Owen Shroyer Live - Owen Shroyer Interviews - Former WWE Star Enzo Amore

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Oct. 15, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live

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Owen Shroyer Interviews - Former WWE Star Enzo Amore

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	My name is Enzo of Lore.
	And I am a sort of five G and a Bona Fod stunt.
	And you can't change that.
	And this one here.
	This is Big Chess.
	And he's seven foot tall.
	And you can't teach black!
	But a boom!
	Realist does in a room.
	How are you doing?
	One more to describe you.
	And I'm gonna spell A-A for ya!
	S-A-W-A-T-I-E-S-O-L!
	Well, you may or may not remember those days from the WWE.
	It's hard to believe that that was 10 years ago.
	It might uh it probably feels different to you uh since you lived it.
	You were in the ring.
	One of the one of the greatest hype man's in in recent WWE history, former WWE superstar, Enzo Omare.
	You just saw him in the room there with his former partner Big Cass.
	So I think you guys may have had a reunion recently.
	Uh we can get all we can get all caught up on that.
	So so here's the story.
	Here's a little background for the audience joining us right now.
	Um in my opinion, you know, Enzo, when you guys were doing this stuff, it was kind of like the last great uh original age of the WWE.
	You know, they kind of brought back the rock and these new guys to try to try to bring back some of that nostalgia.
	But ever since they went PC and tried to get on network cable, things things went south, and personalities like you were kind of disappearing from the stage that were a little bit edgy.
	But the story is you were you were one of the up and comers in WWE.
	I ran into you at an airport.
	It was probably like 5 a.m.
	This was 2016, 5 a.m.
	Austin Airport, and you're sitting across this uh breakfast bar, and you ordered a yogurt parfait.
	I'm sorry to do this, it's just true.
	You ordered it, you ordered a you ordered a yogurt parfait, and I and I knew who you were, and um, and I go, I go, yogurt parfait, and you kind of look up and I go, that's that's that's awfully that's awfully soft.
	And you didn't really, we were both like, you know, bloodshot eyes, like barely even awake.
	And you kind of looked at me like, is this is this guy talking shit at the airport at 5 a.m.?
	And I was like, and I was like, no, you know, S-A-W-F-T soft.
	And then you were like, oh, oh, it's a it's the WWE gag.
	And we just had a bit of a gag over that, but you were very nice, you were very personal.
	We're sitting there at 5 a.m. in the morning, barely even awake, uh, of having a laugh about that.
	But anyway, so you I saw that you followed me.
	I reached out, I said, Hey, I want to get you on the show and uh introduce you to my audience, learn a little bit more about you.
	People that follow WWE back there will definitely remember um when that was one of the funnest, that was one of the funnest things on the ticket was when you would go into the ring and do the hype man thing and get the crowd all fired up.
	Um I see you've got your belt on now though.
	What what belt do you have?
	What what belt are you currently in?
	Fly as champion room.
	Look at this fucking thing, huh?
	Who's buying me right now?
	Nobody.
	I like that.
	Um, so basically, uh I I got back into swinging things here with pro wrestling, but what you alluded to was uh a time in in pro wrestling where you know, to be honest with you, man, I got into the business, and when I got into the business, I I never wrestled before the WWE.
	I just I played college football, uh Triple H, who's the you know, the the guy who runs the show to this day now uh with Vince stepping down, his son-in-law Stephanie McMahon's husband, and more notably a 15-time world champion.
	He knows the business.
	Uh uh and and the business is in good hands, if you ask me.
	But to that point, I never wrestled before.
	I get into the business, and I felt like I was what it was lacking.
	So when I got into it, um I thought the show was fucking boring.
	I thought the wrestlers were boring me to death, and I loved pro wrestling when I was a kid growing up.
	And uh I I, you know, me and Big Cass.
	That's who you saw in that.
	I mean, it's funny.
	People pull that video up anytime.
	Uh, and uh, and that's probably a good thing, you know what I'm saying?
	But um, I haven't seen it in a while, man.
	Uh, but that that big guy right there, I owe him a lot.
	I couldn't have done it without him.
	We were a tag team, Enzo and Cass.
	And uh, you know, he was seven feet tall, which made it really easy for me to talk shit uh, you know, with this guy standing behind me, dude.
	Yeah, you know, you can only pull that off in the WWE with a seven-footer when you're wearing leopard when you're wearing leopard onesies.
	Yeah, dude.
	Leopard onesies with the fucking chicken dance and the crazy hair and shit.
	Not much has changed, honestly.
	Uh, you know, for anybody who says that's a dying act, I'm a nostalgia act now, dog.
	Come see me, bro.
	So uh I actually do a show called Fourth Rope.
	That's the new company I work for.
	We're owned by West Side Gun.
	He's a famous rapper in a group called Griselda with Conway and Benny the Butcher, signed to MM, and he was a huge wrestling fan that went to many shows, would be in the front row, and he decided to start his own promotion.
	There are a couple of black guys.
	They're the first big black promotion uh that I'm aware of that is coming from outside the business, meaning they were never wrestlers, they never wrestled before.
	You know, Booker T is a famous black wrestler who has a great promotion, but these guys, man, they got it out the mud.
	And I tell people all the time, the only person that could cancel you is your boss, and my boss used to sell crack.
	So I I I'm fucking good, dude.
	Uh and used to, for clarification.
	Used to.
	Yeah, my boss, he's a rapper now.
	Uh, you know, he got it out the mud, but uh didn't know Hunter Biden by any chance.
	Were they ever business partners?
	I want to know if he ever even dude, I'm gonna have to ask when I see him on October.
	Yeah, you might know all the other people in the industry.
	I don't know how that one works.
	They might have met sometime.
	Yeah, buddy, that's fucking funny shit, dude.
	Um yeah, bro.
	So, you know, I wrestled for fourth rope.
	I'm the flyweight champion.
	You just saw the title.
	I go by real one now.
	You can follow me on social media.
	Uh I make rap music.
	I got into that uh after I was so unceremoniously fired for a fucking tweet back in 2000 uh eighteen.
	So for people that don't know the story, I was gonna bring that up.
	I was gonna leave it up to you.
	Because I saw some of the rumors, um, and I know how stuff I I know some of the stuff behind the scenes, not like the people that have actually been there.
	Some of it gets out.
	And now that now that a bunch of these former wrestlers have podcasts, you get a little bit more of the behind the scenes stuff.
	It gives a little bit more transparency.
	Um and it seems like your story might not be a totally unique one.
	Um, and yet it it seems to happen all the time, no matter how much talent and how much upside you have to your character and your performances, it's like one thing goes wrong and they just they just totally cut you out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, that's how it went down back in the day.
	But uh, you know, dude, it's a different time now than it was back then.
	And I was at the height of that shit, dude.
	I mean, you you you're talking about a tweet.
	I never got a phone call from police.
	I never got a fucking, you know, nothing, dude.
	I just uh, you know, at the time, you know, I can understand why I had to go at that time, because what are you gonna do when you go out there and the fans are chanting and shit, and you know, I was a heel.
	I was a bad guy, and I had the title.
	I was the cruiserweight champion.
	We were in the main event with the cruiserweight title.
	Um, and dude, it was crazy.
	And my family had to go through a whole lot of bullshit.
	Uh, and you know, I got like I said, unceremoniously shit canned.
	But uh, bro, honestly, the biggest blessing at the time a curse, because it's a blessing and a curse when you go through something and you persevere through it and you and you say, I'm not apologizing either.
	So that was the thing.
	I uh look it.
	I got a fucking cues of something online that never never took any any any any of my time in a courtroom, no phone calls with fucking cops, no nothing.
	It was just a tweet.
	Some bitch said some crazy shit, and she ended up in rehab, and I probably wouldn't wouldn't doubt if she fucking was dead.
	So I mean, she was a drug addict, fucking loser, and then we put our credibility in that person when at the time, you know, you get to know me, you see me on TV every week.
	You know I work with children.
	I'm in and out of uh children's hospitals.
	We do make a wish, we do a lot of great things, and honestly, at that time in the WWE, bro, they don't let it at that PG era, they don't let shit slip through the cracks.
	You don't get to the top of an industry unless you belong there, really, you know.
	Um, so yeah, it sucked for me and my family, but at the end of the day, bro, I I I persevered through it.
	I launched myself into music with a song called Phoenix that addressed this shit.
	It was the only time I really ever addressed it.
	I was like, here, I'm not apologizing.
	I made a song where I'm like a fucking uh, You know, basically airing out the bullshit and taking shots at the people who would have the nerve to believe the bullshit.
	So it launched me into music.
	I got millions of streams from the song, and to this day, I made a song called Grace that touched a lot of people's lives.
	If you're a Catholic, uh, you know, it would really speak to you.
	Uh, anybody who believes in you know, Jesus.
	So, you know, I I was raised in a church and by a good family, and and luckily my family helped me through that process when I, you know, the only place I haven't wanted to go and wrestle was the WWE.
	So once you get there, and then all of a sudden that shit gets taken away from you.
	You're like, what do I do now?
	Like, what's next?
	And for a long time there, there was nowhere for me to go.
	WWE had a monopoly on the industry.
	So where the fuck am I gonna go wrestle, right?
	So there was nowhere to go.
	So luckily I I I got into music and um it provided me some opportunities, but now the WWE has a trickle-down effect because the business is booming.
	WrestleMania is still the biggest dance in the business, but now you see other promotions coming into the fray, right?
	You get an uh when I got fired, there was nowhere to go.
	Now there's an AEW.
	TNA blows up.
	So there's places to go.
	Tony Kahn, uh, you know, son of uh the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars has a company now with Ted Turner that's on TNT called AEW, and that's where my partner You said that Shadcon's son.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they love, they love they're big into the sports world.
	Yeah, so exactly, man.
	He got his own promotion going.
	That's where Big Cass is, now known as Big Bill.
	Um, and you know, he he also faced adversity uh and tackled it head on.
	That motherfucker.
	But you you talk about Andre the Giant shit.
	That guy tried to kill himself with alcohol, right?
	And um, I've never seen anybody drink as much alcohol in my life.
	He weighed 400 pounds, he got out of shape.
	He was trying to die by the bottle, and uh ultimately he got married, he got his shit together, and now he is the pinnacle of perseverance in that world.
	He shows people that you can overcome that bullshit and and get back to what it is that you love and and have an opportunity to do it at the highest level.
	So he's doing that, and then I got lucky with this company called Fourth Rope, man, where like I said, my boss used to, you know, be a drug dealer.
	He's a rapper.
	He he he he got now to a point in his life where he makes millions of dollars and he does good things for his community, you know, and and gives back.
	And we just did West Side Gun Day.
	He has a mayorial holiday in Buffalo where he gives out backpacks to children and school books and all this stuff, and we did a great thing that day.
	We did a couple 4,000 people in Buffalo.
	Um that show airs.
	So you can find us on YouTube, Fourth Rope Wrestling.
	That's where I'm at.
	The Hardy Boys are the tag team champions, um, which they're actually presently the NXT WWE Tag Team Champions and the TNA tag team champions.
	So they're just crushing life, man.
	They're generational love.
	That's actually interesting.
	Are they so are some of these other are some of these other groups then are they allowing you to basically have like a two-way type of a contract?
	Basically, you know, the Vince McMahon monopoly is over.
	And he the contracts are not the same, and opportunities are different.
	The WWE still hones and owns the WWE guys, but the Hardy Boys have so much respect.
	They've done so much work for the industry that the WWE works with a company called TNA.
	They are working with TNA.
	That's who they're contracted to, the Hardy Boys.
	But they're doing cross-promotion with NXT, the developmental of WWE that's on um CW 11.
	Well, that sounds like that that sounds like the Hardy Boys right now are breaking a bunch of these walls for guys that are trying to make a name for themselves, guys that are trying to get in a ring anywhere they can, that and there's been all these different barriers.
	Sounds like the Hardy boys are carrying a lot of the weight for some guys that are trying to get recognition right now.
	Fuck yeah, they are.
	And you know what?
	Uh, you know, Jeff's another guy who who fought through adversity in his career, persevered.
	His brother Matt has children and a wife, and they're legends in this business.
	So they get respect and different strokes for different folks, you know, different people are gonna get treated differently.
	Uh, you know, I've yet to uh make a return to television, Uh, but I did represent fourth rope with my title on their biggest pay-per-view for TNA called Slamiversary.
	So I showed up in a WWE Galaxy, so to say.
	Uh Smack Talker Skywalker from a Galaxy Far Far Away showed back up and got much love.
	Uh that's a Moray, man.
	I I couldn't I couldn't tell you how gracious I was when I came out and I said my name is and I held the microphone out, and everybody said Anto Amore, because I don't fucking own that name, bro.
	So uh it was it was funny, it was cool, and uh it was a blessing.
	We went out there, we won our match, uh we represented fourth rope, the company I work for, and now fourth rope, we are taking over Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, New Jersey, shutting down the theme park from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m.
	Cating it with Westside Gun Music, Haunted Houses, Fright Fest, and having a wrestling show from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. in the Batman um action arena, right?
	So in Gotham City, a costume contest for Halloween costume contest.
	We got a bus driving fans, two buses from New York City, taking people down.
	We're doing a huge show.
	It seats 4,000 people.
	We've already sold a thousand tickets, and there's gonna be a big walk-up and people that want to go.
	Hardy boys are doing a meet and greet.
	I'm doing a meet and greet.
	Zillafot too, our heavyweight champion's doing a meet and greet.
	And for the first time outside of the WWE, Braun Strowman, former WWE champion, is going to make his appearance for the first time outside of the WWE.
	He'll be doing a meet and greet.
	That's a major announcement made right here on Owen Schroyer.
	Wow, we're getting an exclusive, a Braun Strowman exclusive.
	Yeah, buddy.
	So uh I'm real excited to have my buddy in town, have him at the wrestling show.
	He belongs in the business, he belongs around it.
	And you know, he was also uh, you know, released by the WWE not that long ago, but you know, he made millions in this business and did well for himself, so I know that he's doing well, and he has a television show called Everything on the Menu that he's actually doing as Braun Strowman that comes out October 24th on USA Network.
	So it's kind of fucking weird where he's in this world where he's a WWE character on USA Network with a show called Everything on the Menu, where he literally walks into a restaurant and he orders everything on the menu and eats it all.
	And I've seen the guy do this shit.
	It's unbelievable.
	I mean, these these superhumans that I fucking work with, dude, you know, 400-pound men that can lift a fucking, you know, a shit brick house.
	And he literally sits down in a restaurant, orders everything on the menu and eats it.
	So that comes out October 24th, and to parlay that with his first ever WWE non-WWE appearance at our show.
	We're excited to have him.
	At Fourth Rope, I work as a producer.
	So I'm blessed to be able to write a television show.
	Uh, take the knowledge I gained in the WWE.
	I went to Harvard for fucking pro wrestling, bro.
	I I learned from football?
	Did you play football at Harvard?
	No, fuck no.
	I went to Harvard for WWE.
	I went to the performance center, their minor leagues.
	I got an education in the pro wrestling business.
	That's the equivalent to Harvard.
	When you get brought into the WWE having never wrestled before.
	Okay, I see what you're saying.
	I I thought you meant they sent you to Harvard.
	You're saying I'm a certified G Bona fine stud.
	You can't teach that, buddy.
	I don't I fucking did not.
	I went to college.
	I got a degree in writing, but I've never read a book in my fucking life.
	So you keep reading the books, I'll come back.
	Here you are.
	Your life is a story.
	And you bring up you bring up Braun Strowman.
	You know, he was one of these guys that came up big and it's, you know, he's he's one of these guys that has the the things you can't teach, right?
	Seven foot, four hundred and fifty pound giant.
	You can't teach that like you're saying used to be.
	You can't teach that.
	So it's like, okay, well, what can we, what can we get him to do in the ring?
	What can we get him to do promotionally?
	Some guys are able to make it, some guys kind of struggle.
	You know, Ryback was another guy.
	But Strowman's Strowman's exit, his exit for the WWE was a little louder.
	He he wanted to make some noise.
	You know, it was almost like he kind of wanted to, you know, ruffle some feathers there on the way out.
	And so I it is gonna be interesting to see now that he's re-emerging with you guys, uh what what he decides to do moving forward with his wrestling career.
	Because he just I mean, really, he kind of just disappeared in any ring.
	You didn't see him in any ring.
	He's a fucking freak athlete, and I hope to get to see him in A ring one day, hopefully one of our rings, a fourth rope ring.
	He's there scheduled to do a meet and greet, but I just need him around the boys because he has a wealth of knowledge also.
	You know, we got some young guys that are coming up that he could be, you know, helping out.
	And you know, wrestling is a business where you only get better as you get older.
	And you see the best, get bet John Cena, right?
	It didn't hit his stride to become the best until his mid to late 30s.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And now he's like 50 years old, he's having his last run, he's going out on top.
	It's it's it's a business where when you're in the ring and you first start, they they just tell you slow down, slow down, slow down.
	And you don't realize what that even fucking means until you get out there with a veteran who can go like uh I was out there in the ring with all these guys in NXT.
	We were producing our matches, memorizing these spots and doing all this shit.
	And the first time I get into a ring with uh the Dudley boys, you know, I'm s I I walk up to Bubble Ray Dudley, and I'm like, uh, before our match, I'm like, uh, what do you want to do?
	And he's like, I'll see you out there.
	It's like, uh, what?
	You know, like, okay.
	We get out to the ring, I'm in the ring, and Bumble goes and grabs a sign, and me and Cass are white hot, and there's kids wearing my wig and they're wearing our t-shirt.
	He rolls out of the ring, ding-ding-ding, and I'm standing in the ring, like, what the fuck is going on?
	Like, what's he doing?
	He walks to the floor, he grabs a sign that a kid had said Enzo, and he rips it.
	I'm like, oh shit.
	Then he grabs another sign and he's that says Enzo.
	And he's standing there holding it, but he's by the ring, and his partner, Dvon, looks at me and goes, grab the sign and give it back to the kid, you fucking idiot.
	I'm like, oh I fucking grab the sign and I give it to the kid in the front row that he took it from the second time, and the place goes apeshit buck wild.
	We haven't touched each other for five fucking minutes.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's how the true pros can do it.
	And it and it's such an interesting story for people that don't understand a little bit of the context when when you were probably I mean, you could argue the most popular promoter in the WWE at that time because you had a lot of the big guys that were still having the big draws, right?
	They were still at the top of the ticket.
	You still had Mark Henry, Seamus, you know, John Cena, Ryback.
	Like you still had the big guys that people wanted to go see beat each other up, but nobody got the crowd hype like Enzo.
	I mean, no.
	Nobody took nobody took an ass kicking like Enzo.
	Nobody.
	No fucking body.
	Well, you gotta be able to.
	If you want to be successful, you have to be able to take a meeting just as good as you give one.
	Yeah, man, especially if you're fucking talking like I was talking, you know what I mean?
	Because, you know, I'm not the rock.
	I'm not built like him.
	He can get away with talking shit and then taking everything in the ring.
	But bro, if I'm I'm fucking talking that shit in the ring, I gotta give it back when I get in the ring.
	So I gotta make the guy, you know, I gotta take the receipt, right?
	And I had the easiest story of all time to tell to a point where to your point, like blood shot eyes in the airport.
	Me and Big Cass ripped America a new asshole.
	We fucking hit every city for the first time, went and hit every bar, met all the women, got all the free drinks, and we were the most popular act in the company that you alluded to.
	We were the number one merchandise sellers as rookies, right?
	And nobody can tell you how to handle that.
	People don't understand what fame is until you're on TV every week, and then you walk outside and you're not ready for it.
	You're a kid, and and you're coming up in this business, and you're famous overnight.
	Because me and Cass, we went viral before viral was the thing on our debut.
	And um that changed our lives, and we had more fucking fun than anyone.
	So fuck whatever you heard.
	Like you only live once, and you're only famous for the first time once.
	And nobody had more fun than Enzo and Cass to our detriment later in life, but we ended up uh getting our shit together, the both of us.
	But nonetheless, we were having a blast, and it's an easy story to tell.
	We're a tag team.
	He's the big dog, and I'm the little dog that barks.
	You've seen the cartoon, that's what we were, right?
	I get my ass kicked, and the only thing I gotta do is tag that guy in.
	And when I do, he comes in and clears house.
	And the game goes wild.
	And we had the easiest job.
	We opened every single WWE show, which also provides you the opportunity, like I Said to go rip the bar a new asshole every night because you know I could have done that job standing on my fucking head, you know.
	It's not like being in the main event where I would watch Roman Reigns and AJ Styles at the time going through fucking tables, going 25 minutes wrestling.
	It was like Enzo and Cass came out with the mic.
	We wrestled for 10 to 15 minutes.
	Whoever we were in the ring with was usually a veteran who was fucking great at their job, led us through it, and we just got backstage and started getting drunk, dude, and having a blast.
	And and meeting more, you know what I'm saying?
	It was a good fucking time.
	And I'll never apologize for it.
	You know, you only live once, you only learn.
	Uh, and I am in my life, I had to play with fire to get burned.
	Well, and it like you said, uh, and I'm curious what ended up getting you in the ring because you weren't a wrestler before.
	So did they look at you as an athlete that they could put in the ring and and teach some technical stuff, some high flying stuff?
	Did they see that you had promotional skills?
	Which is really I mean, would that be the toughest thing in WWE?
	You think, hey, the toughest thing is lifting the guy over the head, the toughest guy is jumping off the rope doing a trap, whatever.
	The toughest thing that I ever had to do, and the highest compliment that I could ever get paid was my mentor was Dusty Rhodes.
	As for everybody in NXT, he was the godfather of NXT.
	Uh, you know, at a time with Triple H started the promotion and was off on the road and was still wrestling some and booking and producing, doing all that shit.
	Dusty Rhodes was with us every day in Tampa, and then we went to Orlando, we created the WWE Performance Center.
	So the highest compliment that you could get was, you know, I would cut a promo back then, and uh, you know, we'd have promo class every week, which was like acting class.
	You go up there, you got 30 seconds, 90 seconds, go cut a promo on your opponent, and we're all sitting there, we're all doing it.
	And um, you know, Dusty Rhodes would look at me when I were done cutting a promo, and and oftentimes, and I don't know how many other people he said it to, because I'm not gonna pretend that I was the only one, but I don't know that anybody else.
	But he used to go, that was some John Wayne shit.
	So I'd get fucking done talking shit, and Dusty Rhodes would be like, that was some John Wayne shit.
	Sit down.
	And I would just that was it.
	I got no I got no critique, no feedback.
	What should I change?
	What should I do?
	There was always times where it was shut the fuck up.
	You you said too much.
	But um, the John Wayne shit was the highest compliment I could get paid.
	And to that point, I owed Dusty Rhodes my career because he was the one who put a microphone in my hand and threw me out there on TV to get killed.
	And on the same night that that happened, John Cena was in the house in NXT, and he was there the night I debuted.
	And it just so happened that when he was there, it was to draw the house.
	We're brand new promotion, NXT.
	John Cena's gonna be out there.
	We don't tell you he's not coming out until the fucking fourth show's done filming.
	You know, we keep everybody in the crowd thinking that John Cena's coming out, but we save him for the main event, right?
	The dark segment, as we would call it, after it goes off air.
	And John Cena came up to me the night I debuted, Dusty Rhodes sent me out there with a microphone.
	I said bada boom, realist guy in a room, and John Cena apparently was backstage, he repeated it, and then he came up to me when I came backstage, and he's like, Hey man, um, I've been watching this show for three hours.
	You're the only thing that's caught my attention.
	Would you like to come to the ring with me and cut a promo when the show's over?
	And I said to him at that moment, that guy's my tag team partner.
	Can I can he come with me?
	That was a lie.
	Big Cass was not my tag team partner, right?
	Next thing you know, we're in Gorilla, where you go out through the curtain and Triple H and our coach at the time, Bill DeMonter, like, what the fuck you guys doing here?
	And John Cena's like, I asked them to come out with me.
	Next thing you know, I'm in the ring with John Cena at NXT in a small audience in Orlando that comes to every NXT show.
	And me and Cass were out there, and I said, you know, this guy's seven feet tall, and you can't teach that.
	And I said, uh, you know, this guy's, you know, how many dimples are there on a golf ball?
	You know, there's 168 dipples on a golf ball.
	You know when the diplos are on my hind end, zero.
	You want to know why?
	I'm hard body.
	You know what you are?
	Your SAWT, soft.
	And John Cena was like, what the fuck did you just say?
	And I was like, he's soft.
	And John Cena went, he sucked.
	Next thing you know, John Cena gives you that blessing.
	He Repeats that catchphrase soft, lightning in a bottle.
	My whole life changed that night, thanks to John Fucking Cena.
	He gave me and Cass what we call in the business the rub, where you know, you're standing next to him, you look good.
	So uh the next time we go out there, uh Ryback who was feuding with John Cena was the next dark segment, and about 10 minutes before that show, the whole crowd's chanting soft.
	And we're backstage and we're not booked on the show, even though we just did a thing with John Cena like two weeks ago.
	Now the whole crowd is chanting soft.
	They expecting to see us.
	They come tap us on the shoulder, like, get in your shit and get out there.
	Ryback's gimmick at the time was feed me more.
	So we just rattled shit off on the buffet line at Golden Corral.
	I was like, hey ladies, you like meathead, you got a real cheap date in the ring.
	All you gotta do is take them to Golden Corral.
	Hey, Cass, what are we having?
	And Cass just said everything on the fucking menu from Golden Corral.
	And in between, I went, How you doing?
	How you doing?
	Hey, don't.
	Hey, don't.
	And as I'm saying it, the crowd starts coming with us.
	How you doing?
	How you doing?
	Now, in two times we've never been on TV yet.
	I've been killed on one episode.
	They've never seen Big Cast before until he came out there with Cena.
	And now we're out there with Ryback.
	So we did Soft and How You Doin'.
	And those two catchphrases caught fire in the NXT crowd.
	So if you don't understand, we shoot a TV program at NXT.
	That crowd has the ability to get something off to the world, right?
	To the masses.
	And they're at the time showing our show NXT in the UK on TV.
	When we showed up to with NXT to the first time to the UK, we were fucking stars, and we had no idea.
	And uh we sold out the the O2 arena.
	We were selling out everywhere we went in Europe, and every word that came out of my mouth, I'd say my name is hold the microphone up.
	They said every fucking word of our catchphrases, and we owed it to that crowd in Orlando because they're the ones who are repeating our catchphrases every time we come out to a point now where you think we're fucking stars.
	Unbeknownst to you, we're making like $750 a week, and I'm fucking, you know, wearing, you know, fucking fake Jordans and shit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like crazy how the shit just took off.
	But um, credit to everybody who was involved there.
	Uh we were a part of a very special time.
	Timing is everything in my career, and it and and my timing is on again right now.
	It's my time, and it's that fourth rope.
	And the new company I work for, we're not corporate.
	And we got love.
	We got AEW talent, we have TNA talent and the NXT Tag Team Champions on our show.
	So it's very unique.
	It's very different.
	And we opened the show with rap, first 10 minutes as a new artist spotlight.
	And then the last show that we did, we had Bun B and Jadakiss, Styles P the Lock.
	So we had, you know, Killer Mike in the front row at our show in Atlanta.
	We're getting the celebrities out, and it's not that fucking plaque mouth pro wrestling fan who's talking shit on the internet.
	It's like the average person who likes hip hop and watches WWE and flip it through the channels that know who the Hardy boys are that maybe know who Enzo and Cass were that come to see us.
	So we're spoon feeding audiences entertainment, and we give them that high, you know, velocity pro wrestling in a mix on the card.
	But fourth rope is more WWE than it is AEW, you know.
	Um more than it is that new Japan flavor, that TNA flavor, where it lacks storytelling, if you ask me.
	You know, this business was built on storytelling.
	Well, it's very true.
	Yeah, it's very in-ring driven as opposed to, you know, we're driving you to the we're driving you to the show because of what goes on in the ring, but yeah, you're getting a performance, you're getting live music, you're getting a whole uh a whole thing beyond just what happens in the ring.
	And so it sounds like that's what you guys are trying to to build right now.
	Everything is on God's time.
	And and you know, that's you talked about earlier everything you went through to get.
	I could never have wrote this story, bro.
	God's doing it.
	Like I the pendulum swings, and imagine I get fired and there's nowhere to go wrestling.
	I'm like, what am I gonna do?
	This is the only thing I ever wanted to do was be in the WWE, and then AEW comes around, right?
	And I don't get a fucking phone call.
	And I don't want to go there, quite frankly, because it's a different flavor of ice cream that I don't fucking enjoy.
	I fucking hate mint chocolate chip, dude.
	That fucking shit out of here.
	Okay?
	And I'm not vanilla either, bro.
	But I want I want my shit different, right?
	I need sprinkles and fucking shit all over it.
	So when we did WWE, it was a circus.
	And you get it when you see the giant.
	And I had a job in this business because when I'm walking through the airport, yeah, you recognize me.
	I get recognized and I became recognized, but I have a job because of the big show.
	When a little kid's in the fucking airport and he looks in and he's like, Daddy, who is that?
	It's like that's a pro wrestler.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like I this business was built on the back of Giants, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, and that's the anomaly you go to see.
	But there's always a spot now in this business for the guy that looks like you, maybe size-wise, that maybe you don't expect to make it.
	And when I was a kid, I fell in love with wrestling because of Shawn Michaels.
	And Michael, Shawn Michaels was kind of the introduction.
	And I forget, he came up and it was a big, it was a big rivalry he had with um man, who was it?
	It was kind of the first thing the hitman Hart, dog.
	Yeah, Brett Hart.
	That's right.
	In the 90s, it was him and Brett Hart that had that long outstanding rivalry.
	And it was, you know, Brett was a bigger guy.
	Michael's obviously a big guy and an athlete too, but it was like the first time where the WWE felt like, hey, we can market these athletic guys as the main events now.
	We don't have to have a six foot seven massive 300-pound man.
	If we have Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart selling out arenas, mainlining events, and they're out there strong technicians.
	Brett Hart known as one of the best technicians, Shawn Michaels, one of the best athletes.
	It was like it opened up an entire an entire new world for a guy to come in here like yourself.
	You say, Hey, I was a football player.
	I'm a great athlete.
	I can get in there and fly around, and they say, Okay.
	And of course, but I am curious.
	So you weren't into wrestling.
	Did they bring you in because you're an athlete, or did they know that you had promotional capabilities?
	Because I mean, that was the I mean, you did that as good as anybody.
	Yeah, so I went viral on YouTube with this video uh where fucking the Giants were going to the Super Bowl, right?
	And I used to play against Victor Cruz in high school, and I had highlights of me tackling him and running for fucking 70 yard touchdowns.
	And I'm like, a week out of the Super Bowl, I'm like, if this guy can play for the fucking Giants, I can play for the fucking Giants.
	And this video of me and like my mom's basement talking shit goes viral on Barstool Sports, right?
	And at the time, the guy who was training me after post-college, I I'm I'm I'm managing hooters, bro, in New Jersey, right?
	And I'm fucking like it.
	Don't even ask me how I got that job, bro.
	Fucking incredible life I've lived.
	Wait a day.
	Let's talk about Hooters, right?
	Yeah, man.
	So I was managing Hooters and I'm working out at this gym, and I make this video that goes viral, and then I have this video of me talking shit about the Jersey Shore people.
	Like, after that video goes viral, I put another video up on YouTube of me working out and then like lifting weights.
	And at the time I could do a 56-inch box jump, which I could dunk a basketball, but that was like my that was like my trick in the gym.
	Like, watch me jump uh, you know, 56 inches onto a box.
	And that was enough for them to say, okay, this guy's an athlete and he can talk shit.
	And the guy who was training me at the time, Joe DeFranco started training Triple H showed him the video and he and he gave me a tryout.
	When I had my tryout, I cut my promo.
	Dusty Rhodes was there.
	He heard my promo and Dusty Rhodes pulled me in a room and he said, You could be good, you could be bad, or you could be different, and you're fucking different.
	So that was the that bro.
	I never stopped dancing with the girl that bought me to the dance, bro.
	I was just different, right?
	Started wearing the sneakers, the leopard print, dying shit in my hair.
	You know, I had to do anything I could to stand out because I never wrestled before.
	And I was never gonna get the respect of the wrestlers and the ring, so I had to let them beat the shit out of me.
	And it was a part of the coming of age of a pro wrestler.
	It's like it's it's paying your dues.
	So I never won.
	I always lost.
	I got my ass kicked.
	I didn't get paid a lot of money, but fuck that.
	I have fun, you know.
	Well, what was it?
	Know your role, but you didn't shut your mouth.
	You knew your role, you knew your role, but you but you you always had a big mouth.
	But it was it was actually kind of the perfect dynamic, I think, for that time, like I was saying, because they were always headlining events with the big guys, right?
	The big guys, the 300 pounders, the six foot fivers.
	But you, they'd they'd start the show with you, the the guy who could come out there, get the crowd fired up, get everybody on their feet, have everybody screaming, and then you know, the big guy tosses you around like a ragdoll, and it's kind of funny, you know.
	You get hanged.
	Yeah, bro.
	Yo, I'm your head, And then you come back the next week, and it's the same high energy.
	It's the same hype, it's the same height.
	Bro, it's funny you should say that, right?
	As in this business, we have psychology to what it is that we do.
	And if you're a baby face, a good guy, and you're a heel, the bad guy, the baby face is the better wrestler, the babyface while smart the heel, and the heel has to use bad guy tactics, you know, get the referee to in between you and you know, low blow a guy, or you know, uh get into the ropes and then go cheat to take the hold or pull the tights to win.
	We've all seen that bullshit.
	If you've watched wrestling, well, I was a baby face that could get away with fucking anything, right?
	So I would in the ring, imagine you're a baby face and you want to protect yourself, your image, and the fact that you're the guy, right?
	So you would never just let a heel standing across from you as Enzo would do.
	I'd do a dance, right?
	I have this dance that I do that's funny.
	Bro, I would do my dance, and I'd I'd have a wig on my head that I took because they made a wig of my hair, and I would go out into the crowd, get the the wig of my hair from a child, put it on my head, get into the ring, and I would do my dance straight up to a bad guy,
	and he would super kick me in the face, and I would throw my hair in the air and fall down, and the whole crowd, you know, that's like baby faces should never let you just hit them and outsmart them, but I could get away with that.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And make you laugh, and then it didn't matter.
	It just didn't matter.
	So I got really lucky to the to the notion that, bro, like it doesn't fucking matter what I do in here.
	The the people are gonna laugh.
	So I had that little comedy uh, you know, bit there, and then it got to a point where I became a heel.
	I was a bad guy.
	They turned me heel uh in a segment with the Miz where I was told by Vince McMahon or Triple H actually that I if I rebuttal on the microphone, I'm gonna get fired.
	So they knew no matter who's out there with me, I could save face.
	I can grab the microphone, and no matter what you say about me, I can make it so that these people cheer for me by the time I'm done talking.
	And uh they were like, they didn't tell me right then and there that they're turning you heel, but they did everything to to make me a bad guy.
	They had a guy in the Miz go out there, air out all this bullshit, and then um his wife who was pregnant at the time.
	I said, uh, you shouldn't be asking, you shouldn't be saying how you doing uh to his wife.
	You should be asking who's the daddy, you know what I mean?
	The myth beautiful.
	And that's a quote from Vince McMahon that I needed to say out there, and that'll turn you into a bad guy, you know what I'm saying?
	And so the slow rip into it, uh, but to that to that point, right, to this day, a very unique gray area in which I exist in, right?
	I'm at Westside Gun Day, we're doing heels have eyes.
	That's the name of our show.
	It's fourth rope.
	You can look it up on YouTube.
	I'm out there, right, on a microphone, and I have all of Buffalo who I'm shitting on.
	I'm like, you know, talking about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift and me and him have something in common.
	We're both married to the money, and we both have rings, unlike you people in Buffalo, Barry and Josh Allen.
	I'm calling him Jim Kelly.
	Um I'm getting booze and booze and booze in Buffalo, and to a point where they're chanting, shut the fuck up, right?
	Shut the fuck up.
	Shut the fuck up so loud.
	And then I button my promo, and there's only one word to describe you, and I'm gonna spell it out for you.
	S A and every single person who was just chanting, shut the fuck up, says every word of my catchphrase.
	S A W F P soft.
	Ask one of the biggest accomplishments in my fucking pro wrestling career.
	If I could go out there as a baby face and make you say, My name is Enzo Moore, I'm a certified G Bona fud, you can't teach that, bada boom, realist guy in the room.
	Now I flip heel, but at the end of it, you still say SAWFT soft.
	I mean, every person that was just chanting, shut the fuck up.
	I don't know anybody else in the business who can do that, or I've seen do it.
	Well, I don't even know nowadays.
	I wonder if you'd even be allowed to do it.
	And I think, you know, the lack of personality was probably as it's called the PG era and they wanted to be on uh you know they wanted to be on the network and they figured it would be the best for the having the biggest audience and I think they were trying to sell a bunch of merchandise to kids what whatever whatever was going on behind the scenes but it's like I I feel like they were lacking that personality and Roman Reigns who was the champion for whatever many years he really didn't have a personality there wasn't much of a personality there.
	The guys that were wrestling I mean Cody Rhodes is great but it's just like there's not you know so I felt like they had to bring the rock back.
	They had to have the rock start you know being the final boss bad guy they had to have Cena come back because there were no personalities.
	There was no I mean even a guy like Fandango who was a nothing I mean he was literally a nothing he was a fan favorite because it was a funny personality.
	It was like the same thing with you.
	It was like hey I know I'm probably going to see you get tossed around the ring and exit with your head down and then you're gonna be on the show the next day and you're gonna get the crowd just as hyped and they don't really have those personalities anymore.
	Do you ever think that they would try to inject that back into the WWE?
	Well, I think now because they're on Netflix, they can do more than they were doing on, on cable network, you know, because now raw is the raw or brand out of SmackDown and NXT and raw raw.
	You can get away with more.
	And on NX, I mean, on Netflix, they can curse and they can do things and they can be edgier and they can bring in Travis Scott to, you know, and play his music and, shit like that.
	So I think they can get edgier.
	If you really look at the landscape of pro wrestling I would be suffice to say that I'm not the last threat left on these streets.
	Meaning if you brought me back and you put a microphone in my hand and put me out there with Paul Heyman or Roman Reigns or Cody Rhodes, you are guaranteeing eyes on your show to a point where it would fucking probably be one of the biggest things that they've done in years.
	And I know it.
	I'm not rushing it.
	I'm not saying it'll ever happen again.
	And if they called me tomorrow, you know, there would be a conversation.
	But I'm not calling them tomorrow either to ask for a job back because at Fourth Rope right now, I'm having incredible experiences where I can write the show, be a part of it backstage, and I get to wrestle.
	You know, I wrestled and I won this title in Vegas on a show called Heels Have Eyes that's available on YouTube.
	this beautiful title I had to beat half the TNA roster in a battle royal with 20 men and I entered number one and I won the whole thing.
	I mean I don't see myself walking into WWE entering the Royal Rumble number one and winning the whole fucking thing right like what world does that happen in um you know I'm I'm it's a Sinatra song right now it's it's life and and it's my way right now so it's the combination of a few things where I'm blessed to do what I'm doing and I'm not so eager to jump ship to an AEW or a TNA you know and I've had conversations with companies in the past where it's like where do I fit in?
	What are you gonna do with me?
	Like how do you see it happening?
	If you're not gonna give me the respect I deserve or put the microphone in my hand every night like I'm not coming in to just be a fucking doormat and and make somebody else a star.
	I put in enough equity in my career to where I earned and and I deserve the respect.
	So if you don't believe that the guy who writes the jokes has a rational mind you know if you can get people that lit like John Cena did with the microphone like The Rock did with the microphone Dusty Rhodes did with the microphone Rick Flair did with a microphone I'm in that fucking same conversation in that same vein with a microphone.
	When people mention my name they they say I'm one of the best promos right so if you're not going to let me say how you doing and you're gonna tell me to say how are you I'm gonna be like you know like what the fuck dude that's like telling Hulk not to rip his shirt off.
	It's like what are you talking about?
	That's so I'm not so I've never been presented with opportunities in other companies that I've wanted to sink my teeth into uh until I found my opportunity with fourth rope and there's very few jobs in my business and Shawn Michaels has one of them at NXT.
	Triple H has one of them at Monday Night Raw on Smackdown.
	Tony uh Tony Khan Has Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks at AEW that that are vice presidents that help write TV and booking.
	And they're wrestlers.
	And then you have Tommy Dreamer at TNA who writes television there.
	The only other big company right now that's we're an underground company that is the new kids on the block and we're fucking hot right now and we're only going up.
	And we make uh, you know, a a different noise.
	This isn't the same shit that you're used to seeing.
	And we want we're we're not saying that we're PG and we're not saying that we're rated R. We're we're we're just a pro wrestling show that has rappers on it and rappers curse.
	So I mean, it doesn't mean I have to go out there and curse.
	I know how to I don't I always say in in wrestling when you call somebody a bitch or you say fuck, that's what we call a cheap pop.
	It's built in.
	They're gonna be like, oh my God.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You break out a table and somebody goes through a table, it's a cheap pop.
	The hardest thing to do is make them interested in just a pure wrestling match.
	And how do you do that?
	You do it with a microphone and talking shit.
	And I could do that with the best of them, and I did not need to curse because to you that you alluded to, I was in a PG era, and I couldn't comprehend when I got hired that we're not allowed to curse.
	I was like, bro, I I watched the attitude era, I watched middle fingers in the air, hell yeah, beer, all that shit.
	I grew up on that shit.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	I can't curse.
	And you want to give me a microphone?
	I'm like, I'm handicapped.
	Then I realized holy shit.
	I'm better than all these motherfuckers have ever been on a microphone because I didn't have to curse.
	I did it without cursing.
	I reinvented the fucking wheel.
	I called people soft.
	I didn't call them a bitch.
	When I wanted to say, I'll whoop your ass, I'd say I'll whoop you took, I'll beat you hind end.
	You know, I made it sound to a point where my producers and people would be like, and so don't curse.
	And so don't I'm like, bro, I've never cursed once, but okay.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I I never have.
	And I was a role model of the children, which was one of those things where when they're flipping me healed, I had already kind of done that in the media because at that time, you know, I I was I was shrouded in controversies, just from being uh an enigmatic star and that happening so fast, you know, when you go like this, they're gonna tear you down.
	You can't go all the way, you know.
	It happens.
	It's the nature of the business.
	And uh the same people who lift you up try to tear you down, and the people who have plaque in their mouths who live in their mother's basement, who fucking write wrestling dirt sheet bullshit that think they know what's going on backstage or whatever, the parallels of real life.
	That's what makes wrestling so interesting, you know, is it is real to life.
	So it's it's a dirty business, it's a crazy game.
	And uh, you know what?
	I was always one of those people that like I I I came in, and when I came in, the undertaker was the head of the locker room.
	He's not a dead man in real life, right?
	But there was that nostalgia that we we kept to like we don't reveal who the undertaker is, Mark Callaway.
	We don't give that away.
	We keep it real, and and and we don't want you to think that this is you know what I'm saying, right?
	Well, yeah, especially now because you know uh there was none of that.
	What's happening now?
	Well, it's a lot more transparent, it's a lot more transparent because it part of it is because it's bigger than ever.
	The other part of it is because you have guys like Mark that go on and do a podcast or Stone Cold with a big podcast.
	Uh Glenn is the mayor, in he's a mayor in Tennessee.
	By the way, one of the best dudes of all time.
	Right?
	Oh, bro, he's unbelievable.
	You know what's so you know what's so amazing.
	Before I got into politics, I was in the sports world.
	Um, and I met a bunch of professional athletes.
	And what's funny is you do meet most of these guys are down to earth.
	Most of these guys are good guys.
	Um, but the couple of times I've had run-ins with uh WWE guys, uh, one time there was a bunch of them working out at a YMCA that uh I actually happened to work out.
	You guys had a show in St. Louis some years ago, and I happened to be in there when uh Vince McMahon and a couple other guys came in there and worked out.
	And like they didn't ask for anything.
	They didn't ask, like, hey, can you close the gym or hey, can you make you know keep people out of our way?
	They didn't ask for anything.
	They just went in there and lifted weights like everyone else.
	They didn't want any special treatment, nothing.
	People would come over to take pictures.
	They didn't complain once.
	And it was just like I was you know, I was really impressed by that.
	I was like, because I get it.
	It's like, hey, I'm working, right?
	I'm in the gym, I'm working here.
	I gotta, I gotta get my pump here.
	I'm working.
	And they were just always uh really down.
	Same with you, like I said, I mean, I I make a joke at you, and you're like, What did this fucking guy just talk shit at 5 a.m. at an airport?
	Like I saw you when you lived, you're like, how the fuck is this happening to me right now?
	But we you we were both just so tired, and then I made the joke, and uh we we both had a laugh.
	It is amazing, though.
	These guys, they put on these personalities, and you take off the mask, they're just some of the nicest guys.
	They're just some of the nicest guys.
	And you know the the people on the internet will make you uh one of my favorite quotes, right?
	Um Jake the Snake Roberts said the people will put you in places that you've never been.
	Like, and that means situations.
	That means you know what I'm saying?
	Like, just imagining that they they will always come up with something, and or say this, that, and the third.
	And for me, bro, I'm so lucky and blessed that I came up in the Vince McMahon era of WWE because now it's a corporate entity, it's TKO, and I don't know that the people aren't so big for the bridges anymore.
	But there was that humble pie that we were constantly served.
	We got our own rental cars, we got found our own hotels, we drove with each other to save money.
	We fucking rubbed elbows with each other, and you know there was life was all consuming, and you were on the road, and those days are done.
	And I'm probably the last guy to do a 300 uh day schedule in the WWE because COVID hits in 2020, and when I was cruiserweight champion, we were the only people that did Monday Night Raw and SmackDown.
	That was the cruiserweight division.
	So I was wrestling on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
	Everybody flies home for Raw, and I would go on to SmackDown.
	So if you wrestled on SmackDown, you did Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then SmackDown on Tuesday.
	So when I'm working that raw SmackDown schedule, and you're the cruiserweight champion, and then you fast forward to 2020 and COVID happens, and then the live events stop happening as much as they do, and or they stop completely, and then the schedule changes, and now Netflix puts a billion dollars in your hands and says, We don't want any of these guys getting hurt on non-televised TV uh uh live events.
	It's like the business is changed, you know, and there's a lot of money being being you know put into the broadcasting on different streaming services.
	So those people, they want to get their their stars out there and they don't want them getting hurt, right?
	Bro, I I when I was there working for Vince, that guy was a fucking lunatic, and I was literally competing with him in my own brain to get less sleep and do more work.
	I was like, I don't want to sleep, I want to work.
	I don't I want to party every night until three.
	I want to wake up at seven and and fucking with a new girl and then go to the next town.
	And I was living that Ric Flair life, dude, and it was crazy burning the candle on both ends, probably gonna kill myself without even realizing it.
	And um, I feel like God had a plan for me, bro.
	Like humble you, take you out of the equation, um, make you look in the mirror, and then also make you love wrestling again, you know, because I'm at a point where probably I was hating it, you know.
	Like you know, you you're in there, and then when when God takes something away that you love, you know, you know how that works.
	You know, you don't you never know what you have until it's gone.
	So um I hated wrestling when I got fired.
	I was so mad at the world that that built me up to tear me down, and then I fucking found myself in this position that I'm in now where I'm working on the indies, right?
	Uh in little bingo holes and fucking gyms and high school gym and humbling myself to the thing that I love, pro wrestling.
	And I'd be lying if I said like when I needed money that I was willing to wrestle.
	It was I hit a lick as the consultant on the deal for fight TV and triller that had Roy Jones versus Mike Tyson and Jake Paul's first fight.
	So when I when I consulted on that deal, I hit a lick and I didn't need money.
	And I was like, you know what?
	COVID?
	Wait, what?
	I can't wrestle?
	Who?
	I said, fuck that.
	I went to Texas where they were having wrestling matches.
	And I said, I'm going to Texas and I'm wrestling again.
	And no, and I and it was like payfave as we call it.
	Don't say anything.
	But in the in in Jersey, you you people had masks on.
	You couldn't go outside.
	And then you go to Texas and they're having fucking wrestling matches.
	Are you guys coming to Texas anytime soon?
	Are you coming to Austin?
	Um, we just did South by Southwest, and we're doing it again next year.
	So whenever that is, I will keep you informed.
	But we're going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, you gotta you gotta get me out there if you guys come back down here for South.
	That night we had uh that night I went to the mothership and met up with an old friend Tony Hinchcliffe.
	Um, you know Tony?
	What another great guy.
	What a great guy he is.
	Tony Tony was a huge wrestling fan who's at the comedy store every Wednesday when I was in the WWE.
	I was living in the Hollywood Hills with my best friends from high school, like fucking Entourage.
	I'm telling you, we were we were fucking lunatics.
	And I would go to Wednesday night every Wednesday to go see um Rogan, Dave Chappelle, and Tony Hinchcliffe.
	And they were on Wednesdays at the comedy store every Wednesday, uh rehearsing their material that they would do, and I'd be in the green room smoking weed with Tony and Dave Chappelle, and got to know Dave by name, and it was just so fucking surreal because Dave uh somebody tipped me off that he'd be popping up at the stand in New York City, right?
	And I hadn't seen Dave since 2018.
	And I show up with my girl.
	The first time I ever took my girl, my girlfriend to this day on a date, I take her to the stand, and Dave Chappelle's there, and he sees me, and he's like, Hey, what's up, Enzo?
	And I just my girl.
	Yeah, you see that's gonna be a good night.
	Oh, it was a great night.
	I went to see his show.
	They were uh they were here about a month or so ago with uh Kaylee Guerrero, the uh daughter of Eddie Guerrero.
	Uh I don't know if you're familiar with her.
	She's a great she's a great person.
	And we went to Tony's show, and we went to the uh to the VIP afterwards and were talking, and he came over and was like talking to her, and they talked wrestling for like 20 minutes.
	Yeah, Dave is the man, Tony's the man, they all had love for wrestling when I was around, except for Joe Rogan, always buried it, and he used to pop jokes, bro.
	And I I took it on the chin every time, bro.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like he he uh, you know, he's a UFC guy, he's an MMA guy, so I don't think he ever really got it.
	But he also probably had never been front row at a Monday Night Raw, saw the spectacle and went, holy shit, this is pretty cool.
	Um so yeah, I mean, I think he's had the barrier broken down by Tony Hinchcliffe more and more over the years, over the years as they're good friends.
	But Tony wanted to put a wrestling show on at the comedy store, and the first ever wrestling I did outside of WWE was at the world famous comedy store.
	I helped promote the show with Tony Hinchcliffe and a buddy Chris Burns, uh, who is a producer at the comedy store.
	We put a wrestling ring in the comedy store in the main room, and I had the first ever pro wrestling match.
	It's funny, Tony thought I would be in the main event because I helped book the show, and I'm like, dude, no, I'm in the fucking opener.
	I want to say I had the first match, and the second it's done, I want to start smoking weed and drinking with you, motherfucker.
	And you're gonna get it's like you gotta you it has to be you to hype the crowd out of the gates.
	It's like that's what I had to do.
	Good job, bro.
	And October 30th, that's Six Flags Great Adventure.
	I have a surprise opponent, a former WWE legend.
	Um, and it will be an amazing show.
	It's the night before fucking Halloween in Jersey.
	Isn't it a true professional right here?
	I mean, you've lost you've lost nothing in the process.
	You're better than ever because I told you we'd go an hour, we're right up against the hour.
	You're pimping, you're pimping the big event coming up in October later this month on Halloween.
	Yeah, man.
	And check out hey, speaking of Tony Hinchcliffe, a guy who's made famous on his show, Kill Tony, Uncle Laser.
	You know, Uncle Laser?
	I don't know.
	If I saw it, maybe.
	He's he would remind you of a redneck Enzo.
	Maybe you've seen him.
	He's got the mullet and he fucking wears uh Canadian tuxedos.
	He's a funny motherfucker.
	This guy and I shot a music video together in Nashville, like a few months back, and that music video just came out.
	The song's called Fell Off the Wagon.
	Uh Waggon Out by Real One, R-E-A-L number one.
	Um Waggon just dropped this past Friday.
	I have another song called Mud Dogs that comes out this Friday, has me in the Bobby Boucher outfit.
	And and the point of this one was right, like I'm a rapper, right?
	But I said my favorite scene in a fucking movie, maybe error, is when Bobby Boucher shows up at halftime and the mud dogs won the bourbon bowl, right?
	You know, when they're like going over the scenes and in Waterboy when he's like, you know, remember when Bob Boucher did this and he and then Bobby Boucher walks in the room.
	He's like, remember when Bob Boucher showed up headtime to Muddog won a bird bowl?
	I was like, bro, if I could squeeze that fucking line in a song, I'll uh I'll be a legend.
	And I did it.
	And I have a song called Mud Dogs that comes out on Friday, drops on all streaming services.
	And hey, look at I am an independent artist, dude.
	And your fans, they speak to the to the voiceless.
	Your fans know what it's like when the freedom of speech gets censored.
	I've lost my voice in this world.
	I've been canceled in this world.
	And in wrestling, we we at Fourth Robe say we do this for the culture.
	And I always say I do it for cancel culture, bro.
	The second you tell me I can't talk to a motherfucker, I'm going, let's have a sit down, dude.
	It's impossible.
	It's like it's like asking us not to breathe.
	For guys like us telling us not to do something, it's like, no, well, you've just guaranteed I'm gonna do it.
	Even if I don't want to, I I almost I can't even help myself.
	It's amazing to hear you talk.
	I mean, just the the one brief time we just a couple minutes we had together at 5 a.m. at an airport, we kind of had a laugh.
	But now hearing more of your story, getting to know you.
	There's we have so many parallels.
	We have so much in common.
	And uh some someday we'll link up again and uh clink glasses, and I don't know.
	I I'd let you throw me through a table.
	I think I can allow that.
	I would love to do it.
	I would have I would have the honor and the privilege of doing it.
	Uh I'll tell you I would in a hard time.
	That would be my next viral moment, right?
	Buddy, hey.
	Somebody light the table on fire.
	Or maybe we can bring back a.
	I went through a flaming table thrown through it by Bully Ray in the ECW arena.
	It's called 2300 Arena.
	I worked the program with the Dudley Boys around the world where they wouldn't put people through tables or gimmick because they were heels now.
	Is no tables, no tables, right?
	And I'm probably the only person to do European tours around the globe with the Dudley boys and not go through a table.
	So when I got out of the WWE, I made it a fucking point.
	Put me through a fucking table, a flaming one in Philadelphia at the 2300 arena, and then he dragged me out into the street, kicked me out of the arena, and that was the last time I wrestled there, man.
	The only thing left to bring back is the buried alive match.
	We need to put someone in the dirt.
	And Undertaker put his hand with the glove out through the dirt.
	But you know, everything PC.
	One of the best.
	Hey, maybe you just gave me an idea for the show on uh on October 30th at Six Flags, buddy.
	We have some surprises on that one.
	It's gonna be a lot of fun.
	But uh I'd be I'd be reminisced to say, man, I I re look up fourth rope wrestling on YouTube people.
	It's a brand new show.
	Yeah, let everybody know here as as I'm signing this off.
	How to follow you, wrestling fans out there looking for some new stuff, where they can find it.
	REAL number one, not the word one, R E A L one, all streaming platforms, Spotify, fucking uh, unlike Nick Fuentes, uh you can find me on Spotify.
	You can find me on fucking all the platforms, buddy.
	Um, I haven't been canceled in that regard, but I don't think I should, uh, and I don't think I will.
	I try to stay away from the politics, and I appreciate you bringing me on here to talk about this shit, you know.
	And uh to that point, though, before I go, real one, Spotify, YouTube, real one, and then fourth rope wrestling on YouTube.
	I will be reaching out to you when Project Bluebeam kicks off, which I I I expect to happen within the next few months.
	Yeah, we we both got our timers on that.
	We're synchronized.
	You know, whenever that thing pulls up over the Vatican, dude, and the fucking aliens come flying out.
	Um you're my first fucking phone call.
	I got your number now.
	You got it.
	Book it.
	Yeah, man, definitely.
	And uh when I'm out in uh Austin, Nashville, when I'm out in the Midwest, we definitely need to go fucking bend our elbows.
	Uh, you know, put one down, dude.
	Hell yeah.
	Well, this has been fun.
	We'll be in touch.
	And uh there are a lot of people in the chat are excited to see you.
	They they remember the glory days, but the glory days are still ahead.
	The glory days are still ahead.
	No, hey, bro, I am in I am living the glory days, bro.
	I am Bruce Springsteen, my life's a fucking movie.
	I'm a Jersey boy, and uh, you know, ow to the boss.
	I have an album called Real One, Born in NJ, and the album artwork is my ass in a pair of jeans with the fucking, you know, with the American flag behind it, just like Bruce, bro.
	I'm a big fan.
	And uh I I really appreciate you having me on here today talking wrestling, uh, you know, and and not stepping outside Those confines, but I I will say, dude, I'm a big fan.
	I appreciate you, the work you do, and the fact that you're not scared.
	That is the most important fucking thing in the world, man.
	We have our voice, bro.
	Freedom of speech.
	I'm the biggest advocate for it.
	I know what it's like to be canceled, to have your voice taken away, and not deserve it.
	And we should all be able to say whatever the fuck we want.
	I got friends like Owen Schreuer.
	I got friends like Peter Rosenberg, who's, you know, Jewish, who is a liberal, who I have a lot in common with, bro.
	We need to stop hating each other.
	Okay?
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's not left.
	It's not fucking right.
	It's these people with billions of dollars who are shutting us up.
	We're all the same.
	We're fucking Americans, dude.
	And I and I just hope that people see that, know that, you know, these are your brothers.
	And when when you know, people had to go to war back in the day, dude.
	They had to fight.
	No matter if you were a Republican or a Democrat, you were on that fucking front line with a gun in your hand, getting shot at.
	And watch how quickly and close you become.
	You know what I mean?
	Yep.
	Well said.
	Great way to end this stream.
	And I hope people go follow you, follow the news.
	Yeah, man.
	Support a real one, guys.
	It's just me out here.
	Vince McMahon, there's no hand in between.
	2.5% merch on that certified t-shirt was enough money to change my fucking life forever, dude.
	But hey, I get every dollar in the merchandise and the music now.
	So thank you guys.
	Amen to that.
	Amen to that.
	Real one.
	Enzo Amare.
	You may remember him.
	Still a legend.
	Always a legend.
	Still a legend.
	Great to talk to you, brother.
	We'll be in touch.

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