Owen Schroyer and Alex Jones dissect Donald Trump’s shifting stance on the Epstein list, calling his dismissals as a "hoax" a betrayal of his base after past campaign promises. Callers speculate Trump may be under pressure—whether from blackmail, intelligence agencies like Mossad, or legal cover-ups—while Schroyer highlights systemic corruption, including fired DOJ official Maureen Comey’s alleged role in spiking Epstein-related cases. Frustration grows as younger generations, disenfranchised by economic stagnation and perceived institutional failures, turn toward radical alternatives. The episode ends with a pivot to supplements, but the core message remains: Trump’s credibility is crumbling, risking the GOP’s future unless accountability forces his hand. [Automatically generated summary]
And then this morning he quadruples down and then quintuples down.
So we're going to look at all the different angles of this.
And there are multiple angles, but there are things that are just undeniable.
There are things that are just undeniable.
And, you know, I'm not, we're no strangers to being attacked here.
And I saw him last night on CNN showing InfoWars clips.
And I see InfoWars at the top of Drudge.
And I see people attacking.
And, oh, you're not for Trump anymore.
You're not mad.
We've been through this.
It's not even worth addressing that, to be honest.
But here's what's significant about it.
And this is kind of the irony that Trump is the one not getting this, apparently.
Why would CNN be showing InfoWars clips as they're trying to jump into this chasm that has now been created in the MAGA coalition and to try to make it worse?
Why would Drudge, same people that run CNN, be posting InfoWars at the top of their stories, at the front of their page, their number one hit, the cover story?
Because they understand this is Trump's base.
And they understand this is the launch pad that got Trump across the finish line in the primaries.
This is the launch pad that beat the neocons, that beat the conservative media.
This was the launch pad for Trump.
And that's not to take anything away from Trump.
That's not to say that Trump didn't win in 2016 and 2020 and 2024, and he did it his own way.
It's not to take anything away from Trump.
It's to say that as far as political media is concerned, as far as a group of people is concerned, an organic political movement, this was the launch pad.
This is what changed the game.
And we were so effective at doing it in 2016, they had to ban us off the internet.
And we were so effective at what we do here that they had to sue Alex Jones and say he owes $2 trillion and shut him down.
So why are they showing InfoWars clips saying, oh, look at Trump losing his base?
Why are they linking InfoWars at the top of Drudge?
Because they get it.
This is the launch pad.
This is the most effective news team in the world.
It is the most game-changing 10 hours, now 12 hours of live transmissions every day right here.
It's the most organic.
It's the most pro-America.
It's the most pro-truth.
It's the most independent.
And this is where now truly organic political movements like MAGA, like Trump, can launch it, get the support of this audience, and then have political success.
So they know if you're losing the launch pad, you've gone to a different launch pad.
But it's not getting any better.
So instead of trying to throw water on the fire, Trump throws gasoline on it.
So we're going to have all these clips coming up for you today, and we will take tons of calls.
I promise you.
All right.
Where do we start today with Trump quintupling down, asking his supporters to abandon the Epstein story, to just give it up and move on?
And instead of after the first negative blowback, trying to put a wet blanket on it, now at this point, he has quintupled down and thrown a gallon of gasoline on it.
And it looks like he's got the whole oil reserves ready to pour on it if he feels.
So I've got the statement from last night, which was Trump tripling down.
I've got the statement from Trump this morning, which was Trump quadrupling down.
And then you've got his truth social post, which is probably the most distasteful of it all.
Now, before I go to this, I see a lot of people making excuses for President Trump.
Or maybe it might be better to say putting their faith in some plan that they know nothing about.
So I'd say it like this.
If I knew that there was a plan and this was all part of some plan to drain the swamp, arrest the deep state criminals, expose the sex trafficking pedophile rings, then Okay.
But I don't know that.
And nobody knows that.
What I do know is that Trump is telling us to move on from the Epstein files, a complete 180 on what he said during the campaign.
I know that Pam Bondi has flip-flopped with President Trump on the messaging for this multiple times, so nobody knows what's going on.
Nobody has their ducks in a row.
And I know that now President Trump is insulting his base, his original base.
Now, I don't take anything personally in politics, and I even understand political pragmatism.
I actually preach it over political purism.
So I can sit here and say, okay, well, look, if Donald Trump wants to initiate a divorce with his base, then that's his decision.
If Donald Trump decides he wants to run with the neocons and he wants to run with the political establishment and he wants to run with Netanyahu, the war criminal, and he wants to run with all the new Magatards that popped up in 2024, don't know really anything about politics other than just bark Trump twice when you're told, then fine, then he can make that decision.
And that's fine.
If he's done with us, I don't take it personally.
Whatever.
He's his own man.
He's going to make his own decisions.
I don't regret supporting Trump.
I don't regret voting for Trump.
I'm going to be thankful for all the good things he's done.
But he's the one initiating the divorce now.
It's not us.
If my friend's about to get married to a girl and I know she's cheating on him, and I go to my friend and I say, my friend Bob, I say, Bob, your fiancé's cheating on you.
She's been cheating on you for a while.
I was concerned about it.
Now I know what's going on.
It's really bad.
You shouldn't marry her.
And then Bob says, you know what?
You're not my friend.
I never want to see you again.
I never want to talk to you again.
You're no longer my friend.
Get out of my life.
Say, fine.
I tried to warn you.
Best of luck.
And then in two months when the approval ratings hit an all-time low, you say, yes, for this.
And in two months when Bob's wife is caught sleeping with her yoga instructor, you say, you asked for this.
Guys, let's get a chair and a microphone, please, Alex Jones, joining me in studio.
Another issue, too, and it's just funny because I'm listening to Alex earlier, and we're always synchronized, but with different angles, different perspectives.
He's been around much longer than me.
But I was also thinking the angle of, you know, Israel's control over our country now is so obvious, so in your face, so over the top that it's undeniable.
And it's creating this clash now, this inevitable clash.
So it's like they want blacks and whites fighting, or they want Hispanics and whites fighting, or they want the left and the right fighting.
Well, now they're building this whole new thing up.
They're crescendoing this whole new thing of, oh, everyone's going to turn against Israel and everyone's going to turn against Jews.
And so inevitably, that's where it's going.
When you have Netanyahu constantly coming to D.C., when you have the Israeli flags everywhere, and there is a huge, huge social media propaganda campaign, probably millions of dollars being spent.
And this is mostly the Johnny Cumb lately.
This is mostly, you know, the new MAGA.
And they're telling you, oh, you're just an anti-Semite if you question Israel.
And oh, Israel can do no wrong.
And, oh, you're a Qatar agent.
all this garbage.
That is all paid for propaganda.
So you see this whole thing building now, and then it's going to become this crescendo where everybody's going to be like, okay, well, this is too obvious.
You saw it at Turning Point USA.
This is so obvious.
Look at the control that Israel has over our administration, our Congress.
I mean, Jews basically run the whole thing.
And it's like, don't say that.
You're an anti-Semite.
What are you talking about?
Look at who works for Trump.
What do you mean?
Who's getting what they want?
Americans or Israel?
But see, it's like, oh boy, how do I even broach that?
I'm going to be called an anti-Semite.
I'm going to be put on a hate watch list.
So they're crescendoing this whole thing now, and that's the new divide and conquer.
And that's why I've said for a month now, I said, look, if you support Israel, you need to sit here and say Netanyahu is a problem.
And you need to sit here and say what's going on in the Gaza Strip is too much now.
But they can't.
They just continue to support it and they continue to shove it in their face.
And now Israel's bombing Lebanon and Jordan and Syria and the Gaza Strip and Iran.
So why?
So why is this happening?
Is Trump being held hostage?
Or the big Q theory, save Israel for last?
I mean, I mean, there's no doubt the topic of Israel has never been bigger.
Never been bigger.
So big now that it was the number one thing at the Turning Point USA event this weekend.
That's how big this is.
That's how undeniable this is.
And then they want to try to curtail that and they want to try to maneuver that and say, no, no, no, it's Qatar.
Neutral Observations About Makeup Controversy00:15:38
No, we're having real political conversations, geopolitical conversations.
We're having obviously neutral observations about what's going on here.
So then they just keep saying, no, it's not happening.
It's like the same thing.
There is no Epstein client list.
There is no Israeli influence.
It's Qatar.
And then naturally, people go the opposite direction.
But I'm off base.
What's sad is now, and I can't believe this underestimate.
Who is ever underestimating this stuff or giving Trump this bad advice or if it's Trump himself?
Look, Trump's almost 80 years old.
He's wearing more makeup than he's ever worn before.
He's even wearing makeup on his hands now.
He's wearing makeup on his hands for whatever reason.
I don't know.
For a nearly 80-year-old man, he works more than just an average 20-year-old man.
So normally, the independent press that would put their full support behind Trump, it's not that we would run cover for the Trump administration, but it's like, okay, I can decide, am I going to prioritize putting pressure on this administration to actually arrest the deep state criminals, go after the Biden crime family, go after the Autopenn scandal?
Or it's like, okay, now you want to throw us overboard.
So it's like, well, okay, maybe I start to run with some of these stories that I'm getting about what's happening behind the scenes with Trump.
Maybe I decide I want to start running with some of these stories about Cash Patel.
What he's really up to, what he's really into, what he's trying to do with the new FBI jet.
I know the White House, I know D.C. thinks they're about to buy off this big story about a congressman that's about to come out that might implicate other members of the Trump administration.
I know you think you're going to bury that.
I don't like to scoop other people and other news outlets have it.
We'll see if they want to run with it.
They might try to buy them off.
It's not going to work.
It's all going to come out.
So if you think throwing the people overboard, that could actually make sure this doesn't become the biggest story and can stay focused on the real issues and the real deep state criminals.
But no, no, no, you threw us overboard and now you give us no choice.
And I would be stunned if Dan Bongino lasts much longer.
I think Dan Bongino, who, by the way, he does love Israel, but I don't think he's blackmailed.
I think Bongino is going to realize if he hasn't already, just like Jen Saki did in the Biden years, the longer I stick around here, the lower my integrity gets in the public perspective.
And how am I going to go have a career in political media if that happens?
I'd be shocked if Bongino lasts, I mean, I'd say to the end of the year, even that might be a stretch.
Even that might be a stretch.
It might be before that.
And if you lose Bongino, folks, that's just like, that's just total alarms.
That's just, if Bongino leaves, that's just red flags, sirens, alert, alert, alert is what's going on.
So joining me now in studio here, Alex Jones.
Well, Alex, I said this while you were listening outside.
I said the reason they're using InfoWars to say, see, Trump's been abandoned is because they know this was his launch pad, this was his base, and he's decided to divorce us.
I mean, that's like saying there's only one fish in the ocean.
So this is preposterous.
And so I don't relish having to really take on Israel as currently the main threat to our country.
But the people running it right now, and Benjamin was very unpopular, really are making a run at the country.
And Epstein was Mossad, MI6, CIA.
It's all the same thing.
Maxwell's dad, family business, Mossad, Buried Mount of Olives, MI6, mainstream news.
And so the claim that we are hearing, the claim that we're being given that there's just no such thing as this is preposterous in Trump to say, yeah, we're going to release it a year ago.
Now there's nothing there.
There's nothing to release.
Okay, we're going to release it.
Okay, if you want it released, you're a traitor.
You're a Democrat dude.
You're excommunicated out of MAGA.
And then flip-flop again and have John Solomon come out, who's a very accurate reporter, and Solomon come out and say, no, I met with Trump yesterday.
They're doing the special prosecutor, which I heard from sources yesterday.
It was true.
So we first broke that.
So it's like, we're going to investigate.
I'll tell Bonnie to release it.
There's nothing there.
You're crazy if you ask questions.
You couldn't create a greater Streisand effect.
So I'm asking a very serious question right now.
Is President Trump being held hostage to blackmail?
Is it somebody in his family implicated?
And again, he's a smart guy.
Why would he be flailing around saying, don't look at this or you're a traitor when anybody knows one-on-one, if you like, we'll make a mistake in an interview or report.
And I will, in the past, I would pull it just because it was wrong, but I noticed whatever I pulled, they would project some conspiracy on.
So I now leave it up and put a correction on top of it.
Because, you know, if it's a 30-minute piece, they'll find something in it and claim I was covering that up.
No, I'll get a fact wrong.
Or like today, I said the Iranian prime minister is there today.
It was the Bahranian.
I just wasn't paying attention.
And so we're not going to cut that out of the show because it'll become some big conspiracy.
So I know about the Stryzan effect.
And people that don't know, you should look it up.
But it's real simple.
If your dad says, don't get in this drawer, in the chest or drawers when I'm gone, which my dad never did.
But the point is, hypothetically, that's where the Playboy magazines are.
As soon as dad leaves, you're going right there to see what's there.
And so the Q people are like, this is 85 quadrillion, quadrillion, infinity, mega massive, beyond God, super chess, next level.
And I've been wanting to say this a few months.
I have it because I don't want to help our enemies overall.
Trump's been a good force.
I know people are very close to Trump.
And it's not like Megalomania where he's on a power trip.
He's so committed and thinks he's right after they tried to kill him and all this pressure.
Instead of him collapsing under pressure, he kind of like, I'm not really a Marvel fan, but I didn't see the old Superman or Batman, whatever it is, with Doomsday, like 15 years ago or whatever it was.
The more you attack him, the stronger he gets.
But in the process, he becomes a monster.
And I've kind of under pressure, having to level up, gotten more aggressive.
And so I got to control it.
I'm only 51.
So I can't imagine at 78, what's going on with him in the 80 trillion chess?
I mean, it's infinity chess.
It's beyond infinity.
It's beyond God.
And being sarcastic.
So this is really a tragedy.
I hope he course corrects.
But I mean, in the space of yesterday, yeah, we're doing a special council.
Yeah, Bondi.
Yeah, it's reasonable.
Laura Trump, yeah, he wants to set it right.
Lutnick, hours later.
Nope, we're not looking at it.
No discussion.
You're a traitor as we do it.
And then three times in a press conference today, hell, that was hours ago.
We're going to open up the phone lines at the end of this segment.
I'm going to play the clips and finish my analysis.
But yesterday, and this clip went relatively viral on X, and there was other people clipping it, when I talked about if what Trump is saying about the Epstein files being modified essentially is true, then that's a criminal offense.
And there need to be criminal referrals and investigations.
So he was meaning to talk about that, and then we just ended up going a different direction.
And he said, you need to re-emphasize that.
So what Trump has asserted is that we can't trust what's in the Epstein files because the Democrats, and I'm assuming he's talking about when Biden was in office, but even the messaging on that is mixed.
He didn't even realize that Epstein died when he was in his first term.
And Comey was long gone by the time Biden got into office.
So even with that, there's mixed messaging, but whatever, he's clearly spiraling on the issue.
But if it's true that the Democrats altered the files or planted stuff into the files to incriminate Trump or other people within Trump's family or sphere of influence, so if the Democrats edited any legal documents, FBI documents, court documents, that is a crime.
And they need to be charged.
And the criminal referrals need to go to Pam Bondi's desk.
And then there's the problem.
So President Trump, we the people are with you.
We want you to arrest the deep state criminals.
We want you to arrest the people that have tried to take everything from you, including your life.
We want the people arrested that have done the harms to this country and lied about you and lied about us and set you up.
But if you're going to tell us that the Democrats altered the files, that's a crime.
And the FBI needs to investigate.
And Pam Bondi needs to start looking at criminal charges.
So you make the claim, that's a crime, then let's see the charges.
Let's see the investigation.
We're with you.
But don't come out here and tell us, hey, they committed a crime, they altered the files, so just get over it.
That doesn't make any sense.
It actually makes it worse.
So not only was the pedophile Epstein with all of his friends going and hanging out on the island and doing God knows what, going over to Zorro Ranch in New Mexico and doing God knows what, with former Israeli prime ministers and others going over to his New York mansion and doing God knows what.
So as if that's not as bad, now you're saying, oh, well, all the legal documents and the court documents have been altered by the Democrats.
So not only are we told to forget about the criminals running around with Epstein and all the sex slaves and all the pedophiles, not only are we supposed to forget about that, now you're telling us a crime was committed in the legal documents.
So then let's see the investigations.
Let's see the criminal referrals.
Let's see Pam Bonnie and Cash Patel get to work.
And this actually goes back to something Cash Patel said about the FBI about a year ago.
You may remember.
He said, we have to let them be cops.
So go be cops.
I'll have more on that coming up.
This is Trump last night.
This was the triple down on the Epstein disaster.
This was Trump tripling down last night in clip one.
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Mr. President, I know you want to move past all this intrigue over the Epstein copy.
Mr. President, I know you've urged people to move on, but I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular have been so interested in the Epstein story?
You're making us go there because we have to make sense of this.
You don't understand why it's a big deal.
Oh, he was a life loser.
Making billions of dollars as a quote-unquote financier.
The banks had to be investigated and make payouts.
All of the victims, Pam Bonnie said it was thousands.
He was hanging out at your clubs.
He was recruiting women at your clubs.
You thought it was a big deal.
You put an end to it.
You cooperated with the feds.
So what is this you don't know?
You don't understand why it's a big deal?
He had no influence.
He hung out with billionaires.
He flew him on his private jets.
He had access to billions of dollars.
He had a damn private island.
Hanging out with presidents, prime ministers.
And then there's Lutnik sitting next to him laughing.
You're a bad person if you talk about this?
So that was the triple down.
Then I guess technically, if we're going into the chronological order, this would have been the quadruple down when he posted this on Truth Social today.
The radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again.
Just like with the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, what Democrats swore had come from Russia, it came from Hunter Biden, and even Russia-Russia-Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made-up story in order to hide crooked Hillary Clinton's big loss in the 2016 presidential election.
These scams and hoaxes are all good, are what the Democrats are good at, which is all they have.
They're no good at governing, no good at policy, and no good at picking winning candidates.
Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like glue.
Well, yeah, they're an occult.
We're not.
In case you haven't noticed, I guess some people are an occult, so I can't say all of us.
Their new scam is what will forever be called the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
And my past supporters have bought into this bullshit.
Hook, line, and sinker.
So his past supporters, that's him initiating the divorce.
Even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years, I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history.
Yeah, that ain't selling.
And all these people want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake news and the success-starved Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats' work.
Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success because I don't want their support anymore.
Doubling down on the divorce.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Make America great again.
Yeah, that's lost all meaning.
From you, at least.
So how is it that Bongino and Bondi and Patel and Trump himself and many other members of his administration all talked about the Epstein client list during the Biden years?
All talked about it.
And how serious it was.
And now it's a Democrat hoax.
It went from a Democrat cover-up to a Democrat hoax.
It's ridiculous.
And this is what he's trying to sell you, and he says you're bad if you don't buy it.
It's – It's beyond political Bizarro world.
It's beyond political Groundhog Day.
It's complete insanity.
And really, you can only land on a few different potentials here, which is either they've got to Trump, whether it's him or his family.
I mean, someone tried to kill him multiple times.
That can influence a guy.
Or whatever reason, he's just made a deal with Netanyahu for some other means.
For some other ends, to cover this up for the Mossad.
I mean, or I guess, yeah, okay, this is all cue coming true, but I have no proof of that.
There's no evidence of that.
And if that ends up being the case, then great.
Then we all win.
But I don't see how you slice this any other way.
Now, here's Trump quintupling down earlier today from the Oval Office, clip one.
unidentified
Mr. President, I know you want to move past all this intrigue over the Epstein files, but I do want to ask you to clarify something you said this morning.
You said this was all a hoax.
Has your attorney general told you this was a hoax?
You had Christopher Bray and these characters in Comey before.
And it's a bad group.
It started.
Actually, look at the steel dossier.
That turned out to be a total hoax.
The 51 agents, the intelligence, so-called intelligence agents, was a hoax.
It's all been a big hoax.
It's perpetrated by the Democrats.
Some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net.
And so they try and do the Democrats' work.
The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes.
They're bad for policy.
They're bad for picking candidates that can get elected.
We have a communist running.
He may get elected too extra, but he'll destroy the city.
No, no, I call it the episode hoax.
It takes a lot of time and effort instead of talking about the great achievements we've had.
Yesterday, as you know, when I was the NBC and he made the statement that Trump thinks of them as the greatest president of all the United States, instead of talking about the things we've achieved, we've had tremendous achievements.
They're wasting their time with a guy Really doing the Democrats' work.
And now, again, is this just like, is this a hell thing?
I'm serious.
I'm just trying to figure it out.
Because I don't want to think President Trump is a liar.
But this is an outright lie.
So to compare this to the actual Democrat hooks, but see, he knows, I think he knows what he's doing.
He knows now that he's got a bunch of newcomers that support him that are basically just low IQ MAGATARDS.
I don't know what else to call them.
They're just low IQ MAGATARDS.
And he knows, oh, all I have to do is, all I have to do is say it's just like these other hoaxes.
And they'll nod their head and say, yeah, oh, yes, it is.
Yep.
And so you've got that, and you've got the people that have just built their entire personality, their entire platform off of Trump and MAGA.
That's all they have.
So there's nowhere else they can go.
If they say anything negative about Trump, then they have nothing else.
No, Epstein died when you were president.
The Epstein files or the second round of them, that happened.
He was arrested when you were president.
Now, if the Democrats went in there and modified the files and put stuff in the files and tried to entrap you or other people in the files that are there now, well, then that's a crime.
And so you're accusing them of a crime.
So I want prosecutions.
I want investigations and prosecutions.
Or are you just making that up to?
Which one is it?
So are you going to say they committed a crime and then we're not going to investigate it?
And I did this, I believe it was Monday on the Jones show.
But, you know, you want to do this, President Trump.
You want to play this game.
It was Acosta with all the other deep state lawyers that cut Epstein the deal that then a New York prosecutor said, no, this deal is illegitimate.
And Acosta connected to Bill Barr, connected to Brett Kavanaugh.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, folks.
They all worked at the same law firm that cut Jeffrey Epstein the sweetheart deal, that cut Epstein the pedophile, the sweetheart deal.
And in that deal that Acosta was a part of, who then became Trump's, a member of Trump's administration in his first term, when they brought Epstein back because they said Acosta's deal was no good, they even said in that deal that all co-conspirators could not be charged.
All co-conspirators would be exonerated.
So yeah, there is an Epstein client list.
And Maxwell is in prison for running a sex trafficking ring with Jeffrey Epstein.
And there were minors involved.
And that's just what we know.
That's just what we know.
Oh, is Maxwell in jail for a hoax?
Should we free Elaine Maxwell, too?
Did her father not fall off a boat, known Mossad agent?
No, it was your administration.
It was your guy, Acosta.
It was your Attorney General, Bill Barr, son of Donald Barr, who recruited Jeffrey Epstein.
It was the law firm with Kavanaugh and Acosta and other Trump associates that cut Epstein the sweetheart deal.
It was Lutnick that was his neighbor.
That's what I'm saying.
He's like, do you really want to play this game with us?
From his first term, you know, when they brought Epstein in and then he killed himself in the prison with your doctored little video that you put out trying to convince us that that's the case.
What about this Trump from the first term in clip five?
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Bill expands the Twist are involved except for Epstein's best.
But you know anybody that's been through divorce, it gets nasty here.
It gets real nasty.
This is horrifying.
Top U.S. pollster.
Trump's approval rating is one point away from the lowest net approval rating he's ever had.
It all started with the Iran strikes, then the Musk Doge fallout, then the dirty sales techniques for the Big Beautiful Bill, now telling you to forget about the Epstein files.
I mean, this thing is just off the rails, man.
And it's pretty clear.
A couple things are pretty clear.
And, you know, I'll kind of tiptoe around it for now, but notice that there are people that are willing to call out any member of the Trump administration except Susie Wiles.
And that's because Susie Wiles is controlling them and feeding them information.
So they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
But it's pretty clear the Big Beautiful bill was all about a huge business deal.
That's what it was.
It was a huge business deal.
And a lot of people got rich.
It was corrupt.
And you start to look more into Susie Wiles and her involvement with Mercury Public Affairs and her involvement with Benjamin Netanyahu.
And it all starts to make more sense.
It all starts to make more sense, ladies and gentlemen.
And this is all public information.
And Susie Wiles is cutting deals to friendly AI companies, and they're all about to make out with billions of dollars now.
And they've all got it into this big, beautiful bill.
And Wiles running the old consulting firms, now running the White House.
Wiles running Netanyahu's campaign, now running Trump's.
I'm certainly not going to shut up when I'm told to.
But it's just none of it makes any sense other than to say, Trump, did they get you?
Are you okay?
Do you need our help?
Blink twice if you're in distress.
Or did he sell us out?
Or is he going through his own personal stuff mentally, physically, good or bad, whatever it is with everything he's been through, and he's just on his own now, just doing his own thing now?
We didn't initiate this divorce.
I don't even want this divorce.
I don't even look at it like that.
I've always been independent.
I've always been loyal to the truth.
I'm always going to, with the audience we have at InfoWars or whatever audience I have, I'm going to just tell you the truth.
I'm going to call it as I see it.
So it's not about us.
It's about the MAGA movement.
It's about Trump's base and he's saying, I'm done with you.
We're divorced.
So, okay.
But, you know, you've seen how nasty divorces can get.
You've seen how nasty divorces can get when they're in the public, too.
And accusations start getting made and other things start going public.
And some of those skeletons in the closet start to get out.
It's like, I don't want to open the closet.
I don't want the skeletons to come out.
I don't want this to be some nasty thing.
But okay, you want to do this.
What do you think is going to happen?
And you want to talk about the Democrats.
Yeah, they're the ones that are going to lie.
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And all you've done is now given them the ammo to lie.
The outrage that MAGA has been expressing toward President Trump and his administration for the last week to 10 days over the Epstein debacle is not because they came out and told us that the evidence that they have indicates that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, nor is it because they said that the evidence they have indicates that there was no client list.
Most of us were sufficiently savvy to recognize that deep state puppets like Merrick Garland and Chris Ray were likely to destroy any incriminating evidence relating to third parties before you guys would get in there.
So we're not surprised by that.
We're not upset with that.
What's so upsetting is your refusal to do something that Cash Patel said long before he became head of the FBI, and that was to be cops.
Go out there and be cops.
So the file that you have has nothing in it?
Boohoo.
Go out there and be cops.
Go talk to Alex Acosta, prosecutor who signed that non-prosecution agreement and that sweetheart deal and said that he felt pressure because of Epstein's ties to intelligence communities.
Find out what it is that he was told.
Go get a court order.
Alan Dershowitz has his hand in the air swearing to God that there's an Epstein list, that he's seen it.
He knows names on it.
He says he can't talk to you because of attorney-client privilege.
Well, go get a court order saying his client is dead and directing him to talk to you.
It's not that hard.
It's not just him.
It's his entire legal team there.
There's Lefkowitz and other attorneys who all likely know names on the list.
Go after Sarah Kellen.
Many people may not know who she is, but she was basically Ghelaine Maxwell 2.0.
She was running the same role.
She's never even been prosecuted yet.
Go turn on her.
Go prosecute her in the Southern District of New York.
Whatever MPA immunity she would have gotten in the Southern District of Florida is not going to apply to her in New York the same way it didn't help shield Ghelaine Maxwell.
And then you can use that to pressure her, to start telling you lists of names, who was involved, when, where, dates.
Go talk to the FBI agents who were conducting investigations back in 2007, the first time they got Epstein.
Go talk to the other investigators who put together the file in 2019.
Go to the original source.
Be cops.
Be cops.
You can't undo the bumbling message that came out about this story, basically going back to February of this year.
That cannot be undone, but that can be forgotten.
That gets forgotten if you actually start getting indictments.
If you actually say we're actively pursuing this, that we will be undeterred, and that we're going to give you the results of this investigation.
Folks, I'm telling you right now, this is only going to get weirder.
And I'd like to sit here and think that they can correct course or get this train back on the tracks.
I just don't see it anymore.
And I think Trump's last statement is kind of him saying, nope, not going to happen.
So things are just going to get weirder.
There's things that I know that are going to happen that are going to make things get a lot weirder.
And then there's probably things I don't even know that nobody can anticipate they're going to make things even weirder.
But you know what I find ironic is Trump is sitting here telling you you're going to go down with the Epstein hoax.
The Epstein hoax is going to be the end of you.
And I'm like, man, talk about blind irony.
It's like, look at what is happening right now.
What does that even mean?
We're going to go down with the Epstein hoax.
That's going to be our downfall.
Falling for a hoax?
What are you talking about?
You're the one in your administration.
You brought Epstein back in.
Then he died in jail.
It was your guys that had prior relations with Epstein.
Epstein isn't the fall of us for demanding answers.
This is going to be the fall of you.
And so it's just crazy to sit here and witness it.
So I just don't see a course correct coming.
I think things get even crazier from here.
I don't see how Bongino sticks around.
Who knows?
Maybe he even has a new press secretary before long.
No, no, the Epstein scandal is not the end of the media.
It's not going to be the fall of the independent media that wants answers here for the scandal that your administration embraced, promoted, and Bondi Multiple times.
It's like scoring a touchdown in the Super Bowl, and then a flag comes onto the field and it's like, oh, holding penalty.
It's like, ah, didn't get a touchdown and said we lost 10 yards.
That's what this is like.
Like getting Trump elected again and seeing all the agenda items and things moving forward and a lot of good people in there now, a lot of more access.
It was like, oh, wow, it's like that touchdown.
And then you turn around and there's the flag on the field and it's, oh, nope, actually holding, going back 10 yards.
Yeah, by the way, the Biden crime family, the Auto Pen scandal, Pam Bondi's giving them enough time to run out the clock and get their story straight.
And they're having these closed-door hearings.
They're just pleading the fifth now.
Oh, we're pleading the fifth.
We don't know anything about an Auto Pen.
We didn't know anything about Joe Biden's health.
We didn't know anything about the president's health.
We didn't lie.
We know nothing.
Plead the fifth.
Plead the flip.
Plead the fifth.
But don't worry.
If you make a cup of coffee with an anti-Semitic name, you're getting busted.
Oh, yeah.
You go out to a protest at a college with a Palestinian flag, you're getting deported.
But you know the Biden crime family and all the money laundering and selling the country out and the auto-penn scandal and, hell, I don't know, a pedophile running a giant sex island.
You want anything with that?
See ya.
Done with you, but we'll stop you from being anti-Semitic.
I promise you that.
That's a guarantee.
And that's winning.
So you got all this going on.
It's just, oh, and by the way, Israel's bombing again today, too.
Israel's bombing Syria again today, too.
So we have peace in the Middle East, according to President Trump.
Yeah, Israel's just bombing the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Iran.
And then Netanyahu comes here and makes Trump lick his boots.
It's great.
It's fantastic.
Just keeps winning.
And my fear now is that Trump is turning on his base is he goes into retribution mode against us and starts to just do things that we don't like just because that's what he's going to start doing.
Which is not good.
So it's like you already kind of see it.
It's like, oh, yeah.
We're going to send more weapons to Ukraine now.
Oh, great.
What's next?
Another Iran strike?
I know the funding, the aid continues to pour into Israel.
Oh, my gosh.
All right.
Let's start taking phone calls.
And we'll start right here in Texas with Mason in Texas.
I listen to you guys every single day, and I like the fact that You're not letting, and you're not, you're putting a pedal to the metal and you're slamming it down, man, on this.
Like, you're not easing up on it because they, listen, the independent media has to be so powerful on this and pushing this Epstein thing to where the government, the deep state, whoever, whoever the hell it is, is just so fed up, they're going to have to, something has to break.
And I just want to make one more other quick point.
I commend you on that, Ellen.
I really commend you that you're pissed off for good reasons, and we shouldn't let it go.
I mean, we should, you know, we're not letting our, you know, not let it control every aspect of our life, but you have a platform and you have a lot of viewers there, and you got to make it known.
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But second quick point, just wanted to commend you on that.
And second quick point is that my intuition, and I'm telling you, I'm willing to bet a lot of money that Trump is definitely protecting something, if not blackmail, against him.
I honestly personally believe, and I don't care what anybody says, that I really believe that he was involved in this violence deal with Epstein to some degree either indirectly, either he made money from this consortium and sex operation, or he was involved with, God forbid, the worst things that went on there.
I'm sorry, my gut is telling me he was involved directly or indirectly.
I mean, that's just, again, to deny that is just ridiculous.
And again, you have to look at all the angles.
If Trump is being held hostage with something and he's, you know.
That's what's so, again, it's so funny.
That's why whether it's a guy getting screwed over on a business deal and you warn him or your friend who's about to get married to this girl that's cheating on him, it's like, no, you do the right thing.
You say your fiancé is cheating on you.
Your business partner is stealing money from you.
So it's like if Trump is being held hostage or blackmailed or something like that, what do you think he wants?
You think he wants some lap dog?
Just, oh, yes, Trump, whatever you say.
Oh, yes.
Do you think that's what he wants?
Some pathetic lap dog?
Or do you think he wants someone putting the pressure on this when he can't?
Let's go to, let's go to, thank you for the call, Rich.
I wish I could have hours to spend with you on this because, as I told you, Screener, I'm basically one of those laymen who has really studied this.
That's the whole reason I got into studying general drill assemblies and American common law grand juries, which for those with a memory, even Alex said we need to restore those a couple years back when I was on the phone with him.
So do you want wrinkles today in this issue or do you want solutions?
I'm going to give something classical that the conspiratorium world knows about.
They once upon a time had a thing called the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and they said it was a hoax because there was incorrect information in it.
But if people pay attention, yes, it seems certain Zionists are following the script in that document.
Was that the same group of people that turned into AIPAC?
It used to be some Zionist coalition, and Kennedy tried to make them register as a foreign agent.
They were pressuring, they were lobbying DC to let Israel get a nuclear weapon, and Kennedy shut that down.
A month later, he was shot and killed.
And then Israel got the nuclear secrets, and then they shut down Israel having to register as a foreign lobby, and then they reset it and called it APAC.
No, that document was before even World War II, and it was used to show that supposedly the Jewish people are going to create a new world order, one world government type document.
Ben-Gurion, if you want to look at Kennedy and the nuclear issue, look at Ben-Gurion, and you'll be like, holy smokes, there's something there.
Sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.
The point about that document being called a quote-unquote hoax is in spycraft, just like when Orwell put out information and then shortly died a year or two after 1984, you put out some disinfo in your documents so you can then say, hey, I'm putting out something out there, but oh, gee, it's conveniently a hoax.
And we saw that happen with election info, with Mike Lindell, with that, what was his face?
Monkey Works.
He put out a poison pill that discredited all the other good info Mike Lindell had out there.
So this happens in these documents.
The Democrats probably did put poison pills, so there's a way around this, a solution.
How about we audit every evidence locker employee that had access to those documents from the time the file was started until Pat Bondi had the raid?
And then we could see who opened those logs and altered those logs at certain times.
We'll know those are the people that made the alterations.
And because they mishandled those federal documents, their asses, pardon my French, are on the line.
We, the people, can put pressure on it, but it doesn't lead to results necessarily.
But yeah, there's a bunch of different ways to handle this.
There's a bunch of different ways, even if you believe this at face value, that they've doctored the documents to do investigations and find it out.
There's no interest.
That's what this comes down to, folks.
They don't care.
They don't care.
And now it's coming directly from Trump.
So you can't blame Bondi.
You can't blame Patel.
It's coming from Trump.
So yeah, of course, if Trump's not putting pressure on the FBI or the DOJ to do anything about it, they're not going to do anything.
They're getting pressure to combat anti-Semitism.
And look, I mean, I can sit here and say, okay, yeah, the border is shut down.
It's absolutely true.
Trump administration has brought in a bunch of investments.
We're trying to get trade deals squared away.
It's like, okay, that's good stuff.
But this idea that somehow it's the perfect presidency, like he's saying, he's the greatest president of all time now.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
But that's what's so frustrating.
You could Be the greatest president of all time.
You could be, but the rate we're going right now, you're trending into Obama territory, where it didn't take long in Obama's second term that his voters started to turn on him when he started bombing all these different countries and not delivering on his promises.
Yeah, and Netanyahu's got his own problems in Israel, by the way, with the Orthodox party.
And so he's now sparring with the ultra-Orthodox party that is trying to stop Netanyahu from doing this ultimate damage to Israel and the Israelis and Jews worldwide.
But Netanyahu doesn't seem to care about that.
We're going to continue to take calls here.
You know, I do have other news, but part of the purpose here is also to stay in tune with the audience and then project that like a bat signal.
And it's extremely valuable right now.
And, you know, like I've said, just so people have the understanding here, I'll do like 5% maybe media critique here on air just to kind of tell you what's going on in the media landscape.
I mean, I could do a whole show on it.
I mean, I probably have a problem.
I'm addicted to consuming political media.
It's probably a problem.
But I'm just telling you, you can go anywhere.
Conservative talk radio, C-SPAN, social media, anywhere where it's a two-way street.
When I'm out in public talking to people, anywhere you go, and this is brought up, and it's a two-way street, and it's a conversation, callers into talk radio, social media replies, everybody is saying the same thing.
This is not, it's not an isolated issue.
This isn't just an Owen Schroyer or an Alex Jones or all these other people.
No, no, no.
This is a major base issue.
And Trump just came out an hour ago and says, we're going to crush it in the midterms.
I see what people are saying about where the administration is going.
I see what people are saying about the Epstein cover-up.
It's not good.
I see the most accurate pollsters in America showing Trump's approval rating going down.
Now, I'm not somebody that's spiteful politically.
Like, I'm not going to go start voting for Democrats or promoting Democrats.
But, you know, there's other people out there.
There's other ideologies out there.
And they count whether you like it or not.
And there will be people that vote for Democrats out of spite.
And there will be people on the right that decide we're just not going to vote in the midterms.
That is the reality.
Whether you like it or not.
So the real world evidence is this has been a disaster.
Trump is hemorrhaging support.
I mean, this is like a boxer taking a fall, man.
Oh, we're going to crush it in the midterms.
You know what?
You might be able to get away with all of this if you do the redistricting and you erase all the Democrat gerrymandering and you correct the census numbers with only U.S. citizens.
If you can do all that and get it done before the midterms, you might be able to save the House.
You might.
You might.
But without that, zero chance.
It's like, imagine you're Trump.
You're trying to clear your name of all of this.
It's just the exact opposite, man.
It's just the exact opposite, which is why it's just so crazy.
A little disappointed in law enforcement in general.
As the ex-deputy sheriff, got a couple years in there, so I got to see both sides of the story here.
You know, the left has no shortage of whistleblowers and Colonel Vindemans and Milleys.
Where are the good guy whistleblowers?
How many officers from the original jurisdiction up to the federal level have seen or handled any of the Epstein cases and victims charges and accusations?
We're going on, what, how many 20 years?
And none of these officers, no one kept the file, no one took pictures, no one had log books, and no one's coming forward.
How many victims advocates, you know, the women's abuse shelters that have, you know, all these good guys.
I'll let you finish here, but look at it like this.
The top Epstein victims that went public are dead.
So, you know, that'll scare people into submission.
And you mentioned these whistleblowers on the left.
Many of them committed crimes, but not many of them actually faced justice.
So that's the difference.
You know, that's why I had the guest on yesterday who got booted out of the Pentagon for asking real questions about what was going on in the Trump administration.
They just kicked her out.
So it's like, not only will the left try to criminally punish you if you're a whistleblower on the right, they'll come after you with the full force of the law.
Even the right will come after you.
So yeah, I mean, they do a great job.
If you're, I mean, look at what they did to Snowden.
Look at what they did to Assange.
Look at what they did to the Epstein victims that spoke out.
So, I mean, the message is loud and clear.
If you're on the Left and you come out as a whistleblower, you might get away with it.
You might be okay.
Some of them end up in jail, but you know what?
Some of them end up getting off, no problem.
But if you're on the right, oh, you're done.
You're done.
The best case scenario, you lose your job.
Worst case scenario, you're facing life in prison.
You know, there's millions more of us than there are the elite.
And, you know, if we can come together, and it's not, we can't have, we can't put all our eggs in one basket with Trump.
He's falling apart right now.
Maybe he gets him back on track.
But if we all really, truly want justice, this is going to turn into eat the rich and the pitchforks and torches in the future.
People are not going to stand for this much longer.
And it's on the left and the right.
People, the pedophile rings and all those injustices, I really fear that Trump's mishandling of this is going to ignite something that I don't think we can handle.
They're talking about whatever they might be hiding might collapse the economy and these big social elites and businessmen might be covered up.
Well, if we're going to die in a nuclear war with China or Russia or Ukraine, we're going to collapse anyway.
I'd rather have someone to be mad at.
I'd rather be mad at my local pedophile than Vladimir Putin.
You know, there's got to be a breaking point, and I'm fearing that day is coming.
Yeah, and I think we kind of addressed that earlier.
And again, I don't run through talking points with Alex.
And there's a lot of times where we have different perspectives and opinions.
And then there's times where it's like we're seeing the exact same thing.
And so as I'm just going through my processing, Matthew, thank you for the call.
And then Alex basically said very similar thought processing here.
It's like now people looking for the fall guy or somebody to blame, it's going to be Israel.
And then that'll eventually just become blame all the Jews.
And so that's not where we want this to go.
You've got Glenn Beck saying, oh, look, America might become the 110th country to kick Jews out.
I'm not saying I agree that that's going to happen, but it's just like that's where it's going.
Somebody, the outrage of the people is going to get aimed at somebody.
And so you can talk about the rise of Hitler and you could use that historical context.
People are sick of it.
But just like you said, it's like, well, who do you want to be blamed for how corrupt our government is?
Do you want the foreign country that's been running our foreign policy and has all this access and influence over Trump?
Or would you like it to be the deep state pedophile Satanists?
I don't know.
Maybe this is.
I don't know.
It's hard to decide whether Trump is even getting it or if he's just on his own now and he's just like, I'm just doing my own thing.
He's become a different type of renegade.
But the one political issue that has shifted more than anything, except for maybe support for Trump, is support for Israel.
I mean, these are the two things.
You want to talk about like a total shift in political culture.
It's first, it's support of Israel, which is lower than ever in America and only going down, which then results in people just blaming all Jews, which is like, I don't blame Catholics for Joe Biden.
But that's what happens.
Where it's like, I've got this new mayoral candidate in Minnesota who says whites are terrorists, whites are to blame for everything.
It's like, I don't even care what some low IQ inbred freak from Somalia says about me.
I've got Anna Navarro on CNN saying white people are the worst and everything.
It's like, I don't care what these low IQ scum do.
But it's like, that's where it goes.
It's like, oh, let's try to blame whites for everything or let's try to blame Jews for everything or let's blame this group for everything.
And so, you know, what do you think?
It's like, people don't get it, man.
What do you think is going to happen?
And this is why, really, if Trump doesn't save the economy, folks, it's going to get bad.
I mean, it's just going to, the whole thing is going to get bad.
What do you think is going to happen with the younger generation?
They can't afford a house.
They can't afford a car.
They can't afford a college education without going into massive amounts of debt.
Many of them perceive it as they're going to live life, their entire life in debt.
What do you think is going to happen when they lose all hope?
Of course they're going to vote for a radical communist in New York City.
They feel they don't have any other option.
It's like, what do you think is going to happen?
People are going to be pissed.
They feel their future has been stolen.
They feel their country has been stolen.
And who's looking out for them?
So yeah, some commie comes around and says, I'm going to give you free stuff.
They're gone, folks.
They're out.
They're disenfranchised.
They're disinvested.
So yeah, it might not make sense to you.
You'd never vote for a communist.
I'd never vote for a communist.
You're not the only person that exists.
You're not the only mindset that exists.
You have entire generations of Americans that are totally disenfranchised, totally disinvested in America.
And then to make it worse, every time they turn around and look at the news, what do they see?
More foreign aid.
They can't afford a home.
They can't afford a car.
They can't afford an education.
They're afraid to even have a family because they can't afford it.
But foreign aid all day long, any country that wants it.
Like, what do you think happens?
Somebody gets the blame.
Somebody becomes the fall guy.
So, yeah, they can try to blame whites.
They can try to blame anybody.
So, if Trump doesn't fix the economy, things get bad fast.
And that'll ultimately be the decision-making process probably whether or not Republicans can win future elections or not.
If he can get the economy going again and get money back in people's pockets, then, okay, Republicans have a chance in the next, let's say, two election cycles.
If not, no.
No, you'll have people vote outright communists.
You will.
You'll even have right-wing, you'll have right-wing youth voting for a communist.
Absolutely, you will.
Because they're disenfranchised and they're disinvested.
And they'll say, well, do you care about America?
Do you care about the Bill of Rights?
Do you care about the Constitution?
Do you care about free market capitalism?
And they're going to say no.
They're going to say no.
Because all they've seen is failed leadership.
All they've seen is corrupt politicians, corrupt media, and their future be stolen from them and given to foreign countries and foreigners.
We're trying to stop that.
And then, oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You get a big war or you collapse it, then you get your one world government.
And they might have some vestigial power structure or some centralized power structure.
They'll bring back climate change agendas and all this other crap because you won't be able to stop it at that point.
And it's just like, man, we'd like to not do that.
We'd like to not do that.
We'd like to actually drain the swamp.
We'd like to actually arrest the deep state criminals.
We'd actually like to stop these satanic pedophile networks and satanic human sacrifice called abortion and all the bombs that keep dropping all over the world.
So, by the way, also, I told the screener, listening to you on the phone right now, you sound like a young Alex Jones when he was back on Access Radio.
It's incredible.
I told the screener, I said, you sound like the St. Louis gone from you, and now you're in Austin.
So my question is, I think that Trump might be trying to follow certain processes.
I don't think that he's doing the QBS like you're talking about and everybody else is saying.
I don't think that.
But he's maybe fallen a lot similar to when journalists have off-the-record stuff because Alex, you, Chase, Harrison, you guys all have the information similar, not similar to Trump, but something more than we do.
But you guys can't say it either.
So how can we ask Trump to do what we're not willing to do?
If you have information about somebody committing the crime, then why, how can we ask him to do something different that we're not doing?
I mean, look, I'm not acting like I'm the most well-connected guy, okay?
I've got some sources, and I've got other people that have better sources than me.
I'm a very, luckily for me, I'm very well-respected and trusted in the media circle, so I'm never going to burn any of that.
So I'm not going to steal anybody's stories.
I'm just more saying it's like things are going to shift real quickly.
And if you listen to this show, I said about a month ago after the Iran strikes, I saw it happening.
I said, normally the media landscape changes every two years, four years, based on the election cycles.
We're in hyperspeed now, and everything is going to look different.
And so you're already seeing that.
And so what I'm saying is these stories that normally Trump supporters, independent media would probably not want to make a big fuss of for whatever reason, now they're going to start being a big story.
Now they're going to start being a big fuss.
So that's really more of the point that I'm making.
The one story that I'm teasing that is going to end up coming out, they're trying to block it right now.
It's all going to come out no matter what.
How deep it goes, we'll see.
But I'm not going to scoop somebody else's story.
I'm just saying the whole landscape is going to change.
And it's not like we would protect the Trump administration.
It's more just like I can decide to spend my time on this or spend my time on this.
And people can decide, okay, I'm going to do the investigation over here.
I'm going to do the investigation over here.
And now if Trump wants to divorce his base, it's going to go a totally different direction.
so that's all I'm saying.
Things are about to go a totally different direction.
It's kind of like how nobody wanted to say anything about Susie Wiles a month ago, now everybody's talking about Susie Wiles.
A pretty big news network has an exclusive story right now.
A couple other independent journalists have the story.
There have been some low-level leaks that have gotten a little attention.
But when you have a story like this, I mean, people will literally pay you not to publish it.
Okay?
Again, it's not my story, but I guarantee them to you, the network that has this is under immense pressure not to report it.
Immense pressure.
They're not going to stop it.
They might stop one network from reporting it, but they can't stop everybody from reporting it.
So this is just how media works.
And you want to make sure you get all your ducks in a row before you publish a big thing like this.
So I think that's what's going on more than anything.
And I mean, really, like, I'm kind of building this up like it's a big deal.
For the most part, it's inconsequential, but it will make some people look very bad and it might even get into the Trump administration.
So that's what I'm saying.
But it's like, generally, it's like, yeah, it's kind of inconsequential, whatever, this happens.
To now people will say, you know what?
No, we're going to put this at the front.
We're just going to go ahead and do it.
All right, Landon, thanks for the call.
I'm not meaning to like be cryptic or like mysterious here.
I'm trying to make a point that this is the media landscape shift.
And people in DC and people in the independent media will now be looking at these stories and making a big deal of them when normally they might be more inclined to say, this will do more harm than good.
I'm not going to touch it.
Even it'll all come out anyway, but it's like, do we make a big deal of it or not?
That's why Trump is saying, stop talking about Epstein.
He doesn't want us to make a big deal of this unless it's some big reverse psychology thing.
I just wanted to say that the Epstein thing has probably enough traction to start World War III.
And I feel like that's pretty an important thing that he's probably looking at because there's so many people that are implicated outside of the state that it's like if you start trying to scoff people and arrest people.
Well, the messaging here, the communications here, the PR here, it couldn't have been worse.
I don't know how it could have been worse.
Unless you were trying to do reverse psychology, I don't know how it could have been worse.
Thank you for the call, Dallas.
All right.
We're closing out the second hour now.
We're going to continue to take calls.
And I was even talking to Alex about this in a break, and he was saying something similar.
I'd rather just come on here and cover all the news, but this story is too big.
And we're just examining what we're doing now.
We're just examining, okay, what is the future of American politics?
Because we thought we were getting one thing with this administration.
It looks like it's going a complete different direction.
So we're just reevaluating.
But it's like, this is the bat signal.
You're not going to stop.
You're not going to shut people up on this.
Whatever the implications are, it's not going to happen.
And to pretend like people don't care about it is just, it's a complete misrepresentation of reality, and it's just a lie on its face.
You know, I wasn't even going to cover this, but the crew made a funny joke in the break.
You know, Trump has just announced, guys, you're going to get real sugar in your Coca-Cola now.
Yay!
I wouldn't even cover it because it's just so dumb.
But the crew came in.
They were like, this is like when the kid is throwing a temper tantrum or crying or not behaving.
So you go give him a piece of candy to shut him up.
That's what it is.
Trump is treating you like a moron.
He's treating you like a child.
And so, yeah, the children are going to take the candy and suck on a lollipop.
Go suck on a lollipop, guys.
I'll do whatever Trump says.
Ooh, a lollipop.
If Trump says move on, I'll move on.
Ooh, ooh, a lollipop, Donald.
And the suckers will all fall for it.
And look, I get it as a pragmatic move.
If Trump thinks the numbers are in his favor, that he can ditch real MAGA and replace it with the MAGA tards, and he thinks the numbers favor him, then okay, fine.
Throw us overboard.
And if you think these, you know, if you think all the low IQ suckers can replace us, they're never going to fight for you, but you don't need to.
You don't need them to.
You're not up for election again.
But if you think just numbers-wise, you can replace us with all the Johnny Cumb Lately Magatars, then that's fine.
Okay, go ahead.
We'll throw us overboard.
Go ahead and bring on the yes men and throw them a nice piece of candy and they'll suck on that sucker and do whatever you say.
Oh, yes, Donald.
Thank you for the lollipop.
Yum yum yum yum.
I need you to stop talking about the Epstein hoax, okay?
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You're a weak, pathetic loser if you talk about the Epstein hoax.
By the way, oh, just, you know, as an aside here, we've had floods in six different states, historical floods in six different states, generational floods in six different states this month.
And now a massive earthquake just hit Alaska, and they are now preparing for a tsunami in Alaska.
What in the hell is going on?
And, you know, maybe I just do this in the last two minutes of this short segment.
I don't like to get too esoteric.
I don't like to get too, you know, too far out to see, let's say.
But, you know, we are in a much deeper conspiracy than just the eye can see.
And, you know, that's kind of the real mystery beyond the politics and the stuff that we can see with our eyes and take part in while we're here physically present in this divine consciousness on this planet.
But, you know, you've been lied to about the entire history of this planet.
Human civilization has gone through at least three risings and fallings.
Maybe four.
I'd say definitely three, potentially four that we can record with history.
It's known history.
It's all covered up history.
It's all the secrets of Earth.
The pyramids, the megaliths.
And so, you know, maybe whatever people survive this stuff every 3,000, 4,000 years, whatever it is, that have the secret knowledge.
And maybe they know Earth is about to have another catastrophic event.
You know, the North Pole and that is shifting drastically right now.
So maybe they just know there's about to be a huge new Earth catastrophe.
The whole thing is going to flood or whatever.
It's like they just announced, basically, now they're confirming Planet X. It's used to be a conspiracy theory.
Now they're saying, oh, we just found a mystery planet.
So it's like that's the real big conspiracy.
That's the real deep secret societies.
We're talking millennia old.
So, you know, maybe, maybe that's what's going on.
Maybe the whole planet's about to get wiped out by some 4,000-year-old event or something, and they just know it.
So they're getting ready and keeping us stupid.
That's the big secret, folks.
You are a divine creation of God.
Probably less than a one in a million shot that you would have ever even existed.
And yet here you are in the beauty and splendor of it all.
You've somehow survived the rising and falling of human civilization, the multiple catastrophes that have engulfed the entire planet, wiped out much of civilization, and here you are.
I just wanted to call and it echoes one of the points that was made by law enforcement, I guess, former law enforcement that called earlier about all the people that saw this file and saw all the information in it.
And I just want to say that everybody who's looked at this, including Pam Pondi and anybody else, and hasn't done anything and saw people raping people or whatever it might be, and hasn't done anything to prosecute this or report it to the proper bodies to have it prosecuted under the right laws, are guilty of 18 U.S. Code, Section 4, which is a misprison of felony.
So, you know, anybody who's looked at this, any FBI agents or anybody who said, oh, well, I've been told not to do anything about this and seize crimes, they're committing crimes.
Because my response to that would be, well, they cleared the co-conspirators with that deal that Alex Acosta cut for Epstein, then joined the Trump administration first term.
They cleared the co-conspirators.
They then did it again in that leaked memo, but that's not really an official anything, just a memo.
But they basically said, oh, all co-conspirators are exonerated.
I mean, is that what they're falling back on?
That, hey, no, the deal was cut when we arrested Epstein that all co-conspirators would not be prosecuted.
It's just because they did it and they say it's okay.
It's an arbitrary and capricious thing.
You know, it's violating U.S. code by doing that.
They're violating their own U.S. code.
It's that they have the power and they're in authority, so they just do whatever they want.
And the people that come out and say something about it, also echoing the points we've made earlier about whistleblowers and the attacks on whistleblowers in this country by people like Trump, by the way, who've attacked a lot of whistleblowers, not just Obama, that, you know, there's a concerted effort to cover things up and continue the two-tier justice system, which Trump says that he's been trying to stop.
So, I mean, this is the height of hypocrisy.
And so, you know, there's one aspect of this, too.
Trump's destroyed the Democrat Party.
Well, guess what?
He's about to destroy the Republican Party with this because all those people that voted to hold this back in Congress, you know, now have blood on their hands.
Trump had the opportunity to destroy the Democrat Party, but he's giving him new life.
So the Democrat Party could have been politically destroyed.
I mean, legitimately, if you didn't do the Iran strikes and you did the Doge cuts, and you probably could have gotten away with the Big Beautiful Bill, but you needed to do the Doge cuts, all of them.
You shouldn't have struck Iran, let Israel do it.
And now with the Epstein thing, the Democrats had no political ground to stand on.
Now they do.
Now they have no more wars political ground to stand on.
Now they have the, if they want, they can stand on the Epstein client list.
And people will respond and they'll say, oh, that's nonsense.
Stop it.
Let's not be politically ignorant.
The left falls for anything, folks.
Okay?
You have to deal with reality.
Yeah, the Democrats can run on the Epstein list now.
Okay?
As retarded as that is, that's the reality.
And they'll run on no more wars.
Well, they all supported the war in Ukraine.
Stop it.
These people don't live in reality.
They think a man can have a baby.
So let's just deal with reality.
You could have politically destroyed the Democrats.
And then once you redistrict all of this stuff and stop their gerrymandering, and once you redo the census so that it only has U.S. citizens, I mean, that is like, that is potential kryptonite for the Democrat Party politically.
But now, who knows what they get done before the midterms as far as the redistricting and the census.
And now the Democrats have some political land to stand on being anti-war and against the Epstein client list.
So, yeah, you could have crushed them, but now the pendulum is going to swing back in the midterms, I would guess.
We'll have to see that, but it definitely bodes very badly for the GOP.
And you have to wonder that.
Now, you said something about Iran strikes.
Let's just talk turkey here.
When Trump came back from Iran, things were drastically different.
You could even see it in his constants, you know, in the way he was carrying himself.
Today, people were talking about kind of his hunching over and kind of, you know, looking not so great.
He's under some sort of enormous pressure.
And when Alex made a comment about him being held hostage, okay, it really starts to resonate a little bit when you look at all the different pieces in the timeline, right?
When he came back from Iran, there was definitely some sort of change.
That's when the whole Elon thing happened and all unleashed very quickly.
And then you see him acting completely abnormally in a way that we're all horrified by.
Then he has this divorce with everybody as of today or the last couple days.
And I noticed that all of a sudden it's green lit that there's a receivership on you guys and that they're coming for you now again in a reconstituted effort.
Yeah, and you know, let me just respond to that real quick, both of those points.
You know, that's why with the Iran strikes, you know, people just tend to have like this weird isolated view where they just like focus on one thing and they think it's isolated.
And it was like, you know, I was against the Iran strikes as an isolated thing.
But whether or not most Americans supported it or not, it's like it's not an isolated thing.
So it's this weird deal where people just think, oh, no, no, no, that's just an isolated thing.
It was never an isolated thing.
And now you look at the cascade since then.
And it's like, that's what we were warning about.
They said, oh, you're a fake MAGA.
Oh, you're a Panakin.
No, we're realists.
And just look at what has happened post-Iran strikes.
We saw it coming.
If the Iran strike was an isolated thing and you can do it and get out and declare victory, great.
Even if I was against it, great.
But that was never going to be the case.
And we knew.
And now here we are.
I said this the other day.
Let me just reemphasize this.
Now that the things have changed and Alex is dealing with legal stuff right now, who knows?
They come shut this place down any day.
If we could sell out, if we had a hair on our head, if we had a bone in our body that could sell out, this would be the time that we would do it.
The only hope that Alex would have to save everything that's been stolen from him and everything they're still trying to do to him with these corrupt legal cases, you know, now would be the time where Alex would say, okay, I'm just going to sell out and I'm just going to praise the Trump administration and just hope they throw me a lifeline to save what I've built for 30 years and bail me out of this mess, this corrupt mess.
He can't do it.
I'm about to launch multiple lawsuits for my speech imprisonment for January 6th against the DOJ.
Now would be the time for me to, oh, yeah, everything's great to try to get a favorable decision.
I can't do it.
I'll tell you something else.
We're about to launch some FOIA requests to get some stuff as well.
So it's like I've had success with FOIAs, and then we've had some stubbornness with FOIAs.
But it's like, yeah, if I wanted to open up and get cooperation and get in good graces with the administration, it's like, yeah, now is when I would do it.
I'll get some amazing FOIA responses.
I can break some exclusive news.
I can get my lawsuit for January 6th across the board and get a good result there.
Well, that's, yeah, that's what I was talking about earlier.
And I thank you for the call.
And again, it's not like I just try to make rational deductions of all of this.
And I mean, I understand how things can get out of control.
I mean, I live a mostly simple life, folks.
I live a mostly simple life.
And I don't even like to travel anymore.
I've got like my daily schedule, virtually do the same thing all the time, hang out with the same people, eat the same things.
But, you know, even in my life, and I've got a pretty big social media following and, you know, we've got a pretty good show we do here, pretty big following.
And I've got a lot of friends, a lot of social circles.
But it's like, even in my life, like I get things just pile up.
It's like, you know, your leaves pile up in your backyard.
You don't sweep them, whatever.
You know, dust piles up in the corner over there.
It's like, I get how things pile up.
So I can't even imagine if you're Trump and you're getting like 100 times the incoming that I'm getting.
I'm like lucky if I can just have a minute to just sit down and go through emails and texts.
Or I make the joke like, I'm lucky if I have time to just wipe my ass.
So I understand like things pile up and get out of control and then you turn around and then it's like, whoa, holy crap.
So I get that and with Trump, it's probably a hundred times, but it's just the PR disaster of it, the comms disaster of it, that's unexcusable.
So it's like if the Epstein stuff kind of got lost in translation and you put it on the back burner or you were over it or whatever, it's like, okay, fine.
But to come out and flip-flop and the binder gate and then it's just, and now does he stop talking about it and then when topple down on it and then insult your base on it?
It's like if I come home and I don't clean my room for a couple days and there's laundry and dust everywhere and then I'm like yelling at the dog.
I'm like, why didn't you clean my room?
And the dog's just like staring at me like, what the hell?
It's like, that's what this is like.
It's like, why are you blaming us for the Epstein debacle?
Yeah, I'm going to go home and I'm going to yell at my dog because my room is dirty.
And the amount of men of working age in the labor workforce is at its all-time low.
But the point being, I'm surprised at the lack of humility for history, they do realize, and this is not a threat or anything else, but Richard Nixon was voted with 60% of the popular vote, I think, only one of three presidents.
And by the end of it, not only was he resigned, his VP fell in disgrace due to corruption, and Ehrlichman and Colston were sent to prison along with Gordon G. Liddy.
Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein, they've already looked at it and they are looking at it.
And I think all they have to do is put out anything credible.
But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years.
I could imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others.
I mean, the Steels LCA was a total fake.
They have took two years to figure that out for the people.
And all of the things that you mentioned were fake.
So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Ray and they were run by Comey, because it was actually even before that administration, they'd been running these files.
And so much of the things that we found were fake with me.
But especially you look at that steel dossier where they paid like $14 or $16 million.
That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller.
And the thing turned out to be a total scam.
So frankly, you know, I think I love that they're looking at all this stuff, if they are.
The post I was sent said that that call just happened.
That doesn't sound like it just happened.
So I actually don't know when it happened.
It's obviously recently because it's some similar talking points.
But did you hear what he said?
He said he imagines what they put in the files.
So that would mean he didn't even know.
He hadn't even seen him.
So he said he imagines what they put in there about him.
Then he says with all the other fake stuff they did, like the steel dossier.
And see, and now we get to the root of the problem.
And that's why this whole thing is so frustrating.
Because nobody was arrested, because nobody was prosecuted, because nobody was punished for the illegal spying on Donald Trump, for the fake steel dossier that they used against Trump, for the stolen election that has consequences.
Because nobody was prosecuted and charged and arrested for any of that, here we are.
Here we are.
That's not your fault, the American voter.
It's not your fault.
You were never the president.
You didn't pick your attorney general, your FBI director.
And that's why we're so frustrated about this Epstein thing, because until the deep state criminals are put in handcuffs, it will just continue and continue and continue.
So, oh, President Trump is frustrated about the Epstein files.
People need to be arrested.
President Trump is frustrated about the fake steel dossier.
People should have been arrested.
So again, it's like, why are you yelling at us, man?
We're frustrated like you.
Again, it's berating the dog for not cleaning your room.
You were the president for four years.
You were the president when they stole an election.
You're the president now telling us to get over the abstain files.
Wyoming is under attack by the Trump administration.
We're losing all of our land.
They're bringing nuclear in here.
They're strip mining.
People have got to get off their butts and start paying attention.
Please.
I know about the Epstein stuff, and I'm sick to death of it.
But I'll tell you what, until the citizens get together and get rid of this federal land and take back our rights, and I'm not calling for violence, but something's got to give, guys.
Everybody who looks at this has got to look in the mirror and pull it together.
I've seen it hit the news a little bit, but I'm just going to tell you why they're doing it.
You may know, but I mean, clearly what's happening is, and I don't know if this is part of some larger AI government we're going into after a collapse, but in order to have America be the AI capital of the world or the crypto capital of the world,
we basically have to probably build like maybe like 50 nuclear power plants to run it all legitimately.
And then you start getting into quantum computing.
Yeah, you're going to need at least probably 50 nuclear power plants to power all that, to power the crypto, to power the AI, to power the quantum computing, and to go into this new AI digital age.
Yeah, they have to build the power plants.
They have no choice.
So that's just necessary infrastructure.
So I guess they've chosen Wyoming to do a lot of that.
And you just don't hear much from people in Wyoming.
So you just don't hear about it.
But I'm glad you got through and we can talk about that.
We'll see if it starts to crack the headlines.
But by the way, this story came out yesterday and this kind of explains a lot and maybe it explains why Trump is so out of touch currently.
Broadcast viewing hits all-time low in June of 2025.
So in other words, we have crossed the threshold.
More people now are watching whatever, they're watching whatever it is, but for the sake of this conversation, more people are consuming news, current events and information online or streaming.
Network cable news is becoming, and it's still huge, don't get me wrong, but it's trending down.
It's marked for death.
But it's like Trump and his administration still thinks that's the power source.
And it might still be the biggest power force, but it's not the majority anymore.
And it's trending down.
So they might think, oh, well, if we control the cable news waves or we respond to the cable news waves and we kind of work the network news political bubble, it's like that's where everybody's at.
And that's how we get into the media or manipulate it or push back against it, whatever.
I would say, I mean, look, I'd still say network cable news out of an election year probably has the biggest impact, but it's no longer the majority impact.
So all the different places you can go online or stream is, you know, it's spread a lot of, it's spread thin.
You have all these different options.
But it's network news is no longer the majority.
And if you think you're getting an accurate depiction of where America is at from network news, then you are severely misinformed.
And maybe that's why there's this massive disconnect right now with the Trump administration.
They still think, oh, it's all network news.
And if it's on there, it's good.
If it's not on there, it's bad, whatever.
No.
No.
So, oh, well, Fox doesn't care about the Epstein files or we'll, you know, because they basically, like the Trump News Network now, it's like, well, we'll make sure Fox doesn't cover the Epstein files so people will forget about it.
That ain't going to happen.
That's not happening.
And I wouldn't be surprised if people start tuning out of Fox.
And again, I mean, I've said this.
It's just true, folks.
I mean, CNN and MSNBC still do blatant propaganda.
And most of the time, they're just totally lying.
But they'll actually do like 10%, maybe 15, like real news coverage, like actual news coverage and have like actual guests on to talk about it.
So it's not just totally just all Trump negativity all the time.
Like they do real news now.
Fox is like 5% real news, but I don't know.
I mean, it's just Trump 24-7 now.
It's just pro-Trump 24-7 is all it is now.
So it's just like you already know what's going to happen there.
But it's Bizarro World, man.
Oh, yeah.
We'll have Fox News tell everybody to stand down on the Epstein files as if that's going to work.
And then it's MSN and it's CNN that are actually talking about the files and actually like examining them.
And I'm on board when you say that MAGA really has been betrayed by Trump.
Trump appeared as a business outsider who's going to cut spending.
I didn't believe he was going to start wars and prolong wars in Ukraine.
And I really want to stress that the Ron Paul revolution, the real mega, the Protestantism and republicanism, the freedom of conscience and representative democracy is really what we're about.
And it appears to me that Trump is, he thinks the RNC is a governing body or the BNC is a governing body, but not these higher principles that we need to really need to pay attention to.
He was asked about it a couple months ago, and I could tell by his response, it was like, oh, this is not a man that romanticizes the Constitution, which, hey, fine, okay.
I mean, he's a business guy.
I put him in there to fix the economy and arrest the deep state.
So whatever, if he's not a romantic over the Constitution.
But yeah, I think that that's kind of reflective of what you're saying here.
And I think it's pretty clear.
Thank you for the call.
By the way, I didn't even do this.
The crew just did this.
So I mean, I'm just going with, again, I could do a media critic show.
And I could just tell you all the different things that are going on in media and all this stuff.
So, you know, like Bannon says, Fox is TV for stupid people.
But you know what?
We don't want porn.
We just want the truth.
You know, the unfounded conjecture from Trump is off the charts telling us he has a perfect administration.
We should ask questions and just move on.
We shouldn't ask questions, I should say.
It's like he's stuck back in 1991 in so many ways, but I think it's important to consider he's always been in control his entire life and surrounded by yes men.
And maybe he doesn't fully realize he's no longer the CEO of Trump International with employees working for him as he's president of the United States and works for us.
We're the boss now.
So we got to keep our hands on the political steering wheel and make our voices heard.
Let's all call the White House comment line, 202-456-11-11, Tuesday through Thursday, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Eastern Time.
You know, I think about what you just said, and I mentioned it in a different way about Elon Musk, but I think you've kind of just expanded on it.
And it's not just, because you saw with the Trump-Musk fallout, it was like the first time where Trump was kind of like, oh, did I just ram heads with an equal?
Or maybe even somebody that might even have more power?
So it's like, yeah, Trump has probably never rammed heads with anybody that wasn't below him on the power scale.
And then he rammed with Musk and kind of came out a little shaken like, whoa.
It's like, imagine a ram or a buffalo that do these, you know, over territory or over their mating partners.
It's like you got a big buffalo and he's controlled this field and he's got his females over there.
And here comes a massive buffalo he's never seen before, but he's never lost.
He's going to ram heads.
And then it's like, boom, he rams heads.
And maybe he secures the territory.
But for the first time, he's kind of stammering back.
He's kind of fumbling back a little bit.
He's like, whoa.
And so I think Musk was kind of the first time with Trump ramming heads.
It was like, whoa, that you're a little jarring.
Like, whoa.
And now, it's like, you can imagine you've never had to go through that before.
It shakes you up a little bit.
Maybe you go back and you, you know, you yell at your, you yell at all your mating partners over there.
And maybe now it's even happening with his base.
It's like now he's ramming heads with his bass and it's like, hey, you know, we ram heads here.
Guys, what time is Chase Live here in this studio?
Oh, we're not.
Never mind.
Okay, never mind on that.
Never mind on that.
Well, I'll tell you this.
It's definitely not boring.
Oh, look at this.
As we sign off, we get a little breaking news.
Boy, a day late, a dollar short.
I mean, what a joke.
The Trump DOJ has fired Maureen Comey.
So after she spikes the Epstein case, after she, or the Maxwell case, so after she spikes the Maxwell case, the Epstein case, the Diddy case, now we fire her.
Hey, guys, we're going to give you a lollipop and we're going to give you a scalp.
It's like, yeah, we're not going to stop talking about Epstein.
Oh, great.
You finally fired Maureen Comey.
About damn time.
It's like, yeah, you divorced us, but we ram heads.
But she should have been fired a month ago, just like you should have arrested the deep state in your first administration.
But now here we are, 21-hour break.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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You will not find a better product on the market that's targeted in that specific way because we made these for you, the customer, and for ourselves because we believe in the product.