PBD - Patrick Bet-David - OJ Simpson DEAD! Caitlin Clark's Dominance, ESPN & WOKE Disney w/ Sage Steele | PBD Podcast

April 11, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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OJ Simpson DEAD! Caitlin Clark's Dominance, ESPN & WOKE Disney w/ Sage Steele | PBD Podcast | Ep 394

Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by Sage Steele! Sage Marie Steele is an American television anchor who is the former co-host of the 12 noon SportsCenter on ESPN. She also hosted SportsCenter on the Road from various sporting events such as the Super Bowl and The Masters, and NBA Countdown on ESPN and ABC for four seasons, ending in 2017. 00:00 - Show Intro 01:25 - Sage Steele talks about accidentally calling Dana White "Joe Rogan" during an interview. 05:51- Sage explains what led to her leaving ESPN. 16:39 - Who is behind the woke agenda at Disney? 21:38 - Does ESPN censor their anchors who have dissenting opinions on politics? 25:37 - ESPN fired long time producer Norby Williamson who famous beefed with Pat McAfee. 30:37 - Was the older ESPN better than the new ESPN? 36:54 - Sage discusses her relationship with Jason Whitlock. 1:06:59 - Paul Pierce Says Caitlin Clark Earned His Respect in Win Vs. LSU Because ‘We Saw a White Girl in Iowa Do it to a Bunch of Black Girls’ 1:24:21 - OJ Simpson had died at 76 years old at cancer. 1:33:26 - Sage discusses her controversial and scripted interview with Joe Biden. 1:43:55 - Why does Keith Olbermann suck so much? 1:49:32 - The Rock displayed ‘political cowardice’ by not endorsing Biden, former ESPN anchor claims. 2:02:58 - Barbara Walters attacked Sage Steele back stage at The View over comments on Barack Obama. See Vincent Oshana, Adam Sosnick and Rob Garguilo Thursday night at the Miami Improv: https://bit.ly/3xqJVg5 Purchase tickets to PBD Podcast LIVE! w/ Tulsi Gabbard on April 25th: https://bit.ly/3VmuaRm Connect one-on-one with the right expert for you on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick Bet-David on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Connect with Sage Steele on Minnect: https://bit.ly/4auForQ Connect with Adam Sosnick on Minnect: https://bit.ly/42mnnc4 Connect with Tom Ellsworth on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3UgJjmR Connect with Vincent Oshana on Minnect: https://bit.ly/47TFCXq Connect with Rob Garguilo on Minnect: https://bit.ly/426IG0R Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Sirina's saying, what the GBD?
	He's not saying that.
	GBD.
	All right.
	Well, episode number 394 with the great Sage Steel, which we spent, I want to say four, five, six hours at the UFC.
	And we sat there and we talked and laughed and saw a bunch of blood, saw a couple fights, people getting knocked out, having great conversations, history.
	And then afterwards, we said, hey, let's do, let's do, let's do a podcast together here.
	For Sage's background, obviously, we know the story.
	16 years ESPN.
	Previous to that, Army Brat at ESPN.
	She was one of the faces.
	She worked Sports Center.
	She worked Super Bowl.
	She worked the Masters.
	I think you worked the Masters as well.
	That was great.
	All these other things that she did.
	And then eventually last August, I think August 2023, we all got the news that no longer with ESPN.
	Things happened.
	And then everybody's kind of following the story.
	And then obviously, finally, we got her here on the podcast today.
	Sage, it's great to have you on the podcast.
	I am so excited to be here.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	And I thought the most appropriate question to start off with.
	We've got a lot of questions to go through.
	I think a softball question to start off with to see what you're going to say to this.
	What is Pam Oliver's dream?
	Oh, my God.
	I think so.
	I just want to know what's going on.
	Can you answer the question, please?
	Because I'm out.
	I'm out.
	We need an Oliver Sage.
	I have to do it.
	By the way.
	You know I love you.
	But when I saw that, I'm like, are you kidding me?
	It was such a great moment with Dana.
	I'm like, are you serious?
	If there's anything that you thought was going to go viral, and what made it even more is Dana's reaction.
	The best.
	We have to play this clip.
	Go ahead and play this clip, Rob, if you can't.
	Go for it.
	Here's Dana.
	It's Joe Rogan's dream.
	What's Joe Rogan's dream?
	What's Dana White's dream?
	I love Joe.
	You think that was Joe Rogan?
	I totally did.
	She just called me fucking Joe Rogan.
	You thought it was fucking Joe Rogan.
	Yeah, I thought you were.
	I was born before Joe was ever born.
	She did a two-hour fucking podcast.
	I flew here from Vegas and then she thought she was interviewing Joe Rogan.
	You now love Dana.
	Dana.
	Okay.
	Okay, so tell us the story.
	We need to know.
	Yes.
	What had happened?
	What happened?
	The check-in account and the savings account.
	First of all, first of all.
	It was a drink.
	Dana is amazing.
	And he's become a really, really good friend.
	Like, I have always admired him, and now it's another level.
	Number one.
	Number two, that moment happened at the end of an hour and 20-some minute podcast.
	Obviously, I knew who I was talking to.
	I'm the one that booked him, for God's sake.
	But like, if you watch, which apparently you all did not yet, the very beginning, the very thing is the very beginning, I was like, what are you drinking?
	Can I have a sip?
	He's like, yes, it's Joe Rogan's energy drink.
	And then we went on to hear that it's elk blood, blah, blah, blah.
	I was like, what the hell did you have me drink?
	So Joe Rogan was in my head from the beginning.
	I actually think after that moment, I called him Joe like immediately.
	And no one caught it.
	I didn't catch it.
	Dana didn't catch it.
	So then you fast forward to an hour and a half later and I said it.
	And literally, I want you to think about that moment, though, especially when he just looked at me.
	Joe Rogan's dream?
	My heart completely.
	It was the best though.
	I was dying.
	Well, and here's the best part, I think.
	Number one, he's got such a great sense of humor.
	He could have walked off, but he knows me and he knows that I screwed up.
	But I would like a little love from you guys for what?
	I have full editorial control.
	I could have cut that out.
	Oh, for sure.
	I respect you.
	I think if you don't laugh at yourself.
	I was about to say that.
	That's fantastic.
	I had fun with it.
	And by the way, like somebody asked me yesterday, actually, Dave Rubin asked me yesterday.
	He was like, okay, you're a great actress.
	I would go, actress?
	You think I would do that on purpose?
	Look like an ass on purpose?
	No, that was completely organic.
	And then he told the story about Howie Mandel being confused for Howie Mandel.
	He didn't know that my studio was in Howie Mandel's studio.
	Howie Mandel literally walked in.
	He had no idea.
	Like the whole thing was unplanned, swear to God.
	And I just am grateful that he still loves me.
	And that he was like, Sage, are you kidding me?
	You keep that in there.
	Well, Sage, thank you for that explanation because I thought that you thought that a certain type of people all look the same.
	So I was like, what?
	We're going back.
	That's not going there.
	But no, honestly, but you know what, though?
	That is why people love podcasts because there is an element of too perfect on TV that everything is presented so perfectly, teleprompter and cutting this and cutting that.
	And you don't leave the embarrassing moment.
	And sometimes there's no way in the world you're going to be doing podcasts, interviews, shows, and not have moments.
	We've all had it.
	You're going to continue having them.
	And the audience loves it.
	If you cut that out, sometimes that's the best part.
	We used to, at the end of the clips that I used to do, the team had a little bit too much fun with this.
	My English would always get some.
	He always makes fun of the way I pronounce certain words.
	And so they would leave the spoof at the end for 30 seconds of everything I got wrong.
	And the audience would wait just to comment on all the errors I made.
	But it was funny.
	It was a great thing.
	You got to be comfortable with yourself.
	And by the way, I got three kids.
	I mix up my kids' names all the time.
	And I know my kids, I think.
	So I think, but yeah, what the hell?
	Plus, I think it's age.
	Once you're a certain age, and once you've been canceled 65 times, like go for it.
	Leave it in there.
	I don't care.
	So, Sage, for some people that don't know what happened with the Exit Booty SPN.
	We've heard so many different stories.
	Obviously, we watch it.
	We know it.
	But what happened with the Exit Woody SPN?
	A lot.
	So how do I summarize it quickly?
	Listen, it had been years of kind of buildup, I think, where everyone was saying, yeah, go ahead, do you.
	Everybody be yourself and say what you want.
	And, you know, all of the things political that used to be kind of untouchable don't go there, especially in a sports network, which is what I prefer.
	Like, I'm a sportscaster.
	You know, my politics, my opinions actually don't matter as a journalist.
	And then all of a sudden, pandemic happened and George Floyd happened.
	And then the genie was out of the bottle and you couldn't put it back in where everybody was saying whatever they wanted.
	I was asked on a podcast on a day off, you know, Jay Cutler's podcast.
	It's not like I was on ESPN platforms and asked about a couple of things that meant something to me in my life, which happened to be my racial makeup.
	My mom's white, Irish Italian.
	Like, get out of the way when Mona Steele walks in the room.
	Irish Italian, like big time.
	And then my dad's black.
	And so I, years ago, you guys like to talk about the view.
	Years ago on The View.
	Rich, very emotional.
	Yeah.
	Good morning.
	Yes.
	Go ahead.
	You were saying that.
	They like to base things on facts.
	So classy.
	Yeah, right.
	Big Johnson fans.
	Big.
	Big time.
	So long story short, Barbara Walters asked me 10 Years ago, it is now about why I didn't choose to identify as black, like the current president at that time.
	And I was like, well, I'm more than that, or I'm half black, half white, and I'm so proud of my entire family.
	I think that that defines diversity in America, right?
	I mean, most of us are mixed with something now, but why would I exclude my mom?
	And my joke that I, that wasn't meant to be funny, but like, it's kind of, I'm pretty sure my white mom was there the day I was born.
	Like, I'm pretty sure she was there.
	I've done that childbirth thing, and I know I was there.
	I still feel it 20 years later.
	So I got, you know, in trouble canceled for saying, no, I'm biracial.
	And then she said, well, we'll look at the president.
	I was like, well, good for him.
	He was raised by a white mother and white grandmother and his black father was nowhere to be found.
	So the fact that he's not identifying with any part of that white side to me, I don't love, but he has a right to do whatever.
	These days, my daughter's high school, you can say you're a cat today, and that's acceptable.
	So do what you want.
	I am choosing to identify with all of me and not pick a side.
	And then that turned into Sage Steel thinks Barack Obama is a sellout and shouldn't identify as black.
	And so people could take that how they wanted.
	But then that, in combination with my comments on the vaccine at that point, September, October 2021, ESPN Disney, it was mandated that we took on.
	I felt like they were kind of piling on with that comment because you look back at people that are multiracial.
	Tiger Woods refused to be put in a box.
	He invented a word, Calabasian.
	Remember that word he created?
	Think of me of Calabasian.
	My mom's Thai, my dad says, he said, don't put me in a box.
	And his mom even called him, I think, called him the universal child.
	And so why is it that suddenly you don't take a stand?
	But there have been all these precedents.
	But it's because I think we live in a device world and they want you to take one stand or another.
	Sometimes for their position, that you're not.
	No, if I had said, no offense, mom, I am black, I'd be fine.
	If I had said, all you anti-vaxxers out there go to hell, I would have been fine.
	But because I said, I don't believe I should be forced to put something into my body that has not had nearly enough research, it doesn't take much more than a Google search to know that the FDA takes an average of six to nine years to approve a vaccine.
	This became political too quickly.
	I didn't like what I was seeing.
	I just wanted to wait.
	But in order to keep my job at ESPN Disney, I had to get it.
	And I was devastated over that.
	So when I said a global company like Disney, I think it's sick and scary to mandate it.
	That plus the race comments about how I choose to identify, that was the beginning of the end.
	You know, it's funny, Tom, when you say Tiger Woods says he's Cabilon Asian.
	So he's, in other words, he's Armenian.
	Because the IANFEA, I didn't know Tiger Woods Arden.
	He said I was impressed.
	He said Armenian.
	That's a great combination.
	But going back to this, so you took the vaccine and then you're sitting there talking about the fact that I had literally just come from getting the shot like 30 minutes prior.
	I was hot.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, you got to be kidding me.
	So he got you 30 minutes after you got it.
	It just was a coincidence.
	I had planned on going on a show and I knew his publicist and Jay had just started the show.
	And so he was, you know, would you come on?
	He needs a woman.
	I'm like, sure, I covered him.
	You know, why not?
	And that was the last possible day to get the shot in order to be, quote, fully vexed by September 30th, 2021.
	So I waited till the last second.
	I was this close to not doing it and potentially getting fired because I felt so strongly about just not feeling comfortable with what it was.
	And so I had gone to the stupid grocery store pharmacy to get this shot in order to keep my job.
	And I was very emotional because I felt like a sellout.
	I felt like I was letting myself down and my kids down when I tell them to stand up for what they believe in.
	But I am a single mom and I have three college-age kids.
	Next year, I got all three in college at once.
	What?
	I need my job.
	I love my job.
	And I loved it till the last day, you guys.
	So I had no choice in that way if I needed to support the three kids.
	And again, I've been 100% the wage earner my entire marriage and since.
	So you don't just walk away.
	And that's why I understand people's fears for standing up.
	But at that moment, I had just come from there.
	And then, yes, I had the band-aid on my shoulder, not even knowing, not even remembering.
	And I was running hot.
	And I actually held back a lot for what I really wanted to say.
	But no matter what, I'll stand by it today.
	And it obviously was quite costly.
	But to force someone.
	You know, my body, my choice is only when it's convenient, apparently.
	And that's where I was like, I'm done.
	If they had then stopped there, like, okay, suspend me, take me off the air for 10, 15 days, whatever it was, publicly apologize, issue a statement, then I didn't know they were going to crush me with another statement, and then take assignments away from me.
	That's when I thought, wait a minute, it's one thing to be punished.
	It's another thing to continue.
	Most importantly, while my peers are doing what?
	Going on ESPN platforms, talking about how devastated they were that Roe versus Wade got overturned on an NBA show, having a moment of silence on women's college hoops during the NCA tournament to mourn what was happening in Florida, the don't say gay bill where those words aren't even in the bill.
	So if we're allowing that and encouraging that by producers and management to have them talk about those issues on sports programming live, but I can't talk about my own opinions on a podcast that has nothing to do with ESPN.
	That's where I say, which one is it?
	It isn't just some who get to speak.
	It's diversity of thought, and you can't pick and choose based on the narrative of your company.
	And so that was what the lawsuit was about.
	By the way, freedom of speech, not under Constitution for government.
	The state of Connecticut has a particular statute that protects employees.
	You are allowed to speak up and criticize your employer even if you are complying with the rules.
	I got the damn shot.
	I was complying and I can still have an opinion.
	So that's where the lawsuit came from.
	And that's why we ended up, you know.
	What I was going to ask you on this exact topic right here, because you brought up, obviously, the vaccine situation.
	Prior to that, you brought up 2020, the bubble in ESPN, obviously owned by Disney.
	Ron DeSantis, where Woke goes to die.
	Welcome to Florida.
	Diversity of thought.
	We see the DEI agenda.
	You can be DEI anything, but a diversity of thought that's against the narrative or against the message is a fireball offense, apparently.
	So during the bubble, you were covering that.
	The NBA bubble in our lives.
	NBA bubble, exactly.
	Social justice movement.
	Everyone's wearing the thing.
	Everyone has their message.
	Black Lives Matter, George Floyd, you're at the middle of this as a apparently black reporter, half white, half black.
	How much of that weighed into all this?
	Because there was one player that I recall, Jonathan Isaac, who said, look, I'm just, you know, I love God.
	I'm not going to play into this narrative.
	I just want to play ball.
	So you were, I assume, covering NBA at this point, the bubble, NBA bubble, sports center, I remember that.
	How much of that is just, you hit it on the head, which is diversity of opinion, not diversity for the sake of diversity.
	How much factored into that?
	All of it, I think.
	And you listen with what happened with Jonathan Isaac, and I've gotten to know him quite well since.
	And what a lovely young man who's displayed such courage that day.
	And you remember how he got crushed for being a black man who said, I want to stand.
	My country means something to me, et cetera.
	And then what happened the next day?
	He went up for a rebound, came down, blew out his knee.
	And the Twitter verse went nuts celebrating his injury.
	And he's, what, 22 years old?
	You should have kneeled, bro.
	That whole thing.
	Just because they disagreed with his stance.
	So it only goes one way.
	All of it played into it.
	I will say I even posted the black square right after that.
	I didn't believe in it, but I posted it because I felt that pressure, right?
	I think so many, I know many, many people who did the same thing.
	And to me, it's like, no, I don't care if you're green or blue or if you're a guy or a girl today, tomorrow, cat, I don't care.
	But if we're going to preach about diversity, it can't just go one way.
	And it has to begin with diversity of thought.
	And I'm just, it took years, but now I'm done, obviously.
	Did you speak with Bob Iger during that time or no?
	No, I haven't spoken with him in years.
	Have you ever had an interaction with him?
	Yeah.
	How is he?
	He was always great.
	He was always great.
	Years ago, and I think he's brilliant in so many ways, obviously quite successful, and he's done a pretty good job, I think, the last several years.
	Have not been great.
	And there have been specific decisions that, I mean, he's the CEO that he has made that all of the employees must comply with, even if you don't agree.
	And I know many managers who didn't agree with a lot of the things that we were told to do.
	But when you choose, listen, you're the ultimate businessman.
	And when you pick a side in business, like to me, Michael Jordan said it.
	Republicans buy sneakers too.
	Don't you want everyone watching your programming?
	Why are we dividing?
	Why are we choosing to only report certain things?
	And that's where, I mean, I struggled for years.
	And then it builds bills to a certain point.
	And then you can't be quiet, especially when you, you know, like as a parent, this was bigger than just me.
	I have these three kids who are older.
	They're not like six, eight years old.
	That's different when they're babies.
	You can shield them, but they're watching me preach to them to stand up.
	And then I go silent.
	So I don't know what everyone's line is.
	It's a very personal decision, especially when finances are involved and jobs and cancellation, right?
	I am the poster child for why people should stay quiet.
	Would Bob Iger?
	Not anymore.
	I'm sorry, Iger.
	Would Bob Iger is, is it when you saw him making some decisions for Disney that made no sense?
	So he has a right of a lifetime.
	Incredible.
	Crushes it.
	Read the book.
	Great story.
	One point he wanted to run for president.
	He's doing the deal with Murdoch and they're asking him the question, are you going to run for president?
	No.
	But he says he was thinking about it.
	He was going to run for office.
	His family has, you know, politically, they've been on the left, and he always wanted to kind of possibly one day run.
	Anyways, do you think some of the decisions that was made at Disney, was it more him or was it more SHAPIC or was it more the board?
	Who was it?
	Or was it maybe even Kathy?
	You mean during that time?
	During the woke, like Disney went from being Disney.
	We all watch Disney.
	They go to evaluation-wise.
	I think at one point Peak is $360 billion or at $180 right now, give or take.
	What have been $180?
	They dropped from, we can see exactly, so I want to give the number correctly what their market, what's their market cap today?
	$215 today.
	Can you go to the history of their market cap?
	They went from $380, $360 to $215.
	But from the person, or you may even say, I don't even know, I'm not on the inside.
	But when you guys talked to one another when Bob left, was it SHAPIC or was Bob still running it?
	Was it the board?
	What do you think it was?
	Well, to me, the timing is fascinating because Bob Iger, if you recall, suddenly stepped away.
	It was like February of 2020.
	When did the pandemic hit?
	March.
	2020.
	He's a smart man.
	I think there's a lot of obvious ties with Disney and China.
	Literally, this is just my random opinion.
	I just don't think it was a coincidence that the timing for him to suddenly retire and then the pandemic hits.
	And then he appoints Bob Chapik, who'd been one of his right-hand men for years and years.
	I mean, 20 plus, 30 years maybe, to run everything.
	Bob Iger never went away.
	I mean, he was still even tweeting a lot of things about Disney, et cetera.
	I believe he was on the board.
	So if you're on a board, there's a lot of decisions that are being made, right?
	I mean, it isn't just the CEO.
	He has to get the board approval.
	And if he's on that board, for example, what was happening in Florida and the decision, I believe, again, this is my recollection, that Chapek initially was against going against the state of Florida and this don't say gay thing and Ron DeSantis.
	I know that he was more about not mixing politics with business, just as the ESPN newer president, Jimmy Petaro, was as well.
	And then everything went nuts and they had no choice, seemingly.
	Maybe that was, again, above the ESPN president that came from Disney.
	But when the former CEO, the longtime CEO, brilliant CEO, who's had a ton of success, is still on the board while all this is going on.
	And all of a sudden, they go from, we're not going to touch Florida to now we're going to crush Florida.
	And then, I mean, you're in the middle of a pandemic.
	Chapek, like, how would you like to take over that kind of a company during that time?
	No one wants to, right?
	Then we get out of the pandemic, things start to turn up, and all of a sudden Chapex out and Bob's back in.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, listen, there's a part of me that's like, it's almost scary to talk about, to be honest with you.
	But just from not even an insider's, an outsider's perspective, when you look at the timeline, I think that there's some questions to be asked.
	Chapek's gone.
	I don't know that that was a great departure from what I read, you know?
	And Bob's back in to the rescue.
	Is it being rescued right now?
	I don't know.
	There have been some decisions along the way, especially just with programming.
	When my kids were little, the Disney Channel was like the place to go where it was innocence.
	Safe.
	Yes, safe.
	And just so many beautiful memories from when we were kids.
	And now I have so many people who come up to me and say, what the hell has happened?
	And why it wasn't necessary.
	Just like Michael Jordan said, just like with anything.
	I want everybody to buy my product, not just one side.
	It's wild when that took place.
	And Rob, I want to do something if you can pull up.
	Sage Steel is officially also on Manect.
	So if you wanted to ask her any questions, one thing about Manect.
	I kind of love it.
	Yeah.
	One thing about Manect is if you message on Manect, you will get a respond back on Manect versus the other platforms.
	Sage gets probably thousands of messages, so she cannot get back to everything, but there's a lot of things going on.
	So if you support Sage or if you have any questions for her, use that QR code.
	Go on, Manek.
	Ask her questions.
	She'll respond back to you.
	Thank you for that, by the way, because it's such a cool concept and platform.
	And I hate not being able to respond to people.
	You know, I think it's brilliant.
	Yeah, great.
	We're great.
	We're glad to have you.
	And I think I can't wait to see the response from the audience, ask you the questions, and even getting a chance to maybe have some thoughts that they're, because sometimes you watch a podcast, you're like, I would have asked that.
	I would have asked this.
	Well, if we didn't ask a question, this is your transport.
	Did you know who Dana White was?
	I'm going to have to talk about that.
	Oh, that's the first one that already happened.
	Tell me the truth.
	I'm paying for it.
	Let me know.
	I'm going to have to cut and paste 100,000 times.
	Use the voice.
	There's a voice.
	You respond in voice text.
	That's the way it is.
	That's the way to do it.
	So going back to Disney, with where it's at today, you know, when you're with an organization for 16 years and you leave, you have affinity.
	You're not there for a year, you know, three years.
	It's not like a, yeah, resume, boom, next.
	Yeah, resume, boom, next.
	It's like, that's longevity.
	16 years when you're at an organization.
	Yeah, that's that's something, you know, you're there.
	This is, you are ESPN.
	You're part of ESPN.
	How much of working at ESPN behind closed doors did you guys speak?
	Because some of the people, I'm like, I used to watch Broussard a lot.
	He's not there anymore.
	I used to watch this guy a lot.
	He said, what happened to those guys?
	Is there something that happens that if you're politically different than what they believe in?
	Is there opportunity simply because of what you favor and what you don't?
	And those groups who are maybe on the conservative side, do some of the people say, well, look, Sage, you and I, we're not on the same page, but I got to pay the bills.
	My kids are going to this and I got to make this money and da-da-da-da.
	There's no way in the world I can say anything right now, but I'm with you.
	But please don't tell anybody that I told you that.
	Does that happen at ESPN as well, the same way it happens in the future?
	There's a lot of whispering.
	There is.
	A lot of whispering and like texts.
	And you can't say it out loud.
	Now, listen, if you're on the other side, you can't sit in the makeup room without hearing it from all, from the other talent, for sure, who are empowered to go off on it and to rip on Republicans or conservatives.
	And most of the people who I know felt differently and maybe more in the middle center right just would stay quiet.
	And then it got to the point where like around me, people wouldn't say anything.
	You know, are there people who are in favor because of their politics and their leanings?
	I think absolutely.
	If I had stayed quiet, I'd still be rolling.
	My contract still wouldn't have been up by now.
	But again, you have to ask yourself at what cost.
	I did have a couple of people, certainly, I already knew who they were, right?
	And they would text me, I love you.
	I wish I could right now.
	I wish I could.
	And I get it.
	I get it.
	But I'm also kind of blown away because they're all men.
	I'm like, hey, boys, where are you?
	How am I the only one out here?
	And by the way, you got NFL money.
	Like all those guys have a lot more money than I will ever have from having played for years and years and NBA guys too.
	So that's where I find it interesting.
	And maybe like most importantly right now for one of the today's hot topic is like the transgender sports issue.
	And these men that I work with have daughters who are very competitive and good athletes.
	And I know damn well that if they had to, their daughters had to oppose a man, a boy on the other side of the volleyball net or the basketball court, that's not happening.
	Like they go down there and make a scene.
	So to be quiet about it, it's not even about, you know, race, which is sensitive or COVID or the vaccine.
	This is black and white with science.
	I mean, since at the end of time, we know the difference between men and women and the different strengths that men have.
	And all these men are staying silent.
	So I am disappointed, but I also, I get it.
	There is a legitimate reason to fear speaking up.
	It's very personal, but I just, I will say it's, it is pretty lonely.
	Now, this isn't a what was me because I don't care anymore.
	It just took years to get there and years of feeling like I couldn't be myself.
	And if only I thought like this, I would be celebrated.
	Like I was the highest paid woman at that network.
	Like I would have, I would have kept going forever, hopefully.
	I'll shut up after this.
	When I started there, you guys, my kids were 11 months, two and four.
	My youngest daughter turns 18 on Saturday, 18, 20, and 22.
	So that's all they've known.
	That's all I've known.
	And that was my dream since I was a kid.
	So I didn't get off on like, oh, let me go blow somebody up and blow up a company.
	It was devastating, yet it was the right thing for me based on all the years where I was forced to adapt to what someone else wanted.
	Well, those men, Tom.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	You know, some people have enough of a platform to say something.
	And right on the vaccine, Pat McAfee was unafraid to have Aaron Rodgers on his podcast, which came over to ESPN knowing that Pat is unafraid to speak from his platform.
	And yet they even came down to stifle him, but Pat wasn't having it.
	He was very critical.
	He kind of went along with the one day or two day suspension, whatever it was, and Aaron Rodgers.
	But then he named names.
	Then he said, Norby is the guy.
	Norby is the guy working from corporate.
	And said, there is a guy from corporate down here, and it's Norby, and he is trying to manipulate.
	You want to play the clip?
	That's a very good transition.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	We're very appreciative.
	And we understand that more people are watching this show than ever before.
	We're very thankful for the ESPN folks being very hospitable.
	Now, there are some people actively trying to sabotage us from within ESPN.
	More specifically, I believe Norby Williamson is the guy who is attempting to sabotage our program.
	AJ isn't a problem.
	Seemingly the only human that has information, and then somehow that information gets leaked, and it's wrong, and then it sets a narrative of what our show is.
	And then are we just going to combat that from a rat every single time?
	I don't know.
	But like somebody tried to get ahead of our actual ratings release with wrong numbers 12 hours beforehand.
	That's a sabotage attempt.
	And it's been happening basically this entire season from some people who didn't necessarily love the old edition of the Pat McAfee show to the ESPN family.
	Sure.
	You can pause a lot of that.
	Do you agree with them?
	Yeah.
	Did you have similar experience with Norby?
	I've known Norby from day one and he just left last week after 40 years in the company.
	I believe that was kind of the final nail in the coffin for Norby when Pat McAfee went on and said that.
	Now, there's a couple of things.
	Number one, I texted with Pat that day.
	I was like, you go.
	And because he was speaking for a lot of people, made me sad because I knew Norby as a person and I knew that his heart was very different from some of the decisions that he made.
	But I'll also say this, as much as I absolutely agree with a lot of the things Pat said as far as just behind the scenes, I don't know that Norby was the one, you know, influencing numbers or being untruthful about it.
	I don't know.
	What I do know is that even though all of us agree with Pat, I thought it was fascinating that when have you ever seen an employee in our industry go on the air and name names and not just name names, but call that executive who's been there for 40 years a rat.
	And then he doubled down a couple days later and then he posted a picture with Norby's new boss, Burke Magnus, and Burke allowed that picture to be posted.
	I mean, so when you see them not punishing him for it, because even if you agree with what the guy said, you guys, it's still kind of unacceptable for someone to publicly call out a boss at the company by name and call him a name.
	They let it slide, no punishment, still went to the national championship game a couple days later.
	What does that tell you?
	If nothing's done to that person, by the way, I did a fraction of that and I was out, right?
	So I think the principle of it was wrong.
	Like you got, if you say that, you got to be held accountable, but they did nothing to him.
	And at that point, I was like, Norby's.
	Why do you think that is?
	Why do you think that is that they did nothing to him?
	Well, I think there's other people that realized it was probably time for Norby to go.
	We thought for years it might be happening.
	But also, when you're Pat McAfee, you have control.
	What is it?
	18 million bucks a year.
	So the only people at ESPN that make that money are Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Steve Vinay's, a few million behind them.
	So when Pat comes in and knows he's got that power, that's that F you money in many ways.
	You know what I mean?
	You got that power.
	You're going to say, what are they going to do?
	Take him off when he's got this huge contract.
	So he used his power in a way that we have never seen before in this industry.
	And look what just happened.
	And by the way, Burke Magnus.
	Yeah.
	He's been with ESPN 25 years.
	How was he?
	I like Burke.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	I mean, listen, they're all taking orders from others.
	Wow, all the way at the top.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I like Burke.
	I like his family a lot, and I hope he does great.
	And again, there's so many really good people behind the scenes.
	There's a lot of things I don't agree with.
	I'm sure Burke was supportive of sidelining me, suspending me.
	I don't know.
	And you know what?
	I don't care.
	Like, they made their decision.
	I was friends with a lot of these people for a very long time.
	I haven't heard from a soul.
	And that's even after almost 17 years.
	And it's okay.
	They all have families to support as well and to protect.
	I just think at some point, like on principle, so many people are weak.
	Weak.
	Yep.
	And it's not just Disney ESPN.
	I mean, it's everywhere.
	Yeah.
	And the fact, oh, but what I wanted to ask, and Vinny, I want to come to you.
	But here's what I want to.
	Tom, this is a question for you as well.
	And Sage, both of you, because Tom is the living Wikipedia.
	Okay, literally.
	He's amazing.
	No, no, he is.
	So here's a question.
	Disney bought ESPN in 96, right?
	I'm just looking at it right now through the purchase of Capital Cities ABC in 96.
	So that's 28 years ago, right?
	Obviously, you weren't there then because you were there when you know 17 years ago because you were there for 16 years and it's been on yeah so so if you think about it how much do you think like was the older ESPN better than the newer ESPN?
	And I wonder who is there to ask the question of that's been there for damn years.
	I'm sure you probably talked to the guys on the inside.
	How different was the old ESPN until they were bought by Disney?
	Yeah, with that, I don't know.
	Some of the true legends like Bob Lee, who I think lives down here in South Everybody, once you leave ESPN, you get the hell out of Connecticut.
	You come to Fortnite from it.
	Exactly.
	On the way.
	I'll be here full-time in like five months, you guys.
	I'll be your neighbor.
	I love it.
	About time, right?
	But yeah, I don't know.
	It was a different era.
	And remember, there were some books written as well about the quote-unquote good old days, not really at ESPN, and just what was happening behind the scenes, some inappropriate things.
	There's been a lot on that.
	And so I think it's better in many ways as far as, you know, listen, HR departments are legit now at ESPN.
	I don't think that they were back in the day, like with many corporations.
	But it's very different from when I started even in 2007.
	Looking at it from the outside, there were three chapters of ESPN.
	There is this wonderfully disruptive, rebellious little channel that came up with Chris Berman giving nicknames to baseball players and it grew.
	And then people said, oh, this is a beautiful, unpolished diamond.
	I'm going to buy it.
	So it gets bought.
	And then it goes into this heyday of growth being an absolute money machine for Disney ABC.
	And then it kind of peaks and it gets caught in the transition from cable and satellite and streaming.
	And ESPN has been losing subscribers and losing the ability to extort, I mean, negotiate with cable operators for the carry fees.
	So what that means is suddenly ESPN now has to start managing and operating as a mature business, including costs.
	And then a whole bunch of ex-athletes that they say, well, they weren't exactly pulling on every show.
	So we're going to have to.
	And it didn't matter if they were athletes, just ESPN had a cost issue because of the subscriber losses.
	And ESPN the magazine came and went.
	It peaked out.
	Then it became a cost problem.
	And so it was shut down.
	And ESPN Magazine was a great magazine.
	It had long-form articles like Vanity Fair and stuff.
	ESPN the body.
	You would see the bodies of athletes and what they, the bodies of athletes and what they went through to maintain themselves.
	It was just incredible, but they lost it because they couldn't make any money on it.
	And now you end up now where ESPN is trying to find its way forward.
	And at the Allen conference two years ago, Disney's trying to sell them, though.
	Iger was trying to sell ESPN.
	And to the point that ESPN right now, I believe, has bitten the hand that fed it.
	They've gone behind the leagues to make a like a unified sports channel in concert with, I believe it's Fox and NBC.
	They're coming together to do that.
	And the leagues don't like this because that means that they're not all competing with each other.
	Because you used to bring NBC and ABC in and say, who is going to pay you a billion point X for the Olympics and get them against each other?
	If they're all together, that can't happen.
	So right now, ESPN is trying to find a financial future in the middle of streaming wars, and it's having an impact.
	Meanwhile, all of the woke stuff comes down in the middle of this and creates all these situations.
	And this is just my analysis from the outside, looking at the financial arc.
	What would you add?
	That's a lot.
	You are definitely historians.
	I tried to compress it.
	Well, but the streaming thing, I mean, I was listening to a lot of those conversations for years and down at some of the meetings with potential sponsors and advertisers in Orlando, probably 2017, 2018, and speaking and emceeing there.
	And that was definitely a concern.
	And you had some people who were like, were over at the time, the president and CEO was John Skipper.
	And then his time there ended unceremoniously.
	And he was talking all about, you know, oh, this is not as big of a deal.
	And, you know, calm down.
	We aren't losing that many numbers.
	And other people in the room were like, really?
	Like, this ain't going away.
	It's like when Bill Gates said, the internet's not going to be a big thing.
	Yeah.
	Oops.
	Exactly.
	So listen, they've been aware and trying to battle and fight and do the right thing.
	I think one of the, well, the reason we all know the reason that ESPN is still relevant and I think will be is because of programming.
	When you have live programming like that and you are, you know, paying whatever it is, you can look it up real quick for the college football playoff and the national championship and also like the NBA finals on ABC and ESPN.
	I mean, when you are crowning those on your air and just all the college football programming every single Saturday.
	Well, now it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, right?
	People will go to watch you even if they don't like you because you have that programming.
	They finally got a Super Bowl coming up.
	When is it?
	27, 28, something like that.
	So programming.
	ESPN ABC.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's one of the reasons why Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are here as well.
	I don't know which happened first, chicken or the egg there.
	But yeah, so you must pay billions of dollars for those broadcast rights in order to remain relevant.
	And they've been able to do that more so than, you know, Fox and NBC for, especially with the college football playoff.
	There is a rubber.
	You got to hang on to that.
	In the middle of all that, there is a rumor at PBD when NFL Sunday Ticket was going away from AT ⁇ T because AT ⁇ T owned DirecTV.
	And after 25 years, Sunday Ticket was the reason that people would get DirecTV outside of Omaha where you didn't have good cable and you can get every single game.
	And that got diluted.
	And there was a rumor that ESPN was the lead bidder until YouTube swooped in and paid mega bucks and took it.
	So there are these two new competitors, Amazon and YouTube, that were also stepping into the gap.
	Yeah.
	While we're on the topic of ESPN, thoughts on working with Jason Whitlock?
	Because I know there was a feud between Jason and Stephen A and you work with both of them.
	I didn't get to work real hands-on with Jason.
	I think he did.
	He was never on Sports Center, et cetera.
	I worked with Stephen A a hundred times, especially during the NBA finals on the road.
	I always loved it because you could throw anything at him.
	He was certainly entertaining and challenging, too.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But we had a good relationship because, you know, I wasn't afraid to go back at him, you know, like just because as a basketball fan to have those conversations.
	And by the way, I love Jason Whitlock.
	I respect the hell out of him because he says and does things that nobody else will, especially in the black community.
	And he's hated for it.
	But to me, like you, you got to at least listen, even if you disagree.
	With what Jason, obviously these were the comments that Stephen A made about Jason.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	And please do not allow this to be a reflection on my character because this is not how I act every day.
	But I mean it from my soul when I say this is the worst human being I've ever known.
	Jeez.
	I don't know of another human being worse than Jason Willock.
	He is a piece of shit.
	He's the dude that's going to have a funeral and ain't going to be no pole bearers.
	Jeez.
	You can possibly.
	It might be two people to show up.
	Now, I've listened to Stephen A. for shoot.
	You've had him on, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	We talk regularly.
	Yeah.
	But the point is, he's been on a couple times, but I've never seen him this angry about anybody.
	And he's had things that happen.
	When you first saw this happen, obviously this was a couple months ago.
	This is not a recent story that happened last week.
	What was your initial reaction when you saw that?
	That was sad.
	Really?
	Tell me why.
	I think Stephen A is better than that.
	Why?
	Why do that?
	Funny thing is, Jason was kind of doing his job.
	He was reviewing a book that Stephen A. wrote, and there were some things in there that Stephen A. wrote that he's like, really?
	Well, this doesn't add up.
	Like, what is this?
	Wait, if you say you averaged one and a half points, but you only played in one game and like, like, whatever, he reviewed the book and had some questions about it.
	So I think, number one, it's sad because it's just never, to me, necessary to go to that level.
	Like, I mean, really, like, when you die, there's not going to be any Paul Barras at your funeral, the worst human ever.
	It's okay.
	Stephen A has a platform.
	He says and does whatever he wants.
	And I respect him for it, even if I disagree with his ways sometimes.
	But number two, I'm trying to be careful, but why?
	No one's going to fire me, right?
	Finally, like, is it a personal thing with Jason?
	Obviously, because if that's me and someone reviewed something that I wrote in a book or even said and they were wrong about it, about their take, I would address the issue.
	I would say, wait, Jason, let me tell you why you're wrong and questioning me.
	Here's the facts.
	And like go back at him for what Jason was bringing up.
	Instead, there was no mention of what Jason was pointing out in the book, the inconsistencies.
	It just went personal.
	Like if I accuse somebody of doing something and you didn't do it, what's the person you're going to say to me?
	I have proof of it.
	Yeah.
	Proof.
	So instead, right.
	So instead of saying, let me show you the proof, because he had a right to review the book, he instead just went personal and ignored Jason's whole point in the first place.
	So to me, that's interesting, if nothing else.
	But overall, I love Stephen A.
	I love what he, I love where he comes from.
	Something he doesn't talk about as much.
	I mean, he does with his sisters and his mother and who he is in his core.
	Like, that's not, that's not the Stephen A that I love.
	But can I ask you a personal question?
	Yeah, I like, I like when.
	Is it about this?
	Yes, specifically about this.
	So Stephen A. Let me frame this.
	Huge sports fan, or at least I was.
	I played college football, grew up on sports, love watching sports, ESPN Sports Center.
	I probably watched you, Stephen A. Smith, a billion times.
	I can't tell you the last time I watched Sports Center.
	Not for reasons other than I just think there's more important things in life at this point.
	We're starting to see Stephen A. delve into the political world.
	And he's choosing his words wisely, so to speak, especially when on ESPN platform.
	But when he's on his own podcast, he's kind of talking that talk.
	How much have you realized since leaving the sports world that there's just more important things for you to focus on?
	Finances, politics, family, culture issues.
	Like, how much sports do you even watch?
	The first question has to do with Stephen A.
	Yeah, like he's focusing on other things other than just sports.
	This clearly is personal to me.
	But from a macro perspective, I want to stay on this.
	We'll go to that.
	That's not about this question.
	I do love that question.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We'll come back to that.
	But let me stay on this question here.
	So with Stephen A. and Whitlock.
	So with Stephen A., I don't see a lot of other sports guys that dislike him in the space.
	Now, you know, when he tells a story, I like how he says, I call my pastor, I call this, I call my sisters.
	I even call Bob to say, hey, I'm not going to, you know, it's going to be a little bit bad.
	And he at least took the steps to go through that for him to make the comments he made about Jason.
	But it's not on an ESPN platform.
	So it doesn't matter.
	But still, he knows he's representing the brand.
	He's giving it respect.
	But there's definitely a separation.
	Right.
	And he knows he can say whatever he wants.
	You're not using that language on an ESPN platform.
	You know what I mean?
	So I think he, and he's, that's in his contract to be able to do it separately, right?
	To say YouTube's over here, my podcast, my platform's here.
	But I agree, you still are representative of the brand representing the brand.
	Yeah, and I think he's, you know, he knows he's about to get a, you know, big payday coming his way.
	I think he's deserving of it.
	I think he's deserving of, you know, if he's going to get the 20 plus, I think he's deserving of it.
	If they paid him, by the way, that could set the tone as well for the marketplace for how hard this guy's worked and how available he's been for so many years, right?
	Yes.
	And he's been the face of ESPN.
	I want to know what he has to say, right?
	And then on the other side with Jason, I was.
	By the way, real quick, if Pat McAfee's making 18, this guy, and you can hear it in his voice and you can see it on his tweets, he's keeping score of everything.
	He's like, oh, you think this guy's working?
	He even made it about race recently, which bothered me because he said that, well, I have to work a lot harder as a black man compared to Pat McAfee, a white man with 18 million.
	So I think that he's keeping score.
	And so to your point, about 20, 20 mil, easily.
	Oh, I think he's for sure.
	Paid that money and well-deserving.
	Now, in regards to black men and all that stuff, I'm not, when they go that route, I'm not a fan of that.
	But I also can see how Jason probably plays the game of trying to be a troll and trying to get under his skin.
	And in this situation, to be honest with you, Jason won.
	In what way?
	Because nobody follows Jason anymore.
	Jason's no longer at the level that he used to be where he was getting the eyeballs before.
	But he's the number one guy, Stephen A.
	So Stephen A actually brought eyeballs to him than the other way around.
	So this is when a guy attacks up and you get the up to attack you down.
	The guy at the bottom attacking up actually wins.
	Good point.
	Because you just made him relevant that other people are reacting to.
	So this is a W for Jason in the context of choosing your enemy's wives.
	Yeah, you know how Jake Paul gets the guys above him to get irritated or Connor or some of this stuff?
	In this context, he wins.
	But when it comes down to finances, winning financially free, the face, history, legacy, all this stuff, Stephen A dominated Jason in that context.
	I do wish that people would listen more to Jason.
	People are like, oh, of course they're going to say that.
	You're a white, right-wing guy.
	No, he's super smart.
	And if you listen to the points he makes, and yes, quite often they're race-related and about the black community or certain athletes or not.
	He makes points that make you think.
	So I think that, and I know this, one of the reasons why you say, you know, he doesn't have the following that he did in the past.
	Well, certainly, but which way does social media lean?
	Oh, big time left.
	Oh, huge.
	So they're going to make sure.
	I don't know about that.
	Oh, 100%.
	I don't know about that.
	I feel that stuff.
	And let me tell you why I don't know about that.
	I've listened to Jason for many years, and I'm talking back in the days.
	I think Jason's very smart, very.
	And I think Jason says a lot of things that, you know, is very needed, necessary.
	But I do think, Sage, like, for example, I don't know who you are, meaning from I know who you are.
	I've known you for years.
	You've only known me for a minute because we sat next to each other at UFC.
	I knew who you were before I sat next to you.
	I totally get it.
	But what I mean by that is like, I've known you a lot longer than you've known me, right?
	So I've followed your career a lot longer than you've known me.
	And then I sit next to you.
	I'm like, okay, let me see how she is.
	You know how much I enjoyed our conversation that night?
	We had such great time together.
	You and the guy, you know, are, you know, Italian mobster lawyer buddy, you know, commercial.
	He's here.
	Frankly, he loves the guy.
	He's my cousin.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's the guy who just wanted to get it.
	He fully does, by the way.
	He fully does.
	But I'm sitting there and I walk, you know what I walk away and I said, I like her.
	Oh my God, she's so cool.
	Because sometimes you win people over more off camera and you lose people off camera more than on camera.
	You can act here, but then how are you off camera?
	I liked you off camera.
	Thank you.
	And I walked around and I say, remember this?
	I'm like, what a freaking cool cat.
	We could talk to her for hours.
	She was so cool, right?
	To me, the only feedback I would give to, I've had a lot of guys that have worked with our company, business, insurance, different things.
	And I have guys that are right.
	Your argument is right.
	But there's a book written 80, 90 years ago by this guy named Bill Carnegie who says, how to win friends and influence people.
	You can persuade more if you can be a little bit likable.
	You have to be liked.
	You know, when it comes down to selling your ideas, you got to be likable, you got to be trusting, and you got to give facts.
	Jason brings the facts.
	Sometimes, you know, maybe he needs to read how to win.
	And by the way, I'm sure he's going to react to this and give whatever he's going to say.
	Deep down inside, Jason, while you do your reaction video and you try to trash my argument and Stephen and say we're boys and all this other stuff, privately without telling anybody, go read how to win friends and influence people.
	I think it would benefit you.
	But I kind of agree with Sage a little bit though, Pat, because if you are a black conservative, all the mainstream, all the social media, they're anti-your Uncle Tom.
	You're selling out to the rates.
	It's harder, I think, for the African-American community that is trying to be conservative to try to not be woke and go the other side for them to get their lives on.
	Those are two different things, though.
	Those are two different things.
	And to be honest with you, again, I'll push back.
	Let me tell you why I push back.
	How many different African-American conservative faces pre-sage are there that used to work at ESPN that have the moral authority to give their argument on how left Disney and ESPN is?
	How many African-American sports guys with moral authority are there?
	One.
	How the hell do you not get more eyeballs?
	You have a monopoly, but you're not likable.
	That is the lamest argument I hear because you go take the other side on, take anybody that, you know, you'll invite them over.
	It's like, okay, take anybody else.
	Like, well, here's an African-American gay military black, whatever.
	So here's, there is that.
	Of course.
	You know, you got Rob Smith.
	We just had him on.
	You know, here's a pop, Great.
	You know, it's very hard to be an African-American woman conservative because nobody wants to give limelight.
	Hello, Candace Owens, the most viral face on social.
	I think it's okay.
	But with Candace came what?
	Complete vitriol from the black conservation.
	And that's okay.
	It is okay.
	But my point is, like, I can only speak, I guess, from my own experience.
	And of course, being a public figure and watching it come down.
	It's a completely different ballgame out there if you are right-leaning.
	Now, has it changed as far as there being more conservative voices out there?
	Absolutely.
	But I know from my experience what has happened by the difference between when I was just silent about everything, maybe in, you know, 15, 16 timeframe up till then.
	So when I started to speak out a little bit, and then people, I would say one thing about something random and they'd assume I'm a conservative, you know, and therefore evil, conservative equals evil and the social media realm, especially back then.
	And the stuff that came with that, the threats that came with that, the sellout, the coon, all of the things that I was called in particular by people with my skin color.
	So I've lived that and the difference.
	And again, I know that if I had gone on that podcast with Jay Cutler, you know, two, three years ago and said, sorry about my white mom, you know, I love you, but I'm that one drop rule.
	Or if I had condemned the anti-vaxxers, like I was saying things that don't go along with the left.
	I was saying the opposite things.
	And I know I would have been celebrated if I had had the other opinion.
	I mean, you should see.
	And it's, again, it's not about me.
	I can only speak on this based on my experience.
	And when I compare also to my peers and how they're completely celebrated for having different opinions, the attacks, the threats, people literally threatening to rape my daughters because they're, I mean, and again, it's nothing to do with my kids, but because I have more conservative viewpoints.
	I'm just saying it's a thing.
	And I accept it.
	And I accept it.
	I do.
	It is what it is.
	And I had a choice because of the fact that it leans more left.
	And I don't know many people who would argue against that.
	Then it's safer.
	It's smarter business-wise to just stay quiet.
	If you don't agree with it for sure.
	100%.
	But if I'm saying the other thing on social media, you are out there and you're celebrating.
	We're saying the same thing.
	The only difference is, Sage, you're likable.
	You're likable.
	Okay.
	You're likable.
	But to use that as an excuse, like when you're saying, you know, with, you know, how hard it is for the left, Candace Owens is the most viral person out there.
	But she's not working for like an ESPN or one of these places.
	But that's not the point, though.
	The point is, it is a likable.
	Is Candace likable?
	Is Candace, when we spend that night with Candace off camera, walked away loving her at the highest level.
	Both of you.
	But you're different.
	We are completely different women.
	But that's the point, though.
	But you know what it was?
	With Candace, you know what I saw?
	With Candace, I saw a childlike, curious person that wants to question everything.
	That can be like, I have a kid like that, right?
	Now, obviously, he's a kid.
	She's a grown woman with three kids, 35 years old, established, successful.
	But I liked the curious, poking, what about this?
	Why this?
	That's not fair.
	How about this?
	What about this?
	Do you think about this?
	And then she's laughing and then you see this personality, that creative side.
	With you, I sat there.
	I'm like, I'm sitting in between Sade, and I'm sitting in between MC Light, you know?
	Like, you know, but I'm talking about from the, where it's like, this one's like, talking about that, and this one's like, you know, cherish the day.
	And at the same time, but we got it, the smooth operator.
	But still, I want to listen to both.
	Yeah.
	You know, I want to listen to her.
	And I respect her.
	And again, it was so different.
	She wants a fight.
	She goes and picks fights.
	And we need people.
	We do to me.
	And she can have that.
	And she's mastered that.
	I honestly, this might sound cheesy.
	I don't know.
	I'm an Army brat.
	You know, I grew up just really super shy, number one.
	Like, this whole world I've entered into all these years ago is insane.
	My parents watched me on TV for all these years and laughed.
	They're like, who are you?
	And what have you done with my child?
	And I was afraid to talk.
	And now it's like, please stop talking.
	Please stop talking.
	I am proud.
	Like I lead with kindness.
	I remember every year at ESPN, every holiday season, I exchange cookies with the janitors and the security guards and the Jewish one in particular because I like the Rugali.
	Wait, Rugala?
	Adam.
	Jewish.
	What's the cookie?
	The amazing.
	The Dashin or the Rugla.
	The Rugala.
	There you go.
	but my point is I just feel like kindness is everything And I want to make everyone around me, even if I'm at the grocery store, feel comfortable to a fault at times, to be honest with you, to be that pleaser, to be the connector.
	And sometimes it's ended up being got like, man, what a waste of time.
	That person's going to hate me anyway, right?
	Why do you say you're completely different from Candace then?
	Well, I think she enjoys the fight.
	She wants this, you know?
	That's not what I desire in my life at all.
	I like, peace.
	And listen, I'm not afraid to have a tough conversation.
	Let's go.
	Especially now.
	I don't care.
	Cancel me, whatever.
	Let's go.
	But I also was a journalist, you know, and it wasn't about me.
	It was about who I'm talking to in that conversation and learning about them and their story.
	So I don't know that Candace, she's an analyst more than a journalist.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And they're very different things.
	I just, we're different humans and that's fine.
	I'm a little softer, I think, in many ways.
	And also, I don't have the knowledge that she has with all the, and I don't want to with all the politics.
	Go for it.
	There are, there are many other things to talk about, especially, yes, sports, but I haven't sat down one time and watched any of that programming because I realized, holy crap, there's a whole new world out there.
	But I think you can do it and make good, strong points and stand up for yourself and others and do it with kindness.
	That is my way of living.
	And I think the only difference is like you, like, you know who the enemy is.
	Like, you picked yours.
	Candace picked hers and there's multiple enemies and she's going head-on to fight them.
	You know what I mean?
	And I get your, I get the, you know, the sweet and the kind.
	You have yours.
	You know who they are.
	Look what they've done to you.
	And yes, and I respect, by the way, to hell with them for putting them what they put you on.
	I'm so happy that you're strong and you've gotten through it.
	You've picked the, you know, who the enemy is.
	Your fight is a different fight.
	Very fine.
	Candace has picked multiple fronts and she is attacking head-on with all of them.
	And I'm not sure.
	And I love that she's winning.
	Yeah.
	And I guess that's where you come from.
	Yeah.
	You're a different soldier on the battlefield of the same fight.
	Exactly.
	I can listen to, you know, Sade and then listen to Tupac and then I can listen to, you know, Forreigner and then Don Henley.
	I'm totally cool.
	Everybody's got a different style of creating music.
	Go ahead, Adam.
	Well, I guess to hone in on this, where I was going with the Whitlock, Stephen A thing was from a bigger perspective.
	Whitlock, I think he just talks politics now, right?
	I don't think he does.
	He's on The Blaze, which is a conservative media outlet.
	His show is called Fearless.
	Talks about everything.
	You know, the media landscape has changed since you joined ESPN.
	That's kind of where I was going.
	It's like, I don't think sports is that pertinent in the greater nomenclature at these points and the zeitgeist these days.
	So what's your fight?
	What are you going to fight about?
	We know what Candace is fighting about.
	Stephen A. We're starting to see his political acumen sort of rear its ugly head in a good positive way.
	Whitlock, you know, probably should read a book or two on how to win friends and influence people.
	So what's your fight?
	You're in this mix now.
	Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not, see, that's the thing.
	It's not about going to pick a fight.
	No, I don't want to.
	It's like your hill you're willing to die on something.
	Well, lately it has.
	This began over a year ago when I was still at ESPN, and it's the transgender sports issue.
	And I feel strongly about it.
	No one will convince me otherwise.
	It's not important.
	And I don't care if they say, well, 0.033%.
	Like, stop.
	So what's the magic number?
	So it's okay up until this number because it isn't just that woman that was kicked off the podium.
	It's the woman, the domino effect of it.
	And if that person wasn't even allowed to, you know, try to qualify for the race because a guy was there, like it goes so much deeper.
	So to your point, like, that's the one thing that recently I have chosen, even though at ESPN, I was kind of warned, stay away from this topic.
	I'm like, wait, what?
	We're standing for women.
	What the hell are we doing?
	Why are we all of a sudden going silent when we've pushed on Title IX for all these years and put tens of millions of dollars into programming for women's college troops?
	And look what it's done, by the way.
	Ratings incredible through the roof.
	I was asked as I left ESPN and actually leading up to it about politics and if I would run in the state of Connecticut where I've lived full-time basically since 2007.
	I didn't think very long about it because I have no desire to go into that world.
	I think it's filthy and it's gross.
	And I want to be able to advocate for whatever issue I feel is important for others.
	With the sports thing, my daughters are beyond their competitive athletic days, right?
	So I got no horse in this race.
	I just think it's right and wrong.
	There's too many people who are afraid to talk about the facts with that one.
	If other issues come up, I will go there.
	I sometimes don't know what they are, obviously, until I'm there.
	I was on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago at a Senate hearing about this issue and protecting women and girls.
	So how cool to be able to have a voice with that and to be able to talk about it.
	I got at Riley Gaines on my new show recently, 23-year-old kid with such courage.
	Like she's displaying courage that grown-ass men and women refuse to.
	So I don't know as far as what's next, but I do know this.
	If there's an issue that I feel strongly about, I no longer have a fear to go there.
	And in the meantime, my passion is finding out what makes people tick, finding out their why.
	Like you're brilliant.
	We all know it.
	It's overwhelming sometimes.
	I look at what you do.
	I was talking about with Joe earlier.
	Like, look at what you do and how you do it.
	And I mean, how, along with a family and all your 65 children that you got, you guys keep having beautiful babies.
	I'd have more than 65.
	That's a lot.
	That's maybe exaggeration.
	I would do it quite good.
	But in general, like, it's so beautiful what you've done and the courage with which you've done it, right?
	And so I want to know why.
	And you know what?
	I don't even care about your resume when I have you on the Sage Deal show.
	Thank you very much.
	It's because, like, where did that come from?
	And what happens when you hit a wall?
	Because it all looks good on camera and when you're doing your thing and speaking and bringing people in and making a lot of money.
	But in those down moments and when you are fearful or when you are hurt, like what brings you back?
	Because I know that every time I've shown my vulnerability, whether it's about what happened at ESPN, whether it's about my divorce, whether it's about all these things that are super painful to talk about, I have realized, number one, it's therapeutic.
	Number two, others realize if Patrick, but David's going through that and he's still waking up every day and clocking in and supporting others, I can do it too.
	So we're helping others when we go there and share our story.
	And that's what I'm excited about, to be able to do it on my terms, meaning no questions off limits.
	And in that, going back to like how I choose to lead, if I can make someone feel comfortable enough to go there with me with some personal stuff, because I'm willing to as well.
	And it's okay if we get choked up.
	You know what I mean?
	I just had Gina Carano on my, I only have three episodes and it debuted yesterday.
	And what she, hello, suing Disney, just like I did.
	Good.
	And it's, she's such a badass and she's so strong and how she's done it.
	But like she got super emotional about her best friend who died.
	And like she, and that's one of the reasons why she's pushing and not giving up on this fight against Disney, right?
	So when you learn, it's not just about being wronged at ESPN like I was or like she was at Disney.
	Like, what is it that makes you say, I'm not stopping the fight this time?
	That's where the magic is.
	And so that's my passion is to try to get to know people beyond all of this.
	This is great, but I don't care about that as much as I care about you.
	Can I make a prediction for you?
	Now that you've entered this world, like the tipping point for you clearly was the women's transgender, I assume Leah Thomas, Riley Gaines, everything of that.
	Shout out to Dylan Mulvaney.
	She's amazing, obviously incredible, incredible athlete.
	Once you start going down this transgender thing, it's going to, it's going to.
	I thought you were going to say something else.
	I thought he was going to say passenger 57 line.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	What line?
	I'm like, you know what line I'm thinking about?
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	Passenger 57.
	You haven't played Roulette.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because I'm talking about the same thing.
	I thought he was going to go with you once you go.
	Go ahead.
	Once you go.
	Go ahead.
	I'm just saying, because this is such a good thing.
	But last week was Easter slash maybe just as important Transgender Visibility Day.
	We all know that.
	I mean, what's more important these days?
	But once you go here, you're going to start going down women's rights stuff.
	You're going to start poking the bear a little bit.
	You're going to end up in the abortion issues.
	You're going to end up making it a lot of people.
	Maybe I think maybe.
	Well, if you want to make a name for yourself, I think you will.
	That's not about making a name.
	See, that's the thing.
	I'm not here to get clicks.
	I'm not.
	And I know that's part of business.
	It's about telling the right story.
	It's about doing it the right way and picking it for me, picking and choosing.
	Wait, he threw his mouth.
	I don't know.
	No, I love it.
	I love the fact that it's like, it's not about me.
	I love the question you're asking and what she's saying, that what it's not about.
	And by the way.
	I think it all comes.
	It will all come out if you do it the right way.
	But a part of I fully agree with what he's saying is because, you know, so I started creating content and it was about business entrepreneurship.
	And I'm like, shit, I'm interested in the mob.
	And I'm like, why am I sitting in front of these mobsters and interviewing them?
	And I get along with Italians and myself.
	This is like we have great conversations.
	And it's like, man, I know a little bit too much about bodybuilding.
	And why am I interviewing these bodybuilders?
	And they're getting views.
	And there's so many people that are also, why am I interested in politics?
	Why am I interested in what?
	What is going on?
	And that journey, he's right.
	That journey you're going to go through, we're going to enjoy watching you go through it.
	It's going to be a good thing.
	I'm just saying, I'm not saying they're going, I want to do this because it's going to be clicking.
	Like people see through you.
	And that's fine.
	Sage, I'm just being real as hell.
	But it's going to be naturally, organic.
	You're Sade, natural thing.
	That's my nickname for Sage.
	God, dude.
	Sage is a Sade style.
	You got to get it.
	But what I'm saying is that should be the opening song to the podcast.
	The talking head reading off a script.
	Yeah, that's the LA to Florida.
	Can I sing?
	These last two podcasts have been.
	I was going to say a lot of people.
	By the way, if you're watching this, folks, if you're watching this, you heard what I said with her and Jason Whitlock and Stephen A and Candace and all these conversations we had.
	Do you agree with me?
	Do you disagree with me?
	Do you agree with her?
	You can ask her the question on Manek.
	Can you pull up her QR code?
	What are our QR codes?
	Ask her.
	And by the way, if you have any guest recommendations for her to have on her podcast, let her know on Manek.
	Send a list of five, 10 names.
	She's new to this space.
	Maybe there are certain people she needs to be looking at.
	Send her a message on Manek and let this relationship, the journey that she's going to be going through, participate with her on that.
	But you brought up Riley Gaines.
	So let's talk about Riley Gaines, right?
	Can I just say, well, you just said a word, though.
	You just said natural and organic.
	Right.
	And that's the thing.
	Because I think people, viewers, listeners are smart.
	Yep.
	And they see through you when you're doing it just to get attention.
	Like for me, and that's, and I've had fights with social media people about my page because they're like, just go, go, go, post.
	And I'm like, and I'll do it for you.
	I'm like, no, I need to do it because it's me and I don't want anyone to think that I'm selling out.
	Right.
	So you're so right.
	I just have to do it my way, which is like natural.
	It's hard, though.
	You know, it's a different way.
	Can I give an Adam type of metaphor right now, Vinny, with your promotion?
	Are you going to nail it on the, are you going to hit the nail now?
	I'm going to give an Adam type metaphor.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, it's going to take me 19 minutes to make this point, but let me kind of say it to you.
	Here's what I'm saying.
	Halfway through, remember to say what I'm saying.
	You know, it's kind of like, Adam, Vinny, it's kind of like organic.
	We're waiting organically for Adam to be interested in women above 30, not 20s.
	But it's not organic.
	No chance.
	See what I'm saying?
	It's not organic.
	Cody, how old are you?
	Falling off the party, Sage.
	What's going on?
	I could be your mother.
	Oh, my God.
	No, you couldn't.
	I could probably be your mother.
	By the way, if you could, someone's going to jail because FYI.
	Most people probably are not going to get your age right.
	But believe it or not, this guy, you know what number Reggie Jackson was?
	No, he's not.
	Yeah.
	No, you're not.
	Yeah.
	Reggie Jackson.
	Take this as a sign.
	What's Reggie Jackson's number?
	Can you tap on Reggie Jackson's number?
	Black Dog.
	Okay.
	Or good makeup.
	Does it crack?
	44.
	Oh, you look fantastic.
	Yeah, right?
	44.
	You look great.
	43.
	So, but wait, nobody can be over 30?
	I want to have a bunch of kids, Sage.
	But you didn't ask the question.
	No one can be over 30?
	No, they could, but.
	Preferably not.
	It's a metaphor.
	They certainly are not starting with four, Sage.
	No disrespect.
	I'll be over here if you need me.
	Listen, I'll go young too.
	You'll go young.
	Go young, you gotta sage.
	So, so.
	Let me have another side.
	Adam only gains.
	Adam's only going to date girls at the wedding when you get married.
	If they go, do you take this man to be a lawful wedded husband?
	She's going to go, fuck yeah.
	That's going to be the.
	She's not going to say yes.
	She's going to go off, fuck yeah.
	My rule at this point is like you are the no means from high school.
	I'm not talking.
	Okay, all right.
	So let's transition into this.
	No, no, listen.
	I mean, this is the world we live in.
	So it is what it is.
	My bad.
	Let's go on one story that I think, guys.
	We got 38 minutes.
	I'd like to hit up some stories here together.
	There are some incredible things going on with Caitlin Clark, right?
	Yeah.
	So the other day I saw stats.
	Rob, can you pull this up?
	The NCAA championships for women got more viewership than the NCAA championship for men.
	Yeah.
	What the hell is going on?
	She's here.
	She's a phenom.
	And she's a phenomenon.
	And yeah, right there, women's basketball championships were 18.9 million viewers versus 14.8 million for men's fueled by Caitlin Clark's emergence as a superstar.
	Can you play that clip by Paul Pierce, please, Rob, if you could?
	Paul Pierce had some choice words about it's so funny.
	But by the way, he came back and he actually gave her credit, which is respect.
	He did.
	So go ahead, play this clip, Rob.
	Go ahead.
	It's not, it's beyond that, Key.
	I'm going to tell you.
	I'm going to just keep it 100, which we saw a white girl in Iowa do it to a bunch of black girls.
	Well, of course.
	That made it like, oh, that gave my respect.
	That gained my respect.
	I can't see.
	That's like, oh, I didn't do this.
	She's the whitest person on the planet.
	Some other little white girls that was over here in Colorado, wherever.
	She did it to some girls from LSU who we thought were some dogs.
	Defending champs.
	Defending champs and put them on her knee and spank them.
	Spanked them.
	Spank them.
	Spanked them.
	So what do you think is going on with Caitlin?
	Is she already?
	Because you know, her and Diana, Tara Tarazi had an issue.
	Do you have that clip about her and Diana, right?
	She doesn't have an interesting pet PVD.
	She's taught the Diana's talking trash because she's like, you know what?
	Tiger Woods would do the same thing where the pros are like, relax, little guy.
	Wait, you haven't come and played with the Big Dogs.
	She is nasty.
	Like, it might not translate.
	Like, yeah, it translates, bro.
	She's the real deal.
	She's shooting from half court.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just buckets.
	This is not a center that's going to be like into a bigger realm, right?
	Yeah.
	This is somebody shooting from the outside like this who's going to keep shooting from the outside like this.
	Yeah, and this is just like, how much of this, how much is the Diana thing just kind of hating on her because she is the hottest thing?
	She's getting paid more than anybody.
	She's getting obviously more.
	She's going to the WNBA.
	But I mean, she got offers from men.
	She made over $3 million this year.
	$3 million as a college athlete?
	What makes her special, Sage?
	You've been in this.
	We have never seen anyone shoot like this.
	And look at what she's done, just numbers-wise, men's and women's basketball.
	You know, remember how in awe we were of Stephan Curry when he first came out shooting from the logo and all that?
	That's what she's doing.
	And she's doing it in college.
	And she's fundamentally so sound.
	And to take that team to where she took them the last two years in a row and couldn't quite get over the top because it is about your full team.
	Very, very good team, but not quite the South Carolina team and certainly last year's LSU team.
	She's doing it.
	She's doing it.
	The small town girl from Iowa.
	Like, by the way, there's nothing wrong with that.
	So I don't understand where the hate comes from.
	Usually, this is what my mom always told me through the years.
	And we'll, oh my gosh, so-and-so said this.
	She'd be like, you know what?
	That isn't even about you.
	They don't hate you.
	They got their own issues.
	Big time.
	They got their own insecurities.
	Big time.
	Which is shocking considering what these people coming at her have already accomplished.
	Like, they are some of the goats.
	And it's just so weird.
	And then, so they said their stuff.
	And then afterwards, you know, when the national championship ends, it's like, great job.
	All my love, you know, such respect for what you've done for the game.
	Like that comes after they already ripped her on some things.
	Like, why aren't you celebrating this?
	Because guess what?
	This girl single-handedly changed and elevated the sport.
	And guess who's going to win for that?
	All of them.
	Yep.
	Every single one of these women, even the old veterans who are still playing, like they're going to benefit because if there's more eyeballs on the WNBA, maybe those salaries will get a little bit higher.
	So why are you hating on somebody who's helping an entire sport?
	Like, it's people.
	I had so many people reaching out to me, and then I read on Twitter, like thousands and thousands.
	Look at the numbers, millions of people she single-handedly brought to the game, brought to the TV screens.
	Because when it crosses certain lines, you're talking about on Good Morning America.
	They don't know anything about sport.
	I mean, Robin Roberts certainly does there.
	But like at the end of the day, it's not what they focus on.
	So she brought so many people in, people who said, I've never watched a women's basketball game, but I did for this.
	And the parents who want to make sure their young daughters and sons, but daughters are watching pure greatness.
	So stop with the hate because guess what?
	You're going to win.
	You're going to be thanking Caitlin Clark for this.
	By the way, Kevin Garnett gave credit to Michael Jordan saying, if it wasn't for Michael doing all these shoe deals, we wouldn't be as wealthy as we are today.
	You guys better thank him.
	So she could make a lot of people wealthy.
	And by the way, Ice Cube offered her $5 million, Dave Portnoy, to play in the three, what do you call it?
	What is it called?
	Three on three?
	Three on three.
	And is this the one, Rob, where he says that?
	Can you play this?
	To play against men, right?
	That's where I'm going with this, by the way.
	Come about.
	Yeah, we made our offer a couple of weeks ago, and, you know, we was hoping to hear something back, and we haven't heard nothing back yet.
	She's a little busy.
	Yeah, but we heard something back.
	We heard, you know, it's tournament time, but it leaked.
	And so we don't want to deny it.
	The best thing to do is just let people know what was going on.
	We've looked at our guards over the years and the size of our guards and said, you know, that's a position that if a female $5 million Dave Portnoy came back and said, I'll top his, Ice Cube's $5 million with $10 million.
	So she's getting that kind of money being offered to her.
	So now the question then becomes, does she automatically increase the money for everybody else?
	Or is she that, does she have that much of a distance of the second best women's basketball player that that's not going to happen to everybody?
	What do you think?
	I think eventually through time.
	I mean, how about the Indiana fever with the first overall pick?
	I mean, you talk about changing your franchise completely.
	By the way, she's going to a very comfortable place probably for her.
	Iowa to Indiana, Midwest, Midwest Love, where I listen, I went to Indiana University.
	That's where I went to school.
	Like there's nothing bigger than basketball in the Hoosier Street.
	So did Mark Cuban also went to DBA?
	A lot of good people went to that school.
	Good for you.
	A lot of great people.
	She's successful.
	She's successful.
	Mark Cuban's a facing DEI, but go ahead.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Goodness.
	Last time I saw him, we were actually at Assembly Hall, Bob Knight's long-awaited return after being fired in 2000, 2020, about a month before the pandemic began.
	We sat next to each other in our candy stripe shirts and pants and watched with tears in our eyes as Bob Knight came back.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, a lot of us basketball loving people.
	So I think it's going to, yeah, it's going to take a minute, but no matter what, it'll be interesting to see after the first month of the WNBA, which their season, it's a summer league, basically.
	It's coming up right around the corner.
	It'll be fascinating to see how the numbers look, the ratings.
	If there is a bump, I'm pretty sure that ESPN and those networks that have WNBA are going to be putting the Indiana fever on much more than they ever have in the past.
	I'm going to burst your bubble right now.
	Go.
	Nobody gives a shit.
	And I'll tell you why.
	She should take this offer from Ice Cube from Cube from Dave Portnoy and not even think twice.
	You know the highest paid player in the WNBA?
	You know who it is?
	250 grand.
	Exactly.
	The NBA subsidizes the WNBA.
	We want to have a whole conversation about equal pay and the gender wage gap.
	That's no more prevalent than what's going on in the WNBA and respect.
	Like, I love basketball.
	Shout out to her.
	Superstar in college basketball.
	Arguably, she's taking a downgrade.
	To go to the WNBA.
	Nobody watches the NBA.
	Nobody cares.
	I'm sorry.
	If more people did, there'd be more butts and seats.
	She'd get paid more.
	She'd make it.
	It's irrelevant.
	You don't think she might make a change?
	Oh, I'm saying.
	No, she's not to make it.
	She's going to make the change.
	It's not happening.
	It's great.
	She's not going to beat the NBA.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying she's going to be a bit more.
	I know.
	And I'm saying we're not comparing it to the NBA.
	You can't.
	That's Apple's Norris.
	She's going, though, in my opinion, to improve the base of the WNBA.
	She will make that better for the NBA.
	We've seen it with Brittany Graner.
	We've seen it with Diana Tarasi.
	These are all great players.
	No, not like this, though.
	Now, hold on, hold on.
	Okay, Vinny, let me ask you a question.
	How many WNBA games are you going to watch this year?
	No, no, hold on.
	How many this year?
	Hold on.
	With her in it, how many of you watch?
	I'll watch the first game and see what she does in her first game.
	And then how many more games after that?
	Let me ask you a question.
	Is she going to sell out?
	Hold on.
	Shut your dirty mouth.
	Is she going to sell out any WNBA games?
	Is she going to hold on here?
	Maybe the first one.
	Maybe the first one?
	You want to make a bet?
	Hold on.
	How many more eyeballs are you?
	Have you ever watched a WNBA and WNBA game from start to finish?
	Yes or no?
	No, I don't think you're going to be.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Ready for this?
	I haven't watched a regular basketball game from beginning to end.
	That's a lie.
	Hold on.
	When I was a kid, when I was a kid.
	Oh, because you know me so well.
	You watch me at home.
	You've never watched sports.
	An NBA game from start to finish.
	When I was young, Michael Jordan, yeah.
	I didn't give two shits about basketball.
	Two shits.
	So go to my point.
	Most people will watch the NBA.
	To go to the NBA.
	Make this point.
	Go ahead.
	Go to one.
	Make your point.
	Because I'm going to nail this, hit this hammer, whatever the hell you say.
	I'm saying she's going to show up.
	She's going to show up.
	If she's bringing 18 million eyeballs and beating NCAA, watch what she's going to do.
	Give her a chance.
	Here's a question, though.
	He actually makes a very good point on one area.
	And then you make a good point that I'm going to watch the first game.
	Honestly, we can probably watch the whole thing at 59.
	I want to see how she does.
	I hope she comes out, scores 50, right?
	But here's the point.
	So can you Google who is the highest paid WNBA player of all time?
	Is it $250?
	That's a salary.
	Is anybody making a million or not yet?
	Becky Young makes $250.
	WNBA.
	No, no, no.
	But that's why they go to Europe.
	That's why Brittany Griner went to Russia.
	That's and got in trouble.
	But they have to go to continue to make that money.
	DeWina Bonner, Dewana Bonner, $8.99.
	Elena 89.
	Oh, never.
	Oh, ever.
	That's a hundred.
	It's not annual, right?
	Okay, so here's people at PNA.
	Here's a question for you.
	Here's a question for you and Sage.
	And Tom, I want you to think about this.
	You're a math guy.
	So she just got offered $5 million.
	Take it.
	Okay.
	Portner gives $10 million.
	Here's a question.
	Say we own a WNBA team.
	You know what we're doing right now?
	We're sitting there.
	We're like, oh, man.
	Tom, are we, Sage, guys?
	We're the board.
	What are we going to offer this girl?
	Better be a lot.
	And we're going to be like, our team's not worth a lot of money.
	We can't afford to pay her $5 million.
	Or can we?
	Do we go raise the capital and give her a five-year $25 million contract, $5 million a year?
	What do you, Tom?
	You're a GM guy.
	You're a baseball guy.
	What do we do with something like this?
	How do we make that decision here?
	You got to make that decision on TV viewership.
	Oh, I just got a big pop in this.
	We didn't hear it, by the way.
	It was your mic.
	Keep going.
	I look at it this way.
	He who raises TV viewership, he or she.
	Kate's a she, but go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	The player that raises TV for people that get confused.
	But go ahead.
	Yeah, because there's a lot of transactions.
	That's going to change everything.
	I mean, Tiger Woods changed golf.
	I mean, increased the position.
	No, no, I'm not qualifying it.
	It says, if we believe that she's going to raise the TV viewership, then we absolutely pay her.
	So we're making.
	She's going to.
	That's right.
	So if we're the Indiana board, I'd look at it and say, you know what?
	Do we make a bet here?
	Sports is about making a bet.
	How many players have come out and played two, three games, and then they get really hurt and it doesn't happen?
	It happens all over the place.
	You're making a bet right now.
	It says, do I think that the enthusiasm, the Midwest enthusiasm is going to come to Indiana because we are sitting here in Midwest and you've got this Midwest heroine who's coming over here?
	I would look at it and seriously look at making a bet.
	But in making the bet, you've got all the other owners are going to say you're also setting a precedent.
	That's what I was going to say, the precedent.
	And the precedent better line up with the math of the current TV contract.
	Well, the beauty of the TV contract is everything.
	Yeah.
	CBAs, you covered this, right?
	The percent of the CBAs have percent of revenue coming to the players, right?
	That's always the argument.
	42%, 42.5%, 43%.
	It's like baseball.
	And baseball players pray for those big local market, like Yes Networks and what the Dodgers finally did after years, because that goes into the CBA and player contracts are now a percent of that.
	Salary cap moves up as a percent of that.
	So if we believe it can happen, we can do it.
	Or are the other owners going to call us PBD and say, if you do something crazy with her, you could screw the entire league.
	There's going to be that pressure as well.
	I really think that.
	But at the end of the day, you see what she does.
	I believe the ratings will spike.
	It will never be to the NBA level.
	Obviously.
	So I'm just saying, I'm clarifying, making sure that's not the expectation, but I do think it'll change some things.
	And most importantly, she's going to make whatever she can in the WNBA.
	But no matter what, she's already set with the endorsements.
	She's got millions coming in.
	Did she make five of your first year WNB or no?
	No, what?
	Endorsement-wise?
	No, no, like WNBA money.
	No.
	It's about the coaches don't even make that.
	And the coaches right now are certainly much higher payments.
	She's going to get paid.
	$250,000.
	What's the max right now?
	What's the WNBA?
	Is that what the number is?
	250.
	She might not even get it.
	Is there a max in WNBA?
	I don't even know if there's a set.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Are you sure?
	Go to it's this WNBA salary cap.
	It's only about a million and a half, isn't it?
	Salary cap for the team.
	Well, go for it.
	It says, will you?
	And if you look at the roster, I mean, some of these girls are making nothing.
	Got it.
	The first round pick, don't ask me why I know the NFL.
	Or the team cap, of course.
	There's always those things.
	Yes.
	There's a team cap.
	Tom, I'm glad you brought up the CBA, the collective bargaining agreement.
	It's slotted in.
	So if you're the first pick in the NFL, like the first pick is going to be the quarterback from USC.
	I forget his name.
	He's slotted in.
	He can't negotiate.
	It's slotted in.
	Second pick gets this.
	Third pick gets this.
	You know how much the first pick for the WNBA makes?
	Slotted in.
	75 Gs.
	That's what Caitlin Clark is going to make this year.
	Now, she'll make more from doing an endorsement at the local Indiana Goodyear tire plant than she's going to make in the NBA this year.
	She already has right now Janer and a couple of others.
	She's making millions right there.
	She's right there.
	How many players, the top 10, each makes 70 grand.
	She's going to make 76 grand.
	By the way, you know what, though?
	Let me tell you, it's unfair to whatever team she goes to is the luckiest team out there.
	Indiana.
	Because watch this.
	You know what?
	Rob, can you Google what was the average MLS team's valuation 20 years ago?
	Average MLS team valuation 20 years ago.
	Whatever.
	Let's see if we can see Major Limazozo, not today, but history of MLS team valuations.
	Anyways, you could buy an MLS team.
	You know, Tom, we know one of our investors that invested into the company, he bought the Houston Dynamo, I think, for $25 million.
	And the Dash and the stadium.
	Oh, and the Dash in the stadium for $25 million.
	And this was 10 years ago, I believe.
	Okay.
	10 years ago.
	What is Inner Miami?
	We went to a game the other day.
	What's Inner Miami World today?
	Billion and a half, right?
	Because of who?
	Because of Messina.
	Exactly.
	And Beckham.
	Beckham brought a lot of these guys, right?
	So, but I'll say this.
	If she goes and all of a sudden, privately, I'm calling, you're not picking up.
	And then you pick up the phone.
	I hear background loud music.
	I'm like, Vinny, are you watching Caitlin Clark?
	No, no, no, no, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	Vinny.
	No, FaceTime.
	FaceTime.
	All of a sudden, that turns to a notebook.
	But if all of a sudden she brings those kinds of eyeballs and she has like a game changer.
	Yes.
	And especially because of the trash talking that was coming her way from some of those legends in and out of the game right now.
	You know, everybody's going to be paying attention to that.
	That's what's going to make it.
	There's going to be girls in Malta.
	That's incredible.
	Flanders are coming.
	I went to Vinny's house.
	He had a poster of Caitlin Clark in his living room.
	Yeah.
	I'm not playing.
	Her first game prediction, because I think it's coming up, 14 points, three assists, six assists, two rebounds.
	What she did in college was incredible.
	That does not translate to the WNBA.
	You sure?
	It's just like the best player in college, Zach Eady, let's say, his first game in the NBA, he'll have four points and three rebounds.
	It just doesn't work that way.
	I could be wrong.
	Caitlin Clark can just show up.
	I do think it's a different game.
	I think it's a different point.
	It's a crazy breaking news.
	You were right.
	Was I right?
	O.J. Simpson dead.
	No way.
	I just said it to Pat.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	Five minutes ago.
	O.J. Double murder.
	Someone killed him and a girlfriend.
	O.J. Simpson.
	No, no, no.
	He was out of prison, right?
	Don't joke.
	Oh, yeah.
	He was long.
	Don't joke about a murder.
	Now we're sympathetic about it.
	What OJ Simpson put out.
	Go to OJ Simpson's Twitter account right there.
	Just a few minutes ago, 12 minutes ago, their family tweeted this.
	On April 10th, our father, OJ Simpson, succumbed to his battle with cancer, was surrounded by his children and grandchildren.
	During this time of transition, his family asked, please respect their wishes of privacy and grace.
	Oh, my God.
	What a, what a.
	I didn't know he had cancer.
	No, he talked about it, but the way he made it seem the video that came out recently, because if you go back a couple weeks ago, he did a video.
	Maybe they took the video down.
	He's like, all the stuff you're hearing, rumors about me and cancer, they're lie.
	I'm okay.
	There's nothing going on with me.
	This is the one.
	Rob, play this.
	Go back a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	World?
	Hospice?
	Hospice?
	You're talking about hospice?
	No, I'm not in any hospital.
	I don't know who put that out there, but whoever put that out there, I guess it's like the Donald say, can't trust the media.
	In any event, I'm hosting a ton of friends for the Super Bowl here in Las Vegas.
	All is well.
	So you know, so one thing you got to give him credit.
	Have a good Super Bowl.
	He's got the Bill Clinton syndrome.
	Which one?
	I did not have any relations with that.
	Well, if it doesn't fit him much, yeah.
	What do you mean?
	Like the craziest thing of the entire thing, which, guys, everybody knows what happened.
	This guy, the audacity to write a book after the murders, and the book was called, I didn't do it, but if I did, this is how I would have done it.
	Do you know what he's been doing for the last handful of years?
	He's been out there lurking, searching for victims, for the killers.
	How do you process?
	Nicole Brown, Ron Goldman.
	How do you process this?
	I'm just shooting my shot right now.
	Well, meaning he's a double murderer.
	Yep.
	He was acquitted because if the glove don't fit, he must have.
	Well, because there's a Mark Furman who was a racist that was on the like he's the luckiest murderer.
	Is there anything more watered down word these days?
	No, Mark Furman was a racist.
	He was big time.
	And he did plan.
	He didn't need to.
	The facts were going to be there, but the fact that this guy was on that case ruined what?
	I love that you're focused on Mark Furman.
	That's great.
	No, Adam, I agree.
	He had the most amazing legal team ever put together.
	It was a super team.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Johnny Cochran, Robert Kardashian.
	Didn't he have Alan Dershowitz as well?
	Didn't he have Robert Shapiro?
	Dude, this guy spent millions of dollars on lawyers.
	Yeah, he got it.
	He didn't spend it, but he didn't get paid.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	He got off.
	I think everybody knows.
	He did.
	He killed those people.
	Hold on.
	I did not.
	I didn't say he didn't, but look at the circumstances.
	Besides the team, you have a known racist detective taking the glove, which already has blood on it and moving it.
	You just messed up a crime scene and you made him now the luckiest murderer on the planet.
	And then he's putting on the gloves.
	And it's like, bro, just because you got on a tight glove doesn't mean you can't kill anybody.
	I could kill Tom right now with some tight gloves.
	I love to see it.
	I know, I love Tom.
	But what I'm saying.
	Oh, boy.
	What I'm saying is in a climate where the country, dude, the country was, we were in a badge.
	It was L.A. Rihanna.
	Was it in the LA River?
	1995.
	What year was it?
	95.
	Yeah.
	But if they said, even if they know he was guilty, Indicate, if they were like, no, he's guilty, put him in jail.
	Do you know what the country would have gone into?
	He was the luckiest time.
	Maybe BLM, Ryan.
	Pretty well.
	Maybe we've seen it.
	He murdered two people.
	Penny, there were two trials.
	He was one and one.
	He lost the trial.
	Yeah, the simple trial.
	Yeah, four and simple kids.
	But the Goldman family.
	My personal point.
	On the same evidence presented to a different jury by the side.
	How does that work?
	So my point is, he murdered two people at the luckiest time.
	OJ, rest in peace.
	I don't know about that.
	You believe in heaven and hell.
	OJ, rest in peace.
	I don't think the word peace should ever be in the same sentence with O.J. Simpson, even if he's no longer walking this earth.
	My first thoughts went to the Brown family and then Ronald Goldman, the Goldman and the Brown families.
	And we're like, what must they be thinking right now?
	I don't even think there's peace with them, right?
	Even the guy that killed them, allegedly, right?
	Guy that killed them is now gone.
	Do they have peace?
	they never have I don't think there's any anyway and even if you're his family if you're OJ's family I'm glad everybody was there I guess But like, no matter what, and especially think about the way he handled his business over the last several years.
	And remember the robbery in Las Vegas?
	He was there with the guns and the rings, selling.
	He was there.
	So I don't know that the words.
	You think he was guilty of the double murder in 95?
	I mean, yeah.
	Okay.
	But like, it's not, you know, does our opinion matter?
	Unfortunately, more important opinions don't even matter.
	And I think it comes down to, that was a great question, Pat.
	I think it's, he will rest in peace if, because we didn't see it.
	We had no idea.
	If he did sage, if he genuinely prayed to God, because we're not stupid, and he asked for forgiveness and was genuine in his heart for doing it, he'll be okay.
	If not, I mean, if you believe in the Bible and you're a Christian and you're just walking on the bottom of the world, if he asked for forgiveness and if he was in his heart, said, listen to God, because that's the main conversation.
	Who cares about the cameras?
	Who cares about anybody else?
	If he had a moment with God and asked Jesus Christ, please, I messed up.
	I'm a killer and I'm a sinner.
	Forgive me.
	He's going to be okay.
	If not, that's a hard contract.
	He's a good person.
	Yeah, that's how it works.
	If you ask forgotten, what are your thoughts on OJ PBD?
	Never been a fan on what he's done and how he handles himself in media.
	To me, he always came across fake, always came across as deceptive and all of that.
	But look, man, anytime anybody that dies, and I talk to my guys over the years or whoever it is, friends, family, you only have one mom, you only have one dad.
	To his kids, that's their father.
	So to those kids, you know, they're, you know, imagine being his child.
	You didn't do anything to be his child.
	No matter where you go, hey, Mary Simpson, is your dad OJ?
	How many times did they have to answer that question?
	Can you imagine the answer to your dad's OJ?
	Hey, be careful.
	He may do what his dad.
	Can you imagine like all that stuff?
	To me, I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, there's a part of it that we can, not a fan, not a supportive.
	Will he rest in peace for what he did and what he experienced and how we all the interviews I've watched with the ways allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, and even on the Sasha Baron Cohen, hey, you know, me and you, we have something in common.
	We're both the lady killers, you know?
	Have you ever seen that one?
	We're both ladykiller.
	You know who this is?
	This is OJ.
	La OJ.
	OJ.
	That's so funny.
	So, I mean, even to the point where a Sasha.
	But anyways, there's two sides.
	One side, hey, you believe in God?
	If he did what he did, only God can judge me.
	He's about to find out what's going to happen.
	None of us are going to know.
	On the other side, I feel bad for the kids.
	I feel bad for those who are directly impacted.
	Love and family.
	Yeah.
	That part is.
	I hate that such great memories as an athlete.
	Just gone.
	He did this to himself.
	Yeah, he was like a trophy.
	And all the commercials that he was in and that smile.
	That was back in football's heyday, too, right?
	Like, he was great.
	Yeah.
	It was so sad to watch.
	I mean, I just, a little caveat.
	The kids that you're talking about, you feel bad for the kids?
	Well, their mother was Nicole Brown Simpson that was murdered by their dad.
	Allegedly OJ.
	So talk about grappling with the sadness and reality and disgustingness of life.
	It wasn't like their kids were like, yeah, we love you, dad.
	But he's close to his kids.
	Yeah.
	So we're here.
	Yeah.
	All I'm saying to you is, listen, how many more complicated situations?
	We all remember where he was with the Bronco, right?
	We all remember that.
	You know, like almost like if you buy a Bronco, I bet some people sit there and say, would you like to buy a Bronco?
	Like, he probably heard a question younger.
	Not a white one.
	I'll get a red one.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Definitely not a black Bronco.
	But white Broncos are not like, can you imagine like that jokes that people could say?
	I don't know.
	I think there's just, you know, there's a lot of stories with this, but 76?
	76 years old.
	Yep.
	76 years old that this happens.
	Anyways, he had two kids with Nicole and three kids separately.
	So there's probably a different related point between those two.
	Yeah.
	Let's go to a couple different issues here since we're together.
	So Sage Steele says ESPN told her not to deviate from Biden's interview script.
	Now, we've seen what you've said about it.
	Tell us a little bit more about it.
	I know you did the interview.
	If you can play one of the clips with her and the great Joe Biden, if you can put that the moment together.
	Did he smell old?
	And that was not in person.
	Okay, it was Zoom.
	My bad.
	Do you have that, Rob, or you don't have it?
	If you don't.
	I can find it.
	Give me one.
	Yeah, okay.
	So how was that?
	You know, did you approach ESPN?
	Did ESPN approach you?
	Did ESPN say, we want you to interview him?
	What was that like?
	ESPN came to me and said, what are you doing next Tuesday?
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Listen, I don't know the goings on behind the scenes about even how the interview came to be.
	You know, if you think about during Barack Obama's presidency, we had him on every March.
	Remember, he filled out the brackets on ESPN for eight years.
	And then nothing when Trump, when Trump was in office, it was complete avoidance.
	And then with his Biden interview.
	So this is only two months after he took office.
	And yeah, it was, there were a lot of cooks in that kitchen coming up with the scripts and the exact questions and the exact wording.
	And I was to stick to that script.
	Was there anything in it, Sage, that you, in your heart, like, you wanted to be like, wait a minute, did anything, or was it just so scripted that you didn't even have a chance to think of something different to like press them on it?
	Because obviously, I mean, you couldn't, but was there anything inside?
	Yeah, that's what you wish you could have said?
	Yes.
	What would be one of the things that you wish?
	Honest God.
	Sage, I'm so quick.
	Because I saw it, Sage.
	What was the burning one that you could have been like, hey, guys, I don't give a damn if it cost me my job?
	Boom.
	Yeah.
	It was the first question, one of the first questions out of the gate, which was about the potential at that time, potential cancellation of the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Atlanta.
	Oh, wow.
	Based on quote-unquote illegal racist voting laws in the state of Georgia.
	Wow.
	And he said that he would be fine with, and he would support removing the all-star game from Georgia, from Atlanta, because of the racist voting laws.
	When I think his answer was about, you can't even bring water to people standing in line.
	I'm like, what?
	What is he even, what is he even talking about?
	Was that the Sage?
	Was that the whole, you know, black people, they can't get IDs.
	So how are they supposed to vote?
	They're supposed to have no idea.
	That's exactly what it was.
	And again, you're coming off of George Floyd 2020.
	So this is March of 2021.
	And so that Black Lives Matter thing hadn't been fully exposed at that point.
	By the way, I give Candace Owens credit for that because I was listening to her back during that time.
	And she's like, wait a minute, I've gotten online.
	I've tried to follow like the trade.
	You can follow money that the businesses make and where it goes.
	And you couldn't find anything.
	So that's when I immediately was like, what is this BLM thing?
	What does it stand for?
	Anyway, so that was in everybody's heads when this came up.
	And yeah, I mean, hello.
	Have you seen me?
	I wanted to say, so you're telling me that because of the color of my skin, I'm not smart enough to be able to remember to bring my driver's license when I go and stand in line to vote or to get one in the first place.
	Like, stop.
	What you're saying is actually racist.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, he's the most, if you go to the history, the track record, he is so, he has said more racist shit than any president.
	And they just go, oh, he's old.
	And that guy, go look at his past of, I'll put y'all back in chains.
	And if you don't vote for, for, if you don't vote for Trump, you ain't black.
	And you ain't black.
	And the amount of shit that he has said about black people, nobody knows.
	But it's also in the state of Georgia.
	And that's what many Democrats, of course, in the left and the state of Georgia were saying that this is so racist.
	And I just, I'm like, are we, is it this simple now?
	Where you, as the commander in chief, are able to say that that's race.
	And there's people not bringing water to only black.
	You're going to give water to white people.
	Why not?
	No, black.
	Like, shut up and stop.
	So that was what I would have loved to have said is please, can you tell me?
	So does that mean, like, am I, which ones of us are smart enough?
	Is it because I'm lighter skinned?
	Like, what are we saying?
	That's what I wish I could have said and done.
	And you know what happened, Sage?
	That screen would have been all black.
	They would have cut the transmission just like that.
	Did you say that you had Trump come on ESPN, but they didn't invite him?
	What happened with that?
	Four years of Trump in office.
	Never once.
	Never once.
	Weird.
	Never once after eight years every year with Obama.
	And by the way, if you even, if you think about if you're a court side, if he was court side at an NBA game or an NCA game, because he's a huge basketball fan, that camera was always over there at ESPN ABC that was zooming in on the president.
	You know, there's certainly some hesitation when Trump comes out onto the football field.
	Or I do think it's funny with UFC because UFC airs what on ESPN plus ESPN platforms and you've got Dana White and Trump sitting side by side and ESPN.
	You got to have to put the camera on.
	Did you do anything with Obama ever or no?
	Did I?
	Yeah.
	No, never once, never met him.
	Never meet him.
	Oh, you've never met me?
	Never met him.
	No, I would have loved to.
	Listen, I posted the picture of us basically at the UFC fight when Dana, and I had met Trump once before at his live golf event in Bedminster in 2022 in New Jersey at his course.
	And he was wonderful.
	I had a great talk then.
	This was the second time I met him at the UFC thing.
	And I just thought it was like, I don't care who you are.
	If you're the sitting president or former president, it's an honor to meet you.
	I disagree vehemently with a lot of what Barack Obama said and did, but it would be an honor to meet him.
	And I would have posted that picture too.
	Did Trump not show up because ESPN didn't want him on?
	No, I'm saying he did when we were there.
	No, you said this is on the UFC.
	Yeah, I got shot down the UFC.
	Oh, no, no, the brackets were never, that bracket opportunity was never offered.
	Donald Trump.
	That's my point.
	But they didn't offer it to force.
	Oh, hell no.
	And then you covered the, there's been multiple like Golden State Warriors, I think.
	I mean, the Lakers refused to go see Trump at the White House.
	Yes, and women's teams as well.
	I mean, they have a right to do it.
	I just think it's so funny when we pick and choose, right?
	And Bill Clinton was the best president ever, but we just forget what was happening in the Oval Office and we can forgive him for those moral failures.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's just the hypocrisy of picking and choosing.
	To me, pretty much all politicians are filthy, right?
	Like a narcissist and all the above.
	And I'm not saying terrible human beings, but there's some skeletons with every politician.
	And for me, stop vote with your emotions, put it to the side, because, you know, I'm going to have an issue with everybody.
	What are your policies?
	Are we going to be safer as a country?
	Is the economy going to be better?
	I look at the issues and I don't really care about some of the other crap because you can't.
	You'll never find the perfect person.
	So and this is a personal, you don't have to answer it, but I'm very curious.
	I mean, from hearing what you just said with policy and personal, whatever, 2024 election, I think this is one of, I mean, every four years, they're like, this is the most important.
	Are you leaning somewhere?
	Do you feel because obviously Trump is going to be the Republican candidate?
	Thank God.
	I think, hopefully, let's just say.
	I don't trust that certain people are going to allow him to get to November.
	I 100% agree.
	I pray to God that it is because he's.
	I really don't believe that.
	No, I believe that it should happen, but I think that the Democrats have proven right now this TDS and it's absolute insanity of what they're trying to do to avoid that from happening, to make sure it doesn't happen.
	I hope it does.
	And to be honest with you, I hate to even put it out there.
	I worry about his safety.
	I mean, I think there's so many crazy people.
	They are going to such great lengths to prevent this man with 91 charges and all the stuff in Georgia.
	Like, it's insanity.
	So I hope so.
	Okay.
	So if it does come, let's just say, if it's Trump, Biden, if it comes Trump, Biden, Sage, you're not working at ESPN.
	You're not working for freaking that Disney umbrella.
	Who are you going with?
	Like, if you had, like, if it's Joe Biden, if it's Joe Biden and Donald Trump, because we had Stephen A. here, he was like, Biden, Biden, Biden.
	He did?
	Yeah, because he has to say it.
	This was two weeks ago.
	That was the most recent visit.
	Recent visit.
	He didn't say it once, Sage.
	He said, Biden, Biden, Biden.
	My head was going to blow up because name one thing that he's done.
	If it comes down to Trump and Biden, well, okay, two things.
	Number one, none of your business.
	Okay.
	And I say that jokingly because I'm going to kind of answer that.
	I love it.
	Yeah, go for it.
	When I asked my parents that in 1988, when I was like, oh, I just want to talk about it.
	I did civics class in high school and they're like, none of your business.
	Because they wanted me to go on my own and find out why I believe a certain thing.
	And my parents did a hell of a job.
	I've not done quite as well.
	On that note, hell no, Joe Biden.
	I'll say that.
	Because you know why?
	I care about this country and where we are right now, just with national security, whether it's across the pond or at the border.
	It is brutal.
	And I follow all the inflation numbers.
	I follow the economy.
	I follow the divisiveness that this administration puts out every single day.
	So there's no way on God's green earth that I would vote for Joe Biden.
	Period.
	So at the end of the day, it's always the, and I hate to even use this word, but you know, it's a saying, lesser of the evils, right?
	And so for me, that's what it is.
	And I think that I'm able to put the other stuff with Trump aside.
	Yeah, perfect.
	Stuff that bothers people.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Because I can't change that.
	And there's a whole bunch of stuff with Biden as well.
	And there's a whole bunch of stuff with RFK and Ron DeSantis and Obama.
	Stuff that, though, in the mainstream media, they choose to overlook.
	So it's about policy and it's about keeping us safer.
	And for me, it's a no-brainer.
	I have two other issues to go through if you guys are disgusting that Corrine Jean-Pierre is trying to take your look and is failing miserably.
	Oh, yeah.
	That is not good.
	It is horrible.
	Are you comparing me to be a little bit more likely to be a kid?
	Does this go back to Joe Rogan, Dana White?
	Is that what you're doing?
	I'm not calling back in comedy.
	All I'm doing is saying is your loveliest performance tonight.
	And he's amazing.
	We'll pick it up.
	She's ruining the vibe is all I'm saying.
	I had the vibe reverse.
	My hair.
	Nine out of ten failing.
	Nothing close.
	Absolutely not even the same ballpark.
	Nothing close.
	Literally why you date 20-year-olds because that makes sense.
	You mean not me.
	Him.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because when you get offended, and then they want to win him over.
	And it's an easy way of, you know what I'm saying?
	Like he just says, you look like, you know, such a, no, I don't.
	I'm better home.
	Oh, my God.
	And what if I find out and show you I'm better?
	That's the structure.
	I like the system.
	We just revealed a lot of PBD's game back.
	Right.
	Right.
	I was in my 20s.
	I dated 20-year-olds.
	Sometimes older, but that's because I don't know my age.
	But it is what it is.
	Don't be afraid of that, you guys.
	No, no, I had the opposite effect.
	So, okay, all right, let's keep going.
	Here we go.
	This story.
	You know, there is a guy in sports.
	For whatever reason, he's got a lot of different nicknames.
	Okay.
	Sweetheart, gentle, kind, grateful, wholesome, easy to be around.
	Why is it that Keith Oberman is a he's got this reputation of like, you know, he's like a bundle of joy to be around.
	Is that a true rumor?
	She's getting hydrated.
	If I have my, like, listen, we may have to fire.
	Where's my drink?
	Where's my glass of wine or my shots to Kayla?
	What is he like?
	Because I just watched this guy on Twitter.
	I'm like, is there a person more bitter, angry, and ungrateful than this guy?
	What's he like to work with?
	Mesmerism.
	No, he wasn't like that to work with.
	Interesting.
	He wasn't.
	He was fine.
	I would love to know.
	Do you think he'd come on my show?
	Oh, I would pay for that.
	I would pay for that.
	I'm going to invite him, but and then he'll go on and tweet about how dumb I am.
	Again, it's funny because he has my phone number.
	He has ways to reach me.
	And if you have a problem with anything I'm saying, what a concept.
	Pick up the phone, send a text.
	But these people are cowards and Keith is at the top of the list.
	You think Keith is a coward?
	Yes.
	Why is he a coward?
	Talk to my face.
	You sat on my show, by the way.
	It was my Sports Center show.
	And he filled in for my co-host at the time several times.
	And the funny thing is, and I say this, I'm glad he likes dogs.
	He likes to find dogs' homes.
	And it's a beautiful thing that he does on this Twitter every day.
	So the show is in Bristol.
	Sports Center is in Bristol, but they needed Keith to fill in or asked him to fill in for whatever reason because this is the third time at ESPN at this point, right?
	He's been fired a couple other times, the third time.
	And so you bring him back in and he's going to fill in a couple times and maybe do some baseball tonight.
	And they were like, can you go to New York instead of him?
	I'm like, why?
	I had three kids.
	I'm home.
	I'm doing all my stuff.
	Like, well, he can't leave his dogs for a night.
	I need you to, can you go to New York?
	I was like, okay, I'll work it out with my ex-husband.
	He'll take the kids.
	And you know what?
	I'll get a nice dinner in New York City.
	It's better than central Connecticut outside of Hartford.
	But he was kind.
	And I went into his office.
	I was like, how are you?
	Let's just back up.
	For those of us Sports Center fans from back in the day in particular, he was one of the GOATs.
	Oberman, David Mask.
	He's kidding me sick.
	Like the best.
	And so I was excited to work with him because he was past tense and passed him by at this point a couple of years ago, last time I hosted with him.
	But it was like, it's Oberman.
	Like, this is amazing.
	And just to watch him and watch, he's a beautiful, he's a writer.
	Like, he was a journalist.
	But then you leave ESPN and MSNBC and TNN.
	And where else did he work?
	And every single place, you get fired.
	So at some point, my dad says that my retired Army Colonel, West Point graduate dad, you got to look in the mirror every once in a while.
	And what's your track record?
	His track record is crap.
	So when people continue to hire somebody when you know what they're going to bring, that's on you.
	He was kind.
	He was fun.
	I was silly with my Instagram video.
	And I'm like, hey, kid.
	And we chatted it up.
	And he didn't start attacking me until he learned, I guess, that I had more center-right leanings.
	And therefore, I'm the devil.
	Was it Trump?
	Like, here's my question, though.
	Did this happen like seven years?
	When did he start turning to this angry, bitter person?
	Because I think personally there's something deeper.
	Oh, there is.
	I mean, there's something going on.
	And mind you, I'm not one to talk.
	I'm on the market.
	I'm dating.
	I'm trying to get married.
	I want to have kids.
	He's not married.
	He doesn't have any kids.
	No.
	Apparently, these dogs are really important.
	And then I looked up what would make somebody so angry and bitter.
	And on his Wikipedia, and I'm not this, I'm just stating a fact.
	In 1980, he tried leaping onto a New York City subway train and he suffered a head injury, which permanently upset his equilibrium.
	Maybe, maybe that, maybe with Trump derangement syndrome, it's just, oh, because how do you go from that person to this angry, bitterness?
	What'd he say about her, Rob?
	She's the dumbest person I've ever worked with.
	Something is wrong in here.
	Something is wrong in here.
	And I think there needs to be a practice started by psychiatrists for what Trump derangement syndrome does to people.
	And that's all their specialty is.
	He was miserable before Trump.
	And then it just.
	Okay, see, I didn't know.
	No, no, he was.
	He was.
	I didn't know that.
	But I don't really, and by the way, I mean, call me all the names you want.
	I've been there, done that.
	I'll take it.
	I don't care.
	I don't care what you think because I don't respect you, number one.
	But number two, like, okay, dumb.
	I don't know.
	ESPN paid me a lot of money for many, many years.
	So I don't know how dumb I am.
	But again, like, and by the way, I don't even, I don't block.
	I think I've blocked like 12 people on Twitter ever, maybe a few more, but I don't block him.
	He can say what he wants.
	I silence him because I choose to not have certain energies around me.
	And you can sit there and read it all.
	And then you go, then you're tempted to do what?
	And I used to do that.
	And a couple times a year, I'll go back at him.
	I did it recently.
	So once or twice a year.
	Here's that fun one.
	Just have fun with it because I'm like, dude, you like get a life.
	He stands on the balcony overlooking Central Park.
	And then he talked about all the women hitting dates.
	And I would hope so after all those contracts at all those places.
	But it's just the point is such a talented human being who has made a choice.
	I say it to my kids all the time, happiness is a choice.
	He is choosing misery and to be hateful towards others.
	And so congratulations.
	Enjoy your life.
	I'll read about another person.
	Yeah, he should have money.
	He's been around the block for a minute and he's done well for himself.
	Here's the next one that maybe you have different thoughts about this.
	Maybe she's sweeter than him.
	I don't know.
	I mean, this is a different story.
	The Rock displayed political cowardice by not endorsing Biden, former ESPN anchor said, and it's not you.
	ESPN anchor Jameel Hill said, this is the most fatal non-statement I've ever heard.
	And I loved Dwayne Johnson.
	Like, you know, during my time at ESPN, if you ask people, the number one person who they felt like when they did the car wash was like the best person that came through there in terms of like how they interacted with people, how nice they were.
	It was easily The Rock.
	Or number two would have been Kevin Hart.
	Hill was referring to the newsmaker at ESPN.
	And that's kind of, frankly, political cowardice on him.
	I don't understand how Joe Biden is divisive one, where what he's running against is pushing bigotry, xenophobia, every other phobia and ism you could possibly name.
	That is what they're literally campaigning on.
	Joe Biden is not campaigning on those same things.
	And so I don't even understand how Joe Biden got attacked for being the one who's dividing people.
	If Johnson wants to stop the division, then he shouldn't at all make it seem like he's aligned with the side that is pushing only division.
	Thoughts on this comment by Jamil Hill?
	First of all, when you were describing the comment and reading the comment without saying who said it, you knew already.
	Yeah.
	No, and by the way, I hadn't read it.
	Okay.
	Like, I hadn't even seen it.
	But you kind of.
	Again, I choose to keep certain people out of my space because I like positive people.
	She's not telling the truth, and she's way too smart to not tell the truth about something like that because this administration has been incredibly divisive from day one on pretty much every topic.
	And so, like, it's either being uneducated, ignorant, lying, I don't know what it is.
	You know, I think it's so funny that so many people now are asked the question, and then, what, because The Rock has a certain skin color, she's saying, shame on you, basically.
	So, once again, we pick and choose when we want to call out racism.
	That is racist to say, what a disappointment that you are choosing to vote for or to not support Joe Biden now, right?
	Well, you're not going to be able to do that.
	Because he's black.
	I don't even know what he is.
	Is he biracial?
	Samoan, what is that?
	Because he has brown skin, and therefore you must think a certain way.
	It is so closed-minded.
	It is so racist.
	It is so tired, yet it's so predictable.
	And that's what's sad because I know her, and she is better than that.
	She's one of the smartest people I've ever met and worked with.
	And those comments are just stupid.
	But to me, it goes well beyond that.
	I think so many people like Jamil make the choice to just keep throwing that racist word out there.
	There's too much money to be made for them to not claim racism and any other ism.
	And it just gets old.
	But that continues to do what?
	To divide this country.
	And they want it.
	And it's quite obvious because they continue to choose to do it.
	And shame on anybody for saying who you should vote for based on your skin color.
	Get the hell out of here.
	These are the people that make it worse here.
	And I can't.
	Yeah.
	And here's my thing.
	And it's always for the other side.
	What are they doing to the African-American community?
	Please let me know what the Democrats are doing that's so good that even thinking about voting for Donald Trump is like, are you crazy?
	This racist.
	No, no, what are they doing for you?
	By the way, who had the historically the lowest black unemployment numbers well enough?
	Let me take a guess.
	Donald J. Trump.
	Facts.
	Weird.
	Okay.
	And by the way, everybody loved him.
	Every single body loved him the moment he said, I'm running.
	Racist, racist, racist, racist.
	We've got some crazy data here.
	Tom, can you show us what the Wall Street Journal poll just came up with early this morning, April 11th?
	Go forward.
	Well, you know what I like?
	My phrase is words talk, numbers scream.
	And this was a Wall Street Journal poll that was done, and they compared exit polling figures at the time of the last election to current polling, and they did it by race and people's identified gender.
	Black men, Biden carried 87 to 12 in the last election.
	Right now, in a poll they did of swing states, it's 57 to 30.
	So there's been a shift among people thinking for themselves, asking, is the economy better?
	What situation, what construct was giving me an ability to make my life better?
	You look at black women, it was 93% Biden, 6% Trump.
	It's now 77-11.
	Again, this is a swing state poll.
	So this was Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona.
	That's crazy.
	And which ones, I mean, which ones of those didn't go blue in the last election?
	Correct.
	Those look at black individuals who identified as having college degrees.
	And they said night was 91 to 8 for Biden.
	It's now 71.18.
	And if you take people who are black non-college, 91.9, now it's 66.21.
	That's insane.
	So for the audience to see this, the light purple is 2020.
	The dark purple is now.
	Correct.
	What a change.
	Massive.
	Massive shift.
	So what's going on?
	But there's a narrative in the news media that would like you to believe.
	And what I think is great about this is we all vote for ourselves.
	And we ask ourselves the question that Ronald Reagan asks, and it could have been any president asking that.
	Are you better now than you were four years ago, number one?
	And number two, am I helping you?
	And people, the African-American community in their polling right now is saying no by 12 and 15 point differences versus the election coming up just shy of four years ago.
	But how much, but sage, my question to you is, like, when you hear her say something like that, you said she's one of the smartest people that you know.
	How much is it, if she's that smart, she's not dumb, she knows the numbers, is it that she really believes it in her heart or that she works for a company that she knows?
	She doesn't work for any company now, does she?
	Is she by herself?
	She's independent, I thought.
	And she's still sticking by this gun.
	Yeah, it's gotten her far.
	It's made her a lot of money.
	You know, but I just don't, I think that people choose to believe what they want to believe.
	And that can be said on the right as well.
	I mean, this isn't just, but the vast majority of people are in that center region where I actually don't care who you're voting for.
	I don't either.
	Right?
	Now, if we're going to go have dinner and hang out and have a deep conversation, like, let's talk about it.
	And it's fascinating because I want to learn from you and say, okay, I get that.
	And by the way, all of our opinions, which goes on to who we vote for, are based on what?
	Our experiences, what we have experienced.
	So let's just be respectful and kind about it and not say, oh, you're the rock and shame on you and what a sellout and all the things.
	Like just stop.
	You are making it worse.
	You are contributing to what you say white people do to you.
	Like the problem is, and one of the few people who call that out is Jason Whitlock.
	And so that's why I'm saying it's important to listen to people that even we don't like because there are very few who are unafraid to point out those hypocrisies.
	And I think that that's the only way to do it.
	It's funny, though, in person, like I was at the final floor in Phoenix.
	I had so many people coming up to me, so many black people coming up to me saying, keep going on this and I'm with you and you know, whatever, not Biden.
	Like because it comes down to what you said.
	Like, how is whoever is in command, how is he helping us and our communities?
	And unfortunately, in these blue cities, it has been going south for, I don't know, 50 years, but because what is preached is the Republicans hate you and they're racist, they've listened.
	And I think now it's to the point where they're saying, let me do my own research and be honest about it, even though it is scary to go against your family in many ways and your community.
	There is an incredible pressure in the black community to stick to Sprint.
	What you just said.
	Would there be anybody you wouldn't sit with?
	Like, you know, you said you talked to Keith Oberman.
	Would there be anybody like, I just have no interest in talking to that person?
	Yeah, no.
	There's really nobody.
	I mean, there's certainly people I'd prefer over others.
	Yeah.
	But I think that if you, if you, if you.
	So you wouldn't run away if somebody wanted to sit down and have a conversation.
	Like, I want to talk to you and I want to do a long-form podcast.
	You would entertain a postal idea.
	Of course, and I would hope that they would sit down with me.
	However, I will say this: if I'm choosing between one or the other, and there's someone that I know leads with hatred and wants to be divisive and it's just going to try to use me to get some clickbait and do a fight.
	Like, I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't, but it's just a waste of my time.
	Like, I'm 51 years old.
	I feel the need to.
	You know why I like those?
	You know why I like those?
	Here's why I like those.
	Because at the end of the day, when you sit down with somebody like that and somebody goes there, you've already won the argument, but the audience gets to see what they're saying, and you get courage and credit for agreeing to do that sit-down.
	You almost come across fearless when you do that.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And, you know, so there's something there.
	Tom, you were going to say something about this pole.
	Go ahead.
	No, it's in the middle of the dialogue there, you commented about people coming up to you in Phoenix.
	So you were seeing in whispers and people coming up to you these kind of figures coming true.
	Oh, yeah.
	In Phoenix?
	It's amazing.
	And then I get a lot of DMs.
	And it's quiet.
	It's very quiet.
	It goes right back to how it was when I was at ESPN when there were a handful of conservatives and it was like and you kind of whisper in the corner, literally, literally, or text me, you couldn't say it out loud.
	And the opposite certainly goes the opposite direction for people who thought the other way.
	But they, yes, they're coming up.
	But you know what?
	It's conversations.
	And I think people have been, have realized over the last, if nothing else, just the last eight months since I've been gone from ESPN that, you know, I'm not afraid to have a conversation.
	I'm not afraid to be attacked.
	I'm not afraid for any of it anymore.
	And there's power in that, right?
	I just, it took me so many years to find it and to realize it.
	And then once you get there and you aren't afraid of being disliked, which was a really big thing for me, you know?
	But you know what?
	Your approach, what it's doing just from listening to you right now, you're kind of doing this, which I like.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Instead of doing this.
	Yes.
	Because sometimes there's certain people that do this.
	Like even Stephen A., when he was here, and I asked him a question, I said, if your mom was alive today, okay?
	And I said, if you had a choice, who she would vote for, oh, she'd vote for conservative Trump today.
	His mom.
	So, but the fact that he's saying that and he's being straight up about it, he knows the person that impacted his life the most is his mom and is willing to give that straight up answer.
	You got to respect it.
	You're sitting here.
	You've been complimentary.
	You've given feedback to Candace and you've been complimentary and you've given feedback to Stephen, being complimentary.
	We need a little bit of this, right?
	We need a little bit of, hey, I'm willing to talk.
	It's okay.
	Feedback to both sides.
	I agree.
	This is you.
	I think this is going to be a little bit of your brand.
	And believe it or not, what that does is that opens up more people willing to come on your show than being too much of just this or this or this.
	And then others have been like, I just don't want to go talk to her.
	Now, listen, there's people who have said no already because, well, she's, you know, she's right-wing.
	I'm like, have you met me?
	Have you talked to me?
	No.
	And it's easier because there are those people who are afraid to have the conversation as well.
	I'll say this: there was one woman that we had on recently, and the show hasn't dropped yet.
	So I won't say her name, but she will.
	We're leaving.
	We leave everything in on the show, obviously, Joe Rogan, Dana White.
	Everything stays on the show.
	Nothing gets edited out, even if I wish it could.
	And that one I wanted to stay in, I swear to God.
	But this woman is a Hollywood actress, very, very, very, very liberal.
	And at the end of the show, when I was thanking her, she looked at me and she said, I got to tell you, Sage, I was nervous to come on because I did some research on you.
	And I was concerned about what questions you were going to ask me.
	And this was awesome.
	And thank you.
	Wow.
	That hit me very hard because when I met her out in the hallway, I felt it.
	I felt that chill.
	And I was like, I was like, okay, let's go.
	And sometimes it isn't even the words or the question that you ask, because it could be very political.
	It's the way you say it.
	And so to me, that's everything.
	And it was a victory for me because I know I felt her hesitation.
	I felt that she was like, who's this?
	I was like, okay, Pebblesis is saying I should do it.
	Fine.
	She has a hell of a lot more followers than me.
	She doesn't need me.
	I'm so grateful that she took a chance.
	She's brilliant.
	She took a chance.
	She could probably talk circles around me.
	And for her to admit that, that she was like, I don't know about this.
	That's my goal is to create the conversation that I wasn't afforded, that not one person at the balls took through with me to pick up the phone, to text, or to call, even friends, friends who are no longer friends, unfortunately.
	So if I acknowledge that that hurt me, then I can't live that way.
	I love it.
	That's why I love it.
	And by the way, is it fair to say that the experience backstage at the View with Barbara Walters was slightly different, right?
	It was like a what happened there?
	We hear stories.
	What happened?
	She literally, like, it was after the conversation about Obama, where she was mad at me for not saying I'm black, just like the current president at the time.
	She literally bumped into you in the back.
	No, like it was dark, and there were several people around.
	And I was standing kind of behind.
	Listen, this is Barbara Walters.
	This is her area.
	She created the show.
	I mean, I didn't love some of the things she did journalistically, but she's still Barbara Wawa, right?
	And so, you know, I'm and it's dark because it was a segment with the two other hosts.
	And she and Whoopee came in the back.
	And yeah, there's a trash can behind me.
	I'll never forget it.
	And she just looked at me and went, oh, oh, damn.
	And kind of back.
	And my makeup artist saw it and Whoopee saw it.
	And I was like, What the hell is that?
	I started laughing.
	And Whoopee came out.
	She's like, Come here.
	And she's like, Don't you let.
	And I was like, Oh, damn.
	Wherever.
	Whoopee was amazing.
	I've always loved Whoopee.
	She was always super kind to me.
	And I know she probably thinks I'm a nut dog and probably hates me.
	I don't know.
	Hopefully not.
	But like, I'll never forget that moment where it's someone that you're in the presence of someone that's a true legend and pioneer.
	And she didn't like my answer, was trying to push me to answer a certain way, just like trying to push me to vote because of my skin color.
	Like, what are you doing?
	Shut up.
	But I didn't put, and I was very respectful on the show, but for her to elbow me, and I'm like, this chick is 80-something years old.
	And I just thought.
	She was 87 when she did that.
	Oh, she was in her 80s.
	Oh, respect.
	Well, if anybody, anybody's going to elbow you, that's the person.
	And she didn't break her bone and she didn't break her own arm.
	Hold me back.
	I'm kidding.
	Right there.
	She died.
	Kind of a cool story.
	Barbara Walters died a year ago or something.
	Yeah.
	So many fun experiences on the view.
	That's for sure.
	Wow, fantastic.
	This has been great.
	Gang, I want to wrap it up.
	Again, if you got questions for Sage, she's on Manect, you can ask her.
	You can also go to the Manect with Adam, Vinny, if you can go to the next one as well.
	Rob, you got their QR codes.
	You can ask him any of these questions.
	Look at those handsome faces.
	Tom just crossed 2,000 Manex.
	Vinny just crossed 1,400.
	Tom's at 2,100.
	And I think Adam just crossed 1,500 paid Manex.
	Exciting stuff.
	And then tonight, something special is going on.
	Can you pull this up?
	Wow.
	Tell us about tonight.
	Hi, guys.
	Guys, it's going to be the Value Taint TakeOver.
	Adam's performing.
	Rob's performing.
	We have special guests.
	Maybe PBD, maybe Gabriel.
	We don't know.
	But guys, Miami Improv, the show, be there by 7:30 p.m.
	You want to go?
	Is this an invitation?
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	The ticket link.
	Rob's going to put the ticket link.
	Guys, I want to sell this place out and I want to make noise tonight.
	Please, guys, I'll see you guys there.
	It's going to be off the show.
	Listen, what can they go to?
	Register is TinyBob.com.
	Give yourself a little credit.
	Guys, Vinny is headlining at the Miami Improv.
	I am simply going to say that.
	I am simply hosting and bringing and setting the vibes for Fred Robin.
	Only Indade will be there.
	Join us at the Miami improv.
	I will be there, and I will be able to talk about that.
	That's like all of you.
	All of you, including you, sir.
	Thank you for that.
	But guys, everybody's going to be there, and I appreciate you guys more than you guys.
	I've been dying to take some classes.
	I think it's so like improv class.
	I mean, I'm already funny.
	I'm just saying, obviously.
	I'm just saying, like the improv thing.
	Like, I'm fascinated with this with you guys.
	Yeah, that's it.
	It's hard.
	Support value.
	Support PBS.
	Support Phineas.
	Rob, the ticket links in the chat.
	The ticket links in the chat.
	Pat, I love you.
	Thank you.
	Awesome.
	And last but not least, go follow to see who that next guest with Sage is going to be.
	Ooh, I can't wait.
	When does it come out?
	I'm curious.
	Well, the one from yesterday with Gina Carano and her and Sage.
	Amazing.
	The actual one.
	And the secret one, Lauren.
	The secret one's what?
	The secret one.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Two weeks.
	No, three weeks.
	I got to talk.
	We're figuring out next week.
	I think I know who next week is.
	Okay.
	I'm learning this whole world.
	By the way, so any advice, I will take it from CXE.
	What's the schedule?
	What's your regular day?
	Every Wednesday.
	Every Wednesday.
	Yes.
	Sage Steel Show, YouTube, Spotify, wherever you get podcasts.
	Sage, it's awesome having you on.
	I'm sure we will do many, many more of these.
	Thank you for having me, especially now that you are coming to the great state of Florida, South Florida.
	Finally.
	It's going to be great.
	Gang, take care, everybody.
	Have a great weekend.
	Tomorrow morning, Dame Dash drops.
	Dame Drash.
	Dame Dash.
	Dame Dash.
	We talked about a lot of different things.
	We fought, we argued, we laughed, we poked, we trolled, we talked about a lot of different things.
	We talked Diddy, we talked Jay, we talked Biggs, we talked about Aaliyah.
	I mean, it was a very interesting thing.
	We talked a lot.
	He kept bringing up Trump, but it'll drop tomorrow morning.
	Take care, everybody.
	Bye-bye.

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