Donald Trump’s July 2025 AI speech in Pennsylvania coincides with his administration’s faltering damage control over Jeffrey Epstein’s uncovered files, where Republicans now face accusations of suppression while Democrats demand transparency—yet Trump blames Obama despite documents originating under his own term. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s Zelensky is reportedly pressured to strike deeper into Russia, a move Trump dismisses as reckless, while critics like Owen Schroyer tie it to a CIA-Mossad plot rearming militant groups post-Trump’s 2017 funding cuts. The MAGA movement fractures further: Trump’s team sidelines base priorities (e.g., Greene’s citizenship bill) amid foreign conflicts, while Jake Shields’ Patriot Front faces bipartisan backlash for flood relief efforts. Censorship debates escalate—from Texas anti-BDS laws to Schroyer’s January 6th charges—highlighting perceived hypocrisy in pro-Israel policies and systemic corruption, as the episode blends geopolitics with conspiracy theories and commercial pitches. [Automatically generated summary]
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, July 15th, 2025.
This is the InfoWars War Room.
I'm your host, back on the show today.
Owen Schroyer with you for the next three hours, the fastest three hours on the internet starts now.
Donald Trump is live in Pennsylvania right now addressing AI.
I told the crew to monitor that.
We may pick it up.
We may not.
Let me just tell you what we have coming up today.
Huge video list, almost 30 videos we're going to get to.
And I got this stack of news dealing with the latest drama in the Epstein debacle.
And it's kind of, it's past the point of no return where the Trump administration can try to do damage control, which is what they're trying to do.
And they're trying to do some good PR now that it's just such a disaster.
But really, it's too little, too late.
And the only way to course correct now is to just come out full transparency, full reveal.
That's the only way to restore faith and try to start mending back together what damage has been done because of this absolute disaster.
I'm not sure there's any real interest in that, especially considering what happened last night.
But it certainly puts us into a new bizarro world, a new political bizarro world that I'll be addressing.
Then you have the situation in Ukraine, which has been another disaster.
And I'm noticing that people are not really talking about what this disaster with the Ukraine policy has been because they're so distracted dealing with the Epstein disaster still.
But no, what happened in the last, say, 48 hours or so with Trump's policy on Ukraine has been another disaster.
And my sneaking suspicion that the world does not view President Trump as they once did, I think is confirmed with the latest development there.
So whatever leverage and power brokering Trump could do in the past with the respect he got around the world or the fear, whatever it is, it seems it has faded with the latest developments in the Ukraine policy.
So I'll explain that.
We do have a couple guests today.
We're going to have a former Pentagon staffer on who's going to talk about some weirdness that was going on there once the Trump administration took over.
We may or may not have Jake Shields in studio.
He just got off air with Alex.
He was on air while I was in studio, so I didn't get a second to talk to him.
But I've invited him to come on if he wants to come on.
And we may do some politics.
I was kind of wanting to just talk to him about just men's issues, just culture stuff for men, and what advice you would give to young men because you just don't get enough of it.
If you're a young guy listening to this, I know we have a lot of young men that listen to this in their 20s, in high school, college.
I don't really do that stuff, but I feel like that'd be a good conversation for Jake.
So we may or may not be doing that.
And then we just have some other developments here with Trump in Pennsylvania talking about AI.
And so, you know, I understand from Trump's perspective what's going on here.
You've got the tech bros taking over, as I've talked about before, and that's what's going on.
And they've got all the capital and they've got all the future capital.
And so they've had a lot of influence on this administration, not necessarily policy-wise, but as far as Trump promoting AI, wanting to make America AI dominant, again, I understand where he's coming from with this.
It seems common sense.
It seems like, yeah, we might as well do this instead of China.
The problem is we're racing into this AI world and we're just not having the proper conversations about where it could go.
So Trump just sees big business.
Trump just sees America booming in an AI age and wanting to be the center of it.
And, you know, China is probably not really thinking about the consequences necessarily either.
But who is as we're racing into this?
Have we really considered the dangers of AI?
All right.
News is literally coming in as we go live here with Pam Bondi just, well, I would say offering a statement on the Epstein debacle, but instead refusing a statement.
This just happened.
The crew is bringing that clip in.
And then we got some developments as far as the relations with Dan Bongino and the rest of the administration, which you can totally understand, Bongino's frustration.
And then, you know, there's a lot of rumors.
People made some pretty, let's say, conclusive statements over the weekend about Bongino that haven't come to fruition yet.
They've since deleted those posts on social media claiming that he was gone.
So I don't know what the real story is.
He was at the FBI building yesterday.
It looked like with his family.
Maybe he was doing a goodbye tour, farewell tour, or maybe things are just fine, as Trump is indicating, or maybe not so much.
So these are developments happening right now.
But there's something really strange happening in American politics.
And I'm just calling it political bizarro world where you now have the right wing and the Republicans that are doing everything they can, everything in their power to stop the Epstein files from coming out.
And you have the left wing And the Democrats, they are now the ones leading the charge to get the Epstein files released.
Now, I'm going to tie this into some of the other developments today, including statements from Trump.
But how bizarre is this?
How bizarre is this?
I'm tuning in to CNN last night.
I'm tuning in to MSNBC last night.
And you know what their big lead is?
You know what all their guests are talking about?
They're talking about the Epstein files.
They're talking about getting the Epstein files released and how the Trump administration is covering them up.
Then if you watch Fox News, which they don't even want to talk about it, they won't even talk about it.
I don't know if that's an order that's been given, but then Laura Ingram dares to say something about it and she just says it's time to move on.
So, hey, look, I give credit to Laura Ingram.
You know, she got her job in network news, and she knows how to keep it.
Even if that means, you know, doing some damage to her own reputation.
Oh, yeah, Michael Savage, I'll get you on the show.
Never did.
Oh, MAGA, it's time for you to move on from Epstein.
No, it's not.
But hey, she's making her millions of dollars at Fox News, so you got to do what you got to do.
And then you have people like Dinesh D'Souza telling you the same thing.
People like Charlie Kirk telling you the same thing.
You have the Republicans last night.
Republicans moved to block Democratic effort to force release of the Epstein files.
So they try to, in the rules committee, try to force the declassification, try to force the release here, and it's Republicans blocking it.
And I'm just like, what in the hell is going on?
Did we not just live through a campaign with President Trump doing podcasts talking about releasing the Epstein files, including another clip that I've got here today, where it looks like Fox News may have edited it.
But I'll get to that in a second.
So the Trump administration with Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi all talked about the Epstein files.
Patel specifically said it needs to be released day one.
They all talked about it being foreign intelligence asset and blackmail and the whole thing.
And we just went through the entire election cycle.
We just watched the whole campaign, and that was a top issue.
A top issue.
And I love all of these people.
Oh, Iran strikes was on the agenda.
Iran strikes as what you voted for.
No, it's not.
Go watch the Trump podcasts from the campaign.
How many people asked him about striking Iran?
How many people asked him about the Epstein files?
So stop it with that lie.
Stop it with that propaganda.
So this was a big issue for the right wing.
This was a big issue for Trump's base.
This is a huge issue for MAGA.
We just talked about it on an entire campaign cycle.
And now you're just told, move on.
And it's the left.
It's the Democrats saying to release the files.
It's the Democrats saying the right's covering up.
The Trump administration's covering up.
It's the top story on MSNBC and CNN.
They're bringing in all the expert guests.
The Democrats and Congress are trying to get it released.
What in the hell world did I just wake up in?
And then you watch the MAGA groupies, the Trump groupies, that just do whatever they're told.
And they're all saying, move on to nothing to see here.
And I'm just like, what political bizarro world did I just wake up in?
By the way, late last night, the Rules Committee could have sent the motion to the floor to release the Epstein files, and the Republicans blocked it.
Here's the six Republicans in the House Rules Committee that blocked it.
Virginia Fox, North Carolina, Michelle Fishbach, Minnesota.
Aaron Hochin, Indiana, Nick Langworthy, New York, Austin Scott, Georgia, Morgan Griffith, Virginia.
And for whatever it's worth, yes, they all take AIPAC money.
But really, I don't think that that's a fair, because I see that and I see people posting the APAC payouts that all of these representatives got.
But the truth is you could go do the same thing for the Democrats that voted to release the files too.
So I don't really think that one plays here.
I understand why people would want to play that card here, but I don't think it plays.
Because you can go look, the Democrats that voted to release it, they all take APAC money too.
So why would the Republicans block this?
And what political bizarro world did I just wake up in?
But you know what it tells me?
It tells me how easy it is to control both sides.
That's what it tells me.
It tells me how easy it is to control both sides.
And yet again, it shows us how unique it is.
And it's crazy to think that this is the case, but it is.
How unique it is, how rare it is to actually have people that can think for themselves.
You have limited freedoms in this world, but you can think freely.
And I think we just prove it over and Over again with this crew and this audience.
Who was there with us in 2015 and 2016 when everybody was trying to stop Trump and they launched all their attacks against Trump to stop him from winning the primaries?
And then there we were and we won.
Who was there in 2020 and 2021 when they decided they were going to shut down the country and shut down the economy over a flu virus with 99% survivability?
They forced you to wear a mask.
They forced you to take vaccines.
Who was there thinking freely?
Who was there pushing back against that?
Remember how rare it was?
And now here we are again with this Epstein debacle, and it's the same phenomenon.
And I can't help but notice, because I just go back in my own memory bank, and I'm looking around me now in this isolated crowd of free thinkers, and I'm like, oh, these were the people on the same island as me, not the Epstein island, the island of free thought.
These are the people that were on the same island of free thought as I was in 2015 and 2016.
Isn't that strange?
Oh, then 2020, 2021 with COVID and the vaccines.
These were the same people on the island of free thought with me in 2021.
Isn't that strange?
And now here we are again, 2025, the Epstein debacle.
It's the same people.
And I made this analogy earlier and it just continues to ring true.
I really thought, and I'm over kind of the initial phase of thinking that our team can win a championship.
Megan Kelly, Ben Shapiro clash over Epstein files.
Well, you know, Ben Shapiro, he might be a mossad asset himself, so he doesn't want his intelligence agency exposed.
You know?
He doesn't want that.
But then there's Megan Kelly, who, by the way, you know, look, Megan Kelly says stuff all the time to get attention.
She does stuff all the time to get attention, and it works.
She's good at it.
I'll give her credit.
But a lot of people react to what Megan Kelly puts out there, and then they forget it after a couple months when it never comes true.
Like she basically asserted that Epstein was alive and he was going to, I guess, testify.
Remember that a couple months ago?
She said, you're going to be hearing from Epstein soon.
It's kind of like she came here, told Alex she wasn't going to do a hit piece on him about Sandy Hook.
Then she did, and then the lawsuits came from it.
Then she says, oh, Bongino is out and other people report on it.
I don't know if it's happening or not.
So it's hard to say that Megan Kelly has some level of integrity throughout all of this.
Or is Megan Kelly just not letting go of the Epstein thing because she knows it's the popular thing to do more so than the right thing to do?
But when are we going to be hearing from Jeffrey Epstein, Megan, like you told people from your credible sources?
Just curious.
Just curious.
So she's good at just saying stuff to get attention and then just burying it in time.
So am I going to say Megan Kelly is the example of integrity?
Look, she's not letting go of the Epstein thing, or is she just doing that because it's all about ratings for her?
Either way, there's very few people now because I guess people can't really even think about the future because they can't even think about the past.
Maybe it's like part of the retardation of the modern age where we're just constantly living through this digital world, constantly just in the now.
What's latest on my feet and all this stuff?
But you do realize that there is going to be a future without President Trump.
You do realize there's going to be a future where people are going to look back and they're going to say, hmm, who was able to maintain their integrity and continue to talk about the Epstein case?
Who was able to maintain their integrity and not stand up for a foreign nation's interests?
How many people in the media left can even say that?
MAGA Mutiny takes intriguing twist after FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino threatened to quit over Epstein files.
Well, again, do we even have any credible evidence of this?
Now, I could obviously see why Bongino would be frustrated because how does he go back to his audience without delivering on draining the swamp Or even a specific issue like the Epstein files that he talks about with his audience all day long.
This is the guy who writes books about the deep state.
This is the guy who had one of the top talk shows in conservative media addressing the deep state criminals and Epstein and everything else.
How does he go back to his audience with nothing?
So he might figure, like Jen Saki figured, the longer I stay here, the more I destroy my reputation.
The longer I stick around carrying water for this corrupt city known as Washington, D.C., the worse it gets for me going back to my audience.
So Jen Saki realized, okay, if I sit around here lying for Joe Biden for four years, I'm cooked.
I'm never going to get a job.
Just ask Karen Jean Pierre.
So maybe Bongino realized the same thing.
If I sit around here for four years with this corrupt operation, the FBI, and this corrupt city, D.C., then how do I have any integrity?
How do I go back to my audience?
So maybe I should get out of here.
So I wouldn't be surprised if that's going on behind the scenes, but I don't know.
I don't know where the real meat and potatoes in that story is.
You haven't heard from Bongino.
Nobody else is addressing it head on, except Trump says he's doing great, whatever that means.
Now, we got a lot of audio from Trump, but this is just, I just don't get it.
He's asked about the Epstein files earlier today, so obviously the request for people to stop talking about it just hasn't worked at all.
And Trump doubles down with whoever wrote up that post for him the other day, whoever wrote that up, whoever gave him these ideas for these talking points, he tries to double down on them and really has a major flub.
And that's why you can tell this is not really Donald Trump.
This is political propaganda.
Because he flubbed up.
He choked up.
He didn't know what to say.
He had to remember what the talking points were that he was fed.
So that's how you know this is total political propaganda.
This is not Donald Trump speaking.
This is Donald Trump feeding you political propaganda about the Epstein files in clip three.
My attorney general was the attorney general when Epstein killed himself.
So what is it?
How are we blaming Obama?
It's no matter.
Just blame Obama.
And then say about Russia, you know, and say it's like Russia, Russia, Russia.
You know, say it's like the Russia thing.
Oh, yeah, okay, they'll fall for that.
They're stupid.
So I guess they really do think you're stupid.
Who's ever running this propaganda does think you're stupid.
Think you don't even know how to use the internet.
So it's just ridiculous.
But I'm thinking, why?
Why would they even be doing this?
Obviously, they're trying to hide something.
Obviously, they're trying to hide something.
Now, if you even want to take this at face value, then what are we actually talking about?
We're accusing people by name.
He says Obama, he says Comey.
We're accusing people by name of what?
Committing a crime, fabricating federal documents and court documents.
That is a crime.
So if you're really going to come out here and say, oh, they're editing documents and so therefore it's not all credible, then where are the criminal charges?
If they are editing the Epstein files, if they are editing the court documents, and this is what Trump is trying to sell us, and this is obviously what Bondi is either selling him or she's been told to go along with it, then where are the charges?
If you're going to tell us that they edited the Epstein files for whatever reason, that is a crime and we want arrests.
But they're not actually going to say that because they know they're lying to us.
So the question is, why?
What is it?
Why is it that they're covering this up?
Or have we repurposed the Epstein files for something else Trump is doing?
That's your only two outcomes here, folks.
Just be real about it.
That's the truth.
All right, we got some more Trump audio with the Epstein files and then the Ukraine situation, which is a totally different issue in the geopolitical stack of news today with some big developments there.
But, you know, I was thinking about this last night and I was really trying to just codify my thoughts before I made a statement about it earlier today on X. And the truth is, even though the people that are just standing up for what's right and the truth and keeping their integrity and their principles throughout this Epstein debacle have been getting attacked by the establishment and the neocons and all the paid digital influence campaigns,
and that's what it is.
And, you know, it's funny too, like these people are so dumb, or maybe they just don't care, but they're so dumb.
Like an example is they went after Candace Owens when last week or two weeks ago, she said, okay, I know there's a paid digital influence campaign to attack me going on.
And then what happened?
The paid digital influence campaign attacked her.
And she said, okay, I'm going to put out a bounty.
I think she gave someone 15 grand to deliver her the evidence of the paid digital influence campaign to attack her.
So somebody took the money and said, here you go, here it is.
Like, you don't think that we get access to this stuff?
You don't think these same digital influence campaigns that are just, they're just flush with cash, they just pay out anybody.
They're not even really that political.
They'll just pay anybody.
Anybody that wants a digital influence campaign can come in, offer them money, and then they pay out the people to promote whatever it is they're paid to promote.
It's like, you really don't think we get access to that?
More attacks on you because you won't carry political propaganda.
So you're the bad guy here.
And I'm just like, you know, we always complain or you hear about the complaints and we can all relate to it.
How is it that Republicans can't win a lot easier?
What is that?
The Democrats are an obviously anti-American, criminal, terrorist organization.
I mean, racist, you name it.
They like killing babies.
I mean, it's like, how can we not beat that?
How can we not beat a political party that's like five core values are anti-American, terrorism in the streets, criminal behavior, killing babies, open borders?
I mean, the list just goes on and on.
Like, how can we not defeat that politically?
What is wrong with us?
And then now you get the reminder.
Now you get the reminder.
Why can't we just come together to beat the Democrats?
Why can't Republicans just annihilate the Democrat Party politically?
Now you get to remember.
Now you get the reminder.
Because anytime the Republicans get a populist movement, anytime the Republicans are able to corral all the different independent thinkers, free-minded thinkers with kind of different ideas and concepts and stuff, it's like every time it's like, all right, we've got the coalition now.
We just did it.
We just won the White House, the House, and the Senate.
It's like, all right, we've done it.
Here we are.
Now we can defeat them.
And now you're reminded why Republicans lose.
Because as soon as you start to think differently, as soon as you start to offer a different opinion, as soon as you start to take issue with a foreign policy, or as soon as you actually want to hold politicians accountable for the things that they said, you get attacked.
You get attacked.
You get thrown overboard.
You become disenfranchised.
And you don't vote Republican.
That's why Republicans can't win.
That's why we still deal with the Democrats.
The Democrats shouldn't even exist politically anymore.
And it's very likely they're about to take the House because of all this madness.
And by the way, Rasmussen just came out with their latest poll.
Trump's approval rating continues to plummet.
Of course it does.
It's been nothing but bad news since the Iran strikes.
The Iran strikes run popular.
The polls show it.
Trump's approval rating shows it.
The fallout with Elon Musk, the dirty sales techniques to get us to pass the big beautiful bill, and now the covering up of the Epstein files.
It's like, it's just like, but you get attacked if you try to stop it.
Like, you get attacked for calling it out.
And then it's just like, oh, yeah, this is why Republicans can't win.
So I thought that we moved the ball 30, 40 yards downfield in this political fight.
Looks like we maybe got it three yards, maybe five.
By the way, you know, on that issue, Marjorie Taylor Greene and the Republicans are trying to do something about how the Democrats steal the house, and it might be the only thing that can save the house.
It's not going to happen for this midterms, but perhaps in the future, if you get rid of all the gerrymandering that the Democrats have been doing for decades, you can actually stop them from stealing the house like they've done for probably like at least four elections in recent history, I'd say.
They almost pulled it off with the last one, but they couldn't.
But so that's how the Democrats are even competitive or win the house is they just gerrymander and rig the whole thing.
So the Republicans are trying to address that at the election level, which will be very important.
But it's not going to save the midterms unless they push the pedal to the metal like rocket boosters to get this done.
But it's the Republicans.
So they're not going to do that.
But here was Trump.
And he was talking to Rachel Duffy, wife of Sean Duffy, who does great work, by the way.
Now, I want you to watch this full clip, and then I'm going to replay a portion of it and ask if you noticed something when you watched it in its entirety.
But he's asked about the Epstein files and more here in clip four.
I don't know about Epstein so much as I do the others.
Certainly about the way he died.
It would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, et cetera, et cetera.
But you'd go a long way toward that one.
The other stuff I would, I would definitely do the January 6th because, oh, beyond all of them.
No, I'm not going to sit here and make a big fuss about the 9-11 files.
We'll save that for another day.
The January 6th committee cover-up, nothing has really been done about that.
Maybe it's time to start raising a fuss about that.
The JFK files, I mean, they've released a lot.
I think it's given us at least a clear enough picture to know that we were lied to and Lee Harvey Oswald was a Patsy.
So they've released enough to at least give the American people some clarity on that, but they haven't rewritten the textbooks yet, if they ever will.
Now, I'd never heard that before, but that is the first time I believe Trump ever saying, oh, there's something phony in there.
Now, you have to ask yourself why.
So he's obviously seen the files.
Obviously, he's seen the files.
How does he know there's phony stuff in there unless he's seen them?
And if he's seen them and he doesn't want to release them, then again, you have to ask why.
But if there's phony stuff in there, who put it in?
Again, Epstein was brought in during the first Trump administration.
And if they started editing stuff after Biden's inauguration, then how would Trump know because he wasn't the president?
How would he know that?
Was he looking at the Epstein files when Biden was president?
So none of it makes any sense.
I'll be honest, it sounds like to me, and this is maybe why Elon Musk posted what he did about Trump and the Epstein files.
It sounds like to me they've been anticipating somebody releasing something within the Epstein files to try and implicate Donald Trump.
That's what it seems like to me.
At this juncture, that's what it seems like to me.
Now, I don't think Trump was running around with the minors.
I don't think Trump was into the Epstein stuff.
But I think maybe for Trump, even just being mentioned, even just having the, you know, the Epstein sex slaves or, you know, fake models, whatever it was, even them just mentioning that he was there might be enough for Trump to say, I don't want this to get out.
Even if they were saying, oh, yeah.
In fact, it was, I think it was Virginia Jufre who talked about like, you know, they knew who the predators were when they were at Apstein's events, like they knew who the predators were and they didn't view Trump that way.
It's like, oh, they might see Trump, but like they weren't scared of him.
He wasn't a predator to them like some of the others might have been.
So maybe that's what it is?
Just him being even mentioned, Even if it's positive, is too much?
I don't know, but clearly they are trying to get ahead of something, folks.
I mean, it's just undeniable.
But if that's the case, then there had to be a better way to handle all of this, and they just couldn't do it.
Even if Trump would have come out and said, look, we've seen the files.
I've looked at the files.
I'm in the files.
I rode on Epstein's jet.
I wasn't aware he was a pedophile.
I wasn't aware he was a creep.
We hung out around a lot of the same people in New York.
You know, billionaires, rich people hang out at the same stuff.
They always had pretty women around there.
I was doing beauty pageants.
I didn't realize that they were recruiting these girls for whatever they were doing on that island.
So I'm embarrassed.
I wish I would have known.
My name is on the list, but they're going to try to use it to attack me and destroy me if it comes out.
But you want it, so we're just going to go ahead and give it to you.
But see, it's just, they can't even be honest about it.
And so now it's just a complete disaster.
And so they should have said nothing.
They would have been better off saying nothing.
Now, if you go back to the end of that clip, guys, I think maybe fast forward about 30 seconds in, and I'll ask the crew, I don't know if you guys noticed it.
See, when you work in audio and editing, these things are just like, you kind of just trick your mind and your body to like notice that stuff.
Same with like video editing, all this stuff.
It's like you can see a cut, you can see an edit.
It's just like you just trained it.
That sounded like an edit to me, which is ironic because Trump just won a lawsuit because of the 60 minutes edit of Kamala Harris, but that looks like a Fox News edit of Donald Trump.
Did you guys hear that?
I want you to roll that one more time.
Just fast forward, probably about 30 seconds in.
I think it'd be safe.
I think it hits about 45 seconds.
But it's right when he starts talking about the Epstein stuff.
And I think Marjorie Taylor Greene represents most of the base and the middle America that whether or not you think this is Trump's fault or somebody else's fault, a line's been crossed and the damage is now permanent.
Here's Marjorie Taylor Greene clip seven.
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How big of a blowback is there right now in MAGA World specifically?
It's just a red line that it crosses for many people.
Jeffrey Epstein is literally the most well-known convicted pedophile in modern-day history.
This is something that's been talked about by many people serving in the administration, myself and many others on the right and the left, of there needing to be transparency of the rich and powerful elites that were in his circle while he was just one of the worst serial abusers of young women.
It has been a very serious situation for the administration, and many people are speaking out online.
You've seen it.
You saw it at Turning Point Suit in Action Summon this weekend.
And a lot of people in MAGA, they really want to know more information about the people that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein.
And she's really separated herself from the swamp in the last couple of weeks as if she hadn't already.
Which is strange to me.
Why would Laura Loomer attack Marjorie Taylor Greene but leave Susie Wiles alone?
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe I'll get to that later.
But you know what's funny is, again, this is why you just have to go with honesty.
And I wish somebody just would have told Trump.
Honestly, honestly, Donald, they'll forgive you.
They'll forgive you for being on the list.
They will.
I don't think anybody thinks Trump was into the creepy stuff.
I don't think anybody thinks Trump was into the immoral stuff.
It's not a secret Trump likes beautiful women.
Okay?
There's no surprises here.
We already went through the grab her by the pussy tape.
We've already gone through the fake rape allegations and convictions and everything else.
Like, we've been through this.
Honestly, MAGA would have looked at the list and if Trump's name was on it, would have said, Trump, we forgive you or we don't think you did anything illegal or immoral.
But instead, you try to treat us like idiots.
Instead, you try to insult us and now you're adding the insult to the injury that is your approval rating, your poll numbers, the midterms coming up.
You would have been better off just doing the full release, keeping your name on there and just saying, there it is, you wanted it.
You would have been 10 times better off.
And if somebody's in your near saying, oh, the media is going to run with it now.
Oh, the media.
So what?
What are you talking about?
The media's been attacking you for eight freaking years and it doesn't work.
Nobody trusts them anymore.
You should have just been honest.
Oh, boy.
So here's Bill O'Reilly.
This is just hilarious, folks.
And this is why it's so embarrassing for the people that are committing to this.
Look at Bill O'Reilly, who's become almost completely irrelevant, losing his Fox News gig.
I don't know.
Again, is this people just trying to get like a doggy bone from Trump?
Like, oh, wag the tail.
Maybe I'll get a doggy bone.
So here's him trying to reason with this complete disaster, and the host just completely embarrasses him.
By the way, this happens twice In the same interview, I didn't send both to the crew, but just understand, this happened twice.
It's like Pam Bonte in her 2000 and I think it was the night or whenever the Pam Bonnie, I played it yesterday on the Alex Jones show, and she's on Fox News years ago before she was Trump's attorney general.
And she says, Gerlane Maxwell, multiple times in an interview, she's, you know, she's blaming the Epstein cover-up on Merrick Garland.
So maybe that's what Bill O'Reilly saw?
Pam Bonte blaming it on Merrick Garland, even though it was Bill Barr who was AG when Epstein was charged again and killed himself in prison.
That was Barr.
That was Trump's attorney general.
It's like denial is a hell of a drug, man.
I get it.
So Pam Bonnie, it's Gurlaine Maxwell.
Gurlaine Maxwell.
She doesn't even know her name.
Bill O'Reilly.
Well, you know, he was brought in and charged under Merrick Garland.
It's his fault.
No, he wasn't.
What planet do these people live on?
So it's like, what conclusion are you supposed to reach?
Are they just that out of touch?
Do they just not do the research?
They just want to talk about it?
Is it another like generational gap that they just can't fill in?
They just can't touch it?
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's just this generational thing and they just do not get it.
They don't understand the cultural significance.
They don't understand the political significance.
It's Gurlane Maxwell.
Oh, it was brought in under Merrick Garland.
You don't even know what you're talking about.
How can anybody take you seriously?
So now it's, oh, oh, we're going to bring Gurlane Maxwell in for testimony.
But I'll play that clip for Mike Johnson coming up in the short segment next.
And then the Democrats with their political push to release the files.
Again, we're in political bizarro world now.
But you may recall the other day, and I was like, well, why would they even do this?
It's another situation where it's like, you're better off just shutting your mouth.
Former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett says, I can assure you with 100% certainty that Epstein never worked for Mossad, no ties to Israel.
So it's just like Epstein didn't kill himself.
Nobody believes it.
And I'm thinking, well, why would you even do this?
So I'm thinking, okay, because I see all these accounts and I see these, all of these paid propaganda accounts and the digital influence accounts.
And they're all posting the same thing.
See, see, Epstein never worked for Mossad.
It's a conspiracy theory.
No evidence.
No evidence.
They just make claims.
No evidence.
And it's like for the people that have been there and done the research, we know it's Ghylaine Maxwell, not Gurlain.
We know that Epstein was brought in again under the Trump administration, not the Biden administration.
And we know of all the huge ties of Epstein to Massad, Robert Maxwell, Ghylaine Maxwell, Israeli prime ministers going to Epstein's house.
Like, give me a break.
Oh, no evidence.
So I'm thinking, well, wait, okay.
So I was going to start posting the story and these people that say there's no evidence where Epstein literally said, and I'm sure it was just a brag to these girls, because Epstein was probably a loser creep who just got brought in as like this underage sex slave pimp, probably being run by Maxwell.
That whole power dynamic was probably Maxwell was running the thing.
He was just the underage sex slave pimp that just ran all the blackmail operation and had all the facilities.
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go get the proof and I'm going to show you Epstein used to brag about how he worked for Mossad.
And he probably knew Maxwell was running the whole thing.
And that's why she's maybe still alive in a prison right now.
And I've gone along here and I'll show you on the other side.
But I thought, why would they do this?
Why would they come out and say, oh, Epstein never worked for Mossad just to have the Streisand effect take over?
And then I figured out what it was.
And I'll have to show you that on the other side.
The damage control on the Epstein debacle continues.
But I thought to myself, why would they even do this?
Why would the former Israeli prime minister come out and release that statement?
And then I'm scouring the web yesterday and it hit me.
Folks, it's called what we're going to call, we're going to call it a digital cover-up.
And I went and tested this out and I did a screen record video and the crew can put that on the screen now.
And you can go do a timed search on Google or any search engine you want.
And before the former prime minister made that comment, if you would have searched something along the lines of Epstein Mossad or Epstein claimed to be Mossad, that's what I searched just to keep it more even more specific so you can just see how the digital cover-up worked.
Now, every single story is former Israeli prime minister says it's patently false.
Epstein never worked for Mossad.
So before he said that, if you did a Google search, Epstein Massad, every story would have been Epstein Massad.
Epstein claimed to work for Mossad.
Epstein worked for Mossad.
Robert Maxwell, Epstein, Massad.
But now, because the Israeli prime minister said, nope, never was Mossad, now you search it and that's all you get.
That's called a digital cover-up, ladies and gentlemen.
And you got to give it to the Israelis.
I mean, they've mastered, they have to be the best in the world at propaganda and espionage.
I don't even think it's close.
They are the best.
And they ran the digital cover-up on Epstein Massad, and they did it perfectly.
And now when you search Epstein Massad, all you get is, nope, Epstein wasn't Massad.
When before he made that statement, all you got was, yep, Epstein was Mossad.
Isn't that amazing?
Or maybe this is more amazing.
Maybe the real Mossad asset, Maxwell, is going to testify before Congress.
Do you think this is even going to happen?
Or is this just more damage control?
Here's Mike Johnson with Benny Johnson saying, oh, yeah, he'd like to see Maxwell testify in front of Congress.
Speaker Johnson, this is sort of on the heels of something else that a lot of people are asking questions about.
And because we've been lied to by our federal government for so long, I feel like there's some type of like a pain, there's a pain point, right?
And the pressure cooker that gets heated up on issues like the Epstein issue.
Right.
And obviously that's something that's taken over a lot of the online dialogue.
But a question here about it that concerns either testifying or testimony for Julane Maxwell potentially before Congress, or if you would support members like Marjorie Taylor Green or Anna Paulina Luna on the release of subpoenaing the Epstein documents from the DOJ, whether you would support either of those.
Yeah, I haven't talked to Marjorie or Anna about that specific subject, but I'm for transparency.
We're intellectually consistent in this.
Look, Reagan used to tell us we should trust the American people.
I believe in that principle.
I know President Trump does as well, and I trust him.
I mean, he put together a team of his choosing, and they're doing a great job.
It's a very delicate subject, but we should put everything out there and let the people decide it.
I mean, the White House and the White House team are privy to facts that I don't know.
I mean, this isn't my lane.
I haven't been involved in that.
But I agree with the sentiment that we need to put it out there.
And, you know, Pam Bondi, I don't know when she originally made the statement.
I think she was talking about documents, as I understood it.
They were on her desk.
I don't know that she was specific about a list or whatever, but she needs to come forward and explain that to everybody.
I like Pam.
I mean, I think she's done a good job.
We need the DOJ focusing on the major priorities.
So let's get this thing resolved so that they can deal with violent crime and public safety and election integrity and going after Act Blue and the things that the president is most concerned about as we are.
Yeah, well, we all are, but unfortunately, they just made it 100 times worse.
And the more they do damage control and the more they try to cover their ass and the more they lie to us and put out obvious political propaganda, the worse it's going to get.
Now, what are the odds that Maxwell is actually going to get to testify in front of Congress?
Does she really want to even do that or does she realize that's a potential death sentence?
So, I mean, I don't do we even trust her to be honest?
I mean, I don't know.
So it just sounds like more damage control.
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Okay, I do want to move on from this Epstein thing, so let me just kind of clear out the rest of the cobwebs here.
They just brag about something, some connection that they have.
So, yeah, I'm sure he's running around with these women.
He feels all cool.
And he's like, yeah, you know, I work with Masad.
You know, I'm a spy, right?
And so then they run their digital cover-up with the former prime minister saying, nope, didn't happen.
And then they just rewrite the entire internet algorithm.
But when you start seeing this pivot now, because this is what it is, since they failed on covering up the Epstein files, since they failed on getting you to move on, now they're pivoting and they're saying, oh, no, no, no.
Epstein was just a money guy.
That's what this is really all about was laundering money.
President Trump understands what's at stake in Ukraine and what it will take to show Putin his days of acting with impunity are over.
Neocon Warhawk Mike Pompeo.
Neocon Warhawk Nikki Haley.
The only way the Russian-Ukrainian war comes to an end is when the United States puts its weight behind NATO and Ukraine.
Of course, because NATO, Ukraine is not a member of.
So she has to make that distinction.
It's Putin's nightmare.
Kudos for Trump for acknowledging who the real aggressor in this war is.
The Ukrainians are good fighters.
They will finish it if they have the ammunition to do so.
Folks, there's a report that is really hush-hush right now.
The TSA, who does firearms training, are out of ammo.
So they've been doing dry fire drills, dry fire drills for some time now, for the foreseeable future, I suppose, because they don't have any ammunition.
Because we have hollowed out our military reserves.
We have hollowed out our military capabilities, our ammunition.
Now, look, TSA is a joke.
So maybe they're just going to shut it down and that's why they're not getting the ammo?
I don't know.
But my theory is that they're out of ammo because we've sent it to all the Ukraine.
That's my theory.
See, nobody's really talking about that angle.
And now we're supposed to back Israel's multiple front wars.
We're supposed to back Ukraine with more force who's losing badly to Russia.
So I see the report from days ago, and I'll play some of these responses.
And Trump pretty much denied it today.
We'll play the Trump clips too.
So I'm like, okay, would they be putting out this fake news just like they try to manipulate the situation with the Iranian nuclear sites?
Would they be putting out this fake news to try to get Putin or get Ukraine or get Trump to escalate a war?
We know deep state propaganda works like that.
We know the military-industrial complex works like that.
So could it be all propaganda?
Or could Trump have been popping off on the phone and said, yeah, let's bomb Moscow?
But clearly, the warmongers, the war hawks, they want this war to continue.
They want the death to continue.
And you can't, there's no other way to slice this, folks.
And Trump blames it on Biden, and that's fine.
Biden got us into this war.
They spent $300 billion, but Trump was supposed to stop it.
And now they're going to be sending more aid.
So we are directly involved in this war.
And now, just like Obama ran on stopping the foreign wars, then he bombed like 13 different countries.
Now Trump said we're going to stop with the Ukraine war, and now he's going all into the Ukraine war, too.
So there's no other way to put it.
That's just the facts.
And when you have the neocons and the warmongers celebrating it like this, that is bad news.
And Nikki Haley says, this is a win for peace.
Oh, yeah, more people dying.
You disgusting bitch.
This is a win for democracy.
Oh, really?
When was the last time they had a vote in Ukraine?
Could you tell me that?
Tell me how, who is the real president of Ukraine?
When was there an election?
When did Zelensky's emergency powers expire?
Nikki Haley, you sick, disgusting freak.
So when Nikki Haley and Mike Pompey were happy about extending the war with Russia, that's bad news.
So Russia hears this and Putin comes out and warns of a nuclear Armageddon.
Now, what have I been theorizing here?
I've been theorizing that the respect or dare I say even fear that Trump instills on the rest of the world and maybe even dare say our enemies, I think it's gone.
And they're trying to play it the exact opposite because of the Iran strikes.
Folks, I don't think so.
I think it's the opposite now.
Now, this all hinges on what the truth is about his phone call with Zelensky, but I think it's different.
I don't think it's Trump says something and the world reacts.
Now it looks like Putin says something and Trump reacts is what this dynamic appears to be to me.
Russia warns of nuclear Armageddon after Trump's latest Ukraine move, and now Trump is waffling and backing off.
So this is from earlier today.
Trump was asked about this.
Guys, give me one, two, and five.
One, two, and five back-to-back to back for me.
We'll do these back-to-back-to-back for the sake of time.
Yeah, I think the power dynamic has shifted here, folks.
This ain't the same Trump from the first administration.
It's not the same power dynamic geopolitically as the first administration either.
And the evidence is everywhere.
And even in this response, and it's like, I don't know why Trump just doesn't bury Biden on this issue instead of he says, oh, you know, Biden did this.
Well, now you're doing it.
You're not ending it.
And you even said if your negotiations failed, which now they have, that you would just pull out and say, let him fight it out.
So why are we not doing that now?
Why are the neocons and the Warhawks winning again?
Why is Nikki Haley and Mike Pompeo?
Why are they taking a victory lap?
But I don't understand.
It's like he alludes to it.
You know they're not going to ask Joe Biden.
You know Joe Biden doesn't even know where he is.
Why don't you ask Joe Biden why he did it?
Well, do you know the answer then, President Trump?
I assume you do.
I assume that's why you're forcefully asking the media that.
So why did Biden do it?
Why don't you tell us, President Trump, why did Biden do it?
Because we know why he did it.
Because of your foreign policy success, quite frankly, because of your foreign policy success in your first term, you cut off all of the proxy groups.
You cut off all the different proxy terror groups and militant cells and everything else in the Middle East.
You cut them all off.
They weren't getting the funding.
They weren't getting the weapons like they were during the Obama years.
You cut them off.
You bled them dry.
You did your victory labs.
You said you defeated ISIS.
It's all military industrial complex intelligence groups, intelligence agencies, proxy wars.
And you cut them off.
You cut off their air supply.
So they had nothing.
So they used Ukraine as the weapons laundering and the money laundering operation to rearm and refund their proxy groups.
And they got their attack on October 7th, and they got the fall of Syria.
That's why Biden did it.
And they probably armed some other groups in Ukraine.
And Ukraine got some of the stuff too to attack Russia.
But it was a way bigger operation than that.
That was a CIA operation.
And then working with Mossad for October 7th and working with Iran for October 7th and Hezbollah and Hamas and all the different groups for October 7th.
And then working for the toppling of the Syrian regime.
They laundered all the weapons, all the money through Ukraine.
That's why they didn't do any oversight.
So why don't you just say that?
Biden's not going to talk.
Just say what they did.
But it's like the same thing with the Epstein files.
Well, he can't because now he's funding Ukraine more.
Now we're sending more defense, more military support for Ukraine.
So he can't say it.
It's like, yeah, well, I'm going to come out and admit that Ukraine.
And by the way, this is how sick they actually are.
This is why people like Mike Pompeo and Nikki Haley are demonic.
The whole thing is just demonic.
You know, I'm politically a pretty cold person.
Like, I'm not going to shed a tear because you lost your welfare.
Sorry.
I'm not going to shed a tear because you came here illegally and now you're being deported.
Sorry.
I'm not going to shed a tear.
I'm pretty cold policy-wise.
I'll be honest.
I'm pretty cold.
Very, even heartless, you might say.
But when it comes to human life, that's a different story.
And these freaks are signing missiles that end up killing children, and they're sending hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men to the slaughter.
They know they could never win this war.
They knew NATO and the EU and America would never really back them in this war, but they'd use Ukraine for their criminal operation, and they'd send hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian into the slaughterhouse to die.
I think Putin should take seriously what he saw happen in Iran.
That is a powerful United States response trying to deter our adversaries and build out a peace regime.
That's the president's goal.
He's been pretty consistent on this for the entirety of his presidency, including in his first four years where we put real pressure on Vladimir Putin.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that Vladimir Putin lied to President Trump.
He lies to everyone.
Now we can see that there is a pathway to getting peace.
And I think what President Trump announced yesterday alongside General Secretary Ruto, the head of NATO, was a closer, deeper, bigger step towards peace than we have seen so far.
Yeah, I actually served during the first term for President Trump.
Surprisingly, even though I'm conservative, I also served in the White House in a technical capacity under Obama.
It was an apolitical position before anybody like has a heart attack.
Spent the last six years as a security contractor doing a lot of overlap with DOD elements and IC intelligence community elements.
And then as of recently, I don't know if anyone remembers, but it was all over X right when Heg Seth announced that he was going to be kicking out CNN and CBS and in was coming in Breitbart and One America News.
So I had been contacted by OAN to come on into the Pentagon to take over the CBS suite and report every single day at the Pentagon what's going on.
And it was awesome.
Loved it for a hot second because very quickly as I entered in, I honestly thought it was going to be a damn easy job considering, okay, I'm MAGA, have been since the get, conservative, and DOD ops are kind of within my wheelhouse.
So anyway, showed on up and within moments of me being there, I think it was the very first week, we were told that the Pentagon press briefing room would be locked.
Thought that was really weird.
I was a White House correspondent at one point in time as well, in between of all these other jobs I've done prior.
And that never happens at the White House, whether or not the president's there or on a trip.
So that was a new one for me.
That was not typical.
That press briefing door room is always open and always has been, no matter what administration has been through there.
So a little bit of that was going on.
Then there was no press briefings at all.
The one press briefing that happened up until that point before I had been fired was Sean Parnell, who became the spokesman instead of the press secretary.
The press secretary hasn't once done a press briefing.
There's been two so far in that seat.
Neither one of them has ever done a press briefing.
So Sean Parnell had done one.
I was contacted by his team to for me to send to them three questions to give them a heads up, I suppose, of what I was going to be asking.
I thought that was weird, but at the same time, I was like, all right, they're new, like just trying to get their feet wet and surely they'll answer my questions.
And at that time, too, it was about Gitmo.
And I know everyone remembers the footage that came out for Seacot, right?
Where all the criminals were being passed on over into El Salvador.
And we have a one-year agreement with the United States and El Salvador to keep all of these criminals in Seacot.
So I was like, all right, all good news to me.
I got no questions about it other than do we foresee now that DOD has taken on this very huge responsibility that they didn't do in the last administration.
And then it was kind of new for the Trump administration to roll that out.
But getting DOD more involved in homeland security overlap within the borders and beyond.
So I was like, OK, question very simple.
How much is it going to cost and do we anticipate at least maybe after one year doing another deal where it lasts maybe two years?
What are we looking at in general?
This is at the same exact time that everybody was freaking out and say everybody, not necessarily us, but like left freaking out about Gitmo and the standards there and what we were doing over there and whatever.
So very simple.
And when they finally called on me, I was the second question.
They didn't even answer it.
They responded back saying, well, that's a question for homeland security.
Can't answer it for you.
And so anytime I've ever had any inquiry, it was always kind of which I was surprised about again.
Right.
Because, you know, OAN or, you know, any of the more left leaning outlets, it's kind of it's easier for me in some senses, right?
When you're dealing with politicals to get the answers to the questions that we all want.
Right.
Because they're usually pretty damn excited to answer those.
But it became something completely different.
So that was very disheartening.
And then moving forward again, there was no press briefings.
I even found if anyone remembers when Dan Caldwell got escorted out of the Pentagon, the only way that anyone knew that he even got escorted out of the Pentagon, which, you know, I'm not dumb when it comes to how nasty the media can be.
You know, like I'm not making any excuses for some of the BS that we constantly are being thrown.
That's the whole point of the MAGA movement.
Yeah.
Trump is the actual individual that, you know, created the hat, wears the hat, literally and figuratively.
But at the crux of it, when this all started back in 2015, it was hold on a second.
We are so hyper obsessed with our government and letting them do whatever they want.
forgot what america was even about and asking the right questions so i say all that to say there is an element of press whether you want to call it new press old press bad press good press whatever the hell you might want to call it um the only reason we even knew dan caldwell all these people started getting pushed out of the pentagon was because the pentagon reporters that were physically in the building saw him walk out so um you know during that time dan caldwell got really popular and was on tucker carlson and i remember uh everyone being like,
Oh my gosh, why is Susan Rice on one of these policy boards over at the Pentagon?
I can tell you I was the first person to sound the alarms to Headseth's team and go, Hey, so I say this, and I'll make it make sense in a hot second is that, yeah, I'm critical, sure.
I'm fair.
I'm not just going to blindly be like, Yeah, it's cool.
We don't got accountability because I love Headseth or I love Trump.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's not, you mean, look at the Epstein stuff, not to get on a whole tangent on that, but Paul, what was getting stepped taken out?
He goes on Tucker.
Now, all of a sudden, people have a little bit more eyes on what's going on post-SignalGate because we were told it was fake news.
It was no different than Russia hoax.
Same thing with the Epstein files, whatever you want to say.
And he had said, oh, you know, by the way, Susan Rice and all these other Biden-Obama holdovers are actually on these Pentagon DOD boards.
I was the one that contacted Headset's team and I had said to them individually through text and on phone, hey guys, you got this policy board.
Is it up to date?
Yeah, it's absolutely up to date.
And I said, all right, well, you know that the base is not going to be too happy about that one because I'm obligated to report it.
I'm not going to just hide something because you guys like me or you like my outlet.
And they didn't respond.
I called, they said they'll give me an answer, what they're going to do about that, never heard back, called the Pentagon office directly that handles that policy board that I identify in the sub stack.
And they seem to have no issue either and even wrote me back in an email.
I tag it in my sub stack being like, yeah, we're happy that this thing is up to date.
So I report neutrally up until that very point, still reporting neutrally.
I was asked on one of our shows to talk about Singlegate.
And now, again, this is during Dan Caldwell and Darren Selniff and all these people getting moved out of the Pentagon.
And they asked me, one of the show hosts point blank asked me, hey, Hank says, does he stay or does he go?
And I honestly, this is what got me in trouble moving forward.
This was in April.
I honestly said, based on the sources that I have, and if you look at the frequency of his firings compared to the frequency of his hirings and the first Trump term, all that together signals to me that at a bare minimum, he has a year.
I said he's fine up until the winter time.
And I was defining that and said, hey, you know, this is based on the information I know.
And he probably should just have a little bit more confidence and maybe start exercising some of the press briefings.
Because the administration, when you count how much it costs to bring these people on board to have them at a bare minimum have a public trust, which is what is required at bare minimum working in the government, those all cost money.
There's no way the administration is going to be like, keep on hiring people if we're going to kick you on out.
So I had said that immediately.
This is when it gets, this is when it gets problematic because you talked about this throughout your whole show.
I just watched as soon as you started talking about the fact that what are we like trying to gatekeep for the administration?
I said that I got a call from one, from two people within my organization, my news network, who were contacted by one individual on the White House press team and another individual from Hegset's press team,
them telling that person from my former employer that I was, quote, a problem for the administration for saying that Hegset may depart.
Now, outside of that, Trump has had three defense secretaries his first term.
Most presidents have two to three.
It's very impatterned for them to depart in the wintertime.
So there's that.
The person that relayed this information to me said, and this was in response to they had clipped me being interviewed for the show and put it on X and it went viral.
And so they had said that they were happy that the administration was unhappy with me because that means they're watching because they've had issue with getting administration officials on their show.
So all in all, the clickbait for this network that I worked for worked for them, but apparently they didn't care that it was going to have a target, I would have a target on my back now.
So anyway, a month after the fact, so this is two government officials contacting my former employer a month after the fact.
Now I've had this sub stack.
I've had two articles up about working at the Pentagon and information that I think is super important.
I've also talked about the AutoPen.
I've worked in the White House again, first term for Trump, so I know this stuff.
And I've never had an issue with anyone calling out my sub stack in the past.
Well, a month later, after that initial phone call, the same individual from Hegsth's team contacted my employer to what I was told yell at my employer for the article that I had written, which was, again, all about just the SOPs that are problematic that were happening at the Pentagon.
So I want to kind of just put a bookend on this and then get into some of the finer details.
So in other words, what they wanted out of you, not your former employer, I assume you're talking about OAN, but not your former employer, but it sounds like what the Pentagon wanted out of whoever was in there from the press.
They just wanted yes people.
They just wanted people that were going to go in there and report good news.
I suppose you could put it that way.
And so when you decided to report the facts as you saw them, they forced you out.
Honestly, no one shows up until like noon because there's nothing.
There's no press briefings.
But the bigger issue here is that after that fact, I get a phone call from another Pentagon official, again, under Headset's team, calling me to say, after he saw the sub stack went viral, I got like 50, for me, viral is 50,000 views.
Like I'm a regular person.
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I just, you know, I'm not, I'm not you, you know, you got a good following.
But like, so this thing was getting some traction and they called me and they said, what do you want?
What do you want?
Do you want your job back?
I have a good relationship with that.
I'll get you your job back.
And they said to me, what happened to you in us forcing you out was a direct quote was I was a cancer of what's going on at the Pentagon under OSD, the office of the Secretary of Defense.
Well, you know, this actually, it makes me, it gives me some confirmation of my fear now, which is that the way the Trump administration is handling this and maybe even Trump himself, it's hard because there's so many different moving parts is that they basically, MAGA doesn't really mean anything to them anymore.
And Trump doesn't have to run for reelection.
So even strategically for himself, whatever, he can move on and it doesn't matter.
But it sounds like to me, they don't even really care about MAGA or the base anymore.
They've got enough people that they know will carry water for them.
They've got enough people that they know will just report whatever propaganda, whatever they want them to report.
So they're just not interested.
And now, look, it's one thing to kick the fake news out of there and deal with that.
It's a whole nother thing to say, hey, we're not going to have anybody reporting something we don't like.
But I want to get into some of the finer details here.
And by the way, because I've talked to other people that worked in the Pentagon, it sounds to me like you worked there for about two weeks before your morale gets near to zero.
That's just kind of the situation at the Pentagon at large.
But like, for example, the situation with Caldwell, what do you think is leading to all of this?
What do you think is leading to so many people getting walked out or getting removed like yourself?
Yeah, I think it's just kind of an easier, like fix the problems as easy as you can.
The problem being if you have to answer to anything.
I mean, if they think that SignalGate was problematic, I mean, I can think of like a bunch of different communication options as how to tackle that one, which I did for them, not in a sense of like that I'm like running cover, but there's a whole other topic of conversation talking about COVID communications and the lack of accessibility because of IP and certain, there's just, oh, there is a lot of details that they easily could have just fell on and said, hey, our zipper phones don't, you know, handle communication up to X of this level.
Everyone uses Signal.
You can go to the CIA farm.
Everybody has Signal on their phone.
I mean, everyone's using it.
So it's more of like a thing that they inherited in this second term because we've been using it since 2014.
But outside of that, just to answer your question is like, is it easier just to take away the mic on someone?
Is it easier to take away the mic or the ability to knock on the door?
I'm sure Caldwell was knocking on the door going, hey, you know, with the situation of Iran, this is my evaluation.
And also, I mean, tying back both of those, I guess, to signal, because that's where all these departures were happening.
Just say that there were leakers and people that were defectors.
I mean, their first press secretary, albeit, yeah, he put out an op-ed and I was like, ooh, during that time when it's very early on, everyone was like, there's chaos at the Pentagon.
Well, it sounds like to me my interpretation when it was all going down was that there was like, there was headbutting going on when it came to foreign policy.
And I wasn't even so sure how much Hegseth had to do with it.
It looked like Hegseth kind of had his own thing going on with maybe trying to get a word in edge-wise with President Trump on foreign policy.
And maybe he wasn't even overseeing things at the Pentagon like people before him had.
And so it kind of just got lost in translation.
How much of this do you think just has to do with foreign policy head-butting and the powers that be just say, if you're going to butt heads with us, you're not going to be here anymore?
Yeah, well, it's exactly what we're talking about.
The perfect example is what was going on with Iran.
And so all of a sudden, everyone in MAGA just drew a line in the sand.
Oh, you hate Trump.
You've never been here since the get, since the beginning of time.
You're an absolute defector if you don't support the strikes in Iran.
Like we totally lost the ability just to have healthy debate up to the very highest levels of the loyalists, which would be those that were picked to serve in the government.
And it's really unfortunate.
But there's also the other element too, as I can tell you.
And I would have thought this was fake news if I wasn't there myself, but there's all these articles that were running around saying like Hegset's wife is at the Pentagon.
And I was like, oh, that's fake news.
I'm not even going to think twice about it.
She's at the Pentagon.
Ricky Berea, who's a holdover close confidant of Lloyd Austin, is also at the Pentagon under Hegsteth's team.
And who am I thinking of?
Tim Parlator, the famous lawyer for Gallagher.
On all three of those, and I've heard from multiple accounts, and it appears to reflect the behavior of what's happening at the Pentagon.
All three of them are in front of Hegseth constantly showing him bad press, which just makes him more and more uncomfortable even addressing the press or having a solid answer for anything.
Because, yeah, you can say you can't stand Jennifer Griffin.
Like, I'm not saying one way or the other.
I understand the MAGA base doesn't like her.
But when she asked the question of, hey, yo, did you guys know if uranium is being transported or not prior to the strikes at those three nuclear sites?
His first answer, the first chance he had was to say how much he hated her.
Like, fake news or not, I mean, you got to answer some of those questions.
But when you constantly have these three-year-olds.
Do you think Hexeth, because I mean, I'm more inclined to kind of defend Hexeth because I think he's more aligned with what we would maybe call the original MAGA base.
I think the job can be pretty damn easy in the sense that the most conservative typical DOD elements that actually want to make gender neutral standards and not have the DEI stuff and don't want to drag us into the GWAT all over it and whatever that looks like in the modern day.
I mean, up for debate now.
But yeah, I think it's not that difficult to relay.
You're relaying what's going on within the Pentagon and you're relaying and executing what the president wants.
You're in the perfect position because you have able bodies that are strong and naturally conservative.
And you got a president that you totally believe in the beliefs that he has and elected him to do so.
So yeah, it's a pretty easy position in that sense.
So being able to go on camera or answer questions, I mean, he just has to relay the information, not necessarily even defend it because the left is always going to want you to, they're never going to be happy even when you make the right decision.
So that's kind of just out of the question.
Yeah, I just think he's being surrounded by a lot of negativity.
And he should just take confidence in the fact that, like I said, I don't anticipate him out of the, out of there any sooner than you're sticking by that.
Yeah, it's just common nature.
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It's very, it's, that's within the he went through hell just to get the job.
I mean, that first article that I wrote in the sub stack was all about, hey, watch out for what has just happened in the GWAT.
I mean, some of us are still pretty young and grew up during 9-11, but people tend to forget, unfortunately, kind of what was surrounding all of that and what the Iraq war looked like.
And hey, I mean, they haven't put it in the sub stack.
Like Rumsfeld was there during Iraq and he tried to do the same thing that Hag Seth did, which was limit the access of press.
I'm not arguing that when they put that memo out and said, hey, we want to restrict press.
And the only thing I agreed with was, okay, they should have press badges.
That makes sense to me.
You have them at the White House.
But to say that all of these disclosures are Caldwell's fault or Celnik's fault or it's the single gate was was a was the media's fault.
Although I get good leaks, man.
Like I get good leaks that people tell me because they want Doge to take care of something or they want Congress to lift some restrictions so that I'm not paying $500 for a Microsoft cert per soldier when it really costs $150.
Well, you know, it is funny that you say that because there is, I'm not going with that leftist group that tries to spy on conservatives, but they call themselves the undercurrent.
But I mean, there basically is, there basically is this undercurrent now.
And I mean, whether it's Caldwell or these others, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to name names here, but like, let's just say there is serious pushback in D.C., anti-war voices, whatever.
They use surrogates to send messages to me and they're like, hey, don't.
And I'm independent.
So, I mean, it's different when you're working there.
But they're like, hey, don't let up.
Don't let up.
Don't let up.
I mean, that's the message I get.
Final 90 seconds.
Just, can you describe the differences between the first administration when you were at the Pentagon and the couple months you served for the second?
I think there was less fear or yeah, there was a higher confidence.
Everybody was just running on confidence going, hell yeah, this has never been done before.
We're going to be unapologetic about it.
We're going to listen to the people and we're losing a little bit of that.
That's the whole point.
That's my warning.
Don't lose it.
And everyone that's in MAGA, stop drawing damn line in the sand, have some healthy debate and stop freaking out every five seconds about whatever's going on.
We're allowed to ask when we're engaged in foreign policy.
We were allowed to ask that the first time around.
And I said it before, I don't want to really go, I don't want to lean into it yet.
It's too early.
But I mean, I'm like, Massey Green 2028.
That's your ticket.
That's your MAGA ticket now.
I won't go all in on that yet, but she is doing some things.
First, she's calling out the big issues.
This is what people are actually concerned about.
Americans want affordable living.
Housing and insurance across the board are extremely high and becoming out of reach for many young people and the middle class.
We do not want to give or sell weapons to Ukraine or be involved in any foreign wars or continue the never-ending flow of foreign aid.
We want to solve our problems, plaguing our own people, America, first.
I don't know how anybody could disagree with that.
She's also finding out the solutions to stop Democrats from stealing elections, which might be our only hope for the midterms that the Republicans are throwing away right now.
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And so here's what she wants to do in clip six: people who are not here legally in this country are not counted in the census, the Decian L census, which is done every 10 years.
Okay, so this has been a major issue for many people.
The census is done every 10 years and it counts the population and that is written in our Constitution.
However, our House district lines are created based off the population counted in the census as well as our Electoral College votes.
But now that we've had decades and especially the past four years of our country basically being invaded with tens of millions of people from all over the world, Americans don't feel like they're represented in Washington.
So I have a bill that calls for a new census.
It does count the population.
However, it has a second count, and that's counting American citizens only.
The second part of the bill calls for new reapportionment.
So district lines would be drawn based on the count of American citizens only.
That way, American citizens are represented here in Washington, D.C. And then the third thing my bill calls for is when anyone goes to vote in a federal election, they're required to show proof of citizenship when they show up to vote.
And this will drastically change our elections.
You'll see states like California lose Electoral College votes.
You'll see states like California lose House seats, as well as New York and other sanctuary states like Illinois.
I mean, for a two-minute clip there, she pretty much nails the political science.
It's actually 90 seconds.
And I have been harping on this for years.
And anybody that listens to this show knows I have been talking about this for years.
And that's what's so frustrating.
It's like we get this full force of the Republican Party behind whatever Israel's desires are.
We get the full force now of the Republican Party, except Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, maybe Rand Paul, on supporting Ukraine again.
And it's like, this is the issue.
Oh, they stole the 2020 election.
So damn well do something about it.
They didn't just steal the presidential election.
They probably stole a dozen House seats.
So Marjorie Taylor Greene gets it.
She pretty much nails the political science.
But that's what it is, folks.
I've broken it down a hundred times.
How they rig the House by gerrymandering the district, siphoning off the major metropolitan areas into the red areas to flip them blue.
How they rig the Electoral College by jamming all the illegal aliens into these blue states and then giving them extra electoral college votes.
That's why they don't want the citizenship question on the census.
I'm just stunned.
It's like, hey, Republicans, if you like power so much, then you might want to maintain it.
So whatever beef you have with Marjorie Taylor Greene, because she's actually America first and she's actually doing the job that most Republicans are too coward to do, you're going to want to get behind this.
This is how you will maintain.
In fact, it's your only hope.
This is your only hope of maintaining the house.
And maybe even winning in 2028, if I'm being quite frank here.
This is your only hope.
You will lose the house if you don't do exactly what Marjorie Taylor Greene is talking about here immediately.
Immediately.
It's the only way.
Why is it Marjorie Taylor Green seems to be the only one that gets it?
All right, third and final hour here of the Info Wars War Room.
Jake Shields joins me in studio.
I was really glad to see you on with Alex earlier today.
That was actually a major victory, I think, for all Info Warriors to get you two reunited and to just get people back on the same page.
And, you know, I think that you're kind of a student of this too, where we need to be able to have disagreements.
We need to be able to even passionately, vehemently political debate and discussion, and then at the end of the day, be able to break bread, shake hands, clink glasses.
And you don't even necessarily need to go through all the reasons of who was right and wrong.
Like, I was just trying to go on your podcast and you're like, no, you go do Alex.
And me and Alex are both stubborn, but finally like, all right, we sat down.
I'm glad we did.
You know, it's like, you know, it was important, you know, to, you know, maybe we both had some disagreements, but ultimately we have bigger issues to worry about.
And Alex is a legend, man.
He's done so much for, he's just done so much.
I think that's why I was angry with him because he's a guy I looked up so much.
And now, you know, it's so good he's on the right direction.
And like I said, it was good that I got to sit there and talk to him and be his friend again.
And also realize we're humans and all make mistakes.
And it's like sometimes you get in arguments, disagreements, but ultimately, if you're both on the same side working for better things, we need to stop all this infighting.
You know, there's so much infighting among groups.
And if someone mostly agrees with me, you should work together and put the small things aside and realize most people deep down are good people when you actually talk to them.
You always get the, oh, screw Democrats, screw Republicans.
I have so many good friends that are both.
Most people want the best, what's best for America.
Well, and it's just like, it's easy to assume something about somebody or make an accusation about somebody and then actually meet them and realize, okay, well, maybe you're not what I thought you were.
I forget the exact saying, but it's like your true character is what you do when you're alone, or your true character is what you do when the cameras aren't on.
And when I was talking to Thomas Rousseau, who leads the Patriot Front, and he was telling me about all the community service, I was like, oh, well, why don't you talk about that?
And the devastation, it's like unreal, you know, and you're out there actually helping people find stuff for missing property, people that have lost loved ones.
You know, I had a girl crying in my arms thanking me for founding like a family album, stuff like that.
It's like, I'm only out here helping for a day.
And they're like, it still means so much.
You know, these guys were there multiple days at Patriot Front.
Well, and that was because, you know, I had people that were there stranded and they were telling me, because it's like, I don't want to just come out and do negativity all day long.
But I mean, like 95% of the effort and response was just volunteers.
Like just seeing it with my eyes was just like, wow.
And I wish I could have given a lot more than one day, but at least now I can find other ways to give back.
It really motivated me to everyone, just give back a little bit, you know?
So it's not always bad.
You don't need to share everything you do, but sometimes encouraging other people.
Well, that was one good thing about Patriot Front.
It was a brotherhood, like 30 of us working together.
It made it so much more fun.
We were all working as a brotherhood.
We're holding each other accountable.
We were like Thomas was working his ass off along with everyone else.
We're making jokes.
It felt good.
I could understand why these guys, like personally, I would never be part of an all-only all-white organization, but I think they have the right to do that.
And they all, none of those guys had a single hateful word around me the entire time I was with them.
They don't say like racist stuff.
They're all friendly, nice guys.
So all the hate they get just doesn't make any sense to me.
Well, the one thing I was saying to Thomas, and not to make a thing of this, but, you know, I just said, have you ever thought about maybe changing up your uniform approach or something, you know, just to make it a little more palatable?
And he was like, you know, maybe we consider this stuff.
Because that's where, you know, optics is so key when it comes to politics.
Because, I mean, the truth is that most people don't really do deep research.
It's kind of like a first impression phenomenon.
And so they just see this group of guys in uniform face masks on, you know, I guess looking like Confederates or whatever.
It's like, oh, wow, that must be a bad group.
Or, oh, wow, that must be feds.
So you do have to consider the optics.
You saw them.
I don't know if they were in uniform or not, but I'm saying you saw them in the cameras.
Well, they were trying to block Patriot Front from going in.
Oh, we're going, not that it was too late to save lives, but we're going in trying to help these people find their family out and clear out their things.
It's like, and I'm not, we're cleaning all houses.
We're not asking like if it's just a White House because I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to help everyone's house.
You know, that's why you're seeing this fracture in the MAGA movement, because a lot of people on the right, a lot of conservatives actually have principle and they are free thinkers.
You can't just tell us one day you're against war, the next day you're for it.
Well, I don't even, Trump doesn't care because he doesn't have to win another election, but to see the Republicans so numb to the fact that they're just about to give away.
Yeah, I've had people make that same argument to me.
It's just insane.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
No, we're still giving you these weapons.
We don't want war.
I'm not trying to pay for you to go and massacre children.
And that's obviously to me, like, I have a heart.
That's a big deal.
I had to stop going to these Telegram channels because it was fucking up my psyche, waking up every morning and seeing 30 kids with their arms blown off.
It is great that you're independent too, because even when you and Alex were starting to veer directions, it was very clear you were never told to muzzle anything.
The reason they do that is because it's literally just a law.
So if you're going to get any sort of government aid, any sort of government funding, you cannot, you cannot.
It's not even fair to say you cannot criticize Israel, but that's basically that's the thrust of it.
So if you want to get any government aid here in Texas, yeah, they have the anti-Semitism, the anti-BDS laws, whatever, because you can't boycott Israel.
I'm going to slide it, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
I still think it was disgusting and evil, but the fact I talk about time is because they talk about all the time.
It's like, well, yeah, because America's funding this.
They completely control our country.
They stole our fucking nukes they've killed our soldiers they're just a parasite they're the number one spy threat they sell our military secrets they give a golden beeper to our president yeah that was like a death threat what the hell is that really a death threat because i was getting like that's what the jews are fighting with they was like send me a picture beep beep like a pager oh that's what they did oh well apparently a drone strike has hit a u.s run oil field in iraq oh that's what we were doing in iraq oh we're gonna get another war there yeah why were we in iraq prices are gonna go up we didn't even take any of the oil like not that i
Well, the school the Soviets had was a female school.
school i read i read they supposedly had they took a school after he shot himself but it wasn't even a male it was a female oh really that's what i read i couldn't i'm not 100 on that one i'm pretty sure that's true yeah i just remember there were other it was the cia other u.s intel that was like screaming he escaped to argentina i think it was even in hoover's was it would have been hoover's diary did they say it yeah i don't know i think it was it might have even been in hoover's hoover's diary or an fbi document and then argentina did a declassification and
Like we can implement certain stimuli and control somebody's brain.
And the two theories of thought were like, this is too dangerous.
We have to shut it down.
then the other theory of thought was we have to weaponize this yeah so i feel like they're more likely to weaponize it than shut it down well that's just the government for you but what ends up happening is oh the government's going to shut these things down and it just falls just conveniently into the private sector's hands it's like Oh, yeah, we shut it down, wink, wink, nod, nod, and then somebody else runs with it.
We should start having big organizations because it is weird when you see a lot of Jewish organizations push for open borders here, but they also want a Jewish ethnostate.
Like he was like, wait, so why do you guys have that?
And I'm like, well, I'm not even mad at Israelis for feeling that way.
I wish my country was that way.
Like, I wish Americans were the same way.
I wish Christians were the same way.
It's almost like, yeah, we can sit here and say, okay, here's what's going on.
But it's like, you know, if Americans cared about their homeland and the security of their borders like the Israelis did, we wouldn't be in this problem.
I mean, I don't know if tribal is the right word to use, but I wish that they were as loyal and forceful and moved in politics like Jewish Americans did.
Obviously, a bad thing for us, a good thing for him, but how loyal and they work together.
They completely, in most cases, not all, most cases, the Jew will put themselves before any other race, whatever country they're in, they'll put Israel first.
You see this.
That's in the anti-Semitism, not to say that, but you see it with your own eyes.
We were actually trying to work with, this is all on tape, by the way.
We were trying to work with the Capitol police.
So first we got there, we stood on this box of chairs that were set up for the inauguration, and we were telling people, don't go in.
It's a trap.
Don't go in.
Get out.
Stop people from going in.
It was too late by the time we got there.
So then we moved up around the side of the Capitol and, you know, we were with, we were with a couple former D.C. cops.
So they said, hey, let me go talk to them.
Maybe we can help.
You know, if there's anything we can do to help, maybe we can do it.
So we went and we tried to talk to some of the cops and we said, hey, we want to help you.
Is there anything we can do to stop these crowds?
Is there anything we can do to stop this?
And they were just so flummoxed and short staffed.
They were like, I don't know.
We don't know.
And then I don't remember exactly communications because I wasn't the one communicating with the cops, but they were like, hey, you know, just try to tell people not to go in.
You're Alex Jones.
A lot of these people know who you are.
Just try to get people.
They might listen to you.
So we tried it.
It was already too late by the time we got there, but we tried it and then we left.
But no.
So they ended up charging me with a lesser trespassing, standing on government grounds or standing on government grounds without a license.
I don't feel like there was that most, but everyone now agrees it wasn't a big deal, but at the time, most of the commentators didn't even back you up.
It's funny you say that because there were definitely some instances where having a good attorney helped, but at the end of the day, the result was probably going to be the same.
Like, we're just looking at each other like, did we just, are we in a cartoon?
And the prosecutors would sit there and look at the judge right in the face.
And they'd say, because our argument was you're trying to sentence me for free speech.
And so the judge would look, the prosecutors looked right in the judge's face and said, this is not about Owen Schroeder's speech, but here's what he said three times.
So I'm like, okay, so now CNN and MSNBC, which is still totally fake news propaganda, but it's like, I can get more value out of that now than I can even out of Fox News.
All right, a couple of things here before we sign off.
A couple of fun things.
All right.
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You know, he was blocking everybody on X because he was getting ratioed.
Well, he had to unblock it because of the law.
So now everybody can open.
So tonight, actually, immediately at the conclusion of this broadcast, Randy Fine is doing a telephone town hall, and you can give him a call, 855-756-7520, and you can tell him how great he is.
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