Sebastian Gorka On Trump Ending The Ukraine/Russia War Within 24 Hours | PBD Podcast | Episode 272
PBD Podcast Episode 272. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Sebastian Gorka and Adam Sosnick.
0:00 - Start
4:12 - How Sebastian Gorka Escaped Communism and Reached the American Dream
8:53 - Inside The Mind of George Soros
17:51 - What Is Elon Musk's True Intention?
22:23 - Sebastian Gorka Relationship with Donald Trump
25:27 - Should The FBI Be Abolished?
42.41 - Who Will Have Trump's Back In 2024?
57:04 - Can DeSantis Defeat Trump In The 2024 Election?
1:15:58 - The Casey DeSantis Problem
1:28:59 - NAACP Says Florida Is Hostile Against Black Americans
1:34:01 - Secret Meeting Attended by World Elites to Discuss AI
1:40:32 - Will Trump End The Ukraine/Russia War Within 24 Hours?
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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Why would you bet on Joliet when we got bet David?
Value payment, giving values contagious.
This world of entrepreneurs, we can't know value to hate it.
I'd be running, homie, look what I become.
I'm the one.
So, every day.
Okay, we got another special guest today, possibly the greatest voice in the game.
I mean, you'll hear it here in a second.
Sebastian Gorka is a British-born Hungarian-American media personality, not related to George Soros, military and intelligence analyst.
That's the first time anybody's done.
That's good.
That's good.
And former government official who served in the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump as a deputy assistant to president from January 2017 till August 25th, 2017.
He's got a book out, not the one Adam talked about, but the latest one that's out here, The War for America.
So if you haven't followed him on social, his shirt game is on fire.
He wears this unique shirt.
He's a big fan of the FBI, the Fascist Bureau Intimidation.
And he's got a lot to say about it.
So having said that, it's great to have you on the podcast today.
Thanks for having me.
But when are you going to fire the guy who does the thumbnail?
Let's talk about it.
This is a series of shit.
You're a handsome dude.
And the thumbnail for you and me today, it's 40 pounds ago for me.
And you look ugly.
Who is this guy?
Listen, this guy.
Who is this guy?
Just bring him in here now.
Let's arm wrestle and I'm going to crush him.
He's not a fan.
Now.
He's not a fan of this podcast.
Does he hate America?
Maybe, maybe parts of a fan.
Maybe he should go somewhere else.
I think afterwards we should have a conversation with him.
How about we do that?
Let's talk to him.
We're trying to create jobs here.
By the way, I'm actually curious who did the thumbnail.
Can somebody text me and tell me who's the crappiest thumbnail?
Okay.
And you guys asked my team for links, headshots, bio.
Screw it.
It's over.
Screw that.
It's over.
It is over.
Okay, listen, whoever did it.
That's the t-shirt.
Text me.
We got to give him recognition.
And Rob, if you can put the thumbnail up, because it seems like Sebastian really wants to see the picture of you.
I got it.
Just put it up.
I got it.
I got it.
I'd like to see this.
Is there a way to show it or no?
Can you go back, like go back to, yeah, that's what you got to do.
Right there, zoom in a little bit.
That's a handsome-looking man right there.
That's 42 pounds ago.
42 pounds ago.
That's when I was 260, okay?
Wow.
Sebastian, you're a pretty big dude.
How tall are you?
6'3.
Yeah, I mean, Tom looks like a little elf next to you right now.
Adam.
What?
Touch it.
All right.
Sounds good.
Well, listen, let's get right into it, guys.
We got a lot of things to cover.
There's a lot of craziness going on.
We got a few topics that I want to speak to you about.
One is Casey DeSantis.
A lot of stories that's coming up about Casey DeSantis.
One is from New York Post.
I'm sure you've read him.
A few things on Biden's low rating on economy, on immigration.
Some say he has the lowest rating as a president since Adam and Eve.
It's a long time, too, to have something like that.
Longtime Democrat, former presidential candidate, makes return to politics to run RFK's campaign and oust Biden.
I want to know your thoughts on that.
Durham report, Jim Jordan urges Congress to use power of the purse against FBI.
Obviously, the other side's not doing anything about it.
We'll talk reparations, ban on Microne.
China escalates microchip clash with U.S. Maybe we can talk about what's happened with Fox after Tucker.
Sure.
We'll talk about the annual meeting attended by the world's elite.
Has AI top of the agenda.
They don't even hide it anymore.
They tell you what meeting it's about.
We'll talk about China and Taiwan.
I'm really curious to know if you do drink Bud Light.
So we'll talk about a Wall Street Journal story, how Bud Light blew it, and a few other things.
But before we get into this, if you don't mind, for the audience that may not know your background, how you got to where you are today, if you don't mind taking a minute, sharing your background, that'd be great.
Sure, it's hard to do in a minute, but my father was an anti-communist who created a secret students' organization in Hungary after the communists took over.
He was betrayed by somebody called Kim Philby, a British double agent.
He was arrested, tortured, and given a life sentence at the age of 20.
He was two years in solitary, two years down a prison coal mine, and eventually liberated by the revolutionaries in 1956.
He escaped to the West, literally across a minefield with the 17-year-old daughter of a fellow political prisoner who became his wife and my mother.
I was raised in the UK to Hungarian parents.
I spoke Hungarian as a first language.
And then after the war fell, I went to work in the new Hungarian government, the first freely elected Hungarian government after communism.
I worked in the defense industry, in the defense ministry, helping them get into NATO because I'd served in the British reserves in a military intelligence unit.
So I was helping them get back into the West.
I lived in Hungary for 15 years, met my beautiful American wife in Europe.
And then 9-11 hit, and an amazing man, a Marine who is a legend, one of the greatest men I've ever known, Nick Pratt, Colonel Nick Pratt, the former CIA paramilitary, invited me to teach on a counterterrorism program out of Garmischpart in Kirchen.
We have a U.S. base in Germany, and I was teaching a counter-terrorism course for four years to our allies and our partners.
And then woke up one morning with my wife, 2008.
We literally looked at each other in bed.
We woke up and said, time to go.
Communism screwed this country.
It's going to take another 50 years.
I applied for three jobs in the U.S., VMI, West Point, and National Defense University.
Got a job at NDU teaching counterterrorism to 05s, 06s, and One Stars.
And then I wrote a book called Defeating Jihad.
And somebody called Corey Lewandowski rang me up in the summer of 15 and said, hey, Mr. Trump would like to meet with you to get some prep for the GOP debates on national security.
I said, okay.
So I went to Trump Tower, sat down with then Mr. Trump for about 40 minutes.
Unbelievable discussion from the civil war to nuclear weapons to ISIS to you name it.
And then classic Trump moved.
There's only three of us in the room.
He looked at Corey in the corner and he said, I like this guy.
Let's hire him.
So I became, I signed an NDA like Stormy Daniels, me and Stormy.
And yeah.
And then I started writing him policy papers for the debates.
And then I ended up in the White House as his deputy, served there for seven years, seven months, felt like seven years.
And then resigned because of certain things we can discuss later.
And now I have a national radio show with Salem, America First, and a TV show on Newsmax called the Gorka Reality Check.
And I'm loving it.
I love it.
So 2008, when you woke up, you and your wife, you're like, we got to get out of here.
What was the tipping point for you?
You know what?
For me, it was one concrete thing.
So our kids were in 2008 were nine and seven.
And they spent every summer in the U.S. because of my wife's family.
So they were socialized as Americans.
I remember one day they went to the little Catholic school in the village where we lived, about half an hour outside of Budapest.
And one day I was watching the playground and I saw this sea of grey kids with their heads down and not engaging.
And I see two kids standing upright, looking people in the eye.
And I thought, wow, our kids are different.
And I realized there's a saying that is maybe apocryphal that's attributed to Janus Kadar, who was the creator of gulash communism, this softer kind of communism after Stalin died.
And apparently somebody asked him in the Politburo, why are you doing these reforms?
Why are you slightly loosening the grip on the people in communist Hungary?
And Kadar said, allegedly, I find it much easier to bend the spine slowly over time than to try and break it suddenly.
So this form of, you know, watered down communism had so seeped into the blood that in 2008, I could still see it in the kids, the 10-year-olds and the nine-year-olds.
And I said, I've done my, I've done 15 years.
I'm in the land of my forefathers.
I have done 15 years.
I've investigated the prime minister for being a secret police officer.
I've had death threats on my family.
I want to live in a country that I respect.
And I'd been working with the U.S. military for about four years.
And I said, I love these guys.
I want to work for them in America and become an American.
So that's why.
So last night, the Lakers are playing the Denver Nuggets, and they were swept.
And after halftime, it's about 10.30 or something like that, I said, I'm going to watch the Soros documentary because I had nothing better to do.
And so it was a...
I thought you'd be having cigars.
I was wondering which cigar bar I could find.
We can take you there right after this.
So we're sitting there and I'm watching the documentary.
This is the 2019 one.
I don't know if you've seen it or not.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
If you want to pull it up, this is the one that came out in 2019.
Okay.
If you've not seen it, I think it's worth watching.
Now, here's a part.
When I watched it, the documentary starts off saying, you know, everything about him, how people in Hungary see him as the devil and all this other stuff.
And he is this and he is that.
And we don't want him here and we don't want him there.
And, you know, all these other countries he can't go into.
I think he can't go into the Czech Republic.
I think it was Poland.
I think it was Slovenia and one other country that he couldn't go into.
And then the documentary ends, selling him as this savior and how I became.
It's a very interesting documentary.
I think you being from where you are, you ought to watch it.
So I'm very interested in this guy because his legacy is not going to go away.
His son is going to take over and his son is going to do things and but his son is not his father.
His son is not smart.
He's not like his dad.
The legacy is not billions of dollars.
He's come out the 38-year-old.
He's not like his dad.
No.
But this is the question I got for you.
As a man that's from there and you live there, how do they view George Soros?
Because in this country, in America, the left, this is their God.
This is their guy.
This is the guy behind closed doors that's making all the decisions, giving money to an open society organization, all these things.
Right.
ESG D EICI.
But how does Hungary view him and how do you view him?
You know, the average plumber probably doesn't have any idea.
The administration, I worked for Orban in the 1990s.
We can discuss him separately.
Orban has very effectively communicated in the media that this guy is anti-West.
He's bad.
He's bad for Hungary.
So if you've heard of him, you think he's a bad guy.
In Hungary.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, you know, kicking out the central universe from top down?
Is it from top-down?
No, no, I think the massive people are like who?
right but but if you live in the big cities if you follow politics right uh if you're not you know they've destroyed orban has very effectively just destroyed the left in in hungary there's There isn't really much of an opposition left.
He had a two-thirds majority of the parliament.
He managed to change the constitution, bring back Christianity and all kinds of great things.
So the majority of people, if they know of him, if they know of him, know that he's a bad guy.
Because Orbán has been very good in his, let's just say, information operations.
Got it.
But why is he a bad guy?
Why?
Because he hates what the West is.
I mean, he took Karl Popper's concept of open society when he studied under Popper in the UK and he completely perverted it into, I will decide what is good.
I will pick, you know, it's like, you know, Gnosticism, right?
The heresy.
We have the secret knowledge.
It's a little bit like the bad version of Straussian politics.
A very small coterie of individuals know what is good for everyone, and we will decide, and we will pick.
I mean, it's like the 70 prosecutors in America.
What has he done here?
He doesn't have to win presidential elections.
Where's the real power in America?
It's local.
It's when you can put a million dollars into Alvin Bragg's race in New York.
A man who campaigned on, I'm going to put Donald Trump in prison.
That's power.
When you put dozens and dozens of your prosecutors who are radicals who hate America into power to put criminals back on the streets, to say, you know, we need equity, not equality.
That moment from what was it, the Bill Maher interview with Bernie Sanders.
Bernie.
I don't know the difference.
What's the difference?
So tell me.
I mean, what?
You're Bernie Saunders.
You don't know the difference, Bernie?
Well, guess what?
George Soros knows the difference, and he is building equity by destroying people in America.
Why, though?
Why?
Why does he want to do that?
So what I wanted to get into this, guys, to see what...
Well, look, have you seen the interview that they deep-sixed of him on CBS or ABC when they asked him about what you did during the war?
I think that's a lot of that is why.
I mean, you've got to understand, this is a Jewish kid.
Can you find this?
I mean, if you if you find it in 10 minutes, I'm going to be impressed.
Okay.
He's asked on camera about what he did during World War II in Hungary as a 15-year-old and how he worked with the Nazis to collect the wealth of the Jews, of his fellow Jews, to collect the wealth before they were sent to the labor camps and the death camps.
And the interviewer says, Do you feel any remorse for this?
And he actually laughs.
The guy laughs.
I saw that.
Six million people killed?
And you're part of the initial phase of rounding them up by collecting their wealth before they get put on the cattle carts.
And you laugh?
Dude, if you're trying to deal with that, if your conscience is eating you up for the last 60 years, that you helped the Nazis and you're a Jew, there's all kinds of things you can say.
Is this the one you're talking about?
It looks like it, yeah.
All right.
You get an Oliva from me.
Nicely done.
My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Yes.
Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
That's right.
Yes.
I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years.
Was it difficult?
Not at all.
Not at all.
Maybe as a child, you don't really see the connection, but it created no problem at all.
No feeling of guilt.
No.
You're better than the guy Joe Rogan uses.
You're quicker.
You're quicker.
So, so.
I mean, that.
Could you imagine doing that?
As a, what, you're a Syrian Christian?
A Syrian Christian.
Imagine you're helping a 14-year-old persecute the Assyrian Christians.
Yeah, so I'm really trying to figure out his motive, though.
Like, what is the motive there?
As a globalist, I get it.
So.
Look, I can't get inside his head.
I do not want to go to that Dantean sixth circle of hell.
But what's the motive for the left today?
We were discussing this before we went live.
Forget party politics.
Forget RD.
I realized this a long time ago.
This nation is separated by one question.
Do you love America or is America the problem?
It's that simple.
Is America bad or is it great?
He and everybody else who works with him at the Open Society Foundation or works for Alvin Bragg believes America is the problem.
And also they have white guilt.
Even if you're not Jewish, you have white guilt.
How does BLM start getting five different mansions for its founder, if not white guilt?
The problem in America is racism.
You know what the problem?
It is racism, but who are the racists?
The white liberals.
Those are the people who are the problem in America because they hate themselves and they hate this country.
If you think America is the problem, it explains everything.
Open borders, right?
It explains why we're doing deals with Iran.
It explains everything.
It is hatred of America that is the key question.
Do you love it or do you hate it?
What's the antonym of George Soros?
We don't have one.
You discussed this yesterday.
I want to know from you because you're in this world.
Yeah, well, we had Sheldon Adelson, who passed last year.
This is the big problem on the right, is that we have people with money who spend it on garbage.
I mean, seriously, another full-page ad in the Washington Times.
That's not going to, that's not going to move the needle anywhere.
We have not been playing the culture war.
We haven't fought.
Look at what is being done in the mainstream media.
Oh, the only guy who could be is Elon.
But he's not a conservative.
I was on an hour and a half Twitter spaces with him and I got to ask him a question and I listened to him.
This is the first big Twitter space he did.
We had like 90,000 people on it.
And he was on his jet.
I remember that.
The whole sound of the battle.
Oh, it was weird.
And, you know, if you haven't listened to it, guys, listen to the Twitter space hosted by Mario Nafal, where we talk about the Twitter drops and where I tell him, where's the smoking gun, Elon?
This isn't, you know, oh, the Democrats in D.C. worked with the Democrats in Palo Alto.
This is news.
And I said, where's the smoking gun?
Anyway, the thing about Elon Musk is, if you listen to that 90 minutes, he is like a kid who found a new toy.
It's like Christmas Day, and you open the box, and I've got a new toy.
What's the toy?
The toy's politics.
I guarantee you this guy hasn't had a political thought for the last 40 years.
And then up comes censorship.
Up comes open border.
Up comes everything else.
And he goes, huh, what's this Hunter Biden laptop thing?
Why can't I retweet the New York Post story about it before the election?
He's found politics and he's playing with it.
He doesn't know what he is.
He doesn't know whether he's a libertarian or a conservative.
He just knows people are attacking America that has given him fortune beyond belief and are attacking the First Amendment and he doesn't like it.
He could be, he could be the George Soros for the good guys.
But he's also got some ties to China that are problematic, business ties, whatever.
But, you know, my metric when people say to me, you know, he's just another one of the elitists.
He's pissed off all the right people in the last year.
The enemies he has made are all the right enemies.
From the Washington Post to CNN to the Democrats to AOC.
If you're pissing off those people who hate America, you're probably a good guy.
Yeah.
You know, there's a, it's funny you're saying that 40 years he's not, you know, he just kind of got a hold of this.
But knowing his style of a student and curious he is, I can only imagine how obsessed and immersed he is with wanting to know everything, learn everything about the space, if that's the case, if you're saying that's the case.
And if he becomes a true believer, that's a pretty heavy weight of a truth.
Do you have any thoughts on the guy on the person he just hired as CEO?
Do you have any thoughts on it?
I'm curious.
I saw all this stuff about her being, you know, she's a leftist World Economic Forum executive director.
Look at the interview she did with him.
It's all work.
I watched the interview.
It was, it wasn't bad.
And you know, it's fascinating.
My engineer on my radio show, he sent me a clip of the Financial Times where it's two unnamed sources, senior executives in advertising, said, Yeah, if I had to class her, I'd say Linda's probably a Reagan Republican.
And then I go to fight, is this woman on Twitter?
And I go on Twitter.
She's following me, Patrick.
Now, if you're following me.
Watching your movies.
You know, you have to be, I mean, having me on your show, you got balls.
So God bless you for having me on your show, right?
Because as far as the left is concerned, I am, you know, the devil incarnate.
You know, Trump's, what did the Telegraph call me?
Trump's pit bull, right?
When I was in the White House.
If she's fine.
I don't have a lot of big ad executives following me on Twitter.
I mean, I've got a million plus followers, but big, big ad executives, I think she's probably the only one.
Now, that's interesting.
And my producer, who has the best political, his marrowbone, he can sniff out a fake person instantly.
He said, yeah, you know why he hired her?
Because the biggest problem at Twitter now, and you've seen it on your feed, are the crap ads.
I mean, he's been hammered.
Since he took her over, they have been targeting him.
The left has, to get rid of his advertisers.
He needs to make that platform profitable.
He wants to turn it into the Amazon plus Facebook plus YouTube of the future.
The super app.
The app.
He says, I want this app, the app.
You only need one app to shop and watch your videos and do social.
This is the app.
Now, you can't do that without money, without it being profitable.
He's just hired a professional and he can fire her whenever he wants.
This is a woman who's there to bring in ad revenue.
And I'm not worried about this woman.
Not at all.
Yeah, I mean, I've been following to see what she's saying, how she communicates, what she's doing.
I DM'd her.
She hasn't DM'd me back.
So I'm waiting for a response.
I'm sure she's got 50,000 DMs.
No one else.
Yeah, but she follows me.
Come on.
Does that kind of pump it up?
Like if it's follow to follow, so it kind of shows it.
Yeah, she'll eventually get back to you.
Does it show how long she's been following you?
I don't know.
I don't know about it.
That's a good question.
Maybe back back.
Maybe it was something you said at a particular moment that inspired her to follow her.
If you're in the advertising industry, you don't follow MAGA people.
That's, you know, because somebody can see that.
Maybe that's why he hired her because she has the ability to have certain ideology, but also play ball with certain people on the left.
And money talks, baby.
Let's talk about MAGA people.
Let's talk about your experience working with President Trump and how that was and how you think he's doing right now with all the polls, what's out there.
What's your experience been with him?
That's what everybody wants to know.
It doesn't matter where I am in the country, what the topic is they've asked me to speak on, sooner or later in the QA.
The question is, what's he really like?
And the fact is, if you've been a lie for the last 40 years, if you've watched television, if you've seen President Trump, the nice thing about him, and I live in DC and it's full of snakes and Janice-faced liars, what you see is what you get.
When it's just the two of you in the Oval Office, it's exactly the same as if he's in front of 60,000 people in a stadium.
Exactly the same.
And let me tell you a story about that first meeting in Trump Tower in the summer of 15.
You've got to understand, I grew up in the UK.
So snip off an upper lip, debating club, all very proper, blah, blah, blah.
And I walk into this kid from Queen's office and the Donald's a little bit different.
He's not exactly from, you know, private school in West London, like I was.
So it got a little bit of getting used to.
But within three minutes of talking to this guy, I realized one thing.
He hates political correctness and he loves America.
And I said, you want me to work for you?
Fine.
You hate political correctness?
Number one.
Number two, you love America.
You think about, you know, I was there when he announced in Mar-a-Lago for the second time.
And of course, I was there to, you know, cover it for my show and to, you know, support him.
But I'm listening to it and I'm standing there.
And it blew my mind because what has he been put through for the last six years?
Have you home raided by armed FBI agents?
Have your wife attacked?
Have your son attacked?
Being called an anti-Semitic white supremacist when your daughter converted to Judaism and your grandkids are Jewish.
And you're prepared to step into the arena again.
I salute that.
I salute that.
So a great American.
Bottom line.
Whether you like his tweets or not.
And when people say the tweets, seriously, six million illegal immigrants, and you're going to talk to me about tweets?
I mean, grow up.
Will he tweet before the FIBA?
Well, this is the question.
I don't know the answer.
Will he tweet?
That's the big question.
There's a lot of questions.
That's probably the most important one.
Yeah.
I don't know because of Truth Social.
I don't know what deal he's got with the investors at Truth Social, whether he can't.
We'll see.
He's got a year and a half.
Does he follow you?
Using Instagram.
He's using Facebook.
He's using everything but Twitter.
Right.
Does he follow you on Twitter, Sebastian?
He only follows like 16, 17 people.
I figured you'd be in that list.
I don't know.
Well, I haven't checked.
Okay, so let's go through Durham Report.
Yeah, let's talk about that.
So a few things.
Obviously, there's a lot to it.
I'll read the story and I'll just pretty much tee you up and you can go from there with your background.
So let me go here.
So Jim Jordan urges Congress to use power of the purse against FBI.
This is a Washington examiner story.
To hold the FBI accountable following the release of the Durham Report, Jordan argues that appropriations can be leveraged to pressure the FBI into reform, stating we got to limit how they spend the money, maybe even limit them.
Jordan has been vocal about FBI misconduct, including alleged targeting of anti-abortion groups and conservative activists.
He calls for further investigations and discussions with individuals mentioned in the Durham Report, stating, are there people that were highlighted in the Durham investigation and the Durham Report that we need to talk to on the Judiciary Committee?
We're going to give that a good hard look.
Some Republicans have even suggested defending Gorbalas and the FBI.
Yesterday, I think a few FBI whistleblowers came out.
The mainstream media didn't give it a second of airtime at all.
They did not talk about it.
So tell us what's going on.
Why is mainstream media not talking about it?
With everything that's being shared, isn't this enough credibility for them to want to look at this?
And if not, why are they not?
Because the FBI works for them.
The FBI works for the left, works for the Democrats, and works for the media, which is part of the left.
It's very simple.
So the Durham report is 307 pages.
It's long.
Most Americans are never going to read it.
So I tweeted this out at the weekend.
And, you know, I've got a lot of followers, but I very rarely get 366,000 views on a tweet in a couple of days.
And here it is.
It's just the cliff notes.
Haven't read the Durham report?
Okay, here are the cliff notes.
The FBI and CIA knew Hillary was about to frame candidate Trump.
Repeat, the FBI and the CIA knew Hillary was about to frame Trump.
Number two, Comey, head of CIA, said FBI, and Brennan, head of CIA, briefed Obama and Biden on her plot on the summer of 2016.
Before the election, Biden, as vice president and Obama were briefed by the CIA and the FBI that Hillary's going to do this smear job, she's going to lie about Russian collusion.
We've got the deets.
Biggest conclusion, there was never any evidence of Russian collusion.
None, zero, zip.
You know, Mueller investigation.
Impeachment one, impeachment two, no evidence of Russia collusion.
Nevertheless, the U.S. government illegally spied on the Trump campaign and us in the Trump White House.
Pfizer warrants, Flynn, Carter Page, Manafort, Papadopoulos, on and on and on.
And lastly, my conclusion: this isn't the cliff notes, the deep state is real, but Durham didn't have the balls to arrest any of its leaders or their masters, Hillary, Obama, or Biden.
40 years ago, the FBI was the enemy of the left, right?
The greatest patriotism is dissent.
We hate the man.
We hate the G-Man.
Today, and this is tough for me to even say, because before I joined the White House, my wife and I had the only external contract to provide training on ISIS and al-Qaeda to the FBI.
I was doing 20,000 miles a month, going from field office to RA to the headquarters to Quantico, briefing the FBI, training the agents.
I trained thousands of agents and SOS support staff and intelligence analysts.
If the FBI knocked on my door tonight, I'd say, screw you, talk to my attorneys.
If you've lost me, I mean, if you've lost Dan Bongino, if you've lost me, if you've lost, you know, hardcore MAGA, it is irredeemable.
There's no way to salvage this entity.
This entity must be dismantled because we have a political police force in America and it's called the FBI.
And it's not just about President Trump or Paul Manaford or Steve Bannon.
It's about Catholic preachers in Philly having their home raided by armed FBI agents.
It's about January 6ers who didn't even enter the building and get charged with a felony.
That's political police.
I'm sorry.
But how did that happen, though?
If at one point they were the anti-left, when did they become the anti-right?
So I just did an interview with a guy who had 21 years in Michael Van Meader.
He's an FBI guy, supervisory special agent.
It's on my America First Rumble feed if you want to watch it.
And he said, this happened right after Louis Freed.
When Louis Fried came in, you started to see lawyers being brought into the leading positions on the seventh floor in the Hoover building, not agents.
And then after 9-11, Mueller was told, remember, this is a pivotal moment in FBI history.
Bush, after 9-11, told Muller, the then FBI director, your job is to prevent the next 9-11.
Hang on a second.
We're cops.
Cops don't prevent crime.
Cops arrest and investigate crimes.
Now the FBI is meant to prevent them, which means it becomes an intelligence service, not a law enforcement agency.
If you don't believe me, the URL, the address for FBI employees ends with .ic.
It's fbi.gov.ic.
Why?
Intelligence community.
They are now a spy agency.
But they're spying on who?
Americans.
That's the problem.
Mueller, starts with Free to a certain extent.
Mueller and then Comey turn it into an intelligence agency with a political prerogative.
Think about the fact.
We just had this drop yesterday.
The FISA court issued, well, it took a year to get it, a report in which there were 270,000 Pfizer warrants that were illegal.
Not Pfizer warrants, Pfizer surveillance requests.
Over a million Americans?
A quarter of a million Americans?
What are we talking about?
White supremacy is the biggest threat to America.
This is what the president said at a college a week ago.
This is insanity.
I used to give lectures on the FBI to new agents and military officers and say, you know what's really weird about America?
America is the only developed nation in the world that doesn't have an internal security service.
There's no MI6.
There's no Bundesfer Faschen Schutz like there is in Germany in America.
We don't have political security because of the nature of the country and how we were born.
I don't give that lecture anymore because we have a political police force and it's the FBI and it cannot be redeemed.
When you've got Dan Bongino, former Secret Service guy, say it's got to be taken down.
When you've got people like Steve Gray, 23 years in the FBI, say on my show, nope, irredeemable.
Carl Serafin, whistleblower, irredeemable.
Give its three main missions to other agencies.
It doesn't matter who you change at the top, who you put into the seventh floor of the Hoover building.
This agency is irredeemable.
Look, you've served.
You're a specialist, right?
I know that you or I, if you're in the Philly field office and the assistant supervisory special agent says, hey, we've got this warrant.
There's this guy, Mark Hauck.
And he pushed this abortion protester at a Planned Parenthood Clinic who was screaming at his 12-year-old son.
And they charged him with a misdemeanor.
But the local court dismissed it.
They said, you're protecting your kid.
This guy's a loony.
We're not going to charge you.
But we're going to go in there anyway.
Put on your ceramic plated vest, get your M4, load it.
We're going to raid his home.
What would you do, Patrick?
I know what I'd do.
I'd say, here's my badge.
Here's my creds.
I'm not your stinking Gestapo.
I resign.
How many are doing that?
Well, 20 of them did it for Mark Hauck's house.
So here's why I don't buy the Hannity thing.
Oh, it's just the bad apples on the top floor.
Bullshit.
It's not the bad apples.
If you don't have, you've got tens of thousands of agents and intelligence analysts and support staff.
If you're not striking, if you're not outside the building picketing saying, we are not your Gestapo, sorry, you're one of the bad guys.
We've got less than 20 whistleblowers out of tens of thousands of people at the FBI headquarters and across the nation.
Less than 20 whistleblowers.
And you know what's really freaky?
Nobody from DOJ.
The people who give the orders, not one whistleblower.
Why do you think?
Because it's that.
When I was in the White House, I realized very early on, all of government is corrupt.
When Obama sick the IRS on Tea Party Patriots, it's all corrupt.
The worst, the DOJ.
The DOJ is literally a wing of the Democrat Party.
It's just a political tool.
Cast your question regarding the FBI.
And I hear what you're saying.
I mean, you make some very valid points, especially with the news of the Durham report.
I want to just go back in time a little bit because Pat's saying, how did this happen?
This is purely speculation, opinion.
We all remember in 2016, I think eight days before the election, it was James Comey who went up on stage and potentially, as they say, cost Hillary the election.
He basically said at the time, Hillary's emails, Hillary's emails, him was sloppy as hell.
He didn't charge her with anything, but basically said it was careless to an extent.
And then obviously Trump won the election.
How much do you think that we also remember when Comey was still the FBI director?
He was in that room, basically hiding behind the drapes.
He's 6'8.
He's trying to blend in.
Do you remember that?
It was like, all right, we see you, Jim's.
You're 6'8, buddy.
But how much do you think it's almost like a mea culpa, basically on the FBI's behalf, basically saying, yes, we are the ones essentially responsible for Trump, whether you agree with that or not, that they're basically reversing course and saying, all right, we cost Hillary the election, so let's see what we, it's politization of the FBI for sure, or the weapon.
But going back in time to Pat's question, how did this all happen?
This is just something that comes to mind for me.
Look, that press conference is infamous.
I mean, you've got to watch it again.
It's 13 minutes long, and for 12 and a half minutes, Comey lists every crime she committed.
18 TSSCI secret emails topped and telled, put onto a private server.
That means somebody goes into a skiff, goes into a secure facility with a thumb drive, which is illegal if you're a U.S. employee, or with a camera, which is illegal, to photographs classified emails, takes them out, downloads them, and then sends them on an unsecured server to Hillary's email system, which is in her bathroom, right?
If I did that once, if you did that once when you're a specialist, you're in the brig and you ain't coming out.
You're going in there for 20 years, okay?
Because the Espionage Act is clear.
Intent is irrelevant.
It's one of the few parts of the U.S. Code where intent is whether you're a spy or whether you're a moron like Aldrich Ames and you leave your briefcase of classified stuff on the subway and metro on the metro by accident.
Doesn't matter.
It's classified information.
You go away.
She did it 18 times in just that press conference.
And the last 90 seconds he said, which he's not allowed to do.
He's the director of the FBI.
He's not the freaking AG.
He says, but no reasonable prosecutor or judge would bring charges against this woman.
I had a buddy working in the Chelsea JTTF, the Joint Tourism Task Force in New York.
He said, there were people in the, this is an FBI unit that is interagency.
When they heard Comey say that, they got up.
It was a Tuesday, I think, a Tuesday.
They got up from their desks, put on their jackets, left the building, and didn't come back till Monday.
They were so disgusted by what he did, which wasn't helping Trump.
He exonerated her.
He exonerated her.
And he has no right to do that.
No reasonable person would bring charges.
Excuse me?
You're not even allowed to say that.
You're the FBI director.
You're not a prosecutor.
You're not a judge.
And you exonerate.
Why?
Because she's a friend of yours?
Because you want to stay in that position?
He was trying to save her.
He wasn't destroying her.
Now, it didn't work out too well, but his motivation was to save her ass.
Why do you think Trump kept him on as FBI director?
It's ironic for a guy who's 14 season long TV show whose motto was, you're fired.
Right, exactly.
Between you and me and your viewers, he hates firing people.
That's why he does it on Twitter so much.
It just really does.
You're saying the guy who is most known for people that are fired does not enjoy firing people.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
Sebastian, I don't know if I'm buying that one.
You don't have to.
Talk to people who worked in the White House like me and ask him.
He really doesn't like doing that.
I don't know why he didn't do it earlier.
That guy should have been...
Well, he should have used his namesake and his catchphrase day one with Comey, don't you think?
Yeah, he should have.
He should have, and with many other people.
Look, you have to understand one thing about President Trump.
And I love as an immigrant having to remind my fellow Americans who are born here.
Do you know what you did in 2016?
Americans did something really funky in 2016.
Because from George Washington to Obama, there's a connection.
Every single president in America, every single president is a member of the political elite.
Every single one.
Former senators, congressmen, governors, or retired generals.
Every single one.
Along comes a real estate mogul from New York with a reality TV show who's never run for anything.
I mean, even Reagan couldn't win first time.
This guy runs the first time and he wins.
64 million Americans, as my buddy Bongino says, you know, double barrel middle finger to the political elite.
Elects somebody who's never served as county dog catcher, let alone the president.
How does he know how DC works?
He's not a politician.
How does he know what Comey's really like if Comey, you know, brown noses him?
This is why round two is going to be different.
If we do our part and we get him re-elected, dude, it's going to be very different.
Very different.
I said this in an interview with PBS, and they stole it and they didn't run the interview, but they used my line as the title for the documentary with Bannon and everybody else.
People need to understand when we walked into that building, I walked into that building January 21st, the day after the inauguration.
It was a Saturday, but I was on the clock.
I'm a deputy.
I'm going into work.
When we walked into that building, there were less than 20, less than 20 people in senior positions like me, who were MAGA America First and understood why 64 million Americans said, yeah, we don't want a politician.
We had to fill 4,000 positions, presidential positions, 4,000 and run a government of more than 2 million people.
Now, God bless Steve Bannon.
But he actually said in an interview for Rolling Stone or Vogue or some stupid publication, he actually used this word.
Two weeks into the administration, we didn't have enough bodies.
So Reinz and I made a, quote, drug deal with the RNC to fill the positions.
I think that explains what happened for the next four years.
When you bring in bushies, when you bring in rhinos, when you just have people with a pulse but who hate them.
I was a deputy assistant to the president.
Now, I didn't know what that meant, okay?
Because I'd worked in the military and DOD.
It outranks a four-star general.
I didn't realize that until I rolled up to DIA for a lecture on China.
And they treated me like, you know, the second coming.
The two stars are coming out to greet me and take me to the VIP, blah, blah, blah.
You're a deputy.
There's only 42 of us in government, 42 deputy assistants to the president.
Six months into my term, I realized there's another dap in the building, another deputy assistant, my rank, who detests the president, who utterly hates Trump and everything he stands for, which is weird because being a deputy assistant to the president, you're not shanghaid.
You're not given the queen shilling with a gun put to your head.
You will be an outranking four-star civilian.
No, you actually volunteered to do it.
But you're in the, what, to get a check mark on your resume, you're going to come into a building and work for a guy who you can't stand.
That's not going to happen again.
So how do you think this time will be different?
Knowing what you know now, if you had people insulated in the administration that basically hated Trump, which is insane to me.
We had people like General Kelly.
I mean, think about it.
General Kelly was the chief of staff.
That is one of the most powerful people in the world.
And I love them.
Marine Corps is my favorite service.
I spent two and a half years teaching at Quantico.
I love the Marines.
And it pains me to say he was a subversive.
He should be in prison right now.
I mean, think of this.
Corey Lewandowski, good buds with the president.
Never worked in the administration, but he'd come in all the time to talk to the president.
And he'd never tell Kelly.
Kelly would get irate.
He'd get pissed.
And I can tell you this because Corey said this in a Fox interview.
One day he was coming out of the oval.
Kelly saw Corey, grabbed Corey, and flung him against the wall so hard he ripped the button off his jacket.
General Kelly did that to Corey Lundowski.
He said, you don't effing come in my building without my permission.
He was chief of staff at the time?
My building?
Nobody freaking elected you to nothing.
Oh yeah, you're a big, you know, Marine retire.
Nobody elected.
My building?
That cannot happen again.
What are we going to do about it?
There's only two jobs I'd be prepared to do in the next administration, and one of them is personnel.
There's another person who's already been given the nod, and he's a friend of mine.
And if he gets it, we've had a discussion.
I'll help you in whatever way you need.
Reagan said it best.
Policy is personnel.
Personnel is policy.
It doesn't matter what your issue is.
I'm a big Second Amendment guy.
But whether it's sanctity of life, whether it's the border, whether it's economy, it doesn't matter what your issue is.
If you don't get personnel right, you're not going to get anything done.
Rule number one.
If we win, if we do our part, we have to have a filter system that only allows people who love America into the building.
End of story.
So it's not about Trump.
It's not about Republicans, people who love America.
Who would those names be?
Meaning, you know, the last, because the criticism is some of the older guys don't want to come back.
You know, this person's not coming back, daughter's not coming back.
Nobody wants a job back.
Everybody's kind of hesitating.
Who would be the part of the new team?
Yeah.
So this is, I'm working on an article that's exactly those for my substack, you know, the names of the cabinet and who should come in.
This is a challenge.
My friend has the morning show in DC, Chris Plant, great radio host.
And he said, one of the greatest successes of the left in the last 20 years is to guarantee that good men and women will never work in a Republican conservative administration.
And he's right.
Why would you?
Why would you be a Justice Kavanaugh even?
Why would you risk having loonies come to your house with zip ties and a gun to kill you and your children?
I thought I was used to it.
But then when I came into the administration, they came after my wife.
They came after my son.
There was one journalist who wrote 52 hit pieces on me in two months, one of which was about my 18-year-old son and used the word traitor in the headline about my high school age son.
Why would you do that?
So it's going to be a challenge.
What I said to Mike Flynn at the beginning, the National Security Advisor, I said, because we inherited a National Security Council, there's 420 people.
It was insane.
Obama created this massive, massive NSC.
And I said, Mike, get rid of them all, send them back to their agencies, because most of them come from state or CIA or DOD, and put some good people at the top of each one as senior directors.
And then let's fill it with people from the campaign.
Let's bring in people who work their ass off to get President Trump elected, who don't know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
But give me six months and I will train them.
I will be there.
They will be there till 10 o'clock at night.
They will learn the rudiments of national security and at least they'll be loyal to the will of 64 million Americans.
And, you know, a week later, Mike was fired.
So you want to bring in greenies or do you want to bring in some big names?
Well, I think we've got a year and a half.
No, we've got a year and a half to find Cadre and to convince people.
We've got to have the top line locked in.
We've got to have the cabinet members.
We've got to have the senior directors.
We've got to have the DASDs, the assistant secretaries all locked in.
But it can't be people.
I don't want to get too much into it and tell me if I'm talking too much.
All the big appointments used to go through our office, through Bannon's office.
So we'd get these spreadsheets every week of people who want to come into the administration.
There was one spreadsheet we received, and this is unclassified, of people who are applying to the top jobs in the DOD, like Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense.
And I looked at the spreadsheet before I gave it to Bannon and I said, where are we getting these names?
Because there's a column on the right-hand side referred by four of the people on this spreadsheet had been referred by Michelle Flournoy.
Michelle Flournoy was Obama's, you know, top Pentagon official.
People actually coming into the Trump administration are putting Michelle Flournoy.
I mean, just put, you know, Podesta, just put Axelrod.
Why don't you?
That can't happen again.
That cannot happen again.
Yeah, it's going to be, you know, that part is going to be interesting to watch who's part of the cabinet, who's part of the team, because some people, the criticism of first term was the fact that the training of the swamp didn't happen.
And I wonder, is a part of it where, you know, you know how in fights or, you know, a game, you lose the game and, you know, the opponent hug each other or even in UFC, hey, man, this was a great fight.
You know, you're really great.
You really brought it.
And I got to give some respect to him.
You know, this fight wouldn't be this way.
And you become friends.
Is it almost there's a side of you when you go into this space that is filled with, you know, backstabbing, dirty, and you're like, you know what?
I think they're going to be noble.
So let me have a meeting with Romney the next day.
You know, let me bring these other guys in.
And then you're like, let's make this work.
Maybe I can change them.
Maybe if they really see how good I am, we can really unify this group.
And then you make the mistake of keeping the commies, keeping everybody in.
No, They're not who you think they are.
This is not capitalism.
This is not business.
This is not corporate.
These guys are darker and dirtier than you think.
Stay strong and bring true believers in.
Is that the evolution that he had to go through with his first term?
Yeah.
And also, he's in a territory that he's never been in before.
I'm a geopolitics guy.
I'm a broadcaster.
Don't ask me to play your concert piano.
You will have a very bad concert.
Or who won the Celtics heat game.
Nuggets or whatever it was, right?
No clue.
Is that a cricket match?
Cricket or ugly.
So he's in a completely new environment.
But to your point, two things.
Let's talk about the left and let's talk about our side.
On our side, the establishment really thinks he's a joke.
He's an anomaly.
That the American people just chose the wrong person by accident.
They really think, I mean, Chris Christie's going to announce.
Chris Jabba the Hutt's going to announce.
Does he really think that anybody in America is going to vote for him?
I mean, Asa Hutchinson?
Asa Hutchinson.
You could literally be a diplodocus from prehistoric times and you're running for the presidency?
The establishment thinks that Donald Trump is a blip.
It's an accident.
We're going to get back to normal and footsie under the table with the Democrats and the sweet deals with China and we'll be fine.
He's just an accident.
It's perverse.
Get back to normal.
So you can't deal with those guys because they think you're a freak.
And the other side, let me give you an example.
I was thrown in day three of the administration, right?
Because we dropped the travel ban.
And it was not well communicated.
And I could see that it wasn't being well communicated.
So I texted Bannon on a Friday night.
I said, Steve, you know, we've got to explain this better.
Like, this isn't anti-Muslim.
This is based upon a threat assessment that Obama left us of the seven nations that cannot tell us who the people are who are coming across the border.
This is their threat assessment.
We're just initiating it.
And Bannon, typical Bannon, doesn't sleep.
3 a.m.
He texts me back.
He says, tell SPICER now to use you.
Now, I didn't go into the administration to do media.
I went there to do behind the scenes national security.
So Spicer, Bannon says, use me.
So I am literally dropped into the pit of hell the Saturday morning, Sunday, Friday, doing all the CNN.
I mean, this is the fun stuff that people keep talking to me about.
When I destroyed Cuomo, when I was on with MSNBC and I was an effective communicator.
After I was effectively communicating all this stuff with the president, Senator Durbin wrote a letter to the Secretary of Homeland Security to investigate my naturalization and to have me kicked out of the country.
Dick Durbin from Illinois?
Yeah.
This isn't a political difference.
This is when the other side thinks, I can destroy you.
You must have lied on your immigration papers.
You must be deported because you're an effective communicator for the president, right?
This isn't politics.
This isn't, you know, Tip O'Neill having a beer with Ron Reagan Friday night.
The left wants to destroy us.
Every week they got together.
Every week.
Once upon a time, there was a time in this country where Tip and Gip would get together and have lunch in Rose Garden, and there was a certain nobility of it where they were.
Let me ask you a question.
But let me just add to that.
Think about what Brennan has said.
Brennan, still has his security clearances.
He's a former CIA director.
On national cable television, he said the incumbent president is a trader who works for Russia.
Excuse me.
I mean, politics has been dirty for a long time.
But to say the guy in the White House actually works for the Kremlin, that's not politics.
That's evil.
You've got a good playbook on the people you're talking about here.
But right now, when you get into all these presidential candidates and people coming in, you've got to read on this because I've always observed it and seen as it's one of two things.
I want a cabinet position or I want the VP slot.
And these are the B candidates that are running and saying, well, I'm going to deliver bundled donations and my support.
You know, once I bow out, which will be 11 minutes after South Carolina.
Remember, it used to be New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, something of those before the calendar got effed with, right?
And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to do here, I'm going to whisper that, okay, hey, listen, I've got $6.5 million in a war chest.
I'm going to back you up.
How about commerce?
And they're like, okay, I respectfully bow out after South Carolina and I say, please get behind this candidate.
And there's almost this, what you are is your proxy campaigners.
How much of that is going on right now?
And who do you think is legitimately serious that actually thinks, delusional or not, that they can make it?
And who is out there that are really just self-nominating and auditioning as part of this meat grinder process?
Yeah, this may shock you.
I don't hang out a lot with politicians because I don't like them.
But you have a playbook.
I have a playbook.
You have a mental playbook and you have eyes to see and ears to hear.
So what do you think?
Here are the dynamics.
Let me just expand upon your analysis a little bit.
So yes, number one, this kind of aggregating of funds and then passing over to the other guy and hopefully you'll get a kickback and you'll become a member of the cabinet.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
More important is the ego.
And this is what's happening with Ron.
People are whispering into Ron's ear every single day, you're the guy.
You're the guy.
Yeah, you can really do it.
You're the guy.
So the grifter class, the strategists who get paid whether they win or lose, and mostly they lose on our side, are saying, yeah, I'll be your campaign manager.
Let me be your bundler, boy, man.
You can do it, Ron.
You're the man.
So the grifter class, let me interrupt you real quick.
The grifter class, because a lot of people who are listening may not understand that.
There are political consultants and other people that during the campaign will make millions of dollars for themselves and companies.
And millions and millions of dollars.
And so they don't care.
Whether they win or lose.
That's correct.
You go into the arena, you get stabbed and torn up by a lion.
Right.
Doesn't matter.
Check cash.
Here's my invoice.
So there's these guys.
When it comes to the field right now, I really think Ron believes that he can win, which is amazing.
He's 40 points down and he thinks he can win.
And I like him.
I'll preface it.
I like him.
Vivek.
I think Vivek.
Vivek is a little bit like the Elon Musk.
I got a new toy.
It's politics.
It's fun.
And he wants to save America.
I think he's a son of immigrants.
Yeah, he's a son of immigrants.
He loves America.
Vivek, of all the people, I'd like to see Vivek in the Trump administration to have the Jared role.
He should be the innovator, economic growth, all of that stuff.
He should be doing all that stuff for the president.
Yeah, a true believer in America.
But I also think, having interviewed him on my show, he really thinks he can be president.
It's fine.
It's fine.
But in the to go back to your saying, being insulated with people who are all about the MAGA agenda, do you think Vivek Ramaswamy is really on that same page as Trump?
Because he's been pretty critical of Trump, don't you think?
No, it depends what you mean on the page with.
In terms of loving America and believing America is great, 100%.
Does he agree with everything President Trump says?
Why would he?
But if he's going to have the Jared role, doesn't he have to?
But doesn't he have to be?
But look at Cap.
No, Cap, you know, team of Ryan.
I know what you're saying.
I don't think so.
You don't think what?
I agree.
I don't think he does because this is a form of Sean's strength.
It's like Barnes being recruited by Kobe.
It's like Ron Artes.
You're not disrespecting, but I'm not afraid of you.
That is a good sign to want to have somebody like that part of your team.
It's how Kamala got her job, although her job was a little bit more disrespectful.
He doesn't like yes, man.
President Trump does not like yes, man.
So let's stay on this.
You talk about Ron.
Okay, who's in his ear?
Okay.
Last weekend, we were at, not last weekend, whatever, last Thursday or something, we spent a few hours with him at the governor's mansion.
Just ourselves, 10, 15 other people were invited to kind of watch how he is and what he says and the approach and all this other stuff.
And I've been very critical of the governor.
I think he's done a phenomenal job for the state, but I think his marketing team absolutely sucks and they need to be fired and found a new person.
And some people think that could be a relative, but I think the marketing team needs help.
So now, that's a different story.
Yeah.
One, I'll start off by just asking you an open-ended question about him as a candidate on who's in his ear.
Is he making the right job running today?
Should he not be running?
Should he be running?
And what's the best case or the worst case scenario here at the end of this election 2024 for specifically Governor Ron DeSantis?
So somebody sent me a load of bumper stickers that are in my green room at my studio that say 2024, Trump DeSantis.
I said that for months, for months.
Trump DeSantis.
If he's smart politically, if he's a strategic thinker, which I don't think he is, he comes in as Veep a member of the cabinet, whatever, and then he slides seamlessly into the top slot for 2028.
That's not happening now.
Number one, this weird thing that he hasn't declared, dude, you changed the constitution of Florida so you can run as an incumbent governor.
What the hell are you waiting for?
And then after the brag announcement and the indictment, he's toast.
Oh, two things.
The flip-flop on Ukraine and then the brag indictment.
This guy is not ready for prime time.
What he did on that press conference the Monday after the indictment leaked was despicable as a former former JAG in the Navy to say, I'm not going to get involved in these things.
Dude, he's a resident of Florida.
You are involved whether you like it or not.
And not once, but twice to make the, I don't know about huge money for porn stars.
You're a child.
We saw the real Ron DeSantis on that Monday presser.
You said that not once, but twice of a president who actually made you governor.
Let's be clear.
He was like 12 points behind the other guy in the primary.
President Trump taps him and he's number one.
And why is he popular?
It's like, you know, everybody loves Austin Powers.
What is Ron DeSantis?
He's the mini-me to President Trump.
I'm sorry.
Sorry?
What he's doing in here is Trumpian, whether it's taking on the transgender, the DEI, open for business.
I mean, this is a little version of President Trump in Florida.
And then you flip-flop on Ukraine, not ready for prime time.
Sorry.
Do you think it's leadership?
Do you think it's policy?
Do you think it's marketing?
His character.
Tell me what you mean by its character.
His character.
He doesn't have it.
I can't explain it better.
Saturday night, it leaks that the man who campaigned on I Will Put Trump in prison, who got a million dollars from George Soros, and then becomes the DA in Manhattan, that man is going to charge President Trump with 34 total garbage, out-of-date misdemeanors magically turned into felonies.
And on Monday, you have a press conference about something, and the reporter says, what's your reaction to the news of the indictment of the 45th president?
Well, I don't know about harsh money for porn stars.
And let me repeat that again.
And I'm going to concentrate on Florida, so I'm not going to talk about this.
You're a former military prosecutor.
You're a former Jag.
You don't have opinion on this?
That the 45th president after the Mar-a-Lago raid is now facing the Manhattan DA.
Oh, and by the way, he's a resident of the state you're governor of, and he helped make you governor.
You're a child, Ron.
You're a child.
You're like in high school.
You're like in the click.
I don't like him.
She's ugly.
It's like, come on, grow up.
So which part of his character do you think failed him there?
You've got integrity, personal loyalty.
What part of the character?
Honor.
Honor.
It's a lack of honor.
It's a lack of honor.
So self-interested pride leads him to a lack of honor?
Churlish, childish attitude to questions of honor.
I mean, sorry.
I don't care who you are.
You shouldn't have to be a former prosecutor.
But to say that what has happened against this man is not political persecution, you're not a good person to say that.
This man's home was raided.
His wife's wardrobes were turned over by armed agents of the federal government, despite the fact that his home is protected by the Secret Service.
And you have nothing to say about that?
Nothing to say about that.
That's a lack of honor.
Well, he's expected to declare this week.
Well, it was supposed to be yesterday.
I mean, how many times have we heard, next Monday, Ron's declaring?
What's he waiting for?
Fair enough, but this is supposed to be the week.
And for all intents and purposes, I'm very confident he is going to be declaring any day now.
Okay.
So pass his pass.
Pass, pass.
Pass his pro-law.
I get it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
But he's going to do it.
I respect your opinion here, but he's going to do it.
And Casey DeSantis is very closely aligned with helping him run this.
Do you not like his chances whatsoever?
We see that Republican megadonors are basically now running his direction.
He's basically...
Well, not just Republican megadonors.
I mean, this is the stuff that people really need to wake up to and get red-pilled.
Ken Griffin.
Citadel Capitol?
Obama bundler is funding him.
Can we just repeat that sentence for everybody who missed it?
Obama bundler, billionaire, Ken Griffin, is funding Ron DeSantis.
You also see people like Peter Thiel, potentially even Elon Musk.
But think about this.
Why is an Obama bundler?
Obama bundler?
Even being allowed to give him a dollar?
This is creepy.
This is weird, right?
Why would he not be allowed to give DeSantis money?
Well, is he MAGA?
Or is he deep state Obama buddy?
I'll take whoever's money.
Is he America first?
Isn't Senator Capitol based in Illinois?
So potentially there's a relationship there.
He's the senator of Illinois.
Obama was?
I go back to my primary statement here.
America is divided by those who love America and those who hate it.
This guy hates America.
Who hates America?
Ken Griffin?
Yeah, totally.
And Ken Griffin, who's made billions of dollars, hates America?
You know, George Soros is rich, right?
And I hate it.
Yeah, we're not saying that.
Being rich doesn't mean you love America.
I hear you, but you're saying that Ken Griffin is George Soros?
If you're bundling for the man who rode on the, I will fundamentally transform America.
Yeah.
If you're a former bundler for the guy who said, I hate America so much, I'm going to change it until you can't recognize it, whose wife on Inauguration Day says, this is the first time in my life I'm proud of America.
Yeah.
Who said that?
Michelle.
Michelle Obama.
Phil Obama.
Yeah.
It's a problem.
These are the things that you have to pick up on.
You can't smooth these over.
I'm trying to unpack everything you just said.
So number one, the question was asked of Giuliani of him running as a VP.
Apparently he cannot because they're both residents of the state of Florida.
So apparently you can't.
Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani.
Regarding DeSantis.
Regarding DeSantis running with Trump.
Apparently he can't because they're both residents of the state.
One of them has to move out.
That's the part.
One of them has to move out.
Of course, if they decided that one can go to New York, and that's not going to be hard to do.
So that's one.
Number two, in regards to his comments right after what happened at Mar-a-Lago, can I think about it from a competitive standpoint, a moment of personal interest knowing the guy that's in the way of your lifelong dream becoming a reality just got indicted and they went to his place and this is pretty much a short shot for you to become a president and you're excited about it.
So let me just capitalize on this.
Yes.
Does that show a quality of selfishness that the guy that helped you get there, now you're not defending him?
Okay, fair.
That's a very fair assessment of what you're saying.
You know, what happens next with his announcement, him delaying it?
I don't understand that part.
It's a shit show to me.
You come out with your book four months ago.
When you come out with a book, that book is only a book written for election to run for office.
Nobody wrote, the timing, the playbook has always been the same.
Write the book, launch it, go out there talking about it so people can read your book and say, okay, this is what this guy is running on.
Fine.
I like him.
I don't like him.
I didn't know that this was cool.
And by the way, I actually think it's a great book.
I think you missed the mark with the book.
I read the book.
I thought he edified Trump multiple, multiple times in the book.
This would have been a very good opportunity.
But maybe somebody said it's not that big of a book.
Just do a couple different things here and there and then go out.
Then you lose a Megan Kelly who doesn't like a Trump that calls you out for not agreeing to go on her show and talk to other people like us that is going to move your book.
You don't want to do that?
Okay, that's not a good look.
Now, on the flip side, for you saying what you said about his mishaps, the people that are not Trump people could say, are you kidding me?
Do you want me to talk about the 15 mishaps with what the president said and what he did in his past and this and this and that?
That's going to be their argument.
So I think that kind of cancels each other out.
The question then becomes, okay, so I asked this question of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, okay?
They're here, and I said, I said, you guys sound like a spokesperson for DeSantis.
That's what you sound like, because they were both very much good guys, but they're both not necessarily siding with Trump.
They're siding more with DeSantis.
Great.
But here's the question that I asked.
It was kind of interesting, by the way, because you know where I'm going to go with this, what they said.
And I asked this from Tulsi, your thoughts here.
How much power does the right person giving you money and endorsing you have in a presidential election?
How much power influence does that have?
I thank the good Lord.
I've never been in the room where a donor or a rep of a donor has said to somebody I know, you know, we did give you a million bucks last year.
What are you going to do for us?
Now, that's how DC works, right?
The lobbying functions on that basis, right?
So Pfizer gives you X, and then the guy help from Pfizer helps you write the legislation that goes to the Senate aid office, and then that gets chewed around and put into the legislation.
So that's politics.
No doubt about that.
No, you're spot on with that.
Of course not.
I mean, that's why lobbying exists.
Yeah, but this is where I'm going with that.
I'm asking, like, okay, the endorsement, the power of me being Schwartzmann, saying, I got DeSantis.
We're going with DeSantis.
Citadel, we're going with DeSantis.
Thiel, going with DeSantis.
By the way, Schwartzmann is not 100% confirmed because they came out.
So nobody fully knows yet.
I think we'll find out next three to six months.
But let's say a Musk comes out and says, I don't think we should have a president above the age of 69.
Okay, seven years old.
Rogan, hey, you know, DeSantis more than Trump, right?
Some of these guys.
How much influence today with the social media, you're seeing Trump being on Milk Boys and, you know, 10 million views.
And that's a younger audience that you're appealing to that.
You're going to places like that.
How much influence do the right endorsements have in a presidential election?
Like if Musk said, I'm Team DeSantis 100%, and let's just say he gave, I don't know, let's pick a number, $50 million, $100 million, okay, to a pack, and I'm going DeSantis or I'm going Trump, how much influence does a person like that have?
If I could answer that, I would not be sitting here.
I would be, you know, flying my helicopter around tropical islands with my kids.
You know, that is the question.
Is that a desire?
We can get you a helicopter if that's a good thing.
I love helicopters.
Let's do that.
Can we scale up?
Fast.
Tropical.
We're going to do that.
Done.
There are several Bahamas 30 minutes away.
We could fire them.
Let's do it.
How much is an endorsement worth it?
I watched all of your Tulsi interview, and I think she said the right answer depends upon who's doing the endorsing.
Let's say Musk.
And who the candidate is.
Let's say Musk and Trump or DeSantis.
So here's my response.
I think 2024 is going to be a lot like Carter versus Reagan, because it's going to boil down to one question.
This is what Reagan asked the American people.
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
It's not about anybody else.
Richard Barris is the only pollster I trust in America.
Rich was on my show last week and he said, the only question, it's not about DeSantis.
It's not about anybody else.
It's not about Kamala.
It's about Biden versus Trump.
That's the next election.
That's the only question.
That's the only question people have in their mind.
Do you think Trump should debate the other guys on the Republican side?
You know what?
One of the things I'm very grateful to President Trump for, apart from hiring me, is, do you remember how fun politics was?
He made politics fun again.
Those primaries were awesome.
I mean, I would love to see 30 people on the primary debate stage.
It's like, you know, WWF.
Let's do it.
Bring it.
Everybody.
And you think he would welcome that?
Yeah, he loves that stuff.
That's the part I agree with because a lot of people are saying the fact that Trump's not going to do the debates and all that.
I think he's looking forward to it because for him, you ever seen him being roasted?
You know, what is that when they do the roast and Snoop gets up there and all these guys are roasting him?
Yeah, the company sends him.
Yeah, yeah.
And he just sits there and he takes it.
You know, most people are not brave enough to be roasted.
I actually think he is a roaster and I think a natural roaster.
I think he can't wait to roast all these guys on the right with the debate.
But going back to the question, going back to the question, you still haven't answered it.
No, because I don't think I'm.
It's just your opinion.
I'm not looking for a factual statement.
I would be super excited if Elon said, yeah, Trump's the guy.
But I don't think it really makes a difference.
I don't think people walk in to the ballot box and say, yeah, I'm voting for wrong.
But I agree.
But I don't disagree.
But here's the question.
I don't disagree if anybody endorses Trump.
Meaning the Trump vote, no one cares if you endorse him.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
But what matters is to DeSantis.
Oh, DeSantis.
So if a Musk says, I'm DeSantis and here's 50, 100 million bucks, how big of an endorsement is that for Trump?
I'll give you my answer.
Please.
It's irrelevant.
You think so?
It's irrelevant.
Why is that?
Because politics has become, since Brexit, Trump, Modi, Orban, and Maloney, politics has been boiled down to one thing and one thing alone, authenticity.
It doesn't matter money.
Do you know how much money Hillary spent against us?
We spent $800,000, $800 million.
Legally, what we know of legally, she spent $1.4 billion.
Are you calling Biden the most authentic president of all time?
No, I'm saying they stole the election.
Right, that's another thing that...
Sorry, YouTube.
There were issues with that election.
Yeah, I think, by the way, just so you know, you saying that, he said that at the town hall, and it sounds like that's going to be one of the talking points over the next 17 months.
Well, when people say, get over it, don't talk about it.
It's like, that's what the left wants you to say.
Do you understand?
They want you not to talk about elections.
I think the approach for me, Sebastian, would be the following.
Let me tell you what's one of my biggest concerns when it comes down to election, specific to election.
I think election fraud has been going on for a long time.
And I think election fraud is something that they've gotten better and better and better at.
But I also think election fraud, we can figure out a way to make it as close to politics.
It's an electronic thing.
Yes.
I love it.
What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is the following.
If he campaigns on that, I'm all for it.
I'm going to be saying it off the top of my lungs.
If it's, hey, what if we can do the following?
We have blockchain technology.
We have this, we have that.
Do you remember that one time he got up and he showed the PowerPoint with the pictures that was being shown on a regular conversation he was getting?
We showing bullet points.
Here's what we're going to do with COVID.
And then went to the next slide and the next slide and the next slide.
What if they got up and he showed technology and says, look, here's what's available today for elections.
Due to blockchain technology, this is what we can do to make sure all of your votes count.
And quite frankly, some of you guys have a busy schedule.
To the people on the left that don't have the time to go vote, guess what?
No problem.
To the people that are in the military that are overseas, no problem.
Here's what blockchain technology will do.
And we have three different options of companies to use.
If I get elected, what we're going to do is we're going to make this thing so easy and clear and honest that everybody knows you count.
Your vote's going to get elected.
We can see it.
You can go look at it.
I think that is a campaign message that's going to get people to say, I want honest and fair voting.
I'm for it.
Rather than pulling the Hillary Clinton one of, well, let me tell you, you know, Russia said this.
Yeah, I just don't think that's attractive.
To people that are capitalist and dependent doers, I raise my kids to not be helpless.
I raise my kids to be, we're going to go beat these guys no matter what.
If they're doing this, get tougher, get stronger, get bigger.
But if we expose them from this standpoint, then the left has to argue what?
How unfair and racist it is to get people that don't have IDs.
But wait a minute, I need an ID to buy this.
So then they're going to lose that argument.
That's all I'm saying.
No, I like it.
And it's very Trumpian to say we're going to fix it.
And here's technology.
That is a problem.
There's a problem, though.
It's not his job, right?
The U.S. Constitution is clear.
The states run elections.
He can say, the states should use blockchain and the state house should buy this.
But the president has no power to do that.
But you know what he can say?
Can say the states that decide to use blockchain, we're going to give XYZ to contribute and support with the technology, and we're going to do this.
Totally, I think that can be said.
I like it.
To me, that is similar messaging on what you're saying.
So, hey, if you think there was fraud, here's what we can do.
Here's a way to solve it.
Boom.
So, okay, so let's go back to Casey DeSantis.
I'm going to read a story too.
I just want to get your thoughts on this, if you have any opinions on it at all.
So, papa, what page is it on?
There it is.
Okay.
So, Casey and Ron DeSantis, okay?
The greatest asset and his greatest liability.
This is a political article that's written.
Let me go to page eight.
All right, here we go.
The Casey DeSantis problem: his greatest asset and his greatest liability.
Political May 19.
Casey DeSantis, wife of Ron DeSantis, significant figure in his political career and often seen as his greatest asset.
She's charismatic, telegenic, and has a policy portfolio of her own.
By the way, she's a beast in smaller settings.
I couldn't even believe how powerful she was.
Unlike Ron.
Unbelievable how she was in a smaller setting.
However, some view Casey as both an important advisor and a political liability.
She's heavily involved in decision-making, leading to a small inner circle around Ron.
Suggests she is hesitant to cede power and can be vindictive, leading to conflict with staff and strategic mistakes.
Now, again, this could be a hit piece.
They're going after her.
The truth, who knows?
The role of Casey DeSantis is a matter of concern and debate for many, with some believing she humanizes and enhances Ron's image, while others worry about her influence and the need for a more professional team around him.
What are your thoughts about Casey?
Well, first things first, I'm kind of, I saw the rundown in the green room, and I saw this article was in there.
I was a little bit uncomfortable because I think wives are, you know, they're out of bounds.
They came after my wife.
She was a presidential appointee in the DHS, but she wasn't a public figure.
When they came after her, the Daily Beast, all these scumbags that have that's the easiest way to piss me off.
If you're not a public figure, they're sacred.
Your partner, your spouse is sacred.
And the only interaction I've had with her, and I want to put this on the record because I haven't talked about it anywhere else, is when I found out about her cancer about a year ago on my show, we got like three and a half million listeners, and I'm, you know, I'm a Catholic, I believe.
I said, Would you just take a moment, dear friends, and just say a prayer for Casey and for the DeSantis family?
And I did it because, you know, I saw the news and I thought, let's, you know, use this power of prayer.
About a month later, I get a letter from the Office of the First Lady of Florida, and it's her thanking me.
I've never received anything.
I mean, apart from the president sending me stuff, which is fine, he's my old boss.
I've never received something from a public figure of that ill to thank me for something.
She said, a total respect.
Right.
Out of respect.
So I'm not going to qualify her politically.
I will say one thing.
He does need somebody to humanize him because he is not.
You know, you've met him, right?
The guy is not warm and fuzzy.
I mean, he knows how to slam down the media and it's beautiful to watch.
But he's not a people person.
He's not a people person.
So I appreciate that.
And my feeling about her is the same way.
However, I have a big however view.
I'll be the bad guy here.
You can be the nice guy.
So, and I haven't heard anything bad about her.
Where was that piece?
This is political.
Oh, but it's but it's also coming from a few others as well.
I mean, it's not just that that's talking about them.
Insider said a few things, which doesn't say much about insider.
But here's the part: for me, I come from a different angle.
You ever seen a movie Air, the recent movie with You're Not a Basketball Guy?
So, this movie, the story of Michael Jordan, how Nike landed him, et cetera, et cetera.
There's a scene with Sonny Vaccario that's preparing Michael Jordan for the fall to say, listen, yes, you're going to win championships.
Yes, you're going to win MVP.
Yes, you're going to do all this stuff.
Great, but guess what?
They're going to come after you.
And for me, there's different types of wives, meaning Ivania, am I saying Melania is the kind of a wife, first lady to me that's kind of like, listen, I support you.
I'll go do the shaking hands, all this stuff, but I'm not going to be Michelle Obama.
It's you.
Make sense?
Like, this is your job.
I got Barron as my job.
And I'm going to be this, but do not get me involved.
And guess what?
I view President Donald Trump saying, you're totally fine, babe.
Do what you got to do.
I got this.
That's kind of how I view that.
For me, Barack, if you bring Michelle in and Michelle's also throwing punches, you got to be, if we get into a fight, let's just say me and my wife, a woman comes and a husband and wife are fighting us.
If he's swinging, and if my wife swings her at her, she swings back, I'm not going to be surprised.
That's what her job is.
Let's just say.
But if my wife is like, listen, let's step aside.
Let's have our husbands kind of do their thing.
That's what I see.
But Casey is also a fighter.
But is she doing that fighting publicly like Michelle?
I don't think no.
No, no, I don't see her as Michelle at all.
I don't see her as Michelle, but I think she's part of the campaign, the whole thing.
Casey and Ron DeSantis have such a close partnership, they've morphed into a singular entity, people call the DeSantai, right?
Not the DeSantis political.
There's a part of this that if you play to this card, I do believe they have to be ready that people are going to come after her because she is one of the people.
Oh, no, they have to be ready.
They have to be ready.
They have to be ready.
So I just want to make sure it's not going to be like, hey, it's unfair what they're doing.
No.
Expect the darkest of the ways to approach you.
And to me, if the approach is kind of like it's unfair what they're doing, it's got to be more totally get it.
If we're choosing to have the highest job in office in America, this comes with the territory.
We're totally okay with that.
That to me is a little bit more of a, you know, respect.
But I got to tell you, I've been in a lot of small group settings and I've seen a lot of wives that are super power, couple power.
She is very, very solid.
And what I mean by solid, charisma, charm, likability, incredible communicator, smart, intelligent, true believer, mannerisms, respecting husband, edifying him, getting out of the way, not the shadow, doesn't need the limelight, doesn't even take the shots that Michelle would take at Obama.
I don't know if you know what shots I'm talking about.
Sometimes she kind of undermines him.
Zero.
All of that, she's a dime in the way of a first lady.
So I think that is going to be a big part for him.
You made a comment to her when you said you kind of got to be out there more.
I don't know how much of a role she's going to be playing.
I think if she does play a role, she's a very strong strength of his if it's used.
We're going to see what's going to happen.
I'll just add one thing.
When we did have a brief conversation, I told her to her face, I said, I was very impressed with how you handled yourself.
And she was almost like, you think so?
You think I should talk this much?
I was like, keep doing what you're doing.
It was very, very impressive.
Super impressive.
Maybe she should be out there more.
I think so.
And by the way, I 1 million% think so.
Again, I have no clue who is their marketing manager.
Oh, my God.
His influences on Twitter.
I know these guys.
These were friends of mine.
They are just so unprofessional.
It's shocking.
Well, he's about to join the big leagues right now.
What?
Try.
Right.
Well, correct.
He's going to be announcing.
And I think I'm sort of half joking, but I'm actually being honest.
I think he needs to hire like the queer eye for the straight guys makeover team and realize we are now going against, whether you like him or not.
Maybe Dylan.
One of the great marketers.
Can you imagine?
Ron DeSantis announces his marketing manager, Dyla Mulvaney.
For him to become the most relevant person on the street.
Zero chance of that.
Or the Bud Lights VP of marketing.
She could be somebody, right?
But he is going against, whether you like him or not, one of the most brilliant marketers ever with Donald Trump.
Totally.
And whether it's, he can do the policy thing all day long.
That's not going to move the needle.
He needs the goat, though.
He needs to learn the marketing strategy.
He's the goat of marketing.
There's nobody better.
There's nobody better.
He's the goat of marketing.
We still talk about those nicknames.
We still talk about Lil Marco.
We still talk about, you know, Crooked Hillary.
We still talk about them.
Seven years later.
He is the ultimate.
Ted Cruz is lying to the role.
Ted Cruz's wife is still very ugly in the face.
By the way, Epstein, are you following the story with Gates at all?
I am.
I'm like not interested.
I mean, this whole Gates is like a nerd with too much money, and maybe he ran around with girls that were too young.
It's like, seriously, I want to see the list.
I want to see the list.
I don't care about it.
I want to see the John's list.
Okay, so here's the question.
Do you think that is, I asked this question on Twitter the other day if you want to pull this up.
I did a poll and I said, which of these four things would you want the 2024 candidate to talk about?
I don't know if you saw this or not.
The four issues, and then I assume.
I saw your thing about Biden economy versus Trump economy.
That was, as a sexist, I like that.
That was good.
As a sexist.
Credit goes to our guy from Raul.
Anyways, put this up there, zoom in a little bit.
Wow.
Okay, exactly.
So which issues matter to you the most in 2020?
And I said, post any other issues below.
That's interesting.
Investigate the, it's 20,000 votes.
Investigate the Wuhan lab lowest.
But Ukraine is big.
Ukraine.
And, and by the way, that's a big part of his play.
39% border immigration, 33%.
Nobody can do what he does in the middle.
No, because when he says it'll end in 24 hours, it will agree.
And nobody else.
Nobody can.
I totally agree.
But the Epstein list, do you think that is something that people are interested in?
Do you think that's enough of a list for somebody to campaign behind or not really?
I think these are your followers, right?
These are your listeners, right?
These are people who are interested.
I don't think that is.
Look, you have to understand everybody in this room is a freak, right?
Because we're into politics.
Most Americans are not into politics.
They want to make the car payment at the end of the month and make sure the kid is a new pair of sneakers for the new semester, right?
Epstein, for most Americans, like, who, what?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
It's important because we need to know who went to that island.
We need to know.
I don't think it's a campaign issue.
It's going to be the board.
Look, who said it?
It's the economy, stupid.
It's going to be the economy and the border.
And those two things are.
James Carville.
Yeah, right.
Clinton.
Right.
Clinton, Bush.
Yeah, but the Russia thing is fascinating.
38.8%.
Interesting.
It's not even, I mean, it's not even a close thing with the top two.
No, no.
And people, how quickly they're over COVID.
I am shell-shocked that Investigate Wuhan Lab is not higher.
Well, how about the possible?
And assume our audience, like assume even, I thought our audience would have been higher than 7.6%.
But even our audience is saying, nah, listen, man, I'm over it.
We got bigger things to do.
It just shows two years later, boom, done with that.
Let's go.
America moves on.
How quickly America moves on.
At this pace, we're going to be wearing Kanye West year's shoes.
What?
A year from now, with the riders.
It's coming soon, guys.
2024.
President Trump's going to walk up to it.
Maybe DeSantis will.
To speak to that, if we're looking forward, not backwards, doesn't that give sort of testimony to stop doing the election denial thing because people are over it?
Isn't that a case right there?
I think partially.
But I'm telling you, for me, I made a video 11 years ago, 10 years ago, on how I would change voting.
I'm going to text it to you for you to watch.
It's not a private video.
It's not a public video.
How to change the voting system, right?
To me, I don't like our system on the way we vote.
I don't trust it.
I'm not comfortable with it.
I don't even like the way it's set up for the structure of it.
So I think that is something I would be talking about if I'm campaigning, but I'm not.
I'm just the guy that's running businesses.
Completely different ballgame we're playing here.
Have you seen Killchain?
Killchain?
The documentary?
I have not.
You need to watch Killchain.
Killchain was made by the Democrats before the 2016 election, and it's got Senator Warren and all these people.
And it is an hour and a half on how you can hack our elections and how the biggest threat to America is hacked elections.
You can't find it.
It's very hard to find now.
Watch Killchain.
Killchain, they go to eBay, they buy a Dominion computer, they take it to a cyber hacking conference.
Within 30 minutes, the machine is hacked.
I mean, you're allowed to talk about it until a certain point when you're not allowed to talk about it.
But what you said earlier is correct.
They've been doing this for 60 years.
Think about it.
We're in America, the only nation on the planet that put men on the moon six times.
And we make jokes about Philadelphia, Chicago, and Baltimore stealing elections.
We make jokes about it.
You don't need high-tech to do this if you've been doing it for 60 years.
But it is a problem that needs to be fixed.
The idea that India can have voter ID, India, more than a billion people.
Mexico, with a civil war, with an insurgency, with the cartels, has voter ID, and we don't.
That's insane.
By the way, what you just did right there, I would have somebody on his team create a 10-slide PowerPoint the next time he's speaking.
And you know how he goes through a speech and just show this.
Did you know India has voter ID?
Did you know?
Because American people are going to say, wait, Mexico is more advanced than us.
India's more advanced.
How come we don't have this?
We should have this as well.
That's what gets people thinking.
Now, next story I want to get into is about what NAACP just announced.
I don't know if you saw that or not.
The travel ban?
Yes, hate-inspired leadership.
NAACP joins other groups and warning against travel to Florida.
This is a Miami Herald story from yesterday.
The oldest civil group, civil rights group in the U.S., has issued a travel advisory urging travelers to reconsider visiting Florida due to the state's openly hostile leadership, significantly, specifically citing Governor Ron DeSantis' attempts to ban books about race and LGBTQ identities and his opposition to diversity and inclusion programs in colleges.
NAACP, Derek Johnson, president, argues that the refusal to teach an accurate representation of the challenges faced by African Americans is a disservice to students and a neglect of duty.
Other civil rights organizations such as LULAC and Equality Florida have also issued travel warnings for Florida, citing concerns over DeSantis' crackdown on immigration and the potential risks to health, safety, and freedom.
However, tourism in Florida remains strong with record numbers of visitors and local leaders emphasized their city's commitment to diversity inclusion.
By the way, I wouldn't even be surprised if the NAACP isn't staying at Miami for summertime.
Oh, they don't know.
Jesse Waters did a thing on his show last night.
Their chairwoman just posted from Twitter her holiday, her vacation in Florida.
The NAACP.
Exactly.
See, these are politically motivated.
No, this is a political boycott that has no teeth whatsoever.
Budweiser is down by some estimates 28% thanks to the Bud Light boycott, which has been very effective and very welcomed by cores and competitors on one hand.
On the other hand, you look at the diversity in Florida, you look at diversity at the beaches.
Someone didn't get the memo that you were supposed to boycott and maybe go to some other place.
Well, how about Chicago?
Well, why don't we boycott Chicago?
22 people shot last weekend, and I can guarantee you that most of those are black Americans.
So why aren't we boycotting Chicago or Baltimore?
The average weekend on Chicago is 10 people killed and 50 shot.
The average weekend.
But the NAACP, straight Bat Lives Matter, doesn't care about the people being killed in Chicago.
It's just hypocrisy.
Yeah, I don't think this travel ban is doing anything or this travel warning is doing anything to mitigate people from traveling to Florida.
Whether it's the panhandle, whether they're going to Disney World in Orlando, whether they're coming to South Beach in Miami, people are coming.
Nobody's like, you know, that vacation we've been working on for the last two months for the summer?
Let's go.
Yeah, there's the NAACP made this warning about they're like, dude, we're going to party.
Stop it.
Yeah.
You say that, but I literally had a guest that's scheduled for your podcast that sent an email yesterday.
Hey, bro, I want to confirm it's safe for me and my family to travel there still.
I'm seeing this over the internet and news.
I'm coming with my girlfriend and our two sons.
Is it safe or should we reschedule it?
And then they included an Instagram post to the NAACP.
Don't say the name.
Can you text me to name who it is, by the way?
Yes.
Can you text me?
And meanwhile, show the meme I just sent you.
Guy sent me this.
I thought it was something very interesting to think about.
Tulsi's text them right now.
But can you post this real quick?
Which makes you think.
And by the way, whether you like this meme or not, there is a lot of truth behind this meme.
Here's what the meme is, Tom.
I don't know if you've seen this one.
Take a look at this, Adam.
What's Tulsi texting?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
White Asylum.
White victim, nobody cares.
Black Asyland, Black Victim, nobody cares.
Black Asylent, White Victim, nobody cares.
White asylum, black victim, people lose their minds.
There's your news, there's your mainstream media narrative.
That's the narrative that they will support.
That's Neely.
That's the filter for the stories, right?
Yeah, no, but this is what makes you.
And by the way, didn't they just have 25,000 Haitians had an event here, happy doing an event in Florida, right?
You look at the crime on what's going on.
You look at how many people are moving here to Florida.
Statistically, that argument loses a lot of weight when they say you got to be careful moving to Florida.
I love it how people can say things like that, but data argues completely the other way than you do.
This is what happened with Newsome.
Newsome talked about how terrible Florida is.
More people, the more he talks shit about Florida, the more people from California wanted to move to Florida.
And it's not slowing down.
And by the way, this is due to a great governor, a guy named Ron DeSantis.
Thanks to Donald Trump.
Yeah.
Okay, freaking Newsome.
Newsome, the green governor with half a barrel of oil in his hair.
Hey, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about this other story here.
I'm trying to see which one to go through.
Let's go through this one here.
Page 15.
A meeting.
I don't know if you were invited to this meeting or not.
Your accent says yes, but your value says no.
A secretive annual meeting attended by the world's elite has AI top of the agenda.
CNBC story.
Open AI CEO Sam Altman joins tech leaders and political heavyweights at the selective annual Bilderberg meeting in Lisbon, Portugal.
They're public about it now.
It's no longer private.
Builders.
Yeah.
The meeting's agenda places a strong emphasis on artificial intelligence and includes a discussion on topics such as the banking system, China energy transition, Europe fiscal challenges, India industrial policy and trade, NATO-Russia transitional threats, Ukraine, and U.S. leadership.
The three-day event attended by approximately 130 participants from 23 different countries maintains which prevented disclosure of speakers identities and affiliations.
The clandestine nature of the meeting has given rise to conspiracy theories.
But organizers state that it facilitates open and unrestricted discussions.
The Bilderberg meeting, established in 1954, aims to promote dialogue between Europe and North America to at least participate as individuals rather than in official capacity.
When a meeting like this happened, what do you think about this?
Is there anything behind it?
Is it the conspiracy theories?
Do they have anything right about this?
Or is it just guys coming together to talk about the future threats?
Look, I love conspiracy theories.
I'm actually launching a new TV show that's expressly about them, but I like them as entertainment.
There's a reason they're called theories and not conspiracy facts.
Is this news that rich people who are powerful hang out with each other and think they can run the world?
No.
I mean, go back to Bretton Woods.
Go back in time to any elite that has power, that has money.
They think that they can shape the future.
The Rothschilds, Bohemian Grove, San Francisco.
On and on and on, on and on.
Medici.
Yeah, this isn't new.
Back to Machiavelli, the Prince, you name it.
When it comes to AI, you know, I'm not a wonk, okay?
I'm not a geek.
I just don't buy this, you know, Skynet is across the horizon.
We're about to be.
The idea that we can't just pull the plug at some point on this stuff when it gets too scary.
Terminator reference, very good.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, the idea that it helps you write your college essays, okay, that's really exciting.
I mean, okay.
But the idea that this is some threat to humanity, I'm open to hear people who are building this stuff tell me, yes, this is the greatest threat to humanity.
But while we've got 6 million people crossing the border illegally, 110,000 people dying from fentanyl, China remilitarizing, Russia with nuclear weapons invading other people's countries.
You know, I'm not going to get too excited about this stuff.
Tom.
Well, I think this has been going on for a long time.
And, you know, you go back to Rothschilds and the banking.
And, you know, I think that when groups of people like this get together, it draws a lot of fire and a lot of, there's a lot of magnetism to what's going on there.
And I think what's also going on is you've got the purveyors of AI trying to get the political elite to calm down about AI.
You have to remember what's going on here.
There's a lot of money to be made in these companies and a lot of investment, billions of dollars have already been invested in AI.
So you have Sam Altman, OpenAI CEO and Y Combinator fame, incubator, you know, saying, easy does it.
Easy does it.
Yeah, there could be some things here, but easy does it.
Meanwhile, what they don't want, this is a classic thing where I think the purveyors of AI, the inventors, and those operating companies and investments really don't want the governments to come in and regulate it.
I think this is – Let me ask the question in different ways.
So either one of you gets, if you got an invitation to go to the Bilderberg meeting, would you go to it if it's not a big?
I hate these people.
Why would I go?
Okay, so you have no desire to go to zero.
But they want to get your perspective, your point of view.
I don't care.
I don't care.
These people...
What kind of a diplomat are you?
I'm not a diplomat.
You know what?
The only other job.
There's three jobs I'd do in the next administration.
What's that?
I'd do National Security Advisor.
I'd run personnel.
You're the only third one for Schittzengring.
What's that?
I'd be ambassador to the UN.
So I could walk in there and the whole building would catch a flame.
That's it.
Diplomacy?
No.
Forget about it.
This is America.
It's about leadership.
It's about being the greatest nation on God's green earth.
These people hate the people.
So the people that attended the people.
They hate the people.
They hate the people in the world.
Of course they do.
Of course they hate the people.
They chose the wrong person in 2016.
They chose the wrong box on the Brexit vote.
They chose the wrong person in Hungary.
They hate the choice of the people.
Why is populism a dirty word?
Think about that for a second.
Populism is a dirty word.
Excuse me?
The thing you're doing is popular with the most people?
That tells you everything you need to know.
When the left made populism a pejorative, you realize what they think of the average person.
I traveled with President Trump on Air Force One to Youngstown, Ohio.
Now, Youngstown is deep rust belt, okay?
We got off Air Force One at a military base.
No press, no nothing.
He got into the beast.
We had about a 20-minute ride to the stadium, okay?
On the left-hand side, all we saw was shuttered closed steel mill, you know, broken glass, broken windows.
On the other side of the road, people modestly dressed with their children on the side of the road waving a little stars and stripes.
We get to the stadium.
The boss is in the back with the VIPs.
I decide to go into the pit, take selfies with people.
I'd realized that these are all Democrats.
Their dads were Democrats.
Their grandparents worked in the mill.
When he came out on stage with Melania, he couldn't give a speech for minutes because they were screaming, USA, USA, USA.
Those are the people the Bilderbergers hate.
The people who built America by the sweat of their brow.
I have no interest hanging out with those people.
Got it.
I was going to say they were telling us there's an invitation for you.
Go, you go.
I was trying to get you to have copyright.
They have no interest for you.
I'll do the having copyrights.
I'm saying that.
Listen, so you just heard his answer.
The answer is no.
And I'll counter that, Sebastian.
I agree with you at about 94.625% of what you just said, I agree with.
Traitor.
Very specific numbers.
Yep.
But I would go.
I would go.
And if they're going to invite the Trojan horse to their confab, I'm going.
Would you touch the Trojan horse?
Never.
Do it, Tom.
Touch it.
Touch it.
Okay, Ukraine, Russia.
You briefed a lot of 05s, 06s, and one stars.
This is a question from a lot of different people that get asked, and you hear the answer.
How can you not see what Russia is doing?
How can you not see what Ukraine is doing?
How can you not see the fact that there's ties between Biden and Ukraine?
Do you not remember what he said publicly?
If you don't do this, and then I'll do this.
How can you not see all this stuff?
And then, hey, F-16, yeah, maybe we'll let him train.
And then if somebody else gives him, we're not going to get in the way.
Are you saying you're not going to give him F-16s?
We may.
We don't know.
Right now, I can't answer that.
So what is your thoughts on what's going on over there?
I wrote a piece on my sub stack as soon as the war came out.
You can check it.
I haven't changed my opinion then.
I remember the good old days when conservatives hated KGB colonels and thought Russia invading other countries was bad.
I remember those days.
The idea today that, oh, he's a champion of the West and he's a Christian.
You mean the same guy who persecuted Christians when he was a uniform wearing member of the KGB?
What about the biolabs?
Oh, who built the biolabs?
The Soviet Union built the biolabs.
That's interesting.
And then the question that, well, we shouldn't help them because Ukraine's corrupt.
Huh, that's the dumbest one.
Is DC corrupt?
Do you think Biden's corrupt?
If you do, does that mean China can just invade and roll their tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue?
This is wrong.
The simplest way to understand it, corruption up the Yazoo or not, is this.
This man is a bully.
He's a bully who said for 20 years, since he became president, he's been giving lectures how Ukraine, how Poland, how the Baltic states are illegitimate, have no right to exist as independent states.
Go back to school.
Go back to when you're a 10-year-old.
What happens to the bully if he doesn't get challenged?
What happens?
He keeps on bullying.
When does he stop bullying?
When you give the bastard a bloody nose.
We're helping the Ukrainians give this guy a bloody nose.
And to the last thing about this Tucker Carlson kind of, who cares about the world?
Pull down the shutters on the Pacific and the Atlantic.
Screw them all.
If 1776 means something to you as an American, let me remind you that without the French, the Dutch, and the Spanish, this would still be part of the British Empire.
Period, end of story.
If the French hadn't blockaded the British, if the Dutch and the Spanish hadn't bankrolled Washington, meaning General Washington, we never would have won.
This is their 1776.
So if it means something to you, if our revolutionary war means something, us helping other people fight their 1776, it should mean something to you as well.
So no apologies to people I've pissed off.
Ukraine has a right to be independent.
The Kremlin are a bunch of bastards, and we should help them fight for themselves.
Not deploy the 82nd airborne.
I'm not interested in dumb wars and us fighting other people's wars.
They should fight their wars and we should help them.
End of story.
How much heat do you catch from having this opinion?
I mean, this man alive.
You're born in Hungary.
You understand Soviet communism.
You understand Russia.
I go on Bannon's show every week.
This is not popular with the war room hobbits and even with Steve.
Now, if you're in the Trump administration and you bring this opinion into the White House, what do you think he'll say to that?
Oh, no, he gets in.
I mean, look, President Trump, let's be very clear about what President Trump is.
He's not an insurventionist, but he's not a Tucker and isolationist.
Be very clear what he did.
The guy who is accused today of being a Russian asset.
Do you know what we did when we found 300 Russians running around Syria?
Wagner Group, guys working for the Kremlin.
You know what we did?
He called up Matthis and he said, turn them into Red Mist.
Now, kill them all.
We killed 300 Russian soldiers in Syria.
No president since the revolution of 1917 has killed hundreds of Russians in wartime.
We did, okay?
He's not an isolationist.
What happened in Syria when we saw the chemical?
This is declassified now.
I can talk about it.
What happened when we saw the chemical weapons being pulled out of that airbase again to be used against civilians?
Over chocolate cake at Mar-a-Lago, with Xi Jinping eating his chocolate cake, the president leant over and said, I just launched 52 cruise missiles on that Syrian airbase.
He's not interested in dumb wars.
He's not interested in fighting other people's wars.
But when you cross a line, we will make you extra crispy.
That's President Trump.
Strength through leadership, peace through strength.
That is, look, one of the most powerful moments for me in the White House is I went into the Oval.
It was just me and the president.
And I was there to brief him on Iran, I think.
And he's very sidetracked.
He's sitting sideways to the resolute desk.
He's reading some documents.
And out of nowhere, because I'm there to talk about the Iran deal and killing it.
And he says, he looks up and he says, Sebastian, I do not.
Kim had just done something.
Sebastian, I do not want to have American GIs die on the Korean Peninsula again.
I mean, he just went so heavy, so fast.
But if we have to go to war, we will.
That's who he is.
I don't want to, but only if it matters to our national security.
That's why people don't understand who he is.
You said Trump wouldn't end the war in Ukraine.
How will he do that?
Because Putin's afraid of him.
Think about what happened.
After we killed 300 Russians working for the Kremlin in Syria, Putin didn't even have a press conference.
He didn't even have a press conference.
Do you think Putin is afraid of Trump?
Utterly.
Why is he afraid of Trump?
Because he doesn't know what Trump's going to do to him.
I'll give you an idea.
CNN just announced that they put 500, Putin put 500 people on a list that you can't visit Russia.
I don't know if you saw that or not.
Who's on the list?
If you can pull this up, 500 names.
Obama's on the list.
John Huntsman's on the list.
You remember the former ambassador?
Yes, Ambassador.
He's on the list.
Kimmel's on the list.
Colbert's on the list.
A bunch of guys are on the list.
But Trump's not on the list.
So, you know, who knows what this means?
But this just came out a few days ago.
Obama is on the list.
Obama cannot visit Russia, but Trump can.
Obama-Colbert, among 500 Americans, banned from going to Russia.
This just came out a couple days ago.
Yeah, there it is.
That's the name.
So let me wrap up with this story, and then I got a surprise for you.
I think you're going to like our new thumbnail.
I'm going to like it if he's not.
I guess I've seen it.
I'm about to give it to you to show it.
I think this is legit, and it's the truth.
What we're about to do, I did this while we were talking.
I had our entire team working on this thumbnail.
My and the helicopter right after the show.
Biden gets low rating on economy, guns, immigration, and AP Nork poll, AP News poll.
Only 33% of American adults approve of President Biden's handling of the economy, while just 24% believe the national economic conditions are in good shape.
Furthermore, only 31% approve of Biden's performance on gun policy and immigration issues.
Among Democrats, the approval rating, the higher, but still not overwhelming, with approximately 61% approving of Biden's handling of the economy, 75% approving of his overall job performance.
However, Democrats are more pessimistic about the current state of the economy.
Only 41% dissatisfaction with Biden's performance extends beyond party lines, as even some of his supporters express frustration with the post-pandemic situation and a lack of bipartisanship in Washington.
They're now saying it's the lowest approval rating ever in America.
If that's the case, one, are the Dems going to let him really run?
Are they going to get creative the next 17 months?
Because if he does run, this is going to be very easy.
Like you said, the one line: are you better off today than you were four years ago?
That's the only question I got to ask.
So is he really going to be the candidate?
Well, look, I just want to know who the 31% is.
Who are the 31% in America?
People that don't follow politics.
Yeah, but approve, approve of Biden's performance.
You know, it's not good for a former strategist to the president to admit this.
I don't have an answer to that question.
I ask this question every single day of my producer.
How can they let this guy run?
I mean, you look at him, just the last two years, just the mental and physical deterioration, him stumbling around Japan, him, you know, greeting dead people.
How do you let this person run?
And the only answer I have for you is there's really no mechanism for an incumbent president to be removed by his own party.
The DNC can't have a vote and say, you're not allowed to run again.
The power of the incumbency is almost total.
However, there is that very peculiar interview he gave once where he said he was asked, what happens?
This is when Obama came in.
He said, what happens if there's a disagreement between you and Obama on policy?
Do you remember this?
It was creepy.
He said, I don't think we'll have a disagreement.
But if we do, I'll come up with an quote, I'll come up with an ailment and I'll retire.
Come up with an ailment?
What the hell is that?
So is he, are they going to show him the video and say, hey, Joe, it's time for you're the president now, but it's time for you to come up with an ailment.
And then it's the catler.
Then it's Kamala.
And it's going to be even more fun.
Then the debates are going to be.
Do you think he should be required to take a mental and physical test open to the public to be disclosed?
No.
He should have to do that.
No, I don't.
I don't.
Why?
Because it's the will of the people.
I'm convinced.
I think Trump wants Biden.
I'm convinced Trump wants Biden.
I'm convinced he's hoping to Rocky III.
Because it's not even a Rocky fight, though, because I don't think he's not going against clever languor.
He's not going against a politician.
He wants retribution.
Yeah.
And it's an easy matchup for him because all he has to do is talk resume.
That's all he has to do.
Couldn't one argue that Trump over DeSantis?
Biden would want Trump over DeSantis.
Meaning, if they're doing their strategy meeting and Biden is saying, I think he's screwed with either one of them.
I think he's screwed with either one of them.
It's just about who America wants more.
I don't think he's in good shape with either one of them.
So your latest book, The War for America's Soul.
If we can put the link below for the book, The War for America's Soul, as well as the link to his.
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Check them out.
Oh, you've got the FBI t-shirt there?
Oh, yeah.
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It's our hottest selling item until Tucker came along.
Oh, and the transgender t-shirt that my guy said would not sell it.
It's the number two t-shirt.
Don't be a science denier.
They said that wouldn't sell.
That's a number two.
A man is a man, a woman is a woman.
Don't be a science denier.
And last but not least, to make up the marketing guys have been working on this for the last two hours, hoping the new thumbnail is better.
Rob, drum roll, show us what we got.
Yeah!
Who is that?
Is that slide?
That's the truth.
Who is that?
That is the truth.
The one and only.
But you could have got a better one of you.
Listen, the idea is to make you look good.
Not make me look good.
You're the show.
I'm just the hope.
I lost 42 pounds, PBD.
Look at me now.
Watch, you know what's going to happen?
Mainstream media is going to say that's fake news.
But that's the truth.
But I thought it's the truth.
That's the truth.
It's right there.
The muscles behind it, Sebastian.
It's been a blast having you on.
Thanks, buddy.
People can listen to you talk for hours, not only from the voice standpoint, but also from the standpoint of how you break things down.
Looking forward to doing this again with you here soon, next 18 months, especially during this election run.
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Rob Smith from Turning Point USA.
Oh, to Home Team.
We're going to do it with Rob Smith tomorrow, and I'm going to be in New York tomorrow night.
