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Oct. 8, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
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Owen Shroyer And Ezra Levant Discuss US Israel Relations
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is Wednesday, October 8th, in what may prove to be a very historic night as a peace deal has just been signed by Hamas and Israel.
A major development right before I go live with Ezra Levant from Rebel News.
This this may be a very important development for our conversation, even here today.
But Ezra joins me.
And I think let me let me kind of introduce this to the audience as such.
I've been in touch with Ezra for years.
I've known him for years.
We've interviewed each other for years, and we've been uh fighting the same good fight for years as well.
So even if things do get a little uh passionate here, there's nothing but love and respect from both sides.
I think it's very important for me that that gets expressed.
I think it may be for Ezra as well, but he can feel free to express that or disagree uh if he feels so fit.
Um, so Ezra joins me tonight, and it's my understanding, Ezra, that uh there was some commentary that I had engaged in on X, specifically regarding Israel that you may have had an issue with or disagreed with, and that's what spurred this conversation here tonight.
That's why you join us here tonight.
And so if you want to open it like that, or if you want to get into the peace deal that was signed, I think both of those are good introductory uh topics here tonight.
Sure.
Well, first of all, let me tell you that the mutual admiration society is a real thing.
I admire your anti-globalism.
I admire your skepticism of authority, and in your particular case, you paid the price personally, which I think uh shows a level of courage that 99.9% of people don't have.
Um, I think we agree on a lot of things, not everything.
And one of the things that I have done, I'm a little older than you, got some more gray hair, and there's less of it, is I fought against fought some of the same battles you have.
Like every year, Rebel News sends a team to Davos, Switzerland, to battle the World Economic Forum.
So I don't know, maybe you remember we scrummed Albert Burla, the CEO of Pfizer.
We scrummed Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, and we really roughed him up with questions in a way that had never happened before.
And let me just say a quick thing about that, and then I I do want to talk about the news tonight.
When I was there in the streets of Davos, scrumming these two oligarchs, these two masters in the bitter cold.
Oh, you know, in fact, can I play like 90 seconds from the Burla thing just to remind people?
It's it remains the most watched video we ever did.
I just want to show people to remind them, and then I want to close the loop on that story because it sort of animates why I reached out to you.
Can we play that for a second, Olivia?
Here, yeah, go ahead, take a quick look.
This was in Davos, it was really cold, and we spotted Albert Burla, he's the boss of Pfizer, the guy who was pushing uh the the jabs.
Just take a quick look at this.
Mr. Burla, can I ask you when did you know that the vaccines didn't stop transmission?
How long did you know that without saying it publicly?
Thank you very much.
I mean, we we now know that the vaccines didn't stop transmission, but why did you keep it secret?
You said it was 100% effective, then 90%, then 80%, then 70%.
But we now know that the vaccines do not trans stop transmission.
Why did you keep that secret?
I won't have a nice day until I know the answer.
Why did you keep it a secret that your vaccine did not stop transmission?
Is it time to apologize to the world, sir, to give refunds back to the countries that pulled all their money into your vaccine that doesn't work, your ineffective vaccine?
Are you not ashamed of what you've done in the last couple of years?
Jeffrey apologies to the public, sir.
Are you proud of it?
You've made millions on the backs of people's tire livelihoods.
How does that feel to walk the straight to the millionaire on the backs of the regular person at home in Australia in England and Canada?
What do you think about on your yacht, sir?
What do you think about on your private jet?
Are you worried about product liability?
Are you worried about myocarditis?
What about the sudden deaths?
Okay, I won't play the whole thing, but Owen, I just wanted to show that because that was a career highlight for me.
For folks that can find it pretty quick on Google.
I saw him as a globalist, As an authoritarian, as someone who was making a product that was forcing people to get the jab or lose their job, I th I saw him as a profiteer.
I saw him as someone who probably was shipping a faulty product that hadn't been tested.
That's how I saw him.
And me and my colleague Abi Yamini, who also happens to be Jewish, him and me are the only two Jewish reporters at Rebel News.
There's about 30 of us here at the company.
And it just so happened that Abi and me were there.
And I looked at Albert Burla the same way I looked at Larry Fink last year when we scrummed him.
I freaking hate the guy.
I hate everything about him.
I hate how anti-democratic he is.
I hate how globalist he is.
But I didn't say, oh, there's a Jew.
And the reason is because I'm Jewish myself.
So and I know I'm not those things.
And I think of Stephen Miller, the amazing uh deputy chief of staff of the White House who's pushing the re migration campaign, who's pushing the ban Antifa campaign.
He's a kind of a role model to me.
I mean, I think he's one of the most important parts of the America First Agenda.
And so sometimes I get my dander up a bit when I when I hear sort of a collective the Jews or the Zionists, because I'm a Jew and I'm a Zionist, and I actually believe in a lot of the things you do, and and at your former home at InfoWars, I sort of loved being part of the you know action and being a loyal supporter.
And so sometimes when I hear people criticize the Jews or the Zionists, I think, wait a minute, I've actually been personally sued by George Soros.
That's a credential, most people don't have.
And so I wanted to reach out to you and and just say, I I want an opportunity to make the case to you and your viewers, not to say the phrase all Jews are all Zionists.
I'm not saying you do, but I just want to be a part of the conversation a little bit and give ask you guys to think of a few things from my point of view, if it's if I can convince you of it.
I would love to hear things from your point of view, and I think it would be important for people to hear your point of view and my point of view.
Um, and you know, I'll kind of let you lead it off, but there seems to be I think there's a lot of bad communication going on, and there's voices out there that get a lot of attention, and then somehow those voices get plastered onto other people, like maybe myself.
Whereas I've I I've never said the Jews, um, you know, as far as Zionists are concerned, I I think I'd need a little more understanding of what exactly that maybe means to you or or to others before I can even decide what that what that means to me or or if I have an issue with it.
Um, you know, I I said this today earlier on my show, and I guess I would kind of lead with this.
What I'm what I'm sick of having happen to me personally, and and this is I think why let's just say let's say the Jewish individual cause right now is is having these issues, because if I just say something critical of Israel, I get called an anti-Semite.
I get called a Jew hater, and I'm neither one of those things, and I never have been either one of those things.
And the problem is when you do that, um, now less level-headed people than me, they take it differently, and they they have a more vitriolic response, and they try to mirror that hatred back on who's ever accusing them of this.
So, you know, that's that's that's the issue that I've seen.
So I I I definitely can recognize the issues that you're talking about, but I think a lot of people that are coming from it from my perspective, which is hey, I just have an issue with Netanyahu.
I just have an issue with the Israeli government.
I've never had any problem with Jews, and then I get called an anti-Semite, and I'm just like, well, that's just disingenuous.
Yeah.
Many times it's actually libelous, defamatory.
And so that's where I get my you know, dandruff get going, like you said earlier, because it's just it's not fair to do that.
And quite frankly, it's a woke, it's a woke tactic in my eyes.
And and it's sneaky, and it actually uses Jewishness as a weapon.
You know, I grew up in west of Calgary, Alberta.
I went to a school in the country, my sister and I were the only Jews in the whole school.
And so I was always asked questions about being Jewish, and some of them were sort of quote, dumb questions, but they were always asked in good faith.
And I learned at a very young age, if someone has a question, answer it or try and answer it.
Don't attack them.
And even if they have questions about the Holocaust, if they have questions about embarrassing things that this Jew or that Jew has done, or or that Israel has done, don't assume the worst.
And And I want to tell you something that I don't think I've said in public before.
You know, if I wasn't Jewish, and if the only Jews, or if the Jews that I was faced with most are the ones who are the most prominent on the internet, Rabbi Schmooley, Jonathan Greenblad of the anti-defamation league, George Soros, though I don't I don't know if he even regards himself as Jewish.
If those were the Jews, and if I didn't know that I'm a Jew and I'm very much not like them, I would I would be pretty antipathetic to Jews too.
Rabbi Schmooley, and what what do the first two of them have in common, Rabbi Schmooly and Jonathan Greenblatt?
They both say, hey, everybody, I'm an official Jew.
I speak for the Jews.
What I'm about to tell you now is in the name of all Jews, and I'm here, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
No, you're not.
And in the case of Greenblatt, he was just pushing a globalist Obama agenda, as you know, he used to work for Obama.
And Rabbi Schmooley is just a attention whore who is so appalling.
Every time he goes on TV, uh, a hundred new anti-Semites are made, and I can understand why he's so odious.
Can I play another 60 second clip?
And then that's those are the only two clips I brought with me because I want to show you how mad I am at Jonathan Greenblatt.
This is also from Davos at the World Economic Forum.
My colleague Avi spotted Greenblatt.
Can I play for you just the quick interaction between them?
Because you might get a kick out of this.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay, take a look.
How are you doing, Jonathan?
Can I ask you something?
I'll walk with you.
Are you like that?
The boy who cried wolf.
Are you for so many years you you you cried anti-Semitism and you found hatred everywhere?
And then what and then and then finally meaning from Rebel News.
What's rebel news?
Rebel news.
It doesn't matter.
But finally now, the when the world, when the world has turned so anti-Semitic, no one believes this because of people like you and the work you've done over so many years.
Destroying our allies, making lists about our allies, people that actually defend us.
You've been a big part of that problem, haven't you?
Do you know the boy that cried?
I'm not familiar with the story.
Why don't you explain it to me?
Jonathan, like it's not a joke because the Jews around the world, we are feeling the pain, and you've alienated so many of our allies.
What about Elon Musk?
Somebody that's been so good.
Now you got a message for Elon.
Thank you, Jonathan.
There you go.
Okay, I mean, my what I wanted to show there is Abi's actually uh fairly religious more than I am.
And he and I share the view that what Jonathan Greenblatt did was so terrible, he called people anti-Semitic when they weren't as a political weapon.
So he probably wouldn't like you, Owen, because of your bundle of politics.
But he would say, therefore you're anti-Semitic, and he would have the ADL name behind him.
And they did such, they they called Charlie Kirk anti-Semitic.
Remember they called this hand signal.
I think it started as like a four-chan joke that the, you know, when you make that hand signal, they would say, well, that stands for white power.
So even that hand signal is anti-Semitic.
And they did all this just to smear their enemies and put Gentiles on the back foot and make people defensive and make people say, Oh, I'm not anti-Semitic.
I like those two men, Rabbi Smooly and Jonathan Greenblad have done more damage to the Jews because they claim to be operating in the name of all Jews.
And I don't claim to operate in the name of all Jews.
I'll admit it to you right now, Owen, most Jews are liberal.
Until at least recently, I think most Jews This is kind of a funny joke, but if you get it, you'll get it.
Ask ask a conservative Jew about a liberal Jew if you want to have a good laugh.
Just go ahead.
You'll get them going.
Yeah.
Well, listen, I I I said that the opener that I wanted to say, because my my belief, I mean, I don't know your viewers as well as you do, obviously, but I'm gonna guess that they believe in the individual as opposed to the collective.
And so just the same way as if imagine if Clarence Thomas, who I think is the best Supreme Court justice, if Clarence Thomas was right here and you had something to say about the black community, yes, most blacks are liberal.
Yes, there's all sorts of statistics and all sorts of challenges, but but never forget that blacks are individuals, and I'm not saying you do, I'm just giving an example, uh, an analogy.
So, yeah, there's a lot of liberal Jews that drive me crazy, and there are Jews who are globalists.
I I think Soros Still probably calls himself a Jew.
But are they doing or what are what they're doing truly a Jewish essence, or do they happen to be Jews?
And I I just want to invite your viewers not to adopt a collectivist mindset to blame everyone because this Jew or that Jew does something they don't like.
That's just my one plea.
But let me cork it now and let me answer some of your points.
Because you've you've raised some points about being falsely accused and falsely labeled, and I hear you.
And that's what I learned when I was a kid in the country school.
Even if someone asks a question that's prickly, don't assume bad faith.
How about try and answer them instead?
Well, I think a lot of the things that you expressed, and I won't be too redundant here, um, but but I I would say I agree with probably everything you expressed.
And when I see happening, and I and I've called this out many times, like like you are addressing it.
When you have any individual that tries to treat any group of people, we've seen it on the left with blacks in America.
They say, oh, all blacks have to vote the same, all black Americans have to think the same.
And it's just it's just not true.
And then when a black American wants to be a conservative or a Trump supporter, we see what happens to them.
Uh, and so I think that I think that a very similar thing has happened with Jewish individuals.
And and and it might even be less true.
Uh, but what happens is the political class uses the Jewish people and says, oh, I'm gonna hide behind it, like the ADL or other groups and say, oh, I'm gonna hide behind it, and I'm gonna hide really what is just support for Israel or prioritizing Israel or loyalty to Israel, as oh, it's just it's just all Jews, and so therefore, if you attack Israel, you're attacking all Jews and you're anti-Semitic.
So this is where I have the problem.
Um I don't like supporting Israel.
I don't like America supporting Israel.
Quite frankly, I'd like to see the relations completely severed.
I'd like America completely out of the Middle East.
I believe that it's Israel that's responsible for us being in the Middle East and all of the death and destruction that has been caused there.
That's my view on it.
And I don't think there's anything that's going to change that.
I think that that's just a matter of fact.
And so when I'm critical of Israel or I'm critical of Netanyahu, to claim that that's anti-Semitic or hate filled is is it's not only not true, but to me, that's weaponized.
That's weaponized to hide behind that and say you're not allowed to be critical of a foreign government.
And I see it everywhere.
And it's happening to such a degree now that yes, people are turning into anti-Semites because it's a massive brainwashing campaign to say that every Jew feels the same way about Israel.
Now, having said that, and and maybe you can contest this, but I've but I've brought this up before.
Uh, because I try to explain to people.
Most Americans did not grow up with Middle East politics in their house.
Now, I don't know what it was like growing up in your household, but for me, we never talked about Israel.
We never talked about Middle East.
You know, Jews and Muslims was not an issue, never came up.
And so to have it like force fed into our consciousness now, like it's dinner table conversation that we've been having forever, and yes, of course we're all behind Israel here, it's just not true.
It's just not accurate.
And so you're trying to fit a square into a small circle.
It's just not going to fit.
Americans are not going to resonate with the pro-Israel message, and then it ends up back into the dumps of you're either a part of the Jews or you're an anti-Semite.
And I think that that's the problem is we can't have an honest conversation about Israel.
I don't know, there's many reasons maybe why, uh, but that's the antithesis.
That's the genesis of me.
We can't have a conversation that's honest about Israel.
And when you do, you get name-called.
And now uh they want to pass laws and say it's even anti-Semitic speech, and they want to make it criminal.
So, yeah, that's a problem.
Well, uh, you may know my credentials on the free speech file.
I've been prosecuted by something called the Alberta Human Rights Commission for three years.
So I I mean, I free speech is a tough thing because you got to give it to your opponents you hate the most if you want it for yourself.
And I I try and live up to that, and I know you do too.
And even allowing me on your show is proof that you support free speech.
I'm grateful to you.
Let me say a few quick things about about your comments about Israel, because I think that's that was the video that the uh caused me to reach out to you the other week.
I think that uh I agree with you that Israel should either not continue to take or America should not continue to give the approximately three billion dollars a year in foreign aid to Israel, which is higher than Egypt, which is in second place, et cetera.
I I don't think Israel needs it, by the way.
Israel has a half a trillion dollar economy every year.
That's less than one percent.
And I think it'll stop irritating Americans who are opposed to foreign aid.
Um I think it's a uh uh a fraction of what America's given to Ukraine.
And I don't know if you've ever done the math, but there are still 40 U.S. military bases in Germany.
There's 50,000 American servicemen there.
There's Americans in Japan.
Uh there's Americans in Korea.
I mean, it's sort of obvious there's still Americans in Cuba from the Spanish American War.
Um the largest military base in the Middle East is the American base in Aladade Qatar, which cost $10 billion a year to operate, and that's just money.
I'm not talking about the manpower there.
That's where CENTCOM is headquartered.
So uh why is America so heavy in the Middle East?
I think it goes back centuries.
I think it goes back a hundred years for oil.
But I don't know if you know the battle hymn of the Republic.
You know the one from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.
You know that song.
Well, why what what are the Marines doing in the shores of Tripoli?
That's that's Libya.
Well, the Barbary pilot pirates, Arab and Muslim pirates would seize boats and as incredible it is to believe, seize white slaves.
They would capture white people as far north as Ireland.
There's this town in Ireland called Baltimore.
Um a Muslim raiding party took the entire town away and sold them in the slave market in North Africa.
That's what the U.S. Marines were doing in the shores of Tripoli 200 years ago.
And you probably know this.
More white slaves were sold to the slave markets than black slaves were sent to America.
White slavery was a huge issue at the hands of Muslim slavers because not to be rude about it, but the Quran allows the taking of rape slaves.
That's what ISIS, that's one of the things that motivated young men to join ISIS.
They were given rape slaves as a booty.
I guess both meanings of that word.
So if you're asking what what are the Americans doing in the Middle East, I think one answer is oil.
I think one answer is historical, fighting the Barbary pirates.
Even to this day, America fights pirates.
I think America is focused on the fact that the Saudis pump 10 million barrels a day and other Gulf states did.
And if that's taken off the market, the price of oil is going to go wacky.
Those are my thoughts.
I could be wrong.
I think Israel should give up the three billion a year just so it's no longer an irritant.
And but I think Americans should say, well, why are Germany's what the fourth largest economy in the world?
What's America doing subsidizing Germans Germany's military?
And I can assure you it's more than three billion a year.
What do you think of those points, Owen?
I think most people that share my mindset would probably want these military bases all over the world to be shut down.
I think all of us want to bring the troops home.
Now that's a little bit of a more complex and diverse situation than the focus of this conversation today.
Um I don't think us being in the Middle East has anything to do with the Barbary Pirates.
Maybe oil, maybe other resources, maybe artifacts.
I think most of that though is is strategic for Israel, specifically that Qatari base.
That Qatari base is specifically strategic for Israel.
That's where we have most of our defense patterns and and we even refill and provide Israel with other resources out of that base.
So that is very strategic for Israel.
And that's why when Qatar got attacked by Israel, it was such a contentious issue, and and Trump made Netanyahu apologize over the phone because it was such a it was such a bad deed for the entire geopolitical structure.
Now, as far as the money, uh, we've also given 22 billion dollars in direct aid in the last two years to Israel and 10 billion dollars in other aid.
That's just the last two years.
Overall, Israel has has received has been the number one benefactor, especially if you want to talk about per capita, it's not even close.
Some people would say, and I think there Might be an element of truth that the reason why Egypt is the number two recipient is we pay Egypt off to leave Israel alone and to not form a united front against Israel in that region, we're paying them off.
Now, I'm not gonna say that that's 100% true, but I I do think there might be an element of true to that.
Um but you know, you you bring up the the the slave trade.
Um, so so are you so you're telling me that Muslims were slave trading whites and that Jews were slave trading blacks?
Is that what that's what was going on in those regions?
Again, I don't want anything to do with this ancient history.
I I'm talking about history now, but I mean, so it's just like so everything traces back to the slave trade, the Jewish slave trade, the Muslim slave trade, and now it's both white whites and blacks that were the victims of this.
I mean, I don't even know why that's relevant to this conversation, but uh you brought it up.
I yeah, I was just explaining what the Marines were doing, like why they would to this day sing about the shores of Tripoli because they were fighting the Barbary pirate pirates, and I don't think the Jews said much to do with that.
That was their first, yeah, that was their first foreign mission.
So I'm guessing that that's just a reference to the history, yeah.
Right.
I'm just saying, well, what were the Americans 200 plus years ago doing fighting Muslim pirates?
Like, why?
Well, because they were marauding American ships, and and I I was just making the point that that that's an enormous story, and obviously I think we we both agree that black slaver in America was wrong, but it it it to say that America or the or the British Empire has some unique blameworthiness there is untrue.
There's been slavery on every continent.
I think Elon Musk makes some excellent points about this, but I don't want to linger on that.
Can I say a quick thing about the Middle East?
Because I wrote a book about 10 years ago called Ethical Oil, the case for Canada's oil sense.
And then I wrote another version about American oil, and let me just make the case in one minute, because I I found a piece of research when I was doing that book.
What is the American Navy doing in the Persian Gulf?
Like I'm I might disagree with some of what you're saying about Qatar.
I think the reason the bases in Qatar is to stop Iran from taking it.
Basically, Qatar is a few hundred thousand citizens, a bunch of foreign indentured workers, and oil and gas.
Qatar is extremely important, especially to Europe for natural gas.
I think it's the largest provider of national natural gas to Europe.
So I that my view is that you know Occam's razor, what's the American base doing in Qatar?
Protecting them against Iran, which they could never be protected against.
But put that theory aside.
What's the Navy?
Let me just pause you right there.
And I because I think that I think that this is another issue that people have is you've you've already brought up Muslims, and now you're bringing up Iran and you're bringing up Qatar.
We don't care, Ezra.
Like, I that's what I'm saying.
It seems like, and again, this is where stuff starts to get a little hairy.
I'm just explaining what Saint Combs doing in Qatar.
Like that I'm saying is when I here here's what I'm saying.
Yeah, to get back to what I was saying earlier.
I I obviously I I'm not Jewish.
I have never grown up in a Jewish household.
It's a different, it's it's a different upbringing, it's a different culture.
I mean, I'm sure it's very similar, mostly, it's probably 98% similar, but there's Jewish traditions and Jewish cultures and Jewish heritage that I don't know anything about.
And so it seems like whenever whenever we have this conversation, and and let's say it is with a conservative, a right wing Jew, they always want to go back to this.
Iran, Qatar, Muslims.
Ezra, these are not my historical enemies, really.
They're not.
I don't, I'm not I was not raised in a household where Muslims want to kill me.
I'm not from my family's not from a part of the world where I've been fighting with Muslims for 10 generations.
It's not an American thing.
And so I grew up in these things, but it seems like that's where it always goes.
And again, I'm not even saying it's a bad thing.
I can understand, I can understand if a Jewish person has loyalty to Israel.
I can understand that.
Don't expect me to have the same thing for obvious reasons, though.
What I'm saying is it does seem like there's a there's a bit of a heritage, there's a bit of a generational thing here where yes, there is generational hatred from these groups.
There are generational issues that these groups have been having.
And it seems like whenever we try to bring things back here, we always end up back in the Middle East.
And it's just like, I don't want to hear about Iran, I don't want to hear about Qatar, I don't want to hear about the Muslims.
I don't care.
I don't have to deal with these people, and I shouldn't have to.
Well, then you better stop immigration into America because it's coming for you, even if you don't want to deal with them, they're coming from you.
Sure, stop it.
Close the board.
Well, not just stop, but remigration to Stephen Miller way.
The reason I was raising it is because I was trying to say that the amount of money spent on military aid, you have to look at the American bases around the world, and you said that's a good idea.
I mentioned let me close the loop on my ethical oil story that I was and I don't mind you interrupting because you made an important point.
But the U.S. Navy spends about 50 billion with a B patrolling the Persian Gulf sea lanes.
There's only one thing of value in the Persian Gulf, and it's oil.
And it's Saudi oil and Omani oil and Bahraini and UAE, it's it's all the oil.
But that's a subsidy from U.S. taxpayers, a subsidy in blood and treasure, so someone else can sell oil.
And so the the purpose of my book was to say to America and Canada, because we've got the oil sands, which you may know about, it's a huge reserves of oil, is get off foreign conflict oil, as I call it, and get on Canadian and American ethical oil.
So I think that one of the reasons America is intertwined there, and you you may not like this fact, Owen, but I think it's a fact.
If you look at what Getty and all the others were doing there, it's the oil.
You can't run a modern economy like America without the oil.
Look at the situation Japan's in.
So if you want to get off, if you want to get out of the Middle East, you gotta drill baby drill.
And the crazy thing about Europe is they won't drill their own oil and gas.
So they're either buying it from Russia or they're buying it from Qatar, and I would much rather buy their own oil and gas and America to produce twice as much as it's making right now.
But I just think whatever you think of Israel and Iran, but having these dictatorships produce so much oil is not good for the world.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, I don't think I'll I don't think I really have any pushback to offer there.
I I would say I think you know, the the issue that I think you run into is that is such a comp it's like it's just layers of corruption.
It's it's it's it's decades of of plans, and it's just like it's like when you stack lies on top of lies, and then you know, you don't even you don't even remember what the original lie was, right?
So it's like maybe we went over there for this reason, we ended up over here for this reason, and then there was this, and it's just like it's just it's all compelled.
History is one damn thing after another.
Yeah.
So I I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree that I'd like to have our own uh energy sources.
I I mean, really, if you wanted to go down my conspiracy rabbit hole, I don't even think we need oil anymore, quite frankly.
I think there's plenty of other energy sources that are being kept from humanity.
Um, but but that's perhaps another uh another conversation for another day.
So I I just I feel like to get back to the Israel issue.
For me, this is only going one direction, and maybe this is maybe this is kind of a point of contention.
But to me, the relationship now is is souring fast, where it's almost like you can't even have like a mutual divorce or a mutual breakup.
Now both sides seem to be vitriolic, both sides seem to be very vitriolic about this divorce.
So I mean, imagine you know, divorces get nasty.
Uh the the it seems to be past the point of because you know you see Netanyahu with Ben Shapiro, oh, you know, we want to get off the US dollar too.
I don't believe that for a second, but okay, let's even say it's true.
It's just it's too late.
The deed has already been done.
And now when Americans get called names and they're and and here's I think, and this is and this is where I'll I'll I'll want to hear back from you.
Because I think that this is kind of the big it's like, why is it so hyperpolarized, or why is there so much attention on this issue?
Because we voted for Trump and we really thought we were gonna get MAGA.
I mean, we really thought the American cause was going to be first and foremost, and it's been nothing but the Israel cause.
It's been nothing but the Israel cause for 10 months, man, and we're just beyond sick of it.
We're hard to do that.
Can I could I press you on that a little bit?
Can I press you on that a little bit?
Because you you said something earlier too about it's all we see is Gaza and Israel and Israel is real Israel, Netanyahu is at the White House so often.
And it is disproportionate.
So if you believe the statistics from the Hamas Health Ministry, it's about 70,000 dead in Gaza, if I'm not mistaken.
That's the official number, yeah.
So and you know, some might take uh Hamas's numbers with a grain of salt, but let's accept them.
So but for some reason, Jews are news, and we can have different uh theories about that.
But at the same time, there are massive actual genocides around the world, wars in Africa that have cost five million lives in Congo.
Who we couldn't who even could find Congo in a map?
Maybe because there isn't an APAC for Congo, we don't care.
But I I think there's been an enormously disproportionate interest in Israel's war.
Um that is perhaps politicized.
And I think that and here's what I want to push back a little bit on what you just said.
You said it's been nothing but Israel for 10 months.
Other than the seven B-2 bombers that had a perfect mission that only they could do.
By the way, Trump has been talking about Iran as long as he's had Twitter.
If you want to, I mean the guy, Iran and China, he's been talking about them for 15 years.
It's not a it's not something that's new.
Other than taking a other than those B-2 bombers and giving some military assistance to Israel, can you tell me how America has been obsessed with Israel militarily, economically, other than what we've described with the foreign aid, which we've already talked about and the military aid and those seven B-2 bombers?
What else has Trump done?
Well, first of all, not everything is about Trump, but I think I speak for many in the MAGA movement.
That I guess let's look at deliverables.
How many deep state arrests have there been?
None, not a single one.
Okay, but he said it's because he's busy doing Israel stuff.
But what Israel stuff has he done?
Netanyahu's been to the White House four times.
Well, and it looks like it paid off.
Looks like Trump has actually solved that Gordian knot.
I mean, if you believe the headlines, paid off for who?
Well, I I think if the Middle East is at peace, I I mean I don't know.
Trump Trump is doing a heck of a lot of things.
If you're saying, but I but I but can I come back?
It's a real question, and I'm my my ears are open.
I want to hear it.
Other than what we've discussed already, how has Trump been obsessed with Israel?
I okay.
Netanyahu's visited four times.
Uh, how many times has Zelensky visited?
At least two or three.
Let's put those things aside.
Yeah, don't support him either.
I mean believe me, Canada's actually disproportionate uh in in giving to Zelensky.
Let's not open that uh Kendall Fish.
You guys brought the Nazi up to the parliament.
Oh it's it's madness up here.
If you can I say one more you just made me chuckle because let me finish my statement.
Okay, as you asked the question.
Uh we just had a large group of American politicians fly to Israel.
That just happened.
That doesn't happen with any other country.
That only happens with Israel.
And you bring up APAC.
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure it only happens with Israel?
Does it happen with Taiwan?
I'm just gonna pull it out.
No, it does not happen with Taiwan.
No.
You sure?
Yes, yes, Ezra.
Let's let's not let's not let's not play these games.
You know, Israel has more influence over our government than any other country on earth.
Let's not be disingenuous.
That is just the truth.
And you bring up APAC, but you can't just scoff at APAC.
APAC is one of the most powerful foreign lobbies in American politics.
I mean, this is undeniable.
They spent 12 million dollars to unseat Corey Bush for Wesley Ball, who's gonna lose his next election.
So, yes, APAC is an extremely important foreign lobby, and it is an extremely powerful lobby.
And it's guess what?
There's only there only seems to be one issue that both democrats and republicans agree on.
What is that?
Supporting Israel, voting for Israel in Congress.
Why?
And Taiwan APAC money, they vote.
Ezra.
No, you I think they're gonna compare Taiwan to Israel, really.
But why can't I?
Because it's not even close.
It's not even close.
Well, uh, listen, I hope, God forbid, I hope China never invades Taiwan, and I hope America's never tested that way.
That would be much more devastating than anything happening in Israel.
If Taiwan went down, it hurt America much more than Israel.
I I mean there's different ways to measure that.
Both are high-tech superpowers, I guess.
Hey, but can I can I ask a question when we're talking?
Semiconductors come out all most of our tech conductors come out of Taiwan.
It's not even You don't see made in Israel on all of our stuff.
It's made in Taiwan, it's made in China.
I think Israel's the number three country for NASDAQ IPOs.
But listen, we're we're in the weeds.
Can I come back to a bigger question?
And I I genuinely want to real quick.
I'll let you go back real quick.
As far as the B-2 bombing in uh Iran, notice how quickly Netanyahu has gone back to the same thing he's been saying for 40 years.
No matter how much action the US military takes in the Middle East, Netanyahu always come back every time and asks for more.
He lied about weapons of mass destruction.
He lied.
Is that him or was that was that Netanyahu?
Yes, it was Netanyahu.
I thought that was um oh shoot, I just forgot his name, Colin Powell.
It was Colin Powell.
Netanyahu came to Congress in the 1990s and said that they had weapons of mass destruction and they were gonna bomb us.
That was Israeli intelligence, just like it was in Israeli intelligence that Iran was flying drones off the east coast, a total lie.
So Israeli intelligence lies to America, tricks us into doing things for Israel, and then the American people just have to sit here and take it, and we're not taking it anymore.
Now, just to be clear, that doesn't mean we blame all Jews, but that's what people said you did.
I never said you did.
Netanyahu are doing, they're hiding behind the Jewish faith.
Netanyahu's Polish, hiding behind the Jewish identity to get away with all of this stuff and say, Oh, you're an anti-Semite if you don't like it.
I think he's actually born in Israel.
He was he was born in Israel, but his real name is Milikowski.
He's actually Polish, and actually he's really American.
I mean, he went to high school with Mark Levin, he was basically a Philly kid.
I I want to ask a question to you, and it's not a trick and it's not a trap.
It's a genuine question.
I I just wonder what what you would say.
You talk a lot about Israel, you think a lot about it, you argue a lot about it.
Would you ever go there to see with your own eyes?
And I'm not necessarily inviting you.
I'm not I'm not with the Israeli government.
I just wonder if you would go, because there's something I think would shock you.
How many people there disagree with Netanyahu?
In fact, there's regular true.
Oh no, I agree.
I completely know I cover that probably more than anybody else in American media.
There are protests against Netanyahu in the streets almost every day in Israel.
So are you could are you conflating Netanyahu, the leader of a particular political party?
And Netanyahu's been there for so long.
He's he's fatigued Israelis as much as he's fatigued you.
What can you tell me a reason?
I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
I genuinely want to know.
Is there a reason you would not go there if you had free reign, go wherever you want, ask whatever you want, see whatever you want.
Is there a reason you wouldn't go?
And I'm not suggesting there is.
I I just think your natural curiosity, your natural skepticism.
You've you've thought about this a lot.
I think I think you would learn things.
Uh, you would maybe see things that surprise you and other things that confirmed your views.
It's just an idea.
You forgive me for putting the question to you.
No, not at all.
This is uh this is open platform here.
This has been a good conversation.
Um, well, Ezra, you don't think I've been invited multiple times?
You don't think they've invited me to go?
Can I ask why you don't?
I mean, if you if you use your own money, they've been trying to get me to go for a for over a year, and the answer is no.
The answer is that if you use your own money, like uh I would rebel news has gone to Israel, and we never take foreign money, we never take government money because we say whatever we want.
I took Gavin McKinnis and I said to him, My only condition is you have to be honest with what you see.
I said you can say you hate it, you can say you don't like it, but my only condition is you got to speak the truth.
And I think he was really surprised.
If you use your own money or if you set up a little crowdfund or whatever made you ethically comfortable, so you were not beholden to anyone, would you go?
No, no, I wouldn't.
Uh well, first of all, it's a very dangerous part of the world.
Okay, so I don't want to go there because it's dangerous.
Uh and second of all, uh, I don't want the optics of it.
Now, now, just to be clear, I guarantee you I would I I bet I would enjoy anywhere.
The the country I'm not saying enjoy, I'm saying learn.
Like your first part about danger.
See, but now this is where we run into a problem.
I thought you just said learn.
What do I know?
You said well, listen, I would go to Iran in a second.
I don't you know, you talk about me and my comments about Iran.
I would go there in a second if I thought I could get out.
There you go.
You wouldn't go there because it's dangerous.
I wouldn't, I would say it's dangerous.
What do you what are you worried about?
Anything.
I don't know.
Anything could happen over there.
I don't know what you know.
People in and out of bomb shelters, bombs are always flying.
Israel's bombing seven countries right now, Ezra.
I thought we just had a peace deal.
I was celebrating.
Well, the well, they claim to have signed a peace deal.
Uh, by the way, I Netanyahu wasn't there.
They signed a peace deal without Netanyahu.
Uh, I think that that's kind of a significant thing, should that be the case.
Um, no, I I don't really have any interest in going to Israel.
I guarantee you, just like anywhere I've gone.
I would enjoy the people, I would enjoy the food, I would enjoy the culture, just like everywhere else I've gone to.
Who cares about those things?
What about the politics and the history and the military?
That's why no.
That's why no.
That's absolutely why I would not do it.
You know, I would like you to just to reconsider that because I there's things you would see.
The first thing you would see is the racial mix in the country, and that would go to your point about Netanyahu being a pole.
Well, you know, that there's an enormous number of Arab Jews there.
What are they doing in Israel?
Well, they were all kicked out of Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Morocco, Algeria.
They were all kicked out when Israel became a country.
All those countries kicked out their Jews.
They went to Israel.
There's black Jews from Ethiopia.
And just seeing these things in the wild, I don't know if you know that.
Maybe you know that.
Maybe I'm underestimating your knowledge.
But just certain things that wouldn't surprise me at all, but it makes no difference.
It doesn't, why would that matter to me?
I don't understand.
Well, I'm there's a lot of things you can only sort of sense by being in a place.
Like if I if I told you wonderful things about Portugal, but you said, okay, have you ever been there?
And I'd say no, you'd say, Well, why don't you just go?
You're so interested in I'm not commenting on I'm not commenting on Israel.
I'm commenting on the government.
I'm commenting on go and go and meet them, scrum them.
Talk to the opposition, meet Arabs, talk to talk to Arab Israelis, talk to the Arab on the Supreme Court.
So, this is I think I think that this is kind of where we get to the bottom line, and this is where I have no, there's nowhere for me to budge here, Ezra.
I don't care about Israel.
I don't believe how many times do I believe you?
I do not care.
I do, I have no connection to Israel.
My family has no connection to Israel.
I don't care.
I'm not gonna sit here and get browbeat about Israel.
I it doesn't matter to me, Ezra.
Well, then why are you talking about it so much?
Because we Israel wouldn't exist as it is today without the United States of America.
The foreign aid, we continue to support them despite what they're doing in the Gaza Strip, which I'm not even gonna sit here and it's war.
It's been going on for a thousand years.
I don't sit here and browbeat the people that support it.
I don't like it, I think it's disgusting and detestable, but whatever.
I want nothing to do with any of it.
I'm sick of the Middle East, Ezra.
I'm sick of hearing about Israel.
I'm sick of my politicians writing laws against anti-Semitic speech.
I'm sick of my politicians taking money from the foreign lobby and putting it first.
I'm sick of people putting an Israeli flag all over their profile, all over their political offices.
I'm sick of Israel.
I'm I don't want anything to do with it.
Let it take care of itself.
It can handle its own business.
I don't want to deal with it anymore.
I got my own problems, Ezra.
America has its own problems, and that's where it is.
Like that's where we reach the bottom line.
That's when there's no more push, there's no more shove.
We can talk about all the different dynamics, but at the end of the day, Americans don't want to care about Israel, Ezra.
They just don't.
And this is where I'm gonna politely say you love talking about Israel so passionately, you can't stop.
I wouldn't mention it a single time if I didn't give them another dime.
I wouldn't mention it a single time if APAC didn't exist.
I wouldn't mention it a single time if it wasn't all over my so you do care.
You do care.
How can I not?
It's in my life.
It's petty aspect of my political.
But what I'm here to say is I don't think you need to care this much.
And the reason I say that is and it goes back to my earlier question, and I said, How is how has Trump been obsessed?
I'm not gonna say you've been obsessed with Israel, but a number on the online right, and I consider myself online right, have been obsessed with Israel.
And I would say, other than those seven planes, I mean, Trump can walk and chew gum at the same time.
He's done what 200 executive orders, he's pushing re migration full tilt.
He's doing trade deals around the world.
He solved six wars.
He's trying to solve Ukraine.
Um he's unlocking energy dominance.
He's convert, you know, he's pushing back against censorship.
Trump is doing a hundred things.
The only thing I can think of for Israel is the B2 bombers and this peace deal, which I think is a good thing for a lot of people.
I don't think Trump is as obsessed with Israel as no disrespect.
I think you are more focused on it than you're letting on.
Okay.
Um I'll I'll take that as it stands, and I'll say, fine, I have zero tolerance of any involvement with Israel then.
How about that?
I have zero tolerance, none.
I want nothing to do with it.
Again, Israel can handle its own business, whether it's 60,000 Palestinians or 600,000 Palestinians that they've killed and completely leveled the entire country.
I want nothing to do with it.
Nothing.
Zero tolerance.
I don't know.
Netanyahu should be rejected.
Netanyahu should be abjectly rejected by the American people.
He's been lying to us for decades.
American soldiers went to the Middle East and died because of Netanyahu's lies.
The fact that this guy gets welcomed into the White House with open arms is disgusting to me.
I'm going to disagree with you on the wars because I I assert that America doesn't go to war for the Jews.
It goes to it, there's a base in Sirlik, Turkey.
I'm sure you know the one.
It's an it's a U.S. military base in Turkey.
It's actually a place where U.S. military uh atomic weapons are stored.
So it's actually an extremely important base in Turkey.
Um Erdogan is a son of a bitch.
He he's abusive uh to his own people, he's abusive to other people.
He uh despises um Christians, he he covers up the Armenian genocide, he's at war with the Kurds.
Can I ask if you have any objection for Trump being so lovey dovey with Erdogan and spending 10 billion dollars a year in the inserlic air base?
And if not, why not?
All I'm saying with Israel, and if if people don't want to like Israel, don't want to give money to Israel, don't want to deal with Israel, don't want to hear about Israel, fine.
But can you please say the same about many other countries that take more money a year from America that are more abusive to the relationship?
Um like what on earth is America doing supporting Erdogan, the butcher of Kurds.
So this happens every time in this debate is you you obfuscate and you go to a separate country and a separate issue.
I have no pushback for you.
I don't like Erdogan.
I don't want anyone.
Okay, so now we're getting somewhere.
So now we can we have a meeting of the minds.
If you have this view for every country, then you and me are on the same team because I think America should not get into foreign entanglements.
But you're being disingenuous if you think any of these countries have any any fraction of the sway and the influence that Israel has.
It's not even close.
Well, show me the last time uh Trump made someone apologize to Benjamin Netanyahu on the phone.
Show me one political action committee for Turkey.
Like you, I'm not force-fed a constant stream of Turkish news on Twitter.
It doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
You're exactly right.
And and I'd be curious for the reason for that.
You know, I I was uh I was joking.
You want to know what my what I believe the reason is?
What is the reason?
I believe the reason is because there is a segment.
Well, there's actually two, I would say there's two reasons.
One, there is a segment of rich American Jews that are loyal to Israel, and they will do everything to make sure that they buy our government and keep our government loyal to Israel because they have a connection to that.
They might even view it as their homeland.
So they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy our corrupt politicians to make sure that they continue to support Israel.
The other aspect is the military industrial complex.
And I hear this all the time.
They say, Well, don't you know that that money that you goes to Israel is they're buying mostly you know American weapons, and uh you just made the case even worse.
That's the military industrial complex.
That's what I stand against.
I don't like that.
But have you ever taken a stand against all these other U.S. military bases, especially in the Middle East?
Have you ever taken a stand against in Sirlik?
Have you ever taken a stand against Al Adaid?
And it's not enough to say they're there for Israel.
I think Israel would be delighted if both of those were moved.
The answer is yes.
I've actually been saying for years that we should have been bringing the troops home and putting them on our southern and northern border.
But if you mentioned Germany, have you mentioned Japan and Korea?
Because it's the it's this sorry, go ahead.
Anyone that's followed my work knows that for years I've been saying it's time to bring the troops home.
Okay, well, then why aren't you why aren't you extra mad about those other countries?
You you spoke very passionately a minute ago about Israel.
You already know the answer to that.
What is the answer?
Because Israel's the only one that controls my government.
Well, who managed to get 40,000 U.S. troops in Germany in 2025?
Who's in charge of that?
Are you talking about because of the war in Ukraine?
No, there've been there's been 40, 50,000 troops in Germany since the end of the second world war.
In Korea since 53.
Yeah, I don't like it.
I don't like any of it, bro.
Well, have you ever spoken out against it?
Yes.
Against Germany.
Okay.
Because you you you sure emphasizing the three billion a year that Israel gets triple that for Qatar's base, what multiplied by an enormous.
I mean, the 50 billion in the Persian Gulf is so such a shocking number.
And I've never, you know, I and again, I haven't watched everything you've said, but don't be obsessed with Jews.
And you're saying you don't care about Jews.
I think I and I'm not saying don't you don't be let no one be obsessed with Jews.
When you see a Rorschach test, the ink blot tests, it's not just Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews.
Sometimes Jews are behind it, sometimes non-Jews are behind it.
And it's not always Israel lurking behind, you know, the curtain.
I I don't disagree.
I cover all kinds of issues.
There's all kinds of people.
But when I criticize Joe Biden, nobody says I'm an anti-white racist, nobody says I'm an anti-Catholic racist, but I criticize Netanyahu.
All of a sudden I'm an anti-Semite Jew hater.
Well, I've never said that.
And and and I never said you did, but just like you don't know everything I've said, I've been against the troops being overseas forever.
I did a I did a presidential campaign spoof video, and my number one issue was bring the troops home.
That was my number one thing right after the gates.
And I do think, you know, the one the one thing I'll say that is a powerful point that you bring up, which I would say is I think you'll get a lot of Americans behind this when you talk about all the money.
It's not just Israel.
I mean, look, we both know why Israel is getting all the attention.
You might not agree with all of my conclusions here or or my perspective, but that is a fair point that I think most of Americans in my position and my perspective would say, hey, you're right.
Let's make a bigger issue out of that.
Let's talk about all the money we spend in the Gulf states.
Let's talk about all the foreign aid that goes out there.
It's not just Israel, it's hundreds of billions all over the world.
So my larger so my larger conclusion to this is that America is nowhere near where it should be, as far as potential is concerned.
And so now what you see is I've lived in St. Louis, I've lived in Austin.
I watched my city of St. Louis go to hell.
I watched it go to hell.
Infrastructure collapse, crime rates going up, homelessness and poverty.
I've well, I watched it go to hell for the for the 25 years that I lived there.
I came down to Austin when it was booming and a brand new up and coming town.
I've watched Austin go to hell in 10 years.
I've watched it go to hell.
We can't even build a bridge.
The bridge that collapsed in Baltimore, they don't even know when they're going to be able to complete it.
And so Americans have watched their lifestyle go down.
They watched their bank accounts get smaller while their government gets bigger and foreign money continues to go out.
So yes, Israel becomes a main topic for a bunch of different reasons that we discussed.
But no, I do think it is a larger issue.
We need to stop all foreign aid.
We need to stop all foreign entanglements.
It's despicable what we did in the war in Ukraine, sending all the money and weapons over there that just ended up in the hands of terrorists on the black market.
So you're not going to get any pushback from me on that.
And I think it's a fair thing.
If you want to expand this beyond just the scope of Israel, yeah, point that out.
It's not just Israel getting all this stuff.
Plenty of countries are benefactors of our charitable government.
Uh, and I think Americans will stand against all of it.
I'd love to see that investment right back here in the United States of America so that our downtowns can look like what we see that the dirty commies in China do better on infrastructure than we do.
Why am I getting beat by the dirty commies?
You talk about the Gulf nation states.
Look at what they've done in their major metropolitan areas.
Again, I'm not endorsing everything they do.
I don't want to live in those countries, but I can certainly recognize hey, their metropolitan areas are in the modern world.
Ours are decaying.
Yeah.
Well, let's get back to Trump for one second.
One of the first things I did when he was nominated was I I went through his entire Twitter feed and I read everything he ever he ever said about the word China.
And holy smokes, has been has he been on that file for a long time.
And there's foreign aid like cutting a check to Israel.
There's foreign aid like having bases in Germany, Japan, Korea, et cetera.
But in it what dwarfs either of those numbers is the trade imbalance through artificially low currency and other trade practices.
Trump has a wisdom to him.
And by the way, he's been worried about Iran's nukes since since the early 2000s.
And I don't think it was the Jews that put him in his head or Israel or Netanyahu.
I think he's genuinely worried about messianic end times uh Islamic sects getting the nukes.
I think he's worried about it.
I mean, you can say he's wrong, but I don't think the Jews incepted that idea in his head.
I I um listen, I really enjoyed I think uh I think that is a Netanyahu Israeli intelligence issue.
I'm not saying that it's pinned down to them.
There's plenty of corrupt intelligence officials all over the world, including in our own CIA.
So that's not just a thing that's exclusive to Israel.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna argue that.
Um, but I do think that again, it gets back to the bottom line here, which is most Americans are done with the Middle East.
I would even argue Obama won in 2008 because he he stood against Bush's wars.
Trump won in 2016 because he stood against the Middle East wars.
Now, these things continue to manifest no matter who wins, but I think the same thing is gonna happen in 2028.
Whatever president candidate comes out against the Middle East wars, and this time it might actually be specifically against Israel, this go around.
But whoever comes out against the wars in the Middle East, I do think that that's who's gonna win the election.
That's how sick of it the American people are, but no matter how many times we vote, it just continues and and our way of life goes down.
Uh Ezra, you know we got a heart out here.
Uh, why don't you make uh conclusive statements?
Anything else you want to point out here?
Sure.
Well, I guess the first thing I'd say we didn't talk a lot about it, but it appears that there may be a peace deal in the Middle East that Trump helped broker.
Let's hope that happens.
And if that happens, I think a lot of the issues that have been stressing the online right out, uh, will recede.
I sure hope so.
I can see that.
I I would agree with that.
I can think that could be true.
It's not all of it, obviously, but I think that for a major a major portion, it'll calm it down.
Well, I mean, when in Trump's last term, the region was quite pacified.
The Abraham Accords were real.
I I guess I'd end on a personal note and say, first of all, I really appreciate you allowing me on your platform.
I'm excited about your entrepreneurial spirit.
I think you're gonna just crush it.
I I can see on the chat, not everyone is uh glad to have me here.
But you know what?
No, not the chat.
Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say I think that's a sign of a spicy conversation.
Sometimes it's just uh everyone violently agreeing with each other.
And you and I had some differences tonight, and you expressed yourself very powerfully.
I might have made a point or two myself, but whatever.
I'm I'm grateful that you had me on.
Just for the record, you are not an anti-Semite.
And and anyone who says so is engaging in cheap name-calling instead of dealing with your points.
I felt, I feel like you could we could wrestle on those points more.
I know we got to go.
But uh one of the reasons I'm against people like Soros and Greenblad and Rabbi Schmooley is because they use their Judaism as a weapon to silence people they disagree with.
And I don't want to do that.
I am an anti-globalist freedom-oriented troublemaker, a little bit like you, Owen.
And that's why I felt comfortable saying, hey, let me on and let's banter a bit.
I really enjoyed tonight.
And I think both both sides made some points.
I I'm grateful to you.
I really enjoyed it too.
I'm glad that you did this.
And you know, all things considered, Ezra Event, the Rebel News, Owen Troyer, Wind Network, we're moving the ball in the same direction.
This, this, this issue, and you know, it kind of gets isolated and becomes its own little arena.
Um, but but Rebel News, Ezra Levant, you guys are moving the ball in the right direction.
And I think it's very important that that we are able to have sound, passionate discussion and debate like this.
Because, you know, and my final comment would be this.
The left is dead, Ezra, right?
I mean, we defeated the left.
I don't know.
Canada, you guys might it's I'm in America, you're in Canada.
It's a little different.
To me, the left in America is dead.
I don't want to hear about the left.
Like, I don't care.
They're just like ants to me.
This is the real conversation.
Now, the giant populist movement on the right.
Now, now we have the stage.
Now we can have our debate.
Now we can try to debate and empower one another.
Iron sharpens iron.
So I think this is a healthy part of the process.
Uh, I hope that it continues, but I think that that's kind of the larger context that I look at it is this isn't like a I mean, it becomes a divisive issue, but it's not like it's not like it's a dividing thing, we're falling apart.
We've just we have now won.
We're now so big.
The populist movement is now so big that yes, of course there's gonna be issues where we disagree.
That's that's a good sign.
That's why the left stuff, like I just I'm sick of hearing about the left.
Okay.
I we've already defeated them in America.
You guys got a little work to do in Canada.
I don't know, maybe we make you the 51st state.
I don't know.
Maybe, maybe, maybe we can figure that out and we'll all be rich and happy in the future.
Um, but I want to give a big shout out to Ezra.
I had a great time.
I'm glad you came on.
Still nothing but love to everybody over there at the Rebel News.
And I think we're all on the same team.
You know, maybe some little differences here, but we're all moving the ball pro humanity, pro freedom, pro-truth.
That's the thrust of what you guys do.
That's the thrust of what I do.
And so we have mutual respect, and I had a great time tonight.
Thank you, my friend.
All the best.
Ezra Levant.
Great, great time.
That was a great debate.
Really enjoyed that.
All right, guys.
We're signing off for tonight.
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