The Reality Of The Latin Community w/ Rick Sanchez | PBD Podcast | Ep. 169
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PBD Podcast Episode 169. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Rick Sanchez, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick.
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0:00 - Intro
5:08 - Latinos in America
28:45 - Pitbull messaging to the Latino community
47:48 - Joe Rogan saying he doesn't want Donald Trump on his Podcast
1:08:30 - Who is going to run as president?
1:24:32 - Teacher shortage in Florida
1:33:16 - Biden allowed 5 million barrels from the national reserve to go abroad
1:39:18 - 4 July shooting in Highland Park
1:49:28 - The importance of values and principles
We are live today with the legendary Rick Sanchez from Miami, who has a podcast called Rick Sanchez News on Apple Podcasts.
He runs a company called Agua, another one that he was a CMO part of the debate.
You're upset.
Am I hearing the sound now?
Is that the intro?
You guys are flipping.
They're messing with you?
Is this a prank?
The prank crew in the bank.
Tell us what you're doing.
Can I go or no?
You just got to give me the green.
Okay, sounds good.
Are we live right now?
Is this happening?
No, listen.
They're having one too many drinks in a pack, which is totally fine.
Anyways, Rick Sanchez is on.
If you don't know him, you didn't watch TV.
I don't know.
Miami, he's like, he can't walk in the streets of Miami.
He's a legend.
I grew up watching this.
But he's the kicker, though.
The kicker that we just learned is he goes from being a guy with CNN, doing all the stuff that he's doing, the controversy with Cooper or Jon Stewart, which John said, that's not a big deal, what he said, to being a CMO of a company that just went public, Kano Health, as a co-founder that just went public at $4.4 billion valuation, which is kind of cool.
Bought himself a nice place, won't tell you where it is, but in a very good place.
Rick, great to have you on the podcast.
It's great to be here, Pat.
Yeah.
You know, I'm a fan.
Ever since you hit, you know, people say this to me all the time.
I did not grow up watching you, by the way.
So, Adam, did you get that?
I'm right there with you.
But I will say this, that you've had a very alluring effect on people ever since you've hit the airways, man.
So you're doing a good job.
I don't know what it is, but you draw people in, dude.
So that's a very good thing.
Apparently, what Vinny and Adam tried to say today is what it is, is most people can't guess my age.
And apparently, Adam's friends think I'm in my mid-50s, late 50s.
Shocked that he's in his early 40s.
Shocked.
Shocked that he's in his early 40s.
But it's not that you seem old.
It's just you carry yourself.
Yeah, don't you?
Wise demeanor.
You already took the shot.
Own it up.
You know, it's totally fine.
I shoot myself on the foot more than anybody.
And I even said it before.
Being this big, this big of a personality, this big just as a person, he could not be nothing else but being this guy.
Pat can't be a freaking Uber driver because, A, he wouldn't fit in the car.
But number two, this, what else would you do?
I'd be the leader in five stars.
I'd have 100%.
You'd have to waters out.
You're Middle Eastern people.
It's funny.
I'm going to get away with them.
I would tell them jokes.
I recharge you to the back of the seat.
By the way, I can see you as a funny as hell Uber driver.
If we did like a mock of Uber, we tested him on.
We get him to be an Uber driver for it, then we record it.
That's 100% hilarious.
100% driving.
FYI.
Uber driver in Hialeah, by the way.
Yeah, I'm in.
Hey, so Vinny's got a new thing coming out, guys.
I just want to preface this.
Please do not be offended when it comes out.
And if you are, I'm totally okay with that.
So Vinny's got a new skit coming out.
And I'm on the road.
I don't know where I'm at.
I'm on the road.
I get a text message sent to me with a picture saying, Vinny's, no joke.
Vinny's walking around the office in a G-string.
I don't know what that is.
I have no clue what this is.
It's the story of who, what the guy was.
I don't want to give away too much, but a guy that works in the office, Rick, and he was in a freak paper shredding accident.
But he's one of those guys that just loves his job.
They brought him back, and he just said, listen, I don't want to sue.
Just let me keep my job and just don't make me feel weird at work.
And he's in the office and he doesn't have any arms.
So you can imagine what he uses.
Anyway, so it's going to be interesting to see how the audience responds to it.
Anyways, we've got a lot of things to cover today.
Rick, I want to get some of your thoughts and feedback.
Obviously, you being from you being Cuban, I want to know who the most influential Hispanic is that's dictating the direction politics are going in the fastest growing community in America, which is Hispanics.
It's the most important vote today that both sides are trying to win over.
And they're paying very, very close attention to it.
Some events that took place in Highland Park.
We have to talk about the tragic event that took place in Highland Park this week.
And some of the stuff just makes no sense, by the way.
Rogan's comments on Trump that he said he would never have him on the podcast.
Dev reached out.
He said no.
I'm going to hear some comments.
We had a friendly wager on that.
Yeah, we attempted to.
Yeah, but you said no, though.
You said no, you're chicken out.
I thought you were giving me good odds and good odds.
He said he would never do it.
Why would I give you good odds?
We'll get into it.
So anyways, Rep Adam Kinzinger releases explicit laced audio of numerous calls to D.C. office threatening violence.
Frustrated Democrats express alarm over Biden's powerlessness.
Tens of millions of people are on lockdown in China.
Governor Newsom enjoys Montana vacation despite LGBTQ state travel ban.
TikTok admits China-based employees can access over U.S. user data.
This is a weird story.
This next one.
Largest teachers union.
Florida is 9,000 teachers short for the upcoming school year.
And then we got a couple other stories that we'll get into.
Let's start with what you first mentioned because I think that's really fascinating.
Latinos, right, in the United States, because this goes to what you mentioned a little while ago with Cano Health as well.
It's a frustrating time to be a Latino in the United States.
We're a community that is somewhat leaderless.
And let me just give you some basic numbers.
If you're at home taking notes, this is why I am now founding Agua Media with the proceeds from Cano Health, essentially.
I don't want to get a yacht and just go around the Caribbean.
I want to do something that's important for this country, important as a Latino American who lives in the United States.
And it's this.
Look, we are the third fastest growing GDP in the world, only behind China and India and ahead of the United States itself.
In case you missed that, let me say it again.
Latinos in America, if they were a country, would be the third fastest growing GDP nationwise in the world, ahead of the United States and only behind China and India and catching up.
In terms of total GDP, Latinos in the United States are the seventh largest GDP if they were a nation in the world.
And I know because I know some of the folks at Stanford who are preparing the next report that we're about to move up on that list.
I mean, and when you look at Latinos in the United States, just general numbers.
Common age of a Latino in America, 11.
Wow.
Common age of a white Anglo-Saxon in America?
58.
Where do you think the future lies?
I mean, you could look at from a consumer standpoint.
I mean, the economics are literally undeniable at this point.
And yet.
Did you say 11?
11.
Wow.
Common age, according to the Pew study, of a Latino in America.
And by the way, common age, not average age.
Common age is more of a mode.
It's a mode.
So the mode is the combination of both the average and something else.
So in other words, if you were to look at all the Latinos, what would be the one that would find that 11.
Without getting too much into the metrics, you're basically saying white people are getting older and they're dying soon and Latinos are getting younger and hotter.
Yeah, that's why they hired him here.
That's exactly why he's I thought it was more like Latinos have more sex than white people.
I was just going to say better at making babies.
Hopefully it's not the 11-year-olds that are.
Well, I think the number, keep it clean.
We could look it up, but I think the number on that is that, you know, if you want to say white people or whatever we want to call them, have index where they're not yet doing one, recreating themselves.
They're less than one person in terms of breeding, right?
To use a word that maybe we shouldn't.
Latinos, on the other hand, are close to duplicating themselves almost to the point of two.
So yes, Latinos have a tendency.
Maybe it's a Catholic team.
But please continue.
These stats are very interesting.
So common age 11, Latino, common age white is 58.
Here's another one that I think is fascinating.
Latinos under the age of 41, 95% of them speak English.
80%.
Under 41, 95% speak English.
Not down in Little Havana, bro.
No, Cloudoca.
No.
80% are U.S. citizens.
So the reason I'm saying these things is because it flies in the face of what we see on television, whether you're watching CNN or Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity.
It's all the same.
I mean, it's either looking at Latinos and patting them on the head and saying, good Latino, good Latino, very good.
Oh, we love you.
Or on Fox News, where they tend to be a little more aggressive in their coverage of Latino because everything is about the border and we got to shut it down because these people are coming over here.
Either way, the representation doesn't exist.
Less than 2% of the people who appear on cable news or national news are Latino.
Whereas if you look at other cohorts, it's much, much higher.
So let's just do the numbers.
Latinos are 20% of the population in the United States.
In the next 10 years, we might be essentially one-fourth of the population.
And yet Hollywood casts us 37% of the time as criminals and 27% of the times as workers, losers, kind of people who are not successful.
So they, in a sense, are putting into the mind of the American populace who we are.
And then the cable news channels run with it and do all this other stuff.
And what you have in the end is a lack of representation, you know, a lack of being able to understand what this cohort is that lives in America, which, by the way, was here before the Pilgrims.
The first Thanksgiving was celebrated by Spanish people in St. Augustine, not at Plymouth Rock in Massachusetts.
And it was 70 years before.
And there was actually a second one in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
So the history of Latinos, the numbers of Latinos, the data that I'm sharing with you speaks to the fact that this is a cohort which is in many ways driving the U.S. economy.
And as you said, Vince, is going to be driving the U.S. economy for a long time.
So for me, it's frustrating as a Latino seeing this, having my experiences in big media, as you mentioned.
I've worked at Fox.
I've worked at all these places.
And I've never seen them being able to grasp this.
Now, when I left CNN and I had to do something and I used my brand, which I think is an interesting story, as you said, Patrick, where I was able to take the Rick Sanchez brand, people know who I am.
I'm a pretty good writer.
I know a little bit about marketing and I know a little bit about messaging because I've been doing it all my life.
I've interviewed four presidents, Mikel Gorbachev, Fidel Castro.
I've got three Peabody's.
I've got five Emmys.
I know a little bit about this business.
So I use that to help create a new healthcare company that we started that just called Cano Health.
And Cano Health has done very well.
And we started.
And three and a half to four years later, we went public.
And it's a $4.4 billion company.
And when that happened, my wife and I slapped each other fives and she said, let's get a yacht and take off.
And I said, no.
The one thing I've always wanted to do is create a space, an outlet for Latinos in the United States.
And that is why now I'm creating Agua Media a lot like what you guys are doing here, Patrick, which is based out of what's based out of Miami.
Based out of South Dakota.
Okay.
So by the way, I think timing of it is great with what you're doing with Agua Media.
Who would be right now?
So right now, when I talk to Hispanics and I ask them who they go to to get their political advice or political philosophies, the Jesus of political philosophies for the Hispanic community is Jorge Ramos.
I mean, he's the guy, right?
What made Jorge?
Yes and no.
Well, I mean, so who would be the other side of the world?
Well, the only reason I'm going to push back on you on that is because Jorge Ramos barely speaks English.
So if you go by the statistics that I just shared with you, 95% under 41 speak English, of those, I think it's 75% primarily speak English, and something like 45% don't even know how to speak Spanish.
So those people barely even know who the hell Jo Jorge Ramos is.
But the Jorge Ramos influence their parents and their parents influence the kids.
So influence is going through what he's done to the parents.
So why do you think parents, and I think it's important for the audience to know this?
Why don't we go to this first and I'll go to the parent side with Jorge Ramos?
What is the difference between a Cuban political philosophy versus a Mexican versus a Puerto Rican and versus some others?
Honduras, you know, you got other Hispanic, because it's not even when you're saying Hispanic, they don't all lean the same way politically.
No, no, no.
And you could say, by the way, and, you know, you could say the same thing about everyone, but to answer your question more directly, the Latinos who have come to the United States recently and fled an oppressive political regime, as opposed to Latinos who have come to the United States over the years fleeing from what are oppressive economic conditions are two different types of individuals.
So the Cuban comes here, like the Vietnamese come here, like the Venezuelans come here, which is what we see in Miami for the most part.
And they're angry.
They're angry that they got a guy like Castro or a guy like Chavez who's taken over their country, who's a freaking totalitarian communist SOB.
And so as soon as they get here, they hitch their wagon to the Republican Party because the Republican Party is the one that's always yelling, you know, comunista, comunista, comunista.
And they come here yelling, comunista, comunista, comunista, so it's a perfect match.
That sense, obviously, as you said, is more adherent in the older communities among the Cubans and the Venezuelans and the ones who have recently arrived.
So that's the reason for that.
It's a political feeling.
It's almost like I've been put upon, I'm in America.
This country is anti-communist and the Republican Party is anti-communist.
So this is why I'm going to go with this party.
The Honduran Americans, the Mexican Americans, the others out west, for example, and even to a certain extent, Puerto Ricans who live in New York, the New York Recons, they see it a little bit differently.
They've been here for a longer period of time and they're more ingrained and they're less political and they're more economic.
So they see the world a little bit differently.
They tend to hang with the Democratic Party or the more progressive way of looking at things.
And those are the reasons for those two ideological or political ideologies.
But when you really break them down, everything else, they're pretty much the same.
They go to the same church.
They're both hardworking.
They're both into family.
They're very traditional.
All the things about.
Very much so.
Very much so.
The values of the Hispanic community across the board.
I mean, the insurance company we run, we're 42% Hispanic, and it's not from one area.
We have them all in a company and hardworking, strong family, rowdy, fun to be around, very attractive energy the way they are.
They enjoy having fun.
They're good people to be around.
But you sit there and you say, so the party you said about Jorge Ramos, okay, so you said Jorge Ramos is the ones that are older, the population that follows Jorge Ramos' influence.
Okay.
So if Jorge Ramos is older and those who speak English don't follow Jorge Ramos or follow on AOC.
So both ways, they're getting the same messaging from the same philosophies, but they escaped a lot of the stuff that those two are selling them.
Yeah, and AOC, I don't see her as Latina.
I mean, she came out with something last week saying that anybody who doesn't use the term Latinx should not be considered.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I mean, are you crazy?
I mean, Latinx.
First of all, why do we have to change our name?
Latina is a beautiful word, by the way.
Of course.
Latina is a beautiful word.
And that Latina can't call herself Latina anymore.
She has to call herself Latinx.
The language of my parents, the language of my grandparents, the language that comes from Spain, we have to change and all of a sudden call it Latinx because AOC decided that we should be.
What the?
What the?
What is Latinx, by the way?
I have no idea.
I don't even know.
Like some think tech, some liberal think tank somewhere decided we're going to change.
Why don't you change all the Irish people to Irish X?
You know, it's never going to stop.
Persian X. You know, whatever the hell you are.
I don't know.
There's no trying to figure it out.
I mean, why do we get the act?
And the crazy thing is, I'm telling you right now, AOC, when she gets to that point, she's going to run for president.
And that type of person with her hip and texting and tweeting, those are the type of people that are going to win the presidency when it comes around to their time.
And let me tell you something else.
And let me tell you something else about Latinx.
The only people who use the term Latinx are not Latinos.
Yeah, exactly.
Of course.
3% of Latinos don't even know what the hell it is anymore.
The other ones hate it.
I saw 98% of Latinos don't want to be called Latinx.
No, they hate it.
This is what Patrick is getting at.
Who the hell out there is creating the rules for Latinos because they're obviously not Latinos.
Well, let me ask you, because I think this is the same thing.
I didn't mean to go there.
No, no, no.
That was great.
You're killing me.
That was great.
What I think you're saying is, and what Pat's question was, is that Latinos are not monolithic.
No.
It's a very diverse group.
But before you get too far on being not monolithic, who the hell is?
Yeah, no, America.
No one's monolithic.
But that's my point.
I think there's a place where I can bring them together with Agua Media.
And that's why we're doing Agua Media.
And that's why I do stories.
And in the middle of the stories, I stop and tell the viewer, let me give you a Latino perspective on this story.
So whether I'm doing foreign policy, Ukraine, China, Lucasia, what I do is I try to do what everybody else has always done in this culture, except Latinos.
We've not been allowed to do it.
Go into the media, mainstream or whatever the hell you want to call it, and tell a story with a little bit of our perspective, a little bit of our juice, a little bit of our DNA, because there ain't nobody out there doing it.
The last guy who did it was some dude on CNN named Rick Sanchez, and they fired him and they've never replaced him.
So you don't see anymore, there's not one guy on television in America who happens to be Latino anymore.
They don't exist.
You don't consider Hervaldo Rivera Latino?
Is he still alive?
No, actually, his mustaches.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
But to say that he has a nationality.
Why do you think there is not a bigger platform for Latinos?
I mean, there's 30% of America.
You're saying, or 20%?
25%.
Why aren't there numerous Latinos on TV?
That is the question for the ages.
And that is why Agua Media was born.
And that's why Saul Trujillo and I have come together to create this entity.
Because I think if ain't nobody else going to do it, maybe it's time we do it ourselves.
So we want to create something akin to what you guys are doing here, where we're able to essentially find spaces in the media where we can tell all the stories that everybody else is already hearing, but with our DNA, our perspective.
What do you think worked for Jorge Ramos?
What made Jorge Ramos as famous as he is today, as influential in the Hispanic community, Latino community as he is today?
Slam dunk.
First of all, let me start with this.
Great guy, great journalist, adheres to journalistic principles, forthright, telegenic, handsome, looks good, Mexican.
So all of that was there.
So from a casting standpoint, he's cast right.
But here's really the most important thing.
When somebody had the brainstorm of thinking, you know, it's funny, we've got all these, we've got all these Oyers living in America, right?
We've got all these Hispanics living in America, and they don't have a television channel.
They don't have a television network.
So let's begin something called Univision.
So the essence, the creation, the business idea to flourish a concept of a Spanish-speaking television network was brilliant.
And once they did that and they implemented the news and they chose Jorge Ramos, whether it had been Jorge Ramos or anybody else, it would have been successful.
It was more successful with Jorge because he was cast correctly.
So that's it.
Right place, right time, Patrick.
And then his messaging, how is his messaging connecting with the Hispanic audience?
Because all that I get, all that stuff I get, fine, but he's more than just looks and a guy that gets on and talks.
He's got strong opinions.
He's got strong, you know, beliefs.
How did that connect with the Hispanic audience the way it has?
Well, you know, it's funny.
A lot of the folks that I've hired, I've taken from Univision because, you know, terrestrial television, for the most part, is kind of, you know, weakening, shall we say?
So there's a lot of people who are real smart out there who are available.
So I get into conversations with a lot of these guys and they tell me what it was like in the beginning when they first started.
But let me give you my opinion.
I don't want to be like Univision.
I don't want to be like Telemundo.
I don't want to be like Jorge Ramos, though I love Jorge Ramos and we're good friends and I respect the hell out of him.
Because what they have had to do for their audience is bring it down, Patrick, to victimization.
So if you were to do a content analysis of their newscasts, for example, or their content in general, what you would find is that they tend to do the woe is me a lot.
This poor guy was put upon, was stopped by police and beat up, and he's the lead story.
This lady didn't get her food stamps, et cetera, et cetera.
So rather than what I think is the message that I've been talking about here, Latinos are driving the U.S. economy.
We are leading in entrepreneurship.
A Latino is more apt to start a business in America right now than any other cohort.
Latinos are hiring people at a faster pace than any other cohort.
Again, you're not hearing that from Jorge Ramos and Univision.
You're getting the victimization stories.
And that in and of itself plays into the scene of, oh, poor guys, poor Latinos.
I don't want, this should not be about poor Latinos.
Oh, look at them.
Rachel Maddow's patting us on the head.
It should be about, look at these mother, look at these guys.
Look what they're doing.
Look how important they are to the U.S. economy.
And rather than putting up a fence and keeping them out while we send our jobs to Vietnam, we should be letting them in and saying, hey, we need to start more plants and creating people here who work their asses off.
But I got a question for you.
So let me push back on that a little bit.
Okay.
So the woe is me.
Oh, my gosh.
Look, they're never looking at us.
They don't do anything.
Look how poor we are.
Look how this we are.
Okay.
We are seeing MSNBC is replacing Rachel Mattow with Alex Wagner, I believe.
So they're going a completely different direction with Rachel Matter.
That announcement came back yesterday, right?
You're starting to see MSNBC and CNN kind of sit there and say, the Russia scandal that we kept talking about kind of backfired on us.
Guys, we got to go a different direction.
You're kind of seeing Zucker had to get fired.
Somebody had to get fired to show that, well, the whole guy behind all of this stuff was Zucker.
And then Crew Como is gone.
And this guy's gone.
And that guy's gone.
So they have to revamp the whole imaging because they realized that messaging didn't work for CNN or MSNBC.
Rogan is destroying them.
Tucker is destroying them.
And that's just the truth.
Podcasters are killing them.
Shapiro is doing laps around them.
And I can give you a bunch of these other statistics.
You see them, you're in the world, right?
Meaning that messaging didn't resonate with their audience.
My question for you is, why is Ramos' messaging of woe is me resonating with the Hispanic audience?
Because they speak Spanish and where else are they going to go?
There's only two networks, Telemundo and Univision, and they basically spit the ratings.
If all you have is a store, if you have three supermarkets and 50% of the population is Latino in your neighborhood, and one of them is Hungarian, and the other one is gringo, and the third one is Latino, where is that 50% going to buy their goods?
They're going to buy it at the Latino store.
You could make the same argument for Univision and Telemundo.
They just happen to be placed in such a place where that's the only place you can go to get your stuff.
Unfortunately, for them, that population, the population that only wants to get their information or their content to Spanish, is diminishing, if not dying off to a certain extent.
Is Univision, would you say Univision and Telemundo, do they lean left?
Hardcore.
Hardcore?
Both of them?
Sure, sure.
They almost have to.
I mean, you're talking, I mean, what are you going to get?
A guy who came to the United States last week, came here for economic conditions.
The story that you write for him and prepare for him is usually one more of, as I said earlier, more of a woe-is-me kind of story.
And that's where I don't like the victimization thing to come in.
And that doesn't mean that I want to lean right either, because I don't think that's correct either.
Because unfortunately, there are too many forces on the right, including my buddies over there, my buddy Tark Tucker at Fox News, who too often don't understand the things that I'm talking about right now, Vincy, where essentially they're, you know, they speak of Latinos as if the only thing they can say about Latinos is that they crossed the border last week, they came here, and they're going to rape your daughter.
And I'm sorry, but that's just bullshit, you know?
So just like I criticize the left or progressive media or whatever the hell they want to call themselves for being, for underrepresenting Latinos, you look at some of the messages that are coming out of the hard right media and it's like, guys, come on.
I don't think that's what they're saying.
I don't think they're saying people are going to come from Mexico and they're going to do this.
I think they're saying these guys that have a record of this, San Francisco, why are you letting them out again and again and again?
And why are you doing that one story?
I can show you statistics right now that shows that not only are Latinos under-indexing in crime in the United States, but they're actually like in last place when it comes to committing crimes.
And you know who commits the fewest crimes?
Immigrants.
Illegal immigrants, as they call them.
They're not raised or I mean they live in the shadows, but every time one undocumented immigrant has a DUI or has something, front page, and I'll tell them that's not the story he should be doing.
But wait a minute.
Okay, so go there.
So go there.
So if you're saying the same thing Jorge Ramos was doing by the way.
But I get that.
But what I'm saying, but the difference is the messaging is you don't need the government to take care of you.
Ramos' message is, Univision Television, you know, all these other guys is, hey, we need the government to do more for us.
No, you need to go take your work thing and do something for yourself like you did over there because you guys are known for being hardest workers.
Correct.
So go do something with your life, not a woe is me, let me go help you out, all this stuff like you said earlier.
But going there so you're a little above.
But say the border part.
Say the border part.
Okay, let's talk about the border.
So if you're saying illegal immigrants are the least to commit crime in America, undocumented, okay, so why don't we just open up the border and let everybody come up here?
I think that would be ridiculous and stupid.
Wait a minute, but why?
If they're the least to commit crimes, let's just open it up because they're the least to commit crime.
Well, no, I think I was using reductio absurdum to make a point, right?
I mean, I'm using a logical argument that says if you're going to argue that the biggest problem we have in America right now is we're about to hit a recession because of inflation, which is caused by the supply chain, where we don't have any goods that are made in this country.
How stupid is that?
We could fix that overnight.
We have the best workforce in the world right now here, Latinos, the best workforce in the world.
They work two, three jobs on average.
The average non-Latino in the United States, we could barely get them to sign up for a job at Target making $17 an hour right now.
So what does that tell you?
We have a reliable, capable workforce that we are underusing.
Think like a business person that we are underusing, and we could employ them somehow by intelligently figuring out how to get the right amount of people over here from Mexico or wherever the hell so that they can help our economy.
Am I saying, does that mean, oh, just open the border willy-nilly and let them all in here, including the badasses and the pieces of crap?
Obviously not.
But neither party, neither Republicans or Democrats, have sat down, with the exception of Ronald Reagan, who was the last guy to do this, and say, let's come up with a cogent, intelligent way of being able to control the border by allowing a certain amount of people in based on the necessity of our country at that time.
We can't even get that right, Paul.
But you know what?
Because you said intelligent.
Am I wrong?
You said an intelligent way to do it.
They can't intelligently find out.
They can't.
And I just moved in from California.
And what's happening?
Especially this administration's attitude is just like, just come on in.
And then I asked the question, it's everybody.
What is their goal?
Are they just telling these people, hey, listen, when they come in, just remember, we let you in.
We didn't want to vet you or anything.
Vote Democrat.
That's what happens, bro.
The problem is neither party can come up with a cogent plan that works.
You know who's messaging.
You know whose messaging to me is extremely, I don't know if he has any aspirations or not, but the way he gives his messaging is so freaking attractive to increase, to improve a population or community is Pitbull.
The way Pitbull talks about how he was growing up listening to Tony Robbins in the car with his mom driving down and she was doing what she was doing and he found a way to get out and he did this and he did that and he's driving responsibility.
That messaging is a very strong messaging that the Hispanic community can attach to versus, hey, they don't do anything for us.
They don't do anything for this.
First of all, America doesn't owe anybody anything.
Agreed.
Agreed.
You use your work ethic that you have.
You can do anything you want to do in America.
Obviously, you're not going to be the next LeBron James if you can't jump 46 inches, but this is America.
Or if your dad didn't get you into Harvard, even though you had a C average because he was an alum there and has connections.
So let's be honest about this, Patrick.
There is something to say about a country that right now is allowing not the finest to become successful, but the ones who come here with the, I know, there's guys like you and me.
I came from poverty.
Who are you alluding to, though?
Who are you alluding to?
The guys that go to Harvard?
Like who?
No, I'm talking about us wanting to make Elon Musk a hero.
His dad owned a diamond mine.
I mean, come on, let's face it.
He isn't.
That doesn't mean that he grew up poor.
That doesn't mean he grew up rich.
But there is a difference, to be fair, between a guy who comes to this country, has to really work his butt off to make it, and these guys who had it on Easy Street and are looking at poor people.
Primea Riverick.
Primea flipping river.
You chose to come to this country.
Go to another country.
Let me get this straight.
So you just said you come to this country and this country has to give you to the people that have been here for a while.
It's like me saying.
No, You misunderstood me.
But you're saying.
No, What I'm saying is that they have an advantage.
They should have an advantage.
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is that there's an argument that still exists, that there's some things about our country that we can fix to make sure everybody has an equal power.
That's not going to happen, though.
It's just not going to happen, bro.
And I'm telling you right now, and it doesn't have to.
That's simple.
It doesn't have to improve.
Look, for me, we came from Iran to U.S.
The U.S. gave us a green card.
We came in.
U.S. doesn't owe me shit except for the green card they gave me.
That's it.
I don't need to have the same advantage or the same equal opportunity as John F. Kennedy's grandson.
I don't need to have that.
I agree.
Yes.
I agree.
I am your story.
My parents made $10,000 combined with pure poverty.
I get that.
But that story needs to be told.
Not the story of we need to figure out a way to make it equal.
It's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen.
Like, well, take it.
It's just not for me to say, hey, it's unfair that, you know, we need to make it equal that LeBron's kids can play basketball because they're, yeah, I'm totally okay with that.
I'm totally okay with that.
Not if they're only five feet tall.
But the point, so something like Shannon Sharp says one time, he says, look, I understand the argument.
I was born with this body.
I got a badass body.
And it's unequal opportunity to you and I versus Shannon Sharp.
You look at the guy, he's just got it, right?
So we're going to say, hey, work out less.
Hey, do me a favor, do a little bit less legs.
Can you run a little slower?
Can you, you know, that's not, this is how it was created.
So for us to come here and be able to compete, Elon Musk was an immigrant when he came here.
And Elon Musk was able to build a company and we should actually get the kids.
Again, this goes back to a conversation we had a few months ago where we have to be careful who we turn into hero, where our kids aspire to be.
If we demonize people that are heroes, our kids don't want to be like those people.
So let me just say this.
Let me just say this.
Maybe this is the way I should present my argument, pushing back on you a little bit.
Sure.
That it's all about we're all equal and everybody's the same and we all get to the same place and it's all about your merit, which I understand.
And if it's a meritocracy and if it's truly a meritocracy, I'm all for it.
But if we live in a country where a specific company can get subsidies from the government because they lobbied certain politicians and those politicians accepted the money and then allowed that company to have an advantage over my company in a corrupt way, then we got to fix that.
And some of that is happening in America today.
Well, you're talking about lobbying and corrupt.
I'm talking about if you could just make the argument that everybody.
There's no way that Pat's going to disagree with you on that.
That's something that Pat advocates against nonstop.
We have an obvious six weeks ago.
I'm so against what the lobbyists are doing.
Yeah, exactly.
So all I'm saying is within our system, there are advantages for certain people who have certain money.
Okay.
Those are two different stories.
I took it out of the immigrant basis.
No, fuck that.
I get that.
What do you think?
Those are two different stories.
What I think your perspective is, and this is just me sitting on your right for two years now.
It's all you owe me once you let me in the country is the opportunity to succeed or fail.
Yeah.
Just you let me in.
And they say nobody cares, work harder.
That's basically your perspective.
You let me in.
Thank you.
It's on me now.
And Pat, your mom and dad, and that's his process, right?
That's his story.
They had to wait in line and they had to wait till they get their card and they came in here.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
But by the way, absolutely.
We lived at a refugee camp for a year and a half.
By the way, you know, everyone at this table has the same story.
My family fled Eastern Europe in the 1920s and all settled here in America.
Your family fled Cuba.
His family fled.
My parents came on a bullet for 30 days.
Immigration gets complicated, though, guys.
And that's why I keep going back to we need a system to make it make sense because right now it doesn't make sense.
And here's what happens right now.
I'll give you an example.
There's a company in Dalton, Georgia.
It is the carpet mill manufacturing place of the entire world.
When their workers all left or died or got old from the Appalachians who were here from World War II, their kids said, Dad, mom, I don't want to work at the mill.
I don't want that job.
So the entire industry was about to dry up.
That industry found a way to go to Mexico and recruit people who came to this country to save the carpet mill industry, which is now thriving once again in Dalton, Georgia.
I went there and I talked to the people in Dalton, Georgia.
I said, what do you think of these people?
They said at first we were very concerned, but now, you know, the guy who runs the dry cleaner, the guy who's a chamber of the Chamber of Commerce guy says, they come into work earlier.
They leave late.
They always pay their bills on time.
They filled up our churches.
They're great to have in this community.
So, and here is a company that illegally went to Mexico and recruited undocumented immigrants to refill their positions that Americans apparently didn't want.
There's a story there that tells us something.
I'm not sure what it is, but I think part of that story is the business industry.
Some people on the right or on the left would say, look at those people, those business people in Dalton, Georgia, those bastards.
Look what they did.
But yet at the same time, they help our country become better by getting these people here.
So we need a system that allows the people of Dalton, Georgia, those businesses, to do that correctly and legally.
I tell you what, though, I think, I think.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, but I think the community that wins there is the Hispanic community because so if people who are born in America, let's just say they're white and they don't want to do the work of 17 bucks an hour at Target, don't do it.
I'll do it.
I'll take that job.
That's totally fine.
I'll take that job.
That's my dad.
But here's the difference.
Here's the difference.
In the military, when you get out of the military, sometimes the challenge with vets is they get out.
They've been conditioned to be government employees.
And when they get out, they have learned work ethic.
They've learned to work together as a team.
They've learned all this stuff, but they're small thinkers.
So they get a job at the UPS after they come out of the military.
I made it.
Hey, I get those additional 10 points on the test I take.
Hey, I go become a cop.
Hey, I'll go become a firefighter.
I'll go become this.
I've made it.
And that's it.
And that's all I do.
No problem.
But you learned the most difficult thing to be able to compete in a marketplace, which is working hard, working as a team and leadership.
That and free enterprise can help you do a lot.
So the challenge becomes Hispanics are willing to do those jobs.
You've got to think a little bit bigger.
And the Hispanic voices like yourself, like the Ramoses, like those people out there have to say, hey, why don't you go compete with Musk?
Instead of saying, poor you, you can't compete with Musk.
Stop saying that.
I can't stand it when people say stuff like that to me when I was a kid coming up because I'm supposed to be afraid of somebody.
Stop saying that kind of stuff.
Did I hit a nerve with this guy?
No, no.
I should not have said that.
The point I'm trying to say.
I get your point.
The point I'm like, when I went to India, I went to India and I spoke in India four years ago, five years ago.
And I'm speaking at IIT Institute.
It's like their MIT, which is an insane school.
5,000 people are sitting there.
The chairman of a State Bank of India, which is actually chairwoman, Arundhati Bachari, 420,000 employees, I believe.
They have some 240,000 employees they have.
Then Debian Turakia, who's a young billionaire there, him and his brother are on the cover of Forbes.
And I'm speaking with these guys and I said, look, here's a few things.
Here's what's about to happen.
You guys got to realize you have a bigger audience.
Your average age is 24, 25, 26.
You're the youngest.
China's 36.
And we're 36.
China's 38.
They're aging.
You're not.
You're young.
You're learning about capitalism.
You got a guy, Modi, who is letting you go out there and compete.
In a few years, decade or two, there's going to be someone showing up now that you're rich, you're wealthy, your economy is kicking everyone's ass to say socialism is a better way, raise taxes, all these other policies, going to start making you feel sorry for yourself.
And don't.
You can compete with everybody.
Go compete.
Don't let any freaking news guy, politician, any other person make you feel you cannot.
So for me, the voices of the Hispanic community, the leaders, need to say, hey, what's so special about Elon Musk?
Go beat him.
Correct.
What's so special about this guy?
Go beat him.
What's so special about Obama?
Go beat him.
Be a president younger than him.
Instead of saying, well, you know, you know how it is.
It's not fair.
No, Go whoop their asses because half the battle is somebody believing in me that I can't pull it off.
That's all it takes.
That's all I'm saying.
So my idea.
And you're right.
Yeah, my idea is.
And that's the thing.
And by the way, we are exactly in the same place on that.
In fact, the story you just told and the story of Cano Health, a story of a company that started just five short years ago and is now one of the leading value-based care companies in the United States, is a story of Latinos, immigrants, Mexicans, Cubans, Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans coming together and starting a company and now doing what it has done where it is the fastest growing healthcare company in the United States.
So it's exactly what you just said.
It's just believing we could.
By the way, your story, your story, that is a big inspirational story is the following story.
Your story that is even bigger than what you just talked about is you chose to recreate yourself.
Just 15 years ago, whatever, 12, I don't know the exact timeline, decade ago or so, you know, hey, bigot, you cannot believe you said this, fired.
Hey, you know, Anderson Kobe, hey, this, this, that.
And then you chose to go and say, okay, instead of being, whoa, oh my God, feel sorry for me.
No, you know what?
I'm going to go on free market.
I'm going to make my money.
Then I'm going to build a media company.
Then I'm going to show back up because I got a message.
There is a value in the message of choosing to recreate yourself.
That recreating process, you seem very happy right now on the camera.
I am sure behind closed doors, there was nights that was not too happy.
I'm sure there was nights where you were really like, what the hell did I do wrong?
I'm trying to be the guy that's bringing an audience here.
So you chose to recreate.
And I think we can all also recreate ourselves after a big setback we had in our lives.
After CNN fired me and not a single company would even look at me.
And I called and they would say, God, you're really talented and you're very good on camera, but we just can't hire you.
And it got to the point where we lost our house and the children were, you know, having a tough time.
And I remember at night, I didn't want my kids and my wife to see me.
So I would go in a closet and I would close the door and I would cry.
And I would try and figure out a way to get out of it.
And what I did was I remade myself.
And I figured, you know, if I can't be a journalist and it's all I know, I'll be a CMO because what I know as a journalist, messaging, writing, communicating, is transferable.
And there are people in America who might be listening to the sound of my voice right now who may have just lost their jobs or may be looking for something else.
And they need somebody to tell them that they do have the skills inside of them and they don't need a handout and they don't need to complain and they don't need to cry.
Woe is me.
They just need to find those things within themselves and then use those to stretch themselves to do something perhaps different than they've ever done before.
And that's what I did.
And I triangulated my brand and I went to companies and they said, I'm Rick Sanchez.
I know how to do a television show and I also have a healthcare company.
Why don't you let us do a television show on your station?
And you don't have to pay me what you think you have to pay me because I'm kind of desperate right now.
But give me 50% of your avails.
Give me 50% of your advertising hole.
We'll take that advertising hole.
We'll fill it with our commercials.
And that's how we grow our company.
And Rick, I think I think there needs to be more voices like you, more people like we don't really hear that many stories of the Latino, you know what I'm saying, getting to that point.
And there needs to be more outlets like you saying these stories.
So those younger people, those 11-year-olds that are coming up can hear stuff like that.
And just like Pat said, it ain't a victim.
It ain't whatever.
You could do whatever the hell you want in this country.
There's no image holding you back.
There's no like the man.
It's just you stay focused and you can do it.
If you can do it, then you're golden.
And he hit a court when you said that, Pat.
You made me think of the moment.
I mean, that's, that's, but that's the message, though, bro.
Like we forget like how shitty life was a decade ago and how hard it was to recreate ourselves.
Recreating yourself is a form of saying, I'm not good enough for the next level.
None of us like to say I'm not good enough for the next level.
It's painful.
It's emotional.
It hurts our ego.
We have this ego that's like this, you know, material that's so flimsy that if it drops, it cracks.
And like we're all trying to protect this ego of ours.
No, but again.
Tremendous respect for you to do what you've done to go from there to being here.
I'm very happy for you and I hope you keep kicking ass and taking Oakwa to different levels with the messaging you guys are trying to do.
I'm glad you shared that with us, by the way.
Appreciate you for doing that.
That was great.
Congrats to your success for going from that closet crying to now being where you are, where you got your place that you got and your family celebrating it.
And I know the feeling of what it is to do the high-five and say, babe, what are we going to do?
And boom, you have the choice to go out there and kick it and just relax.
And you're saying, no, I'm going to go lay some up and I want to go for one more run.
That's hard to do when you have money in the bank.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think, I mean, Rick Sanchez News is an opportunity for us to tell the stories like the ones that you and I are talking about now.
Latinos are mules.
We're mules.
That's what we call ourselves.
That's what me and all my Latino friends.
We just want to work.
Just give me a chance to work.
Give me a job.
Give me two jobs.
Give me three jobs.
When I first started after that episode that I just shared with you guys, I had four jobs.
I started in the morning teaching at my kids' school so they wouldn't kick them out of school because I couldn't afford to have them there.
american heritage uh then i uh belray or the other campus The other campus.
Okay.
Going over implementation.
And then I got a job working right between Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for Clear Channel doing a radio show.
Awesome.
And then I would go to Fox News hired me and said, we're going to give you Fox News Latinos.
So they had me doing that, even though it wasn't really up and running at the time.
And then I do.
So basically, I was picking up a little bit here, a little bit there, and then putting it all together to try and equate what I was doing.
Fantastic.
And that's why Agua Media, I think, is really important.
Check us out.
Yes.
Real quick, if we may, I'm really interested on this issue of immigration because what we're doing now, obviously, isn't working.
We're going to have God knows how many numbers of illegal immigrants come across the border under Joe Biden's presidency.
We're at 2 million plus.
We just had the 50 that tragically passed away in San Antonio in the truck.
And under President Trump, refugees admitted down by 65%.
Temporary visas were up 5%.
But to be fair, under President Trump, those Latinos that were coming over were finally being paid what they deserved.
As more illegals come over, the wages fall.
You can just fire one, go get another one cheaper, pay them less, pay them less, pay them less.
So Adam often talks about solutions.
What is the solution?
Because I think that the motto that they're coming over, they're stealing our jobs is absolutely incorrect.
And let's not forget about Cesar Chavez, the farm workers of America, hated, absolutely hated illegal immigrants, right?
He would form a line and beat them.
He would send them back.
What is the answer to immigration?
What's the actual solution?
I'm a businessman.
I understand data.
I understand how to do reporting that gives you essentially a sense of how you're growing your company.
The United States should look at immigration the way a businessman or businesswoman looks at their bottom line.
How many do I need?
What can they do?
How many can I get?
How much do I have to pay them?
And at any given time, I may have to lay off a few people or bring in a few people.
And we've never thought of treating the border and using our data and our computers and our ability to put all this information together the same way that businesses do.
Instead, we have these idiots, these fucking morons in Washington yelling at each other, trying to get votes saying the other side is good, the other side is bad.
All we've got to do is get the right analysis, the right number of analysts, data analysts, the right number of security experts to put that thing together, and we would have the thing solved in a week.
But you know what?
To really answer your question, they don't want to solve it.
They don't want to solve it because the moment they solve it, they lose one of their arguments, both sides, including both the Democrats and the Republicans.
That's how I would argue that.
I think that's correct.
Your audio is low.
Can we increase Tyler's audio a little bit?
But let's go to the next story.
Let's just go to a story now.
Joe Rogan.
Okay, let's address that story.
I don't know if you guys are following it or not, if you saw what he said yesterday about interviewing Trump on Lex Friedman podcast.
So Joe Rogan reveals if he will ever host Donald Trump on his podcast, despite hosting a group of polarizing figures on his show, a pot steering podcaster, Joe Rogan, claimed there's one person who'll never appear on this podcast, former president of Donald Trump, the 54-year-old comedian and UFC commentator, was candid during a Monday episode on Joe Rogan experience with computer scientist Lex Friedman.
I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form.
The former Fear Factor host told Friedman, I have the opportunity to have him on my show more than once and have said no every time.
He added, I don't want to help him.
I'm not interested in helping him.
So what do you think about this story with Joe Rogan?
Well, he was on the Lex Friedman podcast, right?
I think the whole thing, and you've been on Rogan, you were texting him yesterday as we were discussing this story.
That's the ironic part.
But the thing with Joe is, I don't think Joe is left or right.
Like Bernie Sanders has been on a show, as far left as it gets in America today.
As far right as it gets is he has Alex Jones on the show.
He finds common ground with everybody.
That's the beauty of Joe Rogan is that he could sit there, be completely empathetic to you, listen, actively listen.
He's not there for ratings or to pander.
He's just actively listening.
And it's funny when you watch Joe, if you're a little bit further left and you start, he was like, yeah, I agree with you.
I agree with you totally.
And then if you're a little bit further right, he'll sit there and constantly agree with you.
He's very fluid.
There's nothing, he's not a hardliner on anything.
That's the beauty of Joe.
And then speaking of left, I mean, he came from Hollywood, you know, comedy scene.
The comedy scene.
He said he would vote for Bernie Sanders.
Yeah.
But then on the right side of things, like he does UFCs, tight with Dana White.
Like, that's on the right side of things.
But you know what he's saying, Adam, with this, what I see.
Pardon me for interrupting, but what I see, what I hear when he says that is that he's living in a silo.
And what we need are fewer silos in America, right?
What do you mean he's living in a silo?
Silo is a place where you're only with your own group.
Like a bubble.
Bro, my bubble.
I couldn't be any further from a truth.
But let me just finish.
Silo?
No, no, obviously.
What's the silo he's in?
I know Joe Rogan and I know that he's interviewed all kinds of people.
But when you make the statement, I don't want to interview the former president of the United States, you're basically saying to me, I don't want to be associated with that guy.
I don't even want to hear what he has to say.
And I think that that's what he's saying.
No, he doesn't want to give him his platform.
That's what he's saying.
But in the context of what he's saying, in the context of what he's saying, he was talking about Joe Biden, actually.
It had nothing to do with Trump on the Lex Friedman podcast.
He was basically saying Joe Biden is a walking dead man and that he is, that's who he was talking about.
And that he was referencing, if you actually saw the clip, did you see it?
No.
All right.
So let me inform you.
He was talking about Biden and then basically Biden being on Kimmel and basically saying, dude, someone stop this guy.
Like he's just rambling.
Let's take a look at it.
Hear me out, though, Rick.
Go hear me out.
Go ahead.
And then he alluded to the fact, by the way, it was almost like a PS.
By the way, as I'm shitting on Joe Biden, just understand something.
I'm not a Trump guy.
I'm not trying to give Trump a platform.
I'm just letting you know where I stand.
I've had the opportunity to interview Trump multiple times.
I've declined.
That's the context of what you was in.
He alluded to the fact that, and then they went on talking about, listen, I give Alex Jones a platform.
This guy is a quote-unquote right-wing, far-right nut job.
And he goes, you know, in actuality, Alex Jones is right 90% of the time.
Yes, he got it wrong about San Samuel and all that.
Yeah, and he got in trouble for it.
Basically, the bottom line is he was shitting on Joe Biden, and he used hyperbolic language about him not wanting to affiliate with Trump to basically show, hey, look, as bad as I think Biden's doing, I'm not a Trump guy.
It was shitting on Biden, but it took the context of the public.
But all politics, all I'm saying is if you're a host and you're given an opportunity to interview the former president of the United States, you should probably interview.
I agree 100%.
And if you don't interview the president of the United States, you're saying something about yourself, that you're living in a certain place where you're not letting in a certain kind of thinking, perhaps.
I'm not saying I know that Trump is a vile dude and has done some really vile stuff, but that doesn't mean that if he's a former president, you don't give him his opportunity and ask him the tough questions.
And if he wants to get up and walk out, he walks out.
I just disagree with the notion of saying I would never interview a former vice president or former president.
I agree with that.
That's all I'm saying.
I agree with politics.
I think that's a disagreement because Trump, we talked, Pat, when I walked in here, Trump was recently on the Full Send podcast with a couple of young guys.
One of my friends, Bob Mennery, is on there.
And it got banned, what, two days?
It was kicked off.
It's like, I just want to hear what this person has to say.
Yeah.
Like, listen, as crazy as it is, say what I don't give a shit what anybody's opinion.
Have your opinion.
But for Joe Rogan to be like, nah, I'm not going to support him.
You're not supporting him.
I want to be able to hear because they're not going to ban it on Spotify.
We'll actually get to hear the entire interview.
Let me hear what you have to say.
I interviewed Fidel Castro.
You think that was easy?
I interviewed Gordon Chuff.
I'll interview Xi Jinping.
I'll interview Putin.
I'll interview Bode.
I'll interview.
Is there anybody?
Our job as a journalist is to do that.
Is there anybody you wouldn't interview?
There's anybody that you wouldn't want to give a bigger platform with your microphone?
No.
So there's nobody that you would.
No, truth is fresh air.
I mean, that's what we do.
I mean, if, you know, Patrick and I have had disagreements during this conversation, respectful disagreements.
We're both men.
We can have a disagreement and walk away and shake hands.
If you can't do that with another human being, I think that's kind of on you.
And I also think, journalistically speaking, it kind of degrades the field.
But that's my opinion.
Would you reveal what you said to Joe or texted him?
What he just said, he doesn't have to live to those standards in his eyes because you said journalistic integrity.
I don't think he sees himself as a journalist.
Fair.
I think he sees himself as, this is my show, it's my podcast.
I talked to who I want to talk to.
But unfortunately, guilty by association, Joe has become a journalist.
I think so.
But you know the book Accidental Millionaire, they wrote about jobs and Wozniak.
Joe is a, this is actually a good title for a book if he writes it, accidental journalist.
Okay, this is how he accidentally became the most powerful journalist in America.
Some may call it in the world, okay, on the kind of influence that he has.
So, you know, but does that mean he has to meet the standards of what the journalistic standards are?
He doesn't have to do it.
Good question.
Does that mean it's going to upset his audience?
Sure, the audience that would love to see him push Trump back.
But at the same time, you ever seen the video when Joe is teaching GSP how to put so much power into his kick?
I don't know if you've ever seen this video.
It's like a four-minute clip.
And Joe's kicked like a beast.
First of all, he's teaching GSP, who some consider one of the top five GOATs of all time.
And he's teaching GSP how to do this kick.
But the way he's teaching, the level of precision in his teaching, one cannot be extremely technical and meticulous and detailed and strategic without being able to teach a kick the way he teaches.
I know this makes no sense, but in my mind, Joe knows what he's doing.
100%.
Joe knows what he's doing.
Listen, I wouldn't be surprised if a DeSantis, a Newsom, and a Michelle Obama are on this podcast the next six to 12 months.
I think so too.
So I wouldn't be surprised if those guys are going to be on there.
I think, you know, he made positive comments about DeSantis a week ago or two weeks ago when he said I think DeSantis will be president.
So a week after that, he says that about Trump.
Maybe he feels DeSantis is going to be the right guy to be the president.
And maybe he wants to get behind DeSantis.
And if he wants to do that, that's his guy.
Are you worth more power to him?
But wait, did you just say that Joe Rogan uses his microphone to influence political thought in America?
That he might be that whether he likes it or not, he has been doing that.
Because that's very Machiavellian.
If he says, I'm going to say today that Trump is a bad guy that I'm not going to interview, and tomorrow I'm going to say DeSantis is a great guy.
That's not Machiavellian.
And by the way, I'm not criticizing.
He could do that.
He said DeSantis is a great guy a week ago.
He said DeSantis.
He made the comments about DeSantis a week ago when he said I think DeSantis would make a great president.
And then on this one, he says, I would never have Trump on the podcast.
And by the way, he's consistently stayed in the same position about Trump for a while.
He's not a he saw Trump as an entertainer.
He saw Trump.
He called him Teflon.
Nothing bothers him.
All this stuff.
And he handles it.
He handles the criticism that comes.
But, you know, I'm sure he's had many chances to have Trump on.
He hasn't had him on.
But the only thing I'm saying is maybe he kind of wants to influence the next election.
And by the way, to be honest with you, I think this next debate that comes up, all these other guys, who are you going to get?
You're going to get Wallace?
You're going to get who?
I think the media is dumb if they don't realize that the next debate.
You can just stop it.
The media is done.
Yeah, the next debates have to be held by guys like podcast form where guys can give a 10-minute answer, 15-minute answer, 20-minute answer, instead of two-minute.
No American voter wants a two-minute answer.
They've proven they don't mind three-hour podcasts.
America's, not just a million people, hundreds of millions of people worldwide have said we are very comfortable with three-hour podcasts.
Those of us in journalism school were taught about agenda setting.
I mean, agenda setting is what journalists do, and it's crap.
And I couldn't agree with more with what you just said, Patrick, because unfortunately, more often than not, they set that agenda during those debates.
So the candidates don't get an opportunity to be real or talk about things that matter or even talk about things that matter to the American people.
They get to talk about things that have been chosen or screened by those members of the media, the meet the press assholes, right?
So, you know, that's not really the conversation that America wants to hear.
I could not agree with you more.
Do a free-for-all.
Get three or four people, give them a certain amount of time, let them go after each other, and I'll come away with a perspective.
And by the way, we say this all the time on the podcast.
We hear it from political figures and pundits, whether it's people on the far right or the right side, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, to people on the left like Jank Uyghur or Andrew Yang.
People have been all there, and they say, what a refreshing opportunity to sit down and just talk for a couple hours where it's like, all right, Mr. Biden, you're on the clock two minutes, and then 2.04.
And he's like, I think I should stop talking now.
The debate format in this country is getting stale and old, and the podcast format going back and forth for a couple hours is the new thing.
Break, just really fast, not to go off subject, but you were talking about the whole agenda and the political driven type of from CNN point, because you used to work at CNN.
Was it always that type of, obviously they have a side, but like from what you saw during like, you know, the Trump and the four years of Trump, what was the difference that you thought from that?
Like, was it the same type of attitude?
Like, just that hardcore?
It got destroyed.
It got so personal over that.
First of all, they put the guy in office, right?
They gave him more media time than any candidate in the history of the United States.
They thought it would be funny to put this goofball every time he had a debate or something on camera because that's how they saw him.
They thought he was a goofball.
It's good TV.
And every time they had him on, his ratings went up.
So Jeff Bush would have a news conference and they would take him for 30 seconds.
And Trump knew that, so he would create opportunities to fund it.
You reap what you sow.
Exactly.
But then when it happened, they've got their CMO, their CFO Zuckerberg, who's got a relationship with Trump.
So now all of a sudden it becomes personal.
And now they start attacking the guy every day for anything, including the Russia thing, which was crap.
And then they end up with egg on their face.
And now where the hell are they?
Because that's why they're trying to figure themselves out.
Amazing.
Rick, we said this the other day.
We had the podcast.
They better pray, because MSN and MSNBC and all these numbers are down.
They better pray to God that he wins again.
They better, because then they'll have more shit to talk about, but nobody's watching.
I wish they would go out and just hire journalists and do journalism again because they once did that back in the 1980s and they were pretty good at it.
But today, they don't hire journalists.
They hire people who look good on TV.
They're political activists or actors.
I mean, Cuomo, for example.
I mean, I'm sure he's a perfectly good guy, but I mean, what the hell is he doing doing a television show?
Because his brother is the governor, you get a television show.
Anderson Cooper used to be the host of a reality show.
Vanderbilt.
I could go down the list of people who are not journalists but are wearing the badge of journalists.
Well, Rick, let me ask you.
That's not what we should be doing in this country.
As a journalist, you've been a journalist for my whole life.
40 years.
Yeah.
All right.
This whole lack of integrity and lack of professionalism, ethics, we talk about what a journalist needs to be doing.
It didn't start.
The downfall of journalism didn't start with Trump.
Where do you think that started?
Like, you got canceled in 2010.
That's crazy.
Where did the lack of being a real journalist, where did that really, what was the tipping point of it?
To be real honest with you, it happened the day they invented ratings that came in every 15.
The Nielsen ratings or what?
Yeah, when you can actually tell and have data on.
And I had a dancing monkey on, or I did a story about a dancing monkey, and the ratings went through the roof.
So from now on, I'm going to do a lot of dancing.
When was that?
It was like in the late 1980s in the beginning of the 1990s, where they really perfected audience research so we could know exactly to the moment and to the word what you got back.
Like if we only did this show based on the data says we have to talk today about, you know, whatever, styrofoam cups.
So we've got to introduce a topic about styrofoam cups.
And he had to do it in exactly five minutes when people who lifestyle who like styrofoam cups are watching.
So the moment that the data took over the message, the message became pupils.
And correct me if I'm wrong, that's sort of around the time when we went from having the big three, ABC, NBC, CBS, to all of a sudden CNN is a thing.
Ten Turter starts that.
Or Roger Gales or Rupert Murdoch start Fox in the 90s.
Brilliant, Adam.
Think it through.
So you have data collection become a big part of how we do news.
You've got really smart business people out there who then start getting into the business and saying, well, if we can control the data, we can control the flow.
We control the flow, we can control the audience size.
We can control the audience size.
We control the ratings, control the money, control the profits, control the revenue.
Once they did that, very wealthy people came in and took huge swaths of the journalism outlets, owned them, which then concentrated the amount of good journalism that was out there.
And that's how we got to win.
But isn't that capitalism?
I mean, do we have a problem with that?
Like, let me just, if you're not familiar with Rick, and one of the famous, I remember saying, I asked a buddy of mine, I'm like, I got Rick Sanchez coming on the podcast.
Oh, you remember what Rick Sanchez was famous for?
If it bleeds, it leads.
That's right.
Remember that whole thing?
That's right.
If it bleeds, it leads.
So, like, it's part of the part of media where it's like, okay, let's go compete.
We're CNN.
We're Fox.
We're going to see.
I'm a journalist.
We got a journalist who's now a businessman.
So I understand both parts of it, and I'm tussling with it.
You know, Patrick, I'm sure, will tell you as a guy who's been very successful in business, you got to go with data takes you.
We're in the eyeball business, baby.
I mean, this is what it is.
At the same time, has that data been a positive for what is proper information for the American people?
Probably not.
There's the you know, you know what I think, bro.
You know what I think is winning today, though?
I think the reason why Joe's winning, Joe's real.
I think why these podcasters are winning because they're real.
And what they're starting, what the mainstream media is paying a price for is they're starting to realize if you constantly, remember John Kerry had a shot at winning, being a president, and then he went and gave one switch, one, one speech, one place, and next week he gave a completely different message.
And they said, what a flip-flopper.
And then boom, he lost.
He should have been the president.
By the way, he's part of the skull and bones and Yale and all that stuff.
And him and Bush.
And he's supposed to be a president, Kerry.
And he lost.
He looks like he looks like Lincoln if you look at him.
Height, all that stuff.
He just looks presidential.
He's a president.
He looks presidential.
So what did American voters say?
Yeah, we don't like that.
We don't mind if you change your mind, but we don't like you trying to deceive us and go from here to there to that.
We're not a fan of that.
So, you know, and today, America is just flat out saying, hey, are you real?
I don't care if I agree with you or not, but are you real?
Okay, cool.
Hey, Bill Maher seems real.
I don't agree with them, but he's real.
I value that.
Russell Brand seems real.
I don't agree with him, but I value that.
Hey, Joe Rogan seems real.
I don't know if I agree with him, but I value that.
We are starting to show that there's a lot of value in the currency of being real.
There's a lot of value in the currency of being able to reason and have a disagreement with somebody that you, but you're able to sit down and have that.
We're valuing those things, which is a great thing, by the way.
Those currencies being valued again, it's a fantastic thing because it forces everybody to be what?
Identify that you have some flaws, you have some weaknesses, you ain't perfect, and that's the American vote.
The American vote relates to that.
They don't relate to the perfect person that's looking perfect.
No, no, no.
We don't relate to you, bro.
We relate to these other guys that are flawed.
And by the way, what does it matter?
They're in a dying industry, right?
So whatever they did.
You're saying legacy media, whatever we were just talking about with CNN and all that.
They're irrelevant.
So what does it matter what they're doing?
Their audience is 70 years old.
Yeah, but some of them are being smart enough and they've already done it and made the move to YouTube already.
I mean, Zach's presence on YouTube is massive.
I mean, what will matter is value attainment.
That's what will matter.
Agua Media will matter.
Joe Rogan will matter.
The future of media is these types of expressive conversations until something maybe comes along and pollutes us and makes us lose our way.
Well, and that's my point.
Follow the money.
FTM.
I mean, so basically what Pat's saying is keeping it real.
That's the reason that Rogan's got a voice.
That's the reason that we've got a voice.
It's the reason that Alex Jones has got a voice.
These third-party young Turks has got a voice because they at least keep it real.
Because I feel like with the legacy media, and you could speak to this better than anyone probably on this panel, is that whether you're on Fox or whether on CNN, I feel like if you pull back the curtain, Wizard of Ostyle, it's actually this entire podcast, this prior platform is brought to you by Allegra, Big Pharma, who just gave you $10 trillion to advertise.
So like that's the part of keeping it real in legacy media and mainstream media.
It's like, what's really happening behind the scenes is who's really paying the bills?
And that's what it comes down to.
I think that's why people don't distrust mainstream media.
No, Patrick's right.
People need to get a sense that they're hearing you.
Yeah.
You, your gut.
So check this out.
So California right now is going through what they're going through.
And, you know, I feel something happened in the last couple weeks where the Democratic Party had a meeting with the Obamas.
Pure speculation.
This is not inside information.
Know nothing.
I'm just speculating, because they suddenly went from Obama's to Newsom.
Okay, they suddenly went from Obama to Newsome.
So has it been a conversation to trying to convince Michelle to run or not?
I don't know.
Was it an idea to say highest Q score for women, that if she runs one of the highest Q scores she can win, slam dunk etc, etc.
And she says, I just don't want that life.
Now they're thinking, who do we have to prep?
Because Biden's not going to be running, it ain't going to be Kamala.
America does not like Kamala I haven't even heard what is she doing.
And America doesn't like Kamala.
They don't like Kamala more than they don't like Biden.
Like, if they don't like Biden, Kamala's beating Biden in likability.
Right, I think you may be right, but Michelle may have said no.
And they said no and they said, who's the next person?
They have to go and draft the next person.
They're like hey, let's get Newsom, so let's spin the story.
What's the story?
Well, didn't they try to recall Newsom?
No, the fact that he won by 63 percent vote, it just shows that's who America wants.
It just shows that's exactly who America wants.
America wants a newsomeric, wants a winner like him, and they're gonna spin that right.
The spinning marketing game is taking place and this whole thing with what happened with Lgbt I don't know if you guys saw the story or not which is very interesting, that so he goes and takes a vacation where so this guy goes?
Yeah, California governor Newsom enjoys Montana vacation, despite Lgbtq state travel ban.
This is a NEW YORK POST story.
California's Democratic governors have joined some r in Montana this week, despite Big Sky Country being the one of 20 states to which the Golden State BAR UH bars officials state funded travel over laws deemed discriminatory against Lgbtq.
It was revealed tuesday that Newsom had gone to Montana, where his in-laws owned a ranch, and was expected back at work july 11th.
In response, Newsom spokesperson Anthony York tweeted, the travel ban applies to using state funds.
The governor's travel is not being paid by the state.
Connecting the two is an attempt at gotcha journalism.
That is neither gotcha nor journalism.
The governor's on vacation with his family.
He will return later this week.
Uh, despite York statement, it was unclear whether Newsom and his family were accompanied by security on their visit, on how the security was paid for if they were there.
So these types of stories that are coming out with what's going on with Uh Montana another story with when he went to French Laundry a little bit of hypocrisy, exactly.
Hey, you say you're for this, then why are you going over here?
And the other side is, who gives a shit where the guy wants to go on vacation, but if you want to use state funded stuff?
But the all i'm saying is, you know, I have a feeling the party.
It's like when you're an NBA team and you were hoping to land Durant and you don't get Durant and you get stuck with Loud.
You know, you get stuck with somebody.
You're like I got to take that 21 million dollar year contract for three years because there's nothing else in the market.
People are trying to land Michelle.
They don't have Michelle.
Newsom may be the candidate for 2024 here.
Let me give you the what we're going to be voting for, Pence Cheney versus Newsom Michelle.
Really, excuse me, Pence Pence for president, Pence Cheney.
There's Some stories that just started filtering out late yesterday afternoon that I started reading, where Republican donors are going to start, according to some of my sources, making a pitch for matching Pence on top of the ticket, Cheney, Liz, on the bottom of the ticket, because they are over the Trump drama and they need two people who are going to be able to solidify the Republican Party.
And that's the direction they're going in.
There's no way Trump will go.
Rick, I know that you don't believe that.
No, I'm just citing a story.
Of course, because that's not controlling the Republican MAGA party.
That's not happening.
Like, I almost got hung a couple weeks ago.
So, what happens if the establishment pushes that?
There's no establishment anymore.
The establishment's gone.
It's Trump's party.
It's the MAGA party.
But you're underestimating the power of the donors in America.
I think you're undercommitting the power of American Party.
And I'm not a Trump guy.
They've got zero pull in that party anymore.
Maybe within Washington in the corridor.
Pence Cheney.
Pence Cheney's got no poll with who?
The voters?
Color Lord?
Gold.
The donors.
All right, let me read this here.
2024 ticket by Vice President Pence Chen.
Why I mean Glizz Cheney might just be the thing that saves the Republican Party and our Republicans since Donald Trump's dissent in a golden escalator in 2015.
There hasn't been too many other Republicans who are doing this.
Okay, so great.
Fine.
If you want to say that, then tell us why Trump is 141 and 11 with his endorsement.
He was killing it.
So why?
So listen, DeSantis, if he runs, he's got a shot.
Agreed.
Michelle runs high, high chance of winning as the face, not as a VP, as the face if she runs.
If Michelle and Newsom run, Michelle lead Newsome, she would have to win the nomination.
That'd be interesting if that were to take place.
This would be not so toxic, by the way.
Obviously.
Pence Cheney is not.
It doesn't toxic.
It would never happen.
It's just the same way people were saying Kasich would not be toxic.
Kasich was a good guy.
He's not a number one.
Biden won, not because he's a number one.
Biden, at best, is a director of operations.
He's not even a CSP.
Put there by the party.
Yeah, he was put there by the party to go up against Trump.
Through Lee Stamage, Jordan.
Pull Pence Cheney.
That doesn't sound good.
I don't see that.
I just don't see Pence Cheney.
I don't see that at all.
I don't see them coming out of the Republican primary, and I don't see Democrats being like, okay, we're going to take our Pence guy.
I guess the argument is they want to go back to the middle, right?
And is there, but to your question, which is a really astute question, Adam, is there enough juice in the middle to be able to support something like that?
I had a conversation with the Prime Minister.
I had a conversation with, remember our friend Joe?
He's going to cry when he hears this part of the podcast.
I called him.
We called him on the phone.
And I said, Joe, this guy is MAGA out.
Trump, like Rush Limbaugh is his hero.
And I said, who do...
May he rest in peace.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who do you, and I'm speaking on behalf of the MAGA community, the Trump community, hate more?
Democrats or rhinos?
He goes, it's not even close.
What do you think his answer was?
The Liz Cheneys of the world.
He goes, we cannot stand the toe-the-line Republican rhinos.
It's the Mitt Romney's of the world, the Liz Cheneys of the world, the Adam Kinzingers of the world.
And now somehow Pence, I guess, is in that world now because he's out of MAGA world, I guess.
He goes, because at least Democrats, as wrong as they are, have a freaking spine and a backbone.
They're wrong, but they stand up.
He goes, those people will bend for anything.
This was his perspective.
He's basically saying, and I think most Republicans are MAGA now.
But if that's the case, those people are dinosaurs in the Republican Party.
The Republican Party for Reagan, the Republican Party that was, no longer exists.
It's Trump's party.
It's the MAGA party.
And we'll reap what they sow.
But if that's the case, guys, then what will happen if there are enough donors for starters who seem to be, according to some of the stories that we're seeing, filter, that they're a little concerned because of the January 6th committee hearings, that they're trying to take their money away from Trump, that they're going to start giving the money to DeSantis and to Pence and to Liz Cheney, whoever the hell they choose.
What happens to the party?
Does it disintegrate?
I mean, what happens to the Republican Party if that feud sounds like that?
Same thing that's happening to the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party is also divided between the socialists and the Democrats.
It's, you know, maybe even in three different categories, the Democratic Party.
You got the Socialists, you got the Democrats, and you got the Tulsi Gabbard and the Andrew Yank community because neither Andrew Yank nor Tulsi are Democrats.
They're more center-left.
Then you have the traditional Democrats, say Biden, Hillary, you know, Obama's all that.
Then you have the socialist Democrats, you know, Bernard.
And we've already seen this in the Democratic Party with Nader.
Ralph Nader split the party and cost them the election.
Will that now happen in the Republican Party?
That was what, 2000?
Bush, Gore, Nader?
Right, 2000.
So the question here for us is, is that about to happen now, there's any appetite for Pence at the top of a ticket.
How many people, how many people, how many followers does Lincoln Project have?
Not Twitter followers.
What I mean is how many followers from Lincoln Project to say, come up with a candidate and I'll vote for you.
How big is Lincoln Project's influence?
That's what you got to be thinking about.
I think Tyler's point is that their influence is with people with money.
Go to Socialblade.
Go to socialblade.com.
Go to socialblade.com.
And yeah, right there.
And go up top and type in Lincoln Project.
Yeah, Lincoln Project.
You just may want to spell it right.
There it is.
Okay.
So this is what?
This is their YouTube channel.
Go up a little bit.
Go up a little bit.
The way you're going.
I'm sorry.
Go down.
Okay, there you go.
Yeah, they're not getting a lot of views.
Now, watch when the channel got started, by the way.
Very weird when they started the channel.
Go all the way to the top.
It says what date?
January 6th.
Crazy, 2020.
Now, go to Weird, right?
It's a year before when it happened, actually, because it's not.
That's very crazy.
That's just ironic.
Yeah, now go to the Lincoln Project and see their Twitter handle.
So put the same thing in, except go to Twitter.
Okay, go to Twitter and type in Lincoln Project.
The Lincoln Project.
Spelled Pro Cop.
Take your time.
That the is got a Q in it, buddy.
Just write slow.
T-H-E.
Tyler's nerd.
Lincoln.
Lincoln.
Projecte.
There you go.
Twitter.
Click.
Okay, you have to put the whole handle on.
On behalf of Agua Media, we thank you for bringing it up.
Let me just copy the show.
Thank you very much.
You got to put the whole thing together.
Spell the whole thing together, and you'll see where I'm going with this.
Just put their Twitter handle, which is what?
Project Lincoln.
Okay.
It's called Project Lincoln.
So go over the perfect.
There you go.
Go to social plate.
Type in Project Lincoln.
Press search.
Go up.
Go up.
Keep going down.
Okay, so check this out.
You know what that is?
Let me tell you what that is.
Forget about that 2.7 million.
They're not gaining followers today.
So meaning no one gives a shit about them today.
That means it's over.
Cheney and Pence don't stand a chance at winning.
Because if that was $5,000 a day, $8,000 a day, $9,000 a day.
It's 30,000 a day.
Dude, that's the last two weeks.
Look at the last two weeks.
Matter of fact, go to 30 days.
Go up a little bit and go to 30 days.
You can actually increase that to detailed statistics.
Go to the top and click on detailed statistics.
So go lower.
It'll give you 30 days.
That's 30 days.
Look at that.
2.7 million.
Twitter accounts going up like that.
Federal Patrick, let me push back.
By the way, while he's doing this, pull up AOC.
While he's doing this, pull up AOC.
Go ahead.
If we are going to agree that the politics in America is very much donor-driven and money, as we've learned with Joe Biden, who was probably the least competent candidate, even among the Republican, pardon me, the Democratic field, which was very weak to begin with, right?
But somehow the party, the donors, the money pushed him to the top above everybody else.
Then could we not assume that it doesn't really matter at this point how many people you got?
Because once the money kicks in, this could all change.
Let me tell you.
Let me just show you this here.
Look at that.
That's my argument.
I'm going to respond back to that.
Look at this here.
Go up and show them who this is we're looking at.
AOC.
A girl named AOC.
I don't know if you've heard her.
She's pretty famous.
AOC, 13.19 million followers.
Let's see how she's doing the last 30 days.
Look at that.
Keep going up.
36,000 followers in a day.
22,000 followers in a day.
Lincoln Project, her worst day isn't their best 30 days combined.
Combined.
Okay.
Wow.
That's a threat.
This is a real threat of people wanting to.
Now, go type in DeSantis.
Let's see how DeSantis is doing.
Told you she's going to be president.
So I don't think Cheney and Pence can beat DeSantis.
I don't think Cheney and Pence can be Trump.
I think they're.
Remember when there was a guy named Scott Walker?
Oh, Scott Walker's going to be Wisconsin.
Boom.
A month later.
Oh, no, Joe.
Governor Perry.
No.
So you have to have charisma nowadays.
You have to have charisma.
And who do you think would be more attractive?
AOC or Gavin Newsom?
He's growing.
AOC or Newsom?
Well, you're saying now?
She can't.
No, I'm not even.
I'm saying attractive.
Physically.
Physically.
Yeah.
Newsome.
Good looking couple.
Can I say one thing about the Lincoln Project?
Because this speaks to the exact same reason that CNN ratings are tanking and MSNB is tanking.
And exactly what Vinny essentially talked about is all roads lead to Trump.
That's it.
Okay.
The reason that Lincoln Project is fleeting and there's no one because Trump's out of office.
Their whole point of Lincoln Project was to they're a never Trump movement.
Right.
They got him out of office.
All right, guys, let's the band's done.
Right?
The whole point of CNBC, sorry, MSNBC and CNN was talk about Trump, talk about Trump.
Let's get him out of office.
He's the worst.
Now he's out of office.
Look at your rankings.
Look at your ratings.
So I'm not shocked by anything like this.
This is all roads lead back to Trump.
And that's essentially my point is with Pence and Liz Cheney.
These are afterthoughts.
Let's go to another story.
So teachers in Florida, okay, page seven, largest teachers union.
Florida is 9,000 teachers short for the upcoming year.
This is a, let me see this story here.
Largest teacher, 9,000 short.
And the state of Florida industry experts say the problem is pretty simple.
Nobody wants to be a teacher anymore for multiple reasons.
It seemed less and less like a viable, fulfilling career option.
The regional director of Teach for America said the solution is simple.
Take steps to make teaching an attractive career.
Once again, a Florida Education Association report is showing more than 9,9,500 teaching and support staff positions across the state of Florida are vacant.
It says the shortage is so wild, wide-ranging that more than 450,000 Florida students may have started last school year without full-time certified teachers in their classroom.
A survey of high school students found that only 5% were interested in becoming teachers, and that survey was from four years ago.
What do you think is going on here, these teachers?
I think it speaks to where we are.
And I hate to go back to the same thing, but that's a great gig.
That's a great gig.
That's a nice job.
That's an honorable profession.
No money.
It's fun.
You're changing lives.
And if we're at a place in this country where we can't get people to want to take a decent job, yeah, you're not going to make a lot of money.
I mean, I guess it all depends.
If you're Latino, you're making a lot of money.
I remember once I was listening to God, who's a big tall guy who used to be on Fox News?
He and I used to go at it all the time.
O'Reilly, right?
Bill O'Reilly.
And I remember he went on, he was interviewed once and he said, I grew up, I grew up poor in America.
My dad was a postman.
He was the letter carrier, you know, mailman, as we used to call him.
And I thought to myself, that's poor as a Latino?
My dad cleaned toilets at the Barcelona Hotel on Miami Beach.
And in the daytime, he was also working as a busboy.
And then he had a job driving a truck at night.
Bill, that's what my dad did.
Stop telling people that because your dad is a mailman, you grew up poor because you certainly didn't grow up poor.
This mindset, not to pick on you, Vinny, because I love you like a brother.
But this mindset that, oh my God, she's a teacher.
She doesn't make a lot of money.
That's damn good money.
They make $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.
I don't care.
That's pretty good money.
You can make a living and you could raise a family out of that.
Why don't people want these jobs?
Is what I'm talking about.
I was saying, Pat, they're underappreciated.
They don't like, dude, a teacher, I think, is one of the most important things to give people.
Dude, teachers made us.
And Pat talked about it.
They don't get the acknowledgement.
They don't get the credit.
And I'm sorry, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 in this day and age is nothing.
And I think it's like you said, they're reinventing and they're moving a certain way.
I know a lot of Latino friends of mine who would die for a $35,000 job.
And by the way, if you want to be appreciated, tell them like work in Florida.
If you want to be appreciated, get a dog.
Okay.
Just, you know, you've got an opportunity to do something.
You've got an opportunity to make a difference.
You get to go to work, sit in a place that's air-conditioned every day, affect people's lives.
And you're going to say, no, that's beneath me?
Come on.
There's something wrong with our country if that's beneath me.
Rick, there's a lot of Latinos in Florida.
Why don't you encourage them to become teachers?
We need 9500.
Not a title.
Tyler.
Why do you think this is happening?
Anything outside of what we've said?
Why do you think this is happening?
It's interesting.
I mean, you look at the people that are becoming teachers now, and they're more and more activists.
They're more and more focused on themselves.
They want to project their beliefs onto kids.
They want to, you know, it's like you see the libs of TikTok is a funny one, but really look at the average teacher who's teaching kids now coming out of college.
They're activists.
They're not interested in helping the youth grow and really educate and help them learn.
They're interested in indoctrinating them.
And I think there's, I think there's been an interesting loss of that idea of actually educating, not just indoctrinating, not just pushing beliefs, but actually teaching somebody something.
History, the great classic works.
I mean, how to be a better person.
I mean, like really true education.
And I think there's such an interest in myself pushing what I believe, pushing my personal desires onto people.
Yeah.
You know, you know what I'm, you know, I kind of butchered it, but if it makes sense.
I mean, there's a few ways I think about this.
One, if this is the, if you think about 9,000 teachers to me, how many students per teacher?
Is it fair to say 30?
I'd say 30.
Okay, so that's 270,000 kids, right?
If you think about it, that's 270,000 kids.
If it's 9,000 teachers short, so are you doing the numbers to see what it is?
1 in 15.
Is that what it is?
In Florida?
Okay.
So 9,015, 135.
So let's just say 150 to 300,000 students are being affected by this.
Okay.
So how do you handle this?
Do you handle it by giving a bump?
Do you handle it by lowering the requirement to be a teacher?
Do we get the data to see these 9,000 teachers that is shortage?
Is it in elementary?
Is it in junior high?
Is it in high school?
What's the breakdown?
What's the definition of a teacher?
Could it be kindergarten?
How are they processing this?
And then if you're thinking about the future of education, does this mean the education route has to be changed?
Is it more online?
Is it more homeschooling?
What direction is this going to be going?
Because a lot of these types of stats that you see is a byproduct of certain laws, certain new guidelines, rules, a direction certain industry is going where people say, I just want to don't, I don't want to do this job.
I'd be so interested to know more of the data of what category these 9,000 teachers are in.
I'd be curious to know.
But to me, 9,000, I don't know how far the story is going to go, how much more we're going to hear about it.
I'm going to give you some data.
We want to go data with it.
So what percentage of teachers do you think are women?
Most.
75% are women.
Majority.
And the average age of a teacher is 42 years old.
So if I'm a woman and I'm in my early 30s, mid-30s, 42 is the average.
And I'm looking and I'm seeing what's going on all around me.
You said libs of TikTok, right?
All right.
So if I'm an attractive kindergarten teacher and I'm making $42,000 a year and I'm overworked, I'm underpaid.
Yeah, I get the summers off.
That's cool.
And I'm looking around and I'm going down the conspiracy rabbit hole here, but I'm a young, attractive woman, and I see what's going on.
Girls on OnlyFans and COVID and lockdown and masks and kids and snot and flu and COVID.
And Becky down the street is doing OnlyFans a month.
Yeah, exactly.
Just printing money, showing off her.
And she's like, you know what?
Fuck this.
I'm out.
I'm going to go do something else.
I'm going to go.
I'm not saying that the only way to do it.
What school did you go to where every female teacher was hired?
I'm just saying.
Sorry.
What 70 did you have?
Did you go to like Hooters Junior High School?
Obviously, you didn't meet Mrs. McElvane.
Well, I grew up in McClane.
I had a Mrs. Angulo, but it wasn't everybody.
It's a big difference between Mrs. Angulo and Collins.
The reality is most teachers are females, and they're just like, I think I'm over this nonsense.
If we've gotten to a point in this country where you're going to turn down, as I'm reading here, an average salary, starting salary in the state of Florida of between $44,000 and $51,000 because some idea, and the summer's office.
as you said, because you have some, oh, I don't like the way they're saying this or I don't like the way they're doing that.
I don't know, man.
What do you mean?
They don't like the way they're saying that.
Well, whatever it is that they don't like, they don't like the fact that whatever the political argument of the moment is.
I mean, my gosh, it still seems to me like you're passing up on a hell of an opportunity.
So what does that say about our society that people don't need that job?
Once again, the Rick Sanchez Agua Media message, we need more Mexicans.
Well, what does it say about our society is that people don't want to work hard anymore.
They'd rather get rich quick.
They'd rather pump their money into Bitcoin or donate points, bro.
Or sit around and do OnlyFans video.
Why would you want to go to work, work your ass off dealing with snot-nosed kids to make 40 grand a year when you could just turn on a video cam at home and do OnlyFans?
I know that that's an extreme example, but that's the reality.
A lot of people want to get rich quick and not have to work hard.
And that's unfortunately the reality of things.
Either way, it's a sad commentary on the times we live in in America right now when you look at some numbers like that.
So next story.
I'm going to go page five.
This has to do with oil and gas, which if this story is true, this is a very annoying story.
So here we go.
So Biden allowed 5 million barrels from National Reserve to go abroad.
This is a daily mail story.
He shipped 5 million barrels from the United States to Strategic Oil Reserve Rad after claiming that releasing them would help ease Americans' pain at the pumps.
The president faces accusations of a sneaky sleight of hand as it was revealed that between a fifth and a sixth of the reserve oil he bragged about releasing to boost supply made its way offshore to Europe and Asia in June.
Biden authorized the release of a million barrels a day from April onwards, but his action has done little to combat soaring gas prices with the national average sitting at 474 as of Tuesday, still far above the 228 a gallon average from just before he took office from 228 to 474.
5 million barrels abroad to Europe and Asia.
And Pat, and then one, like, how explain to me, we're messed, we're effed up with gas, we're in a shortage.
Explain to me how you think sending all that overseas is going to help us.
What does that even mean?
Like, we're sending, we don't have it.
You guys are paying for it.
We're sending it.
How is that going to make the price go down?
It would seem to me that every decision that has been made by the Biden administration associated with this Ukraine invasion, as we describe it, has been nothing short of disastrous for the American people.
While it has been good for Raytheon to a certain extent, obviously, because they want more weapons, and the Democrats could not push for more wars and more weapons because they take money from the Raytheons and the Lockheed Martins of the world.
And I can share with you the numbers, and they're kind of disgusting how much the profits have gone up since the Ukrainian situation started.
But also, from an energy standpoint, the American people are getting hosed because of Biden's policies having to do with Ukraine and everything.
And by the way, that's not to say that I'm agreeing with frickin Putin and what he's done in Ukraine, but the way we've handled it, those who are being hurt by it are the American people and certainly not, you know, some of Biden's donors, for example.
So the whole thing just really smells.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
So I don't think we can get away from that.
And I think it's going to be something Biden's going to be dealing with for quite some time.
His foreign policy, by the way, sucks.
So here's a question for you, Adam.
Here's a question for any one of you guys here, but specifically Adam, curious what you have to say.
How many of the people that voted for Trump and were true believers of Trump flipped on him?
What percentage?
Since the January 6th hearings?
During his first three years minus COVID, what percentage of the people that voted for Trump flipped on him in the first three years saying, this is a terrible vote, I should have never voted for?
Oh, very few.
Okay, so how many people who voted for Obama three months, three years later said, you know what?
A terrible vote.
I should never have voted for Obama.
Very few.
I agree.
Of course.
How many people flipped on Bush three years later saying horrible vote?
I should have never voted for Bush?
A lot because of the Iraq war.
Okay, fair.
How many people said that with Clinton three years later?
How many people within the first three years who voted for Biden are saying, what the hell did I just do?
Oh, very good question.
What do you think that percentage is?
Because it's not like it's Republicans are being sold out.
Stop throwing the guy under the bus.
Give the guy a second chance.
No, no.
His own people who voted for him are throwing him under the bus at this point.
And that percentage is a big percentage of people who voted for this guy.
I think, Pat, I think they're realizing now it was like, you know, when you buy something, you just want to purchase it.
It was an impulse vote because, you know, COVID and the media and that whirlwind was, it was Trump and Trump.
Oh, he said they came from China, racist, all that, that whirlwind.
They were like, all right, listen, anything will do.
They could have literally had a weekend at Bernie's dead body, which Biden kind of is.
They would have voted for anybody.
And now, now that they're seeing it, now that their wallets are hurting, they're like, oh, shit, we were, I mean, kind of got duped into it, but we're stuck with it.
Well, though, to a certain extent, presidencies are circumstantial.
You are a byproduct of the circumstances that you inherit.
To be fair with Trump or to be fair with Obama or to be fair with anybody, even this Mr. Sleepy.
There are some things you could cogently say that he has had laid upon him, which were very difficult to manage.
That said, that's your fucking job.
I agree.
Okay?
FDR didn't say, oh, these freaking Nazis, this is not fair.
No, Nazis are there.
You got to take them on.
You know, when Obama had to deal with the meltdown, you know, give him credit.
He dealt with it.
I don't necessarily like the way he dealt with it, but he dealt with it and he helped it.
So you got to deal with what you're dealt, man.
Those are the cards.
Here, you got an X?
No, you got no Aces.
Oh, sorry.
And, you know, people will say that that's a circumstantial situation for Biden.
But on top of the fact that he's had tough circumstances, I will give him that.
This inflation situation was not made by him.
He's not dealing with it properly.
Nor is he capable of dealing with it properly because he's not a strong leader.
That's my point.
Great.
I think it's going to be very interesting how much worse it can get under him.
Like he's not even wanted to come out.
Like this one lady, Democratic strategist, just said the following.
I just want to read this one quote to you.
I'm going to go to the last story, which is the Highland Park.
It's infuriating, said OneTop's Democratic strategist, venting frustrations about Biden and his team.
Our house is on fire, and it seems like they're doing nothing to put out the fire.
They're just watching it with the rest of us.
So, meaning, here's the policies you said you were going to go through.
You have the house, you have every, it's all you, and you can't get shit done.
We thought you were going to get everything done.
Now, what do we do?
It's catastrophic.
Midterms, I just can't wait for midterms to see what happens there.
Last story, Highland Park.
Okay, Dali.
Tragic event on what happened in Highland Park.
4th of July shooting, suspect charged with seven counts of first-degree murder.
On Tuesday, the Lake County State Attorney Eric Reinhart announced that a suspect, Robert Cremo III, has been charged with seven counts of first-degree murder in connection to the mass shooting at Highland Park, 4th of July parade.
We anticipate dozens of more charges centering around each of the victims, psychological victims, physical victims, attempted murder charges, aggravated discharge charges, aggravated battery charges.
There will be dozens more charges against Mr. Cremo, but these seven counts of first-degree murder will lead to a mandatory life sentence should he be convicted without the possibility of parole.
And then you have a couple other stories.
I'll read one of them here to you.
Highland Park tells, boom, police flagged Highland Park shooter clear on present danger in 2019.
He later cleared four background checks.
Robert Bobby Cremo III, 21 years old, the suspect in a mass shooting that killed seven people and wounded dozens of others on 4th of July parade, was still able to clear state-required background checks to purchase firearms on at least four separate occasions between 2020 and 2021.
The Illinois State Police reported in September 2019, ISP received a clear and present danger report on the subject from the Highland Park Police Department.
The report was related to threats the subject made against his family and not willing to move forward on a complaint.
Next thing you know, obviously, this is documented and the event take place.
You have any thoughts on this, Adam?
I mean, at this point, we're just going to go run around in circles and talk about what needs to get done here and, you know, background checks, health, mental health, the gun.
We're just talking in circles here.
You talked about you shot a video and you're like, oh, we need to, after Uvalde, a how-to video, what can we do about gun control?
And you talked about, well, I think we need to redo the video because of this shooting.
And then I, not even sarcastically, I said, well, don't wait too long to do that because there's going to be another shooting.
And that's the, look, we're going to talk in circles here.
The kid, somehow, his father co-signed to get the gun and he passed these background checks somehow.
This kid, you showed a video today that he reenacted what he would do.
And it's not a good thing.
And nobody would have said nothing.
So I think, you know, Extreme Times, Jurassic Times called for Jurassic Measures.
I'm going to give an angle that nobody, I don't hear talking about.
The family of this person or the family of any shooter, what happens to them?
Nothing.
What happens?
Like, I understand that the father didn't pull the trigger or the grandma or the uncle, but these people have a complete lack of regard for human life.
But I assume at some, in some level in their life, this person cares about his grandma or cares about his dad or his family or his sister.
And I'm not saying that those people need to go to jail over this, but that family, something needs to happen to have accountability.
Whereas as you're about to, this fucking kid dresses up as a woman, covers up his tattoos, and he's going on a roof and he's about to shoot a bunch of people.
And he knows that he's going to say, all right, once I do this, I'm going to jail the rest of my life or I'm going to die.
And that's it.
He's only thinking about himself.
But in the back of your mind, if you're an active shooter and you're thinking, whoa, hold on.
This is really, my entire family is going to face the ramifications of this or my grandma is going to go to jail.
I'm going way completely off the deep end.
Maybe that will be like a trigger, no pun intended, something in him to say, you know what?
I love my family too.
I hate myself.
I hate people.
The girl that didn't want to kiss me in school, the video game, my butt, like something extreme needs to be done here because if it's still red flag laws, background checks, mental health, you know, accessibility to guns, it's the same fucking talking points.
We need to do something different.
And you know what tripped me out about this story?
When I heard this and how it's crazy how this happened in Chicago, right?
How this gets only this type of mass shooting got, you know, people are still talking about this all big.
Do you know how many mass shootings are?
And you talked about this, Adam, a couple podcasts ago.
It's like three or more people, right?
Chicago from September of May 2018 till today, 811 people killed or injured in mass shootings.
This one's the only one that gets this past weekend, I think there was like 80 or some people shot and like, I think another nine or 10 on top of this.
It's just crazy how that gets storied.
It's those people that were at the parade that matter, but all the people that are getting killed, all the minorities inside of Chicago, that mayor, whoever's the mayor of Chicago, I get it.
Horrible job.
What do you do?
Like, we keep talking about changing everything.
You guys got to do it.
How do you still have a job as a mayor of Chicago?
I know it's a fucking, whoever comes in, it's horrible.
None of them are really doing anything.
Here's the crazy thing about this guy.
His father ran against the current Highland Parks mayor as a mayoral race.
I don't know if you got what I just said.
Yeah, the Democratic killers, the guy that did his dad ran against the current mayor of the city where he did the shooting.
Wow.
That's a little creepy right there for the story.
Yeah, when you hear the story.
I think the takeaway is when your son shows up at home and he has a tattoo on his forehead and on his cheek, you've got a problem and don't let him get a gun.
Or when they wear those tight, tight army shoes.
And you know, people, my dad would have kicked my ass if I would have shown up.
I mean, my dad used to not let me come into the house without having to look at him in the eyes.
Yes.
The shit about you get into your house late at night when your parents are asleep.
Yeah, of course.
You know what my dad would do?
He went to sleep in my bed to make sure I had to wake him up.
And then I had to face him to make sure I wasn't stoned or drunk or I had something else going on.
There's a lot of people.
It's called accountability.
I agree.
And there's a lot of Gen Z younger kids where it's cool to get tattoos on your faces.
So I'm not saying just because you get a tattoo on your face, you're going to become a killer.
But this guy was a clear and present danger.
That's what the police said.
They marked him as that in 2019.
And then his father sponsored his guy.
So here's my point.
The father didn't do anything wrong with the people.
They lived in the same house.
The uncle, the father, and his son.
And when we were interviewing, something new needs to happen where the father, the uncle, the grandma, they all need to go to fucking jail.
Okay, it sounds bombastic and sarcastic.
No.
One guy took down seven lives.
So what?
We're going to just punish the kid and he goes to jail?
I like what Adam said.
Something drastic needs to get done so stop going off your drastic, which I kind of like.
I thought of it like as, you know, we let terrorists know because everybody loves their family.
If you are a shooter and you kill, let's say, seven people, we're just giving you a heads up.
So everybody be on alert.
We're going to kill seven people and your family, we're going to off them.
They're going to be fucked out of the house.
Now you just show to everybody you're from Iran.
Yeah, but that's extremely short.
But those are the type of extreme measures that they do.
Because here's my thing.
There's no solution.
Nobody's even trying.
How about this?
A heads up, school shooters.
If you shoot somebody, period, in a school, we're going to go after your fucking family and make them suffer.
Can we at least try that?
Hang on.
No, because that wouldn't be legal.
And I get that that's not the American way.
I get that that's not the American way.
I get that.
You have a bad kid.
I get that that's not the American way.
But you know what?
It's not the American way.
Rick, I hear you.
That's not your job.
That's not what I'm saying.
That's not what our justice system is.
Okay, misbehave.
You're putting them to jail.
You know what else is not the American way?
Showing up to salute your country on July 4th and getting shot the fuck dead because you wanted to celebrate your country.
So like this person right here needs to be held as a domestic terrorist on July 4th.
He's killing people.
You know what that would be?
On parade?
If you're the parent of a kid that's crazy, kind of has tattoos and is a clear and present danger, guess what?
That parent's going to be way more involved in free shooting.
I agree with Adam.
Hey, by the way, are you wanting military boosts to school?
Fuck.
Stay in the house.
I'm not even in your crazy battle.
I get that that's not what our justice system is built on.
Yeah.
But what says what are we going to do here?
It says the only two guys in room with no kids.
Thank you.
Okay, hang on a minute.
Let's not forget the Valdez shooter shot his grandmother in the face.
Ovaldi.
Yeah.
Like before he went out and killed a bunch of people.
So I'm not sure how much your theory would imply.
Maybe it will slow it down a little bit.
She should have seen it coming.
To be fair, and listen, my daughter is only 19 months.
I'm kidding, man.
It would be more interesting to hear Pat's take on this, but I would feel as a parent, the hardest thing I could do is lose faith in my daughter.
Like the hardest thing I could do is lose faith in my child and say, listen, this is a bad kid.
This is a bad egg.
I need to do something about it.
And not to mention, what kind of a fucking slippery slope are you going down when you're now prosecuting family members?
I mean, how far and how broad can that be explained?
Okay, I mean, I think it's a good idea.
What solutions do you have, though?
Where's the accountability?
Where's the accountability in the house?
Morally, your solution is spot on.
We're not disagreeing with you morally.
The law isn't helping you.
What you're essentially saying is parents should start being accountable and responsible for children by making sure that they're involved and engaged in their children's lives.
And that's a great point that you're making.
But when you take it to the point that we need to start prosecuting them for the actions of their children, that gets a little iffy.
Unless, of course, they bought them a gun or snuck a gun.
I'm not that.
I'm just saying accountability.
I'm not saying it needs to be jail time.
They need to be fined.
Something needs to happen to these families.
Didn't one of those parents go to jail?
Those two, the two parents of, I don't know which school shooting back, two of them got arrested and then went to jail because they gave them this gun.
At what point does this stop being a government issue where we just force laws and actually become a cultural change?
I mean, when are we going to realize that this is an issue with the culture in the country right now?
Well, how do you change the culture?
Start disciplining your kids.
You can't stop playing video games so much.
Stop watching the movie.
Adam, I think people are going to change culture.
I think parents, I think parents, listen, I think it was two generations after my, I'm not saying hit your kids.
Disciplining your kids became taboo.
Can I ask you guys a question?
Why did Jordan Peterson all of a sudden become mainstream?
Why did Jordan Peterson all of a sudden blow up the way he did?
What did he start talking about?
Because he's pushing a message that people are longing for.
Say that again.
He's pushing a message that people, they're longing for it.
They're hurting for it.
They want to hear it.
So he gave a message about what it is to be a man.
Okay.
So he's helping boys become men.
He's talking about personal responsibility.
The 12 rules of life.
Clean your bed, you know, make your do this, all these basic to think about.
Nothing he said is like E equals MC square.
Oh my God.
Everything he said is just basic stuff that, you know, many people a generation ago were being taught that it skipped a generation that they're not teaching.
I'm going to keep saying this over and over again.
This goes back to values and principles.
This goes back to values and principles.
Choose a religion, okay, that has got the right values and principles and start telling schools to pray.
I don't care what it is, whether it's prayer, values, and principles, 10 commandments.
I don't care which one of these it is.
Make it a requirement to start teaching basic values and principles.
Now, of course, Adam's got a very good point because the responsibility is on the parent.
So where this goes even more to, you know, single family households where, you know, there's a single parent household.
Kids are being raised by that.
But this has to be the main.
If there's any books that you can write right now that I believe will do very well that people want to read, if there's any channels you can create, any content you can create, anything you can write about, anything you can build of your YouTube channel, your blog, your website, whatever you're doing, this will do very, very well right now, the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years.
And I don't think this is going to go away anytime soon.
Because most of the churches that you go to nowadays, a lot of them are out of touch.
It's being ran by a 72-year-old pastor and he's giving messages that just he has a hard time connecting with the audience.
I went to a couple of them, one of the biggest churches in Dallas I went to.
I sat there on Easter and I said, dude, you just don't connect with me.
I have a hard time connecting with you.
Where's Dudley Rutherford, who connected with everybody in LA, right?
I think there's a big opportunity in churches, and I think there's a big opportunity for people who are teaching the right morals, the right values, and the right principles.
Until we start doing that, and by the way, my messaging of what I'm saying, guess how long the ship's going to take with my strategy?
How long do you think it's?
It's a long time.
Twenty decades.
Two decades.
Twenty years.
By the decades.
By the way, not to bring it back to what I'm doing, but I'm going to bring it back to what I'm doing.
You will find within the Latino community in the United States and Latinos in general, the adherence to parental obedience is bigger and better than it is in most other cohorts.
For some reason, when I fear my dad's going to kick my ass for something I even thought before I did it, I tended not to do it.
And we are raised that way.
It's a moralistic kind of teaching, but somehow maybe it comes from Catholicism.
I don't know.
Maybe it comes from our own sense of Christianity.
Maybe it does.
Maybe it doesn't.
I'm not saying everybody has to be like, think like me because I happen to be a Christian.
But something in the Latino DNA makes people less apt to want to be lazy and more apt to be want to work and accept personal responsibility.
And when I'm doing Rick Sanchez News, my podcast, that's something I constantly try to make sure that I talk about because it's about fitting the people to the argument, no matter what the story is on that day.
Which makes me think as we're discussing this, you're probably going to be less apt to see that kind of behavior in our community.
Well, I think, which is a good thing.
Having Cuban friends, I think it comes down to the chancleta.
Yeah.
They'll take you a sandal and they'll hit you over the head.
And I don't know what your parents used to hit me with.
My dad was a belt, but in the Cuban household of Miami, they'll take a sandbox.
My mother used to be.
They'll sit at the front porch in our house in Ayalia and say, no, to via peg.
In other words, I'm not going to hit you.
I'm not going to hit you.
Come on in.
I know it'd been bad.
And then she'd wait there by the porch.
And as soon as I tried to stick the house, she would hit me.
And I was like, oh my God, I knew this was going to happen.
And she gets me every time.
You accountability.
My mom, who cooks a lot past, she'd have a wooden spoon, like an old school wooden spoon, and we'd do something insane.
And she would hit us and it broke, which took her to a whole nother level because it was my, but I think, like, especially with the Latino community, and I don't think it's a minority thing, but like Middle Easterns and the disciplining of your kids, and we were scared.
The father, like six words, if your mother said, put you in your place.
Six words.
Wait until your father gets home.
That I'd be like, don't.
I'd be like, I'll clean, I'll kiss your feet.
Because if he knew it was over.
And I think that that's gone away in this culture now.
Is you can't even, you can't even tell them anything because they'll kids snitch.
Like, you can't told me this.
You told me that touched me.
How much of this has to do with technology and the fact that we don't spend enough time talking and sharing these ideas?
Just throw an iPad at them.
Take this.
People, you know, millions of people are probably going to be listening to this conversation because they don't have somebody to have a conversation with.
So they have to rely on Patrick and his friends to have a conversation.
And to a certain extent, that's great because at least we're having a cogent, decent conversation.
But I would almost encourage those people once in a while to go have a conversation with your son or your uncle or your daughter or whoever because I don't think that's happening.
And that's what I see out of that story out of Highland Park, Illinois, that that's not happening.
When you live with a boy, because this kid was a boy, and he lives in your house, and you've been there 10 years living in that house with him, and a reporter comes and asks him, tell me about him, and you say, I don't know anything about him.
You got a problem.
And if that's indicative of America, we got a problem.
Yep.
Totally agree.
You know, final thoughts here.
How much of a role does the president play on how fathers lead their kids?
How much credence do you put on that?
Or is it more TV dads?
Like, you know, how there was a TV dad with Will Smith's dad, whatever his name was, you know, Uncle Phil.
Bill Cosby was a, you know, he was a TV dad.
A lot of guys have played a TV dad.
How much of a role do you think the president, the leader of a nation, plays on how to help raise your kids?
Quite a lot.
What do you think?
What do you think?
I'm actually curious.
I don't know the survey, but what do you think?
You're saying quite a lot.
What do you think?
I mean, if he accepts it.
What I'm gravitating to is when on the debate stage, when they asked Hillary and Trump to say one nice thing about the opponent, and Hillary said, nice thing I'll say about Donald Trump is at least you've raised some good kids.
I mean, that was great.
So if what you guys are saying is true, which a tough father produces great kids, then how would you rate Biden's style of raising kids?
Because so I don't know.
Not going because the product on how the product is doing, whether it's Hunter or all that other stuff.
And you look at a Trump or you look at Obama's kids or you look at, like, I don't see Michelle being a passive kid, a passive.
Me neither.
I see Michelle being tough.
I don't see Obama being tough, but I see Michelle being tough.
I see Trump having expected kids.
I agree.
No, no, I agree.
So to me, I don't know.
And by the way, let me tell you, I don't think this is an 18-month thing since Biden's taking house.
I think this has been a conversation we've gotten away from for a couple decades.
You don't get to a point like this overnight.
You get to a point like this.
It's a gradual process of getting there.
But to work it out of this place, it's not going to be a two-year deal, a four-year deal.
I think that's a good idea.
To use your great expression earlier today on another matter, this man is an accidental president.
So to use him as an example of what's happening from the president's standpoint is a very good thing.
But by the way, not all kids are critical.
I mean, for instance, he did lose a son, Bo Biden, who was a full-on military hero.
Purple Heart lost his life in battle.
Correct.
And so that's like someone like him is a lot different from Hunter.
Who's a drug addict?
Who's a full-on crackhead?
Yeah.
Who's a lot different from Ashley Biden, who literally I partied with at Tulane, like back in the late 90s.
That's a fair point.
Who was a party girl?
Gotcha.
So not all kids are the same.
Just like, you know, you have four kids.
They're not all exactly the same.
Can you tell me about that party after the show?
Yeah, I definitely want to know about that.
Ashley Biden.
No wonder he defends the Biden family as much as he does.
That makes sense.
Ashley's got him by the jungle.
He's got you.
Maybe.
You better or else.
I will tell that story.
Okay.
All right.
Sounds good.
Well, gang, this was a blast.
Rick, appreciate you for coming out.
We got a blast with you.
Sanchez was great.
I feel like I was with my brother.
Go follow the man's podcast, Rick Sanchez News on Apple Podcasts.
Tyler put the link below so people can find it easily.
We just got a word that Boris Johnson resigned.
He gave this speech, which is kind of interesting.
The guy resigned.
We haven't had a chance to get into it.
Maybe we will next week.
It broke early this morning.
Yeah, it broke early this morning.
But anyways, gang, have a great weekend.
Am I in town next week?
I'm out of town next week.
We are back next Tuesday with John Paul Mack Isaac, the owner of the laptop store in Delaware that found the Hunter laptop.
