FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE | Bet-David Podcast | EP 20
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0:00 - pre-debate chatter
1:00:34 - Presidential debate
2:33:09 - post debate review
We'll go for the first hour kind of going through some of the issues.
8 o'clock, we'll watch the debate together live.
We'll go till 9.30.
We'll comment on it.
And then 9.30 to 10.30, we'll debrief with what thoughts everybody has.
So while you're watching this, put the thumbs up, share the debate.
Let's get a bunch of folks here together and let us know what's on your mind with tonight's debate.
But I think the first thing for us to talk about before we get right into it is who's campaigning, who's raising money, who has momentum, what's really going on.
Kai, can you pull up what Trump's done lately?
Maybe show a picture of Trump's campaign where he's been the last week.
Show the picture of where he's been, Carolina.
I send it to you.
Sam has it.
Sam, did you give that one to him or not yet?
That one picture I sent you to where he's been.
I sent you guys, I said, airdrop it.
If you don't have that, go to what Jake Tapper said about Biden recently on that one minute.
Because I think the big concern with Democrats is Biden hasn't been out there debating or campaigning specifically at all the last week.
Rewind it back and play that.
President's having, but Joe Biden didn't have any events yesterday.
I'm not saying he should be having unsafe events, but why is he taking a day off with less than three weeks to go before the election?
Jake, Joe Biden has campaigned tirelessly, but he has campaigned safely.
And as you saw this past week during the national town halls that both of them held, it is a sharp contrast between President Trump, who's frenzied, who continues to lie just incessantly, morning, noon, and night, and former Vice President Biden, who is laying out.
He's got someone in there.
He's obviously showing particularly with suburban.
So if you want to pause it, if you have the other one, show it to us.
So for one week, no one's seen him.
And then this is what Trump's been doing campaigning.
If you got the pic.
Do you know the pic I gave you with Sam?
There you go.
So that's him the last week.
Okay.
Oh, wow.
Ohio, Nevada, Florida, Carolina.
I think today he had to sit down with 60 minutes.
Right afterwards, they went out there campaigning.
And so it's going to be an interesting strategy.
What do you think about this whole strategy right now?
Because it seems like Biden's team is kind of saying the same thing over and over again.
He's preparing for the debate.
He's preparing for the debate while Trump is out the campaigning.
Who do you think this is benefiting right now going into tonight's debate?
Well, I mean, obviously, you're getting a lot more energy out of the Trump camp, but I think from the Democrats' perspective, at this point, it's do no harm.
It's like the Hippocratic Oath.
Don't mess up.
And, you know, I think they're just holding their breath and hoping that the president says something, sticks his foot in his mouth somehow.
Those are the people that just got in.
Okay, that doesn't count the people that are probably trying to get it.
That's a frenzy.
Okay, that's a movement right there.
What about the fact that Biden is not campaigning because he's scared?
Because he doesn't want to face these questions.
That is the only reason he is not campaigning right now.
You won't get that from CNN because they're not allowed to say Hunter Biden on the air.
Either is ABC.
They don't mention the word one time, Hunter Biden.
They do not say it.
In my opinion, he's not campaigning because he doesn't want to face these questions.
What is he going to do?
Lie?
I mean, this is turning into something pretty big and pretty important here in the final week.
Adam, what do you think?
Well, I mean, he's going to face these questions.
Tonight.
Tonight.
That's the whole point.
But is he?
Is he?
Tom, we're about to find out in an hour.
Are we not?
I mean, that's what we're going to do.
It's going to do that.
The moderator has to ask the questions.
Well, I think we can all agree.
I'm not saying she will, but she should ask the tough questions to both candidates.
Yeah?
Well, she should.
But it's a big difference.
Wait, wait, wait.
If she doesn't trump who's not going to be able to do it, national security is a subject, and this would be a matter of national security, would it not?
Allegations involving the Chinese Communist Party would definitely be some aspect of national security.
So, especially given what's come out in the media today, because there has been this steady drumbeat from journalists saying if it can't be corroborated, we can't report on it.
Well, if there is corroboration in the form of something on a hard drive, emails from more than one entity, then all of a sudden it's something that the moderator should be bringing up.
Ricky, what do you think?
Well, when it comes down to him out campaigning, first of all, my grandmother had a saying.
I'm going to tell you in Spanish, I'm going to translate it.
She said, Which means that you defend yourself more, just not say anything.
Right?
So, I actually, we were talking about it.
I don't want to jump ahead of the schedule, but we're talking about them turning off the microphones.
I think it's a double, a lot of people don't like it.
It's double-edged short for me.
I think so.
I think it's a great idea because what is Biden going to say for 90 seconds or two minutes?
He's incoherent.
So, you give him a chance to put his foot in his mouth.
He's going to do it.
And I can't wait for him to do it during this debate if they choose to moderate the time.
Ricky, you're from where?
Where's your family from?
Me truck.
Man, I'm going to de Chila, Mi truck in Mexico.
So, so you're yourself, you consider yourself a conservative capitalist?
My dad was an entrepreneur.
I've never heard my dad call anybody boss, nor any of his brothers or sisters.
My dad's an entrepreneur, and we are conservative in we love our country, we love God, we love our families, and we like our rights protected.
I mean, it's it's it's I think every Hispanic doesn't realize they're conservative, or every Latino at least, or anybody, everybody in general.
But I think mostly for us from where we come from, it's family, God, make your money, take care.
I mean, it's it's the very basics.
So, as a Hispanic, I'm more, and we're, by the way, we're pro, we're pro-life, right?
Because, as a matter of fact, a lot of people don't know that some people might agree, some people may agree.
I know some parts of the Catholic religion, depending on where you live, do not even allow people to use condoms, which makes sense why our grandparents had so many kids.
So, we are about life.
And I'm looking at a lot of modern Hispanics or progressive Hispanics that don't want God involved, right, in the system, don't have a big problem whenever you're talking about pro-life or pro-choice.
And they're getting away from the values and principles that our grandfather, our grandparents, and our parents taught us.
So, the ones that want to treat that, oh, I'm a Latino, I'm a Hispanic, razza.
If you're really that way, then you are naturally conservative.
That's just gonna look at it.
You remember when George W. ran for his second term as Texas governor, it was a Hispanic landslide here in Texas.
Landslide by the Hispanic community.
Right.
So, I mean, you are absolutely correct.
I grew up in San Antonio, Texas, but you're absolutely correct that it is all about God and family.
It is a great point.
Why do you think?
I mean, you get into it with your community a lot.
You get into it all the time.
You know, you've converted a lot of people to get into the way of thinking of who they really are.
But why do you think a lot of Hispanics is the fastest-growing community in America, population-wise, voting-wise?
I mean, it's the future the way it's going right now.
Demographics.
Yeah, demographic.
Why do you think they vote?
64% vote Democrats.
So I have to go a little deeper.
Okay, so my dad, when my dad was 15 years old living in Mexico, the Bible was not in Spanish.
I mean, in Castellan, we don't speak Spanish.
We speak Castellano.
Castellano.
Castellano.
We speak Castellano.
The Bible in Mexico was Latin up until my dad was 15 years old.
My dad is, he was born in 1957.
So figure up into the late 60s, early 70s, the Bible was not in Spanish, it was in Latin.
But the Catholic religion, or just religion in general, in Mexico, has been there since after they killed the Aztecs off in the Mayanza.
So the reality is this.
My dad says, I don't even know why I follow a certain religion.
It's just because they told me, hey, this is a Bible, kissed it, and said, this is the word of God.
So what does it teach us about Hispanics?
We're very trusting, right?
So we might not even be able to read it.
But if you say it enough time, by the way, Hitler said it, say the lie, repeat the lie, though, believe the lie.
Right?
I'm not like, I'm not talking about the religion.
I'm just saying, as a Hispanic community in Mexico, we're very trusting when you say we want to help you.
We're very trusting.
So whenever you jump on the news, like Telemundo, On Idición, and you listen to Jorge Ramos, which is supposed to be for us, and you say, this is an orange man, bad.
You're like, yes.
You don't do your homework.
You don't do your research.
You don't dig deeper.
Just because another man with your same skin color from your same country that is also an immigrant says so, you believe him.
That's the problem with the Hispanic community.
Nobody goes deeper.
Everybody just says, oh, Mexican must have my best interest at heart.
I'm going to believe him.
So when you start looking at, you know, we're reading through all the laws and everything, you know, for example, I mean, here we are, we have Hispanics voting for the man that was a vice president.
Well, 4 million people got deported, the most in history.
On top of that, the cages were built when he was a vice president.
So you're talking about a raza.
If you're drunk, you're bad.
You're a traitor.
But you were voting for the man that was vice president for eight years as our people got deported and built the cages?
You're hypocritical.
But you don't know any better because Jorge Ramos, telemundo innovation, told you not to believe that.
Well, I mean, so I will speak in defense of many people from Mexico who were not too terribly impressed with the idea of a wall.
100%.
100%.
So I'm just saying.
I said it yesterday.
I posted it on Facebook.
A lot of people, the wall is racist.
Every single president has added to the wall, right?
Every president.
Barack Obama said that he was going to go against the anchor baby thing.
He's the one that brought it up.
So as a wall, I put it on Facebook issues.
Okay, if you don't believe in the wall, you don't believe in ICE, which is basically the security, the cops of the border, it's very simple.
Put on social media what your address is, open up your windows, open up your doors, and don't call the cops when strangers come into your house.
Because they might be hardworking Americans.
That sounds like New York City these days.
And it makes sense why they've converted so many people.
But if you don't like a wall, look, do the trial at your house first.
Before you want us to open up our country, why don't you open up your house first?
Go open up your doors, your windows, leave them open all day all night.
Let anybody come in.
Go to your refrigerator, take your food, do whatever, sleep in whatever room they want, and just not know who they are.
Don't ask them for ID.
Don't ask them for blood.
Because who knows?
I mean, they might just be good, hardworking Americans.
Ricky, do they take the newscaster seriously?
Reino still has that much power as an anchor?
100%.
A news anchor, to a certain extent, is equivalent to a priest.
Because you just think they're Hispanic.
I watch, you got to think this, from the morning to the end.
They watch the morning news, telenovelas, which are soap operas.
Telenovelas.
Telenovedas.
People live for telenovelas in the Hispanic community.
I grew up around, like, one of my crushes, her name is Rui.
Some of my Hispanic followers are going to remember.
It was a soap opera called Rui.
And so they watch these people from morning to night.
So they almost allow them into their own.
It's my dream job to be on a soap opera.
You look like a soap opera guy.
I mean, if you look at that, he looks like a soap opera guy.
And that's your job, right?
What?
I got a question for you.
Ricardo.
Yes.
So you said you think the wall is racist.
No, no, no.
I said Hispanics think the wall is racist.
Some Hispanics think.
Spispies.
You're trying to divert from Hunter Biden by talking about the wall.
Are we talking about Hunter War?
Wait, we're talking about the wall.
What are we talking about Hispanics?
Every sovereign country has a wall, and so they should.
Okay, cool.
I'm with you.
I've said multiple times that people like you that look like you, tatted up, gangsters, I might say, need to actually join the Republican Party, which you are, and run for office.
Right.
You can talk about it all you want unless you run for office and someone sees, damn, that dude Ricky is my guy, it's all just mouth talk.
So when someone like you runs for office, that's when people are going to wake up.
Okay, that's number one.
Number two.
But is this the truth, though?
Because Major is running for office right now, and you don't see a whole lot of California.
He's running against Lucy.
He's a black Republican.
That's what I'm not talking about.
I'm talking about Latinos.
But the black community is just as tight as our community.
So if that was the case, then why isn't Major making any noise in California?
Well, let's talk about numbers now.
Pat said 65%, 64%, 65% of Latinos vote for the Democrats.
That's 35% Republican.
90% of African Americans vote Democrat.
Right.
Okay.
What is Trump doing?
I see what you're saying.
What is Trump doing to bring more Latinos into the Republican Party?
What is Trump doing to bring more African Americans into the community?
Because in my opinion, he's not helping.
No, I agree with you, Adam.
Here's the thing.
You've got to remember, Hispanics are very emotional people.
You know who else is emotional?
Yes.
Everybody.
Everybody.
No, no.
Okay, but Latinos for sure.
They were extra emotional.
Like, we cry on the soap operas.
Does it make sense?
You understand what I'm saying?
We cry when we're in the soap opera.
It's a soap opera.
But we take it so serious.
The problem is in the Hispanic community, we take things that we shouldn't take as serious, very serious, and things that we should take seriously, not as serious.
So I'm sitting here, I was having a conversation with an individual yesterday on Facebook as well, through Messenger.
If I can show you all the bills and the laws and everything that Trump has done to help the Hispanic community, would that change your mind?
No.
Why?
Because F. Trump.
They're not trying to hear the facts.
No, they don't want to hear them.
They're emotional creatures.
It's emotional.
No, no, no.
Of course.
They're extra-emotional creatures.
Extra.
You say most people are emotional?
Well, your Latinos are extra emotions.
By the way, my wife is right here.
That's why I love being married to a Mexican woman because you're very passionate.
But that passion comes at a cost.
She'll cut you.
That passion is going to come at a cost.
So sometimes Erica just...
Erica, put away the knife.
She doesn't know what she's doing.
Sometimes she just thinks about it.
You're not related to Lorena Bobbitt.
No, no, no.
Just checking.
So Erica just may think of something that I might like.
Did you think about it?
I was guilty.
So again, she woke up in the middle of the night because she had a bad dream and just slapped her.
She just slapped the crap out of me.
You're like, I'm sleeping again.
Obviously.
I'm like, did you hit me for something I might do?
But here's the problem.
Here's the problem.
Let's go back to the point.
The point is this.
When you talk about the Hispanic community and you think about this, like I said, Trump is not appealing to minorities because his language.
What's the first thing he ever said?
The first thing he ever said, Ricky, what was it?
It was build a wall.
He wanted to build a wall.
Not to build a wall, that these people are coming across the border.
They're rapists.
They're drug dealers.
Those are soundbites.
Those are soundbites.
Soundbites.
That was his first speech.
That was his inauguration.
MS-13 gang rape women in.
And some of their initiations are to gang rape or to murder.
So if I grab a bunch of soundbites and say, oh, he said that we're racist, murderers, drug dealers.
And he says, I'm assuming some people are good.
Well, I'll put it to you this way.
If I'm at your door with 15 different people, I said, Adam, let me in, but you don't know any of them.
Are you going to assume they're all good?
Or are you going to say, I don't know any of you guys?
I can't assume that you're good.
I have to assume that you're going to harm my family inside my house.
All right.
Let's step back for a minute.
Two times now in public, Trump has been given the opportunity to denounce white supremacists.
49 times he's done it.
But two big stages.
Tonight's his third opportunity to say people who are against people of color are not with me.
This is his third opportunity on a big, big, big stage to go there.
Do you think he's going to go there?
He just did it on the town hall.
And he said, how many times do I have to do it?
But at what point will it be enough for him to do it?
Is there like an official TV?
I'm not like frustrated by answering it.
Like, Tom, are you a racist?
You.
I don't play those games.
You're not going to answer it?
What do you mean?
Do you want to answer?
I'm talking about it.
To Adam's point, he needs to answer it very quickly and decipher those rules.
Who makes up those rules?
If you ask me, ask me.
No, no, no, no, ask me that question.
Am I a racist?
Ask me that question.
I'm pulling this.
There's a part of it.
I don't think I've separated it.
But there's a part of it.
But there's a part of it.
There's a part of it that the question makes the audience assume that at one point he was.
So the question itself has a lot of power behind it.
So even when somebody says, do you still hit your wife?
I've never hitched my wife before.
If I ask it three times in three separate interviews, the audience is going to be like, maybe he does it.
His wife, nobody knows about it.
Questions have a lot of power behind them.
You sit there and you watch questions being asked on both sides.
It's not the same thing.
Anyways, what this was good for, if you didn't know Ricky, now you know Ricky.
This is who Ricky is.
You know his position.
Since we have some stuff we got to do before we get into the debate, can you pull up how much money Trump has raised versus Biden?
Because Biden's been on fire lately raising money.
Pull up the data.
Here's what it's looking like.
So Biden's raised $1.35 billion so far.
Trump's raised $1.49 billion.
So even though it looks good that Trump's raised more, if you look in the light blue and the light pink, in September alone, Biden's raised $358, Trump $153.
Nearly two and a half times more.
If you go a little lower to see what these numbers are looking like, where it's coming from, that's September.
We kind of looked at number.
Go lower.
There's one of the things I wanted to show on how the numbers look.
Trump victory, okay, those are good.
Keep going lower.
Is that it?
Kai, is there anything lower or no?
Okay, that's what I want to look at.
Okay, so you see the spike right.
Yeah, you see the hockey stick.
So what does that hockey stick represent?
Is it representing the last-minute panic?
Is it representing, you know, Bloomberg just came in and cut a big check and that helps the number tremendously?
Is it representing, what is that hockey stick representing?
Is it, we better figure this thing out?
Because if this guy gets in and stays another four years, we're all screwed.
What does that mean?
It's naive naivete because you just don't ramp up the TV commercials and think it's going to sway anything.
Who watches TV anymore?
Who watches these commercials?
People that have already made up their mind.
Old people.
You know anybody that really watches the news or watches network television from 8 till 10?
I don't.
Nobody else does.
Here's the other thing about Trump.
You think he's lacking in TV coverage?
He goes to these swing states, draws 25,000 people at a rally, and owns the news cycle.
People can see through these ads.
There's no one stupid enough that would listen to a TV commercial right now and think, man, a light bulb just went off.
I like this body.
But the light bulb went off after the debate.
You know, with that money, a big part of that went.
I mean, there was like a battle.
$200 million of it.
But do you think that's a small individual?
Do you think if either side needed money right now, they would have it in a second?
It's how they prioritize it.
I don't think Trump is prioritizing TV ads right now.
And the other thing is, there is a chance that one of these sides know more than we do.
This polling data might be inaccurate.
He might not need as many TV commercials as the general populace thinks that he does.
Well, where it will be effective, nationally, I think maybe you're right.
Locally, in swing states, in certain cities in Wisconsin, in Detroit, in certain cities in North Carolina, in certain cities in Florida, in certain cities in Arizona.
I'm not turning my television on my house.
I'm not turning my swing.
They're worried about it.
That's where they're putting the money.
Congress and Senate races, because those are the ones that are very, very close, very contentious, and that's going to make almost as much of a difference as who's president.
And that's where a lot of money is, and that's where the ads are going to be.
You're not going to get legislation done if you can't flip one of the houses.
It's just not happening.
You'll have more gridlock.
You know what really worried me?
And a lot of people don't.
I forgot who was saying that.
I think it was, maybe it was CNN, because I watched CNN because I just, if I want to be entertained, hear a bunch of lies, I'll watch CNN.
So, but anyway, the point is this.
Somebody said, I can't remember if it was Como, if it was Lemon.
He said, if Biden becomes president, he needs to pack the court.
That's scary.
It hasn't happened in 150 years.
You're so saying when you're already insinuating that as a president, this is what you should do.
That's a very scary language.
And this goes back to a little bit of what Pat was saying.
These are the type of things that our Hispanic community doesn't hear.
They don't know deep enough issues.
They don't know that packing the court is a horrible thing to do.
And nor should you do it.
But when you have anchors of people that are naive listening to them, and you say pack, that's a scary thing.
I mean, anybody voting for Biden, you should do your homework and realize that.
Because if, I mean, should Trump back the house?
I mean, what should you do?
Or pack the court?
What should you do?
It's a naivete on the Latino community.
I don't think most people ever even heard of packing.
I haven't seen Corporate until like a month ago.
No kidding.
I've been 40 years on this planet.
I never heard packing the court.
Packing the club when the club gets too full.
But this is a whole lot of people.
Insinuation of it.
It's a scary thought that the anchors that are influencing everyday Americans are saying this.
Well, Joe Biden did say that he will make an announcement on packing the court before he's.
The good news is for people who don't do their own fact checking, the independent organizations that follow Americans reading the Constitution, the American readership of the U.S. Constitution has gone through the roof.
And there's no social media and information.
That's a beautiful thing about that.
I mean, it is so awesome.
It's like what people didn't do in high school, they're going back and doing, and we're learning about our founding fathers and our roots.
I mean, there's some pretty awesome stuff happening because Americans are curious because all they hear are sound bites.
They don't get any substance.
They're like, okay, I'm going to go find out for myself.
And the debates are not helping.
They're not getting any substance debates because some people are not answering the questions.
Other people are interrupting people.
I mean, two minutes each.
Well, how do you feel about the microphone muting after two minutes?
Muting before two minutes.
No, I don't mind that.
Not when you've got 13 minutes to have a food fight after, per question.
13 minutes, there's plenty of time for them to go after each other.
So you like the muting?
Just for the first two minutes.
I mean, I'm sorry, whether it's Biden or Trump, if you can't have 120 seconds, you do not need to be the leader of the free world.
No, I think he is.
I think he's going to force Biden to talk more tonight.
Yeah.
And that's a great thing.
That's how he's going to hurt himself.
And ifs, Trump can stick with his game plan tonight, which is a big what-if.
That's a huge what if.
But I think that's part of their strategy is let Biden kind of, you know.
By the way, here's what's crazy.
Today, a lot of things have happened today, okay?
Yeah, a lot.
One, Amy, Tony Barrett.
They voted for 12 Democrats that didn't show up.
So 12-10, if you want to put it, or 12-0 for them not showing up, too.
George Floyd, you heard about Chauvin, you know, the whole thing.
They didn't think that the third-degree murder could stick.
Yeah, so that's the second thing that happened today, which again, more frustration thing.
Third, the Sasha Cohen Borat 2 clip came out with Rudy Triani in the interview.
He got spooked, which is hilarious.
I know you've been following the story.
I mean, that in itself.
That's what I was thinking when it came to October Surprises.
That was nowhere on my radar series.
Could Borat's timing have been any better?
He is on the 20th of Time Magazine.
You know how they do the top 100?
He's not in the top 100.
I mean, this guy is a brilliant.
And the great thing about him, you don't hear from him in between.
He doesn't like to be internal.
He's under the radar.
He doesn't do anything.
So that's that part.
And then on top of that, we had a couple other stories.
He has 60 minutes.
We had 60 Minutes, which is the 60 Minutes, the interview that Trump did with Leslie Stalling.
With Leslie Stahl.
And then they did it with Biden, I think even Pence and Trump.
And she was upset at Pence and she says.
She's never interviewed Biden.
There was confusion there on the president's part.
She has personally never interviewed Biden.
60 Minutes has.
60 Minutes has interviewed Biden, but not Leslie.
And I mean, after listening to 30 Minutes, that was like two people attacking each other.
So he was attacking her as a person.
I like her on the air anyway.
She's always uncomfortable.
Well, but did you see the first time she interviewed him or no?
Probably.
When he became a president, like four years ago.
And then that whole part, but the biggest factor about this is it's supposed to be launched a Sunday.
Because Pence sat for the whole interview.
Yeah, he did.
So they have plenty to put on the air.
You watch the whole thing.
What did you think about it?
Because before anything.
I can't say it.
I can't say what it looked like.
It's like a something show.
Imagine you're an actor, you're in a movie, your girl is recording the scene, and before the movie comes out, you publicize the scene to everybody.
So 60 Minutes is doing the interview.
Somebody sit in there recording him.
Before 60 Minutes plays it on Sunday, he plays it, so everybody tonight cannot say that he walked out.
Goes live with it.
What was your take when you watched it?
So, I mean, again, it wasn't, I didn't take away anything of substance from it.
And that is an increasing source of frustration.
I think I don't care who you're talking about, Democrats or Republicans, you're like, I want to learn what they think about that's substantive instead of just listening to two people fight.
If I want to listen to two people fight, you know, I wouldn't put my.
Italian.
I mean, well, yeah, I mean, I could just go find a relative.
But I don't.
I mean, I'd rather hear policy, and I think that's what Americans are ready for.
She obviously, they both got hot under the collar.
Do you think it's smart on his own?
She was irritated and he was irritated.
Sorry.
Do you think it was smart on his own?
Now, I have my second master's is in journalism.
So I think he crossed a very dark line in doing that.
What did he do wrong?
I mean, you come to his house, you roll cameras.
He didn't break into CBS and steal videotapes.
No, he didn't, bro.
Walter Cronkin.
He broke with protocol, and that was just, they're not going to not air what happened between the two of them.
It's just, you're going to get to see both of their faces.
You know what CBS is doing backwards right now?
Do you understand the numbers on Sunday night?
Because Sunday night's going to be.
People are going to want to know what their version of what happened is.
Right, but we're talking about right and wrong.
And what he did was not right.
Yeah, but I mean, is it fair to say that they've also done the same thing to him with the whole collusion with Russia?
My point is: had anything of substance come out of the 37 minutes?
But for me, it was just a stunt.
That was all it was.
He was lying and saying he walked out of the interview, and he wanted to set the record straight.
I don't think there's anything wrong with him.
He didn't stay for the entire interview.
They said, sir, you've got five minutes left on air.
And he said, no.
And I mean, he didn't like, you know, rip off his microphone and storm out, but he did.
Can you pull it up?
But he did get up and leave.
You know, if you go to Trump's Facebook page, I hope you don't need to log on.
But he could have just as easily played that one little segment that showed I didn't storm off.
You know what?
I think the biggest motivation for the people, the journalists doing the interviews is they want to impress their peers.
They're doing these interviews for the kudos that they get from their colleagues and their bosses.
And they go in there with, she could have got some substantial information and really answer some questions he never has, but they're so busy being in attack mode and trying to impress their peers.
No, keep going.
No, you're right.
It's about to come.
It's the next one, I think.
Oh, they took it down?
No, that's it, okay?
No, that's it.
So make it bigger.
Make it bigger.
Okay.
Isn't this amazing?
They have to go to 30.
Go to 36 minutes.
Here's how it ends.
Raise the volume.
Okay, play it.
4.7 million views in six hours.
That's a very frustrating question.
That's what he wanted.
That's what he wanted.
He wanted the view.
I didn't want to have this kind of answer.
Of course you did.
No, I didn't.
Of course you did.
Well, then you brought up a lot of subjects that were inappropriately brought up questions.
They were inappropriately brought up.
Right from the beginning.
You know, your first question was, this is going to be tough questions, huh?
It is.
When you set up the interview, your first statement was...
You're president.
Don't you think you should be accountable to this?
Your first statement to me, this is going to be tough questions.
Well, I don't mind that.
When you set up the interview, you didn't say that.
You said, oh, let's have a lovely interview.
And here's what I do say.
You don't ask Joe Biden.
I saw your interview with Joe, the interview.
I never did a joke.
It was a joke.
The interview, 60 minutes.
I see Joe Biden giving softball after softball.
I've seen all of his interviews.
He's never been asked a question that's hard.
Okay, but forget him for a minute.
No, but you start with me.
You're president.
Excuse me, Leslie.
You started with me.
Your first statement was.
Are you ready for tough questions?
Yeah.
That's no way to talk.
No way to talk.
Leslie, one second.
This is the first warning.
I think we have five minutes until we have the vice president stuff.
Is that all right?
Well, I think we have enough.
Really, we have enough of that.
I've had it now.
I think we have enough of an interview.
You see, one of his aides comes out and rescues him.
He just gave her 40 minutes.
But Daniel, if there's anybody, here's the thing.
I get how frustrating he could be, but if there's anybody in politics that is definitely not one that sway, you know, avoids being interviewed and doesn't go into heat, you know, when sitting down with people, this guy.
Everybody else, Obama did it once with, what do you call it?
He sat down once with Hannity.
Not Hannity, O'Reilly.
Do you remember that one interview?
And you never saw it again.
He'll go on CNN's Fox MSN.
He'll go anywhere to do it.
So I don't think it's the thing about him wanting to step away.
She flipped her request that she had at the beginning.
My only thing is, I'm sitting there syndrome.
I'm like, okay, why did he share it?
So is he sharing it because he doesn't want anything to be asked tonight that's going to hurt him?
Is he trying to.
What's his motive of sharing this?
That's what I'm trying to find out.
He's sharing it to give a glimpse of what the motivation is with the media and just how they try to spin something and how why today?
Like, why did he do it today?
What was in here he was worried about?
Did not get people to stop talking about Rudy Giuliani in abroad?
It stopped that.
The one thing that was throughout was there's no corroboration.
It cannot be verified.
It was said over because the Hunter Biden business came out probably four or five times in the 35 minutes they spoke, and she kept repeating after herself, it can't be verified.
We cannot report on it if it cannot be corroborated.
What if Trump knew this was coming out?
What if Trump knew that corroboration itself was coming out today?
What better timing could there be?
On which site?
On that actual, they could validate these emails, right?
And prove them that.
The gentleman who came out and said, I have the physical emails in my possession that the post published.
So why don't we go to the next one?
So that is straightforward corroboration.
And that's what you said before, right?
When we weren't even recording.
So check this out.
I said there's been five big stories today, right?
We talked about Amy Coney Barrett.
This guy.
George Floyd, Rudy Giuliani, the 60 Minutes, and this guy.
Here's what he says.
Before you even watch this.
And by the way, generation after generation in the Navy, this guy.
This guy was friends.
If you haven't seen this, by the way, he may actually be at the debate tonight.
Trump is trying to bring him to the debate tonight, similar to our last time he brought Bill Clinton's mistresses.
Yeah.
Accusers.
Accusers.
Not mistresses.
Accusers.
Oh, it was?
And he's trying to do the same thing on the house.
Accusing mistresses.
Yes.
Alleged.
And Tony comes out today.
Tony was a friend of Hunter Biden, and he drops the bomb in the first two minutes.
Press play on this one.
Linsky is talking to the media right now.
He's armed forces.
Since leaving the Navy, I've been involved in various successful businesses, both in this country and abroad.
I'm making the statement to set the record straight about the involvement of the Biden family, Vice President Biden, his brother Jim Biden, and his son Hunter Biden in dealings with the Chinese.
I've heard Joe Biden say that he's never discussed business with Hunter.
That is false.
I have first-hand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden.
I have also heard that Vice President Biden said on Tuesday that Senator Ron Johnson, the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, should be ashamed for suggesting that Biden family sought to profit from their name.
Well, here are the facts I know, and everything I'm saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents, and other evidence.
And the American people can judge for themselves.
I brought, I guess, for record, three phones in the years 2015 through 2018.
Unbelievable.
Three phones.
I've never been held by anybody else besides myself.
I was told this past Sunday by somebody who was also involved in this matter.
That if I had this information, it would bury all of us, man.
Because he just showed phones?
Why is that?
If everything of the text is in there, it's open.
The few contributions I've made have been to Democrats.
What do you mean, what's up?
I'm asking you, like, what do you think about that?
You're actually asking that question.
I want to hear what you're saying.
Why do he says it in the phones?
The emails in dispute in the New York Post.
Why didn't you do this weeks ago, months ago?
He hasn't politics, man.
Because they're holding on to something.
Go back because we have to hear what this guy is saying.
They're holding on to something.
So go back to hear the keywords.
Go back.
I think it's like at 40 seconds.
Let him play it again because I think Adam missed it.
Folks, forgive us.
Adam may be very good with finances.
When it comes down to selective hearing, he doesn't hear the things that he doesn't want to hear.
He showed me three phones like a drug dealer.
Play one more time.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
There's a lot of drug dealers in my life.
I've also heard that President Biden said on Tuesday that Senator Ron Johnson, the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, should be ashamed for suggesting that Biden family sought to profit from their name.
Well, here are the facts I know, and everything I'm saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents, and other evidence.
Pause.
Okay, go back one more time for nine seconds.
Adam, listen very carefully to what he says.
It's proper.
Everything he's saying.
Play it again.
Biden family sought to profit from their name.
Well, here are the facts I know, and everything I'm saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents, and other evidence.
And the American people can judge for themselves.
So I guess he's dealing with that.
He used the corroboration word.
He said corroborating.
And he's showing you where the evidence plays.
I was told this past Sunday by somebody who was involved in this matter that if I went public this information, it would bury all of us, man.
The Bidens included.
I have no wish to bury anyone.
I've never been political.
The few contributions I've made have been to Democrats.
But what I am is a patriot and a veteran.
To protect my family name and my business reputation, I need to ensure that the true facts are out there.
In late 2015, I was approached by James Gilliard, whom I had known for many years, about joining him in a deal which he said would involve the Chinese state-owned enterprise, CEFC China, Energy, and what he called one of the most prominent families in the United States.
I was informed first by Gillier and then by Hunter Biden and by Rob Walker, who was working with the Bidens, that the Bidens wanted to form a new entity with CFC, which was to invest in infrastructure, real estate, and technology in the U.S. and around the world, and the entity would initially be capitalized with $10 million and then grow to billions of dollars of investment capital.
After months of discussion, I agreed to Gillier and Hunter Biden's request to become CEO of the entity to be called Sinohawk.
Sino representing the Chinese side, Hawk representing Hunter Biden's brother, Bo's favorite animal.
And between February and May 2017, we exchanged numerous emails, documents, and WhatsApp messages concerning Sinohawk and its potential business.
On May 2nd, 2017, the night before Joe Biden was to appear at the Milken Conference, I was introduced to Joe Biden by Jim Biden and Hunter Biden.
At my approximately hour-long meeting with Joe that night, we discussed the Biden's history, the Biden's family business plans with the Chinese, with which he was plainly familiar, at least at a high level.
After that meeting, I had numerous communications with Hunter, Walker, Gilliard, and Jim Biden regarding the allocation of the equity ownership of Sinohawk.
On May 13, 2017, I received an email concerning allocation of equity, which says 10% held by H for the big guy.
In that email, there's no question that H stands for Hunter, big guy for his father, Joe Biden, and Jim for Jim Biden.
In fact, Hunter often referred to his father as the big guy or my chairman.
On numerous occasions, it was made clear to me that Joe Biden's involvement was not to be mentioned in writing, but only face-to-face.
In fact, I was advised by Gilliard and Walker that Hunter and Jim Biden were paranoid about keeping Joe Biden's involvement secret.
How bad is this?
I also had a disagreement with Hunter about the funds CFC was contributing to Sinohawk.
Hunter wanted $5 million of those funds to go to himself and his family.
So he wanted the funds wired directly to an entity affiliated with him.
I objected because I was contrary to the money.
We did speed it up if you're watching this.
Maybe we go to 1.25.
Father, that CFC was really investing in the Biden family, that he held the Trump card, and that he was the one putting his family legacy on the line.
He also said to me on May 17th, 2017, that CFC wanted to be my partner, to be partner with the Bidens.
During these negotiations, I repeated to Hunter and others that Sinohawk could not be Hunter's personal piggy bank.
And I demanded that proper corporate governance procedures be implemented for capital distributions.
Hunter became very upset with me.
CFC through July 2017 was assuring me the funds would be transferred to Sinohawk.
But they were never sent to our company.
Instead, I found out from Senator Johnson's September report that the $5 million was sent in August 2017 to entities affiliated with Hunter.
Tomorrow, I will be meeting with the Senate committee members concerning this matter, and I will be providing to the FBI the devices which contain the evidence corroborating what I have said.
So I will not be taking any questions at this time.
Wow.
Did you hear the end of it where you said that they moved the money to Hunter?
They kicked him out of the deal.
So he's pissed.
Yes.
That's unbelievable.
What do you think about this, Adam?
Adam, tell us, what do you think about this?
I mean, I think Joe Biden should just drop out of the race right now.
I know you're emotionally pissed off, but what do you think about this?
Okay, some dude shows up the day before election.
I've never heard of this guy, and all of a sudden I'm supposed to be like defending this or that, the other.
How pissed would you be if you got screwed over in a deal?
Like, what are his reasonings?
Let me ask you.
You've asked me a couple times.
Let me ask a different way.
Here's a different question for you.
So when the dossier came out, everybody's famous question was what?
What if this is true?
What should they do to Trump, right?
What if this is true?
Yeah, there's going to be legal ramifications.
What if this is true?
There's going to be legal ramifications.
Which means what?
What if freaking news?
I just heard of Joe Bubba Liske for like the minute and a half we watched him.
No clue.
They've been talking about Hunter Biden for years now, and they've nothing stuck.
Biden's winning in the polls still, despite Joe Hunter Biden's salacious activity.
Is this going to be enough to put him over the top?
We'll see.
They should bring this up.
I'm not asking if it is anything to put him over the top.
Does it do anything for you as a voter?
What?
Some dude speaking for a minute and a half?
It doesn't do anything for you.
It does zero for me.
Really?
If they actually prove.
I'm supposed to trust this guy.
No, no, it's not about trusting.
He's a CEO of a company.
He's saying.
So then I should trust him.
No, no, no.
But what's his motivation for lying?
Everything.
What do you mean?
What's his motivation for not lying?
If everything can be proven, if everything can be proven that these talks have been had and that is the agreement, where are you at?
You, where are you at position-wise?
Some dude making a speech does nothing for me.
If actually legal ramifications happen, then yeah.
How many times did you bring up Russia with Trump?
Did I?
Yeah.
We can go on the entire podcast, run it back every single time, zero.
Russia was done when you started the politics.
Of course, it was because it was dumb.
But prior to that, what did you think when you saw the Russia thing with Trump?
Trump's up to some shady stuff with Russia.
You thought about that.
That's it.
Why you jumped to conclusion?
That was never the case.
It came back to the list.
It was all over the TV for a while.
Wait a minute, this is on TV, so you believe that what you don't believe is?
This is on TV for a minute and a half, pass.
But it was.
You know what?
Here's a Trump fan now.
What are you trying to say?
It's not about being a Trump fan.
How many people hate Trump on the Republican side?
Yeah.
Ted Cruz talks shit about him.
Lindsey Graham talks shit about him.
Jeff Bush talks shit about him.
Every single one of these guys talks shit about him.
And what did you say?
Well, of course, they lost to him.
He slaughtered them.
Why would he not be spiteful against him?
This is not.
So this dude got screwed over by a Hunter Biden deal.
Why would he not?
It's a whole different story.
Because you don't put yourself out and make yourself the biggest name in the country now, right before the electron.
His life's in danger.
Literally.
You don't do that.
That's the upside.
Why would Biden not get it?
Because he has so much integrity?
Because he said he's a patriot.
Yes.
This guy's got integrity.
He's a patriot.
What would he say?
He's talking about stuff that happened in $27.
He's $75 million in 2017.
He's waiting for corruption.
Because he's a potential happen in front of him and he wants to set the record straight.
And you know what, Ricky?
Here's what I said on the podcast last week: that they laughed at me.
Deep down, I don't think Biden wants to win this election.
I don't think he wants to be president.
He knows everything that's in his background.
It's a house of cards.
It's going to come crumbling down.
No, it isn't.
It's not stupid.
He would prefer not to win the presidency.
And open himself up this whole thing.
He's raised a billion and a half dollars.
He's done every debate.
He's done everything for the last week for him not to want to win the presidency.
This just proves that people who are going to vote for Trump are going to vote for Trump, and people who are going to vote for Biden are going to vote for Biden.
That's a great point.
And that's that.
I don't think.
Why can't you look at this as a psychological situation?
What's wrong with someone not wanting to do something?
That's all I'm saying.
And I think in his heart, he would prefer not to do it.
Daniel, what does it do for you?
I'm going to say this much.
If he happened to have heard Leslie Stahl, because again, two things happen the same day, I don't think coincidence exists in this world ever, anywhere.
If on the same day she's saying, there is no corroboration, over and over and over again, maybe he's throwing up his hands and saying, yes, there is corroboration.
I don't think he could have done it that quickly.
I think this had to have been planned before he released.
Everything's timing right now.
If you're saying it onto this, if you're asking why did it come out today, it's 100% part of Trump's strategy.
It's 100% strategic.
If you think why Sasha Cohen's like, the story has really become big today and the video is being released when people are watching it, it's because Giuliani was going after Hunter's stuff.
And so now they have to undermine Giuliani and they're hanging on to it to embarrass him.
And it was easy to do.
If anybody's, guys, for the last two months, we've all been saying the same thing.
October is going to be the dirtiest, ugliest, scariest month of the year.
Nobody's surprised.
Can you imagine Halloween?
When I saw the Giuliani thing, I'm sitting there saying, you know, by the way, he went on Howard Stern.
I don't know if you saw when it was on Howard Stern Day.
They asked him about this on Howard Stern.
They said, so what do you think about this?
And, you know, well, you know, he was trying to get me, but I told him I knew what they were trying to do because I've seen that guy before.
That stuff may have worked before, but it doesn't work today.
And I knew what they were doing.
Then the girl, who's the girl on Howard Stern that's been with them for a while?
What's her name?
So she says, well, is there anything you want to tell us that may come out later on?
You know what he said?
You know, I don't remember anything.
First of all, of course you remember everybody who's doing this is Rudy.
So you know when this comes out, it's going to look very, very awkward when this thing comes out.
But for me, when I see something like this and you show me proof of communication, this is bad news.
When the emails of Hillary were taken out, that was bad news.
Okay, that's terrible news because, you know, if they were able to see the emails, it's proof.
You're going to sit there and say, like WikiLeaks, remember how much of a role that guy played in the election last time?
Julian Assange?
Julian Assange, when new things would come up?
Because it's proof.
It's email.
It's written.
If he can prove it, this is going to be ugly.
In theory, the FBI is sitting on this laptop.
Why are they sitting?
Why are they sitting on the laptop?
Why are they?
So if he's going up in front of the Senate tomorrow with his corroborating evidence, then the Senate can say to the FBI, why are you sitting on this laptop?
I mean, again, we as the American people don't know why the FBI is dragging our feet on this.
We should know.
Let me ask you.
We should know, regardless of who it's about, if it's a matter of national security.
But Adam, if you remind Pat, Adam, look, bro, here's the reality behind things.
Anybody that goes publicly pro-Trump or anti-Biden gets ruined.
Is that simple?
So it's not just some Joe Blow jumping on the TV, risking his entire reputation and his whole family.
You go pro-Trump and anti-Biden publicly, you're ruined because the media will ruin you.
And that man's face will be played back or said, or he lied, or he's lying.
I don't know how many times.
Like, there's an element to going pro-Trump and anti-Biden right now in this day and age, today, at whatever 8 o'clock or 7:50, Texas type.
Bro, it's dab near social suicide.
He's got something in common.
He's got something in common with Trump.
He and Trump both gave to a bunch of Democrats.
You're right.
So he said that.
100%.
But the difference between him is: Trump gave to Democrat and Republican.
Trump gave to both sides.
He only gave to.
Give to Democrats.
Only.
Big difference.
Yeah, so I mean, so is it really just some Joe Blow on there saying, I have to do phones and look at this?
I mean, would you really repeat this?
Here's your question to ask.
Have you already made up your mind who you're voting for?
Yes.
Have you already made up your mind?
Have you already made up your mind who is not?
Have you already made up your mind?
Have you already made up your mind who you're voting for?
I'm still 90% Biden.
So let me ask you this.
So if you're watching this, do you think Adam has already made up his mind who is voting for him?
Tomorrow we can get video comes out that Biden shoots somebody.
I'm pretty sure I made up my mind, but I have not cast my ballot.
Okay, so then you have made up your mind.
That's a different story.
I've not cast my ballot.
But she hasn't made up her mind.
So let's talk to Danielle.
So all the undecided voters.
What are you looking for to make your decision who you're going to vote for?
I want to find out who's going to talk like an adult and tell me about the policies that they're going to pursue over and over again.
The one point that Leslie Stahl scored in that interview was she kept saying, you're saying there's an alternative to Obamacare if it gets turned over.
What is it?
Just give it to me in a few sentences.
And he said, I can take you after and show you.
Sorry.
He should be able to say at this point in one paragraph in a sound bite as any politician should be, this is exactly what I'm going to do for healthcare in America, and this is how I'm going to do it.
And I've had this many people vetting the plan, and he should be able to put it in three or four sentences or in two minutes.
And you know, he should be able to do that at the exact same time Joe Biden says how he's going to put an end to Antifa and uprisings throughout this country.
Exactly.
I want to hear substantive answers from both of them.
I want to see who can actually play the adult in the room.
Here's a different question for you.
The different languages.
That's off to the computer.
The next question for you is this.
So for you, what are your top things you look for when you vote?
So go, number one, I look for this.
Is it economy first?
So if you can kind of go through this, China, where are you at with your?
There's a brand new poll out today.
Number one is the economy.
Number two is the coronavirus.
Period end.
What is it for you?
Same things.
Okay, got it.
Same things.
I tend to be with the average American.
We've had two days with a thousand deaths.
I mean, let me tell you what they do to you on Twitter if you talk about cases rising.
People are like, it's a hoax.
I'm like, fine, fine.
We'll just leave it to fatalities.
We'll wait until hospitalizations are going up, which they are in Wisconsin, in Michigan, a lot of swing states right now, as it gets colder.
But people want to know what's the future for the economy and what's the future for the coronavirus.
Nobody wants to shut down again, but they want to know what the leader's plan is.
If we're not shutting down, how are you going to make sure my small business stays open?
I'm going to put the coronavirus.
I always put the coronavirus.
They're attached at the head.
I'm 25th on my list of things that I'm going to do.
In the middle of a pandemic, coronavirus is 25th on your business.
Because I'm capable of taking care of myself and making sure that we're in the middle of a country.
I'm speaking on behalf of the people who are going to be able to do it.
In the top five, clearly, we're going to be able to do that.
Wait, wait, you're looking at this the wrong way.
I'm speaking on behalf of the 25% of American businesses, small businesses that are closing because the people who frequent their businesses are afraid to come out of their homes because there's no cohesive policy.
It's not okay, but there's two sides to that.
Are they freaked out by the message that they're getting constantly?
No, they know what we're talking about.
Everybody knows it's out there.
Hey, look, I live in California.
It's all a scam as far as what Gavin Newsom is doing as far as shutting down Disneyland, shutting down Universal Studios, destroying Anaheim, destroying Orange.
Jim, that is to the absolute extreme, and he's the most guilty for putting small businesses out of business permanently.
I want for a politician to tell me how they're going to keep it safe for me to keep my business, not how they're going to shut me down and keep me shut down.
What's happening to California is ridiculous.
I mean, they should be putting up a wall at the border because these people are leaving California in the droves.
Daniel, question.
I want you to give two grades: Trump's handling of the economy, Trump's handling of the coronavirus.
What would you grade Trump?
I would say his handling.
By the way, she's an economist here.
I would say that his handling of the economy has been a solid B. Solid B for Trump.
Solid B.
I would say that his handling of the coronavirus has been a solid C. See, he keeps falling back on Fauci and saying, but he said not to wear masks, and then he changed his mind.
You want a leader who's like, wait a minute, I've got this, the epiphany, the light bulb goes off.
I can think for myself.
I can do my own homework, and I can come out with my, I don't have to rely on somebody to tell me what my policy should be.
I am the leader of the free world.
I can figure it out on my own.
You can't say that.
Okay, so let's just say you say you can say that, but it's tough to say that.
And then on the other side, when he does it on the military side, you said, what do you know about military?
You can't make a decision for you.
These guys have been to war, you have been to war.
So it's either you can take that position, but you also have to say you ought to listen to the military, you ought to listen to Fauci, or you got to take the position and say, no, you're the commander-in-chief.
You don't listen to the generals.
You do the research.
You make the decision.
You don't listen to your leader that's Fauci.
If somebody says, and this is the fatal flaw of any economist.
If the facts change and you keep your bias, you're going to go down with a ship.
So if the facts change and you don't change your mind, then that just means you're too rigid in your thinking.
Sure.
Sure, but also if you go to it.
And maybe he discounts what Fauci thought.
That's fine.
Maybe he moves on and gets himself a new expert.
Who knows?
If he's like, well, this guy's waffling.
He's going back and forth.
Last week it was no mask.
This week's this mask.
Maybe I'll go find somebody who's objective who I can look to new and different scientific guidance from.
But if you look at the beginning of this thing, like if you look back from when he started to be president, I put myself, when I'm going to speak, I put myself in a position like, for example, with Trump, right?
He's been attacked for how many years, right?
So when they say, hey, this corona thing is going to come in, possibly ruin the economy.
Was it a good idea for him to say it was a hoax?
No.
But when you're always attacked, you have to, in his letter to Samaritan as a president, you have to assume that you're just getting attacked again.
But let's move away from that.
I don't agree that he did that.
But if we look in February and March, in February, because I'm from California, Pelosi was a shit city, which is San Francisco, telling everybody, come out.
It's okay.
We're good.
Everything's under control.
Come visit us.
And that needs to be played over and over.
But that's the thing, Danielle.
It's not.
And there's so many.
Cuomo said, we want to thank the president.
He's doing a good job.
He said that.
The president of Arizona, I mean, the governor of Arizona, every governor said he's doing a great job.
He's doing his best as he can.
Thank you.
Why aren't they playing these videos?
They accuse him of, yeah, it's a hoax.
It's your fault.
Everybody's dying.
But yet, every single Democrat, including Pelosi, the House Speaker, she was in San Francisco in the middle of the city, February 28th, saying, we're good.
Come to Chinatown.
Here's an example.
The coronavirus is a political issue.
It is.
It should have never been.
But it is.
That is the reality of this.
But it's a lot of people.
This is the only country in the world where it is a political issue.
What do you mean it should have never been?
It should have never been a political issue, no.
But why did it become a political issue?
Because the Democrats can use it to try to get Trump in.
But I want to hear what she said.
Why did it become a political issue?
I don't think it, no.
I think it became a political issue because the politicization of the mask itself is at Trump's feet.
No, no, that's not the question.
Why did it become a political issue?
Because Trump made it one.
So it's Trump made it a political issue.
In my view.
Tell me why.
Look, Nancy Pelosi should have never been in Chinatown saying, come on out.
At that point, Trump himself should have come out and said, that's reckless.
And he should have called her out and stuck with it.
But instead, he's waffled back and forth.
You heard the 60-minutes interview today.
I don't know about masks.
They might be good.
They might.
They might possibly be bad.
They might be aware of that.
But it's also a problem.
You have to have one answer if you're a leader.
If I'm leaning on an expert, Fauci, who changes his mind every other day, who the hell do I listen to?
Does he keep a club's manager next to you if you find out that he's wrong or being replaced?
In March, then you tell me it works.
Then you tell me this.
Then you don't wear a mask.
Then you're Fauci.
You're at a Washington national game sitting in the middle of two people and you're not wearing a mask.
Oh, but you took a test, but you don't know if they took a test.
Danielle, there is so much hypocrisy.
I understand.
And what they did, the media, to spin this thing into political thing, to do whatever they can to hurt the economy because they knew one thing.
You know how this thing works.
If the economy is good, if the president's Obama, if the president's Bush, if the president's Clinton, we're going to do it two terms.
If the economy's bad, they're not.
And this is the best thing.
What should Trump have done?
If we don't shut down the economy, I want to ask this question.
If we don't shut down the economy, and the approach was taken in a different way.
Down today's at 35.
What is the chances of Biden even having a chance to win?
80-20.
Stock markets?
Biden would win?
The stock market is at all time high.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying to you.
Yeah.
So what I'm talking about.
Wait, just because they turn it into a political thing.
Look at California 4.
You got Disneyland against Disney World.
Same company, two different states.
One of them, let's go, doesn't open up the park for 200 days.
The other one opens up July 19th.
That was a great episode.
But the point I'm trying to make you is the same company, and Bob Iger's a hardcore Democrat, and he himself stepped out and said, I'm not doing anything with Newsome.
They politicized it.
You can't say Trump politicized it.
Wait.
There's no way in the world you can say Trump politicized it.
Look, you're missing the core issue.
He calls it the China virus, okay?
But he doesn't make the connection to it being the China virus and saying many places in America the economy suffered because China didn't release the data.
But I'm saying he's not a good idea.
But you're saying maybe he didn't do the right thing or maybe he didn't use the right tactics.
Many of our allies, Australia, many of our allies shut down because the politicians were in the dark because China did not release the data.
When's the last time since you've been born you've seen the economy shut down and nobody going to work?
Pat, there were aerial images of the crematoriums over Wuhan.
Everybody was scared shitless.
I know, I'm with you.
I'm not saying anything, but I'm not going to say that.
But again, we didn't know how bad it was because China kept all the data.
So what are you supposed to do?
We're on the same page here.
So first of all, number one enemy to me is China.
I fully, we're on the same page when it comes down to China.
And to me, being somebody that's from Iran, if Iran and China wants Biden, I'm concerned.
I'm concerned about that.
I'm concerned about why the Iran and Chinese leadership, the government is excited about Biden becoming president, not Trump.
Why?
Because you're not going to get it.
Well, who's going to be harder on China?
Of course Trump's going to be harder on China.
So for me, if we're going to that perspective, I'm pure economy, guys.
By the way, we're getting started.
So let me give you the details of today's debate.
So by the way, that was great.
Phenomenal, everybody.
This was very good.
Location, Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee.
I've been in Nashville, Tennessee.
Shout out to all the folks who've been to Silverado and Nashville.
It's a great nightclub.
They taught me how to dance country.
Shout out to Silverado.
Great people.
Good night.
Wait, wait, wait.
We're on your nightclub.
I'm bookmarking that on YouTube.
Way.
Moderator Kristen Welker, which we all know is not a Trump fan.
It's going to be interesting how that goes.
She's from MSNBC.
Topic of debates, fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security, and leadership.
Format, the Commission on Presidential Debate said this week that it was changing on debate rules so that each candidate will be silenced while the other gives a two-minute opening statement at the start of each 15-minute segment during the rest of the discussion in each block.
Having said that, I think we're getting close to it.
One quick question.
Yes.
Do the words Hunter Biden get mentioned in the first 30 minutes?
By Trump, yes.
By Trump.
By anyone other than Trump.
I don't know.
Well, she's saying, hey, something came to light tonight.
In fact, there was a press conference an hour ago.
Mr. Biden, did you see that?
Have you had any comments?
She will fall back on the fact that she can't.
Why don't you put it up already?
Start showing it that we're no, no, meaning in the screen.
Okay, good.
So they can see that.
Do you have any opinions, Pat, on how this is going to turn out tonight?
I think it's going to be uglier than the first one.
I don't think it's going to be a problem.
Yeah, I think it's going to be uglier than the first one because imagine today what their day looks like with all these different stories.
And in your brain, you're trying to find out what angle.
Well, at least you're going to be able to get it.
Everyone's giving you advice.
Everyone's telling you what angle you should take.
Everyone's trying to, especially Biden, like they've told a million different things on what to try to do.
And you're trying to get all your angles in place.
So, all this week that Biden's been preparing, it's irrelevant because five different events happened today.
So, whatever you've been preparing for, what does Trump need to do in order to win this debate?
And what does Biden need to be?
Trump's got to be Trump.
Trump's got to be Trump.
Stay with the facts.
Yeah, and Biden's got to try to get away from the stories as much as possible.
I'm interested to see the human beings.
She's ready to crush Trump.
She just popped up her eyebrows.
That's so obvious.
By the way, the human element with Biden is what I'm going to watch for.
This is his family that's involved.
It's not just policy in the country.
One of his sons is dead.
The other one's alive and is the villain of the U.S. right now.
She's a Latina, right?
Susan Walker, yes.
Yes.
I just want everybody to know watching this on behalf of the Latino community, we do not support that woman.
She hasn't even started yet, bro.
There's some bias right there.
She knows that bias.
I don't know what she stands for.
What does she stand for?
Look, you were talking about earlier.
She stands for.
Look, she's anti-Trump.
Okay.
Okay.
So, you know, Danielle was making some interesting points, Renia.
She says, I want to know what he's going to do.
Here's the reality.
I go off of history because history always repeats itself.
What did Winston Churchill say?
He says, in order for us to look at the future, we have to go look deep in the past.
47 years, what has Biden done?
He's done the crime bill in 1993 and massacre traded blacks, right?
Proposed.
You know, here's the last thing.
Biden is on page memorizing his lines to raise audio.
Okay, guys, let's have a good debate.
Bring it in.
At least we got copyrighted.
President Donald J. Trump has popcorn.
President Joe Biden.
Tonight's debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.
It is conducted under health and safety protocols.
Can we turn that up a little bit, gentlemen?
...designed by the commission's health security advisor.
The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent.
No cheers, boos, or other interruptions, except right now as we welcome to the stage former Vice President Joe Biden and President Donald J. Trump.
No mask.
Oh, God.
Oh, Lord.
Oh, Lord.
What a responsible man.
Look forward to it one time.
So for the moral morality Trump's ready.
I get it.
I get it.
Nice air deck, friend.
Good evening to both of you.
This debate will cover six major topics.
At the beginning of each section, each candidate will have two minutes uninterrupted to answer my first question.
The debate commission will then turn on their microphone only when it is their turn to answer.
The commission will turn it off exactly when the two members expire.
After that, both microphones will remain on.
But on behalf of the voters, I'm going to ask you to please speak one at a time.
The goal is for you to hear each other and for the American people to hear every word of what you both have to say.
And so with that, if you're ready, let's start.
And we will begin with the fight against the coronavirus.
President Trump, the first question is for you.
The country is heading into a dangerous new phase.
More than 40,000 Americans are in the hospital tonight with COVID, including record numbers here in Tennessee.
And since the two of you last shared a stage, 16,000 Americans have died from COVID.
So please be specific.
How would you lead the country during this next stage of the coronavirus crisis?
Two minutes, uninterrupted.
So as you know, 2.2 million people modeled out were expected to die.
We closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from China.
It's a worldwide pandemic.
It's all over the world.
You see the spikes in Europe and many other places right now.
If you notice, the mortality rate is down 85%.
The excess mortality rate is way down and much lower than almost any other country.
And we're fighting it and we're fighting it hard.
There is a spike.
There was a spike in Parliament.
It's now gone.
There was a very big spike in Texas.
It's now gone.
There was a very big spike in Arizona.
It's now gone.
And there are some spikes and surges in other places.
They will soon be gone.
We have a vaccine that's coming.
It's ready.
It's going to be announced within weeks and it's going to be delivered.
We have Operation Warp Speed, which is the military is going to distribute the vaccine.
I can tell you from personal experience that I was in the hospital, I had it, and I got better.
And I will tell you that I had something that they gave me, a therapeutic, I guess they would call it.
Some people could say it was a cure.
But I was in for a short period of time and I got better very fast or I wouldn't be here tonight.
And now they say I'm immune.
Whether it's four months or a lifetime, nobody has been able to say that, but I'm immune.
More and more people are getting better.
We have a problem that's a worldwide problem.
This is a worldwide problem.
But I've been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what we've been able to do.
If you take a look at what we've done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else, and in particular ventilators, we're now making ventilators all over the world, thousands and thousands a month, distributing them all over the world.
It will go away, and as I say, we're rounding the turn.
We're rounding the corner.
It's going away.
Okay, former Vice President Biden, to you, how would you lead the country out of this crisis?
You have two minutes uninterrupted.
220,000 Americans dead.
If you hear nothing else, I say tonight, hear this.
Anyone who's responsible for not taking control, in fact, not saying I take no responsibility initially.
Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America.
We're in a situation where there are a thousand deaths a day right now.
A thousand deaths a day.
And there are over 70,000 new cases per day.
Compared to what's going on in Europe, as the New England Medical Journal said, they're starting from a very low rate.
We're starting from a very high rate.
The expectation is we'll have another 200,000 Americans dead between now and the end of the year.
If we just wore these masks, the president's own advisors have told him, we could save 100,000 lives.
And we're in a circumstance where the president thus far still has no plan, no comprehensive plan.
What I would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask all the time.
I would make sure we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing.
I would make sure that we set up national standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the wherewithal, the financial resources, to be able to do that.
We're in a situation now where the New England Medical Journal, one of the most serious journals in the whole world, said for the first time ever that the way this president has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic.
And so folks, I will take care of this.
I will end this.
I will make sure we have a plan.
It's almost comical.
President Trump, I'd like to follow up with you in your comments.
You talked about taking a therapeutic.
I assume you're referencing Regeneron.
You also said a vaccine will be coming within weeks.
Yes.
Is that a guarantee?
No, it's not a guarantee, but it will be by the end of the year.
But I think it has a good chance.
There are two companies, I think, within a matter of weeks, and it will be distributed very quickly.
Can you tell us which companies?
Johnson ⁇ Johnson is doing very well.
Moderna is doing very well.
Pfizer is doing very well.
And we have numerous others.
And then we also have others that we're working on very closely with other countries, in particular Europe.
Let me follow up with you, and because this is new information, you have said a vaccine is coming soon.
You didn't give any advice except for mask and...
And I'll save it.
...earliest for enough Americans to get vaccinated.
And even then, they say the country will be wearing masks and distancing.
Aside for 2022.
Is your timeline realistic?
He always says that.
That was not exactly strong.
I will encourage everyone to wear masks.
We have our generals lined up, one in particular, that's the head of logistics.
And this is a very easy distribution for him.
He's ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine.
And we expect to have 100 million vials as soon as we have the vaccine.
He's ready to go.
Vice President Biden, your reaction, and just 40% of Americans say they would definitely agree to take a coronavirus vaccine if it was approved by the government.
What steps would you take to give Americans confidence in a vaccine if it were approved?
Make sure it's totally transparent.
Have the scientists of the world see it, know it, look at it, go through all the processes.
And by the way, this is the same fellow who told you this is going to end by Easter last time.
This is the same fellow who told you that, don't worry, we're going to end this by the summer.
We're about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter.
And he has no clear plan, and there's no prospect that there's going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the American people before the middle of next year.
President Trump, your reaction, he says you have no plan.
I don't have a dark winter at all.
We're opening up our country.
We've learned and studied and understand the disease, which we didn't at the beginning.
When I closed and banned China from coming in, heavily infected, and then ultimately Europe.
But China was in January.
Months later, he was saying I was xenophobic.
I did it too soon.
Now he's saying, oh, I should have moved quicker.
But he didn't move quicker.
He was months behind me, many months behind me.
And frankly, he ran the H1N1 swine flu, and it was a total disaster, far less lethal, but it was a total disaster.
Had that had this kind of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now.
But it was a far less lethal disease.
Biden's sleeping.
Look, his own person who ran that for him, who, as you know, was his chief of staff, said it was catastrophic.
It was horrible.
We didn't know what we were doing.
Now he comes up and he tells us how to do this.
Also, everything that he said about the way every single move that he said we should make, that's what we've done.
We've done all of it.
But he was way behind us.
Vice President Biden, your response.
My response is he is xenophobic, but not because he shut down access from China.
And he did it late after 40 countries had already done that.
In addition to that, what he did, he made sure that we had 44 people that were in there in China trying to get the Wuhan to determine what exactly the source was.
What did the President say in January?
He said, no, he said, this is, he's being transparent.
The President of China is being transparent.
We owe him a debt of gratitude.
We have to thank him.
And then what happened was we started talking about using the Defense Act to make sure we go out and get whatever is needed out there to protect people.
And again, I go back to this.
He had nothing.
He did virtually nothing.
And then he gets out of the hospital and he talks about, don't worry, it's all going to be over soon.
Come on.
There's not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it's going to be over soon.
President Trump, your reaction?
I don't say over soon.
I say we're learning to live with it.
We have no choice.
We can't lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does.
He has the ability to lock himself up.
He's obviously made a lot of money someplace.
But he has this thing about living in a basement.
People can't do that.
By the way, I, as the president, couldn't do that.
I'd love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the White House and go away for a year and a half until it disappears.
I can't do that.
And Kirsten, every meeting I had, every meeting I had, and I'd meet a lot of families, including Gold Star families and military families.
Every meeting I had, and I hated me.
Does the guy had SNL do not have to be aware of that?
It would be horrible to have canceled everything.
I said, you know, this is dangerous.
And you catch it.
And, you know, I caught it.
I learned a lot.
I learned a lot.
Great doctors, great hospitals.
And now I recovered.
99.9 of young people recover.
99% of people recover.
We have to recover.
We can't close up our nation.
We have to open our school, and we can't close up our nation, or you're not going to have a nation.
And of course, the CDC has said young people can get it.
It's a great start to the debate just so you know.
And she's letting them talk.
I actually like the way she's doing it.
30 seconds.
30 seconds.
Number one.
I know Ricky said, you know, he's already done.
We're learning to live with it.
People are learning to die with it.
You folks home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning.
That man or wife going to bed tonight and reaching over to try to touch their out of habit where their wife or husband was.
It's gone.
Learning to live with it.
Come on.
We're dying with it.
Because he's never said, you see, you said it's dangerous.
When's the last time?
Is it really dangerous still?
Are we dangerous?
You tell the people it's dangerous now.
What should they do about the danger?
And you say, I take no responsibility.
Let me talk about your teacher.
Excuse me.
I take full responsibility.
It's not my fault that it came here.
It's China's fault.
And you know what?
It's not Joe's fault that it came here either.
It's China's fault.
They kept it from going into the rest of China for the most part, but they didn't keep it from coming out to the world and ourselves.
That's the first thing you need to have done to be uniform.
That's what he needs to be saying.
When we knew it was coming, when it hit, what happened?
What did the president say?
He said, don't worry.
It's going to go away.
Be gone by Easter.
Don't worry.
Warm weather.
Don't worry.
Maybe injecting the city.
He did say this.
He said, it would all be in Easter church services.
He said that.
A whole range of things the president has said.
Even today, he thinks we are in the world.
To Biden's point, there are a thousand people dying every day right now.
We're back up to that level.
It's serious for their families.
And I know for a fact if you just study excess mortality, it takes it all out of the wash.
And that went on for months.
What, Nancy Pelosi said the same thing?
She was dancing on the streets in Chinatown in San Francisco.
But when I closed, he said, this is a terrible thing.
You xenophobic.
I think he called me racist even.
And because I was closing it to China.
Now he says I should have closed it earlier.
It just, Joe, it doesn't work.
I didn't say either of those things.
You certainly should.
I talked about his xenophobia in a different context.
It wasn't about closing the border to Chinese.
I want to talk about both of your different strategies to handle.
He thought I shouldn't have closed the border.
That's obvious.
Do you want to respond to that quickly, Vice President?
Okay.
Scientists continue to ask you.
Mr. Vice President, you suggested that supporting shutdowns if scientists recommended it.
What do you say to Americans who are fearful that the cost of shutdowns, the impact on the economy, the higher rates of hunger, depression, domestic and substance abuse outweighs the risk of exposure to the virus?
That's so true.
What I would say is I'm going to shut down the virus.
It's his ineptitude that caused the country to have to shut down in large part.
Why businesses have gone under?
Why schools are closed, why people have lost their living, and why they're concerned.
Those other concerns are real.
That's why he should have been, instead of in a sand trap in his golf course, he should have been negotiating with Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats and Republicans about what to do about the accident.
No big cheer here, but there were cheers in some houses in America right now.
Just saying, he plays a lot of balls.
I'm not shutting down the name, but there are, look, they need standards.
The standard is if you have a reproduction rate in a community that's above a certain level, everybody says, slow up.
More social distancing.
Do not open bars and do not open gymnasium.
Do not open until you get this under control, under more control.
But when you do open, give the people the capacity to be able to open and have the capacity to do it safely.
For example, schools.
Schools, they need a lot of money to open.
They need to deal with ventilation systems.
They need to deal with smaller classes, more teachers, more pods.
And he's refused to support that money, or at least up to now.
Let's talk about schools.
President Trump.
I think we have to respond, if I might.
Please, and then I have a follow-up.
Thank you, and I appreciate that.
Look, all he does is stuff.
But forget about him.
His Democrat governors, Cuomo in New York.
You look at what's going on in California.
You look at Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Democrats, Democrats all.
They're shut down so tight and they're dying.
They're dying.
And he supports all these people.
All he talks about is shutdowns.
No, we're not going to shut down and we have to open our schools.
And it's like, as an example, I have a young son.
He also tested positive.
By the time I spoke to the doctor the second time, he was fine.
It just went away.
Young people, I guess it's their immune system.
Let me follow up with you, President Trump.
You've demanded schools open in person and insist they can do it safely.
But just yesterday, Boston became the latest city to move its public school system entirely online after a coronavirus spike.
What is your message to parents who worry that sending their children to school will endanger not only their kids, but also their teachers and families?
I want to open the schools.
The transmittal rate to the teachers is very small, but I want to open the schools.
We have to open our country.
We're not going to have a country.
You can't do this.
We can't keep this country closed.
This is a massive country with a massive economy.
People are losing their jobs.
They're committing suicide.
There's depression, alcohol, drugs at a level that nobody's ever seen before.
There's abuse, tremendous abuse.
We have to open our country.
You know, I've said it often.
The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.
And that's what's happening.
And he wants to close down.
He'll close down the country if one person in our massive bureaucracy says we should close it down.
Vice President Biden, your response?
Simply not true.
We ought to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
We ought to be able to safely open.
But they need resources to open.
You need to be able to, for example, if you're going to open a business, have social distancing within the business.
You need to have, if you have a restaurant, you need to have plexiglass dividers so people cannot infect one another.
You need to be in a position where you can take testing rapidly and know whether a person is, in fact, infected.
You need to be able to trace.
You need to be able to provide all the resources that are needed to do this.
And that is not inconsistent with saying that what we're going to make sure that we can open safely.
And by the way, he just scored a point.
I'm sorry.
Not that.
There's social distancing.
All that stuff is already happening.
That's all.
That was three months ago when we even have Department of Health and Services come to our office.
It's a ghost down.
Say you want to look, bud.
Plexiglass.
These are the things that you're going to do.
He's not sleepy.
He's not dementia.
He's out there talking point-to-point with Trump.
It's an even debate right now.
Nobody's winning, right?
No one's even right now.
You're going to sit there in a cubicle wrapped up.
I mean, my husband's got a salesman.
He's a 45-year-old marathon runner.
He's kidding after coronavirus.
I mean, marathon runner.
Buff guy.
Look at New York and what's happened to my two weeks in the hospital.
Damn near died.
My wife's entire family got coronavirus.
Her mom, her stepdad, her sister, her two nieces.
They were bored after one day because they wanted to get out of the way.
But that's what I'm saying.
It's random.
I mean, this 45-year-old marathon runner lands in the hospital for two weeks.
He must have had some sort of other coronavirus.
It's random.
That's the problem with this thing.
It's random.
Coronavirus.
Ricky, you have the corona for how long?
The states and the Midwest.
Oh, ten days.
Ten days.
Three months ago?
Three months ago?
Ten days.
July 15th.
No.
I just isolated it for 14 days.
And how did it feel?
Like the flu.
I like the flu.
Money's already been.
You want to get it again?
I mean, nothing's happened.
President, New York has lost more than 40,000 people.
11,000 people in nursing office.
President Trump, what about it closed?
Take a look at what's happening with your friend in Michigan, where her husband's the only one allowed to do anything.
It's been like a prison.
Now it was just ruled unconstitutional.
Take a look at North Carolina.
They're having spikes, and they've been closed, and they're getting killed financially.
We can't let that happen, Joe.
You can't let that happen.
We have to open up, and we understand the disease.
We have to protect our seniors.
We have to protect our elderly.
We have to protect, especially our seniors with heart problems and diabetes problems, and we will protect them.
We have the best testing in the world by far.
That's why we have so many cases.
Let me follow up with you before we move on to our next section, President Trump.
This week, we call Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's best-known infectious disease expert.
Quote disaster.
You described him and other medical experts as, quote, idiots.
If you're not listening to them, who are you listening to?
I'm listening to all of them, including Anthony.
I get along very well with Anthony.
But he did say, don't wear masks.
He did say, as you know, this is not going to be a problem.
I think he's a Democrat, but that's okay.
He said, this is not going to be a problem.
We are not going to have a problem at all.
When Joe says that I said, Anthony Fauci said, and others, and many others, and I'm not knocking him a lot, nobody knew.
Look, nobody knew what this thing was.
Nobody knew where it was coming from, what it was.
We've learned a lot.
But Anthony said, don't wear masks.
Now he wants to wear masks.
Anthony also said, if you look back, exact words.
Here's his exact words.
This is no problem.
This is going to go away soon.
So he's allowed to make mistakes.
He happens to be a good person.
Vice President Biden, your response quickly, and then we're going to move on to the next section.
My response is that think about what the president knew in January and didn't tell the American people.
He was told this was a serious virus that spread in the air and it was much worse than, much worse than the flu.
He went on record and said he just got mad for the first time.
Recorded that, in fact, he knew how dangerous it was, but he didn't want to tell us.
For somebody who didn't want to tell him.
He didn't accuse you of being responsible for a disease.
Unfortunately, he's on tape with Bob Woodward saying it.
But guess what?
In the meantime, we find out in New York.
That's why Trump just got mad for the first time.
His folks went to Wall Street and said this is a really dangerous thing.
And a memo out of that meeting, not from his administration, but from some of the brokers said, sell short because we've got to get moving.
It's a dangerous problem.
Well, this is the first time.
I'm going to give you 30 seconds to respond and then we'll go.
I don't know.
Somebody went to Wall Street.
You're the one that takes all the money from Wall Street.
I don't take it.
I have.
You have raised a lot of money, tremendous amounts of money.
And every time you raise money, deals are made.
I could raise so much more money as president and as somebody that knows most of those people, I could call the heads of Wall Street, the heads of every company in America.
They're all at least he's not naming names so ExxonMobil doesn't have to come out with another advisory.
Then you bring up Wall Street.
You shouldn't be bringing up Wall Street because you're the one that takes the money from Wall Street, not me.
I could blow away your records that, like, you wouldn't believe.
We don't need money.
We have plenty of money.
In fact, we beat Hillary Clinton with a tiny fraction of the money that she was able to do.
All right, gentlemen, we're going to go to the next step.
Don't talk about average contribution, $43.
All right, we're going to move on to our next section, which is national security.
And I do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight.
Just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election.
Both countries have obtained U.S. voter registration information, these officials say, and Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters.
This question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.
What would you do to put an end to this threat?
You have two minutes uninterrupted.
I made it clear, and I asked everyone else to take the pledge.
I made it clear that any country, no matter who it is, that interferes in American elections, will pay a price.
They will pay a price.
And it's been overwhelmingly clear this election, I won't even get into the last one, this election, that Russia has been involved, China has been involved to some degree, and now we learn that Iran is involved.
They will pay a price if I'm elected.
They're interfering with American sovereignty.
What's the price?
That's what's going on right now.
They're interfering with American sovereignty.
And to the best of my knowledge, I don't think the president said anything to Putin about it.
I don't think he's talking a lot.
I don't think he said a word.
I don't know why he hadn't said a word to Putin about it.
And I don't know what he has recently said, if anything, to the Iranians.
My father's not.
He's not saying what he would do.
Did you not hear what he said to the Iranians about a week and a half ago?
We are in a situation.
The hell that they would face if there was not standing up to the foreign government.
What is happening with his buddy?
Well, I shouldn't, oh, I will.
His buddy, Rudy Giuliani, he's being used as a Russian pawn.
He's being fed into the world.
That is Russian.
Wow, that was not true.
And then what happens is that we find out that he should not have done it first.
I'm not going to get elected the next president of the United States because they know I know them and they know me.
I don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan, when he's engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of NATO.
I don't know why he doesn't do it, but it's worth asking the question.
He's going to act on the title.
He matches his tie.
Joe, take cover.
President Trump, same question to you.
Let me ask a question.
You're going to have two minutes to respond.
For two elections in a row now, there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries.
What would you do in your next term to put an end to this?
Two minutes uninterrupted.
Well, let me respond to the first part, as Joe answered.
Joe got $3.5 million from Russia, and it came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow, and it was the mayor of Moscow's wife.
And you got $3.5 million.
Your family got $3.5 million.
And someday you're going to have to explain why did you get $3.5 million?
I never got any money from Russia.
I don't get money from Russia.
Now, about your thing last night, I knew all of you from China.
Through John, who is John Redcliffe, who is a fantastic DNI, he said, the one thing that's common to both of them, they both want you to lose because there has been nobody tougher to Russia between the sanctions, nobody tougher than me on Russia, between the sanctions, between all of what I've done with NATO.
You know, I've got the NATO countries to put up an extra $130 billion going to $420 billion a year.
That's to guard against Russia.
I sold, while he was selling pillows and sheets, I sold tank busters to Ukraine.
There has been nobody tougher on Russia than Donald Trump.
And I'll tell you, they were so bad.
They took over the submarine port.
You remember that very well during your term, during you and Barack Obama, they took over a big part of what should have been Ukraine.
You handed it to them, but you were getting a lot of money from Russia.
They were paying you a lot of money, and they probably still are.
But now, with what came out today, it's even worse.
All of the emails, the emails, the horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family.
And Joe, you were vice president when some of this was happening, and it should have never happened.
And I think you owe an explanation to the American people.
Why is it somebody just had a news conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family?
But what he said was damning.
And regardless of me, I think you have to clean it up and talk to the American people.
Maybe you can do it right now.
Vice President Biden, you may respond to the second question.
And then I do want to follow up on the election security.
I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life.
We learned that this president paid China, has a secret bank account with China, does business in China, and in fact is talking about me taking money.
I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever.
Ever.
Number one.
Number two, this is a president.
I have released all of my tax returns.
22 years.
Go look at them.
22 years of my tax return.
You have not released a single solitary year of your tax return.
What are you hiding?
Why are you unwilling?
The foreign countries are paying you a lot.
Russia is paying you a lot.
China's paying you a lot.
And your hotels and all your businesses all around the country, all around the world.
And China's building a new road to a golf course you have overseas.
So what's going on here?
Why not release your tax return or stop talking about corruption?
President Trump, your response.
First of all, I called my accountants, underwrote it.
I'm going to release them as soon as we can.
I want to do it.
It'll show how successful, how great this company is.
But much more importantly than that, people were saying $750.
I asked them a week ago, I said, what did I pay?
They said, sir, you prepaid tens of millions of dollars.
I prepaid my tax.
Over the last number of years, tens of millions of dollars.
I prepaid because at some point they think it's an estimate.
They think I may have to pay tax.
So I already prepaid it.
Nobody told me that.
Nobody told you that.
Excuse me.
And it wasn't written whenever they write this.
They keep talking about $750, which I think is a filing fee.
But let me just tell you, I prepaid millions and millions of dollars in taxes.
Number one.
Number two, I don't make money from China.
You do.
I don't make money from Ukraine.
You do.
I don't make money from Russia.
You made $3.5 million, Joe.
And your son gave you, they even have a statement that we have to give 10% to the big man.
You're the big man, I think.
I don't know.
Maybe you're not.
But you're the big man, I think.
God, your son said we have to give 10% to the big man.
What do you mean?
Joe, what's that all about?
It's terrible.
Gentlemen, I want to ask you both some questions about all taxes that we're going to each other.
Very quickly.
You just said you spoke to your accountant about potentially releasing your taxes.
Did he tell you when you can release them?
Do you have a deadline for when you're going to release the taxes?
I get treated worse than the Tea Party got treated.
Because I have a lot of people in there deep down in the IRS.
They treat me horribly.
We made a deal.
It was all settled until I decide to run for president.
I get treated very badly by the IRS, very unfairly.
But we had a deal all done.
As soon as we're completed with the deal, I want to release it.
But I have paid millions and millions of dollars.
And it's worse than paying.
I paid in advance.
It's called prepaying your taxes.
I paid in advance.
We got prepaid partners.
I'm not going to ask you both about questions, right?
Do you believe them on the tax thing?
Daniel, do you believe him on the tax thing?
Still under auditorials.
To talk about this broadly, I do not know the law because this has never occurred before, whether or not the statute of limitations goes on hold as long as he's in office.
Joe, stop playing around.
You've been saying for four years you're going to release your taxes.
Nobody knows, Mr. President.
What they do know is you're not paying your taxes or you're paying taxes that are so low.
When last time he said when he paid, he said, I only pay that little because I'm smart.
I know how to gain the system.
Come on.
Come on, folks.
President Trump, and then I want to get to two questions to both of you.
I was put through a phony witch hunt for three years.
It started before I even got elected.
They spied on my campaign.
No president should ever have to go through what I went through.
Let me just say this.
Mueller and 18 angry Democrats and FBI agents all over the place spent $48 million.
They went through everything I had, including my tax returns, and they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong.
$48 million.
I guarantee you, if I spent $1 million on you, Joe, I could find plenty wrong.
Because the kind of things that you've done and the kind of monies that your family has taken, I mean, your brother made money in Iraq.
Millions of dollars.
Your other brother made a fortune.
And it's all through you, Joe.
And they say you get some of it, and you do live very well.
You have houses all over the place.
You live very well.
All right, gentlemen, let me just ask some questions about all of this broadly because there have been questions about the work your son has done in China and for a Ukrainian energy company when you were vice president in retrospect.
Was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical?
Nothing was unethical.
Here's what the deal: with regard to Ukraine, we had this whole question about whether or not, because he was on the board, I later learned of Burisma, a company, that somehow I had done something wrong.
Yet every single solitary person when he was going through his impeachment, testifying under oath who worked for him, said, I did my job impeccably.
I carried out U.S. policy.
Not one single solitary thing was out of line.
Not a single thing.
Number one.
Number two, the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine was this guy trying to bribe the Ukrainian government to say something negative about me, which they would not do and did not do because it never, ever, ever happened.
My son has not made money in terms of this thing about what are you talking about?
China.
I have not had it.
The only guy made money from China is this guy.
He's the only one.
Nobody else has made money from China.
He definitely didn't do it.
Let me ask my question to you.
Could I just one word?
My son didn't have a job for a long time, was sadly no longer in the military service.
I won't get into that.
And he didn't have a job.
As soon as he became vice president, Barisma, not the best reputation in the world, I hear they paid him $183,000 a month.
Listen to this.
$183,000.
And they gave him a $3 million upfront payment.
All right.
And he had no vice president respond to that quickly and then I need to schedule a question to you.
Very quickly.
No basis for that.
Everybody investigated that.
No one said anything he did was wrong in Ukraine.
Okay, President Trump, this is for you.
Since you took office, you've never divested from your business.
Why would he be so quick on that?
They didn't spend a lot of time on that.
A report this week, which was referenced, does indicate that your company has a bank account in China.
So how can voters know that you don't have any foreign conflicts of interest?
I have many bank accounts, and they're all listed, and they're all over the place.
I mean, I was a businessman doing business.
The bank account is a business.
You missed it by the New York Times.
We've never really had it.
Anybody knows about it?
It's listed.
The bank account was in 2013.
That's what it was.
It was open to do.
It was closed in 2015, I believe.
And then I decided because I was going to do, I was thinking about doing a deal in China like millions of other people.
I was thinking about it, and I decided I'm not going to do it.
Didn't like it.
I decided not to do it.
Had an account open, and I closed it.
Okay.
Excuse me.
And then, unlike him, where he's vice president and he does business, I then decided to run for president after that.
That was before.
So I closed it before I even ran for president, let alone became president.
Big difference.
He is the vice president of the United States, and his son, his brother, and his other brother are getting rich.
They're like a vacuum cleaner.
They're sucking.
We do need to move on.
I do want to ask you, Vice President Biden, about China.
Let's talk about China more broadly.
China.
There have, of course, President Trump has said that they should pay for not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus.
If you were president, would you make China pay?
And please be specific.
What would that look like?
Thank you.
What I'd make China do is play by the international rules.
Not like he has.
He has caused the deficit in China to go up, not down, with China.
That's true.
We've been making sure that in order to do business in China, you have to give all your intellectual property.
You have to have a partner in China 51%.
We would not do that at all, number one.
Number two, we're in a situation where China would have to play by the rules internationally as well.
When I met with Xi when I was still vice president, he said we're setting up air identification zones in the South China Sea.
You can't fly through them.
I said, we're going to fly through them.
We just flew B-52, B-1 bombers, through it.
We're not going to pay attention.
They have to play by the rules.
And what's he do?
He embraces guys like the thugs like in North Korea and the Chinese president and Putin and others.
And he pokes his finger in the eye of all of our friends, all of our allies.
We make up only, we're 25%, 25% of the world's economy.
We need to be having the rest of our friends with us sending to China.
These are the rules.
You play by them or you're going to pay the price for not paying by them economically.
That's the way I will run it.
And that's what we did.
But for eight years under Obama, China was never paid the price.
Talk about North America.
There was plenty of evidence.
I haven't thought to that.
Okay.
Very quickly.
We're going to move on to the next one.
We're going to go ahead and talk about a billion and a half dollars from China to spending 10 minutes in office and being in Air Force II.
Number one.
Number two, there's a very strong email talking about your family wanting to make $10 million a year for introductions.
President Trump, my China policy, though, what are you going to do?
What specifically are you going to do to make sure that she's doing good?
You've said she's not doing that.
She's protecting billions and billions of people.
Not once that she raised her voice about.
$28 billion because she wants to go to the bottom of the state.
$28 billion to our farmers.
You want to talk about China?
It's what?
Taxpayers' money.
You know who the taxpayer is.
It's called China.
China paid $28 billion, and you know what they did to pay it, Joe?
They devalued their currency, and they also paid up.
And you know who got the money?
Our farmers, our great farmers, because they were targeted.
You never charged them anything.
Also, the stronger than it's been in years.
The Chinese stock market is at its highest since 1996 yesterday.
And now we have a steel.
Okay, Vice President Biden, your response, please.
My response is, look, this isn't about, there's a reason why he's bringing up all this malarkey.
There's a reason.
I didn't want to talk about the substantive issues.
It's not about his family and my family.
It's about your family.
And your family's hurting badly.
If you're making less than, if you're a middle-class family, you're getting hurt badly right now.
You're sitting at the kitchen table this morning deciding, well, we can't get new time.
It's a great deflect because we have to wait another month.
It's a very good deflector.
We're going to be able to pay the mortgage.
But neither of them have said what they're going to do to China.
No.
Neither.
Community college.
Correct.
They're the decisions you're making.
Wasted airtime.
We're going to be coming to China.
We should be talking about the political.
It's time, but it's semiconductors, not soybeans.
Sorry.
Trump is a good idea.
He's not focused on the right issues.
I do want to turn to 10 seconds, Mr. President.
Let's get off this China thing.
And then he looks, the family, around the table, everything.
Just a typical politician when I see that.
Not a typical politician.
That's why I got elected.
Let's get off the subject of China.
Let's soak around sitting around the table.
Come on, Joe.
You can do better.
We're going to talk about North Korea.
President Trump has met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un three times.
You've talked about your beautiful letters with him.
You've touted the fact that there hasn't been a war or a long-range missile test.
And yet North Korea recently rolled out its biggest ever intercontinental ballistic missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal.
Do you see that as a betrayal of the relationship you forged?
Just 30 seconds here because we need to get on to the next question.
So when I met with Barack Obama, we sat in the White House right at the beginning, had a great conversation.
It was supposed to be 15 minutes and it was well over an hour.
He said the biggest problem we have is North Korea.
He indicated we will be in a war with North Korea.
Guess what?
It would be a nuclear war.
And he does have plenty of nuclear capability.
In the meantime, I have a very good relationship with him.
Different kind of a guy, but he probably thinks the same thing about me.
We have a different kind of a relationship.
We have a very good relationship, and there's no war.
And you know, about two months ago, he broke into a certain area.
They said, oh, there's going to be trouble.
I said, no, they're not, because he's not going to do that.
And I was right.
Look, instead of being in a war where millions of people, Seoul, you know, is 25 miles away, millions and millions, 32 million people in Seoul.
Millions of people would be dead right now.
President Trump, that's 30 seconds.
Vice President Biden, to you, North Korea conducted four nuclear tests under the Obama administration.
Why do you think you would be able to rein in this persistent threat?
Because I'd make it clear, which we were making clear to China, they had to be part of the deal.
Because here's the rig.
I made it clear as a spokesperson for the administration when I went to China that they said, why are you moving your missile defense up so close?
Why are you moving more forces here?
Why are you continuing to do military maneuvers with South Korea?
I said, because North Korea is a problem, and we're going to continue to do it so we can control them.
We're going to make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us.
And so if you want to do something about it, step up and help.
If not, it's going to continue.
What has he done?
He's legitimized North Korea.
He's talked about his good buddy who's a thug, a thug, and he talks about how we're better off.
And they have much more capable missiles, able to reach U.S. territory much more easily than ever did before.
Let me follow up with you, Vice President Biden.
You've said you wouldn't meet with Kim Jong-un without preconditions.
Are there any conditions under which you would meet with him?
On the condition that he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity to get that the Korean Peninsula should be a nuclear-free zone.
All right, let's move on to American families.
They tried to meet with him.
He wouldn't do it.
He didn't like Obama.
He didn't like him.
He wouldn't do it.
Okay, I've got to give him a big trip.
I'm going to respond to that before we move.
And it's okay.
You know what, North Korea?
We're not in a war.
We have a good relationship.
You know, people said, having a good relationship with leaders of other countries.
We have a lot of questions to get to.
And we had a good relationship with Hitler before he, in fact, invaded Europe, the rest of Europe.
Come on.
The reason he would not meet with President Obama is because President Obama said, we're going to talk about denuclearization.
We're not going to legitimize you.
We're going to continue to put stronger and stronger sanctions on you.
That's why he wouldn't meet with us.
All right.
He left me a mess, Chris.
President Trump?
Okay, we're going to go to the next step.
They left me a mess.
North Korea was a mess.
And in fact, if you remember the first two or three months, there was a very dangerous period of my first three months before we sort of worked things out a little bit.
They left us a mess.
And Obama would be, I think, the first to say it was the single biggest problem he thought that our country.
Okay, let's move on to American families and the economy.
One of the issues that's most important to them is health care, as you both know.
Today there was a key vote on a new Supreme Court justice, Amy Coney Barrett, and health care is at the center of her confirmation fight.
Over 20 million Americans get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act.
It's headed to the Supreme Court, and your administration, Mr. President, is advocating for the court to overturn it.
If the Supreme Court does overturn that law, those 20 million Americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight.
So what would you do if those people have their health insurance taken away and you have two minutes uninterrupted?
First of all, I've already done something that nobody thought was possible.
Through the legislature, I terminated the individual mandate.
That is the worst part of Obamacare, as we call it.
The individual mandate, well, you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad health insurance.
I terminated.
It's gone.
Now it's in court because Obamacare is no good.
But then I made a decision.
Run it as well as you can to my people, great people.
Run it as well as you can.
I could have gone the other route and made everybody very unhappy.
They ran it.
Premiums are down.
Everything's down.
Here's the problem.
No matter how well you run it, it's no good.
What we'd like to do is terminate it.
We have the individual mandate done.
I don't know that it's going to work.
If we don't win, we will have to run it and we'll have Obamacare, but it'll be better run.
But it no longer is Obamacare because without the individual mandate, it's much different.
Pre-existing conditions will always say.
What I would like to do is a much better health care, much better, will always protect people with pre-existing.
So I'd like to terminate Obamacare, come up with a brand new, beautiful health care.
The Democrats will do that because there will be tremendous pressure on them, and we might have four years by that time.
We're going to win the House.
Okay, you'll see, but I think we're going to win the House.
But come up with a better health care, always protecting people with pre-existing conditions.
And one thing very important: we have 180 million people out there that have great private health care, far more than we're talking about with Obamacare.
Joe Biden is going to terminate all of those policies.
These are people that love their health care, people that have been successful, middle-income people, been successful.
They have 180 million plans, 180 million people, families.
Under what he wants to do, which will basically be socialized medicine, he won't even have a choice.
They want to terminate 180 million plans.
We have done an incredible job with health care, and we're going to do even better.
Okay, Vice President Biden, yes, this is for you.
Your plan calls for building on Obamacare.
So my question is, what is your plan?
If the law is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, you have two minutes uninterrupted.
What I'm going to do is pass Obamacare with a public option.
What I'm going to do is what it's called.
Public option is an option that says that if you, in fact, do not have the wherewithal to be, if you qualify for Medicaid and you do not have the wherewithal in your state to get Medicaid, you automatically are enrolled, providing competition for insurance companies.
That's what's going to happen.
Secondly, we're going to make sure we reduce the premiums and reduce drug prices by making sure that there's competition that doesn't exist now by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies.
Thirdly, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance, the reason why I had such a fight with 20 candidates for the nomination was I support private insurance.
That's why I didn't.
Not one single person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under Obamacare.
They did not lose their insurance unless they chose they wanted to go to something else.
Lastly, we're going to make sure we're in a situation that we actually protect pre-existing.
There's no way he can protect pre-existing conditions.
None, zero.
You can't do it in the ether.
He's been talking about this for a long time.
There is no, he's never come up with a plan.
I guess we're going to get the pre-existing condition plan the same time we get the infrastructure plan that we've been waiting since 17, 18, 19, and 20.
The fact, I still have a few more minutes.
I know you're getting anxious.
The fact is that he's already cost the American people because of his terrible handling of the COVID virus and the economic spillover.
10 million people have lost their private insurance.
And he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under Obamacare and over 110 million people with preexisting conditions.
And all the people from COVID are going to have preexisting conditions.
What are they going to do?
I have a follow-up for you, Vice President Biden.
That was his first, that was his best two minutes yet.
He's accusing you of wanting social insurance.
That was substance.
We have concerns that your health care plan, which includes a government insurance option, takes the country one step closer to a health care system run entirely by the government.
You say it's ridiculous.
It's like saying that, you know, the idea that the fact that there's a public option that people can choose, that makes it a socialist plan.
Look, the difference between the president, I think health care is not a privilege, it's a right.
Everyone should have the right to have affordable health care.
And I am very proud of my plan.
It's gotten endorsed by all the major labor unions as well as a whole range of other people who, in fact, are concerned in the medical field.
This is something that's going to save people's lives, and this is going to give people an opportunity, an opportunity to have health care for their children.
How many of you home are worried and rolling around in bed tonight wondering what in God's name you're going to do if you get sick?
I'm worried if you're sick because you've lost your home insurance, your health insurance, your company's gone under.
We have to provide health insurance for people at an affordable rate.
That's what I do.
President Trump.
Trust me, he was in the middle of the year.
You're with 47 years.
He didn't do it.
He was now there as vice president for eight years.
And it's not like it was 25 years ago.
It was three and three quarters.
It was just a little while ago, right?
Less than four years ago.
He didn't do anything.
He didn't do it.
He wants socialized medicine.
And it's not that he wants it.
His vice president.
I mean, she is more liberal than Bernie Sanders and wants it even more.
Bernie Sanders wants it.
The Democrats want it.
You're going to have socialized medicine.
Just like you went with fracking.
We're not going to have fracking.
We're going to stop fracking.
We're going to stop fracking.
Then he goes to Pennsylvania after he gets a nomination where he got very lucky to get it.
And he goes to Pennsylvania and he says, oh, we're going to have fracking.
And you never asked that question.
And by the way, so far, I respect very much the way you're handling this.
I have to say.
But somebody should ask the question.
He goes for a year.
You're giving your boy things.
Give a shout out to the bilateral community.
Let him know something about it.
We're going to get to it.
We're going to get to it.
It's the same thing with socialized medicines.
She tells us how to play with people.
You're going to wait until he's building up her confidence.
I wish we could say no.
Not the fake new care proposal.
We will provide for that affordable health care.
Lower premiums.
What we're going to do is going to cost some money.
It's going to cost over $700 to do it.
And they're going to have lower premiums you can buy into the better plan, the cheaper plans, lower your premiums, deal with unexpected billing, and have your drug prices drop significantly.
He keeps talking about it.
He hasn't done a thing for anybody on health care.
Not a thing.
Very quickly.
Then I want to talk about that.
When he says public options, he's talking about socialized medicine.
And health care.
When he talks about a public option, he's talking about destroying your Medicare totally and destroying your social security.
And this whole country will come down.
You know, Bernie Sanders tried it in his state.
He tried it at a state.
His governor was a very liberal governor.
They want to make it work.
Okay.
Let's hear Vice President Biden's response.
It doesn't matter.
Vice President Biden is very confused guy.
He thinks he's running against somebody else.
He's running against Joe Biden.
I beat all those other people because I disagreed with them.
Joe Biden is running against his idea.
That was strong.
We're in a situation that's going to destroy Medicare.
This is the guy that the actuary of Medicare said, if in fact, at Social Security, if in fact he continues to withhold his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security, Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023 with no way to make up for it.
This is the guy who's tried to cut Medicare.
So, I don't know.
I mean, the idea that Donald Trump is lecturing me on Social Security and Medicare, come on.
He tried to get rid of Medicare.
He tried to hurt Social Security years ago.
Years ago.
Go back and look at the records.
I think she wants to ask about stimulus.
She wants to talk about something in Washington, D.C. Let's get to it.
Mr. President, I have to move on to the next question.
They said the stock market if I'm elected.
If he's elected, the stock market will crash.
Okay, very quickly.
Look, the idea that the stock market is booming is his only measure of what's happening.
Where I come from in Scranton and Claymont, that people don't live off of the stock market.
Just in the last three years during this crisis, the billionaires in this country made, according to $700 billion more dollars.
$700 billion more dollars because that's his only measure.
What happens to the ordinary people out there?
What happens to them?
Let's talk about the 401k.
We're going to move on.
401ks are through the roof.
We're going to move on.
Stock are through the roof.
And he doesn't come from Scranton.
That's like one of the he lived there for a short period of time before he even knew it.
45% of Americans do not own stocks in any way, shape, or form.
55%, the majority do.
45% don't own.
45% of Americans do not own stocks.
55% is a majority.
A majority of Americans do own stocks.
And people of color.
They see Washington fighting over a relief bill.
Mr. President, why haven't you been able to get them the help they need?
30 seconds.
Because Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve it.
I do.
But you're the veteran.
I do, but I still have to get it.
Unfortunately, that's one of the reasons I think we're going to take over the House because of her.
Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve anything because she'd love to have some victories on a date called November 3rd.
Nancy Pelosi does not want to approve it.
We are ready, willing, and able to do something.
Don't forget, we've already approved three plans and it's gone through, including the Democrats, in all fairness.
This one she doesn't want.
It's near the election because she thinks it helps her politically.
I think it hurts her politically.
All right, Mr. Vice President Leonard.
No, the Republican leader in the United States Senate said he can't pass it.
He will not.
This is true.
This is all about McConnell.
It has nothing to do with conviction.
I mean, why isn't he talking to his Republican?
The White House has made the $2.2 trillion.
We made it.
Let me ask Vice President Biden a question.
You are the leader of the Democratic Party.
Why have you not pushed the Democrats to get a deal?
There you go.
Good question.
Well, I have, and they have pushed it.
They passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer.
For $3.7 trillion.
It was gigantic.
Out there.
This HEROES Act has been sitting there.
And look at what's happening.
When I was in charge of the Recovery Act with $800 billion, I was able to get $145 billion for local communities that have to balance their budgets.
The states have to balance the budgets and then have to fire firefighters, teachers, first responders, law enforcement officers, so they can keep their cities and counties running.
He will not support that.
They have not done a thing for them.
And Mr. McConnell said, let them go bankrupt.
Let them go bankrupt.
Come on.
What's the matter with you?
Ms. McConnell did say let the states go bankrupt.
Badly run high crime against Democrats.
Because the Republicans won't agree to anything with a $2.2 million.
It was a way of getting any $20 trillion price tax.
Trump said he wanted a $2 trillion.
Well, I know, but he wants to get elected.
He wants to make money from our people's pockets.
You blue them?
People that come into our country.
Well, I think he would sign it.
I think he would sign $2.10 trillion.
I'd love to help them.
No, no, that does not all over the world.
This is not Mnuchin in Pelosi.
This is not the White House in Pelosi.
This is McConnell.
This was a way of spending in the way that it was.
It had nothing to do with COVID, as per your question.
But it was really a big bailout for badly run Democrat cities and states.
If I get elected, I'm not going to.
I'm running as a proud Democrat, but I'm going to be an American president.
I don't see red states and blue states.
What I see is American United States.
And folks, every single state out there finds themselves in trouble.
They're going to start laying off, whether they're red or blue, cops, firefighters, first responders, teachers, because they have to balance their budget.
And the founders were smart.
They allowed the federal government to deficit spend to compensate for the United States of America.
I want to talk about the minimum wage, gentlemen.
Mr. Vice President, we are talking a lot about struggling small businesses and business owners these days.
Do you think this is the right time to ask them to raise the minimum wage?
You, of course, support a $15 federal minimum wage.
I do, because I think one of the things we're going to have to do is we're going to have to bail them out too.
We should be bailing them out now, those small businesses.
You've got one in six of them going under.
They're not going to be able to make it back.
They passed a package that allows us to be able to call PPP.
Money is supposed to go to help them do everything from organize how they can deal with their businesses being opened safely.
Schools, how they can make classrooms smaller, how they can hire more teachers, how they can put ventilation systems in.
They need the help.
The businesses as well as the schools need the help.
But these guys will not help them.
It's not giving them any of the money.
We are going to move on to immigration.
But I want to say that.
You said we have to help our small businesses by raising the minimum wage.
That's not helping.
I think it should be a state option.
Alabama is different than New York.
New York is different from Vermont.
Every state is different.
It should be a state option.
You said very important.
We have to help.
It's very important.
We have to help our small businesses.
How are you helping your small businesses when you're forcing wages?
What's going to happen, and what's been proven to happen, is when you do that, these small businesses fire many of their blueprints.
You said recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.
You said recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to $50 an hour.
Is that still the case?
And I would consider it to an extent.
But I really love in a second administration.
But not to a level that's going to put all these businesses out of business.
It should be a state option.
Look, in different places, I know different places.
They're all different.
Some places, $15 is not so bad.
In other places, other states.
$15 is a business.
Okay, President Trump, thank you.
Quick response, Vice President Biden.
Two jobs, one job.
Be below poverty.
People are making six, seven, eight bucks an hour.
These first responders, we all clap for as they come down the street because they've allowed us to make it.
What's happening?
They deserve a minimum wage of $15.
Anything below that puts you below the poverty level.
And there is no evidence that when you raise the minimum wage, businesses go out of business.
That is simply not true.
We're going to talk about immigration.
We're going to talk about immigration now, gentlemen, and we're going to talk about families within this context.
Mr. President, your administration separated children from their parents at the border, at least 4,000 kids.
You've since reversed your zero tolerance policy, but the United States can't locate the parents of more than 500 children.
So how will these families ever be reunited?
Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and they're brought here and they used to use them to get into our country.
We now have as strong a border as we've ever had.
We're over 400 miles of brand new wall.
You see the numbers, and we let people in, but they have to come in legally and they come in through kids with their families.
They built cages.
You know, they used to say, I built the cages.
And then they had a picture in a certain newspaper.
And it was a picture of these horrible cages.
And they said, look at these cages.
President Trump built them.
And then it was determined they were built in 2014.
That was him.
Yes, we're working on it very without the parents.
They come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs.
President Biden, let me bring you into this conversation.
Quick response and then another question to you.
These 500-plus kids came with parents.
They separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with.
They're real tough.
We're really strong.
And guess what?
They cannot, it's not coyotes didn't bring them over.
Their parents were with them.
They got separated from their parents.
And it makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.
Let me ask you a first question.
They did it.
We changed the policy.
Your response to that?
We changed it.
They built the cages.
Who built the cages?
Yes, Joe.
Let's talk about the children.
Let's talk about what we're talking about.
What happened?
Parents were ripped.
Their kids were ripped from their arms and separated.
And now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents, and those kids are alone.
Nowhere to go.
Nowhere to go.
But, Ricky, most of these families are from Central America.
Let me ask you.
Immigration to Mexico has slowed down for the past few years.
I trust you.
I know from a personal level.
Well, I know children come over alone.
I know that.
The majority of them are not coming over here with their parents.
Let me ask about your immigration policy, Mr. Bridge.
I know people who've paid the coyotes if they're here to bring their children.
Of course, it happens all the time.
That's the percentage of people come with their parents.
That's what my parents find.
That's what they got.
Of course.
My customer is already over here.
Well, they come with uncles.
You made a mistake.
He's still shit.
I've lived there.
What percentage?
It's not exactly hard to hard data.
Think about this.
Are you going to go to another country?
What about knowing where you went with your kids?
Or are you going to go there first, get stable, and then send your kids?
And that's how it works.
And that's exactly how they do it.
So to say that, oh, I'm showing up with my kids, and we all go locked up is bullshit.
It's not true.
I'm not sure if you're a good person.
They're going to be immediately certified against the business.
You don't know where you're going to live.
Even if you get across where you live.
You establish first Michael Buckingham first.
Then the kids can.
I can imagine.
You're five years old.
Your parents are taking you across the Rio Grande.
And it's illegal.
And you say, oh, no, mom, leave me here.
I'm not going to go with you.
Stop lying.
Been here.
Many of them are modeled citizens.
Over 20,000 of them are first responders out there taking care of people during this crisis.
We owe them.
We owe them.
President Stillman eight years to do what he said he wanted to do.
Yes, he did.
And I've changed without having a specific catch and release.
We got rid of a lot of horrible things that they put in and that they lived with.
But he had eight years, he was vice president.
He did nothing except build cages to keep children in.
Vice President Biden, your response.
The catch and release, you know what he's talking about there?
If, in fact, you had a family came across and they were arrested, they, in fact, were given a date to show up for their hearing.
They were released.
And guess what?
They showed up for a hearing.
This is the first president in the history of the United States of America that anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country.
That's never happened before in America.
That's never happened before in America.
You come to the United States and you make your case that I seek asylum based on the following premise: why I deserve it under American law.
They're sitting in squalor on the other side of the river.
President Trump, your response, and then we'll move on.
It just shows that he has no understanding of immigration of the laws.
Catch and release is a disaster.
It is a response.
A murderer would come in, a rapist would come in, a very bad person would come in.
We would take their name.
We have to release them into our country.
That's right.
And then you say they come back.
Less than 1% of the people come back.
We have to send ICE out and Border Patrol out to find them.
Yes, it is true, Brad.
They would say, come back in two years, three years.
We're going to give you a court case.
You need Perry Mason.
We're going to give you a court case.
When you say they come back, they don't come back, Joe.
They never come back.
Only the really, I hate to say this, but those with the lowest IQ, they might come back.
Okay, President Trump, let's give Vice President Biden a chance to respond, and then we're going to move on to the next section.
Vice President Biden, your response.
No, the law when he's telling me it was simply not true.
They don't come back.
Check it out.
Check it out.
All right.
Let's move back.
But we don't have to worry about it.
They terminated it, so we'd have to worry about it.
Let's move on to the next section.
Yeah, 525 kids not knowing where in God's name they're going to be in Lawrence.
You're going to keep giving that broad full of shit against the money.
Let's talk about our next section, which is racism.
Say we have the 1,500 kids in the world.
And I want to talk about that.
They were missing.
They were never missing.
How tall is Trump?
6'2?
Part of that experience is violently 6'8 right now.
It happens regardless of class.
He's got a bad angle.
Parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the color of their skin.
Mr. Vice President, in the next two minutes, I want you to speak directly to these families.
Do you understand why these parents care for their children?
I do.
I do.
You know, my daughter is a social worker.
You're really going to talk about this on the claim.
She's really graduating.
Trump will roast them on it.
And you know, one of the reasons why I ended up working on the east side of Wilmington, Delaware, which is 90% African American, was to learn more about what was going on.
What I didn't, I never had to tell my daughter: if she's pulled over, make sure she puts for a traffic stop, put both hands on top of the wheel, and don't reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you.
But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child when you're walking down the street.
Don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street.
Making sure that you, in fact, if you get pulled over, yes, sir, no, sir. hands on top of the wheel because you are in fact the victim whether you're a person making a child of a $300,000 per year person or someone who's on food stamps.
The fact of the matter is there is institutional racism in America.
And we have always said, we've never lived up to it.
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
All men and women are created equal.
But guess what?
We have never ever lived up to it.
But we've always constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion, not exclusion.
This is the first president to come along and says that's the end of that.
We're not going to do that anymore.
We have to provide for economic opportunity, better education, better health care, better access to schooling, better access to opportunity to borrow money to start businesses.
All the things we can do, and I've laid out a clear plan.
$100 billion to intercity.
It's about accumulating the ability to have the release program violence.
President Donald Trump criminalized it.
I have a question to you and let me remind you of the question.
I would like you to speak directly to these families.
Do you understand why these parents fear for their children?
Yes, I do.
And again, he's been in government 47 years.
He never did a thing except in 1994 when he did such harm to the black community.
And they were called, and he called them super predators.
That's right.
And he said that.
Yes, he did.
Super predators.
That's on video.
Don't lie, Biden.
And they have never lived that down.
1994, your crime bill, the super predators.
Nobody has done more for the black community than Donald Trump.
And if you look, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, nobody has done what I've done.
Criminal justice reform.
Obama and Joe didn't do it.
I don't even think they tried because they had no chance at doing it.
They might have wanted to do it, but if you had to see the arms, I had to twist to get that done.
It was not a pretty picture.
And everybody knows it, including some very liberal people that cried in my office.
They cried in the Oval Office.
Two weeks later, they're out saying, gee, we have to defeat him.
Criminal justice reform, prison reform, opportunity zones with Tim Scott, a great senator from South Carolina.
He came in with this incredible idea for opportunity zones.
It's one of the most successful programs.
People don't talk about it.
Tremendous investment is being made.
Biggest beneficiary, the black and Hispanic communities.
Absurd.
And then historically black colleges and universities.
10-year programs.
After three years of coming to the office, I love some of those guys.
They were great.
They came into the office and they said, I said, what are you doing?
After three years, I said, why do you keep coming back?
Because we have no funding.
I said, you don't have to come back every year.
We have to come back.
Because President Obama would never give them long-term funding.
And I did.
10-year long-term funding.
And I gave them more money than they asked for because they said, I think you need more.
And I said, the only bad part about this is I may never see you again.
Because I got very friendly with them.
And they like me and I like them.
But I saved it colleges and universities.
Okay, and we're going to talk about both of your response to that, Vice President.
My response to that is, I never, ever said what he accused me of saying.
You're such a liar.
The fact of the matter is, in 2000, after the crime bill had been in the law for a while, this is a guy who said, the problem with the crime bill, there's not enough people in jail.
There's not enough people in jail.
And go on my website, get the quote, the date, when he said it.
Not enough people.
He talked about marauding gangs, young gangs, and the people who were going to maraud our cities.
This is a guy who in the Central Park V, five innocent black kids, he continued to push for making sure that they got the death penalty.
None of them were, none of them were guilty of what the crime was.
No, they were accused of the people.
See, one of them put it over to America.
Talk to America.
We don't care.
Granted, he didn't.
We don't care what they did or why they wanted it.
We created them.
We need to corn them off.
I don't want them around my kids.
We didn't send that in 1994.
It's on video.
The very law he's talking about is the same thing.
But this guy didn't put it in a bill.
This other idiot did.
And secondly, we're in a situation here.
The federal government is 30 days.
He put it on the laws.
Newspaper laws, which would affect what you're doing.
There should be no minimum amount of mandatories in the law.
That's why I'm offering $20 billion to states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatory.
No one should be going to jail because they have a drug problem.
They should be going to rehabilitation.
You should have to do it.
It should fundamentally change the system.
That's what I'm going to live.
Why didn't you do that four years ago?
Even less than that white.
I am.
You, my vice president.
You keep talking about all these things you're going to do, and you're going to do this.
But you were there just a short time ago, and you guys did nothing.
You know, Joe, I ran because of you.
I ran because of Barack Obama.
You did a poor job.
If I thought you did a good job, I would have never run.
I would have never run.
I ran because of you.
I'm looking at you now.
You're a politician.
I ran because of you.
All right, Vice President Biden, in response to that, and then I do have some questions for both of you.
Well, I'll tell you what.
I hope he does look at me because what's happening here is you know who I am.
You know who he is.
No, you sure don't even know who he is.
You know his character.
You don't even know my character.
Oh, God.
I am anxious to have this race.
I am anxious to see this take place.
I am the character of the country is on the ballot.
Our character is on the ballot.
Look at his clothes.
Let me ask some followers, please respond and then we're going to have to talk about it.
If this is true about Russia, Ukraine, China, other countries, Iraq, if this is true, then he's a corrupt politician.
So don't give me the stuff about how you're this innocent baby.
Joe, they're calling you a corrupt politician.
Nobody is.
President Trump, I want to stay on the issue of race.
We're talking about Isha.
President Trump, we're talking about race right now, but I do want to stay on the issue of race.
President Trump is a good idea.
I have to respond to that.
Please.
Because look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan.
They have said that this has all the care.
Four, five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.
Nobody believes it except his and his good friend Rudy Gianni.
You mean the laptop is now another Russia-Russia-Russia hoax?
And that's exactly what this is where he's going.
The laptop is Russia right now.
Gentlemen, I want to stay on the issue of race.
You have to be kidding.
Here we go again with Russia.
We're going to continue on the issue of race.
Mr. President, you've described the Black Lives Matter movement as a symbol of hate.
You've shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters.
You've said that black professionalism.
What do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife?
Well, you have to understand.
The first time I ever heard of Black Lives Matter, they were chanting pigs in a blanket, talking about police.
Pigs.
Pigs, talking about our police.
Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon.
I said, that's a horrible thing.
And they were marching down the street.
And that was my first glimpse of Black Lives Matter.
I thought it was a terrible thing.
As far as my relationships with all people, I think I have great relationships with all people.
I am the least racist person in this room.
What do you say to Americans who are concerned by that rhetoric?
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
I got criminal justice reform done and prison reform.
I suppose opportunity zones.
I took care of black colleges and universities.
I don't know what to say.
They can say anything.
I mean, they can say anything.
It's a very, it makes me sad because I am the least racist person.
I can't even see the audience because it's so dark.
But I don't care who's in the audience.
I'm the least racist person in this room.
Vice President Biden, let me ask you very quickly and then I will.
Abraham Lincoln here is one of the greatest presidents in modern history.
He pours fuel on every single racist fire.
Every single one.
Started off his campaign coming down the escalator saying he's going to get rid of those Mexican rapists.
He's banned Muslims because they're Muslims.
He has moved around and made everything worse across the board.
He says to about the poor boys.
I got only five stage here.
He says, tell them to stand down and stand ready.
He called them the poor boys?
This guy is a dog whistleblower.
Poor boys are black in his spending, by the way.
President Trump, I'm going to give you 10 seconds to respond, and then I have a call.
You made a reference to Abraham Lincoln.
Where did that come in?
I mean, you said where did that.
No.
No.
I said, not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the black community.
And I'm saying.
I said, not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the black community.
Now, you have done nothing other than the crime bill, which put tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail.
All right.
Let me ask you a question.
Because if you look at what's happening with the voting right now, you treated them very, very badly.
Let's take a look at what's happening out there.
Vice President Biden, let me give you a chance to respond within this context.
Crime bills that you supported in the 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession.
They are sons, they are brothers, their fathers, their uncles, whose families are still to this day, some of them suffering the consequences.
So speak to those families.
Speak to vote for the family.
Doing it a good job.
She did a good job.
100%.
All 100 senators voted for it.
A bill on how to deal with drugs.
It was a mistake.
She made an announcement last night in the community.
She's not supportive of it.
I've seen her before.
I've seen her before you died in my life.
So Ricky's credit.
If the facts changes, he changes with the facts.
That's right.
Give her a chance.
She's doing good.
They should be going into treatment across the board.
That's not what you said.
That's right.
That's why I set up drug courts, which are never funded by our Republican friends.
You're going to use up all that corral in like the next few seconds.
1,800.
They should be going into the city.
Well, I haven't touched anything.
I've touched my computer.
That's what I'm going to get done because I think the American people have now seen that, in fact, it was a mistake to pass those laws relating to the drug.
But they were not in the crime bill.
But why didn't he get it done?
See, it's all talk, no action reviews policy.
Yes, exactly.
Why didn't he get it done?
That's what I'm going to do when I become president.
You were vice president along with Obama as your president, your leader, for eight years.
Why didn't you get it done?
Yet eight years to get it done.
Now you're saying you're going to get it done because you're all talking no action, Jim.
We got a lot of it done.
We released 38,000.
We got 38,000 prisoners left in the middle.
You got nothing done.
38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison.
There were over 1,000 people who were given credit.
We don't go to the police.
We have to put in the legislation saying, how they were conducting themselves.
I could go on.
We began the process.
We began the process.
We lost an election.
That's why I'm running to win back that election and change his terrible policy.
I just ask one question.
Why didn't you do it in the eight years a short time ago?
Why didn't you do it?
You just said, I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do this.
You can put it in the middle of the morning.
Tens of thousands of mostly black young men in prison.
Now you're saying you're going to undo that.
Why didn't you get it done?
You had eight years with Obama.
You know why, Joe?
Because you're all talk and no action.
All right, Vice President Biden, and then we're going to move on to the next section.
We had a Republican Congress.
I'm going to use that.
He just answered it.
We had a Republican Congress.
All right.
You've got to talk him into it.
We're going to move on to our next section.
I've got to get into criminal justice reform.
I have to talk Democrats into it.
John, he is going to eat those words when he does not talk McConnell into doing anything.
Sorry.
President Trump, you just want to put the other party into things.
That's what he's referencing.
They already agree.
President Biden, you have said you see addressing climate change as an opportunity to create new jobs for each of you.
How would you combat climate change?
It's a very tight race.
President Trump is a good idea.
Why he's motivated to do what he's doing.
So we have the Trillion Trees program.
We have so many different programs.
I do love the environment, but what I want is the cleanest, crystal clear water, the cleanest air.
We have the best, lowest number in carbon emissions, which is a big standard that I notice Obama goes with all the time.
Not Joe.
I haven't heard Joe use the term because I'm not sure he knows what it represents or means, but I have heard Obama use it.
And we have the best carbon emission numbers that we've had in 35 years under this administration.
We are working so well with industry, but here's what we can't do.
Look at China, how filthy it is.
Look at Russia.
Look at India.
It's filthy.
The air is filthy.
The Paris Accord, I took us out because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars, and we were treated very unfairly.
When they put us in there, they did us a great disservice.
They were going to take away our businesses.
I will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs, thousands and thousands of companies, because of the Paris Accord.
It was so unfair.
China doesn't kick in until 2030.
Russia goes back to a low standard.
And we kicked in right away, it would have destroyed our businesses.
So, you ready?
We have done an incredible job environmentally.
We have the cleanest air, the cleanest water, and the best carbon emission standards that we've seen in many, many years.
Vice President.
And we haven't destroyed our industries.
Vice President Biden, two minutes to you, uninterrupted.
Climate change, climate warming, global warming is the next essential threat to humanity.
We have a moral obligation to deal with it.
And we're told by all the leading scientists in the world, we don't have much time.
We're going to pass the point of no return within the next eight to ten years.
Four more years of this man, eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us to clean up the climate, to clean up, to limit the limit of emissions, will put us in a position where we're going to be in real trouble.
Here's where we have a great opportunity.
I was able to get both all the environmental organizations as well as labor, people worried about jobs, to support my climate plan.
Because what it does, it will create millions of new, good-paying jobs.
We're going to invest in, for example, 500,000,000, excuse me, 50,000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future.
In the meantime, China is doing that.
We're going to be in a position That we're going to produce an electric car.
We're going to have to get 16 billion buildings and 2 million existing homes and retrofit them so they don't leak as much energy.
The copper everything.
Yes, yes.
Oil in the product.
We have a significant number of jobs.
And by the way, the whole idea with this is whatever.
That's a one-deal thing.
Millions.
It's not exactly a long time.
It's going to cut our health and our jobs are at stake.
That's what's happening.
And right now, by the way, Wall Street firms indicated that my plan, my plan will, in fact, create 18.6 million jobs, 7 million more than his.
This is from Wall Street.
And I'll create $1 trillion more in economic growth than his proposal does.
Not on climate, just on the economy.
President Trump, you're right.
They came out and said very strongly: $6,500 will be taken away from families under his plan, that his plan is an economic disaster.
If you look at what he wants to do, you know, if you look at his plan, the environmental plan, you know who developed it?
AOC plus 3.
They know nothing about the climate.
I mean, she's got a good line of stuff, but she knows nothing about the problem.
He just conflated tax policy with climate change.
He's got a lot of new hoops for AOC plus 3.
Look, their real plan costs $100 trillion.
If we had the best year in the history of our country for 100 years, we would not even come close to a number like that.
When he says buildings, they want to take buildings down because they want to make bigger windows into smaller windows.
As far as they're concerned, if you had no window, it would be a lovely thing.
This is the craziest plan that anybody has ever seen.
And this wasn't done by smart people.
This wasn't done by anybody.
Frankly, I don't even know how it can be good politically.
They want to spend $100 trillion.
That's their real number.
He's trying to say it was six.
It's $100 trillion.
They want to knock down buildings and build new buildings with little, tiny, small windows.
I mean, and many other things.
And many other things.
Let me have the vice president response, and we're running out of time, and we have a lot more questions.
So let's hear from the vice president.
I have several more questions.
I don't know where it's going.
No, it's not.
It's 90 minutes.
100%.
So that's really two minutes left?
What does that mean?
Give me a break.
I don't know how the network works.
This is planned endorsed by every major, every major environmental group, and every labor group, labor, because they know the future lies.
The future lies in us being able to breathe.
And they know there are good jobs in getting us there.
The fastest growing industry in America is the electric, solar energy and wind.
He thinks wind causes cancer.
They're the fastest-growing jobs, and they pay good prevailing wages.
$45, $50 an hour.
We can grow and we can be cleaner if we go the route on proposal.
President Trump is a good question.
Please respond on that.
We are energy independent for the first time.
We don't need all of these countries that we have to fight war over because we needed their energy.
We are energy independent.
I know more about wind than you do.
It's extremely expensive.
That I agree with.
It kills all the birds.
It's very intermittent.
It's got a lot of problems.
You say we're not doing it.
Because of the type of oil that we produce?
We can't refine it.
We can sell it.
But we still have to import because of the type of oil that our refineries can make into gasoline.
We're talking about the type of oil.
It's about the type of oil that we produce in our country.
I love natural gas works we're exporting as well.
The gasoline in our cars we still have to import until we really run our biggest refinery capacity that we need to compete with the world.
Among others, it's all a pipe dream.
But you know what we'll do?
We're going to have the greatest economy in the world.
But if you want to kill the economy, get rid of your oil industry.
And what about fracking?
All right, let me allow Vice President Biden to respond.
Never say you're not going to oppose fracking.
You said it.
I absolutely do.
I do.
Show the tape.
Put it on your website.
Put it on the website.
The fact of the matter is.
Fill it up in 10 minutes.
Get the fracking video, guys.
Well, we need other transitions to get to oil industry.
We talked about solar.
What I will do with fracking over time is make sure that we can capture emissions from the fracking.
The best way to capture the emissions from gas.
We can do that, and we can do that by investing money and doing it.
It's a transition.
He's against fracking.
He said it, but that's what he said tomorrow.
I am against fracking until he got the nomination, went to Pennsylvania, then he said, but you know what, Pennsylvania?
He'll be against it very soon because his party is totally against it.
Fracking on federal land, I said.
No fracking or oil on federal.
Let me ask this final question in this section, and then I want to move on to our final section.
President Trump, people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants.
In Texas, there are families who worry the plants near them are making them sick.
Your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities.
Why should these families give you another four years in office?
The families that we're talking about are employed heavily and they're making a lot of money, more money than they've ever made.
If you look at the kind of numbers that we produce for Hispanic, for black, or Asian, it's nine times greater the percentage gain than it was under in three years than it was under eight years of the two of them, to put it nicely.
Nine times more.
Now, somebody lives, I have not heard the numbers or the statistics that you're saying, but they're making a tremendous amount of money economically.
We saved it, and I saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic.
We saved it.
We got, say what you want about relationship.
We got Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and Russia to cut back way back.
We saved our oil industry, and now it's very vibrant to get.
And everybody has very inexpensive gasoline remotely.
Vice President Biden, your response is going to have a final question for both of you.
My response is that those people live on what they call fence lines.
He doesn't understand this.
They live near chemical plants that, in fact, first time I've ever heard of the current chemical plants and oil tanks and refineries that pollute.
I used to live near that.
There have been quite a few things.
It's more important some of the social stuff that's going on here in the Caribbean River than there is any place, including in Houston at the time.
Why they're not doing tax plans and talking about this.
To drive me to school, turn to the windshield weapon, there'd be an oil slunk in the window.
That's why so many people are watching.
The fact is those frontline communities, it doesn't matter if you're paying them.
It matters how you keep them safe.
What do you do?
And you impose restrictions on the pollutions that's coming out of those fence line communities.
What the hell is that?
Okay, I have one final question.
Would he close down the oil industry?
It falls.
Would you close down the other way?
I would transition from the oil industry, yes.
Oh, that's a good idea.
That is a big statement.
That's a big question.
Because I would stop.
Why would you do that?
Because the oil industry saves significantly.
Here's the deal.
But it's a big step.
Well, if you let me finish the statement, because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time.
Over time.
And I'd stop giving to the oil industry.
I'd stop giving them federal subsidies.
You won't give federal subsidies to the gas, excuse me, to solar and wind.
Why are we giving it to the oil industry?
We actually do give it to solar and wind.
And that's maybe the biggest statement in terms of business.
That's the biggest statement.
Because basically what he's saying is he is going to destroy the oil industry.
Will you remember that Texas?
Remember that Pennsylvania, Oklahoma?
Vice President Biden, let me give you 10 seconds to respond and then I have to get to the final question.
Vice President Biden.
Take everything out of context.
The point of it is, look, we have to move towards.
The biggest solar ETF is trading down right now.
The first place to do that by the year 2035 is in energy production.
By 2050, totally.
All right.
No, we're finished with this.
Is she going to get China to do this to our final question?
We have to go to the next step.
I'm going to rejoin Paris Accord and abide by what they agreed to.
This is about leadership, gentlemen.
And this first question does go to you, President Trump.
Imagine this is your inauguration day.
What will you say in your address to Americans?
You don't.
You'll each have one minute, starting with you, Mr. Trump.
We have to make a country totally successful as it was prior to the plague coming in from China.
Now we're rebuilding it and we're doing record numbers, 11.4 million jobs in a short period of time, etc.
But I will tell you, go back.
Before the plague came in, just before, I was getting calls from people that were not normally people that would call me.
They wanted to get together.
We had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country.
Hispanic, women, Asian, people with diplomas, with no diplomas, MIT graduates, number one in the class.
Everybody had the best numbers.
And you know what?
The other side wanted to get together.
They wanted to unify.
Success is going to bring us together.
We are on the road to success.
But I'm cutting taxes, and he wants to raise everybody's taxes, and he wants to put new regulations on everything.
He will kill it.
If he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen.
Your 401ks will go to hell, and it'll be a very, very sad day for this country.
All right.
Vice President Biden, same question to you.
What will you say during your inaugural address to Americans who did not vote for you?
I will say, I'm an American president.
I represent all of you, whether you voted for me or against me.
And I'm going to make sure that you're represented.
I'm going to give you hope.
We're going to move.
We're going to choose science over fiction.
We're going to choose hope over fear.
We're going to choose to move forward because there are enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better.
We can grow this economy.
We can deal with the systemic racism at the same time and make sure that it is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy, creating millions of new jobs.
And that's the fact.
That's what we're going to do.
And I'm going to say, as I said at the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country.
Decency, honor, respect, treating people with dignity, making sure that everyone has an even chance.
And I'm going to make sure you get that.
You haven't been getting it the last four years.
All right.
I want to thank you both for a very robust phenomenal job to the moderator.
Honestly.
She did a great job.
Great job.
If you're on Twitter, man, I'm sending her a shout out.
I thought she was.
Important job.
Because we got to at least get to the next step.
Dude, this lady is going to be in the room tonight.
Election day is November 3rd.
Don't forget to vote.
Main anchor at MDC right there.
She's going to take over for Leonard Hole.
We're stopping up.
Yep.
Because you can't look at it.
She never got hot under the colour.
For her.
Folks, if you're watching, let me just ask the people if you're watching.
If you're watching, if you're watching, if you're watching, first of all, just for algorithm purposes, press the thumbs up, hit the subscribe button, and the notification button.
But comment below who do you think won the debate between the two and which parts were the ones that stuck out to you?
I'm asking them the question.
I'm asking us the question.
Danielle, why don't you go first?
I do think that he, that the one area where Biden shined the brightest, and I'm looking at the front page of the Wall Street Journal for tomorrow morning right now.
I'm looking at the Wall Street Journal's website, is healthcare.
No question about it.
And that was where he was, I mean, okay, he's been gone for five days, right?
So he had plenty of time to rehearse the answers, but that was where he actually came up with a cohesive plan.
And again, in the 60-minute interview and again tonight on stage, Trump does not have a plan.
And in the middle of a pandemic, you should be able to say to people, if they're insecure about health care, that you have a solid plan that's been well thought out, that's not going to bankrupt the country.
And that is, I mean, that is typically what Republicans do, right?
They come up with more efficient ways to run business.
That's their MO.
So I think in that sense, he did a very good job.
Biden, other than that, I don't think we learned much about his platform.
I don't think we learned much about the substance of where he thinks policies are going.
I mean, we'll make them pay.
I'm sorry that China hasn't paid for generations.
And how you can say that you're going to create millions and millions of jobs without being a little bit more specific and slowly put the oil industry out of business?
No, At least not from where I'm sitting in Texas.
Football score.
You're a football person, football score.
I would say that that was a low-scoring, high-defense game.
It's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 21 to 14.
Trump.
I have to say, Trump stood his ground.
Okay.
Adam.
I agree.
Number one, I kept kind of kept a tail of the tape, a little scorecard here.
Biden definitely won on health care.
Trump definitely won on the crime bill.
I will say, Trump acted for a change somewhat presidential.
Somewhat presidential.
He wasn't as childish as usual.
I think the fact that he wasn't allowed to speak over his two minutes helped him because you know that he was itching to get out there.
He only did it at overtime for like two seconds once.
And a couple times he got caught off, but not a lot.
It helped him.
Because the first time he kept overgoing, overgoing, it was not a good look.
He did try to throw in some jokes in there.
He had a funny line about a couple funny lines sort of at the end where, you know, the crowd got a little wild.
We're the crowd.
We're the crowd.
Well, obviously, the crowd's virtual here.
But there was a couple good lines that he got.
I'm giving this 1714 Trump.
Okay.
Tom?
Let me just start by saying I'm really scared for America.
I don't think we truly understand how important this election is and what is going on here.
There's a fundamental difference in just values or philosophies.
Joe Biden preys on fear and he wants to show you every single way the government can take care of you led by him.
Everything is twisted that way.
And then he looks at the camera every now and then and does his little rehearsed monologue where he thinks he's speaking to middle America.
Intelligent people can see through that.
There is such a hatred for Trump that there's a vacuum when you watch this.
People are more concerned about his rudeness to a moderator than what's going on in this country.
The word Antifa wasn't mentioned tonight.
They spent more time on the environment than Antifa, which is going on, is a big deal in major cities.
And if Joe Biden wins the election, it's going to continue to be a big deal.
So I'll give it a score of 38 to 3.
If you can get past your irrational hatred of Donald Trump, if you can get past that, if you just looked at this objectively and listened to the points of where this country's going and who's going to take it there, he dominated this debate.
It's interesting you use objectively.
You know, interesting 38 to 25.
But you need to come back at me with something substantive.
I'm saying that Trump won the debate.
I see the difference between you and I, my friend, is that I have the ability to call bullshit on both sides.
You can only call bullshit on Biden's side.
Trump buying the case is at a higher level.
He's 78 years old.
And Biden doesn't want to win the debate.
And with him mentioning the word integrity, I mean, I thought that was bad choice on him today.
Because the FBI is going to own that computer tomorrow.
When you can call bullshit on both sides, you'll have a lot of credibility, I promise.
But you know what?
These are also the same people that are saying Trump is racist.
Is he?
I mean, is there real true evidence that he is?
I don't think there is.
I haven't seen it.
You haven't seen it.
Well, then tell me what it is.
Tell me the racist.
We don't have enough time to go down Trump's racist rhetoric and dog whistles.
We don't have time for that.
But, Ricky, go ahead, sir.
38 to 3, you agree or no?
Look, one thing I will give him, he was a lot more clear this time.
As far as Biden was concerned, he was more clear on things.
And if you were voting for him, if you're his supporter, today may have a little bit more solidified it because he didn't sound incoherent.
He was engaged.
He was quick on his toes, right?
So from that point, I can see why you would want to support him if you're already his supporter.
Obviously, I'm not, right?
For many reasons, stepping back to 1993, 1994.
But as far as that's concerned, like Danielle said, as far as his plan, his health air plan, he was very accurate as far as that's concerned.
But one thing I didn't like is that everything he started was always accusing the president of something.
And if you have to start from a defensive standpoint, instead of just trying to point, try to prove your point, and you're taking 30 seconds, always, but he, And then sitting there and saying, you know, I'm going to do this, the Hispanic community obviously is a big part for me.
They said, we're going to do this and we're going to do that.
And Trump made a very good point, he made a very, very, very, very good point when he asked the question, why did you do it in eight years?
He kept saying that you had eight years to do it.
So you cannot forget that no matter how good Biden sounded today and how coherent he finally was, the fact that he was the last vice president.
And that was only three and a quarter, like three and a quarter years ago.
It wasn't something that happened 10 years ago.
Actually, Biden answered him because they didn't have Congress.
And that's exactly why the Republicans today have a Supreme Court justice, and they will have a Supreme Court justice because they do have the Senate.
So I mean, Obamacare was a one and done.
In eight years, Obama came in and passed one major piece of legislation, and then it may as well have been a lame duck presidency for the next seven years.
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
But every American blames Trump for everything as if he had the power to do everything.
And we're not doing the same thing to Biden.
So, well, I didn't have the power.
The polls are very close.
And in a lot of places, I don't know why there's this perception that Trump has hated.
If you look- No, no, no, no, no.
I'm saying that.
If you look at Florida, I mean, if you look at these swing states, critical swing states.
Critical states, yeah.
Then the polls are still running neck and neck.
No, I agree with you, but what I'm getting at is as far as accountability is concerned, right?
If the TV would have turned off, oh, it's Trump's fault.
But when it's Biden, oh, it's because he didn't have this or because he didn't have that.
It's always, it's always, I don't know, am I wrong when I say that?
There's always an excuse.
When it comes down to accountability, it's always boom, it's deflected.
But it's Trump, everything, oh, it's his fault, it's his fault, it's his fault.
If he was some dictator, they could completely control everything that's going on.
But if I had to score between both of them, you know, like, I'm, I'm just, I just don't like Biden.
I just, he engaged my people.
He engaged my people, and he deported 4 million of them.
And then I grew up around Crips and Bloods, and I went to school with Crips and Bloods and non-Biden.
And then he says, what really got to me when he lies is we released 38,000 federal prisoners.
Look, I have family in federal prison.
Okay?
Here's the reality behind things.
Unless you're moving big weight, you're not going to even touch a federal case.
So the people that he incarcerated were not federal cases.
There was a guy that had a 20 sack of weed or heroin or cocaine in his pocket, shouldn't have had it.
Those are the guys that he locked up for a long time, not federal cases.
So try to deflect the fact that you locked up by the masses.
And then, well, federally, we released them.
When you go to federal prison, you're going with lawyers, doctors, you're going with government officials that did something corrupt and very high-weight drug dealers.
You're not going with the guy that had a 20-second spunk rate.
A pound won't get you to federal prison.
And that has led to the downfall of many minority families in America.
And which...
Absolutely.
I mean, so he doesn't, you know, and LBJ, what he did, LBJ, was incentivizing father absence, and then this guy coming in and locking a lot of them up.
I'm just, you know, I'm going to go, I don't know, I'm going to go maybe 25-8 on this or whatever.
Maybe one field goal or whatever, you know, with me.
I don't know.
25-8.
I think you're thinking about the other football.
Yeah, I guess we're going to be football.
I'm just getting this.
The thing is, I don't even care.
Has there ever been a football game that ended with a team scoring 25 points?
I'm a big footballer.
That's the beauty of the internet.
I think you can find it.
You've been doing your diligence over there.
you've been keeping score and are you've been keeping uh first of all you know what i love about the current group that we have is your center right your center left you're where you are I'm center-right, say middle to center-right is where I'm at.
I think this is great because the audience that's watching is, you want to see this.
It's not everybody on one side or everybody on the other side.
You call out Trump one minute, next minute you're calling out Biden.
You know, Adam will only call out Trump, but for the most part, you know, but here's the thing.
So here's where I got.
Here's what I got.
Let me tell you what happened here.
Because I did all bullshit before.
This is a couple things I got.
One, lines that were very good.
Trump.
We can't lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe has.
Sorry.
We can't lock ourselves up in the basement like Joe has.
Okay, that was the moment he said that, that's hilarious.
He's been using it.
It's not my fault that the virus came here.
It's also not Biden's fault.
It's phenomenal because we've not seen one moment.
That was a moment of grace.
No question about it.
We've not seen one moment where it's been kind of like humility.
I loved seeing it.
I thought it was great that he said that.
And it probably brought some side where people said, well, maybe he's got that kind of a side to him that we don't know about.
Then there was another one that said they paid you a lot of money and they probably still are.
Trump said that I guarantee if I spent a million dollars on you, I would find out a ton on you if I spent a million on you.
Look how much they spent $35 million on me and they found nothing on me with Russia.
If I spend a million on you, I'll find out a lot.
I think that's a very powerful one.
The other one is when Biden said he thinks he's running against another guy.
This is Joe Biden.
I'm here because I beat all those other guys.
I love that line.
The fact that he said that, I think that's a very powerful moment.
You confuse me with Biden.
You confuse me with Bernie, meaning that's what he said.
That was his phenomenal.
Exactly.
It wasn't canned.
I agree with you.
And then the one with me on Trump that got me, like, you know how you feel statement and funeral.
When Joe said that, I felt it.
I'm going to tell you which one it was.
No, I don't want.
I want to say it.
Let me explain to you why.
I started a business because of a guy.
Yep.
You say two words to me.
I said, I'm going to start a business and I'm going to whoop your ass just because of your words.
When he said, I ran because of you, oh my gosh.
I ran because of you, Joe, because of what you did.
I had a great life, but I ran because of you.
Are you kidding me?
That's a lot of weight behind that statement.
And then he says, then when they brought, I think this one's going to get him in trouble when Biden says, you know, it's also the laptop is another Russia.
And then Trump says, wait a minute, the laptop's another Russia?
Really, this is a new one.
The laptop's another Russia.
He's going to run with that one.
And then the whole thing with, why couldn't you get it done if you had all these years?
But the conversation, Trump got what he wanted to get out of it.
Trump said, here's the one thing that Biden can't hold him, can't control himself with.
Biden doesn't have to answer three things.
He answered it.
He should have never answered it.
It was over.
It moved on.
Okay?
Like when he says, tell me what you're going to do with oil, but tell me what you're going to do with oil.
You're going to do this?
This is a big thing.
By the way, just so everybody knows, Texas, Pennsylvania, pay very close intention.
I hope you caught what he said.
Here's what he's going to do because he needs Texas.
He needs Pennsylvania.
That was a big point that he had there.
And you know, Trump's going to know how to run with that.
I think to me, Trump schooled him, if you ask me.
I mean, obviously, the score isn't like a shellacan.
It's a 28 to 14 score that I got.
He beat him by two touchdowns.
But I think Trump did exactly.
You know, when you're debating somebody, like, there wasn't a moment where Biden pulled him in, and then he got him to say what he wanted him to say.
I don't know if that makes sense.
He pulled, Biden never did that, but he pulled him in.
And Pence did it as well in his debate, if you remember that.
Pence did the same thing as well.
So are you going to pack the courts?
Also, is it fair to say he still has that?
Are you going to pack the courts?
Oh, let me talk about Pecor back in the court.
How about we talk about that out of all the judges that you have, not one of them is African-American, which is not true.
But Pence needed that, and he got it.
I don't think Biden didn't play any flea flickers.
I think Trump did and he got him.
28 to 14, Trump wins this one.
Well, we'll know within like 48 hours because it's just like the last debate.
We'll be able to see who raises money and see who raises money fast.
Yeah, but there's more to the story of what's going to happen tomorrow.
I mean, people might not be talking about the debate as much.
Yeah, you know, because that was like a regular debate.
I'm not a thing that Biden being taking the week off didn't help him.
I really don't.
I think you can try to rehearse or get yourself prepared for a debate.
You got to be able to think on your feet.
And I think with Trump doing, talking to the media every single day, doing these rallies, he's used to responding quickly, which is what you have to do, and you've got to capture the moment.
And Trump was able to do that.
Plus, he showed that he's coachable, that he can reel himself in.
If he had been off the grid tonight, he wouldn't have helped himself at all.
But at least he reigned it in and he came across as much more presidential.
At one point, I thought he was going to turn purple, but yes.
There's no doubt in my mind that Trump won this debate.
And this is someone who is not a fan of Trump, and I'm able to call both sides like I see it.
There's no doubt that he won this debate.
But like we're using sports analogies, we're using football analogies.
All Biden has to do was not turn over to the football.
He's looking to run out the clock.
He's ahead in a lot of the swing stage.
That's a bad way of thinking about it.
Which Pat, as always says, is a bad way to think about it.
But Biden wasn't taking any crazy shots.
He wasn't trying to get into crazy arguments.
You can't get it.
That's a political fall.
Sure.
Listen, again, I think Trump's won, but Biden wasn't trying to get too crazy tonight.
So think about it this way, okay?
I'm with Bill O'Reilly.
We're on a flight together, okay?
So happens we're going to Vegas because I'm going to watch him when he was doing the whole thing with him and Dennis.
Remember when him and Stewart were doing things?
They did that.
Really cool.
I love the reaction.
That was freaking phenomenal, man.
When those guys were doing it, John Stewart.
John Stewart thing.
But he was doing this one in Vegas with Miller.
So I went to watch him and Miller, and I wanted to watch him and Stewart.
Phenomenal.
Whenever you get these types of things happening, you got to go to it.
And I said, so what happened with Romney and Obama?
He says, I got to tell you.
He says, I called both of them.
And I said, President Obama, you know, I was telling, he's got to get on.
He's got to do one last interview because Romney's got this one.
Romney's got this one.
Romney's got this one.
He says, President Obama's campaign manager told me one thing.
When we were on the phone, he says, Bill, this is where you're wrong.
Obama's already won this.
And Bill says, what do you mean?
He says, Romney had a chance to beat Obama.
He made one big mistake.
What's that?
His campaign manager told him that you don't have the single woman vote.
Don't go too strong against Obama and Benghazi.
Don't do it.
Women don't like it.
What does Romney do?
Never brings up Benghazi on the last debate.
What was Romney's best debate?
Not the last one.
It was the one prior to that.
What ends up happening?
Romney needs it.
Romney thinks he's got it.
But Obama didn't need it.
And he was right.
Obama won it, right?
Because he had momentum.
And don't forget what Sandy Hook did to Obama.
Sandy Hook, Chris Christie, that whole thing, you know, all that stuff that was taking place.
Hurricane Sandy.
Yeah, Hurricane Sandy.
My apologies.
Hurricane Sandy.
So don't forget that timing on what happened there, right?
Okay.
When Christie came out and greeted him in the house.
For you to think like, oh, we got it.
Oh, brother, Andy Grove said only the paranoid survive.
And I'm telling you right now, Democrats are not paranoid.
Trump looks paranoid, so he's going next, next, next camp, next one, next one, next one.
Reagan was running years ago, and he thought he had.
It's like, oh, America loves me.
There's no way the other guy's going to win.
Finally, Bush comes up and says, listen, you've got to go out there campaigning.
And he was older.
You got to go out there campaigning.
You don't have this one locked in.
The other one's getting momentum.
Then he went in.
Trump is the most paranoid candidate we've ever had.
I don't think there's been a president more paranoid than him.
And it taps like this.
So it's better.
He's a big man and a competitor.
In the calculus you're describing, if Biden is to come up short by just a little bit, then his campaign can look back on these five missed days.
But you know what?
I don't think it's going to be, someone's going to win big because someone's going to dominate these swing states and it's going to tip it.
And I don't see it being close.
What do you mean by dominate the swing states?
I think if someone wins one of these swing states, they're going to win them all.
I think maybe we don't know who it is.
We don't know what the polling is.
But whoever wins, I don't think the election will be close.
This feels like it's a lot.
This feels like Gore Bush.
This feels like Florida is really important right now.
It really does.
I'm not saying Florida isn't important, but I'm saying I'm lumping a lot of these swing states together.
If whatever tipped Florida is going to tip Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
And I just, I think that there's going to be a bigger margin of victory for whoever ends up winning this.
Biden's camp's too cocky to me.
You can't win like that.
You can't go in a fight being too cocky.
How many times have you seen a champion go into a boxing match or somebody goes in being too cocky?
What happens to them?
Oh, there's no way in the world.
Buster Douglas beating me out, Mike Tyson.
Boom.
What the hell just happened and from there this is what they're going in Democrats See, Obama wasn't like this.
If you think about Obama, Obama wasn't like this.
Obama, if you ever watch Obama's debates, it's unbelievable.
Because Obama knew how to do, like that one thing Trump did today, I've never seen him do before.
I've never seen him do that before.
He says, this is not my fault.
Neither is it Joe's fault.
This is China's fault.
So you can't respond to it.
By the way, that's Obama's strength.
That is Obama's strength.
Obama, when he gave his DNC talk, he gave the talk, he says, this is not about red.
This is not about blue.
This is not about purple.
Military matters.
This matters.
LGBTQ.
Christians matter.
Church community.
So the way he was able to bring them together.
And Obama was paranoid when he was campaigning.
Hillary was not paranoid.
Hillary was, I am Hillary.
Do you realize who I am?
I'm guaranteed locked in to be a president.
And these campaign people behind closed doors have convinced him that he's locked in.
And he's not.
He's not locked in.
I don't think that's necessarily what's driving his campaign.
What do you think is driving his campaign?
Well, I think there's a different kind of paranoia driving his campaign.
I think they don't want him to mess up.
Yeah, but you can't win like that.
I'm just saying, I don't think it's bravado.
I think there's a fear factor.
That's a terrible strategy because you can't win like that.
But let's see what happens these next few days.
I mean, look, if all five of us agree that Trump won this debate, then it's time for the Biden campaign to get hopping.
I heard a theory not too long ago.
I want to get your guys' input on it because I really don't know what to think about it.
Sounds interesting.
That, you know, Biden is 78 years old.
By the time he leaves office, he'd be 82.
Making him one of the oldest presidents we've ever had.
The oldest.
If not the oldest.
The oldest.
Yeah, but the oldest.
Because Trump was the oldest when he got elected.
He's 70.
Right.
Biden will be 77, but turned 78.
Yeah, he's 77.
So here's the interesting.
They said, Kamala Harris would be vice president.
What they'll do is that they'll input the 25th, right?
Make it to where Biden is no longer fit to be president and come on a ticket as president.
Oh, that's a done deal.
Have you heard that before?
I've never heard that.
That's the first time I heard it.
Oh, I believe it.
What do you expect?
Because that's why Pelosi brought it up.
But I think that that is the most powerful message that the GOP can deliver right now is just what you described.
For the people that don't understand at least the fear factor that the Republican Party is using right now against Biden is you're not voting for him, you're voting for her.
And that's why Jamie Dimon, the head of J.P. Morgan Chase, large benefactors who are fairly centrist, who are for Biden, have said, oh, no, it's going to be all about his cabinet.
It's going to be all about the people he puts around him, which, you know, in Reagan's second term, that was what it was.
I mean, Reagan had to have his people around him because towards the end of his second term, he was senile.
But that is kind of, that is where, that's where the Democratic Party wants to lean the narrative is, no, no, he's going to surround himself by other centrists like him.
It's not going to be AOC.
It's not going to be Kamala.
But the Republicans need to continue to push this because the thing that...
Do you believe it?
That's my question.
Do you believe it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Do you know why I don't know?
Because when rumors hit Twitter this afternoon that Bernie Sanders might be his labor secretary, that's not exactly what Jamie Dimon was talking about with trying to name people who would be considered to be and perceived to be centrist.
I'm sorry, but Bernie does not fit that bill.
No.
You know, it's funny because wasn't the FBI like a huge part of the story in 2016 right near the very, very end?
Well, the FBI is a pretty big piece of it right now.
It's a huge story starting tomorrow.
I got a question for Danielle.
Danielle, these numbers right here, Kai, can the audience see this or are we the only ones that can see this?
If you can share this so the audience can see this, I want them to see it.
So this is the tax plan comparing Biden's against Trump's.
Trump 21%, Biden 28%.
This is the worst, worst case it can be.
And it's the one on the bottom that Trump is focusing on and saying that the stock market's going to crash.
So out of the four you're looking at, income tax and payroll, it's going to go to 37.
Biden's 52.
Small business tax, 29,639,6.
Capital gains 238, 43.4.
Pull up the 50 cent thing that he did on New York Post.
He said 62.6% in the state of New York, no, California, and then 60% in New York.
And then 50 cent comes out saying, I don't want to be known as 20 cent under Biden's tax plan.
He says, I don't care about Trump.
I just don't want to pay the taxes.
So when you look at these taxes, go back to the numbers so everybody can take a look at it.
When you go back to these taxes, matter of fact, make that bigger, make us smaller.
Make that bigger, make us smaller.
What's going to hurt the economy the most out of these four?
Immediately the capital gains tax.
Why is that?
Well, if people, if there's a certain Biden victory in 2020, then people who are sitting on a ton of gains in their stock holdings, they're going to take those gains off the table.
They're going to take a much lower capital gains hit than they will if they wait until 2021.
That's the biggest risk right now to the stock market.
Unpack that again.
I'm going to pay a lower tax rate today, this year, which means, hi, we've only got a few weeks left of this year, effectively, versus taking the risk that they pass that capital gains tax hike quickly, such that I would lose, what, 20 percentage points of my gains?
Wow.
That's a lot.
So you're saying a lot of people are going to sell and get a lot of money.
That's the immediate risk is that investors are sitting on such huge gains.
And also you said if they pass this before he's even inaugurated, you're going to get hammered.
Because they're not going to take a chance.
No, Taxes aren't going to go up.
If Biden wins, nothing happens in Lame Duck.
Nada.
No, no, Tim Out.
You just said people are going to dump it within weeks.
That's going to affect the stock market in 2020.
Yeah, in 2020.
Right, because people aren't going to wait and see if it passes or not.
That's what I'm saying.
But it's not going to recover in 2021.
It's not like it's going to come back up in 2021.
Well, it's the most overvalued it's been in the history of the country, so no, it's not.
Yeah.
So there are other economic factors like 23 million Americans collecting unemployment benefits that are dragging the economy down all by itself.
So that's number one.
How does this affect?
So, for example, I have the answer for myself, but I want to hear from you, somebody that's in this space.
You're right.
billionaires subscribe to quote if you've not uh uh you know we put a link to below to what she does in the comment section if people want to know what she really does on how much you're i'll call daniel we'll talk We'll be talking to Pat.
I'm writing all day today.
Can we talk Thursday?
And we'll get on the phone.
We'll talk the next time.
I know the days for us to talk is Thursday because she's working nonstop writing.
But for me, I want you to kind of explain this from the standpoint of, I'm the small business owner.
How does this affect me?
I'm an average guy.
I don't run a business.
I make $55,000 a year.
How does that affect me?
I'm an independent contractor making $300,000 a year.
How does this affect me?
Give us a question.
Well, you're going to look, if your take-home profits go back up to the prior peak rate, 39.6 is what it was prior to the Trump tax bill.
If you know that, then you're going to be more reticent about expanding your workforce to the same extent.
You're not going to make the same investment you might otherwise because you're going to look at the profit picture and you're going to look at the math of profits differently given what you know you can take home from that.
So it's going to make you a potentially more conservative small business owner, which is the last thing we need at this juncture with so many small businesses that have already been lost.
So Danielle, question for you.
Because you said you were not sure who you're voting for.
I'm still not.
Seeing something like this, this doesn't sway you to want to vote more towards Trump?
And why not?
Well, then it comes down to an existential question, right?
Then it comes down to why you would vote for one person over the other, whether or not you were doing something that was bigger for your country.
And that is, I think, where the people who are undecided, why they're undecided.
I was out to dinner with some friends a few nights ago, this lovely open-air West Village, blah, blah, blah, area here in Dallas.
And he said, I've voted Republican my entire life, and I know that I'm going to be paying higher taxes, and yet I think it's the right thing to do to vote against Trump.
And so I think that that is where some people have their thinking because they view Trump as being a divisive president rather than being a uniting president again.
Is he divisive?
Okay.
So here's a question.
I mean, he was asked about The governor of Michigan, and he said, you know, they're chanting, lock her up.
And he's like, no, lock them all up.
So, I mean, you have to be more like tonight.
You have to be more like that Trump, more presidential.
Yes, more tech for me.
So, would you please repeat that and unpack that?
Because I was picking up a spill.
You said the guy was a lifelong Republican.
Lifelong Republican.
He'd always voted for the Republican Party his entire life.
He knew that it was going to cost him money in higher taxes because of the type of company that he has.
So he knew he's in real estate, but he knew that he was going to be paying higher taxes under Biden, but yet he felt that it was the right thing to do for the country.
I cannot wrap my arms around that thought.
That is unbelievable that he would say that.
And then you couple coronavirus, right?
So if Biden is shut down, we have riots in our streets, and we have a lot of people who connect very quick dots to it to the fires in the streets.
The Lincoln Project.
You've heard of this.
Lincoln Project.
Very powerful.
Basically, all former national security, all Republicans, all Republicans.
They're former Republican campaign advisors.
They're former campaign advisors.
Staunch national security, staunch John GOP.
They've come out.
There's hundreds of them.
How many?
Who have all come out and said, I can't support this person.
I had a conversation with a person on the DNC.
He's a major fundraiser and he makes a buku a lot of money.
And I was like, dude, you make a lot of money.
Tell me how you justify voting Democrat when you know that it's going to increase your taxes.
He said, kind of like Danielle said, it's bigger than my mom.
It's bigger than me.
It's bigger than me.
And that is what's going on.
And I'm also calling him out.
I'm like, what do you mean?
What do you mean by the way?
What's the bigger?
This is what I want to know.
Okay.
It's bigger.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Explain to me.
What's the bigger?
I assume they want to care about the country benefiting over.
Higher taxes.
Higher taxes.
Solution with China.
Obviously.
Selling yourself to China.
Having your son selling us to the business.
I think it's simpler than that.
I think it's what's on the evening news.
Okay, that's what I'm talking about.
So it's not bigger.
People just assume it's bigger.
Well, it is.
Look.
It's not bigger.
But wait, where she went.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Where she went.
Why have gun sales in America tripled since the coronavirus?
I know our household has more because we are scared of the narratives the Democrats keep pushing.
But I speak to my friends on the East Coast in New York, in New York City.
These are die-hard liberals, and they're gunning up.
And I'm like, good God, you're going to shoot your foot off.
I mean, I get it here.
I get it here.
The whole country is getting armed up.
I've been in Beverly Hills.
I've seen the riots.
I've seen the stuff going on.
I mean, the reason people are buying guns.
I've never owned a gun in my life ever.
I'm going to get a gun.
I am going to get a gun.
I live in L.A.
I mean, and it's not the stuff I see and what's going on for real.
The stuff they need to talk about on the debate today.
Very, very important what she said, because we were having a conversation today.
And he says, Pat, if the taxes, Adam's asking me when I landed back from, I was at Jekyll Island last four days.
I had a whole meeting there.
Anyways, so he's like, Pat, how about all these tax stuff?
You know, if that's the case, why are all these Silicon Valley people voting for the left?
Okay.
Why are all these billion?
And then we addressed that one.
Why is Wall Street?
Why is Wall Street voting for the left?
And Wall Street has that.
We don't know that they are.
We don't know exactly how they vote.
So he's asking a question.
But you said something.
You said something right now.
And then you said, and he says, well, how about this?
How about collusion?
How about raising taxes?
How about your son business?
And he went off, right?
And you said, I don't think it's that complicated.
I think it's as simple as what's being said on the news.
No, no, no.
Not what's being said.
You can have it on mute with what you're seeing on the news, with the fires in the streets.
I think that that says more than anything else.
It's like pictures.
It's manipulation.
That's what it's nation.
It's not speaking necessarily the truth.
That's manipulation.
Because I don't really watch news.
I don't watch that news.
I don't watch the evening news.
I don't watch the network.
My issue, Danielle, is this.
Adam said he talked to his buddy at the DNC and he says it's bigger.
What's bigger?
The lies?
So you've got to go and put somebody that's going to make everybody happy so that you stop the riots?
That's not bigger.
That's you saying, I'm scared.
I don't know how to defend my country.
And I'm just going to sit here and cry about it.
And I'm just going to put somebody that's going to give us peace, but it's literally going to ruin the country.
So it's not bigger.
That's if there's a blue sweep.
I don't know if it's a blue sweep.
If it's not a blue sweep, then the legislation doesn't get to the point.
I'm going to make this super freaking simple.
Beyond simple, okay?
Why are half the country for Trump?
And why is half the country against Trump?
Naiveness.
Super simple.
It's not naivete.
I'm letting you know, if you're willing to listen, half the country loves Trump because he's an asshole.
Because he shakes things up.
No.
No.
Because he'll call bullshit.
Because he'll call out China.
And the other half of the country hates him because he's an asshole.
It's just that simple.
No.
It is.
No, it isn't.
So why is the country 50-50, Tom?
Because in your world, everyone, we should all love Trump.
He won 38-3.
Oh, my God, he's the best thing ever.
But tell me why 50-50.
Because I think there's some people that look at stuff like this, that look at stuff is happening in the country.
You guys, like, you want to vote for Trump.
You just won't let yourself.
No, I don't.
All the data, all the criteria lines up for you to vote.
You like money.
You like making money.
You like keeping your money.
You like safety.
You like going out.
If Biden is the president, say goodbye to your nightclubs.
Say goodbye to your people.
You parted like a fucking rock star under Obama.
So all of a sudden it's going to be a lot of fun.
There's coronavirus here when Obama.
It's not going to happen.
Are you equating Biden to Obama?
I mean, it's Obama light.
No, no, no.
Coronavirus plus Biden means no fun.
This country's done.
Shut down.
It's over.
So what happens to our country?
It's going to be a slow, slow fall off a cliff.
So where are you moving?
I haven't decided yet.
You're moving somewhere.
Oh, the new size.
Since I'm out.
So you're out of America.
I encourage you to stay in America.
The only reason California is not falling into the Pacific Ocean is because so many people are leaving.
So it's releasing the weight off of the actual landmass.
I was talking to somebody today.
And I said, which is true, okay?
This is a fact.
I said, listen, Trump lowered his unemployment for Hispanics and blacks, lowest in history.
But it's only by a certain percentage.
Also, now you're going to marginalize wins.
So 44 other presidents have never done it, but this man did.
Oh, but it's only by a little bit.
So people's reasoning for voting for Biden, when you literally sit there and look at the policies, look at his history, look at what he's done, when you look at it and you realize that Trump is beating his ass in every pretty much every other president of Ronald Reagan in the past 44 presidents, you have to start to rationalize why you're voting for a certain person.
Because if you look at the policies and then you look at the reality and you look at everything overall, Trump is the best choice over Biden.
It depends on the policy, though.
It depends on what the majority of the policies are.
If you're a Gen Zer and your number one priority is climate change, and you have a candidate who basically thinks it's home.
So which policy with Trump do you like the least?
Which policy do I like with Trump?
Let me get on with that.
Which one do you like the least?
Look, here's one that I think with Biden.
I would have thought about it right off the bat.
I can tell you what my opinion is.
I can tell you right now, I don't like for the president to make the military in this country feel compromised.
And that is why Mattis came out publicly.
And said what?
See, I disagree.
You think he's making the military.
You don't think he has full support of the military?
I do.
I think the negativity.
There's so many generals that have come out there saying, General Stanley McChrystal, a major army veteran, just came out and said, there's no way I can vote for this person.
He's dishonest.
He's a part of Obama guy.
McChrystal is an Obama guy.
McCrissa's a lifelong.
The gentleman we just had, General Mattis, that's a different story.
And Mattis is not.
General Kelly.
I didn't know that.
General John Kelly, his chief of staff, just came out two weeks ago and said, this is the worst person I've ever been around.
There were some more personal things between those two.
It wasn't a black and white situation.
No, Mattis was interviewed right before the coronavirus and said, as long as he's a sitting president, I will not say one negative word about Trump.
You cannot ask me again.
He said to us when we interviewed him as well.
Because maybe Trump disrespected him behind closed doors.
That's never happened again.
It wasn't that.
He said in his op-ed exactly why he'd come out against Trump.
First of all, Danielle, here's that's a complete different conversation to me.
Completely different conversation.
Mattis married the military.
True.
Mattis was in love with a girl and he decided to say, I'm never going to get married because my wife is the military.
Mattis has got a show on HBO's three episodes, four episodes, where you watch this episode.
By the time you're done, you're thinking this is like General Patton, Napoleon, and all these guys combine in one human being, and you just enjoy watching this.
And God bless America.
I'm all for Mattis.
I'm Team Mattis.
I'm 100% Team Mattis.
100%.
But sometimes when you got these two bad mofo alpha guys, there is no way Mattis can report to anybody titled.
Did either, I mean, add it up.
Is it seven or eight deferments between the two candidates?
What do you mean?
Military deferments to not serve the country.
You added it between those two guys.
Who was willing to die for America?
Neither of them.
Neither of us.
So you're more confident that Biden's going to do more for the military than Trump?
No, I did not say that.
You said what bothers you the most.
That has nothing to do with how I feel about Biden and our military.
About a policy?
What policy of Biden do you love the most, and what policy of Trump did?
That's an easy answer.
It's the headline on the newspaper right now: healthcare.
Well, healthcare is your number one.
Trump has been saying.
For the last three months I've talked to you, you've never brought up healthcare.
Well, we talked about it tonight.
It was the number one issue.
For you, your number one reason why you're not going to do Trump is healthcare.
Listen, never brought it up before.
It just happened now.
Wasn't it not a big factor?
Wait, it just happened now?
It just happened now.
So the point he's making, he's right with you.
I fully understand what you're saying, Danielle.
I agree with you.
Because where you're coming from, I'm a Mattis guy.
I'm the guy that says, you got to listen to a Mattis.
Here's a guy that what are you doing not listening to a guy like Mattis?
Are you kidding me?
Everybody in the military respect.
I'm an Army guy.
He's a Marine guy.
I salute to him.
We spoke the first time.
I said, we look up.
We brought him to the company to speak, and we had a Marine interview him.
And he's not a Trump guy.
So we're very comfortable doing something like that.
But the question he asked is: if somebody who's in the middle, you said what it looks like on TV, I do agree, which a big part of voting is what people are seeing on TV.
And I sometimes wonder, and I said.
Or social media, whatever.
If we took out right now social media, okay?
Gosh.
It is 1964.
First debate that was Nixon Kennedy, okay, on TV.
You know which one I'm talking about.
I don't know what the year is.
The sweat.
The sweat, right?
The sweat.
If we have no TV, if we have the first TV we have, but not as crazy, like you know, the way the media is manipulating today was when Walter Cronkite saw more people were.
If we don't have that, these two faced off with each other, and the principles they're both selling based on what America was founded on, there is no all the other stuff that we have going on.
Who would be crushing the other one based on the policies that they have?
It wouldn't even be close.
Based on the first debate, it would definitely be close.
Based on tonight's debate, it would have been Trump.
Yeah, it's not even close.
And I'm not even talking about personalities.
I'm purely talking policies.
Trump's personality.
There's a book I read called Barbarians to Bureaucrats.
He says, in every great company and society and organization, there's what?
There's a dreamer.
Yeah.
There's a prophet.
No, no, there's a.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
What's the there's a no, he says, there's a dreamer, there's an engineer, and there's a son of a bitch, right?
Yes, you have to have a son of a bitch.
You've got to have it.
And that guy is an absolute qualified son of a bitch.
And people like that sometimes.
But the president doesn't have to be the son of a bitter.
I actually don't mind it.
I don't mind it.
Listen, I do not mind it.
Especially when you deal with tough issues, man.
You know, a guy who's a Democrat, I was watching his video today.
He gave a message, 1.2 million views in like two days.
And he says, I'm not a Trump guy.
He says, you guys got to realize, I didn't vote for Trump the first time around.
He says, but I got to tell you, he says, in any other season, Trump would be a terrible president, a terrible candidate, a terrible person to run America.
He says, well, for today, he is the perfect person for America today.
A sitting Democrat?
Yeah, you should have.
Why was he?
He said, because today there are so many people that are trying to leech and take stuff from America because America's been able to give up side deals to China for decades and decades and decades.
And America's the one that's allowed China to go from a top 20 to top 10 to a top five to not competing number two, fighting for first place.
He says the only person that can go against somebody like that is only a guy like that.
Nobody else can pull it off.
Right, and he's the only guy that's not going to be able to do it.
In China today.
So I don't know if he's right or not, but that part of it for me.
And what makes us weaker than not standing up to China that Trump has done?
Signing in socialism like being an agreement, going on national television yesterday morning and saying that Nancy's bill wasn't big enough.
I'm sorry, but I don't disagree with you there.
We're on the same side.
But again, if he continues to run up our national debt to the extent that he is, that makes us extreme.
That makes us more vulnerable than any rhetorical war with China.
He needs to focus on our national debt and on semiconductors, not soybeans.
He needs to understand that the Chinese have already moved on to the next step.
He can't do it, though.
He can't do that.
Danielle, he can't do that.
The leader of our country has to do that.
You and I are not going to agree with them.
You and I are not going to agree with them.
Here's how the situation works.
Here's how this thing works.
Okay?
First, let's create a massive crisis.
What's a massive crisis?
Let's shut down every state.
Let's shut them down.
Okay?
Let's force Trump to do a lot of cases.
Shit, okay, we'll do a lot of cases.
Let's get everybody tested.
Then Trump does testing.
We have a million cases.
You just told me to do cases.
I listened to you.
Million cases.
Yeah, cases, but it's not 3%, 5% people dying.
It's 1%.
And even if you go deeper, it's 0.1% because the people that are not getting it, it's not the 3% to 5% you were saying.
But they are the same puppet masters controlling the entire world.
But here's what happened.
So he doesn't have control to get all these governors that are shutting down their states.
He can't go and say you can't do that.
They're shutting down their states.
They're begging for something to happen.
Then their purpose is strategy.
Think about it.
Let me go to the strategy and tell me I'm wrong.
Here's what he's not going to do.
What's he not going to do?
We're going to say, these people are struggling.
How dare you not pass a stimulus?
He's not going to say yes to it.
Because remember what he said under Obama.
Then they come up with a stimulus.
He said yes.
Then they're like, oh, shit.
Everybody starts making money.
Everybody's happy again.
The economy is okay.
It's doing a little bit better.
10.4 million jobs back, 11 million jobs back.
Say it again.
He won't do it a second time.
He did it again.
So he played their game against them.
He played their game against them.
And has he created any jobs with all of the money that our country is spending?
Are we repairing our bridges?
Are we repairing our tunnels?
Unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, he did not have an alternative, my opinion.
Unfortunately, Danielle, in a situation like that, I am so with you on the stimulus.
I'm the guy that was waiting.
I sat in the meeting with David Herzog, the CFO of AIG, with Bob Ben Moshe, one of the greatest presidents in the history of business that saved AIG.
He took $183 billion from the government, gave it back with $21 billion, and then he died three years later from cancer.
He was on steroids the entire time.
Till today, GM never paid it back.
I'm all about some of these big guys going out of business.
I fully get it.
If you're not responsible with the money, that's not.
That's true.
Capitalism.
I fully am with it.
I'm on the same page with you.
And yet he's barking like a seal at what the Federal Reserve is doing and printing money and keeping all the biggest companies in business.
If he doesn't do it, say he doesn't do it.
Okay, let's just say he doesn't do it.
Let's go there.
Actually go there for a second.
Let's say he can't control the shutdown.
Media and the governors are saying we're going to shut down.
Let's say he doesn't do stimulus.
You take me there.
He doesn't do stimulus.
What did he just say up on the stage?
He just said to Biden, sometimes you got to talk him into it.
Right?
McConnell's people can push through the extension of the PPP.
Why can't he talk his GOP?
Sometimes you got to talk him into it, into extending the small business relief program, that the money's sitting there.
He doesn't have Congress.
He doesn't have Congress, Danielle.
But he just said he did.
He said sometimes you have to talk him into it.
What I'm saying to you is, actually, let's go there.
Please go with me, okay?
It is May.
Do you remember me?
He's not going to do stimulus.
He's not going to stimulate.
And I'm sitting around right here.
Okay?
And when I walk my dogs, Danielle, when I walk my dogs, I never carry a gun.
Right before the stimulus happened, and the economy was in shambles, and people were firing people left and right, and it was very ugly.
Remember, there was a moment in May it was very scary.
I walked my dogs with a gun in my hand when I'm walking around.
I walked it with my hand.
I hear right now.
I had my gun right then.
When I was sleeping, I was ready.
If somebody comes to my house, I'm ready.
The reason why I went there.
The country's more ready now.
If.
If we didn't do the stimulus, forget about the rights and protesting.
America would have been in shambles.
We would have had civil war taking place.
And what's our national debt going to be if we continue every six months to put a $3 trillion band-aid on this and don't create jobs?
If you corner me as a leader, if you corner me as a leader, if you corner me as a leader, and you have control over the media, I don't.
If you tell everybody everyone's dying, I can't control that.
He has more control over the media through his Twitter channel.
He has control over his social media account.
What can he tell Chicago?
There's Newsmax, there's Fox, there's the other one that O'Reilly's on.
Here's a guy that's from California.
Here's a guy from California.
Here's a guy that's living in California.
My plan was to go back to California.
I told everybody, what did I say I'm going right afterwards?
I said, I'm going to California.
We're going to build the headquarters of ITM in California or Greenwich.
These are two places we're looking at.
We're going to go to New York.
The moment I saw how Newsom handled California, I said, there's no way I'm going to California.
Trump cannot do nothing to Newsom.
Even Trump cannot say, open Disneyland with some real, you know, comprehensive way to make it safe for everybody.
Test them, do anything.
I make no excuses for Newsom because he already has the Florida blueprint that shows how they can reopen Disney.
So why he had that proof in hand and still keeps people out of jobs?
I think they fully played a card.
And one thing that I said, and I sit down and I'm like, Simpson, why is this guy doing a stimulus?
Every time I went back to him doing a stimulus, if he doesn't do the stimulus, you know, we're sitting right here, windows, all this stuff.
If he didn't do the stimulus, you would have seen the craziest things happen the next 60 days.
You can't tell me as an American human being, you cannot go to work and I'm not sending you money.
It would have been civil war at the highest.
You would have seen the darkest things we haven't seen for a while.
I have to ask you a question then.
If Trump loses during his lame duck, does he extend the CDC protection for risk moratoriums, for rental moratoriums, rental eviction moratoriums?
Or does he let all hell break?
wins.
Or does he let all...
No, no, no.
I said if he loses, is he going to extend the rental eviction moratorium until Congress reconvenes and they can pass stimulus and prevent millions of American families with families?
These are not individuals.
These are single moms with kids from being evicted.
You know what he's going to do.
You know what he's going to do because of his personality.
He's going to let the whole ship burn with the money.
What do you think he's going to do?
He's going to burn it down.
Okay, I don't disagree.
I'm not sitting here saying, oh, he's not going to do it.
He's going to say, yeah, okay.
But then Democrats are going to come and they're going to give it to him the next, you know, in February.
You cannot unwind an eviction.
You can't do it.
No, I get you.
That's why people are armed to the teeth.
Yeah, but there's a different reason why he would be doing that.
It's a different reason why.
If you make this move and you make this move and I'm getting cornered, if you corner me, I'm sorry.
I don't know.
If you corner any human being in a situation like this, it doesn't matter who is.
But why is he getting cornered if he loses the election legitimately?
No, that's a different conversation.
What I'm talking about.
And I agree with you.
I just told her.
He would burn the ship down because he lost.
No, he wouldn't burn the ship down.
He just would say that the renting, we're not covering.
I don't think he would burn the ship down.
No.
I don't think he would burn the ship down.
But all I'm saying to you guys, guys, we cannot.
None of this is right.
There's no morality about this.
48% of landlords in America are small business owners.
They're getting hosed.
They're not covered at all.
And in California, it's even worse.
Oh, it's worse.
It's worse.
But here's the thing, Adam.
I want to answer your question, Eric.
Go ahead.
I want to go back to what you said.
You said this Lincoln, I heard about it one time.
Bro, you forget that Trump was never a Republican.
You're talking about a guy that just ran with the Republican Party.
The man is the one that funded Jesse Jackson's campaign twice as an African-American presidential campaign.
This guy is known to support the Democrats.
So if he comes into the Republican Party and people don't support him, well, no shit.
He was never been a Republican.
These are not his friends.
These are not people that he ran with.
Same thing with Reason Why Bernie Sanders didn't make it for him.
He's a socialist.
A lot of people, Democrat socialism.
A lot of Democrats say, nah, we're cool, bro.
Trump and Sanders fall in the same category.
Sanders is a socialist.
Trump is not a Republican, was not a Republican.
So to say, well, he didn't have support from the Republicans.
Well, no shit.
The guy's only been a Republican for three years and 10 months.
Of course he's not going to have support from the Republicans.
I mean, it's not like he's a lifelong Republican.
Who are you responding to?
To your first question.
And I agree with you.
What do you say about the Lincoln project?
About the League of Project.
His support amongst Republicans is ridiculously high, 90% approval rate.
I get that, bro.
There's some groups that simply don't want outsiders.
And it's very well could be that this Lincoln group is it.
Some people just don't want outsiders, period.
And by the way, in the Democrat Party, it happened with Sanders.
There was a lot of Democrats that I talked to, conservative Democrats, they're like, bro, we're not supporting Sanders, period.
Well, look what Hillary did in 2016 with their own Democratic natural pool.
So that's on both sides.
Sanders had a lot of Democrats that were not his supporters because he's an outsider.
The guy's not a Democrat.
He's a socialist.
It's that simple.
So I don't really put too much weight on these Lincoln guys that turned and say, don't vote for Trump.
Well, no shit, he's not part of your party and you just don't want to play ball.
He's a very difficult guy for insiders that have been on the inside for 20 years to let him be the leader.
We're like, wait, we've got social control.
Guys like that don't do well.
When I went into the insurance business and all of a sudden I started shaking it up, the insiders never liked me for a long time until I won them over.
It took me a long time to win these guys.
I was like, wait, you're not part of this.
What are you talking about?
You're not one of us.
Most of these guys, like my father, you know, I'm legacy and all this other stuff.
He's not a legacy guys.
I'm just coming in.
Here's what I'm going to be doing.
Those are the most hated types of people.
Plus, you made him work harder.
Most difficult, hated types of, because you got to wake everybody up.
You want to get a new guy?
I've been able to kick it.
I've been golfing.
I've been relaxing.
Who the hell are you coming making us work?
No, I don't like this guy.
I don't like this guy.
So you're saying those people would rather vote for the Democrat rather than someone in the Republican Party?
It's not rather true.
Because at that point, it's not about Republican and Democrat.
It's about the community.
It's about the fraternity of politicians.
It's about who we are.
We all understand each other.
And it's not all these other guys.
We all understand what things we do behind closed doors, wink-wink type of stuff.
No, it's not as black and white as we all think it is.
There's some gray area here.
Anyways, listen, at the end of the day, we don't get to choose.
We only got five votes here.
Okay.
And the five votes.
And we're in Texas.
Well, he's in California.
They're in California.
And he's in Florida.
Texas is not a foregone conclusion.
That's my concern.
Texas is not a foregone conclusion.
First time.
First time since 76.
What's up, Adam?
I can't believe you.
You live in California.
I do.
You pay arguably one of the highest taxes of anyone in the country.
Who are you?
I do.
Why are you still living in California?
Why are you still living in California?
You're getting fucked tax-wise.
Yes, 100%.
So I got two reasons.
I got two reasons.
Reason number one, and by the way, I'm going to give you my reason for.
I'm going to have to five minutes, guys.
This is the last topic we'll have.
Okay, reason number one, I'm not going to give you, is that even my strongest point?
But all my family is that.
But that won't hold me there.
Right now, number two is for business.
We're building right now.
We have different offices.
This is a conversation I had with Patrick.
We wanted to move.
Patrick says, reinforce your California, your California area first, which that's what we're going to do is my business coach as well.
Hey, reinforce your California.
Once you do X, Y, and Z, just like he did.
He says, when I was going to leave California, I left California.
I did X, Y, and Z.
So he created a gate plan for himself.
He gave us a blueprint.
That's what we're going to do.
As soon as that happens, we're out of Cali, bro.
So you're thinking about moving?
No, I'm not thinking about it.
It's going to happen.
It's just a matter of time.
Texas.
Texas.
Texas is America.
And if we want it to be, we could be our own country.
That's the ultimate national policy.
When Obama put Obama between presidents.
We have natural resources, huge ports, border with Mexico.
Yes, we're the largest exporting state in the nation.
Thank you, California.
When Obama ran for president, he won.
There were 25,000 petitions signed so Texas could become an independent state.
How is this state up for grabs right now?
I don't get it.
How can we get it?
A lot of people are not going to get it.
Well, California moves.
Some of it is Austin's getting very powerful.
Okay, Austin's.
Austin's not Texas.
Right.
Austin's not at all Texas.
And there's a big part of Houston that's not Texas.
And sadly enough, because of how the coronavirus has been handled, it has hit mothers, women in the workforce, and minorities the hardest.
So in that sense.
Well, and then coupled with the fact that the kids can't go to school and they have to deal with those hardships.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's why mothers have disproportionately had to drop out of the workforce.
And by the way, a lot of older people who were 100% supporting Trump in 2016 and up until about six months ago were all on the Trump trend.
They're seeing this whole ridiculousness with the mask.
I don't wear the mask.
They're in their 70s, their 80s, their 90s.
Believe me.
They're reconsidering their vote.
I don't know.
Trust me on that.
They're reinforcing it.
Here we go.
These are older people who do not like the way that Trump is handling Corona.
You should have had a shot today.
You should have had a shot at the killer or two today.
By the way, let me tell you something.
I'm going to answer that.
You said that it was a blessing to everyone.
Well, you're paying high taxes.
Hold on, how about this right here, real quick?
In the middle of this happening, I receive a text message.
My mom's godfather, which is my uncle, which is my grandma's brother.
Remember, I posted a picture with the chattels when my uncle, my cousins are hostriding.
Their grandfather, which is like my grandfather, just died from coronavirus.
As soon as I get back to Cali, I'm going straight to Modesto.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Thank you.
But what I'm getting at is this: the oath.
Oh, it's the oath wrong.
Like talking to your buddy for the CNC.
No, no, bro.
I'm not going to sacrifice.
Though my uncle, since I was a baby, he died because corona right now still doesn't sway me.
Because this country needs a leader, not to be.
It's okay.
No, we need leaders.
And I just lost one of my closest people to me right now.
No.
Patriots need leaders.
We don't need to be soft enough to put a pillow on our ass when we fall.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
That's what it comes down to.
What a way to finish your podcast, folks.
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And when's the next time we're doing a podcast?
Danielle, are you going to be with us day after election?
Day after election.
Day after election, Danielle's going to come back.
Are we doing the night of election?
Doing election night, but we're going to go to two, three o'clock.
That's going to be like a six-hour type of deal that we just hold on to.
We're definitely having shots of Danielle.
Oh, you're not going to be able to do it.
I think we're doing the podcast on Tuesday.
That's what Mario told me.
So I think that's the next one.
Oh, we are doing it this Tuesday.
Yes, we are doing it this Tuesday.
So we will put it up.
You'll see it.
But having said that, gang had a really good time with everybody here.
