Dr. Peter McCullough challenges flu vaccine mandates, citing his own 40-year refusal and a Cleveland Clinic study showing vaccinated individuals had higher flu risk. He demands market removal of COVID vaccines, liability for manufacturers, and bans on mandates, linking autism to excessive vaccination. Shroyer questions RFK Jr.’s shift from vaccines to Tylenol, calling it misguided amid broader healthcare corruption. McCullough warns GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic cause muscle loss and metabolic harm, favoring oral peptides instead, while Shroyer defends intuitive weight management. Their debate exposes systemic flaws in centralized medicine, urging patients to reclaim autonomy over their health. [Automatically generated summary]
Oh, good afternoon now to our friends on the East Coast and good morning to our friends on the West Coast.
It is Ask the Doctor time brought to you by the Wellness Company.
And joining us from the Wellness Company is Dr. Peter McCullough, a good friend of mine and really emerged as one of the great hero doctors when we were going through the COVID tyranny and the vax tyranny.
And we may revisit some of those issues today with Dr. McCullough, as he was on the forefront of that.
And really, the wellness company at large has kind of been at the forefront of one issue that we're going to discuss today, which is this attempt to centralize medicine, centralized treatment, centralized protocols, and really kind of end that unique, special doctor, client, doctor-patient relationship that has been so valuable, I think, in America or any free country for that matter when it comes to healthcare.
So we're going to be talking about that today.
But Dr. McCullough, I have to start this conversation with something I'm seeing more and more of here.
And it seems like this is kind of becoming the norm when you go out and you see all of this flu vaccine promotion is what I see.
I see it on buses.
I see it on television.
I see it when I go out to public events that might have a PA system like a ball game or a concert.
And so they're still kind of just force feeding us this idea that you need to take the flu vaccine, the seasonal flu shot.
But Dr. McCullough, can you maybe give the audience what your thoughts are on the seasonal flu vaccine and if you believe it is safe and effective, those words we're so used to hearing?
So the point is, for people our age or healthy, the chances of getting influenza are way less than 1%.
So the issue at hand here is, are we going to take a vaccine where our annual risk for the problem is less than 1%?
A vaccine that doesn't stop transmission, doesn't stop actually acquiring the infection.
And the purported benefits theoretically is that it would reduce severe disease.
So every year, the CDC has a campaign to push influenza vaccine.
That's a problem.
Our public health agencies should not be in the business of pushing any medicine or vaccine.
They should be neutral on products.
But instead, the CDC every year has a campaign and they evaluate the prior year in terms of estimated vaccine efficacy.
So in my view as a doctor, the only vaccine that would be worth my while would be something that's at least 50% protective against acquiring the illness.
The influenza vaccine most years is well below 50%.
And most recently, a paper by Shreffa and colleagues from Cleveland Clinic, 51,000 Cleveland Clinic employees, so they have this lockdown that they showed that those who took the influenza vaccine have a greater chance of getting flu, that the vaccine actually backfires.
Prior randomized trials have shown if you do take the flu vaccine, you actually have a higher risk of getting the common cold.
So for many reasons, I stopped taking them.
I took 40 in a row, 40 years in a row to be on medical staff at hospitals.
I'm going to have to ask you to repeat that because it sounded like you said, not only did you take the flu shot for 40 straight years, but it sounds like there was institutional pressure even.
And, you know, there's so much wrong with that dynamic.
It's like, where do I even want to begin?
There's kind of the fascist angle of that, where it's saying, hey, we're going to force you to consume this product.
And then there's kind of the logical fallacy, which I think really it hit a lot of people with the COVID vaccines, which was, hey, if you're vaccinated against COVID, believing it works, let's say it was 100% safe and effective.
Not that we're promoting that here today, but let's just say it was.
And then there was this like logical fallacy that was, oh, if you're not vaccinated, somehow you're putting me at risk.
But if you're vaccinated, obviously that wouldn't make sense if you believe that the vaccine is safe and effective.
How do they, you know, one of the craziest things about this, and I can only imagine from the actual perspective of a doctor being behind the scenes, because we see some of it on the surface level and you guys will do interviews like this.
But I mean, just dealing with the logical fallacies inside of these medical institutions, I can't even imagine how infuriating it is.
Some doctors probably just give up, Peter.
They probably just say, I'm not even going to try to fight the system.
And sometimes it was New Year's Eve and I was getting it because I literally was going to be locked out of the hospital on January 1st.
And I can tell you that my eyes were opened a few years ago.
My brother, who's an investment guy in Dallas at the time, one of his colleagues just took a routine flu shot and he became permanently paralyzed with a syndrome called Guillain-Beret syndrome or GBS.
And he's been bedridden since that time.
This guy was a perfectly normal, healthy, productive man who after an innocent flu shot now, his life is ruined.
And there's been manuscripts published on this.
There's been an explosion of Guillain-Beret cases.
Sure, it's rare, but it's directly due to influenza vaccine.
And the current statistics are half of America takes this vaccine that doesn't work and in some cases delivers rare but very disabling permanent side effects.
Well, you now, now half of the doctors that we've had on this show to interview about this have now recently talked about a patient developing Guillain-Beret syndrome after taking one of these vaccines.
How much is that warned about?
You know, how many people go in?
We'll talk about America here.
How many Americans go in to a clinic to get their influenza vaccine and are warned about this stuff?
Is it just in one of those tiny little printouts that they have to unfold a thousand times and read?
Is the person that is actually putting the injection into their arm, are they warning them?
In fact, the last shot I took in 2021, I actually asked for the package insert and she had to kind of pull it out of the garbage pail that was thrown in there.
But, you know, it does list in there these side effects.
I mean, this is very important.
So the companies will say, listen, we warned you, but the way it's presented, what's called the process of consent, is very much corrupted now.
But this idea of this false narrative of safe and effective, you know, because influenza is rare in us, we would be taking this vaccine to prevent a rare event, and then having a side effect is rare.
So the human mind has a hard time dealing with rare or infrequent problems.
But I got to tell you, one case of Guillain Beret syndrome, I got to tell you, that's one case too many for me.
Well, it's like, who would rather have Guillain Beret than the flu, right?
I mean, you can probably get over the flu, even a bad one in a week.
Whereas Guillain Beret, you're going to be stuck like that.
There's nothing you're going to be able to really do.
And, you know, I guess this kind of brings us to, you know, one of the issues that the Trump administration, before it got in, was kind of running with the Make America Healthy Again movement and RFK Jr. and some of the people that he brought in.
There was kind of this anti-medical establishment wing, let's say, of the Trump campaign and now of the Trump administration.
It seems like it's gone kind of silent.
I wouldn't say it's been, personally, I wouldn't say it's been a total failure, but it does seem to leave a little bit to be desired from people like you who've been through kind of the corrupt side.
You've exposed, you've seen the corrupt side of the medical establishment.
And then somebody like me who's just a natural contrarian and really a believer in natural health.
Maha right now from this administration, it seems to leave a lot to be desired.
Let me just tell you what I would do if I was in RFK's position.
I think that's the easiest thing to say.
So I'm not a public figure and I'm not a government employee.
Thank you.
This is what I would have done.
Day one, I would have pulled the COVID vaccines off the market, initiated a safety review, and directed the NIH to have a massive campaign to research and treat vaccine injuries.
That's day one.
The next thing I would have done is I would have worked with Congress to write a bill to rescind the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act and have the companies face liability.
Immediately, they would pull their vaccines off the market.
Keep in mind, AstraZeneca and Janssen had already pulled their vaccines off the market because of blood clouds.
So you know ethical companies will do that.
And then I would have written legislation or asked Trump to write an executive order.
And then I would have banned all school, military, or employment vaccine requirements of any kind.
And I would have depressurized this entire thing.
The whole reason why there's a Maha movement is there's a lot of people concerned about vaccine safety in that contingent.
And then what I would have done is I would have written legislation or asked for an executive order to ban direct-to-consumer advertising on TV.
That way TV stations could start to give unbiased medical reporting.
That would have been day one.
Those four things would have been day one.
Then I would have done, and this is the great missed opportunity.
This is how Kennedy could change healthcare, but he's not doing it.
He needs to start calling in a series of monthly meetings in Washington.
We call them Bethesda meetings.
We've had them before.
So there's a new structure where you bring in all the chiefs of medicine, you bring in big pharma, the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, public groups.
You have a big forum and you have an agenda and you start tackling topics, from vaccine safety to the autism epidemic to natural products that look promising for cancer.
And the reason why you can pull off these meetings and you get everybody in the room, none of this Zoom stuff, you have all the face-to-face is because Kennedy can say, listen, you're receiving government money through CMS and through the National Institutes of Health.
You're expected to show up at the meeting.
So have the corporate CEO, the chief medical officer, the chief of medicine.
You figure out who the designees are for your institution.
But I want to see Harvard there and Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic and just rattle them off.
And you know what?
He could change.
He could have changed healthcare in a year if we had that type of leadership.
And you don't have to hire any new employees.
You don't have to, because these meetings are so powerful to get people in the same room.
Then there could be no, you know, there could be no excuse that, wow, I didn't know about the emerging data on ivermectin and membenazole in cancer, for instance, or I didn't know about the spike protein.
No one can say that anymore because we've had these Bethesda meetings, which are recorded.
The proceedings are written up and quickly published.
I mean, what a missed opportunity.
That goes to show, if I had RFK's position, that's what have been accomplished now.
And it's just, you know, we're obviously two different people.
Well, it makes an outsider like me wonder, because I think RFK Jr. probably had at least a similar mindset, maybe not the exact schematic that you just laid out, but I think he had a similar mindset.
And it just seems like once you get into DC, you just get stuck, right?
You just get stuck in the mud.
Things seem to slow down, which is good.
We don't want the government encroaching in our lives.
But it seems like with the good stuff, it's even harder.
It's even harder to do the right thing for the American people when you get involved.
We'll see what happens when it's all said and done with this.
But I think a lot of people agree right now that, hey, there's a lot left to be desired here.
Now, it's funny on the vaccine topic, because this happens a lot if you ever go to a doctor's office or something and they ask you, oh, are you vaccinated?
And it's just like, I'm always excited to see the reaction.
I say, no, I've never taken a single vaccine.
And the panic, Dr. McCullough, the fear, they start shaking.
They can't even believe it.
Like I'm an alien and I'm going to shoot lasers out of my eyes or something.
And the truth is for me, it's strange because it's like I've never been an unhealthy person ever.
I've always been a healthy person.
I don't get the seasonal flu ever.
I'm rarely, if ever, sick.
I rarely, if ever, miss work.
And I believe for me, for my health practices, it's taking supplements.
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Again, for me, it's all about, I'm kind of a supplement head.
I'm probably what would be considered the extreme level where I'm taking like 20 different supplements a day.
You know, maybe you can maybe get away with five.
I'm taking 20.
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So, so what is it then?
We don't want to force you to take a vaccine.
We don't want to recommend the vaccine.
But I'll tell you what, if you're worried about getting the seasonal flu or something like that, what is something you can do to help build your immune system?
And, you know, there's so many stories I could tell about that.
Like, you know, when they send you to prison, my wonderful vacation to prison in the Biden administration, you know, you have to go see a doctor and they take you through the routine because a lot of people are there for years, right?
So this is your doctor for the next five, 10 years, whatever.
So, yeah, the doctor went into kind of a state of panic when she found out that I hadn't had a vaccine.
And then she was even more panicked when I was like, no, I don't want the Hep B vaccine.
No, I don't want the COVID vaccine.
No, I don't want your flu vaccine.
Then she was even more panicked, like, oh, I got a crazy on my head.
Then she tried to give me a pill for cholesterol.
So I'm just sitting here.
I'm like, my God, I'm in prison for like, it was like 72 hours, and I'm already, they're already trying to turn me into a big pharma cow.
So in Louisiana, if I would have been in a different state, but because of the regulations and the laws in Louisiana at that time, they couldn't force me to take anything.
They had some pretty good medical freedom statutes at that time.
So they couldn't force me to take anything.
Thank God.
Some other people in different states didn't have such luck.
It's mainly been independent media, but I have to tell you, I think it should, I'll be all over CNN and Fox and all the major stations.
Our paper was published on the European Commission Open Air Zenodo server.
It's already had 200,000 downloads and reads.
A typical scientific paper, there's only gets like 250.
And, you know, we believe the report, which was sent to Robert F. Kennedy and everybody in charge at CDC and HHS.
And we were told not to expect a response because they don't want to correspond with external email addresses.
But we think this report is what moved the CDC to change their language on the website within three weeks of getting the report where they said, you know, the statement that autism is not linked to vaccines is not evidence-based.
It's not evidence-based because we analyzed all those 29 studies and we showed that they were flawed.
So this was a big deal.
Senator Bill Cassidy gets out on CNN and all the major news stations and he's pounding the CDC.
And, you know, we've messaged Cassidy to say, listen, just read the report.
And fortunately, HHS came out and kind of backed this up and said, listen, we're responding to the gold standard science, i.e. the McCullough Foundation report.
In fact, I think people have found, and the numbers are disputed, but people have found that big pharmaceutical ad buys are one of the cornerstones for network news, for cable news, those big pharmaceutical ad buys.
Now, RFK Jr. had talked about removing those from TV.
That's probably an obstacle for somebody like you.
That's probably an obstacle for the study that you are releasing here because the people that sponsor cable news, those products, your study is shedding new light on those products that they might not want to be there.
And the same would be true regarding any pharmaceutical that has side effects.
So if we were brought news about bleeding complications with blood thinners, I guarantee you would never make it on CNN because they have a contract with Pfizer and Pfizer makes the most widely used blood thinner, Eloquist.
And that's how this goes.
The pharmaceutical contracts essentially become a filter for medical reporting.
So you don't actually get a decent medical report on CNN or MSNBC or CBC and ABC.
You can't because the pharmaceutical companies control the content.
So in general, the content is just favorable to their products.
I think, you know, that's why the COVID era, let's say, changed so many people's perspective on it that really, I don't think they're going back, right?
You know, the things that we saw changed their minds or their interpretation of the medical industry permanently.
And that kind of gets me to something that the wellness company is fighting against, something that you personally were fighting against during the pandemic, which was this decentralization of medical care, this decentralization of medical protocols.
I think we found it to be deadly, actually, during COVID.
I think that we found Dr. Fauci's protocols to be deadly.
Where is that fight today?
Where we stand as far as this attempt to centralize everything versus what the wellness company is trying to do, which is decentralize.
And, you know, Trump has kind of helped you, I think, a bit in that endeavor.
So the theme was during the pandemic is to centralize things.
Remember when Jacinda R. Dern in New Zealand said there will be a single source of medical truth, the government.
Well, I can tell you as a doctor, there is no single source.
No two doctors agree.
We all have different approaches.
No two lawyers agree on legal issues.
No two plumbers agree on how to manage a plumbing problem.
So we need independent thought and opinions.
We need independent protocols.
During COVID, we saw the medical institutions provide no innovation.
There was no Harvard protocol on how to treat COVID or there's no hospital that claims to be any good at treating inpatient COVID.
There's no comparative data.
I mean, COVID changed everything.
Wellness company, we've said, listen, we have a doctor's group.
In fact, over time, contractually, we've changed the doctor's group when we're entitled to do that.
The doctors have their own opinions.
We have a medical board that has their own opinions.
We are using prescription drugs as well as nutraceuticals and supplements, but it's always in shared decision-making with the patient.
There's no pressure or coercion or threat of reprisal.
I'm in my medical practice here in Dallas.
I guarantee my opinions on my last patient will be different than the next doctor's opinions.
If we've learned anything, Owen, we should reject centralization of medicine.
We should reject centralization of protocols.
And it's one of the mistakes that Kennedy and his group is making right now is they're trying to think, they're trying to think that Maha, Make America Healthy Again, is a government operation.
It's not.
Make America Healthy Again is an operation among the people.
It's the people control.
Each person controls their own medical health, their own personal autonomy, not the government.
Insurance is a massive barrier in what's happening.
Today, I just spent, I've spent a month now trying to get one of my patients with a mechanical heart valve the proper monitoring on his blood thinner called Warfriend.
And this is critical.
I have to be able to monitor it.
His insurance covers monitoring, his home testing equipment.
They have put me through a fax wet signature date process multiple times.
A, I shouldn't be using fax machines.
I should be able to email.
The order should be accepted on the first time.
Why are they, Owen?
Why are they doing this?
They're trying to deny him the care that he needs.
If you're the insurance company, you want to charge the highest premium possible and you want to have the least amount of payout.
And how the insurance companies restrict their payouts is by prior authorization, using fax machines where the faxes are lost, all these administrative delays.
The prior authorization approach to have insurance companies approve something that I order, that effectively kills at least half of the doctor's orders for diagnostics and tests.
Think about this.
So patients need these things, and the insurance company is killing that therapeutic and management step.
Well, and that's why I go back to what you laid out earlier with this is what you would do if you were in RFK Jr.'s shoes, because it's like, yeah, you do have a litany of issues, right?
Okay.
So now we have to, now we have to prioritize and we have to sit down with the team and we have to say, okay, can we try to tackle an issue in, say, a week, a month, whatever, whatever it's going to take?
And then you just lay it out in a two-year, a four-year term, however long you think you're going to be doing this.
And that's how it needs to be done.
But it seems like, and this goes beyond just RFK Jr., it just seems like, you know, there's a lot of talk, there's a lot of ideas, and then people get into DC and it just seems like things go by the wayside.
There's distractions.
People are waving the white flag.
I don't know what it is.
We've seen this with more issues than obviously just with RFK Jr.
But I know that there's a lot of buzz.
I mean, I talked to some of the, let's say, groups of parents that are really into organics and holistics or alternative medicine.
I'm in some of these other health nut groups that are just, they try to just avoid the medical establishment altogether.
But obviously, I talked to your team of doctors at the wellness company and I talked to some other doctors as well.
It seems though the ideas behind Maha, it seems that the things that we were looking to accomplish, those aren't going away.
I can tell you, every day I have patients inquiring about, you know, generic, repurposed, or natural approaches to cancer.
So the National Cancer Institute ought to embark on a major research program regarding repurposed drugs and natural products for the treatment of cancer.
We're not replacing chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery, but people want to do everything they possibly can.
And, you know, here we are a year later, the National Cancer Institute, you know, they have one ivermectin trial up and running at Cedar Sina in UCLA.
Oh, and but I can tell you right now, it's very disappointing.
I think one of the problems in Washington is we have these bloated agencies.
I mean, think about the CDC.
They have a $9 billion budget, 12,000 employees.
Many are doctors, MDs, PhDs, what have you.
And they essentially do nothing.
They don't treat any patients.
They don't run any hospitals.
You know, they're providing some guidelines, some in vitro diagnostics.
Can you imagine a $9 billion budget?
Most of these people are on Zoom.
And I guarantee day by day, as I'm seeing patients writing manuscripts, giving lectures, day by day, these people are essentially doing nothing on Zoom.
12,000 employees, I think that could be trimmed massively.
$9 billion could be trimmed.
But yet we heard recently, Elon Musk came in and he saw this waste, fraud, and abuse.
That's a whole nother issue that I don't know if you're, I don't know if you're trying to go into that, folks, but listen up.
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I want to get back to your study on autism.
Now, this was something that it was kind of a big buildup.
I think that, you know, RFK Jr., they came out, they made their big report on the vaccine side effects with autism.
And then they kind of just landed on Tylenol.
They kind of just ended up pushing the issue with Tylenol or Ibuprofen or astaminophen.
And it was like all of a sudden we weren't talking about the vaccine anymore.
What do you think happened there?
Now, that's not to say that there might not be something there with Tylenol and those other type of pills that might be leading to autism in different stages of young life or pregnancy even.
But I thought we were talking about vaccines here.
I think they were going to tell America that there's concerns regarding excessive vaccination in children and autism.
And somebody from the vaccine lobbyists came in at the last minute and said, listen, pin it on Tylenol.
Because Trump came out, he couldn't even pronounce it.
He goes, acetaminophen wasn't.
And Trump couldn't stick to this new talking point.
And so Trump ultimately said, I think we're vaccinating kids too much.
And you could see the body language with RFK and others that kind of put out this misdirection communication on Tylenol.
And let me tell you, we consider Tylenol in the McCullough Foundation report.
Believe me, it's the least of my concerns during pregnancy.
There are some heavy-duty drugs that could predispose subsequently the baby to autism, but they include antipsychotics, anti-epileptics, heavy antidepressants.
But the drug's got to be taken every day during pregnancy, and the drug has to influence neuronal function of the developing fetus, not taking a Tylenol dose because you have a headache or something.
And so immediately, the American College of Obstetrics Gynecology, Pediatrics, and everything, they said, come on, Tylenol is the only safe antipyretic analgesic we can give in pregnancy.
And there's been a huge study on this by Altquist and colleagues from Sweden.
20 years of data, millions of mothers, every Tylenol capsule accounted for.
And they even had siblings in the same parents where during one pregnancy, the mother took some Tylenol.
The other pregnancy, she didn't take any Tylenol.
And the final analysis, Owen, is there's no risks with Tylenol.
So, you know, RFK and the rest of the HHS staff, they just embarrassed themselves.
And immediately, myself and other qualified doctors and scientists said, listen, they just shouldn't do that.
We should have doctors with medical authority in Washington.
We don't have them right now.
And if I would have been called in at that press conference, I would have told Trump, no, that's a no-go.
Well, I almost feel that somewhere it seems like the purpose has been lost, perhaps.
And it was like, what was the purpose?
The purpose was, and R.F. Jr. talked about this all the time.
The purpose was, all right, let's just look at some facts here.
The United States of America spends the most money on health care and medical, and yet somehow we're the most unhealthy country on earth for a so-called advanced civilization, at least.
So it's just like, okay, something is wrong there.
Then you look at the obesity epidemic and you look at the chronic illness, chronic disease epidemic, and it's just like, okay, hold on.
We need to push pause here.
We need to focus on what is causing this stuff.
And you basically have to use deductive reasoning and you say, okay, when did we start doing this?
Or when did we start doing that?
Okay, that aligns with when this epidemic broke out.
That aligns with when obesity started to break out.
It was like, okay, that was kind of the purpose was like, we're going to unravel all of this and we're going to find the root cause of these issues.
And sometimes they've addressed it.
But yeah, and then they have that meeting and it's like, okay, we're going to find the root cause of autism.
And then they kind of bait and switch us.
How do we repurpose this so it's not like, all right, we're just going to, we're just going to say, okay, we're going to talk about Tylenol today.
Or even, hey, we're just going to talk about this vaccine.
It's like, no, no, no, we need to unravel the entire system and find out the root cause of these things.
We shouldn't have the obesity epidemic.
We shouldn't have the chronic disease epidemic.
And coming out here and saying, okay, Tylenol, that's not going to change anything, doctor.
Well, what you're calling for is what's called risk factor analysis.
These are complex illnesses.
There's multiple different risk factors.
So for autism, it's clear now that a big bundle of vaccines in a susceptible child is a risk factor for autism.
How do we reduce the rates of autism?
Vaccinate less or have healthy people like Owen Schroer take no vaccines from birth.
That's how we actually eliminate risks of autism and seizures and ticks and attention deficit disorder.
Now, obesity and diabetes is a separate issue.
That's much more dietary and fitness.
And, you know, I have to tell you, the American pediatric and childhood population needs an overhaul in diet.
And it's hard to change people's dietary choices, but chicken, McNuggets, and fries, there's a direct effect on the child getting obese and developing diabetes.
And the point is these drugs clearly curb appetite.
You take an injection, you just do not want to eat.
That's the mechanism by which people lose weight.
They have favorable cardiovascular and renal outcomes of interest.
And They've got some safety issues that, you know, as doctors were aware of, and, you know, I do prescribe them in obese diabetics, people with heart and kidney disease.
What we're trying to do is figure out how can the general population safely benefit from these without causing harm or excessive medical costs to the system.
And we know about 6% of adults are currently taking these drugs right now.
15% have actually had them at some point in time, but the average person stays on the injections no more than nine months.
And so at the wellness company, we've innovated with forms of these peptides in what's called an aquasome or a certain kind of little capsule so it can manage the GI tract.
And you can actually take these orally in a drop format, not a pill format.
And the lead product is retitrutide, which is a triple acting ozempic-like drug, but it's in drops.
And boy, does it work.
I've had so many patients lose weight.
I've had one person lose weight, you know, 90 pounds, and it doesn't have the side effect profile of the injections in my clinical experience.
So this is an innovation.
We also have semaglutide ozempic, but again, in this unique formulation as a spray.
So you can just do a couple squirts in the mouth and get control over this.
These are wonderful products for people to consider.
You can do this.
The doctor does approve this from the wellness company, but you can do this without having to see your primary care doctor and have insurance companies involved.
Well, it's done internally at the wellness company.
And then the patient can control their own destiny.
And these are combined with forms of oral capsule supplements as well that kind of rebalance the body's metabolism, curb hunger, and they really do work.
I mean, I had a patient come in today doing great.
She was actually on that one you're showing, peak metabolism.
She had a history of diabetes.
But, you know, I got to tell you, Owen, if somebody loses five pounds of body fat, already the blood test numbers improve.
She had lost 18 pounds, and it was night and day in terms of her blood test results, her physical exam.
So, you know, I am favorable to these more naturopathic, self-control, you know, self-controlled, self-regulated approaches.
We will use the prescription drugs in heavy-duty cases, but I think there's a limit to how many people can take the prescription injections.
A recent paper in JAMA indicated that maybe 50% of all Americans should be on Ozempic shots.
Well, and then, you know, blood health is a whole nother topic of conversation that we don't need to get into today.
But, you know, it's funny when I'm hearing you because I didn't, I mean, I didn't look into the actual effects or what, why the GLP-1 peptides work.
I kind of just look at more of the news stuff when it pops up in the news and I see it.
And it's funny when you say, well, it's just essentially it's making you lose your appetite, right?
It's making you stop eating.
And it's so funny to hear you say that because so many things, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think so many things when you think about your own health or just general health practices, it's like so much of it is intuitive, right?
It's like, I need to eat better.
I need to sleep better.
You know, I need to exercise, right?
It's like, it's just duh.
So much of this stuff is just so intuitive.
But it's funny.
You know, I've got friends.
I've got friends and they work out a lot or I've got friends at the gym and they see me and I'm pretty lean, Doc.
You know, I don't know what my body fat is, but I'm guessing it's definitely in the single digits.
And they'll ask me and they'll say, hey, you know, I kind of got this stubborn belly fat and I kind of, you know, I can't really get that cut that I'm looking for.
And I just, you know, I ask them, I'm saying, well, what's your diet?
And they're like, oh, I eat a lot.
I'm like, well, there it is.
I'm like, it's literally, if you want to lose weight, you have to stop eating.
And so I get it.
It kind of sounds, it sounds nonsensical to say, hey, stop eating.
It's like, well, you have to eat, obviously.
But it's just true.
Fasting is healthy for you.
If you do a 24-hour fast, I mean, I've done, I did a 72-hour fast once.
You'll lose, you can lose five pounds like that.
And if you, and if you stay healthy and stay exercising, you can keep that weight off.
So it's just true.
Sometimes you just got to stop eating or eat a lot less.
Now, we think with the drop formats and the spray formats we have at Wellness Company, we're giving such a low dose.
We're still getting that, taking the edge off hunger, but not getting that deep metabolic effect.
But it's important as you lose weight to not only make healthy choices, reduce portion control, reconnect with your hunger, but also do aerobic and strength training.
I have patients losing weight where I tell them to lift weights because as the muscle mass increases in the body, there's greater and more efficient utilization of glucose and free fatty acid.
So everything gets better with exercise, both aerobic and strength.
And it really just comes with a healthy lifestyle.
And if you're eating the right things, you don't have to do too much.
You don't.
You just have to eat the right things, get the right exercise routine, and you can maintain good health.
You don't have to look like a professional bodybuilder or a model or an athlete, but you can take care of yourself.
And I've learned this too.
And I always tell young guys this that I see at the gym.
You know, when you're, it's so much easier when you're young, right?
And it's not like I'm, it's not like I'm cracking some secret code here, but it's so much easier when you're young.
And if you can build, if, you know, for young people listening to this, if you can build a healthy foundation when you're young, that will benefit you so much into the future.
Because I've got, you know, some friends that for the first 30 years of their lives basically were pretty inactive, right?
They were pretty inactive.
And now they're looking at themselves.
They're 30 and they're thinking, hey, I want to change something.
I want to lose weight.
I want to get stronger.
I've got these goals I want to reach.
But if you're just trying to start that journey at 30, it is going to be so much more difficult to do that.
Whereas if you started at 20, maybe make some bad health decisions down the road.
But if you started at 20 to try to rekindle that in your 30s and 40s, it is so much easier.
And maybe it was smartphones that changed everything.
Because me and my friends, we love to play video games.
We'd sit in the basement for hours playing video games, doing overnights, whatever, eating junk food.
But that was after we played football, you know, tackle football outside.
That was after we went down to the park and played tennis or basketball or jumped on the trampoline all day.
We always had physical activity first.
And then at the end of the day, it seemed that that's kind of when we would get glued into the video games.
I'm wondering if there's not, I don't know if it's smartphones.
I don't know what it is.
And maybe it's the kind of the addiction to, I don't know, maybe there's an addiction to this technology, but it seems like, I mean, they're cutting physical fitness from the schools.
Parks are like empty these days.
Parks, you go to a park on a Saturday 20 years ago, you know, you can't even find a bench.
Now it's like parks are empty.
I don't know if there's, I don't know if there's something we can point to that says this is what's causing it, but it does seem that kids just aren't as active these days.
So a lot of this is already, yeah, a lot of this is already cooked into kind of my supplement routine.
But I will say biotin is one.
You're getting plenty of it here.
Biotin is definitely one that will help you with beard and hair growth for sure.
Very well studied.
I highly recommend biotin.
And it looks like you've got some of the good oils in here too.
I have like, I don't wash my hair too much, but I will say that getting the right hair routine is very important for me right now.
I've got the longer hair going.
I've got like five different types of shampoos or conditioners.
I don't do it every day, but once you kind of get it down to a science, it's like, all right, I do this one once a week or I do this one twice a month or I do this one, you know, at night before bed, whatever.
I mean, the trend is the thought is we may be over washing our hair and washing out a lot of the oils and a lot of the natural, you know, the hair has its own kind of ecosystem.
And by washing it over and over again.
So, you know, over time, I'm down to about once every five or six days now.
My wife, who's got a huge head of hair and really thick, you know, she's about once every two weeks, believe it or not.
You know, and for you who has spent countless hours running, I'm sure you kind of dealt with the toe issue.
I had, you know, I was somebody that was playing a lot of basketball in my late 20s, early 30s.
That was kind of my go-to sport.
And I started to notice that, you know, the more time I spent in those shoes, my toes started to get a little more compressed.
And if you've seen it, you know, if you've seen any of these NBA players' toes, they look like, you know, they're straight out of like an alien sci-fi.
So I got one of these toe spacers.
I started using these toe spacers.
It's improved my gait.
It's improved my walk so much.
Now I can actually see the space in between my toes.
It's very important.
So you've got the grounding angle of it.
You've got the spacing of the toes.
Yeah, a lot of this stuff, you just kind of go back to the natural human roots.
You know, you just kind of go back to what humans have been doing forever, especially if you run in cleats a lot.
That was a problem I had when I was younger playing soccer when I would run in cleats a lot.
And I think that that's when I don't know if that, I don't know if you would call it the plantar fasciitis, but that bottom of your foot would start to get a little tight because your toes and your foot would get used to walking on spikes and then you'd take it off and you'd have to kind of change your gait, change your stride.
And that can mess up, you know, that can mess, that can kind of mess things up a little bit.