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Oct. 30, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
34:46
Former Sniper Reveals Ballistics Test From 30.06 Bullet That Allegedly Hit Charlie Kirk
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
It is Thursday, October 30th, 2025, and Owen Schroyer here with my guest, good friend of the show, Zeb Boykin.
And if you want to get a reference of the video we're going to be discussing tonight, you can go to Zeb's YouTube channel.
We'll probably be screenshotting and sharing some of these videos.
So if you want to find it for yourself to comb through it, go to Zeb's YouTube channel.
It's just Zeb Boykin.
And Zeb's expertise on this shooting issue when it comes to ballistics and everything, vast military background.
But he actually goes out into the field and recreates what a 30-odd six would do as far as an entry and an exit wound is concerned, which, of course, is one of the big focal points for the people that are discussing the Charlie Kirk assassination with the one anomaly being, how could a 30-odd six put a wound in a man's neck like it did?
Now, the explanation they try to give us is that Charlie Kirk had a Superman neck, but that's kind of hard, if not impossible to believe.
So Zeb decided he'd go out, shoot the exact same gun, exact same rounds.
He used a pig for this example, which is probably the closest thing you could find to recreate a human body.
And so we're going to review his results.
And so, Zeb, I'm going to let you take this one off here.
Just kind of give us an intro, exactly what you did to recreate this and what you think you proved or disproved with the results.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm not a gun tour.
I don't go out and, I mean, I enjoy shooting.
I go shoot every once in a while and I just figure I could go film it this time.
I wanted to have fun.
You know, shooting's fun.
So that's what we do.
Yeah, I just wanted to run this thing and kind of get an idea.
Obviously, we shoot targets, we shoot cans, we shoot bottles, we shoot all kinds of stuff.
But, you know, we don't get too much opportunity to shoot actual flesh.
And so that's what we did.
I went out, I bought two, probably 120-pound pigs to get an idea of that tissue that we, that, you know, human tissue.
It's about as close as you can get with the pig.
Now, there's some very slight differences across the board.
Obviously, the pig is dead tissue, so you're not going to have the pressure from like the blood flow, blood pressure, and a couple of other variables.
And so this isn't a one-to-one.
Nothing's going to be a one-to-one, really, but it's as close as we can get.
And so what we have to do is we have to plug play and then adjust off of that.
And so that's essentially what I did.
I tried to take as many theories as I could within the timeframe and money that I had.
And this stuff isn't cheap.
One, two, yeah, I tried to run as many theories as I could.
And we went through, we went through a few of them.
I started off with the 380.
I guess we can run a little crash course on this video real quick.
I started off with a 380, which is a pistol.
Probably could have ran a 22, but I didn't think it was even worth it.
And I didn't feel like trying to track a pistol down, a 22 pistol.
Excuse me.
So we did a 380 from about 50 feet.
I figured that would give us a range from somebody being the crowd slash maybe a palm pistol.
But generally speaking, the pistol is going to be about the same, somewhere between five and 30 yards.
So the distance doesn't matter so much across the board with a lot of this stuff.
And so the 380, I shot it, hitting him about neck shot where Charlie was.
And then it didn't go through, which I was actually surprised with.
Now, the pistol doesn't run near as fast as a rifle, naturally.
It doesn't have as much gunpowder.
This is your 380 round.
I don't know if it'll adjust on that, but that's a 380 round.
And so we did that.
That didn't pierce through.
The skin didn't come out the back, but then we shot a 9 mil, which is slightly bigger, holds a little bit more powder in it.
And it went through.
But what was odd is the shirt caught the round after it pierced through the pig.
And so that went through, I don't know, probably four, four and a half inches of tissue.
I don't think it hit any bone.
If it would have, obviously it would have stopped because bullets stop all kinds of bones.
Or bullets are stopped by all kinds of bones, you know, the still ones and the regular ones.
But then we moved up the 45.
We're just running our way up.
The pistol rounds are all going to be moving slower than the rifle rounds.
They're probably, I don't know, floating somewhere around the speed of sound.
And I just want to do that to get the pistols out of the way, give an idea of where that's going to come from.
They were variably the same slightly.
And then we move on up to the actual rifle rounds.
And this was kind of what I was looking for.
And I'll come back to the 380 actually here in a bit.
But this is what I was looking for.
This is a 223 on the left.
And then the 300 blackout in the middle and a subsonic on the right that I was holding.
And 223 is just your baseline AR-15 round.
It's a standard round, military standard.
I mean, it's what your M4 shoot, your M16 shoot, all of it shoots that.
And the projectile is smaller than the other three.
Those are all the same projectiles, meaning that if they were found, if those projectiles on screen were found in the body, they would be indiscipherable, really, depending on maybe damage done to the round itself.
You could maybe get an idea of it, but they're all the same round.
You could switch those rounds out within the actual cartridges.
So we go to 223, shoot that.
What we got from that is basically what we assumed we would get is it's just clean through.
It's not large enough to do the damage that we need it to do.
At least on the front end.
Now, it did have some decent blowout on the back end because it was just flying too fast.
And then you don't have it on screen.
Ooh, let me see.
I can pull it up.
What are you looking for?
No, I don't think I didn't put this up.
Is this it?
Yeah.
All right.
Can you share screen with me real quick?
This isn't in the video.
Actually, let me throw it in here.
This will be easier.
One second.
All right.
Can y'all see this?
Am I not sharing Ecamm?
No, I'm just getting your camera.
Whatever it is.
There it is.
We got something now.
All right.
Let's try this.
Let's go over.
All right.
Now let's go.
All right.
And so this is.
Give me one second.
Sorry.
So I wanted to take that 300 shot.
Can you give me full screen real quick?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's cutting you off.
Let me get you here.
I don't know why it keeps resetting.
All right.
So let me double check.
You're full now.
Okay.
Let me know if you have any issue with seeing what's on my screen.
We've got your, yeah, we've got your video editor up right now.
So anything you put on the map.
Yep, sorry.
There you go.
All right.
So this wasn't on.
So obviously I didn't want to put this up there because, well, I'm sitting on top of the truck.
I wanted to get that angle.
The angle that I claim is where the shot from.
That's where my theory starts from.
And so if I'm running this, I'm going to speed it up.
But so I pulled the truck up.
You can see where the truck is right there.
I'm on top of the truck to get an angle.
I mean, obviously a little bit close.
So, I mean, we can adjust off of that.
But I wanted that angle.
I wanted that downward angle to go through about his ear and out of his neck.
And that's kind of what we get with both of those shots.
Right.
And so this is here.
This is the subsonic blackout, right?
We see on Charlie's neck, Charlie's neck.
The exit wound is about, or the wound, call it what you want to.
The wound is about, I don't know, anywhere between like a nickel and a quarter size.
And I think that's about what it would give us if that was his neck.
This is the supersonic that blackout.
And I just think anything going faster than the speed of sound is just going to give us too much of an exit wound, right?
I just, it's, that's just, that's just how it works.
It's too much energy to try and displace.
So that's where I'm at with the 300 blackout, supersonic, subsonic.
I shot both of those from an angle, from a high angle, down around the ear hole, out the out the shirt.
They came out right beside each other.
Let me clarify for the listening audience real quick.
So what you're saying is that was the closest recreation that you could find to the wound in Charlie's neck.
Correct.
And that was the 300 blackout supersonic.
Subsonic.
Supersonic was too much damage.
And so I did a couple more with some other tissue.
If you want to give me that for half a second.
This is the other one.
This is, I guess we're skipping ahead a little bit, but this is the 30 alt 6 entry wound.
It's all the same, man.
Every entry wound is the same just because the projectile is that.
It matches the projectile.
It's slightly smaller just because it's a little bit elastic.
And it doesn't have, you don't have that blowout on the entry.
This is a 300 or 30 alt 6.
All the 30 alt 6 I've shot, they looked exactly like this.
Just like this 300 blackout is going to look exactly like the 30 alt 6 because they're the same projectile.
These are the exit wounds from that 30 alt 6.
I have images.
I just don't have a pull-up right now.
So if we're looking at this and we have, this is a subsonic.
If we're looking at this and we have the exit wound and the skin's a little bit fresher, right?
If Charlie's still alive, then this is the 300 blackout subsonic that we're looking at, exit wound.
Correct.
Exit wound.
And so this is about a neck worth of soft tissue.
It's about six inches.
And these are right beside each other.
These are both 300 blackout subsonics.
And I did a couple more tests, but they're virtually the same.
Now, what did it look like with the 30-odd-six?
Um...
I'll probably have one of those pictures.
I'll pull that up here in a second.
I didn't want to show those because they were brutal.
This is one of the blowouts.
So this is one that hit the spine.
This is a 30-0-6 by itself.
Just so people understand, this is the exact same gun and supposedly the exact same round that was used to shoot Charlie.
One of them, yeah.
And so this is, so I shot him in the neck too.
This is a complete blowout.
It basically turned his bones into like grit, like sand at the beach.
I mean, it was maybe a little bit.
The spine did not stop the bullet.
No, the spine didn't.
Actually, I was surprised that this did stop the bullet.
Let me find it.
So there's a there's a crack right here.
This actually did stop the bullet.
I was actually surprised by that.
What is that like a metal street post?
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
It stopped it right there.
That was so after it after it went through the hog is when it hit the metal street post?
Correct.
Okay.
Just, you know, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just covering my basis, man.
You know, I mean, maybe he did have a maybe he did have some anime on bones.
I don't know, dude.
But yeah, that's essentially what we're looking at with that.
And then I can, and then we can run through, I guess, the rest of this, which is the three all three 30 all six.
I shot from, I zeroed at 100.
I zeroed it the day prior, and it was drizzling.
And when I, when I shot it, like it'd been a long time since I've shot something like something like that.
I mean, it's a big round.
A 30-0-6 is a big round, and I just wasn't ready for the recoil from it.
And dude, it's got a lot of punch to it.
And so I shot it from 100.
I mean, the extra 43 yards really doesn't matter.
I mean, you could probably take that 30-06 out to like 800 with not too much of an issue.
So, I mean, 43 yards at 100 and 143 is virtually irrelevant.
And then, so I probably shot 10 to 15 rounds out of that.
I don't know, maybe 20.
I can't even remember.
We were between me and my brothers, but it was all the same.
The outcome was all the same.
Let me pull this video up.
This is the one we sent directly through his neck, went through his neck, spine, and the base of his skull to kind of get all of our basis from that.
Pull that up.
I can throw it on screen.
Now, again, just to click, this is the blowout on the backside with the 30-odd 6 that we're looking at right here.
Yes, sir.
So you can see him in there full screen real quick.
This is, or we can go to the side by side.
It's a little bit, it's a little bit hard to tell because it's so zoomed in, but essentially that's the pig's neck from that's the bottom side of his pig's head.
So it went through neck meat, it went through skull, and it went through the base of his vertebrae or the top part of his spine.
So, I mean, it went through everything that it said it was supposed to go through and still left that kind of exit from it.
So, all things equal, you know, which you're trying your best to make it, like you said, there's never going to be a one-to-one perfect ratio.
But all things equal, that is the exit wound from a 30-odd six at the same range.
And that's at least somewhat what we would expect to see on the backside of Charlie where the exit wound happened, which they've confirmed there was no exit wound.
And they said that's where the Superman bones came into play or whatever, you know, whatever narrative that they are going to end up concluding.
They kind of just honestly, they're kind of they kind of gave two narratives and then nothing was official.
And then they just cut in the cuts, stopped talking about it.
And we can pick up that later.
But again, I just want this is more for emphasis of the actual ballistics that you tested because I know some other people did it.
I don't know if you've talked to them.
I obviously, I know you.
I saw one guy do it.
I haven't.
I haven't reached out to them, but he had, he slabbed together like three stack of ribs and a piece of wood, and then another still played and went through all of them.
So, I mean, the 30-alt 6 narrative is like, I don't even know where to start with that, to be honest with you.
But, I mean, this is a side shot that so this would be like one of the cameras from the side of Charlie.
This is what we ought to have seen to some extent.
I'll go frame by frame, right?
So if we have first movement here, which is expansion, and then we just have absolute blowout.
Like that, like Charlie should have, it's just dust.
Like it's not even like they didn't even try.
It explodes out the back.
Yeah.
And then this is another one.
I think this one actually hit the steel.
Yeah.
So that's the one that hit the steel.
So you didn't have the blowout from the back as much.
But yeah, I mean, that should be what you have seen is this, something to this effect.
Also, I want to note something on this shot too.
Right.
So if this, I mean, it's just, I mean, what do you say to that?
Like, this is what a 3006 does.
No, nobody that shoots 30 out 6 disputes any of this.
Well, and I'll tell you what, you know, because let me just stop you right there real quick too.
Because I want people to be focusing on the right things.
And, you know, obviously the whole shirt kind of became a focus point, you know, a talking point through all of this too, was kind of like, oh, well, what does the shirt do?
And I kind of think that, you know, that there's a lot more open for interpretation as far as the shirt is concerned.
To me, there's not much open for interpretation as far as the exit wound is concerned, right?
And so you asked the question.
You said, you know, I don't know what you say to that.
Well, I'll tell you what you say to that.
He had Superman bones.
He had bones made of titanium.
I mean, that's what you say to that, Zeb.
That's what they said.
It's the only excuse you can make, dude.
I mean, that's it.
I mean, he's straight up Wolverine.
I mean, I was telling Joe Webben the other day.
I was like, dude, they're out here making a DC Marvel crossover.
You got Wolverine down there taking questions and you got the flash up on the roof.
I mean, Tyler Robinson moving like he's pausing time.
It's insane.
I mean, whatever narrative they crafted, whatever cover-up they had is it's not incompetence.
It's just, I don't know what it is.
It's intentional retortation.
Let's get into that.
We can get into that in a second.
Like I said, I really want the focus point of this video to be your holistics tests and the results.
And so I do kind of want to have a little sense of redundancy here for people to just see this over and over.
And let's just say this one more time, but maybe before we advance, folks, you can watch this for yourself.
Okay.
And so look, there's been, let's say, there's been evolutions in what we're doing as far as watching it and then doing our own investigation, our own analysis.
But again, the official story that he was shot with a 30-odd six from about 200 yards, folks, this is what it looks like.
Okay.
There would have been a massive exit wound.
It would have blown out his back.
The footage from behind that multiple people have seen now, including Candace Owens, it is totally confirmed.
There is no exit wound.
It just doesn't exist.
And so once that story came out, I mean, folks, this is what you're looking at.
This is what would be in the back.
Aside from the other angle that you showed us a moment ago, where it actually blows it up right here, folks, that's what you would see.
You would see that.
And so obviously we didn't.
So they come out and they say, okay, he's got Superman bones because somehow you have to explain the impossibility.
Now, quite frankly, in my opinion, I think that they kind of have been disproven on that because, you know, not everybody's involved in whatever's going on here, right?
Not everybody's involved in this narrative control cover-up.
And so when Frank Turek came out, and I think he's being honest, because he was right there and he says, you know, they told me that basically a bullet stopped his heart immediately, like whatever happened, but they also got him resuscitated somehow.
So, if a bullet hit his heart, then they're not going to be able to get the heart going again.
That's it.
That's over.
But then, somehow they told us that they got the heart pumping again.
So, obviously, those two things don't add up.
But I think Frank was just out there telling it as he saw it.
I think Frank, who was just there, was just like, Hey, here's what I saw.
Here's what I heard.
I was right there.
You know, he didn't, nobody's in his ear telling him what to say.
There's he doesn't have any agenda.
He was just there.
He had to go through it all of himself.
And I think he was just telling it how it went for him.
So you get back to the investigation now.
Do you find it odd?
As I'm just going to keep replaying this for people to see, because there's no doubt when you watch the video, what happens, what an exit wound looks like from a 30-odd six.
And so the only way that they could explain that is, I guess, by saying that, you know, Charlie had a Superman neck.
Okay.
Do you find it odd that there has been no attempt really since kind of the first wave of this in the investigation from law enforcement?
Do you find it odd that they've kind of just gone completely silent?
Completely silent, yes.
Not releasing evidence, not necessarily.
I mean, I understand the position of not trying to taint the jury pool and everything that comes along with that.
But, you know, when we have things like we had, what, yesterday or day before, where Joe Kent is stopped by Cash Mattel from looking into foreign interference in Charlie Kirk's investigation, it's like, okay, are we shooting ourselves in the foot here?
I find things like that more odd than not releasing some of the evidence.
Would I like to see it?
Yeah, I would love to, but I completely understand the FBI's position.
The problem is they're all incompetent or evil.
And so we have to talk one of those up.
If you want to give me full screen, I'll show you one more thing that I found.
Let me run through this.
Let me run through this video in slow motion.
I've got it pulled up here.
This angle in slow motion.
This would be the exit wound, folks.
That would be the exit wound from a 30-odd 6 hitting somebody in the neck, what you just saw.
And you can obviously see it.
I mean, it blows it up.
And that's exactly what all the people said, you know, military experts, you know, shooting experts.
In this shot, you can see the wire pop up and send the wave of energy.
It didn't actually get hit, but it was close enough to send the energy like we see on the wire from it's not an earpiece, but it is a wire.
It's not his chain, which we have extremely high quality of that now.
Yeah.
But I think, again, I think that I'm looking at this and I'm saying, okay, there's things that we can still say, maybe there's room for interpretation.
You know, the wire, the chain, whatever that was, the shirts and the movement.
Okay, maybe there's going to be debates, whatever.
To me, the debate of 30-odd six through the neck from the front to the back, to me, it's just like, it's really impossible, right?
I mean, you're either asking me to believe in a, in a DC Marvel movie or or or, you know, or tell me my own lies are eyeing, my eyes are lying.
So to me, that's, that's the most important part here.
It's like we already knew it, but it's like, let's see it.
This is what a 30-odd six exit wound looks like.
And it simply didn't exist on Charlie Kirk.
So to me, I think the official narrative is already completely disproven by other elements of this story.
But that right there alone is, I mean, that's it.
Like that, that is the one thing that it's like, you can't tell me that this is how it went down when all other evidence points to that being impossible.
And now you just brought up the big thing because here's where I stood.
Because when this first happened, you know, I came out pretty hot.
I was hitting the ground running on this coverage and I was really hitting it multiple times every day, hitting it, looking at the new angles and everything.
And then quite frankly, it got so toxic that after, yeah, that after The event that they had in Phoenix, where Erica Kirk, I think, made her first public speaking event.
After that, I kind of just said that I'm going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to back off and I'm going to go silent and I'm going to wait until the next shoe drops.
I'm like, all right, we've kind of got the first thing.
I don't really know if there's anything else for me to really say on this.
I'm just looking at the straight up incident, the actual shooting incident.
I don't, I'm not, let's not get into a conspiracy theory.
Let's just look at the incident and say what's true or what's possible and what's not.
And then it's like, once that whole thing was like, okay, the conclusion I've reached is the official narrative is not possible.
I said, I'm going to wait and let's see the next shoe to drop because I'm sitting here like, there's no way at that point in time, you know, now I guess a couple of weeks have passed.
At that point in time, I'm saying there's no way they're going silent on us.
Like there's just no way.
There's no way that the, because they weren't even press conferences.
I mean, you could call them press conferences, but they weren't.
They were really just presentations.
A press conference is when you take questions from the press.
They didn't take questions from the press and then they just went totally silent.
So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to wait.
Something, there's something is going to have to come out.
And when that happens, I will delve back into it.
And so you just brought the new thing that came out.
And it's strange because no official statement from the FBI, no official statement from the local law enforcement, really no official statement as far as the actual event and what happened to Charlie that day is concerned.
Still nothing.
They're not even trying.
I mean, really, they're not even trying to convince you of anything other than the official story that's been completely debunked.
Now, there could be a reason for that.
That's why I was waiting.
I'm saying, let's wait and see.
But then we hear what you just brought up: that Cash Patel is basically trying to stop the counterterrorism division, specifically Joe Kent, from looking into foreign involvement.
And I just reached this conclusion, which I think is fair.
If Joe Kent was looking into Chinese involvement, I don't think they'd be stopping him.
If Joe Kent was looking into Iranian involvement, I don't think they'd be stopping him.
I think people see where I'm going.
So I see that happen and I'm just like, well, what the hell is going on?
They tell us they're not going to leave any stone unturned.
There's already this weird tension with Tulsi Gabbard.
Now here's Joe Kent, who's a military veteran himself, extremely trusted individual, doing his job, getting called off by Cash Patel, the FBI.
And it's like, here we go again.
If you don't want us to be conspiracy theorists, if you don't want us to do an independent investigation with these obvious holes in the official narrative, then come out and answer some questions.
Instead, they come out and they say, we're actually going to stop Joe Kent from doing his investigation.
Correct.
Yeah, well, like you said, they haven't said anything except for maybe outside of the or inside of the first week of Charlie Kirk.
What they did was they shot themselves in the foot.
They came out.
They announced that it was a 30-odd six, right?
They said that they found a Mauser.
They said that they found a round that was actually shot.
That was just a case and no projectile in it.
So they shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know if it was with that Mauser or not, but they shot themselves in the foot.
Whereas they had to have someone like Andrew Colvitt come out and say, okay, it was stopped in his spine.
Now, I kind of want to circle back to that in a second, but that's exactly correct.
They've been absolutely quiet.
Why?
Because if they say anything, they just keep digging deeper.
There's no way for them out of this situation that they've put themselves in.
They came out way too early and said it was a 30-odd six to the front and stopped in the spine.
It's just, it's delusional to even think otherwise.
That being said, you know, we listen to people like, you know, Candace Owens has her show and we've talked about some other alternative theories.
I don't think the shot that I have is enough to do what we see.
And I think there is another shot.
I just can't, I can't prove it yet.
And I think it is with a pistol or something.
Let me just pause you and I'll allow you to put your final conclusion out because I said I wanted to cap this at 30 minutes.
When I'm watching this again, after we've watched this a couple times, as I'm watching this again, there's another thing that starts to stick out at me.
After watching, unfortunately, having to watch all the different angles and everything of what happened to Charlie and now watching this, it's very clear that even if you wanted to try to make something up as far as why there isn't an exit wound, just looking at this side by side, clearly he was not hit by a 30-odd six.
I mean, you can tell just the force, the speed, the impact of this shot is multiples, multiples stronger than whatever happened to Charlie.
I mean, to me, just the impact, the speed, like everything from this 30-odd six that you shot here, it's just a totally different look beyond just the exit wound.
I think I think the whole thing is a different look.
The impact, the speed, the velocity, the whole thing is just a different look, besides the obvious point of the exit wound.
So to me, again, it just looks like there's just zero chance, just zero chance that this was a 30-odd six.
So now I'll allow you, because I know that you kind of maybe are reaching some different conclusions at this point, allow you to go ahead and voice those.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I don't think the shot that I believe happened can satisfy everything, all the inconsistencies that we see.
And so what we have to do is try to isolate those anticonsistencies that we do see that aren't answered from a shot from Charlie's top right, high right.
And so I think, you know, someone like Candace said there was a shot from the front or something to that effect.
And that's kind of where I was trying to get that pistol shot from.
I don't think she wants to claim.
I don't think she claimed it was from the roof or anything like that.
You know, a lot of people were floating palm pistols.
I don't think that's the answer, but I do think it is possible somebody could have shot from the crowd.
And I've got some audio guys trying to look into that.
I got a couple of things specifically that I'm looking at along with a couple of other people, but I can't really push that right now.
So that's the idea.
I mean, if you want to find it, I think that's where we need to look is in the crowd somewhere, probably with a suppressor, something smaller, 380, 22, something like that, a pistol that can get off pretty quick and fairly accurately.
And so that can break vertebrae and still be stuck in the body.
I think they did find something in the body.
I don't think it was a 30-odd six round.
I think it was probably a 380 if we're going to run with that or something very, very close to it.
A pistol round that just doesn't have the punching power to get through like a rifle round would.
Almost every rifle round is just going to go through that kind of tissue.
And so, you know, I don't want to say that the autopsy is fake.
I would rather believe them.
And so I think there's something there.
I think Andrew Colvett isn't entirely lying.
He's obviously a little slimy.
But besides that, I think we have to look somewhere else for the rest of the answer to the question.
Well, and I just think, too, it's like, and I don't know Andrew that well.
I think we talked a couple of times when Charlie was trying to get me on his show.
But, you know, again, it's just like he only knows what he knows.
I mean, he only knows what he's told.
So, you know, if the autopsy or whatever, and they tell him, hey, this is what happened, you know, I don't know what else I expect him to do.
You know, that's, that's a very tough circumstance for him to be in.
I mean, I'm a lot closer to this situation than I'd like to be.
I can't even imagine what's going through his head with all of this and then having to go on air nearly every day knowing the chatter that's going on.
So, I'm more like, hey, who knows what these guys are thinking versus what they're saying?
Who knows what they're being told?
And it's just like, you know, what else are you going to believe?
But again, I just see this.
It's like, if I come up to Zeb Boykin and I punch you in the face, you know, maybe I can, maybe I can hurt you a little bit.
Maybe I can leave a bruise or something.
If Mike Tyson comes up and punches you in the face, like he's, you know, he might break a bone.
You know, he might knock your jaw loose.
And it's like, you can see the difference between just some guy like me deciding to wind up and swing at you versus Mike Tyson, maybe the strongest puncher of all time.
It's like, you're going to notice the difference.
To me, that's what I watch.
Like, this isn't Owen Schroyer coming up and swinging.
This is Mike Tyson knockout punch that a 30-odd six would do.
And that's not what we saw.
That's not what it is.
It's entirely built for big game.
That's what it is.
That's what it does.
It takes down elk, large deer, every, you know, boar, whatever.
It's something large.
If you got to take something large down, you're probably taking out something close to a 30-odd six, if not 30-alt six itself.
So that's exactly what it's for.
And, you know, six inches of soft tissue and maybe a vertebrae isn't going to stop that.
So, you know, the intent of this video is never to get any into any theories or anything like that.
The reason why I felt it was necessary to bring you on and show this video is because it needs to be seen by more people.
It doesn't have enough views on YouTube, and you guys can go find it on YouTube.
I was sharing some of the screen here, but it's on Rumble also.
But yeah, YouTube's kind of suppressed a lot of our stuff related to that.
I guess because of the guns directly, and then also the pig looks bad.
I get it, dude.
I expected a lot more pushback on the pig, but I had to do what I got to do.
I don't think the ballistics gel is good enough for that answer.
Well, from all the different videos and researchers and independent investigators that I've seen, I think that that's the most conclusive.
At least your video was the most conclusive to me that, hey, this is what's going to happen if a 30-odd six hits a man.
This is what's going to happen.
This is what it's going to look like.
And then you can compare and contrast that to what we saw with Charlie and reach your own conclusions.
Beyond that, I didn't really intend to get in it today, you with you, Zeb.
Maybe we can a different day, but I really just wanted to put more eyes on this video.
And if there's any other people out there still looking into this or wanting to ask questions or get answers, I think it's a good source as far as the results of a 30-odd six.
And so that's why I wanted to just put more eyes on this video today.
No, I appreciate it.
Owen, thank you for having me on, too.
All right, Zeb.
Hey, good to catch up.
Follow him on X as well.
What's your X account?
Zeb Boykin.
Yes.
Zeb Boykin, there he is.
Great American Patriot.
Great work.
I'm glad that you did that experiment so people can see it.
You took the time.
You invested it yourself.
And we really appreciate that, Zeb.
Thank you for your time tonight.
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