Owen Shroyer and Alex Jones expose the Trump administration’s abrupt reversal on Jeffrey Epstein’s case—dismissing blackmail claims, "chub porn" defenses, and suppressed client lists—while linking it to Mossad influence, Netanyahu’s U.S. visits, and FBI/DOJ cover-ups. Former prison guards question Epstein’s suicide, citing protocol failures and suspicious injuries, while callers tie his death to broader corruption, including ties to Les Wexner and geopolitical deals. The episode warns that public outrage over the suppression of evidence risks deepening political distrust and undermining accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
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And I'm a little floored here.
I got to be honest.
And I just ran over from Alex's studio.
I said, Alex, you got to come on today.
Just bust into the studio whenever you can.
And I invited a couple other people on today that weren't able to make it.
But I'm just sitting here.
I've got some news on my desk.
I can't even really cover the news, to be honest with you.
And there's some interesting stories, and we'll probably get to it at some point.
But watching the Trump administration triple down today on what can only be called the Epstein cover-up is simply unreal.
I don't even know how else to put it.
It's unreal.
It's the stuff of political nightmares.
The analogy that was in my head was, it's like if I'm going to a ball game, like say I'm going to a St. Louis Cardinals game at Bush Stadium, been the team I grew up cheering on.
It's got the birds on the bats and the red STL hats.
They come running onto the field and I'm cheering for them.
And it's like the Cardinals come running on the field, but they're in Cubs jerseys.
It's like they're in blue pinstripes with a blue hat now.
And I'm like, what the hell?
What the hell?
It's like the same guys on the team, but now they're wearing Cubs jerseys.
It's like the same guys on the team.
It's Trump.
It's Bongino.
It's Patel.
It's like, these are the good guys.
And now they're saying, no, Epstein case close, nothing to see here.
Like, what?
That's not my team.
What team is that?
I'm just floored by it.
And then there's maybe the less significant portion of this phenomenon that we're witnessing where, and I'm stunned by it, and I'm kind of cataloging this stuff.
And I don't normally do this, but people are sending me the screenshots.
And you have all of these people saying, hey, just shut up.
And I'm just doing this deep analysis, witnessing all of this in my head.
Like, what went wrong?
When did it go sideways?
And I think I've got it nailed down, but I'm going to get Alex in the studio.
I said, Alex, we just got to talk about this because he just had a great interview with Nick Fuentes, and he's been doing his great commentary.
But sometimes when you're a show host, it's harder to get your ideas out or what you're thinking as when you're a guest on a show and you can kind of think differently and respond to questions differently.
So I kind of want to just re-drill into Alex's brain dealing with all this.
And I'm not going to be sit here and I'm not going to sit here and be insulted.
I'm not going to sit here and watch people insult Alex.
There are very few people in this country that have suffered more than Alex Jones and myself for telling the truth and supporting Donald Trump.
And so I'm not sorry if I'm a little perturbed, to put it mildly, at this administration covering up the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking.
Well, it's only Tuesday and it's already been a crazy week.
But the behaviors exhibited and observed from the Trump administration are now reaching a point of no return.
And, you know, I'm trying to wrap my head around all of this and I'm getting a bunch of different political commentary.
I mean, just racking through it all morning.
And then the cabinet meeting happens and the worst of it drops and I'm watching it live and Trump scolds the media for asking about Epstein.
And then Bondi says, oh, no, I was never talking about a list.
I don't know anything about that.
No, you were just literally multiple times talking about the videos and the list and the clients and so was Bongino and so was Patel.
But oh, now it's, nope, nothing to see here.
And I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
And my fear that I believe I expressed yesterday that then Nick Fuentes expressed about 30 minutes ago on the Alex Jones show is, are we about to get now some weird retribution from the Trump administration for not being good lackeys?
And I've said this before and I stick by it and I mean it.
I'm never going to regret voting for Trump.
And Donald Trump freeing the political prisoners was worthy of support and admiration no matter what else happens and how sideways it goes.
So I stand by that.
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to come out and report what I'm seeing and report the major issues that are now happening within this administration.
And so I'm racking my brain last night and I'm racking my brain this morning.
And then we get hit With that haymaker of Trump scolding the media for asking about it, and it starts to feel retribution-ish with the Musk fallout and the Tucker fallout.
And I'm like, what?
Where did things go wrong here?
And I can't help but go back to the first big pivotal moment, which was the Iran strikes.
Now that as a single moment and a follow-up maybe has calmed down because the bombs have stopped flying, which isn't really accurate.
Israel has bombed three different countries since they stopped bombing Iran, and there's been multiple deaths now.
In fact, IDF soldiers have died.
So it's like, oh, you're bad.
You don't support the wars.
Well, even all the people that support Israel, you realize that Israelis are dying, and now IDF soldiers are dying too.
So I guess you support that.
I was against that.
You were for that.
So I guess you're celebrating that.
Of course, you're not.
But I'm digressing.
It was the Iran strikes where it first felt like, okay, something is wrong here.
And there was the internal struggle sessions in the Trump administration about what to do with Iran.
There was the internal struggle sessions going on about whose intelligence to trust and who's not.
There was the internal struggle sessions going on about what this is going to do to the Trump base and the MAGA movement.
And then ultimately what happens, we strike Iran.
It hurts the coalition.
It puts more fuel into this massive social, cultural, political commentator force of Israel runs our government, Israel runs our country, Israel runs our foreign policy.
And you're just kind of stirred by it.
And you're like, whoa, well, I mean, this is kind of hard to deny.
They lied to us about the whole Israel thing.
First it was, oh, Israel will do it on its own.
Okay, go ahead, Israel.
Then it was, oh, nope, never mind.
We need you guys to drop the bombs.
And then it's like, okay.
And then we dropped the bombs.
It's, oh, no, we need regime change.
And then kind of backed off because that would be the total disaster.
It's like, okay, things kind of calmed down a little bit.
And it's like, whoa, that was, that got a little messy.
And then here comes the big, beautiful bill.
And they're holding us hostage over the big, beautiful bill.
And they're doing the same tactics to get the bill passed that they've done in the past.
And they're doing the same thing of, oh, you can't get deportations.
You can't get invasion response.
You can't get military funding.
You can't get any of this until you pass the bill.
Meanwhile, Israel continues to get millions of dollars in aid every day.
Just broke another story yesterday.
We're spending tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild and build more Israeli military bases.
Then Trump comes out and says we're going to have more.
This was yesterday during the cabinet meeting.
Says we're going to have more aid for Ukraine, more military support for Ukraine.
That war was supposed to be over day one.
Now we're sending more money and weapons?
So it was like the Iran strikes.
It was like, whoa, hey, this is a little something's something stinks here.
It's like, okay, well, then things calm down.
And then here comes the big, beautiful bill.
And they're playing the same old games with us.
And it's like, it's that cinch again.
Here's that funny stench coming from this administration again.
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas.
First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox, and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said, I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file, along with the JFK, MLK files as well.
That's what I meant by that.
Also, to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be chub porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein.
Chub porn is what they were.
Never going to be released, never going to see the light of day.
To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.
We can get back to you on that.
And the minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter.
And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that video.
It's old from like 1999.
So every night the video is reset, and every night should have the same minute missing.
So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night.
And I'm wondering, because I almost can't believe it.
President Trump is in touch with the American people.
So I don't believe that this is a mismeasurement here.
I don't believe they've mismeasured the public interest in the Epstein case.
There's just no way.
I certainly know Cash Patel hasn't mismeasured it.
He's been in with it.
I certainly know Dan Bongino hasn't mismeasured it.
He's been in with it.
Now, Pam Bondi, who knows?
She might not know anything about it.
I wouldn't be surprised.
She kind of, I think, lives in her own little world, the Fox News world.
But Trump certainly knows.
He was asked multiple times on the campaign when he was going around doing the podcast tours.
He was asked multiple times about the list.
So he certainly knows the public interest here.
But now, what are we told to believe?
That Epstein and Maxwell, who's still in prison, who were charged in running a giant sex trafficking ring.
And Epstein with his Zorro ranch where he was allegedly trying to clone himself.
That's mainstream news.
His New York mansion with all the safes and all the videotapes.
And then his island, the pedophile island, with all the videotapes and all the cameras.
And now they're telling us, oh no, Epstein just, it was just Epstein's pornstash.
That's all it was.
It was just Epstein's pornstash.
So then what am I supposed to believe?
That the thousands of hours of video that she starts talking about they had to go through?
That the thousands of hours of video is what?
Just Jeffrey Epstein masturbating to porn?
This is ridiculous.
Oh, it's just videos of Epstein in his house.
It's just videos of Epstein masturbating to his pornstash.
Oh, it's just videos of Epstein, you know, because they didn't explicitly say it was him engaging in any sex act.
So what am I supposed to believe?
It's just his pornstash?
He just has this giant pornstash?
It's insulting to our intelligence.
To me now, like it's like politically, you could manage the Iran strikes.
You could manage the big beautiful bill.
This is unmanageable.
And I heard the analogy that Alex used earlier.
I'm going to bring it up whenever he joins me.
He talked about how if you got these two ships, and this is why now it's like Elon Musk's American Party is even more relevant than ever.
I mean, it's crazy.
I wish he would back off accusing everybody of being on the list, but whatever he's going to do him, and maybe he knows something we don't.
But it's like the Republican, the Republican ship.
It's like, yeah, the Democrat ship over here has broken glass everywhere and used up needles and a bunch of structure fire and everything.
But it's like on the Democrat ship, it's like, okay, well, here's the pile of glass.
Okay, don't walk on it.
You know, here's all the used up needles.
Okay, avoid that.
Here's the pile of feces over here.
Okay, we're going to avoid that.
Here's the fires over here.
But now it's like the Republican ship is like a bunch of booby traps.
It's like, oh, I'm going to step here and then the floor is going to fall out.
It's like, oh, I'm going to step over here and then a spear is going to come out of the wall.
But you can tell, you can tell from their body language, they know this thing is falling apart.
The wheels are coming off.
All their body language now.
All of them, including Trump.
It's Trump.
It's Bondi.
It's Bongino.
It's Patel.
It's Stephen Miller.
All of their body language, they know what's going on, folks.
So I don't know what's been done behind the scenes.
I don't know what deals have been made or what decisions have been debated, but I mean, clearly this deal is not what it was supposed to be.
Clearly, whatever we thought we were getting from this administration, whatever the purpose intended of this administration was going to be, it ain't it.
And it breaks my heart.
You think this is fun for me?
This is like a crushing blow.
And then you see this new shift.
And all the people that suffered for 10 years with the censorship and the attacks and the arrests and the persecution, all the people that suffered for 10 years for supporting Trump, now you're getting thrown overboard.
And all of these astro-turfed MAGA personalities who popped up out of nowhere in 2024, now they're MAGA.
And they're telling you nobody ever cared about the Epstein files.
And, you know, I'll defend the people in this picture here because most of them have publicly came out against the administration for burying the Epstein case.
So I understand why they get the flack and they were kind of set up in a bad situation.
It was a bad look.
It was a moment of confusion.
Bondi was the one that set them up.
It was all Bondi's bindergate fault.
But then, you know, they ran around with the binders and did a bunch of photo ops.
Not everybody did it.
But okay, so they get a little flack for that.
But I'll defend them today.
I look at the people in that picture.
I see Liz Wheeler.
I see Rogan O'Hadley, D.C. Draino.
I see Mike Cernovich.
I see Jack Pasobic.
And they're all like, what the hell's going on?
We're not forgetting about this Epstein case.
And by the way, they've all been there since 2016.
And I can have disagreements with them.
And we shake hands and say, well, agree to disagree.
We all want the same thing, though.
And now I have all these new MAGA people that I've never seen, never heard of before.
And they're attacking, saying, oh, no, Trump says forget about Epstein.
Oh, no, it's time to move on.
Oh, no, we never cared about Epstein.
You're disgusting.
And I can understand.
I don't support it.
I would never do it.
But I can understand selling out for politics.
I get it.
It's politics.
It's a corrupt world.
Okay.
And so selling out for politics, whatever.
That's one thing.
So it's like you've sold out, you're a MAGA brand, you're a Trump brand, and you're just going to be loyal to that, and you've sold out to that, then fine.
And it's like, is that what the administration has become?
Because if Trump would have just avoided it, like, you know, let Bondi take the fall.
Let Bongino take the fall.
Let Patel take the fall.
If they're not going to do it and they're going to cover it up, at least Trump can kind of stay out of it and not say anything.
And then he scolds the media for asking about it.
And then it's like, what?
What are you doing?
And hey, I mean, let's just be honest, because this is politics.
How do you think this is going to go in the midterms?
Iran strikes.
You understand how frustrating this is?
The Democrat Party could have been completely annihilated politically.
We could have crushed them.
They would have had no ground to stand on in the midterms.
And then we could have had massive success to run on in 2028.
And instead, you've now given the Democrats the ground on war, being anti-war and the Iran strikes.
You can now even let the Democrats claim to be physically responsible.
You say, well, that doesn't make sense.
It doesn't matter.
And now you're going to let the left own the Trump administration, the MAGA movement on the Epstein files?
What are you doing?
Now you've given the Democrats a path to win the midterms.
Now you've even given Democrats the path to even win in 2028.
And that might even be the minor issue considering what we're talking about here.
But this is just what's happening.
And I'm just stunned.
We're six months in, and it's like the wheels are already falling off.
It's not like a wheel needs grease or like maybe there's an uneven wheel.
It's like the wheels are freaking coming off of this deal.
And it starts to get a little scary.
Because it does start to feel like there's this new retribution.
And it just, it doesn't make any sense.
Nobody's asking.
And she says, we can't release the child porn.
Who's asking for that?
What does that even mean?
You want to talk about a straw man.
Nobody's asking for that.
It's pretty obvious Jeffrey Epstein was running a sex trafficking operation and people were whatever you want to call them, clients, friends, associates, pedophiles, rapists, whatever you want to call them.
Epstein, he killed himself and Jean-Luc Brunel killed himself and the two major high-profile Epstein whistleblowers and victims and they killed themselves too.
And Maxwell sitting in prison for trafficking a bunch of sex slaves to nobody.
Nobody.
Just Epstein just watching porn in his house recording it to watch later.
Oh, it's just absolutely ludicrous on its face.
So Alex Jones is coming in studio to join me right now, Alex.
We got about three minutes left in this segment.
But, you know, I've been watching Alex's show.
I've been watching his commentary on X, and I think we're both kind of in the same boat, which is like, you talk about getting nauseous and all of this stuff.
I'm like, I just have these sirens constantly going off, and it just seems to just keep going the wrong direction.
It's like, okay, tornado siren going off.
Okay, get to the basement.
No, it's like tornado siren going off.
It's like, oh, let's run outside and play in the tornado.
Well, I liked your analogy of you're a big fan of your baseball team in Kansas City.
Even going to it your whole life, and then you go there with your family.
You got popcorn, a hot dog, and Coca-Cola.
And all of a sudden, the team runs out and they're the Chicago Cubs.
I mean, it's, and people say, well, there's a lot of other stuff going on, like Trump said today.
Yeah, but this is all about the deep state.
This is all about the control.
It's all about Pizzagate.
This is all about what we know.
And to say there's no human trafficking, well, Gislan Maxwell was convicted of that, his partner crime.
There was no blackmail.
There is no list, even though they suppressed the client list in her trial, admit that's on record.
And he killed himself, and they show you some footage.
Well, around the corner is his jail cell.
So see, you know, you don't see anybody here.
I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous.
And again, is the one thing you do to turn your base against you.
And when you analyze that, well, if they went to the deep state and said, fine, make a deal with us to stop attacking, trying to kill Trump, and we'll shut this down.
And then they would say, well, we want you to go public and say it's all over and it's now closed.
And then everybody yesterday is like, oh, it's Bondi.
She needs to be fired.
Trump doesn't know.
And I said, he needs to come out and say he wants an investigation to continue and his pledge of releasing it.
Or I sat on the sheriff's chest.
I said, I think he's going to come out and say, no, I support this.
And he came out and said, the FBI is doing a great job.
Cash Patel, Dan Magino, this is a great job.
Now they can do important work.
In response to this, so no, it was Trump.
And I know the pieces.
And so now it's all confirmed.
And then after he blew up at that reporter, I blow up his very laser beams, let's just say, you know, that attempted intimidation of, oh, since part of this conference is about on any topic you want, is about kids dead in the Texas Hill country.
So you're desecrating their graves when, okay, let's go to questions now.
After they got a bunch of subjects covered, okay, what about Epstein?
He's let in the real press.
They're going to ask real questions.
But I got my big takeaway when we come back about this.
So this is important, though.
And at the end of the day, our integrity is king.
So you're always going to get what I really think.
I think God is protecting Infowars for moments like this because we should be shut down and we're still here breaking it down.
All right, I wanted to get Alex in, even though he just did four hours of his own show.
And then I think he did an hour or two even with Nick Fuentes, which you guys are great rapping back and forth.
But I said, I got to get Alex on my show because sometimes when you're sitting in the host seat, your brain works a little differently and kind of crunches information differently than when you're like sitting in a guest seat and I can kind of direct and lead and ask you questions.
You get to process information and communicate better.
So I said, I want to get that version of Alex here to kind of get a different boil down.
And so you were talking about, okay, let's do a response and let's break down the Trump video from today that really just, it just, it just blew us all away.
It'd be one thing if he didn't comment about it and kind of let Bondi and Patel and Bongino take the fall.
But then for him to do that today, that was just like, it just blew us away.
And I think larger than just that moment, it's just the body language from the entire administration has kind of changed.
And John Podesta, you know, the seven-year-old and the eight-year-old, nine-year-old will be in the pool at the hidden cabin in the woods for your entertainment.
They're well-trained, but remember they're kids.
So all of this, and so Trump was never part of this.
We never saw any proof.
And it's been well vetted.
But by extension, by coming into this cover-up, it now, after the fact, makes them accomplices.
And if I slow rolled that or whitewashed that, I would be an accomplice.
And my integrity, I can't even violate it.
I can't even think about doing it.
I can wargame it as a fictional extension, but I can't even ask myself, should I not do this?
Even though I look at all the good Trump's doing and the fact that we need him to succeed, the Democrats, we know are pure demons who want to destroy us and hang us by our toes and put us all in prison as they've done to you and try with me and all the grand juries and all the stuff.
So at the end of the day, though, it makes me sick and sad that it's going this direction.
I hope it doesn't continue to slide.
But at the end of the day, we have to do the right thing because God is the real arbiter of all of this.
And then I just wanted to say, thank God we're not the controlled frothing left and the death cult.
And thank God we're not Ben Shapiro.
I mean, Ben Shapiro is an Israeli operative, probably a Mossad officer.
And he comes out and attacks me today and said, don't be Alex Shogi.
And then he says, Epstein made his money normally.
He wasn't an operative.
Oh, yeah.
And so Ben Shapiro pleads with his audience, ignore Alex Jones.
It makes you dumber.
Okay.
Well, I can talk real fast to Ben Shiro.
So this guy is a scum bag.
And he's financed to come in and get Christian evangelicals to support him so he can come in with all of his support of tyranny, all his support of wars, all his support of COVID lockdowns.
Well, I mean, it's like Lindsey Graham saying, tell Donald Trump to go to hell.
So I don't want to hear from any of the base.
And quite frankly, I don't care.
My integrity's first.
And we're really getting about 90% support in this.
The base is really upset.
Even people that don't question normally are like, whoa, this is too far.
And then you saw Bondi, even worse than Trump's body language, how angry he was trying to shut down any future questions.
This is over.
It's done.
Like he said in his tweet or his ex post, it's done.
Move on.
Move along.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Move along.
That's not working.
And I'm not the one, like I said this, and I didn't want a cover-up, but I said when they first started to float this a few months ago with Bongino and Patel looking like they were hostages and they're in the headlights on Fox, I said, if you're going to do a cover-up because you think it's too dangerous, U.S. Intel's involved, you think it'll bring on a stock market.
I don't agree with that.
I suggest to be done with the heavens fall.
I said, shut up.
And again, delicious, that's not me saying do that.
I'm wargaming it.
That's what you get here is real wide spectrum analysis.
Instead, they have quadrupled down and quadrupled down again.
And then you got Bondi sitting there just bizarrely going, no, what I meant was I had it on my desk, but there's none of this and it was child porn, not victims.
Well, you said hundreds of victims.
Okay, we know he had hundreds of victims.
Okay, you got the Israeli prime minister dozens of times at the New York lair of Epstein.
So this is bleeding out in front of the world.
And this is like having your own lead chopped off.
I'm not happy about this.
And so when this becomes congressional hearings and when this gets worse and worse, remember that we were the ones saying you need to, you know, knock it off.
And so this is a self-inflicted wound of the highest order.
And then it makes me ask, who's blackmailing who?
Is Trump using the files and the videos to control Mossad and MI6 who are running this?
The CIA, I'm not defending him, but they were kind of junior in it.
They had tabs on it, but it was an MI6, Mossad operation, same thing.
And so is Trump blackmailing them?
Are they blackmailing him both ways?
Or is he just saying it's too dangerous?
It'll hurt the economy, move on.
And then they said, as part of the deal, well, you got to have your surrogates go out and say it's closed.
I was saying that yesterday.
Clearly, he said do it or his surrogates did it.
Now we know it's him.
And so it's a fact.
It is Trump.
This is Trump's orders.
And I'm not going to be gaslit anything else.
So that's the facts.
So let's go ahead and roll this clip of part of the cabinet meeting press conference today.
Well, so when you talk about the different potentials here of Trump maybe using the Epstein list or the blackmail for his own purposes or America's purposes, however you want to cut it, I say, okay, that's certainly a real potential.
I'd say maybe even a high percentage potential considering everything.
And that reminds us of Biden is in Vegas, collapses, gets flown, disappears for over a week, and Delaware comes back out of the tarmac.
No, I didn't resign out of the campaign.
But then if you wonder where it comes from, Trump is the leader of it, backing it, supporting it.
And then at first they go, oh, it's a fake leak from the left To make it look leftist, but Axios is the main CIA place they launch stuff now, not even the New York Times anymore.
And so they do that to claim, oh, it's a leak at first to get that out first, to say it's not real.
Then they actually come out with it the next day and say it is real.
That's all part of these tactics.
And that's what Kyle Serafin was talking about yesterday.
So, again, listen to this question.
Great job getting this up quick, guys.
Listen to the question and then look at Trump's response.
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas.
First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox, and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said, I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the files, along with the JFK MLK files as well.
That's what I meant by that.
Also, to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein.
Child porn is what they were.
Never going to be released, never going to see the light of day.
To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.
We can get back to you on that.
And the minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively, the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter.
And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that video.
It's old from like 1999.
So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing.
So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night.
So we can play all the clips of her on press conferences.
Hundreds of new victims seen the video, him doing horrible things to kids.
Now, no, it's just he was a child porn addict who just so happened to have all these airplanes, little kids flying around.
So this is about our souls, folks.
As much as we want Trump and see him shot and he's fought back and he's done so much great stuff, it's like going to your grandma's house you haven't seen in six months and you go in there and your grandma had gray hair and was five foot two and blue eyes and you walk in and the woman's Chinese and nothing is Chinese people.
That's kind of my example of your sports team.
You go in and suddenly you go see the Dallas Cowboys, the Washington Redskins run out and you're like, what the hell is this?
I mean, this is just like, what?
And so this is out of control.
It's extremely dangerous.
And I just wonder what's coming next out of all this.
And all these witnesses and women that have suddenly been dying.
And women all say, we never saw Donald Trump there.
So, and I mean, I know people that know Trump well.
He's not into kids.
So here's one of the three things.
Why don't we get to this bench burial thing?
It's so damning and so horrible with the world leaders and business leaders that are in it that Trump thinks it'll cause a depression and the destruction of U.S. credibility, which is a lesser of two evils decision.
I'm not defending if he did that, but you could see that as the only halfway moral thing, that it's just too damning.
And then there's the hybrid of that.
That's his main reason for doing it, but also they can now have the file and use it on the deep state folks to keep them in line.
But then if they made that deal for the deep state to start rolling over, they would say, but we want you to go out and say, tie yourself to it, say there's nothing there so we know it's over.
And that's the deal.
That's why they're being told to do this, why they look so upset, why they've been trying to roll this out the last few months have now officially done it.
So there's no doubt that.
And, you know, then you've got the third.
He is in the Epstein Files.
Whether he did something with kids or not, it's embarrassing.
And it contradicts him previously.
So he's being compromised by the leftist globalist CIA slash basad.
It's one of those three, a combination of those three.
I tend to think it's the first, that it'll be so destructive that, and I'm not defending it, that's, I know Trump's thinking, that they're just moving on from it because they're doing so much good on the border, shutting down trafficking, all the rest of the big issues.
But this has captured the public's attention.
So to say, forget this, go away, shut up, is only going to make a huge Streisand effect.
Here's your headline.
Trump just triggered the mother of all Streisand effects.
Alex Jones and Owen Schwarter respond to Trump freaking out on Reporter for asking about the Jeffrey Epstein case whitewash firestorm.
I mean, it's just like, again, watching Trump do, it's like watching somebody you really care about, like, oh, I'm going to just take these pliers, let's cut the finger off.
Oh, let's cut another finger off.
I mean, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And it's so bad, Even the normal influencers that would, if Trump took a crap on the floor, they get down and eat it and think it was Dutch chocolate ice cream.
People who never hedged their bets, people who never at any point suggested to you that they don't have data to back up the speculation, that the speculation was in and of itself the conclusion that if you speculate without evidence, that that amounts to an actual conclusion to an investigation, they're going to be very upset today because it turns out that the DOJ and the FBI have concluded that Epstein didn't have a client list and died by suicide, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.
Now, again, does this put to bed like all inquiries?
Of course not.
People can continue to speculate as much as they want.
And I think there's still open questions here regarding how did Epstein make his money?
That's a very serious open question.
The speculation for a long time was he made his money from blackmail.
But the DOJ and the FBI, again, run by people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are telling you, I'm not telling you, they're telling you people who are members of the Trump administration, people you elected and put into these positions to get you the truth on this matter, are telling you that he didn't, in fact, he was not murdered, he did not keep a client list, and he did not blackmail powerful figures.
Okay, right.
That is the that is the thing that they are saying, not I. They are saying this.
If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are in fact lying because I know Dan.
I don't think that Dan Pagino is lying to me.
I know Cash Patel a little bit.
I don't think Cash Patel is lying to me.
I don't think these people are lying to me, which means that if somebody else continues to claim that they're lying, they ought to provide their evidence at this point.
And now is the point at which the facts on the ground have changed.
And so either you ought to shift your opinion based on the facts that have now emerged, or you ought to acknowledge that this was never a fact-based inquiry in the first place.
Guys, he has integrity.
In fact, he's been called by some a prophet.
Tucker Carlson literally called him a prophet on his program.
So actually, this is a person whose own lawyer made the case in a custody hearing with his ex-wife that he was a performance artist.
This wasn't even the Sandy Hook trial where he tried to make the same case.
His lawyers claim that this man of integrity is, in fact, a performance artist.
Quote, he's playing a character and is nothing like his online persona.
Attorney Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pretrial hearing ahead of the right-wing Radio Jocks custody battle with ex-wife Kelly Jones.
Judging Jones by his InfoWars performances would be like judging Jack Nicholson by his depiction of the Joker on Batman.
That's his own lawyer saying that.
His own lawyer is saying that he was a performance artist.
Okay, that's his wife was making the case that actually he's just unstable.
Quote, he's not a stable person.
He says he wants to break Alec Baldwin's neck.
He wants Jay Lo to get raped.
His lawyer was like, no, no, he doesn't mean any of that.
He's a performance artist.
Okay, so those are your choices.
So I'd just like to point out once again, at this point, you can watch whatever you want.
It is a free country.
You can watch Alex Jones.
You can believe Alex Jones.
You can think Alex Jones is entitled to any of those beliefs.
That's fine.
It's a free country.
On a moral and intellectual level, it is not so fine because it turns out that people who consistently traffic in conspiracy, it turns out that people who consistently traffic in trash, people who spend your time, your few brief breaths on this planet, filling your mind with stupidity, playing a WWE character.
Listen, if you want to watch Alice Jones in the same way that you watch WWE, because you know that the WWE is people who are fake jumping on each other and you find it dramatic and interesting, you know, more power to you.
But if you're watching WWE and you think it's real, that makes you the stupid person.
Do you think that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress night and day to prevent the disclosure of that list?
And why is it that the Senate, you know, and good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out, but then Dick Durbin comes over to the top and says, no, we're not going to release the names.
I don't care about the list itself, but if released the names, right?
What the hell are the House Republicans doing?
They have the majority.
You can't get the list.
You're going to accept Dick Durbin's word or whoever that guy is as to who is on that list and who isn't and that it can and can't be released.
Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are.
We have an election coming up and we need to adjudicate this matter at the polls.
God knows the FBI and DOJ aren't going to do anything, but how are you going to reward the FBI with a new headquarters building after their illegal surveillance on Donald Trump continues with a reauthorization of FISA and we can't even get basic documents out?
This is why America hates Congress.
And this is why I'm tired of the Republican majority saying they're going to get the job done and failing.
Now, look, I could spend an entire show specifically just on Bongino and Patel saying virtually that exact same thing in 100 different ways for the last four years.
But you have to wonder what changed.
And the evidence didn't change.
The evidence didn't change at all.
Their reporting on it changed.
Their attitude on it changed.
And so we're just wondering why.
And I don't think it's unfair to ask.
Alex Jones rejoins me.
He just got his stack from the other studio here.
I got the story you were looking for there to your left as well.
Yeah, so I mean, they showed me the Ben Shapiro attacks and stuff before my show ended.
I just got distracted and didn't look into it.
But now that I saw those clips live when you heard it, I hadn't seen those yet.
And this is what this con man does.
You're sorry.
The facts show.
And now this connection, you dropped the gun.
You never had any facts.
You just speculated.
Yeah, I just broke the Jeffrey Epstein story like 18 years ago.
I just exposed the pedophile rings, you know, all of it.
So I sit here and I hear this type of crap.
Zavida Brzezinski wrote books in the 70s when he was the national security advisor, how Western intelligence controlled pedophile rings to control politicians.
He wrote a book and had a whole chapter on it.
Okay.
So stop acting like Israel doesn't do this.
Stop acting like MI6 doesn't do this.
Stop acting like the CIA doesn't do this.
Stop acting like this isn't going on.
And you have the U.S. attorney in his first prosecution in Florida saying, I was told go easy.
He's Intel.
So that, and listen, I can look at Shapiro and his billionaire funders out of North Texas, Zionist.
If I had to guess, and I'd bet my right arm, he is an actual Mossad agent.
And again, I hadn't seen these clips till we got in here.
I knew they were there.
And so I saw those live and I didn't know he said all this stuff.
I mean, what a trap he's laid for himself that there was never any evidence of Epstein doing anything wrong.
And you guys all just made all this up.
And now, boy, do you have egg on your face?
But we didn't finish the clip.
You guys were telling me, I guess they've seen it, the crew.
He goes on to say, okay, so Jones is saying either Trump and Bongino are lying or he's lying.
I'm not lying about anything.
I have the court record of Ghislaine Maxwell, who's pretty much Epstein's boss, whose father was buried at the Mount of Olives as a Mossad agent who ran the giant MI6 Mossad pedophile rings on record.
Okay.
So again, think about this.
It's either you're for Trump or you're for Alex Jones.
No, you remember everything they said and did.
You remember all of this.
And so this is the level of bull.
But I hadn't seen the full clip.
They were telling me he goes on to say what I just said.
But if you're watching WWE and you think it's real, that makes you the stupid person.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Seriously, it makes you dumber.
It just makes you in the end.
You're responsible for the information that enters your brain and your independent judgment of that information.
But if people are consistently being inauthentic, if people openly acknowledge that what they're saying to you publicly and what they say privately are two different things on the same matters, well, then maybe you ought to take what they say with a grain of salt rather than suggesting that, for example, Donald Trump is lying to you about Jeffrey Epstein or Dan Bongino, with whom I am friends, is lying to you about Jeffrey Epstein, or Cash Patel, the head of the FBI, is lying to you about Jeffrey Epstein.
Because those are your only two choices here.
Either Alex Jones, as his usual, blew a conspiracy theory out of proportion, and so did the rest of the internet, or Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Donald Trump are all lying to you.
So I've been demonized as a figure by the corporate media so they can then take me and go, oh, he says there's chemicals in the water turning frogscape, which is true, but oh, it's Alex Jones.
so here's what happened.
My ex-wife started divorcing me in 2013.
We had a custody battle after that, about a year and a half after that, and they had a jury trial and all the rest of it.
And they tried to bring in evidence of me 15 years ago dressed up like the Joker saying, kids, drink fluoride.
It brain damages you.
Because, you know, the Joker in those movies and in the comic books puts chemicals in the water and stuff.
And so, but there is no black book you just heard.
There is no client list.
There are no files.
Even though the AG and all of you said they have them, they raided the New York Fed office of the FBI because they wouldn't give it up.
They made the head of it resign.
All that happened.
We broke it with O'Boyle, the FBI whistleblower, before it even came out days before.
So all this is going on.
MTG saying, hey, we need to know about this.
Don't say there's not a little black book.
You know, we've got the fact that the CIA famously blackmails people with this.
There's Julian Assange.
Oh, don't trust him.
You've got the ABC News reporter famously saying, oh, we had all the files and knew who he was raping.
And you have McCain's wife even admitting it.
But none of this is going on.
There's no cover up.
There's nothing happening.
There's nothing going on here.
There's nothing.
No, no, no.
There's nothing to look at.
And the evidence goes on and on and on.
So I'm going to take what Shapiro has said tomorrow, and I'm going to show the video clips, all of it, and I'm going to lay it all out.
Remember the Republicans in the last year before Trump won?
Don't shred anything, said Senator Josh Howley.
Keep all your files.
But now we're not supposed to look into all that.
We've got the handler of Prince Andrew saying, yeah, he did abuse underage girls.
All of that.
But oh, don't shoot.
I'm retarded.
Prove it.
There is no Epstein client list.
So that's where we are.
That's what's going on.
And we will continue to do this.
So they're trying to make it a popularity contest between Trump or Alex Jones.
Who do you trust more?
Well, I trust my memory.
I'm not at war with Trump, but I will not be part of some giant lie that Trump somehow has decided to now make himself an accessory after the fact to all the things that went on here.
And now if I sit here like Ben Shapiro is doing, a good little loyal Lakudnik, and I play along with this and, oh, it's Bondi's fault and all this other crap.
No, Trump has certified all this.
So I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
We'll continue to analyze it as it unfolds.
But, you know, again, to have Ben Shapiro up there doing that, no documents, no articles, no proof, no video, no nothing.
Just you pick Trump or you pick Alex Jones.
There is no money.
Don't investigate where he got his money.
Don't investigate after he died.
Billions of dollars being sucked out of his bank account.
Do not look into any of it.
Just know it's Alex Jones.
It's WWE.
He admits he's fake.
He admits it's all an act.
All of it.
All of the exposing.
None of it was real, even though it all came true, even though it was all accurate.
So that's what they're hinging this on.
And it's just something else.
And now it's blown up all over the media.
And of course, I hate the Democrats.
Can't stand them.
They're going to misrepresent what I've said and done.
Try to make it something to hurt Trump.
Trump hurt Trump.
And you saw his body language and his activity in Pambondi and that backpedaling and all of it.
And Trump, we're done.
It's over.
No, it's not over because you guys did this.
And I said months and months ago, I said, listen, I love the agenda overall.
The decisions made because of national security and the CIA being involved and the world leaders will bring the whole country down.
I said, I don't agree with that.
I think you should go ahead and justice be done by the heavens fall.
But if you do that, I can understand the psychology.
But I said, please don't then tell everybody, shut up as if you've got the authority because you're the big maverick that suddenly everyone will go, yes, sir, Mr. Trump, we'll stop talking about it.
And you will now see that obviously that advice was terrible and whoever gave it to you was setting you up.
So they leaked the memo, Netanyahu lands, and Trump says, stop talking about it.
I don't think these are insignificant coincidences.
And let me go back to the Iran strikes for a second, Alex.
And I think that this is where this is where what Infowars does and what you have done is so important.
When we started, and they started attacking you and calling us names and all of this stuff, and it's the same people now saying, oh, no, you know, don't forget about the Epstein stuff.
Well, if anything, they've completed it and now they're just rubbing it in our face, quite frankly, is kind of what it feels like it's getting at, which makes me think that's why it's about to become retributionary.
The left put us in prison for speech.
Now the right's going to put us in prison for speech for calling this out.
But to back off of that for a second, everybody thought, oh, the Iran strikes, this will just be an isolated thing.
And then they said, oh, see, there's no world war and all this other stuff going on.
They missed it.
They missed the bigger picture.
They missed where all of this was going.
The spidey instincts that you have honed in so much with your experience.
I've gained so much experience working here as well.
We have great guests.
We have a very in-tune audience with reality.
We saw what was happening.
We saw it was more than just about a strike.
It was about something, the ship took a turn.
That's what it was about.
It was about, we just had, we just got blindsided.
A missile out of nowhere on the MAGA agenda just blindsided us.
And now the ship is veering off course.
And we were just saying, hey, we need to get this thing back on course.
So it's like you are, to me, you're like the 90-tour war veteran.
You've been in every tour.
You've seen every landscape.
You've seen every warfront.
You've seen all this stuff.
And it's just like, it's like going up to the oldest war vet who's literally seen every freaking battle in modern history and saying, you don't know what you're talking about.
Me, the social media guy, knows what I'm talking about.
Me, the guy that gets paid to support Trump, knows what I'm talking about.
Me, the guy that gets paid for social media.
And it's like, no, no, no, you're missing the picture.
Over five hours live from Alex, but I mean, how can you not want to just try to figure all this out?
Because it's just total insanity.
Now, I do want to open up the phone lines.
I got news I can cover here, but it's just everything pales in comparison.
And it's not just this whole audience has invested a lot into getting Trump into office twice.
This whole audience has invested a lot into trying to save the country.
I mean, let's just say what it is.
We're trying to save the country, save the world in our eyes.
You can say, oh, this is grandiose.
Oh, this is all like, you know, playing like you think you're a superhero in a movie.
Hello, I think we all see America has been declining badly.
Okay.
I think we all see that not everything is on the up and up here for the United States of America and its citizens.
We got problems.
So yeah, I think it's a totally noble and legitimate thing to say, hey, let's try to save the country here.
And this is why we supported Trump so fervently.
This is why we supported him three different election cycles.
This is why we fought against the steel.
See, then you draw back and you say, okay.
As the new, the CIA director Ratcliffe basically whitewashes the whole Russagate thing.
It's like, oh yeah, they illegally spied on Trump.
Oh yeah, they made the whole Russagate thing up.
Well, yeah, we've known that for 10 years.
So it's like, okay, whatever.
They're covering up the Epstein thing.
What's new?
No, no, no.
They stole an election.
No arrests.
They illegally spied on Donald Trump.
No arrests.
And it's just like, you just go down the list.
How about the Auto Pen scandal?
So am I to believe we're going to see any justice there?
How about the invasion of our country?
That was an invasion.
That was treason.
Are we going to see any action on that?
So it's just like all faith is eroding.
All hope is eroding.
The handling of this Epstein thing has been a complete and utter disaster.
It doesn't make any sense to anybody.
And yeah, I mean, let's just be honest.
And I understand too because you'll get all the different things.
Oh, you're an Israeli shill.
Oh, you're covering up Israel's involvement.
And it's like, it's all nonsense.
But it's like, the lectern guy.
I can't believe I've served more time in federal prison for moving a lectern than any of Epstein clients.
Yeah, well, I guess I could say the same thing.
I didn't move a lectern, but I understand, you know, because I'm learning here.
And I understand it's like, man, the Israel issue is just so toxic.
It's been toxic for decades.
And it's like, you can't even win trying to cover it.
It's like you're either, you just cover it And you're an anti-Semite, or you're an Israeli shield.
It's like just for covering it.
So it's just like, good God.
But I mean, it's reaching this point now where it's almost so in your face, so undeniable.
It just feels like Israel's just doing a victory lap and just rubbing it in our face.
It just feels like all the different Mossad agents, all the different Israeli loyalists, some of them literally straight out of the IDF and then just injected right into American politics.
Netanyahu's three White House visits, their strikes in Iran.
It's like they're doing their victory lap, shoving it in our face.
Yes, Israel runs your country.
Israel runs your government.
Israel runs your White House.
Here's all your reminders.
And then when you say it, they say, you're an anti-Semite.
You're a conspiracy theorist.
None of this is happening.
It's not going on.
And then meanwhile, it's all the pro-Israel celebrating everything that's going on.
It's strikes for Iran.
It's covering up the Epstein list.
More funding, more aid for Israel.
And then imagine the irony.
Here comes Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been lying to the United States for 30 years.
Here comes Benjamin Netanyahu, whose lies have influenced our foreign policy to get involved in the Middle East, where tens of thousands of Americans died, not to mention hundreds of thousands of Middle Easterners, all off of Benjamin Netanyahu's lies.
And now this guy comes back and says, no, believe me now.
And then yesterday comes out and says, I'm recommending Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Benjamin Netanyahu, whose country Israel is currently bombing, how many different countries?
Seven?
How many different countries is Israel bombing right now?
Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine?
I mean, how many?
This guy's country is bombing everybody.
So he's the least peaceful man on earth.
He's literally wanted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court and the UN.
Most countries are seeking his arrest.
He can't even travel.
And then he's going to come and recommend the Nobel Peace Prize?
The least peaceful man on the planet?
The man who's wanted for international war crimes?
The man whose country is bombing more countries than anybody else on earth combined?
And we continue to send them the money and we continue to send them the aid.
But don't even say it.
Don't even dare report on it.
Because then you're an anti-Semite.
And now they're passing laws where if you dare say it, you're an anti-Semite.
You might get deported.
You might get arrested.
You might get fined.
So it's just like, oh, boy, this is interesting.
All the influence that Israel has on our foreign policy.
Boy, this is interesting.
You know, Netanyahu continuing to control our foreign policy and so close with the White House.
And boy, this is interesting.
All of these Israeli loyalists that are now the only ones seeming to be happy about what's going on with MAGA.
Boy, it seems like this is really an Israeli-led administration now.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, anti-Semite.
So it's like they're literally waving Israeli flags.
There are literally Israeli flags all over Congress.
They literally put the Israeli flag on their lapel pin.
We literally put Israel first on foreign policy and get Israel policy first before we even get America first policy.
And they're just bragging about it.
Like it's in your face, just shoving it in your face.
And then they say, that's not going on.
You're just an anti-Semite.
As they're literally waving their flag in your face saying, ha ha, we control Trump now.
Thank you for coming from the guy that's bombing all the countries, coming from the guy that's killing almost 100,000 people in Palestine, coming from the guy that is wanted for war crimes by the international court, coming from the guy that can't even travel to more than half the countries in the world because he'd be arrested,
coming to the guy whose own country is sick of him and turning on him, coming from the guy that's about to draft Orthodox Jews into the military because they're losing so much support, coming from the guy who's causing a mass exodus of Israel because people don't feel safe there anymore.
Coming from the guy who has his citizens going in and out of bomb shelters.
Yeah, that must mean a lot coming from him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Must mean a lot.
It's just heartbreaking, man.
Oh, it's our greatest ally.
Yeah.
It's like coming home and you get home early from like a work trip or something.
And you go home.
You're going to surprise your wife and she's in bed with your best friend.
It's like, hey, honey, I got home early from the work trip.
This is great.
Let's go to dinner.
You walk into the bedroom and there she is in bed with your best friend.
They're both buck naked.
And then your wife and your friend stand up and they say, wow, we're so proud of you for being such a great husband and coming home early to say hello.
You're so loyal.
We're going to give you a loyalty reward.
Like, I just caught you in bed cheating on me.
What do you mean you're going to give me a loyalty reward?
You're the least loyal person I've ever met.
You're going to give me a loyalty award.
It's meaningless.
Now, look, I will say, because we do full spectrum analysis here, and I just all the different directions our thought goes, intentional or not, Israel has never been more exposed in U.S. politics than ever before.
So, so, I mean, you could sit here and say, this is so bad, and this is so obvious from the Trump administration, from Trump himself.
It's like intentional.
It's like, it's almost like, it's so bad, it's almost intentional.
It's like if it's like if a quarterback or something is throwing a football game, it's like if Tom Brady goes out and goes, you know, two for 30 throwing the football, you're like, yeah, he's throwing the game.
It's like Michael Jordan went 0 for 30 from the field.
It's like, yeah, he's throwing the game.
So it's almost like this is like so bad.
It's almost like Trump is intentionally exposing what Israel is doing.
But I guess that's the conspiracy theory.
We're going to open up the phone lines on the other side of this break.
All right.
I'm going to give out the phone number here.
I may get to these news stories.
I don't know.
This is just, this whole story is just so big.
It's like a black hole.
You just can't avoid it.
And what do you want me to talk about?
You want me to talk about how the IDF just went into Gaza and got hit with a bomb?
You want to pontificate more about why Caroline Levitt left her crucifix necklace off yesterday?
You want to talk about these disasters in Texas?
People are literally stranded up north.
The bridges are out.
They don't even know when they're going to repair them.
Boy, I bet if we could send some of that Ukraine aid up to North Austin, I bet we could probably save those people that are literally stranded right now.
Literally stranded.
No way in or out.
All the bridges are down.
But no, no, no.
We got to send that over to Ukraine, don't you see?
It's very important.
When we talk about that, when we talk about the fires in Maui, the FBI is celebrating today.
Guys, they made a drug bust.
Ooh.
You guys made a drug bust.
Awesome, man.
You got those drugs off the street.
Cool, dude.
Got Obama judges blocking Trump's big, beautiful.
I mean, you want me to cover this stuff?
Let's talk about the big two-ton stinking elephant in the room here.
877-789-2539.
877-789-2539.
We could talk about the DOJ just arrested 10 people that were planning an ambush of ITES agents.
They're going to charge them with attempted murder or Democrat terrorism, which they just refuse to nip at the butt, by the way.
They just continue to just let it fester and just arrest the low-level thugs that just are basically retards.
But, you know, the Democrats that actually run it and fund it and organize it and activate it, you know, don't go after them.
Oh, oh, yeah.
Oh, we don't have to wear our shoes during the TSA screenings now, guys.
We got the real ID.
We're going to scan your facial features and your eyeball, and we're going to make you have a new ID.
But hey, keep your shoes on.
Fuck you, man.
I'm sorry.
I'm just.
Just sucks, you know?
Elon Musk pointing this out.
More squirrels and raccoons have been arrested than anyone on Epstein's client list.
That's just true.
That's just true.
Musk continues.
How can people be expected to have faith in Trump if he won't release the Epstein files?
Honestly, the whole thing, I mean, you want to talk about a WWE match.
Tucker Carlson warns Epstein case could spark political revolution.
Yeah, well, maybe that's a good thing.
Maybe that's a good thing at this point.
Maybe that's what this country needs.
And again, I sit here and I'm like, this thing from Trump is so bad.
I'm almost like, this has to be intentional.
You know, Shapiro makes the jokes about the WWE.
It's like, oh, yeah.
Shane McMahon climbing on top of a steel cage as The Undertaker is sitting on a broadcast table, like writhing in pain, and McMahon jumps off and smashes into the table.
It's like, it's like, oh, yeah, like, that's so ridiculous.
That has to be staged.
It's like, that's what level we're at here.
It's like, this whole thing is so ridiculous.
You almost believe it is staged.
You almost believe it is like WWE.
It's so crazy.
It's like, oh, gee, that steel chair that the guy just whacked the guy over the head with.
I mean, that's kind of extreme.
This has to be fake, right?
They're not actually bashing each other with steel chairs, right?
Gee, he's not actually choking him out with that chain he pulled out from under the ring, right?
He's not actually trying to kill him, right?
This is fake.
Like, Trump really just didn't sell us out to the Israelis, right?
Trump really just didn't squash the whole Epstein thing, right?
Like, no, this has to be fake.
And then I don't know what I'm going to do because I'm not in the business of making lists, okay?
I'm not in the business of cataloging things like that.
But, you know, I got my own social media research.
And I've got it.
I've got a catalog of all the screenshots of the accounts on X, and they're attacking Me, of course.
And I've got screenshots of all the attacks and all the people on X that are saying, forget about the Epstein files.
Nobody cares about the Epstein files.
I've got all the screenshots.
Do I want to post them all?
Do I want to catalog all of this?
It's like, I'm not really in the business of that.
But, you know, we're kind of crossing a threshold now.
And the political media landscape, this is like a Richter, like a 10.0 on the Richter scale here.
And it's just like, okay, you got to find new ground and you got to stake it.
Oh, get over the child rapists.
Oh, get over the child sex slaves.
Oh, get over the fact that they've been covering it up for years.
Get over it.
Okay, if you want to get over it, that's fine.
You do you, man.
If you're not bothered by children getting raped in sex slavery, then, hey, that man, that's on you.
If you want to get over that, be my guest.
You can get over that.
That's cool.
That's cool, man.
But I still have this thing called a soul.
You know?
I haven't sold it.
I still have a human soul.
I'm still in touch with the divine creator and God.
And you know what?
That actually...
Yeah.
So if that doesn't bother you, then maybe you don't have a soul.
I don't know.
You can answer that.
But no, that hurts me right here, actually.
I can't just get over that.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I want to see pedophiles and child sex slave operatives go to jail, if not, you know, wood chipper time.
But if you're not into that, if you want pedophiles and sex slave operators to still run around the halls of our most powerful institutions in the world, then hey, man, you do you.
You're staking your political ground.
I'm staking mine.
So I don't know.
Maybe I will post them all.
Maybe I will just post them all.
Maybe people want to know who right now is covering up for child sex slave operations.
I wanted to talk about, just real briefly, I mean, I can tell that a lot of my friends and you and a lot of people are worked up.
But I think that's what they want.
And I think we've got to slow down and look at some basics.
So the fundamental principles of law, the state constitutions, the maxims, you know, the grand jury in a county holds a sitting president in front of it, right?
I just think if we look at like the Virginia Constitution, Section 15, and Section 2, the Bill of Rights, and start just slowing down and reading some basic fundamentals of law.
See, the reason why America exists is because the people understood what was good and just and right.
And they wrote it down in love letters called state constitutions.
And I think we should just slow down and read some of those and gather together as the people and talk about it because we're the only one that's going to fix this.
And it's not going to be done through the lens of a lawyer that was trained at Harvard.
And I am thinking with hope that this is 3D chess to the max.
So Elon is still working with Trump in this thing to make everybody cry out, this list must be released.
And then Trump says, well, it's out of my hands now.
I can't do anything.
The people are crying out for the list to be released.
And then you would find out it's Clinton, Obama, and all the different people that are on the list that have been pushing that would say, look, if you release this list, we're going to sue you for defamation.
They have brigades of attorneys.
Every single person on that list is powerful.
So they have brigades of attorneys.
There is no way Trump, no way that they could, with good sense, release that list without, you know, a firestorm of court hearings coming at them from every direction.
So I'm thinking and with hope, Owen, I want to keep supporting Trump, and I just keep hoping it's a just keep hoping it's a 3D chess move that's going to blow our minds in a few months.
I've obviously been a Trump loyalist since 2015, voted for the man three times, just like you.
I mean, we've been there this whole time, battling out with the fake election, standing in the arena at our local level.
And, I mean, what Matt Gates and a select few congressmen did about, you know, with McCarthy, it shows the power of a slim minority controlling the congressional outcome at the Power B. And I do think that an American party can effectively change some of the legislation.
And obviously, Elon is over the target, and that's why he's out of the Trump administration and doing all the stuff.
And all this, BB, it is ironic that BB's obviously in, or ironic that BB's in the White House at the same time that Epstein and the whole cover-up is now coming to head.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And the loyalists like me and other people that I know, we're not falling for it.
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As far as Trump goes, I'm very disappointed in the actions that he is taking with this potential cover-up.
We don't know exactly what his motives are, but right now it appears that he is covering up for some reason.
I don't know if he's in the so-called files or lists, whatever the case may be, but you can't make deals with the devil.
Yeah, and they want to act like it just doesn't exist.
And that's what's so insulting about it.
Like, what's so strange is, and I don't get that.
I mean, they could, and we have to be honest here, you know, Epstein was brought in in the first Trump administration and killed himself, supposedly, in the first Trump administration.
So, I mean, this is all in Trump.
This is all in Trump world.
But still, you can still come out and say, hey, look, four years under Biden, they destroyed everything.
We got nothing left.
It's like, yeah, they came in, they destroyed everything.
And maybe they don't want to go there because it's either not true or if you do go that direction, then what do you have to do next?
Well, now you got to go after them, right?
Now you got to charge them.
You got to have investigations.
And seemingly, there's no interest in doing that either.
So it's like, so it's like they won't even blame it, really.
They won't even come out and blame it on the Biden administration, which would be the obvious off-ramp here.
And is that because it would be inaccurate?
Or is that because they don't want to have to follow up and then charge the people that are deleting the evidence committing crimes like they did with the January 6th committee, like they did with the illegally spying on Donald Trump and everything else?
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You know, it's always bothered me that the whole Epstein thing was called a Massad CIA blackmail operation because I think it's a lot bigger than that.
I think it's also a central bank controlled initiation platform.
And Epstein Island, I don't think, is the only one.
What I mean by initiation is I think when you get to the high level, let's say the Club of Satan level, they bring you there and you agree to be blackmailed because that gives them power over you if you're doing billion, trillion dollar deals.
They've got that on you, and that's the only thing that makes them comfortable with you.
So I think this web of people involved is so vast that Trump's looking at it going: we can bankrupt the country with lawyers fighting central banks that control courts, own the courts, lawyers, judges, or we can just put it away because we don't have the cards to fight them.
So even though we'd like to, let's leave it up to God who's going to punish them a lot more than mankind ever could.
I think that, you know, we discussed this earlier with Alex.
He's, you know, kind of saying something similar.
And I have no doubt that those are the types of things that go on.
And by the way, there was a Swiss banker that went public with that some years ago.
I don't know what his fate was.
I forget the gentleman's name.
But he basically came out and said exactly what you're saying.
And yeah, Epstein Island might have even been light work compared to some of the other stuff.
That was probably more of just like, oh, you know, these are just kind of the pedophiles and the perverts that just go hang out on that island and do God knows what.
You know, similar to the kind of the freaks that go and do the spirit cookings with Marina Abramovich.
So that's probably not even the high-level stuff, if we're being honest.
But, you know, I think there's another initiation factor which they bring people in with, and that's, are you willing to torture and maim animals?
And you look at a Fauci and it's like, yeah, okay.
You get a Fauci who's willing to torture and maim animals, and it's like, yeah, this guy will do our deeds for us.
He's a wicked motherfucker.
So yeah, let's use Fauci to promote lockdowns and masks and killer vaccines and everything else, you know.
And the great Michael Savage once talked about this, and he was probably trying to be initiated.
And he's never said it like that.
But they brought him in, and he was supposed to be involved in some animal experimentation, denied it, refused to do it.
They cut him from these programs, and he decided to go study botany in the Fiji Islands instead.
And then the rest is history.
So yeah, there's no doubt there's a bunch of different initiations that they try to get you in on.
And then, yeah, if you want like the top level stuff, you know, they do movies like Eyes Wide Shut.
I think even this movie that just came out recently, like Blink Twice, it's like they're giving you the keyhole into, hey, this is how the real secret societies work.
It's like tabloid fodder, you know, the Epstein list, and it gets people's focus and attention.
But we're in a monumental shift as far as the BRICS countries and the currencies, you know, fighting because we have it now, an East versus West.
So I think all of this lines up.
And I do think it's clear that the central banks that control the West have Jerusalem as their capital.
And they're flexing their muscles right now.
They're saying to the Middle East, hey, we're in charge of this.
We've got all these countries backed up.
And let's face it, man, are our countries, how long have they not been sovereign?
If there's not been, you know, whether it's us, France, Germany, anybody in the West, we're controlled by our Western central banks who are saying, Jerusalem is not your capital.
It's an undeniable realization that is happening at light speed.
And then you can see the ops that are trying to counter it, too.
Well, I'll tell you what.
And this is kind of a little, how would I call this?
Maybe it's a little bit of a dark nature that we have around here, but I'm so, I can't help it.
It's just natural.
I just love fighting tyranny.
I love fighting liars.
I love beating up the corrupt establishment.
And I was kind of discussing this with the crew.
It's like, if I was a selfish dealer and I just thought about, well, what's in it for me?
Like so many people in media, political media specifically are, you know, I'd be sitting here like, well, this is the best thing that could ever happen because with MAGA and Trump, the media landscape became so saturated and so watered down and so kind of like coalesced around it together.
Well, now with the Iran strikes and Big Beautiful Bill and some of these other issues and now the Epstein thing, it's like now it's like the whole watered down thing is now getting evaporated.
And it's like here we stand again, as the crew said, on an island.
So it's like all the water's now been evaporated and here we are again on an island standing in the exact same spot.
But yeah, you know, it's like I didn't want to see it go this way.
I would much rather be on the watered down, saturated media with everybody else and just, you know, cheering on Trump and we're getting good deals and America's coming back and the golden age and everything else.
Like I would really rather have that.
I would rather have that.
I'd rather come on here, do political commentary and just feel good about everything and go home and have dinner or whatever, live my life and just feel good that America's back on track and it feels like we're winning and everything's going great.
I would much rather do that.
But there's also the side of me that's like, man, I love fighting corruption.
It's like, ah, it's like, I love calling out corrupt establishment propaganda.
So it's like the contrarian in me and the fighter in me is like, oh, wow.
It's like, open up the buffet.
Here we go.
But no, it's actually just heartbreaking.
It's actually just heartbreaking.
But this is where we're at.
And there's no denying it now.
You still have hope.
still try to right the ship.
But, I mean, when they start coming out, telling you...
Oh, you know, is it?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, we got to pass this big, beautiful bill.
We can't do deportations without it, but we can get plenty of foreign aid for other countries.
We don't need a vote for that.
Oh, really?
Tell me more.
Oh, yeah, just get over the Epstein thing.
Nothing to see here.
Just move on.
Who cares?
Really?
Who cares?
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
And I wonder how many people tuned in today were with us in 2015 and 2016, specifically during the Pizzagate phenomenon, which if you remember, there were all kinds of side ops and propaganda and false sense to throw you off the real story then, which ended up really just resulting in the Wiener laptop and then burying the Wikileaks emails.
But it's like, no, that happened.
No, they had the coded language in there that the CIA and the FBI says is pedophile language for internet trafficking of sex slaves.
It's like, no, that happened.
Boy, oh, boy.
I mean, you want to get into the craziness of that.
Like, no, they did have the spirit cookings in the emails.
No, they did talk about having the kids in the hot tub, the eight-year-old for your entertainment.
No, they, that, that, yeah, that happened.
Yeah, Maddie McCain and the sketches of her kidnappers.
Yeah, that's, hmm, yeah.
It's crazy to think.
Again, I feel like we're just right back in a loop, man.
Originally, I thought we were going back to the Bush years.
It turns out we're just going back to like 2015, 2016.
Yeah, the timing is really inexplicable, except that it's Netanyahu coming to town, maybe making the calls even.
I don't know.
Remember, he was the one addressing the country, not Trump, during the Iran strikes.
So that's just a wild deal.
But for me, it's like this.
As a politically pragmatic person, I can sit here and say, well, if Trump can get the economy humming again and really do great tax cuts and really unleash American energy, and it's like, okay, yeah, all right.
So it's like, if we get nothing else, if we get nothing else, if at least we get a good economy, it's like that gives you a little, that gives you a little freedom.
It gives you a little comfort and you can kind of, you can kind of do with that what you will to kind of navigate the crazy world and the potential fallout.
So it's like pragmatically, it's like, okay, if he's going to deliver on one thing and one thing only, all right, deliver on the economy, unleash the energy, and let's, you know, let's, let's go there.
Let's go, let's go rich.
Let's go prosperous.
And then that gives Americans some freedom to navigate the corrupt world and prepare for the worst.
But as an ideologue, it's like, no, the political ideology of MAGA was drain the swamp.
The political ideology of MAGA was arrest the deep state criminals.
Like, that's the ideology.
Sure, I want a great economy like everybody else.
But it's like that wasn't really the ideology here.
And so that's, you know, it's just, that's why I think people are just kind of turned off right now because it's just like this MAGA rebrand of, yeah, okay, we're going to bring in the big tech AI surveillance grid.
And yeah, we're going to continue to have disastrous foreign policy, but just suck it up and, you know, maybe you'll get a good economy.
It's like the team is down like 15 runs in the ninth inning and Pam Bondi comes up with the bases empty and hits a home run and like showboats around the bases and like struts around the bases and like is taunting and you know showing off and waving at the other team and everything.
I think the thing about this Trump situation is how he and his team told us this.
You know, if he would have just had like a fireside chat with everybody together and said, America, we've done the due diligence.
We've investigated what we can.
There may have been evidence, but it's not there anymore.
And we're just going to not waste resources anymore on something that we can't prove.
You know, I'm sorry, whatever he might say.
Anyway, just to come at us with that angle of telling us the facts, but this cocky, arrogant, the way you came with that reported today, I mean, I'm officially done.
I can't deal with it anymore.
The way, you know, to talk about, oh, well, we got the floods in Texas and you want to talk about this.
Hell yes, we want to talk about this.
We've been talking about this for a decade.
And now you're going to try and wash it away and just hide it underneath a press conference?
That's where I've probably just finally lost mine with Trump.
You know, I wasn't down for the Iran bombing.
I haven't really loved all of this sucking up the Netanyahu.
I've just not enjoyed any of the, you know, in the six months I will give him credit for the shutting off the border.
Yes, you've done a great job of that.
Congratulations.
You know, it seems like you're out smarter than everybody on tariffs.
But other than that, it feels like every one of these policies that he really tried to get the base ginned up with in his election, he's really failed on.
And to now it's just, it's like a thumb in the nose, just a thumb in the eye, whatever, just to come at us like this with then that truth that he sent out saying, well, now that, you know, Dan and Cash can go on to real work.
Well, then I guess the last caveat would be like, and now you still find Alex reporting on it.
But like, shut up, Alex.
Nothing to see here.
And it's weird because you would think that maybe Trump would know something about the little black book because he was partying with, you know, he owned Mr. Universe, you know, and then flew on his plane.
I mean, it doesn't mean he did any of the things.
Anyway, I don't have it right there.
So real quick, I'd like to remind people that if this is, say, a foreign country, let's just use Massad.
Keep in mind, everyone, America.
These were our children being used as a vehicle to get blackmail on other people.
American children.
So I'd like people to keep that in mind.
And just one last thing.
Receiving a nomination for the Peace Prize that you brought up earlier, even I got fooled.
I was like, well, yeah, I guess the best person to receive a Nobel Peace Prize nomination would be Bibby.
But then it's like, I didn't even realize you pointed out.
You know, I was thinking about this last night when I did a Rumble stream.
Because it's just an unavoidable topic now, the Israel thing.
It's like, I get why people are sick of it because it's been this way for forever.
And it's just like there's no winning, but it's entered an entire new realm of political commentary now.
And I was thinking about this last night because everybody's probably seen, and I know Musk has shared it before, but everybody's probably seen that, call it whatever you want, a meme, whatever presentation, where it's a guy standing in the middle and you have the right and the left politically, right?
And it's the guy standing in the middle and the left just keeps going farther and farther to the left.
And so the guy that was standing in the middle is now on the right.
Well, the guy in the middle really didn't move.
The left just moved.
And so the guy in the middle has still been consistent.
And I feel like, and maybe I don't think it's just me, but I'll speak for myself.
I feel like it's the same thing on the Israel issue for me.
Because, you know, people used to complain, oh, you never talk about Israel.
It was never an issue for me.
So really, I used to be probably in the middle, like neutral, maybe even positive.
I was probably neutral, positive on Israel, honestly, for most of my political media career, neutral, positive on Israel.
But now it's like Israel has gone so far over here with all the propaganda and all the influence and then shoving it in our face and bombing all these countries and refusing to lay off Palestine and breaking all the ceasefires and then the Israeli flags all over Congress and the Israeli flags all on social media.
And it's like, I never really even moved, but it's like the Israeli extremists like went all the way over here.
So now I'm like anti-Israel.
But it's like, I really didn't even move.
So I was thinking about that last night because it's like, it's just, you can't even, no matter what you do, somebody's going to accuse you of either being an Israeli shill or an anti-Semite.
Well, Gavin Newsom was seen in South Carolina politicking.
He's running, folks.
He's running.
The only question is, who else is going to run against him or who will be his running mate?
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We're going to continue with the calls here.
We have another correctional officer on the line, so we'll go two in a row here.
Yeah, so I worked for the BOP for 16 years in Los Angeles.
It's a detention center, just like in New York.
I worked there from 98 to 2014.
I saw a lot of, you know, tough times there, as you know, how the guards are, the staff.
There's a lot of crazy inmates there.
But my point is that Epstein 100% did kill himself because it takes, well, when you were in the BOP, did you notice where everywhere you had to go, you had to be popped through a door via a camera and a control center?
Well, just move throughout, move throughout the institution, like if you had an appointment at the doctor where you wouldn't be cuffed, but you'd have to go from here to there.
Because I worked in the shoe for a long time, probably like 10 years out of my 16 years.
But the point is, at a detention center, when it's like 10 stories up, like an office building, just like where Epstein was, everywhere you go from outside, from the first floor, second floor, whichever floor in the building, you have to stop in front of a door, and it's locked.
And you hit a button there, and there's a camera, and it shows who is at that door inside the control room.
So in order for, I mean, every movement is controlled in a detention center where Epstein was.
And the point being, you would have to have at least 10 officers in on a plan to kill him.
You know what I'm saying?
Without, I mean, people will notice.
You can't go anywhere in the building without being noticed and without going through a door that is locked.
Yeah, I honestly, I haven't looked at the current photos or film, whatever they have, but it's just, I don't know, because I've actually cut down a guy who hung himself in the cell, and I've still, it's bothered me to this day that I didn't get there fast enough.
But all he had was his orange jumpsuit, and he fastened it around his neck and somehow tied it on the back of the door.
And when we got to him, he was already dead.
And I just went by his cell 20 minutes ago, and he was fine.
Well, so even if you're willing to sacrifice the point and say Epstein did kill himself, I don't know how much that takes away from the cover-up that everybody believes is now ongoing.
Hey, I was just calling in regards to Epstein and Les Wexner in New Albany, Ohio, and this big Intel, Microsoft, Meta super facility that they're building for AI.
And they're going to put like their own gas electrical powered power station outside of it.
And they let me let me explain what's happening with this.
These AI data centers, they have to have their own independent power source.
And really, it's probably going to need nuclear power.
There is a facility, I believe, that runs off of a dam.
I think an Oregon.
It might be a Google facility that's powered by hydroelectric.
But no, the data processing that AI is going to require, especially once it goes quantum, they're going to have to have their own power.
Now, they're claiming, and this came out in the meeting today, they said that the Trump administration has green lit all of this so that they can have their own independent power station, and whatever power is left over will be fed into the public electric grid or however you want to call it.
We'll see how all that goes, but they can't have these data processing centers, and especially when it goes quantum, they have to have their own power source.
If they don't, it'll basically shut down the power grid.
So they have to have their own independent power source just to be able to power the data processing that all these AI plants are going to require.
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It makes you piss like a smurf, but man, it'll wake you up.
What I wanted to say about the Epstein deal is that the only other time that I saw Trump jump on the offensive like that was about the uranium enrichment facilities, right?
And he's like, no, no, no, We obliterated them.
We obliterated them.
And now here we have the Epstein thing, and he jumps on the defense of that.
And he's like, no, there's nothing there.
There's nothing there.
You know, move on.
So it makes you wonder: Epstein was tied in with Mossad, Mossad, Israel, and he's trying to work a peace deal with Israel.
It makes you wonder if that's part of the peace deal, is that they have to now say that there's nothing there.
Well, you know, it's curious, I will admit, what you're suggesting here.
It's a lot easier for me to make sense of running cover on the Iran strikes because I can understand how that would be directly correlated to achieving peace.
So I get that.
I guess I would say, how do you correlate closing the Epstein files with peace?
I think that Netanyahu is like, hey, look, you're going to screw up our whole intelligence and coercion operation.
If you release that list, we're going to be ineffective.
Nassad's going to be ineffective.
And so you can't do that.
And so, you know, just like he said, no, they're obliterated and that's what we're saying.
Now he's saying there's nothing in that scheme list.
And it makes you wonder if the propaganda, the only time I've seen this come out, it made me feel like he was saying it for Israel, for Netanyahu, you know, to get them shut up, I guess.
I guess if I guess if you had other Middle East nations or Gulf state nations, I guess maybe that were on an Epstein list or something like that was going on, and they were trying to use that to force a peace deal on Israel's grounds, then maybe I could see that being a potential.
If it's like, hey, we're going to use this to achieve peace here, but if people keep demanding answers, it's going to expose everybody and we can't get peace.
First point I'll try to make is it was very, very disgusting and sickening to watch Caroline live for the Trump administration for the first time yesterday.
And I was just like, I was a gut punch.
And then we got today when Trump was in that meeting, this guy, this reporter asked a question that the whole country's asking.
And it's not something like, oh, let's move on or whatever.
Like, you know, first you got Pan Bondi gaslighting everybody, saying it's the most atrocious thing that he ever did.
And then you got Trump virtue signaling this guy in front of the whole world saying that we got bigger problems now in Texas and stuff.
And let's move on from that.
You know, what's his name?
Ron Emmanuel?
Didn't he once say, never let a good crisis situation go to waste?
And I think that's what we're seeing here.
And the other point I want to make is you've been over the target on this whole thing from the very first month that he was president.
Remember that State of the Union he came out with and you and Alex were watching it on the show?
And I was watching that with everybody as well.
And I can see there was some tension between you and Alex because Alex was still, you know, he was still like going along.
He was like, he was like still struck, starstruck over the election that he won and everything.
But you, you're like me and a lot of people.
We want to see results quick because you already told us about all the investigations.
You already said we had all the evidence.
You already told everybody what you're going to do if you become president and you're going to fix everything and you now know who the players are.
And then you sat there the whole time.
You stood your ground with Alex, but you saw right from that point, from that speech, you saw that it's starting to happen.
We have not gotten any clarification on this leaked memo.
Think about that.
You know, that's kind of like the unspoken curiosity here.
It's like, what is with the memo?
You know, this is an administration that talks about targeting leakers more than any administration.
I mean, leakers, targeting leakers, getting rid of leakers.
I mean, they do it all day.
And yet, this is like the worst leak you've had yet.
And they're just acting like it didn't even happen.
They're not even talking about it as a leak.
So was it not a leak?
So then who sent it?
Why did they edit the original memo, which they did?
It was on with the DOJ seal.
So it's like, it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask for multiple reasons.
But yeah, you think about the leaked memo.
It's like, well, where did that even came from?
Why is nobody talking about that as a leak?
Why are they not concerned about DOJ memos being leaked to Axios?
Or did the Department of Justice voluntarily hand it over to Axios?
But if the Department of Justice is going to voluntarily hand it over to Axios, then why wouldn't they have an actual official Department of Justice letterhead with a date and a signature instead of just a memo that it looks got passed around that they would maybe chew on a little bit and decide how they're going to go public with it?
So it's just like it was perfectly legitimate.
We haven't even gotten any answers on as far as the leaked memo is concerned, but now they've tripled down and confirmed, yep, that's the official stance of the administration.
So it was a perfectly legitimate question to ask.
Now, Don, thank you for the call.
Let me just address a couple things here as we close out.
I am independent.
Okay.
The most influence I'll get from Alex is maybe we'll talk on the morning about a story or I'll call him at night about something or he'll come in here before I'm on air and just say, hey, did you see this story?
He doesn't tell me what to say.
And I have the utmost respect for Alex and I'm always going to be loyal to Alex.
But that doesn't mean we can't disagree.
You know, I'm not going to make a scene of it.
I vaguely remember what you're talking about with the State of the Union, but I'm independent.
And Alex doesn't try to control me or control what I say or how I report.
Like I said, he might give me a news story or ask if I've seen something or we might go back and forth about how we feel about something.
So there's nothing but respect and independence here.
And yeah, I am going to be loyal to Alex Jones.
But when you talk about that night, maybe I had, I'd have to go back and review it.
Maybe I had some weird instincts about it.
But let me explain something else.
And we were debating whether to talk about this or not, but he had to go.
You know, this is totally the opposite of self-serving, what we're doing here.
So I'll go ahead and I'll say it.
What they're trying to do to Alex Jones or what they've even done to Alex with these rigged court cases and trying to destroy his reputation and destroy his life, you could certainly understand why Alex would look at the Trump administration as a final lifeline.
And the Trump Justice Department and some of the other friendlies and allies, however you want to call it, that are in there working things that know exactly what happened to Alex and know it was an operation against Alex.
So you could certainly understand that for Alex, whose literal livelihood hangs in the balance and the Trump administration could be his final lifeline and he could easily go on air today and come on this show today and try to maintain that lifeline and just either just decide to not cover it or not do anything negative or be positive, whatever.
I'm getting a little ahead of this, but I don't even care anymore.
You know, I'm about to be in litigation with the Department of Justice because of the January 6th targeting of me and persecution of me.
So it would be way more self-serving for me to be totally positive about Trump and the administration and Pam Bondi and the Department of Justice because I'm about to be involved in litigation to try to right the wrongs that happened to me about January 6th.
So we are literally up here against our own interests coming out against what happened in the last 48 hours.
So take what you want with that information.
Our loyalty is to the truth.
Our loyalty is to the country, even when it might cost us.
So take what you want from that information.
That does it for the InfoWars War Room today.
We'll take a 21-hour break and do it all again tomorrow.
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