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We'll review some of the aftermath, some of the fallout from that.
I think it puts quite a few things on display.
I think we're really starting to hone in on what this administration is and what this administration isn't and how exactly it got to be that way.
We're really starting to figure it out.
The president of Mexico has a response for President Trump declaring fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction.
Yeah.
Remember what I said about fentanyl in Mexico?
Yeah.
So we'll be explaining that.
There's a continued story here when it comes to the attacks on Pete Hegseth.
But then more recently, the Department of War investigating all of those Democrats that came out in that video and said that you don't have to obey illegal orders in the military.
So there's still a lot of back and forth going on in that drama, in that story.
We got a brief update on that.
If you're listening to this in California, your energy costs might be skyrocketing very soon.
Some news out of California.
And of course, if you're listening to this, almost everybody listening to this, your health care costs are about to skyrocket.
I've got multiple videos dealing with the new health care bills that people are receiving.
And then we'll tie that into some other commentary on the general state of the economy.
You've then got some news from the Department of Justice with Pam Bondi.
Bill and Hillary Clinton were supposed to be deposed this week on the Epstein investigation.
Well, turns out that's not going to happen.
And we'll go back in time.
We'll go back in time and review what Pam Bondi has said throughout the year regarding the Epstein files.
And it's funny now that we still don't have them.
It's funny now that we still don't have them.
And then, of course, you can't avoid it now.
We got a large stack of news from the propaganda desk of Benjamin Netanyahu, but we'll get to that.
We still need to cover the attack.
There's some more fallout from the attack in Australia, the attack now at Brown University, where the shooter is still at large, but Kash Patel has time to go do the Katie Miller podcast.
That's nice.
I'm glad.
We're going to hear from JD Vance today.
Actually, we're going to hear a couple things from JD Vance today.
And I will tell you, folks, here's the big story.
And I've just been through this before.
I know all the signs.
I know all the trends right before it happens.
But they will.
The big war now is to take away your First Amendment and your Second Amendment.
Do not be confused.
Do not be confused.
They tried it on the left, they failed.
Now they're trying it on the right.
But they have a plan.
They have a plan to sneak this one by you.
And I'll tell you that plan.
But just remember: your first and your second amendment right are unalienable and they need to be protected at all costs because we're about to be betrayed by our government on this issue.
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And to put this into context, I have basically gone through the ringer of dealing with the right and then the left and now the right again.
In 2015 and 2016, when myself and many others came out as Trump supporters after he came down the golden elevator and then maybe even more loudly and proudly after the Republican debates, we went through a process on the right wing inside of the Republican Party of dealing with the corruption, the deep state, the powers that be.
And essentially, we were salmon swimming upstream.
We were going against the grain.
We were supposed to be put out on an island.
We were supposed to be guilt-tripped and shamed for supporting Trump.
We went through all of this for two years, 2015 and 2016.
And so we kind of got to see how the Republican Party operates and how it tries to control things and where it does have control and where it doesn't have control.
Trump was pointing a lot of this stuff out on the campaign trail during the debates.
So we already went up against the establishment right.
I already went up against the establishment right for two years, for two years.
Now, this was after, obviously, eight years of Obama and covering Obama and the radical left and everything he did in his eight years.
But it was clear at that point.
It was clear at that point, Trump was the anti-establishment candidate.
And Trump was going to rail against the right-wing establishment and the left-wing establishment.
This turned a lot of people on.
This turned a lot of people off.
But we went up against it.
We faced it.
We dealt with it.
And we emerged ultimately victorious.
We dealt with the never Trumpers, many of which are now in the administration, even leading the administration, many of which now are trying to dictate what MAGA is or who it is or who it isn't.
So we already went through that.
But okay, 2016, we get Trump in.
Now here we go.
Now here comes the radical left.
Now here comes the response from the radical left, dealing with the rise of Trump and dealing with the people that were important in getting him into the White House.
So then we went up against the radical left.
Of course, we saw the stolen election.
We saw the censorship.
We saw the lies, the attacks, the doxing, the rioting, the protests, the imprisonment, the disarming.
So we already went through all of that.
And now here we are again, unfortunately.
Now here we are again putting up with the establishment right, the corrupt neocon establishment right, which Trump, for all intents and purposes, seems to have joined, seems to have allied with, seems to have decided this is where he's going to raise his sales.
Okay, so that's a little awkward dealing with all of this, and yet here we are.
When I tell you what is coming next in a short picture and a long picture, you have to understand that I've already done this so many times.
It's so easy to predict.
It's like I'm just stuck on the same hamster wheel now.
And we thought with this administration, we'd get off this hamster wheel.
But no, we're just stuck on the same hamster wheel.
It's the same damn hamster wheel.
It's the same damn merry-go-round.
So I'm just here pointing the blurs, pointing out the blurry images, saying this is that, that is this, because I've been on this ride for 10 damn years.
So all the signs, all the symptoms, all the patterns, all the trends, all the attacks, all the words, all the lies, all the propaganda, it's all the same.
It might have a new delivery mechanism, but it's still the same agenda.
It's still the same purpose.
You, as an American, need to understand that your First Amendment and your Second Amendment hang in the balance.
And you know what?
Just as an aside, just as an aside, to maybe give a little more context to this, maybe a little added context to this.
Trump appears to romanticize the Chinese communist system more so than the American constitutional system.
Don't take my word for it.
Remember, it was just a couple weeks ago at the White House where he was basically upset that the powers of the president are limited and he was essentially jealous that Xi Jinping can do whatever he wants and he doesn't have to deal with Congress or the media or any of this stuff.
He was romanticizing the idea of a dictatorship.
Now, for practical purposes, okay, perhaps you can understand it.
For practical purposes, you can understand that I don't want to deal with all of this and these people in my way and everything else.
But Trump was romanticizing the Chinese communist system, seemingly jealous of Xi Jinping, that he can be more effective because he's an authoritarian.
He's a dictator.
Trump was kind of romanticizing that.
He was flirting with the idea.
He seemed to like it.
And he was upset.
He was upset at our current system.
He was upset at our current constitutional republic and all the protection mechanisms it has to stop an authoritarian or a dictator from rising to power.
So, okay.
So let's retreat.
Let's get back to the point.
The powers that be, and there's all kinds of different powers that be, there's all kinds of different power structures and systems that are constantly fighting with one another, but they all agree on two things.
No matter where you think the power struggle is coming from, no matter who you think it is, they all agree on two things, and that's that you cannot have the right to free speech.
That's dangerous to their power structure.
And you cannot have the right to bear arms or defend yourself because ultimately, authoritarians, dictatorships, what have you, they have to rule.
They have to rule you from behind a gun.
They have to rule you from the barrel of a gun pointed at your head.
It's the only way they can get you to go along with their unpopular policies, tyrannical government, serfdom, slavery in the 21st century.
It's the only way.
So, as we sit here and watch now the new attacks on free speech, the new attacks on the Second Amendment, just know that was always part of the plan.
And no matter where you think it's coming from, that was always part of the plan.
And so, the left wing tried it, and they said it was dangerous speech.
What you said about black people, or it was dangerous speech, what you said about gay people or trans people-all of these different little identity-politic issues, identity-politic cultures, they wanted to protect and they wanted to take away your free speech.
Well, now it's the right-wing version of that, and it's all about fighting anti-Semitism, it's all about protecting the Holy Land and the most important place in the world, Israel.
And so, now that's where all of this is going.
So, the left had their delivery mechanism, the left had their flavor to try to take away your right to free speech.
And we were able, for the most part, in the long run, we were able to fight it off and reject it.
They were victorious for a small period of time, which means they're going to go for it again, but we were mostly able to overthrow it.
And quite frankly, you know, I'm really concerned.
I am really concerned at this point that we're probably going to see this from the Trump administration.
Now, Trump has never really been a big romantic of the Second Amendment either, but ultimately, that's what comes next.
Ultimately, that's where this goes.
Now, I think the plan, if there's a plan, I think it's going to go like this, folks.
And maybe it makes sense.
Allow me to put on my tinfoil hat, conspiracy theory hat, and try to see into the crystal ball here, try to see into the future.
I think the Republicans want to lose the midterms so that when they lose the midterms and there's a crackdown on free speech and there's a crackdown on the Second Amendment, they can blame the Democrats because they know that it's not really going to work on Republicans.
They know that a lot of conservatives are still bitter clingers, let's say, to the First Amendment and the Second Amendment.
And by the way, I've got some evidence of all of this coming up that, yes, you're now going to hear from Republicans talk about how we need to censor speech.
This is now happening, but they want the Democrats to be running Congress when it happens.
They want the Democrats to propose the legislation and vote on the legislation when it happens.
So, ultimately, this is where I see it going.
Now, they're going to need a big event as the platter, as the delivery mechanism.
They're going to need a big event as the backdrop to censor you and to disarm you.
But a lot of people think this is happening soon.
A lot of people think this is going to happen sooner than later.
If they have control of such an event and not everything is controlled, even the power structure doesn't have control of everything, things do happen out of their control.
But if they still have full control over this, they're not going to let this happen until after the midterms, after the Democrats take over.
And then they're going to let the Democrats be the ones to deliver the anti-free speech legislation and the anti-Second Amendment legislation.
That's where I see all of this going.
That's what you need to be concerned about as an American.
That's what you need to be thinking about as an American.
Now, the problem is, as all the momentum is going in this direction and the snowball is building and rolling downhill, we're sitting here dealing with the continuing results of bad foreign policy.
We're sitting here continuing to deal with the results of a bad economy.
And so that makes it a lot harder to rally around these things as Americans and try to stand up for our rights.
But make no mistake about it.
That's where this is going.
That's 100% where this is going.
And you start to wonder how much of what's going on with Israel and the commentary surrounding it, how much of that is just another delivery mechanism to censor speech and disarm people.
So we're going to be kind of reviewing different points of evidence that have led me to this conclusion.
But I am fairly convinced that this is where it's all going.
And I say that from the experience of dealing with this for a decade and watching the same patterns emerge now from the right wing that I went through from the left wing for four plus years, because it happened before Biden became president.
So it was really about six years after the Democrats took the House in the first Trump administration.
That's really when it began.
So again, I'm just, this is all from past experience.
This is all just understanding how each side operates in this larger agenda to take away your rights, to take away your freedom, your prosperity, your country, quite frankly.
And the powers that be overall, and this is where the world has to be watching, and this is where we need to have a deeper understanding of what America is and what it represents.
Because the powers that be that want you enslaved, they don't want you to be free.
They don't want you to determine your own fate, decide your own future.
They don't want to see your lineage grow into something great.
They want you crushed.
They want you destroyed.
They want to remain kings forever.
They want you to be the serfs of the planet.
But they can't do that as long as America exists.
It was the revolutionary idea that the individual is in charge of the individual, that self-government is the most organic path to human prosperity on the face of the earth.
This was known as the American experiment in human freedom.
And we did it.
And we built the most powerful country in the world.
And we revolutionized the world.
And we built the world and made the world in many aspects.
And then we got sold out.
We got betrayed.
Treason up one side and down the other.
A lying media, a corrupt media, all of it.
And so now here we are.
So they have to snuff out.
They have to snuff out America.
And they have to say, see, it didn't work.
See, human freedom doesn't work.
See that?
You see that?
That's symbolic.
No, actually, you want to know what that is?
I don't think I'm ever doing Christmas decorations again.
It's a pain in the ass, and that's why I was late today.
I don't think I'm ever doing Christmas decorations again, but that's symbolic.
America falling.
There it is.
Segment over.
Segment done.
What do you do?
You can't go on from that.
You can't return from that.
Did my light stay up?
No.
So that's it.
Segment over.
Symbolic, not planned.
That just happened.
It's like lightning striking right there.
That's like lightning striking at the end of Caddyshack when he finishes his round and he gets hit by the bolt of lightning.
So let's end it right there.
So let's end it right there.
That's what you need to know.
That's what you need to keep your eye on.
That's what you need to be watching.
That's where all of this is going.
And it doesn't matter because I get back to the Israel issue.
It doesn't matter whether you're Jewish or Muslim or any of this stuff.
It's all going into the same thing.
You're all going to be slaves in this system, all of you.
And I just think they're using Israel as kind of the issue, the cause celeb and the issue to really just have it just blow up as a big issue, a big topic, generate a bunch of terror, whatever, and then boom, clamp down on speech, clamp down on the Second Amendment.
So, yes, I have the premium instant coffee from blankoutcoffee.com/slash Owen here in my mug.
But, but I mixed it.
I've got a new mix going here.
I've got a new mix going here.
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This was not planned.
I just did this myself.
What I do now is I take this lit powder, the chalk lit powder, and you can go in, read all the different ingredients.
It's a serious mix.
It's not for the faint of heart.
So now, this is what I did yesterday.
I put a scoop of the lit powder in the coffee pot, and then I brewed my blackout coffee in the coffee pot.
And it was just kind of this natural mix and the hot coffee mixed with the lit powder.
It's like hot cocoa coffee is how I would describe it.
It's like hot cocoa coffee.
So I did the same thing today, but I didn't have enough time for a full pot.
So instead, I just put some lit powder in my local Coda mug here, Coda here, Circuit of the Americas here in Austin, Texas.
Is there a famous Peppermint Parkway Christmas lights display?
A lot of fun.
So I put some lit powder in here, and then I did my instant coffee from my water filter with the hot water.
Yeah, we're that in, baby.
We're that in right here.
It's unbelievable.
Hot cocoa coffee is how I would describe it.
But you got to have your Kofi or water filter for the hot water.
You got to have your blackout coffee for the coffee.
You got to have your chocolate powder.
We live it, baby.
We just live it.
All right, we're going to get into the news now.
We're going to get into the news now, but you can't look at this awkward, look at this awkward set that we have now because of the fall of America behind me.
Look at that.
My light is out.
I think I'm done.
I think I'm done with the garland behind me.
You know, it's just kind of obnoxious.
So I think we're just going to be done with that.
That's what I think we're going to do.
So spare us here at the Owen Report.
Spare us for a moment at the Owen Report as we address the studio falling apart, the country falling apart.
Now, I'm personally glad that it happened because to me, it shows where this administration is.
And it might be now, of course, Susie and the gang are basically saying it's fake news and none of it is true, but these are exact quotes from Susie Wiles.
And so Susie's not denying it, but she's saying, oh, these things were taken out of context.
Now, I'm willing to take Susie at her word on this, actually, because this has happened to me.
And I tell other people in the media: if somebody reaches out for comment, you better make sure that you record all of your comments and you don't give them anything that they don't want you to print because they will print it and they will take it out of context and they will use that to paint the picture that they want.
Now, is that what happened here?
Could be.
Could be.
I don't know, but it could be.
It wouldn't surprise me.
So that's what the White House is saying.
But again, whether or not Vanity Fair is being honest in the reporting, why did you let them in to begin with?
Whose idea was that?
Who thought that was a good idea?
Who thought that would turn out well?
And if Susie Wiles is your chief of staff, and if Susie Wiles is your gatekeeper in chief, and that's the decision that she's making, you might want to rethink her discernment levels.
You might want to rethink whether or not you want to keep her around after that.
Now, they're all in total defense of her today.
And I'll show you that, but the massive outpouring of defense for Susie today tells me she's not going anywhere.
Okay.
Here's just some of the things.
Here's just some of the things that made their way to the print.
Over the course of 11 interviews, she apparently did 11 interviews with them.
So, I mean, Vanity Fair is running around the White House.
And I'll tell you this, too.
I bet you this will not be the last thing you hear from Vanity Fair.
I bet you they milked at least two or three stories out of all of this access.
So don't be surprised when the new Vanity Fair hit piece drops and they talk about other things they saw in the White House.
It's almost inevitable.
What was Susie Wiles thinking?
Over the course of 11 interviews, Susie Wiles offered pungent assessments of the president and his team.
Mr. Trump, quote, has an alcoholics personality.
Okay.
No context.
Vice President JD Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade.
We'll hear from JD Vance on that, by the way.
We've got a clip from JD Vance.
He's responding to that.
And his conversion from Trump critic to ally was based not on principle, but was sort of political because he was running for Senate.
So in other words, Susie Wiles is insinuating that Vance really doesn't like Trump and never supported Trump.
He only pretended to so that he could win a Senate race.
Elon Musk is an avowed ketamine user and an odd, odd duck whose actions were not always rational and left her aghast.
Oh, so now we're starting to see where the Elon Musk, the Elon Musk overthrow originated.
So it was Susie.
Now it sounds like it was Susie that organized and coordinated the Musk ouster.
Now, this accusation of ketamine has happened before.
Okay, whatever.
I don't think anybody would deny he's an odd duck.
Now, I would like context on what she doesn't think Musk, what about Musk was not rational?
Because it would seem to the rest of us that Musk was one of the most, if not the most rational person in there when all of this was going on.
So, what's not rational?
Doge cuts?
What's not rational?
Arresting people guilty of fraud, waste, and abuse?
What's not rational here about Elon Musk?
Sounds like the left.
It's like AOC comes out and says Musk is the dumbest billionaire on the planet.
Oh, yeah.
Perhaps the most impressive thing on the planet right now is actually landing a rocket.
Oh, yeah, that's Musk doing that.
Right.
Okay.
Not always rational.
It sounds like there's no rationality in this White House.
And it's starting to sound like Susie Wiles is partly or mostly to blame for that.
She goes after Russell Vought, the budget director, and says he is a right-wing, absolute zealot.
I thought that's what this administration was supposed to be.
Am I missing something here?
Susie Wiles is attacking Russell Vought as a right-wing zealot.
Now you get the picture.
This isn't a right-wing administration, folks.
It's very anti-right-wing, actually.
Starting to get the picture.
She said Attorney General Pam Bondi completely whiffed in handling the Epstein files.
Oh, well, golly gee, nobody noticed that.
That one, if it wasn't for Susie reporting, I don't know if we would have had that one.
And we will have more on the Bondi Epstein files debacle.
So here we go.
They also quote Wiles talking about Trump in the Epstein files.
Trump is in the file, and we know he's in the file.
He was on Epstein's plane.
He was on the manifest.
Oh, boy.
Now, this is going to lead us to the next portion here with Caroline Levitt.
Remember what Trump said at the White House last week when he had that 5G spasm, whatever that deal was, the 5G spasm thing where he was just like on a different planet.
None of what he said made any sense.
It's like if you had to use a decoder to understand what he was saying.
But remember, he thought it was about image enhancement.
So he obviously, it would appear he got 5G confused with 4K, which is the video resolution.
And now Vanity Fair comes out with these images, like zoomed in, of the cabinet members' faces.
And yeah, it's not very friendly.
It's not a friendly look.
Is this what Trump was talking about?
Now, I'm not so confident that's the case, but it is funny that this happens after he talks about that because Trump does the same thing.
Now, here's what happens here.
Now, what's strange, if you look at this closely, it'll be more obvious with Caroline Levitt, and then things start to make more sense with her.
But if you look at this closely, you know, you can see it looks like, I don't know, I don't have, I am a zero cosmetics person.
If I have a zit on my nose, I wear it proudly.
I just accept it.
So I'm zero cosmetics.
I've never worn makeup.
And you go into some of these TV studios, their makeup team like corrals you and tries to force you to wear it.
You have to be stern.
You have to be strong.
There's a lot of bullying tactics.
You have to get mean.
You have to get nasty.
And you have to say, get out of my face.
Don't touch me with that stuff.
And they run away like cockroaches.
But the women love it.
So they get the administration all dolled up for this.
And they're caking on the makeup.
And yeah, when you makeup looks good on a certain camera, makeup looks better when you're when you're using a certain camera, a cinema style camera shoot, photo shoot, whatever, when it actually looks natural with the different lights and angles and everything.
But when you zoom in and you just look at a face covered in makeup, you look like a damn demon.
You look like a damn monster.
And that's what Trump does, by the way, when he wears makeup.
He cakes it on and then they zoom in.
They call him the orange face, whatever.
It's because of all the makeup he wears.
So it's the same thing for Susie.
Now, I don't know about lip injections, but people are pointing out it looks like there's lip injection scars around her lips.
Now, she has very thin lips, so I don't know.
That doesn't really make much sense to me, but I don't know how all of that stuff works.
Maybe a woman would better understand.
But then there's Caroline Levitt, and it's much worse.
It's much worse with Levitt.
Now, Levitt is a young woman.
I think she's like 27, 28, but she cakes on the makeup for the cameras.
And you can see it here.
It's a gross look.
I'm not a makeup guy.
I actually find makeup to be extremely grotesque.
Now, to the women listening, I get it.
You got to put on some makeup.
I'm not relax.
But to me, like if you go beyond one layer of makeup, I can't say I can tolerate it.
I'm not going to be mad at you.
I'm not going to think you're ugly.
But at a certain point, it's just like, it's a turnoff.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't want to be near it.
I don't want to touch it.
I don't want it touching me.
I don't want it in my house.
It's like, if you're going to come into my house, can you please wipe that clown mask off of your face, please?
But so here's Levitt caked in the makeup.
And it's clear that, again, I don't know what this is.
It could just be a natural lip thing.
I've never seen it before.
I don't know what it is, but people are saying it looks like these are lip injection sites.
Remember what Trump said about Caroline's mouth last week?
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She's got those lips boom, boom, boom with the lips and the lips and the boom, boom, boom with the lips.
Ladies, I'll tell you what, I'll open up the chat right now.
What is that?
What is this, guys?
Is this, is this, I'm genuinely curious.
Is that does she getting lip injection?
I mean, it would appear that way.
It would appear that she is very cosmetic.
I think that she's got a lot of non-organic things on her body, let's say.
Well, people are agreeing it's lip injection, Botox, fillers.
You got set up by Susie Wiles, guys.
How does it feel?
But if you were wondering If there'd be any fallout from this, no.
The entire administration racing to her defense today.
These are kind of small, so you can't really see it in the post here from DMT, producer DMT here, but he highlighted every single member of the administration standing up for Wiles today.
So, okay, they're not blaming her.
They're standing with her.
So that's that.
Now, here's Susie Wiles response.
The article published early this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House, staff, and cabinet in history.
Yeah, what did you expect, Susie?
If your discernment is so bad that you expected anything else from Vanity Fair, then you should be fired.
Significant context was disregarded, and much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the story.
I assume after reading it that this was done to paint an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative about the president and our team.
Susie, how did you not know this?
How does Trump consider you the most powerful woman in the world and laud you with praise of how brilliant you are and you didn't know this?
You didn't know this?
How is that even possible?
I have been warning people about this in the media now that there's a new burgeoning alternative media and some of us are coming of age.
They're constantly getting reached out for interviews and quotes for stories.
And people just ask me, they're like, hey, you know, how do you deal with that?
Do you have any recommendations?
And I always say, just don't give them anything that you don't want them to print and just assume that everything you say to them is going to be taken out of context.
Now, how do I know that?
And Susie Wiles doesn't.
Is she that ignorant?
Is she that dumb?
Did she just get played by Vanity Fair?
How can you keep this around?
If this is her level of discernment, how can you keep this around?
This is an F.
This is imbecile level discernment right here.
And then she goes on with the same thing: greatest White House in the history of the world.
If you didn't see this one, Susie, what are we doing here?
This is just first-grade level, and you didn't pass the test.
No wonder why this administration is a disaster when that's your chief of staff.
Caroline Levitt, chief of staff Susie Wiles has helped President Trump achieve the most successful first 11 months in office of any president in American history.
Oh, I'm so sick of it.
I'm so sick of it.
Trump has no greater or more loyal advisor than Susie.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of loyalty there.
More loyalty there than to the American people.
More loyalty there to the people that fought for Trump and suffered for Trump and took significant amount of loss for Trump.
No loyalty there, but to Susie, who can't even pass a first-grade media literacy test.
The entire administration is grateful for her steady leadership and United fully behind her.
Steady leadership.
Steady is definitely not a word I think anybody would use to describe this White House.
Chaotic, a mess, a disaster, disloyal, betrayal.
You know, in fairness, there were some good news stories today.
Federal jobs numbers are declining at a significant rate, meaning we're not hiring federal employees anymore.
That was good.
What was the other good one?
There was another good one in the news today.
There was that one.
I forget about the other one.
These things seem to just kind of come and go, not much significance.
All right, we're shrinking the size of the federal government, but not really.
We're just giving it to the private donors.
We're not actually sinking this, shrinking the size of the federal government.
We're just disguising it in the donor and special interest class instead.
That's what we're doing.
Now, JD Vance took a question on this.
He was speaking to the public today.
JD Vance took a question on this.
And here was his candid, I'd say, response: Vice President Jacob Bogage from the Washington Post.
Unfortunately, I have to ask a bit of an off-topic question from affordability because news events do intervene.
And that is the interviews that White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles gave to Vanity Fair, in which she's quoted as referring to you as, excuse me, and again, not my word, sir, but a conspiracy theorist of a decade and described your transformation from someone who once opposed President Trump to now his vice president as an act of political expediency.
And I'd like to give you the chance to respond to that, sir.
This is where the administration, except maybe JD Vance, quite frankly, except maybe JD Vance.
This is where the administration is batting zero.
They don't understand where the political discourse is in America.
They don't understand the issues, what people are thinking, what people are talking about.
Why did you get such a big round of applause there?
Because now a lot of people on the right have embraced the idea of being a conspiracy theorist.
Now, a lot of people on the right look at the word conspiracy theory as either a term of endearment or an attack from somebody that cannot defend themselves in a debate.
He says, oh, yeah, we believe in the conspiracy theories.
They came true.
Crowd erupts.
It's like, what happens at these TPUSA events when people speak?
What happens at these town halls when people ask questions?
What happens at these debate forums when certain geopolitical topics break up?
Where is the loudest round of applause?
I think Vance gets it.
Now, he might be kind of measuring his approach to all of this, but it's like, yeah, people believe in conspiracy theories.
They don't believe Epstein killed himself.
Yeah, people don't like the foreign policy.
These are the things that get the biggest reaction from these right-wing crowds now.
And the administration is trying to tamp it down and get it away.
And by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time.
For example, I believe in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask three-year-olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let them develop some language skills.
You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to do the job.
And I believed in the conspiracy theory that Joe Biden was trying to throw his political opponents in jail rather than win an argument against his political opponents.
So at least on some of these conspiracy theories, it turns out that a conspiracy theory is just something that was true six months before the media admitted it.
And that's my understanding.
Now, look, I do want to say something about Susie, though, because again, having not read this article, Susie is a person I've come to know very, very well.
And, you know, a lot of you probably ask yourself, what is it like behind the scenes?
What's going on actually behind the scenes of the Trump administration?
And I'll tell you, the president is exactly in private who he is in public.
Like, I'll tell you a little story.
A few, maybe actually a week or so ago, I walk into the Oval Office and Marco and I are sitting there talking with the president about something.
He says, Stop.
And he looks at our shoes and says, You guys have terrible shoes.
So he goes and gets a shoe catalog.
Now, remember, this is the Christmas season, so the president's got some holiday cheer.
He goes against the shoe catalog and gets his favorite shoes and orders like four pairs of shoes for me and four pairs of shoes for Marco because he's like, you know, we need our vice president or secretary of state to look their very best.
And, you know, then we went back to talking about whatever major, you know, international issue we were talking about.
Again, he is exactly in private who he is in public.
That's not true of most people in Washington, D.C.
It's not.
And I've seen so many people who will say one thing to the president's face, Democrats and Republicans, and then will do the exact opposite behind the scenes.
And what you want in a staffer is a person who understands they are there to effectuate the will of the American people, and they're there to follow the orders of the duly elected commander-in-chief of the United States.
We're going to come back with there's some developing news right now with the Department of War and Rubio and the boat strikes, developing news on the Brown shooting, where the suspect is still at large.
What is Kash Patel up to?
We'll update you on all of that coming up on the other side of this hour break.
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All right, I got a couple developing things happening right now.
I'm, as I'm live here, I'm working on a couple of guests.
One that's a big guest that I just heard back from today, a very big guest.
We're trying to lock down for the show this week.
And then I was getting into a debate on X with an account called Green Beret Nap Time.
Actually, I wouldn't even say it was a debate.
He was just attacking me.
He didn't even make any points or counterpoints to what I was saying.
But now I'm trying to get him in.
So, hey, if you want to debate me, I'll have you on the show.
I've already lined up a couple of guys for a debate that come after me on X.
So let's see if old Green Beret Nap Time wants to step up to the plate.
We are now in touch.
I have now sent him the invite.
Let's see.
Let's see.
You know, it's amazing.
By the way, they got an update in this Brown situation.
They've now got an enhanced video, multiple videos of the suspected shooter that's still on the loose.
It's amazing.
This guy looks like a fat, dumpy, Probably foreigner, and he's still out there.
They can't find him.
Well, where's Kash Patel?
Where is Kash Patel?
We got an update for you on that.
know, it's funny.
I just, it's crazy.
Honestly, it's crazy that this is where we're at.
Now, it's healthy, and I, and I always suspected that this would be the case.
Don't get me wrong.
And if you've been following my work for years, you know that I said that this is where American politics is going to go, that the right will become populist, and then there will be the split within the right, and the left will just be not in, they're not involved anymore.
And then the right wing will have their debates about their issues.
But I didn't expect it to be so lowbrow.
I thought it would be a little more intellectual, a little more informed as far as the debates.
But now it's just like debating leftists, quite frankly.
Debating the new cultists and neocons that have emerged that are now claiming to be MAGA, debating them is just like debating leftists.
They don't have any original thoughts.
Their responses are completely predictable.
So I'll just stop right there for now.
But this seems to be where I'm going.
This is my direction now.
The cuck destroyer is now aimed at the right-wing cucks.
Wow.
Who had that on their bingo card?
Get ready.
Get ready.
So waiting to hear back on that situation.
So where is Kash Patel?
Anyway, as the Brown University shooter is still on the loose, Kash Patel is with his girlfriend and they're doing the Katie Miller podcast.
How about that?
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We are so excited to be joined by Cash and his girlfriend.
Miller podcast.
You're not your policy theory.
No.
And then how did we get to are you a massage agent?
You know, that's a great question.
Where's her ring?
Just to clarify.
How often has he traveled to see you since January 20th?
Is there been one moment where you can't make this happen?
While there is a shooter on the loose, I think that that's all great, isn't it?
I think that that's all fantastic.
The president of Mexico is taking an issue with President Trump today.
Mexican president criticizes U.S. move, labeling fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction.
Isn't that amazing?
Well, it's the same propaganda to start a war with Venezuela.
They were like, all right, drug boats aren't working.
What should we do next?
Well, let's just take the oil.
Well, okay, taking the oil didn't really, that really didn't hit either.
What should we do now?
Well, you know, we did the weapons of mass destruction thing that worked really well in the Middle East.
We just bring it to Venezuela.
Yeah, let's just do that.
The people are stupid.
American voters are stupid.
Republicans are stupid.
So let's just try that one.
They didn't fall for the drugs.
They didn't really get too excited about the oil tanker.
So let's say weapons of mass destruction again.
Let's try to start another war over weapons of mass destruction.
That'll be great.
That's MAGA, baby.
That's Trump, baby.
Yeah, we're fighting the establishment totally, man.
We're fighting the establishment.
This is different.
It's different this time.
No, it's literally the exact same.
Now they're saying weapons of mass destruction.
It is quite literally the exact same, actually.
Now, why would the Mexican president care?
Why would the Mexican president care?
Because most of the fentanyl.
Because more than 90%, the official government numbers are 95% of the fentanyl in America comes from Mexico and comes from the Mexican cartels that mostly run the country, it seems.
The whole thing about Venezuela fentanyl lie, folks.
It was a lie.
And there was a heated exchange.
There was a heated exchange moments ago with Hegzeth and Rubio in the press of why they're not releasing the double tap video.
Well, it's obvious.
It's obvious why they're not releasing the double tap video.
They don't want the public to see people swimming around just trying to survive and then getting killed.
And then the pressure and the drama and the situation surrounding those circumstances would only be worse.
So, of course, they're not going to release it.
And so it was all an act.
But Trump was smart when he said, well, they can do whatever they want with it.
And the media tried to pin him to a commitment there and he wouldn't do it.
So Trump was smart not to commit to that because of course, of course, they're not going to release it.
It was probably a war crime.
It was probably a total war crime.
So of course they don't want you to see their war crimes.
And now the Mexican president is saying, wait a second, don't call fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction because that's where the fentanyl comes from, folks.
Now, I don't know if the Mexican president is sitting back here thinking, oh, is this administration about to go to war with us?
Is this administration about to go to war with the Mexican cartels?
Or are they just going to continue the propaganda to start the war in Venezuela for oil and regime change?
I'm friendly.
The Mexican regime is friendly with the Trump administration.
They're friendly for the geopolitical world order.
They're not expecting pressure.
The fentanyl can come over from Mexico all day long.
As long as we're all cooperating in the same geopolitical agenda, then it's okay.
So maybe she's a little afraid now that Trump is taking on fentanyl, knowing that it all comes from Mexico.
But they're using the exact same propaganda: weapons of mass destruction.
Relax, President Scheinbaum.
He's not targeting you.
You're protected.
He's not going after the Mexican cartels.
This is all a big stunt to try to get regime change war in Venezuela or make Maduro submit so that U.S. oil companies can come in and start pumping their oil, which I don't really think Maduro could do.
That might spark some form of a revolution against him.
So I don't really know if he can pay that price with this Western alliance now forming against him.
But you can relax, Scheinbaum.
Don't worry.
You're just fine.
You will be protected.
Now, this was just a couple of the headlines today ahead of that press conference with Rubio and Hegzeth.
Pentagon escalates review into Senator Kelly over illegal orders video.
I don't know if they're really going to do anything about this.
I don't even know if they can.
But their bigger concern now, folks, is did they commit war crimes with these boat strikes?
Believe me, that's their bigger concern.
And it should be, actually.
And it is.
But so they're kind of throwing that out there just to distract you.
And then there was this odd story.
Pentagon plans, Pentagon plan calls for major power shifts within U.S. military.
If adopted, the changes would complement other efforts by the Trump administration to move resources away from the Middle East and Europe.
Now, there's been an ongoing story here about how Trump is trying to get troops out of Europe, get troops out of the Middle East.
And then every time where it's like, okay, it's time to start this, something happens to keep them there.
There's always something right before he's ready to make a move or make a commitment to bringing these troops home.
Something happens and he has to keep them there.
In fact, it just happened today.
Now they're saying, well, if you want to end the Russia-Ukraine war, you have to keep the troops in Europe.
How convenient.
How convenient.
And everybody knows Trump is prioritizing these peace deals.
He wants that to kind of be his big legacy, I think, is the peace deals.
So he's trying to get the peace deal done.
He's trying to bring the troops home.
And they say, well, you can't have both, Mr. President.
You can't have both.
So again, this has been kind of an ongoing story about Trump trying to bring the troops home, get the troops out of Europe, get the troops out of the Middle East.
And it's like every time when he's ready to make that initiative, every time when he's ready to make that next move, something happens and keeps him from doing it.
So it looks like it's just more of the same here, which means something is going to happen in the Middle East.
Something is going to happen in Ukraine, and Trump is going to be forced to keep the troops there.
That's what that means.
Seen this play way too many times, ladies and gentlemen.
Meanwhile, if you're in California, you're about to get some bad news, I think.
Valero's billion-dollar exit.
Newsom's regulations fuel California's gas crisis.
Multiple oil refineries are leaving California.
In fact, the biggest, actually, the biggest oil refineries are leaving California.
Valero's $1.1 billion Benincia refinery exit by April 2026, driven by Gavin Newsom's regulations, threatens 8.6% of California's gas supply, job losses, and $1.21 per gallon hikes.
So I think you already have the most expensive gas in California.
And now you're about to go up even more because of Newsom's policies forcing the oil refineries out of California.
They would rather pay, because this is how it's going to go.
They're going to pay a billion dollars to leave the state.
They would rather pay a billion dollars to get out of California than have to deal with the regulations anymore.
That's how bad it is.
And they're anticipating over a dollar increase in the price of gasoline per gallon.
Golden State Exodus, Valero burns $1 billion just to get out of California.
California just lost another giant.
This one came with a billion-dollar receipt.
Valero Energy is reportedly taking a staggering $1 billion loss to shut down and exit California by April 2026 rather than comply with the ever-expanding mandates pushed by Governor Gavin Newsom and his regulatory agencies.
Pretty incredible stuff.
Boy, oh boy, what do you do if you're in California?
What do you do to avoid that?
And, you know, there's another ongoing ongoing phenomenon, a story that's not getting too much coverage.
But I think a lot of people bought these electric vehicles and they didn't really do all of their research.
Go figure.
Americans making a purchase off of a feel-good emotion and not doing their research.
So, what's been happening now after this rush on EVs is a lot of these cars are ending up in junkyards because they can't sell them and they can't pay for the new battery.
The economy is not very good, and so they can't afford the new battery, which can cost more than $10,000 for a new car battery.
Now, if you're driving a car and you're looking at a $10,000 expense, for most people, they're not going to do it.
Or maybe they have some form of a warranty on an engine or transmission, which is usually what these high-cost repairs would be.
So they're able to kind of get it covered.
It's not so expensive.
But usually, something like that, you're probably not paying it.
But the problem is the cars won't run.
So, and they won't sell.
So, they can't afford the new battery.
They can't sell the car and the car doesn't run.
So, they end up in these lots.
And then they're just sitting there on the market, 10 grand, 12 grand, 15 grand, like for some of them, like 30, 40 grand under value, but nobody will buy them because nobody wants to buy the new battery.
I'm not hearing too much about that.
You're not hearing too much about the AI issues either.
We go to the other side and we go to the East Coast, we go to Florida, Ron DeSantis gets it.
Listen to what he's talking about when it comes to the emerging AI economy.
And, you know, a hyperscale data center is using enough power that'd be the equivalent of a city of a half a million people.
And at some of the bigger ones, maybe even more than that.
You also have a lot of water consumption.
You have a big geographic footprint, which has environmental concerns.
And so you have all these things.
And, you know, our point of view is: you know, you should not have to pay one dime more in utility costs, water, power, any of this stuff because of this.
These are some of the most wealthy companies in the history of humanity.
They should not be able to offload costs onto people that are already strapped with high costs in other areas.
And so, you know, making sure that Floridians are protected against that, you know, I think is really, really important.
And I know a lot of people agree with that.
You know, the thing about the data centers is there's not really a big economic impact once they're created.
Like, yeah, if it's constructed, people can make some money doing that.
Obviously, there may be some jobs that can go.
But once it's done, it employs like a half dozen people.
And, you know, these tech companies will likely bring in foreigners to do that on some visa, or they're not going to hire from your local community.
That's just not what they do.
So, you know, from that, I think a lot of these communities are not supporting the construction in their area when they go before these boards now because they're thinking, like, okay, it's sucking a lot of resources, but is this really something that we need in our community?
Is it something that's going to benefit the community?
And by and large, you know, this is across party lines.
I think people are saying no dice on that.
So, so I do think that I think there's been a big sea change in how people have thought about that just in the last six to nine months.
And, you know, it may be that some of the protections we have end up being moot because it's just not something that's going to get any traction in Florida, period.
And, but at the end of the day, this is not something that you should ever have to pay for.
We also, man, I got to tell you, you know, Ron DeSantis, I think he's going to make a serious run here, guys.
I think DeSantis is a very serious contender in 2028.
And even though he kind of spent his wand early and he got bad advice to run against Trump in 2024, and that hurt him, I think he's recovered from that.
I think he's made up whatever ground that he's lost.
And now he's starting to emerge on the other side.
Now he's got now he's getting back into the green.
Now he's getting back into the positive.
After, so really, it was Florida and their success fighting against all the COVID tyranny.
And DeSantis, with just basic common sense freedom initiatives for Florida leading the way, when we went through that authoritarianism, that's when he kind of emerged.
It was like, okay, this guy can be president.
But he got bad advice or he thought to himself, now's the time to do it when he should have waited till after Trump.
Now, in hindsight, you might say, dang, depending on what you think about this administration, but it's all said and done.
I got to tell you, though, I'm sitting here and I made this analogy the other day.
And I know I'm not alone.
I'm really excited for what is going to happen in 2028.
I really am.
And the analogy I made was this is like a sports season.
And, you know, obviously, this isn't sports season where you say you're mathematically eliminated.
But I mean, it seems like this administration, it seems like we know what it is and we know what it isn't now.
I mean, it's, we seem pretty confident of what we are going to get and what we aren't going to get from this administration.
Now, it could turn around.
It could still turn around.
Quite frankly, it's going to have to turn around.
But right now, it looks like a lost cause.
Right now, it looks like the season is over.
There's no postseason.
There's no Super Bowl champion.
There's no victory parade.
There's none of that.
It's just same old neocon garbage, same bad foreign policy.
They're eventually going to crack down on speech, crack down on the Second Amendment, more foreign wars, just all the same garbage.
No deep state arrests.
So, what this does now is it creates such a hyper-intense void for 2028 in a new Republican Party platform, which is not so controlled by political correctness.
And if you go back to the debates where you had Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley on the stage, and you remember some of those fireworks, I think 2028 is going to be wild.
I mean, you see what Ron DeSantis says.
He doesn't mince words.
He tells it as it is.
He's not concerned about political correctness.
Same thing with Vivek Ramaswamy.
Who knows who else might emerge in 2028?
Can you imagine if there's a Marjorie Taylor Greene up there, a Thomas Massey up there?
It's going to be some of the most healthy political discussion that we've ever seen during a presidential debate.
And I'm very much looking forward to it.
What sucks is that it's so far away, right?
It's so far away.
And here we are stuck with this administration, like, oh boy, here we go.
What are we getting today?
And then, you know, it happens.
You're like, well, okay, I'm looking forward to next year now.
It's like, all right, we're looking forward to next year.
We're looking forward to next season.
It seems like a lot of people are starting to cross that bridge, cross that threshold, and just saying, okay, this administration is what it is.
What are we looking at for 2028?
What are we looking at for the future of the Republican Party?
But I anticipate the Republican field in 2028 is going to be heavy and it is going to lack a certain political correctness to a degree that I don't think we've ever seen before.
And really, you could say that Trump kind of shattered it in 2016.
He kind of shattered that paradigm.
But he was still the only one on the stage that was willing to go there.
Now, you're going to have five or six people on the debate stage that are willing to go there and then start pressing the limits of how far they're willing to go.
But I guess the question is, for the time being, what will we even have left at that point?
What will we even have left of a country in 2028?
Pam Bondi, oh boy.
Boy, oh boy.
Bill and Hillary Clinton deposition and Jeffrey Epstein investigation pushed back to next month.
Won't be hearing from them.
And if that's a trend or a pattern of things to come, I don't anticipate you will be getting the Epstein list this week, even though by law they are supposed to release the Epstein files this Friday or by this Friday.
I don't think they're going to do it.
And if they do, it'll be so heavily redacted that it'll virtually be worthless.
But as we talk about the failures of Pam Bondi and the complete swing and a miss on the Epstein files, folks, let's go back.
Let's go back to this spring when Bondi was doing all the Epstein hype.
Let's go back a few months ago and remember what Bondi was saying then compared to what's happening now in regards to the Epstein files.
You were expecting more and you didn't find out less than 24 hours before the release, you got a and I love how con ink and I love how the neoconservatives and conc oh they all cared.
Remember, oh, we all cared about the FC files.
We're all in.
We're all getting the FC files.
It's going to be great.
We're all behind it.
Go, go, go.
And then slowly but surely the attitude started to change in the White House.
Slowly but surely, the attitude was, oh, it's a hoax.
You're not getting anything.
And then Con Inc., the neocons, Con Inc., the MAGA cult, they all just went along for the ride and they don't care anymore either.
And you're looking at these documents going, these aren't all the Epstein files.
You know, there were flight logs.
There were names and victims' names.
And we're going, where's the rest of the stuff?
And that's what the FBI had turned over to us.
And so a source said, whoa, all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of New York.
So based on that, I gave them the deadline Friday at 8, a truckload of evidence arrived.
It's now in the possession of the FBI.
Cash is going to get me and himself, really, a detailed report as to why all these documents and evidence had been withheld.
And, you know, we're going to go through it, go through it as fast as we can, but go through it very cautiously to protect all the victims of Epstein because there are a lot of victims.
And then here comes Neocon Republican intelligence propaganda control asset Sean Hannity getting ready to build the narrative that guess what, though, you're not going to get anything.
Isn't it perfect?
So after Bondi fluffs her gums about how you're going to get everything.
And get it out to the American people because the American people have a right to know, not only on that, but on Kennedy, on Martin Luther King, on all of these cases that the Biden administration has just sat on for all these years.
You guys are admitting your total frauds and the people that support this crap are total cultists, total sellouts, total phonies.
We're getting somewhere then.
Not seeming to get the Epstein files, but okay.
It's also hard to believe.
It's just like, how can this be real?
Are you really not going to give us the files?
Are you really going to pretend like you didn't say all of that?
Are the Trump supporters really going to pretend like they weren't all gung-ho about this too?
Are we really going to pretend like this isn't a big issue?
Maybe they will deliver.
Supposed to do it by Friday.
I'd like to think that there's some sort of a strategy happening here, but I've had no proof of that through now five years of a Trump administration that they strategize anything, really.
All right, let's get into some economic clips here.
I've got a series of clips as we close out the second hour.
I've got a series of clips here dealing with the economy, the reality of the economy.
We're going to hear about rent.
We're going to hear about insurance.
But this is the reality of maybe a majority of Americans right now that are going through financial hardship, going through financial stress.
This is a majority of Americans.
And if it's not a majority, it's very near being a majority.
And so that's why this administration is so out of touch, or Trump himself is so out of touch when he continues to try to tell you how great the economy is while the average American is sitting here looking at their bills, looking at their budget, wondering how they're going to make it, having to go deep into debt, credit card debt, what have you, just to get by another month.
So we're going to go into some of these videos now.
Let's start with this woman and what's happening with her health care costs.
So this is just the, essentially, it's, it's the screenshot of that woman was talking about how for this bronze, this is the bronze family plan for over 2,000 a month.
It's amazing watching the entire fraud system, the entire scam system that Americans have been forced into, which again, it's like when you can afford it, you kind of just do it.
It's like, all right, I can afford it.
I can still afford my lifestyle, so you don't make as much of a fuss.
But now nobody can afford it.
Now nobody can afford it.
So they're looking into it and they're saying, what the hell is going on?
I can't afford this.
And then they're saying, okay, the whole thing is a scam.
This whole country is broken.
So you have to wonder: is the system collapsing organically?
Is this system designed for collapse?
Is this all happening right now for a reason to bring us into something else?
But that's what's happening.
And by the way, I think it was Stephen Moore, who's a member of the Trump administration, who is bashing younger generations.
Of course, you know, boomer class, everything's our fault.
And I got to say, I got to say this, I don't even know how to properly frame this or box this other than just maybe go from the gut.
What the older generations have left for their lineage is really sad, to put it lightly.
The older generations have left their kids and grandkids with an absolute mess, with an absolute nightmare.
And then they just turn around and say, oh, you're lazy.
Oh, you don't want to work.
Oh, it's your fault.
Meanwhile, Gen X millennials were sitting here like, what are you talking about?
We did exactly what you wanted us to do.
We did exactly what you told us to do.
We graduated.
We went to college.
We got a degree.
We did whatever we had to do to do it.
We got into the workplace.
And now we're broke.
There's no jobs.
We're in record debt.
The cost of living is skyrocketed.
And then the older generations that left them with this mess, that left them with this nightmare, that allowed our political system to get this corrupt, by the way.
And then they sit there and they blame you for it.
And I actually did a brief speaking tour just because I knew some people in young schools when I was working high school and college sports gigs.
And I was able to meet people that worked at universities or that worked at these high schools, you know, principals, Dina students, whatnot.
I'd meet them and they liked me and they'd say, hey, would you come speak to my communications class?
Would you come speak to my PR class, my journalism class, my internet media class, whatever.
So I did a small series of speaking events when I was working in college sports and high school sports.
And I basically had the same message to all of them, which was kind of, you know, kind of anti-college in a way.
But I remember I said, look, you can study and you can get your degrees and get good grades.
And that's good.
And that's good experience.
And it'll help you on a resume for a couple of years when you're looking for an entry-level job.
But really, the new media is an independent media.
And the new process is building your own thing.
Folks, I realized that when I was like 23, 24.
And the reason why I bring up her master's in journalism, I had a rare case where I got accepted into the journalism school at the University of Missouri, Mizzou.
It's one of the top journalism schools in the country.
I had a rare, I was one of the rare people that got accepted as a freshman.
There was a small handful of us.
We all became friends.
And it didn't take long through that process.
And this is somebody who I did writing and editing for three years in high school.
I did video reporting, editing, started a whole morning news program at my high school.
So it was like, I kind of already learned all this stuff.
And I get in there and I'm in the journalism school and I'm like, there's just nothing for me here.
There's nothing for me here.
I'm not going to go into this master's program, spend six years in this expensive program.
I'm not going to do it.
I don't want to do it.
And so I dropped out of the J school and people were stunned.
They couldn't believe it.
So it's not worth my time.
This isn't how the media works anymore.
I can go write a story right now on the internet and publish it and probably get more views than the average person that went through this program and writes for the local news here in Columbia, Missouri.
So I was an idiot, right?
I'm an idiot dropping out of J school.
And I just transferred to psychology because I liked it.
And quite frankly, it was really easy for me to get straight A's in psychology with very little effort.
So that was kind of my motivation there.
I liked it.
It was easy.
But then you get the degree in psychology.
You're like, well, I'm not going to do anything with this.
So I wanted a media degree.
So I got the media studies degree.
It took me about six years, worked up a bunch of debt.
But that's what I'm saying.
It's like you, you, now it's almost like college is more of a detriment.
Unless you're going to be an engineer, a doctor, you know, some of these fields, most college education is detrimental to your actual growth and starting your career, especially in media.
Media may be one of the better examples, but business, any of that stuff.
And so it's funny when I'm, when I'm seeing this girl, because I know so many exactly like her.
I remember so many students exactly like that when I was in college.
It's like, no, I just got to go to school and get good grades and get the degrees.
And I'm sitting here shaking my head like, okay.
It's like, I'm no better.
I'm coming out with debt too, but that ain't going to do it for you.
Oh, you're going to go get a master's degree.
Oh, you're going to go get a second degree.
Oh, oh, you're going to go into college for eight years and $150,000 in debt.
Oh, how are you going to pay it off?
Well, I'm going to get a great job.
Oh, have you, have you looked at the job market?
Have you even, have you even been in the job market before?
No, I'm a college student.
Oh, okay.
So I don't feel bad.
I warned the kids I talked to.
Here's one.
This is how bad it is in California.
College students can't even afford a place to live.
They can't even afford a place to live.
So people are living in their cars.
Now, this is wild to me because anybody that's been to a big university knows every once in a while there's a guy that needs a place to crash for some time or whatever.
So the places where I lived in college for my first couple of years, we almost always had an extra body sleeping, living on the couch until they figured out what they were going to do.
Homeless college students have this exclusive campus parking lot so they can sleep in their cars at night.
And in California, there's been multiple bills that want this at your college also.
This is Long Beach City College.
The program here also offers these students showers, Wi-Fi, food, and all-night security.
It also has referral programs for jobs and to find more permanent housing.
Around 70 students at this college sleep in their cars at night.
California has become so unaffordable that last year, one in four community college students reported homelessness and 10% of state school students reported homelessness.
I talked to one of these students here who does Uber Eats while also going to classes.
She's also juggling multiple job interviews.
I really need to express this.
What you see here is not laziness.
What you're seeing here is years of failed state policies when it's so expensive or difficult to build housing in the state.
These are people trying to pursue a higher education with whatever means they can, even in these conditions, to hopefully obtain a better life.
I've also been told by multiple people here that they've seen success stories through this program and have seen people get back up on their feet.
Over the past two years, two bills have been introduced to make this a statewide program required at all community and state colleges.
California is one of the best places on earth, but you know it's been a bad few years when your state's best solutions to its problems start looking to zytopia.
And I want to get back into the show content here, why the economy is so bad.
But I just figured I'd address this because I'm getting called a liar and a coward and scared and all of this stuff from this Green Beret nap time account.
And he says that I'm scared of him and I won't have him on my show.
And now he's doing an entire show dedicated to me being scared.
So I just sent the folks, I sent him the invite.
I literally invited him on the show today multiple times through X replies, and then I sent him a direct message.
So as he's literally on air saying that I won't invite him on the show, doing a whole stream saying that I'm too scared of him, I have to post a screenshot.
So I posted the screenshot.
It's now been an hour, maybe more, since I sent him the invite.
And he literally, he literally started a live stream more than half an hour after I sent him the invite.
So I send him an invite to come on my show, and then he starts a live stream saying I'm too scared to have him on my show.
You guys, look, I appreciate any man that is willing to debate.
I love it.
In fact, it happens a lot.
I disagree with somebody on X.
We have a passionate debate and we say, let's have a debate and a stream.
And we get it done.
I got two of those coming up before Christmas.
I respect that.
I like that.
I like being able.
It's very important to me to be able to have passionate disagreements and political discussions and, you know, clink glasses and break bread at the end of it and say, okay, man-to-man, we did this.
But I'm not going to sit here and just get lied about.
I'm not going to sit here and let this person say that I didn't invite them on the show when there's literally a message in their inbox with the invite.
I'll send them the link.
I'll even send him the link just to make it even more fun.
I'm sending him the link right now.
There you go.
I have now sent him the link to come into this show.
Look at this.
Here, look.
I almost don't even want to say it because I don't want to hurt my own cause here.
But it's just like, clearly these people have no idea who they're dealing with.
Like, who do you think I am?
Do you have any idea who I am?
I'm afraid of a debate.
Look at this, guys.
Look at this.
He's literally on air.
He did an entire stream saying that I'm scared to debate him as the invite.
He's on air right now.
As the invite is sitting in his inbox, literally the invite.
He's doing a whole show dedicated to me saying I'm too scared to debate him when he's the one that called me out and I responded and sent him a debate invite.
And he has the link to come into the studio right now in his inbox.
Literally.
It's not even worth your time.
It's so, it's so stupid.
It's so pathetic.
It's so cuckservative.
But there you go.
Here we go.
All right.
I'm interrupting my show now to bring you on because we had an agreement today and you called me scared while the invite was sitting in your inbox.
I mean, obviously, the goal is never to kill women and children, but when you're prosecuting a war against a terrorist organization in an urban environment, especially in one in such a small area as Gaza, there's going to be casualties that happen.
And Hamas hides behind civilian podcasts.
And Hamas keeps them from leaving from targeted buildings even after roof knockers, even after they've been told that there's going to be a strike coming.
So you're being disingenuous about this whole thing.
And then you're coming off all super strong.
Like if we were sitting in a room together right now, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be acting as tough as you are.
But I'll allow that to happen because it's a little bit ridiculous that you're going to sit here and say that there was a hint that there was a genocide and start throwing out numbers.
You want to throw out numbers?
How many people did we kill in Tokyo firebombing alone in 48 hours?
You are legit a populist and you've been a populist since you were at InfoWars and you're still doing all that same stuff today and you're still pushing all of the same propaganda.
But since you asked, since you asked, I'll go like this.
How is it that Israel is able to penetrate Iran to such a specific degree that they can put a miniature explosive device on all of its targets in Iran, but they can't operate systematically in Gaza to spare innocent lives?
If we did not have Israel, if we did not have Israel there, we would have to man, we would have to either have carriers or we would have to man more bases with our own tax dollars and our own boots on the ground to ensure that all everything in the Middle East remained how it is.
So despite that, how much strategy, how much strategy and planning experience do you have?
Notice how you framed your question to me about giving money to Israel or whatever.
You were like, oh, so you, you stand behind killing babies.
And that's, you know what that is?
That's what a leftist does.
That's exactly what a leftist does.
And that's what you are.
That's absolutely what you are.
You're a chameleon.
You're going to hide and you're going to play this game.
But at the end of the, whenever it comes, time is due, you're going to fall in and you're going to go with whoever is in power because that's the kind of person.
No, I'm making a very strong point that America doesn't need Israel.
America needs to decouple from the Middle East.
And the America way of life and standard has gone nothing but negative and downwards since we got involved in the Middle East and since we started working with Israel on domestic issues in America have nothing to do with our foreign policy in the Middle East.
Do you really want to talk about like the strategy of the world?
Well, we can go over it.
This is the last thing I did in the army was theater level planning, theater level planning for theater level campaigns and the strategy involved with all of that.
We actually almost, if we hadn't joined World War II and hadn't catapulted from there, our industry and everything would have plummeted and we would have went.
I'm doing a lot of bonus streams, including tonight, a bit of an announcement tonight.
Nothing too consequential, just a bit of announcement as far as the show is concerned with a sponsor and then a subject matter that for me, I've been talking about experimenting with for a long time.
It's now a normal thing for me.
But we landed a new sponsor, and I'm going to be making that announcement later tonight and then talking about this.
So we're going to have a bonus stream later tonight.
But we're going to take calls the rest of the way.
Wow.
Fun show here.
Fun show in the last hour.
So you're on the line.
Remember, single line.
It's me and you.
So I just ask you, what's your name and where you're from?
The debate on, like, this guy's trying to debate, or I don't know, it's like Islamophobia and it's like Islamics are taking over the Western civilization.
Well, I always say, no, because here's what that is.
Here's what that is.
And I'm glad you asked that, because here's what that is.
Whenever there's somebody that has a disagreement with me on X, and not just, you know, I'm not talking about some random anonymous with no followers, whatever.
I mean, somebody that has a significant presence, a significant following that I've seen, I've seen around before.
I see other people that follow him.
They get some, you know, they have a little traction there.
And there's others, by the way, whenever they raise an issue with me on X or debate me or whatever, I always invite them on the show.
It's a policy of mine.
I don't shy from debate.
I embrace debate.
I like debate.
I think it's healthy.
And so that's just a policy.
So when I saw him, you know, debating me or whatever and going off on this tirade on X and calling me a liar, I said, hey, come on the show then.
Come on the show.
And I got a couple more of these coming up.
I got one next week with David Kate.
Same thing.
We debate on X. He's going to come on the show.
Now, I would imagine with David, it's going to be a lot more cordial than that because David is a respectful person as far as our communications are concerned.
I don't know about Green Beret nap time.
He didn't seem interested in showing any respect, but okay, that's fine.
So that's why that is.
That's why I do that.
Is because I embrace debate.
I like debate.
I think it's healthy.
And I think it's good for people to see both sides.
And it helps them to decide maybe where they might end up on an issue.
Is the way the IDF fighting the war going to inspire or deter Islamicism in Palestine in the long term?
Well, I would say that that's the problem.
And that's why we have to decouple from the Middle East because nobody's toning it down.
Nobody's trying to tone it down.
And even though I think from the Muslim or Arab side and the Israel Jewish side, even though there's plenty of people that don't want to have these wars and don't have hatred in their heart, maybe even most of them, there's enough people with power and influence that want it to continue.
And so it does.
And as each side escalates, they pass on that generational hatred, that generational pain, and it just goes on and on and on.
And now, unfortunately, the United States of America is trapped in this cycle of war and hate and death and destruction.
The American Christian, the American citizen is now smack dab, forced into it, and it sucks.
That's the problem.
Turn 5252.
He's manifesting.
I don't know.
Well, that was during that debate, so I'm not sure exactly what he was meaning there.
Brother Fly Lineage, self-owning.
Yeah.
I would say he definitely was a lot of self-owning there.
I'd have to go back and watch.
I don't have the time.
But there were definitely moments where it was just like I would ask a question and it was just like, okay.
Anthony Aguilar.
Chase Hill on the right side is a washout, ignorant bigot who couldn't hack it in Army SF and was kicked out.
He's an unhinged misogynist and a liar.
Is that, oh, oh, that's the Green Beret nap time?
I didn't know his name.
His name is Chase.
Does he try to keep that private?
If so, I'm sorry.
I respect people that want to keep their privacy private.
I didn't know that that was who that was.
So I don't know much about him.
I don't claim to know much about him.
I assumed he was a veteran since his name is Green Beret Nap Time.
And I know he has a decently large X account that gets pretty good traction.
And then he was calling me a liar.
But that was pretty much the extent of that.
He goes on here.
He says, this is still Anthony Aguilar.
He understands nothing of the Middle East or world affairs.
His knowledge is based on white supremacy.
He's an idiot.
We spent over $20 trillion.
He's a liar, shill, bigot, racist, ignorant douche.
I don't know about his army record or leaving the army.
I don't know.
So I can't comment on that.
Netanyahu threatened 9-11 exactly in Congress from turn 5-2-5-2.
Well, he did say Netanyahu did predict, I think it was a couple months before, that radical Islamic terrorists would fly planes into the Twin Towers.
There was also a CIA report that Bin Laden would do it specifically.
I'm sure that's all just a coincidence, nothing to see here.
Aguilar, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Anthony.
It looks like you had a couple things to say while it was live.
I just don't check the super chats till the end of the show.
Says this was directed at the guest.
You're a disgrace to the special forces regiment.
Keep your racist, bigoted views to yourself.
You're disgusting.
I don't even know about that stuff.
Again, I just saw him attacking me on X and said, let's talk about it.
So I don't know if this person knows about it, but that's stuff I don't know about.
I should have asked him if he got 7K, Fifth Elemento, Fifth Elemento.
Ask him if he got 7K.
I don't think I've ever posted that.
Maybe I have once, maybe?
I don't think I've ever posted that deal.
So it's like, you know, it's so funny.
I talk about this all the time.
It's like the more and more I go through this, and it comes in waves because you got to kind of, you know, you got to fill all the different, all the different piggy banks, if you will, here.
But it's like the more I go through this stuff, the more I realize I want to be or need to be as independent as possible.
Like I need to be as independent as possible.
And that's not against other people in the media.
It's not that I don't like other people in the media.
I've got plenty of other friends out there.
I get along with most people, actually.
I get along with almost everybody out there, even the ones that I disagree with.
But it just like, it just becomes this thing of somehow, it's like he brings up Groupers.
Like, what do I have to do with Groypers?
That's Nick Fuentes fans.
It's like, why is that getting put on me?
What?
It's like he says the same thing.
Like, you do the 7K post.
What are you talking about?
I don't go around spamming 7K.
So that's what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like, but even when you try to be as independent as possible, it doesn't even matter.
People still stick stuff to you that you have nothing to do with.
It's like somehow all this other baggage, all these other people's baggages or issues or all this other stuff, somehow it's like they try to stick it on me.
It's like, dude, what are you even talking about?
What is it?
What?
How does that stick with me?
And then I say that, and I've got like eight interviews lined up.
This person, I don't even know his name, the person you just interviewed, but the best part was when he was trying to tell you that the Islamic terrorists are going to come get Americans no matter what.
And you've asked him since, you know, the 200 years or whatever America's been, you know, when do they attack us?
His answer was, well, Israel hasn't been a nation since that long.
And he basically proved your point, and you didn't even realize that he did.
I think it was the second hour or first hour where I said, I said, this new faction of the right is the exact same as the left in that everything they're going to say or do is predictable.
But it's like, it's like you notice, but I know how to respond to all of this stuff.
And I'm sorry I'm out of time here.
I know how to respond to all this stuff.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like, dude, this is the craziest part.
Okay.
And the truth is, I don't have a political brain.
I hate politics, if I'm being honest.
I just love America and I love life.
And I see these things are under attack.
And most people aren't even aware of it.
They're not even conscious to it.
They can't even engage in the fight.
They don't even see the real threats.
So I'm here to kind of get you into that mindset and then explain what's going on.
But it's the funniest thing because it's like everybody will admit, it's like they will never, they're always going to come to the same conclusion that America is going the wrong direction.
The economy is going the wrong direction.
The culture is going the wrong direction.
Our political system is more corrupted than it's ever been.
Our foreign policy is a disaster.
And so it's like we agree with all of this stuff.
And so then when I come with, hey, maybe we should do this differently, or maybe this is the problem, it's like they don't want to change anything.
So it's like they admit that all of these things have gone horribly wrong.
They admit that everything is trending in the wrong direction, but then it's like they just want to believe the same things, say the same things, and do the same things that got us into this position.
And you're like, hey, maybe we should do it this way.