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Sept. 17, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
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Former NYPD Cop Explains How Kirk Assassination Crime Scene Was Tainted 2025-09-17 18:49
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And then it clips to his microphone right here.
Everybody can see that microphone clipped right here.
And then it goes back down to whatever audio source he is getting.
So this is why people think it's body armor.
I think that's totally debunked.
I don't believe there is body armor.
Plus, you can see Charlie walking around before, and you can see there's no body armor.
Um, you know, no, no offense to Charlie, but I mean you can you know, you can see his you can see his chest, you can see his nipples.
Um, so I mean it's like you know, you can tell to me there is no body armor, but that anomaly is just a wire.
So what I see, what I think is the bullet comes in here, hits the earpiece, boom, earpiece goes up, goes up in the shirt like this, and then the microphone goes flailing.
So I only saw one microphone, though those two pieces, I don't know if it's shrapnel or what it is, the two objects in the air that hit that after impact you can kind of see against that one bodyguard shirt.
So you think those are microphones?
Yeah, I think they were one is definitely the microphone, it's a skinny little microphone, and I believe he's um worn that to other events.
The second one you see that was on his other other side of his collar, I think is a road mic.
Now the road mics anyone could have, you need two of them on a cell phone.
Because I I think he used to have the multiple audios.
I mean, if you if you watch his production, it's top notch, it takes a lot of equipment.
So he had two microphones on him, which is what flew up and looks like it's all kinds of stuff going on.
But that's why the guy behind them jumps because he got hit with the microphone.
That that's what essentially happened with when that you know, when uh when the microphone went up, so both mics came off of him, and that's what looks like it's some kind of round.
I don't want I know people are discussing that, so there's a little confusion with that, but thing people don't realize is there's two microphones, it's a little one, and I think a road microphones, it's it's uh uh square.
So that part with the shrapnel, uh you know, because we're trying people are trying to figure out where this bullet came from, which is a whole nother subject.
Because first, we we know there's a complete failure in the aftermath of this uh crime scene.
Secondary we'll get back into that.
But since we're on this, there's clearly three anomalies, right?
There's clearly three anomalies.
There's an object that you can see before impact that appears to be behind Charlie to his right.
Okay.
Again, let's let's say we're not reaching any conclusions, but these things can be seen on camera.
There is clearly an object, it appears to be behind Charlie to his right immediately before impact, and then it's it's it then it the object disappears, and then there's impact.
And then immediately after impact, there's the two objects that you can see that appear to go flying, or it's or you know, people were convinced it was shrapnel from body armor or whatever.
I'm convinced there is no body armor.
I'd say that's a fact.
Um, but so you're you're saying you believe because this is how it works so that people understand when you got a bunch of different cameras, you might have to have multiple audio sources.
So he might have to have one microphone going to this camera over here that might be an isolated recording, and then he's got this microphone over here that might be going to his live stream audience that's going out, and then he's got his handheld microphone that's feeding into the system speakers so that everybody can hear him at the event.
So that's why he would have multiple microphones if people are saying this doesn't make sense.
It it actually does when you're doing a big event like this, to it, it does sometimes you have to have multiple mics.
Yep, or the that huge battery pack sometimes you have on uh that they put on you.
So the battery, and again, you need a wire.
I I from what I could see, I don't I don't think he had um any kind of body armor.
And I'm talking about there's state of the art kind of body armor, which is almost I'd say paper thin, but you would kind of see an outline of it.
I I didn't from what I saw, and then I didn't ever um suspect that there was body armor, but there are there's a few anomalies without people getting into the conspiratorial part of it.
So, first would be the crime scene is the most one of the two most daring things.
So let's get back to that.
To me, this is like the most utter failure right out of the gates.
Yep.
Is that and so maybe I mean I could even, you know, let's just consider all possibilities.
Obviously, you know, this happens, and there's there's your moment of shock, you know, there's your moment of shock and horror that this is happening, but you know, a trained police officer, your training kicks in, right?
I mean, your training kicks in even after the moment of shock, eventually your training kicks in, and you're hey, clear the scene, clear the scene, lock down the scene.
But immediately after people running all over, breaking things down.
Uh so yeah, again, just really highlight how much of a disaster the handling of the crime scene was.
I mean, not just immediately after.
Now they've literally built over it.
Shit.
Now it's like, oh, well, people said, oh, well, it's over, you know, they cleared out the crime scene and they they paved over it, I believe.
So the first thing you do when you're trained is you're gonna you're gonna take cover as a cop, you're gonna take cover and and scan for your threat.
So that threat was never isolated.
We don't know where to nobody knows anything about what happened there.
So when you see a couple of guys dive underneath the table, that's what they they train you to do.
So they they took cover and then you cover and scan for your threat, which is what you saw.
When you realize though, what's going on, and they have to take him directly to the hospital ASAP.
You have to then, whoever, whichever one of you someone needs to stay behind and realize this is a crime scene, and we have to guard this as if we're guarding uh a hospitalized uh victim or hospitalized prisoner.
So one or two, if there's two cops, one goes with with with Charlie, the other one has to you have to stay there and guard that crime scene.
Clearly, you have a major crime here, and there's no one left behind, or if they were left behind, they were being lackadaisical because someone has to set up the perimeter and start telling people go away, get out the exit, and while you're doing that during the chaos, no one's allowed to walk in.
If you notice five, 10 minutes after, though, there's video of people just strolling right in and taking things and playing around as a camera that was directly behind Charlie.
Somebody takes this down.
I don't even know who this person is.
Because clearly there was never a crime scene established.
Because another thing, Owen, when people come into a crime scene and you're there, you have to say, Oh, hey, uh, my name is such and such.
I'm from where who are you?
And you have to write this down and document who's in this crime scene, where they're from, what agency they represent.
So none of this was going on.
And that's why we don't know anything, because it was complete bedlam and everyone just did whatever they wanted.
Well, and I don't even look, I'm not even trying to get conspiratorial here.
Uh, this is just like basic, let's let's try to understand what's happening here.
And that's why I want to have Sal Greco on with me here, former New York police officer talking about the crime scene, and we can get into some other stuff as well.
Um, this is this is kind of a theory, let's say, that I would have.
I'm not I'm not real necessarily convinced of anything, um, but maybe you can enlighten me on if I'm heading in the right direction or not.
If the if if the wound that we see in his neck is an exit wound, which I believe it is, I don't know if you do or not, you can you can comment on that.
But if if that is, when the bullet comes out, because we don't know anything about the bullet other than what we're told.
We haven't seen the bullet.
I mean, we really don't, you know, they're just claiming it, but we don't really know.
Would the bullet be right there, like right there near the body after it exits, would it have falled right there, or would it have continued to go into the crowd?
Because we don't have any other news of anybody else getting struck.
We don't have any uh any evidence that anything else around him was struck, any of the objects, the barriers, the fencing was struck.
So I'm assuming it might have just come out and fallen right there on the ground.
I think there's even a video where it looks like that.
Now they're not releasing any of the HD video, which is strange enough.
That camera that they broke down immediately after the shooting is now the most important video footage that we can have, and they're not showing it to us.
Where would the bullet have ended up?
Either way, if if the if this is the entry or the exit wound, where does that bullet end up?
Because this is a major part of the crime scene, maybe the most important.
Yep, and this is why you have to have people on a crime scene, because the the larger the perimeter, the more they could look into where they're gonna do all of that, by the way.
They come in and they set up an investment, they set up the point, they could do all of this by going there.
Now, if it is behind them, like you're saying, which I don't know the angle because I see a tent.
I think it'd be very difficult for anyone to pull that off from the back, unless there's an angle when I'm not seeing, because it would have to be from behind him to his almost right, left, right to left.
If that bullet came from that way, so you're saying if it came from behind, then that bullet would have went towards the crowd, and then it would have landed, and there were guardrails there.
There were also um, you know, there's equipment.
It could be anywhere.
Of course, we'll never know because they completely botched the crime scene.
But it would be there, right?
I mean, it does it's not like it because I I mean I think it doesn't disappear.
That's I can tell you.
That's just that.
yeah, it's not the magic bullet.
No, but if it if it was stuck, if it was somehow stuck in him or parts of it stuck in him, I think they would have told us that.
Again, there's one video that I see, and and again, the there is a there is an HD camera right there that would give us this answer.
It wasn't a live camera, it was a recording camera that would give us this answer.
But the best, it does look like from one, and again, this is just me.
I guess you could say conspiracy theorizing, uh, it's just what I see.
It does look like something comes out of there that's not blood.
Uh not with as not with enough velocity to go flying too far, but it looks like it comes out and it probably just rolls right there next to um where he was sitting.
Now, we don't have any answers on this.
Now, I kind of had the original instincts that you had, which was because of the tent, it would make the angle really tough for any of the shots.
But I looked a little deeper into it, and and the videos are a little the video angles, I think are a little deceiving.
There's actually a lot more headroom than it looks like, so you actually can kind of have a little bit of a raised angle, I think a little higher than you might suspect.
Not enough to be on the roof.
Again, this is from my just looking at analysis, not enough for it to be on the roof.
I think once you get to the roof from that back angle, I think that the tent does get in the way.
But if you're in that crowd or in kind of that weird little space where there there's where there's that muzzle flat or what appears to be a muzzle flash, I don't know if you've seen that or not.
Yeah, I've seen that yeah, I was watching that actually would be able to get under the tent.
See, the other thing too is if there was a tent, right?
Did the round go through the tent?
Because if it went either through him through the front or the back, there might be a hole in the tent of where this trajectory of this round went.
I don't see any evidence of that.
I don't see because they all came in and started touching it.
But don't you think though, if a bullet ripped through the tent, I mean, that would make the tent move.
I've not seen the tent move because I've looked at the angles to see if there's any movement in the tent, and it never moved.
Now, I could be wrong.
I guess the bullet could just go right through it and not move it, but I haven't seen any evidence that the tent gets hit.
Yeah, I love don't you love speculation?
But no, the the tent, the tent itself looks pretty sturdy.
So to say, I mean, it would take a whole lot of rounds to you know, make make that thing move.
It might if this thing is is is sleek, I don't know the caliber round it was that they're saying it is, but it it would go right through it.
They're saying 30 odd six, 30 odd six.
So still it would make if it came, let's say it did come from behind and it was behind the tent, then you would see that that would be some shot, a got a blind shot into nowhere.
But it it it would you would see a trajectory.
That's the other thing to trajectory of this round.
Where is this round coming from?
Because even the acoustics and people on the ground, well, they weren't letting anyone like you told me, no one was allowed to speak after this.
Someone somewhere would have heard the through your ear where this thing came from.
Yeah, is anyone speaking about that?
Because that would give you a money about that.
Because so, okay, to expand on that, if the shooter, if it comes from the roof, like the official story, people in the crowd would have heard the they would have heard that breaking through the atmosphere.
Yes, someone somewhere it's gonna be close, so you would hear the sh come by you.
That's undeniable.
I mean, I've heard bullets whizzed by me.
You know, here's what's so strange about it.
And of course, you never can see everything, but the I the only times I saw people actually trying to speak after shooting, they were getting shut down.
They were literally getting told to shut up and stop speaking.
They had the mic ripped out of their hand, and so I'm seeing that.
I'm saying, well, what the hell is going on?
So it's like, how do we who's who's interviewing all of these witnesses?
Who's who's asking all of these questions?
It doesn't seem that anybody, it doesn't seem anybody is asking these questions, and and again, it goes back to just basic procedural stuff, and that's why I think your opinion on this as a former police officer is so important.
This is just basic procedure stuff, right?
I mean, we're not even talking About going to extremes here.
We're talking about basic procedure, lock down the crime scene, interview witnesses, try to get a better picture of what everybody saw, and then relate it to the crime scene.
And you got none of it.
No, none of that.
The first I tell you, the me first, everything in policing is the first responder, which is the first cop on scene, boots on the ground.
He's got to make he or she has to do all these procedures to make sure everything goes smooth.
They look like, uh, what's that's a little nuance.
It's very big because these things, these steps that I'm telling you, we're not taken.
I could see it just from what the aftermath were not taken.
You need to set up the perimeter.
You need to check who's coming in and out of that tent.
We need names.
You need to know all this.
So if this guy who took the camera down, worked for TPOSA, or he's a federal agent, whatever it is, you have to write his name down.
We need to know who's going in there contaminating stuff because they're gonna look for DNA as well, because there's gonna be DNA, right?
So there's that failure, and then who you interrogate.
First people that come to mind, the guy that asked that question about transgender, it seemed very convenient that that happened.
He seemed to be very close to that.
I'd ask him, find out what what his deal was.
The next, you know, another group of people I would definitely want to question would be his own security.
I don't know, he had about six people, they say, and there's like a six-man security team.
How that even happened and was broken down is a complete failure.
Now, I understand they say Charlie liked to um have like his events open and doesn't want like all this kind of stuff, but the security team is in charge of the we'll say the principal, because even though they work for him, they need to listen to him when they say, okay, this is not safe.
I don't think an event with 3,000 people and only six security agents, that's not even a that's a safety hazard, number one.
Number two, why aren't they scanning the rooftops?
And I mean, we did see drones.
Right there.
Let's pause it right there.
Um, and and let's get to the rooftop situation in a second, because I kind of want to go through my personal experience here because you know, I've I've been the principal before, obviously, as well.
Um, I've done events like this with advanced security, and so I know kind of that dynamic between here's how I want it to go, and then my security saying, Well, here's what here's what we need it to go, and then you kind of have to find that happy medium.
Now, I don't know, you know, I don't know where Charlie landed as far as if he was gonna have final say or if he was gonna let security have final say.
Um, normally for me, I would let security have final say because you know they're gonna be convincing and they're gonna say, hey, look, here's the risk factor of this if you if you want to do it this way uh versus our way.
And for me, it was normally like, yeah, okay, your your way is better.
Um, so again, I I can't say where Charlie leaned on that, but obviously he had extremely um I mean, he obviously had top-level security, and they were, and I'm sure that they were having these discussions.
Okay, so now you get to the roof aspect, which to me is like, and again, this is why the camera behind him is so important because it should have that shot of the guy.
I mean, that should be it, really, Sal.
I mean, to me, this is kind of no pun intended, but to me, that's the smoking gun.
The fact that we haven't seen that camera angle is the smoking gun, because that would be open and shut.
You can literally see the guy line up the shot, take the shot, muzzle flash, hit Charlie.
I mean, that would be case close.
And the fact that they haven't showed us that uh has me extremely concerned.
Plus, it would show it would prove that this would be the entry and that would be the exit, which to me, if the exit is in the back of his head, and again, I don't know because different things could happen when they're carrying out, but I don't see blood pouring out of an exit wound in in his back.
I just simply don't see it.
It could there could be an explanation for that.
I just don't see it.
So getting back to the roof, and I and I asked you this earlier.
So you've got security eyes there, police officer eyes there, at least two thousand attendees eyes there.
Nobody, you're telling me nobody saw this guy on the roof setting up a sniper's nest.
I just find that hard to believe.
Yeah, the only video I think one of the initial videos I saw was somebody saw somebody running on the rooftop and said, Is that what's going on with that?
That was the only person I could think of I've seen that said anything about oh, there's Someone on that roof, like, wait a minute.
Because and if you there's another shot they show of when Charlie's speaking, one of those zoom shots, and I could have sworn I see two other guys behind them.
Now I don't know if that's a roof or the or is that a walkway on top.
I think those are hands.
I think I know the one where it where people to me, I think that's somebody's hands is what I think.
I if we're talking about the same video where it looks like there's two guys on a roof, yes.
Because I think that's just somebody's hands in the air.
That would be uh absolute failure by the security, and you know, you know, because you've been a principal, so on a very high target, very you know, well known figure like Charlie Kerr, when you go into an event like this, your security team itself would have its own drone.
The reason you have your drone is you're gonna scan the crowd and the roofs if you can't do it visually, because you maybe not a police department, but be that as it may.
We did see drones in footage.
Uh uh, a friend of ours, Jason Goodman, you know, crowdsourced the truth.
He he was one of the first to spot this, and he's been hammering this point home.
There's multiple shots of a drone, it's not a bug, it's a drone.
How do you know drones?
Yeah, it's definitely not a bug or a bird.
It's moving way too fast.
Um, I would say uh I would say I'm not con I I don't know what it is.
There's something there.
I I can't say for sure what it is.
Um, but to expand on your point too, you know, again, the team the security team would do an advanced detail, right?
I mean, they're there doing an advanced detail, so they know the danger spots, they know what what um you know where to look and what what not to um or what to look for, rather.
So again, I just go back to how how how was this guy able to set up on the roof and get away with this?
It's almost like the butler situation.
Yeah, the drone the drone deal is weird too because you know, all this stuff is is so highly regulated that it's hard to fly a drone without there being some sort of a digital record or or a data footprint, but nobody can find that information.
Nope.
And I you could clearly see that there's something that zigzags, and it's not a bug, it zigzags and it gives you the same characteristics of a drone.
Now his team should or would have had a drone if they can't physically be somewhere on the roof, they would be able to see it because it some one of the guys would be manning that at all times, and if they see anything, you would see them race in and grab him or get in front of him or put him on the ground and say we gotta go.
That never happened either.
So I would question the entire security team because that was again a failure on their part for not recognizing any of this.
Unfortunately, they say, you know, the police department gets blamed for everything, right?
So when something happens, there was an accident, somebody got killed.
Oh, the cops should have done this, they should have done that in this instance.
They were on the ground, they were there.
Their job is really simple to protect the to protect their principal.
And how do you not see this guy on the on the roof?
And you there is footage of someone running around up there.
So how you know that's how they that's that was like their first tip.
Was that first tip?
Yeah, of the video of the guy on the roof running.
That's that's ultimately what led them to arrest the suspect they have now.
Is is that video, and that's see, it's the same kind of thing, like in Butler Butler.
I think was even worse, only because it involves a secret service and the police.
Well, obviously, yeah, right, right.
This this one's just but you know what, and here was but see to get back to the butler comparisons.
Guess what?
Everybody saw the guy on the roof.
Yeah, remember?
We have the video roof, guy on the roof, guy on the roof.
So it's like people saw him on the roof.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like two thousand, however, many people walking around, nobody saw this guy setting up a sniper's nest.
Nobody, nobody.
I mean, and and sometimes you can't teach instinct.
You're a cop, you're told there's someone up there.
I know you're supposed to give way to Secret Service.
Sometimes you just got to take an initiative.
And I I saw the video of the guys actually doing that when they finally did do that.
But initially, when they say there's all these commotion of him running around, you got to run to that, okay.
Uh, what is going on there?
So you have to take initiative, and that's that's what I'm saying.
It is security guys, maybe they lack a daisical.
I don't know them, but I know seeing this, you have a failure in the police department, and there's no the crime scene's a complete catastrophe, and everyone contaminated that scene.
And then initially, security, even cops on the ground.
How do you not see this guy?
Um, I'm first thing you're looking for is you're always scanning up.
You're gonna have guys that are gonna scan the crowd, guys that are scanning upwards.
Obviously, nobody was scanning upwards because if this bullet came from up top, which these kind of events you always have to worry about purchase.
There's gonna be somebody up, just like every assassin's always hanging out on a building rooftop.
Well, this is actually such a great point, too, because okay, campus security there knows they have a big event, so they're gonna have heightened, they're gonna have heightened awareness.
They've got the cameras everywhere, which by the way, to me, this is like again, not even to get conspiratorial, but it's like, where is all the footage?
Where is all the footage?
Where's the footage of him getting up on the roof?
He didn't he didn't teleport onto the roof, okay?
And Cash Patel today said, Oh, we saw him climb on the roof.
Well, let's see the footage.
So here's so here's an obvious question.
Campus security has security footage.
They know there's a big event there that day.
Somebody should have been monitoring these security feeds.
As soon as that guy went onto the roof, somebody should have been over there investigating.
So it's like, how does I mean, I guess you could say the guy monitoring the security cameras looked away to grab a coffee?
I I don't know.
I mean, okay, I suppose it's plausible at some degree, but it's just like once you get to all these different degrees of plausibility, eventually it almost reaches an unbelievable uh number of impossibilities happening here.
Yeah, because what you're doing now is every single you're checking off all these things that could go wrong, and they all went wrong, and it just what is the give me uh a plausible you know, number saying that that's that's probable that could happen, that could happen, that could happen.
So, campus, right?
You say campus security.
I think they said they only had one or two people working.
You have an event where 3,000 people are expected to show up.
You're only gonna have two or three campus security.
You wouldn't think about calling in people saying, Yeah, we're gonna have overtime or whatever, we're gonna need 10, 15 of our best guys out there because you know, there's 3,000 people that could overrun us or take over the school.
Nobody thinks like that.
That's how I think.
You're gonna need the highest number of security guards, whatever you could get, just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
The reason this really happened is it's an absolute failure on all run all angles because you're not enough boots on the ground, people being lackadaisical, and in the end, the cops, the most simplest thing to do to set up a perimeter, fail to do so.
So the evidence is completely contaminated on the scene.
So now you're going on whatever this kid's this kid's on Discord, whatever, because you don't have the lack of evidence that you would have because you failed to produce you didn't even set up a uh the most simplest thing, which is the crime scene.
Oh, and it's the easiest thing to do when you're on the ground, and they didn't even do that.
They never even did it, and now they've literally like built a new concrete lift with new grass.
I mean, they did that in less than a week.
How long how long would a crime scene typically be up like that?
Um, for a major shooting like this.
How long would a crime scene usually be um blocked off?
Uh I've seen crime scenes that last uh a week.
It could be a couple of days.
It really depends if they have everything they need out of that crime scene.
The problem is oh, when they contaminated it, so what can you really get out of it?
Yeah, you know, you just well, they got nothing.
They don't have anything.
I don't even think they found the round if the round exists.
That round that told us anything about the round.
Um they were supposed the the hearing, I don't know.
I left it because nothing was getting done.
I'd said, I'm gonna interview you instead.
You'll give us more information than this hearing.
I was hoping somebody would bring these questions up, and nobody did.
Yeah, they they're going for the the easy the gotcha moment uh you know they they're going for word salads because they're not investigators, none of those congressmen, you know, a lot of them they've been there for a hundred years, uh you know, they've and they shouldn't even be there, they're there 50 years already.
You these are the questions that matter is the crime scene.
Why didn't that what happened with that?
Why would there's no perimeter?
Why was everyone allowed to walk in and out and do what they want?
Who are these people that just take things down?
You got to have names, names to faces.
That's the most important thing.
Who are these people walking in and out?
Was there is this was there an exit of a of a round?
Was it the tent?
Is there a hole in the tent?
Is this bullet?
Do we have it?
The actual bullet that killed Charlie Kirk.
Where is it?
Do they have it?
What happened with this?
Was there a bullet?
Did anybody hit in the crowd?
Did the interview people from the crowd?
Did you interview the security?
Where clearly there's a lapse in it.
What's this drone footage we're seeing?
These are easy questions without going into conspiracies of who or what was behind it.
But they're not gonna ask that.
This is just this is a dog and pony show today.
Yeah.
No, the whole thing is starting to feel that way.
Um, let me play you this video of why I've landed on the conclusion, and then maybe you can um tell me where you think the uh second microphone is.
Um, because I I just don't know.
I'm wondering if you can point it out to me.
Um, so I want to show this video here, real quickly of why I believe um the conclusion I've reached is earpiece wire.
Okay, so just quickly, uh, you can see there's something right here, right?
I mean, I think we can all agree that this is a this is a an object pattern right here.
And to me, this is the microphone clipped onto the earpiece.
Now you'll understand what I'm saying about the earpiece here in a second.
Um, watch closely here.
Okay.
Did you see this?
Yes.
Sorry for the graphic nature of the video, folks.
It is what it is.
This to me is his earpiece.
Um the moment of contact.
Let me let me play this again real quick.
These this is a short video, so these frames are kind of uh tight on the scale here.
Okay, so okay, here's the first instance, earpiece is out.
So here's contact.
Earpiece comes out.
This is the actual, I think what was in his ear, and you'll see this go flying in a second here.
Okay, so earpiece comes out.
Um, and somewhere, somewhere in this process, obviously the um the microphone goes flying.
Yes, and there's a secondary thing on that where where the round went.
I think that's the road mic or whatever, the other mic that was that on his person.
That would it might be under his shirt.
Okay, because you know you need two mics to try to make it more well, maybe somewhere, maybe somewhere under his collar.
I don't know.
But here's to me, this is what I'm convinced of.
Uh, this microphone right here, because this is a common this is a common thing um when you're doing interviews like this to have your wires under control, your mics under control.
So earpiece in here, wire goes around the ear, around the back of his neck, and then pops up right here and comes over here.
He has it clipped to his mic, and then it goes down here, feeding into whatever the source of the audio is.
And to me, that's why when the earpiece gets shot out, that wire pulls it up and then flings this, the microphone in this direction.
So that's why I believe that the body armor theory is completely debunked because this is a wire to this earpiece, and once that earpiece gets yanked by what I believe is the entry, uh, again, this is my theory.
I believe it enters here, flings the earpiece, sends the wire up, and sends the microphone flying.
I'll play this one more time, Sal, as you comment.
Yeah, I can see that.
It definitely looks like um I I saw that I I thought that was the actual microphone flying out, but since you mentioned it, that would be the earpiece, there'd be a wire.
The wires on the other side, which is what pulls the shirt, and clearly there's no um, there is no body armor.
You could, I mean, no way.
You want to put this over body armor anyway, because you can't even you would see it.
It would stick out like a sore thumb.
That clearly is the is the wires coming out from the back, which was attached to an earpiece, and then the microphone goes out.
I thought there was another microphone here because I saw something, but that could have been the the wire itself.
I think that that might be a that might be an earpiece clip, is what that could be.
That could be an earpiece clip that he had clipped to his shirt um just to secure it, maybe.
Yeah, but there's definitely here is a wire or another mic here, and the one you clearly see was the one that went flying.
And of course, if the earpiece was there, that was what came off because it that's what the speculation is of his shrapnel, and and that's it's it's that.
That's what people keep seeing.
Of course, there's other footage that no one uh, you know, you're not allowed to look at, you're not allowed to know about footage.
We don't get the HD footage.
Because by the way, all of the they have, I mean, I counted at least three HD cameras that were filming this.
So we're talking about pure HD, uh, probably 4K cameras that were filming this from every angle that his team has that nobody's seen.
So unfortunately, we have to kind of go off of these live stream videos.
We have to go after these other videos that have been compressed over and over and over again as people are re-downloading it, re-uploading it.
So unfortunately, this is um, you know, this is the best we can do.
And and the reason you need that is it's it's not because people want to glorify what what's going on.
In the absence of facts and evidence, what other people supposed to do?
Because I know that if you could see the angle of what Charlie was looking at, you're gonna see very clearly what's going on in the front.
Meaning you're gonna see who the real well, you know, people don't trust or believe the government.
I think that's the real problem here.
Yeah, no one trusts the government.
So when they tell you, oh, I think it's this guy, you're going.
I could go back eight years ago, and I still don't know what happened that day in Vegas with that massacre.
We still, I mean, it's still questions with that.
So why wouldn't there be questions with this?
And again, another another situation, a guy perched up somewhere shooting down.
So again, there's always these failures going on.
So a camera like that, we're not doing we're nobody's wanting to look at it to see you know what happened to Charlie.
It's very unfortunate.
It's to see the crime occur.
And we've always been told one thing, and we find out, you know, like I think Roger, a friend Roger Stone said it best put up a graphic right away, said Patsy, and he saw this guy, and he put a picture of him uh side by side with Lee Harvey Oswald.
And that's the beginning.
It's crazy.
That's the kind of stuff where I'm just like, what am I?
What is this world of what is this simulation?
Is this all like you see that stuff and the similarities?
What are the odds of it?
It's almost impossible.
But I don't know, you can't really draw much from that.
The playbook, you whoever it was uh, we know if it's this.
I mean, and then the other thing is I'm looking at this kid, I'm like, he perfectly wrote to his transgender, whatever the guy is that he's with personally.
I don't believe that note.
The questions the his own the guy, whatever boyfriend, whatever that you know, person is asking him is what you would be asking in an interrogation.
I've never seen a guy drop anything.
If if we go back, uh, all these crazy people have done these things.
Never have I seen them texting someone and that other someone asking them exactly what did they do step by step, and the other person answers them.
Yeah, I mean, uh yeah.
Well, think about the crowd, he has the time to answer him.
Oh, yeah, I'm waiting, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
You don't think he'd be afraid that they're gonna come and get him and arrest him or apparently you know, he was afraid of getting grounded by dad because he took Grandpa's gun.
So he's afraid of getting grounded by dad.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, all the loose ends tied up perfectly.
And you know, I think the the most innocent explanations to me are one um, you know, whatever the whatever the partner, whatever this relationship is, this this partner who apparently he's texting with, you know, maybe this person gave them that to cover their own tracks.
Okay, you know, maybe so maybe that was something that they put together to try to cover up something else, or maybe it's something that the FBI kind of fabricated to tie up their own loose ends and to try to get people to stop asking questions.
Yeah, they they love that they hate when you ask questions.
They want you to stick with they love official narratives, they are very much like I've been saying, I say every day on my show, perception management and controlling the narrative.
That's what these governmental agencies love more than anything else.
Unfortunately, it's infected the Trump administration itself.
They love controlling that narrative because if you can't control a narrative, people are gonna ask questions, and you're gonna get to the truth.
And they they like to shield the truth for whatever reason, and the people are just tired of it, which is why we have what we have here, because there's more questions than answers.
All we could kind of do is speculate, but I could tell you from experience the glaring thing was the crime scene was a disaster.
The security team allowing this, and the fact that I see drones and the drones would be Very big because even as a security team, you would have drones up to scan the rooftops if you don't have the manpower for it.
Then there's all these other little you know nuances that we could add on that nothing adds up.
And again, this official narrative is people are not buying it.
And that's why people like Roger have that graphic up that say Patsy.
And people are going to be questioning this for a long time.
Yeah, I mean, the only conclusions that I feel confident reaching is that Charlie was shot directly in the neck uh from the front or the back.
I I can't say for certain.
Um I'm I'm of the belief that it's from the back, but I'm not con I I won't say 100%.
I'm 100%, though, it was directly in the neck, 100% there was no bulletproof vest, and 100% that we're not getting the full story by design.
Um and and let me just ask you this.
And if you want to say this is from your own expert opinion, um from being on crime scenes or the scenes of shootings, or if you want to say, well, I may not have the best expert, but here's what I think.
Do you believe that this looks like an entry or an exit wound?
I'm not like the greatest expert when it comes to this stuff, but from that initial hit that I'm seeing, it looks like it's from the front, only because your body tenses up.
Kind of like when you notice JFK, same thing.
You're your body always reacts to you know, whatever.
If you get hit in the front, hitting the back, you'd see your body move a different way.
You know, his initial hit is that his body jumps, but it jumps backwards because you get hit from the front.
Let me push back on that a little bit, because I think I think the reason, again, this is just where this is where my you know where my thoughts are going.
I think I think he got hit in the neck, and it either hit his brain or spinal cord, and that's why he went stiff.
I think I think I think the initial reaction of this was because it hit brain or spinal cord, and you know, when you when you have an injury like that, the first thing that happens is your body just you know tenses up and becomes paralyzed.
So um that's kind of how I I kind of reasoned and and logiced my way around that response um of how I've landed on my conclusion.
But you think from from your analysis, you do you believe that it did come from the front?
Yeah, if I'm without knowing anything yet, they haven't they haven't said anything aware or how this happened.
I would heavily bet that it came from the front only because of the way his body reacts as it tenses up uh backwards and then rocks forwards and then sideways.
So it's the same thing when you watch um the JFK when you notice that uh you know they've done a thousand, you know, you watch it over and over again where that round came from first.
Because you remember they're telling you it was a guy perched up on the Texas uh uh school book depository when it looks like could have been a guy right in the front, right on the side, and his body the way reacts tells you that it could be that way.
So that's why I would lean to say it was um something that was hit from the front, and that's why you tensed up.
But you know, until we don't even have the real footage yet.
So, you know, because they're hiding that.
So right, and that's the thing.
We're we're discussing this.
Uh, you know, I think we're all open-minded discussing this, um, and trying to make sense of it all.
And they could release all the HD footage and give us a much clearer picture.
Now, I anticipate I, you know, you can even think the worst of the FBI with all of this, but eventually they're gonna have to come out and do a layout of everything.
I mean, eventually they're gonna have to come out and present their final conclusions and they're gonna have to show the trajectory, they're gonna have to show the exact spot, the exact trajectory.
I mean, they're gonna have to come out and lay it all out, um, as as we've seen so many times before, like we saw with the butler shooting.
So, you know, that'll that'll be another moment for us to kind of okay, respond to here here's what they're saying now.
Um, but I'll tell you, I I agree with what you've said.
I don't think it matters, even if they're telling the truth, trust in government is so low, and uh, and even with this administration, trust is so low.
I don't think even if they were being completely honest, I don't think people are gonna believe it.
That that's the world we're in now.
That's a that's the problem.
Even if I mean I I expect the FBI gonna have to, we've Never even saw with the with the Butler incident a 3D mapping of everything and how because you got to find out how this even happened, really.
Other than it's apparent it's a lapse in security and a failure in the police department, even have a crime scene conducted, and there's drones in the area, we just don't know who's flying them.
So, you know, you have all these things, and the trust in the government is low.
It's even lower than that.
I think a lot of people are hate to use the word disappointed in the Trump administration.
We like, you know, there's a lot of like, wait a minute, what's going on there?
I didn't like you know, we you didn't expect this coming out of the Trump initially, but you know, now you people want answers.
And I I hate to even say this.
I I see, you know, I I from what we could tell, I would think that Trump and and Charlie were um very close.
I mean, you know, Charlie's family says that, but his reaction to this is uh is I would expect the JD Vance reaction to be Trump's reaction, but he's do you want my take on the reactions?
This is gonna get a little controversial.
This is gonna anger some people, yeah.
Um first of all, the Trump response has been extremely disheartening.
And um, you know, I've just decided to just kind of leave Trump out of this equation.
Um, because I'm just over the whole Trump gravity thing.
My my my mind and the things that I think and the conclusions I reach don't don't Trump has no poll on them anymore.
Um, so it really doesn't even weigh into any of this for me anymore.
Um, but for Trump to post a picture with Charlie with an Israeli flag behind it, that was one of the most uh that was one of the most offensive things I've seen.
And I don't even think it was meant to be that way.
Maybe it was just a bad decision he made.
Then he's in front of the White House, I believe, and they and uh and a member of the press asks him a question, and he starts talking about the construction at the at the ballroom.
And there's like, oh, what about your friend Charlie Kirk?
And he says, We're doing great, look at the construction, we're building the grand ballroom.
And I'm like, dude, what they just asked you about your friend Charlie Kirk.
What are you talking about a ballroom construction for?
So that was really strange.
Um, you know, the Vance thing was um, you know, I think it was it was more just kind of procedural, just like, hey, let's let's you know, have JD come on here, and he had a good relationship with Charlie, and he can say some nice things about him.
Um, I didn't think too much of that.
I but I'll say this.
I'll say this, because I've been monitoring, let's say, the um media response very, very closely.
Uh very closely.
I've been watching this.
And you know, I think you kind of have to you kind of have to have a little time and space to let everybody just get get this first thing out of the way.
But to me, for example, when I saw what happened on Charlie Kirk's show when the Daily Wire took it over, okay, and I let's just say uh let's just say I compare that to maybe Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, and and Candace Owens, who are getting a lot of scrutiny, and this is just my opinion.
I know this, you know, people are gonna get pissed off, whatever.
I you know what, I just got to tell the truth, and people can think whatever they want.
To me, specifically the response from Candace, but to me, the people that are getting the most scrutiny, Candace, Carlson, and Kelly.
To me, they are the ones that seem to be actually grieving this.
They are the ones that seem to be really more emotionally disturbed and upset about this.
When I looked at uh, you know, Shapiro and them on the Kirk show, they didn't seem as disturbed.
They didn't seem to be, it didn't seem to hit them as much emotionally.
It all seemed to be very transactional to them.
It all seemed like very transactional to them.
Like, here's a series of transactions, and now we're sitting here in these chairs.
Whereas with with Candace and Tucker and Kelly agree or disagree with what they're saying, they seem to actually be really emotionally impacted.
Uh, that's just that's just my takeaway.
That's that's how I kind of felt about it.
Yeah, I think that well, people that are closer to him are obviously gonna be, you know, taking it harder, but other people might see it as an opportunity.
And I would think that uh Ben Shapiro sees an opportunity right now that there's uh there's a void as a leading voice, and here he comes because now he could be the unabashed leader himself with no, you know, because uh you know whether whether people agreed with it or not, I think Charlie was probably the leading voice when it comes to the entire like conservative movement.
He's 31, he had the brightest future coming, very smart.
I think if he wanted to run for office down the road, he could have.
He had a major, you know, organization, the sky's the limit for him.
Without that voice now, who would fill this void?
Yeah.
Well, and and I think too, you know, obviously, people are talking about the aspect of the Israeli lobby and the donors that that maybe didn't like the direction Charlie was going on some of the geopolitical issues.
And I don't even really think that's up for debate, right?
I think that that's pretty much concluded.
Now, how you feel about you know the different sides of it may determine uh how you feel about the shooting.
But to me, even if you don't believe there was some foreign entity or something else going on here, and you believe it was a left-wing uh assassination, which which I'm I'm still open-minded to believe.
In fact, I would say last night I would still say that was the odds on favorite that it was a left-wing assassin.
Now I'm like split because what I see, what the response from the from the donor class and the response from the pro-Israel side of this uh has been, you know, doth protest too much.
Doth protests too much, but but even if even if it was just a left-wing assassin, which I still say is a fair possibility, or maybe the odds on favorite, you can see that they were ready to move in and take the reins of the conservative youth and push them back into the Israeli lobby's arms where they're clearly trying to escape.
And maybe Kirk was too.
Yeah, see, you gotta look at a crime like this as who has the motives to do it, or who would be the strings, you know, pulling everything behind the scenes.
And there could be many avenues that you could go with.
I mean, I've I saw the bizarre, I don't know why Netanyahu goes on national TV to say Israel didn't.
I'm at I don't know what the hell that was.
Even if you let's say the the wild, like you weren't even thinking about that conspiracy.
Why would he want to interject himself into something like this?
You're the leader of a country.
You know, you should say, I knew Charlie, it was a horrible thing.
My heart goes out to his family, and he'd be devastated about it.
But to say, well, Israel didn't kill him.
What who the hell said anything about that?
You're the guy that just opened that door saying, because you're the dude, you're running in the country and you say that.
So there's an angle that you didn't expect coming, but I don't know if this is like to try to uh you know veer eyeballs away from who it really could be, because you never know.
But the reason we're having this again, this entire discussion is because nobody trusts the government and the official narrative, no matter what it's going to be, no one is going to trust it.
No one, because they've lied so many times.
And it's funny.
This happened a day prior to probably one of the biggest things that ever happened in American Soil, 9-11, right?
So it all it all jammed into one big circle.
One big thing we're saying to ourselves, wow, it's like one conspiracy central here of all these entities and the what ifs and the who's and it's almost like these people are taunting the American people.
It does feel that way.
I I think that that is an undeniable feeling a lot of people have.
And by the way, you know, uh, for what it's worth, this was the first trip on college.
This was the first trip on Charlie's college campus tour.
Is that a coincidence?
That seems kind of like a an interesting thing to uh consider as well.
But yeah, I could see it being as innocent of I could see it being as innocent as you know, Netanyahu and in the Israeli lobby saying, hey, we're losing a lot of support in the youth, we're losing a lot of support on the right.
Let's use this moment of Charlie Kirk's death to kind of come in here and maybe win some of that support back, as you know, tasteless as that might be, whatever.
Okay, I could see that being innocent enough.
But now it's just reached a point of hey, Doth protests too much.
You know, eventually when a guy's running around the crime scene, this is the been the saying I've been saying.
If I've got some guy running around the crime scene screaming, I didn't do it, I didn't do it, I didn't do it.
Well, eventually I'm gonna pull that guy aside and say, Hey, I got some questions for you, actually.
You know, you you keep saying you didn't do it.
I didn't expect that you were doing it, but but now all of a sudden, because from my timeline, and you can go look back on my social media activity, and from from my uh, you know, just following all this again.
The first day, that day, everybody reached the conclusion this was left wing violence.
I mean, that was that was the consensus.
Okay, this is pretty clear what happened.
But like you said, then Netanyahu comes out and makes that statement.
Uh, and then they try to start making it all about Israel again.
And then so here it's like, oh, wait a second, now we're looking over here again.
So that's what made me so mad.
They're like, oh, the right wing did this.
No, Netanyahu did this.
They're the ones that came out.
Netanyahu made the first statement.
The Jerusalem Post had the first story.
They had a giant, like five-story tall banner up in Israel, like the next day.
Those things take a long time to make, by the way.
So, no, they're the ones that put the eyes on them.
Nobody was looking at them until they did it.
Yeah, I don't know.
I that that you'd have to ask this guy directly, kind of like what Trump did with the Epstein files.
Like, you kind of you kind of created something that more than likely has nothing to it, but now it's entered the discussion.
Now, again, I don't know if they do this to distract.
I don't know if this is some kind, I don't know, they want to enter because they want to be relevant.
But that I believe was unnecessary, just like Trump mentioning the Epstein thing and the way they're handling it.
That was unnecessary.
So it's a self-inflicted wound, we'll say to you to yourself or or the the uh organizational government will say.
I have no I I watched that and said, What the hell is he doing, even talking about this?
Uh why would he mention that?
Then it reminded me of Trump with the Epstein thing and how they've completely botched that and made it worse by continuously throwing the foot, you know, the the the gasoline on the fire when there was nothing there.
That's why that has spin it's spun into what it is today.
And I'm I don't know if that's what they're hoping for.
I don't know.
If that is that they want to interject in a conversation that have nothing to do with, who knows?
But you know, the problem is you got a government you can't trust, so now you don't know what to believe anymore.
And and ultimately, I think that's our big problem.
And when we have so many things that don't make any sense, so many things that don't add up, and they're not giving us the evidence that would that would close all these conversations, then the conversations are just gonna continue.
Now we'll see.
We'll see what the conclusion of all of this is.
Um, but at this point, it's pretty clear what they're gonna sell us.
Um and now if they can give us anything else to convince us that this is that this is the truth, then that's the burden is on them.
Because right now they haven't convinced me, they haven't convinced you, and I don't think they've convinced the majority of Americans.
Sal Greco, my guest today, former New York police officer.
Uh Sal, just just closing statements on this discussion.
Uh you know, I think this is a time though that people you really need to um pull it together, and uh you have to have trust in one thing is your faith.
Uh, I could say this probably with uh the most certainty is whoever did this, whether it was this crazed guy, another guy that's probably on meds, but they're not even discussing that part, or entities or organizations.
Yeah, is he on meds?
I want to know that because the big farmer has a lot to do with a lot of these people coming out of woodwork, all these mental patients running around with guns.
So the problem with this, and the biggest thing I'm noticed is they have a void in their life, and the reason everybody usually has a void in your life is because when you were created by God is so you had a hole there wanting to always be with God.
If you are one of with one with God and one with Jesus, you won't have that void.
But those that don't believe in anything have a huge void.
So what do they do?
You've encountered them in the street personally, you see them out there with that, you know.
I I see them painting over murals, you know, saying crazy things about Charlie's death.
And you gotta remember we all end up in the same place, so and so you're gonna get judged.
First, I believe when you do cross over, you're gonna judge yourself before you get to be judged by God himself.
So if you think waking up in the mirror and wishing death on people and this whole death cult that they have, whatever pharmaceuticals they're on.
If that's your God, God help you when when the time comes.
But for people like us that we believe and we believe in God, I go to church all the time.
I'm with Roger's there on Sunday.
You know, Roger was devastated over this.
I mean, media came.
She, you know, for her to come to church, it was like, whoa, because you know, she's um, she's actually a Buddhist.
So she for her to come, even though she grew up a Catholic, she she came.
She's like, I had to do this.
Like, you know, this has been really bothering me.
This affected everyone the way it was done.
And again, the problem is that the government, we can't trust them.
Oh, and that's that's really what boils down to.
But I I think people need to find their inner self and their faith and stick with that because these are some really dark times.
We have some really, whether you want to say evil people or people that are high on drugs, because that's everywhere, that are just running rampant, and you can only pray that they get saved at some point because they don't believe in anything, and we do.
And uh, you know, my condolences to Charlie's family.
I didn't really know him.
I've been in the same room with the guy, and I really didn't talk to him.
But you know, uh that moment will be I'll be seeing this over and over again.
And I feel so sorry that this happened and it was completely botched by the cops there, by his security.
It's something that was so simple to fix, but it was caused by what?
Did it do it intentionally, or they just messed up because they messed up.
We'll never really know because you don't trust the government.
Yeah.
Well said, Sal Greco.
Uh, love you, brother.
Appreciate your time today.
Where can people follow your show?
Uh, you can follow me on at the Sal Greco on X, uh, also on Instagram.
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Hashtag Owen Schroyer banned on TikTok.
You will be you'll be shut down, just so I want you to know.
So yeah, we got uh we got we got well, we actually got multiple problems with TikTok right now, but I'm just uh we'll just leave it there for now.
Sal Greco, uh great friend of mine, great American patriot.
Uh God bless and God speed.
Folks, uh, coming up, I am uh going to be on with Enrique Tario.
I'm gonna be on with redacted, and I got an interview with Zeb Boykin later this afternoon, right here on this same channel.
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