yorker.
	It's the thing I care the most about.
	But I think that there are going to be people in government that are going to try to restrict you from doing that.
	And I know that you're aware of that.
	What the fuck do you do when special interest groups are going to be lobbying like crazy?
	I mean, you have to.
	How do you do that?
	You have to be ready to take on these fights.
	There is a reason why we haven't had progress.
	There are people making money off the status quo.
	And so there will be a lot of interest in retaining that status quo.
	Right now, the city of New York will pay McKinsey a few million dollars to design a trash can.
	McKinsey's not going to be happy when I say we don't need you to design that anymore.
	We can actually design that ourselves.
	You're right that we're going to have to transform the inner workings of government.
	And that means ending a patronage politics.
	A lot of people who have jobs more to do with who they know than what they do.
	Andrew, who lives in New York City, he's going to be impacted by this.
	He doesn't think people are going to leave.
	And he's okay paying the 2%.
	They're leaving already.
	Know what I'm saying?
	No, guys, I'm just telling you what he said, right?
	That's what he's saying.
	But by the way, great.
	Andrew, let's see if he's right.
	Okay.
	Well, let's see if he's right.
	Let's see if people will be leaving.
	Let's see if this will work out.
	Let's see if what happens there.
	But the reality of it is, Schultz wants Momdani to win.
	Of course.
	You think so?
	There's no question Schultz is on Mamdani's side.
	I think he even put a Cal She put a wager on Momdani to win, if I'm not mistaken, $1,000.
	$1,000 or somebody's doing it for Momdani to win.
	So Schultz is trying to help Momdani win.
	And by the way, that was a place to be.
	And Schultz is the podcast of New York.
	You got to go through it.
	You know, Cuomo, you know, had to get onto Schultz.
	We'll see.
	I don't know yet.
	But Cuomo had to get on that.
	I don't think if Schultz doesn't get Cuomo to get on his podcast, what Schultz is saying is he had Mayor Adams, he had Momdani.
	He didn't have Cuomo.
	What he's saying to the public is, I don't support Cuomo.
	That's what he's saying.
	And that's his position of where he's at.
	Or Cuomo just hasn't agreed to go on his podcast.
	Cuomo would love to be on his podcast.
	Come on, Schultz, bring him on.
	Can I respond to what Schultz is saying for a second?
	By the way, let me just give the disclaimer.
	Andrew Schultz, one of the best comedians working out there.
	I love his crew.
	Awesome job.
	I think the world of the guy.
	At the same time, I also know that he loves New York.
	And to me, when he says 100% people are not moving, well, that's factually incorrect.
	Because how many people moved during COVID?
	One little thing that they changed your life.
	Schultz moved to Miami during COVID.
	So like, and how many billions of dollars left New York during COVID?
	So now people have a frame of reference.
	They see what's coming down the pike.
	They see the taxes that are coming down there.
	And Schultz, respect to you.
	I know you're probably worth tens of millions of dollars.
	We're not talking about tens of millions of dollars here.
	The people that would be moving are worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
	They own the biggest firms.
	They're going to be paying ridiculous corporate taxes potentially.
	They're the billionaires.
	They're the people that have houses everywhere.
	And they will move out of New York.
	No problem.
	They might move to New Jersey.
	They might move to Connecticut.
	They move to Florida.
	They move to the Sixth Borough of Miami.
	But to say that the people are not going to move out of New York is just disingenuous.
	But I do think that Schultz cares about New York.
	I don't think he's like.
	Yeah, but you're getting swindled.
	Yeah, but guess what?
	You're getting swindled by this guy.
	Name me one time, Tom.
	This socialist communist crap has worked anywhere ever.
	Go.
	We don't have to go there, Beth.
	I'll answer your question very, very succinctly.
	You said, when will New York realize it?
	Yes.
	I believe they're going to realize it next summer.
	They're going to see the early signs that are going on.
	And that's when I believe Elise Stefanik will defeat Kathy Hochul next year, November 3rd, 2026, for the New York governor, because the people of New York City are going to realize what they bought early on.
	And I think you're going to see a huge change in New York politics.
	And by the way, next year's mid-New York City is not New York State.
	I think we just showed that step.
	No, I do say that's what I'm talking about.
	I don't think Schultz is an idiot.
	I think he's very intentional.
	What are the chances that he realizes this is going to be our next new mayor?
	Let me hedge my bet and kind of like Gallivan for him a little bit.
	Do you think that's a possibility?
	No, then that means you're a grifter is what that means.
	No, I wouldn't say that.
	But hang on a second.
	No, you asked me a question.
	I'm answering you.
	So what do you believe in?
	That's the question.
	What do you believe in?
	What do you believe in?
	Does what Momdani do match what you believe in?
	If he does, I support you supporting him.
	But if you're doing it because you like him and this guy's never had a proven track record of having done anything and his track record got exposed with Cuomo and he couldn't even refute it, this is not a worker.
	This is a rich family's kid that's coming here that's going around telling people what to do.
	And you're going to see what you get.
	But I think honestly, Schultz is going through identifying what his true convictions are.
	And some people are always like this, trying to get clear.
	Until your true convictions are like 100% like this, you're always going to be swinging.
	Makes sense.
	One side or another.
	I know he's been very critical of Andrew Cuomo.
	I mean, a lot of New Yorkers are.
	Of course.
	So Cuomo is trying to put lipstick on a pig and be like, no, he's a way better candidate than Mamdani.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But he also has a laundry list of things that he screwed up on.
	Some people in New York don't forget how many, you just talked about the nursing homes and the old people.
	So in my opinion, the only way that this gets settled in a fair manner, fair, head-to-head, is if this guy, Curtis Lee, will leave the race.
	If he stays in it, it's no, but Adam, how many weeks?
	Two weeks away.
	It's over.
	Guys, it's over.
	I'm not worried about that anymore.
	It's what's coming.
	And Tom, you made a great point.
	Give them a year.
	Give him a year.
	And I want to know all that free stuff that he's talking about.
	And you're willing to pay a percent more?
	Okay.
	Tell that, like Adam said, to the $50 million guys, the $100 million guys that are going to leave and take their companies and all their employees and all their jobs.
	Schultz is not going to be effective.
	Schultz makes a shit ton of money.
	Yeah, of course.
	Schultz has got money.
	He's going to be okay with, you know, 2% for him on the $5 million he's making a year is $100,000.
	He's not going to be hurt by a lot.
	But the reality of it is, if you're campaigning on convictions on who is a true New Yorker, Cuomo is a bigger New Yorker.
	Sleewa is a bigger New Yorker.
	Mamdani is the least amount of New Yorker.
	Of course.
	Out of all of them.
	But your method of voting is the way you're choosing to vote.
	Great.
	We respect it.
	It's your city, meaning, like, go.
	It's your city.
	Let's see what happens to your city.
	Maybe they're right.
	Maybe the guy's going to come and crush it.
	Maybe there's communistic ideas and more prayer in the streets is what New Yorkers want.
	Maybe they want more of that.
	Maybe Andrew wants more of that outside of his place.
	And that's okay.
	If he truly does, I support it because you're going to be directly impacted by it more than us.
	FYI, you know how we're going to be impacted by it?
	People moving down here?
	Real estate properties.
	You know what's going to happen here?
	Do you know when we were in New York, when we were in New York and hanging out the summer, what were realtors saying?
	What were people talking about?
	Where are people moving to?
	Do you know the people in Hampton?
	They're like, you know how many calls we're getting right now because people are trying to leave the city to come over here and buy other properties?
	So we'll see.
	We'll see.
	Schultz says nobody he believes is going to leave.
	Data's going to tell you.
	Do you know how many my new realtors are praying for Mamdani?
	Of course.
	I have friends in Miami that are just like, I can't wait.
	They're going to make a killing.
	Of course.
	It's also almost, Pat, tell me if you agree with this.
	It's sort of reminiscent of the 2016 election where you had establishment candidate corrupt Hillary Clinton, and they obviously got Trump in there.
	But Bernie is the Mamdani candidate.
	I don't think that's the comparison.
	I think the true comparison to this is 2008.
	This is not 2016.
	Obama and McCain?
	This is Mamdani as Obama.
	And everybody fell in love because he was such a good speaker and they were spooked.
	Came out of nowhere.
	However, the challenge was what?
	Who was the alternative?
	It was Hillary Clinton.
	And I don't blame them for not wanting to go with Hillary.
	Oh, you're saying on the Democratic City?
	Yeah, well, it was Hillary is Andrew.
	So I get that part.
	But you're going to be spooked in this situation.
	It's the establishment versus the anti-establishment.
	Andrew's not even the establishment.
	The establishment hates Andrew Cuomo.
	Well, he's establishment in everyone's eyes.
	No, no, no.
	Hang on a second.
	Cuomo family legacy is establishment is against Adam.
	You've been interrupting a lot.
	When it comes down to New York City, Andrew Cuomo is not establishment.
	Pelosi hates him.
	Schumer hates him.
	Everybody hates him.
	They can't stand this guy.
	Who do you think probably investigated him and exposed all that stuff?
	You don't think it was his own political party?
	They can't stand the guy.
	Definitely.
	Right now, you know where Cuomo's at?
	You know, it's a tough point for Cuomo to be.
	Cuo doesn't have any friends.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Comu literally has no friends right now.
	He has friends, don't get me wrong.
	But Cuomo doesn't have, Kuomu can't even go to.
	Tell me one big Democrat.
	Has Obama came back and endorsed him?
	Nope.
	Kamala endorsed who?
	No one.
	Mamdani.
	Hoko.
	Mamadani.
	Hoko endorsed who?
	Mamdani.
	Who's endorsed Cuomo?
	Eric Adams.
	That's not a big.
	That's true.
	So literally, if you think about it, the guy's on an island by himself with nothing going on, trying to win a race.
	His own political party is not supporting him.
	I agree with you that the establishment Democratic class has no love for Cuomo.
	But the people of New York, the voters, think that he's establishment.
	So like you said, he's sort of like politically homeless.
	The establishment ain't helping him.
	The people think he's establishment.
	He's kind of cut in the middle here.
	And the one guy that can maybe help him out getting out of the race, Curtis Liwa, hates him as well.
	So they're just all going to watch New York City burn down with Mayor Mamdani.
	Yeah, I mean, the way it's going to go, but remember what I said at the Jubilee debate.
	I hope Mamdani wins.
	Part of me wants Mamdani to win.
	The other part of it for me politically is you guys know where I stand with people running for office and you're not Western.
	It's a bigger concern, but we'll see.
	We'll follow this case study really closely.
	We got two more weeks to go to see who gets elected and who wins.
	All right.
	So let's go to the next story.
	Next story I'm going to get into is about which one should I go to, Tom?
	NBA, because we have Tom Donnie.
	Let's go to NBA.
	So check this out, guys.
	Imagine you're making $26.6 million and you're more excited about a $200,000 payout and your name is Terry Rogier.
	Imagine you're Chauncey Billops, a finals MVP, a head coach, and you're working with the Italian mafia on poker games, helping them over the years win $7 million.
	Think about that.
	Imagine you're Terry Rogier.
	You decide to step out of the game nine minutes into it, and then that's one of the ways I just don't feel like playing.
	He just steps out and goes out and, you know, is stepping out of the game to help a friend win the game.
	Rob, do you have the clip of Kash Patel announcing this?
	Yes.
	So here's how it started the bombshell.
	And then we're going to go to Tim Donny here in a minute.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Play this clip with Kash Patel.
	Such as Chauncey Bills, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today, former current NBA players and coaches.
	What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.
	The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.
	Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of justice against La Casa Nostra to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genovese, and Luchesi crime families.
	Okay, so by the way, it's not every day the FBI director Kash Patel comes out and explains what's going on with the NBA.
	This is right after the NBA had a good opening day, and the timing of it is kind of interesting.
	You have an opening day.
	What's his name?
	Wemby has an incredible opening day, 40 points, 15 rebounds, three blocks.
	Good things are going on.
	And then next thing you know, boom, this is the news.
	Tim, great to have you on the podcast.
	Tim, can you hear us?
	I can't.
	I can't hear you.
	I think you may be muted.
	There you go.
	Can you hear us?
	We can hear him all.
	You're still.
	I heard him over there.
	No, that's Jake speaking.
	Tim, you may be still muted.
	Let's see.
	Because that phone has got a, the Reds got to remove from it.
	There he is.
	So, Tim, how you doing?
	I'm doing terrific.
	Good morning, guys.
	Fantastic.
	Good morning.
	Fantastic.
	Appreciate you for making the time.
	What do you think about what's going on here?
	You know, I think we're just at the tip of the iceberg.
	I think when you talk about arrests being made by the FBI, I think the guys that are arrested are going to sit down and be scared to death with what they're facing.
	And they're going to start to cooperate and they're going to tell the FBI everything they know.
	And this thing is going to spread like wildfire.
	And you're going to find out that this is a lot bigger than it is right now.
	And it's pretty big.
	Tim, why do you think this is why two days before this announcement is made, or even one day before this announcement is made, Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, was on Pat McCoff?
	You think that was intentional?
	Absolutely.
	I think he was trying to, you know, get ahead of the fire a little bit and talk about that they need to get gambling under control.
	And I think that he's going to continue to try to figure out a way to, you know, to put a lid on this, but it's going to be very difficult for him because I think this is widespread.
	I think it's going to be very damaging to the league.
	And, you know, I just received a text message from one of the FBI agents that worked my case.
	And he basically said that they're not going to be able to cover this up like they cover up my case.
	What do you mean by that?
	So what's the difference between this case and your case?
	You know, I think David Stern was able to basically put a lid on it and paint me as one bad apple, the only guy involved, and nobody else did anything but me.
	And, you know, we were going to move on from it.
	You know, the FBI said that there were six or seven other people that they wanted to indict, and this got shut down from the highest level.
	And then I find out, you know, after I go to jail that, you know, a guy by the name of Greg Andres, who was the head of the Eastern District of New York, took a job at a law firm and all of a sudden got all the outside legal counsel work for the NBA.
	So, you know, it was a situation where David Stern really ran that whole investigation and it got shut down by the highest level people in regard to other people being involved.
	Tim, so this is a bigger question for me.
	One of the stories was where is it Damon Jones, I think was that gave a, and maybe I'm saying this incorrectly, but one of the players that was a teammate of LeBron gave word that he may not be playing the game to a guy on the outside.
	Do you think this is going to be tied to some NBA superstars as well?
	And Chauncey is a superstar.
	He's an NBA champion, you know, finals MVP.
	He's absolutely a superstar or head coach.
	But do you think some major superstar names could be tied or leaked to this case here?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, when you talk about wire fraud, that's a law that can be applied to many different things.
	And if you're just calling your buddy and telling them that somebody's not playing, even if it's a nonchalant comment, you're transferring that over state lines, that's wire fraud.
	And that's what I was charged with.
	So, yeah, there's no doubt in my mind.
	Some of these star players might have been saying something to their buddies back home that they weren't playing or one of the other guys weren't playing or they weren't 100% and bets were placed and money was made.
	I think that sometimes people with power and money feel that the rules don't apply to them and they're not going to get caught.
	And you get a little bit cocky like I did and think that you're going to get away with something like this and you just don't.
	You eventually always get caught.
	What is the approach that the mob takes?
	You know, a lot of times I've had a lot of the folks in the mob, you know, on, and I've talked to Michael Francis on how closely they work with the NBA and college.
	And remember back in the days with, you know, UNLV and you would hear stories about some of the guys in Vegas that would go to UNLV and LJ and Stacey Ogman and Jerry Tarkenia.
	Of course, a lot of these were allegations.
	But what is the mob's approach when it comes down to NBA players?
	Why is it that a lot of the mob is tied and they target NBA?
	And by the way, this may open up to the NFL.
	Stephen A. Smith said that, you know, they may be coming after the NFL.
	Maybe coming off the WNBA.
	What is the mob's approach when it comes down to working with the NBA?
	Yeah, it's not just the NBA.
	This is going to be widespread into other professional sporting teams also.
	And it's just a situation where you're hanging out with the wrong people at different times and people are connected to the mob and you get comfortable with somebody, you think they're your friend.
	And the next thing you know, they have something on you or you're in an enormous amount of debt to them for some reason and they have their claws into you and they're going to put pressure on you to do things for them in regard to information so that they can continue to make millions and millions of dollars.
	So in my situation, I remember I thought I was just going to give the guy the picks for three months and be done with it.
	And the FBI agent said they would have never released you.
	You were their golden goose.
	And if you would have stopped giving them the picks that they wanted, they would end up killing you.
	So the mob is the mob and it's still prelevant in the United States of America.
	I know people think that it's not, but it's still working very, very hard.
	Adam.
	Tim, how big is the Vegas effect here?
	Because if you scroll back X amount of years ago, there were no professional teams in Vegas, but the NBA Summer League is based in Vegas.
	We know that they have the Raiders now.
	I believe they have a W NBA team.
	I think LeBron is trying to bring an actual NBA team to Vegas.
	We know that the Mafia was located in Vegas.
	People think that the mafia went away and they're just podcasters now.
	They're clearly out there.
	How big is the Vegas effect here, in your opinion?
	You know, I think that, you know, you used to always be told you couldn't go to Vegas, stay away from Vegas.
	It was nothing but trouble.
	I think it's just a matter of there's a market out there and they want to improve the bottom line.
	So, you know, they move into Vegas.
	You know, you mentioned the summer league for the NBA out in Vegas.
	They put it out in Vegas because they wanted the attraction for some of the bigger players to go out there and watch.
	And, you know, it exploded out there because, you know, people went to see it and they loved it and love going to Vegas.
	So it's all about the bottom dollar when it comes to moving out to Vegas and expanding to different areas.
	And you were found, I don't know exactly, I remember it was 2007, I believe, that you were alleged.
	Yes, 2007, I was found guilty of gambling and wire fraud for passing inside information over state lines.
	Okay, bingo, the inside information here.
	So whether it's in the stock market, whether it's in sports gambling, explain the difference maybe between what you were accused of or guilty of versus what actual player, you were a referee.
	These are players, coaches.
	Explain the difference in your opinion.
	You know, I think the difference between me and say Rozier is the fact that he went out onto the floor, basically pulled himself off the floor because he didn't want to go over a certain amount of points, knowing that there were bets that were going to hit in regard to the amount of points that he was supposed to score.
	You know, my situation was I didn't go out and actually fix games like that.
	That's fixing of a game, which is a much higher penalty than just passing along information about injuries and different things that you learned about the game that I was going to officiate that night.
	So I think he actually went out and fixed the outcome of a bet.
	So, you know, I think he's probably in the most trouble of the three.
	And for the record, how much do NBA referees make a year?
	They do very well.
	A referee that goes all the way up to the NBA finals is going to probably make a little bit over 500 grand a year.
	A lower level guy is going to make somewhere around $200, $225 a year.
	Okay, but this is good money, but this isn't NBA, you know, max salary, even minimum vet money.
	That's $5, $10, $20, $50 million.
	Terry Rogier, I mean, I think he's made over $100 million in his career.
	He plays for My Miami Heat right now.
	Why in the hell would someone who's made over $100 million waste their time and their reputation on a $100,000 bet?
	Explain to me the mind of a player.
	That's why I think there's something weird going on here.
	$160 million.
	Great question.
	Great question.
	But what you have to realize is that, you know, gambling addiction is just like drugs and alcohol.
	And, you know, you get a high from that.
	I got a high from it.
	I enjoy doing it every single day in my life.
	So there's a possibility that he may be addicted to gambling and he just liked the high of doing that.
	So, you know, people don't realize it, but gambling is just as powerful of an addiction as drugs and alcohol.
	Have guys reached out to you with any news of any other names that are being targeted, or you haven't heard anything else?
	I have not heard anything else, but like I said, this is the tip of the iceberg.
	When you talk about an investigation of this level, the FBI being involved, Billips is going to sit down with them.
	Rozier is going to sit down.
	Jones is going to sit down.
	They're going to be facing 10, 15, 20 years in jail.
	They're going to literally scare the shit out of them and they're going to cooperate because the last thing you want to do is sit in a jail cell for the next 20 years of your life when you have a family at home.
	And it's going to be widespread.
	They're going to be a lot of other big names involved in this.
	I don't believe that the NBA is going to be able to cover something like this up.
	By the way, I was just going to say, Tim, when it comes to, like, I just thought about it, even college, like college games.
	I showed Pat a clip last week about a guy, a team that could have just kneeled the ball and won.
	He ran all the way back into his own end zone for a safety and it messed up and it messed up the spread.
	So this is, I mean, like you said, this is who knows where, how far this is going to go.
	But at the end of the day, Tim, when it comes to this type of gambling, you can never be 100% because some people won't be that careless when it comes to the wirefront.
	It can be a cash thing.
	You can't stop cheating in sports, period.
	You can't.
	Right.
	And I think the next big scandal from here is going to be at the college level.
	When you talk about a lot of these young kids who aren't going to make it to that next level and make millions and millions of dollars, you know, you're going to have some of these mob guys talk to them and say, hey, listen, the spread's 15.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just win by 11, 12, or 13.
	Here's 50 grand.
	Let's do that three or four times this year before you graduate.
	So you don't leave here penniless.
	You have money for your family.
	So I think that you're going to find, you know, in the near future, something like that happening at the college level.
	Tim, back to NBA.
	I want to understand the concept of tanking, whether it's in one game or in a season, because if this thing goes back to where I think it's going, I'm going down like Vinny goes down the Epstein rabbit hole.
	I'm going down the, hey, how you doing, Hoover's in the back over there?
	That's my girlfriend, Lars.
	How you doing?
	No worries.
	It's all good.
	So this thing, if you go back to 2023, Chauncey Billips, I believe he's not even a coach of Portland yet, but everybody's in the tanking Olympics for the greatest potential player that we've seen since LeBron.
	And this guy is Victor Wimbiyama.
	We all know who this is.
	This guy just came out of the first game of the season, seven foot four, put up 40 points, ridiculous player.
	How much of the tanking they were trying to get rid of Damian Lillard?
	He was going to go to Milwaukee, Giannis.
	How much of this has to do with tanking, trying to get the greatest player of this generation, Wembiyama, losing games?
	The question is, how much of this is tanking, Tim?
	Yep.
	You know, a lot of it's tanking.
	I mean, if you look at it over the years, the NBA hasn't been able to get rid of tanking.
	So it's something that they have to figure out.
	They have a lot of issues at hand between gambling and tanking and these players sitting out during the end of the year.
	So I think the NBA is really in a lot of trouble with a lot of different things and they need to work some things out or this league's going to fall apart.
	To be like the 70s again before Bird and Magic and Jordan became a part of the league.
	It's funny because if you notice when they brought Michael back to do the show that he's doing, is that a part of, hey, we kind of need the attention back?
	We need somebody to excite the generation?
	Who knows?
	But Tim, appreciate you for taking the time.
	I know probably everybody's reaching out to ask you.
	I saw you on News Nation as well.
	So appreciate you again for taking the time, buddy.
	You got it, pal.
	Anytime.
	Appreciate you calling me.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	So here's what Stephen A had to say about this.
	Rob, if you want to play this, because Stephen A had a completely different take on this.
	And by the way, when I said Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, go to that?
	That's three days ago.
	So he knew he was coming.
	And he went on McAfee and he talked about legalized betting to monitor.
	So nobody knew why Adam Silver all of a sudden is going on Pat McAfee.
	And then two days later, Cash does what he does.
	But here's what First Take Stephen A had to say in regards to this.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	For one incident after another, have I said Trump is coming?
	He's coming.
	I'm going to say it on national television again.
	Bad Bunny is performing at the Super Bowl, and all of a sudden, you're hearing ICE is going to be there.
	Looking to engage in mass deportations.
	The Super Bowl disrupting things.
	Big night for the NBA, when Bianca put on a show.
	That has now been smeared because we're talking about this story.
	Okay.
	Remember, Trump has a long, long history connected to the world of sports because he had those casinos.
	Where do you think folks will come in half the time?
	I'm not talking about individuals.
	I'm talking about the culture.
	When people want to go to a casino, when people want to gamble, when people want to party or whatever the case may be, this was his kind of connection to that.
	Why am I glad you're here, Monica?
	Because don't be surprised if the WNBA is next on his list.
	Because when you've got all of these protests that have been going out there and people that have been protesting against him and what have you, this man is coming.
	He's coming.
	And I've been saying it for a long time.
	And to me, this is the latest nugget of evidence that we're talking about right here.
	That's not to question the legitimacy of the case.
	We don't know.
	We're all sitting up here and we're saying he continues to say he's coming to the NBA, to WNBA, to NFL, to this, to a few different things.
	Vinny, where are you at with what Stephen A said?
	Listen, with all due respect, and I know he's probably going to make a video going, Vinny, I don't give a what you think.
	I hear you, Vinny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I love it.
	I love Stephen A. Like, no joke to death pat, but this is a horrible, horrible take to think that Donald Trump, with all the stuff that he has going on, he is out there going, hey, go after the NBA and make a case.
	No, no, no.
	Give me a freaking break.
	You know why Kash Patel is involved?
	Because the mafia is involved.
	The Lucchese, Gambino, Genovese, Bonano.
	And by the way, let's just, let's all talk.
	This didn't start under Trump, Stephen A.
	This started under the Autopen administration.
	This happened two years ago, and they're building a case.
	My beef is, listen, I'm not saying I can care less, but sports schmorts, all right?
	Virginia Guffray, her book came out where she's saying, well-known prime minister and all these billionaires raped, sex trafficked, beat her, bloody, nobody, sports, sports.
	That's the real problem.
	And you know what?
	When it comes to it, I understand why Stephen A has to take this point.
	I understand.
	Tom, who owns ESPN?
	Didn't.
	Disney.
	Who's his boss?
	I agree.
	Let me ask you another question, Tom.
	Did you know that guess who just signed a deal recently with the NBA from 2025-26 season to 2035 to 2036, 11 years, $76 billion?
	Take a wild guess, Tom.
	Yeah, ESPN that's currently sitting in the office going, man, I don't know.
	Disney.
	Yeah, Disney.
	So I get it that he has to have this attitude, but to have to say that Trump is purposely doing this to go after it, that's a stretch.
	Do not get me wrong.
	I want Trump to go after everybody, meaning the Brennans, the Obamas, the Hillary, the Comeys.
	Good.
	I want that.
	I want accountability.
	I want retribution because we deserve it.
	But to have this, bro, this goes back to the mafia.
	This goes back to sports.
	What clip do you have?
	What clip do you have of the way they were doing this?
	Do we have that?
	This is a POV through the glasses of how, because Chauncey and all these guys are accused of cheating and poker.
	These are the glasses that have been.
	$70 million.
	Watch this.
	These are the glasses.
	Looking through the glasses of how you can look at the card.
	Ready for this?
	You wear sunglasses at the table.
	Look at that crap.
	Stop.
	Look at that.
	You're cooked.
	You're cooked.
	There's a king.
	That's a three.
	That's a queen.
	You know who's betting.
	You know who's going all.
	You know everything.
	You know what cards they have in their hands.
	Okay.
	And mind you, but again, put the Trump crap aside for two seconds.
	Everybody wants to go to Trump.
	Imagine all the livelihoods gone.
	Somebody that was like, oh, they're going to win.
	They're going to win.
	And you're cheating like that.
	They're throwing freaking games.
	Is this where ESPN took off the ESPN bet?
	This is during the, can we play this, Rob?
	Can we play ESPN?
	Oh, look, watch this on the bottom right.
	ESPN bet.
	They're talking about betting.
	And then all of a sudden, boom, they take it off.
	This is huge.
	This is huge.
	But again, going back to Trump, everything has to go to Trump.
	Did they break the law?
	Hold on.
	Did they break the law?
	Okay, we're going to all find out.
	Was there cheating?
	Was there happening?
	If it's a yes, stop this Trump nonsense.
	Come on.
	Move on.
	And good if he's coming.
	If they broke the law, good.
	Did you see Cash's response to Stephen A?
	Yeah, play Cash's response.
	Did you see Cash's response?
	But it's just a weak argument.
	It's come on.
	I'm at Stephen A., but Cash came out, buddy.
	No, come on.
	While you're pulling it up, I can summarize it.
	He goes, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.
	I've heard some dumb things.
	That is the dumbest accusation ever.
	You have it?
	Yeah, this is it.
	Hey, down the street.
	By the way, this was so wild.
	Stephen A. Smith, the sports commentator, suggested that this was revenge from the president for all the kind of left-wing activism of the NBA.
	Your response to that, 15 seconds.
	I'm the FBI director.
	I decide which arrests to conduct and which not to conduct.
	That may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard out of anyone in modern history.
	And I live most of my time in Washington, D.C.
	It's right up there with Adam Schiff.
	We arrest people for crimes.
	I mean, let me ask you a question.
	Adam, catch you an honest question.
	I'll give you my question.
	Do you think, do you think, because yeah, LeBron, all them, BLM, bashing him, Popovich, everybody talking shit and bashing Trump for all the years, do you think this was like on a list of stuff?
	And Trump said, yeah, you know what?
	Why don't you just know?
	Okay, so that's what I'm saying.
	Like, like Trump, with all the shit that he's doing, with all the peace deals, with the border, with tariffs, he's sitting there worrying about the NBA.
	Bro, this is scraps.
	This is scraps.
	But this is still something serious where there's money involved and the mafia is back.
	Oh, yeah.
	What did everybody think?
	The mafia, like you said, they retired.
	You think all the families went, oh, because Giuliani came and did all this.
	No, no, those families are still around and they're still doing their.
	TV, I want to get your perspective on the mafia for sure.
	I don't know if you spoke with Michael or Sam or these guys, but let me give you my perspective on the NBA.
	And I'm spoken with some NBA friends of mine.
	And, you know, the NBA stands for National Basketball Association.
	It also stands for no betting allowed, which nobody abides by.
	You know, you talk about bringing Michael Jordan back.
	This is the worst time to bring Michael Jordan back because the one blemish on his career was the alleged gambling thing that he did that led him to baseball for a few years.
	So that's very interesting.
	But the NBA definitely has a culture of gambling problem.
	Here's Shaq right here basically saying, listen, someone played 19 seasons in the league.
	I have teammates in Vegas, and they clarified.
	I don't think I want to sit up here and be hypocritical about certain things.
	We've been on teams.
	We played cards.
	We played spades.
	We played Tonk.
	I don't want to sit up here and act like I'm some perfect guy.
	And then I'll go to Vegas and I'll play some craps.
	There's nothing wrong with gambling.
	The problem is where it gets sort of like masqueraded as like, what's right, what's wrong?
	What can you do?
	What can you not do?
	And then you have things like fan duel.
	You have things like DraftKings.
	You have fantasy.
	It's all sort of intermingled into the culture of sports and sports betting.
	But if I can be specific about Trump, the reason that Trump has no involvement in this is because there's been two separate operations ongoing for years.
	The one operation, which Chauncey Phillips is involved with, is called Operation Royal Flush.
	And the mafia was involved in that.
	We can discuss that.
	The second investigation was something called Operation Nothing But Net, which is the Terry Roger and the Damon Jones thing, which is basically take the under in the bet because this guy ain't going to do so good tonight.
	But the thing with Chauncey, it's interesting.
	You talked about it's all these like run by the mafia, these x-ray glasses, these special things that are going on, these signals.
	Chauncey, it would seem to me, by the way, if you ask me who my top five ever players ever, Chauncey would be in my top five.
	Isaiah Thomas, Chauncey Phillips, D-Wade, straight up.
	Miami and Detroit.
	Chauncey was nothing more than a bait of allure to get famous or sorry, rich people to play in this game.
	In my opinion, I could be totally wrong.
	Chauncey is a complete pawn here.
	They said, come to the game.
	They call it a face card.
	We're going to bring someone like Chauncey to come in.
	Like you said, you played with Vince Vaughn or what do you, all these people, these names.
	So all these rich people, believe me, nobody's broke at this table.
	You're paying $10,000 hands, $50,000 hands.
	You're losing $10 million and you come back the next night.
	Some of these guys were excited to lose to a famous person like Chauncey.
	That's the whole operation.
	It was rigged.
	It was fixed.
	The second thing is a little weirder because now you're talking about actual players in actual games who are doing things potentially that are hindering the game.
	So Terry's one thing.
	And I know Terry plays.
	We've already addressed that.
	So we're going to be able to do that.
	Here's the thing with Damon Jones.
	We're rehashing the same thing three times.
	Well, I'll tell you where it gets weird here.
	Tell us.
	The thing with Damon Jones, do you know the one thing that you could say about Damon Jones's career?
	And most people have never even heard of him.
	What's that?
	He is a LeBron guy.
	He is as attached to LeBron as any player potentially.
	He played with Shaq in 2005, 2006, played for the Heat, leaves the Heat, goes place with LeBron, wins a championship.
	Sorry, goes to the finals with LeBron, I believe, in 2007.
	And then I believe he was one of the coaches on the championship.
	Make your point out of this.
	So the point is, don't be shocked if this goes all the way to LeBron.
	And I'm not saying LeBron had anything to do with it, but don't be shocked if LeBron's name comes up and whatever LeBron is working on trying to get a team in Vegas gets severely affected by his relationship with Damon Jones.
	Yeah, so the part where what Stephen A is saying is that I agree with is not that this is Trump's doing.
	Yeah, I think the investigation started two years ago and all of a sudden now it's coming up to a point like this.
	But the part with Trump, you know, with the FBI talking about this, when Tim Donaghy got caught, was it FBI going on the public and announcing it?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the case study is with that.
	But do I think Cash called and said, hey, here's what we just find out.
	Should we do a press conference or not do a press conference?
	Do I think Trump would say do a press conference?
	Yeah, I think Trump would say do a press conference.
	You think Cash is doing that press conference without getting approval by Trump?
	No way in the world.
	Trump's going to give the approval on that press conference.
	And on top of that, with the whole thing when, you know, Trump NBA finals, everything that was going on with COVID, all that stuff that they did.
	Yeah, all that BLM and, you know, end racism bullshit that they kept reigniting racism.
	Yeah, I think that part, remember, LeBron called the president a bum.
	Bum.
	Don't forget that.
	LeBron called the president a bum.
	Okay?
	A bum.
	So guess what?
	You know, yeah, the president has a very quick, long memory.
	He's going to remember when you said that.
	You know, a bum after Steph Curry.
	Is this Snopes or where are you on, Rob?
	Is this BBC?
	BBC.
	There you go.
	Yeah, he called him a bum after the whole Steph Curry thing.
	So great.
	If that's what you want to do, Michael never did that.
	Kobe never did that.
	Magic never did that.
	You're the first one that wants to do it.
	You're the face of the leak and you're using the ME to do this.
	No wonder today I'm in the car talking to my guy and my guy is saying the fact that he can't wait for the date that LeBron retires and leaves the game.
	You know, he made the game worse for the NBA.
	So I think that part with Trump, you make Trump an enemy?
	I saw a clip yesterday of Dana White.
	I love what Dana says.
	I fully relate to what Dana White said.
	He says, I am a very good friend, very good friend.
	I'm a very good person to be friends with.
	But if you want to be my enemy, I'm also very good at that.
	You want to be an enemy of Trump?
	He will never, ever forget until he gets his vengeance or an apology.
	One of the two.
	The apology quick, you move on.
	And the NBA has not been friends with Trump.
	Let's face it.
	The NBA has not been that friendly to him.
	So in that part of the context, I do think there's something there that the president wouldn't be happy about it.
	But anyways, let's go to the next story here on what's going on with this.
	Tom, I'm going to come to you with this one: is the ballroom, okay?
	But play the clips with the ballroom, Rob.
	So the East Wing at the White House, they demolished it.
	And people are losing their mind of what's going on over here.
	Oh, my God.
	Look what he's doing.
	He's doing it with the taxpayer money.
	Rob, if you have any of these clips here that you're going through, you know, who is paying for Trump's White House ballroom, page 10.
	You know, there's these clips.
	Is this him, by the way?
	The Trump comments.
	So everybody's like, he's going to be doing this.
	And then all of a sudden, here's what the president had to say.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	I thought I'd bring this out because this is going to be probably the finest ballroom ever built.
	And we're doing it.
	No cost to the country.
	It's being put, the money is being put in by me and donors, very great patriots, actually.
	And the spirit on the building of it is amazing.
	We are using little sections of footings and various other things, but that's sort of irrelevant.
	In order to do it properly, we had to take down the existing structure.
	The way it was shown, it looked like we were touching the White House.
	We don't touch the White House.
	That's a bridge, Atlas Bridge, going from the White House to the ballroom.
	Then you get into the lobby of the ballroom, and then you go into the magnificent, the main room.
	And it's something that has gotten incredible reviews.
	Okay, so that's let me read this to you.
	So it's a $250 million project.
	Mystery continues to swirl around the identities of the wealthy donors of corporations paying for groundbreaking for the Ornate.
	90,000 square foot project began on Monday with excavators and construction workers tearing up portions of the East Wing.
	The president has said that he personally will pay for it.
	The funding model has sparked concerns among some legal experts who say it may amount to paying for access to the administration.
	I view an Ermist ballroom as an ethics nightmare.
	Richard Payne or a former chief ethics lawyer in Bush's White House between 05 and 07 told the BBC it's using access to the White House to raise money.
	I don't like it.
	He added, these corporations all want something from the government.
	A dinner for potential donors held at the White House on October 15, included senior executives of prominent U.S. companies, including Blackstone, OpenAI, Microsoft, Coinbase, Valentir, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and others.
	So that's what they're saying.
	Now, some people, by the way, if you can show what it looks like, Rob, the construction that it started, there's actually, if you see it, I mean, they're already going.
	Yeah, it's not even a, you know.
	Oh, there it is.
	Yeah, right there.
	It's not even something that is like, they're thinking about doing it in 2026.
	They're thinking about doing it in 2028.
	Nope.
	They're at it.
	And you just have to picture what they're thinking about building right there.
	So the demolition is taking place on the East Wing over there.
	And while this is happening, everybody, President Trump is doing this to the White House.
	Tom, shared this with us.
	If you go to whitehouse.gov/slash renovations, this is what you will see on the White House website.
	I mean, this is like the ultimate troll.
	This man is using the White House website to troll other people.
	Watch this.
	Brace for if you're driving, pull over.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	So that's rebuilding.
	Rebuilding after World War 8-12.
	Thank you, British.
	Edition of South Port Eco.
	Okay, edition of North Port.
	South Portugal.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	Keep going.
	Very nice.
	Westwood.
	So far, everything is good.
	Yeah, office.
	Oval Office.
	They've always been building Oval.
	East Wing.
	Beautiful.
	Total reconstruction.
	Nice.
	The briefing room.
	The Clanto scandal.
	Mother Brothers.
	Obama.
	King discovered Trans Day of Visibility.
	North and South.
	Ozger renovations.
	Oval Office renovations.
	East Wing renovations.
	He is the funniest guy ever.
	He just trolled these people.
	The fact is, everybody forgets when Obama tore up a corner of what was out there because he wanted a better basketball court.
	And some planners.
	Richard Nixon put a bowling alley down in the basement where there was some other office areas.
	Things were moved around.
	The one thing that's been constant about the White House, it's been an evolving state of change.
	For security, there were these rumors that there is a large underground that's been built there, Bunker, because they said there was all this dirt coming out and there was this area they've been working on, working on, working on.
	And by the way, if there's the secure room and that down underneath, you know what?
	Then American people, we need that.
	We need to protect the guy when we've got war.
	But change has been constant.
	Improvement has been constant.
	Nobody is talking about the objective discussions when Obama and Biden had tents because more and more people are coming to events.
	They put tents on the lawn like the Goldberg bar mitzvah on Fisher Island.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	You were there?
	Yes, I was there.
	I gave Irving the envelope first kid.
	So it's basically, you've got these, and people were saying at the time, can't we do something better?
	But guess what?
	Did it get headlines in the news?
	No.
	This is actually what happened when Obama did it for 376.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Sounds like they're building another wing to the White House, but we appreciate you keeping it.
	You can't even imagine, TJ.
	It's going to happen for the next two years.
	All of the banging, the jackhammering, the dust, the confusion, the noise of all places to do construction is happening right here, the front lawn of the White House.
	Gushing.
	Yes.
	It's a four-year renovation project.
	Estimated cost $376 million.
	Taxpayer.
	That is not your building.
	You don't own that building.
	That is the people's building.
	You like that.
	That's Whitney.
	Okay.
	And by the way, I think that's the view.
	That's the view talking about Trump right now.
	And the clips everyone saw was all the renovation that Obama did.
	But I think what's appropriate is where Don Jr. here reminds Hillary Clinton, that's not your spoon.
	Bring it back to the White House.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Here we go.
	Democrats freaking out about it is absolutely insane.
	I think the greatest irony that I saw in all of this was Hillary Clinton talking about it being the people's house.
	Hillary Clinton, who with her husband literally had to return furniture and silverware that they stole from the White House.
	That was actually the property of the people.
	They took it with them after their term.
	They had to return it because people caught them stealing the furniture.
	She's the one that's leading the charge, complaining about this thing.
	It's absolutely nuts.
	This is for the betterment of the property.
	It costs the American taxpayer nothing.
	And it's going to add value, not just to my father's presidency, but to every president after him, because it's going to take some time to build.
	The reality is every president after him will get much more use and much more benefit from this incredible addition to the White House.
	Donald Trump, Donald, the president has them jumping from here.
	And by the way, Obama's was in 2009 almost $400 million of taxpayer money during a recession.
	Mind you, Trump is doing this with his money and his donor money.
	Everyone has done something.
	Point one, point two.
	This time it's costing the taxpayers zero.
	Zero money.
	So just cry me a freaking river.
	You know what the Democrats should be doing?
	Give the spoon back.
	Yeah, you know what Democrats should be doing, Tom?
	How about open up the government again?
	Okay.
	Hakeem Jeffries, everybody has something to say.
	People like my sister are literally home, furloughed, not getting paid, and they voted yesterday not to pay them anything.
	Your sister is a government hardworking IRS.
	She works for freaking the Space Force, and she's unemployed right now.
	She's sitting around because these idiots, this is what they worried about.
	He's doing construction.
	It's the people.
	How about shut up, get back in there, and open up the government?
	That's what matters, Pat.
	I don't give.
	Again, this is a nothing burger.
	Who gives a damn?
	Let him make it better.
	Okay, he's making it better for the next president.
	Hopefully it'll never be another Democrat, but we know it's going to happen.
	But look, this is them.
	They shut down yesterday again, and they refuse to pay the people that are not working for the government.
	It's just stupid.
	Adam.
	Stupid.
	Well, listen, just when I thought someone was going to give Trump a little bit of credit after the Middle East peace deal, just a little bit of glimmer of hope of actually being conciliatory and some reconciliation and actually giving credit where credit's due, you know, they just end up doing a 180 and complete crap.
	That's why they're screaming.
	Yeah.
	If there's one thing, if there's one thing that you can at least give Trump credit for, whether you're political, apolitical, doesn't matter, the dude builds nice things.
	I mean, we've stayed at Trump Hotel.
	We've been to Trump Tower.
	We've spent time at Mar-a-Lago.
	Whether you like him or not, every single one of his properties is ridiculous.
	Five-star to the fullest extent.
	It may have some gold toilets, but there's nothing wrong with that.
	The dude knows how to build.
	So the fact that he's leading the charge on building a potential wave.
	He knows what he's doing.
	He knows that this is a space.
	Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
	But Tom's Forewoman?
	She's actually leading the charge.
	I heard about this guy.
	I don't want to bring it up.
	You don't want to talk about it.
	What is this?
	This was something that actually Tony Robbins, when he was on stage at the vault, talked about the vitriol and the trolling that's going on in our politics.
	He goes, guys, you think this is new?
	You think Trump invented this?
	And I don't know if you could punch in a little bit.
	He said, our campaigns have always been this ugly.
	And he gives this story about how I think it was Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, I believe.
	He's in Pokemon.
	John Adams is busy saying, if you elect Thomas Jefferson, murder, robbery, rape, incest, and adultery will be practiced throughout the land.
	That's on the left side.
	We got to practice to get it right.
	Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames, your female chastity violated, or your children writhing on the pike?
	This is what John Adams said about Thomas Jefferson.
	And then Thomas Jefferson said, John Adams, on the other hand, is importing his busy importing mistresses from Europe or trying to marry one of his sons to the daughter of King George.
	It's a hideous form of character and neither the force or firmness of a man nor the gentleness of the sensibility of a woman.
	So they're basically saying, you're murdering, you're raping.
	So we've seen this very difficult.
	You have to get it on a piece of paper.
	So anybody who's like, oh my God, I can't believe Trump is doing this.
	I guess this is sort of written in our DNA as Americans.
	So the founding fathers had trash truck games.
	Yeah.
	Trolling.
	That's true.
	Tom, when you voted for Thomas Jefferson, why did you vote for Jefferson Pritzker?
	I was a year too young for that.
	I was down the hall in the restroom when they were saying these things.
	Let's go to the next story.
	Next story I want to get to is here's Brett Baer confronting Governor J.B. Pritzker from Chicago, from Illinois over Chicago having the highest murder rate.
	And his response, Brett is almost confused.
	Like, what do you mean you're not even in the top 30?
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Chicago have the highest murder rate of all the big cities.
	Well, we are not in the top 30 in terms of our murder rate.
	Indeed, our murder rate has been cut in half over the last four years.
	And every year it's gone down by double digits.
	And if you look at all of the violent crime over the last four years, they've all gone down.
	They're all in U.S. cities, 17.47 per 100,000 population.
	Chicago is number one over three times LA.
	It's just in Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Los Angeles, New York, and San Diego.
	What I'm explaining to you is that you're talking about violent crime.
	Look, you can pull statistics up.
	These are murders.
	I'm explaining to you that you can do stats all you want.
	And very importantly, Brett, and you got to hear this.
	Very importantly, we've been doing the things that are necessary to bring crime down, right?
	We've invested in community violence interruption.
	Well, you notice that?
	So if he cut it in half, and now it's that 17, you're all 40 points.
	Like, this guy's a joke.
	He's a joke.
	You know, this is words, talk, number, scream.
	And this is when a politician doesn't want to talk about those numbers.
	I'd rather talk about these numbers.
	You know, murders, you're still number one.
	No, no, no.
	And what he wanted to do, and folks during election year always listened to the numbers very, very carefully.
	He wanted to change the dialogue to talk about violent crime and say, well, that's gone down as a parry to come back and say Brett was wrong.
	But it's not.
	The numbers are screaming.
	It's hanging around J.B. Pritzker's neck.
	This is something.
	Now, if they've improved it, good, but not good enough.
	Adam, thoughts?
	I don't remember who was saying the other day, but it was a very insightful take on maybe the difference between a Gavin Newsom and a J.B. Pritzker.
	I forget who it was, and I'll give him credit.
	150 pounds.
	What's that?
	You said, what's the difference between the two?
	That's true.
	That's it.
	That's the end of the joke.
	They said, you have to understand something about Newsom.
	Newsom's playing the political game.
	If he thinks it's politically expedient to go left, he'll go left.
	He'll go right.
	He'll change his position.
	He'll flip-flop.
	He goes, J.B. Pritzker is a true, true progressive believer.
	There's no reframing him.
	He's a billionaire who's basically a progressive.
	Maybe Mark Benioff.
	I don't know who else would fall in this category, but he didn't earn the money.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	I could be wrong on this.
	J.B. Pritzker is part of the Pritzker legacy billionaire Hyatt family that I believe was started by his grandfather.
	J.B. Pritzker, I don't think he had to really work a day in his life to get this kind of money.
	This is hand-me-down from family, and I'm sure he's done his thing to amplify the money.
	But I'm interested when you're a billionaire, but you're also a far, far, far left progressive.
	I don't understand that novelty right there.
	Yeah, as a member of the Pritzker family, a wealthy-owned business, family goes back decades, family significantly.
	Adam, where are you going?
	I'm just saying that JB is not going to change.
	He is a firm, firm, firm believer in what he believes in.
	And this is just downstream that the murder rate in Chicago has been cut in half, but it's still top 10 in the league, if you ask.
	Maybe, maybe.
	I don't know if it has or hasn't.
	He didn't produce the numbers.
	That's just something he said.
	By the way, can you ask Grok, Rob, if on any one of the videos that Pritzker was on, go on any one of the videos?
	No, no, just go on any of the tweets that Pritzker is saying, what he's saying.
	Somebody probably said, Grock, is this true that it's split in half right there?
	Can you go to that and then go to bottom?
	I guarantee you somebody put Grok, is this true or not?
	And somebody probably just put at Grok.
	That's what you want to find.
	So what I'm trying to find out is, okay, so if you're not seeing it, can you just take that clip and then put it in Grok and ask, is it true that this happened or no?
	Is it true that the crime rate in Illinois split in half based on what Pritzker is saying?
	Murder rate.
	He said the murder rate.
	Because what is going to be interesting for me is 2027.
	I can't wait to see the primary on the Democratic side.
	Like, how are they going to hold each other accountable?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I can't wait to see the Democratic.
	Rob, are you asking Grok or I am?
	I'm looking.
	I'm trying to upload the clip, and I can just do this.
	What do you mean, hold each other accountable?
	And the words I agree with there, Pat, is each other, because there's going to be a ton of them on stage throwing mud.
	Oh, we have to upload the clip.
	Yeah, it was asking me to, but here, I'm just going to fact-check it with Grok with the tweet.
	Yeah, it's probably the fastest way to do it because when these guys are on stage, Pritzker's on stage, Newsom's on stage, AOC may be on stage, a couple of the other people are going to be on stage.
	What are they going to be saying?
	Like, how are they going to call each other out?
	It's going to be a softball interview.
	Are they going to go for each other's throat?
	I'm assuming they will.
	They have to, right?
	They don't have the choice to do it.
	So in this thing, if you look at LA crime versus Chicago, Chicago is three times L.A. Do you see that?
	Chicago was 17.7.
	It was 4.6.
	Yeah, LA was 6.5 or something like that.
	Finally, some good news out of California.
	Yeah, it's going to be interesting when they go after the debate and how they do it.
	But if Pritzker keeps these numbers like this by 2027, 2028, and it doesn't improve, it may work against him.
	By the way, even if Trump goes with National Guard on Chicago and they help clear the stats, it's only going to help him in the election for 2027.
	I don't know if that makes sense or not.
	So say Trump, no, government personal claim that murder rain has been cut in half is inaccurate, whether referring to Chicago or the state of Illinois as a whole.
	I'll break you down with data below.
	So go to 2009, 500, 18.5, 2020, 28, 9, 29, 5, 26, 5, 22, 8, 21, 2.
	And there is nothing in there.
	So go a little bit lower, population, 2.7.
	So the peak 28.
	It dropped 21.4 out of 100,000.
	Pritzker's administration highlights progress of the pandemic, but cut in half, Frays, overstates the reduction since he took office in 2019, 16% higher than it was in 2019, pre-pandemic.
	And so nothing about what he said there was true.
	Pat, is JB considered true.
	That family goes deep.
	That family, for anybody that's read Whitney Webb's books, bro, the One Nation on their Blackmail, the Pritzker family goes back.
	I'm curious, Rob, is Thomas Pritzker the guy that was alleged by Virginia Guffray for getting traffic and forced to have sex with her?
	Is that the cousin of Thomas Pritzker, Virginia Goufre, JB?
	Is that the same family?
	Pritzker?
	I mean, how many Pritzkers are there?
	Is that the same Pritzker that I think she said that she was forced?
	This is her words, God rest her soul, that Thomas Pritzker documents were unsealed.
	Yeah, Virginia Guffre.
	Oh, okay.
	So that's the family.
	That's where his family is.
	It's a Hyatt family.
	Yeah, but I mean, still, that's still his.
	I just keep hearing that name, like through blackmail and the history of the country and Virginia Goufre and sex trafficking.
	And then this guy with his attitude and, you know, making $1.4 million in Vegas going, yeah, I just wanted the best run in the history of, come on.
	I just clicked on my view, and I think you probably want to move on, but I agree with you.
	The first four primaries are going to be, if the order stays and they don't manipulate the order of primaries, Democrat primaries will be New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada.
	In New Hampshire, it's all about liberal values.
	In Iowa, it's all about the economy and the plight of the farmer.
	In South Carolina, it was about crime and tax.
	And in Nevada, it was about the overall economy.
	So the first thing you're going to see, they don't even get to a blue state where I have to talk about some of this, Pat.
	So in other words, they're just going to be spinning in BS for those first four primaries.
	And then suddenly, they're going to have a head-on collision with reality coming into states where people care about crime and immigration.
	And good luck.
	You better have an answer when that shows up.
	Back to your point, Vinny.
	J.B. Pritzker, I think, is the richest, wealthiest elected official in the country.
	And downstream of that is, has anything been more corrupt from what we heard about coming out of Chicago?
	Whether it was the Senate seat in Obama, whether it was our friend Blagojevich, the former governor who served some time in jail, Rob Amanda.
	Voter early and often.
	Yeah, so Chicago is as corrupt as it gets.
	And here's just sort of downstream of where that sort of stems from.
	Okay, so let's go to page 11 here on the next story I want to get to is this is exactly this is going to be a two-part story I'll get into.
	This is exactly when Christianity will be toppled as religious majority in America as Islam rises.
	Daily Mail story for decades, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance was a daily reminder that the U.S. was one nation under God, but the Christian faith that once defined American values is on track to lose its majority status by 2070.
	According to a Pew Research, 62% of Americans say they're Christians now compared to around 90% in 1970.
	Damn, that is a 28% drop off.
	If the current trend continues, Pew projects it could fall to 46% by 2070, a decline that has Pastor Brent Madras and other religious leaders sounding the alarm.
	Madras of Hometown Hope Ministries called for an urgent call for church renewal on his blog, warning that Christian communities have taken their highs, eyes off the ball.
	The decline comes from as other religions, most notably Islam, continue to grow in the U.S. There are roughly 100,000 more Islams annually.
	While there are around 2 million fewer Christians, Muslims still remain a small minority with around 4 million followed compared to 200 million Christians, but their commitments are shaping differently on the ground.
	The number of mosques increased 31% from 2010 to 2020, from 2106 to 2769, according to the Islamic Resource Center.
	Meanwhile, roughly 1,500 Christian churches closed during that same period.
	Islam's growth in the U.S. being fueled by Muslims currently has a younger median age of 35 versus 54 for Christians, suggesting youth adherence could accelerate the religion growth in 2017.
	The center estimated immigration was also involved driving the boom.
	And in February, CBS found that tens of thousands of Americans in prison convert to Islam every year.
	Adam, thought.
	Well, Christians, I'm rooting for you guys.
	Because if you don't wake up and actually get it together, there's a little religion that's started in the Middle East around 600-something AD.
	And they're coming for you, buddy.
	Because what I will respect about Islam, they are not shy.
	They will tell you straight to your face on a microphone in public, we are coming.
	We're trying to take over.
	We're trying to do Sharia law.
	We're trying to do jihad.
	We're coming to take your churches and turn them into mosques.
	They've said it on camera with a microphone.
	It's not a secret.
	So for me, you see Islam rising, Christianity fading, and everyone wants to focus on the Jews who are less than 1% of the world.
	So to me, I would love to see Christians have a revival.
	We've seen sort of a stopgap with people after Charlie Kirk, what happened?
	God forbid, you know, God bless.
	Going to church again, reading the Bible again, becoming more religious.
	But the trend was going so far down that it almost had to stop at some point.
	But America is a Christian country founded on Judeo-Christian values.
	And I think a lot of people have issues with things like the call to prayer five times a day.
	Texas Governor Abbott just banned Sharia law.
	You're going to start seeing these things pop up.
	The most tangible, palpable thing that bothers me is when you have someone like Ilhan Omar, a Somalian Muslim, attack the president of the United States or attack someone like Charlie Kirk and said that he will be forgotten in the dustpins of history.
	To me, that is so disrespectful and disgusting.
	And she has the right to do that because she married her brother or something happened and now she's a singing congressman in little Mogadishu, Somalia, Minnesota.
	But that is the prime example of what people are scared of in the United States.
	Someone like Ilhan Omar running the country over someone like Charlie Kirk.
	And it is concerning.
	I think that stat is actually right, Pat.
	And it's not because Islam is taking over.
	It's because Christians stopped fighting for what they believed in.
	Okay.
	It gets me sick to my stomach that we help everybody all over the world.
	BLM goes in the streets for a freaking junkie crackhead who held a gun to a pregnant girl's stomach, burned down the whole city.
	But when you have actually black lives getting murdered and massacred in Nigeria, where are they at?
	Where's the marching?
	Where's the burning down?
	Where's the attitude?
	Okay.
	And look around, Pat.
	I know we see it.
	God is erased in everything.
	Every time you talk about God, it's out of schools.
	It's out of courts.
	Like people used to bow their heads at games and stuff like that.
	Now they just bow their knees for that woke BS.
	Okay.
	And we got, like, you have a Muslim guy that's about to take over New York.
	You talked about Minneapolis.
	Okay.
	They're getting swallowed by moral decay.
	And still Christians, what are they doing, Tom?
	Just quiet.
	And let's be clear, guys.
	Islam is not the problem.
	Like you said, their people are committed.
	They pray, they teach, they sin.
	The problem is us.
	It's the Christians who've been ashamed of their own faith, okay?
	The ones who are too afraid to speak up because they're busy chasing comfort instead of conviction.
	And I'm telling you, Pat, that number, and again, people are like, well, you guys are going to be dead.
	Who gives a damn?
	No, no, that's not.
	If we don't stand up now, if we don't stand up now, I'm telling you, your kids and your kids' kids are going to be screwed.
	Done deal.
	54, 35.
	That's the age difference, which means they're younger like Mamdanis.
	There's a bunch of Mamdanis that are coming up that they're going to be inspiring more Mamdanis and gradually taking over the number one financial capital in the world, New York City, which is quite of a big deal.
	Can you imagine if you were a strategist for Muslim church and you said, I want to find a way to take over America, what city should we target?
	Why don't we target the financial capital of the world?
	New York City.
	And they're about to get it.
	Yep.
	So guess what?
	Whoever that strategist was, you're doing a great job.
	You're making progress.
	Here's Mehdi Hassan, a story by Daily Caller in the Tom.
	I'm going to come to you on this story.
	Mehdi Hassan has a tantrum as Americans inform him they don't want Islamic call to prayer in their neighborhoods.
	This is a daily caller story.
	Rob, if you want to play the clip, here's Mehdi Hassan.
	I think that if you can play church bells, you can pray the call to prayer.
	We are as American as anyone else, and don't take any BS from anyone.
	Okay, that's such a good question.
	That was a short clip.
	Do you have a longer clip of that?
	That was the only clip that I could find.
	Oh, no, there's a one-minute version of that on that clip that I think it's good for everybody to see because I want him to say the rest of it so you kind of hear where he's going with that.
	But former MSM is Mary Assan lashed out on Americans against the defense of Islamic Prayer.
	The Islamic Call to Prayer is broadcast five times daily and serves as a prominent auditory reminder of faith across Muslim communities.
	Hassan went on extended rant on X blasting that he called right-wing intolerance and claiming Muslim Americans face growing hostility from conservatives.
	I think that if you can play church bells, Hassan can be heard saying in a video that was circulated on social media, Republican Texas Representative Brandon Gil quoted a video showing Hassan making those comments on the same day, sparking an exchange between two Hassan responded by pointing out that Gil's wife is Indian American and the daughter of an immigrant, the congressman father-in-law's prominent Christian conservative documentary filmmaker Dinesh DeSouse.
	Gil, in return, responded to Hassan, pointing out that his wife is a Christian who doesn't want to hear your oppressive Muslim prayer calls.
	So is that the longest one you see, Rob?
	There's not a longer one on that.
	Is that it?
	Tom, where are you at with this?
	What are you thinking with this?
	So if you look at the numbers and you draw a chart, you get exactly the conclusion that they're presenting.
	And really, you have to put in front of it: if the current trends continue at this date, you will have more Muslims, self-identified Muslims than self-identified Christians in America.
	Okay, yeah, you can draw it that way.
	But that means everything stays the same.
	But things aren't necessarily staying the same.
	A study by the Barner Group last year and the year before says that there are more youth conversions to Christ and Christianity in the U.S. than there are older people.
	But there is an older group.
	So the average age, as the article correctly points out, is higher.
	It's the war for the youth.
	And there are signs of definitive change coming, but we need to cultivate it.
	We need to encourage it.
	And we need to push it harder.
	And we need to be intentional about it.
	Five calls to prayer a day is very intentional.
	Getting those clerics and everything and pushing so hard on cities, that's very intentional.
	Christians need to be equally intentional.
	But what's very interesting is those younger generations are turning in greater numbers than the older generations.
	So if all holds constant, we're going to go there.
	We're going to go right where the article says.
	But if we have to drive and we have to be as intentional and we have to be as caring, and why are we doing it?
	We're not doing it because we want more people to eat chicken versus beef and some arbitrary decision.
	That's not what it is.
	This is a war for eternity and a war for souls.
	And so if we want to be, you know, the Great Commission in Matthew 28, at the very, very last thing that Jesus says, go into all the world.
	He says, share my name, convert people, baptize them, and tell them everything as I've commanded you.
	And so he's like, go, make, baptize, teach, obey.
	Those are the verbs in Matthew 28.
	And so are we taking that seriously?
	Are we being intentional?
	Things are happening with the youth.
	Charlie Kirk was having a huge and positive impact on the youth.
	Perhaps the tragedy is like Romans 8:28.
	I will make good out of every situation for my own purposes.
	And it may not be good as you define it on earth.
	So if this, nothing changes, Pat, the article's right, but we have to be intentional and push.
	And there are things that are happening that we need to ride on and push even harder.
	And this is the Mehdi Assan who tweeted but took it down because he's a coward.
	Make American planes crash again.
	Do you remember that?
	This is who he is.
	And Mehdi, if you don't like it, and guess what?
	Your Muslim pair, guess what?
	Go back to England where you're from.
	That place is basically becoming just Muslim.
	If that's what you want, go there.
	This is a Christian nation, okay?
	Undone and standing.
	Yeah, no, no.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	Go do your nonsense over there and talking all that crap here.
	No, I'm not playing that game.
	Christians need to stand up, bro.
	And because they think, like, no, God will take care of it.
	No, no, it's our job.
	By the way, just basic data, Tom, nothing more, nothing less.
	Muslims are having more kids.
	Okay.
	Muslims are playing offense.
	Muslims are extremely intolerant.
	God forbid you say something about him.
	The guy in Dearborn said, I cannot wait for you to be kicked out of this city or leave the city.
	On that day, I will make a parade and celebrate and didn't even apologize about it, right?
	You remember that guy in Dearborn that's taking place?
	You got Ilhan Omar, you got Rashida Talib, you got Mandani, New York City.
	You pull up in other countries that are Muslim-majority countries, many of these countries, you can't run for office.
	You can't go become.
	But in America, we're a little bit too tolerant in this.
	And by the way, numbers work against you, fully work against you.
	If you want to be okay with this, it's inevitable that if they have more kids and more people come here and they're not like pro-America, like it's not like let me do what the Western way of doing business is.
	No, no, I want to impose my way of thinking.
	If you tolerate it, eventually there's going to be a fall.
	And what you're seeing right now with the UK will very simply happen here.
	The biggest challenge in life sometimes is you see somebody else is going through.
	So I'll never forget.
	One of my guys had a very public divorce and it was nasty.
	Another guy came up to me and he said, well, you see what happened?
	That was your boy.
	Look what he's doing.
	He was a Christian this.
	He was a Christian that.
	I told you all the stuff that the guys are saying about the other guy.
	Be careful.
	I said, be very careful bragging about the fact that you think you have a better life because it's going to come back to you.
	Exactly a couple of years later, the same thing happened to him.
	Exactly a couple years later, same thing happened to him.
	Life is a very weird thing.
	So if we're sitting here watching everything that's going on in the UK, it'll never happen to us 20, 30 years later.
	How the hell did it happen to you?
	Were you not blind?
	Did you not see what was taking place?
	Let's get to the next story here.
	Next story here I want to talk about is what's happening with China, Russia together.
	This is very interesting what's going on here.
	Trump, it was time for Russia sanctions.
	Putin meeting didn't feel right.
	Rob, I think you may have a clip on this one here, okay?
	And what this has to do with China is very important.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	We canceled the meeting with President Putin.
	It just didn't feel right to me.
	As you know, we are going to be making a big trip next week.
	Some of you are going with us.
	We'll be going to Malaysia, South Korea, and Japan.
	In South Korea, I'll be meeting with President Qi of China.
	We'll have a pretty long meeting scheduled.
	We can work out a lot of our questions and our doubts and our tremendous assets together.
	So we look forward to that.
	I think something will work out.
	We have a very good relationship, but that'll be a big one.
	We canceled the meeting with President Putin.
	It just didn't feel right to me.
	It didn't feel like we were going to get to the place we have to get, so I canceled it.
	But we'll do it in the future.
	Mr. President, did you say as recently as yesterday that you still believe that he wants to end the war?
	He took a step to rattle the sanctions and put a lot of pressure on it.
	What else are you going to do to encourage them to get there?
	Or can you explain why you do believe he wants peace?
	Yeah, it's a good question.
	Today is a very big day in terms of what we're doing.
	Look, these are tremendous sanctions.
	These are very big.
	Those are against their two big oil companies.
	And we hope that they won't be on for long.
	We hope that the war will be settled.
	I mean, listen, he's imposing, right?
	He's fully imposing with this.
	And Trump mentioned sanctions Russian oil companies as the peace talk stall.
	While he's doing this, everybody's wondering, saying, what's the big deal with this?
	Well, guess who they were selling oil to and who they were doing business with?
	Weird.
	Immediately, story comes out.
	Exclusive.
	China state oil majors suspend Russian oil buys due to sanctions.
	Weird.
	So now you went from what's going on with Russia to now China.
	And now China is saying, listen, Vladimir, I like you.
	We're friends.
	We're part of bricks.
	But dude, that guy's crazy.
	That guy is crazy on the other side.
	And I don't want to mess with him.
	And you better find a way to stop this war as well because he's making our life a living hell yeah.
	Telling you right now.
	Tom, what do you think is going on over here?
	I'll tell you what's going on right here.
	Scott Besson is over there that says, well, the big guy will be here next week.
	And I think we're going to talk about some trade things.
	And China's still playing the long game, Pat.
	They're still playing the long game.
	But the moves that are being made right here, they got to make some moves.
	And so there's what's called the big four in China.
	Petrochina, Sinopec, Sinok, and Zenhai.
	Those are the four big oil companies in China.
	Think of that as then you think of it this way, Chevron, Exxon, Mobile, and Shell.
	Okay.
	Like that, like in the U.S., right?
	You're like, well, you know, and by the way, Shell is Royal Dutch, but it's like the majors.
	They're like, no, we're not going to buy it.
	We're not going to buy it.
	Which means, what does Putin not have?
	Money.
	Because Putin's drilling for oil.
	Nobody's money.
	Selling it to China.
	Well, why does he need that?
	Well, so he can keep his economy going and he can keep the war going.
	And so this is a squeeze.
	And so what has happened here is next week in Korea, you're going to have Trump sit down with Z.
	And one of the things that they, and now Z, I think, wants to start on kind of a good note.
	So he's like, hey, you put the sanctions on them.
	We stop buying.
	Now, China is very weasel.
	And so they're not changing that.
	But they are definitely trying to make nice and to make things look a little bit good, Pat, in advance of sitting down with the big dog in Korea next week.
	That's what's going on.
	Adam.
	So here's what we've learned over the last handful of years in terms of this like alliance of deplorables, if you will.
	China is everybody's daddy.
	We thought that Iran was capable.
	Turns out that Iran ain't anything.
	I mean, they're done.
	We thought that Russia was a world superpower, especially militarily.
	They can't even beat Ukraine.
	China's the real boss.
	China's Russia's daddy.
	I believe that China buys almost 50% of the Russian oil.
	Let me give you a quick breakdown right here.
	Of China's Russian gas, 47% go to China.
	It's almost half Russia's business.
	A large percentage, 38%, go to India.
	And then you have another collectively 10, 12% that goes to the EU, that goes to Turkey, that goes to other things.
	We even heard Trump say, like, what the hell's wrong with the EU?
	You're buying Russian oil and you're helping to fund, bless you, PBD.
	You're helping to fund the war that you're fighting against.
	It makes no sense.
	But if China actually cuts off Russian oil and responds to these sanctions, this is where Russia makes their money.
	So they're the number one client of China when it comes to.
	And by the way, what this is showing is this is showing that one guy is calling all the shots in the world.
	And that's it.
	Everybody's calling.
	Phibi Netanyahu.
	The shot caller is Trump, period.
	The shot caller is Trump.
	Everybody is sitting there saying, you know, hey, we see Kissinger, Brandon and I were talking the other day, a couple days ago.
	This thing keeps hitting this, so maybe back up a little bit.
	Kissinger said, Brandon and I were talking about Kissinger.
	Kissinger said, between the two countries, Russia and China, you can't have all three be allies.
	Pick and choose one of them.
	It's two against one.
	It's never going to be all three together.
	So you have to either be UN pro China being together against Russia or UN Russia being together against China.
	Whether this is true strategic or not, it's indifferent.
	Saying the United States could not.
	Yeah, okay.
	No, you have to be either UN China and Russia is the enemy or UN Russia and China is the enemy.
	It's got to be like that.
	It's never going to happen where it's all three.
	You have to find a way to keep a little bit of the rivalry between the two.
	There it is.
	Yeah, U.S. sought to exploit the rivalry between the two adversaries, Soviet and the people of China in his own position.
	Triangular diplomacy, which refers to foreign policy approach, United States Nixon Kissinger Covalo.
	It's tough to do.
	So generally a little bit of a split between the two allows you to control more.
	And this just showed, because you know who's pissed off right now?
	Who's pissed off right now, China?
	Putin is.
	What are you doing?
	And what do you think Xi is saying?
	What do you want me to do?
	I need that guy.
	After they all have a summit and all walk down the path together, remember?
	And guess what?
	Guess what Trump comes out and says?
	Trump comes out and says, China doesn't want to invade Taiwan.
	Why would he say something like that?
	See what happens right now.
	Now he's siding with who?
	He's siding with China.
	Why is he siding with China?
	Because he's trying to get that tariff deal done as well.
	The way he is weaving and bobbing and what he does.
	Rob, go on and play that clip.
	Go for it.
	Potential likelihood or threat of President Xi ordering an invasion of Taiwan.
	Taiwan.
	2027 is also the year that the US is about to start rotating those U.S. and UK submarines.
	Do you see WAUKUS as the deterrent for China in the United States?
	Yeah, I do.
	I think it is, but I don't think we're going to need it.
	I think we'll be just fine with China.
	China doesn't want to do that.
	First of all, the United States is the strongest military power in the world by far.
	It's not even close.
	Not even close.
	We have the best equipment.
	We have the best of everything.
	And nobody's going to mess with it.
	We're the best.
	I don't see that at all with President Xi.
	I think we're going to get along very well as it pertains to Taiwan.
	And that doesn't mean it's not the apple of his eye, because probably it is.
	but I don't see anything happening.
	We have a very good...
	I'm shocked Trump didn't go, where are you from?
	I can't even understand what he's saying.
	Taiwan?
	All right.
	I was waiting for that.
	Tom.
	That's like me saying, you know, having, I know that I'm on a podcast and I'm talking to Vinny.
	And I say, you know, my daughter's boyfriend is a good guy, and I know he's coming over tonight.
	And I say, but, you know.
	You want me to come over, my guy?
	Yeah, I think he understands that you and me have got the biggest, most successful shooting club here in South Florida.
	And that we also have the Ninja Training Institute.
	He's aware of all these wonderful businesses we have.
	So I'm sure when he comes into the family, he's just going to be a great asset.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's exactly what it is.
	And so he sits there and he goes, hmm, better, if I get married to her, better not even yell in the kitchen.
	Ever, ever.
	So the thing is, this is the first time you're seeing, possibly ever.
	I mean, it's been around for a long time, but possibly ever, where a businessman is coming in, realizing all the leverages he has and doesn't have, and is using them all in his benefit.
	Every one of them he's using.
	And he's extremely patient with the way he's approaching it.
	Okay.
	Extremely patient with the way he's approaching it.
	To the point where Bill Ackman, $9 billion guy, comes out and says he is the best president we've ever had for business.
	Here's Bill Ackman.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	While we have you here, got to ask you about your take on just where we are in this economy and where we are in the markets.
	What do you think?
	We keep talking about, you know, we say there's a bubble in conversations around a bubble.
	Yeah.
	I would say there are a lot of positive, let me be optimistic for a moment.
	I'm negative on New York if Mamdani's elected, but I'm positive on the country.
	You know, clearly we have the most pro-business president we've had in a very long time.
	And we also have a lot of, you know, very significant things that have been announced, but the effects have not yet really taken effect.
	So one, infrastructure bill from the past.
	We have the more recent tax bill, which gives 100% depreciation for investment.
	We have this massive AI infrastructure investment that's like building the railroads of the early part of the 20th century.
	We have the productivity effects of AI that are only just starting to have a significant effect.
	We have interest rates coming down meaningfully.
	They're 10 years below.
	I see what he's saying.
	Everything's 4%.
	We have a Fed that's accommodative, likely to sort of cut interest rates.
	So these are all, I would say, very positive for the economy and for marketing.
	Bill, there's a term where I think you wouldn't have to.
	I can pause it right there.
	It's funny when you're hearing a guy like this saying this.
	What's he telling you?
	2026 is going to be a big year.
	Be ready for it.
	Folks, if you're watching this sincerely, if you want to have a big 2026, if it's not ours, goes to somebody's.
	But you better go into 2026 with a clear, written business plan in a way you've never written it before.
	I share mine on these business planning workshops that we do, and I share keywords, and I typically announce what I believe last year in 2024, I call 2025 the year of surprises.
	And guess what?
	A lot of surprises in 2025.
	So 2026, if you got big plans and you're hearing what Ackman's talking about, go to BPW.business, bpw.bedavidconsulting.com, bpw.bedavidconsulting.com, register for the December 12th.
	And Rob, can you put the link below as well in the description and in the comment section and people can see it?
	We'll spend a whole day, 12 hours, talking about how to write out a business plan.
	Vinny.
	I just wanted to ask with everything that he's doing, like I'm in awe in the way that you put it, where he's, with everything that's happening, especially with the business stuff, what would like a Kamala Harris, like where would we be right now if she had one?
	Remember this, when you hire somebody like that and you campaign for them, what are you campaigning for?
	When you vote for somebody, what are you saying?
	When a good girl chooses a husband, what are they saying?
	When a guy is picking and choosing a wife, what are you saying?
	What are you choosing a wife for?
	You choose your wife and you say, I think she'll be a good mother for my kids.
	I think she'll take care of me when I'm older.
	I think we'll bring out the best of me, et cetera, et cetera, right?
	When you marry somebody that you're like, I think this guy can be a great husband, great father, raise good kids, protect me, provide safety, fun travel, all that stuff.
	When you pick a president, what are you saying?
	You're saying the guy's going to negotiate on your behalf.
	He's going to be in the room and you trust him in the room, right?
	You go negotiate on our behalf.
	I got you.
	You go do it, right?
	You go sell on our behalf.
	You go get the job done on our behalf.
	He's been doing it.
	If you voted for Kamala, what do you think she's going to do?
	Do you really think she knows how to negotiate?
	Do you really, like, what are you voting for?
	Like, I can see Obama.
	I can't see Clinton.
	What are you voting for?
	I definitely didn't see it with Biden.
	Of course not.
	And what do you do with Kamala?
	So this is the part, by the way.
	So when you go into 2020 and you see the Calci and the polymarket and the numbers that are coming up, where they're at, where, you know, the other day you pulled it up two weeks ago, Newsom and JD are neck and neck.
	Right?
	They're right there.
	They're looking at 110, 110, both of them.
	I don't know what the numbers are right now, Rob, if you want to pull it up.
	Dead even.
	Republican or Democrat and Republican Democrats for 2020.
	Without a name.
	What are you voting for Newsom?
	To do what?
	Exactly.
	To make everybody gay.
	To do what?
	And by the way, talking about making everybody gay, I want to get into the story about making everybody gay.
	This may be disappointing for some of you guys.
	Brace for impact.
	Sharp decline in young adults identifying as transgender.
	Non-binary analysis finds.
	Hello.
	So this, this, and how did it happen all of a sudden?
	Is this accidental that this is taking place?
	Data coming in.
	And Rob, go ahead and play this clip.
	Watch this, folks.
	This week, a new report from the Center for Heterodox Social Science found that, quote, the share of trans-identified students has effectively halved in just two years.
	Take a look at this chart.
	Holy shit.
	Now, the three lines represent data from three separate academic institutions, and they all show a steep decline in the number of students identifying as trans.
	Now, notably, the decline occurred in 2024 alongside a robust national discussion about protecting young children from trans ideology and life-altering surgeries.
	Now, this decline came as no surprise to me.
	In 2023, I brought this data to our airwaves from a study that I found in the National Institute of Health's National Library of Medicine's database.
	The article from 2016 in the International Review of Psychiatry reads in part: quote, the conclusion from these studies is that for the majority of the children, 85.2% gender dysphoric feelings remitted around or after puberty.
	That was in 2016.
	So, if nearly all children with gender dysphoric feelings resolve those feelings around puberty, why is the left continually pushing life-changing, irreversible surgery for children?
	Okay, so if you think about this, why do you think it halved in two years?
	Why do you think it halved in two years?
	Why did I think?
	Yeah, why do you think because the pendulum swung back two years?
	Two years ago is still Biden.
	Think about it, 2023.
	So, if you look at that chart, right, Rob, if we can still keep it up so that folks can watch it, 2023, look at the number and look where it goes.
	Yeah, it starts to drop.
	So, but why 233, 2023, Biden is still president?
	Because people, Pat, especially, great question, especially with like the Dylan Mulve.
	This is all during Biden.
	People, it was getting shoved down our throats, no pun intended.
	And then the American people were just like, no.
	And I don't care what anybody says, guys.
	That is the devil.
	Okay.
	That is the devil busting his ass, trying to make everybody confuse the youth and then have a party who is pushing it down everybody's throats again and then trying to convince people that no, you're in the wrong body and they're pushing it.
	But Pat, you say this all the time about bad ideas have bad consequences and people woke up.
	Okay.
	They had a good, the devil had a grip on that generation.
	And I'm so happy and I'm so proud of America, like real Americans going, no, no, no, no, we're not doing it.
	We're not doing it and we're winning.
	You know what happened?
	You had stop the madness.
	And when people got the leader that immediately started cutting things off in Trump and executive orders, it was stopping the encouragement and the madness.
	But there's something that went on, and I'm going to give some voices credit.
	Bill Maher, in the middle of the Biden administration, he started with facts.
	He went out and he did one of his monologues.
	But in his monologue, I believe Bill really believed it, and he presented numbers.
	Remember, he was talking about the percent of people that identified a certain way, going back to Eisenhower, then the generation that was LBJ, then the generation Kennedy, then here.
	And he goes today and he says, if this keeps up, in four generations, we're all gay, right?
	Or we're all identified.
	And so he pointed that out.
	But he also pointed out, he said, he says, when I go to cocktail parties here with these Angelinos, it's fashionable to talk about a child who is in transition or considering it or identifying or dressing differently.
	He said it was fashionable.
	And he said, wait a minute, is something in the water in California versus, I think he said Cincinnati?
	You see what he was pointing out?
	He was pointing out that the suggestion of parents was there.
	He said, kids go through phases.
	It's all phases.
	And then he threw the punchline, which was very telling.
	He said, when I was nine years old, I was, I wanted to be a pirate.
	I'm so glad that my parents didn't pluck out an eye and send me for peg leg surgery.
	So, which is the point, but he talked about the phases.
	And I think common sense parents woke up.
	And when the election season came, they ran to the middle.
	Pat the election season came and they were still pushing trans ideology, but they turned it down in certain states regionally because it wasn't a winning angle on a national vote.
	What do you think, Pat?
	Why the two-year mark?
	Yeah, so you're saying why the two-year mark?
	To me, it's a couple different things.
	So, what was the main driver for trans?
	If you think about when it started peaking, I'll tell you.
	Tell them what TikTok.
	That's exactly what I wrote here.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	TikTok came out, I believe, in 2019.
	If you look at that graph, the last one, Rob.
	And that was China ran in there.
	Let me tell you the trend, bro.
	Gen Z never had a chance.
	They never had a chance.
	They're living in the first generation in human history that this was given to them day one.
	Day one.
	Now you're seeing Gen Alpha, kids 13 and under, basically Pat's kids say, No, no, no, you're not getting a phone until you're like 16 or 18.
	Yeah, these kids were given an iPad or a phone at age 10.
	And if you don't think that China is up to no good with TikTok, you're sleeping under a rock.
	Gen Z never had a chance.
	The rise of trans and the rise of TikTok happened right around the same time.
	Can you go to that other chart, Rob?
	Right around that 2019 point?
	Boom, you see it skyrockets.
	The first thing you put up.
	So you talked about trans being the new trend.
	Trans is always trending on TikTok.
	I mean, I've been on Instagram for almost a decade.
	I never saw any trans content on Instagram or even on YouTube.
	No, no.
	It's all on TikTok.
	And then you wonder why Gen Z has been so indoctrinated.
	Look at this.
	But what started in 2019, skyrocketing.
	But I'm curious, like, what happened?
	Because I mean, it didn't stop.
	It didn't stop.
	China's still.
	They started coming out with things like, go, woke, go, bro.
	Let me tell you how, let me tell you how important this is.
	If you have a choice, you know how people are like, well, Larry Ellison's going to buy TikTok and it's going to be all, you know, a message about Zionism in Israel.
	It's what's going to happen.
	You have a choice.
	You have a choice between a guy owns a company that's Jewish or a guy that owns the company that is from China who hates your country and wants to confuse the shit out of your kids.
	Which one do you choose?
	You pick and choose on which one it is.
	That's the reality of it.
	Okay.
	But Zuckerberg, what nationality is Zuckerberg?
	What's his faith?
	Jewish.
	Okay.
	So what have you heard with trans and any of this stuff with Facebook?
	Not a lot.
	If you remember about two years ago, Fox did a special on Transgender Kid.
	Parents that were going through it.
	Do you remember that?
	It was a four-minute special we played it.
	I know.
	Yeah, so it got to a point that even Fox News to the special honor trans family.
	I'm like, wait, what?
	You're now at this point.
	So is Lachlan at the top?
	It's like, yeah, we should maybe share a story like that with people?
	No.
	So I think the part is, like you said earlier, bad ideas are getting exposed.
	And the great thing about bad ideas is just give it time.
	You'll know how bad the idea is.
	So all these people are excited about Mamdani.
	Awesome.
	Give it time.
	Give it two years.
	Let's see what happens there.
	See what takes place.
	Sometimes, as a, this is the challenge, Vinny.
	As a parent, some things you have to let your kids go through.
	You just have to let them go through it.
	That I'm going to put that in there.
	Don't do it.
	I'm going to put that in there.
	Don't do it.
	I'm going to put that.
	I said, don't do it.
	I'm going to put that in.
	Go ahead.
	Right?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So then, dad, I'm going to do that.
	Oh, no, that's zero conversation.
	I'm going to do it.
	Sit down.
	This is how much?
	Yep.
	Zero conversation.
	I think America is kind of like, well, let's see what happens.
	Well, let's see what happens.
	How many people, when they got the transgender surgery done for kids?
	How many Rob?
	How many kids under the age of 18 took puberty blockers?
	Oh, my God.
	How many kids under the age of eight?
	You know what puberty blockers were essentially made for, originally made for?
	For pedophiles and stuff?
	Originally, it was made for, did you know that?
	No, yeah.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I just shot it out of the door.
	Medical sterilization.
	It was made for pedophiles to not be excited about doing what they want to do to young kids.
	So like a chemical castration.
	They're giving that to kids.
	They're giving that to kids.
	So how many people actually took it?
	No, that's just four years, Rob.
	I mean, I want to know all time.
	How evil, like how disgusting?
	4,752 kids in America were on puberty blockers from 2017 to 2021.
	And that's not even the peak.
	That's not even the peak.
	So imagine how many kids' lives you destroyed.
	Literally, the phrase, you destroyed, right?
	You destroyed.
	Yeah, let's see what happens.
	Let them do it, right?
	But to me, there are a few things that at the top, you have to put your foot down and say, no, no, no, we're not going to test this out with anybody.
	I think one is this with the kids that I think we need to, I love the fact that the date, we were there when he signed the executive order.
	Do you remember that?
	We were in the room when the president signed the executive order on the stage.
	On the stage, yeah, that's right.
	When we were there, so it's like, oh, boom, one, boom, two, boom, three, boom, four, right?
	We're hanging out with a bunch of, you know, G insiders or whoever they were being here.
	But the point being is, that's where this reached to.
	And now the other part of me saying that it's not something to be tolerated about is who gets to run for office in America.
	You got to be very protective of what the denomination can run for office in America.
	I think that is a massive, massive thing.
	Is this the clip?
	Well, it's really hard to reverse once you go a certain direction.
	You can fake it till you make it.
	This pastor changed, though.
	Yeah, can you play that one clip of that one incredible guy who thought that he was going to stop being gay?
	Tell me if you guys are buying this.
	Go ahead.
	Do you believe that the Lord tonight has set you free?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	Turn around and tell those people.
	I'm not gay no more.
	I am delivered.
	I don't like men no more.
	I thought I like women.
	I thought women.
	I'm not gay.
	I would not date a man.
	I would not care.
	I would not stop.
	Put on makeup.
	I will not.
	Is he still?
	Is he still doing that?
	Oh, then he came out with another interview.
	He's like, oh, yeah, I never didn't work for him.
	I'm still doing it.
	At least he tried.
	What's that?
	You're being serious?
	No, I'm being dead serious.
	That he ended up still being gay.
	He is gay.
	You mean to tell me that was fake?
	That jacket won't lie.
	Jacket.
	Papillon.
	Papillon is the one that you missed.
	All right, folks, we're coming to the last part of it.
	If you are watching a podcast, you have any questions for me, Vinny, or Adam.
	We got a bunch of them that's been posted.
	Go to, or Tom, go to PBD Podcast Circle, post your question.
	Download the app, Goes or post your question.
	We're going to read off a couple of questions here at the end before we wrap up.
	Let's do one other story before we get into this.
	This next story I want to get into is which one should I go to?
	I got so many good ones here.
	Should I go into a business one?
	Yeah, let's go to this one here.
	Okay.
	Finances are getting tighter.
	U.S. car reposition repos surge as more Americans default on auto loans.
	Okay, so here we go with auto loans, Tom.
	I'm coming to you on this one.
	So alarm bells are ringing on Wall Street.
	The recent collapses of Tricolor used car seller and subprime auto lender and first brands as auto parts supplier have put the finance industry on edge almost two decades after the problem in the subprime mortgage lending market set the stage for the global financial risk.
	When you see one cockroach, there are probably more.
	Jamie Dimon said, caution analyst this week after the U.S. largest bank disclosed $170 million charge tied to Tricolors bankruptcy.
	Everyone should be forewarned on this one as the car lending market showed signs of strain.
	Business around repositions is booming.
	Right now, we're overwhelmed with work.
	George Bedin, who runs Midwest Recovery and Adjustment in Detroit, Chicago, said the so-called repo man tasked with recovering vehicles from drivers who suck on loan agreements was eulogized in music by Bruce Springsteen and Adam's getting closer to 50 years old.
	And in 1984, Alex Cox film Repo Man, especially in the subprime auto market, are on the rise.
	Tom, your thoughts on this story.
	So guess what?
	Not everything is good in every corner of the economy.
	And in middle America, you know, we need jobs.
	We need wage growth and we need affordable housing.
	We can't turn away from that.
	For all the good that the president is doing, there's other items that are on that agenda that he's trying to get to.
	Housing starts will help people have more affordable housing.
	And affordable housing means some, guess what, Vinny?
	A little bit of relief on the family budget so you can make your car payment.
	Weird.
	And so also people went out and got these loans for vehicles when we had a pop in the economy.
	And now things have tightened up a little bit.
	It is said that for a lot of people in the middle class, Pat, what was the stat that we used to talk about in life insurance?
	It was just a stat that most people were only three paychecks from away from a bankruptcy or having to borrow from friends and family, but point a personal crisis with their living.
	And these were single Americans living in apartments and stuff in the middle class.
	And so now what's happened is the market is a little bit tighter and things have happened.
	This is the downstream effect of the Biden economy and what we have with all that inflation.
	Things have come down.
	Things have helped, but there's more help that's needed.
	And we covered last week on this podcast all those jobs that are getting built.
	Well, we need more of those higher paying jobs.
	We need manufacturing to come back to America.
	And in the interim, there's some stress in the economy.
	And when you see early warning signs like overall credit card balance, and you know, we haven't talked about that in a while, Pat.
	We should bring that up next on the Business Wednesday next week.
	You know, America's credit card balance.
	We used to talk about that a lot, but we need to get back to that.
	But this story right now, it's not gloom and doom, Pat, but it is definitely a check engine light that says, hey, there's stress going on out there and the middle class still needs help.
	And drill baby drill that gets gas down and heating oil down, that helps.
	Jobs help.
	Interest rates will help.
	And so we're in a trend.
	Did you see that subprime auto lending is a fraction of the $1.7 trillion overall car lending business?
	$1.7 trillion, Tom.
	That's right.
	It's huge.
	America's car is second to America's rent.
	It's so bad.
	Adam's Uber driver's car got repoed.
	That's horrible.
	That's the problem.
	That's not good.
	While he was in it, and that's the problem.
	And the repo guy wanted to keep Adam.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I thought he was handsome.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Well, there you have it, Rob.
	Let's get into some of the questions here.
	Let me know if you have any other questions.
	I'm trying to see which ones to pick here.
	There's a good one from Initials IL.
	You see that one there, Pat?
	Let me go to it.
	10:47 a.m.
	That's a great question.
	And I'm going to, if it's okay.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Isaac Lee.
	Let's see, Isaac Lee.
	Rob, if you can show up his picture on the Manect, if you can take his, I'll send this to you if you want to show it up there.
	Isaac Lee's got a picture.
	His profile picture is a picture with Jordan Peterson.
	So let's go to this.
	So his question is: Hey, Pat, you talk about the value of learning sales as a 22-year-old struggling to find a career and not just a job.
	How would you suggest getting into sales, learning the skill, and creating a career out of it?
	Here's what I will tell you.
	I don't understand the concept of being 22 years old and saying you're having a hard time finding a job.
	And you're saying career.
	I get it.
	But remember, to me, sales, people are hiring sales everywhere.
	You can go work 1099 commission anywhere.
	Real estate, insurance, finance.
	There are plenty of places that are hiring 1099 commission that you can go and start selling.
	There's so much content online for you to learn how to sell.
	There are so many different things that you can learn on how to do when it comes down to selling.
	There's plenty of books to read on sales that's available to you.
	My suggestion for 22-year-old is the following.
	A lot of people are choosing a what career, what this, what that.
	I'm going to tell you a very complete way of thinking about this.
	Instead of choosing a career to produce or a job to produce, choose a person to follow and replicate and duplicate.
	That's going to give you a better life than anything.
	Let's just say you choose a career, you want to get into, I don't know, you go into real estate.
	I want to go into real estate, but you're working for a shitty real estate broker that's not really showing up, doesn't work that hard, maybe doesn't have the best ethics, and you go there.
	But real estate is what you want to do.
	And so you follow that person versus you go into, let's just say you pick and choose, give me another thing to sell, give me a product to sell, any kind of a product to sell, get any product to sell outside of real estate.
	Let's say you want to do health insurance, but this health insurance guy you're working for, he is a very successful guy, great family, solid work ethic, been around it for 20 years.
	He's got great contacts, great relationships, very intentional, very tough, very strong, strong negotiator.
	You go work for him for three years.
	You won't be the same human being three years later.
	If you're watching how negotiates, if you watch how he shows up every day, if you watch how he does everything that he does.
	My suggestion is make a list of 20 people that you admire.
	Ask your father.
	Ask your friends.
	Ask teachers, professors, people you respect who are the 20 best leaders in a local community within a 20-mile radius, and then go work for that person.
	You're going to get more working for a great person selling.
	It could be furniture.
	It could be anything.
	You can get more working for the right person in any industry than you will be in Picky by choosing what industry you want to get into.
	That would be my feedback to you, Isaac Lee, at 22 years old.
	And by the way, at 21, 22 years old, I went to four to 10 business conferences every year.
	I went to Tom Hopkins.
	I went to Tony Robbins.
	I went to any conferences I could find to learn about sales and being around other people proximity-wise, changed my life.
	That would be my feedback to you.
	What other questions do we want to get into, Rob?
	Did you see anything else?
	That's right.
	PBD sales system would be good for him as well.
	Developers, let's see what we got here, Rob.
	Are you seeing one that I should go to on the question side?
	Because I've got few of them in here.
	Let me do one more.
	All right, let's do this one here.
	Is this the one between the two?
	Okay, let's go to this one.
	George Karayev.
	Do you see that one, Rob?
	If you want to pull that one up, pull up his profile and put his picture up there so we can see it.
	George Karayev at a Staten Island, New York.
	So visualize him saying this with an accent.
	PBD team.
	Why do you think Stephen A came out? with an accusation that Trump who pushed the NBA players to be investigated, arrested.
	Is this the race card?
	Why do you go straight there before all the facts come out?
	Vinny, I'll come to you on this one.
	What do you think?
	I think, well, again, because Stephen A, you know, he kind of, you know, he didn't vote for Kamala.
	Did he vote for Kamala?
	Then all of a sudden, I think, you know, Stephen A kind of goes with the flow.
	He knows how to speak.
	He's very articulate.
	His vernacular is up there.
	He uses big words.
	But at the same time, it's like, you have to think, why?
	Why is he doing that?
	Why one day is he calling out Jasmine Crockett for talking hood?
	She's very educated.
	She's very established.
	But then when she's around, she panders in front of like, hey, what y'all do?
	And going after the president, talking hood.
	That's not you.
	And he called her out.
	And then a couple of days later, I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	I shouldn't be talking to a black woman like that.
	It's like, I don't understand the LeBroning, the flip-flopping.
	But again, he works for ESPN.
	ESPN is going to take a hit.
	Disney owns that.
	ESPN, Disney owns a lot of stuff.
	Biggest contract with the NBA.
	So it hurts.
	He can't come out and just say, hey, guys, these guys are wrong.
	They messed up.
	They need to pay for it.
	No, he has to take a side.
	And the anti-Trump side, especially when it comes to Walt Disney, it's always going to be the call.
	I'm going to go to the last one here, Tom.
	I'm coming to you with this one here.
	Evie Burt.
	Okay.
	It says Yorktown, but she's got a question about real estate in California.
	For Tom, when will the bottom fall out on California real estate?
	Where military bought in Thousand Oaks when interest rates were low.
	All this California uncertainty makes me nervous on the value of real estate, not retiring there, going to sell eventually.
	What do you say about that?
	Well, it's very interesting because we know a real estate expert that's in San Diego and he sends us charts.
	And basically, right now, interest rates need to come down, number one.
	But number two, there needs to be a decrease in demand.
	And that is happening as people are leaving California and as fewer people are moving into California.
	The other side of it, if you're looking for, I don't know where you are.
	So Thousand Oaks, if you're looking for Thousand Oaks and Westlake and some of those nicer areas for a 50% drop in price, you're not going to see it.
	As you go further from the cities, you're going to see relief in prices.
	You saw what happened in San Bernardino during the crash in 08, where they had all the new housing built, and that's where the prices came down.
	But is that where the jobs are going to be?
	But you're saying not going to retire there, going to sell eventually.
	So it looks like you're looking for the investment side.
	If you're looking for the investment side, depending on your job and where it takes you, you want to be in the areas that are built very, very nicely, but have the opportunity to appreciate.
	Because if you find a million and a half dollar home in Thousand Oaks, California, and you're able to get yourself into that somehow, 25 years from now, that's not going to be a $3 million starter home.
	You know, it's going to be too expensive.
	So I don't see the bottom dropping out, but I see you'll be able to pick and choose in the areas which are the first drop zones as people move out of California and the demand drops a little bit.
	But Evie, you're asking the right question.
	Go get smart.
	Read as much as you can.
	Talk to as many realtors as you can, but be patient and know your numbers.
	Know what your rent versus purchases in your area.
	And it may be that renting for a couple of years and intentionally putting the rest of that money aside puts you in a good position.
	There you go in Thousand Oaks.
	Shout out to folks in Thousand Oaks.
	Shout out.
	Hello, Amgen, people.
	Nice to go there.
	It's a very, very nice homes.
	Anyways.
	All right, guys.
	Moving forward, if you haven't yet downloaded Manact and started doing this, we want to hear from you.
	We want to hear questions from you, especially PBD Podcast Wednesday.
	Business podcast is growing.
	We're getting a lot of positive commentary.
	But if you haven't watched the Ana Paulina Luna podcast that came out yesterday, two and a half hours, we talked about Epstein.
	She brought documents that there's only three of them in the world that was given to her by the president of Russia.
	She brought that.
	We talked about it yesterday.
	If you haven't seen it yet, go look up PBD Podcast with Anna Paulina Luna from yesterday.
	It was absolutely bonkers.
	Take care, everybody.
	Have a great weekend.
	We'll do it again next week.
	Take care.

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