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How "Hangover" Star Ken Jeong Went From Being a Dr. to an Actor | Dr. Oz | S7 | Ep 86 | Full Episode
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Today on Dr. Oz.
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Okay, you don't need to say doctor.
We kind of get it with that little silly get-up, so just go on with the rest.
You're doing great.
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Today on Oz.
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That was great.
That was brilliant.
That was beautiful.
Except we can't use any of that, and let me tell you why.
Is Oz just a little misleading?
Are you a wizard of...
I know you're a doctor.
Gonna have to talk to legal.
You're doing great.
Just say the rest, alright?
You're doing great.
Wonderful.
This is gonna be a train wreck.
And action!
Today!
Okay, just cut.
Great job.
Loved it.
Loved your energy.
But it is...
Today, there's another show called Today, and technically it's going to air tomorrow, so saying today is kind of misleading.
You're a doctor.
You're better than that, baby.
You are so much better than that, okay?
Okay, doing great.
Perfect.
Not really.
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Cut.
Check the gate.
That was amazing.
That was great.
Great.
Guys, I think we got it.
I mean, good.
But you are great when you don't speak at all.
We'll save lives two days.
We are ready to get healthy.
You just got a taste of what happens when you let Hangover star Ken Jeong take over the show.
Sure he's a doctor, but he also happens to be one of my favorite comedians.
And he's here today with some more surprises up his sleeve.
That's coming up.
And we also have real housewife Kenya Moore who's giving you her beauty secrets.
Plus, which is healthier?
Think about this.
Whole fat or low fat dairy?
There's a brand new study that's making headlines and may finally set the record straight on dairy and yogurt and all that good stuff.
I'm going to weigh in later on in the show, so stay with us.
But first, you know the expression, don't quit your day job.
You all heard that, right?
Yeah.
Well, it might apply to me, because yours truly recently had a guest appearance on Ken's ABC's Dr. Ken.
Well, thank you for watching.
It means a lot.
All right, moving along.
Huzzah, huzzah.
He's a very busy man.
He doesn't want to be bothered.
Jeez.
People don't respect your space, huh?
Big smile!
Give me your number, I'll text it to you.
That's okay, thank you.
Dr. Ken Park, MD. Just want to say sub.
You know, doc to doc.
Oh, well, what's up?
Have a great flight.
Ooh, got the new aid, huh?
Me too.
I think it's amazing, isn't it?
Yeah, it's great.
I use it to get a lot of work done, so...
By the way, I dig your show, and my wife thinks you're hot, so back off!
Will do.
The one and only Dr. K, come on out.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Oh, no, I'll go back down.
I'll go back.
All right, all right, all right.
All right.
They teach us in medical school, don't they?
What are you doing?
I get that.
Oh my goodness, how are you?
Good to see you again.
Good to see you again.
Oh my.
How are you doing?
We actually have a whole class.
We have anatomy, dancing, pharmacology.
Yes, yes.
Yes.
I need some honest criticism, which I know you're good at giving.
As a rookie, how did I fare on Dr. Kevin?
You did great!
Dr. Oz, acting debut on my show.
And you know I would take any opportunity to insult you, but I couldn't.
I ran out of insults because you were so good on the show.
He came in so prepared.
Seriously.
So prepared.
Me and my head writer, my showrunner, Mike Sykowitz, who are the exec producers on the show, we looked at Oz's first take.
We're like, this is going to be amazing.
And so, truly, truly, you are a fine.
And honestly, I'm not just saying it because not only do I want you back on my show, but you should definitely do more acting because I think you're a really great performer.
I really mean that.
One thing that surprised me, and I'm used to sitting in my OR and working all day long.
It is exhausting to make those shows.
Yeah, it's a lot of hours.
He was a trooper.
You were there for, I think, at least three hours.
It wasn't a lot for him.
No, it's a lot of hours for me.
They whip you and they beat you.
No, he was very patient and was there for, you know, about 12 hours.
That's kind of a typical workday on any set.
And I don't know, you're just so...
We were just...
And he would come up with, like, little improvs and ad-libs.
We're still ignored, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.
Cut them out.
Oh, we cut them out.
I mean, you know.
Oh, that's great, man.
That's great.
Cut it out.
It's horrible.
This will never work.
It's a cultural disaster.
Oh, it's great!
Now, does your wife really do quality control in everything you take?
You know, I do run storylines by her, and we actually, you know, and you would relate, you can see this, we true up some medical dialogue, or actually kind of find medical dialogue in the show that maybe I'm not, I don't need to go too specific with, let's say if you're doing like a Holter monitor and referencing like a PVC thing, you know, we'll just kind of, we'll add a little sprinkle of that just to give that visceral feel of authenticity, you know, that this is a doctor, a guy who used to be a doctor doing a show.
She's actually the medical expert on the show.
She's a doctor.
She's one of them.
Unofficial.
I do have one of my old buddies who is a physician, still is, and he is our medical consultant on the show.
Yeah.
Because you passed.
I mean, I asked you.
Please.
You're like, no, you can't pay me enough.
Can't pay me enough.
When we come back more with Ken Jeong.
Next, Ken talks about how he went from medicine to comedy and acting.
How he juggles fame and fatherhood.
Plus, I dig up a little dirt on Ken.
I have pictures if you don't tell the truth.
It was pretty god-awful.
Coming up next.
Would you help a friend cheat on their diet?
Would you stop a kid from stealing?
We go undercover in a surprising social experiment.
Wait until you see the reactions.
Ben, was this bipolar patient shot because he's black?
I couldn't have heard a fly.
From there, they proceeded to shoot me anyways.
Montel Williams fires back.
It is clearly injustice any way you look at it.
We're asking the tough questions.
All new Oz.
That's coming up on Monday.
We're back with Ken Jeong from his hit show, Dr. Ken.
So I wanted to understand how this all came to be.
And I know the big story, but there's probably a moment where you realize, I can actually entertain.
I was busy juggling books.
Right.
You're juggling comedy sketches.
Yeah, I was kind of doing, when I was in college, I did do some theater in college when I was at Duke, and I wanted to, there wasn't like, I did think I had potential as an actor, but I honestly didn't know that if I could succeed doing that.
If I'm like short little Asian man, I don't know if that's like a Hollywood ideal.
Kind of thing.
And I was realistic about it.
But I loved performing, so I would do stand-up comedy on the side.
That was like my golf.
So even in med school, I was in med school at University of North Carolina, School of Medicine.
And I would go to a bar in Raleigh, North Carolina once a month and do open mic nights there.
It was just for me.
It was just an outlet.
Like a healthy outlet.
You work hard, play hard mentality.
But when did you realize that that actually could become your career?
That you had, and I'll say it very honestly, you had something that just made people want to watch you.
I won a stand-up comedy contest in my residency in New Orleans and the winner got to go to the Hollywood Improv and perform there.
That was about 17 years ago.
So I actually went out to Hollywood and actually at the Improv and did a couple of sets and the Laugh Factory as well.
In fact, this week's show coming up is where Ken, my character, tries stand-up comedy for the first time at the Laugh Factory.
You see a lot of art imitating life in the season finale of Dr. Ken.
And it's so real that it kind of confused me a little bit because I really felt like I was talking to my wife in real life.
And my wife was very supportive of me doing it full-time as well.
She's a physician as well.
So I've been very blessed.
I have an amazing support group.
And I don't know.
I've just been beyond blessed.
And really blessed knowing you.
He's a cool dude.
I love this guy, man.
Well, part of that support group is...
Your family, not just your wife, but those two eight-year-old twins.
Oh, yes.
There's my family.
My wife, Tran, Alexa on the right, and Zoe on the left.
Yeah, I forgot her name.
Oh, yeah, Zoe.
She's going by Alexa as well.
Yeah, exactly.
So what do they think of having a famous dad?
Oh, yeah, well, Alexa's always like, it's weird having a famous actor for her father.
I'm like, yeah, it's a long shadow to live up.
No, I didn't say a good actor dad.
I said a famous dad.
And you love being a father.
I do.
I mean, that's the one thing.
The show is based on my belief system as a family.
I do believe my wife is my best friend.
I just love being with my kids and watching them grow up right now.
They're about to turn nine in a month and we're all going to go to Disney World in Florida.
None of us have ever been to Florida.
We've been to Disneyland all the time, so we're going to do a family trip.
Instead of a birthday party, they just want to spend time with me and Tran, my wife, to go to Disney World together.
Kids make you laugh a lot?
They make me laugh a lot.
In fact, one of my daughters, Zoe, was in a music video with me.
I did a cameo on a friend's music video.
Her name is Laura Marano, and she's a singer and amazing, and she's a friend of ours, and so she wanted me and Zoe in this video.
So when I was going through my formative years, I played sports.
I was all about catching a football or throwing a baseball.
I understand you did theater, you alluded to.
And again, one of the beautiful things about being on your set is I got to dig up a lot of dirt on you.
Oh dear.
Which was special, unique.
We can cut this part out, right?
No, this is for sure going to be in there.
And you apparently won an award, which they were very cryptic about, very secretive.
Okay.
What was this high school award you won?
Oh, yes.
I was in...
I have pictures if you don't tell the truth.
Yes.
There was a mock male beauty pageant called Mr. Buccaneer.
Mr. Buccaneer.
Mr. Buccaneer.
I was a nerd, but I was a popular nerd in high school.
Oh, look at me.
Oh, there's one of those.
Oh, no.
That's him with his shirt on.
That is...
Oh, God, I think I was arrested for that look.
Yeah, I did this mock meal beauty pageant, and I posed like Hulk Hogan, or like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Hans and Franz in a Speedo.
It was just, it was pretty god-awful.
Yeah, it was, but it was funny, and a lot of people laughed, and actually, I don't think I won it.
I think I was, like, first runner-up in the thing, but I was a people's champ.
Someone did it better than you.
So I got you a little gift that I thought you'd appreciate.
This is a...
Please stand if you don't mind.
This is your own...
Stop.
I designed this with your wife, Mr. Buccaneer.
So let me see the part.
I'm going to try to copy.
Make sure you watch the Ken's season one finale.
It airs Friday, April 22nd, 8.30 Eastern ABC.
Be there.
Next, Real Housewives star Kenya Moore.
How she survived a traumatic childhood and a health scare that shook her world.
It was shocking to me.
What she does to stay strong in the face of adversity.
Coming up...
Drugs, alcohol, and pills.
What really happened to America's sitcom kids?
I really hit bottom.
From growing pains to everybody loves Raymond.
See what was really going on behind the scenes of your favorite shows.
All new Oz.
That's coming up on Tuesday.
Today's show is all about secrets, and we have a real house of Atlanta here that's building some of hers.
From overcoming challenges in her childhood to the health scare that rocked her world.
She's a former beauty queen who's turned into what some people consider a reality show mean girl.
- The names of Atlanta, Kenya Moore. - Hello. - Thank you very, very much for being here.
Thank you for having me.
Come have a seat.
It's so good to have you on the set.
It's so good to be here.
I'm such a fan.
I just want to let you know I've always been a fan and I just respect you so much.
Well, you're very kind, Kenya.
I appreciate it.
It's very kind of you.
So, I see two Kenyas.
There's the Kenya who won the Miss USA contest 22 years ago, right?
Well, it may have been longer than that, but about that.
Roughly.
And then there's the controversial reality TV star who's sometimes a bad girl.
So, which is the real Kenya Moore?
Well, I think I'm real 100% of the time.
Obviously, being Miss USA, it was sort of like oxymoronic to what I'm doing now.
You're sort of like a Barbie doll and you're presenting your best self to the world.
And you really are not put in controversial situations.
But on reality TV, that's all you're put in.
So you get to see, you know, me being multifaceted.
I'm a three-dimensional person.
I love that you're assertive, but there is this fine line between being assertive and confident and being abrasive and being a bully.
True.
Where do you draw that line?
I think you draw the line.
I think the definition for me of being a bully is when you harass or you try to intimidate someone or intentionally hurt them, and I never do that.
I can stand up for myself, but I don't need to hurt anyone in doing so.
There's another side of you that I want to talk about that's okay.
It has to deal with your rocky childhood.
You can go deep into it as you desire, but I think it's hard to understand your success, understand you, without getting past that.
Yes.
Well, I was born to two teenage parents.
They were 15 and 16 years old in a time in the 70s where it was not accepted for a child to be born out of wedlock, so my mother wanted to give me up for adoption.
And I had the kindest grandmother and my father's mother there could ever be.
And she begged my mother to let her have me.
So at three days old, I was given to my grandmother to raise me.
But I was never allowed to visit my mother's family or even to know them.
And years later when I was, I was put in positions where I was in the presence of my mother.
But she chose to intentionally pretty much pretend that I wasn't in the room.
So there would be family gatherings and I would be sitting in one corner and she might be three feet away from me.
And she did not acknowledge my presence in the room.
And that was my whole life.
And to this day, I've only spoken to my mother once and that was at her father's funeral several times, I mean several years ago.
And that was the first time she's ever acknowledged that I was in her presence.
What did she say?
Hello.
That's it.
Just hello.
But for me that was monumental because she had never even acknowledged I was born or I existed or I was three feet away from her.
So to hear her say hello, it was shocking to me.
First of all, I love how honest you are about this and I know it is difficult.
It's amazing to me that you become Miss USA, have all the great success that have been since then, even with that much pain in your heart.
What do you say to all the folks watching right now, the women, who are feeling a similar sense of abandonment?
I think a lot of women have abandonment issues, whether it's from their fathers or their mothers.
And I think for me, I had to start with forgiveness.
I had to not only forgive my mother for the treatment that I've received from her my entire life, but I had to forgive myself.
I can't take the position of I'm judging her because I don't really know her entire story.
And for me to forgive her and to forgive myself, I'm releasing myself from that bondage.
So I would say to the women out there, forgive yourself.
Forgive the person that you feel abandoned you.
And you just have to be positive in your life.
From there, you can create the world that you want.
If you want love in your life, you be the love in someone else's life.
If you want a better job or if you want better relationships with people, you can speak it into existence and the laws of the universe will work for you.
So, you obviously didn't have modeling to be a mother.
No.
Well, my grandmother.
Your grandmother?
Yes.
You want to be a mother yourself?
Absolutely, yes.
Are you working on it?
I am working on it.
I am, yes.
I think you'd be a great mother.
Thank you.
You have so much insight.
Thank you.
You don't get, you know, there's no trial run.
You got to sort of figure it out as you go, but you worked on it a lot.
Yeah, I, you know, it's something that I dream about right now.
I'm obsessed with it.
I've had a puppy baby.
You know, it started small.
It's a little different.
A little different.
But I'm working on undergoing in vitro in the next few months, so I hope to be a mother in a few months.
That would be so wonderful.
Thank you.
You had a big cancer scare, a breast cancer scare that you were very open about.
You actually televised when you heard whether it was cancer or not.
Yes, and it was when I received the news.
So I honestly, when I went into the doctor's office, who was absolutely amazing by the way, I didn't know the results.
And from our conversations, she really thought that all the benchmarks pointed to it being positive.
So I was really terrified.
But I thought it was necessary for me to have that honesty, especially on television, because if I can go through it and be brave, I think I can encourage other women to be brave and get tested.
And early detection is what really saves lives.
And are you doing okay?
I'm cancer-free, yes.
You're not just cancer-free.
I mentioned that 22 years ago, I only bring it up again for...
No, I'm actually going to brag on you here.
This is a picture of a Kenya 20 years ago winning Miss USA. Look at this picture, guys.
I mean, identical.
You haven't changed at all.
Thank you.
Now, I'm not going to actually go through this, but when we come back, the beauty secrets that only Miss USA would know, how to stay looking the same ageously as you go through life.
We'll be right back. - Next, Kenya shares her amazing beauty secrets that only a Miss USA winner would know.
From brows to belts, Kenya has the tips to make anyone look like a beauty queen.
These are too highly arched.
What do you guys think?
Enough notes.
Would you help a friend cheat on their diet?
We go undercover in a surprising social experiment.
Wait until you see the reactions.
Then, was this bipolar patient shot because he's black?
I couldn't have heard a fly.
From there, they proceeded to shoot me anyways.
All new Oz.
That's coming up on Monday.
I'm back with Little Housewives of Atlanta star Kenya Moore.
She's sharing her beauty secrets that only a Miss USA would know.
And the first beauty secret is to create an eyebrow arch for an instant facelift.
No knife, huh?
No knife.
I believe in the natural technique until all else fails.
Gotcha!
I do appreciate that you're transparent about that also.
Until all else fails, try this.
So, we all know that the eyebrows sort of frame your face.
If your eyebrows are droopy or straight, it brings your face down and close, which gives you an aged look.
If you lift your eyebrows up, simply by just arching your eyebrow, you'll open your eyes and it'll actually make you look five to ten years younger.
So these little kits actually are sort of like a template for an eyebrow and you can find these at any drugstore and what you do is you take whichever one would be more suitable for your natural eyebrow and you place it on to your eyebrow and you can fill it in with just a regular eye pencil.
That simple.
That simple.
All right, so I wanted to test it out.
We asked Judy, who's in our audience, to come play with us a little bit.
Before the show, I'm going to turn you around in one second.
You'll let you see for yourself.
She wanted to undergo the knife, I hear.
Then you heard Kenya's desire to help you avoid that until all else is done.
So here's a photo of Judy from before the show.
There she is.
And here, are you ready to see her?
Yourself?
Are you ready, Judy?
Yes.
Spin it around.
Woo!
Oh my god, wow.
Look at that camera.
I can't believe it.
That looks fabulous.
You look beautiful.
Really good.
I never had eyebrows before, now I do.
Looks great.
And I would recommend this.
I'm in bridal, and I think brides would do great with this.
With bridal?
It looks great.
It looks great on you.
So, you have some ideas for me.
Here's the problem.
Judy has a natural gestalt of what to do with her eyebrows.
I don't, because I'm a guy.
So, how do I know what eyebrows I need?
Well, you go by your natural brow, and I'm thinking maybe the unibrow?
What do you think?
No?
No, that doesn't work.
Not so much.
I literally am Neanderthal with the eyebrow.
I think something a little more, you have a very nice full bra.
People pay a lot of money to get brows like this.
So I think maybe something like this.
A little bit?
A little bit more natural?
I think that these are too highly arched for you, I think.
What do you guys think?
No.
Are you kidding?
Who would ever use that?
That wouldn't work at Judy either.
Here, to make it easy, I have an eyebrow chart we're going to put up on DrRoz.com.
Take a look at this thing.
See there?
You have to identify the face shape you have.
Are you round or your heart, oval or square?
I think I'm probably a heart.
You think I'm heart?
I think you're more square, I think.
You have a nice, really strong jawline.
All right, so now that I know I'm a square, I can pick the right eyebrow.
You all have to do the same thing.
Again, we'll put it up there so you can then match yourself and people can play with your eyebrows.
All right, you got one more tip for us.
Lots of fun.
Yes.
The next secret that Miss USA would, only Miss USA would know, in fact, is you have to wear a belt at dinner.
Yes.
For all your meals.
Now, a lot of people don't know, I am actually a foodie.
I love food.
Yes, I kind of work out to eat.
Make up for it.
To eat whatever I want.
But sometimes if you know you're going to a big dinner like Thanksgiving or Christmas, you know there's going to be a lot of delicious food there and you want to be able to control yourself.
So the trick that I use is I take a belt and you kind of tighten it pretty tight so it acts like a waist cincher or sort of a corset and it keeps you from overeating because once your stomach starts to expand, if you feel a little uncomfortable because the tension is there, you know it's time to put down your fork.
So it kind of acts like an alarm for your stomach.
You know, I have really enjoyed having you on.
Yes, I have enjoyed being here.
And I think that you're going to be a fabulous mother.
Your baby will not only be beautiful on the outside, but beautiful on the inside with all the leadership you're going to give her.
Thank you so much, Dr. Oz.
So good luck to you.
Kenny's got a fantastic new hair care line.
It's called More Hair.
It's available now.
You can also check out the season eight of The Real Housewives of Atlanta on video on demand.
Be right back.
Next, now that you know how to look great, find out how you can feel even better.
I'm weighing in on dairy and the headlines it's making around the world.
Is whole fat actually healthier for you than low fat?
We sift through the clutter and put an end to the debate.
Next.
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Did I get it right?
Today, I am weighing in on Derrick.
Now, we've known for some time that fat has a place in our diet, and that's raised a lot of questions, including which is healthier, whole fat or low fat?
Now, a new study making headlines around the world not only questions the type of milk you serve your family, but also it's maybe finally setting the record straight on dairy in general.
Three servings a day.
The government says that's how much low or fat-free dairy you should consume every day.
It's been the official recommendation since 1985, when the USDA made the switch to low-fat dairy as a means of managing fat intake.
Since then, fat-free dairy has been filling and flying off supermarket shelves.
There's low and no fat versions of milk, cheese, ice cream, even fat-free half and half.
The fat-free trend first took root in the 1970s when a controversial government commission touted a low-fat diet as the best way to tackle heart disease and shed pounds.
Now, two new landmark studies suggest people consuming full-fat dairy actually weigh less than their low and no-fat counterparts and have lower risk for diabetes.
But with controversy still surrounding saturated fat, the kind found in full-fat dairy, what percentage should you be pouring?
Joining us is a world expert in this field, Dr. David Kass, a medicine expert at Yale and founder of the True Health Initiative.
He's published, I think Kelly, more than 200 research papers, 15 books on nutrition, lifestyle, and health.
So I went to you, the expert on this.
Why has this study had such an impact on our field?
Well, the impact, I think, is all these headlines.
And since people eat every day, they're fascinated with every study about diet.
And the ones that make the headlines aren't the best studies or the most important ones.
They're the most shocking ones, the most surprising ones.
And in particular, the ones that tell us what we want to hear, like, ice cream is good for us today.
Fat is good.
So I think the impact is really all about those issues.
Let's talk about what the study's actually shown.
And there's two we're going to highlight.
The first looked at...
A lot of folks and the effect of dairy and on their weight and diabetes.
So go ahead.
Right.
Yeah, so this study looked at an association between fats from dairy in the blood and the likelihood of developing diabetes over time.
And it's shown here, 46% lesser likelihood of developing diabetes in over 3,000 people When there was dairy fat in their blood.
Now, importantly, that's just a study of association.
There were other things that might have accounted for the lower rate of diabetes.
We'll come back to that.
But that's basically what this study showed.
But in theory, if you look at these, you say, okay, if I have fats from yogurt or milk in my blood, Seems that I have a much lower risk of getting diabetes.
On the surface.
And if that were a strong, consistent finding and if it were consistent with other research, I think we could be more confident about it.
But actually the association with specific dairy fats was pretty weak.
It wasn't totally consistent.
In other words, there were associations between certain fats from dairy, but not all fats from dairy.
So, I don't think we have a definitive answer there.
Okay, and the other big study looked at something people always ask me about, which is, will I lose weight or gain weight if I eat whole fat dairy?
Yeah, and I think that's a really important question because if there is a defense against diabetes, as you know, the main driver of the risk for type 2 diabetes is weight gain.
So this study, actually a larger group of women, there was an association between eating full fat dairy and protection against weight gain over time.
Now, does that make sense?
Well, yeah, it could for a couple of reasons.
First, if the fat and dairy fills us up and keeps us full, satiety, if we get satiety from the fat and dairy, then we might actually eat less calories overall and that, of course, protects against weight gain.
The other thing is that fat does not raise blood sugar directly and it doesn't trigger an insulin release.
And it's the rise in blood sugar and the release of insulin that causes fat to accumulate around the middle, and that's the fat that increases the risk for diabetes in particular.
So there may be protection because of satiety, that lasting feeling of fullness, and there may be some protection because you're pushing out of your diet sugar and refined starch calories that do have an effect on blood sugar and insulin levels.
Let's draw some pictures here for everybody.
Maybe this might help you understand how Dr. Katz is interpreting what we're seeing.
So let's say you have skim milk.
You put skim milk in your stomach and it has about 90 calories a cup.
So you actually don't feel like you're completely full.
You had your milk, but you don't quite feel like you got it all in there, right?
If you have whole milk, well, it's got fat in it, and for that reason, it actually has extra calories, 150 calories specifically.
Now, let's compare these.
You got the whole milk, 150 calories, that's more than the 90 calories from the skim milk, so in theory, in theory, you should gain weight with whole milk and lose weight with skim milk.
Don't you all think that?
It makes perfect sense, right?
What Dr. Katz is saying is this difference, this 60-calorie difference, you make up over the course of the day because you get the grumbling, the rowel, the hunger.
That looks like a lot of us, right?
You're still hungry, After you have that skim milk.
And the things you go after oftentimes will have sugar in them.
In America we eat a lot of sugar.
So that might penalize you either because of the hormones or because the fat directly has a benefit.
Who knows why?
But that's been the big slippery slope here.
Because on the surface you'll see why everyone in America thought skim milk was better.
Now some researchers are saying that this type of fat you touched on was vitally important.
And it might be the reason for this.
Yeah, so a couple issues here.
So, you know, given the choice between 90 calories from skim milk, plus a whole bunch of calories from cookies because you're still hungry, versus the 150 from whole milk, you may be better off with the whole milk.
I think this all comes down to association and context.
So these are studies of association.
They don't prove cause and effect.
You know, maybe the people who ate the full fat dairy were people who were less concerned about their weight in the first place.
Maybe they didn't gain weight because they weren't as prone to gain weight and they said, I can afford the calories.
Only the dieters drank the skim milk.
We just don't know for sure.
There are a lot of other things that might have accounted for the association both with weight and with diabetes.
There are some fats in dairy that might be specifically protective.
And by the way, not all the fat in dairy is saturated.
Some of it is conjugated linoleic acids, and these are thought to bump up metabolic rate just a little bit, but maybe enough to make a difference over a span of years.
So there may be some healthy fats in dairy.
To me, context is key.
Your heritage is Mediterranean.
There are a lot of healthy fats in the Mediterranean diet.
You get them from nuts and seeds, olive, avocado, fish, seafood.
I would argue if you're getting satiety from healthy, wholesome foods, fiber in vegetables and fruits and whole grains, beans and lentils, healthy fats from those sources, there's very unlikely to be much benefit from the fat in dairy.
And the healthiest diets around the world, healthiest populations, they don't eat much dairy.
The blue zones, they don't eat much dairy, and the dairy they eat is goat and sheep, not cow.
And most of the intervention studies that have produced the best results, even preventing diabetes, haven't relied very much on dairy.
So what does David Katz do in his family?
What do you actually do differently based on this research?
I haven't changed anything based on these studies because I think they're interesting, but I don't think they provide a definitive answer.
So the average person trying to make a decision right now, the mom's going to go to the store today and buy a carton of milk.
Does it matter, really, whether it's skim, 1%, 2%, or full fat, 3.5%?
You know, I think it matters in context.
If you're eating a typical American diet, you might derive some benefit from the higher fat varieties.
And if you wanted to split the difference, 2% is right in the middle.
It's what I do.
It's had 50% of the fat taken out.
It hasn't had 98% of the fat taken out.
It's right in the middle.
So again, if you have trouble controlling your appetite, your hunger, and you're eating a typical American diet, first of all, fix that.
But dairy fat may be your friend.
If you don't have trouble staying full, if you're getting plenty of healthy fat from nuts, seeds, olives, avocado, fish, I don't think there's a specific reason based on these studies to add dairy fat to your diet.
I'm going shopping for 2%.
David Katz, thank you very much.
My bottom line on dairy, the odds approved options for both you and your family when we come back.
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We've been talking about a new study on dairy suggesting that whole fat is a healthier choice over low fat to ward off diabetes and weight gain.
So, in light of this study and all the controversy around it, what are the best dairy product recommendations for you and your family?
What are you going to buy?
Pediatrician Dr. Tanya Altman has the answers because she's given them every day in her office.
So first off, there's been a lot of controversy about whether adults should have any dairy at all.
So what do you tell your patients and their parents?
So I talk to the parents as much about nutrition as I do the kids, and dairy products are important for all ages.
They provide protein, calcium, vitamin D. These are nutrients that most people don't get enough of.
So the recommendations are still three servings a day of dairy products for adults, cup of milk, three quarters cup of yogurt, I know you love Greek yogurt like I do, or a slice of cheese.
Alright, let's talk about the milk specifically.
There's two rules that you argue everyone should abide by when they're buying milk for their family.
So organic milk is from cows raised organically, which means that their feed doesn't contain chemical pesticides or fertilizers.
They're not given hormones and they're not given antibiotics.
So that's less exposure to all of those things for your family.
And why do I have these cool little goggles here?
What's the story here?
You get to try it.
These are fun.
My patients love these.
It's a great way to make drinking milk fun for kids.
Do I have it right?
I'll let you try it.
Oh my goodness.
This is ridiculous.
In your mouth?
It's got to be an easier way to drink milk than this.
Wouldn't all kids love drinking milk through fun straws?
They would.
They would.
I'd rather use these little curlicue things, though.
This is a fashion statement.
What about raw milk?
What do you think about folks who love that?
So, you know, raw milk has become trendy because some people perceive it as being less processed, but the process of pasteurization, the heating milk to kill bacteria, is actually important, especially when you have kids and pregnant women drinking the milk because you want to make sure there's no dangerous bacteria.
Then there's the other end of the spectrum.
These ultra-pasteurized milks, they never seem to go bad.
Right.
Ultra-pasteurized milk can last in the refrigerator for a lot longer, and in my house, I buy three types of milk.
I drink nonfat, same as my 10-year-old.
My 8-year-old likes 1% or 2%, and my 1-year-old drinks whole milk.
So, in some ways, ultra-pasteurization can help keep the milk longer in the refrigerator, but it does taste a little different, and some people don't love the fact that it's more pasteurized.
Yeah, it seems more natural that it would go bad.
But again, if you're buying lots of different kinds for different age groups, you've got to be careful.
Okay, speaking of that, let's talk about the fact that one size doesn't fit all when it comes to kids.
So explain to us, and we'll start off with kids that are under a year of age.
What do you tell your patients about what makes sense for them?
So under one year of age, kids cannot drink regular cow's milk because they can't really absorb it.
It doesn't have all the important nutrients they need at that age specifically.
So you want to make sure you're giving your baby breast milk.
Obviously it's the best thing from birth.
This is breast milk?
Until one and older.
That's one heck of a breast.
This mom did a great job here.
And if you're not giving breast milk, then you want to use an approved infant formula.
All right.
But you can give yogurt, and I love Greek yogurt even for babies starting at six months of age.
Plain.
You don't want to get them used to the sweet taste of anything with added sugar.
And also cheese is also acceptable in a form that they can handle.
All right.
What about ages one to two?
So age 1 to 2, the brain is really 60% fat, so they do need the fat for brain development at that age.
So over age 1, whole milk is recommended.
Now, if you have a family history of high cholesterol, heart disease, then your pediatrician may recommend 2% milk, which still has enough fat for brain development.
And all this also counts, right?
Exactly.
And if you've got a mom this evening, by the way, you know, you can breastfeed until you're an adult.
It would be nutritious for us as well.
You wanna try it with the straw?
No, I'm not gonna try it.
I stopped breastfeeding a long time ago.
All right, now let's talk about people like us.
Anyone over the age of two, frankly, what do you recommend?
Over age two, you can come down on the fat in the milk if you like the taste and instead give your family healthy plant-based fats.
Avocado, nuts, nut butter.
We're even giving nut butter now at six months of age to babies to help prevent allergies.
And salmon is great for all ages.
Omega-3s, really healthy fat.
So you give young children fish fats?
I do.
I recommend everything at six months of age.
It gets them used to eating healthy.
Start young and their taste buds will like healthy food as they get older.
Thank you for the wonderful advice.
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Turns out size does matter when it comes to, well, height.
It matters for height and lots of other things, maybe, because nudie sure says a height difference can be a key to a happy relationship.
Who would have thought?
So let me see.
Put your hands up for your couples.
All the couples, put your hands up.
Quite a few.
Who's got a big difference?
You guys look like you have a big difference.
Hi, what's your name?
Kim.
Kim and?
Marcus.
Marcus.
Can you stand?
Oh my goodness.
That's a big difference.
So how did the height difference play into the attraction you have for each other?
I've always found being tall very attractive.
How tall are you?
5'4".
5'4".
He's 6'3", so about a foot.
Oh, my goodness.
And what did you think about the foot difference?
Oh, it's perfect.
I like women that like tall men.
Has it ever posed a challenge in your relationship?
Usually in the bed.
She's small.
Even though she's small, she occupies a lot of space, so that's the only challenge.
Oh, I thought you were in a different direction.
No, no, no.
Whoa!
She always told me to move over.
Can you see the look?
Kim gave Marcus.
That was to die for.
It would have killed him, actually, if he kept going.
Well, thank you very much.
Listen, it makes a lot of sense, researchers argue, because opposites do attract.
My wife and I also have a big height difference.
This is our wedding picture, actually.
You can see that I've shrunk since then, but it was not quite a foot, but getting close.
So who disagrees?
The couples who think you should be similar in height.
Come up here.
Stand if you don't mind.
Prove what you're saying.
Oh my goodness, you're exactly the same height.
Well, I have on heels.
I have to be careful sometimes.
I might be taller than him.
So you like having the same height?
I do, I do.
It works fine.
It works fine?
Yeah, it's fine.
How about you make the bed comment Marcus is making again?
Yeah, everything's good there.
Guys, thank you very much.
It never happened how he starts at home.
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