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This is an emergency podcast we're holding for one specific reason because tomorrow's podcast will be specifically with Chas Palmenteri, the actor from Bronx Tale, which means we're not going to have time to talk about politics, California.
And then we won't have podcasts till next week.
And I'm going to be on a special event this Friday.
You'll hear about it.
I think you'll hear about it by probably Friday afternoon, which I'll post it.
It'll be a surprise.
But we got Tom Zenner that just flew in.
He's here today.
He's flying back to California.
No, no, I got airlifted here.
I got rescued from California.
You got rescued.
The choppers picked me up.
I was one of the last ones to get out of California late last night, right?
Congratulations.
Gee, if we didn't do the podcast tonight to talk about California, we wouldn't be able to talk about it till next week.
So this is only going to be a 45-minute podcast for us to discuss three topics, that being one of them, General Milley being another one.
And they announced what's going on with the tax numbers.
Maybe we can get into that a little bit deeper as well.
But first, let's talk about what just took place with California.
Kai, if you want to pull up the article, I'll read the story from The Guardian.
And then if you want to pull up the article, before you get into it, you want to explain why this story means so much from you.
You're from California, you moved out of California.
There's a lot because I'm getting bombarded with people are asking me, what do you think about what happened?
What do you think about what happened?
What do you think what happened?
I'm like, I can't send 100 messages to people.
What do you think about what happened?
It's a lot easier to just do one podcast.
Go watch it.
Here's what we think would happen to California.
So, Governor Newsom, Gavin Newsom, will remain California governor after a handily defeating recall attempt, not even close, The Guardian, right?
Newsom has prevailed in a historic recall election that had him battling for his political life in a referendum on the governor's leadership through the pandemic.
Voters resoundingly rejected the choice to replace him with a Trumpist Republican.
You got to keep in mind, this is The Guardian.
Newsom's most popular challenger was Larry Elder, a right-wing radio host who drew comparisons to the former president and who attempted to sow baseless doubts about the election process.
Newsome said that in voting no on the Republican-led recall, Californians said yes to science.
They said yes to vaccines.
They said yes to women's rights.
They said yes to immigrant rights.
They said yes to minimum wage, the environment, our future.
We rejected cynicism and bigotry and chose hope and progress.
And then if you saw him give the speech, he got emotional.
He said, Trump is claiming there was voter fraud here.
This is a very emotional moment for us.
He kind of felt a little bit emotional, didn't do any questions.
He just walked off, right?
And by the way, numbers-wise, yesterday was 67%.
We know Bakersfield and Fresno that are both big Republican counties.
They did not.
The vote comes in a little bit later.
Now it's 63.9%.
5.8.4 million people voted no on the recall.
3.297 million voted yes on the recall.
You got 9.137 million.
And then there's the stats on what it's looking like.
Yes versus the no.
So first person I'm going to go to.
I have thoughts on this, but I'm going to go to you first.
Okay.
I'm going to go to you first.
I'm curious to know, folks, if you're watching this, I don't know where your position is.
I don't know if you're from California or not.
I also want to hear from some of your thoughts about what you think about what happened with California.
But Tom, you live in California.
We spoke yesterday at 4 o'clock.
When I spoke to Tom yesterday, Tom couldn't even stay focused for a second, by the way.
He was nervous the entire time me and Mario were talking to him.
I said, Tom, why do you look so nervous?
He says, today's the day.
I said, so what's going on?
I said, everywhere I go, I'm hearing all this stuff.
So why don't you tell us how you felt about what happened last night?
No, here's how I feel.
Literally, I mean, I felt this way last night.
I felt this way this morning when I was leaving California, too.
I literally feel like your favorite team, say you've been following a team forever and they lose the Super Bowl.
But on that same day, your favorite team loses the NBA championship and the World Series, and the Easter Bunny gets run over by a cement truck.
Why is that?
Just because I had hope.
I mean, there's very little things that you could hold out hope for, right?
With the grip that the Democrats have and how California has just literally turned into a different state.
All right, Pat, you used to live there.
Everybody else, a lot of people watching this right now either live there or visited there.
It is not the same state.
You take a drive anywhere and you just think you're in an alternate universe because this is not the California that was the that beckoned everybody from all over the world and all over the United States that wanted to be there.
So it was very depressing.
And I literally, I had built up my hopes.
I literally thought there was a chance that this could happen because everybody I talked to that was a Democrat or would be a traditional California Democrat in a normal world, they're flipping.
Here's the other thing.
Dash had baseball last night.
So he was training from 6.30 to 8.
I voted like at 7.30.
The lines were down the street at 7.30.
But by 6.30, the LA Times, everybody else is calling this thing.
Plus with all the mail-in votes, I'm not trying to say, you know, that anything happened that shouldn't have happened or there was any fraud.
I don't know.
Maybe there was.
But how do you call an election that quickly?
You do it because you have the media right in your back pocket.
They'll do whatever they want.
It's the LA Times.
It's just, it's unbelievable how they were gearing up for this three or four days in advance, saying that it was going to be a wipeout, trying to get people not to go to the polls.
So it was depressing for me because I liked Larry Elder.
I liked what he stood for.
I think he made a couple of mistakes, Pat.
I don't think he got personal with Gavin Newsom like he should have.
I think all he was talking about was policy and what he was going to do.
He's not an experienced politician.
He should have got in there because he had plenty of ammunition where he could have buried Newsome on some personal things, just like Newsome did to him.
So that's how I'm feeling today.
I'm a little bit bummed, but I'm an optimist.
I'm always looking for the silver lining.
And here's it for me.
We've got the Super Bowl coming up in February.
We got the World Cup and we've got the Olympics all coming to LA.
You cannot put on these types of shows on the global stage and have your backyard be a garbage dump, which is basically what LA is.
That's a very good point.
What Southern California is.
That's a very, very good point you just made.
Yep.
So if those things are coming to you and they're talking about a shutdown because of vaccine mandates, you know, they just announced today bars, movies, restaurants, all the places you go in in LA, you're required to show your vaccine passport to go into these places.
That was just announced today.
Okay.
So how do you run those events?
Well, you know, you do the facelift, right?
You clean the homeless off the street near Inglewood, where the Super Bowl is going to be in the new stadium or downtown.
Or even if you watch the Sunday night game last night, they showed all the beauty shots of LA during the season opener for the Rams on Sunday night.
But for the World Cup and the Olympics, it's going to be different because that's the world converging on your city and it's two and a half or three weeks or even a month.
So I don't know.
I mean, I knew it was going to come.
Of course.
And then there's going to be payback, right?
Because Newsom's going to take it personally that they even tried to get him out.
So he's going to bury us under his thumb even worse.
I'm scared.
Do you have an opinion on this or no?
You seem quiet.
Well, of course.
Tell us what you got.
You seem quiet because I'm listening to Tom Zenner cry over here.
All right, bro.
How the hell would you feel?
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not from California.
I've never dealt with a recall like this.
I feel like this is a California thing.
How many other states are having recalls?
Your boy George Will, who is a mentor?
What would you say?
He's not a mentor.
I would say he was one of the first.
A thought leader of yours.
Yeah.
He was one of the first ones that influenced me.
You know, he was on Bill Maher recently, I think last week.
And he conservative, right?
I don't know if I put him as a conservative.
He's 100% a conservative, but he's not a Trump conservative.
He's not a Maggot.
He's a Maggot.
He's a Bush.
He's a Lincoln Project guy.
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a conservative, though.
I don't know if it is.
To be honest with you, we can go off the rails here.
I don't even know what a conservative is at this point.
I don't think it matters anymore.
I don't even know what it means.
The idea of left and right, of Republican and Democrat, of liberal and conservative, they're just words at this point.
I do agree with you on that.
What we have emerging are two very, very clear camps.
You have the collectivists and you have the individualists.
You have the globalists and the federalists.
And that's what's really emerging.
That's a better way of putting it.
I agree, bro.
I would venture to guess that 50% of the people could not define any of those words he just used.
Yeah, it's very collectivist means what?
So what is the benefit?
We're all going to do this, I guess.
So, Professor, I heard a professor from Cornell University said what makes capitalism work and what makes this work in companies and what backfires on companies is you have to be able to pump up the collective, but make sure you individually recognize the individuals above and beyond everybody else, which means what?
The team wins a championship.
You can't say, oh, we did this all together.
It wasn't because of one person.
No, here's how a football game ends with.
Gank, great job defense, great job offense, phenomenal job.
But the game ball goes to Bob Murphy.
America's not doing game ball anymore.
America's just doing we won.
We forgot about the game ball.
That's what he's saying, collective.
But go ahead.
You're going to make your point about California.
Look, being from Florida, we don't have the divisive politics that you guys have in California.
This is something that I've learned since being at Valutainement.
Even New Jersey, like Gerard has very strong feelings against the.
Don't say his name.
We're having a good name.
Your boy Phil Murphy, whatever his name is.
Very strong feelings.
You have very strong feelings against Gavin Newsom.
In Florida, we're just like, look, we're a purple state.
Look, we'll get along.
We'll not get along.
It's fine.
It's all good.
I'll see you at the club.
It's not that big of a deal.
Obviously, in California, it's a very big deal.
But I'm not shocked by this.
I think what I'm most shocked at is the fact that I've been spoon-fed this Gavin Newsom's out of here for the last year.
And dude, it wasn't even close.
67%.
It wasn't even close.
Like, we've been, we've been, whether it's the topics we cover, whether it's the people that are on the show, whether it's.
Who said he's going to be out?
Who said?
Who has said he's going to be out?
No, it's just been a theme that we've been discussing, that Gavin Newsom.
He's going to be out no matter what.
I mean, well, Tom's, when Tom Zenner guaranteed it, I knew it wasn't happening.
No, no.
I'm not.
I'm just saying.
But continue, please.
The bottom line is this.
It wasn't close.
Two to one margins is the exact same margin.
What does that mean to you?
What does that mean?
It doesn't mean anything.
California, there's no meaning that there's two to one Democrats in California.
California is a Democratic state.
Right.
Nice try, Larry Elder, wasn't happening.
The closest thing they had to Republican recently was the governor.
Screw your freedoms, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
The point is this.
I thought this would be a lot closer because of the stuff that I'm hearing around us, but it wasn't even close.
Had it been 10 points, 20 points, whatever, it wasn't even a close situation before Gerard got together.
I'm trying to see if you're trying to make a point, bro.
Tell me.
The point is it wasn't close.
I know, but what does that mean?
Why did we think it was going to be close?
No, it's not about.
Okay, so why isn't it close?
Tell me why it's not close.
Because Democrats, everything was voted around political lines.
Would you not agree that California is not the most, or if not the biggest Democratic state in the country?
Top five, yeah.
Bluestate.
Okay.
Some would say number one.
So why are we shell-shocked on this?
Meaning, why, I'm not saying we.
Why were you shell-shocked?
Well, here, I was.
Because you spoke to some friends that thought that.
Well, I'm God.
I live there.
It's a big one.
I'm not even being sarcastic.
Exactly.
You're like, oh my God, the Easter Bunny got around over.
It's like, nah.
We all saw this coming.
Yeah, but when you see homeless people, you're going to be able to 20% on every street around you and what LA's turned into.
You'd take it a little bit more personally.
Here's a quick of what you asked Adam right now.
Here's what it tells me.
The Democrats have a game plan and an agenda when it comes to an election.
They attack, they rally, they do whatever it takes to win, and they're successful at it.
Obama was cutting TV commercials.
All right, Biden was in Long Beach on Monday night.
They rally together.
Whether they're telling you the truth or not, they have a message, they stick to it, and they're ruthless.
And the Republicans don't play that way.
I respect that.
Yeah, the Republicans haven't picked up that play card yet.
Let me say one thing, and then I want to get Gerard's thoughts.
Here are the biggest issues in California.
Let me ask you, let me ask a question.
Who from the Republican side showed up to California to help Larry Elder?
Not one damn person.
Give me one name showed up to California.
I can't think of one.
That's the point.
Zero.
Zero.
And Larry Elder's so articulate because he's a broadcaster that he can carry a message by himself and he's likable.
And on paper, how could you not love the guy?
But no one showed up.
No one showed up.
No one did.
No one showed up.
Well, that's on the Republicans.
I can't get mad at the Democrats.
They showed up.
I fully agree.
Exactly.
What did we talk about today?
You said the best ability is your availability.
Obama made himself available.
Biden made himself available.
I agree.
Kamla made herself available.
Who made themselves available for no debate?
That's why I'm not shocked.
Go ahead.
Give you a reason.
Here's what they said the biggest issues were for the voting bloc.
First and foremost, not even close was COVID.
31%.
Number two, like you said, homelessness, 22%.
The economy, taxes, 16%.
Top three.
Wildfires in California, big deal, 14%.
And then number five, crime, 8%.
Yeah, and all reasons to do it.
So that's out.
I can't believe it turned out like what?
By the way.
Okay, so to your point, they asked, how's California doing with COVID?
40% said it's getting better.
40%.
30% said it's staying the same.
24% said it's getting worse.
So to your point, they're actually happy with the job he's doing against the 2020s.
No, that's not.
Wait a minute.
Reread that number again.
Go back to 260%.
No, no.
You said 40% said it's getting worse.
It's getting better.
30% said what?
It's staying the same.
And 20% said what?
It's getting worse.
What's a bigger number, 50 or 40?
Staying the same.
Staying the same and 20 is not a positive.
Well, it's not getting worse.
No, no, but you don't understand.
Staying the same is not a positive thing to vote for.
Which poll is that?
Yeah, staying the same isn't that.
They're talking to teachers outside of a user home.
So let me give my take here.
Well, the polling shows that he won.
So what are we talking about?
Not he won.
He destroyed.
Exactly.
By the way, this is like 48 to touch each other.
This was an ass whooping.
Buddy, it's not even close.
So here's a couple things.
Here's a couple things.
One, is anybody surprised?
Guys are texting me, and the only answer I'm giving is, why are you surprised?
Why are you surprised?
Tell me why you're surprised.
Okay.
One, on a recall, does he have to debate anybody?
No, no.
Just like yesterday.
That's a good question, right?
Number two, can he use the government funds to help him win the recall?
Yes or no?
Yes.
You know how much money he spent of taxpayers' money to help him?
Probably $200 million.
$80 million.
That dinner costs him $80 million.
Larry Elder doesn't have that kind of money.
Which means what makes you think the right guy won?
It's the guy with more money and more poll won.
It's not the right guy won.
It's not every politician.
But let's continue.
Let's continue.
Second, third part.
There is no debate for me to sit against this guy to really be able to weigh him out.
So that's just not going to be taking place, right?
I mean, we covered that a little bit earlier, but there's no debate.
I didn't see Larry Elder's policies going up against his policies.
There was nothing like that.
We did not see a single debate because that's how the system is set up, right?
Okay, fine.
Let's continue.
What does this mean with Obama, Biden, all of those guys showing up?
What does it mean?
Hey, Republicans, just so you know, that picture with you, Bush, Obama, everybody together, saying Bush is now changing his legacy because he keeps throwing Trump under the bus.
Guess what you're indirectly doing?
You're doing exactly what they want you to do for them to win because they are united and they have somebody from the other side on their side, which means Republicans are confused.
If I'm a Republican and if I go out, say I'm a big governor Republican, I go out and I support Larry Elder.
Am I indirectly being seen as being a pro-Trump guy because Larry Elder is a pro-Trump guy?
Yes.
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
So your advisor as a governor who's got election coming up, you're sitting, your advisor saying, listen, I'll skip this one.
I probably wouldn't go to this one if I were you.
Just kind of stay home, dude.
You don't need to do this.
Who cares if California?
We don't get nothing from California.
So I'm not going, right?
Okay.
Go to the next part.
So Obama, Biden, those guys, Kamalo, Go, Pelosi, they all support him.
Fantastic.
Phenomenal job.
When is the last time California has a Republican governor?
When's the last time?
That's not a Republican.
But he was a Republican.
He's not a Republican, but a true Republican.
Maybe he's a rhino.
No, he's not.
Republican.
He's saying that part of the party.
He ran as a Republican.
He's not a Republican.
What do you mean?
I agree.
You're right.
He ran as a Roman Reagan.
But he's not a Republican.
He's a celebrity.
Meaning.
He's a celebrity that ran as a Republican.
He's not a Republican.
He's not a Republican.
Well, Pat Stan is true Republican.
That's what we talked about in our politician.
The words are so confusing.
Just like I tell you, Trump's not a Republican.
Trump to me is an independent.
He's not a Republican.
The first independent president we ever had was Donald Trump.
He's not a Republican.
Don't get it twisted.
The guy had to run as a Republican ticket, not an independent ticket.
So Arnold is probably an independent.
He ran as a Republican ticket.
He's not a Republican.
You don't win as a Republican, okay?
Just like Kevin that came over here, meet Kevin, he ran as a what? Democrat.
But he's not a Democrat.
He's probably an independent, but he can't win on an independent ticket.
He's 1961, 49 Democrats.
I say he's an independent, but strategically he made the right choice to run as a Democrat.
Basically, you're saying people are independent.
You got to pick an R or D.
The last time California had a Republican governor was probably Wilson or the Armenian governor that they have, Dukmedian.
I think that's his last name.
Pete Dukmejan, that was an Armenian governor.
I went to a couple events in his later years.
So the last time they had governor Republican was quite some time ago.
What does that mean for California?
What are the chances of a Republican person winning in California the next eight years?
Let's see.
Let's process that together and kind of go through it.
All right.
Number one, how many people, watch this year, watch the angle I'm going to take with this.
How many people like Tom didn't leave California because they were hopeful that a Larry Elder or somebody would flip, the recall would happen, and they're not leaving California because let's face it, there's not a state in America that has better weather than California.
If you take regulation, the way you handle COVID and taxes out, there's not a state that competes with California.
Let's take governing out.
No, no, if you take governing out, I'm telling you right now, there's no weather.
And that's what comes.
That's California.
See what it should be.
No weather comes out.
Florida's closed.
No, no, no, no.
Don't close.
I don't think it's two different climates.
One is the Mediterranean.
But I tell you, I choose California one.
I choose Florida number two, just so you know.
But to me, it's a very close, but I still put California at the time.
And I'm not even living in California.
I'm in Florida right now.
But here's what just happened.
This is the part why I don't think Republicans are going to win there for a long time.
Okay?
Four, eight years.
I think it's got to get very painful before something happens.
Here's my prediction.
My prediction is those who were on the tipping point, they officially booked their tickets.
Now, booking their tickets could be 90 days, could be six months, could be 12 months.
Oh, yeah.
Could be 18 months, could be 24 months.
But how many husband and wives had a conversation last night saying, babe, what are we doing?
I remember when I had my conversation.
Business owner.
I left in 20, I left in what year?
I left in Kai.
I left California.
Shit, what is it?
Like we came here when?
February of 2021.
Go back five years as well, 2016.
We left February 1st of 2016, right?
Do you know when I knew I was leaving California?
2013, maybe?
I was in Woodland Hills in my office.
A guy knocked on my door, said, I'm here to collect taxes.
I said, what?
He said, I'm here to collect taxes.
What kind of taxes?
I pay my state taxes.
I pay my federal taxes.
He says, it's county taxes.
I said, wait, what are you talking about?
He says, yes, county taxes.
We hear that you're doing well.
We obviously follow your stuff.
We hear you're making money.
You have to pay your county taxes.
We hear you're making money.
I'm not even kidding with you.
This guy comes and gives me his business.
I'm like, bullshit.
This is fraud.
I go to 8th floor, what do you call it, my accountant who were on that floor?
I said, what is this all about?
He says, shit, they got you.
It's hit and miss.
They barely get any business, but when they do, you got to pay up.
I said, I have to pay this is yet.
So, you know, it's nearly $80,000.
He says, I said, that's two employees.
I can't.
He says, you got to pay that $80,000.
So I said, okay, I'm going to move to Glendo because there's 13 counties that don't have LA.
What do you call it?
County taxes.
Burbank's one of them.
Burbank, Glendo, because of Hollywood.
Burbank was one of them.
I think Santa Monica is one of them.
Victorville's one of them.
Anyways, Valenza, I think some of these guys are one of them, like 13 counties.
So I move.
Every time I moved, more stuff was coming up.
In 2012, I told Moral and I told Jen, Brace for Impact.
We're probably going to end up in Texas.
Moral laughed at me.
Jennifer said, babe, I'm not going back to Texas.
And she's from Texas.
So we ended up in Texas three years later.
I'm telling you right now, God knows how many people booked their ticket out yesterday.
Yeah, and I'll tell you.
The only timeline is we don't know when.
It could be 90 days.
It could be six months.
It could be 24 months.
But it's tens of thousands that believe in capitalism, that believe in freedom of choice, of choosing what I do with my body.
Okay.
And I'm not talking about abortion.
I'm talking about what I want to do, like Nicki Minaj type of freedom.
It's people that just want to be left on.
It's libertarians.
It's independents.
It's Republicans that are sitting there saying, can I really live with this for another four to eight years?
And it's not the fact that you can't live with Democrats.
That's not the issue.
There's many states that are okay.
There's two states, maybe three states that are going above and beyond.
New York is one.
It's probably a handful.
New York's one.
The other one is what?
California.
So if they thought like, oh, mass exodus, you just saw the people that are patient who sat around that are saying, you pushed me a little bit too much.
That's what they want, too, though.
You got to be very clear.
Again, I keep saying, these are not stupid people in these positions.
Gavin Newsom might actually be stupid.
You can't, in all of the campaigning, by the way, Joe Biden didn't campaign for himself for presidency, but he campaigns for Gavin Newsom.
It's asinine.
Because he didn't need to win California.
He was in the bank.
He was in California.
Yeah.
And you said the right thing.
How many Republicans went out?
This is part of the problem I have with the National Republican Party.
Rush Limbaugh, R.I.P. Rush, he's been saying this for four years.
He's like, somebody's got to get out of here.
Somebody's got to get out there.
He's like, everybody in the state outside of San Francisco.
No.
Why?
For who?
He's too toxic.
No, again, but that's what I'm saying.
That's a short clip right there, Tom Zanner.
What I'm saying to you is the following.
What I'm saying to you is the fact that the only guy that would show up.
Yeah.
Okay, yes, the only guy that would show up.
Well, he doesn't have anything to do right now.
So maybe his schedule is pretty open.
I'm sorry.
Adam, if you go back even when he was president, nobody traveled and worked this way.
I agree with you on that.
And that's when he was president.
If you ever watched schedule, you would have never seen this guy walking away from a press conference.
I agree.
He took the greatest opportunity of all time.
I'm not even hating right now.
Yeah, sure.
If there's anybody that'll sit down with anyone, it is Trump.
Hey, Pat, here's what I think the Republicans are missing right now.
A Carl Rove, a strategist, an ass kicker that knows what he's doing.
No.
No?
But remember when he was running the show?
There isn't, you say the Republicans.
Who are you talking to?
I don't know.
Someone that Gavin Newsom.
Mitch McConnell and Dick Cheney and the Bush Republicans, Team Global.
Team Global.
They like that the team's winning.
Team Global, right?
You have the other side, the individuals, the business owners, that basket of deplorables.
Pat said it best.
This is people who just want to be left alone, fighting against people who refuse to leave them alone.
That is the time that we find ourselves in.
All right.
And what you just saw in California.
First of all, the biggest thing that came out of this, I had never really paid attention to Gavin Newsoman.
I was like, this guy's got great hair.
That's all I really thought.
But he's basically royalty.
I didn't know he was Pelosi's pseudo-nephew.
Yes.
And he's Barbara Baxter's nephew.
And that day, he's married to a Feinstein.
Well, did you?
This is the Borges.
Did you also see his winery?
You know where the funding came from?
His winery, the Getty family.
So Getty, Baxter, Feinstein, and Pelosi.
He's so marketable, though.
But this is Woo.
He looks like a president.
Dude, I keep thinking, like, 200 years from now, like, I'm a huge history buff.
You guys know that.
One of the most interesting anecdotes of history, Justinian, what we call the Byzantine Empire, they didn't know it as the Byzantine Empire back then.
It was just known as Rome.
They called it Rome.
It was always Rome, even though Rome had fallen.
So Justinian, the emperor, decided, no, I'm going to go and I'm going to get back Western Rome.
I'm going to unite the old empire.
And he goes on this campaign and he unites the empire, right?
But so many people that were not in politics, so many people that didn't care on the day-to-day, when the barbarians, after Alaric and all those guys, after they took over Rome and sacked Rome, they called themselves emperors and they just kept the Roman policies.
They kept the Roman money.
So when Justinian came across and he would like go to the Roman people in northern Italy and be like, congratulations, Rome is together again.
And people would look at him and be like, when were we not Roman?
Like they had no idea.
Pat, let me ask you a question.
300 years, they had no idea.
He's up for re-election next year.
Do you think there's enough time and enough strategy that the Republicans can put together to have any hope for next November?
Any.
Okay.
So if they do, if they do, who's going to come and campaign for the guy?
Okay, give me five names.
So by the way, let me ask a question a different way.
Let me ask a question a different way.
Let me ask a question a different way.
Give me 10 names from the left that are willing to go and campaign for anybody in any estate for it to flip to be a blue state.
Give me 10 names.
Kamala.
Look, how long it'll take you?
Go.
Okay, Kamala.
You got Pelosi, if she can get on a plane.
Obama, probably Hillary, Biden.
Bernie, AOC, Michelle, Bernie, AOC, the Michigan governor.
You name anybody.
Newsom, anybody, because they're that united.
If you think they're united now, when they get $350 trillion into their unions and their power, that entire infrastructure bill is to pay them $3.5 trillion.
They're only just getting started, baby.
So, but now.
Well, you were going somewhere with this.
You're going to, right?
Your follow-up is what Republicans will go do that.
They're not going to do that.
They don't have the money.
Listen, Mitch McConnell.
This is a problem.
The problem is that one side is all about the collective.
The other side is all about the individual.
This is why I believe center-right is the right place to be.
And the only reason it's center-right is because of right fiscally, you cannot debate capitalism.
I don't want to hear any argument against capitalism.
I don't care if your feelings got hurt because you lost to somebody else because they put in more effort than you did.
Capitalism works.
The only type of capitalism that doesn't work is crony capitalism.
And nobody wants crony capitalism except the people at the top that are willing to buy that.
Fine.
Some of them are doing that.
No problem.
And by the way, if you got rid of lobbyists, a lot of shit would change in capitalism.
If you actually eliminated the concept of lobbying, a lot of things would change.
But let me take a different angle for you.
Let me take a different angle for you.
Go back 12 months ago.
12 months?
No, go back 13 months ago, 14 months ago.
Who's a hero on TV every day?
These are the Cuomos.
Fauci.
Cuomo and who?
Cuomo and Clues.
Cuomo.
Fauci and Newsom.
These guys were heroes, okay?
They were heroes, if you thought about it.
Texas, Florida, you guys are irresponsible, et cetera, et cetera.
Still coming out with Florida.
Fast forward, fast forward to six months ago, who became an enemy of the left, on the left, who?
Cuomo.
Cuomo.
How quickly did they take this guy from the next potential president to this guy's got to get the hell out of here?
Immediately.
Cut him off.
As fast as they could.
You think he's the first person that has stories like that?
As fast as he said, we're not shutting down New York.
By the way.
He's a die and he talks with his wins.
Let me ask you a question.
Who had a worse story up into being a governor and running to run for president?
Bill Clinton or Cuomo?
Bill, clean.
Bill, it's not even close.
Is it fair to say it's not even close?
Most likely not close.
It's not even close.
So now watch this.
Now watch this.
So let's put two people against each other.
Let's put three people against each other.
You ready?
I love getting this.
Let's put a game.
Let's put a guy named Cuomo in there, Andrew.
Let's put a guy named Newsom in there.
Let's put a guy named Manchin in there.
Between those three, who is most likely willing to say yes to anything their political party tells them to do just to be able to get a nicer, fatter title?
I'd say Newsome.
My God.
I agree.
Which one's the least likely?
Manchin?
I would actually tell you it's both of them.
I actually think it's like Manchin wins by 52 to 48, but it's not a big difference.
I don't see Cuomo as a yes guy, nor do I see Manchin as a yes guy.
Certainly not now.
The most marketable people on the left are those that say yes.
Newsom is a yes guy.
Cuomo's clearly not a no guy.
He is a yes guy.
Okay.
Meaning Newsom is a yes guy.
They got a guy that they're going to market.
FYI.
You may have just seen your future president that you have.
Just so you know that.
Here's the question.
Do you think he's more on his system?
Listen, all you have to know is who's better, him or Biden, as a president.
Him, him.
But naming one thing Newsom's done.
It doesn't matter.
Marketing.
It doesn't matter.
Wait, Trump.
He's not Trump.
Exactly.
What question did you just ask, Gerard?
You're a very intellectual guy.
I understand what you're saying, but you have to be able to name one thing a guy did.
Wait, He looks the part that has, what did Obama do?
One-term guy.
Yeah, well, he was a great speaker.
I've heard Gavin Newsome speak.
He's not Obama.
He's a very, very well-put-together, good-looking citizen.
He looks like a voice, the sexy voice.
I'm sorry.
He's extremely marketing.
He looks like Christian Vale in American psyche.
The only reason he was worried about this.
He's got to go return.
He's very much.
He's easily flustered to me.
Gavin Newsom seems very easily flustered.
He hasn't asked questions.
That's why he was so worried because he thought this would get the express train off the rails as far as the only thing that matters for him is to be president.
I like what Jack Costa is only as much.
Jack Casso just gave 50 bucks.
He says, let's have Adam live in New York City or LA for six months.
His position on many things will change.
Adam, you're a smart guy.
Wake up, bro.
No way those votes counts as legit.
Even liberals don't want their kids exposed to all the trashy people on their city streets.
Anyways, okay.
Hey, can I validate one point you made, though?
Like when you had that tipping point, right?
As far as like, for me, I think if you're not booking your ticket out of California and you love California, you love LA, you're at least considering what it's going to be because what is inevitable that would pull the trigger.
And I know what it is for me.
If homelessness comes into Manhattan Beach, if that happens, I'll see you guys within a week.
Let me tell you this.
You asked about strategy, and this is the strategy, right?
In any particular situation, all right, you have two binary options as your immediate options.
You have fight or you have flight.
And if you are not going to commit to the fight, if you are not going to rally the troops and you are not going to get a war chest together, get out of there.
Go to a place, consolidate your well-being.
This is why I keep telling all my friends and family, New York, Philadelphia, Staten Island, Long Island, Brooklyn, leave.
Let them have it.
They won.
Give it to them.
There's no reason that your life should be ruined.
There's no reason that the hours of your life should pay for what they want.
Come down to a place that has your worldview.
I'm going to tell you, moving to Florida was like, do not listen to Gerard's.
Stay the hell in New York.
We don't want you in Florida.
And then what will happen is let the weight of their programs hollow them out.
Let them die on the vine and then go back and pick up the pieces.
They want to be Detroit, be Detroit.
They want to be Moscow, be Moscow.
Come down, live your life, and then go back.
Here's the level of strategy on one side is so much better than the other side.
You know how easy it is to beat a team that's divided?
Just think about it this way.
Here's what you got to think about.
Go to the Laker squad where it's Kobe, it's Shaq, it's Malone, it's Peyton, it's Rod.
I mean, go who was on that squad?
Everybody and their mothers was on that squad.
Mush Parker.
Everybody was on that squad.
But you know what they were?
They lost a lot.
They couldn't stand working with each other.
They were just absolute highest level of hatred.
Phil left.
It was so ugly.
Nobody could keep that team together, right?
What happened to them?
Did they win the championship?
No, they didn't win.
On paper.
On paper.
If you go take any video game, you put that squad together, match them up against anybody, seven-game series, who beats them?
Nobody.
As a team team, not as you make your own team like Michael LeBron, you put everybody on the same team.
The Republicans have so much talent right now.
They got a great squad, but you are not united.
You're not going to beat anybody.
It's just that simple.
You're just not going to beat everybody.
Not in California.
It doesn't matter.
But here's the other part.
Let me give you the other part.
That's what's happening.
When policies on your own political side start making no sense, a kid will even question his own father and mother, just like an individual will question their own individual party.
If a kid will, how many times did you question your mom or dad's decision?
Often.
Okay.
By the way, how many times do you think they're going to question my decision as they grow up?
Yeah.
They'll still probably question.
Of course they're going to.
Of course they're going to.
My son has already done it.
Tico's under multiple, so has Dylan.
How long did you ground him?
No, he didn't get grounded.
I don't mind a conversation like that.
But here's the point.
The voters right now, what is happening is they're simply sitting there.
Some of them are saying, listen, man, I don't mind being a freaking Democrat.
I don't mind being this.
Some of this shit just doesn't make any sense.
Am I the only one that's thinking this way?
I mean, some of this stuff just doesn't make sense.
That's when it gets weird.
Because, Adam, as much as you're sitting here and saying what you're saying, you wouldn't survive in California or New York today.
You wouldn't be able to do it.
You wouldn't be able to live in Florida.
That's why I live in Florida.
But what I'm trying to tell you is he's firsthand.
I lived there five and a half years ago, so I'm firsthand, but five and a half years ago.
It's not the same California today as it was five and a half years ago, six years ago.
It's a very different California, right?
If you go there today than what it was five and a half years ago.
People are feeling the pain.
Now, what will happen with this part here?
What's going to happen here?
This is what I'm hoping.
This is what I'm hoping.
Today I was interviewing Sal Romano.
Sal Romano was the former mob's Wall Street guy.
This guy embezzled.
They were embezzling $10 billion per year from the stock market.
He at one point was worth $300 million, Sal Romano, for the Gambino family.
He did stuff with Mickey Scars from the guy.
He did a bunch of different things that this guy said.
He saw him time?
He did time.
Yeah, but Sal Romano was, he was literally sitting where Adam is sitting here right now.
He left about 30 minutes ago, 45 minutes ago, to be exact.
30 minutes ago.
45 minutes ago is where he left, right?
And we're sitting there having a conversation together.
There comes a time where you can no longer tolerate what's going on and you're eventually going to flip.
So he's sitting there telling the stories of, well, you know, eventually everybody flips.
Why does eventually everybody flip in the mob world?
Well, because of this, because of that, because of this.
Okay.
If I back you up and you continuously backstab me, what am I loyal to?
So if I give you my vote and you're constantly abusing my vote, you don't think certain parties are sitting there saying, why the hell am I voting this way?
For the longest time, blacks voted Republican.
Martin Luther King was a registered Republican.
What happened when they were registered Republican?
Shows up a guy named Barry Goldwater, right?
Then what happens?
I'm sorry.
It all flipped.
The parties flip.
By the way, not by a little bit.
It went from 60% to 92% of African Americans voting Democrat.
Like this.
How many African-American grandmothers do you know that all they talk about is the Bible?
How many friends did you have?
I had a bunch of friends that was growing up.
If I saw their mom or grandma, everything was about the Bible.
Bible, Bible, Bible.
More than Armenians, whites, or more than any other, it was always the Bible.
That's a conservative belief.
What happens?
Hey, Republicans, you did this, Barry Goldwater, no problem.
So, you know, as much as I think California is not going to flip for four to eight years, I think it's going to stay that way.
I don't think this stays like that for 20 years.
I don't think this is going to be like that for 20 years.
I have a question.
No, I have a rhetorical question for the group here.
This is an interesting one.
So there's no freebies in politics.
If you do something, you're getting rewarded or you're going to pay a price.
People don't do things for politicians out of the goodness of their heart.
Every single radio and television ad for Gavin Newsom for the last two months was tagged that it was presented by Reed Hastings.
The money that Reed Hastings spent ran the media campaign for Gavin Newsome.
And it was mentioned at the end of every spot where they accused Larry Elder of being right of Trump, being an anti-vaxxer.
Reid Hastings, Reed Hastings, Reid Hastings.
Does that come back now because of this race, the streaming wars?
Does he get an advantage over how most people know who Reid Hastings is?
I know he's the CEO of Netflix.
I don't think most people know that.
He already has Susan Rice and Barack and Michelle Obama on his board.
So, I mean, look, it is what it is.
Here was really honest to God looking at this.
My biggest takeaway: San Francisco runs the United States now.
It's not New York.
It's not LA.
It's not even D.C.
The whole United States runs through Silicon Valley now.
And Silicon Valley runs through San Francisco.
Everything goes through San Fran.
Because of the media, social media, because of taxes and the politics.
Because of what?
The politicians are so in bed with big tech.
And big tech is in San Francisco.
And you think about it.
You've got Gavin Newsome, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Baxter.
You've got Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, all of them, San Francisco residents, right?
And you're coming out Google, Facebook.
Every tech company in America has their hub, their hub where.
Now, why does that scare me?
Because this is going to translate into General Milley.
Who runs Silicon Valley?
Who's running Silicon Valley right now?
Do you think who has more say over what Google does?
America, D.C. or Beijing?
Who dictates what Facebook does today?
DC or Beijing?
So if Silicon Valley is now the power hub, the information center of America, okay?
And Silicon Valley doesn't answer to D.C., it answers to Beijing, who's running the information in America?
Unpack that.
Why are you saying that they all answer to Beijing?
You're saying all these big tech companies are all answering to CCP?
Which companies?
They will change their rules.
They will change what they do.
Which companies?
All of them.
If you've been tracking this at all for five years, every single update that they do, every single thing that they do, and you're talking about Hollywood?
We talk about Hollywood?
The southern part of the state?
John Cena.
Are they changing their movies to make sure that they don't piss off conservative Americans or libertarian Americans or independent Americans or even Democrats?
Or are they changing their movies?
Are they actually changing the movies?
Let's talk about this.
Let's talk about this.
With the remaining time, we don't have a lot of time together because we got to head out.
I'll say, let's finish up at 5.55 because I'm not meeting Chaz till we have Chaz till 6.30.
So what's the solution?
Okay.
Brighter side is what I want to do.
Let's spend the last 21 minutes talking about the brighter side.
So a few things.
Some people are listening to this.
They're from California.
Like, oh, my gosh, what do I do?
Whatever you're doing, don't do anything emotionally right now.
Like, you don't need to do anything next 30, 60, 90 days.
Just kick it.
We're just having this conversation because it just happened.
That's number one.
Yeah.
So you just need to have the information.
You don't need to emotionally want to all of a sudden say, oh, here's what we're doing.
No.
My suggestion, number one, start researching nonstop.
Whatever you can get your hands on to read, research.
And by the way, anytime we're having a podcast and we're having an issue that we're going to debate on the podcast, I try to watch two channels.
I'll go to MSNBC CNN, then I'll go to Fox on the same point.
I'll hear what Tucker has to say.
Then I'll hear what the left has to say, whether it's Joe, whether it's Matt Ow, Cooper.
I just want to see what's being said on both sides.
Do your research.
Don't just do research from one side.
You will be fooled.
I'm telling you right now, you will be fooled if you just get your information from one side.
Okay, so that's that.
Second part, if you're in a state, you know this whole story about you put a frog in a water, you start boiling it gradually, he's not going to jump out, and then all of a sudden he's like, it's too late.
It's 212 degrees.
You're dead.
Oh, shit, I died.
Done.
Right?
Well, that's kind of what's happened in California.
It's not a big deal.
Andy Grove, I'm going to keep saying this.
And people say, Pat, I don't think that's the right way to live.
How are you going to live a happy life like that?
He has the best book he wrote on business that every C-suite executive, founder, entrepreneur needs to leave.
Only the paranoid survive.
If you're listening to this and you're not in a state called California or New York or Oregon or whatever else you want to call it, and you're in a place like Texas or Florida, like, oh, thank God I live in Florida.
Do not be naive.
Very coming for you, boy.
Do not be naive.
This is the war of getting people to think in a certain way, and they are not slowing down.
They're going to come after you.
The other day, I was watching a video of a mother on David Harris's Instagram page.
This mother was sharing textbooks of his kids reading these books at 12 years old.
And I don't know if you saw that or not.
Did you see that?
I don't even want to say it.
I don't even want to say what was.
I don't know what today.
The mayor, I think, because of David Harris, to show you the power of information.
Yeah.
Because of David Harris and his reach, and you shared it, and a bunch of other influential people shared it.
The mayor went to the town hall, called a judge, and said, I've confirmed with the judge that this is child porn.
You will be arrested if you're not.
And you can either resign your board, your board seat right now.
So this is, again, not to panic.
That's what I'm saying.
This is what I'm trying to say is stay paranoid.
Don't just sit there and say, go to tonight and say, babe, thank God we're living in a place like this.
Nope, that's not how I'm wired.
I still ask the questions.
You still got to ask the question.
Whatever your kids are going to, ask the question.
What do they talk about in school today?
What do they talk about in school today?
All of a sudden, your kid brings an argument home to you.
Who brought that up to you?
My teacher.
What do they say?
They said the president is this.
They say that white people are this.
They said that, you know, rich people are this.
Who said that?
What makes you believe that?
Go to school.
Talk to the teacher about it.
Don't sit around and say, it's not a big deal, babe.
Just let it go.
It's not a big deal yet.
Let it go.
How many times have you heard the story about father saying, you know, my chest hurts?
You know, my chest hurts.
You know, my chest hurts.
It's not a big deal.
It's not a big deal.
Six months later, it's a big deal, has a heart attack.
The man dies.
Your chest was hurting.
Go to the flipping doctor.
You could have prevented that with a blood thinner.
You could have lived 30 more years, but we lost you.
We don't get those memories for you to go walk your daughter down the aisle.
Stop acting as if it cannot happen to you.
Everything is about you not being naive, thinking this cannot happen to your county, to your city, to your community, to your state.
You have to stay as active as possible in gathering information.
Read as much as you can both sides.
Don't be naive.
If you do that part, you'll have the highest shot.
And by the way, I'll say, I'll go a little bit even further than that.
Here's what I will tell you.
Gary Casper was at the event two weeks ago.
Yep.
Okay.
And I'm talking to Gary.
And I say, Gary, you called that Putin in 2008.
Do you have any political aspirations?
No, no, no.
I don't want to do any politics.
I don't want to do any politics.
So what are you talking about?
Do you remember when I, I'm like, what are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Part of this was on stage.
He says, I tweet.
I said, what do you mean you're not going to go run for politics?
No, no, I don't want to go to politics.
I said, no, you got to go.
You got to do something.
You can't just be sitting here writing stuff.
You have a story that you can actually look at what David Harris is doing with his stuff.
He flips.
There are people that are flipping today.
Even JP Sears, the comedian, he's getting people to think because of the approach he's taken.
The guy's very important today.
JP Sears is very necessary today.
Who's the most necessary person in America today?
Who's the most necessary?
Who is and named the number one most necessary person in America today?
Dave Chappelle.
It's a guy named Joe Rogan.
Rogan.
Rogan.
There isn't anybody in America today most necessary than Joe Rogan.
Joe has got the same status.
Thank God they still haven't come after him to say he's done something.
Oh, they've tried.
I understand, but he's got such a loyal following that the people will go after them.
So some people who have never had any aspirations for politics, I think it's time.
Some people who have never had any desires to want to go do anything and you kind of seen up some of the stuff that's really brewing in you and it's firing you up, do not waste that fire.
Do something with it.
It may be a five-year plan.
It may be a 10-year plan.
It may be a 15-year plan.
It may be a 20-year plan, but it's time to get the bench deep because the next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, we're going to need some true, solid true believers in the future.
Adam, real quick, because it goes, sorry, but to his point, I have the perfect example of that.
When I was working in the State House in Jersey, there was a nun.
All right.
And it does, you don't have to run.
The whole reason I'm saying this is that he's so right.
You don't have to run.
You don't even have to donate.
You just have to be loud.
There was a nun who said that people were drag racing down the block.
Okay.
Down the block.
She called the State House every single day.
When can we get a speed bump?
Okay.
I'll call back tomorrow.
When can we get a speed bump?
One woman, one woman.
All right.
She called for like 32 straight days.
And then finally, my boss, Gene Ashmore, was like, my God, almighty, somebody just gave this lady a freaking speed bump.
She got the speed bump.
She got the speed bump.
That one lady making a phone call every day, she spoke for an entire community and got it done.
Yeah, and I'll validate one of the things that Pat said, that if you think you live in South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Idaho, one of these states where you think you're safe, they're coming for your school.
Oh, my God.
All right.
They're infiltrating the core of the Apple, right?
So they can get these kids now.
And they're patient.
So don't think it's not happening in your state.
And in your state.
You were in Dallas?
Go to Deep Ellum.
Did it feel like you were in, did it feel like you were in Texas?
No.
Red Tech?
No.
Go to Houston.
Did it feel like you were in Red Tech?
I interviewed a lot of people in Texas.
Eborn City in Florida.
Eborn City could be Brooklyn, New York.
Pat, let me pose a question for you.
And I know you want to end it in the next five, 10 minutes.
So I want to throw something your way.
And this is a question, maybe a suggestion in the audience, and then maybe something that advice to people.
Would you say that our channel is built more for employers or employees?
Free thinkers is number one.
Okay.
But we are a capitalist channel.
We do encourage entrepreneurs.
Entrepreneur or entrepreneur.
So to me, it's entrepreneurs, independent free thinkers that are constantly figuring out ways to do something better.
I would say that's the basis.
Two shit.
Yeah, but capitalism is the basis.
Cool.
Awesome.
You're on the same page here.
Are there more employers in the country or more employees?
Not even close.
What's the number?
I would say it's 20 to 1.
20 to 1.
Oh, yeah.
There's more employees.
No question.
Are more employers likely to be Republicans or Democrats?
Employers, business owners.
Employees or yours?
Employers.
He's going with Belker.
So you got probably conservative, yes.
Okay.
Not Republican.
And more employees.
I don't think it's Republican.
I think it's capitalist.
Employers will be capitalists, but you could be a Democratic capitalist.
Would you, are you willing to say that employers, employees, maybe they have a similar mission, but a different maybe agenda or an outlook?
Okay.
Is that fair to say?
I'm not sure where you're going.
Okay, but go ahead.
The point is this.
I think if you're an employer and you run a business and you're that guy, like to use your story, Pat, that's just doing his business and doing his thing.
You're in California, and the tax man shows up and says, AD Gs, Pat, pay up.
It's a pretty tough pill to swallow.
That's never happened to me running a business.
That hasn't happened.
Okay.
An employee maybe doesn't ever have to deal with something like that.
So what's my point, bingo?
Employers should try to have conversations with employees and say, here's why I vote this way.
Here's why I have this perspective.
I'm not talking about political.
I know you do.
But this is my advice to everyone else out there.
Here's what happens if I have to pay more in taxes or if the corporate tax rates go up, I'm going to have to lay six of you guys off.
And then an employee might say, oh shit, I don't want feedback, by the way.
And then employees.
What a great point.
Thank you.
And then employees.
This guy.
And then employees.
I'm actually being serious.
It's a great point.
Thank you.
And then employees might want to ask their employers, hey, I noticed that you're a big Trump guy or you're a big leave me the hell alone guy or you're a big low-tech.
Why?
Why?
I think that's an important conversation.
That's a good point.
We get so caught up on these little political things and this and that.
Let's not forget here, circling back, Gavin Newsom beat the shit out of his competition.
Two out of three people in California said, I don't think it's a recall.
It's the recall.
You're right.
So rather than saying, I think you just got to talk to the people that have different opinions.
That's all I'm saying.
Inadvertently, you just made George Carlin's argument against democracy.
Think about the most average intellect you know, the most average person you know, and then understand that half of the population is dumber than that.
Right?
Think of the most average wealth person you know, the most average person you know.
Half the population is dumber than that.
Part of the problem with democracy, part of the problem with representative democracy is that there is a very small percentage of intelligent people in the world and an even smaller percentage of intelligent people that can convert that into any sort of considerable wealth.
Yeah, and you can't have a conversation about politics with your employer.
It's impossible.
I didn't say politics.
Again, I'm saying, tell me about the taxes.
Taxes don't have to be political.
What happens if the taxes go up?
But three of you guys get fired.
You got to understand what's the alternative, not talking to each other?
That makes no sense to me.
But what does it matter?
Okay, all this doesn't matter if it gets to a place where the system is too rigged against choice, even two choices.
If they get $3.5 trillion that goes all to their people and all to their political donations, then like Pat said, half of the business sector that may not agree with it, they have to get on board because that's the only way you're going to survive.
You may say, hey, look, I hate these taxes, but if the only way as a construction guy I'm getting any money is to get tax dollars, guess where I'm going?
So the power politics, the power of politics becomes a leverage game and you get really, really, really close.
When you get outside that laugher curve, it becomes an exponential turn.
And that's when things get really, really dangerous.
Because you're either in the party or you're out of the party.
I think we have the luxury of sitting here debating politics and nuance.
I don't think most people do this.
I think most people just wake up and say.
It's the famous powerful line.
You know what that line is?
What is?
Never talk about religion and business and religion and politics and business.
It's such a manipulative line.
It's such a – anybody I've ever met that is extremely intelligent or a reader, anybody I've met, their favorite things to talk about or debate is – You have to have the philosophical.
It's a philosophy, religion, politics.
Of course, sports is a part of it.
That's fun.
But those are things I want to talk about.
What do you think about this?
Oh, shit, here we go, right?
I mean, I'm talking about, you know, somebody having a conversation.
It's very common.
By the way, we got eight minutes.
Does anybody have any opinion on General Mille?
Do we want to cover?
Oh my God, yeah, sure.
Okay, so let's go through it since we got eight minutes left.
So General Milley, feared Trump might launch a nuclear attack, made secret calls to China.
New book says USA Today.
In the aftermath of January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol, Joint Chief of Staff Chairman General Mark Milley, then the former President Trump's top military advisor, took precautions to limit Trump's ability to launch a military strike or deploy nuclear weapons, according to a new book by Bob Woodward, who's always talking about this stuff, and Robert Costa, the Washington Post.
In a rare move, Milley called a secret meeting of senior military officials at the Pentagon on January 8th to review the process of military action, including launching nuclear weapons.
He instructed those in charge of the national military commander, Senator Pentagon's war room, not to take orders from anyone without his involvement.
Milley also reassured Chinese General Li Zhucheng of the People's Libertarian Army that the U.S. had no intention of launching an airstrike against China.
It was one of two secret phone calls shared by Li on the issue.
Zenner, thoughts?
You know, it just goes to Gerard's point that think of the average intelligence person you know and assume that 50% of the people are dumber than that.
If you believe this crap, you're an idiot.
You're a flat-out idiot if you think Donald Trump was thinking of a nuclear war on January 6th.
Who the hell was he going to attack?
New Jersey?
I mean, who would be in the crosshairs of an attack?
You know, it's one thing if you don't like him, but you don't have to paint him as a buffoon or someone that would launch a nuclear weapon on his final week in office.
Meanwhile, Eric Swalwell from California actually threatened nukes against American citizens.
Yeah, and you know, it's just so blatantly obvious that this is an end run to take the attention off Afghanistan.
I mean, you either have common sense or you don't.
I'd like to think I have a little bit, and that's the only way I see this story.
By the way, some people on the opposing side are saying what an honorable thing to do, to take the responsible position to make the phone call to prevent him from doing what he did.
Adam, what are your thoughts about this?
I think you can't have it both ways because we have two stories here on the list.
One, based on this book, Peril, from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
And if you don't know who Robert Costa is, the guy is a total g.
He sat down there, he's interviewed Trump.
Bob Woodward?
Not by Troat?
Yes, correct.
We all know Woodward, but you don't know if you know Costa.
So they're telling this story, and then we have a story on the other page where basically they called out Biden about him calling out Manchin.
So either way, actually read the story.
Read the part with Biden told Joe Manchin to support his 1.9 trillion coronavirus stimulus because if you don't come along, you're really fucking me, the book says.
That's what Biden says to Manchin.
Yes.
So you want me to keep going?
No, no, you can go back to the point you were making.
The point is this.
So Tom says he doesn't believe it.
All right, so do you believe this point, though?
You can't.
You can't.
So you can believe parts of the name of the story.
No, no, no.
You don't have to automatically assume everything he says is true or false.
I choose to believe that I don't think Donald Trump was thinking of launching nuclear weapons on January 7th.
Sure.
Wait, but we're both missing the great point here.
Are you insane?
You're thinking he was about to launch it?
I don't think so.
I don't think he was about to.
I do think that he was after the day he lost or after the January 6th, I do think to use some of the words that they use, he was angry, erratic, emotional, potentially unstable, and unpredictable.
Was he nuking people?
don't think so.
Speaking of track record, let's talk about...
One predictable in this case means not doing what we want him to do.
Because that, if you want to look at the parallels, to your point, if you want to look at the parallels between the two stories, Joe Manchin is saying, no, I'm not giving you $3.5 trillion.
No, it's just $1.9 million.
Was it back in March?
This is not now.
So what I'm saying is.
But he's still saying no to 3.5 as well.
The put came out now.
But this means.
You listen to what we tell you to do.
Also, guys, with all due respect, we're getting stuck in the minutiae here.
This is the top general in the United States of America going behind an elected official, duly elected official, going behind who represents the citizens of the United States.
