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Nov. 12, 2024 - Owen Shroyer Live

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OSL 87 - Live Analysis Of House Results And Senate Results

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owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, ladies and gentlemen, Owen Schroyer Live, episode 87, live analysis of House and Senate results as they're still coming in.
		We'll give you the latest with the breakdown, and then we're going to open up in X Spaces on the payout discrepancies with some big heavy hitters coming in to explain what's going on.
		Coming to you always through the Owen.gold microphone.
		Become a member of the club at Owen.gold, the only membership that pays you back.
		But first, we're all feeling a little nostalgic, aren't we?
		So why not throw it back with a little creed?
unidentified		So let's go then.
		Let's make our escape.
		Come on, let's go then.
		Let's get me higher to a place where I'm seeing.
		Can you take me higher to a place where gold and stream?
		Oh, I would like a world of change.
		It helps me to appreciate those nights and those dreams.
		When my friend, I'd sacrifice all those nights if I could make the earth and my dreams the same.
		The only difference is to let love replace all of him.
		So let's go there.
		Let's make our escape.
		Come on, let's go there.
		Let's stay.
		Can you take me higher to a place where life might see?
		Can you take me higher to a place with gold and stream?
		So let's go there.
		Let's go there.
		Come on, let's go there.
		Let's come with us.
		Oh, I feel like I'm alive for long.
		Where first time set up high, I'm stole it alone.
		So take these dreams and make them mine.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Contact your senator.
		Tell them no on Jon Thune.
		Yes on Rick Scott.
unidentified		Set up high.
		I'm sorry.
		We only got a small amount of time left.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Contact your senators, folks.
unidentified		And make them mine.
		Can you take me?
		No, Rubio is not confirmed.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Rubio is not confirmed.
unidentified		True police with gold and streets.
unidentified		Can you take me higher?
layne staley [aic] ▲ ● ▼		Can you take me higher?
unidentified		True blessings with gold and streets.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's get this thing started.
		Let's get this thing started.
		Marco Rubio has not been confirmed.
		Creed blows.
		That's worthy of a kickout.
		I might boot you from the chant for saying such anti-creed rhetoric.
unidentified		I'll boot you for that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are here live.
		Owen Schroyer Live, episode 87.
		We're going to get into the latest numbers out of the House and the Senate.
		And then we're going to open up an X Spaces and talk about the payout discrepancies.
		We've got some big heavy hitters coming into the X spaces tonight.
		No, Marco Rubio has not been confirmed.
		That information has actually been debunked right now.
		And there are some other names being floated around, but we shall wait and see what Trump ultimately decides for Secretary of State.
		All right.
		I want to get into these house results.
		There is a bit of an update.
		I still think my number holds.
		222 is probably where it's going to end up, but it'll be as little as 220 and as many as 224, I believe, is what we are sitting at right now.
		Let's go ahead and get into this shall we?
		All right.
		Well, the NBC News desk is always, always, always trying to hold out as long as possible in hopes that a Republican won election will flip to a Democrat because that's what NBC does.
		This race is tight, but I'd say it's likely going to a Democrat, so you're not going to pick up a seat there.
		This race is also tight and continues to get tighter.
		But you've got 1,000 vote gap to close for Marin.
		And the trend, well, it's been going in his direction, but based off of the results in the presidential election, I think this is probably also going to a Democrat.
		Yeah, I know that some people are saying it's already at 218.
		That's why I said the NBC News desk is always one of the last to call because they are Democrat Party propaganda.
		So you're not going to pick either of those up.
		I don't know.
		Have they called this?
		This should be called.
		This is over.
		Even though it's a tight race, this should be called.
		This should be 215 right here in Iowa.
		But we're going to keep our eye on that in case they play any shenanigans.
		Alaska, this has been called in most maps, but they haven't called it yet on NBC News because they hate you.
		That should be 216 right there.
		Arizona 6 should be 217.
		Arizona 1.
		There's your 218.
		So there's your 218 right there.
		And I think it's pretty safe to say that that's how those races are going to go.
		So now we're in the bonus.
		This one doesn't look good.
		This one does look good.
		So now you're at 219.
		Here's your 220.
		There's your 221.
		There's your 2.22.
		So I think it's 2.22 at the end of the day.
		I think it's 222.
		Republicans get a four-seat advantage in the House, which you would expect to be more.
		But these house races were a little funky, I'm going to be honest.
		Like, how do the Democrats flip this seat in Alabama with such a wide margin?
		I guess people didn't want to vote for a woman.
		I don't know.
		That was a little shocking to me.
		And then flipping these seats where Trump won those districts in New York.
		And then specifically flipping this seat, another district that Trump won, and D.S. Bosito was an incumbent.
		So those are a little shocking to me.
		But nonetheless, 222 is where I see it finishing.
		222 for the Republicans, a four-seat advantage in the House.
		So unless there's ridiculous shenanigans, that's where we should be.
		Senate stands at 53.
		I mean, look, look at NBC Newsdask.
		Look at this.
		They won't even call Pennsylvania.
		Everyone else has called Pennsylvania.
		Everyone else has called Pennsylvania, but not NBC.
	Not NBC.
	They're still counting here, but Carrie Lake with a very large deficit to overcome.
	This was a race that Brown overtook Rosen late and then ended up losing.
	Now, this is the race that's getting all the scrutiny in Wisconsin.
	Rogers couldn't unseat Slotkin, even though Trump won the state.
	But this Baldwin situation was shocking.
	And of course, it was the vote Viagra.
	It was the vote Viagra at 3 in the morning that gave Baldwin the victory.
	A huge ballot dump comes in, 90% for Baldwin, just enough to put her over the top.
	Go figure.
	There's your vote, Viagra.
	There's your vote, Viagra, for the 2024 elections.
	It was in Wisconsin.
	And who knows with all these other House races?
	But nonetheless, it'll be 53 seats for the Republicans in the Senate, I believe, when it's all said and done.
	So that's good news.
	Even though it's a slim majority, you at least believe with the majority in the Senate and the House that Trump's agenda should get through with little resistance.
	I don't want to say no resistance, but we will say little resistance, considering you have both majorities there.
	So, why am I doing an X space coming up here shortly?
	Now, for whatever reason, I'm one of just a few people who are willing to talk about this publicly.
	I think that a lot of people are worried about it's kind of viewed as going against Elon.
	I don't look at it as going against Elon.
	I don't think Elon has any control of it other than the Elon boost factor that when he reposts or shares or replies to people's posts, that obviously gives you a boost as he has hundreds of millions of followers.
	But he's not running the monetization team.
	I don't believe he's in charge of that code.
	So there's some other bugs in the machine here.
	There's some other mysteries.
	But when it first happened and I did a video, I got a lot of response and people said they wanted to come on a space with me.
	Well, they didn't show up.
	Now they say we'll see if people show up this time.
	I'm not the best at spaces or sharing them or marketing them.
	I think I did a little bit of a better job this time.
	So, we'll find out if people show up.
	But I did a second video on the payout discrepancies.
	And just so you understand where I'm coming from, I'm a numbers guy.
	I am good at statistical analysis.
	Now, when it comes to like engineering and advanced mathematics, no, I'm not sitting here acting like I'm some sort of mathematician or math wizard or engineering wizard.
	I'm not good at that.
	But statistics and statistical analysis, that's what I do.
	I can do that.
	And so, since my second video posted over the weekend, I believe that was Friday night, I have had dozens more people reach out.
	So, I basically have access now, or have had access and had time to analyze about 30 different X accounts, analytics, and payouts.
	These are people I've had multiple accounts with multi-million followers.
	I've had accounts that have bigger followings than me.
	I'm at about a quarter million.
	I have accounts that have smaller followings than me.
	And based off of inconsistent data and payout ratio, and that's what we're dealing with here: inconsistent data and payout ratio, I can generally speak that about 600 million impressions.
	Now, I'm told impressions don't mean that much.
	Engagements are more important, or maybe even replies, but there's all kinds of different factors, and people are going to weigh in on all of them.
	But based off impressions, about 60 million impressions should be somewhere close to 10K a month.
	But again, that's not even consistent.
	There's no real rhyme or reason to that, except just from crunching the numbers that I have.
	Depending on other engagement types, replies, likes, shares, there's definitely some things that might throw it off.
	It's hard to really know what video view time factor plays into this, except from what I can tell, it doesn't play into it at all.
	Now, it's supposed to.
	That was part of the original motivation factor of people bringing their content onto X was that the more people watched your videos or the more people played your videos, especially live content, that that would boost your numbers.
	But based off what I can see, it does not help at all.
	It has no factor into it.
	And so, we'll talk to some people that have broke this down.
	We'll talk to some people that have gone into different areas like coding.
	I'm not a coder, computer code is like hieroglyph to me.
	In fact, I probably understand hieroglyphs better than computer code.
	I think the answer, though, is you need to have a public formula.
	That's what needs to happen.
	You need to have a public formula that everybody can look at and say, okay, this is how it works.
	Now, having said that, I am actually on the side of X should not be monetized, it should not be monetized.
	I think you should do subscription-based content if you want to monetize your X, or there has to be some sort of a mitigation factor to stop clickbait, to stop leading headlines, basically clickbait, to stop people from glitching the system, to stop people from being motivated to use bots to increase their numbers, because that's big.
	That is definitely a factor, no doubt about it, and also to stop it from becoming OnlyFans Light because women have figured out that they can game the system by posting selfies, posting near nudes, you know, posting the goods.
	They've figured it out.
	And that's aside from now the straight-up adult content that's found its way onto X that should be banned entirely.
	If YouTube can ban adult content and make sure it stays off the platform, then so can X. And X needs to do that.
	There should be zero adult content, zero.
	So, I think really the best thing to do is to just get rid of monetization overall and just bring it to subscriber-based.
	And so you can have subscribers, you can do subscriber-based content, you can still keep your account open, but just have the money coming in through subscriber follows.
	But this monetization thing is watering down the content.
	It's only going to get worse.
	It's causing people to figure out glitches in the system, use bots to boost their numbers.
	Posting OnlyFans light content, if not straight up adult content, I don't want to see that ever on X. It shouldn't be on X. And so really, and then clickbait as well and false leading headlines.
	All this can be mitigated by not monetizing X. Now, there's other hidden factors that we're going to get into with some of the guests on the space, like the codes and what's considered ad-friendly and what's not.
	I'm going to go ahead and open up this space now.
	And we'll start getting people in here.
	Now, normally, normally I'm live.
	I do this show live video on X and on Rumble.
	But tonight, I've decided to just do the video on Rumble.
	So I'm going to get my co-host in here and we will start getting into this.
	But again, you have to understand.
	And people have now seen my ability to crunch numbers in my election coverage.
	I can do that in anything.
	I used to do that in sports all the time.
	And when you're in sports media, sports radio, sports debating, that was like, you know, a big thing.
	And that was my go-to thing was numbers and stats.
	So that's going to be what I'm leaning into.
	And again, I've had 30 or more accounts, big accounts, huge accounts, small accounts, send me their analytics and their payouts.
	And I've crunched the numbers and they just don't add up.
	There's just nothing I can figure that adds up into any of it.
	So there's definitely big mystery things going on.
	Now, is there a social club aspect of it?
	Absolutely.
	But even if there was, then this should be one of two things.
	If there's a social club, then still the formulas should apply to everybody.
	So even if there's some social club that is always boosting one another to make sure that they get the biggest payouts, the formula should still be the same.
	Now, if there are people that have unofficial deals with X to promote it that get their payouts boosted, then they should be transparent about that.
	But here's the thing.
	A lot of these questions are not for me to answer.
	I'm not the one making 10 grand, 20 grand a month on X. I'm not the one posting my payouts.
	You'll see people posting their payouts that have small followings, don't have half the following I have, don't get half the engagements I get, and they make like 10 times the money.
	Just to be clear, I'm not in this for the money.
	I don't care about the money.
	I'd rather them stop monetization altogether.
	But people that are making this money are being disingenuous when they say anybody can make a living on X, and then they promote it, and people think, oh, I can hop on here and make a living.
	No, there are very few people who can make a living on X, and nobody can figure out how they're doing it.
	And the video I shot on this on Friday got a million views.
	So it's clearly an issue people are wondering about.
	But for me, I'm doing this because the platform is important to me.
	And I believe that the platform is important because X is now the most important app in the world for free speech and for news aggregation.
	And if we start to water it down with content that is fishing for payouts and monetization, by the way, here's another issue.
	The subscriber-based platform, most people can't even get access to it.
	Most people cannot even get access.
	Most people cannot even get access to it.
	All right.
	Is the audio on X good, guys?
	I might have already been blowing it.
	All right.
	I think we're good here.
	Let me get this all figured out.
	I apologize.
	I had the X thing muted.
	I'm still not the best at the X spaces, but we're here now.
	Let me.
	Let me get my co-host set up here so he can manage the space.
	We're going to bring in Dominic Michael Trippi to manage this space for me.
	Again, for the people in the spaces, I'm sorry.
	I'm also live on Rumble this moment, breaking it down.
	Let me reassess this for everybody in X spaces before we start to hear from other people that want to talk about this.
	Now, again, last time I did this, people said, oh, I want to get in on this conversation.
	I've got a lot to say.
	And then they never showed up.
	I don't know if that's because they're afraid that they're going to be demonetized or they're afraid if they talk about this that it's somehow anti-Elon.
	I don't view that as anti-Elon.
	I don't think Elon has anything to do with this.
	There's a monetization team.
	And other than Elon's boost factor, I don't think he has anything to do with it.
	I think there's a, well, I know there's a monetization team.
	Now, how much control they have over it, I don't know.
	But I don't view this as anti-Elon.
	So let me just get a couple things out of the way here as we're now live on the audio on X. And we'll start to bring in some of the other people.
	And I'm hoping that we get some of the people that wanted to talk about this in here as well.
	Since I did my video Friday that has almost a million views, I've gotten analytics and payouts from more than 30 people.
	Okay.
	And this group of people is very wide-ranging.
	I have multiple people that sent me their analytics and payouts that have more than 1 million followers.
	We're talking huge accounts that have sent me their analytics and payouts.
	My account is a quarter million, so I've analyzed my numbers and my payouts.
	By the way, I make about 400 per pay period.
	I make about 400 per pay period, and I'm usually around 40 million impressions, let's say.
	I have accounts that are smaller than mine that get more impressions, that get less payouts.
	I have accounts that are smaller than mine that get less impressions and get more payouts.
	I have accounts that are bigger than mine, get more impressions, similar payouts.
	I have accounts that are bigger than mine, get less impressions, more payouts.
	I have accounts that are small.
	So it's like, it's all over the place.
	I've crunched all the numbers.
	I've done all the data crunching.
	I've done all the statistical analysis.
	It's a bit of my specialty.
	I'm not a big engine.
	I can't do engineering.
	I'm not an astrophysicist.
	I'm not like a big mathematician expert.
	I'm bad at math, but statistical, statistics, and statistical analysis, for whatever reason, I can do that like a master.
	And none of it adds up.
	Okay?
	None of it adds up.
	Some people think, oh, it's replies.
	Some people think it's, oh, these other engagements or likes or shares.
	I've tried.
	I've tried to base the analysis off of any of those factors and it's still not consistent.
	Now, others have said there's code that they've analyzed that will explain why some people make more.
	This idea, though, that, oh, anybody, anybody can go on there and make a living is just not true.
	It's just not true.
	It's fully disingenuous.
	And if these people have deals with X, then they need to say that.
	Because no, not anybody can go on there and make a living on X. It's very clear that there's a small, only a small handful of people that can get in there and make a living.
	This isn't about the money.
	I actually think X should be demonetized.
	I don't think monetization should be on X. I think it's bad for the platform.
	I think it waters down the content.
	It encourages clickbait.
	It encourages false headlines.
	It encourages women to turn it into OnlyFans Light.
	It will eventually encourage outright adult content, which should be completely banned off of X, by the way.
	X needs to be like YouTube.
	All adult content should be completely banned on X. And you should not be able to make a living just by posting selfies.
	I mean, I guess you could say you should, but then make it subscriber-based.
	So I think all monetization should be subscriber-based.
	Otherwise, you're watering down the platform.
	This is the most important platform in the world.
	It's the most important news site in the world.
	And so that's why we have to talk about this.
	It's not anti-Elon.
	I like what Elon has done.
	It's the only mainstream social media platform that I can even get on because I'm censored everywhere else.
	But this is the most important app in the world.
	And I think there is a bit of a user weight to getting X to do what we want.
	And it's worked in the past.
	So is there a big club and I'm not in it?
	Is there a ghost in the machine?
	Is the coding rigged?
	Is there other deals that the sponsors and the advertisers have where certain topics are off limit?
	We'll get into that tonight.
	But I've done the analytics.
	I've had more than 30 accounts send me their analytics and their payouts.
	The biggest accounts on X down to accounts with 10, 20,000.
	And I've analyzed all of it.
	And none of it makes sense.
	None of it makes sense.
	So there's something else going on.
	Now, we're going to start to go to some of the speakers here.
	I'm about to go to the Parzival.
	Now, he's gone into an aspect of this that I'm, it might as well be a different language to me.
	I can do statistical analysis.
	I can't do code analysis.
	I don't know code.
	I can't read code.
	I can't make code.
	I should learn how to code.
	I don't know how to code.
	So that's something that is just completely out of my ballpark.
	I can crunch statistics and do statistical analysis all day long.
	I like it.
	Code out of my league.
	But the Parseval is good at that.
	Before I bring him in here, I also want to bring in a social media expert, Dominic Michael Trippy.
	He's going to be co-hosting, and then we're going to bring the Parzival on to get into what he's learned.
	This might be your ghost in the machine, the code, or at least an aspect of it.
	But we've crunched a lot of the data.
	And so, Dominic Michael Trippy, do you have anything else to add to this that I haven't gotten into with my data analysis?
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		That you called me an expert, but luckily, I'm not a vaccine expert, so you might be able to actually trust something that I have to say.
		But, anyways, the most profound detail about this whole thing with the X payout system is that there are literally, and a lot of very big names on here, some of the biggest ones, which I was very surprised actually reached out.
		But we have seen cases where there's 150 million impressions in one pay period, and we've compared that to someone that has maybe like five, and the person with five literally made more than someone with 150 million.
		So, I understand when people say things like, oh, it's the replies and it's the ad revenue, and now that's changed, where they sort of in a very obtuse way just say, Oh, it's about organic engagements and the quality of the engagement without really showing the parameters of what that means.
		But I just want to point out just the unbelievable discrepancy, even more so than what people are aware.
		Because, sure, you might see someone and they might have some similar numbers, and there's a big difference.
		But when we're talking about like hundreds of millions in a difference, and they're still being paid significantly less than much smaller accounts or people that are not having near that performance on their account, it's very clear, and it's not up for debate.
		There is something deeply flawed or purposefully disjointed about this system.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or there's just something that people aren't being open about.
		Like, are there deals that are being cut to boost numbers or boost payouts or people being paid to promote their payouts?
		Again, I'm just speculating here.
		Now, I want to go to the Parzival if you want to unmute yourself and get into what you've learned with the code.
		And I'll pull up your X account too, so people that can see it can make sense of what you're saying.
		So, the Parzival.
		Oh, and by the way, the video form of this, ladies and gentlemen, is on Rumble.
		So, while they're talking, I'm pulling up the video on my Rumble channel, rumble.com/slash/Owen.
		So, the Parzival, I want you to open yourself up now and get into the code or the ghost in the machine aspect of this that you've been digging into, I believe, for over a year now.
unidentified		Yeah, thanks for having me on, Owen.
		I think that shows some great integrity on your part because there are a lot of people that like to ignore this stuff and pretend like it's not a big deal.
		But I think now that people are seeing those discrepancies in payouts and they're being affected personally, I think it's become more of an important topic that people are willing to discuss.
		But to answer your question as far as the code and other issues, yeah, there's lots of things in the code that are basically making what we're seeing on the platform happen, right?
		So, when you say, Hey, I'm analyzing these people's accounts and the analytics, What you're measuring is what the algorithm is producing, right?
		You're measuring the results of the algorithm.
		And essentially, everything we're seeing operates by that.
		There's no magic fairy dust that just makes certain accounts get paid more than others, right?
		There has to be something hard-coded to be able to make sure those people come across your timeline more so than others, making sure that ads hit certain accounts versus others.
		And then also you have, you know, these networks of people that constantly repost each other and they fail to repost smaller accounts.
		And, you know, that hurts smaller accounts with stuff.
		And then you got people stealing content.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, pause it right there because I'm so glad you said this.
		This is such a key point.
		And I've noticed this.
		Some of the accounts that make the most money on X they literally steal other people's content.
		They will literally steal other people's memes.
		They'll even have watermarks on them.
		And look, I'm my stuff is stolen all the time.
		I don't consider it stealing.
		So let me be clear.
		I don't mind that other people steal my stuff.
		It's a little bothersome, I guess, that they can make money off of my stuff and maybe I can't.
		But again, this isn't about me.
		But what the Parseval is saying here is true.
		People will literally rip off someone else's content and upload it as their own, and there is no penalty in that.
		I mean, what do you even do?
		So I didn't mean to interrupt, but that was a very important point you brought up.
		I wanted to expand on that.
unidentified		Yeah, no worries.
		You know, it's a great, great thing to expand on.
		I mean, and a lot of the accounts that are, you know, stealing the content are the most monetized accounts.
		So, you know, it's almost like this behavior is being rewarded.
		And the people that are actually doing the work and creating the content are the people that are getting screwed.
		And those are the people you want to promote.
		Those are the people you want putting in the work.
		That's how you get, you know, the best and newest content, right?
		The people doing the actual content creating.
		And we're rewarding people that are just going, you know, over to TikTok, downloading a video, coming over to X, posting it, saying, oh, what do you think?
		And boom, making thousands of dollars or, you know, trying to get people to follow them and taking certain hot topics.
		And, oh, if you like this, you know, follow me.
		I'll follow you back.
		And we see a lot of that.
		And they don't follow back most of the time.
		So it's just like we got all these bad behaviors that are taking place.
		In addition, you know, the code is classifying everybody.
		It's weighing everything you do on the platform.
		So anybody you engage with, anything you like, how much time you watch a video, what accounts you're interacting with, DMing, all that stuff are recorded data points.
		And it's weighing you as an individual, essentially.
		And then when the algorithm is putting content into people's timelines based on your reputation, you may or may not get as much of an advantage on people's timelines, whereas the others are.
		And then on top of that, they're reach others.
		You've got these people in the top tier and they're just constantly reposting each other and taking up even more of your timeline.
		So it's almost like this narrative control where you get this one group and they're running the timeline.
		And I think we've seen that where we saw everybody post, you know, we're the media now.
		And it was just everywhere on the platform.
		So.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Hey, we're having a weird audio glitch with you right now.
		It sounds like you're like going in and off of Bluetooth or something.
		We can still hear you.
		I don't know if there's something that you're controlling there.
		I just want to let you know about that.
		And I would just respond to that by saying, you know, I don't have as much of an issue with that as long as it's organic.
		And as long as everybody gets the same formula, as long as everybody gets the same formula and everybody can do the same application of, let's say, a social club boost, then fine, as long as it's organic.
		But if there's something else, if there's something else going on there that makes it inorganic or something you can't get access to, then that's a different story.
		So I just wanted to respond to that.
		And I want to know if you got your, you were coming in just fine.
		It was weird.
		It sounded like Bluetooth was going in and out for a second.
unidentified		I was getting a call, so that possibly could be the issue.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like it's still going on, though, for some strange reason.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Keep talking.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I'll do.
unidentified		I can take them off and pull them back up.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		But I just wanted to add real quick, just from all the different data that I've seen that people were kind enough to send you, I think the most likely situation we're dealing with is almost like a, and again, I am hypothesizing here.
		So, you know, take that with a grain of salt.
		But I think what we're essentially seeing is like a social credit system that is basically attached to your account because I can tell you this right now, man.
		People that have major impressions, major engagement, I hear people constantly saying it's not the impressions alone.
		Okay, fine.
		Let's talk likes and reposts and comments then, whatever.
		There are so many people that post either, you know, we could call it controversial.
		We could call it maybe news stories that are, you know, talking about certain details that they might not be in line with certain narratives that, you know, oftentimes large companies or advertisers really want to be a part of.
		So I've noticed that although the account size or the engagement might be significantly less, people are being paid way more if they post like just standard shit posting.
		Like they're not really posting anything that's super critical.
		They're not posting anything, you know, as far as like U.S. foreign policy or sharp opinions on it and things like that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is that what would fall into the category of clickbait?
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		It's not even just that it's clickbait.
		I'm talking about any material that is not related to breaking developing news, foreign policy, wars, you know, influences on the country and why it works the way it does.
		If you're talking about any of that stuff, that makes like a tenth of you posting about animals.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that's what I'm saying.
		So you're talking about like topic-oriented stuff.
		Like if I ran a sports account that just did like sports news or sports highlights.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		That would make way more than if you were doing investigative journalism, talking about, you know, how intelligence agencies are aligned with.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you understand what I'm saying.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You think that's due to ad friendliness?
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the excuse before when they said that your ads, you know, that you were only being paid off of ad revenue based off your replies.
		That was their excuse before.
		And they'd say things like, oh, well, companies just don't want to advertise next to your, you know, offensive and shitty content.
		But the problem is, though, is that there are plenty of people that are not posting anything that's offensive or that could be misconstrued as, you know, distasteful in whatever way.
		And you're just seeing them get basically screwed and there's no explanation at all.
		And so I do realize, and we all see this, the people that are being paid the most and the people that are boosting the algorithm very often speak favorably about Elon Musk.
		They're posting about like Tesla and all this other stuff.
		But I think that there's like from what I've seen, so many people are aware of this, but they're afraid to say anything because they would like to get paid and they're afraid they're going to, you know, just hurt their own chances.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's absolutely a case of that going on.
		And I think, again, most of the people that sent me their analytics and payouts never show up in these spaces.
		And that's fine.
		You know, everybody makes a choice.
		But I think that the proof is that, yeah, they never, they don't want to talk about it publicly.
		They don't want me to address that they've brought it up to me in private.
		And that's fine.
		I'll, you know, I'll maintain their privacy.
		That's obviously what I'm going to continue to do.
		But I do think it's there's a bit of the social club there where people are afraid if they say anything negative about it, they'll never be in the club.
		Now, I don't, I don't really care about that.
		I get along with, I get along fine with everybody.
		But again, this is more about maintaining the integrity of the app and not letting monetization water down the content and then create a situation where people steal content, monetize off content, start promoting and producing adult content.
		That's what we're trying to avoid here.
		And I think, I don't think Elon Musk really has anything to do with it other than just his own personal boost factor.
		But maybe, you know, maybe the people that are running the monetization need to hear this.
		Maybe they don't even have control of it.
		And maybe there's other deals that are being made that are just official or unofficial and we don't know about it.
		But that stuff should be transparent.
		As long as everything is equal across the board, that's what's important here.
		And I think people are sitting here scratching their heads saying something doesn't add up.
		I do want to go to Liz Crokin here shortly, but the Parzival, let's let you finish here and hopefully your audio is clear.
unidentified		Yeah, is it sounding right now?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're good.
unidentified		All right.
		So, yeah, so we have a multitude of problems, right?
		So, I mean, yes, we have the code, which basically is a social credit system.
		And, you know, it's not just one score.
		There's a bunch of scores.
		They have labels and, you know, they even weigh you based off of who you're following and who follows you.
		And these things aren't clear as far as how they affect your account.
		Like we can see that these rules exist, but there's no clarification as to how much they impact your account, right?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So wait, let me get clarification on what you just said then.
		So practically speaking, let's use this as an example.
		And I mean, it is the elephant in the room.
		If Elon Musk is following you, do you think that boosts your numbers just from having that follow?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I mean, it does and it doesn't.
		It depends on your account overall, right?
		So, you know, if I've got a million followers and Elon Musk follows me, yeah, I'm going to gain, you know, a certain percentage because of that.
		But if I have, you know, a thousand followers and Elon Musk follows me, my account's going to grow rapidly, right?
		Because people are going to see that.
		So, so you're going to get that.
		But, you know, on top of that, when you post, you know, you get this follow score and it kind of goes out to the people that are in that network.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So depending on your follow score, that can affect how much of those people in your network get to see it because it's all this is getting into, and a lot of people aren't even aware of this.
		When you open it, at least on your phone, I would guess the vast majority of people use X on their phone versus their desktop.
		When you open your feed on your phone, there's two sections.
		And actually, one of them is for you and the other one is following.
		So when you have it on your following tab, then you only see the people you're following.
		If you have it on your for you tab, then it's way more open, which is probably good.
		I think I like the for you tab, but like here's an example of what I've noticed.
		And I don't know if it ties into the followers thing, but it definitely trends in what I look at because I look at political stuff and because I look at a lot of Trump stuff, obviously.
		Now there's this new wave of, let's say, Trump babes that get onto the app and start posting pictures of them in a Trump hat and, you know, maybe a short skirt or a nice top that lets you know that they're, you know, built, whatever.
		Whatever.
		I'm not complaining.
		I like beautiful women, but it's like, I don't log on to see that.
		If I follow you because I'm friends with you and you post that, well, that's one thing.
		Or if I follow you because I like other stuff, you, that's one thing.
		But these are, these are women I've never seen before, never heard of before.
		They don't even do news.
		It's just, hey, look, here's me in a Trump hat with a low cut top.
		And so this is the kind of stuff that I'm worried about.
		And I'm guessing they're all getting on here because they think they can monetize.
		I mean, I don't know.
		I mean, that's my only, that's what I can only make of that.
		And so it's like, that's what I don't want to see happen.
		I don't want to see stuff get watered down because everybody's like, oh, look, this girl says I can make 10 grand a month and I don't have to do nudes.
		I don't have to do OnlyFans.
		It's like OnlyFans light in a Trump hat.
		I don't want this app to turn into that.
unidentified		Yeah, totally.
		I mean, I think at the end of the day, the most important thing we want from this app is, you know, information flow and unrestricted information flow, right?
		That's, that's where the problem is.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, that's absolutely.
		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, and that's one thing we have to differentiate, right?
		I mean, there's algorithms you use to, you know, promote sharing of content.
		And then there's algorithms that you use to suppress information in certain content.
		And I'll tell you two algorithms are two different things and their functions are two different things.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like you to get more into that because I know you did a deep dive into Twitter 1.0 and then look at some of the stuff that you actually you posted it a couple of days ago.
		And I guess this is some of the code that you're going into like target user gender.
		I don't know.
		You'll have to explain that to me.
		I want to go to Liz Crokin, who's in here with us as well.
		Liz, why don't you go ahead and open up your mic and weigh in on this?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Owen.
		First of all, thank you so much for covering this topic and doing the videos that you did the other day.
		This is a topic that I started looking into a few months ago.
		And myself and Denz, who is also in here and Mike Smith as well, which hopefully we can bring up because they have some insight too.
		Denz particularly is way more tech savvy than I am.
		And he has helped me understand the code and how the code works and, you know, why the censorship is happening.
		I started looking into this in the first place because I realized that my numbers were not adding up.
		My paychecks were not adding up.
		It was obvious that my account was being greatly throttled and censored.
		And so, what he did a few months ago is he ran an audit using the open source code.
		And what we realized is that my account had 58 labels on my account.
		And a lot of those labels are censorship labels that prevents my tweets from being seen.
		Some of my tweets are hidden, not just in.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Now, do we know if this is from the leftover ghost in the machine from Twitter 1.0?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		That would be a question for Denz.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		That would be a question for Denz.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
		I'm going to let you finish here, but I want to address this real quick.
		And Dominic, see if you can find Denz and invite him in.
		Because Liz, here's what I noticed.
		You know, I had a pretty big account that got censored on Twitter 1.0.
		I got, I got, well, I was banned on Twitter 1.0.
		When I got my account back, that was after, so Elon Musk purchased X. Then I started a new account.
		That's the account that I'm on now at Owenschauer1776.
		And then restored my old account.
		At the time, it was at All I Do is Owen.
		I've changed that into a news aggregation account now.
		But what I noticed in the beginning, and it might still be the case, I don't follow the analytics there as much anymore.
		But what I noticed in the beginning, when the old account had more followers, it was at about 140,000.
		It had more followers than my new account, which I was still growing.
		My new account would get so much more traction, so many more impressions than the old account.
		And I believed that was because the ghosts in the old machine, the ghost of shadow banning and shadow censorship were still in the machine, causing my old account to basically get hit with the shadow banning.
		And that's why ultimately I just committed to the new account.
		And then I converted the old account to news aggregation.
		And it's done okay, but it's still never able to blow up.
		Like I can't get anything to go viral on that old account like I can on my new account.
		And I think maybe that's just some of the bugs, some of the ghosts left in Twitter 1.0 that haven't just been found.
		Again, I'm not a tech savvy person like you.
		And maybe the gentleman you spoke of, Denz, who I see is in here with us, can address this.
		That's the only reason why I can see it.
		And maybe it's hard to comb through all of it and find that.
		But that's what I think is going on.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got banned in 2018 and then I was brought back on two years ago.
		And so I never ran an audit before I got banned in 2018.
		And I'm still using the same account that I used in 2018.
		That would make sense.
		I just can't confirm if that's true or not.
		But after we ran the audit, there were labels on my account such as like do not amplify, state media, blacklist.
		I mean, it just went on and on and on and on, you know, spam, like, you know, labels that were accusing me of doing things that I've never done.
		And my account had an extreme amount of labels, which were in effect censoring me and preventing me from making the money that I should be making.
		And earlier, you were talking about, you know, well, what accounts do well?
		Like, which accounts are making more money?
		Well, Denz and I did a ton of research on this months ago when people started posting their paychecks.
		And it was just wild to us because there were some accounts that had less than 10,000 followers.
		And now I think I'm, I'm, I think I'm at a little over 450,000.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I will tell you this.
		And I want to address this again.
		And look, to be clear, I'm not here to put anyone on blast.
		The people that promote their payouts and say these things on X, they can answer these questions.
		Okay.
		That's for them to answer to how they're able to make all of this money, not me.
		I'm not here to put anyone on blast.
		I'm here to analyze the numbers and figure out what's going on.
		But I will tell you this.
		A couple of the accounts that are very small that do better than probably everyone in this spaces combined.
		I've seen their analytics.
		Now, some of the other ones that show off won't share their analytics with me.
		They'll only share their payouts.
		They refuse to share their analytics.
		But I've seen some of their analytics and I've compared them to accounts that have over a million followers.
		In some cases, multi-million followers get more impressions, more everything, more replies, more likes, more views, everything.
		And they get paid more.
		So again, I don't know if they figured out a glitch in the system or if they're botting or what's going on.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're absolutely right.
		So before this most recent pay period, before they made some changes to how people were getting paid and going back months, there were some accounts that were getting paid way more than accounts that, you know, some accounts that had less than 10,000 followers getting paid way more than people with 100,000, a half a million, in some cases, a million.
		And there was nothing in their engagement, their views, their replies.
		There were no numbers that they had that were higher than an account like mine.
		And what we also noticed is there seem to be these strange anomalies with these accounts.
		Like, for example, some of these accounts would post a video that would have maybe two comments and two comments and like four retweets, and the video would have millions of views.
		And it's like, wait, how is it mathematically possible that a video that only has two comments and like four retweets has like a million views?
		Like there was just weird anomalies that, in my opinion, makes me think that there's something going on internally where they're maybe manipulating these numbers.
		So in effect, these accounts are getting paid more.
		What we do know for sure is that there are labels on many accounts that are preventing people from getting the numbers they should be getting from search from their tweets popping up in the main search tools.
		And it's also preventing people from making the money that they should be making.
		What we also notice is that some of these accounts that are getting, in my opinion, overpaid based on the numbers, they not only don't have all these censorship labels, they have labels that imply that their accounts are being boosted, amplified, and uplifted.
		So in effect, based off of X's own open source code, that evidence proves that the system is rigged.
		Furthermore, I want to also talk about how you said that there are accounts that, you know, will plagiarize people's stuff.
		There are accounts that literally will plagiarize a story I write word for word.
		And these accounts will like plagiarize a story I wrote word for word, not give me credit.
		And those accounts are monetized and they have their subs approved.
unidentified		And what pisses me off is that I can't subscribe to your account, can I?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You don't have subs.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't see subs on your account.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		No, they won't.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it's the same for me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I get access to subscribers either.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		I've been waiting for over a year and a half, and I have actually been in contact with X through Zoom calls, emails for months.
		And the staff I talk to, they don't understand it either.
		And they don't know why my subs won't get approved.
		But what's happening is people are, there are people who are able to literally steal my work and make money off of my work that X is not allowing me to make money off of.
		And someone who's an institutional journalist, you can.
unidentified		Hey, Liz, how do you find these labels on your account, if you don't mind me asking?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		You can do it through Grok, and that's how you can find the open source code.
		And Den's, who I think you can see, is in there.
		When we get to Denz, he can explain it to you much better than I can explain it.
		But I also just real quick want to add one more thing.
		And to me, this is the most troublesome is that X is allowing some accounts, not just to plagiarize and whatnot.
		They, in my case, they have allowed some accounts to completely steal my identity.
		And one account that X not only allowed this account to steal my identity, so my name, my copyrighted work, my videos, my stories, my photos, X verified this account.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so did you, did you get that account shut down?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		I did.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yeah, I had to do something similar.
		I had to sue.
		I mean, we won in court.
		We were able to get the account shut down.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		See, but here's the thing.
		I had to raise like living hell to get this account taken down.
		X verified this account, which number one, how did like you have to show your ID to verify if you're Liz Kroken or not?
		So like, I don't understand, I don't understand how this account got verified unless they were in on it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that there's, I think that there's ways around that because you got to have a, there's a ton of anonymous accounts.
		And so I think there's definitely ways you can put your original name in there and then change your name.
		So there's definitely ways around that.
		I want to go to Den's here and get his takes on all of this.
		And I would just say to the problems that we're addressing here, you know, to me, the solution remains the same.
		You have just an open formula.
		If you're going to have monetization, an open formula so everybody can see it.
		But then the other problems remain, and that's monetizing other people's content, watering down the content.
		That's why I think monetization on X should be subscriber-based only.
		That way you're supporting the individual and not necessarily the content.
		And you still run into issues with people, you know, stealing content, posting content, but at least they won't be rewarded directly for that.
		And you're still following the individual for the individual.
		I don't know.
		I'm just trying to look for solutions here, but let's get down.
		Yeah, go ahead.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to say real quick, you know that Elon Musk actually, as far as the content stealing debate goes, you know, he actually said, and I'm looking for the post to put it in Jumbo Tron, but he said that accounts that steal content regularly were going to be permanently banned.
unidentified		I mean, that's how far they went because that's definitely not happening.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is something that he's brought up.
unidentified		I think you failed for the bet and switch.
		You probably failed for the beta and switch and now you're on my social credit score.
		And now you have an internet ID.
		And pretty soon you'll have a market beast and you will have my microchip in your head and you'll sell for it.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		And hey, Matt, as far as what you type into Grok to actually get your account analysis, I did it myself.
		I've done the same thing as you, Liz, and I had many of the same flags and stuff on my account, which I don't think I have many more because I sort of like didn't post for a few weeks and I think it kind of helped, but I'll post what you guys need to do to analyze your own account here in the Jumbo Chart.
		I'm just looking for it right now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Whenever you post that, let me know.
		Let's go to Den's.
unidentified		Hey, Owen.
		Hey, Liz.
		Hey, guys.
		Yeah, man, I don't even know where to start because so when we started looking into this, this actually is derived from the Parzival.
		When Parzaval made that post over a year ago regarding using Grok to do the label analysis on the accounts, a lot has come to light from that.
		And what's even crazier is Grok1 used to post, it would actually label, create a list of labels on your account that were applied.
		Grok2 does not do that.
		It actually categorizes the labels under umbrella terms.
		And you get, you know, it's like, hey, you know, based on the analysis, these labels are what appears to be on your account rather than giving you a direct output of the list of labels.
		But everything that you touched upon, Owen, it is absolutely correct.
		So we started this off with trying to figure out why Liz Crokin and Mike Smith down here, why they couldn't get their subscriptions approved.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Do we want to bring Mike Smith in here?
unidentified		I think we should.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll get him on as a speaker.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		So I'll continue.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let Den's finish up and then maybe we can get to Mike.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And Mike's had like a whole variety of issues as well.
		Atashadows.org is still banned from the site and this touches into Twitter 1.0, right?
		So a lot of these labels, there's no exact way to prove they are from Twitter 1.0, even though that's what it looks like it's occurring to a lot of the, especially the MAGA accounts, that they haven't been cleansed.
		But there's no really exact way to prove that because the source code wasn't made open source on GitHub until Elon took over.
		And when the Parzival made that post on running, you know, you would find the user label model within that GitHub repository, paste that in there and ask Grok to analyze a handle that you give it, and it would spit out all the labels on that account.
		Now, there's a lot to go over because there are some heavy labels that, Owen, we actually, Liz and I, we ran an audit on your account just two days ago and your account had a lot of the heavy labels that a lot of MAGA accounts have.
		And these are do not amplify recommendation blacklist.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about my blacklist.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Your current account that you're hosting on right now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's that.
		It's funny you say that because I don't know.
		When did you do that search?
		Or when did you, when did you look into that?
unidentified		Dude, this was literally, Liz, was it yesterday or the day before?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		I think we did it right after you did your first video talking about the censor.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The first video.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		It was your first video.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So that's actually hilarious because after I shot that video, and I mean, I guess there was a weighted risk that came with that.
unidentified		Oh, 100%.
unidentified		I'm going to touch into that, by the way.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, do that real quick.
unidentified		For influencer networks, do that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But hold on.
		It's funny you say that because after I shot that video, I noticed my impressions decreased like about half of what they were.
		I mean, and Dominic, you can attest to that because I asked you because you're kind of a social media analysis.
		I kind of lean on you to say, hey, you know, what's clicking, what's not.
		Remember when I contacted you after that video and I said, hey, my account's being throttled?
unidentified		Yeah.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		And then I did a couple things that I thought would fix it.
unidentified		It worked.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it worked.
unidentified		It's definitely not what it was, but it's funny because you call it a doc manga for nothing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's so that's so so yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So we knew, I mean, I, my instincts were correct on that.
unidentified		Yeah, well, the data also proves that your instincts were correct.
		Um, and so when we looked at uh the subscription problem that Liz and Mike were facing, we found out that a lot of these really weird accounts, low followers, you know, barely meeting the minimum criteria to even have subscriptions.
		Um, there was something really, really off about them.
		And this touches into the influencer labels.
		Okay, so there are two labels that I know of for a fact that boost accounts, and that is health experimentation one and health experimentation two.
		Um, they they're uh applied on on accounts to boost that account and to promote community engagement of whatever um X deems on on where you fit in their in their uh their their spheres of influence, right?
		So, when so the way that that, um, and and you've also mentioned the for you page.
		So, when we get the Twitter feeds, it goes into a black box, right?
		Uh, that that aggregates all your followers and people that the algorithm thinks you will like, and it spits out 1500 tweets.
		So, when you scroll, you get a predetermined list of posts of 1,500 posts that you have to go through before it redoes its calculation and gives that back to you of the accounts that you follow and for the for you page.
		So, when you have these uh labels applied to your account, um, you will for sure notice notice uh a significant reach and and a significant boost on on engagement.
		Um, there's one account, um, I don't want to mention the name, but there is one account that we found with less than 10,000 followers.
		And this person made a post, it only had 28 retweets and about 70 to 80 likes on that post.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So, that's just that's just the algorithm forcing it into people's four years, correct, exactly.
unidentified		It could be dog shit content, right?
		And it was for this case.
		There's nothing I would my personal opinion, like it's it's something that's not engaging.
		It's just someone's tweet.
		But that post had 2.8 million impressions when we, and we have the screenshots of this, by the way, and the audit on that person's account on what Groak spit out.
		And she had a um a label applied to the account where it was promotional.
		It was an influential account to be promoted, and that was health experimentation one.
		Um, so while there, and there is an Elon effect, so you've also mentioned if you talk against Elon, if you talked, talk against X, dude.
		I mean, you meant you're very well versed in statistics, right?
		There's no way there, there isn't an Elon effect applied to these posts.
		If you speak favorably towards him or his companies, you will get a boost.
		There's hundreds of accounts that we have archived that say so, right?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		don't they don't they have a fraction of your followers but when it comes to their engagement um there's no way you or i or liz or anybody um um especially magalining will will hit that that criteria but they and and just to be clear here that might be an agenda like elon might have given that agenda out but i don't think he's running x code i think and i think other people are in the i agree I agree.
unidentified		And this goes, this goes, there's a way deeper story into this because, like I said, we accidentally found all this stuff out.
		We were trying to figure out why the subscriptions were not being approved.
		And even to talk about that.
		So Mike Smith also doesn't have his subscriptions approved.
		And the reason they give him is he presented his ID to X three times now.
		The last time I personally helped him and walked through the process with him, he did the whole camera facial scan.
		He did the whole driver license upload.
		And the reason why they keep rejecting him is they're saying he's not 18 years old.
		He meets every single checkbox except the age.
		And dude, this is his driver license.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is he 18?
unidentified		He's like, yeah, he's in his 50s.
		He's one of my close buddies.
		I know for a fact he's over 18.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and he does look really young for his age.
unidentified		But if I was into my space and I'm thinking, this is a minor.
		What is he doing?
		50 years old.
		50 years old.
		And don't think I'm not fucking listening to this space because you're all on fucking grounded.
		You're all fucking grounded now.
		Well, yeah, we're definitely grounded.
		That's talking about this issue.
		But it's the Elon effect is completely noticeable on these X accounts.
		So they get a boost, right?
		And unfortunately, Grok2, like I said, it condenses the labels and it gives you a bullet point of the audit report compared to Grok1, which we cannot use anymore.
		And that gave a fine-tuned list.
		When we ran the initial audit on Liz's account, Liz, I think you hit 58 out of the 64 labels, right?
		Like it was, it was like crazy.
		And I personally do believe a lot of this is left over from Twitter 1.0, but this is another case of what Elon says does not match the actions of the platform.
		And I'm not saying it's him doing it.
		It's a high possibility that there are politically aligned people in the administrative level at X that control this boosting system, so to speak.
		And the subscriptions themselves, they get applied a boost.
		So there is, if you look deeper into the open source code on GitHub, there are functions in there that will boost certain creators.
		It's even called the subscription creator boost, right?
		That's the name of the code that gets run.
		And they use these weighted metrics to give you a quote unquote social credit score.
		So social media credit score.
		And the higher you rank, the more visibility you will reach compared to people like me or you know the lower guys.
		And we've had a lot of people and archived a lot of accounts.
		And you could see the before and after.
		And it was so prevalent that we call it the Elon effect, right?
		If the Elon effect is applied to you, you will do good.
		And I think one of the accounts I mentioned earlier, the one that had 28 retweets, but 2.8 million impressions, that person, we've noticed the social network around their account, right?
		The people they engage with, the people that they interact with in Amplify.
		Some of them will, especially one account in particular, alluded to the fact that that person was an X employee.
		But he would be like, hey, we just moved from California to Texas, quote unquote.
		And he would put X and then he had a photo of himself in front of the office in Texas, right?
		But he's not, he's not outright saying he works for X. But, you know, if you read between the lines of his posts and what he says, it looks like he's an ex-employee.
		We found other accounts that say they are a part of an ex-influencer network.
		Yeah.
		So go ahead, Liz.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Wait, and I just want to interject.
		Oh, and just so you know, with the Elon effect, it seems to pertain with accounts.
		based off of the evidence we've uncovered that they're part of some kind of ex-affiliate program and or they directly work for for X. And I just want to let you know, before I even realized I had 58 labels and that my account was, you know, really badly censored and targeted, I was like Elon fangirl.
		You know, I was always like promoting Elon.
		I loved what he was doing.
		I loved what he was saying.
		And, you know, so I was having these targeting censorship, you know, demonetization issues when I never was critical of him.
		And when I say critical, I'm critical of the censorship that's happening on X that doesn't seem to be changing.
		And in some cases, seems to be worse.
		So it's even if you are pro Elon and never say anything negative about him or only say things that are positive about him, you still may be censored, targeted, and or demonetized.
		But the people that do seem to benefit the most do seem to be part of some kind of, you know, club, as you mentioned, and or are in some kind of ex-affiliate program and or directly work for X. Well, and I guess the mystery there would be, is Elon even running his account?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Now, now, I'm not saying he doesn't run his account.
		I'm saying, do other people have access to his account that can reply or repost that, you know, maybe have their own agenda with the power of Elon's hundred plus million.
		I don't know what he's at, probably like 200 million follower account.
		By the way, though, Liz, because I know that goes on, I don't know about with Elon, but with other people.
		Did you see, just kind of a side note here, did you see Elon Musk's Pizzagate post the other day?
		The Hammer of Justice is coming.
		Did you see that?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		You think I would miss that for the world?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that was pretty epic, right?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That was like, I wasn't expecting that.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		No, it was amazing.
		And he did tweet about Pizzagate a year ago more than once.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's got to have access to stuff that went on with Twitter messaging and other stuff.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You wonder what he's seen.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Well, and the other thing, too, that he noted is that we learned a few months ago, and X's hand was forced, but we learned through court documents who co-owns and or invested in Twitter, or I should say, invested in Elon purchasing X. And so we do know that Jack Dorsey is still a co-owner.
		We do know that Diddy, and this is according to the court records from a case that a journalist brought against X to find out who, you know, who the shareholders are.
		So we do know Dorsey's still a co-owner.
		We know Prince Alweed is as well.
		And I'm sure you know all about him.
		And then Diddy is also a co-owner.
		And so he helped in the purchase of X and ironically is a co-owner.
		And Diddy?
		Excuse me?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Diddy.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Diddy, as in the one that was running a sex trafficking puff daddy.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Gay daddy.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Diddy.
		Yes.
		One of his companies, I believe it's Sean Combs LLC.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		I didn't mean to interrupt you, but just to clarify.
dominic michael tripi ▲ ● ▼		So Diddy is a part owner of X?
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Is that what we're doing?
		LLC invested in X and Elon was quoted according to multiple reports.
		And I believe it's also in a book that he openly said that Diddy helped him in the purchase of X. And I believe, I think he said this a couple years ago, but no one really was paying attention to it because, you know, back at that point, most people had no idea what Diddy was involved in.
		So I can get you those court documents and the mainstream media has even covered this.
		And so we do know that there's shady characters clearly that have invested in Elon's X. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I think there's still more Twitter files to come out.
		I don't know if it's a matter of if or when, but you know, there's definitely some other stuff that is probably still being kept from the public beyond censorship, more of the sordid side of things.
		I wanted to get Parzival back in here.
		We got into a lot of other issues, Parzival.
		Know if you wanted to echo some of that or if you wanted to expand on any of that, yeah, I'll jump in right quick.
unidentified		Um, so the labels can be uh applied pre-Twitter 1.0 or the current.
		Um, we know that for a fact.
		X actually put out their own report showing all the accounts that have gotten labels or suspended.
		So we know that these label systems are still in place currently.
		Um, and one of the main things that I took away from that report is they only accounted for labels that they notified the user that they received.
		So just the way they worded it makes me question whether they're applying labels that we don't even know about and keeping those from us.
		And the most important part is, yes, we want to see where we stand, right?
		We want to know what our reputation score is and what labels are on our accounts and you know what's making our account not being seen.
		But even if we know that, right, isn't that even a bigger problem that we have this kind of social credit score system in place to start with?
		I mean, that seems pretty dangerous in my eyes because once you accept that and that's the new system and that's what everybody operates by, it's really hard to go backwards at that point.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Do you know, are there any topics, let's say, other than Elon Musk or Tesla or SpaceX or anything like that?
		Are there any topics that might affect your status or let's say your social credit score on X?
		Are there any other topics that we know of?
unidentified		I mean, what we can gather is from, you know, you can tell when certain topics are being deboosted.
		I mean, I think we all kind of know what Liz tackles every single day.
		And obviously, that topic's kind of one of those that are off limits for whatever reason, you know, when she's trying to actually, you know, save kids and other people.
		But there's a whole list of keywords and models and all that.
		And it weighs these things based on how you say them.
		So, you know, there's not a keyword for like Elon, just Elon, right?
		So if you say Elon, it can be positive or negative.
		So depending on how you use his name, that can change how your account gets seen because it gets adjusted in the model.
		You know, if you if you're in favor positively, then you're going to get a boost.
		If you're if you're negative, then you're going to get deboosted.
		Um, you know, like we're talking about the Elon effect.
		Yeah.
		So I would say you guys know who Adrian Dittman is.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Elon Musk doppelganger voice.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		Do you believe it's him or not?
		Do you believe it's him or no?
		Um, if it is, there's some incredible implications, but I don't think it is personally.
		If I, if I had a guess, and ever since then, I've been screwed.
		He threatened to sue me, the Adrian Dittman, because I questioned who he was.
		And ever since then, I've been not feeling the love, not feeling the Elon effect.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're not, you're, you're a little, you're a little rough around the edges with that one, Matt.
unidentified		Let's just say this to answer your question.
		I said, let's just say this to answer your question.
		I've talked to Adrian Dittman and DM.
		So if that is in fact Elon, then he definitely knows a lot about what's going on.
		So either he's completely ignoring it or it's definitely not him.
		So that's kind of where I stand on it.
		So we have not gotten what were you saying, rough around the edges?
		Owen, I didn't quite understand.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, you're not exactly a stuffed animal on the Elon Musk conversation, Matt.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'd say you're closer to a cactus as far as your status on that conversation is concerned.
unidentified		Yeah, I've actually been waiting till after the election.
		So I'm glad you decided I was just on team humanity.
		Yeah, right.
		You haven't even been in the election.
		We're going to start.
		Well, no, I was being good for like a whole two months.
		I was really being good.
		And I'm like, I'm back.
		I'm back.
		You're all my fucking slaves now.
		How do you like it?
		So you probably, so that means I'll be wearing my sit and I'll sit in hell with you and you'll all be obeying my algorithm.
		I have people when they talk to me, they go, you know, that's why the algorithm's punishing you.
		And they're like, they talk about it.
		It's like, oh, that's why you're getting punished.
		Like, and they like accept it.
		They accept that the algorithm is being punishing me for this or that.
		And it's just like, it's just like learning, you just got to learn how to not be punished, bro.
		So gay.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Twitter 2.0, man.
unidentified		Yep, absolutely.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's Twitter 2.0.
		Hey, Liz and Denz.
		I don't know.
		I don't think we ever got Mike Smith in here.
		I've been monitoring it.
		I never saw him make it in here.
		So I'd love to hear his take on this.
unidentified		Right.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		He's at Cross.
		He isn't here.
		It's at C-R-U-X and then a bunch of numbers that I never remember.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he does get in here, we will try to put him up.
		Look, I will say this.
		And if there's anyone else, because I see there's some other names in here that I talk to frequently that might want to weigh in on this, who might want to try to get in here.
		I don't know if Jay Dyer wants to try to get in here.
		But what I've seen now, and this is now the second time that I've done this.
		And look, everybody can make their own decision.
		I'm not here to put anyone on blast.
		I've told my motivations for this, but it's clear that people are afraid to talk about it.
		I don't know what else.
		That's simply put.
		People are afraid to talk about it.
		And again, people will make their own decisions, and that's fine.
		But to me, X is the most important app in the world.
		And whether or not you agree with some of the topics or the direction that it's going, I think that we all agree that we want the best possible platform here that we can have.
		And so that's my big motivation here.
		I will admit the disingenuineness of some of these accounts bothers me.
		I will admit to that.
		That does bother me.
		I don't like disingenuous people.
		I don't like when people are being misled and deceived.
		So that does add into the factor of why I'm doing this.
		But more importantly, again, X is the most important app in the world.
		If we let it get watered down because of monetization, or if we let it slowly creep back towards Twitter 1.0, then we've kind of lost the battle.
		There's no doubt it's the most important and the best for free speech in the world.
		I don't think anybody is disagreeing with that.
		I don't think anybody disagrees that what Elon Musk has done here is very important.
		But we can have this conversation and not have to live in fear.
		And the fact that people are afraid of having this conversation, I actually think speaks volumes.
		Because again, I'll tell you, dozens of huge accounts have reached out and been like, oh, thank you for covering me this.
		You're right.
		Here's my numbers.
		Please analyze these.
		But they won't talk publicly about it.
		So everybody makes their own decisions.
		I'm not holding it against them.
		But I think that just the fact that there is that concern amongst people says that, yeah, there's obviously something going on.
		I see that Mike is with us.
		So Mike, if you want to go ahead and open up, go ahead.
unidentified		Hey, guys.
		Great, great space tonight.
		And Owen, thank you for having it.
		Liz, thank you for inviting me.
		Denz, you and I, we've been watching this for a long time, brother.
		Yeah, I'm not afraid to speak out about this.
		You know, we made a movie called Out of Shadows.
		Even to this day, I think it's a legacy ban.
		I'm not sure how it all really works.
		And Denz is the tech guy, you know, and he can tell you more.
		But, you know, if you right now just go try to tweet outofshadows.org.
		We made a movie.
		It was almost five years ago, I guess.
		We put it out on 41020 called Out of Shadows.
		And it was a movie.
		I worked in Hollywood for 30 years and we, you know, we kind of exposed a lot of things.
		And it got me kicked off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, PayPal, Reddit, TikTok.
		I got kicked off of like literally every platform there was when I put that film out.
		And I've dealt with a lot of censorship and suppression.
		And I mean, you know, when you go against the machine or you go against the whatever you want to call it, the mainstream media, you're going to get suppressed.
		You're going to get censored.
		You're going to get banned.
		And I was so excited when Elon, I got my account back.
		What, Liz, we got him back about the same time.
		You got yours back and then I got mine back about a month later.
		But I mean, I've watched it now and I used to make a tweet or put a post up and get 30,000 likes.
		And I had a pretty massive account.
		And now it's like, I don't, no matter what I do, I get very little engagement.
		And Den's, I mean, I know you monitor our account because, you know, you see, we actually put out a second movie last year called Into the Light.
		And it's kind of the follow-up to Out of Shadows.
		And that movie has been so heavily suppressed and pushed down.
		I mean, no one will even cover it.
		I mean, it's amazing, but we've got General Flynn in it, Boone Cutler, Laura Logan.
		I mean, major, major players talking about how the media or the censorship model works, you know, why they do it, how they do it, who's doing it, and then why the public can't see it.
		And it's just been, it's been really interesting to watch the game that's being played behind the scenes.
		And I'm, Owen, for you to have the guts to kind of address this.
		I mean, I sent the stuff to Denz the other night.
		I was like, hey, Denz.
		And he can put, Denz, if you want to post it in the pill, post it.
		I get $20, $19.
		I'm not trying to make money off of X. That's not my thing.
		But I got 18 million views on, you know, I put into the light.
		I'm sorry.
		I put Out of Shadows on X for free.
		And you can watch it on my account.
		It's got 18 million views.
		I mean, or 18 million, you know, I mean, Denz, if you want to jump in or Liz, you want to jump in.
		But I mean, you guys have seen what they've done.
		I mean, if you speak out against the machine, you get hammered.
		You get, you know, you get the suppression, and that's what it is.
		And Alex Jones faces this.
		You face it, Owen.
		You know, anybody that speaks out against the mainstream, you get hammered.
		That's just how it works.
		And you know that when you get in the fight, but you know, you got good guys like Elon.
		Thank God for Elon.
		Thank God he bought X. Thank God he's taking it over.
		But my opinion is there's still holdovers or algorithms that are in effect that suppress narratives that are against the mainstream.
		And they are doing everything they can to suppress the voice of the people getting out.
		And I think the people are waking up.
		I think the people are seeing this.
		And I think that's what we're fighting right now.
		And that's what we're in the middle of.
		And thank God that we have some light at the end of the tunnel.
	And I think we're going to get this done.
	And thank God Trump is back in office.
	And thank God Elon is working with Trump.
	I know Elon personally doesn't know about this stuff, but I think there's people in the company that are still or algorithms that are still in play that are doing this because the deep states have control of the narrative for many, many, many years.
	And it's coming down.
	So I'll end it right there.
	Can I ask a question?
	So then why would it be pro-Elon when it comes to the Elon effect or talking negative to Elon if Elon's not involved with it?
	Or is that some hijacked algorithm he has on the top that's overriding all other algorithms?
	Are you asking me pro like, here's my thing.
	I don't know Elon.
	I don't know how he set his company up.
	But here's what I know from what I've experienced.
	I'm 50 something years old.
	I can't get a subscription on X because I cannot verify that I'm 18 years or older.
	I meet every other criteria.
	I've done it three times.
	I've done, I mean, Den's told you, I did facial recognition.
	I did all this.
	I don't think Elon's aware of this stuff because, frankly, we're so far below his vision or his, you know, I mean, Elon's dealing with all kinds of stuff.
	I mean, the guy's the busiest guy probably besides Trump in the world.
	And he doesn't, he doesn't know what's going on day to day on his platforms.
	He's got people running all this stuff.
	I think there's just things in place in the algorithms that have been there for years that haven't been removed.
	I think my old account, because the account that you're, that I'm on right now, Crux, is my anonymous account from a long time ago.
	My name is Mike Smith.
	I have nothing to hide.
	I worked in Hollywood for 30 years.
	I worked as many different jobs.
	I was in the Screen Actors Guild, the Writers Guild, the Director's Guild.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But were you in the Film Actors Guild?
unidentified		Yes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You were in Fag.
unidentified		SAG, not FAG.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		No, that's from that's from Bigger, Longer, Uncut South Park.
		Oh, sorry.
		Making a South Park joke there.
		The film actors.
unidentified		So, can I just say, maybe, so maybe if Elon truly isn't behind it, then maybe by not being afraid and by us actually raising hell, seeing as we're already screwed anyway, we might actually help him save it because he might not be aware.
		He might be so high on everyone praising him.
		He's like, everything's fucking awesome.
		No, no, no, it's not awesome.
		It's fucking awesome.
		But if we're like, bro, we need to save X, like maybe we could start hashtag save X or something.
		Well, I think the first thing is sick or something.
		I think the first thing is to make him aware of it.
		Because I think we're so far under his radar.
		It does, I mean, he's dealing with major, major, major stuff all the time.
		I mean, think about us.
		We're small accounts on, you know, I have hundreds of thousands of followers.
		Liz, I mean, but that's not, I mean, Elon deals with tons of major, major issues.
		So I think you're right.
		But Owen's right, though.
		And Elon knows it.
		Otherwise, he wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't just a backdoor way to get us all to do facial recognition when we all swore we wouldn't, but because it's Elon, everyone's like, oh, well, it must be cool.
		But X is at X. If it wasn't for X, if it wasn't for Elon, we would not have the freedom to have the conversations we're having.
		Because until Elon bought X, I was off of everything.
		So if he realizes there's a problem, if we can bring it up to his level of understanding, he should actually want to take action to save the crown jewel.
		I guarantee you, I guarantee you, if Elon truly knew this, like was briefed on it, I think he would take action immediately.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and let me just add this.
		Let me just add this.
		I have not talked to X's monetization team.
		I've spoken to somebody who knows people on X's monetization team.
		I was told that it's a five-member team, and even they are.
		This is what I was told: you know, take it, take it, or leave it.
		But I was told even they are just like overwhelmed that they don't even know like what I agree with that.
unidentified		I agree with everything you're saying, brother.
		And you know what?
		I think you are 100% over the target.
		I think the fact that you're having this space bringing this topic to the forefront is a super positive, positive, plus, plus.
		I don't think people, I don't think they know about this stuff.
		Liz Croaken put herself so far out there in front of everybody.
		I mean, when we did Out of Shadows, nobody was talking about what we put out when we did that movie.
		That was four and a half years ago.
		And that movie had 100 million views in 10 months and was translated into 24 different languages.
		It moved the needle.
		It did something that no one was willing to do.
		And it got us banned off of everything.
		It got us, you know, labeled conspiracy theorists.
		Yeah, go watch Out of Shadows again.
		Tell me that's a conspiracy theory now.
		No, we were showing you stuff back then that's true now.
		It's all been proven true.
		Look at Into the Light.
		You want to see about AI and what it's doing?
		Go watch Into the Light.
		If you just, I mean, we, you know, Dins, thank God for Den's, but we put that movie on our own system because it couldn't be hosted anywhere else.
		If you want to watch it, you know, Out of Shadows is always going to be free.
		We gave it away for free.
		It's on, you know, if you go to into the light.movie.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's pinned to your X account, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, it's on my X account too.
		You just go to Crux, whatever my damn numbers are.
		I can't ever remember them.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		69,420.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, I was trying to be anonymous until I, you know, went public, but, you know, I mean, I'm not doing this to be some kind of like, I'm not doing this to, you know, be a person making money off of X. And by the way, you know, you put out a movie that gets 18 million views and you make $19 a month and you see people making thousands of dollars a month.
		I'm like, something's off here.
		Something's not really working.
		And if I can't, I mean, I get no engagement.
		I'm not bitching about it because I'm, you know, I'm a grown man.
		I don't give a shit.
		But at the end of the day, it's like I'm putting out information that I see people covering on every major news outlet.
		And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		We put that out.
		We showed.
		Yeah, we did that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know that feeling.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, Owen, I'm a big fan of yours, bro.
		I mean, you and Alex Jones, I mean, all you, what you're doing at InfoWars, I mean, like, look, you guys have been in the fight.
		I'm not, I'm nothing compared to what you guys do daily.
		You guys shoot, you shoot machine guns every day.
		I just sit back and watch, and I try to explain it to the people that are trying to wake up.
		Out of shadows, I just tried to say, hey, look, maybe you need to understand you're being manipulated.
		Maybe you need to.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, Out of the Shadows is one of those films that a lot of people attribute.
		You know, a lot of people attribute InfoWars to their red pill moment, let's say.
		A lot of people will attribute Out of the Shadows to their Red Pill moment because it's kind of, it's like so in your face, but at a very, it's, it's palpable and digestible, I think.
unidentified		I just was trying to say, hey, look, I'm not telling you what to believe.
		I'm just saying, hey, consider some things you might not have considered.
		And I'm not trying to give you the Michael Moore version of a documentary.
		I'm just trying to say, here's some information, process it, discern over it, and see what you think about it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of people, it's hard for people to digest InfoWars.
		And, you know, specifically probably the Alex Jones show.
		I try to make my show as digestible, presentable now for the average American than I used to, say, four years ago, six years ago, just because I see the gravity that we have now.
		And so, you know, that's kind of.
unidentified		Owen, you are brilliant at that.
		And I'm just going to, I mean, I'm like, I'm not trying to kiss your ass because I don't care, but I'm just telling you, you are brilliant at saying, when would I turn it off?
		You know what I mean?
		You walked out.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm a media addict, man.
		I mean, I'm a freak.
		I sit in front of like four screens with news rolling 24-7.
		So I know kind of where to direct people's attention and I know where to direct my attention.
		So I try to, I try to balance those things out.
		But, you know, again, folks, it's worth it.
		I mean, if you're listening to this, like, what are they talking about?
		Add outofshadows.org or into the light movie, into the light.movie.
		Guys, I'm going to wrap this up shortly.
		I just want to kind of open it up one last time.
		If anybody else wants to make any final comments here before we shut it down, hold it up in real quick.
unidentified		I just want to say this.
		Elon definitely knows.
		I can give you at least a half a dozen things he said that clearly confirms he knows what's going on.
		All you got to do is look at his tweets.
		He knows.
		That's all I'll say.
		Yeah.
		And what I want to add is: you asked before.
		What do you mean tells what's going on with the trial trafficking or knows what's going on with the shadow banning?
		He knows what's going on with the shadow banning.
		I mean, he's talked about Tweet Cred.
		He talked about his reputation score.
		He's talked about putting out the new algorithm, open source, which he's never done.
		He's talked about making smaller accounts more visible, boosting banger content.
		I mean, you just got to look at his words.
		He wouldn't be saying that if he didn't know that those were clear issues.
		Yeah, that's that's, I mean, he also said he would remove the labels from the accounts that were brought back.
		And we still have hundreds of thousands of accounts still banned from the purge in 2020.
		So there is a discrepancy on Elon's timeline.
		And I hope this happens.
		But to one of the things that you had asked, Owen, was the what topics are promoted and what are de-boosted.
		Some of the labels that we saw.
		So if you do discuss anything about the elections, well, particularly election fraud, child trafficking is a big one.
		Anything labeled as a conspiracy theory that's determined by the black box X system, they will all be de-boosted.
		We had one account that blew up and also went on, like it went under the Elon effect where one account got reposted by Elon.
		And then days later, she had a label on her account stating, oh, now she's a part of an experimental group, right?
		It was, I don't have the exact label with me, but it said that she was a financial influencer and should be promoted.
		That was the description of the Grok system.
		So a lot of these things, unfortunately, and it makes sense, Owen, when you said that the person you spoke to, the five team, the five guys on the monetization team, even they don't know how it works.
		And that makes sense because a lot of this is determined by an AI system.
		So when you train AI, unless the training data is open source, which no company would do, you won't really understand the entirety of the decision-making process.
		And I can give you an example that Elon might be unaware of some, like he might be aware of some things, but he's definitely unaware of others because just recently when he was a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast, he asked Jamie and Rogan to pull up Grok and, hey, let's make a joke.
		Can you roast a transgender person?
		And Grok, they tried four or five times and Grok kept giving a liberal perspective on the joke.
		And it shocked Elon.
		So you could go back to that interview with Frogan just a couple of days ago.
		And he was like, huh, this is very strange.
		We have to fix this.
		So that reaction tells me he's not fully aware of what's going on at X. So I'll land it there.
		I would say talking about crypto will definitely be one of those things that seems to get boosted because it seems to help every people that have already bought into crypto.
		They make more money the more they talk about crypto.
		If you look at the spaces, like half of the spaces are just crypto hype zones.
		It's like all it is.
		Ironically, that account I mentioned.
		Yeah, that account I mentioned was actually a crypto news influencer.
		And it's like dump and dump bill.
		Crypto makes you wonder if there's some money laundering going on.
		Like nobody knows what's going on in the monetization account.
		Even the monetization people don't know why people are getting billions of dollars left and right for no posts.
		Anyway, I think the more we talk crap about it, because it's, you know, whatever at this point, if we don't have free speech, what good is it?
		And if we can wake Elon up to the fact that there's an issue, or maybe now that he's loving the limelight, that everyone's sucking his D, that maybe if people do start talking a little crap to him, maybe he'll fix it.
		Well, oh, and I just want to say thank you for allowing me to have my voice tonight.
		And thank you for Liz and Den's.
		And this has been a great space.
		So thank you.
		I'd love to talk to you behind the scenes later if you ever have some time.
		Liz, you got, give him my number if you want to.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But Mike, you can shoot me a DM.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to follow you back right here.
unidentified		Thank you, brother.
unidentified		I really, I truly do appreciate you, brother.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Owen, thank you so much for giving this, giving us, you know, a voice and also like bringing attention to this.
		You know, Denz and I have been talking about this for a while.
		And, you know, a lot, I got a lot of blowback because, you know, everyone, you know, no one wants to criticize Elon because he's supporting Trump.
		And it's like, but, you know, like this is this stuff is happening.
		Like the same kind of censorship that happened, you know, at the old Twitter is happening here.
		And, you know, so I'm just so glad that, you know, more people are noticing and that you're bringing light to it.
		At the end of the day, I think you said it best when you said that, you know, what is being promoted and sold from people at X is not is disingenuous and it's not what's really happening.
		And I think for people like you, Mike Smith, you know, so many of us have been persecuted and we've been kicked off so many platforms.
		I've lost many jobs and all I want is just a level playing field.
		And that's what Elon said this platform is going to be.
		It is not a level playing field now.
		And so I just think all we really want is just a level, you know, playing field.
		I just think everyone wants to be treated fairly.
		Like that's all I want.
		And I think most people in this in this group, like we don't really care if Elon promotes us or doesn't promote us.
		We just want, you know, transparency and a level playing field.
		And unfortunately, that's not what's happening right now.
		And there are people at X that are claiming, oh, you know, if you come to X, you can make more money here.
		You could do this or that.
		And that's not true.
		You know, you can't because if you have these labels on your account, you're not going to be able to make the money that other accounts are making either without labels or the kind of money other accounts that have labels boosting them are making.
		And all these, you know, there's a ton of these accounts that are making a lot of money.
		And a lot of them also have spaces and they have some of them even have programs that they sell explaining how you can, you know, grow your account and make money on X. And it's like, well, all of that is a moot point if you have labels on your account.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I and I talked to many of those people and they didn't show up tonight.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to point that out.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And I noticed how some of these people are trying to gaslight you.
		And it's like, well, why are these people trying to gaslight you if you don't know who I am?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They think I'll just fold like a cheap tent and they pick the wrong one.
liz crokin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then we have that in common.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and well, I know that.
		And I'll just say this in closing, and I appreciate everybody being here.
		This is something I consider, I'll call it like a flare-up issue, meaning whenever there's a payout period, this thing kind of flares up.
		And so when people first started noticing the blatant discrepancies, and it became a bigger story, that was about two pay periods ago.
		That's when I shot my first video, famously, topless video.
		I did it for the impressions.
		Didn't boost my payout at all.
		I actually went down.
		But I noticed, okay, well, this is hot.
		Let me point this out now and see the response I get.
		Well, I got a massive response.
		So I did a follow-up after the last pay period, a little more clothed, and the response was even bigger, like five times as big.
		So, and I told a lot of the people too that said, hey, talk about this, talk about this, or let's do this.
		I said, well, I'll tell you what, call, or they want to even put people on blast and name individuals.
		I said, no, I'm not going to do that.
		That's not what this is about.
		But I said, let's see what happens next pay period.
		So, so I would guess next pay period, it will be another big issue.
		Let's see if the same accounts continue to brag about how much money they make.
		Let's see if the people continue to notice that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the payouts.
		And as more people, let's say, get a little sour or maybe even a little jealous about the haves and have-nots of X monetization, then it'll only become a bigger issue.
		More people will be willing to talk about this, and we will just be ahead of the curve.
		And I think that we talked to many of the experts tonight.
		So, I appreciate everybody's time.
		It's likely that we will do this again in a month.
		I'm guessing this story isn't going away.
		After the next pay period hits, I'm guessing that this issue will flare up again.
		So, I'm going to close the spaces for tonight.
		God bless and Godspeed to everybody in there.
		If you want to go back and watch the replay of this, it's at rumble.com/slash Owen, or the recorded replay should be available on X. Okay, we are now just with you in the Rumble audience.
		Thanks to everybody for being here tonight.
		What an epic time it's been, you know?
		What an epic time it's been, indeed.
		You know, yeah.
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owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you.
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		I will tell you, the war room kind of hangs in the balance tomorrow.
		I know that Alex is going to have some big things going down or some news tomorrow.
		And then we'll see the fate of InfoWars later this week as well.
		So I'm not sure the situation with the war room.
		I may or may not be hosting.
		It may be preempted by Alex Jones or some other technical things that are going to be tested.
		So, I may see you tomorrow.
		I'm doing an interview for a documentary tomorrow.
		I think I have another interview tomorrow, too.
		I don't know.
		I can't keep up.
		I got to go look at my schedule.
		But hopefully, I will see you on the war room again.
		But I guess right now, I just really don't know.
		Wow, that's kind of crazy to think.
		All right, that does it for tonight.
		God bless Godspeed.
		If I'm not on the war room tomorrow, I'll try to jump on here.
		How about that for a compromise?
		I'm not on the war room tomorrow.
		We'll jump on here for a live stream.
		Peace out.
unidentified		There was no train station.
		There was no downtown.
		I sometimes disappeared.
		All my favorite places.
		My city had been pulled down.
		Reduced to a game specific.
		I'm only going to go to Ohio
		But my family was gone.
		I stood on the back porch.
		There was nobody home.
		I was stunned and amazed.
		My childhood memories sort of swirled past like the wind through the cartoons.
		Hey, yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, hi, oh, hi.
		The farms of Ohio had been replaced by shopping malls and music filled the air from Seneca to Cahoga Falls.

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