PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Rep. Victoria Spartz: Ukraine $95.3 Billion Aid Package, Zelenskyy & Putin | PBD Podcast

April 29, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Rep. Victoria Spartz: Ukraine $95.3 Billion Aid Package, Zelenskyy & Putin | PBD Podcast | Ep. 403

Patrick Bet-David is joined by Congresswoman Victoria Spartz. 00:00 - Show Intro 01:39 - Video of Representative Victoria Spartz questioning Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas. 03:03 - Representative Spartz discusses her journey from USSR to the United States. 06:34 - Victoria explains her passion for defending America. 11:01 - How Barack Obama created a socialist agenda in the United States. 14:04 - Who is fighting to save the Republic? 18:36 - Victoria talks about who is the establishment vs who is in Washington D.C. 21:45 - Victoria discusses who politicians are loyal to in D.C. 27:49 - The profile of a typical politician in Washington D.C. 36:20 - The bad habits politicians develop while working in Washington D.C. 41:43 - Victoria discusses what it was like growing up in the USSR. 45:37 - Why the USSR taught that capitalism and the United States were bad ideas. 52:53 - The rise of Vladimir Putin in Russia 58:36 - Victoria's thoughts on Volodymyr Zelenskyy. 1:04:26 - Is there on-going corruption in Ukraine? 1:08:48 - The relationship between Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. 1:15:42 - Will the conflict in Ukraine end if Donald Trump is elected in 2024? 1:16:13 - Why Victoria agreed to Israel aid but not Ukrainians aid. 1:20:48 - Why is George Soros funding pro-Palestinian protests across U.S.? 1:28:40 - Does George Soros own any politicians in D.C? 1:30:05 - Will there be a Black Swan event in 2024 to delay the election. Victoria Spartz is a Ukrainian-American politician and businesswoman who is the U.S. representative for Indiana's 5th congressional district. A member of the Republican Party, she previously represented the 20th district in the Indiana Senate. Join "The Minnect League Championship" to win a night of dinner & cigars with Patrick Bet-David: https://bit.ly/4aMAar8 Connect one-on-one with the right expert for you on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick Bet-David on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Okay, so we have a very interesting guest for you here today.
	Let me explain to you why she's very interesting.
	She's the first Ukrainian-born, I want to say, right?
	First Ukrainian-born female member of Congress and the first member born in a former Soviet republic, okay, Congresswoman, feisty, she fights everybody.
	By the way, if I were to ask you right now, what's the toughest fight you ever had in your life?
	And I'm asking you, the viewer, the listener, what's the toughest fight you ever had in your life?
	And how bold were you when you went up against opponent?
	Well, she faced off against the director of FBI, Ray.
	And to his face, she said, sir, what you're doing, I compare your agency to the KGB.
	She said this on camera with him sitting right across from her.
	Then she faced off AG Merrick Garland, where she said, what you're doing right now, it's like the KGB.
	Then she sat down with Robert Hur again, across from him what was going on with Biden and Trump.
	And she said, double standard, standing up, not backing down from anybody.
	And last but not least, she sat down with, not sat across from Maorca's on the border and asked him a question.
	I'll let you watch this video to just kind of get an idea of what kind of a guest we have here today.
	And then you'll see why this one's going to be interesting.
	Rob, if you can just play this clip for the audience to get a flavor of today's guest, go forward.
	I'm not wasting my time.
	I'm sorry, I don't want to use bad words.
	What you can do with all this lattice because we keep giving money and sending Latin, you tell us BS back.
	So how would you rate yourself, your preparedness to this committee?
	It is the honor of my lifetime to work with an.
	From scale zero to ten, how would you say how prepared you came to this hearing?
	I will repeat what I said.
	You're not answering any questions.
	You are not answering any Republican question.
	Is it something that you intend to not respond to any questions of Republicans?
	You came with that intent.
	That is incorrect, Congresswoman.
	But you're not answering any questions.
	It is.
	I mean, every time I hear you say, we will, we will, we shall, yeah, I don't know.
	You don't know any numbers.
	You don't even know how many people you actually, you know, you prosecuted how many people you deported.
	You're nothing.
	How can you say you know how your department is run?
	As executive, you don't know these numbers?
	Congresswoman, let me share with you.
	Well, you haven't shared anything useful here.
	Let me share.
	So, and with that being said, probably one of the most important facts that we talk about today, she's born October 6th, 1978.
	She is 12 days older than me because I'm born October 18th, 1978.
	Congresswoman Victoria Sparta is great to have you on the podcast.
	Thank you for having me.
	Yes, of course.
	Now, here's what's interesting about you.
	So, born in old Russia, Soviet Union, now Ukraine, you come down here.
	You've said good things about Zelensky.
	You've said bad things about Zelensky.
	You've stayed consistent with things you've said about Putin.
	You are not a fan of Putin, but you also weren't supportive of the last funding that we gave.
	Maybe tell the audience if they don't know a little bit about your story, and then we'll get into some of the issues today.
	Thank you.
	I actually born in USSR.
	USSR, old school communism.
	Yes, yes, that's why I was born.
	And that country doesn't exist for a reason and for a bad reason.
	And that's why it breaks my heart.
	And that's why it made me crazy enough to become a politician.
	You have to be crazy to be a politician, but you have to be crazy not to care what's happening in the country.
	But I'll tell you, I actually didn't say much good stuff about Zelensky, but I separate governments from people.
	I believe Ukrainian people are fighting a very brutal battle and I feel bad for them.
	Ukrainian people paying a very high price and that's what it takes when you lose freedoms for over 30 years that try to get them freedoms back and they go through bloodshed and we do not appreciate all of the people that died for our freedoms.
	And if you think about what's happening, we have bad government too.
	We pay with money and they pay with blood.
	And we need to be really, really vigilant what's happening in our country.
	A lot of republics failed and it's hard to recover.
	So I understand what a difficult situation is.
	I understand what Putin and China and Iran are doing and it's very dangerous for our national security in our country.
	But I also understand that blank checks and slash funds and no oversight is not serving well American interest.
	We've seen what's happened after 2 trillion spent in Afghanistan, dealing with corrupt governments.
	What happened?
	I mean, it was embarrassing.
	The withdrawal, we're wasting a lot of money.
	And honestly, Taliban are waving the flag now and we left a bunch of weapons to terrorist groups.
	This is really disgrace.
	And we have to do much better in foreign policy, but also not abandon our country.
	May I call you Victoria?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I want to go through a lot of issues with you.
	I want to talk about election.
	A lot of people don't trust what's going on right now with the election in 2024.
	They think a black swan event is about to happen within a time span of five, six months.
	We come out with one movie by Obama's called Leave the World Behind.
	We come up with another movie called a Civil War.
	It's a Reuters left-leaning.
	I don't know if you've seen the movie yet or not.
	If you haven't, it's a very interesting movie about the fact that the hero is essentially the person that kills the president at the end.
	I don't know.
	I think you ought to watch the movie for the space you're in.
	But there's a lot of things going on.
	Just recently, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Clintons did a podcast with Jason Baton together.
	So they're out there marketing.
	A lot of people are thinking our political party right now is a uni party.
	It's not really a Republican or a Democratic party.
	I know you've had some harsh words about McCarthy.
	You did not support him.
	And then also now we have Johnson.
	And so we'll talk about that.
	There's a few other things, a couple protesting we saw with these apparently Nazis in Charleston, Virginia, that I'll show you the video.
	I don't know how much you're following this story.
	I want to get your thoughts because it's a little bit weird with what's going on there.
	Then at the same time, Zelensky, Blinken, I want to talk Putin.
	I want to talk Soros.
	I want to talk Garland.
	I want to talk FTC because I think you did some stuff with FTC as well on the non-compete.
	There's a lot of different things I want to go through here today.
	And I got a few videos to show you.
	But why do you care so much as a person that's born in the USSR?
	I'm born in Iran 12 days after you were born.
	While you were being born up there, I was being born in Iran.
	Why do you care so much about what's going on with America right now?
	Well, listen, we're the greatest republic that ever existed in the history of the world.
	But we need to understand if we don't keep our republic strong, you know, we can't go down like other republics.
	You know, you saw what's happened with Roman Republic and Greek Republic.
	And right now, we weaken our republic so significantly, you know, internally, domestically.
	We're moving into socialist and Marxist ideology.
	How many countries were disturbed?
	Soviet Union wasn't a weak country with no resources.
	You know, Soviet Union fell apart because of tyrannical government and socialism.
	And socialism falls apart when you run out of money and then it turns into mob rule.
	And mob rule turns into dictatorship.
	Our founding fathers knew that.
	And that's why they created a lot of check and balances, which were distorted, especially in the last century.
	So I see the same trends right now, what's happened back in the Soviet Union, and what government is doing to the people.
	That is very dangerous.
	And we have to take it seriously because we're the greatest country only because we have the most freedoms.
	There is no difference between the people.
	And the only thing that unite us, we all have different heritages.
	We all have different religions.
	And it's a very vibrant country.
	The thing that united us as a country is this founding principle and constitution.
	And if we don't teach these founding principles, we're going to fall apart.
	And our enemies from outside can actually destabilize us.
	It's very dangerous, especially with data collections that are happening.
	So I think we live in a dangerous time.
	And in this election, it's going to decide the future of this republic.
	I truly believe so.
	And we as Americans start to be vigilant.
	That's why I'm very upset to see how aggressive and brilliant the other side is.
	Never underestimate the other side.
	They've been brilliant with the agenda.
	Unfortunately, Obama did a lot of things that were very clever, very smart, and he went very smart on attack and offense.
	And my party is being hypocritical, weak, and corrupt.
	And only a few of us are willing to fight.
	But unfortunately, there is no other people can do it.
	So we have to win.
	So you said Obama did some stuff that was very clever, and you have to give the other side credit for what they're doing.
	What are they doing, the other side that's clever?
	That's very smart.
	They were able to centralize the power and through money.
	So what they were doing very clever, like including with Obamacare and other things, where they will give money to state and local government, even Republican states like Indiana.
	And buy, some of these politicians are stupid, some of them corrupt, and buy the power.
	So they will give you a grant and a bunch of strings attached.
	They will give states money and a bunch of strings where you can start reporting to the federal government.
	And a lot of these politicians don't pay attention what commitments come.
	Oh, I got little money from the federal government.
	I can run for re-election and do something.
	And people don't understand what it is, right?
	And some of them just don't even realize, but some are corrupt.
	And they were able to advance the agenda, even in conservative states like Indiana.
	I was, when I was a state senator, I was kind of joking.
	I spend more time killing bills to pass in.
	I passed some of the bills, but I was shocked how many incrementally they were able to put the agenda into the book, be clever, moving CRT, what they're doing during COVID, how they shut down the government, how they try to violate election laws.
	And they're using every crisis, whether to do in gun control.
	I mean, every crisis they use to advance agenda.
	And they're ready and very well organized.
	And what they've done, very smart.
	They put money in all of these NGOs, you know, and then their government money they're using for community organizing.
	That means the promoting the agenda.
	So they do it with our taxpayers' money.
	I mean, that was brilliant.
	And unfortunately, we have too many weak and corrupt politicians in both parties that are not willing to hold the ground.
	So community organizing, using taxpayers' money, which is a brilliant house.
	Okay, so for Obama to be able to do this, how old was Obama when he became president?
	He was in his early 40s, right, when he became president.
	How can he, do you think it was his vision, or do you think it was something he borrowed from somebody or somebody sold it to him or taught him?
	One is not just born one day and realizing how to do all this stuff on getting America to be where it's at today.
	How do you think he learned how to do it?
	Well, he came from the circles with very Marxist ideologies.
	You know, when he went to college and people around him, and you can see how he's surrounding himself with people with very government-controlled ideologies.
	They understand Obamacare, what it's going to be.
	They're going to blow up the system and have a complete government take over healthcare.
	They understand all of these things like that.
	You know, if you remember what Hayek said, communists, it's about centralization of power and having centralized planning.
	Well, now we almost centralize so much power that everyone is going to DC.
	We don't go to the bank even to get loans.
	Everyone wants to get money from DC.
	And DC decides who are going to be losers and winners.
	And they decide which company is good enough to get credit or which ones are not within the agenda.
	And if you're a gun manufacturer or maybe some oil company, you might not be able to get access to finances.
	And most companies don't run on cash.
	You have to leverage your business.
	So they now understand that when you centralize the money and means of production by Karl Marx, which in a sense, when you centralize the money, maybe in a form, but in essence, through the federal level, you will control the means of production.
	That is actually how you get to communists.
	And the same people that were under Obama, they're right now running.
	I'm sorry that President Biden, I don't think he's running anything.
	I don't think he barely can stay awake for more than an hour.
	So I think they're the same people.
	He kept the same people and they're very radical, but they are very determined to change the structure of our country.
	And the structure is to have elites on top and everyone else equally poor.
	That's what socialism is.
	Okay, so we can go a little bit more into that in regards to what they're doing.
	So who's fighting that?
	Because some people will say, well, there is no Republican and Democratic today.
	Look at even Speaker Johnson.
	Well, let's approve this.
	No, I'm going to go in and border is going to be the top priority.
	Border, border, border, border.
	That one video that went viral, that everything he said was about the border.
	Then it gets passed.
	$61 billion, I believe, goes to Ukraine.
	$25, $26 billion gets split between Israel getting $16.1, $15.9, and I think Gaza humanitarian aid, they get $9.1 billion.
	And then Taiwan got like $8 billion, right?
	Nothing towards the border.
	Now, he's a Republican.
	And he's the guy that replaced McCarthy, right?
	So if now Republicans say they're not happy with him, Kim Jeffries could be the next guy coming in if something happens to these two guys and you guys decide to get rid of Speaker Johnson.
	So yourself, there's not a lot of people like you in-house.
	Most of them are establishment Republicans.
	Most Democrats are establishment Democrats.
	So who the hell is fighting to protect this Republic?
	Who's doing that?
	I think, unfortunately, Republic will not be saved in Washington, D.C.
	But I think people like you and other people who are willing to tell the truth and American people will start waking up.
	That's how this Republic will be saved.
	Because unfortunately, you know, my party became very hypocritical and doesn't know how to go in a fence.
	When I said to Speaker McCarthy and then Speaker Johnson, let's pick.
	I used to say, let's pick three hills to die on and we'll take them.
	Then I said, oh, no, that's too high of expectation.
	Let's do one.
	I said, let's just pick one.
	I'm going to move.
	We need to deliver for the people.
	Let's just do the border.
	That is an 80% issue.
	American people with us.
	You know, this is a national security issue, number one.
	We're in trouble what's happening.
	Let's do it.
	And we move.
	And we're going to, you know, sometimes you have to make some tough moves, you know, and on the other side, let's just do it.
	But unfortunately, Republicans are being talking heads on TV, fighting China and doing this messaging bill.
	They are not used to be on a fence.
	And we do not have too many tough people that willing to die on that hill.
	And until we start putting pressure and elected the people, they do it for the right reason.
	Not because, you know, someone told me recently we have bartenders and billionaires in DC.
	Other people want to become rich or unemployed.
	Electing people like that.
	But media doesn't want people like that.
	Big machine of money doesn't want people like that.
	They want puppets.
	So the only way we will be able to do it, if we organize on the ground and good Americans will see what's happening instead, have an ability to have a choice, but it's getting harder and harder because media is so corrupt and all information they have, they want to have corrupt and weak politicians.
	It's convenient for them.
	We create a lot of billionaires on the money of our grandchildren.
	You're on the inside.
	Do you see it as pro-establishment, anti-establishment, or do you see it as Republican Democrats?
	What do you see it as?
	I think it's establishment and few people on for different reasons on both sides.
	You know, they're really getting pissed off, you know.
	And I think left and right, sometimes even on FISA warrant, we actually come together sometimes.
	I said, we're on the edge so much, so sometimes we connect with each other.
	And that was actually a fight where establishment.
	And left and right of both parties came together and fought against it.
	What do you guys agree with?
	What do you guys actually agree with?
	Establishment and anti-establishment.
	Well, there is a very difficult to agree is because we have, you know, I truly believe that establishment of the party is really forgot where the people, you know, what the problems with the people are, how to serve the people.
	There is no lobby for the people and they forgot that we are the only lobby for the people.
	They listen to their staffers, young kids, or 25-year-olds, or DC swamp creatures who make a lot of money all of the lobbies.
	They don't even listen and don't want to sit down.
	And there are some good people there, but they kind of give up.
	I honestly say some people just praying.
	And I said, it takes more than just praying.
	Mike Johnson is a good human being.
	I truly is.
	He's a very genuine.
	He's a good-hearted person with good ideas, but he doesn't know how to fight.
	Speaker Johnson.
	Yeah, Speaker Johnson.
	You know, he's just, he's a good human.
	You know, like if Kevin was very transactional, he about power and money.
	Actually, that sometimes is useful.
	If you threaten to vacate him, you could get a lot of stuff done.
	That's how conservatives like me were able to accomplish a lot under him and move some stuff because he wanted power so badly.
	McCarthy, yes, he wanted, like, if you tell him that, he would be like right away, well, because he was afraid to lose his speakership so much.
	So we were able to put so much pressure.
	Does Johnson have that fear of losing his job or not really?
	he doesn't and i think he's kind of you know he's very like very um vanilla you know and yeah i mean i'm just saying he's very like he's a religious guy with good views good heart And I think that's in some ways it's his weakness because he's dealing with very rough side.
	You know, the other side is very tough and rough.
	And he's getting rolled by them just because you have to sometimes to be rough on ages, you know, because when you have such, you know, when you have a swamp machine with big money and power coming after you, and you're just going to be nice and kind, they're just going to step on you and crush you.
	And that's what happened to him.
	Who are the fighters?
	Who are the anti-establishment fighters that have a backbone to go up against the establishment folks?
	Well, I think, you know, there are a few people, you know, we have some, you know, members of Freedom Caucus.
	We have some members that do not belong caucus like Thomas Massey or Matt Gates or me, a few other people.
	It depends on the issues.
	The challenge is that, you know, unfortunately, even people on my side, we also need to pick some righteous fights and actually win them.
	You know, so there are some people that want to win.
	There are some people want to message.
	And we need to get better organized.
	I said messaging is a waste of time.
	I don't want to message anything.
	We need to get stuff done.
	And I don't think a lot of people, conservatives and people on my side, being as good and actually delivering and do whatever it takes.
	You have to sometimes do whatever it takes.
	And I think if your position knows that, you'll be able to win because I know it's serious.
	And we've been a lot of times more concerned how many clicks people get or how much attention you can get versus like go and do some tough special operations.
	It would take, you know, like in the military, it would take like if you have a large military with a lot of weapons and you don't, you have to do special forces, do special operations to get them a little bit, you know, of balance, you know, so they cannot figure out.
	That's what you need to do, but you need to have a strategy, even if you do special operations.
	But what leverage do you have?
	What leverage do you currently have for you to get stuff done?
	It's very difficult, but we were able to do a lot of things.
	That's why we put rules committee.
	That was a leverage we have.
	Tight majority gave us a lot of leverage.
	That's why we actually were able to accomplish a lot with McCarthy because we changed the rules.
	We were able to put three people in the rules committees that if they vote, you know, against the Republican rule with Democrats, which typically vote, you know, against the rule, then you can actually block legislation and you will be able to put amendments because rules committees, that's how speakers control power.
	That's how they really put that agenda and force everyone to vote on.
	So we were able to do a lot of things and bring a lot of amendments that have never been on the floor before.
	I put amendment to defund UN.
	And even though some Republicans voted against it, at least people will know.
	I mean, we're democracy, right?
	People will know that at least their representatives vote against something.
	Before you would not even be able to put it on the floor, or the same warrant amendment.
	But I think that what Speaker Johnson is doing right now, which is very upsetting because for a lot of people, he's actually suspending these rules because rules kind of became tough.
	He's suspending the rules and he's able, then he needs to get two-thirds of people to vote for this legislation.
	And that's why he pretty much runs the Democrat agenda.
	So you said, you know, when you're like, hey, let's get together, let's, you know, push the agenda, let's fight for the voter and all this other stuff.
	But then also earlier, you said that Barack Obama was smart because he was able to get some of the grant money to the local politicians and control them.
	And that was one of their ways of getting re-elected, right?
	So do you think, out of everybody we have in the House, do you think in their minds, in order, what matters the most?
	Let me ask this question because you're on the inside.
	What do you think to the most people in Congress what matters the most?
	The favor of grants, the favor of your political party power players, establishment guys to back you up, your actual voters that you have, or big money donors.
	What do you think their loyalty is to?
	Those four?
	Well, I'll just tell you that the most people have already been getting re-elected, okay?
	And then to get re-elected, it's a combination of the, unfortunately, a lot of people, listen, it's a great service, it's a great duty, tour of duty, responsibility, but it's a tough job.
	I don't know how you can be there forever.
	Like, I believe you have to do your best, deliver, and then leave the laws that you legislated.
	And you can become insane to be there for that flow.
	But that's not the majority of people.
	Majority people want there forever.
	To be there forever.
	To be there forever, first you need to have the money.
	So to have the money, there are two ways how people now figure out how they have money.
	Either they funnel money to their own companies.
	Now we actually have politicians that pass legislation and go into their own businesses, which is a true corruption.
	It's not a crime.
	So such as who?
	Oh, listen, I've been a state legislator, actually, my opponent that runs against the actually doing the same thing.
	He was passing bills that put grants in his own company.
	Let me get this straight.
	So they're running for Congress.
	They're running their own companies and then they pass legislation and law to benefit and send money to their own companies.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Is that illegal?
	Well, I guess no one went to jail for it yet.
	So, I mean, that's why it's happening like that all the time.
	Who's done that?
	Which opponent are you?
	The one prior to you in Indiana when you ran up against it?
	No, no, just even my current opponent.
	You know, he's passing legislation that can put money in the business.
	And some do it directly, some indirectly.
	And that's how it works.
	Okay, so I'm not maybe, how many total do we have in the house?
	What's the number?
	What's the number?
	Total, is it 435?
	I don't know the exact number.
	How many congressmen and women are there?
	Well, 435.
	Okay, 435.
	Out of 435, how many of them don't need names, we can look them up.
	How many of them pass legislation and send money to their own companies and they get away with it and nothing happens?
	Well, in Congress, most of the time, how people do that, they send to their friends.
	Sometimes they do it not directly, but sometimes they do it in the way how you can get a lot of tax credits.
	That is a smarter way to do it.
	Do it through tax credit, abatements, and grant or get a government contracts, right?
	So in Congress, the state legislature is a little bit easier because you don't have to report it as you can have your own business and be legislative.
	So it's actually happened.
	In the Congress, you have to do a little bit more evasive.
	You can say, we'll do this workforce development grants and we're going to give you billions and grands.
	And who is going to get these billions of grands?
	Probably 20 companies.
	And what is this 20 companies or whoever get big contribution?
	And it could be your friends.
	It could be companies that you are involved with if you're involved with these companies.
	And this happens all the time.
	Especially it happened at the state level.
	And this is becoming very bad.
	Who's getting all these credits, right?
	If we think about it, how many companies getting credits?
	A lot of these credits that allocated, federal government passes credits.
	This credits goes to the states.
	Well, there is a limited amount of credits.
	How they allocate it?
	Well, they allocate it based on political favoritism.
	That's why we create a country when we created these oligarchs.
	And, you know, whoever's closer to politics is going to get all of these benefits.
	And how this small enterprise can compete if some businesses have free employees, tax abatements, tax credits, if they're going to get all of this, you know, support and different grants to their company.
	And that is going to for very few.
	It's not even applied to everyone.
	And I think that is becoming a huge problem.
	And they call it all of, now Republicans call it workforce development.
	We have free employees for some companies.
	That's the reality.
	Or they give it to France and then they give money to France.
	And listen, what is number one lobby?
	Hospital monopoly.
	Number two, insurance monopoly.
	Number three, big pharma.
	They get billions of dollars defrauding some of these funds like Medicare that going bankrupt.
	And you saw what's happened if Trump just mentioned, oh, we are going to dealing with fraud in Medicare.
	He got attacked.
	He got attacked.
	Oh, my gosh.
	So he like backtracked because the money is so big.
	So there's so much money given all of the special interest groups.
	And the country is going bankrupt.
	We have inflation.
	We're destroying the middle class and poor people.
	People on fixing them.
	But the money are too powerful.
	So that's what it controls.
	You either send money if you have your own business or your friends' businesses or your contributors.
	And then they put in super PACs.
	And then this money will run craziest campaigns.
	And you can say whatever lie you want.
	So, okay.
	I just pulled up Brookings Institute.
	Can you pull this up, Rob, what I just found right now?
	I'm just curious to know what this is.
	So I want to find out from your peers.
	You know how typically you look at, you're like, okay, what is the trend of who decides to become a lawyer in school?
	Well, typically the guy that maybe argued a lot or the gal that liked to debate always in school or maybe their parents were lawyers or something happened to them that inspired them to want to fight and correct an injustice, you know.
	But you can pretty much see a profile of somebody that in school ends up becoming a lawyer.
	Okay, who ends up becoming a comedian?
	You'll know what the profile of somebody that becomes a comedian, the class clown.
	Like if you go look at, I wonder out of a thousand high schools, if we put a profile of a thousand class clowns, how many of those class clowns ended up becoming comedians over maybe the president of chess or the chess president or whatever it is.
	You can see a trend and a profile.
	What is the profile of people who go into Congress?
	What is their pro is there a profile?
	Like, do you see it's usually somebody that's a former son of a congressman or a congresswoman?
	It's normally somebody that was, you know, a former lawyer.
	It's normally somebody that what do you're around these guys all the time.
	They're your colleagues.
	What is the profile of a former, you know, of a congressperson?
	You'd be surprised, but a lot of people are there, they're like being involved in politics all their life.
	They're like staffers.
	They've been a chief of staff, work in politics.
	Interesting.
	And most, a lot of these people that actually never had a real job, that is a percentage of people.
	What percentage?
	You know, never had a real job.
	Always worked in politics.
	I didn't really calculate that, but it probably would be roughly half of them.
	I would say a lot.
	A lot of people, I mean, I haven't really sent down a calculation.
	But I know a lot of them.
	Or like people get involved.
	They couldn't have a job.
	And you'd be surprised some of them.
	I just don't want to really say bad things about it.
	I got enough enemies.
	So I don't, you know, I'd rather attack Democrats.
	But, you know, even among my Republican friends, like some of them, if you read their bio, you know, it's like Santa's was saying, Victoria, they're all complaining about me.
	Oh, if you would look at everyone else's bio, I'm like, well, sure.
	You know, the bias is really not what they sell it to people, right?
	So a lot of them were unemployed before they got involved to politics.
	They couldn't have a job.
	So they become like political consulting or doing stuff on the ground.
	And then they kind of advance.
	And then they work for the staffer as a staffer in the district office and the congressional office.
	And then they like know how to do all these check marks good, make sure that all these rating groups, you know, rate them good.
	Let's put name on this bill.
	We'll do this messaging bill.
	They never try to accomplish anything.
	All they want to do is they want to stay there.
	Otherwise, they're unemployed or maybe stay there for some time.
	And then they will get like a powerful job to be some government relations person and they will make it, you know, million dollar a year or more.
	Like some of them make a really lot of money.
	So I think we have few.
	You know, they become a government relations because they can sell their political connections then to get good grants and credits for your company.
	You know, you have connections.
	You know people from inside.
	You know how the process works.
	I mean, few of them are living now with having a very high powerful job with going to pay them a lot.
	So that's a lot of a stepstone for someone who never really had a real job.
	That's a percentage.
	There is a percentage there, people that are truly like a passionate people and some like one issue.
	There are a lot of people that come like a lot of people like from social conservatives with pro-life issues.
	They're very passionate about that and they come from kind of a grassroots area.
	Cause driven.
	Cause driven.
	But a lot of people like one issue people, like, you know, like issues like, and the issue is like very narrow.
	Like as long as they care about the issue, whether it's abortion or pro-Second Amendment, they don't really care about other issues.
	So it's sometimes very hard to organize and say, I am also, I'm a strong supporter of pro-Second Amendment.
	I am a strong pro-life supporter.
	But if we don't deal with fiscal issues, that's how they bring communism, take our gun rights.
	But it's very hard sometimes to bring these people into fiscal issues, but where everything is about the money.
	And that is what something, Washington, D.C., what's happening right now, and we are failing as a republic because we have too much corruption with the money.
	And it's truly, I call it corruption not lightly, but it is not even cronism.
	It's a true corruption where politicians figure out that they can buy votes, either Democrats put in all of these NGOs and suppressing poor people, or Republicans giving handouts to a lot of special interest groups that put money in super PACs.
	And all of them put money in super PACs.
	So both establishments of the party figure it out how they can get re-elected and then brainwash and lie to people.
	I think people are waking up, but with money, you have an ability to sell lies.
	And that's why if you look at a lot of conservatives and people that have common sense, they're afraid to really stand up because there is no money, you know, if you are an independent thinker and willing to challenge your party.
	So a lot of them are afraid to do that.
	So, okay, so you're going back to the people that came from having worked for somebody.
	So is their loyalty to the people that gave them favors or is there loyalty to their actual local community voters?
	Who's their loyalty to?
	To Washington, D.C. to get re-elected because they understand.
	I mean, it is.
	What percentage?
	I mean, I do release.
	I would have to calculate, so I don't want to say that.
	But a lot of people are.
	If you look at their biology, 50% are loyalties to D.C.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, listen, yo, of course it is.
	I mean, look at even Kevin McCarthy.
	I don't want to pick on him because he's, but he's pretty much spent all his life in politics.
	I think his only job he had like internships when he was in college.
	He never had a job where he was not involved in politics.
	So you become like a creature of Washington, D.C.
	And I don't think these people even see outside of Washington, D.C.
	A lot of these people don't even live in their districts.
	They just sometimes travel to cut a ribbon.
	So they don't even know what's happening on the ground.
	They didn't live real long.
	Such as who?
	You know, I mean, I mean, listen, I don't want to pick on some of colleagues.
	But when you're saying that to me, that's very weird to me.
	You don't live in the district that you got a lot of people.
	A lot of people don't live in the district.
	What's a lot of people?
	More than 50%, more than 20%.
	Probably, at least 50% of them.
	That don't live in the district that they're living in.
	Yeah, they live in D.C.
	They live in Washington, D.C.
	Yeah, they actually move families and they live in Washington, D.C. Why do they do that?
	Why are they closer to DC than the district that they're representing?
	Well, because it's became, it's, you know, it's convenient.
	It's hard to live.
	That's why, you know, this job is hard and it meant to be hard.
	That's when you don't stay forever.
	But it's difficult to travel between districts, have family there, working in D.C., you're constantly on the move.
	It's hard.
	Is most of your job in D.C., your actual day-to-day job, is a majority of your duties, your job in the local district or in D.C.?
	Well, listen, I consider it to be that I serve the district.
	So I moved most of my operation in the district.
	I actually got rid of a lot of people in D.C. and moved things in the district because I feel my employees in the district serve people better and understand better than a lot of young kids that don't even understand Indiana.
	And I actually have heard that it used to be from some people that work in Congress for a long time.
	It used to be like that many years ago.
	But now it's switch, where most things are done in DC.
	And the district is just kind of a second thought because most money to get re-elected are concentrated in Washington, D.C.
	So a lot of people to get re-elected have to serve Washington, D.C.
	And that's what the problem is, or afraid to challenge Washington, D.C.
	We have some good people, but they kind of either give up and pray and said it takes more than praying, or just don't want to challenge Washington, D.C. because they don't want to be attacked.
	What are some bad things?
	Like, for example, if you're hanging around language, right?
	If all of a sudden I hear my kids using a phrase, like about nine months ago, one of my sons starts saying, that's cap.
	That's cap.
	Rob, you know what that means?
	That's cap.
	So that's cap.
	So Google, what does that cap mean, right?
	And I'm like, what the hell are these kids talking about?
	That's cap.
	And then it's like, okay, that's cap means that's cap.
	Can you pull out what the meaning is?
	That's cap as a slang term for that's fake, that's lying.
	Do you realize the entire day these kids were saying that's cap?
	I had no clue what the hell they were saying.
	I don't have a clue what that's cap means, but they learned it from school, right?
	And you can all of a sudden, if you're a kid and you see your kid is doing some bad things, first thing we look at is what?
	Your peers, because we're picking it up from our peers, right?
	Just like when we were kids, Congress is no different.
	Who are the kids you hang out with, right?
	So what are some bad habits you pick up from being in Congress too long?
	Because if you hang out with certain people in a nightlife too long, maybe eventually you're going to try ecstasy.
	Maybe you're going to try cocaine.
	Maybe you're going to do some drugs.
	Maybe you're going to do some stupid stuff, right?
	If you're hanging out with nightlife people in Las Vegas or Miami, hypothetically.
	You hang out gamblers, eventually you're probably going to be gambling.
	If you hang out with gangsters, eventually you're probably going to be a gangster.
	Or you're going to say, I don't want to hang out with these guys anymore.
	If you hang out successful winners, you're eventually going to hate them or you're going to be successful in a winner.
	What are some bad habits you pick up from being in Congress for too long?
	I think you just give up and become part of the circus, bread and circuses.
	And you lose the energy because the machine is so powerful.
	And as a human beings, you can do so much.
	And I can see from a lot of people that at the beginning of their congressional career, they were strong fighters.
	And then they get like disenchanted, just tired.
	And they kind of, oh, Victoria, we've tried this and it just didn't work.
	And you, so a lot of people just truly give up and they think it's terrible, but they're not willing to fight the fight.
	You know, and it's a constant battle.
	It's unfortunate.
	That's why other people give up or just leave.
	And it's like one of the lobbyists, Victoria, we will outlive here, all of you.
	So we don't worry about that.
	People like you, you know, we'll outlive them here.
	And that's the challenge you have.
	People either leave or not willing.
	And that's something sometimes for some very feisty members.
	I have to re-energize them and say, we have to win this war.
	We have to stand up.
	We cannot be like, you know, and I understand sometimes it's so hard.
	I said, we have to figure something out because this is something, the hill we have to take.
	Okay, so let me ask you another question.
	So what's the dream?
	You know, the dream like, hey, Victoria, let's just say you're a realtor.
	You're working for Compass.
	You're working for Keller Williams or whatever it is.
	Hey, Victoria, the great thing about being in real estate in 20 years, you're going to be able to say you own a beautiful home and you have 20 rental properties that you're making money off of them.
	One day you're going to make a half a million dollars per year and you're going to have money in the bank.
	You don't ever have to worry about it.
	And you're going to go to this and you're going to live off of your clients.
	And that's the dream, right?
	Of being in real estate for 20 years, right?
	Hey, if you're going to be in money under management, one day you're going to have a billion dollars of money under management.
	Just a 1% fee every year.
	You're going to make a million dollars a year, whatever the number is going to be, right?
	You're going to make half a percent.
	You're going to make four or five million dollars per year.
	And we're going to have an incredible life living in New York.
	Okay, great.
	What's the dream?
	Like when you go to lunch, what dream are they talking about?
	What is the dream of one day I'm going to be what if I become a congressperson?
	Well, listen, unfortunately, a lot of people there, someday they're going to leave Congress and make money.
	Congress is a stop stopping.
	I've been lobbying, have some government relation position because a lot of people get into Congress, they already have some money and want to get even richer, or they never had a job and now they have an opportunity to stay there for some time and then, you know, get a job lobbying and make some money.
	And that's unfortunate because...
	Is that openly talked about amongst everybody?
	Huh.
	Not openly.
	Some people, you know, kind of talk about it a little bit, but generally people know who it is, who they are and what it is.
	But I think very few people will say there, you know, you have to energize sometimes people.
	And I will say my colleagues and say we cannot like the country is in trouble.
	We have to do something about it.
	We have to get up and do that.
	But very difficult because all of the incentives, you know, peruse incentives in that job is to do nothing, go with a status quo, and kind of, you know, as long as you don't rub the feathers, if you rub the feathers, you'll be attacked.
	You'll have a bunch of media articles.
	You'll have big money coming up to you.
	It's just so, it's so painful to do that.
	But I truly believe with all this and what I said, if you would have a true leadership, and if somebody say, you know what, because it's a hard job and people sacrifice a lot, really, it's not an easy job.
	And if you truly say, you know what, we're going to take this hill.
	This is important for the country.
	We're going to make tough votes and they matter.
	I think a lot of people would go with it.
	A lot of people say, you know what, I'll do something for the Republic, you know, that actually will be meaningful.
	I think so.
	Yes, I even tell you, it took me a while with Kevin McCarthy when he was a speaker to get him on board to deal with some debt issues.
	And he was not, it's tough and Biden didn't want and he didn't want to fight.
	By the end of his term, he actually agreed with me and said, Victoria, I probably agree.
	This is something probably more consequential if we could get it done in decades in Congress.
	And he actually was on board with me.
	Too bad it took him too long.
	But I think truly, if you get like to human nature there and just us as humans and organize, and if we would have a leadership that can inspire and can move people, I think a lot of people would move because each person would want to have to something, but we don't have leadership and we haven't had it for a very long time.
	And you have to realize the voter sitting there doesn't have a lot of hope right now for the House after what just happened recently with 90 something billion dollars of 61 billion going back to Ukraine.
	So for someone like you, you're born in USSR, right?
	1978.
	Your president at the time, I want to say, was who?
	Brezhnev?
	Is that who it was?
	Yeah, Brezhnev, yeah.
	Okay, so you have after Brezhnev, you have Vasily Kuznetsov, right?
	Then you have Yuri Andropov, then you have Back At It Again, Vasily comes back up, then you got Konstantin Chernyko, then you have Vasily comes again three times, then you have Andrei Gromyko, then you have Gorbachev, Gorbachev, Gorbachev, and then boom.
	You know, obviously, hey, Mr. President, turn down, you know, tear down that wall and then boom, everything changes, right?
	What was USSR like when you were born there?
	What was it like living in a communistic regime?
	Well, listen, I actually, you know, it was interesting because I recently watched a series about Chernobyl, you know, and I was actually very surprised how what a good depiction of Soviet Union was.
	It's American-made, but I was like, wow, like, you know, it reminds me all of this KGB and people following you and make sure you don't stick out.
	And if you say something, you know, they come after you and how they collect data.
	And every college and every school had people that constantly watching you and collecting you.
	And I mean, that literally, literally.
	I mean, yes, it was, you know, they had a communist person that just make sure that no one said against something against the party, watching everyone.
	And if you get on their list, that potentially you could be someone that wouldn't be, you know, potentially would be a problem.
	They will be after you.
	And then they try to use police state through the police or they will try to make people, you know, put some crimes on them.
	Or if they could not do that, they will use mental health.
	You know, they would put people in mental health facilities.
	And if they cannot do that, they would use bandits, actually.
	It was actually very, all of the criminal groups, they were like not part of the government, but they kind of like were used by government if it needed to do that.
	So I think that was a very, you know, I mean, they pretty much allow all of the orphanages to, you know, to breathe, you know, and grow criminals, you know, that went into criminal groups, but at least they were not integrated with government.
	Now, I think criminal groups are part of government.
	It's even worse, you know.
	At least they had some standards, you know, they were separated.
	Now it's really lawlessness.
	But I think that's kind of reminded me, and I actually made my kids to watch it because I thought that was a very good depiction of life.
	You know, I grew up actually by Chernobyl.
	My father was the person who died of cancer because he helped, he was a chief engineer, helped with a lot of building and evacuation.
	So he had died in the age of 41 because he was actually going to the meetings like that.
	Wow.
	You know, so I kind of like, you know, I grew up in that area.
	I remember that.
	I was young, but that was, you know, that actually probably forced the Soviet Union to fall apart.
	You know, and you know, and but how many it's kind of show how meaningless the life is in this system.
	You know, how far did you live from Chernobyl?
	Because yeah, it's 70 kilometers.
	You know, Chernik is 80 years old when it happened.
	Yeah.
	Seven and a half, eight years old when it happened.
	Yes, like 70 kilometers from Chernik.
	Oh, it's very close.
	You know, so that's, and I remember when on May 1st, they had demonstrations.
	You know, this is like, you know, the Labor Day demonstration and celebrate Soviet Union.
	They never told people what's happened.
	People would faint during these demonstrations.
	You know, people were hiding in Germany, but in the Soviet Union, former Soviet Union, they let people go on the streets and a lot of people felt sick and everything else.
	That's how terrible no one cared about the people.
	You know, that's, you know, they only care is about the agenda.
	The only care is, oh, make sure that we can keep our, I look good, and the West wouldn't know what's going on.
	It's all hiding oppression, tyranny, data collection, intimidating people in submission and telling people lies.
	Very strong propaganda.
	And I think that's why human lives don't matter in systems like that.
	It's all, I think it's, I don't know, I think it's Stalin said, you know, life of one person is tragedy, life of millions is statistics.
	So it's all statistic.
	They didn't care as long as they can keep power.
	You know, and that is very, you know, I mean, the system that of oppression, you know, it's very hard to understand until you experience that.
	Okay, so you're in Chernobyl, Pops dies from cancer, 41, living with KGB.
	You're growing up.
	What personal events happened that caused you politically to question things?
	I guess maybe the other question would be, how did they shape your mindset about America, about communism, about capitalism?
	What did you think about those things growing up as a child?
	Well, as a child, you know, we actually thought about evil capital is going to come and send all the snooks and all this stuff, right?
	But what did they say about capitalism?
	Oh, that the evil capital pigs and they all care about rich people and all this stuff.
	And, you know, we're about equality.
	I mean, it's all propaganda, Karl Marx propaganda, right?
	You put, you know, that you use class warfare or you use, you know, religions warfare.
	You know, you always put people, collide people together to oppress, right?
	Because no one wants to have the same outcomes.
	We're different people.
	Some of us want to be politicians, someone wants to be business people, someone to be artists, right?
	So when you force people into do something that you decide as a government they should do, you only can do it through oppression.
	People are born to be free.
	We don't like to be told by someone on top.
	So you have to force and intimidate people.
	There is no other way you can force equal outcomes.
	That's why you can and you will never have equal opportunities.
	Well, I mean, listen, I came here barely speaking English with one suitcase, so my opportunities were tough.
	You know, in 2000.
	You know, so like my opportunities were not that easy, okay?
	You know, but it doesn't matter.
	We're a country about equality of rights.
	You have a right to pursue happiness in whichever way you want.
	And government cannot tell you what you should be or what you do.
	But I think a lot of this is kind of getting lost.
	But if I think about what's really shaped me a lot as a young person, when the Soviet Union fell apart, I went to college and I studied economics.
	And half of my academia was in Kiev.
	So half of my academia was pro-like free enterprise, freedmen, Hayek, and half still was like a communist, Karl Marx.
	But that was a very vibrant time, even though it was very banded times, a lot of criminals.
	I mean, it was terrible, more brutal, but still vibrant time where there was this hope of something bright and hope of something like some democratic freedoms and some, you know, so it was very inspirational in some day, some way, times where, you know, they were building new like stock exchanges and founding all these different democratic principles in the country, post-Soviet countries.
	And being a young person at that time, I read like Alexis de Tocqueville about democracy workers.
	So I read a lot of, you probably made me too idealistic about the United States.
	I read a lot of books of founding fathers.
	You know, when I came here, so I was probably like, thought about, you know, United States of this freedom.
	Like, you know, it's just kind of like when people cross the ocean during founding fathers times, you know, for the freedoms, that was kind of my, in my thought.
	I saw this country of freedom and this like energy of that.
	And I was very surprised when I got some reality checks.
	But it was interesting to me when I got involved, you know, and, you know, with politics at the grassroots level, just being pissed off, I got involved as a Tea Party movement with a lot of older Americans and a lot of them actually already dead, people that were involved with me in early 2000s when that happened, you know, against Obama and everything else.
	And this is what different generations of Americans.
	They were Americans, patriotic, hardworking, with values of similar values like I have.
	So I think it made me also kind of willing to fight with them because I truly believe in, and they shape me also quickly into integrate in this kind of like grassroots movement of Americans that I was willing to go against my own party, start taking down politicians.
	I took down politicians.
	I took party leadership down and I was willing to fight.
	But I think as a young person, exposure to a lot of older Americans with these beliefs shaped me even stronger, my beliefs that we have to fight for that.
	Did you ever read Ayn Rand while you were in Russia or no?
	I read it a little bit, but I think I read it here probably later.
	But we had it like in my high school classes.
	We actually had Gorbachev.
	So after high school?
	No, we had it.
	We had it.
	I think it was like, I tried to remember because when I first time I read it, but I think it was, yeah, they had it because it was kind of like they had during Gorbachev's times.
	I mean, I graduated in 1995, so it was still, you know, so I, you know, it was kind of during Gorbachev and after it was the time where kind of things become more democratic and we started having this 90s were very interesting times, you know.
	Who was Gorbachev?
	Who was Ayn Rand to you guys?
	Like, how did they paint Ayn Roche?
	I think at that time the things were becoming more pro-American, you know, and I think, you know, there was a time, you know, where people start waking up from what's happening and more access to information from outside start coming.
	And we start talking about more about, you know, and plus I had like a family history.
	Like my grandfather, he, you know, his family was sent by Stalin to die, you know, because they were like landowners and, you know, like they sent a lot of Ukrainians, you know, and created famine.
	So he always hated communists, you know.
	So I had that kind of in my, you know, in my family history, I already had people that suffered a lot from communism.
	And he says, like, you always have to be free, and these people are oppressive.
	My father was, he was like a young leader.
	He says, like, all of this stuff is BS, you know, and what they do in it.
	Would they tell you to be quiet, but don't say anything when you go to school?
	My grandfather was not quiet.
	And he actually was very feisty.
	And he was even for some time was sent to Siberia for a little bit for that.
	So he was not quiet.
	He was refusing to join the Communist Party.
	So he was never really a quiet person, you know.
	But, you know, but a lot of people were, you know, and like my grandma, like, she baptized me secretly, you know, and she, you know, I mean, you couldn't go really pray, but she may allow me to pray at night.
	What was a religion that time when you were?
	Or Orthodox Christian.
	But what was what Russia was?
	So you couldn't pray that now.
	What was Russia like?
	Well, listen, you couldn't, like, they have no churches, you know, like if we had to go, like, she secretly brought me to priests, you know.
	Why get rid of churches?
	What was the reason if we're getting rid of churches?
	Because, you know, communists understood religions makes people stronger and less dependent on government.
	You know, the same Second Amendment, why they took guns away from people.
	It makes you stronger individual, why they took land from you.
	That's why they're all now doing the same things here.
	Because when you own property, you're less dependent on government.
	But if you have a public, you know, government provides you all these things, it's easy to control you.
	And, you know, and they know that.
	And that's why religion keeps you as individual.
	The stronger your individual, the harder to oppress.
	So when you take education, if you take guns from people, if you take land from people, if you take religion from people, we become weak people, easy to manipulate.
	And that's what they want to turn you into puppets.
	So that's why they wanted to make sure the only religion is going to be government, you know, only socialist communist agenda.
	And your God is essentially like the president of Russia.
	Right, that's right.
	You know, that you have, you know, your partner where Hitler did.
	Hitler got rid of churches as well.
	Yeah, Communist Party, you know, that's your religion.
	That's your religion, yeah.
	So what was your earliest moment where Putin started becoming public in Russia?
	When did most Russians learn about Putin publicly, where it was a bigger name?
	Well, I think, you know, listen, Putin wasn't as, you know, powerful, you know, in the 90s, but in 2000s, you know, and I think he started gaining power because I think Yeltsin was unfortunately, a lot of Russians, you know, like didn't like that he was weak because Russians have kind of taught from early, and even in Soviet Union times, they probably live worse than Ukrainians if you go to Siberia.
	You know, they have like Moscow and St. Petersburg, it's country within the country, where they have a lot of wealthy people and they live a different life, but they always oppress regions, you know, take a lot of resources and people live very, very poor.
	You know, so to be able to keep the populations like that, you know, oppressed, you have to build some kind of like, you know, nationalism and stuff.
	So they always said like Russians are a little bit better.
	So we'll have this Russian, you know, even during the time of Soviet Union, they considered to be a little bit more superior, like, oh, Ukrainians or Georgians or Armenians, they're like third-class citizens, you know, we are like more superior.
	And they build it in Russians from little age, that they are like imperialistic type of views.
	And everyone else, I was kind of funny where I had some auditing of a subsidiar of our firms back in Moscow.
	And I came as an American, they hated because I was like Ukrainian born and telling Russians what to do.
	Oh my gosh, it's really, you know, it really irritated them so much.
	But it was interesting for me when I observed at that time, I haven't lived in that country when I came as an American, a lot of people in Moscow were telling, my gosh, Victoria, Putin is taking out power more and more and more centralized in power.
	Now he's now appointed governors.
	He's doing this.
	So he started really accumulating a lot of power.
	And Russians, since they had like president, like alcoholic, and it's embarrassing.
	Yeltsin was so embarrassing.
	He was like this tough guy.
	He started building that on like we are going to be respected.
	And I think West made the big mistake that we didn't take him seriously when he decided he's going on a fence.
	And he pretty much said, I don't care about your defenses.
	You know, I'm going on the fence.
	You know, you're not taking me in your club.
	So I'm going to just cause you headaches.
	Putin.
	He did say that.
	He did say that very openly.
	And I think it was a bad mistake that we did not, that we kind of pulled out, didn't help democratic institutions at that time to be built and kind of didn't work.
	with Russia.
	And that was a missed opportunity.
	And then Russia turned into this country that now very agenda-oriented and really has a lot of bad blood because the United States took down the Soviet Union and put in, if you remember history, you have to look.
	He was in charge of KGB in East Germany.
	So he was the guy who pretty much had to face all of this.
	And that's why he became in power so much because he knew where all assets of Soviet Union was.
	So he probably took a lot of them.
	But he knew where everything was happening because Soviet Union had a lot of assets different in the West.
	Who was in his ear the most?
	Did he have somebody that was a mentor?
	Who was in his ear?
	Well, I really don't know his history of the idea, but if you can think about it, you do not become in charge of KGB if you're really stupid.
	First of all, they picked some people that could be, you know, that would be very trained and very good to lead all of this institution like KGB because you have to monitor and oppress and everything else.
	So he definitely grew through that system of knowing how to do propaganda.
	He must have been very talented to do that, you know, to be able to get to the position he was, you know, so and kind of move through that.
	But I think figuring out where the money are, and he, you know, he had that, I think, you know, at that time he had some, you know, he worked for St. Petersburg mayor and he had a lot of people with money and corruption at the time.
	So they kind of, but it's interesting thing what's really turning to Russia right now.
	It's actually former like KGB, FSB, plus the true bandits.
	Like he brought true bandits into power too, like Chechnya truly cuts through bandits, you know, so it's kind of sitting in Kremlin.
	So he created this kind of almost like a collaboration of KGB and Mobrul to oppress.
	And if they cannot use KGB of SB, then they use mobsters after the people and oppress a lot of populations.
	What do you think Putin's vision is?
	Like, for example, right now, you know, there's some people that are like, we got to keep him money, you, Zelensky, we got to help him.
	He's a noble guy.
	We got to help him out.
	We got to do this.
	We got to do that.
	And, you know, just Rob, if you can pull up the clip, I'm sure you're probably going to get the chills all over your body, maybe even get emotional if you see this video.
	And if you want to show the clip of Zelensky and Nancy Pelosi, very sentimental.
	I'm sure, Victoria, this is a special moment in your career if you want to play this.
	Zelensky and Nancy Pelosi, you know, sharing the flag and going through this incredible process.
	And then Rob, if you can play the clip of just last week, after they got the bill passed and what everybody in the house was doing.
	And this clip is, you should have it back in the same place you were at.
	This is just last week after we approved the bill.
	Look at all these Ukrainian flags.
	Most of them are standing on the left side, but also a lot of people on the right side.
	So you see some like this, okay?
	You got Putin, you got Zelensky.
	You didn't say a lot of favorable things about Putin right now, right?
	Who was Zelensky to you when you see Zelensky?
	I'm not a fan of Zelensky.
	Why is that?
	I'll tell you something, you know.
	And unfortunately for Ukrainian people, and I said, listen, I, you know, I actually was very surprised at like, you know, how much attack I got.
	And I was like, listen, I shouldn't be as an American congresswoman, I shouldn't question foreign government that I left 24 years ago from the country.
	What are they doing with our money, getting attacked for that?
	I am proud of my Ukrainian heritage, but I separate heritage from governments.
	And I was very disappointed when I saw what's happening in Ukraine.
	I'll be honest with you, when I ran for Congress, I ran as a CPA to fix our fiscal issues, to protect the border and fix this crushing debt and inflation because, and healthcare, because I knew what's happening.
	I did not even want, I knew how complicated Ukraine was.
	And I didn't want to even deal with that stuff.
	I'll be honest with you.
	I just felt like, oh, MG, big war is coming, and no one is doing anything.
	And it's going to be a big war that can turn the whole Europe.
	And I thought maybe, you know, Biden does a lot of talk and see what he's doing.
	And I was very surprised when I went to Ukraine to see that neither Biden nor Zelensky did nothing before war started.
	And if you remember, you know, when Trump said to Putin, not under my watch, and Putin only understands the power.
	He doesn't care about messaging crazy or statements, waving flags.
	That doesn't matter.
	He is who understands only power.
	The only deterrence for him not to move further.
	And he will move further as much as you'd let him move further and cause a lot of headaches.
	And what he's doing in the Middle East is caused by him too.
	And China and Iran, it's all they do it jointly because they after us.
	And now they teamed up officially to come after us.
	But the only way you can deal with them, you have to have a strategy.
	And it's not just weapons.
	We took down the Soviet Union actually by dealing with oil and financial markets.
	We limited access to financial markets for the Soviet Union and suppress of price of oil.
	And what we're doing, we're doing nothing right now.
	Putin is doing a lot of, you know, making a lot of money that he can't finance his war.
	And then we actually have our pipelines at half capacity and don't do permitting for natural gas.
	And when Trump said, Germany, what in the hell are you doing?
	Why are you so dependent on Russia?
	Or told Europeans, you're not serious, you need to get to 2%, because that's a bigger problem for you than for us, which 100% true.
	I mean, this is a bigger Europeans are doing nothing.
	Why they always think that Americans should go and bail them out and they can leave the socialism BS.
	You know, I mean, people are tired of that.
	I'm tired of that too, because our grandchildren will be paying for that.
	But I'll tell you, Zelensky did nothing.
	I was shocked.
	When we came, so the first time I came, it was actually a few weeks before the war, when Biden was saying, oh, Putin is going to attack, he's going to attack.
	I was very surprised.
	They were not getting, oh, we cannot have panic.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	We were ready that, you know, during Soviet time, that we're going to have missiles landing and we were practicing, you know, monthly, you know, to, if America is going to attack us, we were actually putting, every student was putting AK-47s together.
	We had a test in 45 seconds.
	We did girls and boys to make sure if Americans come to fight with us.
	That was a test required.
	And you actually have war already from 2014.
	I mean, people don't realize the war started in 2014 under Obama Biden, you know, which gave blankets to Ukraine.
	Trump was the first one who gave weapons to Ukraine.
	But I think, and you do nothing, you're not getting the country ready.
	So I was very surprised.
	And then Biden did nothing.
	We were telling Vouquet, we need to put some deterrences because Putin understands if you're serious, you know, he's not that dumb.
	But we did nothing.
	Then the war started.
	The same thing.
	You know, Biden slow walked the A, did nothing.
	And what is he doing?
	He's trying to turn it into a 20-year war.
	And this is terrible.
	It's cost a lot of money.
	It costs a lot of lives.
	And I don't think West wins on longevity.
	We speed up on agility and speed.
	Democracies are not as good.
	Dictatorships prevail in the long run.
	I said, I don't understand why we're doing that.
	This is dumb strategy.
	What are we doing?
	I understand we cannot have Russia doing what they're doing.
	It causes a lot of headaches what they're doing right now for all of us.
	But we need to be more serious, and they were not serious about that.
	And so that's why I was very surprised.
	And the same Zelensky.
	And then no one built, like, we're talking about, no one even built, like, okay, let's say your strategy to have a 20-year war.
	You know, I completely disagree.
	But let's say I am wrong, you're right.
	Werewolves building all of the capacity.
	Putin is doing production in his country.
	He figured out how to do it.
	Ukraine is doing nothing.
	And Biden is doing nothing.
	So you push this war in a long-term war, but you don't even build, didn't even build capacity.
	So what is your real strategy?
	That is puzzling me.
	What is he really doing?
	And where is the money going?
	I could never, I had an NDA amendment.
	I said, I want to know which countries and which companies receive all the cash.
	We pass it through the House.
	They took it out in the Senate.
	They never report to Congress.
	They don't report to the American people.
	What's happening?
	And I think that's a problem.
	So I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.
	I understand what it is, but we cannot have the slash funds.
	And I think that just, you know, I object to that.
	And I think Zelensky's been a very weak leader.
	I think Putin takes advantage of that.
	He has a lot of corrupt people around him.
	And Russia takes advantage of that.
	They know very well.
	You put like a puppet, someone like Zelensky, similar like him, put a bunch of people around him that you can buy, and that's very convenient for Russia.
	So how much do you know about this?
	Ukraine said it uncovered $40 million corruption scheme and weapons procurement, where some are even speculating that Zelensky is taking money off the money that's being given to his country.
	Do you think that level of corruption is being happening right now where he's taking money from it or no?
	Well, listen, I think that's something for them to look at that.
	But what I was just saying, that's why I pushed.
	I said, listen, you know, I was very tough with them.
	That's why they probably hate me.
	It's probably not more than Putin.
	But they have a lot of anti-propaganda against me in Europe and in Ukraine.
	They tell the craziest stuff about me.
	Oh, listen, they put like a billboard on me.
	Like, oh, this is like pro-Kremlin putting asses or something like that.
	It's terrible.
	You know, but it's really, you know, I think when I try to push, because all I said is that I want accountability.
	And I said, I want to have point-to-point logistics.
	I want any weapons will be delivered right to the front line with Americans.
	I don't trust any Ukrainians oversee that.
	You know, there are some good people there, a lot of shady people.
	And that's what my conflict with them started.
	That I said, I want point-to-point logistics.
	And Americans too, we see what's happening with weapons.
	And I'm not supporting giving cash to the Ukrainian government.
	No, I do not trust them even a little bit.
	I understand.
	Why not?
	Well, listen, I mean, unfortunately.
	You think he's capable of stealing money from listen.
	Listen, everyone is, you know, or they can steal their own money and then ask us to refill the budget.
	You know, that's.
	I think there's chances that he's already stolen some money from us.
	Listen, I mean, considering how that country is, you know, I mean, listen, let's just be very honest who we're dealing with.
	Unfortunately, the former Soviet Republic, except maybe Baltics, whether it's Russia, Ukraine, or any other ones, a very corrupt country.
	The whole Eastern Europe, unfortunately, struggling still from corruption and the level of corruption.
	When you have a war and opportunities, you know, for corruption, when you have infiltration by Russia too, you know, Russians know if they infiltrate Ukraine, and that's been happening a lot, actually, when he had to fire a bunch of closed people, you know, then you can, corruption can lose any war.
	And I think that's a big challenge to do that.
	And I said, listen, they can deal with their own corruption.
	My responsibility for American weapons and money, what we're doing here.
	I am an American congresswoman, and I want to make sure that they are not, you know, taking our money and weapons.
	And that's what, you know, I was very surprised when Biden said, and that's why I put pressure.
	They started a little bit better, where I said, okay, what do you mean?
	Like, I don't know what's happening after the border crossed, you know, after we gave stuff at the Polish border, and we don't know what's happening.
	I said, that's BS.
	That is unacceptable.
	What is the current way when we give money, what happens to the money, and who does the money go to?
	Like right now, the $61 billion, right?
	That's going to go to Ukraine.
	Where is that going?
	You don't know if they're going to go to Ukraine because if you think about it, that's what the problem I had.
	Like, I know from even one of the packages before, you know, the billion dollars went to Yemen, who is, you know, who thinks it Yemen that were taken from a terrorist list that's shooting our ships.
	You know, so like they have associated causes.
	So Ukraine is becoming a slush fund where not all this money actually go directly.
	Some of the money go to rebuild some of our allies, you know, there, you know, in Europe, okay?
	That's all great, but why is that part of Ukrainian money?
	Some of the rebuild our stockpiles.
	Some of them, you know, some of the countries give garbage to Ukraine and then bought some new equipment and Ukraine got half of not working.
	So I think this is just not the right way to do it.
	That's why I had a very big objections.
	Like we don't even know.
	The way how this bill is written, you know, most of them, we don't even know what is even go directly to Ukraine.
	Only part of it, I believe it's like 16 or something billion.
	It's, you know, it says Ukraine security assistance for Ukraine specifically.
	But even part of that could be used to replenish stockpiles to some countries that gave Ukraine.
	And we never can give an answer who gave what and where it is.
	So that's why I was surprised to see that a lot of these weapons, I didn't even see them there.
	So they were all who knows where what Biden is doing.
	The same blank check with his drawers, you know, he can give to any international organizations.
	He can give to UN.
	I've never seen UN doing anything there.
	What do you think is the connection with Zelensky and Biden?
	You know, some people speculate that maybe because of barisma and what happened in the past and his son and Biden, Hunter, and all this stuff.
	Do you think there's any link to all of a sudden his loyalty being so high in defending Ukraine?
	You think there's anything going there?
	I think Biden actually, I would actually have a different perspective.
	I actually was surprised how not helpful Biden was and how Jake Sullivan was actually blocking most of the approvals of the aid.
	He was the one who's actually, so I would know, I would, you know, and it's interesting because a lot of people don't realize that Hunter Biden, the oligarchy that he was getting money from, is actually, you know, work for the guy who is hiding under Putin in Russia right now.
	So he worked for Yanukovych and he was from pro-Russian oligarchs, not really pro-Ukrainian oligarchs.
	And some of the people in Zelensky administration, like Tatarov, he's the one who was killing people and protesters on Maidan.
	So it's very interesting how he has a lot of people in his administration that actually used to be very close to Yanukovych, which surprises me.
	So I didn't see them as being like freedom-loving people at all.
	You know, that makes me question at all where is the loyalty and what Biden is, you know, and what is really, because he was not really trying to, you know, he was more appeasing Russia than I ever seen.
	You know, Trump gets a lot of slack, you know, but Trump was probably way tougher on Russia, way tough on Russia than Biden.
	Biden is just lets Russia and Iran and China eat our lunch.
	Mainstream media disagrees with you.
	Oh, no, he's let them eat our lunch.
	Mainstream media would say you're delusional for saying what you just said right now.
	They would say, are you kidding me?
	You know, there's no way Trump was all about Putin and Biden is the one that's helping out Ukraine.
	The average person will listen to what you just said and they said, what is she talking about?
	No, I'm talking the facts.
	You're not grandiose statement.
	Biden does grandiose statements.
	But if actually, if you listen to recent Putin's interview and they ask him who would he prefer, he actually said Biden.
	He said, I would be him.
	He was able to do whatever the hell he wanted under Biden and Trump.
	I'm going to pull that up right now.
	And under Biden and Obama.
	I mean, he did that.
	I mean, I would be too, because he knows that the guy is weak.
	He's political and corrupt.
	And a lot of people around him are very shady.
	Like Jake Sullivan, I do not even know what in the hell is going on.
	And this is the same guy he worked for Hillary Clinton and made a lot of very strange deals for her, too.
	Jake Solomon.
	Okay, so between the two, I don't know if you care about this or not.
	When you hear people saying Putin is worth $200 billion, what do you think about that?
	Oh, I'm probably one of the richest people in the world.
	What do you think about Zelensky?
	You think Zelensky's also a pretty rich guy?
	I think by now, probably.
	He's a billionaire by now, you think?
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	I really don't.
	But considering how that country is, he was put in there by oligarch, but now he acts like he's an oligarch or maybe people around him.
	So it's hard for me to say.
	What's the business model?
	What is a guy like Zelensky?
	You go into business.
	Okay.
	It's a business model on how to make money.
	It's not hard to find out how to make money, right?
	What is the business model for Zelensky to become a billionaire?
	Well, listen, is everything like that in this country is like that?
	And listen, and I don't want to, you know, I'll be speculating here because I didn't go like and trace the accounts, which, you know, we probably should see at least what's happening with our money.
	You know, I'm pretty sure they're stealing money of their own people, you know, but at least like, don't screw with our money.
	That's what I told them.
	And I use probably much harder word, you know, than I said.
	I use a bad word.
	What did you say?
	I said, don't laugh with our money and weapons.
	But these are bandits.
	You know, they only understand words like that.
	You know, they just don't understand that.
	So you think Zelensky?
	Oh, well, listen, these people come.
	You know, this is people come from all of these kind of groups, you know, like, and, you know, all of this, you know, Putin, Zelen, all of these people.
	But you have this, the challenge what we have, we have this young people that are very patriotic.
	They keep taking, you know, governments.
	They did one another, try to find freedoms in Ukraine.
	And they keep elected one government after another that is corrupt.
	That's why it's hard to get out of that circle.
	So I separate Ukrainian fighters and soldiers, truly patriotic young people from their government that actually not helping them.
	Sometimes see competition in the military because they worry about them.
	That's why I say like Second Amendment, right?
	It's against tyranny because politicians in Ukraine at least nervous now because the military has a lot of weapons and that's when people own weapons.
	That's actually, you know, something that against tyranny and keeps us strong as a republic.
	And it's very important, right?
	People don't understand that the government makes nervous when people do have the ability to actually have guns and they don't have to rely on them.
	But I think, you know, this is how this country is.
	You know, that, you know, everyone is just taking businesses.
	Trust more.
	Do you trust Putin more or Zelensky more?
	Well, listen, you know, this is a different.
	I wouldn't trust either one, right?
	But I'll tell you something that is really, I mean, there is no doubt, you know, that unfortunately what Russia turned under Putin, it's became a very brutal dictatorial country and Putin is going to kill in millions.
	It's sad for me to see.
	He's killing millions.
	He's killing, oh, he's going to.
	I mean, this is unfortunate.
	Like people with Wagner Group in Africa, what's they doing there, helping China?
	I mean, it's terrible, right?
	So it's sad to me to see what's happening there.
	But I also think, you know, he has ego, ambition, and he has, you know, it's really, it's, you know, it's terrible what he's doing.
	It's an evil power he became.
	But I also very get upset because, you know, it's very different.
	You know, Russians are brainwashed with all of this.
	You know, he's pretty much done it to his people.
	But it was very sad for me to see when Zelensky has, you know, this young people that are very, you know, brave and very strong.
	And freedom loving, and he is selling out the country to some of the oligarchs and people around him and and making money and there's a bloodshed, you know.
	So this is really betrayal of the country.
	So I have no high regards for other one.
	You know, I don't have a very high regards for our president here.
	I'll be honest with you, our president is selling out, selling out our country.
	He's betraying the American people.
	Unfortunately, we have a lot of bad leaders, I mean in a different way, but Biden and Zelensky, let Put In, do what he's doing right now with their corruption and weaknesses, and I think that is the biggest problem we have and we didn't deter very evil power.
	You think it'd be different if Trump becomes president 2025?
	Listen, I think um Trump is very tough and he's very serious, at least you know.
	I mean, sometimes you know he can be very unexpected in foreign policy and I think it's a deterrence.
	We need to have someone with trends because unfortunately, you know, people like Putin are not going to be listening to grandiose statements that Biden is doing.
	You know they only understand the strengths and I think you'll have to have a president like that okay, so let me ask you this, so now one may say, well uh congresswoman respectfully, so you're saying you're not for sending money to Zelensky and Ukraine, but you're for sending money to Israel and the humanitarian aid?
	Why would you support Israel but not support money to Ukraine?
	Well listen, as I said, you know the the situation with Ukraine.
	I said I would support for Ukraine to get lethal aid.
	You know, to hold the ground for the military, because I honestly don't think under Biden and Zelensky they can win.
	You know, in exchange for some border security.
	That was an agreement because unfortunately, without strategy, we cannot have this never-ending slash funds and I don't think strategy is going to happen under this president for two years he now makes.
	Russia is winning this war under his leadership and Democrats.
	Okay, let's just be honest.
	Where they are right now, it's not because of Republicans.
	They actually were in charge when the war started and he is losing that war to Russia and Putin, where he's now moving into in destabilizing the Middle East and we have another serious crisis happening there.
	So they try to blame Republicans, but it's actually lie.
	So, but with Israel, we also have a serious situation there too.
	You know, Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East and if we keep abandoning our allies.
	People don't understand the implications of that.
	Now you have the situation in the Middle East that every country you know is watching and thinking, okay, maybe at least you know China give, like you, a bunch of money, Put you in debt, Russia, cheap weapons, but they stick with you.
	Americans can just abandon you in a tough moment.
	I think that is a serious problem for our national security.
	So, a lot of countries that start making bets: should we be with the United States or not with the United States?
	And we cannot stay in the world alone.
	We need to have a lie.
	But I think we need to put pressure on some our allies in the Middle East and say there is no white and black.
	You know, there is no greats, white and black.
	You know, you have to decide: are you with China, Russia, and Iran, or with us?
	And you have to make that decision.
	And we haven't been that tough.
	And I think now Russia with China are advancing, you know, in the Middle East as they've done in Africa and some other areas of South America.
	And that's not good for our national interest.
	So we have to support Israel.
	But I think the situation has been mishandled.
	If you remember, the same Jake Sullivan was telling.
	I mean, listen, I mean, he's kind of running the show there.
	He's making decisions, not Biden.
	So let's be honest.
	Do you think Jake Sullivan is running the show?
	Truly, truly is.
	Truly is.
	He's the main guy there.
	He's actually running all of the national security and all decisions.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Have you dealt with him?
	Have you met him?
	Oh, yeah, I have.
	We don't have a Veric Fred like Chamber.
	No, no way in hell.
	Jake Sullivan.
	Listen, I was very, a lot of actions, what they were doing, very surprising to me.
	Almost like, actually, it's kind of funny when they were doing sanctions on some of the oligarchs.
	They excluded one of the top friends of Putin and never put him in sanctions.
	I was very surprised.
	Who was that?
	Questioning that Abramovich.
	You know, and I was like, I was questioning that, and after I questioned that next day, Abramovich is selling his team and does a charity.
	I'm like, well, that was very interesting for me.
	You know, I just, you know, I don't know much, these oligarchs, but I've heard about them quite a lot.
	He's kind of a known commodity for a long time, being close to Putin.
	So, you know, a lot of actions they take are very strength and very political.
	Maybe just politically, they're afraid and try to make some deals.
	But I think that the challenge, and then the same, you know, the same guy was telling, oh, we have this peace and security in the Middle East.
	I don't remember how he phrased that article before the attack, maybe a few days before the attack.
	And you have to be pretty bad when you can become where Iran and Saudi Arabia and China shaking hands and taking pictures where they actually hate Saudi Arabia hates us more than Iran.
	How wild is that?
	But I mean, you have to be pretty bad in foreign policy.
	Yeah, I'm looking at what he did before.
	Previously, he was a director of policy to President Obama, National Security Advisor to then Vice President Biden and Deputy Chief of Staff to Security Secretary Hillary Clinton of the Department of State.
	And he served as a senior advisor to the U.S. federal government at the Iran nuclear negotiation as senior policy advisor to Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, as well as visiting professor at Yale.
	And back in the days, he was a Coca-Cola scholar, debate champion, and president of the student council and voted most likely to succeed in his class.
	That's Jake Sullivan for you.
	Your favorite person.
	Okay, I'm going to ask you a question about Jake Saul, about George Soros.
	I don't know how you feel about George Soros, but I'm curious to know what you're going to say about him.
	So about all the protests that are going on in different colleges, okay, here's some numbers that came out.
	Columbia University, more than 100 protests and arrests.
	Yale, over 50 arrests.
	Okay.
	Princeton, two students, graduate students arrested.
	Harvard, told students not to come back.
	I think they closed it down throughout the weekend.
	Friday, students have been protesting and setting up tents.
	In Northwestern University, George Washington University, UCLA, hundreds of students setting up tents at the school.
	Then you have police arrest 100 people at Northeastern University in Boston, Indiana University, Ohio University, 30 students arrested.
	Emory University, 28 students arrested.
	Emerson College, over 100 people arrested.
	USC, 93 demonstrated arrested.
	University of Texas, 50 protesters arrested.
	NYU, 100 students arrested, and 20 professors arrested in NYU.
	Then, an article comes out, I believe it's with New York Post: George Soros is paying left-wing activists to head up camp outs at college across country as huge wads of cash.
	They're getting paid.
	So then I'm looking at this article and it shows Open Society Foundation records show Soros Grant Making Network gave $13.7 million of the money through Tit Center.
	Okay, and Tites Foundation has given millions to organizations who have organized pro-Palestinian protests according to Capital Research Center, $650,000 to Jewish Voice for Peace, $710,000 to Adala Justice Project, a pro-Palestinian group, another $86,000 to If Not Now, $38,000 to Progressive Center for Constitutional Rights, $600,000 to Mass Liberation Project, $132,000 to Westpac.
	This keeps going on.
	Society Foundation, Open Society Foundation gave $700,000 education for just peace in the Middle East since 2018.
	Rockefeller gave another $5.15,000.
	And then if you look at this now, U.S. Campaign for Palestinian Rights received Soros money and paid students, youth fellows, they receive stipends of $2,880 to $3,360 for a three-month term of roughly eight hours a week and $7,800 for community-based fellows.
	One, what do you think about Soros?
	Two, why would a Hungarian Jew support all of these protests, pro-Palestinian protests?
	Well, if you remember what Revolution was created too, Soviet Revolution in 1917 was, and Marxist Revolution was actually created by a lot of Jews, Marxists, you know, from Europe.
	And you know, this is Marx and ideologies, unfortunately, you know, it's been very effective.
	And we should not underestimate that.
	He's a billionaire, though.
	George Soros is a billionaire.
	But, you know, listen, there are a lot of billionaires with agenda that believe that our country is not, you know, what they want it to be.
	There are a lot of, you know, if I look at what's happening in our country, I hate to tell you, we are moving closer to socialism and Marxists.
	In some ways, they're even worse than being in the Soviet Union.
	Some of the things that I've just said, somebody could say how.
	I'll tell you something because I think what happened in college campuses, there was probably more freedom than less intimidation during Soviet Union time, even to say that what's happening in our colleges, a pure intimidation.
	It's a pure intimidation.
	They don't have this kind of intimidation.
	No, no, that was not even that.
	You know, it wasn't really, this is a level of intimidation with violence that is truly Marxist view of that.
	Even like in all the times of Soviet Union, they didn't have as much aggression.
	That maybe happened in 1917, you know, after the revolution that they tried to intimidate everyone.
	You know, that's how they tried to instill this.
	But this is really class warfare, religious warfare, race warfare.
	It's truly Marxist 101.
	That's how you're going to destabilize the country from within.
	And that's how you're going to use this to propaganda.
	And it's becoming much more dangerous even now because there is so much data collection on people and access.
	You actually, for China right now or Russia to access us within the country, destabilize, they don't have to enter the country.
	They can do it from outside through bots, social media, through all of this organizing.
	And we still cannot protect the privacy and data of Americans.
	I think this is Congress.
	I think this is our duty and we're not doing that.
	And I think that's critical.
	But we have a lot of money.
	And I think, you know, Soros and Obama, they were brilliant to use money, you know, to promote agenda and destabilize the country.
	Because when you destabilize the country and turn into mob rule, which we're becoming into mob rule, I mean, listen, I always kind of say, I lived in mob rule as long as, you know, I have lots of guns and ammunition.
	I survived that.
	I'm not sure if Americans want to have it, but I'm ready for it.
	I don't think we want to go there.
	But what's happening on the border, what cartels are doing in our country, what happened in our cities with fentanyl, which actually sold majority of us by China and Mexican cartels, you know, that pretty much control the border.
	We don't even have control of our own border.
	You know, what is happening right now is all of the way we turn in country into mob rule.
	We try to put people against each other within college campuses.
	And young people are very easy to brainwash.
	And now, you know, I mean, it's unbelievable that you actually, I had some interns, Jewish kids, interns from, you know, in my office, from colleges, they're truly intimidated.
	They're afraid to be in college campuses.
	I mean, truly afraid.
	It's a coercion, intimidation into power control and in opinion.
	This is like, and this is really done through very violent ways to do that.
	What makes college beings and presidents, what makes them think this is a good idea to push the other side of students out who don't feel safe?
	What kind of a business model is that?
	I think they're afraid.
	A lot of them are afraid.
	Even the president of the people.
	I think a lot of them are afraid.
	Truly.
	They're afraid of very radical people.
	I mean, truly, I was, it's interesting.
	I talked to some academia, one of the major colleges that I actually know them.
	And, you know, and we had a conversation actually, you know, for Jewish heritage, and I said, you've been tenured at academia for such a long time.
	I mean, couldn't you like do something about your administration and try to put pressure on them?
	And this is unbelievable that it's happening right now.
	And the top institutions in our country, I mean, it's all, you know, and they say, well, we tried, they're not agreeing.
	We were actually even offered to have a class on debating different opinions.
	And they're afraid.
	They are afraid to approve even courses where we can, we should be, colleges should be like debates, you know, deliberation of ideas.
	It's okay if you believe in Marxists and I believe in Friedman and Hayek and Smith.
	Let's just deliberate.
	Let's have a healthy conversation.
	Don't intimidate and curse me.
	And they are afraid.
	So there are some of them, you know, they're getting paid, you know, by a lot of liberal money to promote agenda because we have a lot of media now that paid by organization through Soros to write hit pieces and articles.
	And I mean, I'm glad that Trump exists.
	Otherwise, they would be just writing about me.
	I'm joking, but they write so much crap about me.
	I hate that.
	But I think, you know, Trump makes me feel better because no one is doing so much as to him.
	You know, so he gets a lot, much more hit.
	Have you ever met him?
	Have you ever met him?
	No, I haven't.
	I haven't met Soros.
	I haven't.
	And amongst your colleagues and peers, how often does he come up name-wise?
	He comes up a lot.
	And I think, you know, and he's, I think he promotes a lot of him, you know, kind of getting this Obama people.
	How many Congress people does he own?
	Well, I don't know what he owns or not, but I think he pretty much owns radical win of the Democrat Party that took over that party.
	The big money, he owns them.
	I'll tell you, the big money, because a lot of these people, there are some Democrats probably would be normal people, but they're afraid of big money.
	You know, I had some Democrats, honest Democrat, who says, Victoria, you know, like I cannot survive 5 million primary, you know, and if you're going to go against the grain, you will have a 5 million primary.
	I kind of face it similar to things, so hopefully I can survive mine.
	But, you know, you go against your party, you might have big money coming at you.
	And it's very difficult if you're an honest person.
	You know, so some of these Democrats are intimidated.
	And then they try to elect, you know, very radical people.
	So they were able to elect very radical people in their party.
	That's a majority of their party.
	And if anyone tried to go against it, they'll put big money.
	So he funds the big radicals.
	He funds the Democrat Party.
	Does he fund them place them or do they go in and then he sees how radical they are, then he funds them?
	No, no, they place them.
	They prime their primary.
	And if anyone is going to stick their neck out and actually say something that is not going to go in line or vote not in line, they will primarily take you out.
	And I actually know from one congressman, Democrat, because he says that the only reason he survived is just because a lot of people knew him, but they all go in line.
	Do you think there's going to be a black swan event in 2024?
	Listen, I think in some ways, you know, I think 20 is what I'm asking about.
	I understand what you're saying.
	But I think Republicans, we had time to regroup, okay?
	And I think we need to be smarter.
	We had time.
	So I hope Republicans and American people are waking up.
	So I think it will be hard, you know, for Democrats, you know, to do what they did in 2020.
	But I think we can never underestimate our position and their desire to power to take power at any cost and in any way.
	So we just have to get better.
	We just have to become smarter.
	And I hope we have better people this year running the campaigns and what's going to happen because I've seen what they were doing in 2020.
	I want to show you a clip, Rob.
	Can you pull out this clip of the feds protesting and Nazi and all this stuff?
	I don't know if you saw this or not.
	So here's a clip.
	Rob, before we play it, can you let her know who these people are?
	This is the group Patriot Front.
	And they have been labeled a fascist and neo-Nazi hate organization.
	So now go ahead and play this clip.
	You can't see their faces.
	They somehow, some way, all look in shape.
	They're all six feet tall.
	They look like they're extremely athletic, as if they do something else.
	Okay, no problem.
	Rob, go to the picture on the U-Haul they show up in and how they drop them off.
	And all of a sudden you see, you know, if you zoom in a little bit, this is them back in 2022.
	They'll show up in U-Hauls like that with a mask so nobody can see them.
	If you want to show the other clip of the video of them being arrested, I'm sure you have that one as well.
	I think I said that.
	You have it somewhere there.
	Watch this clip here.
	Okay.
	This is them supposedly getting arrested.
	And no cop there has asked them to take their masks off so you can see what they look like.
	Oh, for sure.
	No cop would ever ask it to show your face.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me read the tweet on what this Wall Street Spets guy said.
	If we can zoom out a little bit so I can read the details.
	This is supposedly a video of Patriot Front members being arrested.
	When do police unmask people in custody?
	When do police not unmask people in custody?
	Was this perhaps staged by the FBI and police giving street cred to Patriot Front?
	Who knows?
	The reason why I'm showing you this, today's date is what?
	What is today's date?
	April 29th.
	Do you know when George Floyd happened in 2020 election?
	It was May 25th of 2020.
	It was roughly five months, five months and a week before election time.
	And then the temperature went up.
	And the rest was history, right?
	Now, if you have the video of what Blinken said, if you can play the video of what Blinken said, this is my concern.
	And I'm trying to see what you're going to say about this.
	This is, you know, Blinken, go ahead.
	We have seen, generally speaking, evidence of attempts to influence and arguably interfere.
	And we want to make sure that that's cut off as quickly as possible.
	Because you care.
	Of course you wouldn't want China to meddle.
	Of course, because we got to find somebody to blame.
	And then even Ray said the following.
	Ray is somebody you've gone up against before.
	I think you've gone against both of these guys.
	But here's Ray.
	Ray said the following, saying FBI director Christopher Ray warns Chinese hackers lying in a way to attack U.S. infrastructure upon us now.
	So there's this thing called predictive programming where they instill something in us for us to fear about a future thing coming up.
	A movie comes out called Civil War, which is America Being Against Each Other.
	Another one came out with Barack Obama, a president funding a movie calling Leave the World Behind, which is quite weird that's going on.
	There's a sect in America that feels, just like you said earlier, Democrats, you got to give them credit because they're more clever than Republicans.
	They'll do anything at all costs to win, right?
	What's the likelihood of them all of a sudden telling us if chaos get crazy, all these school universities, if it gets crazy, one student gets shot by a cop, two, three, say people show up, someone dies, and then all of a sudden you hear about, you know, claiming civil unrest, okay?
	And this is what Tom and I were talking about earlier.
	And all these protesting leads to martial law, okay?
	Then seizing all guns.
	Then if they go to digital currency, do you think the American people have a valid concern to worry about how crazy shit could get the next three to six months?
	Or are you from the school of thought of saying, nah, you don't have anything to worry about.
	Everything's going to be normal the next six months.
	Oh, I don't think anything will be normal, but I'll tell you, you know, we have too much guns and ammunition for them to pull that.
	You know, I don't think they will be able to do something like what you say.
	They will try to destabilize, they use every crisis.
	Sometimes I would truly believe create these crises to promote the agenda.
	But I think, you know, I still, when I look, this is like propaganda 101, what it's used.
	And Republicans just have to be smarter, okay?
	We know what they're doing.
	At the same time, like, you can, you know what China is going to be doing.
	You know what Putin is going to be doing.
	Republicans matter.
	I don't think Republicans matter.
	Can I tell you why?
	Let me push back a little bit and you can push back with me.
	Let me tell you why.
	Because RFK came out the other day saying right now we have the biggest independent base, 43%.
	I have Tulsi Gabbard on last week.
	We're having a conversation.
	Tulsi Gabbard is one of the folks that they're looking at as a possible VP for President Trump.
	And RFK, you know, he's on the other side.
	So I don't think Republicans matter that much because Republicans, they have a civil war going on themselves.
	I think who matters is independence.
	For independents, they can easily be swayed.
	They were swayed by the Russia collusion.
	And you said something very interesting when you were talking to, I think the FBI, yeah, you were talking to Christopher Wray when you said you guys were slow with Hillary, slow with Biden, slow with everything, but fast with January 6th and fast with Trump, right?
	Hey, we got to go.
	Hey, we got to go court, court, court.
	Why are you so slow with whatever happened with Hillary?
	Why are you so slow with everything with Hunter Biden?
	Why are you so slow with all this stuff, right?
	So talk to the independent.
	The Independent can be swayed.
	The Independent can be manipulated.
	The Independent can say, oh my God, look what's going on.
	Yes, we should vote for this.
	You don't worry about that?
	Listen, and I completely know what they're doing, but I think American people are waking up.
	And I think a lot of these independent voters, you know, this is a big part of my district.
	I have, you know, suburban, highly educated voters.
	My district used to have been top 30 highest educated in the country.
	Only three of them, I believe, was held by Republicans.
	And most of them, not by conservatives.
	So I understand the district.
	I'm a suburban mother.
	You know, I understand how they manipulate suburban women, how they do it with suburban men and try to use it.
	But I think we just have to be, I think they're waking up and see what's happening.
	And people are not as stupid as they think.
	But I think Republicans need to do a better job.
	We, that's our responsibility to show.
	Because I don't think suburban women want this lawlessness.
	I don't think they want their kids on campuses to be intimidated.
	They did in 2020.
	I don't think they, you know, but I think we have ways they were able to paint it like that's what Trump has created.
	But I think now they cannot say that it's created by Trump.
	What's creating is by lawlessness that Biden has created, by open borders, by having people, you know, pretty much be criminals on the streets not enforcing the law, by anarchies that are creating, by their schools and kids are not being taught and being trying to take control of their kids.
	I think a lot of the suburban voters are waking up and much more.
	And I think they're not candidates now blaming that that's because of Trump.
	So we have to do a much better job.
	I don't underestimate that they will try to use it to stabilize this.
	I don't underestimate that this is violence for them.
	It's a way to take control.
	But I don't think our voters are buying it as much as they think.
	That's why they're not polling as well.
	That's why they try to figure out something else.
	We just need to be better because I think American people are getting tired.
	And that's suburban independent voters, highly educated, they understand that it starts coming home to them.
	It starts hurting their pockets.
	The inflation, the lawlessness, the criminal activity is becoming open borders.
	Unfortunately, until people start feeling the pain, people not waking up, but I think they're waking up.
	But we need to do a better job to make sure that we communicate to the voters.
	When's the last time we had martial law?
	When's the last time we had martial law?
	Rob, can you look it up?
	Yeah, you have to.
	So if we have martial law, you don't need martial law nationwide, right?
	You only martial law in the states that matter, that you're voting for.
	So you can create chaos, you know, structured in a certain sect or location and keep it peaceful other places.
	How many states do we need?
	It's not that many of them.
	Not many counties.
	It's not a district.
	That's counties, right, that we're dealing with.
	That's right.
	So what if we create martial law in certain areas that all of a sudden certain people can't get out to vote?
	What if it gets that ugly?
	What if, let's just play very dirty?
	Let's be deceptive and dark.
	Let's be the devil's advocate.
	Okay?
	Let's be that.
	You lived in Russia.
	You were born in Russia, right?
	Ukraine, Kiev.
	I was born in Iran.
	Guess what?
	We are experiencing, you know, devil's advocate, what Khomeini did and what his people did to make Iran fall.
	What if these guys, guys like Soros, they have a meeting and they say, let's put this much money to pay two groups of people to show up three days, four days, five days a month before election in specific counties and districts that voting matters the most.
	And you cause and paint a picture of civil unrest and potentially local civil war.
	Let's just say.
	You can get the actors.
	There's plenty of actors to hire that'll take $2,800 for a week or whatever.
	People need money, right?
	If we do that and everywhere else seems peaceful, but those three, four, five, six areas, absolute chaotic martial law, people can't go to vote.
	Boom.
	Listen, well, we had a fair election.
	It's just these people on the other side that are the gun-owning people.
	It's just out of control.
	Three people got shot.
	My job is to prevent people from dying.
	Boom.
	They win 2024 again.
	These are the types of things that no matter what we say, I think the American people are becoming aware.
	I agree.
	I do agree with you that more and more people are becoming aware of what's going on.
	I agree.
	I think more and more people are sitting there saying, What the F is going on here?
	What are they doing?
	We've never had this kind of hate, but never underestimate the power of Hollywood movie making manipulation with storytelling of how bad things are and how we have to shut it down for the safety of our kids, for the safety of our kids, for the safety of our kids, because one seven-year-old innocent poor kid if this happens to gets killed.
	And because of that, do you want your kids?
	That's why we have martial law.
	Do you want your kids?
	We want to protect your kids.
	We care about your kids, Victoria.
	We care about your kids.
	We're doing this for you.
	We would never do this for us to win the election.
	We're only doing it because we care about you.
	See how noble we are.
	That's why we're doing it because we care about you and your kids.
	And then all of a sudden, the delusion of people are like, they're right.
	They care about my kids.
	See, that's the part.
	You lived in a place where beautiful place turned into a shit show.
	I lived in a place where beautiful Iran under the shot turned into a shit show.
	Now we both live in a country that people like you and I, who we can't run for president, you do it your way through Congress.
	I'm doing it my way through business.
	We both are kind of concerned to make sure this thing doesn't turn into a shit show.
	Because if America turns into a shit show, the rest of the world is going to be like that.
	It's crude.
	Everybody's crude.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, I appreciate you for coming down.
	I'll give you the final thoughts before we wrap up.
	For the audience watching this, I like the fact that even no matter what we talk about, I'm naturally very optimistic.
	I'm all about future looks bright.
	But I have two sides to my head.
	I got two guys sitting here.
	Okay, just to kind of paint a picture to you.
	It's not the devil and the angel.
	For me, it's more the guy that's like, everything's going to be fine, future looks bright.
	And I have this other guy that's super paranoid.
	Hey, man, you better watch those guys.
	Be careful what they're going to do.
	So I'm always dealing with these two characters that are in my ear talking to me, right?
	For yourself, do you believe the future looks bright?
	Listen, I truly believe in this Republic.
	And when I go see people on the ground, I understand that people are not that stupid as they think.
	They have an ability to do things.
	And they've been doing a lot of things to brainwash people.
	But I'll tell you, they're not as brilliant as we think.
	We've just been stupid and we just have to be smarter.
	We know how they do this one-on-one stuff, okay?
	We know what they potentially could do, but it's a problematic little bit.
	What even you said, they need to figure out how they can get out there, more voters than they need.
	They don't really want to suppress as much voting.
	They need to see how they can, you know, this voting by mail and other things.
	So it's a problematic, right?
	So we know where they can potentially cause problems.
	So we have to be proactive.
	We have to, if the risk exists and assess the risk.
	And they and they're using it like the roadmap is very, it's like what's saying, like, FBI, I said, you guys are very smart.
	You know, you make sure that every FBI agent has amnesia.
	So if you ever come FBI, it says, I don't recall and I don't record as long as you don't record and don't recall.
	You know, so we need to look at their roadmap and where things are going to happen.
	And they're going to be just a few states that matter.
	I hate to say, they're going to be just a few counties because most counties that are controlled by Republican Republicans are actually, most of them are not going to go and do something like Democrat counties that they were going to do whatever it takes to win election.
	We're actually pretty honest people, most of them.
	I mean, we have some bad people in our party, don't get me wrong.
	But generally, people don't run that or power at any cost.
	So they will look at some of these Democrat-run counties, look at the legal framework and how they can abuse the system.
	And what can they do before and during the election?
	Well, we can do the same.
	We're actually brilliant.
	We're entrepreneur.
	We're actually innovators.
	I mean, we can look at things and we know what they're going to do.
	And if we are not stupid, we're going to think through things, what is going to happen, and how we can be more proactive.
	We just have to be more proactive.
	And we haven't been as a party.
	I am being pushing on my own party.
	And I don't know if we have new people on RNC.
	I'm very disappointed how my party is doing.
	I think, you know, our party needs to be better.
	But I also truly, when I go and talk to normal Americans, Americans are tired of this BS.
	Americans have seen that their government is not serving them.
	Americans do not want to live under tyrannical government.
	You know, I think people have been stressed out.
	We have to do a better job, educated people.
	And like I probably, I'm the only politician that does townholes in my district in Indiana, the whole state, you know, because I want to have an honest conversation.
	And when I have honest conversation with American people, even the ones who don't disagree, who disagree who do disagree, they actually appreciate that.
	We have to have some common sense.
	I truly believe that if we have so much innovation and so much things on the ground, but I also think that this innovation now is having podcasts like yours, having the ability to communicate directly through social media, not just propaganda on TV, gives us enormous opportunity to bring information to our voters.
	And that is honestly becoming the only way sometimes because every single is paid to say BS and lies, you know, and propaganda.
	So you have this honest conversation.
	So I appreciate for people like you are that exist because at least, you know, maybe people agree, maybe disagree, but at least they can hear the truth.
	Because when people hear the truth, they can put pressure.
	You know, and I think that is a challenge.
	The only challenge I see, the bigger challenge I see, how do we educate young people?
	How do we educate what is the core of our republic?
	Because people like you and me, you know, grew up on the tyrannical government.
	I think we would fix, if you and me could be president, we would fix the things quickly just because, you know, just because we know what at stake and we cannot be easily brainwashed.
	We see where the lies come and who is telling, you know, how can we teach our children too in the future generations of Americans for them not to believe propaganda, you know, which is going to be even harder now because so much to really be independent thinker and really be proactive and understand that we are the greatest republic because we have the most freedom.
	And your government has to protect the rights, your rights to life, liberty, and property and steal the hell out of your way.
	That is what is really united.
	You know, we have very different backgrounds and religions and, you know, and countries and heritages, but that is what makes us an American because we believe in fundamental and fun of our country.
	That will make our country great.
	And I hope, you know, and it is probably my job and also as a politician to do more of that.
	Unfortunately, we're too busy, but I'll try to spend as much time as I can to do more of that, especially with younger people.
	Fantastic.
	Listen, keep fighting the fight.
	It's great to have you on.
	I know it's going to be wild the next six months.
	I think you're going to be very busy the next six months.
	You're going to have a lot of things to do.
	But Congresswoman Victoria Spartz, it's great to have you on.
	Appreciate you.
	Gang, I believe we have a home team podcast tomorrow, Rob, if I'm not mistaken.
	We will see you guys tomorrow morning, 9 a.m.
	Take care, everybody.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Thank you.

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