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0:00 - Starts
5:23 - Redfin shuts down home flipping businesses
15:21 - @RubinReport On the 2022 midterms
20:50 - @RubinReport on Ron Desantis
36:35 - Will Donald Trump run in 2024?
1:03:41- Why do you think (Why the market tanked after the election)- 1.08.44- Because tha tha tha
1:09:19 - @RubinReport on Bill Maher
1:12:04 - Is Elon Musk a national threat?
1:15:40 - Reaction to Elon Musk laying off half the Twitter work force
1:32:07 - @RubinReport on Kanye West
Tyler, if you can show it real quick, what happened?
We got to talk about this.
This is Wall Street Journal.
Dow falls more than 600 points as crypto sell-off and midterm results loom.
The reason for a lot of this markets being down 630, yesterday's uncertainty.
It doesn't look like a lot of people are happy with the results.
They thought it was going to be a red wave.
It wasn't.
The day after, we find out how do people react to the market.
By the way, in the morning yesterday, if you think about it, Wednesday, stock market was up.
Dow was up 300.
Ends up down 630.
This FTX situation from 32 billion to 16 billion.
Guy loses 94% of his wealth and they may not even be able to finance the entire thing.
They may go to zero.
Crypto took a hit.
Bitcoin's down 3,000 yesterday.
Not a good day.
We got a lot of things to cover.
We got Ricky in the house.
We got Tom Ellsword in the house.
Hello, hello.
We got Vinny Ojana in the house, Mr. Syrian Vinny, and we got our friend here, Adam Sosnick.
Do you have a middle name or no?
Curious.
Yeah, what is your middle name?
I'm going to bring it out there.
Next thing you know, I'm going to be able to do it.
Isn't it like one of those Stacey, like Adam Stacey, Sosnick's?
Bet.
His bet.
Adam.
Bet Sosnick.
That's what happens when you spend too much on what you've become a bet.
Ben, Ben.
And then Dave Rubin is on his way.
We got a lot of topics.
Any minute.
Sounds good.
If you're listening, Dave, we're starting.
We'll see you shortly.
Drive safe.
A lot of layoffs, not just the one from Zuck, 11,000.
Tom's got an update for us for a bunch of different things that's going on with Redfin, mortgage, real estate.
Some news today about Amazon, which very interesting, how much of a valuation Amazon lost.
Did you see the number?
They lost nearly a trillion dollars of valuation.
Amazon lost.
870, 880 of valuation they lost.
$1.5 trillion of equity has been lost in America since May last five months.
We'll cover that.
Elon Musk, we talked about this to you.
A year and a half ago, Twitter did a tweet.
I don't know if you guys remember this or not.
People can permanently at Twitter work from home.
Elon Musk said, nope, no more days.
You got to come home.
You got to work.
You got to come to the office.
You got to work from office.
And obviously, that's how it's always been.
But Elon's bringing it back.
Excited to talk about that topic there.
Adidas is saying they're going to make Yeezys with or without Kanye.
We're going to see if that's going to do well or not.
Kanye is right now shopping to see if someone's going to do anything.
You ready, folks?
Do you know how much money was spent at midterms?
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$16.7 billion was spent on this midterm, the biggest ever in the history of elections.
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So, Tom, economy.
Zuck lays off $11,000.
Redfin, I'm going to go straight to what's going on with page four.
Redfin shuts home flipping business, lays off 13% of staff in slumping housing market.
This is a Wall Street Journal story.
They let off 13% of its staff on Wednesday and closed its home flipping unit, saying the operation was too expensive and too risky to continue.
The Seattle-based company, which operates a real estate brokerage and home listing website, said the decisions were made because it is predicting that the real estate market is going to be smaller next year.
They're not even talking about 2022, 2023, smaller next year.
And its home flipping business is losing money.
It previously laid off 8% of its workforce in June of this year.
The closure of Redfin's home flipping business, Redfin now follows Open Door Technologies Inc. posting record losses last week.
The biggest home flipping company sold too many homes for less than their purchase price.
Tom, what is going on here?
Give us an update on the market and layoffs.
Well, first of all, Redfin's just a beginning on the real estate side.
You're going to see Zillow.
You're going to see others that are in real estate.
They're going to be making adjustments.
And the ones that made it easy for you to watch an internet seminar and buy real estate, you too can be a flipper.
All those folks are watching those seminars on YouTube, you know, and some of them are good, educational about real estate, but others, you know, they're scam artists.
Well, those folks are the ones then going to Redfin and going to Zillow trying to start their home flipping business.
And the real estate market is just not there.
I think that's only part of the story because interest rates and layoffs are coming to that sector.
It's beyond Zuckerberg.
The rumor before the election was a thousand people would be laid off.
And many people, including me, thought this is at Facebook.
Yeah, Facebook Meta.
They said from a thousand to and then they did 11,000.
That's correct.
The leak that was out before the election, they believe was inside an intentional news leak to kind of soften the blow.
And then they laid off 11,000, although Facebook was up in after-hours trading just to scoach because what is the market like?
Admissions of errors and then reduction of cost.
And so there.
The other thing that really surprised me is Stripe because, you know, Stripe is huge.
They're bigger than American Express by value.
And they are laying off 15% of their workforce.
And I'm going to read you something.
This was, I think, good leadership and value attainment.
We're out there talking leadership and helping people grow their companies and giving examples of how to do it.
Here's a way to be honest with your people.
So this is the leadership at Stripe laying off 15%.
In making these headcount changes, Team Stripe might reasonably wonder whether Stripe's leadership made some errors of judgment.
Well, we'll go further than that.
In our view, we made two very consequential mistakes, not just errors of judgment.
And we want to highlight them here.
We were too optimistic about the near-term growth in 2022, 23, and we grew our operating costs too quickly.
We have to correct these.
And that's leadership coming forward and just saying, hey, you know, I thought there was a party going on in the economy.
I grew too quick, too much.
But this is just the beginning.
Stripes layoffs, Redfin layoffs, Zillows.
reportedly coming and then Meta laying off more than they thought.
This is just the beginning.
This is the economic correction that we've been talking about.
Yeah, makes sense.
By the way, we got the great Dave Rubin here.
If we can open up the vault and let him in, but go ahead.
You were saying.
Well, essentially, what I think is happening is you've talked about how it's been fake.
Like everything that's happened over the last couple of years has been fake, printing money and how money flows to the top, right?
If you look at all these major asset classes, whether it's the DAO, whether it's S ⁇ P, the NASDAQ, Bitcoin, Ethereum, the list goes on and on and on.
Basically, what's happening is just it's reverting to where it was back in 2020, March of 2020.
Now, you can give us some case examples like Apple is up huge, like way above where it is 2020.
And that has not reverted.
But then you have companies like Facebook that have done the exact opposite.
It's almost an inverted situation.
But everything you talk about being fake, there he is, baby.
Everything you talk about printing money being fake.
This is all basically what's happening right now.
Now, and it's great to see who was really having a lot of fake success.
Exactly.
Fake success.
And the man that just came in here, he's definitely having a lot of real success.
Real success.
He's looking at fake success.
Good to have you on.
What's up, baby?
It's fantastic to have Dave on here.
But by the way, to stay on the story before we wrap it up, and I want to go straight to Dave's commentary and thoughts on what happened yesterday.
So Greg Scher, whom I had dinner with last night, he was at the office here.
We were talking about FTX.
So FTX goes from a $32 billion company to a $16 billion company to Binance says, yeah, we'll give you a billion dollars to help you bail yourself out.
And then they changed their minds and they said, no, we're not giving you the billion dollars.
And so this is a company that could potentially go from $32 billion to $16 billion to zero in no time.
And the founder gave $39 million to Democratic super PACs.
And one of the other executives that owns a lot of shares in the company gave $19 million to Republican super PACs.
That's Ryan Salami that gave $19 million.
Great last name.
So this is what's taking place with this company.
Venture funds invested around $2 billion into the company, most recently at a $32 billion valuation without a single board seat in return.
Did you hear what I just said?
Tom, $2 billion, $32 billion valuation with zero board seats in return.
And these are not lame people that don't know how to negotiate board seats.
In fact, it's unclear if FTX even has a board of directors, audit committee, CFO, chief compliance officer.
Instead, it just seems to have some sort of VC advisory committee.
Here's who was involved.
FTX backers include Sequoia, which once sued Binance for unrelated reasons, Paradigm, SoftBank, Tiger Global, Bond, BlackRock, Lightspeed, Insight Partners, Ribbit Capital, Race Capital.
All of these guys invested.
And the point of this article is saying that at the very least, the FTA experience will put a major chill on venture investments in crypto, even in unaffected areas like decentralized finance.
If FTX can go from $32 billion to zero, maybe in just 36 hours, who's to say the same can't happen elsewhere?
Why would LPs take the chance?
This is a very, very legit big hit to the crypto community.
Think about this.
So $32 billion valuation.
I give you $1 billion investment.
Now you're worth $33 billion because you got my cash.
I only own 130 third.
You think of it that way.
And so if I want to triple my money, that thing's got to be worth $100 billion someday.
And so there was apparently feelings that there is more than just frothiness in the market.
You know what I mean?
This was a root beer shaking up, and then you opened it in a crowded room.
I mean, this is huge.
All over your face now.
Yeah.
All over everything.
But think about that, Pat.
Because you make investments, Pat.
Bad visual for Tom, but go ahead.
We're listening.
Don't get distracted.
Stay focused.
Adam's distracting.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
But think about that.
You make angel investments, and you make more than angel investments, serious investments.
Would you invest in something where you've got 130-third of this site and a tripling just to triple your money or double your money?
The thing's got to be worth $66 billion.
That's when you know.
That's when you know when people are trying to be that greedy, that late.
Last year at Super Bowl, the whole Super Bowl was about crypto.
All you have to say is who won the Super Bowl last year?
Crypto.
I don't know who won the Super Bowl, LA Rams.
I can tell you crypto won.
And, you know, by the way, FTX, Tom Brady's a part of it.
Goselle's a part of it.
You know how many celebrities are a part of it?
Left and right people are involved in this, but that's a whole different conversation on what's taking place.
I know a lot of guys that are in the crypto community who's, they put 95% of their savings in it.
Like I'm talking 95% of their savings in it.
And they're doing Uber right now late at night because Pat, you're supposed to bring it up.
I didn't want to do it.
But listen, props to your 4.9 star, Dawn Uber.
Thank you.
You got to be proud of that.
I can't hear you.
Listen, at least I'm going to give you the shout out.
I'm Candy and Cologne in the car.
So Dave Rubin, tell us, how you feeling, man?
I'm feeling all right.
First off, I got to apologize for being late because I was told there's a hurricane coming or a brewing or something.
And I was sleeping as the car arrived.
You guys send a car.
You're a professional out here.
And I was sleeping and my phone's blowing up.
Dave, you got to get in the car.
But I thought the whole East Coast was going to be blown apart.
So anyway, I'm a little late.
Can I give you some friendly advice?
Because you've been in Florida less than a year, bro.
Less than a year.
We've been trying to play basketball.
We've been trying to, you know, your knee, your kid, everything.
Knee's back.
Yeah.
As someone born and raised in Miami, this is use this for the rest of the time you're in Florida.
Unless it's a Hurricane Cat 3 or higher, just carry on, my friend.
Keep calling and carry on.
Tropical storm, tropical depression.
I don't know what's going on.
Take a pill and keep it moving.
It's been a beautiful day out there.
Exactly.
I'm happy here.
Well, we're glad to have you here, man.
We're really glad to have you here.
I started realizing last time I came, you were in like a $5,000 sharp suit, as you often are.
And I was in like a ratty-ass shirt.
So I thought, all right, I'll get my usual operation today, by the way.
First of all, everybody's got a suit on except me, too.
Dave Rubin's here today.
Everybody's got a suit on.
You guys are all suiting your booty.
I tried to switch it up today.
I asked Ricky yesterday.
Be unpredictable.
I mixed it up today.
I said, where's your suit?
He goes, I want to show my tats.
But he looks like the CEO with the three-piece suit on.
Well, I hit my jacket.
I didn't wear my jacket at this time.
So, Dave, Tuesday.
Everybody's watching.
Everybody's seeing what's going to happen.
You're seeing different names.
You're seeing different centered races, hows.
How did you think the day went?
Well, first, let me just say, as we were all here in Florida, everyone here lives in Florida, I take it.
California, California.
Oh, I know.
I know.
And he loves it there.
Good luck with that.
But he lives in Bakersfield, which is a different kind of calendar.
We're Republicans.
Bakersfield.
I once saw an outdoor Frankie Valley concert.
Okay, there you go.
It's cold over there.
Well, look, as a Floridian, as a new Floridian, as you said, I'm here.
I got here on December 17th, 2021.
I will never forget the day and the moment that I landed here.
You know, Florida is so set up.
So everything here is right.
This is what America is supposed to be.
This is what competent governance is.
This is what freedom's all about.
We are set up so well here, and this will continue.
And I tweeted out yesterday, Lee Zeldin, who just did something incredible in New York despite losing, move down here.
Let's take all the competent people.
I mean it.
I really mean it.
Let's just, how about we just open this place up for all of the competent people?
Let's get all of the competent workers, all of the competent thinkers and money managers and everybody.
We've got land here.
You know, we have a housing problem here, but there's plenty of land down in Homestead and across the panhandle.
There's land.
Let's start building, do some great infrastructure things.
So I'm feeling great about Florida.
The rest of the night, I mean, we still don't know what's up with Arizona.
So it's a little kind of wishy-washy, but it certainly didn't go the way that I think would have been best for America, for a free America.
Let's put it that way.
By the way, you know, Zeldin, you know, the status, first time, I think, in two decades, or was it four decades that a governor race was that close?
It's the closest race in four decades to lose by only five points.
You got to give him respect.
Nobody knew him two months ago.
Nobody had a clue who this guy was.
Some people thought he was like a, you know, what do you call it?
One of these heavy metal guys, a Zelda.
Like Led Zeppelin.
Because you wanted to let Zeppelin guys.
Keep rocking.
Yeah.
But so, okay.
So now the question, the main question everyone's asking, and you've been asked this, you know, yourself.
And, you know, so look, the reason why this happened is because what America doesn't want is anybody that Trump endorsed is, you know, is not looking good.
It's because of his involvement and the stories coming out.
He blamed his wife.
You know, these articles that are writing saying he was losing his mind yesterday.
You know, he was livid.
He was screaming.
Obviously, that's an insider story.
But even New York Post posted something today talking about maybe it's time to move because what America is showing is Florida, the guy won 62 out of 67 counties.
It's a lot.
62 out of 67 counties.
And the five that he lost, by the way, all had record numbers for Republicans.
So Broward, I think, was up by 12 points for Republicans.
Even if he lost, he won in a certain sense.
Yeah.
So what do you think about that?
Do you think it's a point where it's time to move on or it's not going to happen?
You have to know that he's going to be running and there's got to be a strategy and he is going to call him out and it's not going to be pretty and DeSantis should still run and they got to go through it and let the Republicans decide who they want as a candidate.
What do you think?
I think just before we get into the Trump thing specifically, I think we just have to accept that probably 40% of the country just wants more nonsense.
They want more government.
They want more lockdowns.
They want more control over their lives.
They want higher taxes.
They want bad governance and bad schools.
They have been so brainwashed, you know, the NPC meme, the non-playable character meme.
They want it.
And it just is.
And we can do the best we can to bring better ideas to them and break some of them.
But I think we just have to accept that.
That's sort of separate than did Trump really move this thing?
I don't really think this thing was about Trump.
I mean, the real Trump people did not do that well.
I mean, the fact that Oz lost to Fetterman, I mean, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is whacked out, but Fetterman can't speak, right?
He literally, not only does he have all the worst ideas, like all of the worst socialist big government ideas and release people out on the, you know, the criminals back into the streets and all that, but the guy cannot speak.
And then did you see last night on MSNBC?
They actually had a panel on whether John Fetterman should be the nominee for president in 2024.
It is a televised mental institution over there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That he should be the one that's going to be.
That he should be the nominee, that he should run.
Yeah, but how does Oz lose to that guy?
Like, there's something there other than, like, they all just want lockdowns.
They're all idiots.
What actually happened, though?
Like, go deeper into the fact of like, how does Oz, a very well-known character, lose to a literal weekend at Bernie's character?
Yeah, he wasn't.
Look, I actually kind of like Dr. Oz, and I think he's sort of, he's kind of like you, Adam.
I think he's kind of like a disaffected liberal who's woken up a little bit and he's kind of getting there.
I was here, what, about what it's about, eight months ago?
So I got to see how far we've dragged you because I dragged Marr.
I did two hours with Marr.
Exactly.
I watched the whole thing.
Club ranch.
I want to talk about that for sure.
But Oz just wasn't a great, great candidate.
But it's a moot point that anyone in their right mind voted for Federman that you thought this is a guy we should send to the Senate.
He can't speak.
You know what I mean?
That's not to diminish the stroke and all that, but like, come on, it has to be better than this.
We're sending the guy in the hoodie who can't speak.
Let's roll.
So there we have.
But anyway, to the Trump thing that you asked originally, DeSantis is the future of free America, and Trump has to figure out if he wants to fit in that or not.
Yes.
Does Trump have the power to burn the whole thing down right now and destroy DeSantis?
Probably.
Could he figure out a way to do it and just split the party and just create endless chaos?
Yeah.
I voted for Trump the second time.
I've met him.
I've liked him.
I've interviewed him.
He's got to figure this thing out now in a decent way.
And I don't know if he has it in him, but you can feel it.
People are starting to turn now.
You don't think he has it in him to realize that it's DeSantis?
Or you don't think he has it in him to make another run?
You don't think he has it in him to be a unifier for the Republican Party?
Does he have it in him to be, he could be the kingmaker?
Imagine if instead of next week, instead of what everyone thinks is going to happen, which is that he announces that he's running, imagine if he gets up there and he says, you know, I've looked at the lay of the land.
I've been doing this for a long time.
I'm of a certain age.
DeSantis, he's the guy.
He's the guy.
And let me help.
What a great end.
Not even an ending, but what a beautiful next chapter of the Trump story.
I'll get out there.
I'll do rallies.
I'll fight for the guy.
It's all you're, I can already see it, but I can see the look in here.
Yeah, but I mean, that's a great, that's a great, that's a hopeful, wishful thing.
But as a New Yorker, as somebody with his ego, I wish, I wish that would ever, ever happen.
But I love Trump.
Maybe we got to pump the hell out of that story so he hears it.
Because if Trump is one thing, he does hear what people want.
And if the story is, man, you can still be loved.
You can be loved and accomplish some of the things that you wanted to accomplish.
But getting through the machine again and that you're going to have to take out this.
I mean, that de Sanctimonious line a couple days ago.
Yeah.
Why?
Who's sanctimonious?
Did you look up the definition of sanctimonious?
I looked it up.
Yeah.
And it's basically like okay.
And then I like Trump.
This is not clear.
Sure, the definition of what sanctimonious is.
Yeah, it's kind of by the way, because when he comes up with crooked Hillary or you know, wacky crazy Nancy, sleepy Joe.
It's not off the cuff.
I mean, a lot of his stuff that he does is certainly off the cuff, don't no doubt.
But this is well thought out.
All right, we're going with Sleepy Joe.
Sanctimonious, making a show of being morally superior to other people.
So he's like, I could say anything I want about Ron DeScam to whatever name you want to go.
He's like, I want to call him, you're not holier than thou.
Okay, you're not chosen by God, buddy.
He picked that on purpose.
So in my opinion, give me one example, one example ever in Trump's life where he's like, I will take a back seat.
You be the leader.
Never.
I've never seen it.
No, I know, but that's why the story, right?
Like, if he wants to do the hero's journey here, it's like, man, do it.
No, I know.
I know it's crazy.
I know it's crazy, but it's worth getting more people to talk about it for the next two weeks because otherwise he's going to announce and they are going to have to battle it out.
I would say this: DeSantis will be by far, if he wants to run.
I don't know if he wants to run.
I know him decently well now.
You were at the live rally at the victory party.
I did my show from the victory thing.
I mean, the guy's surrounded by incredible people.
He's competent.
He's decent.
He's clearly a good husband.
He's a good father.
It's like, it's not going to get better than this.
I don't worship politicians.
I don't.
It is not going to get better than this guy.
And I would say the real question for those of us that live in Florida, and I really honestly can't believe that you live in California.
Ricky.
Is do we want him to run?
You know, I think there's an argument to just keep him here and let's keep this place as strong as it can be.
And, you know, I think that's worth thinking about.
The opening, the opening where you have an opening to capitalize.
He's never been better.
No, I mean, okay, so, okay, so 62 out of 7, 67.
What's he going to do better four years from now?
Well, what's going to be better than today?
You know, everybody won in your state.
You flipped a purple into red.
Are you going to be able to peak that?
It's kind of like, you know, you're wanting to get a contract with a team and you want to sign a 10-year, you know, half a billion dollar contract like you are with baseball.
No, I'm going to, I'm going to play one more year on a one-year contract and I'll renegotiate my no, no, no, no.
Like this year right now, Aaron John Judge had how many home runs last year?
62?
62.
Yeah, so he broke, he broke the record around.
Now's the time to renegotiate.
Dude, this is the year 10-year contract.
He's probably going to end up going to the Giants based on what Tom is saying.
But he needs to now get his half a billion dollar contract.
What do you think?
What would you make of it if he just was like, I don't want to do it?
Like, I love this state.
I love what I'm doing.
I love everything that I can accomplish here.
And I think that the machine is so easy.
If he said that, I don't think he's that guy.
I think he's a guy that is a leader amongst leaders.
I think he's a guy that has had his eyes set on leading for a long time since he was a teenager.
I don't think this, I think this guy was a teenager.
You would have known something was different about him.
I think if he was 22 years old, you're at a bar having a drink with him and talking to him.
His language, you're going to know this is not a regular guy.
If you're watching a football game with him, you're like, this guy's going to do something.
I don't know what it's going to be.
And he's done it.
You know, being a commander, being a commander of a Navy SEAL unit to going to be in Congress, six districts, Daytona, to go being a governor, you win only by 34,000 votes.
And then it's Lancelite, 40 to 60 Charlie Chris.
And then everybody in your state wins because of you.
And then you flip a purple to a red.
This is it.
So if he's ever going to run, this is your opening.
If he's not, now here's the part: if he does run, now my concern, if I'm him, is the following.
Because this is also what you don't want.
It's the replacement game.
My entire mindset would be if I'm him, is who am I replacing?
Because if you are going to go be the president and if you are a kinkmaker, who's the next person that you're working or developing or thinking to say, here's a five or six or seven candidates that would make a hell of a governor in the state of Florida.
Let's start kind of shaping their mindset.
Of course, some people are going to come from the outside.
I think that's what I would be thinking about if I'm him.
It's probably on my top 10 list right now to find my replacement if I run for president.
If I'm not planning on running for president ever, then you don't need to think about that because you've got plenty of time.
They've got to be thinking about it one way or another.
And again, I have no insight into, I know his people pretty well.
I have no insight into whether he wants to do it or not, but they have to be thinking about that.
But I'll tell you a great story about him and running and how huge this victory was.
So when we finished up my book tour, the last stop that we did was in Orlando, and I had DeSantis as my special guest.
So we went right into Disney and did this show there.
And they had protesters and they're screaming and all the usual nonsense.
But I'm sitting in the green room with the governor, just the two of us, for about 10 minutes before the show.
And we're just mostly.
He wanted to talk about baseball, actually.
We're just kind of, yeah, like it wasn't about politics.
He's just a decent dude.
And I said to him, I said, you know, Governor, you're going to win this thing by 15 points.
He laughed in my face.
He said six or seven, six or seven, and now he won by 20.
I mean, think about that.
He thought six or seven.
He said six or seven, and that would be huge.
And the guy won by 20.
Do you think that he said that because he didn't realize how much of an impact he had made?
So look, was he not aware of how much people really appreciated what he was doing and how the rest of the world does he not view himself the way we view him in order for him to tell him?
I mean, I've had dinner with him a few times.
He's normal.
He would sit here with people.
But does it make sense what I'm asking?
Yeah.
Does he not see what we see?
But that's great, though.
It's hard.
No, no, no.
That might be the ultimate secret.
I'm not saying he doesn't want to get too cocky and be like, of course I got this guy.
No, no, no.
He wants to be level-headed and just be like moderate and just be like, listen, keep my head down and work my ass off.
Hold on.
The reason I ask that is because if he doesn't, there's like, you know, all the guys here, we're not where we're at right now because we're not competent.
We're very secure, but it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean you can't be humble at the same time.
But the reason I ask that, my concern is that does he not see himself, like if he says something like that, okay, then if you really believe that, then you don't, you think that you may not be able to be president.
I think it might be.
He can't win the president.
It might be something like this.
I think, you know, as someone that just got here, right, that is so proud to be here and so vested in not only continuing this place, but making sure that it lasts for a long time.
I came in with so much energy and I see now so many.
I'm sure you guys all see it with new neighbors and everything else.
These people that come in and we're like, holy, we fled.
We fled.
We're refugees.
It's amazing.
Refugees.
I'm not in my, you know, I just have my one suitcase.
And I think maybe what he didn't see that he probably now after 20-point win sees is that all of the people that came here, not only, I mean, they all voted for him.
Everyone voted for him.
But then it was just working here.
And you take it for granted when it's working.
So then all of these new people come in and they're so excited about it.
And I think maybe he couldn't quite quantify what that excitement was, you know, because for him, it was like, we're going to stay open.
We're supposed to stay open.
I'm not going to put you out of a job.
You're not supposed to be out of a job.
I'm going to send your kid to school.
So I think maybe there was a little bit of a disconnect, but to your point, I think that might be the beauty of the whole thing.
Of course.
I 100% agree with you.
I was just wondering, you know, because I want him to believe that, and I'm sure he does.
I mean, he has the right people around him to like, hey, run for president because that's, you're going to win.
Catch one question.
So him, so Trump, Trump's saying the sanctimonious statement, you know, calling that name, because DeSantis didn't come back or didn't shoot back.
Do you guys think because of that one thing, that one moment, two questions?
Is it over?
Or do you think there's people like in Trump's team like, yo, dude, chill out.
He's the future.
Kind of make amends because this guy, he could bring you when you guys would be the perfect team to then bring you DeSantis with, let's say, you know, I'm just being whatever, Carrie Lake.
And then Lake can run when she has her time and she can pick Tulsi Gabbard, two females, you know, running.
My guess is if Trump has good people around him, and it's always, that's always the thing with him.
Like, are they good people?
Are they actually there to help Trump or are they there to help themselves or whatever it is?
If he has good people around him, I would imagine that they're sitting around Mar-a-Lago right now going, okay, so if DeSantis runs and if you run, what is the move on him?
How do you take this guy out?
You can't just, oh, I have rumors about him and whatever.
Imagine them on a debate stage where Trump's trying to call him names or do all the tricks.
By the way, I don't have a major problem with the tricks.
The tricks got him somewhere.
There's reasons that they're not great too.
But if they were on a debate stage and DeSantis just every, whatever the thing, whatever the garbage was that Trump was throwing at him, if DeSantis just kept saying, this is what I did in the state.
This is what I intend to do.
These are the numbers.
This is the support.
Like there's a real defense there without having to play the game.
Everyone else tried to play the game against Trump.
Remember when he was going after little Marco Rubio and then there were those two days where Marco tried.
And it's like you can't beat Trump at his own game, but maybe the way you beat Trump.
And again, I say this as someone that likes him.
So that's the weird part.
But maybe the way you beat him, you beat him through pure competency and decency and just not playing.
Yeah, well, what's the famous phrase?
Like, never wrestle with the pig because you both get dirty and the pig loves it.
And that's Trump.
He loves that.
So as someone who's been lifelong Floridian, this would be my advice to DeSantis real quick.
So, you know, there's the famous saying, man plans, God laughs.
Okay, so COVID was DeSantis' moment to shine.
While the rest of the crazies were locking down and masking up and vaccin up, he's like, not here in Florida.
Like, unless there's another Black Swan event, that was his moment.
Carpe Diem, right?
And the last thing is you never, like, Dave, we started the show with me saying, hey, welcome to Florida.
These hurricanes happen.
Like, get used to it.
We're going to have another five years of hurricane season.
God forbid, three years from now, there's another hurricane, Andrew.
And he doesn't run for president this time around.
And Florida gets devastated.
He's at an A-plus ranking right now.
You can't get higher than where he is right now.
He thought he was going to win by six or seven.
You thought 15.
It's 20, brother.
You could only go down from here, whether it's some situation in Florida, situation, you know, federally in the overall union.
Now's your moment.
And whether or not you have to take on Trump or not, you have to seize the moment because you do not know what's going to happen five years from now.
Isn't it not at all?
Isn't it crazy that there's so many people in this country that don't want what we have here?
They either just don't get it or they don't understand how good it is or whatever.
But like when I was driving back from Tampa yesterday, so it's about a four and a half hour drive to get back to Miami.
I just kept thinking the entire time, man, the night did not go great the way I suspected, but I am so happy to be here.
I did the thing.
You know, you can always talk about what you're going to do or whatever, but I left a place that was crumbling.
I moved two companies here.
I moved an awful lot of people here.
Everybody is freaking thriving and happy and it's going well.
And it's like, that's what it's all about.
So you still have that chance in America, where most countries you don't.
You know, if you don't like Trudeau in Canada, whether you live in Calgary or Toronto, you're yours.
That's it.
You got Trudeau.
Great point.
Dave, I wish you would have kept our little secret down here in Florida, a little bit of more sense.
You know what I mean?
Everyone knows that.
Now you're hyping up Florida.
Rent's gone up 40%, bro.
There's some stuff happening.
Well, that's because you're hyping it.
Look at the license plates.
It's not a secret.
But you know what it is, though?
It's been a secret.
People have a hard time detaching from their abusers.
Of course.
You're right.
That's what it comes down to.
I mean, as crazy as that sounds, it's the reality behind these.
People have a hard time detaching from their abusers.
So people don't leave California.
No, honestly, you know what's funny?
Here's a crazy part.
I was literally just having this conversation with a friend yesterday that I'm very attached to my family.
So is my wife.
My grandparents are there.
They're the only two that I have left left.
We're very tight-knit, extremely tight-knit.
So to me, it's like, okay, do I sit there at my income?
Do I pay the crazy ass state taxes and enjoy my family the time that I have them, especially more my grandparents than anybody else?
Or do I move, not get to see them as much?
And I want to go back to their funeral because that's kind of where we're at.
And I said, no, I'm going to stick around for a little bit longer until, you know, my grandpa's already 80-something years old.
He has heart problems.
My grandma's, you know, a little bit healthier, but she's not all great.
So I had to put things in a balance because, you know, I've been talking to Pat about it.
Like, I wanted to go to Texas.
I love Florida.
But I just needed to put things on a balance.
It just, you know, it's everywhere.
Everyone has that negotiation because I tweeted this out yesterday about federalism and that if you are not happy right now, if you're in Pennsylvania and you're not happy, you can move.
And then, of course, in Twitter, where you get only the best of the best, it's gotten a little bit better.
Something's going on with Elon.
Something's happening there.
I heard something about that.
You know, I saw the main comment I got: well, it's not easy to move.
That was the main thing that I got.
And it's like, well, okay, but in life, nothing worthwhile is easy.
It's not easy whether you have, you know, I'm obviously doing all right.
I had two companies that I was moving.
It wasn't easy to move my life.
It wasn't easy to get all my guys to join me and move operations and all that.
But I could get, you might have nothing.
It would not be easy to move.
You might have all sorts of family considerations and all those things, but at least you've got the freaking choice.
Yes.
For now.
For now.
Yeah.
So, you know, being Middle Eastern, a lot of your friends are Middle Eastern.
They can't leave because you have to leave.
Auntie, uncle, grandma.
So the Hispanics Middle Eastern were very close.
But going back to the Trump and DeSantis concept.
So, you know, you talked about, hey, you know, you're going to win by 15.
I think six or seven, right?
He wins by 20.
20?
What are you talking about?
His speech, he was on fire.
He said, look, I just want to say when I first won, I won, and many of you didn't vote for me the first time.
Those of you who have now voted for me, I want to tell you, thank you for trusting me to vote me in, right?
I mean, there's an emotional connection now with Miami.
They're talking about them to support you.
So I think the difference is DeSantis' personality doesn't allow for blind spots.
Everybody has them.
No matter how paranoid you are, you have blind spots.
Trump's personality creates many blind spots.
And the tough part is, you know, I don't know if Trump's asking, what do you think?
Like, okay, so I don't know if Melania's talking to him late at night.
I don't know if Ivanka's talking to him.
I don't know if Junior is definitely not going to be saying, hey, you know, I think it's DeSantis.
He would never, ever say that.
It's kind of like Junior telling his father, Gotty, hey, dad, I think it's time for somebody else to be.
It's just not going to happen.
That mindset's not going to be there.
However, you know, everybody thinks they know how Trump thinks.
Everybody thinks they understand this guy.
Everybody's like, oh, let me, here's what I would do if I was Trump.
You haven't been him for 77 years.
You don't know what his mom told him when he was 12 years old.
Son, never let anybody, da, You don't know what his dad told him when he was eight years old.
And for him to throw in the towel as a method of being disloyal to his parents, you don't know those.
We don't talk about those conversations privately.
Those are very emotional.
And his loyalty is not to his wife.
I'm not talking in a merit sense.
I'm talking in a vision sense.
His loyalty is not to his kids.
His loyalty is not to the Republican Party.
I feel his loyalty is to that eight-year-old kid, that 14-year-old Trump, who had a conversation with a grandpa or Fred or his older brother who became an alcoholic or whoever it is.
I feel if there's anyone he talks to privately when he's praying or he's talking to God or he's doing anything, I think he's talking to his parents.
He's talking to his, you know, hey, mom, what do you think I should do?
Hey, dad, what do you think?
I think those are the types of conversations.
As weird as it sounds, I don't think he's calling regular people saying, what do you think we should be doing next?
Now I did talk to Giuliani when we were at his house and we were doing the interview for Mafia States of America, which, by the way, today Rolling Stones did an article on the Sammy.
It's in Rolling Street.
By the way, I think it's the one-year anniversary coming up right now.
It could be.
Yeah, it could be.
Mafia States of America.
You're right.
It's political friends.
We're sitting there with Rudy and we talk Trump and Rudy says that him and Trump had a conversation and he says, look, if you notice I'm being unhealthy and I can't talk, I'm not the same communicator and I'm sounding like Biden, tell me to stop, I'll stop.
That's what Rudy said.
That's what Rudy said.
To you.
To me, that him.
And he doesn't know you.
Meaning like you're not a confidant with him.
No, no.
Rudy said to me that Trump told him that.
Oh, nothing.
I thought Rudy is telling you this.
And by the way, if I start back, Trump told Trump said to Rudy, hey, so here's what, you know, so I think I don't see Rudy, you know, it was a three and a half hour interview.
It was a four hour interview.
We sat there in his living room.
This is, by the way, this is, this is a week after they took the stuff out of his FBI came in.
So it's like at the time when this was taking place.
And so if he says that to Rudy, that means there's a few people that, yeah, maybe there's a few people there.
But here's the other thing that we have to, we can't forget.
I think, you know, I've been running a sales organization for 21 years.
The mistake I made early on, as in my 20s and my early 30s, I picked my killers and my rabbits too early.
Just because I like their personality or I like how they were or I liked it.
And I'm like, yeah, but that guy's too quiet.
Yeah, but that guy's not as fired up as, yeah, but that guy's a better speaker than this guy.
There was a guy named Jose.
Jose was a quiet guy.
Nobody banked on Jose.
When I first started my own insurance company, crazy story, September 23rd, I had 52 agents that were working with me directly.
I told them, I said, guys, you can pick and choose these seven people you can work with, okay?
These seven people.
Choose to work with any of these seven people.
You get to pick and choose and come and tell me.
Because now that I'm running a company, I can't be working with you guys directly.
I have to do operations.
There's this guy named Jose and his wife, Marlene.
Do you know how many people picked him?
Zero.
Do you know today his business, his agency, does 40 to 50 million a year more than anybody that was in that room and more than anybody that's ever been with us?
So meaning you can't pick your rabbits too early.
You can't pick a person saying, this is a long race.
A lot can happen the next year and a half.
We don't know what's going to be taking place.
We don't know what's going to be happen to Arizona.
If Kerry Lake wins Arizona, okay?
And let's just say Nevada, what's the guy's last name?
Let's say he wins it.
Let's say.
You know, he was DeSantis' roommate in college?
Did he not?
I did not know that.
Really?
Very interesting.
So if he wins, if they win 51.49 cents.
Let's say that happens.
It's not likely it's going to happen, but let's just say it does happen.
Walker wins, you know, the runoff in December.
Let's say Nevada wins.
And let's say Kerry Lake wins.
Trump can say, I had a victory.
So, you know, there is that part where he can say, Kerry's my person.
Kerry said, my favorite person in the world, my second favorite person in the world is my husband.
My first favorite person in the world.
You saw what you said.
And she's a very much of a, if Trump is here, DeSantis is here in the way they handle issues.
They're both direct.
I think Kerry's here.
I don't think she's here.
I don't think she's here.
I think she's here.
She'll call people out.
So it's still too early.
You know, the season, you know, everybody is about, you know, in NFL, they say, who's going to win the Super Bowl?
Whoever stays healthy when the playoffs start.
The playoffs hasn't started yet for presidency.
You don't know what issue is going to come out with DeSantis.
You don't know what's going to come out with Biden.
You don't know what's going to come out with Newsome.
You don't know what's going to come out with Trump.
Trump, we still have a lot of time on what's going to take place.
Don't forget also, Trump loves to surprise people, right?
So the only reality show I ever watched in my life was The Celebrity Apprentice.
I've never seen any other.
This was before Trump, obviously, his politics and president and all that.
For some reason, I watched that show.
I have never, I never, I can't even think of any other reason.
Do you keep on Kardashian?
I never saw.
I've literally never seen that.
I got no idea what they're doing.
But for some reason, I watched that.
And on that show, the mastery of that show, and they tried to replicate it with Schwarzenegger and they couldn't.
They tried it with Martha Stewart and they couldn't.
Arnold.
Was that he would, every week, he'd do something nuts that you thought he couldn't do.
So, you know, they'd have four people remaining and suddenly he'd fire three of them out of nowhere and just announce the winner.
So there is, that's why I think this tease having this conversation publicly, teasing out Trump, you have some options here to make you still be a winner.
You can be a winner here and not be the president of the United States.
You can have the rallies, have the love, get all the support, and actually maybe not have to do all the stuff that actually DeSantis is quite good at.
Here's where I feel pretty good.
Here's where I fully agree with you.
And then also maybe where I disagree.
The craziest reality show I've ever seen, and I've literally been on Keeping Up with the Kardashians for an entire season.
Okay.
Did not know that.
Okay, yeah.
We could not watch the craziest reality show I've ever seen.
Chris Humphreys, who was the craziest second debate where he brings out, it was keeping up with the Clintons, where he brought off all Clinton's mistresses on a debate stage was the most insane.
I'm like, this guy just brought out Clinton Hookers to a presidential debate.
How is this even a thing?
And that's Trump.
And here's the one thing I'll say about Trump, and this is why I do not think he's going to.
By the way, you said hookers.
I don't think these girls are.
They weren't hookers.
They were just people that he opposed.
Because you can't say hookers.
I should have said hookers.
My bad.
Lady.
Whatever the guy.
Accusers ladies.
Sorry.
Hang on.
Those are former stuff.
So here's the beautiful thing about Trump.
And this is not a knock on Trump.
This is actually the truth.
I actually believe whatever he says, I take it face value.
Meaning, I don't think he has a hidden agenda.
I think Trump literally says what he thinks, good or bad.
Whatever he says, I'm like, that's how Trump thinks.
You might agree with it.
You might disagree with it.
He's not like, all right, I said that on TV, but behind closed doors, I'm doing this.
I think he's just like, Russia, if you're listening, like he just says shit.
So back to this desanctimonious thing.
If you want to just get a little insight to what he's thinking, it's the exact same playbook 2016.
Look at the poll numbers.
80% want me.
Look at DeSanctimonious.
He's at 10%.
Good job there, Ron.
The crowd wasn't into it.
Oh, I agree.
I'm not saying that the crowd's not into it.
I'm just saying he's doing it.
So I'm taking what he does at face value.
Oh, Mike Pence at 7% better than I thought there, Mike.
All right, buddy.
What's her face?
Liz Cheney, 3%.
Yeah, no way.
She's got 3%.
That's how he thinks.
So he still believes that he has 80% approval ratings within the Republican Party.
And if he actually sees that, he's not going anywhere.
Isn't it kind of funny?
It sounds like we all just want him to be a little bit better.
We're not asking for like major re-haul with him, right?
Like it was just like, could you just be a little bit better for this moment, perhaps?
But a leopard cannot change its spots, and Trump ain't doing it at 78 years old.
Look, I say one thing, though.
Let's not forget that this dude came in, even came in, and everybody came against him.
The mead, like he got, he hit the beehive.
He got stung by everybody, the media, and it was all set up.
It was all bullshit.
Russia was bullshit.
What kind of attitude would you have if you're a boss?
Yeah, And you came in, and you know what you said?
You're fake news.
And because of that, look at CNN.
It's gone to shit because he pointed them out.
All those, all the Pelosi, all the everybody came on him.
Bro, he fought back.
I wouldn't trust anybody, and I'd be an asshole if I was him too.
So what do you expect?
I don't agree with going after DeSantis, but bro, it's a fight.
If you're number one and you want to be number one, you're talking shit and the gloves come off.
I get that.
You know, remember when people would always say, you know, I actually do like Trump, but the tweets, the tweets are a bit much.
And I always thought that was such a bizarre thing to say because it's like, oh, so if the guy who did the thing that nobody said could be done would just behave a little bit more like you, who've never accomplished anything, then so that's why he just always fell flat.
You know what's funny?
Dave, that's the issue.
That's Adam's problem.
That Adam cannot see Trump's accomplishments because he doesn't like the guy.
That's all you just 100% is true.
Call me out, then I'll respond.
That was not a question.
That was a statement.
I don't know if you know the difference.
Oh, I do.
So what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the competitive.
No, because you don't like him.
Apart from all of his accomplishments, lowest unemployment in history for blacks and Hispanics, highest stock market.
First president to ever walk in North Korea and meet with the president of North Korea.
Lower the tensions with Russia.
Win a trade war with China.
I mean, come on, bro.
The list goes on.
And you're still like, oh, you know, fuck this guy.
I'm like, bro, come.
There's going to be a, I don't like him.
I don't like him a lot of his personality either.
But at the end of the day, I want to live in a country where my taxes are low, stock market's doing good, unemployment's low, and we're beating other countries.
And that's what Trump gave us.
So all this other bullshit is a bunch of emotional bullshit of people that don't like how he is.
That's why he's a winner.
You're not going to like winners.
Michael Jordan, you have Scotty Pippen talking shit about Michael Jordan on this show.
The last dance.
The last dance.
All of a sudden, Michael Jordan is an asshole.
Dude, if you read the book and when you talk about Michael Jordan, all the guys that left his team after he left were getting big ass contracts.
And they were not worth that because Michael Jordan was no longer around.
So that's what I'm getting at.
No matter how much you don't like a person, if they're making everybody better and they're making everybody's lives better financially, economically, socially, whatever the case may be, the hell with how they act.
Oh, it's not very presidential.
Every other president is screwing you over.
So what the hell does it matter?
Talk shit, but give me a good economy.
Talk shit, but lower unemployment.
Talk shit, but lower tensions with Russia.
And talk shit, but win trade war.
You can't have it both.
And the thing about a lot of Americans is they want both.
You can't have it both.
Either you're going to have a good speaking guy like Obama is an idiot with the country.
And then the Hispanics love him.
In 2014, he created the cages our people are in and deported more people, more immigrants than any other president in history.
But he speaks well.
Like, you got to choose one or the other.
You can't have your cake and idiot, too.
And going back to your point, you described Adam, you know, point by point on that's, that's, that's the, this is the American people right here.
Well, yeah, great job, Ricky.
How do you really feel?
You're rehearsing.
He knows how I feel.
No, that shit was not rehearsed.
They rehearsed.
He played over well.
Here's what I will say.
I'm actually one of the few people that will acknowledge his accomplishments and say I do approve of what he did, was able to do that.
But you don't want him in office.
Oh, yeah.
Heff it.
Let me speak and then I'll come to you.
That's how this works.
I will acknowledge what he did for the economy.
I would acknowledge what he did for unemployment.
I will acknowledge what he did for the stock market.
I will acknowledge what he did with the Middle East.
I'm able to do that.
But it's not about me.
I'm letting you know.
I'm giving you insight to what 50 plus percent of the country thinks.
And 50% of the country, like for instance, if I hear nails on a chalkboard, I don't care what you're writing on the chalkboard.
All I'm hearing is ah!
And I'm like, no, that's good for you, bro.
It's like the American people, this isn't me, Ricky, and this isn't you.
The American people hear him speak and it's nails on a chalkboard.
And then you have people like you that's saying, no, what he's writing on the chalkboard is good.
And people are like, yeah, I just don't want that sound in my life.
And here's my point.
Do you think most people, not you, not me, not Dave, not Pat, not Vinny, do most people vote because of policy or personality?
No, personality.
Okay.
So you know the answer.
Yeah.
So people don't like his personality.
So don't be shocked when he doesn't shock.
Well, I would also add to that that if you think about it this way, can Trump bring in any new voters?
Is there anyone that didn't vote for him last time that suddenly?
Well, no, say there might be some really broken Democrats who are just like Biden, has dementia.
This thing's going to shit that may.
So you get this tiny amount.
The bigger issue though, is that the amount of people who will be depressed by the end of four years of Biden that will suddenly vote because they hate Trump.
You probably increase that by about five million voters, something like that.
So that's the problem Trump has.
He doesn't have his ceiling, is basically there already, but the floor now moves because a certain amount of people hate him.
That that, in some ways, is the best argument for Desantis.
It's like Desantis actually can bring in a whole bunch of the disaffected liberals and the libertarians and blah blah, blah.
That's my point and the hatred of Desantis, although the media will do all their tricks and they'll make him what they're going to do.
I mean, i've been saying this for a year, he'll be, he'll be Hitler, but worse because he'll be competent Hitler.
Right, Trump?
Trump was incompetent Hitler, but they'll make him competent Hitler.
That will be the argument, that he's functional but has all the bad ideas, and Trump was just a buffoon.
But that's.
The issue is that Desantis can bring in a whole bunch of new people who?
Who's the new people that Trump can bring in?
That that's a real issue.
I'll ask you one question, and this is my entire point of where I stand politically, because I don't.
I'm not.
I'm not on team red, i'm not on team blue, i'm on red, white and blue.
I love America.
I'm a very moderate person in all aspects of my life.
Who has a better chance of getting to a 60 approval rating?
Donald Trump or Ron Desint?
Yeah, who is it?
No, it's Desantis.
It's not even close.
Yeah, and that's what I want for America.
I want whoever it is, whoever it is the president, to be a unifier.
And Donald Trump as love him or hate him, he will get you 45, no problem.
You know, i've been playing.
You're getting higher than that.
I've been playing a lot of old Regan clips on my show from before before he was, from the 60s, before he was even just as he was becoming a politician, before he was governor of Cali and then as president, and it's like that aspirational message.
It's the same stuff that Desantis is doing.
Desantis has to push a little more on against the woke stuff which Reagan was doing more directly towards uh, socialism or communism right, but it's the same message of this country is good, let's get the government out of the way.
Live your life like.
It's basic stuff that we all want.
But yes, we still have this issue where a certain amount of people, they just they don't know what they want or why they should want it, and we, that we just have to either accept or or figure out how you deal with it.
Did you hear what Desantis said about?
Uh Florida, this is where Woke comes to die.
It's a great line.
Yeah, it's a great line.
And what I liked about Desantis and I voted for Desantis I see what's going on in Florida.
I think he has the ability.
All i'm looking for is the ability to get to 60, because that's my one wish for America.
We're not enemies like Ricky and I like like.
Can we get to a point where we're just like, yo, you're cool homie, we might disagree, but we're good.
We may never get there.
I mean look, we have a federalist system for a reason, and the states may just kind of go their separate ways, and that you want to neuter the federal government as much as possible.
That might be a much better way to deal with all of this.
Like, at the end of the day.
It's.
It's sad, right.
I'm from.
I'm from New York.
I lived in Cali.
It's not.
You don't think that it should be that way.
We're supposed to be the United States.
But maybe, at the end of the day, the only way to do this is we will just continue to do it right here and we will take the Refugees, and then hopefully make sure that the refugees know why they came here.
But Callie is gone, it's just gone.
They just re-elected Gavin Newsome.
Even worse than that, Michigan.
Gretchen Whitmer.
Oh my God.
Gretchen Whitmer was evil.
I mean, purely evil.
Her intentions are evil.
That's what I mean.
They don't go with the intentions.
She's evil.
She was banning people from planting seeds in their gardens during COVID.
I literally sent from crazy Callie.
I was sending people plants and seeds.
She's evil.
And they decided, yeah, we would like more of that.
The people of New York, Hochelle literally said during the debate, I would do it all over again, mandates and all that.
And then these morons voted for her.
So at some point, it's like, well, what do you want me to do?
I live in Florida.
I live around freedom and good people.
Well, Dave, New York, we can talk about all day about New York, how liberal they are.
But Michigan, you talk about Rust Belt.
I mean, they voted for Bush, then they voted for Obama.
I'm talking Michigan.
And then they voted for Obama, then they voted for Trump, and then they wanted Bernie, but then now they got Biden.
Michigan is a talk about a flip-flopper.
Every four years, they're going a different way.
My dad's in Detroit.
So I asked my grandma.
My grandma voted for Bush.
She did not vote.
She voted for McCain.
She voted for Trump.
She could not vote for Trump again.
She voted for Biden.
Like my grandma is from Michigan.
And she's like, you're talking about someone who voted Republican, but it would go the other way.
She's like, I just can't do this guy.
Yeah.
There's two things there, Adam.
That's what's happening.
There's two things there.
First of all, you cannot take an election result in America and interpret that as a mandate.
And here's why.
Because, you know, the pollsters are usually wrong, but usually where they start, they start with, okay, some basic numbers on a particular state.
Let's take a state.
Say a state's 43%, you know, registered Democrat that they think are pretty locked in.
And they look at history in the state and maybe 40% Republican.
So that's 83.
They put on that about 15 points of legitimate modern day independent voters, and then about 5% to 6%, depending on the state, for libertarian and green.
That's the playing field.
The billions are usually spent on that 14, 10 to 14 in the middle.
And as you look at these, where we're locked in, we are locked in in America right now.
It's kind of like looking at Coke and Pepsi.
If you do case studies on market share of soda through the 80s, they would spend billions on advertising and they were both locked in at 44% market share.
You know, and it was, and Pepsi went to the fountain business and tried to get the fast food and do it that way.
The point is, you can't take these elections and interpret it as a mandate.
Michigan didn't flip-flop as much as the independent voters were moving.
And Trump knew that when he did those rallies in the rural areas, he's like, I can't be 65% out here.
Out here, I got to be 75 because it's got to counteract core Detroit that's going to be voting how it's locked in.
And that's the first point.
And so I think we have to look at the billions spent for the 15 in the middle usually.
Now, if you look at a unifier, a true unifier in DeSantis, you now see that the only way he gets to 20 points is that Florida broke, not like so many other states and races.
So many races went exactly the way I'm describing here.
But Florida, a bunch of Democrats walked across the line, you know, and he didn't get 100% of the Republican vote.
He got pretty close to it.
And the independents came across the line because there was two things.
He was a unifier and he got the job done.
COVID.
I think my governor got the job done.
You take a look at what happened with Hurricane Ian, and he was over there in those white boots for a week, not doing a photo op dropping in.
He was at the command center.
He had National Guard guys over there.
He had these things.
And people look at it.
Hey, I think my governor just did a pretty damn good job.
DeSantis went from 35,000 vote victory when elected initially to this because he did a great job.
And it took stones and it took standing up and then being right in those moments where he stood up.
And the people of Florida have said, you know what?
You know, I'm with it.
And I'm with it.
So the point you're making, Tom, what's the point you're making?
You're saying drink Coke, not Pepsi.
There's two.
One is the elections, you can't look at it as a mandate because you have to look at these tight statistical results that we have.
And the second is we need a unifier that is a true unifier and somebody that gets a job done that's not just throwing out, you know, oh, hate the other side because of this, hate the other side, trying to move people on a motion.
Yeah.
And so are you saying that you would vote for DeSantis over Trump?
You personally?
Is that what you're saying?
DeSantis is, it's not who I'll vote for.
It's who's earning it.
And I think Governor DeSantis has earned my vote and earned my support.
He's doing a great job in the state where I live.
You know, something else happened in Florida that I don't think people realize how important it is in terms of getting guys like you and the disaffected liberals, which is that 15%, right?
If there's 15%, if that's the number we're going with, that can move.
It's like, how do you get those guys to move?
You guys may remember.
I mean, nobody really talked about it in the media, but sometime in March or so, Florida passed the 15-week ban on abortion.
15 weeks is three and a half months.
Regardless of what any of our personal beliefs are in terms of when life starts and all of those things, that is not only what I would consider the moderate position.
My personal belief might be a little bit before that, actually.
But not only is that the moderate position, it's the position that every sane Democrat had 20 years ago.
No, no, there was literally, literally no Democrat that had eight-month post-birth abortions, which now is the movement in the Democrat Party.
That is Cali.
That is New York.
These are laws that they've passed.
Dave, they're doing that.
So he got helped by that.
But now they're going two weeks after birth.
No, post-birth abortions.
We used to call that murder.
That's a murder.
That's a murder.
I thought.
But the fact that that's not moderate about that.
No, well, that's the point.
So that's the point.
So Florida is actually probably the most moderate state on abortion.
So you can think of now, you know, the media will now paint Florida as this crazy far-right, conservative, red, blah, blah, blah.
But it's like, actually, what are we?
We're moderate.
That's the truth.
So what makes it easy for media today to go after Trump is if Lake loses, if Herschel Walker loses, and if Nevada loses, they can say whatever they want to say.
I will tell you, if Lake, if Walker and Nevada win, they don't have a lot to say to Trump.
If Lake does it, then Masters profits over.
Exactly.
Blake Masters will do that as well.
So meaning if that does take place, forget about it, right?
So Trump's back a month from now saying, I told you, I told you, and he's going to play that card, right?
Man, it's tight, Pat.
Look at it.
Yeah, no, no, I.
Oh, my God.
But they're saying they could be counting all the way into Thanksgiving, if not Christmas.
They said they're prepared to work until Christmas.
I want to know your opinion on that.
Like, we were talking right before you walked in.
In the 1800s during a Civil War, people voted, and in one week, they had the results.
We are the most technologically advanced.
We have shit on Mars walking around right now.
We can't count the vote, and it's not going to come out.
I got to tell you guys, so yesterday, obviously, or two days ago is my first time voting as a Floridian.
It was such a freaking pleasure.
I go to this school, pleasant people there dressed in normal clothes, didn't look like a homeless shelter.
You go in, they hand you a piece of paper and a pen.
You actually do it yourself.
You then put it in an envelope.
You walk over to a booth where there's someone standing.
They confirm that you are you after you've already shown an ID.
You drop it in.
You feel like, oh, this process is not pure nonsense.
There's something actually happening here, right?
Versus Cali, which I voted in many times, where I literally, the last time I tried to vote in the recall election where I campaigned with Larry Elder.
Awesome.
It did not go well, but I tried.
I actually busted out my ID.
I wasn't even thinking about it.
I was just like, oh, I'm showing up at a polling place.
You show your ID.
The woman freaked out.
She kind of like.
It's racist.
It's racist to show your ID.
What?
Yeah.
She got weirded out.
Yeah, because they don't, I don't want an ID.
He's got a gun.
I'm a poll.
And you have no faith in the system.
So the fact that I did something where you then have faith in the system.
And there's even Christ and whatever crazy Democrat vestiges exist here in Florida.
Nobody's claiming there's fraud here.
There is nobody claiming there's fraud.
And that's why at Rubio's debate, when they asked him and Val Demings, will you respect the results?
And Rubio goes, well, I'm going to win, but obviously I'll respect the results.
We've cleaned up the rolls.
Everything is legit here.
And that's what people want.
Basic confidence.
A couple of things before we transition to the next topic.
So why do you think the market tanked 633 yesterday?
Tom, why do you think the market tanked 633 yesterday?
The stock market hates uncertainty.
And there's a tremendous amount of automated trading.
And the automated traders, they plug things into their models based making like a weather forecast.
They look at interest rates.
They look at unemployment.
They look at supply costs.
And they plug those in.
And when there's uncertainty, you can almost see when all these algorithms and the programmatic trading refreshes.
It was up 300 in the morning.
The more, remember, and the more it went, all of a sudden it starts tipping.
And it's because they look at momentum.
They look at a lot of things.
The market hates uncertainty.
And the market says we are not certain about how we're going to be governed and legislated and more regulated is the way the businesses pronounce it.
We don't know what's going to happen there because we don't know the outcome of these elections here, here, and here.
And when they plug that uncertainty in there, what happens is they sell current positions.
Did you see what's going on today with the stock market?
Big, The only thing that's down today, the only thing.
What?
What?
Bitcoin.
How weird is that?
Yep.
So Pat was right.
Pat, yesterday we should have bought as much shit as we could.
Yesterday was a day.
Yeah, but when it was down.
You know, I rang the bell at NASDAQ since I last saw you.
Oh, wow.
How was that?
I've had a good year.
That was for Rumble.
It was pretty sweet.
How was Rumble?
It was incredible.
This was about a month and a half ago.
That's cool.
I went to New York.
And so Locals, which was my tech company that I started to fight big tech, we merged with Rumble.
Rumble through SPAC.
It was basically the only SPAC of the year that actually did its thing as it was supposed to.
And yeah, about a month and a half ago, I went there.
Dang.
That's sick.
Rang the bell.
And what was super cool about it was I used to do stand-up at a little comedy club that we started.
It was underneath TGI Friday in New York.
49th and Broadway, which was right next to Lehman Brothers, which then obviously became Barclays and whatever else it is now.
But I used to stand out there two hours a night, six nights a week, handing out tickets to comedy shows when I had no freaking money.
I was barking.
I was broke.
I was broke.
I had a friend who worked in food service who used to just deliver me giant industrial cans of tuna.
That's what I lived on for like 10 years.
Probably going to die of mercury poisoning one day.
But you look rich.
Well, you're red.
I'm all right now.
But literally two blocks away from that.
I'm ringing the bell 15 years later.
Oh, cool.
That's the American dream.
That's the good thing.
You were super liberal at eating that tuna at that point, no?
I was a lib.
I was eating a lot of tuna.
Now I use it.
By the way, talking about the story.
Talking about Sunday.
Raw.
Talking about SPACs.
Truth Social.
The day he announced he's going to be announcing his presidency next week.
Stock went up 66% in a day.
Then right after Super Tuesday, midterms, his stock dropped 28%, 22% to 28% the following day.
Something was yesterday.
Yeah.
So he checked to see where it's at today, the SPAC, but it went 66 when he announced that he's announcing because you know how Trump does that?
He announces to announce to announce.
But yeah, his SPAC had a good day and then it had a bad day after the turnout.
So Tom, now that the market's up 888, what the hell is going on now?
Well, you'll see decent cycles.
Sometimes this is called a dead cat bounce in trader parlance.
So yesterday things go down and then there's a perception that things are on sale.
And so now you had a lot of momentum right out of the gate making a purchase.
I don't think it'll stay this 800 to the end of the day.
I think it's going to settle back.
But this is our stock market.
It gets spooked one day and then things are down enough.
And it says, hmm, I think some of these things may be, you know what?
I can make a little play here.
And people.
You said they said if the inflation is going to come at 7.9, if it comes at 7.9, they're not worried that Powell's going to overreact.
He's still going to increase interest rates in December, but not dramatically.
But if inflation comes eight or higher, he may increase by a point, by one basis point in December.
And a lot of people are panicking, specifically in the real estate world.
Half a point seems to be locked in right now.
Well, here's breaking news from Wall Street Journal.
This is 10 minutes ago.
Inflation eased to 7.7% in October as underlying price increases, including excluding energy and food, slowed down from a four-decade high.
Well, guess what?
Yesterday things were down.
Appeared like they're on sale.
Now they get confirmation that they're probably not going to get that one point.
It'll be the half a point that they've already got priced.
Market reacts up.
It has certainty that it's going to be a half point, not a full point, because I just want you guys to know during this whole conversation, I have nothing.
Just know about it.
And I want the viewers to know, me nodding.
You're amazing.
I'm acting like I know, Pat.
It's actually not you.
You look.
I was going to go like this.
I was going to go like this.
The one part of this entire show that you 100% identify with was Dave Robinson.
I love that stand up.
No, doing the stand-up outside.
And then me and Dave Day, we actually did the same.
So I'm from Yonkers, New York.
Went to LA, stand up, acting.
God bless.
And I appreciate Pat every single day because I contacted Pat and I'm here now, which was, I wanted to ask this earlier, just really fast, Pat.
What do you think?
Because you said it earlier.
The side that's just like diehard, the leftists, the Democrats, what do you think?
Is it that that side is just so hardcore and they'll never admit fault?
Because I don't really have a side date.
But like when Trump says stupid stuff like that, I go, dude, he's messing up.
I'm in nine different group chats that are all political.
I can't leave because one of them has a freaking Android.
They still to this day, bro, they won't admit.
I never hear, you know what, Biden's messing up or this is their just, do you think is it?
I love their family.
I think the machine and the mass brainwashing is so intense that they cannot get out of it.
It's that moment.
So when I did Mars podcast a couple weeks ago, I really want to talk about.
And I said to him, you know, he kept saying, well, Trump's an election denier.
And I said, well, you know, Hillary Clinton did call Trump an illegitimate president.
She tweeted it.
It's on video many times.
And he was like, when?
His response to me was, no, that never happened.
And he kind of screamed it as if I completely made it up.
And then once I calmly explained, no, it did happen.
I didn't have Wi-Fi, so I couldn't show it at the moment.
But I'd subsequently been tweeting about it.
He had now, or we've been texting, he now acknowledges it's real.
But what it showed me was, wow, even Bill Maher, right?
This is the gold standard for liberalism in America for 20 years.
The left now hates him because he's an actual liberal, right?
And unfortunately, the day before the election, he's on MSNBC basically saying you have to vote Democrat.
So I guess my job did not.
I did not fully complete my job, but I tried.
I think I tried more than probably anyone has directly to his face on camera.
But that moment where I'm telling him what is obvious, the Stacey Abrams election denial, all of this stuff, and that he did not know, I think that's what you're talking about.
So then you tell people basic truths, and it is so out of whack with what they believe because they watch MSNBC.
And I mean, not that anyone's even watching it, but the culture, the culture stuff that leaks through to people.
And that's why they've been censoring us for so long.
That's why this Elon Musk thing is so massive.
Because I don't know if you guys noticed this, but even I think it started this morning on Twitter.
If you look at your, you're verified, you're verified.
If you look at your verified mentions now, because people can buy in because of blue.
Bunch of new ones you don't recognize.
They're not verified.
Right.
So on one hand, it's kind of like, all right, maybe I don't want to see all these people.
But on another hand, what is it doing?
It's making it so that all of the politico journalists and Daily Beast journalists, all of these people who got the blue check because they work at these places, so you somehow think, oh, they must be legit and important.
Well, now they're just like everybody else.
And that hopefully will cause some of the change here where the guys that you're in the group with will somehow, some level of reality will crash into them because the censorship, at least at the Twitter level, maybe is crumbling.
Did you see the question that they asked Biden yesterday about Musk?
Did you see that question?
Can you post it?
Can you put it up real quick?
It's wild.
Very interesting.
Watch this.
Watch this year.
Elon Musk is a threat to U.S. national security.
And should the U.S. and with the tools you have investigate his joint acquisition of Twitter with foreign governments, which include the Saudis?
Look how long this takes.
I think that he's thinking cooperation and or God.
Technical relationships with other countries is worthy of being looked at.
Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I'm not suggesting that.
I'm suggesting that it worth being looked at.
Oh, my.
That's all I'll say.
What a vile statement.
It's worth being looked at.
I'm not saying he's doing anything, but we'll look.
We're going to freaking look.
We're going to keep looking.
Also, he has no idea what he's talking about.
His people have been the ones for the last two years.
We now know it.
All those docs that were leaked, that intercept covered, we know that the government was coordinating with big tech to silence people.
It is the greatest mass violation of the First Amendment in the history of America.
And I don't even know, did they even cover it on CNN?
I actually checked the day the story broke.
It was not on CNN's front page, but you know what was?
The Oath Keepers, which is some Trump-related something.
The day of January 6th, the insurrection, they spent $400 at Olive Garden.
That was on the front page of CNN.
That's the day that they break these docs.
That's what we're up against.
They do get free breadsticks.
No, I mean, so it seems like it's a lot of money with all the breadsticks.
But here's my question with that, because that's, I mean, whether you're left, right, center, up, down, purple, that's not good.
Like, you can't look at him and be like, that's my guy.
And I'm not.
But why would he stop?
But why would he stop?
But here's my point.
You'd rather have Biden in office at the very least than Kamala, right?
I mean, you came from California.
Because if you're suggesting let's get rid of Biden, let's get him out of there, let's impeach him, let's use the whatever amendment to get him.
Then you get Kamala.
No, it's all bad.
It's all bad.
It's all bad, and these people will never stop.
That's what's the most disappointing.
But who would you rather have, Biden or Kamala?
I don't think it matters.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Neither one of them is matters.
Yeah, that matters a little bit.
Honestly, my theory on Kamala is that her speechwriters are actually working for us because some of the stuff that's coming out of her mouth, you know.
I did a sketch on Value Taint Comedy where I'm tripping out because we can't find the speech.
And I'm like, it's outside the writers' room.
We walk in a room and it's pets, kids, and everybody throwing shit all over the place.
Time.
Yeah.
Time.
The passage of time.
But I don't understand.
We had this conversation the other day about Elon Musk.
And I was like, what's with this hatred of Elon Musk?
I know.
I don't get it.
And we checked his Q score, right?
What were the results of that Q score?
It's just it's the media.
It's the politicians.
It's bureaucracy.
But the people love Elon Musk.
He's about to.
With the exception of Dogecoin, whatever.
He's enabling equal time.
And he is destroying one of the pillars of speech control that was in front of them.
And they had them all lined up.
Meta.
Let me just read a couple things here.
So here's two stories.
One, not just job cuts.
Elon Musk eliminated Twitter days of rest and work from home policies last week, pushing a 24-7 work culture.
If you're a Twitter employee who has a satisfying work-balanced life, work-life balance, you may not want to hear what the new boss has to say.
Musk cut close to 3,700 jobs at Twitter or half of the workforce via email last week.
Musk has also removed Twitter's days of rest, monthly days off for employees to rest and recharge in its push to implement 24-7 work culture.
Additionally, Bloomberg reported that Musk plans to end the company's remote work policy and ask remaining employees to work to return to office full-time.
Fantastic.
Now, watch this next one here.
After weeks of media teeth nation over Musk takeover, Twitter sees explosive user engagement.
Twitter's daily user growth hit an all-time high during the first full week of Elon Musk owning the platform.
According to a company document obtained by The Verge, since Musk's dramatic takeover, Twitter's monetizable daily user growth has accelerated more than 20%.
While Twitter's largest market, the U.S. has grown even more quickly.
Per the FAQ, Twitter has added more than 15 million, more than 15 million monetizable daily user, not bots, crossing the quarter of a billion marks since the end of second quarter when it stopped reporting financials as public as a public company.
So on one end, they're bashing the guy.
On the other end, it's getting more engagement than ever before.
Look, the fact that he's just doing this blue thing for eight bucks, it's like, look how many people are doing it.
I don't know what the numbers are on that yet, but people wanted to give Twitter money and Twitter had no mechanism to do it.
I think Twitter is going to look completely 180 different in a year from now than it looks right now.
It's going to look much more like WeChat, which is a Chinese app, which there's all sorts of reasons that we shouldn't be cloning Chinese apps, but that you're going to be able to do much more within Twitter in terms of purchases and communities and all sorts of stuff.
That's obviously the route that he's going.
But he has unlocked something.
He has unlocked the fact that the government was in on it with the previous guys and Jack Dorsey should be hauled in front of Congress again and again.
I know nothing ever comes of it when they do it.
Of course.
But Jack Dorsey has a lot to pay for.
They still have to expose what really happened with the laptop and who fully decided all of this stuff and was a call put in by the government to Vijay Agade, who is the head of trust and safety.
And there's so much that he can expose right now.
And COVID and all that.
Hence why Joe Biden is up there going, oh, well, we'll find it.
Also, don't forget one thing with the $8 and how he's trying to monetize.
He's realizing he can't just rely on corporate advertisers to continue operating how they have been.
Because how many advertisers have already pulled out of Twitter?
No, someone like 50.
This is definitely in your guys' department more than mine, but has anyone ever bought a company at the premium that he bought a company at and then within two weeks fired 75% of the workforce?
Is there any comparable to that anywhere?
Pat is that normal?
Where someone bought something at 65%, but not high-speed.
Not at this side.
No, no, not at the size.
Not at this size.
It happens all the time with smaller companies, but not at bigger companies.
Tom, would you agree with that?
Not at this company.
Buying something at a premium and then doing something like this, that's not usually the way it works.
The way it works is, you know, it's 1995 and you buy Harley-Davidson when it's really having a tough run, but it's a beautiful brand and it's got products that can be revived.
Then you remove half of the people and you restructure it and then you take off again because it's Harley-Davidson.
That happened to Harley-Davidson a couple times in cycle, but it's never a premium where you pay like this huge premium for it and say, okay, I'm going to do this.
Now, sometimes, you know, private equity will buy companies like this.
And then what they'll do is they'll see they went in and it's a good sector with good growth and great fundamentals of the company.
And they believe that a 7%, 5% layoff is going to increase the profitability of the company because they believe they're going to run it a little bit better than the previous administration did.
But I've never seen something that this level of premium.
Tom, like that's your level of departure.
Regarding that.
So like if you're using the Harley-David example, I assume that they're firing because they want to restructure and just kind of like reposition the workforce.
Yeah, that's saying this company's not doing well for a reason and I'm about to fix it.
Exactly.
Meaning it's not ideological at all.
It's actual business.
But I guess first impression would be Musk is firing these people.
A lot of it is because ideological reasons, right?
I mean, that's the premise that I would kind of obviously there's restructuring and reformatting and business, but is some of this ideological reasons?
Like we saw what percentage of Silicon Valley and those types of companies donate to these versus ours.
I'm wondering how much of this restructuring, firing, all that is business versus ideological.
I would say yes, but no.
Yes, there is ideological elements here.
But the other side of it, he's buying this because he thinks he can do something with it.
You know, let's not forget, this is not George Soros buying a company and doing it.
This is an operator, an entrepreneur.
Oh, you're going to make rockets go to Mars.
Well, he's almost there.
You know, oh, oh, you're going to do the same for the electric car.
He's got battery technology.
He's got electric cars that look good, that run good, that are reliable.
I mean, he's pulling it off.
So is he making changes that have ideological elements to it?
Sure.
But I think he looks inside and says, wow, there needs to be free speech.
There needs to be this.
This needs to be so much better.
And I can make a buck on it.
And these sons of bitches aren't doing it.
So I'm going to make a wholesale change.
But I think at the core, some people see ideological, you know, wholesale layoffs on that.
No, I think he's looking, you knuckleheads are doing a bad job.
You're doing a really bad job.
And I'm going to buy this.
I'm going to do a better job.
I think a couple of times, not to cut you off.
I think a couple of times, like people came in and they're like, come in.
He's like, did you ever talk shit about me?
And they're like, no.
He just pulled up their tweet.
Like, you talk shit.
You're out.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, you probably, you're probably right.
But if you talk trash about me, you're out.
Okay, number 67 out.
68.
But also, also try to imagine what so many of these employees were doing on the DL.
Like now that we have some insight, and this is what he really has to expose if he wants to clean it up and then move the company forward.
It's like, how many of those employees were reading your DMs?
Because there's no doubt that they were.
100%.
There's just no doubt that they were.
How many of them were making sure that, for example, in July of 2021, when I tweeted out that mandates were coming and vaccines weren't working and I got suspended on Twitter, was that either the government that did it or was it an insider or Twitter that did it?
He can now figure this all out.
They have logs of all of this stuff.
This is not, you know, they can't paper shred all of this.
So it's like, if he just goes in and figures out who did what, when did they do it, and get rid of everybody?
I mean everybody there.
Do not hire because of equity, hire because of competency and give everybody what they want.
In some ways, it's a very easy job because everyone wants him to succeed except for Patrick.
I like what you said there.
Do not hire because of equity.
Hire because of competency.
And that's a major theme in America today, right?
It's very bizarre.
I don't hire people based on the color of their skin.
I like what he said yesterday.
He says, please note that Twitter will do lots of dumb things in coming months.
We will keep that what works and change what doesn't.
So he's testing right now.
Here's what we're trying.
What do you think about this?
What do you think about that?
What do you think about this?
What do you think about that?
And people are adjusting to it and he's going to constantly figure out a way to make it better.
Dorsey yesterday apologized.
Did you see the Dorsey apology yesterday?
Dorsey, did you read the Dorsey's apology?
What do you think about it?
It rings very hollow to me.
When you had a chance, dude, you did everything wrong.
Then you step away.
Also, the Dorsey thing, and I've chatted with him privately a couple of times.
The Dorsey thing seems very odd to me because you guys all know how hard it is to run one company.
So now you're running Twitter, like the most public company in the history of the world where everything is happening.
And he was also running, what was the other company he was the CEO of Stripe?
Not Stripe or Square.
It's like, how is that even possible?
And then, you know, he goes in front of Congress and he lies.
Do you shadow ban?
No.
And it's like, come on, man.
But they know that nothing ever happens with these things.
So, you know, he's just trying to get back in.
I don't blame him for what he's doing.
He's trying to figure out a way to wiggle himself back in.
And that's what any of us would do, right?
You know, if you did everything wrong all the way.
Well, Dorsey must look at Elon after, you know, Dorsey's running two companies.
Look at Elon.
He's running Tesla and SpaceX and Neuralink and what's the satellite company.
He's got a Warren company and Starlink.
And now it's Tesla.
It's like, this guy might be an alien.
He's an alien, Adam.
I know he's.
I like what he's doing.
I like what he's doing.
Dave, did you see about a week and a half ago where he actually tweeted two images from emails between the two executives?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And so he's putting it out there.
So it's like, okay, I'll tell you what, for all you guys who want to be yelling about this here.
Because he walked in and he said, you know what?
Can you pull the executive emails here and here for the guys I just let go?
Don't touch them.
Just pull them out there.
I want to see this dialogue.
Oh, this is very interesting.
And so he showed America.
He showed us this.
And I think that's a sign of what he's saying.
It is also kind of funny that a guy who's literally sending us to Mars decides to get into this fight of all fights, which is the most painstaking, you know, just the craziest cultural fight you could possibly ever get in.
And then he fires these guys.
And now, you know, the lawsuits are going to be endless, right?
Because he's trying to stop their golden parachutes because he's firing them for incompetency.
They're going to obviously claim that they were not.
Like, he's just opened himself up to everything.
This guy who could literally leave Earth, have no problem that any of us could ever imagine.
And he loves it.
Yeah.
And he loves it.
So, Pat, what do you think is his actual motivation?
Because prior to Twitter, I don't think he was a big First Amendment free speech guy.
Like, that wasn't his fight whatsoever.
It was, you know, Star Trek vibes, third dimension, another world.
Let's go to space.
All that.
Now, what do you think his motivation is?
I don't think that it wasn't his MO pre-COVID.
I just think it wasn't as bizarre as it got during COVID.
It's like, what the hell is going on here?
And he says, look, I'm going to buy one of these companies.
I'm going to buy Twitter.
Of course, we'd love for him to buy Facebook and some of these other guys.
I don't think he can go raise that kind of money yet, unless if the valuation goes lower.
But I think he has one other play he's got to do.
I really think he's got one other play he's got to do.
He's got a major newspaper.
And he's got to finalize CNN $6 billion.
Go buy CNN $6 billion.
You scare the shit out of everybody there.
If he buys, so now what happens is now he owns one of the virtual governments, which is Twitter.
And if he goes buys one of the mainstream, the ultimate mainstream fake news, you know, he buys CNN.
Do you realize this is the one way to actually get these people to go to Canada?
This would be the ultimate way to get people to say, you know what?
I'm finally doing it.
I'm leaving.
That's it.
Send him to Canada.
But Canada.
Go to Justin Trudeau, who's going on trans shows.
By the way, they don't just let you into Canada.
It's not as easy as it is coming here.
You know what I mean?
Tell me to vote for Trudeau, maybe.
This clown.
I used to do stand-up.
Has he ever actually expressed interest in buying CNN or a mainstream legacy media outlet?
Has he ever said anything about that?
I don't know if he said that, but I think if Elon bought CNN, matter of fact, I'm on Twitter while we're talking right now.
Hey, listen, Elon bought.
What are you up to tonight?
I should go buy CNN, buddy.
Where's this guy, Dave?
I'll just tweet a rumor.
I heard Elon is buying CNN.
It's like the Larry Ellison tweet.
Hey, I'm going to buy Twitter.
Do you want in?
Did you see that tweet?
I didn't see that.
It was a DM back and forth.
And Ellison says, sure.
And he said, how much would you be in?
And Ellison responds, a billion.
And I just find, I found that really, really funny.
I really love balling him.
But Dave, off of what you said, out of left field, what a random thing.
But what a beautiful thing for a person to have, because he could have jumped on any movement, any company.
He didn't like this.
Something must have really hit him where he's like, I'm going to spend all this money.
I'm going to change.
I'm going to make a profit at some point.
But I want the truth to be able to be said.
Well, to Patrick's point, that's what's so cool about post-COVID is that it woke up so many people to some level of reality, some level of red pilling.
Elon, this is obviously not the direction he was going to go in as he's building rockets, right?
And doing everything he's doing with Tesla and literally underground tunnels and all of this stuff.
But then something happened along the way where he was like, you know what?
Enough's enough.
It's that line from Homer Simpson.
I'm a guy like me.
Like someone has to do it.
I'm a guy like me.
I guess I better do it.
The tipping point, I'm obviously don't know his mindset.
The tipping point was when he was like, all right, I got to move Tesla.
I got to move to Texas.
Oh, maybe that's Texas.
It's a shame he didn't move here.
I know.
You remember what the tipping point was for Twitter, right?
It was the Babylon B ban.
Remember the Babylon B got banned.
Of all places, the B got banned.
And Elon Musk said, you know what?
I think I'm going to go by Twitter.
This is ridiculous.
Yeah, it's actually true.
What was beautiful about that, too, is it was played out in real life.
I mean, he was on the Babylon B podcast either that day or the next day.
Like he obviously planned.
They weren't planning on getting banned.
He then saw a problem, and then he just shows up at their offices.
I've been there.
I mean, they got very rinky dink.
This is not a fancy operation.
And he just starts talking.
And then next thing you know, it's like, oh, other people kind of believe the same things I believe and are sick of the lies.
And here we are, you know, eight months later, and the guy owns the freaking.
Don't forget.
And by the way, this is ridiculous.
Whatever this guy is, I'm going to go back and see if he ever lied about his family.
Damn, this guy used to do.
He's such a hack.
Oh, God, really?
Yeah.
Don't forget, Elon Musk is from South Africa.
So he grew up with apartheid.
He understood.
He's an African American.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But um, thank you.
Just then for me here, exactly.
But so, like, in his core DNA, obviously, you know, he's dreaming space and all that.
In his core DNA, he knows what injustice really looks like.
What it really looks like.
And obviously, Nelson Mandela, I'm assuming, had a massive influence on him.
And you just, I'm just speculating here, but after being raised in South Africa apartheid, you must have some sort of like, this is what injustice is, this is what freedom is, this is what's right, this is what's wrong.
And everything that happened during COVID must have triggered everything he learned when he was a kid because that's not what he stood for for the last time.
I think that's also why it's cool that the billionaire class seems to be getting involved in the game.
You know, it's like it's very easy.
People are always like, ah, you know, when you have FU money, you'll do all these things.
And then no one ever does it because then you've got all these companies and all these properties and all these people that you're in charge of and no one ever does it.
But the fact that Teal went out on the line to support Carrie and Blake and he got JD in and we'll see what happens with the other ones.
But he's out there doing it now, Elon.
I mean, they were the guys that created PayPal together.
David Sachs, who is the CFO of PayPal, who's probably worth hundreds of millions, he's advising Elon now over there.
So like there's a group of people that suddenly realized, hey, we have everything, but we still have something to lose.
And they're in and they're trying to fix it now.
And we need them.
That's the bizarre thing.
The billionaire class is always painted as evil, but thankfully they're getting involved now.
So do you think we were having this conversation yesterday about Citizens United and big money in politics?
So are you in favor of politicians being able to lobbyists and big money getting into?
Because for every Peter Thiel, there's a George Soros.
For every George Soros, there's a Koch brother.
So it kind of goes down.
Yeah, it is a slippery slope.
I'd rather have that level of competition just exist and you just figure out better ways to get the message across than just limiting what people can actually do.
But you could argue it either way, I think.
Yeah.
But by the way, to everybody, there's a competition.
Who's the competition to Musk on the left?
Is it Bezos?
Do you have Bezos as the direct competitor?
Somehow, nobody has a problem with Bezos owning the Washington Post and putting out that garbage all day long, right?
Nobody has a problem with that.
The same people who are freaking out over Elon now.
Yeah, and is WAPO free?
No.
You're paying for it.
On a monthly basis.
And Twitter offers a lot more than a lot of these other guys follow.
By the way, are you following the story of Adidas with Yeezy and who owns the design, who owns all of it?
Adidas to sell shoes based on Yeezy designs following break with Kanye.
Adidas said it would start selling shoes based on his designs and a bid to rebound after scrapping the lucrative partnership with musician and design of Kanye West.
And that spawned one of the company's most successful product lines.
Finance chief Harm Olheimer said the sporting goods giant was a sole owner of all the rights to the existing products except for the Yeezy name.
So the only thing Kanye owns is the name and that the company intended to make use of those rights as early as the end of next year.
He said, we own all the IP, we own all the designs, we own all the versions, the new colorways.
So it's our IP.
It's our product.
We believe there are interesting things coming to fruition in 2023.
That's where we're working through.
So what do they do?
Here's an idea.
Do you think Adidas takes the design and goes and calls, I don't know, a, you know, you only have like 10 people to do, Travis Scott.
Do they call a Jay-Z?
Jay-Z, do they call guys like that and say, hey, we want to call it something else since we own all this design, since our, you know, the buyers, customers love it, let's choose your own name of Yeezy, add to it, or are they just going to name it an Adidas brand and people are going to buy it?
And at the same time, what is Kanye going to do leaving?
He can only use the name, but the IP and the shoes designs is not going to be with him.
What do you think is going to end up happening here?
Well, let's start, Pat.
Just ask you a question.
I mean, you're a person of influence.
You're 50 Cent now.
Okay.
Hey, question for you.
How would you like to be the face of the sneaker brand?
50 Cent.
So you're going to take all the Yeezy stuff that everybody knows is Kanye, and because he's gone, you're just going to put like my brand on it?
I don't know if I'm into that.
I just can't see personally, and I'm projecting there, a little like Miss Cleo here, reading minds, but I can't see a real powerful brand person wanting to feel like they were the second choice or the second here.
I just don't see that.
I see it's probably going to be internal branding, make an internal branding and run like that because I don't know how you convince somebody that's going to have enough magnetism with a buying public to basically be the replacement.
I actually fully agree with you.
And by the way, when I think of hip-hop, I think of Tom the Biz.
100%.
When I think of gangster rap.
But I actually agree with you.
Harry.
Quoting 1980s MC Light over there.
Young MC.
Young MC.
But this brand is so associated with Yeezy that I don't see another rapper.
No.
50 Cent, Travis Guy, Jay-Z, whatever, Amigos, whatever you want to do.
They're not just going to be like, yep, fuck Kanye.
I got this thing.
He's not going to work.
What about Kim Carlos?
I wear Yeezys on a daily basis.
Do you wear them?
Because I was just going to ask you.
He always started wearing them.
He started made at the anti-Semitic conditions.
Please do look.
Dave, please say this because I'm with you.
Oh, I know what you're going to do.
These are the freaking ugliest, most obtrusive, ridiculous shoes I have ever seen.
Has he worn them?
I haven't worn them.
I get it.
Okay, maybe.
Maybe.
Fine.
But wait, that one there, that third one.
No, mine is a black with the shoes.
I saw a guy wearing that in Target.
No, not those.
No, no, no, no.
But I saw a guy wearing that in Target.
No, no, no.
I get that.
How much are those?
Those are like beach sandals, though, Dave.
Those aren't real.
No, Go back, Tyler.
Go back, real quick.
It's like crocodile.
Show the real Yeezys that people wear.
Yeah, okay.
So go back one more slide.
The first one you had originally.
Oh, Google.
What's like the classic Yeezys?
You see the black and red?
Yeah, right.
Bottom below.
In the middle, the two white ones, right there.
No, no, to the right.
there.
How much are those?
How much are those?
I paid four or five hundred bucks for them.
Jeez, but I understand they're comfortable, but I see them on people's feet, and I just don't get it.
Yeah, they look ridiculous.
No, those don't look too bad.
Yeah, but that's a cool-looking shoe.
It's all that that's.
I got the one, the bottom one in the green.
If you hit that one, that's what I rock, bro.
I don't know what that is.
Pat, have you ever put those on, Pat?
No, I have not.
But here's a question.
This is not me.
I couldn't wear stuff.
Yeah, me neither.
But like what I'm wearing right now on cloud, I could wear that for the rest of my life.
I feel amazing.
On cloud to me is the most comfortable shoes in the world.
Tennis shoes.
I wear, I feel like I have nothing on.
Actually, I don't have on-cloud on right now.
What do you have?
The man cannot lie.
What do you got on?
No, no, no.
I don't have today.
I got Kobe's on.
Oh, you got Kobe's on, baby.
Let's do that.
Eatmans gave me this during that time.
I got Kobe's on.
Those are sick.
But as much as I love these shoes, it's very uncomfortable.
They're basketball.
They're for basketball.
But I tell you, here's the part, though.
Here's the part, though.
Adidas underestimated how much they were going to lose.
They lost more than they underestimated.
People aren't as woke as they thought they were going to do.
And by the way, I don't buy Adidas tennis shoes.
I think people who bought Adidas tennis shoes, many of them, it brought an audience that they didn't have before.
100%.
Okay, Nike does have an audience that they have.
Don't get me wrong.
I think Steph Curry's with Adidas or some players, some people are with Adidas, but it's not the same.
So who's more likely to succeed here?
Here's a question for you.
Easy.
Is it more likely for Kanye to take the name elsewhere and be able to create momentum?
Maybe it'll take him a year, two years, three years to do that.
Or is Adidas more likely to use that design to get back to the numbers they were doing?
Who's more likely?
Yeezy.
What do you think?
I think Yeezy.
Well, do we know what the numbers are in terms of what they put into it?
Quarter of a billion.
In terms of what they put into it and what they got back out of it, not just how much they were paying.
It's one of the most successful.
We can pull up the numbers if you want to pull it up.
It's one of the most successful selling.
That seems crazy to me.
Where are these people wearing these shoes?
Here's what I'll say about Kanye.
Everybody wears them, Dave.
Yeah, everybody wears them.
Listen, guessing Callie.
Don't forget.
Exactly.
Don't forget where you came from.
People, why do people listen to Kanye?
I don't but just why do you why do you listen to Kanye I don't call Because of his music.
No, They're wrong.
You know that?
I actually do not listen to Kanye at all.
I do not like his music.
I like that he has to Americans.
Well, you listen to Mexican trap music.
I understand that.
I'm sounding like you listen to hip-hop.
I know, but what I'm trying to get to tell you is I started following Kanye about my Yeezys after I saw what he stood up for.
And by the way, I'm not the only one.
My wife is not a tennis.
No, she's not a tennis tupper girl.
She's a high heel.
And I bought her Yeezys.
She loves them.
She wears them all the time because of what he stands for.
Wait, some of us will stand, will buy Grace Yeeze.
Because you're the exception.
I don't understand why you think there's so little of us in this world.
I'm just saying that Kanye, who's, how about this?
Let's just keep it simple.
Who's Kanye's base?
Who is it?
What do you mean his base?
Like, if there's, like, Trump has a base, it's MAGA, clearly.
Yeah, it's just rap fans.
Okay, exactly.
So you're not, you're an exception.
You're not the rule.
That's his base.
I 100% agree.
So his base is hip-hop, rap, that community.
Right.
Okay.
That's why they're listening to Kanye.
They don't want to hear his gospel music.
They're not trying to hear his ideology.
They want to hear his music.
And there's a whole famous thing like, we want the old Kanye.
We want the old Kanye.
Because they want the old fucking Kanye who made hits and not just us racist, anti-Semitic remarks.
That's not why people are tuning into Kanye.
You might be more in tune with that, but that's not his base.
Are you saying that?
Are you saying he's making racist, anti-Semitic remarks, or are you saying that people are saying that?
No, I am saying he's making anti-Semitic remarks.
Which one?
I mean, roll the tape, Haas.
What do you mean?
There's no way.
Okay, well, shit, name one.
The Jews did this.
Anytime they control your Hollywood, the ones they control.
Is that a lie?
Certain Jews.
Is that a lie?
Are they the only people that control?
I'm not saying that.
My question is, is it a lie?
How about this?
All Mexicans do this.
All Mexicans.
He's not saying all Mexicans.
He's not.
But no, Mexicans.
He's saying all Jews do this.
Who runs the most drugs in the world?
Mexicans do.
Is that a bad statement?
Is that a thing to say all Jews?
He didn't say all Jews.
He's never stated.
I didn't listen to him.
No, he did.
In the tweet, he said, I'm going DEF CON 3 on the Jews.
The.
Not all.
It's a very different thing, bro.
Ricky, you're going to listen to me.
The thing is, again, if you want to call out individuals.
Did you see the conversation he had with Lex Friedman?
Yes, of course.
You did?
Yes.
So did it resonate at all with you?
Bro, like I said, do you think it's more appropriate to call out individuals who did you wrong or groups of people?
No, 100%.
Individuals are wrong.
100% individuals.
Okay.
So then you're proving my point.
Whether it's Mexicans or Jews or Muslims or Asians, like anytime you go after groups.
Okay, I'll give you an example.
That's a problem.
And when we buy our jewelry, Hispanics, we say we buy it from the Armenians or we buy it from the Armenians or what's the other Orthodox Jews, probably.
Or the Jews.
We're not saying, oh, I bought it from John Joseph the jeweler.
We're saying we bought it from the Jews.
We bought it from the Armenians.
It's just a way of saying something.
No, you bought it from that Jewish guy who's not saying that.
No, that's not how we say it.
Who do you buy?
All Jews from the bottom.
So he's saying, when we had this conversation, I understand that, but we say when you have the car, who are you like, like, okay, in LA, like you say, like, you asked the African-American gangs, who you buy your drugs from?
The Mexicans.
Why do they say the gangbanger gangbanger Mexicans?
That's not what they're saying.
It's just a way of saying something.
That doesn't mean it's the whole group.
That's just, so again, I buy it from the Armenians downtown LA.
That's just a way of saying something.
It's just language, bro.
It's not that big of a deal.
But there is a difference between Hector, who's buying drugs off the Mexicans and that one guy, versus Kanye, who has a massive voice and what he's saying and what he's spewing.
So, by the way.
I get what you're saying.
By the way, I'm not denying that.
Kanye, talk your shit.
I do not agree that he should be silenced.
But if brands want to drop him, Balenciaga, Adidas, whoever, that's their choice.
I'm not denying what you're saying, bro.
What I'm just telling you is don't look.
You're looking too much into that because that's just what we say.
That's just how you speak.
That's just language.
You're not going to sit there and let me make a list of all the fucking people I'm talking about.
That's not how this works, bro.
Who you fuck?
I fuck with the Mexicans.
I fuck with the blacks.
That's just the way you talk.
That's the way we talk.
That's just the way that's lingo.
That's American lingo.
You don't got to get all crazy about that shit.
It's crazy.
You know what I mean?
So my question still hasn't been answered.
So who do you think is going to be, who do you think is going to have more likelihood of I think Kanye, Pat?
I think Kanye, because like, this is how America works.
He, for that one week, everybody was like, Kanye, oh my God, he's in.
Give him six months.
He'll be right back.
Well, Americans forget and forgive.
Some other shit will come up.
They'll forget about it.
He'll get what.
I mean, he walks in.
He's still on Twitter and Instagram.
He's still up there.
Which he should be.
I do not think he should be silenced.
And I'm Jewish.
And he's can I tell you a great story about Kanye?
So I've only met him once when it was an accidental meeting.
So when I lived in LA, I was in Encino and I was going to Equinox one morning.
And he used to go there.
I'd see him from a distance every now and again.
But there were a lot of guys.
There were a lot of ex-athletes.
I used to see Kenny Smith there all the time and Kevin Hart.
So comedians, athletes, whatever.
And one morning, I cannot function without coffee, which is why I walked in here with the coffee because I got here late and I don't have coffee in the morning.
I cannot think straight.
I would look at you and not know your name.
Like that's the level that it's just not right without coffee.
Anyway, somehow I ended up at the gym.
I was with a friend and I end up and I didn't have coffee and I'm walking in.
And you know when you have headphones in, when you have earbuds in, you're talking louder than you think that you're talking?
So I see Kevin Hart standing there and I see Kanye.
They're a few feet away from each other and they've got like all their guys.
And I'm not a Kanye.
I don't, I'm not a rap guy.
Like he didn't, you know, now everyone knows who he is or whatever.
But I loudly turned to my friend, not realizing how loudly I was saying it.
And I look, I'm looking at Kanye.
I'm like probably, you know, five feet away from Kanye.
And I turn to my friend and I'm like, isn't that what's his name?
And I pointed out Kanye.
I swear to God.
And he looked at me.
You know, he does that thing with his mouth.
He looked at me like he was about to freaking kill me.
And I just, I just kept moving and I walked right back.
I walked right upstairs.
That was it.
But he gave me the stare of death.
But absolutely.
Because I honestly couldn't remember who it was.
Like, it could have been P. Diddy.
It could have been Kanye.
Today it was just another black.
I know.
I knew he was someone.
But in that moment, not coffee.
I couldn't remember.
You blaming it on the not coffee day.
Well, I knew he was someone.
You must have a very unique perspective on what's going on with Kanye right now because obviously you're a pro free speech guy.
You're more of a coffee.
I would agree with what you're saying.
I would agree with what you said.
He can say whatever he wants.
I don't want anyone jailed because of speech or anything like that.
But every company has their right to break ties with him if that's what they see as Americans.
They also may realize in the long term it isn't.
You know, the best example of this to me would be what happened with Roseanne Barr during when she said that, what was her name?
She said she looked like a monkey and that's what got me.
Now, Roseanne Barr, we were friendly for a while.
The idea that she's racist is insane, like that this woman has any hatred in her heart or whatever.
Okay.
But putting that aside, even she had the number one show on television.
Remember, they had rebooted.
They rebooted Roseanne, the Connors.
It was the number one show on television.
It was an offhand remark that she meant nothing by, and they took her out.
I, even though I was friendly with her, I tweeted out.
I said, look, she's entitled to say what she wants, and ABC is entitled to continue that relationship or not.
I think it was a bad move by ABC.
It doesn't help with any healing.
It makes people hate more and all that stuff.
But that's exactly the situation we're in right now.
It just is.
And it's better than the alternative.
What's the alternative?
That people can just say stuff and everyone's locked into maintaining relationships with everybody.
You want choice.
Hang on.
Where does that line get drawn?
Because, all right, so you have Kanye, right?
Balenciaga cuts ties.
Adidas cuts ties.
CAA cuts ties.
Everybody cuts ties.
Fine.
Those are his sponsors, right?
But now Chase has booted him out.
He said all your money.
Or look at Andrew Paul.
Right.
Andrew Tate lost Stripe, Uber, Discord, PayPal, every way to get money or to make money.
So the banking layer, I think, is a different situation.
And there should be some kind of common carrier stuff there.
And this is where my libertarian part of me kind of gets to the end of the road.
Because, you know, look, Alex Jones, you may not like Alex Jones, but I think we would all agree he's entitled to have a telephone, right?
That he should be able to make a call and the government shouldn't listen.
And he can be a bad dude on a telephone.
So no one's for ATT stopping Alex Jones from being on there.
And I would say banks have to be somewhat similar to that.
This is probably where crypto ultimately is the answer, despite a couple bad things over here.
And I guess Kyrie Irving posted something that had some type of connotation with anti-Semitic stuff.
But he had to go to like five different rehabilitation meetings.
So that kind of mafia stuff, like you got to apologize to the ADL and all that.
None of that does anything.
It doesn't make anyone less anti-Semitic.
It doesn't lower the temperature.
It makes everything look ridiculous.
Oh, I gave $500,000.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, like none of that stuff works.
I think the way things work is you talk to people.
Exactly.
You explain why these ideas are noxious and historically bad and all those things.
But the bank layer, I think, is the key one here, right?
Like that's honestly, if any of us were all going into business together, that's the thing that you do.
And that's a massive risk.
By the way, I don't know.
You mentioned Andrew Tate.
Jake Paul just posted this today.
If you want to play this, this should be interesting.
So apparently him and Jake Paul faced off.
I mean, that looks serious.
Who's that guy in the middle?
He's going to do nothing to break that stuff.
That looks like me.
That looks like me and Benny's in the middle.
If there is a fight that people would watch, that would watch this.
You know what fight is going on this weekend?
It's going to be Dustin 48 against Michael Chandler.
This is the fight.
Oh, my God.
By the way, I thought it would be more Logan Paul than Jake Paul.
I think that's the fight people want to see.
They actually have beef.
This feels staged to me.
And Jake Paul.
Sorry, I think Logan Paul and Tate genuinely have beef.
This feels like a little concocted.
Would you?
Where is it, though?
Where would this be?
Is this in Miami?
Is this in Europe?
Is this in the States whatsoever, Tate?
It'd probably be in Dubai.
I got to be honest, I'm not an MMA guy.
I know everybody that has a podcast legally, you have to be an MMA guy.
You have to talk about it all.
Like, you give me like Jake the Snake Roberts versus Andre the Giant.
I'm very happy.
But Jake Paul.
You could tell you grew up with 80s wrestling.
By the way, who wins that fight?
Tate versus not Tate.
Not Tate Peterson.
Not if you've seen Tate box.
He's not.
Dude, he's a kickboxer.
He's slow.
And his feet don't move.
And here's my thing with all these Pauls and notes.
You're going to root against the top G, bro.
How are you going to do that?
I respect what's the age difference here.
It's like everybody was so excited when Anderson Silva got beat.
I said, Anderson Silva's 48.
Tom Gray.
He's home to the Super Bowl, buddy.
This is a fight.
That's a football game.
Not a boxing Dutch.
It's not like Tate's some old washed up guy.
I think he's 36 years old.
36, 38.
Listen, I respect the hustle, but the craft of box, bro.
These to me are jokes.
Like you just said, he beat up.
No, Silva's 50 years old, bro.
You're in your 20s.
He's an MMA fighter.
How about this?
You know what I would pay and I would not illegally stream?
Yeah, I'm saying it.
If he fights, if one of these guys fights a real MMA guy, fight a real, like, fight a Michael Mike Chandler.
No, fight a guy.
Or fight a box.
Fight nobody.
That's a legitimate box.
Way at this point in their careers, Tate and Paul, who is more hated across the world?
Paul.
You think Paul?
I think Paul.
Paul.
Yeah.
You think Paul is more hated?
Yep.
People love Tate.
I'm on TV.
People love Tate.
I like Tate.
He's a G.
I love Tate.
He's a True.
Oh, by the way, shout out to Kate Velasquez.
He just got bailed out yesterday.
Millie really?
Yes.
Million dollar bond.
They were not wanting him to bail out, and he bailed out a million dollar bond after eight months.
So he went after the guy that either molested or did something to his knees or necks.
And then he accidentally shot the driver of the car that had the guy.
Did the guy die?
No, he didn't.
Well, then, then, dude, I'm sorry.
He got out last night.
So shout out to Kate Velasquez.
Good for him.
By the way, shout out to Vinny.
This is the first time I've heard him acknowledge he was willing to pay for a fight.
He steals everything.
Adam.
So he's from New York.
He's in New York.
He's from New York.
What am I doing over here?
Tate is in Dubai.
That was not in Miami.
That wasn't Dubai.
Tate's not in Dubai.
That's what the fight would be.
Ty.
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Dave, thanks for coming up, man.
This was fantastic.
As usual, it was great.
Yes, tragic.
Tragic.
What do you have on your agenda right now?
Like, what's going on?
Well, my show is normally at 11 a.m., so we're going to 2 p.m. today.
And then I got some pre-tape stuff.
And maybe I'll shoot some hoops tonight.
I'm playing again.
It's very exciting after.
What are we going to ball, buddy?
What are we balling?
All right, we're going to ball.
We're going to ball.
I mean, are you going like hardcore?
Like, I wear three freaking braces.
Oh, he's smart.
One question.
And I'm playing with a bunch of guys.
I know you got to rap, but play with a bunch of guys that it's all middle-aged.
So every week someone's dead.
Send it into the merger instead of this weekend.
Oh, you know, no autopsy, no power.
Classic.
Anyways, hey, have a great weekend, guys.
Before you wrap up, I'm sorry.
What's that?
This weekend, tomorrow, is Veterans Day.
Thanks.
So I'm doing a special show today, saluting the veterans and tomorrow and SASCAP.
Who you got on?
Later today.
A couple veterans.
Okay.
One sex expert who used to be a veteran, so we'll keep it sexy with the veterans.
But, you know, thank you for your support.
My man, yes.
This is you.
This is you.
And Vinu too, everybody.
Hey, you forgot about me all the time?
I just give you a shout out that you're not stealing any of the cake lists.
