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June 13, 2025 - War Room - Owen Shroyer
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Friday War Room LIVE: Israel And Iran Exchange Strikes; Will This Be It, Or Will This War Escalate And Drag America Into Another Foreign Conflict? - FULL SHOW - 06/13/2025
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owen shroyer
All right, we have very little time and much to discuss.
And I got to do a little background check with my crew here.
Guys, do we have the Rand Paul video?
Or the Ron Paul video from 2000, I think it's 2009, talking about the Israeli-Gaza conflict?
We're a little short-staffed today.
I don't even have a video list.
Okay.
It's crazy here.
You're watching these strikes in the Middle East on Friday the 13th with a full moon above it.
It's wild, isn't it?
So we're going to have all the different angles of this.
As today, we saw Israel get hit.
They are saying five to seven missiles hit Israel today.
It looked like it was all in Tel Aviv.
And every time I watch this, every time we go through this, because it's not the first time, probably won't be the last time.
Now, normally, it's a tit-for-tat, and then things calm down, and they kind of go back to politics as usual, each country demonizing the other, maintaining control over their people, keeping their people in fear, keeping political power.
And then now, the U.S. people, the American people, are saying, hey, we don't want to be involved anymore, but then, of course, Israel's are trying to drag us in.
So it's just like the same thing.
And of course, they live stream the whole deal.
They make sure that you get to see the whole thing.
It all just feels like propaganda.
Now, I'm not saying it's not real.
People aren't dying.
But I'm thinking about it.
unidentified
I'm thinking, remember, okay.
owen shroyer
Support for the big, beautiful bill was dwindling.
And when you think about the ramifications of this bill, getting rid of the debt ceiling.
And bringing in the massive surveillance state, bigger, more dangerous than ever, to human freedom and privacy, well, what are you going to do to win over support?
You're going to have riots.
You're going to have this issue with mass deportations and riots and violence against ICE in support of illegal immigrants so that you're begging for this bill to get passed now.
And then what else are you going to do?
You're going to have a war breakout.
And you're going to make sure that everybody sees it.
And everybody sees the bombs.
And everybody sees the missiles.
And everybody's living in fear so that you can bring in the surveillance state, unlimited debt, and get the Golden Dome.
It all just feels like propaganda.
It all just feels like because everybody steals our money.
You know?
Everybody steals our money.
Everybody just looks at the United States of America.
As a bunch of tax-paying idiots whose pockets they can reach into, whose wallets they can reach into and take as much money as they want.
So it feels just like the same exercise.
Can't get this beautiful bill passed.
We need to win over public support.
Okay, let's get riots and protests in the streets.
Let's get a war to break out.
Let's show them the bombs.
Let's show them the missiles.
Then they'll support it.
Then they'll beg for it.
And I've seen this so many times now.
And it's just, it's like, again, it's the theme of the week.
It's Groundhog Day, man.
I'm living the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
And I'm just done, man.
I'm sick of it.
The American people are sick of it.
All the polls show that we're sick of it.
And even though you could say MAGA, whatever's left of it.
It's split on Israel, but there's still probably at least half of MAGA that supports Israel.
But they don't want involved with this war.
And all the polls show it.
Every single poll I've seen on X, which I think is a huge representation of MAGA, a great place to tap into the MAGA base and mindset, and every single poll, I think Charlie Kirch was probably the biggest, as half a million votes, 90% of the people say, we don't want involved in this war.
And half of those people support Israel.
But when we come back from this break, I'm going to read some wise words, or we're going to reflect, perhaps, on some wise words of advice from our founding fathers and what they said about foreign entanglements, because man, is it relevant today?
All right, we've got so much to cover.
We're going to try our best to cover it all.
First, let's look at some statements from President Trump.
I'm going to go back to some wise words of advice from our founding fathers on foreign entanglements that are very important to remember today.
President Trump said this.
You could say late in the evening, early in the morning.
I gave Iran a chance after chance to make a deal.
I told them in the strongest of words to just do it.
But no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn't get it done.
I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the world by far and that Israel has a lot of it with much more to come and they know how to use it.
Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely, but they didn't know what was about to happen.
They are all dead now and it will only get worse.
There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter.
With the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end.
Iran must make a deal before there is nothing left and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire.
No more death, no more destruction.
Just do it before it's too late.
God bless you all.
Now let's respond to this.
And then there's a lot of back and forth about who's in charge here.
Is it Netanyahu or is it Trump?
And I'd say you could interpret it either way, quite frankly.
Now, you could say Netanyahu is undermining Trump because Trump wanted to have the negotiations this weekend.
Multiple times where Netanyahu and his Israeli lobbyists have been begging Donald Trump to get involved or to strike Iran, the Trump administration multiple times has said no.
Now, Trump has been very clear, if Israel wants to do it, then that's fine.
But we're not getting involved.
We're not getting our military involved.
We're not getting our personnel involved.
Well, so is that Netanyahu undermining Trump?
Is that Netanyahu just deciding we're going to do it anyway?
Is Trump lying to us because he knows that this war is unpopular?
Because he knows that half of his base is sick of supporting Israel for decade after decade after decade?
And we're sick of all the foreign entanglements?
So is he lying to us because he knows that's the truth?
So he has to say, hey, you know, Bibi, I gotta stay hands off of this.
My voters hate this crap.
So I can't say I'm involved in this stuff, even though this post from him early this morning indicates that he kind of is.
But it could also be since Netanyahu undermined him that now he has to take this road.
Now, would Israel be doing any of this?
If they didn't think in the end of the day the United States would back them, I doubt it.
I doubt it.
So then what does our hard line become?
Is our hard line already passed or do we say no U.S. troops?
No U.S. personnel?
And yes, Israel does buy our weapons.
Obviously U.S. money is already there.
We give hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel, so we're already financially backing the war.
That's undeniable.
And people don't like it.
And you know, it's funny, as all of this was going on, all the politicians talking about war, some of the politicians celebrating it, the White House administration, everybody involved in politics is all talking about war, and Elon Musk is out here talking about innovating technology, innovating travel, innovating space.
And I'm sitting here and I'm looking at this like he's not even involved.
He doesn't even care.
And I'm like, you know, this is why the political world chewed up and spit out Elon Musk.
Because he's here interested in actually moving humanity forward.
He's here actually trying to build a future.
Innovating tech, travel, space, everything.
Energy.
They're not interested in that in D.C. No.
They're not interested in delivering for the people something that benefits the world and makes your life better.
No, everybody in D.C. is interested in war.
So of course D.C. chewed up Elon Musk and spit him out.
He doesn't do war.
He does innovation.
He does expansion of human civilization.
They don't want that.
They want to blow up human civilization and government.
Couldn't be more obvious.
So they chewed him up and spit him out.
But every poll you look at...
I put out a poll that maybe got a quarter, like 25,000 votes, I think.
But Charlie Kirk had the biggest one.
Half a million votes.
Should the U.S. get involved in Israel's war against Iran?
90% say no.
People don't want this war, folks, and the Trump administration knows it.
So the Trump administration is either lying to us that we're not involved in this war because they know how unpopular it is, Despite Trump's efforts to stop Israel from striking Iran, Israel undermined Trump and did it anyway.
Now, before we move on with some of these other clips and some of this other news, I knew that the founding fathers warned us.
Specifically, George Washington in his works, his writings, his farewell address, same with Thomas Jefferson, about foreign entanglements.
So, these are in the words of Grok.
I just asked Grok today, I said, what did George Washington warn us about foreign entanglements?
In his 1796 farewell address, George Washington warned against long-term foreign entanglements, emphasizing the risks of permanent alliances and excessive involvement in foreign affairs.
He advised the United States to maintain neutrality and avoid binding commitments that could draw the nation into conflicts unrelated to its interests.
I could read that a hundred times.
I'll read that until it hits home.
Boy, was George Washington right.
we should probably be listening to George Washington.
And if there isn't a better example...
Washington cautioned against permanent alliances with foreign nations, arguing they could compromise U.S. sovereignty and lead to obligations that might not serve our national interests.
Sound familiar?
He warned to steer clear of foreign rivalries and wars, advocating for a policy of neutrality to protect the young nation from being manipulated or dragged into conflicts by more powerful nations.
He said to focus on national interests, emphasizing that foreign policy should prioritize America's own interests, He spoke of the dangers of foreign influence,
highlighting the risk of foreign nations exerting influence over U.S. politics, which could undermine the republic's independence and unity.
Any of that sound familiar?
Any of that sound prescient today?
Boy.
Sounds like George Washington's warnings were about as spot on as it gets.
Spot on.
What about Thomas Jefferson?
Thomas Jefferson expressed concerns about foreign entanglements aligning with George Washington's warnings.
Avoidance of entangling alliances.
Echoing Washington's caution against permanent alliances, viewing them as potential traps that could subordinate U.S. interest to those of other nations.
He believed such alliances could undermine the nation's ability to act independently.
We should focus on commerce and neutrality.
Jefferson prioritized free trade and peaceful relations with all nations while maintaining neutrality in foreign disputes.
He saw commerce as a way to strengthen the U.S. without the need for political or military entanglements.
Skeptical of foreign influence like Washington, Jefferson was wary of foreign powers influencing American policy or politics.
He wanted the United States to chart its own course free of foreign rivalries.
He believed in pragmatic flexibility.
While skeptical of entanglements, Jefferson was not an isolationist.
His administration pursued diplomatic and commercial engagements.
So, and he sought to avoid commitments that could limit U.S. sovereignty.
Jefferson's warnings were rooted in his vision for the United States as a republic focused on domestic prosperity and liberty, unburdened by the intrigues of foreign powers.
And so here we are today.
Obviously, these words were not followed.
These words of advice have not been followed by any Congress in our lifetime, any presidential administration in our lifetime, because here we are, tied to another foreign conflict, tied to another foreign country that is totally subverting our national interests.
And what do you have now?
Are we talking about the ramifications or issues in the Big Beautiful Bill?
No.
Are we talking about upcoming riots this weekend and stopping the organizers of this domestic terrorism?
No.
Are we talking about cutting taxes, abolishing the IRS, the FBI, these weaponized bureaucracies against the American people?
No.
Are we talking about how we're going to get mass deportations?
No.
Are we talking about what we're going to do to take care of our deficit and national debt?
No.
Are we talking about how we're going to fix our education system?
No.
Are we talking about how we're going to fix our decaying infrastructure?
No.
Nope.
What are we talking about?
Israel and Iran.
Foreign countries.
Foreign interests, foreign entanglements that the founding fathers warned us about.
And they were right.
250 years later, they were right.
And we should have listened.
And I pray.
Because I'm getting into it with all these different people now on X. You know, I don't want to make a big thing of it, but people warn me.
As if I don't, you know, as if I don't know what I'm doing here.
It's like, dude, you know I work at Infowars, right?
I mean, I'm not sure you get a better experience in fighting corruption and dealing with corrupt governments and institutions than fighting at Infowars.
That's about as good of experience as you can get in that front, okay?
So they warn me, they're like, oh, you know, there'll be ramifications for you being anti-Israel.
And you've got all these Israeli people coming after you now.
It's probably Mossad agents.
And I'm sitting here and I'm like, okay, well, I got in this fight to save my country.
I got in this fight to save America.
unidentified
Not to be comfortable.
owen shroyer
Yeah, I've dealt with the far-left radicals.
Yeah, I've dealt with the Democrat Party corruption.
So are you telling me that as an American citizen, I'm supposed to be afraid of Israel?
Are you telling me as an American patriot fighting for my country, I need to be in fear that I'm going to be put on some Mossad anti-Semite list that they're going to try to destroy my life?
If that's what I have to go through next to save America, then fine.
But I'm not even anti-Israel.
The people in Israel are suffering.
How do you think it feels to be in Israel today?
They got air raid sirens going off.
They're hiding in bunkers.
They're getting bombed.
I don't know about most, a large portion of the Israeli people don't like Netanyahu.
A large portion of Israelis want nothing to do with these wars.
They want Netanyahu out.
They think he's bad.
So it's not even anti-Israel.
But that's the propaganda.
Oh, you're an anti-Semite.
Oh, you're anti-Israel.
No, I'm anti-war.
I'm anti-United States of America getting dragged into some foreign war.
I'm anti-the United States of America Congress getting owned by a foreign country.
So call me whatever you want.
That's what I am.
And I'm not afraid to be so.
Remember how we had 30 years of Netanyahu telling you that Iran would have a nuclear weapon?
Somebody actually found a newspaper from 1984 in Israel.
1984 Israeli paper headline, Iran is in the final stages of making a nuclear bomb.
So it's actually been 40 years.
So it's actually been 40 years that they've been telling you Iran would have a nuclear bomb.
Now, isn't it convenient right when Netanyahu is going to have to show evidence, right when Netanyahu is going to have to prove...
All these warnings for 40 years out of Israel about Iran having a nuclear bomb.
And right when it's time to prove it, right when it's time to provide the evidence, Israel says, we just destroyed all their nuclear bomb building sites.
There's nothing left.
How convenient!
So for 40 years you've been telling us with no proof Iran is making a nuclear weapon, and now you blew it up and you won't have to show us the proof.
How convenient!
How perfectly convenient.
Now, Israel is saying there's no nuclear fallout.
Well, then you lied.
You lied.
They weren't days away from having a nuclear weapon.
They weren't enriching uranium at 50 or 60%, like you were saying.
So if you blew up these facilities, now it wouldn't be like a Chernobyl or like a nuclear weapon went off if they didn't have a nuclear weapon, which they obviously didn't, so Israel lied.
But if they were enriching uranium to the capacity that you were claiming, then there would be nuclear fallout, actually.
There would be limited nuclear fallout.
And they're claiming there's none.
So you're admitting you lied.
But how much of it is theater?
How much of it is just theater, ladies and gentlemen?
To keep the military-industrial complex funded?
To keep the people of the world in fear?
So they have to continue to lay down for the government to protect them.
And just more ammunition when the debate about the Big Beautiful Bill comes back around.
No debt limit.
Huge military spending.
Giant surveillance state.
And a golden dome.
What better series of events than the riots and now the wars?
What better series of events could you have?
To drum up support for this bill that was losing support.
So how much of it is just theater?
Oh, you don't think governments and politicians would sacrifice lives for power?
Did you even live through COVID-19?
Did you even live through the deadly vaccines?
Please, don't be so naive.
Here's what Ron Paul had to say on the situation.
In 2009, 15 years ago, same garbage.
Let's not forget, we've been dealing with the same garbage.
Against the warnings of our founding fathers.
unidentified
Clip 2. You know, Hamas, if you look at the history, you'll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat.
He said, well, yeah, that was better then and served his purpose, but we didn't want Hamas to do this.
So then we as Americans say, well...
We're going to impose this on the world.
We're going to invade Iraq and teach people how to be Democrats.
We want free elections.
So we encourage the Palestinians to have a free election.
They do, and they elect Hamas.
So we first, indirectly and directly through Israel, help establish Hamas.
Then we have election.
Then Hamas becomes dominant, so we have to kill him.
You know, it just doesn't make sense.
owen shroyer
Now, if you pause it right there, guys, put that back up.
Just so you get full understanding of the Groundhog Day hamster wheel you're on.
This was the Gaza Strip Conflict Resolution debate recognizing Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
2009.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Are you starting to get it yet?
Are you starting to feel like a fool yet?
Are you starting to get sick of being coupled?
To this war-torn region filled with hate?
Yet?
You're gonna get there.
Everyone's gonna get there eventually.
It's inevitable at this point, especially if they drag us into this war.
Now, who knows?
This thing could...
We've seen this before.
They exchange strikes, things calm down, and then they reintroduce some bill to take more of your money and spend more money on weapons and do more weapons deals and keep the people in fear.
So I've been through this song and dance before.
This could be it.
Iran's threatened more strikes.
It's all the same thing.
I'm on a hamster wheel here.
But maybe we should listen to Trump.
This was Donald Trump in his inaugural address this year.
donald j trump
Trump's inaugural address, clip 18. We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into.
unidentified
Thank you.
owen shroyer
You know, when you go back and you listen to Trump's inauguration speeches, they're some of the greatest of all time, but then you have to analyze them and weigh them against how things actually went.
I'd love to see President Trump's inaugural addresses come to fruition.
And the dream and the vision he promised and spoke about in those inaugural addresses come to fruition.
But we're not there.
We're not.
And then you've got these sick members of Congress like Lindsey Graham, Randy Fine.
And by the way, it's all of them.
Every single one that is paid by AIPAC all put out their support for Israel in the last 12 hours.
And that's fine.
Okay.
We all expect that.
Our Congress is bought and paid for.
But this is just sick stuff.
This isn't just, oh, pray for Israel.
Pray for Israel.
But, you know, don't pay for the Palestinians because, no, that's Israel acting in self-defense.
But then after Israel attacks somebody, you know, Iran isn't acting in self-defense.
So, as I always say, it's not logic if it can't be applied universally.
Randy Fine in Florida, the bombings will continue until morale improves.
Who's morale?
MAGA's morale is getting destroyed.
MAGA morale is way down when we get involved in foreign conflicts.
So he's obviously not talking about our morale.
Is he talking about the Israelis' morale, who are hiding in bunkers right now, listening to bombs go off in their bomb shelters with air raid sirens?
Is he talking about the Iranians right now that just got hit?
Who they've got whacked out, psychotic leadership too?
They have no idea what could happen to them?
Who's morale, Randy?
Let's just blow the planet up.
Hey, you can't have morale.
You can't have bad morale if you're dead.
Am I right, Randy Fine?
Lindsey Graham, game on.
Pray for Israel.
Game?
This is a game to you, Lindsey?
Why don't you go suit up and play in the game?
These are sick freaks.
Randy Fine, $400,000 from APAC.
Lindsey Graham, $1 million from APAC.
Now, we got more on this, but maybe as we go to break, this is AI.
This is AI, but I wish this was real.
I wish this is what President Trump would say.
President Trump, how do you feel about the war between Israel and Iraq?
donald j trump
Clip 17. I think we should skip it.
I don't know.
I'm just not really feeling it.
World War III, folks.
Hard pass.
We've got enough going on stateside.
We've got the No Kings riots set to kick off this weekend.
No Kings.
We like kings, actually, folks.
We like one king in particular, quite frankly.
The King of Kings, our Lord and Savior.
I don't know.
Maybe you've heard of him.
With that being said, God bless, good night, and good luck.
unidentified
All right, Stuart Rhodes in studio with us.
owen shroyer
We're having a conversation before he came on air here, and he heard my opening diatribe, if you will.
And we're in agreement on a lot of things, and he's kind of pivoting and he's saying, you know, what's going on over here with Bongino, Patel, and Bondi?
And I'm saying, yeah, well, it's a perfect distraction, isn't it?
It's a perfect distraction now that we're over here once again watching missiles and bombs and everything happening in Israel and Iran, and then what are we not getting that we voted for?
You know, what are we not getting that we voted for?
We're not getting mass deportations.
We're not getting the Epstein list.
We're not getting deep state arrests.
We're not getting prosecutions of the stolen election.
You know, we can go down the list.
And so when you kind of see all this develop, this is how you put it.
You said, as we're distracted over here, the deep state is getting deeper.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, they're burrowing deeper.
We're not draining the swamp at all.
The swamp is doing just fine.
So that's the problem I see.
It's very frustrating.
They're distracting President Trump.
Their plan, obviously, is to distract him and then run the clock out.
And they'll get back into power and just business as usual as it was before.
So persecuting us even worse.
It's going to be ten times worse next time.
owen shroyer
I do agree with that.
And I think that that's part of this big, beautiful bill.
And I think that a lot of this is they saw that the big, beautiful bill was losing support in the public.
Then they realized it didn't even have the votes to get passed.
So now they're like, well, what can we do?
Okay, let's have some riots.
Let's have some war.
That'll get them back in line to vote for this bill.
But at the end of it, what is it going to be?
It's going to be a bigger surveillance state aimed at the American people than we've ever seen.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, that's the false choice they're giving us, causing chaos.
That's why, like I said on Alex's show, what we should be doing, as President Trump should do, is take advantage of the situation and say, okay, you want to play that game?
Great.
I'm going to revitalize the militia right down at the county level, call all the men in America up together, Organize them in their county militias, have the veterans train the non-veterans, get them squared away.
The deeps say, well, I hate that.
Be like, oh, that's not what we meant.
We didn't mean that was a solution.
We want drones in the sky and total information awareness.
We don't want the people being armed.
It's like, well, this is the most secure way to prevent terrorism and crime.
There you go.
That's what you should do.
owen shroyer
Which, by the way, you were saying this as well, and it's like, it's really dark, it's really twisted, but you have to just deal in the reality.
Do you think...
stewart rhodes
Yeah, I think there's, I mean, there are very real jihadis that have been infiltrated into our country.
I mean, go back, of course, as you played the clip by Ron Paul, how'd they get started in the first place?
A lot of times it's our invention overseas.
The CIA created the mullahs in Iran, basically.
But the reality is they have sent their sleeper cells here.
I believe that's legitimately true.
Now, along with that could come So there could be both.
You can wind up with both.
Jihadi terror attacks.
You can wind up with communists who really are weather underground, you know, modern versions of weather underground, throwing bombs all over the place.
And you could also, within that, have deep state actors setting off explosives, either blaming it on the right or just opening it up and saying this is a leftist attack.
We could get all of that.
So whatever we're going to get, it's going to suck.
So we should be as squared away as possible, and that's why I say President Trump.
Should call us up as the militia and organize us down to the county level.
Which is one thing that no governor's ever done.
Governor Abbott dropped the ball on that a long time ago, refuses to do it.
So that's what the deep state and establishment do not want.
Whatever chaos they're doing to us, if we respond to it by organizing ourselves and our counties and get stronger, that's always the right answer.
And it's always something they don't want.
So that's what we should do.
owen shroyer
Well, and when we think about what's upcoming this weekend, any one of these things, and this is kind of my...
Whatever does happen, whether it is radical jihadis or agents of a foreign nation that slipped into our country in the open border, whether it is just radical leftists that are planning violence, whether it's a false flag from our federal government, whatever.
You can name all the different potentials.
stewart rhodes
Or all of the above.
owen shroyer
Or all of the above.
And you have the perfect situation that could happen this weekend, the situation in D.C., the situation with all these other riots that will be happening.
And I say, you know what?
People will argue over what it was.
It won't matter because the result will be the same.
The result will be the same.
More surveillance of the American people and more of a fracture and a destruction of the unity that we should be engaging in right now.
unidentified
Right.
stewart rhodes
And so the things that can be done are President Trump could organize us, like I said, in our counties, but also he could expose them.
And I called for that back in 2020.
He still has the power to declassify anything held in the files of the CIA.
FBI, NSA, on all these corrupt judges and politicians.
It's there.
The data's there.
It's how they're controlled.
I don't understand why it's not happening.
He can do that on his own.
He doesn't need anybody else to help him do that.
He doesn't need permission from Congress.
He can go declassify.
He can instruct Tulsi Gabbard to head it up and bring in military intelligence officers to go through all the data.
That's what he should do.
That goes to the root of the deep state.
They don't want him to do that.
That's why they're distracting him with foreign policy and trade wars, etc.
owen shroyer
We're going to get into, we do know who's funding and organizing these No King protests.
It's already there.
Anna Paulina Luna and others have delivered this stuff.
So it comes down to, does Pam Bondi want to do anything about it?
Does Kash Patel want to do anything about it?
You know, all signs point to no.
At this point, we shall see.
But based off their track record, probably not.
How do we, as Americans, though, deal with this moving forward?
If it is an inevitable thing, because I'm sitting here, I guess I would posture it like this.
I talk to everyday Americans.
You talk to a lot of veterans.
If you can get the pulse of any community, for you, it's veterans.
I just kind of get the pulse of the communities that I'm in.
I like to go out.
I've got different communities, different social groups I'm in here.
They're not that political.
They're just everyday Americans.
I know what they're thinking.
You know what veterans are thinking.
But then, what the problem is, we turn on the propaganda news, and they select who they show you.
So it's all this, it's this game of, oh, everybody thinks this way.
This is what everybody's thinking.
This is what everybody's saying.
Well, from my experience, you're not getting any fair representation on the network news.
The closest thing you might get is Fox News, but not even that's accurate representation.
When I talk to everyday people, they don't talk to me about Iran.
They don't talk to me about what's going on overseas and military interventions.
They want mass deportations.
They want to deal with the criminals that are in our country.
They want to drain the swamp.
I would imagine you're getting a similar thing from veterans.
Are veterans buying into the same crap that we get fed from the mainstream, or do they have different issues?
stewart rhodes
Well, sure.
I agree.
So Americans are focused on America first and fixing our own country.
And that includes draining the swamp, but it also includes dealing with the reality of we've been invaded.
We've been invaded not just by illegals coming here through Mexico, but also by the Communist Chinese.
That's just a reality.
And jihadi groups.
That's the reality.
I think October 7th attacks, October 7th style attacks, are coming to the United States.
So the veterans I talked to recognize that reality.
And so they're, you know, quietly preparing themselves.
I encourage them to reach out to the neighbors, though, too, not just other veterans.
We all need a community.
That's why my focus right now is on making our counties as strong as possible.
Our churches, our neighborhoods, our towns, and our counties.
And integrating all that together to be strong.
That's why I keep focusing on the county.
That's what's really critical.
And if President Trump wants to help with that, he can do that massively by calling us up as the militia.
He has full authority to do that.
Because every able-bodied male under federal statute is the militia from age 17 to 45. It's been turned into a dirty word.
What that really meant was is that the President of the United States could call it be the people to be our own protection, be our own law enforcement, be our own natural disaster relief, and to be our own military for repelling invasions or suppressing insurrections.
And that's why the Constitution laid it out.
That's what it's for.
And so he could do that and restore us back to what the founders intended, which is a strong...
So rather than relying on professionals, we're relying on that false choice of having, you know, drones in the sky over us and biometric, you know, and living like in a Minority Report style world.
Rather than having that, it's freedom with the people ourselves taking care of our local communities.
That's what I'm focused on.
And all the veterans I've talked to can get that because they understand that there's never enough police.
We see this over and over again.
Whether it's riots or natural disasters, the police are always overwhelmed.
And so you wind up having to step up and take care of yourselves and each other.
We've already seen the incompetency of most governments also in natural disasters.
Same is going to be true of any mass riots.
You're going to be on your own.
So you need to get ready, prepare for that with your neighbors, and become trained.
If you're not trained, seek out your local veterans and have them train you.
owen shroyer
And that was, as you said, the intention of not just the Constitution, but the very founding of this country was all about self-government.
And I see this happening all over the world, and I hate to see it happen here, but it's this idea like in Iran, oh, you need the mullahs to protect you from Israel.
In Israel, you need Netanyahu to protect you from Iran.
And so it's just, oh, constantly keep them in fear so that I can remain in power.
And you start to see the same thing happening here.
It's like, no, self-government is our option.
You're in control of your world.
You're in control of the world around you, your community.
You have self-government.
They want to erode that and get you to think, oh, I can't have control.
I need big government to come in.
I need big daddy to come in and take care of me.
And once you enter that world, it's hard to get out of it.
stewart rhodes
And they've successfully created this image in most people's minds that, oh, if the people themselves organize into militias, that's somehow bad.
Oh, that's terrible.
We can't do that.
So you wind up with a false choice.
You're unprepared, unprotected, unsecure, and then you wind up being unfree on top of that.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
And that's...
We were trying to reverse that with MAGA, and now it's like we're right back on the same path.
I mean, how much...
A lot of people want to blame Trump for everything, and it's kind of this unfair thing when it's like, you know, he has to rely on his people.
He has to rely on Pam Bondi to do her job.
He has to rely on Kash Patel to do his job.
I mean, he has to.
You know, he only has one.
He's only one man.
He only has one brain, two arms.
So it's like, at what point, you were saying before we went live here, it's time to clean house.
It's time to bring in new members of the administration.
stewart rhodes
Right.
If they're not going to do what he put them in place to do, and what we elected him to do, which is to drain the swamp, and have accountability, then he needs to put new people in place, which means fire them.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and I think this weekend, if you're going to let, if something bad happens this weekend, let's pray it doesn't, if something bad happens this weekend, then to me, I mean, Bondi has to go.
I mean, maybe you give Patel a little more leeway.
You have to make an example because this could have been shut down.
I got the whole stack right here.
Multiple people have already sent this information to the DOJ.
Anna Paulina Luna, this other ex-account, Data Republican, this other journalist, Azra Nomani.
We've got it all.
We've got every name.
We've got every group.
We've got the exact amount of money.
Everything.
It's public.
It's not even like you have to do a deep dive of a secret government agency to find this stuff.
It's all public.
This is all available for Pam Bondi.
She could shut it all down before this weekend.
And if something bad goes on, you look right at the FBI, you look right at the Attorney General, and you say, you had the opportunity to start it, you had the opportunity to stop it, you didn't.
stewart rhodes
Well, it takes time for investigations to occur and for grand juries to be impaneled.
That's true.
And that's what I keep hearing from people who are saying, we've got to give them time.
But the problem is they've had plenty of time to impanel a grand jury.
We already know the crimes were committed around January 6th, like the murder of Ashley Babbitt, right?
Or the two cops that lied on the stand in my case.
So that's where I'm not willing to give them grace anymore because they have not.
There's no task force.
Where's the task force?
It should be an FBI task force.
owen shroyer
A special committee?
stewart rhodes
Yeah.
owen shroyer
What about them erasing all the evidence?
stewart rhodes
Right.
So there should be a task force in the FBI.
There was one to go after us.
There should be a counterpart task force to go after the criminals that persecuted us and stole the election and covered their tracks.
There should be a task force inside the DOJ.
There is a weaponization section that's now under the command of Ed Martin, which is great.
I think he's really good.
owen shroyer
He's one of the best, actually.
Ed Martin is one of the best that we can get.
stewart rhodes
He should be AG, frankly.
He really should.
owen shroyer
I would definitely get behind that.
unidentified
Right.
stewart rhodes
But I don't think Pam Bondi, being a career prosecutor, is ever going to prosecute other prosecutors.
We're suborning perjury, which is what they did.
And the reason she won't do that is she probably did it herself.
This is the dirty secret Americans don't understand about prosecutors.
All across the country, prosecutors coerce people into false confessions and then coerce them into bearing false testimony.
And they get away with it all the time.
So it's actually a crime.
Suborning perjury is a crime.
Conspiracy commit perjury is a crime.
And yet no prosecutors ever held to account.
And so they're all in the club together and they protect each other.
So I don't expect Pam Bondi to ever prosecute a prosecutor.
That's why it was a mistake to put a career prosecutor in that position, if you're trying to clean house.
I saw two of my own prosecutors, in my case, sitting in the courtroom at Lieutenant Shane LeMond's sentencing the other day, on Friday.
I was there watching that, where he's a good guy cop being prosecuted because he wanted to testify for the Proud Boys trial, and he's being sentenced, and there are two of the same prosecutors that persecuted us are still in place.
They're not being fired, they're not being purged.
That's the other thing.
There's no excuse for not firing the prosecutors that already violated their oath.
Same goes for no excuse with Cash Patel and Bongino for not firing all the agents.
They gave them all a pass.
They only blame the leadership.
They give the rank and file a pass.
That's inexcusable.
owen shroyer
And there's going to be some other news coming out soon about the treatment of the whistleblowers and some other issues going on with that.
I don't want to break that right now.
It's not my story.
But there's going to be another big issue, I think, coming up soon as well.
And, you know, we could have had, maybe we could have had Matt Gaetz.
If it wasn't for the compromising situation he had with Joel Greenberg, we might have Matt Gaetz as our Attorney General, but because of that situation with Greenberg, obviously we're stuck with Bondi.
And so that's unfortunate.
But I look at it too, I say, the Democrats gave you the blueprint and the green light.
The exact same tactics that they used to round up a bunch of January Sixers, which by the way, at this point in the Biden administration, many indictments had already been filed.
Many charges and arrests had already been made.
So this whole time thing, the clock has run out.
And they've already given you the blueprint.
Everything that they did to round up January Sixers, you could easily do with these riots that we just witnessed.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, within weeks.
So with the riots going on now, it might take a week or two.
That's about it.
Now, what they could do is what the, I was talking about with Alex earlier, what the U.S. Marshals did in Portland is they identified the ones throwing Molotov cocktails or who were leading the illegal activities, and they went out and arrested them.
They snatched them up and arrested them.
An officer can arrest anybody he sees committing a crime.
You don't have to wait for an indictment to do that.
You can go arrest them on the scene and charge them and then process them for arrest or for prosecution.
That can be done right now.
That's what can be done this weekend.
They can go out there with FBI agents and U.S. Marshals and snatch up those who are breaking the law right in front of them.
They can still do that.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Now, the problem with that is the Democrats defunded the police, so...
stewart rhodes
Well, that's why President Trump can use federal agents to do that.
That's why I bring up Oregon.
owen shroyer
And is that part of the Insurrection Act?
stewart rhodes
He could.
So under the Insurrection Act, he can use the military and the militia, which includes the National Guard, he can use them to go and assist federal officers in arresting those who are attacking other federal officers.
So the U.S. Marshals, for example, can go in and snatch up anyone they see throwing a Molotov cocktail or anyone they see and identify as a leader.
Who's inciting this riot?
You don't have to wait for the riot to be over with to later indict the person that incited it.
If you see them on the spot doing it, you can arrest them for doing it.
owen shroyer
So what other aspects?
I don't know if the crew wants to bring you your papers.
We're a little short-staffed today.
You were saying the Insurrection Act was the solution in 2020.
Obviously, 2020 went down.
The riots happened.
Really no big arrests were made.
The biggest arrests that were made all ended up getting tiny little charges because they got in front of a blue judge, a Democrat judge.
They got a liberal prosecuting attorney.
So they basically got a little slap on the wrist.
I remember somebody told me yesterday, I was having a conversation somewhere yesterday.
They said, well, you know, remember at the 2020 riots, they caught those Democrat lawyers and gave them like 20 years.
I was like, no, they didn't.
They were out in two months.
And they were like stunned.
They were like, what do you mean there?
I was like, yeah, they got out in two months.
stewart rhodes
The ones that firebombed the car?
owen shroyer
Yeah, the cop car.
You did more time than them.
stewart rhodes
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
owen shroyer
So it's like people don't even really know how corrupt and how bad it is.
stewart rhodes
That's what's bad, though, is all the same prosecutors that let them off with nothing are the same ones that are still there working for the DOJ.
Why have they not been purged out?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
stewart rhodes
They haven't been fired.
So they'll be there again when they regain power.
The attitude of the deep state now is obviously, hey, we'll run the clock out on Trump, and when he's gone, it's back to business as usual.
We'll go back and get all those right-wingers we didn't get last time.
We're going to go get them.
That's what's going to happen.
owen shroyer
Let me ask you a little bit about political philosophy here.
I did a speech at a Lincoln Day event not too long ago where, you know, Abraham Lincoln is well known as one of the greatest presidents of all time.
But if you talk to somebody – I can tell you about that.
So where do you kind of cross the lines here?
How do you analyze that?
Because I look at what Lincoln did and I'm saying, okay, well, from his perspective, he did the things that he thought he needed to do to save the republic at that time.
Now, will you look back on that as a constitutionalist and say, gee, Lincoln was kind of a tyrant and authoritarian with some of these things, but do you say – Because I think that Trump is kind of in the same boat right now.
And even though we don't have a declared civil war, I mean, come on.
The Democrats have declared war against this country.
That's undeniable.
So do you think Trump is in kind of a similar boat?
stewart rhodes
Well, you have to follow the Constitution.
So if you swear a note for the Constitution, like I did as a paratrooper, or President Trump did as president, he has to follow it.
Lincoln violated the Constitution, not just by suspending habeas corpus on his own, also by interning.
Over 15,000 Northerners as unlawful combatants in the war against the South.
And he held them in military brigs, way beyond the term that Congress authorized when they actually did do a behavior suspension statute.
It was 20 days.
If he could hold for 20 days, at the end of 20 days, he must release, either indict or release them.
That was a statute passed by Congress.
So he went way beyond that, held them for years in military jurisdiction, even tried, I believe about 5,000 were tried by military tribunal.
That was unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court later, ex parte Milligan, ruled that it was unconstitutional after the war was over.
So Lincoln's dead.
The war's over.
The Supreme Court finally hears the case of a guy sentenced to death by a military tribunal and was after the emergency because that's what happens to people.
During an emergency, we tend to set aside our rights.
In turn, Japanese-Americans, mass roundups and all that kind of stuff tend to happen.
But afterwards, people calm back down.
owen shroyer
COVID-19.
stewart rhodes
Right, COVID-19.
So the Supreme Court, in a rare decision, Put the genie back in the bottle.
I think President Trump is under an obligation to defend the Constitution, to not do what the bad guys do and violate it.
But he doesn't have to violate it.
He's actually following it when he protects our sovereignty, when he protects the right to Republican former government guaranteed to each state by Article 4 of the U.S. Constitution.
It puts a duty on him to secure those rights.
That's not inconsistent with the Constitution.
It's following it.
He has the right and authority to repel invasions.
Suppress insurrections and execute the laws of the Union, such as our immigration laws.
So he can use we the people as the militia to do that.
That's my point.
The false choice is like we have either chaos in the streets and nothing is done to cure this problem we have or we go to this utopian surveillance state instead.
No, the answer is in the Constitution.
owen shroyer
Which is where we're headed.
And I guess, I think there's this fear in D.C. And I don't know if it's, But there's this fear in D.C. I think that persists.
It's like, hey, we can't abolish the IRS.
We can't shut down the FBI.
We can't close the Pentagon.
We can't shut down the State Department.
And it's like, no, actually, you can.
And you should.
But there's this fear.
It's like, oh, my gosh.
The ramifications are too big.
I think it's the opposite.
I think the ramifications are too big if we don't.
stewart rhodes
Right.
We have to defeat the deep state.
We have three years to defeat the deep state.
If we don't, it's going to come back and it's going to be horrible for us.
That's why it has to be the CIA should be scared of the four winds like JFK threatened to do before they killed him.
The FBI should be terminated.
The FBI from its very beginning has been corrupt.
It's ridiculous to hear Ben Bongino and Patel talk about restoring the FBI to its former greatness as our premier law enforcement agency.
The FBI has been corrupt from the very beginning.
And back to my point, the Constitution never says anything about Congress providing for calling forth the FBI to execute the laws of the union.
It says, call forth the militia to execute the laws of the union.
So the president wants assistance in executing the laws of the union.
He's supposed to call on us, the people, as the militia.
And that's kind of a mind-blower.
That's what we're supposed to be doing.
That's who's supposed to go out there and help him, like right now, execute the laws about immigration and deport these people.
It should be us, the people, as the militia.
But we're not organized anymore.
And you're not a militia unit, right?
Neither am I, because they haven't organized it.
So that's the thing they've allowed to atrophy and die away intentionally.
Replacing it with other versions of standing armies.
The founders distrusted standing armies.
Now, I listened to you talk about Washington's farewell address.
One of their core principles was, hey, we don't trust standing armies.
That's why we want to have the militia system.
And what is the FBI?
What is DHS, if not another version of a standing army?
What are professional police forces, like during COVID, that followed orders and just, you know, shut down businesses and arrested people for walking on the beach, not wearing a mask?
They're standing armies.
They are a version of a standing army because they are dedicated to their job and they'll follow orders because they're worried about losing their job, losing their pension, their ability to provide for their family.
That's the problem with professional police forces.
Same problem with professional militaries.
They will always follow orders.
Not always, but the tendency, the human nature tendency is to follow orders.
That's why the founders wanted the power to be in the hands of the people as the militia.
owen shroyer
The other mind-blowing reverse reality that we get reminded of way too often when we have these hearings with these bureaucrats, you know, Congress is supposed to be above the federal agencies.
Use the FBI as an example.
Congress is supposed to be above them.
Congress is supposed to not only have oversight, but they can, you know, they're in charge.
Congress is supposed to be above.
And now we kind of see this phenomenon.
These federal agencies, the FBI, they think they're above Congress.
And it's like Congress can't even do anything about them.
unidentified
Right.
stewart rhodes
Well, they also just passed the buck.
Same way that Congress passes the buck to the courts.
Congress is saying, oh, we're just going to decide what we think is right, and it's up to the courts to later tell us whether or not it's constitutional or not.
I work for Ron Paul.
One of the big points he made is it's our responsibility as members of Congress to say from the outset whether something is constitutional or not.
If it's not constitutional, don't support it.
You can't support something that you know is unconstitutional and pass the buck to the court.
You know, wash your hands of it like Pontius Pilate.
You also can't pass the buck.
Like you said, to regulatory agencies and say, well, you know, we're going to go ahead and let them write their own rules.
ATF makes its own dang law.
BOP makes its own policies whether or not to enforce the SEP Act.
owen shroyer
Both of those agencies are a disaster.
stewart rhodes
Oh, yeah.
Well, they all are a disaster.
That's the problem, is that.
All these agencies, that is permanent Washington.
That is the deep state.
owen shroyer
And it's like, you can have good leadership, but if the agency's rotten, it's not really...
All right, stick through this break.
Alex had a request.
He wants you to tell you about methylene.
He wants you to talk about methylene blue.
All right, Stuart Rhodes with me for a little bit more.
Before you give your Methyl in Blue update at the request of Alex Jones, you're not turning blue yet.
We were having a laugh in the break because I was saying, you know, I feel like I've been doing this politics for about 15 years here at Enforcer 10. I feel like I'm on the hamster wheel.
I feel like I'm in Groundhog's Day.
You kind of had a bit of a laugh about that.
stewart rhodes
Nothing's changed.
owen shroyer
Nothing's changed.
Like, I just keep waking up, the same song on the alarm clock, the same time.
I'm like, man.
stewart rhodes
Yeah.
The griff continues.
The song and dance continues.
The people that we elect to office that we think are going to do the right thing sell us out.
I'm leaving Trump off that list for now because I believe he has a good heart.
That's why he's on my arm.
I believe he has good intent.
He's got a warrior's heart.
But he's putting people in place that are not doing what they should do.
He should be like he was back on The Apprentice.
You're fired.
owen shroyer
I can't get enough firings.
That'd be like music to my ears.
But I do.
I feel like I'm Bill Murray at Groundhog's Day.
And it's like, sometimes he's there and he's just like, He just spikes the microphone.
And then other days, he delivers a perfectly executed soliloquy on all these different issues and leaves everybody stunned.
It's like, you don't know.
You just wake up in the same hamster wheel.
stewart rhodes
But he's improving along the whole way.
owen shroyer
And eventually he gets out of it.
Eventually he figures it out.
And the answer is love, I guess.
Really, right?
I mean, let's get a little hippie on him here.
The answer is love at the end of the day.
stewart rhodes
And it kind of is.
If you can unite the people that realize it's just about...
Now, they've observed the gallows, though.
No love for them.
owen shroyer
Well, I think that might be the law when it comes to treason, but that's another conversation.
All right, Alex wanted you, he gave you the methylene blue drink earlier, is that correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
And he wanted you to do a review.
stewart rhodes
Hey, I can feel a definite, like an energy spike.
Yeah, it feels pretty good.
owen shroyer
What are you going to do now?
stewart rhodes
I'm going to see if it has a crash.
owen shroyer
I've never heard of a crash.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, apparently it doesn't.
But yeah, it feels pretty good.
Yeah, definitely I feel sharper.
owen shroyer
Okay.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, because I was pretty tired coming in here.
tucker carlson
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah, I was.
owen shroyer
Well, you're running around Texas right now.
You're dealing with some other issues here.
stewart rhodes
I was driving all over Texas giving speeches for True Texas Project, and I was pretty deficient in sleep.
Yeah, I feel pretty good.
owen shroyer
So did he give you the drink or the capsules?
stewart rhodes
I took the drink, but I got a bottle of each, and I'm going to go and do a longer-term test.
We'll see how it goes.
owen shroyer
Okay.
By the way, the capsules right now, folks, buy two, get one bottle of CMOS capsules free.
That sale ends Sunday night.
You know, briefly, before I have to let you go, we've got some other guests coming up.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, I do feel kind of amped right now.
owen shroyer
That's good.
Well, that's probably, I don't know, that might be because you're hanging out with me.
So we've got to maybe try to get a placebo.
stewart rhodes
I think it's with methylene blue.
owen shroyer
Go hang out.
Go hang out with a Texas Republican that's duller than a 100-year-old pencil.
stewart rhodes
Okay.
owen shroyer
And see if you can get amped from that.
stewart rhodes
That'll be the test.
owen shroyer
You know, it's crazy.
We were talking about this, too.
People don't realize.
It's like Texas is a red state.
Most of the people here.
Here's one thing.
I've never said this before, but it's true.
It used to be like 2016, first Trump administration.
You know, you kind of feel out a situation before you get into your politics or supporting Trump.
Now, I just dive right in.
I'm like, oh yeah, I like Trump.
It's like, it's well-received.
The Texas Republicans, how many Texas Republicans do you think are actually Democrats?
Like half?
stewart rhodes
Oh, the ones in the leadership, yes.
Rank and file, no.
The Democrats cross.
owen shroyer
Yeah, not the voters.
unidentified
Right.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
stewart rhodes
Because we have an open primary, which makes no sense, except that the entrenched rhinos want to keep it that way.
Because we have an open primary, Democrats will run a Democrat as a Republican and then cross over and vote for their Democrat buddy running as a Republican, and he'll win the primary.
And once he's won the primary, that's it.
That's the whole enchilada.
Because every Republican will vote for the guy with the R behind his name.
The same thing in Michigan.
Any state with an open primary, they're going to come in and vote for their rhinos, literally Democrats running as Republicans.
That's who's going to get elected.
I have friends in Michigan.
That's what happened to them.
They ran a Democrat as a Republican.
All the Democrats crossed over and voted in the primary.
It's idiotic to have open primaries.
owen shroyer
It makes no sense.
stewart rhodes
If you don't fix that, you're done.
owen shroyer
If you're going to have open primaries, then you should just have one ticket.
And then have everybody on one ticket, and whoever has the two most amount of votes just gets advanced.
But if you have it like, oh, it's a party ticket, but it's an open primary, stupid.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, the machine is going to vote for their people.
And like I said, so the Uniparty will always make sure their candidate's in there, oftentimes an actual Democrat.
We'll be running as a Republican.
owen shroyer
Yeah, it's so bad.
It's actually mind-blowing how bad the Texas Republicans are.
stewart rhodes
It's terrible.
Yeah, it is.
The rank and file are awesome.
owen shroyer
And I go to the cap, a lot of people there, but it's just like half of the actual Republicans in the state legislature, they are literally Democrats.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
It's insane.
All right, Stuart Roach, great American patriot.
Always great to see you continue your journey throughout Texas, brother.
stewart rhodes
God bless.
unidentified
God bless.
you You can be a humanitarian man All right, we got a lot of other issues here.
owen shroyer
And, you know, I got more headlines on the situation with Israel and Iran.
I don't know if there's anything more to talk about there.
I'm sure people want to call in on that.
But I got so much other news here.
We'll try to get through it all and then maybe get to some calls.
International Atomic Energy confirms Israel struck Iran's nuclear enrichment facility at Natanz.
But, oh, there's no fallout.
So I guess they didn't have nuclear weapons.
IDF strikes and destroys largest uranium enrichment facility.
So they lied about what was going on there.
No surprise.
Been lying about it for 40 years.
On and on and on.
Iran blames U.S. for putting Israel to attack.
So here's the big problem that a lot of people have trouble accepting or dealing with.
And it really goes back to September 11th.
And that's why September 11th truth is so imperative, I believe, for the American people to understand.
It was an inside job.
Somebody set bombs up for a controlled demolition of those three buildings.
We're about to have a congressional review, at least of Building 7, that was clearly a controlled demolition.
If you want to debate about the Twin Towers, then okay, whatever.
Don't believe your own lying eyes.
But Building 7 clearly a controlled demolition.
So who did it?
Who planted the demolition devices and explosive devices to bring the buildings down?
It wasn't an airplane.
So who did it?
So once you realize that, because of course so many people at that point in time believed we were attacked by radical jihadis that hate us for our way of life.
Now that doesn't mean that there aren't radical Islamic jihadis that hate us.
And that doesn't mean that there aren't radical Islamic jihadis that would try a terror attack like that or were even involved in it.
But you could easily have a situation, and I'm not even saying I believe this, but you could have some...
And then what do you do?
You go fight Israel's wars and fight Israel's enemies.
But they don't hate us because of our way of life.
They hate us because we support Israel.
They hate us because we provide military support for Israel and military funding and aid for Israel.
That's why they hate us.
So really they just hate Israel.
They would love, and anytime Israel starts anything in the Middle East, which they're doing all the time, just look at the last two years, is there a country that has bombed and killed more people than Israel in the last two years?
Seriously, is there?
Probably not.
But, you know, they're the victims.
So whenever these countries that Israel bombs and attacks...
So they don't hate us because of our way of life.
They hate us because we support Israel.
We're Israel's big brother.
So Israel goes around, causes a bunch of trouble, and then comes running to daddy for help.
Now, at one point, maybe you think, okay, let's support it as the...
Again, I've seen this before.
I've seen the saber rattling.
I've seen the back and forth.
And every other time it's just resulted to isolated things and then mostly theater.
Now again, I feel bad for the people that are going to suffer from this.
People are going to die from this.
There's going to be more tension in the region.
I want nothing to do with it.
But we've seen the same song and dance before.
So at some point, and it's really inevitable now, and it's too bad that this just...
Israel is like a sinkhole.
A sinkhole for our money and a sinkhole for our politics.
So it's like, hey, we want to get something done.
And then here comes this sinkhole again, taking our money and taking our attention away.
They're just going to be done with it.
And a lot of it is a generational thing as well.
A lot of it is a generational thing.
And so you can have the debate about good or bad relations with Israel, supporting Israel.
You can have the debate as much as you want.
My generation and the younger generations, they don't care.
They're not going to hear whatever it is you think is good or bad about the situation in the Middle East.
They're done.
They want nothing to do with Israel.
Israel could be the greatest country on earth, the worst country on earth, won't make a difference.
My generation, younger generation of Americans, are done being attached at the hip to Israel.
They're done.
And quite frankly, you know, the people that run Israel aren't smart, and they have the best spy apparatus in the world.
They infiltrate everything.
Just look at how they infiltrated Iran.
Look at how they infiltrated Hamas.
Israel infiltrates and spies probably better than any country on earth, you could argue.
So they're well aware of how they're losing support.
So that's why you see more Israel propaganda everywhere than you've ever seen in your life.
Because they're trying to save that support because they know future generations of Americans, it's done.
It's over.
Which actually puts us in a very compromising position.
What will happen to try to save that support?
Now, we could have had Matt Gaetz as Attorney General, but he hosts a show at OANN now, in which he said this last night.
matt gaetz
War with Iran would be a terrible idea.
It would divide Trump's coalition and cost America our credibility and our treasure.
President Trump should let his outstanding team of negotiators work a deal.
If an accord cannot be achieved, he should return to maximum pressure, which worked, keeping Iran constrained during his first administration.
To be clear, this is all Joe Biden's fault.
He enriched Iran because he was obsessed with involving America in the war between Russia and Ukraine.
That spiked fuel prices, so Biden unclenched the grip on Iran and Venezuela.
But Trump doesn't have to follow Israel into war with Iran just because President Biden was asleep at the wheel.
Trump should do what Trump does best: utilize leverage, make a deal backed by might to protect America.
The Bushes believed that America had to play referee in the deserts of the Middle East.
That was costly, foolish, and probably created more terrorists than we vanquished.
Boy, maybe that's why Matt Gaetz couldn't become Attorney General.
unidentified
Hmm?
owen shroyer
Maybe that's why they couldn't get Matt Gaetz past the finish line for attorney general.
Because...
There you have it.
By the way, a lot of those weapons from Ukraine are now getting sent to the Middle East.
So, and you've got the Israeli lobbyists, the Israeli firsters like Mark Levin, who, by the way, isn't it amazing?
Isn't it amazing to watch all of these Israel firsters like Levin celebrate these strikes from the comfort of America?
From the comfort of America.
Isn't it nice?
You'll go start a bunch of shit in the Middle East and get a bunch of people killed from the comfort of America.
Must be nice.
Boy, isn't it nice?
Now, all joking aside, solemnly, I pray this doesn't reach our soil, folks.
I pray.
I pray.
But we just had an open border for four years.
And now we're just as much involved with Israel as we've ever been.
So let's pray it doesn't hit our homeland.
But it already has.
It already has with all these protests and the standoffs between people waving Israel flags and people raving Palestinian flags.
Not an American flag in sight.
So it's already happened.
It's already here.
It already happened in Boulder, Colorado.
It already happened outside of a Jewish museum.
It's already here.
I pray that's it.
But who do you think is more popular?
Tucker Carlson or Mark Levin?
No, they hate Tucker Carlson because he doesn't buy the Israeli propaganda.
They hate Tucker Carlson because he doesn't believe in getting involved in foreign entanglements, The Israeli lobby is here to do.
It's not about America.
The only reason they claim to support or love America is because we're just an asset to Israel.
That's all it is.
Ben Shapiro, at least to his credit, admitted that.
He was honest about that.
So now Levin is attacking Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, I'm not at Fox News anymore.
It's funny, listen to this Tucker Carlson clip directly calling out Fox News.
But talking to David Sachs about, well, what's really going on with the Iran nuclear weapon.
Clip nine.
tucker carlson
Fox News is telling everyone every day they're, you know, moments away from a nuclear.
We cannot allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
Day after day after day.
Why not just say no?
jeffrey sachs
I think, by the way, that's true.
And Iran would agree with that.
Okay?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
tucker carlson
But if you went on television right now, if you were back on your old perch on Morning Joe and you said, actually, Iran doesn't want a nuclear weapon, they would accuse you immediately of being an agent of Iran.
jeffrey sachs
They might.
Because maybe someone would tell them in their little earpiece to say that because that's how it works.
tucker carlson
But you're saying that's true.
I mean, you're acting like that's like a non-controversial statement.
Iran doesn't want to bomb.
They've said they don't.
They just don't want to get attacked.
jeffrey sachs
They have said for years, remove our sanctions, normalize relations, stop trying to overthrow us.
Tell your bulldog, Israel, to stop threatening us with war.
And we can have perfectly normal relations, and we don't want a nuclear weapon.
owen shroyer
Yeah, well, again, why don't we have Matt Gaetz as Attorney General?
unidentified
Why isn't Tucker Carlson still on Fox News?
owen shroyer
Iran blames U.S. for Israel attack.
It's just inevitable, even if we really had nothing to do with it.
And by the way, it's ironic too, as there's these reports, and it's all just like air traffic monitoring, but there's a, at the Qatar base in, at the U.S. base in Qatar, it's one of the most important bases we have, there is a plane that gets refueled there and then delivers fuel to Israel, which just happened before the Israeli attack on Iran.
And so people are saying, look, this is proof that U.S. was supporting it.
Well, hold on a second.
If you go look at the air traffic reports, that flight happens nearly every day.
So that wasn't an out-of-the-ordinary flight.
However, however, that base, that flight pattern, maybe specifically that flight, exact flight pattern, but that base with the U.S. military operations in Qatar does provide support for Israel.
So it's funny.
and You do realize that our base in Qatar provides support for Israel.
You do realize that.
You do realize that literally Qatar allows us to support Israel.
So, you know, and Qatar greenlights that.
So it's really ironic watching all the Israeli Persians, Qatar, Qatar, Qatar!
If it wasn't for Qatar, you wouldn't get a lot of the military support you get from us.
So maybe you should be thanking Qatar, but you just can't.
You just can't help it.
And again, whether we had anything to do with this attack or not, of course it's going to be blamed on us.
Who's given Israel hundreds of billions of dollars for the last decades?
Who's given Israel all the weapons that they use?
So of course it's going to be blamed on us.
We could have nothing to do with it.
And maybe we didn't.
And it won't matter.
They'll still blame it on us because it's too late.
We've already been in bed with these people for too long.
They already own our government.
They already run most of our media.
Trump says Israel's attack could help make a deal with Iran.
Well, that sounds completely ridiculous.
But think about it like this.
If the deal is that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, and Israel just claimed to destroy all of Iran's nuclear weapon capabilities, then what's holding back from a deal now?
Then what's stopping the deal from being done?
Are they going to say, oh, and this is how dumb they'll think you are.
They'll still come out and say, Iran is building a nuclear bomb.
Even though they just claimed to have destroyed all of Iran's nuclear bomb building capabilities.
I can't wait till that chapter happens.
I can't wait till that chapter drops and watch all the people parrot and clap like seals.
They don't even see the basic irony of it.
The basic impossibility of it.
So, okay.
Trump says, well, alright, we're going back to the negotiating table.
That ain't gonna happen.
All right, maybe now we can make a deal with Iran.
Good luck with that.
But if getting Iran's nuclear weapon capabilities off the table was the part of the deal that they couldn't break through, well, now it shouldn't be an issue, should it?
Now they should be able to have a deal.
So Iran can say, all right, hey, Israel just blew up all of our nuclear capabilities.
So we can't even make a weapon anymore.
Israel blew it all up.
All right, can we have a deal?
And then Israel will say, no!
They're still doing it!
They're still doing it!
Regime change killed it all!
Saudi Arabia came out and condemned the attack.
Look, I think it's both ways in Saudi Arabia.
Here's, remove all the politics.
Because this is actually the most important part.
Remove all the politics.
Remove all the whataboutism.
Remove all the different sides, all the different issues, all the different policies and geopolitical disputes.
Just remove all of it.
Remove it all.
And what are we looking at here?
We're looking at governments that do not represent their people.
They do not represent their people's desires.
They do not represent their people's wills.
They do not represent what the people want.
And pick any one of these countries involved, and it's the same story.
And by the way, they always try to perpetuate this narrative on the American people that somehow, oh, everyone in Iran feels the same way.
No, Iran has a left and a right and all kinds of different political issues, just like America has.
Same thing in Israel.
Oh, everybody in Israel feels the same way.
No, they don't.
Israel is very divided.
They have a left and a right and all kinds of different issues, just like America.
There is no monolith of thought in any of these countries.
So throw that propaganda out the window.
So what do you have?
You have people in Iran that hate their government.
You have people in Iran that think their government is evil and doesn't represent them.
You have the same thing in Israel.
You have the same thing in the United States of America.
See the problem?
We all have...
Whether you're in Iran, whether you're in Israel, whether in the United States of America, name whatever country you want, but for this conversation, for this issue, this is what we're talking about.
Our governments don't represent us.
Our governments are evil.
They represent something else.
They fight for something else.
And it's not us.
And that's the problem.
Our governments no longer work for us.
They no longer represent our values, our needs, our desires, and our futures.
And that's one thing all of us have in common.
Whether you're in Iran, whether you're in Israel, or whether you're in the United States of America, we all have that in common.
We'd all like peace, wouldn't we?
We'd all like to get along.
We'd all like to stop the fighting and the hatred and the corrupt politics.
But here we are.
Here we are.
Same corrupt governments.
Same corrupt politics.
Same fights that none of us want anything to do with.
It's not good.
But that's the ultimate truth.
All of our governments are corrupted.
All of our governments don't represent the people that they're supposed to.
And that's why we're in these messes.
Unfortunately.
That's where we're at.
All right.
Now, we've got some other things to cover here.
As I said, and Napoleon Luna, do not attend the No Kings protest this weekend.
I have screenshots circulating that leftists are going to wear MAGA gear in an attempt to cause chaos.
Oh, just like January 6th.
And then she did multiple interviews.
I'm out of time to cover them all here.
We can maybe get to them coming up.
Azra Nomani did a huge report.
Who is funding the anti-Trump No Kings protests?
It's 198 companies with $2.1 billion in revenues.
And she goes on and lays it all out.
She lays it all out.
The names, the organizations, the dollar amounts, all of it.
Pam Bondi could have all of this, and she could be waiting to do something about it.
Do you think she is?
And Dad, a Republican, who is also working to expose a lot of this information, has done a great job.
Anna Paulina Luna gives the account a lot of credit.
You want to clean up the streets?
President Trump should invite Xi Jinping To California or to D.C. or anywhere, and you watch, the Democrats will clean those streets faster than I don't even know.
What's the fastest thing you can think of?
The Democrats, if you brought Xi Jinping to Los Angeles, if you brought Xi Jinping to New York, if you brought Xi Jinping to D.C., the Democrats would clean those streets up and stop those protests faster than they'd vote on a bill to take your rights.
Faster than they'd vote on a bill to...
So, you want to clean up the streets?
Invite Xi Jinping to L.A. They'll clean them up real quick.
You won't see a damn protester.
You won't see a damn homeless person, protester, a turd on the street.
If you brought Xi Jinping to California, they'd have that cleaned up real quick.
Real quick.
I think I can get one Anna Paulina clip in here.
unidentified
Let's go to clip 11. So it's actually being funded by a billionaire by the name of Neville Singham.
anna paulina luna
He's actually funding a group called the Party for Socialism and Liberation, which if you look online, they are a communist organization.
What they're doing is they are using Hispanic Americans the way that BLM used black Americans during these whites and frankly the way that Code Pink, which is also funded by the CCP, is using Palestinians.
So what they're trying to do is they're using this to usher in Marxism.
But it's important to note that actually when you find and you follow the money trail, Mr. Stingham is actually largely funded by the Communist Chinese Party.
So House Oversight has issued and will be sending a letter this Friday with all members of Oversight calling Mr. Stingham to testify before Congress.
If he does not appear and does not provide documents, he will then be held in contempt of Congress.
And he will be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.
We are not playing.
This is a different administration.
We have the Department of Justice.
owen shroyer
And if you interfere with American politics and are a foreign agent, you will be able And Josh Howley has done the same thing that Anna Paulina in the House is talking about.
So they're going to deliver the goods.
Now, how much they can deliver and, you know, gift wrap with a bow on it and everything.
But they're going to deliver the goods.
But what's the finish line?
Where does it all go to die?
The Department of Justice and Pam Bondi's desk.
So to me, this has to be the final straw.
This has to be the final straw.
If we go through this weekend and there'll be violence, and then the House and the Senate both have the deliverables for Pam Bondi for indictments, grand juries, whatever, and she doesn't deliver, that's it.
Pam Bondi has to be fired.
Now, most people would argue she should have already been fired, but that has to be the last trial.
You know, I'm conflicted here because I got a lot of news to cover.
I don't think I've taken a phone call all week.
And I'd love to hear from our listeners with all of this.
So I feel like I've got to take some calls here, guys.
And we do have guests coming up, but I feel like I've got to hear from our audience with all of these developments.
So let's do that.
Let's try to make that happen.
Let's try to do it all.
Let's try to live the dream.
Have our cake and eat it too.
Let's put the phone line up on the screen.
877-789-2539.
877-789-2539.
Your reaction.
Number on the screen.
Your reaction to everything we have covered here today.
All the big news developments.
Now, we got more on these protests coming up.
And I don't know what's new and what's not, guys.
Are these new attacks on Israel or is this the old video?
Do we know?
Okay, so I think these are the old ones.
I don't know.
Again, there's going to be so much propaganda in the next 24 hours.
You've got to really be careful of what to trust and what not to trust.
There's going to be people spreading videos from 10 years ago and two years ago.
So just be careful.
So let's just, we'll just draw away from that, guys.
Now, we've covered how you have the social media influence, the digital influence campaigns of these No Kings protests, and we've had multiple people admit that they were offered the money to do so.
Well, another element has just been discovered.
They sent a soundbite, and they said, this is a soundbite.
Of a child being separated from her mother.
And so they send this soundbite out and they say, hey, share this on social media.
It's probably all paid.
And they say, this is audio of a child being separated from her mother.
This is how bad ICE is.
This is how much the Trump administration hates people.
So, well, guess what?
Listen to what this girl discovered.
About that soundbite.
And she lays it all out here with the proof of exactly what they're doing.
unidentified
Watch this in clip 16. It was brought to my attention that the sound of the little girl crying because her mother's getting deported is not even real!
It's from a movie!
Oh my gosh, bro.
Y 'all sound so dumb.
Let me show you something.
Look at your tears.
Just wait for it.
Just wait for it.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't be laughing.
This is where it came from!
Like, you guys just look stupid.
Like, you look so stupid.
Please!
I can't be trying anymore.
I can't.
Keep crying about it again.
Keep tagging me in y 'all's videos.
owen shroyer
I don't care.
Guys, whoever's organizing this stuff sent them a soundbite from a movie.
From a movie.
And probably offered them money and said, share this on your social media, play the soundbite, share it.
And so they did it.
And then they use a hashtag.
This is how it's all rigged.
This is your new digital propaganda sphere.
So they say, okay, here's the soundbite.
Share this soundbite.
And then they all share it.
And they're all crying, by the way.
They're all sitting there with tears.
They're probably, you know, squirting eye drops or, you know, putting their head in the sink before they do it.
unidentified
So, oh, you know, oh, they got the waterworks going.
owen shroyer
And they put the little caption up, child separated from mother.
Ice is so bad.
Oh, my God.
They're crying.
And then they have the, and then I don't really know how Instagram works because I'm banned there.
I think this is Instagram or TikTok.
I don't even know.
But they're able to use the algorithm to make it trend so that basically you just sit there and you just get this constant feed of this little girl's sound being separated from her mother.
It's from a movie!
unidentified
This is how insane things are.
owen shroyer
You just, you understand?
So it's like, this is why we're here, folks.
This is why InfoWars is here for you.
This is why we're on air for you.
This is why you need to support us by shopping at thealexjonesstore.com.
You are surrounded in a world of propaganda.
It's everywhere.
It's on the network news.
It's on the local news.
It's on all of your social media apps.
That's why you tune in right here.
So that you can figure out what's really going on in the world.
But imagine that.
That's what they're doing.
Here, share this soundbite.
It's from a freaking movie.
And every single one of you dipshits fell for it.
Un-freaking-believable.
All right, you know what?
Let's just load up the lines.
Let me get some of these other video clips.
I don't even, I can't, this is just too fun.
Tampon Tim Walls.
He gets asked the most difficult question you can ask a Democrat.
unidentified
From Nancy Mace, clip 15. What is a woman?
nancy mace
What is a woman is the question.
unidentified
I'm not sure I understand the question here.
What do you want me to say?
nancy mace
I want you to say that a woman like me is an adult human female, that men can't become women.
unidentified
You guys are the party of violence, and you're the party erasing women.
nancy mace
You don't respect us.
You're a bigot.
You're a misogynist.
You're a sexist.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
unidentified
I yield back.
owen shroyer
What is a woman?
unidentified
I don't know how you want me to answer that.
owen shroyer
I'll tell you what, Tim.
Why don't you reach down your pants and find out?
You might be a woman, actually.
I don't know.
You might be missing something down there.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
owen shroyer
We're in a clown world.
You know, look, let me just say, because we're going through all kinds of ups and downs here.
Just say it.
unidentified
You know, just enjoy your life, folks.
owen shroyer
The world is insane, okay?
The world is completely insane.
Completely insane.
But you know what?
Most people are good people, okay?
Most opportunities you're going to get are good.
And just, you know, enjoy your life.
Have fun this weekend.
Get some sun, go to the pool with your family, have a barbecue, go to a ballgame, go to a restaurant.
The world is just crazy.
It's just an insane, psychotic world of politics.
unidentified
Just, this is where we're at.
This is where we're at.
owen shroyer
Nonstop wars and Democrats can't even define what a woman is.
unidentified
Wow.
owen shroyer
And then you got Eric Swalwell short-circuiting as well.
What can you do at home?
It's no King's Day this Saturday.
2,000 rallies across America.
Americans need to show up.
unidentified
Because if we don't show up, democracy dies.
owen shroyer
I'm not sure the connection between showing up at a protest and democracy.
Neither is he.
But all right, there you go.
Eric Swalwell promotes the riots or whatever's going on this weekend, so when it all gets violent, I wonder if anybody will be giving him a call.
You know?
I wonder if anybody will be giving him a call.
By the way, flashing back real quick, we'll go to the phone lines after.
2015, what did Bernie Sanders say about open borders in clip one?
unidentified
Open borders?
That's a Koch brothers proposal.
I mean, that's a right-wing proposal which says, essentially, there is no United States.
But it would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?
And it would make everybody in America poorer.
Then you're doing away with the concept of a nation-state.
And I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that.
If you believe in a nation-state, or in a country called the United States, or UK, or Denmark, or any other country, you have an obligation, in my view, to do everything we can to help.
Poor people.
What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy.
Bring in all kinds of people who work for two or three dollars an hour.
That would be great for them.
I don't believe in that.
I think we have to raise wages in this country.
I think we have to do everything that we can to create the millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment in the United States of America today?
If you're white, a white kid, high school graduate, 33 percent.
A Hispanic, 36 percent.
African-American, 51 percent.
You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers?
What do you think?
Maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids.
So I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty.
But you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer.
Wow.
owen shroyer
Bernie.
Well said.
Bernie Sanders for secure borders.
If you don't have borders, you don't have an Asian state.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
That's the guy that won two Democrat primaries, but they stole them.
From him.
You know?
And then opened the border.
Democrats did that.
All right.
I promised I'd get calls because I want to hear from the audience.
So don't take it personally if I cut you off.
I just want to hear from as many people as possible with what time we have remaining here before my next guest.
Let's go to Corey in Georgia.
Corey in Georgia, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
owen shroyer
Go ahead.
Yep, go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, I want to talk about the King Trump riots scheduled for tomorrow, and we have been invaded by at least 500,000, if not more.
CCP, Iranian, all over the world, they have sleeper cells set up, and it looks like this is the perfect storm for them to activate them.
What do you think?
owen shroyer
Completely agree.
I think that's a huge threat that we faced this weekend.
Now, the one thing I will say that I've learned in politics is whenever it seems like the perfect situation for something, that's when it doesn't happen.
And then the things end up happening when you least expect them.
But whether or not you have that sleeper cell attack or not, if these things result in riots and attack on law enforcement or any infrastructure, buildings, whatever, blocking traffic, then...
The House and the Senate are both going to deliver everything you need to go after the funders and the organizers.
The street police will do everything they can to deal with the street thugs, but are you finally going to do what needs to be done?
And get the FBI involved in that as well.
So to me, this is the final test for Bonnie.
I mean, I'm already done with her, but I don't see...
If she doesn't...
And by the way, if you are the Democrats, you should be begging people not to get violent at this deal.
But it's not going to happen.
There'll be violence, I'm sure.
And then it's going to be up to Pam Bondi about whether she wants to actually protect the country and do her job.
Thanks for the call, Corey.
Let's go to James in...
James, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, Owen.
Can you hear me?
owen shroyer
Go ahead.
unidentified
Oh.
Okay.
So, do you think it's possible that maybe the whole thing is just the charade and that since everything's controlled by central bankers, they just buy and sell politicians left and right?
That's why Pam Bondi will never do anything.
Bungino never does anything.
Everything just moves in one direction.
They slow it down.
they speed it up.
I mean, you guys really...
It's a charade.
You're under an illusion.
And it's sad to see informers, when informers went to the right, started pushing like a political candidate, it kind of killed the show because you should never be like promoting these motherfuckers.
You should be calling them out left, right, and center like every time.
owen shroyer
Are you insinuating I don't call out politicians?
unidentified
Although, no, that's why I call on your show, man.
Like, I remember the first time that Trump was on.
owen shroyer
Well, look, that's fine.
I'm here to talk about the stories of the day, Iran, Israel, and the protests this weekend.
So if you want to complain about Infowars and you don't like us anymore, then that's fine.
But you're obviously still tuning in, so we deliver some value.
But people don't want to hear that, so I'm going to go back to callers on the conflict.
Thank you for the call.
Let's go to Jake in Ohio.
Jake, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
jake in ohio
Yeah, I called my state rep and let him just unload it on the man.
Told him they're all scumbags.
I brought up all the money they've taken, you know, off of open secrets and stuff.
Dude, I even called.
I said, I'll bet you're even his APAC handler, ain't you?
And dude, it pissed him off so bad.
You could tell I got him.
It was so good.
owen shroyer
Well, that's where it hurts.
See, here's what's happening.
They're hearing more from people like you.
Their phone lines are lit up, their email box, their inbox is filled, everything.
And so the last caller says the charade, whatever, it's a charade.
Well, no, the charade is up in Congress.
The charade is up where, you know, all these different operations that are buying and selling our congressman, the charade is up and people are hearing from it.
A perfect example is, you know, nobody, the world doesn't really gravitate towards celebrity bullcrap anymore.
The world doesn't really gravitate towards sports.
Right.
jake in ohio
Hey, and I found Tim Wall's theme song, man.
Sorry, I gotta say this on air.
Tampon lollipops.
It's a crazy song, but it's funnier now.
owen shroyer
Tim Wall's theme song.
Well, if you attend the event in Minnesota, the No Kings event in Minnesota, Tim Wall's will be in the boys' bathroom handing out tampons.
I wouldn't suggest engaging, but he will gladly.
Okay, let's go to Derek in Michigan.
Derek, you're on the air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
owen shroyer
Go ahead, Derek.
unidentified
Yeah, how you doing?
I just think Trump and Bondi and the whole crew, Patel, all of them, they have some decisions to make.
Hopefully this weekend doesn't go bad, but I think a lot of the voters wanted a no-war president.
Well, now we're in two wars unofficially.
Gas is still going up.
I mean, it just seems more of the same old, same old.
And I hope it doesn't turn out that way or 2026 in the midterms are going to be pretty brutal.
owen shroyer
Well, here's what's so wild about it, too.
And I did some really deep thought on this earlier today.
I shot a video on X. But I'm thinking, how much of this Israel-Iran situation could affect the larger geopolitical picture?
I mean, you've got India-Pakistan.
You've got Russia-Ukraine.
You've got the trade negotiations with China.
China gets a lot of its oil from Iran, so there's a vested interest there.
And I'm thinking, how much does this really rattle the cage and start to draw lines all over the planet that then you start to kind of look at a map and say, what happens if there is a World War III situation?
Which I do hope we can avoid, obviously.
I don't think Trump wants that.
But you have to wonder what the ramifications in the larger picture are between what Israel just did last night.
And I hope it doesn't get there.
But if you're Trump and you just had these negotiations with China, you almost inked the deal.
Well, how do you think China's going to feel that your little friend in the Middle East, Israel, is bombing Iran who provides them with oil?
I don't think that goes very well.
So I feel like there are larger ramifications.
But maybe the world just realizes, whatever, these countries are going to fight forever.
They all hate each other.
They'll be bombing and killing each other forever.
So we're just not going to respond to that.
We're just going to go on with our business.
That seems to be how it normally is.
But yeah, you do wonder what the larger ramifications might be.
unidentified
Yeah, and if you listened earlier to the guy Daniel that Alex spoke to, I forgot his last name, but totally 100% spot on.
I mean, this is biblical proportions of...
And I pray that it doesn't.
But there's some really big decisions that need to be made, and I hope they make them sooner than later.
owen shroyer
All right, Derek.
Thank you for the call.
Let's go to Sean in California.
Sean, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Greetings, Owen.
Long time no call, but good to hear from you again.
And I'm kind of in alignment with you guys' analysis.
We got a lot going on with Israel and with Iran shooting rockets at each other.
We got a lot going on with these protests.
I think this is going to be that back door that we'll get the big, beautiful bill passed, you know, discreetly.
Again, the look over here, not over there strategy.
And in terms of unpredictability, if the leftists want to fight the patriarchy, they might actually delay a day and instead of hitting the 14th, go with the 15th and hit Father's Day.
You know, it would fit with their sense of humor, if you follow.
owen shroyer
Well, I'm not sure they have a sense of humor or such awareness.
But, you know, speaking about the event this weekend, I think this is actually a good, if there's, I don't know, it's not necessarily an analogy, but it's like this is, it's like kind of the representation of it.
There's a word for it.
It's on the tip of my tongue.
I can't think about it.
But this, tomorrow is a big celebration.
It is Trump's birthday, but...
It's a big day.
They're spending $42 million on this event tomorrow.
It's supposed to be a big event, patriotic event, celebrating America, celebrating our military.
Something we should be excited about.
Are you excited about it right now?
unidentified
I'm very excited about it, Owen, but the thing is, these folks want to end the Great American Experiment because no empire, quote-unquote, has lasted past 250 years.
So it's up to we the people to get the information out like you guys do and to keep it on lock and keep our heads on a swivel.
owen shroyer
Well, that is a—but it's not—the number is like the average is like 250 years.
I didn't even think about that historical reference dealing with the bicentennial, but I suppose it's not completely irrelevant.
Well, you know, I'm not now.
unidentified
I'm not.
owen shroyer
I'm not excited about it.
I wish I was.
I wish I was excited for this and another.
It's like, hey, we're celebrating America's patriotism, America's independence, America's sovereignty, how great our military is.
But then here we are again, getting drug into another war in the Middle East.
More death, more destruction, more wars in our streets.
So maybe I'm alone in this.
I don't know.
I'm not that excited anymore.
Now I'm like, whatever.
You do your thing.
I'm living my life.
I can't get excited for this anymore.
Not if we're just going to be in constant wars all over.
Sean, thanks for the call.
Let's go to Willie in California.
Willie, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
willie in california
Hey, Owen.
Yeah, I really think last night it was really well done by Marco Rubio.
I don't always agree with him.
But his statement last night was so simple.
And it was politically strategic.
He said that the attack was a unilateral attack by Israel.
And then this morning, Trump puts out a truth, basically saying he supports the strike by giving Iran a 60-day ultimatum and how they refused to comply.
But there were still talks scheduled for Friday, today, and or Sunday proving that maybe he didn't know.
But obviously Netanyahu did.
owen shroyer
Well, they knew.
Well, let's be clear about something.
They obviously knew.
Everybody knew.
I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised if Iran knew.
Everybody knew.
Qatar knew.
Trump knew.
Israel knew.
I mean, why do you think Trump was pulling our people?
He was pulling our diplomats.
He was pulling our people out of the region.
Everybody knew.
Iran knew.
Everybody knew.
willie in california
Yeah, but it was more the reason.
I don't know.
I thought it was very well put by Rubio, very simple, very politically strategic.
It was a unilateral strike, and that was simple.
I just think Trump kind of blew it.
owen shroyer
Well, I don't know if you could say he blew it, but I get where you're coming from.
I get the direction you're heading.
You could have just let Rubio's statement stand.
And then he made a phone call early this morning to Fox News.
He did a post late last night.
And yeah, at least for the optics of it, try to remain as separated from this attack as possible.
And now it's like, well, okay, maybe we weren't so separated from it.
It's not good.
It's not what we voted for.
It's not make America great again.
It's not peace.
It's really unfortunate.
And it's the same old story.
Same old people.
Let's go to Susan in Utah.
Susan, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hi, Owen.
Thanks so much for taking my call.
I just real quick wanted to check with you.
You may already be aware of this, but I recently heard Mark Levin state that Pam Bondi used to work with his wife, whether they were part of the same firm or not, but she's worked closely with Mark Levin's wife.
And on the radio, he stated very emphatically that she is a close friend of the couple, and he highly regarded her.
and her work.
I just, that to me as you're all talking about with Bondi and so forth, it just, I don't know, my spidey senses Well, I don't know if I've seen any evidence that she's compromised.
owen shroyer
Mark Levin loves to puff himself up and make himself part of the story.
He just can't help himself.
So as far as what relationship?
His wife had with Bondi.
Who knows?
Who knows how serious that really is?
Could just be him riding himself into relevancy.
And then, as far as Bondi being compromised, I've not seen any evidence she's compromised, so that's not really a story I'm going with.
But I've seen plenty of evidence that she's incompetent.
I've seen plenty of evidence that she's not doing what needs to be done.
And I've seen evidence that she's a liar.
So, that's all the evidence I need.
As far as Levin, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
So, but I know what he's all about.
unidentified
All right, a couple more phone calls here before we are joined.
owen shroyer
You're not going to want to miss this by Thomas Rousseau from the Patriot Front.
So, a lot of interesting things to talk about with him.
And we will be asking him some hard questions.
I'm sure he's more than willing to answer them in his own defense.
And then we'll talk about some of the latest breaking news.
So looking forward to that coming up.
And we're going to dispel the rumor that we are the same person.
Okay?
A lot of rumors out there circulating.
So we're going to put that to rest after this interview.
Of course, they'll probably still believe this nonsense.
Let's go to a couple more callers here, though, before we do that.
Let's go to Mike in Georgia.
Mike in Georgia, you're on the air.
mike in georgia
Okay, the war, our problem with Islam is twofold.
Islam and the U.S. way of life is incompatible.
So when we talk about Israel, the state of Israel currently is very young, 1948.
It really has nothing to do with a religious war between Islam and Judaism.
In fact, the Jews fought each other back in ancient Israel.
That's really out of the picture.
We have been fighting Islam since Thomas Jefferson was president.
You mentioned him earlier about staying out of foreign entanglements.
In fact, when he was Secretary of State, we were negotiating with the Barbary Pirates, or not the Barbary Pirates, Barbary Coast Wars.
There were two of them, and he was president during one.
James Madison was president during the other.
owen shroyer
And it had to do Yeah, in the Barbary Coast, that's correct.
unidentified
Algiers, Tunisia, that area.
mike in georgia
So what it was is they wanted us to pay tribute to trade in those countries.
The Islam-run governments there wanted tribute from the United States.
Thomas Jefferson, who was negotiating a treaty when he was Secretary of State, said, well, the American people are not going to want to pay that, but we can go to war.
We need to build the Navy.
We need to go to war.
I mean, ten years after the country was founded.
The American system of government and our country is based on two things, religious liberty and commerce.
If you disrupt commerce, you're going to have a problem.
It's like doing a protest and you're blocking the street.
Those cops, they work for the city.
The city is incorporated.
They work for the corporation.
owen shroyer
I've got to take another call.
I said I'd do two minutes max.
I'm sorry, Mike.
I'll respond quickly and then take one more.
You know, here's the problem.
It's like somehow there's this false binary of either you support Israel or you support Iran or you support Jews or you support Muslims.
How about pass?
How about I pass?
How about I support America?
Okay?
When do we have that conversation?
And I'm not saying that's what Mike was doing, but it's just like that's this false binary I see everywhere.
It's like, oh, pick a side.
Well, what do you mean?
Where's the American side?
Hey, let's just have America.
Where's that side?
How about we don't want anything to do with any of them?
How about that?
Where's that argument?
Falls on deaf ears, apparently, in this government.
All right, quickly, let's go to Mr. Rope in Colorado.
Interesting name.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Thank you for taking my call, Mr. Cuck Destroyer.
I think there's two answers to all of our problems.
The first is instead of going and involving ourselves in any of this Israel nonsense, any of this Ukraine nonsense, we have a terroristic government that is run by cartels south of our border that is killing over 100,000 Americans every year.
That is performing genocide on their own people.
owen shroyer
I'm sorry.
I'm out of time here, and I wish I could have gotten to your second point because it's funny.
Maybe we'll do it some other day, but you're absolutely right.
And that's what I'm saying.
It's like, yeah, our military doesn't belong in the Middle East or all over the world.
We've got problems, our neighboring country, Mexico.
We've got dirty communists in our other neighbor, Canada.
You go to downtown in most metropolitan areas, people are getting shot every night.
That's where our problems are, not on the other side of the planet.
unidentified
*music*
owen shroyer
Joining me now, the leader of the Patriot Front, Thomas Rousseau.
And we're going to ask him some of the hard questions that I'm sure he gets asked all the time.
And I assume he'll have no problem defending himself here.
And then we will get into some of the current events and the current issues of the day as well.
So Thomas Rousseau joins me.
Let's just get one thing out of the way.
I don't know if you've seen this.
People think we're the same person.
People also think that I'm Jacob Chansley.
People in the past used to think I was some guy named Andrew Anglin.
So we're putting all these rumors to bed.
You are your own person.
You are Thomas Rousseau.
And so now we can all move on from that.
So Thomas, let me get to the questions that I'm sure you've asked and answered before.
And people can decide whether they take you at face value or not.
But obviously you get accused of being a Fed all of the time.
What is your response to these accusations?
thomas rousseau
Of course, and we do get that accusation very frequently.
I think it is overall an argument of convenience for a lot of people because it allows them to dodge our beliefs, our more controversial opinions as an organization and as individuals about race and nationality or maybe some of our, what I consider, correct interpretations of American history.
But we're not feds, and I think the most appropriate explanation of why that isn't true is the motive.
That if we were federal agents, if this was a ploy, if this was a plot, there would be a motive to hurt people, a motive to either hurt people adhering to the organization by entrapping them in criminal plots, which has never happened in the seven going on eight years of the organization's history, or the motive would be to make people look bad, but we're incredibly patriotic, we're disciplined, we're peaceful, we're in great shape, even too great of shape, if you ask Joe Rogan, so that doesn't make any sense either.
There's so many ways that the federal, the whole, the accusation, it falls flat.
As long as you slice into it, I think a lot of it is a knee-jerk reaction.
And it's good for people.
I need to say it's good for people to be suspicious of the government.
The government does a lot of things we shouldn't trust them.
And people should be skeptical of what they see on the news.
they should be skeptical of what they see on social media.
But I think it is important to be...
somewhat open-minded that there are good men out there working as an organization, as a group.
I do think it is important that we as a people are able to organize cohesively and together because there's only so far I believe we can solve a lot of our problems as a nation without actually organizing, without creating systems and institutions where people will necessarily work together with a hierarchy, with rules, with the expectation.
It's a knee-jerk reaction.
owen shroyer
Well, one thing I've learned in politics as well is whenever somebody is trying to dodge a conversation or avoid a healthy, robust debate, Then they're either not serious people, they're cowards, they're frauds, or they're just in it for themselves.
I mean, I was able to make the connection with your group and get you on air here in less than a week, so there was no hesitation there.
I don't even know if...
I said, well, I'm going to ask him hard questions.
It's not going to be a gotcha thing, but he can defend himself.
I assumed you'd have no problem doing that.
And we'll get into a couple more of these things before we get into the issues.
But not only have you not ever entrapped anybody, because obviously that would be the concern, right?
Just like they did in Michigan with the Governor Whitmer case.
But you also, your group was sued in a situation.
thomas rousseau
And the substance of the lawsuit was essentially an incredibly fanciful idea that I personally conspired to bring hundreds of men into Boston.
And we marched through all of Boston, Independence Day weekend, miles through the city.
We probably passed thousands of people until somehow it was my whole plan to attack a random black guy.
And in spite of passing hundreds of black people before that, I picked this random guy right before we were supposed to get on the train.
And I convinced him with my mind powers to cross the street in front of us and then attack our members.
And then when he was pushed away from the people he was assaulted,
And protect themselves without actually having to touch the assailant, without having to directly engage with them.
You know, we're happy to let that guy wail on a piece of sheet metal or polycarbonate as long as he wants.
That's why we have a shield.
And I'm sure, you know, y 'all at Infowars are very familiar with the kangaroo of civil courts.
owen shroyer
Oh, yes.
All too familiar.
And folks, you can go watch the video.
The description that he's giving here is not inaccurate.
The guy literally goes up and attacks his group.
And then they get sued for it.
That is just undeniable from the video footage.
Now, I've watched your stuff.
I've listened to some of the deliveries you've had at some of your events.
You're obviously a smart guy.
You're obviously very well-researched, and you're a great public speaker.
So certainly you can understand the optics of your group having a negative reception.
Certainly you can understand why people would be skeptical when you guys are in uniform and covering your faces and walking around with shields.
Certainly you understand that.
So why do you decide to still engage in that even though you know it hurts your reputation?
unidentified
Well, we're...
thomas rousseau
We're political radicals, and I have radical beliefs, and we are on the fringe of what's accepted political speech.
And I think it's important that somebody is there, and I think it's important that we go out there and use every single inch of our First Amendment, every single inch of our rights of free speech and assembly, because I'm a firm believer that any percentage of your rights that you do not exercise and you leave absent, the government will then take from you.
And the masks are a great example.
Why are we anonymous?
Well, because of the radical left, because of the entities in government that we do not trust, you know, whether it's local police departments or the FBI or whoever else is surveilling you, and it could be any number of them.
We don't trust the government and we don't trust the radical left.
We don't trust the social media companies and what they're going to do with the algorithms.
And we don't trust those times when people are doxxed or harassed, when people are sent to the homes of members, when their bosses are harassed in order to fire them.
It is incredibly important that we protect the identities of our membership because that's information that our opponents don't deserve.
Sure, I understand.
That it would be easier for a lot of people to trust the organization or easier for the organization to, I should say, be more relatable if we were unmasked, if we were perhaps not in uniform.
But that would carry with it a strong cost that I do not believe works into the equation that we have built up with these mass demonstrations.
and with the mass demonstrations, with the marches, it is supposed to look like a spectacle.
It is supposed to look...
It's supposed to look like not the ordinary day in Kansas City or Boston or Chicago or Washington.
We are very recognizable.
The uniforms help everybody look.
Identifiable.
They look recognizable.
And it's immediately certain when you look at the march that that's Patriot Fund.
And these images are striking.
It's meant to go viral.
The marches are not meant to accomplish a political end in and of themselves immediately.
They're meant to circumnavigate a lot of censorship we receive.
I can't have an account on Twitter.
I can't put out our videos on TikTok.
We can't do anything.
We even got banned from Rumble.
So it's incredibly hard for us to use the conventional social media platforms to get our message across.
So something that we do is we create these public spectacles that are guaranteed to go viral.
We get tens of millions of views.
Hundreds, even thousands of people interested in the organization afterwards, and then we put them through a very robust vetting process to make sure that the people that are coming into the organization are doing so with the right intentions, that they're doing so in a manner that's going to allow them to safely contribute.
But will people be shocked by it?
unidentified
Sure.
thomas rousseau
But I think it's important for people to realize that the landscape in America is opening up.
And I think now is a great example of showing that our marches may look outlandish.
It may look unusual.
Where are the burning cars?
Where are the looted shops?
Where are the people that are being hit over the head with bike locks?
Where are the police being attacked?
Where are the cinder blocks being thrown over bridges?
We have never done anything like that.
And I think it's important to realize that the actual substance and the content of our message indeed is what defines us.
owen shroyer
Well, and I would defend your right to be back on these platforms.
I don't think that you deserve that censorship.
And I guess I would maybe say it like this, because I've listened to a lot of your speeches.
I don't even think it's fair to say that your speech is detestable.
There might be things people disagree with, vehemently disagree with, but I don't even think you could argue that your speech is detestable.
Maybe they argue that your appearance when you're dealing with your uniforms and stuff, maybe they argue that's detestable.
And I would say, too, because people get caught into this trap that, you know, everything's a Fed or everything's rigged, nothing can be real.
I mean, the censorship thing is kind of the total proof that I would say you're not if the lawsuit isn't.
But then they say, oh, no, they just do that to convince you.
And it's like, well, okay, if you're just stuck in this trap that nothing is real, then what are you even doing?
Just give up at that point, right?
And so that's just kind of a different philosophy.
But what is the excuse?
Why can't you be on these platforms?
thomas rousseau
That would be a great example.
We have people trying to put our content out on all of these platforms, and we do.
We do have our content on these platforms, but it is in a guerrilla style.
We have to constantly be making new accounts, which are then constantly deleted.
And we did have an official Patriot Front channel on Rumble, which had our official videos.
And again, you're exactly right about the actual message of this.
We don't use profanity.
We don't use slurs or epithets.
We're not calling for violence.
There's nothing in there that should be objective, objectionable in any way from a legal basis or even from an actual like content profanity basis.
It's, it's purely, it's, it must be purely ideological on behalf of these social media companies.
Elon Musk personally has called us feds on at least two occasions and I feel like he probably is high enough up the ladder to know better, because I feel like he would have uncovered that probably during his investigations.
Or Kash Patel.
They said, okay, Kash Patel is going to disband Patriot Front as soon as he gets into office, and absolutely nothing.
In fact, we just did our largest march ever in Kansas City.
After all of the new FBI, Bongino has had plenty of time to look into anything.
And again, we've been arrested.
We've been sued.
We've been slandered by the media.
Our members have been doxed.
Plenty have been identified.
owen shroyer
They've poured through your private property.
I mean, it all came out.
Would you ever...
So obviously you're conscious of this stuff.
You make these decisions.
Would you ever consider changing your tact if you thought the message could be consumed or more palatable?
Would you ever consider that?
thomas rousseau
I think...
So everything we do in terms of our actions, in terms of the execution of these matters, is ultimately to attain the higher ideal of what we believe.
If our tactics are flexible in a lot of ways, exactly how we do things, how we present ourselves, that is open to change.
The matter is that just needs to be weighed against the risk.
It needs to be weighed against the changes in the political landscape.
And I think it's also very possible that, you know, if we are open to change in these matters, if we are open to be more presentable, and well, we are extremely presentable, but we have a more public face and the organization has increasingly
And I think there's a sort of meeting in the middle that can happen between the audience, between a lot of the people who are patriotic, who do love America and are very aware of the substantial issues with immigration, with race, with the Zionist lobby in America.
I think there is a meeting in the middle that can happen as they become more familiar with ideas, which may seem Now, you've had a lot of people accuse you of being fed.
owen shroyer
You said even Elon Musk.
I'm just curious, have you ever considered lawsuits to fight back against that, claiming it's defamation or libel?
unidentified
Right.
thomas rousseau
You know, so Musk, Rogan, and, you know, I respect very much, but even Alex Jones has said that we were feds at certain times.
I wouldn't want to sue those people.
Ultimately, it is their opinion, and I do think it would fall under their free speech.
And I don't know if you could say for certain that they've done it maliciously and they've done it with the foreknowledge that we are not engaged in.
And I don't want to try to harm these people.
I mean, I have obvious political disagreements with Musk and Rogan, and I probably disagree on Jones with a number of things too, but I do not want to be an offensive party in civil litigation because I'm familiar with how agreed.
I think it would be entirely reductive.
And we get so much slander.
If we were to really quantify what is slandered in the organization, you know, the kinds of things that are said maliciously against us, it would be absolutely astronomical.
And not all the lawsuits in the world could deal with that.
And I mean, the whole political landscape is a constant maelstrom of...
But I do not want to engage in that.
I think the best thing that we can do We stay out of the drama.
I don't engage with a lot of those complaints in a legal sense.
But what we do is we show.
We show what we are.
We show our ideals or convictions.
You know, we get out there and we do charitable works.
We do community building.
We do family events.
We do book clubs.
We do community work days.
We do all of these things to show the world who and what we are.
And this isn't just for the public to view what we do.
This is also for our own members.
We have many, many members of the organization all around the country, and we are directly engaged with their lives.
We're directly engaged in a way that the audience of a show or the listeners of a certain news pundit are not able.
unidentified
Well, I've never even heard about any of that.
owen shroyer
So, I mean, take that for what it's worth.
I don't even know about the stuff that you do behind the scenes.
And I've got limited time here.
I want to give you a chance to comment on some of these current events.
I've got one more question.
So it's kind of the alternative media that accuses you of being a Fed.
You deny that.
The mainstream media labels you as a white supremacist.
Is that accurate?
thomas rousseau
I think white supremacist is a slur, and usually when they're using the word white supremacist with a phrase, they want you to get involved in a disavowal game.
They want me to run away from the word and say, oh, no, no, I have black friends.
No, I actually think that everybody is equal always and forever.
I don't play into that game.
So do I believe that the races are placed into a totem pole hierarchy?
No, I don't think that's productive.
I think there are differences in race.
There are differences that are innate and natural in races.
I think there are black people and there are white people and there are Asian people and so on.
And these are just realities of the world.
And there are realities of human nature.
And I do think race does carry effects in how civilizations, culture, and even individuals may behave.
It is a biological reality.
Does that mean that we want to go out there and hurt people?
Does that mean that we want to have these outcomes?
outlandish and nightmarish depictions that they want to put on us?
No, absolutely not.
But if anybody is seriously denying that race A exists and B has influences on society, I think that is a less tenable position.
And just one final thing, when you mentioned that you hadn't heard of all the other things that the organization does, and that's true, and that's because in a lot of ways we are censored, and it is difficult to get the message out, and we do it as much as we can, and we're growing.
By the day, in terms of viewership and supporters, but the marches are how we try to get around.
The marches are, you know, you've seen the marches, and a lot of people have, but they haven't seen whatever else we do.
So the marches are an entry point for a lot of people to then view all of the other works we do, and that's something which is very important about them.
owen shroyer
All right.
I'd ask you a couple more questions, but I do want to give you the opportunity to comment on some of the recent developments here.
And, you know, it is rare.
It's funny.
I rarely talk to somebody more censored than me, but here you are.
So, okay, the big stories of the day.
We've got the Israeli-Iran conflict.
We've got these big no-kings protests coming up this weekend.
What's your take on all these developments?
thomas rousseau
So obviously with the war between Israel and all of their neighbors, they can never seem to get along.
I think it's important that Americans, and I think support for Israel is less than it has ever been perhaps since the creation of the state of Israel.
I think it's important that Americans continue to turn their back on this very malicious, uh, very perfidious, uh, element, not only in the middle East, but in America, I think the Zionist lobby, um, And there's a lot of people, they say that the definition of anti-Semitism, they try to put it into Congress, they try to put it into legislatures, but the definition of anti-Semitism is accusing a Jewish person of having split loyalties between Israel and the United States.
But what does that make?
Ben Shapiro, what does that make Mark Levin?
I think it's incredibly obvious that some of those definitions of anti-Semitism are just examples of the truth.
I think we need to be very open and honest about what these people are, where they're placing their interests, and what our role as Americans is in this.
It needs to be extracted from America, like poisoned from a wound.
With the protests, with all the Mexicans getting very egregious, and then the white liberals are attaching themselves onto the Mexican nationalists, especially in California, I think it's important to realize that Mexico has never had a functioning civilization.
Mexico has had like two dozen coups, rebellions, wars, insurgencies, civil wars, all of it combined.
They have never had a peace and tranquility.
They have never had the domestic tranquility that our founding fathers protected for us as Americans and outlined in our systems of government and our culture.
These people cannot become Americans.
Even a lot of them, I'm sure a lot of the people, a lot of the Mexicans that are protesting are citizens.
But I think it's important moving into the future as we continue to adapt and refine our process of immigration and the legislation that we also come to a greater understanding of our national identity.
You can be a citizen of the United States and still not be American.
If these riots do not make that evident enough, I think it's very important that we come to that conclusion.
There are probably second, third, even fourth generation Mexicans that are burning down American cities because they still have a greater loyalty to Mexico.
So I think that's important to realize that we cannot come to any kind of cultural harmony so long as we're importing all the world's problems, all the wars in the world, whether it's India v.
Pakistan, Israel versus Iran, or Mexicans versus Americans.
We're importing all of these world conflicts so that they can be fought out on our own That is what is happening through mass immigration.
And that is exactly what will continue to happen unless these people are taken out of the country.
And I think with all the protests you have, I think these protests are...
It depends on exactly what and exactly where.
A lot of them will probably be uneventful to allow, you know, the liberals to signal of how virtuous they are to each other and how they can pat each other on the back.
Some of them will undoubtedly turn violent.
I do think there is a lot of orchestration.
As somebody who does organize protests, as somebody who does know what goes into these things, there is a lot of infrastructure.
It takes a lot of legwork and it takes a lot of people filling a lot of administrative and logistical roles to make this kind of thing happen.
And if there is a I mean, I was sued for millions of dollars because a black man hurt his fingy, you know, hurt his little pinky punching on our shields.
So how much damage is, if a finger is worth $3 million, then how much is the city worth?
How much is a cop car worth?
How much is somebody's life worth?
So the idea that these people are beyond reproach in criminal, let alone civil law, is fundamentally ridiculous.
And like you've been saying with Pam Bondi, the government has a lack of willpower.
And I think there needs to be a larger cultural footing among patriots and among nationalists to hold these people accountable.
Because there comes so far when all of these things that are happening in our country that are tearing it apart become the responsibility of those who had the power to stop them and stood out.
owen shroyer
And there's no doubt Americans are getting fed up with it all, obviously yourself included.
Thomas Rousseau, thank you for your time answering the tough questions and digging into the current events.
unidentified
All right, now in studio, she had a long day.
owen shroyer
We won't get into all the hoops you had to jump through to be here.
Of course, you were here yesterday with Alex, too.
You're here with me today.
The new book from Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, Zero Accountability in a Failed System, How Big Pharma Weaponizes Vaccines, Public Health, and the Law.
You know, there's a couple current events, and I'm sure you can tie all of this into your book.
There's a couple current events that have happened this week alone that...
It's coming out of RFK Jr. and some of Congress now, too.
And that is the ridiculousness of the vaccine schedule.
And RFK Jr. was talking about a child will take anywhere between 69 and 92 vaccines just to stay in school.
And so when you think about the amount of actual fluid that is, it's actually kind of mind-blowing to think about it like that.
And then another thing was...
And so talk about these two things, the forced vaccines to get you to go to school, big pharma ad buys on television, and how it all ties into the story that you tell in the book.
dr sherri tenpenny
Well, the...
And actually, for sure, it's 28 vaccines by the time they're one year of age.
owen shroyer
I think he was referencing through the entire public school system.
So not just to get into it.
I mean, like, through kindergarten and eighth grade, high school, college.
I think he was saying the entire process.
dr sherri tenpenny
The entire process.
Well, it does give you almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum if you get the whole schedule.
owen shroyer
That's got to be considered poisonous.
dr sherri tenpenny
It absolutely is.
In fact, I decided about maybe four months ago, I wasn't going to talk about the pediatric schedule anymore.
I was going to call it the pediatric poisoning schedule anymore because that's what it is.
And parents are forced to poison their kids with all these doses of vaccines to get them to go to school or to even get them to, according to the pediatrician, to get them up to date on their shots.
So that started, oh.
200 years ago, Owen, you know, these vaccine laws were written mostly in the 1800s and the early 1900s.
That isn't anything new.
What is new is that they started taking away people's rights to refuse.
owen shroyer
Did they always have all the aluminum in them?
dr sherri tenpenny
Well, remember, up until 1985, there were only three vaccines, MMR, DPT, and polio, up to 1985.
And then when they passed the 1986 National Vaccine Childhood Injury Compensation Act, which protected the pharmaceutical industry.
In 1986, it was in 1991 when they started the sharp ramp-up of adding all these different vaccines in the schedule.
So when we started this with having that protection, it was three shots, and now it's 16 or 17 shots whether or not you're going to include the COVID jab or not.
So it's, you know, they still have the protection.
They've had that all of these different years.
The vaccine exemption laws, I know I'm in Ohio.
In the state of Ohio, the vaccine exemption laws were written in the 1800s.
You know, so it's in the late 1800s, early 1900s for the smallpox vaccine because they stopped routinely giving smallpox in 1972.
So up until that point, all along the way, they were always saying whether or not people could avoid getting the smallpox vaccine.
And that was just rolled over into the vaccine schedule the way it is today.
owen shroyer
One thing that I've noticed, and it's natural, it's human instinct.
Whenever you talk about really controversial subjects that everybody has basically had to go through, like a vaccine, right?
Most people have probably gotten multiple vaccines.
Well, when you try to tell them, you basically just got shot up with a poison.
At best, with a flu shot, you just got an expired vaccine at best.
Not to mention whatever else it might do to you.
Is the purpose of writing a book like this to try to ease that discomfort, right?
Because a lot of people, they have a visceral response.
They don't want to hear that they've been poisoned.
There's no way.
They're smarter than that.
Is part of the reason why you put it all into a book like this to kind of ease that stress and say, hey, look, here's the information.
Consume it when you're ready.
But this is the reality that you're dealing with.
dr sherri tenpenny
Maybe, sort of.
I mean, it really was, I mean, it took me about maybe 18 months to write the book, but it's really 25 years of research.
It's what I've been doing for the last 25 years.
And it started with bird flu when it kicked up back in the summer of 2023.
I had written a book in 2005 called Fowl, spelled F-O-W-L.
Fowl, bird flu, it's not what you think.
And it's been out of print for a while because it was written in 2005.
And my staff found the book and said, this is really good.
Why don't you just put a different cover page on it, re-release it.
And I started looking through it and it was written in 2005.
I said, well, a lot has happened.
owen shroyer
So much has happened.
I mean, the one thing that happened, obviously the COVID injections, that changed.
dr sherri tenpenny
Everything.
owen shroyer
That changed everything, yeah.
dr sherri tenpenny
So as I said, there's a lot that's happened in the last 25 years in terms of the number of vaccines, how they're made, all of the things with the PrEP Act and all of the things that the weaponization of our healthcare system, all these different things happen.
And so I thought, well, I need to update this and rewrite it.
So it's really not written to give parents comfort.
It's really written from a standpoint of this is what's in the vaccines.
This is how they weaponized the health care system starting with Medicare in 1963, the electronic medical records when they rolled into place, the Healthy People program that started in 1980.
That's a lot of things that we in the health freedom movement don't really talk about.
And you really need to see what it is.
You know, if anybody's followed any of my work or read any of the things I've written in the last 20 years, they know that I really like to start with history.
You know, if you know where you came from and you learn the lessons of history, you're not...
So I make a pretty good case of showing people where we were, where we are now, and how they've used each one of these pandemics from 1976 to 2005 to 2009.
Each one of them that they rolled out along the way was a market test.
They wanted to see how far they could push us.
And even with COVID, it was a market test to see how far they could push us.
And now they sit back and they crunch the data for a couple of years and try to figure out.
What worked and what didn't work.
owen shroyer
Do you think that was the same case with the Spanish flu?
dr sherri tenpenny
No, the Spanish flu was a whole different ballgame.
It really was not really even a flu.
It was probably a chemical contamination from mustard gas.
It probably wasn't even anything to do with a virus at that point in time.
owen shroyer
Well, the reason why I go into this is because you talk about history, and I think a lot of us tend to separate.
What we experience, what we go through from history, instead of recognizing, well, wait a second, maybe this isn't the first time we've been through something like this, right?
Like, what you're saying is, hey, all the propaganda and all that stuff you saw with the COVID vaccines, this isn't the first time we've been through this.
It might have been the most extreme example, but it's not the first time we've gone through it.
And so I go back and I look at some of this stuff now, I'm thinking, well, if they lied to us here, maybe they lied to us here.
And so I review some of this Spanish flu stuff.
Even the polio vaccine, and you've got to really go down the rabbit hole, but even with the polio vaccine, because people talk about how successful it was, well, even then they were basically representing polio kind of like they did with COVID.
It was a huge fear campaign.
They made sure that you saw somebody's mangled leg or a little girl in a walking thing, and it's like, oh my gosh, everybody that gets polio gives this.
And it turns out that wasn't the truth.
It was a lot like the COVID propaganda.
They made sure you thought it was the worst case, you're going to die, when really most people didn't even know that they had it.
dr sherri tenpenny
Right.
I mean, the real death rate, in retrospect, when they looked at COVID, was 0.2%.
But then when you look at all the people that have been maimed and damaged from the jab, a little over 1.6 million people filed a VAERS report of injury, and it was the wrong place to file it.
They should have filed it with the covered countermeasure injury compensation program.
Instead, they filed it with VAERS because that's what they knew.
And so they filed it over there, which was the wrong place.
And I talk about that in the book.
It's sort of like going into the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and trying to buy a plane ticket.
You know, they both have to do with travel, but they can't sell you a plane ticket because that's not what they do.
Well, the injury compensation program You need to go over and file it with the CICP.
Now, the problem with that is that since the CICP was formed, there have only been about 13,000 people that have filed claims in there that went back to smallpox back in 2001 when they tried to vaccinate.
Remember, they tried to vaccinate the whole country again after 9-11 with the smallpox vaccine?
And then there was a couple of other things along the way.
Well, there have been very few people that have actually filed for injury compensation.
owen shroyer
Well, did those numbers go up like the VAERS numbers went up?
I'm sure you saw the VAERS charts.
dr sherri tenpenny
No, they didn't go up at the CICP.
There was very few people that filed over there, like 13,000 as opposed to 1.6 million.
And then the people that actually filed with the CICP, to date, there's only been 40, 4-0, 40 cases that have been adjudicated.
Now, there were two people that got a fairly high compensation, and if you take out those two amounts as outliers and you average the other 38 people, their compensation that they got for their severe, horrible injuries, their neurological complications, all the things that happened, the average payout's been $4,000.
owen shroyer
Is there a time limit to your charge?
dr sherri tenpenny
One year.
owen shroyer
So you're done, pretty much.
dr sherri tenpenny
Most of the people that are, the government has thrown them completely underneath the bus.
owen shroyer
What if you went and took another one?
Could you, now you're back into the...
Exactly.
Exactly.
You know, another thing I'm curious about, and I don't know if you have any experience about this, but I'd ask you anyway.
You know, I wonder what kind of long-term ramifications are we looking at dealing with the COVID injection?
Because now they admit it.
Now they admit it.
Okay, it was gene therapy.
Yeah, okay, it was experimental.
I mean, they don't even hide it now.
And obviously all of the side effects too with the heart problems and the blood clots.
Guillain-Barre so much more neurological problems.
dr sherri tenpenny
The neurological problems, the renal failure, the infertility, all the things that are coming.
owen shroyer
Do you know, or is it even too early to say, can we start to examine not just people that got the vaccines versus people that didn't, the COVID shot?
What about if you have two parents that...
Do we know if there's anything that goes down into the children?
dr sherri tenpenny
They've already seen a lot of birth defects, particularly that are cardiac-related.
They've already seen kids born with heart disease.
I've seen a child that was born that the mother was not COVID-vaccinated, but the father was.
He was born with bilateral club feet and webbed fingers and no toes.
owen shroyer
Webbed?
dr sherri tenpenny
Is that normal?
Well, it's not normal.
It does happen.
I've never even heard of that, but that can't, Well, it's when you're in utero, when you go through the developmental phases, when you're early on, like maybe three months, all of us have webbed fingers.
And then as we get closer to birth, those webbings generally...
owen shroyer
So I guess it's just like, you know, this area in between.
dr sherri tenpenny
Yeah, there's...
It's just part of growing that you lose that.
Well, this person, this little child did not.
Had bilateral club feet and no toes.
And there's a lot of cardiac disease.
And one of the problems with that is now that Moderna has given all these vaccines that are led to myocarditis and pericarditis, now they're developing a drug to treat myocarditis and pericarditis.
owen shroyer
Isn't that amazing?
Cause the problem, offer the solution.
dr sherri tenpenny
There are a lot of kids that died.
There's case reports of children that died because their mom got the COVID vaccine and then the children died from the COVID.
A jab going into them when they were breastfeeding.
So it's a long-term problem.
It's not going to go away anytime soon.
owen shroyer
Well, and I look at, you know, you look at the work that RFK Jr. is doing, and we can talk about some of these issues, but remove a personality or a single issue from it.
And I think that this is what RFK Jr. is trying to hammer on.
So now it becomes a method of how effective is your communication.
America is a severely sick nation.
It is just undeniable how sick our people are, and it shouldn't be that way.
And so what they're saying is there's something inorganic happening here, and Trump talks about it too.
There's something going on that's causing all of these issues, right?
The chronic disease, the sudden infant death syndrome.
It shouldn't even exist.
It's never even heard of it before.
There's something in our environment that is not organic that's causing all of this.
And I don't know if you can point to vaccines for everything.
But certainly, at some point, our civilization, I think, is going to look at all these injections that we've been, in many cases, forced to take.
And we're going to say, wow, they really made us sick.
dr sherri tenpenny
You know, Owen, right when RFK got nominated, before he even got confirmed, That's great.
They should have never been in our food in the first place.
So it's good to have that gone out of there.
It's good to change some of the, to try to move forward on some of the pesticide removals.
But if we suddenly took all of America and dropped us into the Garden of Eden, Into the most pristine food, the most pristine water, soil, air, everything that could possibly that God just created for us.
And there was no contaminants in our food, in our water, in our air, in our soil, any of those things.
And it wouldn't matter.
It wouldn't matter a squat as long as we're going to give children 28 doses of poison by the time they're one year of age.
It's not, you know, when the whole issue is to make children healthy again, well, pregnant women get four shots when they're pregnant, five if they're also RH negative, and then babies get three shots as soon as they're born.
So that's seven exposures to poison before they've even taken their first, you know, almost after they've taken their first breath.
And so we've already damaged their immune system, their neurological system, their cardiovascular system, all of those different things.
We've already contaminated them.
We know that the kidneys don't develop until about two years of age to the point where they can get rid of all the extra aluminum that comes into the system.
And so we're poisoning these children.
At the same time, we're making a big deal out of cleaning up our food for the kids.
It really wouldn't matter.
It's like the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about.
owen shroyer
Just getting back to the food diet, too.
This shows how corrupt the whole system was.
I don't know what other conclusion you can reach other than they wanted us dead.
Why?
I'm serious.
I don't know what other conclusion can you reach.
Why would they have been putting these things in the food?
If I'm, you know, you got these new phenomenons.
You got, like, food trucks or people just set up a food shop on the side of the road downtown.
If you get caught putting a harmful ingredient in that, you're gone.
They're shutting your thing down.
You're getting sued.
You might end up in jail.
But somehow, all the big corporations got to put literal poison and carcinogens in food, and it was just normal.
dr sherri tenpenny
Yes, and there's a big difference between ingesting and injecting.
Now, ingesting those foods are bad enough, but what if you took it and you injected it into your body?
You know, Gary Matsumoto wrote a book, probably in the early 90s, called Vaccine A, and it was about the anthrax vaccine.
And there's a little sentence in there that I've never forgotten, when he said, you know, I can eat a hamburger, and that's fine.
But if I took that hamburger and I put it in my blender and ground it up and inject it into my arm, I probably wouldn't do so well the next day.
And that sort of gives you an example of the difference between ingesting and injecting.
You can ingest aluminum and it passes through.
If you inject aluminum, it stays in your bones.
60% of the aluminum that you get exposed to on a daily basis, either from food or vaccines or other things, 60% ends up in your bones.
And so it stores and it gets in there for a long period of time.
It causes chronic inflammation, which chronic inflammation is the core source of almost every disease.
owen shroyer
What do you recommend to people if they ask you?
Because they know, okay, my kid's about to go to school or I'm about to have a baby or even if it's something for work.
They know they're going to get pressure to take a vaccine.
They know it's coming.
There's intimidation tactics and everything else.
What is good advice for people to kind of deal with that?
dr sherri tenpenny
Well, I've said this a lot, particularly recently.
I've said, you know, when you get pregnant, God gives you two gifts.
The first gift is the fact that you've gotten pregnant, because with all of the infertility problems and things that are going on now, it's a real gift to be blessed with you.
Now you're going to become a parent.
The second gift is that you now have nine months to get educated.
About food, about breastfeeding, about vaccines.
Because the time that you are trying to decide whether or not to vaccinate your baby should not be when you go into labor.
And that's when they start to push you on all that stuff.
It's a big topic.
There's a lot to know.
I've been studying it for 25 years.
And I'm always learning something new because it just is a, I think that's what has kept me interested in it for so long is because there's always something new to learn.
But that's the, you know, for beginners, there's a lot to learn.
And there's just some really, really good books, not just my book, just not Zero Accountability.
It's not really about the individual vaccines, but there's a book called, the title of the book is Turtles All the Way Down.
It was written by two or three Israeli pediatricians that Remained anonymous, and it was published through Children's Health Defense.
You know, they just wanted to remain anonymous.
It's a very good book for parents to read.
Paul Thomas writes some good books.
There's a lot of good material out there.
When I started this 25 years ago, Owen, there was nothing really available.
There was a couple of books miscellaneous.
owen shroyer
Well, the trust for the system was a lot higher.
dr sherri tenpenny
And we didn't have the Internet research stuff that we have now.
We didn't have the ability to dig in and look.
But now there is just a ton of information.
So from the time you find out you're pregnant, you're usually one or two months pregnant.
By the time you, you know, get a test and you figure that out, you've got another seven months.
Take some time to explore what they're trying to inject into your baby and know that you can say no.
Just, you know that you can say no.
owen shroyer
Well, I think that's the problem is a lot of people just don't have that constitution, right?
And so giving them kind of that permission.
Ammunition.
dr sherri tenpenny
And the permission to say no.
Tell your doctor, no, thank you.
owen shroyer
And then being in the right environment, too.
Making sure you don't end up at a place where they're just going to bully you.
dr sherri tenpenny
Well, you know, physicians are supposed to be your consultant.
Like going to a lawyer or a CPA.
owen shroyer
Well, they're consultants for big pharma now.
dr sherri tenpenny
Exactly.
Or going to get your car mechanic or any of those sorts of things.
You pay them for a service.
Your physicians, you pay them for a service, or you think your insurance company does, but they get paid to be your consultant.
In fact, the Greek word for doctor is teacher.
They're supposed to teach you things, not bully you into submission.
And so if you've got a doctor that's bullying you into submission, go get another one.
And I say this all the time.
It's like don't confuse performance with personality.
Because I've had so many people over the years say, but I really like my doctor.
I just love the way they treat me.
I love my doctor.
Well, you can love your doctor's personality.
You might want to go on vacation with them, go golfing with them, invite them over for dinner.
But if they're bullying you into submission, into something you don't want to do, that's performance.
You can like them as a friend, but go get another doctor that works in you and respects your wishes.
And if you want to say no, they respect it.
They just put it in a chart because it's just in the contract.
It's right in the chart.
Vaccines recommended.
Parent refuses.
Period.
Done.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, the other thing that they don't like to emphasize, and maybe that's because they hate God or they want to be God or they don't make any money off of it, but really it's the magical ability for the body to heal itself in so many different ways.
Or the immune system.
And so really, the immune system is so important.
I mean, that's why we sell health products at our stores.
That's why we've done that for years.
And, you know, I had something.
I caught some bug late Sunday night, some throat deal.
I don't know if it was allergies or I was outside breathing in the sands of the Sahara just flew through.
Or I don't know.
I caught a bug.
I was with some new people.
But I'm like, I'll be fine.
I'll deal with it maybe 24, 48 hours, and my immune system will knock it out.
Because I know I take care of myself.
I know my immune system is working fine.
How much of the modern healthcare system, how much of that actually harms our immune system?
dr sherri tenpenny
Most of it.
You know, and that's another thing that parents are told.
You have to get all these vaccines because your baby was born without an immune system.
And that's simply not true.
owen shroyer
It's a huge lie.
dr sherri tenpenny
It's a huge lie because you're born with her.
In your system, you have two...
The one that you're born with is called your innate immune system.
You're born with that.
It protects you 24-7 the entire time that you're alive.
It's constantly scanning your blood and making sure stuff isn't in there that shouldn't be in there.
That's what you're born with.
That's what keeps everyone alive.
There's another type of immune system called the adaptive immune system.
And that's when you take the baby home and they get exposed to your cat, your dog, your laundry detergent, you know, that you put...
Well, not newborn babies, but everybody.
They start adapting and then their immune system goes, that's okay.
That's not harming me.
I will adapt to that.
And I will adapt to this and I will adapt to this.
But with giving them all these shots from the time that they're born, you are forcing the adaptive immune system to do things it wasn't intended to do.
And so it's harmful.
It's not helpful.
owen shroyer
It confuses it.
dr sherri tenpenny
And yes, it does.
That's good.
owen shroyer
And really, I think, too, what the pharmaceutical companies want is they want you to rely on their products.
So that you're a permanent customer instead of if you have a strong immune system, you don't need their product.
People are stunned to find out.
I mean, thank God, right?
I mean, I'm not bragging here, but thank God.
Like, I don't even have a doctor.
I don't even go to a doctor.
I don't know the last time I was at a doctor.
dr sherri tenpenny
Well I think that physicians are supposed to be...
unidentified
This is my doctor's visit.
dr sherri tenpenny
Well, you're supposed to be able to take care of yourself and keep healthy.
I think that physicians are really meant to be consultants.
I mean, I used to love it when I was seeing patients, when patients would come in with a big stack of papers and say, I've been doing some research and I found all this stuff.
Does it apply to me or not?
And so my job is to be able to say to them, That was great.
Or no, that really doesn't apply to you and this is why.
And they're supposed to teach you how to stay healthy.
You know, we should somehow revert back to the old days in China when you used to pay the doctor to keep you well.
And if you got sick, they took care of you.
owen shroyer
Well, now they demonize that type of stuff.
You know, now they notice how they try to demonize that stuff.
It's like old, old hippie stuff.
It's like, actually, it was really effective.
All right, we are out of time.
Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, the book, Zero Accountability in a Failed System.
A lot of good information in here.
Where can people get the book?
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Amazon.
Amazon is the best place to get it.
We're still fighting with Barnes& Noble to get it listed up there.
So right now it's available on Amazon.
And you can find our website at dr10penny.com.
Find my Substack at dr10penny.substack.com.
owen shroyer
All right.
Thank you, Doctor.
Folks, thealexjoneshow.com.
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