Owen Shroyer dissects the December 11, 2025 Tyler Robinson hearing, questioning forensic inconsistencies like Kirk’s missing exit wound and manipulated security footage while framing him as a "perfect patsy." He accuses Congress of prioritizing foreign aid—$650M to Israel, $800M to Ukraine—over domestic issues, mocking leaders’ menorah lighting post-NDAA passage. Callers amplify conspiracy theories (e.g., pipe bomber’s legs, Jesuit control) and demand confrontational commentary, revealing deep distrust in narratives. Shroyer’s "Arrest Them All" party and term-limit push signal a broader collapse of faith in political institutions, blending legal skepticism with populist rage. [Automatically generated summary]
Ladies and gentlemen, it is Thursday, December 11th, 2025.
Here's what's coming up on the Owen Report today.
All right, there's a lot of just raw news that are developing, a lot of headlines developing right now.
A lot of geopolitical developments with Venezuela, with Colombia, with Russia, with Ukraine, with Israel, with Qatar.
A lot of geopolitical headlines today.
We're going to try to break it all down, including a trip from Tucker Carlson to a children's center in Qatar where children, Palestinian children, who have had their legs and arms blown off or, you know, a near-death experience with that war, Tucker Carlson goes down to that children's center.
And boy, oh boy, you can already imagine the reactions from the Mark Levins of the world.
Now, this is all going to tie into what is starting to develop inside the Jewish community.
And this is why, this is why it's so frustrating when you try to have debates or discussions about these issues and people don't see both sides of the coin or they don't even understand the full spectrum of the issue.
Like every other community, the Jewish community has a left and the Jewish community has a right.
This whole idea that American Jews or Israeli Jews are a monolith of thought or policy is not good coverage.
It's inaccurate, but that's propaganda.
That's what you're designed to think.
Well, I don't know if it's fair to call them left-wing, but they describe themselves as anti-Zionist Jews.
And they are starting to get a lot louder.
And now they've got Mamdani in New York City, who's doing all these major events with thousands, thousands in the anti-Zionist Jewish community in New York City.
So we're going to tie all of these things together in the geopolitical stack that we have today.
And then just crazy comments, honestly.
Just crazy comments.
Now, what we're waiting for right now, today has been a big day in the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation, or I guess it would be better to say trial, as Tyler Robinson makes a court appearance today.
A lot to break down with that, but everybody's kind of getting really deep into that.
So I'm going to get, I'm just going to kind of surface level it for you here.
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We're going to sort it all out here in three hours of the Owen report today.
We got a lot we're going to be juggling.
I got a free speech issue.
I got a free speech issue in the third hour.
And not intending to do a deep tease here, but let's just do it.
Why not?
It's funny.
And I've had this guest on before.
And this guest comes from the left.
Some would even say this guest is an extremely cringeworthy guest.
Always been kind to me.
But this person reaches out earlier today, and we've collaborated on some free speech stories before.
And I know when this individual comes on in the third hour that people are going to make a fuss of it.
But I have to say, it's funny as I'm reviewing this story, and you've probably not heard about this, but when the government is taking actions against free speech, that to me is a free speech issue.
I don't care if it's on the left or the right.
And it's funny because I know I'll see people on the right and they'll say, oh my gosh, why would you platform this person?
And I'll say, well, nobody from the right reached out to me about this.
Nobody from the right is hitting me up saying, hey, let's tackle this issue.
Let's raise this issue about free speech and what the administration is doing.
So I'll just leave it at that.
And I'm actually glad.
I would love to see the left get back to their roots of classical liberalism, including free speech.
Now, I say that because I think we're going to have a major issue.
And I don't know if you're going to consider this a free speech issue, but right now, the courtroom in the Tyler Robinson case, they are deliberating in a closed-door session whether or not they're going to let cameras inside.
Now, you can imagine everything that's going through the judge's head.
And we got a brief taste of it when the cameras were rolling and the audio was rolling this morning.
We got a brief taste of it.
But to me, you have to have this thing public.
This thing has to be public.
There's already the major trust issues.
And by the way, Erica Kirk came out, and I think she's just concluded her tour.
She did the five-day, the week-long tour of Fox News, and then I think she capped it off with the Barry Weiss interview.
So I think the Erica Kirk tour is done.
I don't know.
She's everywhere right now.
So you can imagine the headlines, but she said she wants it to be public.
The people that believe the official narrative, they all want it public.
So who wouldn't want it public?
Obviously, the people that don't trust the public narrative, I fall into that category.
Rather, the official narrative, the government narrative, the Fed narrative.
I fall into that category.
I want it public.
So it seems that everybody wants this public.
So I'd be stunned if the judge decides not to.
And then you can imagine the conspiracy theories that will be flying around if the judge decides that we're not going to have this public.
We're not going to have cameras.
We're not going to have audio.
So that'll be a major issue.
Now, I do want to show some of the sights and sounds.
And we'll see.
They're supposed to be taking this hearing back live any minute now.
Now, there's going to be a big fuss about the parents not being allowed into the courtroom.
And it would appear the reason is they are going to be witnesses.
And so therefore, they can't be there for the entire proceedings.
This is kind of standard courtroom procedures.
But the parents are not going to be allowed into the courtroom during the proceedings, likely because they're going to be witnesses.
Now, all of that aside, and I'm going to, and I'm going to look at some of the news here as we're waiting this thing going live again.
It was interesting today.
It was.
And I don't think it's just, I mean, obviously the interest level of this story is off the charts.
But it was interesting to see kind of just the judge today and to see how each side of the courtroom, the mannerisms, the behavior.
And I'll start showing this, some of these videos here in a second.
And maybe we go to the Robinson video, the Tyler Robinson video that is quite odd, I must say.
But this was here's here's what's crazy to me.
And I think that Utah understands something here.
They understand something here.
And whatever they think the threat is, they understand that they have to protect Tyler Robinson's life because somebody wants him dead.
And so, or maybe, you know, maybe a lot of people want him dead.
So this is the escort today.
This is the escort today.
You can see it.
It's, you know, it's basically it's like a miniature presidential motor keg here that Robinson got an escort to the courtroom today.
And then it was, I mean, they're making sure nobody can kill this guy.
They're making sure nobody can kill this guy before the court case can reveal everything that it will.
So it's the utmost protection.
Now, I think the judge is being fair, and this is one of the toughest things to do.
And it's amazing as we're going to get a side by side with the Luigi Mangione case and the Tyler Robinson case.
A lot of this stuff is going on kind of the same path.
What's going to be interesting is in the Mangione case, and I don't mean to get off track, but I think this is very important in the Mangione case.
The defense, but they got to protect his life too.
The defense in both of these cases is obviously saying, you what you're doing to my, what you're doing to the defendant here is not allowing for a fair trial.
You're not allowing for an impartial jury or a fair trial when you're presenting my client here, whether it's Mangione or Robinson, when you're presenting them and they're constantly in shackles and bulletproof vests and the SWAT team and the arrival and all of it, you're presenting them as a terrorist.
You're presenting them as already guilty.
Now, you can understand why they have to do that.
You can understand why they have to take all of these mechanisms to protect the defendant.
But you can also understand why the defense is going to say, hey, you're hurting our case.
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People see this and they see that's a monstrous killer.
I can't put forth a good a good defense when you've already done that.
Now, the judges have allowed in both of these cases for the defendants to wear street attire or whatever they want, courtroom attire.
So they're not going in there in prison guard.
They're not going in there shackled.
So Robinson is out there in a tie today, kind of like Mangioni.
He goes with the more, he's more of a sweater look kind of guy.
What's going to be interesting is the defense in the Mangione case is trying to get all of the most important evidence thrown out.
And they're claiming, and they might win.
This will be interesting.
They're claiming that the most important evidence that was seized from Mangione, his backpack at the McDonald's, they are claiming that it was obtained illegally.
And they probably have a pretty good argument there.
They probably have a strong argument.
Now, it's the most important evidence.
It's the most damning evidence.
It's, you would argue, conclusive evidence that Mangioni is the one that did it.
And I think that we're not going to really get the side of the story from the defense until they have reached the conclusion.
This is in the Mangione case, until they've reached the conclusion of whether or not the evidence is going to be admissible.
Then we'll see how they're going to respond to that.
Because if they toss the evidence, then they'll just make sure it never gets responded to if it never gets brought up again.
But if they do let it go, that's going to open up very interesting debates inside of the courtroom beyond just whether it was legal or not.
Like if he's going to try to claim somehow that he was framed, because it's really odd when you watch the video, folks.
It's really odd when you watch the video.
And I'm not going to sit here.
Look, there's criminal psychology, and then there's advanced levels of criminal psychology.
There is a field.
There are patterns of behavior that are identifiable, but it's also not a perfect, it's not a perfect ideology.
It's not a perfect philosophy.
So you could see that and say, well, that doesn't look like the guy.
That doesn't look like the guy that just committed a murder in the middle of the street and is eating a Big Mac.
And yet then there's the evidence on his person, and it's like, that's the guy.
There's no denying it.
So to have these two cases right happening at the same time is wild.
So then there's Robinson today.
Here's a video of Tyler Robinson in the courtroom.
And this has people reaching conclusions about him and how could you blame him?
It's very odd.
The body language here is very odd.
To me, it's the body language of a guilty guy.
And you know that I don't believe that he killed Charlie Kirk.
I don't believe that.
And maybe for those that weren't listening to my show or my coverage of that at the time, maybe I can kind of revisit what I think about this whole thing.
But to me, this does look like a demented, demonically possessed individual who feels proud that he's in the spotlight, who feels proud that he's having this moment.
Now, I would say, because I just, you can't help it.
Everybody has their own bias.
If I'm innocent, if I didn't do this, if I had nothing to do with any of this and I've been totally framed and they have nothing on me, I'm probably in there saying I'm innocent and making a scene of it.
And if they threaten to hold me in contempt of court or whatever, I'm just, I'm just willing to accept that because I don't know if I'm ever going to get another opportunity to say that myself with all the attention here.
So it's like, okay.
But he doesn't look like he's interested in that.
He looks like somebody who's accepting that he's in this role now, that this is his fate, and maybe even glad that he's here.
Now we'll see what happens as all of this goes on.
Now, my contention, you watch this guy again.
This is not somebody that looks like he's sorry.
This is not somebody that looks like he's in there stoic and stern to prove his innocence.
This looks like an individual that's a little deranged, maybe even central casting for an assassin here in this case.
But here's what I think happened.
Here's what I think happened currently.
I think Tyler Robinson went on the roof to take a shot.
I think he went there that day to kill Charlie.
And I think he climbed on the roof.
And I think he had a gun.
And I think as he was lining up his shot, somebody else took the shot and killed Charlie.
And maybe he fired a shot.
Maybe he didn't.
I think there's way more details that we need to know.
But that's what I think.
I don't think Tyler Robinson took the shot.
I think he was up there and I think he thought he was going to be killing Charlie or at least attempting to.
And I think right when he was about to do it, somebody else did it.
And he was just like, what in, I mean, you can imagine if that is how it went.
That's kind of where I'm at.
And I think the two most damning things for me to not believe the official story are the 30-odd six through the neck that doesn't go through the skin.
That's, I mean, I don't know if you could say impossible, but based off of mathematical standards, that's basically impossible for a 30-odd six to not go through the neck.
And even if it hit vertebrae, there would be some form of an exit wound or some visible proof that that was a 30-odd six bullet.
And I see people bringing up the Martin Luther King assassination, which are we believing that story now too?
Are we just going on that now the government never lies to us?
That's odd.
So, okay, some people are going, hey, the government's always on us.
Look at the Martin Luther King killing.
I'm like, okay.
So that's if you even believe it to begin with.
But actually, the bullet that killed Martin Luther King did have an exit wound.
And the bullet that killed Martin Luther King went through a thicker part of his body in the upper shoulder chest region.
So thicker, more muscle, more mass in this region, in the upper chest and shoulder, than obviously in the neck region where Charlie was shot from.
And Martin Luther King did have an exit wound, by the way.
So I'm not here to promote the official Martin Luther King assassination story, but there you go.
The two things to me, the 30-odd six not going through the neck.
That's the one that's just like unbelievable.
And then the other one, which is just straight up suspicious.
But see, now, and this is where I think, you know, I think the court understands they're going to have to make sure that Tyler Robinson is alive to finish this case.
Because now it's become more of as much this is about convincing the jury, as much as the prosecution has to go into this about convincing the jury that Tyler Robinson did it, it's almost as important now for them to convince the American people too.
And maybe that's or obviously that second priority as far as the prosecution is concerned.
But to the people that are involved in this, that are looking to shut down the conspiracy theories, they're probably looking at this saying, hey, you need to make sure you convince the American people of this too because we are sick and tired of having to deal with this every day.
And then that's exactly what's going on.
And now they're saying, because I don't even want to deal with it.
I'm obviously avoiding it purposefully.
You know, the Erica Kirk media tour and all the different things being said about that or her in general.
But that is a news story.
You know, Erica Kirk came out at the memorial in Arizona and talked about how she forgave Tyler Robinson.
Now, that doesn't seem to resonate with those that are pushing the official narrative.
They don't want to forgive.
They're not calling for forgiveness.
But okay, Erica Kirk said that at the memorial.
And then she was on, I think it was outnumbered this week and basically in that interview excoriating Candace Owens.
So we're forgiving Charlie's killer, but we're not forgiving Candace Owens, who's a podcaster.
All right.
Well, now, when Candace said the only person that could get her to shut up would be Erica Kirk.
Well, now Erica Kirk has basically asked her to shut up.
But I don't anticipate Candace will.
And people will call her a fraud and a liar for that.
And that's fair.
She's done this to herself.
But I will say, it's so much bigger now.
When Candace said that, when Candace said, the only person that could make me shut up is Erica Kirk, this was a different, it was a different world.
It was a totally different world back then when she said it.
Now this thing is so much bigger than that original moment and that original reaction period.
Now this thing is so much bigger.
I don't anticipate her to shut up, and I don't think she can anyway.
And she's kind of teased so many different receipts and points of evidence, what have you, that she has to deliver.
She has to kind of finish whatever it is she's trying to do here.
She's going to have to finish.
But, okay, Erica Kirk is now saying, Candice, stop in her own way.
And I don't anticipate Candace will, but let's see.
Let's see what happens next.
Now, they're still deliberating right now whether or not they're going to allow the public to watch this court case.
They're still deciding that.
And you know what we can do probably?
Well, no, let's just get into the news.
I'll continue to monitor that.
And if they take us live, we'll cover it.
But you got Robinson in there looking like, yeah.
Not looking innocent.
I'll tell you that.
He's not looking innocent.
Or he's looking confident.
He's either confident that he's happy with his current status and all of this.
He's either happy with it, whether it was him or not.
He's happy that he's there.
He's happy that the cameras are there.
He's kind of just, he's confident in that moment.
Or I guess he's confident that they're going to prove he didn't do it.
But I don't know.
I look at that and I see this is not a man who's in there feeling sorry.
This is not a man who's in there feeling like he's fighting for his life.
He seems like a man who's in there enjoying the spotlight and enjoying whatever is about to happen here.
But they're still debating whether or not you're going to get to see it all.
So should they take that live, we will cover it.
But, you know, Tim Burchett, he's one of the good ones.
There's no doubt about that.
Tim Burchett is one of the good ones.
And he recently had an interview with Benny Johnson.
These are some longer cuts.
So I'm just going to read the quotes for the sake of time.
We've got a lot to do today.
And if they do open the cameras back up in the courtroom, we're going to be covering that.
So let me just try to get as much through here before that happens.
Representative Tim Burchett says, January 6th, pipe bomber, Brian Cole, was groomed by CIA MK Ultra Tactics, just like Crooks and Robinson.
Always alone, no contact.
They said that about Thomas Crooks and Tyler Robinson.
And notice how they're kind of just burying the Florida case.
They're kind of just burying that case.
Who's talking about that case?
Who's talking about Ryan Ruth?
Who's talking about his connections and Ukraine?
Burchett goes on.
It's always the same pattern.
You've got organizations that say we don't do mind control.
Then they get sued and said we did do it, but not anymore.
I think they're lying.
They put out garbage through airways on the internet.
They target these individuals.
And remember, this is the same story.
He didn't mention the guy, but this is the same story with the guy from Afghanistan that shot the National Guards.
And he was in a CIA program.
That we know.
So let's actually try to apply this practically.
Now, there's basically two routes that you go down here, which is, do you even believe that?
Do you even believe that all of these people are lone wolf actors?
Do you even believe that?
It seems kind of hard to believe.
It seems not impossible to believe, but it's hard to believe that every single one of these people is a lone wolf and nobody knew.
But okay, I suppose it's plausible.
That's not as much, that's not as important to me right now for the sake of this conversation.
When it comes to did they do it or not, this stuff becomes more relevant.
But let's talk about Tim Burchett saying this is how they're groomed online.
Let's say, let's take an example.
And I think Robinson is the best case example to look at right now.
Let's say, and it's anybody that does these mind control things, by the way.
But how do you get in?
What's the delivery system?
Well, they can penetrate your personal life.
Specifically, they can penetrate and manipulate your digital life.
It's very easy.
They all have access to your internet activity.
Don't kid yourself.
Don't kid yourself.
Anything connected to the internet, the intelligence agencies can get access to.
Some things might be harder than others, but they can get it.
So if you've got a candidate, let's say you're looking for a candidate to be a Patsy or to try to groom to be an assassin, whatever the case is.
All you got to do is look at their digital footprint.
You can study their social life, find the right candidate, and then look at their digital footprint.
And then you can basically lead them.
And now with AI, it's a totally different story.
But you can essentially lead them.
It's kind of like how Amazon and these other e-commerce companies say, pretty soon we'll know what you're going to buy before you even buy it.
And you're already seeing some of the signs of this.
You probably experience this now.
It's not even uncommon anymore.
You'll be talking about something with friends at dinner, and then you go home and you open up your browser and then bing, there's an advertisement for that thing you were talking about.
That's how ingrained the AI is now in your digital footprint.
And it is listening to you and it is profiling you and it does have a file on you.
So now they're just building all the data centers and the quantum computing to actually process this effectively.
This is the Trump administration doing this.
So you know Robinson's social life enough.
You know his digital footprint enough.
Now you know how to lead him right where you want him.
He's on Reddit or other social media forums and you throw some breadcrumbs, you get him to chase, and now bing, you got him in the chat room.
You've got him in the forum.
And he thinks he's talking to like-minded people.
He thinks he's talking to furries or trans people or whatever it is on this internet forum.
And he thinks they're all in there together and they're all, you know, in the secret, secret little click.
And oh, oh, now somebody's, now they've got his ear.
Now they've got his, his mind.
And they start talking about, hey, did you see Charlie Kirk is coming to town next month?
But what's more suspicious, what is the most suspicious is that they release an edited video and they intentionally make sure that you don't see Tyler Robinson taking the shot.
That's the most suspicious thing to me.
Now, the feds can reverse that at any moment.
The video obviously exists.
The video before they show you Tyler Robinson running across the roof after the shot, that video exists.
Why aren't they showing it to us?
They might have an answer.
They might give us an answer.
They might eventually give us the video, but they haven't yet.
And that's suspicious to me.
And why they released it without the most important part of that video is suspicious to me.
And now that you're more than three months beyond this, we could have had that video day one, folks.
We could have had that video within 48 hours.
They could have produced that video.
Now that you're more than three months beyond this, people aren't going to believe it.
Now they're just not going to believe it no matter what.
But you have to think: well, how can something like this even happen?
Not everybody walking around at Utah Valley is a bad person.
And if you think that there was a grand conspiracy that day, still 99.9% of the people that were there that day had nothing to do with it.
So how are they able to even get the security footage without anybody else seeing it?
Has nobody seen it?
Is that even possible?
How would that have gone down?
Well, you'd have to have an insider in the local law enforcement.
And you'd have to have your guy in the FBI.
That's the only people that could cover this up.
I don't think the staff at the college had anything to do with this, but who had access to the security tapes?
How many people saw those security tapes?
How many people have had access to the security tape of Tyler Robinson running across the roof and the video we haven't seen moments before that?
How many people have seen that?
Has anybody seen that?
Did local law enforcement get in there and remove the tape before anybody else could see it?
Did local law enforcement get in there and shut everything down and then the FBI came in and somebody said, clear the room, reviewed the tape, pulled it and gave us the edited version?
These are all fair questions, by the way.
There is nothing, there is nothing unfair about these questions.
Now, it looks like they're still deciding how they want to handle.
I'm not seeing any news on how they want to handle the cameras now, but it does look like they may have opened it up now.
Let me see if we can't get some audio here.
And bear with us, guys, if we have some weird audio thing.
DMT is in the digital studio today, so he'll be monitoring audio for us.
But just bear with us if we have a strange audio situation.
And if there has been a violation of that order, then we agree that there needs to be some measure taken.
We'll leave it to the court to decide the appropriate response to that violation, but we agree that any violation of the court's order needs to be addressed.
This is the first time that we've heard about the violation.
We've not had an opportunity to look at the video or investigate the audio or look at the capture of the computers.
But filming of the inadvertent filming of the shackles, I did talk to the pool photographer.
My understanding is that there was a Zoom out shot that did inadvertently show the shackles.
That was improper.
That was inadvertent.
And we apologize for that.
They've taken measures to make sure that the pool video that is disseminated to the rest of the pool does not contain any capture of the defendant and the shackles.
We can't do anything about the live stream, of course, but we can control what the rest of the video is that we capture and disseminate.
So that is being done.
The audio for counsel, my understanding is the only audio that they picked up was from counsel's microphones.
I don't have any further information about that and whether that's a violation.
Filming of the computers is not a violation of the decorum order.
If the capture can show the document that counsel is looking at, then that is a potential violation.
So I just don't know how much detail the shot is that is of concern to the court.
But I'll just say that we reiterated as soon as I heard this from Mr. Ballard with the pool representatives that this is very important to follow to the letter the court's EMC order.
They understand their obligations.
They take it very seriously.
They're not perfect.
Mistakes happen.
We're trying to correct as much as we can on that.
But we think termination is not an appropriate remedy.
An admonishment from this court, a reminder that they need to follow to the letter the court's EMC order is appropriate.
That's the message that counsel has delivered to the media representatives and the pool operatives.
I appreciate all parties weighing in on this important matter.
And I find that there was a violation of the standing decorum order that was in effect as of October 30th, 2025, based off what's been proffered, as well as the EMC order signed by the court.
As previously stated by Ms. Fisser, the court does have discretion in determining whether to terminate the broadcast of these proceedings.
And again, if there are specific circumstances warrant such action, that the court would need to make findings in order to do so.
I find that excluding the court the cameras from the courtroom would be disproportionate for this hearing.
I find that giving making it very clear, first, that the transmission cannot begin until court is in session and must end before as the court ends the session and cannot be filmed before or after.
The filming of, as previously stated, the decorum order EMC must be followed to the letter.
The sanction for today is that this camera will be relocated away from defense table to where the bailiff is, Mr. Jeff, where Jeff is standing over here.
I want to immediately address any possible transmission of shackles as previously stated by counsel and remove the possibility of capture of screens of the computers at defense counsel's table as well.
In addition, if there's further violations of the standing decorum order, this court does have the right and will exercise termination of broadcast of these proceedings.
And I simply want to put all parties on notice to the press, to all parties, that this court takes this very seriously.
While the court believes in openness and transparency, it needs to be balanced with the constitutional rights of all parties in this case.
As such, we will take a brief recess to allow the relocation of the camera and to the place indicated by the bailiff, and then we will resume these court proceedings.
I am anticipating this take perhaps five minutes.
All right, and then we'll come back on the record and handle the remaining of this hearing.
I appreciate the patience of parties as we move forward.
We just heard from the judge in the Tyler Robinson.
Okay, I'll continue to monitor that.
It sounds like they're going to take a really brief recess and then get right back to it.
They just want to change a camera angle.
I haven't seen the camera angle they're talking about, and they say that you can see him in shackles.
So I'm not really sure what they're talking about, but whatever.
They want to move some cameras around and they want to make sure that the rights of the media are protected to cover this case.
And they want to make sure that Tyler Robinson's rights, innocent until proven guilty, no jury tampering, are also protected in this case as it continues.
So we will continue to monitor that as we close out as we close out the first hour.
So we'll probably just go with that till the end of the hour, pick it back up on the other side.
We do have a guest on a free speech story in the third hour for today.
I do have tons of news.
I intend to prioritize the coverage of this proceeding.
We will do that.
But we also need to cover a lot of the other news today as well.
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And our goal, therefore, is to get an order that's clear, that's lawful, and that the state has the ability to comply with.
And the issue with the order that the state has is the use of the term witnesses in the order.
We believe that term's vague and ambiguous.
Does it mean anyone with relevant information about this case?
Does it just mean those people that are going to be subpoenaed to testify in this case?
Or is it limited to just the prosecution team?
And I think as we've expressed in our filings, we believe that the court intended that that term just be limited to the prosecution team because that is the way that Rule 3.8 reads.
Rule 3.8 of the rules of professional conduct that deals specifically with requirements for prosecutors talks about investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees, or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor.
So in other words, the prosecution.
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You've been watching the first in-person court appearance for the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination, Tyler Robinson.
The judge ruling cameras will be allowed in the courtroom, turned away from the defense table.
That then we have concerns because a prior restraint is an order that forbids certain communications in advance of the time that they are to occur.
And as the Court of Appeals has recognized, the Utah Court of Appeals has recognized in state versus LM.
And widespread publicity in a case does not itself justify a prior restraint.
The as the United States Supreme Court is recognized, the Nebraska Press Association, there's no justification for a prior restraint unless it's clear that the further publicity unchecked would so distort the views of potential jurors that you couldn't find 12 jurors who could be fair and impartial.
That's the high standard that applies in this case.
And so in order to apply a prior restraint to persons beyond the prosecution team, the court would need to engage in a very detailed and demanding analysis.
The court would have to make a factual finding of necessity, that the speech that would be restrained poses a risk of material prejudice to the ongoing judicial proceedings.
The court would need to make findings that there are no less restrictive measures and that the prohibitions are likely to prevent the potential prejudice and that whatever prohibitions this court decides on are very narrowly tailored.
And as the state has explained, the Spencer versus state case from the Arkansas Supreme Court that just issued earlier this year is very helpful, I think, on this issue in explaining the analysis that applies to various different people that might be associated with a criminal case.
You have attorneys, that category of trial participants.
Certainly, the court has the highest degree of ability to be able to restrain the speech of attorneys.
And in fact, as I've expressed, the ethical rules require that.
But when it comes to trial participants, like witnesses, the standards are more demanding as far as restricting the speech of trial participants.
And as the Spencer case pointed out, non-attorney trial participants, the court can impose a restraint on their speech only to the extent that the court first finds that any speech by those non-attorney trial participants poses a serious and imminent threat of material prejudice to the ongoing proceeding.
And I think the court also needs to note that there are there are several people associated with this case who have very significant interests in exercising their First Amendment rights in talking about how this case has affected them.
And of course, I can't say that someone's one person's First Amendment right is more important than another person's, but there are certainly some people here who have a larger involved who have a larger or a greater interest in speaking than others.
And so I think the court needs to take that into consideration if this order is meant to apply beyond just the prosecution team.
And then finally, as far as making the order, so we need a clear order, we need a lawful order, and then we need an order that the state can actually comply with.
And the state recognizes that there are serious sanctions that this court can impose for violations of a court order, as we've just seen.
And so we want to avoid these.
We want to avoid litigation over whether there's been a violation.
I imagine this is probably going to continue for the rest of the day, knowing how this stuff goes.
So I'm going to pull coverage of this for now.
I'm going to continue to monitor it, but it's clear at this point, they're just going to go back and forth deliberating about whether or not cameras can get in there or not, whether or not they're going to broadcast this case.
So we can just bring you that news when we have it.
So I'm going to pull out of this coverage for now.
And I'll just, I'll continue to monitor it.
And should there be an update, I'll give it to you.
And the first thing that I want to say is that the order that the court issued is not a prior restraint on any member of the public.
And it's certainly not, I think, as the state's motion suggested, some sort of a prior restraint on the press.
This has nothing to do with the press.
The order, as we noted in our papers, is directed at the conduct of and the court's expectations for counsel.
So even if under that order that the court issued, somebody who we could all agree is a witness within the court's definition of that made public statements which implicated Mr. Robinson's fair trial rights.
The potential sanction is on the party who had a duty to make a reasonable effort to notify witnesses that they should not be doing so.
If I represented a witness who was accused of saying too much publicly, the first thing that I would tell this court is the order isn't directed at the witness.
The order is directed at the counsel for the parties.
There may in the future be some theoretical situation where the court issues orders that Control the statements or conduct of specific people, but this is other than counsel.
But this order is directed at counsel.
And we have no, meaning Mr. Robinson's defense counsel have no problem complying with the order.
And we also think that we understand what a witness is when the court uses that term.
So it sounds to me that the defense is now making the case that there needs to be some serious restraint on the media.
It doesn't sound like they are calling for an outright ban of the cameras or the live broadcast.
They just want some restraints.
They want some very strict parameters and they want anybody that violates them to be to be dealt with on an individual level, is what it seems to me that the defense is arguing right now.
So it doesn't look like they're going to try to make an argument to remove the cameras, but it looks like they're going to try to make sure that there's very strict monitoring as far as the coverage is concerned.
That's what it sounds like to me.
I'll pop back in and see if anything changes my mind in the next couple of hours.
In the eyes of that party, that doesn't make it impossible for the state to comply with the order.
It just means that the state needs to be thinking along the way about who its witnesses may be.
And that's why in our papers, we refer to it as a potential lay witness, because we believe that the court intended it to go beyond members of the prosecution team, which are law enforcement officers, retained experts, retained.
Again, for the sake of time, I'm not going to play the clip, but we'll read some of the quotes here.
Representative Tim Burchett says neocon Republican congressmen are sabotaging Trump ahead of the midterms.
He says a lot of folks are undermined.
I think you've got staffers in key spots that are crooked.
Ah.
And really, this is why the good idea, the good idea of term limits is actually kind of a bad idea because then these crooked staffers end up running everything because they don't have term limits.
They're there forever.
And in a way, they know more about what goes on than even the members of Congress do.
He goes on, I think they're in bed literally or figuratively with lobbyists and they kill very good pieces of legislation.
Well, definitely literally in some cases.
That's why you see study committees say they're going to study this bill for a year and then it magically goes away.
That's part of the design because they want to undermine Trump.
Ultimately, they hate him because he is cutting off their money.
They've got the ear of the paid lobbyist who's probably taking them out for drinks, steak, dinner.
Maybe they went to some fancy place, Qatar or Myrtle Beach.
You've got speakers and people in leadership, and people are undermining them.
Now, Qatar will come up in the news again.
And that's just a pull quote from Benny Johnson's interview.
But here's the larger story to me: the larger story to me is that clearly the Republicans are sabotaging Trump and they're just playing a game right now.
And maybe they like Trump now.
Maybe they do like Trump now, to at least for whatever he can do for them.
But the Republican Party is playing this game right now: they're running out the clock, they're running out the clock, and maybe they're throwing the midterms intentionally, but that's going to be the result here.
But they're running out the clock.
And my frustration is that we tried to warn President Trump.
We tried to warn President Trump, and he attacked us.
And he said he doesn't want us anymore.
So now he's tied to the Republican Party wagon.
Now he's tied to the deep state swamp wagon.
And maybe that's what he wants.
Maybe that's what he decided.
But that's what it is now.
And we tried to warn you, President Trump.
We tried to warn you not to trust these people.
And they're going to end up getting you impeached.
And maybe worse, God forbid.
Now, I will say the redistricting efforts are going to favor Republicans big time.
There is no doubt that now the redistricting efforts, as they lie, are going to favor Republicans big time.
But that doesn't help you in the category of voter turnout.
So we really don't know.
We really don't know what the results of the redistricting are going to be.
We can assume we can use deductive reasoning and math, and we can assume: okay, this does look like it's going to be good for Republicans.
And I think it's a fair assumption.
I'm making the assumption, but yet we don't know.
Voter turnout is going to be what matters.
And right now, voter turnout for Republicans is bad and it's only getting worse.
And now you're going to cross a threshold where a lot of people are just going to go out and vote Democrat just as a protest vote because they're so sick of Republicans, just as a message sending vote to the Republican Party, which is: hey, if we vote for you and you get into power and do nothing, you're not going to get our vote again.
you're out.
All right.
It looks like the, well, I think this is the attorney for the media.
So that's fine.
If the.
If the prosecution gets up there to argue their case for cameras or not in the courtroom, we'll pick that up.
The media attorney is speaking right now, so we all probably know what he's saying.
So I'm not going to take that live, but just a brief update as we have it on the side screen here, monitoring this.
I see you sitting in the digital studio monitoring the audio.
I think the audio has been good today Until you start talking.
No, I'm just kidding.
He's blowing me up.
He's blaming it all on Trump.
It's fair.
So, about yesterday's NDAA about that.
Eric Rice reporting.
Recap of the NDAA.
Palantir got $450 million from the Navy.
Israel got $650 million from the U.S. Ukraine got $800 million from the U.S. Microsoft and Amazon are going to spend $50 billion creating jobs in India.
Trump gold card for legal migration.
We stole an oil tanker.
Interest rates dropped.
Markets followed.
Silver is crushing it.
Pretty good recap there.
A friend of the show, Eric Rice.
Guys, what do you think about this Trump gold card?
You know, I saw this.
The ego is one thing.
I can deal with ego.
And you know what?
I've got an ego.
So I can't be too judgmental on ego.
No, this is beyond ego.
This is like, what is the word I'm looking for?
Trump is obsessed with himself.
What's the word for that?
Self-obsession?
I mean, I guess it's self-obsession, self-absorption.
Trump is obsessed with himself.
I actually think now I think Trump is going to print.
I think Trump is going to mint a $500 bill with his face on it.
Maybe a thousand dollar bill.
I'm dead serious.
This guy is so narcissistic right now.
It's insane with the Trump ballroom and the Trump gold card and his face on everything and his face on the coins and his Trump watches and his Trump vodka.
Trump doesn't even wear a watch.
It's like, my God, President Trump, this isn't about you.
I don't need to see your face on every fucking thing that comes through the Oval Office.
It's starting to cross into a totally different realm now that this is all about Trump.
This is all about Trump putting his name on everything, Trump putting his face on everything, Trump branding everything.
It's starting to get a little nauseating, quite frankly.
I'm sitting there, I'm looking at Trump, but he's got his gold card with his face.
On matters of public access to court proceedings and to court documents and Rule 4-202.04 of the Rules of Judicial Administration also make it clear that the media can appear and do just exactly what they've done in the closed session that we held earlier.
So it doesn't make them a capital P party to the case.
It makes them a limited purpose party.
And they certainly have the right to be able to do that.
So I just want to clarify the issue, really, if we boil it down, is if these 23 media entities have met their burden to be a limited purpose party in this case.
And I think another part of that is what that means.
And really, that is what we are primarily concerned with.
I don't get involved in their opinions on political issues.
That's not my role.
But one thing I will say is the two gentlemen to my left are strong and perhaps the best friends of Israel and the Jewish people either side of the aisle has ever seen.
Mike Johnson couldn't be bothered to do anything about the January 6th prisoners that were in his district.
I just so happened to be one of them.
Mike Johnson couldn't be bothered.
He couldn't be bothered to deal with a speech prisoner in his district, multiple speech prisoners, by the way, in Oakdale Federal Correction Institution in his district.
And he couldn't be bothered to address speech prisoners in his district, but he'll make sure to take the time out of the day to go visit the Israelis that he just cut a check for $650 million for.
In case you haven't noticed, in case it's not obvious enough, Washington, D.C. doesn't work for you.
They work for their foreign interests and they work for their special interest.
And that's all they care about and that's all they prioritize.
Arrest them all.
I'm done with you, scum.
I'm done with you, traitor.
Arrest every single one of them.
We, the American people, need to send a loud and clear message to our Congress right now.
We do not accept traitors anymore.
We do not accept traitors anymore.
And we are not going to sit here and be silent while you take our money and give it to foreign countries and foreign wars and special interests.
We are done.
We have had enough.
We want you off our backs.
And every single time you scum, Every single time you traitorous filth want to get up there with a smile on your face and celebrate how you just stole more of our money to give it to foreign countries, we are not going to sit idly by.
And I'm going to tell you this: the left and the right is going to unite in this country.
The left and the right is going to unite in this country against all of you traitors.
All of you.
Yeah, we've got our issues.
We've got our political issues.
We've got our cultural issues.
We've got our differences.
We've got our history.
I'm going to tell you right now: the left and the right in America is going to unite against you, scum.
You are scum.
And you are giving us a common enemy.
And nothing unites a people like a common enemy.
Nothing.
And you've now done it.
You have now removed the mask.
You have now removed the veil.
You have now pulled back the curtains.
We all see it now.
You all sold us out.
And then you have the nerve as the American economy is dying, as the American dream is dying, as the average American is in debt up to their neck, and then you have the nerve to go out here with a smile on your face and talk about how happy you are that Israel just got another $700 million and another 12,000-pound bomb, and how happy you are that Ukraine just got another $800 million so that they continue to steal our money and steal our military weapons.
And you sit there and you smile at the American people with their hat in hand, just looking for anything.
Arrest them all.
Arrest them all, party.
I am now declaring I will be starting and running for president for the Arrest Them All party.
ATA, Adam Boy, arrest them all.
Arrest them all.
We, the American people, can never let this happen again.
I'm dead serious.
When Mike Johnson signed that bill for the NDAA, I want court martials going in there and putting handcuffs on every single politician that just voted to send $800 million to Israel and $650 million, excuse me, $650 million to Israel and $800 million to Ukraine.
Cuff them.
Cuff them.
Traitors.
Traitors.
Cuff them.
Never again.
We can't tolerate this for another day.
And look at how comfortable they are up there all together in their little hats, all smiling and glistening and gladhanding.
They just sold you out and they're happy about it.
And they sold you out and they couldn't be happier.
It's like, wow.
You try to do something for the American people and they're all like, oh, they're all smarmy and they're all upset and cantankerous.
And then they sign a bill to give hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars to foreign countries.
We have to have a ticket with a Republican and a Democrat to defeat this monster.
I think it needs to be, it probably needs to be like a massey Kana or like a green Kana.
We need, that's what we need, folks.
This has to be defeated.
Our country will never, our country is being hollowed out, folks.
You're being robbed up one side and down the other.
Do you understand that?
Do you understand that $30 trillion, it's probably more than that.
Do you understand that $30 trillion in American wealth has gone to foreign countries?
Do you understand that?
This country is $40 trillion in debt.
And we've given $30 trillion of that to foreign countries.
If that doesn't outrage you, if that doesn't tell you how this country really operates, if you don't understand, I'm sitting here, I'm looking at what Trump is doing.
I'm like, he's doing this intentionally now.
Trump is accepting the collapse of the country.
And instead, he's accelerating it and selling it for parts and scrap to enrich himself and his family and his friends and his foreign donors.
That's what I see happening.
Trump has accepted the country as collapsing.
And maybe when somebody whizzed a bullet by his head, he decided this ain't worth it anymore.
So he decided he'd rather live and sell us out.
I will support a Marjorie Taylor Greene Rokana ticket if it means getting the foreign scum out of our politics.
I don't care who it is.
I don't care if it's a Republican.
I don't care if it's a Democrat.
I don't care if it's somebody from the, we wear a spaghetti pan on our head religion.
I don't give a damn.
Anybody that's going to come in here and say, we just gave another billion dollars to foreign countries, we're never doing that again.
That's who I'm voting for.
I don't care.
I don't care.
And I'm not alone in this, by the way.
I'm not alone in this, by the way.
And I'll tell you this.
As sick as the left has become, I'm not transing my kid.
As sick as the left has become, I'm not indoctrinating my kid.
As sick as the left has become, I'm not a communist.
So as sick as the left is, they can be left to their own demise.
They can be left to their own accords.
I don't get a choice.
I have to fund these foreign wars no matter what.
I don't get a choice.
I have to give all my money to Israel and Ukraine and Taiwan and all of it and the big tech companies.
And I have to give them, I have to be a slave for these people no matter what.
No matter what.
I am forced into this slavery.
If I don't want the left to indoctrinate my kids, I take them out of school.
If I don't want the pedophile left to trans my kids, I'll take them out of school.
I'll move.
I'll do whatever it takes.
I can act on my own accord against the left.
I can't stop my enslavement of the foreign lobby.
We should be outraged as Americans.
Outraged.
So yes.
If this is what we get when we vote for Republicans, if this is the result of a Republican Senate and House and president, then guess what?
I don't give a damn if Republicans win anymore.
Couldn't care less because nothing changes.
And you can sit here and say, well, the border, well, this, well, that.
Do you really think anything has changed?
Do you really think as soon as the Democrats get back in power that the border isn't wide open again?
Do you really think this administration is stopping the foreign worker problem?
You're delusional.
Nothing has been done that's going to be permanent here.
Nothing has been done that's going to actually fix the country here.
The country is being hollowed out and sold for parts to foreign interests.
At least with the special interest, I mean, you could argue these are American companies.
At least with the special interest, you could argue, well, I'm in the stock market.
I mean, at least with the special interest, there's like a sliver of the pie for you.
At least with the special interest, there's like a sliver of that pie that benefits America.
But the foreign interests, no, that's just straight up robbery.
That's just straight up slavery.
I am done.
I am done.
I don't care about the left and the right.
I don't care about the liberals versus conservatives.
I'm done.
It's worthless.
It's meaningless.
None of them are serious.
And I can at least, as best of my ability, I can at least avoid the left and avoid their indoctrination camps and avoid all the perversion and everything else that comes along with them.
It's like I can make life decisions to avoid that if I have to.
There is nothing I can do to stop being a slave for Israel.
There is nothing I can do to stop being a slave for Ukraine.
There is nothing I can do to stop being a slave for foreign interests and foreign wars.
There's nothing I can do, no matter who I vote for.
And they brag about it and they stand up there and they say, thank God Israel won again as Americans continue to suffer.
I'm done.
I don't care.
I don't give a damn.
Democrat, Republican, they all suck.
They all sell us out.
They're all worthless.
They're all traitors.
They all belong in jail as far as I'm concerned right now.
Arrest them all.
Arrest them all until something changes.
So what we need is a ticket.
It needs to be a third party, and it's going to have to have a Democrat and a Republican on it.
Otherwise, you're going to get Newsome Cortez.
That's what you're going to get.
We can see what happens in the midterms.
It's not looking good, but maybe the redistricting will save it.
Maybe.
But it won't save the presidential elections.
If this administration doesn't stop selling us out, if this administration doesn't stop working for the swamp and the deep state, if there's no deep state arrest, if there's no draining of the swamp, if there's no stopping of the foreign wars and the foreign aid and prioritizing the foreign policy and everything else and cleaning up our elections, one person, one paper ballot, one vote, if none of this stuff happens before 2028, really maybe before 2026,
If the Democrats win in 2026, Trump will be impeached, and the Democrats will probably start arresting people.
They will probably start arresting people in 2028 that are in the Trump administration.
Newsom's already teasing it.
Every day, Newsome is posting AI videos of Trump and his administration in cuffs.
So they're already showing you their plans.
They're not joking.
So what?
So what am I supposed to do?
That's what I'm, you know, that's what I tried to warn.
We tried to warn you, Trump.
We tried to warn you.
The fighters are gone, man.
The new people that surround you, President Trump, they're not going to fight for you.
They're not going to protest when you get impeached.
They're not going to do anything.
They're going to run away.
They're going to hide.
Now, maybe this has already been discussed, and you guys already have a plan for all this, and it doesn't matter.
But if you really think, if you don't have this plan, if you don't have this figured out, everybody will turn on you in a heartbeat, including the Republicans.
And the people that would have fought for you, you've abandoned.
And it's going to have to prioritize stopping all foreign aid and stopping all foreign wars that we're involved in.
Has to be done.
It's the only way.
It's the only way to save the country, folks.
It's the only way.
You know, it's never been more obvious.
So I would support a ticket for a third party that had a Republican and a Democrat on it.
I think Rokana, probably the best that the Democrats have to offer.
Maybe somebody else emerges.
I'm hearing RFK Jr. wants to run again.
At this rate, nobody from this administration is going to be electable, even the good ones.
It's going to have to be like a Marjorie Taylor Green and a Rokana and a third party ticket.
And they have to run specifically on ending foreign aid.
And they'll win.
They will win.
This is the winning message.
Democrats and Republicans will vote for a ticket that stops the foreign grift, that stops our country from being hollowed out, that stops our countrymen from being enslaved by the foreign interests and the special interests.
And you're starting to see it now.
People are saying, I'm not voting.
Big Republicans, big Trump supporters, they're not voting.
More foreign aid, more foreign wars, more special interests, more donor class control.
Tell me.
Tell me why a Republican would go vote.
Make me the case that this make the case to me right now that the swamp is being drained.
Make the case.
All these cheerleaders, all these Sunshine Patriots will disappear as soon as the weather changes.
All of these Sunshine Patriot cheerleaders waving the pom-poms and taking the pictures and doing the poses and getting the access and faking the status, they will all disappear as soon as it costs them anything.
As soon as that cost-benefit analysis changes and all of a sudden they realize it's costing them to support this, they're out.
They're gone.
They're not here to take a loss.
They're here to take a profit.
That's it.
I probably just shouldn't even have played that clip.
So let me just shut up and just cover these news stories and these other clips here.
I'm just sick of it, folks.
I'm just sick of it.
I think we all are.
I can't even cover news anymore.
I just can't even do it.
I'm just, I'm so sick of it all.
Maybe I should just take calls.
Well, they claim they're going after Antifa.
This is from a hearing yesterday.
The administration claims they're taking on Antifa.
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Executive Board of Domestic Terrorist Organization, Antifa.
I just want you to tell us: if you said Antifa is the number one domestic terrorist organization operating in the United States, I just need to know where they are, how many people.
I don't want a name, I don't want anything like that.
Just how many people have you identified with the FBI that Antifa is made of?
If you're not willing to call this out, if you're not willing to call out the lack of results from this administration, if you're not willing to accept the reality that you, an American, and your country has been sold out to foreign interests and special interests, and that Washington, D.C. responds to the donors and not the voters.
If you're not willing to accept these realities, then I'm done with you.
You're worthless.
You're worthless.
You are a useful idiot.
You're not a patriot.
You're not even trying to be.
I'm done.
I'm turning heel.
All of you suck.
All of you suck.
And you're going to get the suck and you're going to embrace the suck.
And then eventually you're just going to bail when it's too much for you.
You're just going to bail.
Well, I guess I got some good news here.
We could, hey, how about this?
Maybe this is some good news.
Trump administration taps election fraud crusader to help lead FEMA.
I don't know why he's at FEMA, but we're talking about Greg Phillips, a good American.
The activist Greps shot to fame after launching the narrative that millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we're all convinced that Joe Biden got 190 million votes or whatever it is you're claiming.
Yeah, that was totally real.
Joe Biden got more votes than Obama.
Joe Biden got more votes than Trump.
Yep, totally above board.
Yeah, Greg Phillips, he's crazy for having basic common sense.
He ran true the vote, and now he's leading FEMA's office of response and recovery.
So that's good news.
There you go.
That's some good news.
But then again, as you just saw in the hearing, they don't know.
They don't have any answers on Antifa.
They don't have any answers on Act Blue set to raise $2 billion this year.
So Act Blue is going to have probably over $3 billion in its treasure chest for the midterm elections.
And where is Pam Bondi?
And where is the administration?
Well, I guess you know the answer to that, don't you?
They're on Fox News and they're in a foreign country.
This is partially good news.
Trump says he will consider wiping federal gambling winnings tax.
Well, his top donors own casinos.
So let's not wave the pom-poms and do the high leg kick quite yet.
His major donors own casinos, folks.
Okay?
Now think of it like this.
Trump is considering ending taxes on gambling winnings.
I support that, by the way.
I do support that.
But why stop there?
Why not just end the federal tax?
Why not just end the federal income tax, President Trump?
Why are you just doing it for your casino magnate donors?
Why are you screwing us, President Trump?
Why are you doing this to us, man?
You're breaking my heart.
You're breaking our heart, Mr. President.
Can you please turn it around or is it over?
Just tell us if it's over.
Just tell us if you're done with us.
Stop lying to us.
Stop pretending to be Trump from 2016 if you're not.
Just stop.
If they're blackmailing you, if they tried to kill you and you're done, it's not worth your life.
Fine, just tell us, just tell us so we can know what's going on.
It's like, yeah, here you go.
It's like, you know, your wife gets home or your husband gets home and your husband has another woman's perfume on his clothes and lipstick and maybe a hickey and the hair is a little disheveled.
And maybe there's a little something going on in the nether regions.
And it's like, yeah, it's like, you're cheating on me.
It's the Kids Online Safety Act, which is what we talked about before.
But now they've got even worse bills attached to it.
So they also have what's called the Screen Act, the App Store Accountability Act.
All of these laws remove anonymity from the internet and allow the government broad powers to censor speech by pressuring these platforms, essentially, to remove any content that's deemed harmful for kids.
They're similar to what we've seen pass in the UK and Australia recently.
And you can see how that's played out.
It's resulted in mass censorship of everything from literally the subreddit on war crimes is censored to, you know, SpongeBob SquareCampskill.
Not only do they endanger kids by cutting off access to things like, you know, for places, websites where they can go and report abuse and wrongdoing, addiction forums, forums for young girls suffering with eating disorders.
Not only are we doing all of that harm, but we're also pushing kids to even more extreme parts of the internet that don't follow these laws, that don't censor anything, that have no oversight.
So that's really dangerous.
What we could do, though, proactively to protect kids online, which I agree, like it's not a great place for kids to be on the internet, is pass comprehensive data privacy reforms.
So you hear a lot of these people say, well, these internet algorithms are so addicting.
These platforms are preying on kids.
Guess what?
All of these child online safety bills, they're going to make that problem worse.
They're allowing these tech companies to harvest even more data, including biometric data on children.
So what we want is to actually allow them to harvest less data so that they can't be targeting children and targeting adults with predatory advertising, you know, feeding them these algorithms that they have no control over, et cetera, et cetera.
We need a lot more transparency as well in terms of what content's being censored, who's being censored, who's being shadow banned, of seeing sort of the, you know, just opening up the hood a little bit on these platforms and seeing how they're ranking content.
Well, I would, I would also, you know, I'd answer my own question there, but it sounds to me that this is all going in a direction of, and maybe this is why it's targeting the youth.
It's all going in this direction of we're going to eventually treat the internet like reality.
And so it's like, okay, I have, I have an ID, right?
And so if I want to go to a bar or something, I have to show my ID.
And by the way, that government can turn around and, you know, levy terrorism charges at you if you, you know, consume the wrong content or engage in the wrong activity, or maybe you run a red light one day and they've been tracking all your data and they run your stuff and they say, oh, you know, you're, you're engaging in some real suspicious activity there.
Oh, you're criticizing Israel.
Why were you reading this website?
Why were you going here?
That's this, that's the surveillance state that we're building.
And that's terrifying.
We should, we should not want that, especially given the government's track record.
We shouldn't trust the government.
I don't care who's in power in the government.
I can promise you as a journalist, the government lies no matter if a Democrat or Republican is in power.
They're here.
They want to protect the interests of the government and the state.
We should protect our interests as citizens and people and protect our rights.
And I think that the greatest thing that we have in this country is the First Amendment, the ability to speak freely and the ability to speak truth to power and the right to consume information.
If I just want to sit there and consume, say, I just wanted to sit there and consume propaganda all day.
There's a Supreme Court case that says I have the right to do that.
You know, you have the right to consume whatever information you want to consume, but the government doesn't want that.
They don't want you finding out about certain subreddits or police violence or, you know, violence or whatever.
And let's not, you know, to be fair, you have establishment shills on both sides.
When Biden was in power, a lot of these liberals were completely silent.
They were silent about the genocide in Gaza.
They were silent about the TikTok ban.
They were Joe Biden passed the TikTok ban.
Let's not forget that.
Trump continued it.
But I just want people to realize that both these political parties are actually aligned on quite a lot of things, including stripping, you know, stripping the rights of a lot of Americans to free speech.
So I think that people just need to start paying attention to the system and stop putting people in these stupid categories of left and right.
It's just meant to divide us.
It's really corrosive.
I think most Americans just want, you know, our civil liberties.
We want our rights.
We want to live a basic good life.
And I think that these people that have decided they're in some political cult, again, no matter what side you're on, they're total grifters and they shouldn't be trusted.
Okay, so we're so the blood pressure is a little calm now.
What is it like for somebody that's that's kind of on the left?
Well, you know what?
Before I go there, let me ask you this.
Before I go to that question, let me ask you this.
Because I think my mindset kind of applies the same here, which is like, I don't think that pornography should be illegal.
I don't think that adult content websites should be illegal.
However, I would make the argument that these websites, I would make the argument that porn in general in the American society, which we just found out Americans spend more money on OnlyFans than every other country on earth combined, by the way.
I think that pornography is an industry and an activity, a consumption, is more dangerous than even marijuana.
I think it's one of the most dangerous things for our civilization.
I think it's destroying people's brains.
The science is in that it can destroy your brain, but I don't want to make it illegal.
I think ultimately it's a personal choice, right?
I think it's ultimately a personal choice.
You know, is that kind of the mindset you have with the internet too?
It's like, look, it has to be free.
We can have parameters and stuff, but at the end of the day, it's your own personal choice.
Just like at the end of the day, it's the parents' responsibility to monitor their children's activity.
And I am all for giving parents more parental controls, right?
Putting control back in the users.
If you're a parent and you feel like, listen, I don't want my child exposed to this stuff.
You should have more controls over the, you know, over your child's online experience if you want to kind of, you know. turn the iPad off in certain ways or whatever.
Those are, that's fine.
No one's against that, really.
I think when the government steps in and declares, you know, these anti-porn initiatives, you have to see what they declare as porn.
And the problem is, Owen, as you probably know, is that this is a very slippery slope.
This has been traditionally a very slippery slope where, you know, porn is suddenly any, basically any content that they don't like, often graphic content.
So there'll be, again, like depictions of violence.
This is why you couldn't see Israeli war crimes, right?
Because that was like adult material.
And so this idea of adult material just goes, it goes south very quickly.
I don't think it's what a lot of people sort of consider porn.
And it can also be sex ed, which we want young people to be educated about their bodies.
I totally think like, listen, I think that there's a lot of, you know, whatever about that, but I don't think we want to raise a world where, you know, 17 year old girls like are getting pregnant because they don't know how their bodies work.
Okay.
We want them to have some sort of ability to gain access to information about their bodies.
Whether how that happens, whatever.
But I just think that we just, we, we need to preserve people's access to information.
And there are things on the left and right.
Like you could pick issues on the left and you could pick issues on the right, right?
Like you could pick issues.
There are a lot of leftist issues that people want access to information on.
I care more about those, but there's a lot of like right-coded things that people want access to information on.
They censor, you know, access to information on guns, on firearm safety, on addiction issues.
Like there's just so many different things in our world, just the way that you can go to the library and check out lots of books, right?
We don't ban books in this country theoretically.
More and more we do, but we shouldn't.
And people of all ages deserve access to that information.
And the problem is once you start trying to cut that access to information off from kids, the only way to determine who's a kid and who's an adult is identity verification or age verification.
And if you can't comply with that age verification, suddenly you don't get access to really crucial information.
And people deserve the right to access information anonymously as well.
I mean, I think that like, I mean, I think porn is villainized in a really intense way.
And look, I'm not here to weigh in on the effects of like sort of what I don't know enough about kind of what types of porn effect, whatever, whatever.
I'm familiar with like the corrosive effect of certain types of online content.
Okay.
I don't think anybody would think that like kids that are lobbying.
That's not, I'm eager to see how that case plays out.
But no, if you film, if you film a sex act, that does not automatically count it as porn.
And there's a lot to litigate there and there's a lot of case law in that area.
But, you know, I'm not familiar with the specifics of the Diddy case.
But to anyone out there who thinks that they can do that, that's not something that you will be, you will lose that lawsuit if that's what you're doing.
I just think, I just think it's a logical inconsistency as well.
Let me let me ask you this.
This is the question I wanted to ask you before.
So, you know, it's one thing from my perspective, you know, watching what's happening with, you know, MAGA or watching what's happening with the Trump administration.
You know, my, my perspective is obviously different than yours.
What is it like for you watching this, kind of somebody that I guess I don't know?
You might try to be, would you say you're a moderate leftist?
I think it's always nice to see people that you don't necessarily support kind of implode on themselves.
I think that the MAGA base has like, I think there's just a lot of inconsistencies.
I think Trump has been a huge letdown to a lot of his base.
I think that he's failed to deliver on a lot of his promises.
And I think a lot more people in the MAGA base are realizing that he's not going to deliver on the things that he claimed to, like Epstein files, like all this other stuff, that he's not actually going to fight, but, you know, that he ultimately is just another stooge for Israel.
Like, I mean, I just think there's a lot more people under, honestly, waking up to the problems with the system, which makes me happy because I don't want those people to turn around and vote for Democrats necessarily.
I want them to fight for a system that is against corporate power, that is against institutional power, that puts the hands back, you know, in the people, power of the people, and fights for individual rights and liberties.
And I do, I guess, like the silver lining of all the MAGA drama is that more people are realizing, yeah, they're just not bought into this two-party system, which I ultimately think is very corrosive because I just want to be very clear.
I hate the Democrats.
I hate the Democrats, I think, more than some people in MAGA hate the Democrats.
I mean, there is in like the civil liberties world, but I agree.
It is very small.
And you're right that not people, people are not talking about it because no one actually cares about free speech.
I would say the Foundation for Individual Rights and Freedom, FIRE, has done great work on this.
Electronic Frontier Foundation has done great work.
If you go to badinternetbills.org or sorry, badinternetbills.com, that's Fight for the Future, which is a civil liberties org did a website that breaks down a lot of these bad laws.
You know, it's a lot of like libertarian orgs, I guess.
Tech Dirt, I would say, has done a great Mike Masnick at Tech Dirt does a great job.
If you want to go find a place for tech news, the website looks like it was made in 1995, but tech dirt.
would love if Trump actually drained the swamp and actually arrested all of these corrupt, you know, billionaire, like elite sort of global, like the, there are, there is this corrosive class in DC of people that I think has crossed party lines that are terrible.
That constantly, I mean, I think Jeffrey Epstein is sort of indicative of this.
And I think that's why that resid that resonated with so many people.
And I think, I mean, I just think a lot of the stuff you're saying applies to people, how so many people I speak to feel, where they're very sick of this system.
And they're very sick of, I think they thought Trump was going to come in and do all of this stuff and be their savior.
And like you said, he has this cult of personality.
I would argue he has, he has never that he was always kind of a fraud.
He was never going to do that stuff.
But I think that they're, you know, whether you're on the left or the right, I think just a lot more people are realizing that, yeah, we need leaders that actually care about the American people, care about working class people, care about Americans, don't want to send 800 billion zillion dollars to Israel, which we have to be loyal to for some reason.
Like, I think all of that stuff is stuff that actually a lot of Americans feel, no matter what, where they sort of stand politically.
And I think the midterms are about to reflect that in a way that most people aren't ready for, quite frankly.
I think the midterms and that process, the campaigns are going to really shed light on that in ways that a lot of Americans, specifically people on the right, just aren't ready.
They're just not ready for it.
So we try to prepare them, but they're not ready.
Would you, I officially, well, unofficially, actually, I unofficially announced I'm starting a new party today.
Well, this is why, by the way, they want to censor speech.
Like this feeling that you're articulating and this like groundswell of momentum that people are feeling that is against, that is, I think you're right, by the way, that a lot of, there's a lot of criminals in Congress, but these, this broad sentiment on the internet and among the public is why they are cracking down so aggressively on speech.
And that is why they're seeking to ram through these 18 bills because they want to gain control of the media ecosystem, gain control of the internet and shut all of that down so that everybody just goes back to, you know, voting their little party lines and lobbying their congressmen and getting in line and never questioning the system.
That is what they want.
And so I think we need to use our voices while we can to challenge those powers.
The olds, I'm sorry to say, I don't do the generational warfare.
I don't have anything against the older generations.
I respect my elders, but I think it's pretty clear right now.
The boomer class and the olds have to go.
You guys have destroyed everything.
And it feels to me right now like they're stealing everything they can before they leave.
That's what this administration is starting to represent to me, that they're going to steal whatever isn't nailed to the wall before they leave, before their generational run is over.
And it's the younger generations, the Gen Xs, the millennials, before we decide to get in power and how we want to run the country.
It's like they're stealing everything they can from us before their time is up.
And I figured, you know, you just, you listened to him and you were just like, I just don't want him to start, get everybody ramped up in the major cities because I'll be watching for that guy.
I think that's yeah, I mean, it's probably all a show because he just wants to be the guy, the Reiner or the guy that stands out, you know, since what was the other?
There was going to be a lot of turnover in these midterms.
I'm hoping, because I don't want the Democrats in charge, but it doesn't make a difference at this point.
So I guess I really don't even care as much.
But it looks like the redistricting could save the Republican Party's ass and Trump's ass, quite frankly.
But we'll see.
Thanks for the call.
The way, we are going to do better on the super chats on YouTube as the YouTube channel is growing.
Owen report on YouTube, as we're growing there, we're getting more super chats.
So I'm going to do better at checking those.
I'm In Your Head says Charlie's neck was made of steel and the Twin Towers were made of neck bones.
Okay, I see what you did there.
The Chrono Mad, relatable crash out.
And he says, he's talking about my crash out, I guess.
I had to join the crash out party, didn't I?
I was lacking in the crash out category.
So I had to join the party, guys.
It was fear of missing out, is what it was.
The Chrono Mad says, just got an email from Meta that on December 16th, they will begin using my interactions with AIs to personalize ads and experiences.
Well, of course, you know that that's already going on.
You know that that's already happening, but I guess now they're just letting you know.
But I just mean, like, I've talked to my local radio host here, and I'm like, I go, well, you know, that pipe bomber, they don't look, the legs don't match.
His real short, stubby, retarded legs aren't the same as that tall lesbian Capitol Police worker who they initially.
And like I said, this rumor's been going around for a long time.
But there's two stories on Drudge Report today that Dan Bongino is about to be out and that apparently the cabinet might look a little different in 2026.
So, like I said, I mean, these rumors have been around for a long time.
So, it's like, okay, it's either going to happen or it's not.
We'll cover it when it does.
But those rumors are out right now.
And we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I appreciate your call.
Super chat.
Pittsburgh bad.
How many trillions went out in foreign aid and came back in the pockets of our elected officials?
Also, keep your feet on the floor.
Well, I had to show you the heel turn, Pittsburgh bad.
Yeah, I just wanted to call in and say that, you know, with all this talk of the Jews and Israel, it's actually the Jesuit order and the black pope in Rome who runs all the secret societies and the government of Israel.
It's called the Knights of the Equestrian Order.
They're like the highest military order in the Vatican and they're running the Crusades in Israel right now.
And it all goes back to the Knights Templars and the Knights of Malta who run all Freemasonry also based on the Templars.
And they want to rebuild Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem with all our gold that they stole because we don't have any gold or real currency because they stole all their gold in 1933.
So they can rebuild Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.
I kind of talked this earlier because people, I love music and implementing music into my show was an intention of mine.
It was something I wanted to do.
The problem is, I can't do it because I get struck on all the different platforms when I play music.
I don't know why.
I don't know if that's only me or whatever, but it was like, I can't do it.
I literally can't do it.
And so that's why we just go with the free use old school video game music.
We're going to revamp it a little bit.
I plan on doing some revamping with some things for the new year for 2026.
You'll notice some appearance differences.
You'll notice maybe some audio differences.
We're going to do some of that in 2026.
But yeah, that's why we play the two-bit video game music is because it's free use and I don't get struck.
So they don't let me play music.
But what I might, what I'm considering doing next year too, is maybe just once a month just to scratch the itch and to the people that want to do it.
You know, we'll just have some fun.
But once a month doing like a DJ set, not even like a DJ set, like I'm at a, like a booth at a, at a club or something.
I mean like a more classical radio type of a DJ set.
And I'll just maybe once a month just do it on Rumble and I'll just play music for like an hour or two, songs that I like that people have never heard or bands that you've never heard of and just kind of do like a more like a classical radio type of a like a DJ, like, you know, moving the disc jockeys around.
So I'm considering launching something like that in 2026 since I can't scratch the music itch here, just doing something different only on Rumble.
But I got to say, as far as policy is concerned and track record is concerned, DeSantis is going to have a pretty strong case in 2028 if he decides to go.