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Dec. 27, 2024 - War Room - Owen Shroyer

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MAGA Wars Have Begun: Heated Debates Over Foreign Workers and Foreign Policy Take Over Christmas Discourse

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unidentified		The silent majority is no longer silent.
		This is The War Room with Owen Schroer.
		Please stand by for further details.
		We return you now to your regularly scheduled program.
		Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are live.
		Owen Schroer hosting the InfoWars War Room.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		On this Friday, December 27th, 2024. It's 3 p.m.
unidentified		Central right now and we are live.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And before I get into what we're going to be covering today, I want to give a big ups to the crew that is here.
		We have a bit of a skeleton crew today.
		Some of the crew is still out with Christmas festivities and family.
		And so we have a crew that's been up here since 6 a.m. this morning, putting some elements together and covering the rest of the live shows.
		So big ups to the crew today, putting in a long day after Christmas.
		And when we do open the phone lines, which we will be at some point in today's transmission, show them a little love when they pick up the phone as well.
		That'd be greatly appreciative.
		Now, I got a lot of things still coming in as I'm going live.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But let me tell you what you can expect.
		First of all, we have three guests today.
		We've got Michael Seifert, who works in big tech.
		I suppose I should put it all into context.
		Anybody that's been following the political discourse over Christmas knows the big debate.
		It has been about H-1B visas and foreign workers, specifically in big tech.
		Well, Michael Seifert works in big tech, and he is one of the lone voices against it and explaining why.
		So he's going to be joining me in the second hour explaining why he is against what's being pushed right now.
		Then in the second hour as well, we're going to be joined by Carlos We're going to guys figure out how to pronounce that.
		His last name is a little strange there.
		It's like people mispronounce my last name all the time, too.
		You've never seen it before.
		So maybe it's Tercios?
		Tercios, guys?
		Okay, we're going to go with Tercios.
		Yeah, thank you.
		He is the one that originally broke the story about the Republican in the House who was missing for five weeks and then ended up just being in basically a nursing home is where they found her.
		So he broke that, and then he broke another story, since I scheduled him earlier, he broke that story.
		He was going to get into how he discovered that, but now he's broken another story out of Dallas, where, I mean, we've seen some shocking things of what they're putting in the classroom for children, as far as adult content, adult-themed content they're putting in the classroom for children.
		Now they're putting it into museums.
		And his reporting might have spurred an investigation it was so bad.
		So you're going to want to hear these crazy stories.
		Now, it is the last Friday of the month, and it is a tradition here on the Infowars War Room to do a veteran's call-in show.
		We kind of got a strange week with it being Christmas, and then...
		We got these other guests.
		But in the third hour, we are definitely going to be dedicating it to veterans.
		We have an in-studio guest, Chris Nyweem, who lobbies for veterans on the Hill.
		He's got some big news as we're about to change administrations here from Biden to Trump.
		And he's got some big news on the Hill about what veterans can expect, specifically at the VA, which has been a major issue.
		So we got that.
		And I will get into...
		Really, the two hottest topics, I would say, as we move forward.
		And really, these are two of the most consequential issues of our time.
		Now, strangely enough, one of the other consequential issues of our time, which is free speech and censorship, has kind of...
		entered the frame here as well.
		But the big debate has been about foreign workers, H-1B visas, even the O-1 visa.
		A lot of us are probably learning more about these policies that started in the 90s.
		But we are going to talk about that.
		Foreign policy, a big issue as well.
		And then people concerned about censorship returning to X. So we'll try to make sense of all of that for you today on the Infowars War Room.
		But we are live.
		You are tuned into a live transmission on this Friday, December 27th.
		And we are going to be here with you for the next three hours.
		It's the fastest three hours on the internet.
unidentified		Well, we hope everybody had a Merry Christmas.
unidentified		Merry Christmas.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Plenty of family fun.
		Maybe a little spirited debate.
		Because what's wrong with that?
		It used to be healthy.
		It used to be normal.
		It used to be you had some spirited debate and then you clinked glasses, broke bread, and said, I love you.
		Good night.
		I hope we got a little bit of all of that over the Christmas holiday season.
		Originally, I knew I was going to be live today, and I kind of wanted to have a Christmas-centric show with some of the things that maybe you witnessed or I witnessed, things that we saw over the Christmas holiday, things that were different than the 90s or things that were the same, things that were different maybe four years ago, new things, other things.
		Are people saying Merry Christmas more?
		Do you see people talking about the birth of Jesus Christ?
		Are they intentionally removing that from movies?
		Are they intentionally removing that from all the Christmas promotions?
		So I was kind of intending on doing that.
		But then so much has happened since Christmas Eve, really.
		It was even Christmas Day when the debate started about should we be hiring more foreign workers?
		What is the truth about the H-1B visa program?
		And it just kicked off this huge debate within MAGA, which generally speaking...
		We already knew this was the case, but it just shows that MAGA is not a cult.
		It shows that MAGA is now a populist, big tent political movement.
		So now that we've had the political victory, we're less than a month away from Inauguration Day, we're starting to see kind of the different factions break off, the different ideologies break off, some of the influence from the top down being felt, some of the influence from the bottom up being felt.
		We saw some of that with the spending bill that got brought down from 1,500 pages to just over 100. That was kind of a bottom-up influence.
		But now you see some of the top-down influence saying we need more foreign workers.
		Now, I want to do something interesting because I've been getting a lot of incoming as this debate is raging on.
		And a lot of people are digging into the H-1B visa public domain where you can see the jobs that people are coming in for.
		So it's not these high-skilled tech jobs that are making up the majority of these hires.
		Now, there obviously are some, but when it comes to high-skilled positions, that's a completely different program.
		That's the O-1 program.
		That's for people like Elon Musk that can demonstrate extremely high-value skill, very unique skill, or perhaps a basketball player, let's say, who wants to come here and play in the NBA from Europe.
		He can get drafted, demonstrates a high skill, you can get an 01 visa.
		So that's the intention of the O-1 visa.
		That's the real top 1% of immigrants trying to work here that you're going to get.
		Now the H-1B visa may have had, when it was signed in by George Bush, a certain goal or agenda, but forget it, because now we can see how it's actually being applied.
		But it even goes beyond that.
		I'm being sent people's health insurance documents, where they'll send you all your different options, and it will say, on the thing, it will say, it will promote to you to get an Indian healthcare provider, and that's the cheapest one.
		And it promotes it.
		It says, I have the document, I'll get it.
		It was just sent to me before the show.
		But it basically promotes, hey, go to the Indian healthcare provider, it's cheaper.
		And it's a separate column in the options list.
		And this is something somebody perceived years ago, and they were so stunned when they saw it, they just happened to take a screenshot, and now that this debate has reared its ugly head again, they're like, whoa, I'm glad I took a screenshot of this.
		Here, you can have this, you can report on this.
		So it's everywhere.
		It's everywhere.
		And that's...
		Where the debate is at.
		But I'm kind of zooming out and I'm looking at a couple different issues.
		And I think what I'll do is open the phone lines.
		We'll do veterans calls in the third hour, but maybe we open up the phone lines in the first hour and try to squeeze some calls in.
		Have you lost your job to a foreign worker?
		Have you, listening to this right now, been replaced by an H-1B worker?
		Because you know that's a story.
		I've got multiple news reports, all mainstream news, CBS News, Fox News, years ago, talking about how American workers are being replaced, and this is how they're doing it.
		And you can think practically, why would somebody like Elon Musk want to promote H-1B visas?
		Well, he owns tech companies.
		He owns big manufacturing companies.
		And so he says, and Vivek Ramaswamy is saying, we don't have Americans in the workforce to fulfill these jobs.
		Well, whether that's true or not, look at it from their standpoint, from just a pragmatic, from a practical standpoint.
		They can hire a foreign worker For half the price, that's not going to take holidays.
		Many of them don't have families here, so they're not requesting time off with their families.
		Just going to work all the time.
		So you can hire them for half the price, and they will work double the hours.
		So from their standpoint, yeah, of course they want to bring in foreign workers.
		It's better for their bottom line.
	It's better for their margins.
	It's better for their profit.
	And that, of course, has been the case with big tech.
	Well, if that's true, if that's true, then I think we look at the education system.
	I think we look at the education system.
	I think we look at the culture and we say, well, okay, there's a reason why they're not wanting these jobs.
	And that's because of the education system that they're brought up in and the culture that they're brought up in.
	But it wasn't always this way.
	And this is, I think, to me, what sums it up and why I think that we shouldn't even be having this discussion until we deport 20 million illegal immigrants that came in under Joe Biden.
	And deport illegal immigrants who are committing crimes in this country.
	Until every single one of them is deported, I don't want to hear about H-1B visas.
	I want the whole thing stalled.
	That's what I want.
	Let's go with the Department of Government Efficiency.
	Let's slash the federal government.
	Let's slash taxes.
	Let's get rid of the illegal immigrants that came under Biden and the ones that are here committing crimes.
	And let's do that.
	And then we can talk about bringing in foreign workers and what's good and what's bad.
	But it's like, we can't even get any of that.
	And now we're talking about replacing Americans with foreign workers.
	People are not so pleased with that.
	And so there's an ongoing debate.
	But let's just see.
	I'll open the phone lines here.
	877-789-2539.
	I would bet I can get a couple stories about people getting replaced by foreign workers, maybe even specifically with the H-1B visa program.
	877-789-2539.
	Have you been replaced, you an American citizen, have you been replaced by a foreign worker with the H-1B visa program?
	Phone number on the screen.
	But let's look at it from this standpoint.
	There was policy from the same, let's say, executive class, big manufacturing at the time, big production facilities, lobbying in Congress and getting policies passed, to ship Middle class jobs overseas.
	So all those gifts that you opened up on Christmas, you got a lot of kids running around, you got a lot of toys.
	How many of those were made in America?
	Likely none or a very small percentage.
	Well that's because of a policy that forced jobs in production and manufacturing overseas.
	Regulations, corporate taxes, And of course the argument from the, let's say, billionaire class, millionaire class, whoever it is, running these giant companies.
	Well, we can bring the cost of goods down.
	We'll make a shoe in China, a t-shirt in Bangladesh, whatever.
	They don't have the regulations.
	They don't have the minimum wage laws.
	They don't have the corporate taxes.
	So we can go here and we can produce all these goods, toys, you name it.
	And then we can sell them in America at a cheaper price.
	So that happened.
	Now what did that do?
	Why is it you can drive through some of the once greatest cities in the world, the greatest cities in America, booming metropolitan centers, St. Louis, Baltimore, And there are even districts, and you can name any city, they all have the same.
	There's some in the Chicago area, everywhere.
	And there's still these districts that are worn down, completely abandoned plants, manufacturing facilities.
	And they're just gone.
	And standing there is a relic of the past.
	These are middle class jobs.
	By the way, I mean, they employed any American, but it was per capita probably the highest percentage of black Americans.
	So they got rid of the middle class jobs, they got rid of the production and manufacturing facilities, and then they bring in Planned Parenthood.
	But maybe that's a different story.
	The point is, these are middle class jobs.
	And you could, as an American, you could live in the city or just outside, and you could get one of these jobs, you could get it at a young age.
	Hell, 16, you can probably start working in some of these facilities.
	Maybe you don't graduate high school.
	Maybe you never go to college.
	But you want to go to work.
	You want to make a living.
	By the time you're in your 20s, you're making a living salary.
	You can afford to buy a home.
	You can afford to have a family.
	Sure, you might not have a nice mansion.
	You might not have the fanciest car.
	You might not have a boat.
	But you've got a comfortable living.
	You got food in the fridge and the pantry, and you got a nice roof over your head for your family, and you're comfortable, and you're working in that production facility.
	You worked there a couple decades.
	Maybe you climbed the ladder, you got an executive role.
	That's all gone.
	They shipped all of that overseas.
	All the manufacturing, all the production from companies that are American brands that started in America, all produced, all manufactured overseas.
	Those were middle-class jobs.
unidentified		Gone.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Overnight.
		That hurt the American economy.
		That hurt the middle class American.
		Now, would anybody argue otherwise?
		Have you ever heard anybody argue that it was a good thing we sent those jobs overseas?
		It's not really a big talking point, is it?
		Well, I see it's similar.
		It's a similar result of bringing in foreign workers.
		But when you look at the two combined, what are we talking about?
		We're talking about Destroying the middle class is what we're talking about.
		Not only now are you taking the manufacturing and production centers out of the big cities and shipping tens of thousands or even millions of middle class jobs overseas so that you can get a cheaper sneaker or t-shirt, which is made with less quality anyway.
		By people that don't even get a minimum wage.
		So they shipped all those jobs overseas, crushed the middle class.
		Now, we're going to import foreign workers to fill the remaining jobs?
		That doesn't seem like an America First policy to me.
		That doesn't seem healthy for the American middle class to me.
		Exporting all the middle class jobs, or let's say a pretty large percentage, Exporting a large percentage of middle class jobs and then importing a large percentage of foreign workers to fill the remaining jobs.
		And then you have to sit here and be told, you're racist if you don't like that?
		Or you're not thinking about winning if you don't like that?
		Or you're not practical if you don't like that?
		Well, what does that represent?
		So is American pride just not a thing anymore?
		Is American heritage just not a thing anymore?
		Is American exceptionalism just not a thing anymore?
		Is America first something that you can have?
		Hire American?
		Buy American?
		Is that just, we just don't believe in that anymore?
		I don't remember us abandoning those principles.
		Is that not a value here?
		Is that not something we have a value in?
		Seems like it was just abandoned overnight and people were stunned by it.
		And so it caused this large debate.
		But as I predicted, I can go right to the phone lines.
		I'll do it the next segment.
		And you will hear from people who lost their jobs to foreign workers with the H-1B program.
		I can show you how they promote Indian companies so that you can get cheaper health care.
		So hey, I get it.
		I'm a capitalist.
		I am truly a free market capitalist.
		So I get it.
		And I'm not even saying it's an ethical thing, but we just sacrifice a little here.
		We sacrifice a little there.
		And then the next thing you know, we don't even have a country anymore.
		We don't even have a middle class anymore.
		And we've shipped middle class jobs overseas and we've imported middle class workers from overseas overseas.
		Well, what happens to our country?
		Is anybody thinking about that?
		Do we care about that?
		No, I do think that's a real issue, actually.
		And if you want to talk about, and it's up for debate, but if you want to talk about, oh, well, Americans don't want to work the jobs, or we don't have the workers for the jobs, well, I don't know if we really know that, because if you can hire a foreign worker at a cheaper rate, then you're probably just going to do that anyway, so who knows what the real situation there is.
		But why is it that we don't have Americans that want to do those jobs?
		Is it really laziness?
		I don't think so.
		There's hundreds of millions of us.
		There's plenty of lazy ones, and there's plenty of hard workers, too.
		And if they don't have the skills, then why can't we teach them the skills?
		Why is it that somebody from a foreign country can be taught the skills or have the skills or the drive, but an American can't?
		I don't believe that for one second.
		Now, do we have a culture problem of laziness?
		Absolutely.
unidentified		Do we have a culture problem?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Maybe better described as an educational system problem?
		Yeah.
		But these things can be corrected.
		So, do we want to have an exceptional America?
		Do we want to hire American and buy American?
		Do we want to make America great again?
		What does that really represent?
		What does that really mean?
		And why is it all of a sudden that...
		Having pride in America or wanting to put Americans first, whether it's policy or practice, why isn't that something that's being just widely embraced at this point?
		Now it's up for debate.
		Now you can understand again, If you're Elon Musk and you've got to hire thousands of people, tens of thousands of people, hundreds of people, and you can hire people through the H-1B visa program for half the price to work double the hours, well how much money are we talking on their bottom line?
		Millions?
		Billions?
		So sure, I get it.
		But then who steps in at that point?
		Who steps in and says, no, we're going to make sure Americans fill these jobs on our homeland?
		If you want to have a company here, we're going to make sure you're hiring American.
		Now part of this requires corporate taxes to go way down and regulations to be slashed, quite frankly, because they will move to another country.
		So there's a lot of things that need to be negotiated here because Yeah.
		Companies can just say, oh, well, if you're not going to let me hire these foreign workers at a cheaper rate, then I'll just leave the country.
		So you say, okay, we're going to slash regulations, we're going to slash corporate taxes, that'll entice you to stay here.
		Guess what?
		Now you can pay the American citizen a little bit more because you're not paying this high corporate tax rate, you're not paying whatever your overhead is to deal with all these regulations.
		So there are ways to do this to make it beneficial for the corporations and to make it beneficial for the American people.
		And it has to be done.
		And I thought that's what Doge was all about.
		I thought that's what Make America Great Again was all about.
		So a lot of people felt like they got a little cheap shot from behind with some of the most influential voices in Trump's ear.
		Making a big stand for foreign workers over the Christmas break.
		So we'll have this debate.
		But I've got the documents.
		It's public record.
		You can look at the requests for H-1B workers.
		And it's not just high-tech jobs, folks.
		Some of these jobs...
		Are literally getting coaching jobs and professor jobs at universities.
		Some of these are accountant jobs, entry-level finance jobs.
		Some of these are cashier jobs.
		I mean, at the risk of sounding racist, it's just true.
		Some of these are literally cashier jobs at 7-Eleven.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So, should the cashier at 7-Eleven be an American citizen?
		Should the cashier at 7-Eleven be the young high school student looking for a first-time job?
		Should the cashier at 7-Eleven be maybe a guy who just needs to get a second job to pay some of his bills?
		Or should we just fill them all with foreign workers?
		The coaching jobs.
		Like at Wake Forest, they need a Assistant coach for track and field.
		Multiple assistant coaches.
		They need an assistant professor and instructor.
		Instructor in economics departments.
		Should we just be bringing in all these foreigners for those jobs?
		And by the way, anybody who's been to a major university probably even experienced this.
		I remember it when I was at Mizzou, University of Missouri.
		We had teachers that were foreigners and it was the hardest class to pass because you couldn't even understand what they were saying.
		It was like a big joke amongst the students.
		And what was even worse is it was in some of the toughest classes, or at least for me, I was never good at math.
		So then I'd go to a math class.
		I remember two of them.
		I had a math teacher that was Chinese, could barely speak English.
		I had another math teacher that was South African, could barely speak English.
		And I remember he felt bad about it every day because he had to like go through the course like five times slower each time and say, do you understand?
		Do you understand?
		It was like, no.
		Had an economics professor from South America that could barely speak English.
		So should we be bringing those people in to teach Americans that can barely speak the language and make it even harder to learn and harder to graduate?
		By the way, how do you think that does for student morale?
		How do you think that does for student attendance?
		Well, gee, I can't even understand what the teacher is saying anyway, so maybe I'll just skip class today.
		Hey, I can't understand what the teacher is saying.
		Sorry, couldn't pass the class.
		How many people have dealt with that?
		Guarantee you I'm not the only one.
		I know thousands of them that I went to school with.
		So we got a lot of people that are called in on this, and then we're going to talk to...
		Actually, he's a local in Austin who owns a big tech company who's going to be weighing in on this.
		But this is the big debate that we're having right now.
		This is a huge debate.
		But I don't know how you can, I just, I'm not, this is not America first.
		Hire American, buy American.
		That was the saying.
		That's America first.
		That's make America great again.
		Americans can do it.
		Did we just stop believing in America?
		We just did this huge campaign behind American flags and waving flags and hats and now all of a sudden we don't believe in Americans now?
		Well, I think it's fair to assume the next four years are going to be very contentious.
		Now, I hope that some of this stuff in the background gets taken care of.
		Like these trans issues.
		You know, that's what we used to be discussing.
		Things that don't even exist.
		Like trans women doesn't exist.
		It's a fake made-up concept.
		It's a man pretending to be a woman.
		Doesn't exist.
		That's what we had to debate.
		We felt like to win an election.
		So we need to eliminate, you know, men in women's sports and women's bathrooms.
		That should just be done overnight.
		We need to make genital mutilation of children, trans kids, just make it illegal.
		That should be considered child abuse.
		Make that illegal overnight.
		Because I don't want to have to have these debates.
		These things need to be removed from the debate.
		They need to be removed from our society, our civilization, so that we can have the real contentious debates about Foreign policy, foreign workers, foreign wars.
		These are the real debates.
	And you can already tell it's going to be very contentious.
	And if you do decide you want to weigh in on these things, I would just give a little word of advice.
	Just remember to know what...
	You stand for where you stand.
	Make sure you know what you align with and not who.
	Very important.
	That will make a lot of things easier in the next four years.
	Make sure you know what you align with, not who.
	So, that'll make things a lot easier on you.
	And I wouldn't take anything personally.
	It's a crazy world.
	We've had vapid political debate for a long time.
	It's getting very serious.
	It's getting very real.
	It won't be for the weak of heart.
	So don't take things personally.
	And I would say also don't live in fear because fear is how you get manipulated and controlled.
	And then probably for your own personal health, make sure to just shut it down every once in a while.
	Maybe listen to some beautiful music, step outside, get some fresh air.
	Just remember, sometimes you just got to shut it down for your own personal health.
	Remember that.
	But I got a bunch of people on the line here that want to discuss this.
	Certainly the debate that has taken over Christmas, no doubt about that.
	So, on the line, let's start with Lisa in Florida, who is a nurse, wants to talk about the foreign workers in that industry.
	Lisa, go ahead.
unidentified		Hi, Owen.
unidentified		How are you?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm good, thank you.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, I used to work in travel nursing by coastal Florida and California.
		And about 15 years ago, it's the first time I noticed it, a lot of The nurses that are coming into the jobs did not have the training.
		And of course, the foreign nurses especially would come in, a lot of Filipino nurses in California, they didn't have the skills that the other American nurses had.
		They would receive what, from my understanding, was reciprocity.
		They wouldn't have to show their skills.
		And or take the tests that we had to take to work in different positions.
		So basically, let's say you're on a staff at a nursing home or correctional facility or whatever, because when you work staffing, you travel.
		And you've got a staff of five or six Filipinos, and none of them have the skills they need.
		It's like a...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, imagine that, because Filipinos mostly speak English, so at least there's not a language barrier.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But imagine that plus a language barrier.
unidentified		Well, let me make a statement in regards to that.
		If you have five other nurses on your staff that are Filipino, they start speaking in Sagala, okay?
		So if you're outnumbered by them, they start speaking in their language, and you don't know what they're saying, okay?
		So let's say you're working in a correctional facility, which I did many times, and I was on a staff with more Filipinos than whites, than Americans.
		Okay?
		It's a danger.
		And let's say you say something about it, then they don't like you.
		Okay?
		Or whatever.
		And I'm telling you, the incompetent fact, the incompetence is insane.
		People could die.
		It's a danger.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		When you give reciprocity to people, they don't have to go and show their skills.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So why do they hire the foreign nurses then?
		Is it just a money deal?
		Is it just they're cheaper?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And they'll work...
		Well, the thing is with them, they'll work 10 shifts in a row, and they don't take time off, you know?
		I mean, literally, some of them were exhausted, and they just keep going and going.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I know that that's fairly common when you are a nurse.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Nurses have some of the toughest hours out there, and you can kind of, you know, decide if you basically want to work all the time or get a day off here and there, depending on, you know, whether you work at nights or days or what the situation is.
unidentified		I always worked the night shift.
		It's usually 7 to 3, 3 to 11, or 11 to 7. I always did the 11 to 7 shift because I was a single mom with three children.
		So I could be at home with my kids in the day.
		So I worked at night.
		But let's say the staff that you're on that night is majority Filipino.
		Which you wouldn't believe it.
		It happens.
		And you're outnumbered.
		And they start talking in Tagalog.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And this is in Florida, mostly?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		In California?
unidentified		California.
		Yes, Southern California.
		You know, and they just staff people, however, and you're on, you just happen to land on a staff where you're outnumbered.
		It's crazy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, Lisa, I want to take a lot of calls here, as many as I can in this segment.
		Thank you for calling in and sharing this.
		You know, let's put another thing into perspective here as well that's kind of getting lost in the sauce of all of this.
		Immigration policy has changed drastically throughout the years.
		There have been times in this country's history where we didn't take a single immigrant, not a one, decades at a time.
		There have been times where we didn't take a foreign worker.
		There have been times where we needed to bring in foreign workers.
		So everything is kind of very fluid and depending on the times.
		So I look at the times right now and I say there are way bigger priorities than making sure we increase or bring in more H-1B visas.
		And now is the time.
		Let's at least give Americans a chance.
		How about that?
		How about you give Americans a chance?
		And if it doesn't work for a year or two, then you can make your pitch again to President Trump saying we got to increase H-1B visas.
		I've got all these jobs.
		I can't fill them.
		We had it open for two years.
		Americans won't work it.
		They won't do it.
		They don't have skills, whatever.
		Let's give Americans a chance.
		How about that?
		Is that too much to ask?
		That Americans have a chance in America?
		Can we get a chance?
		It's just very frustrating, I think, for people.
		We were riding high.
		Make America great again.
		We're doing huge rallies in front of American flags, and we're doing flag waves and everything.
		And then we get here less than a month before inauguration, and it's all about, hey, let's bring in foreign workers.
unidentified		Whoa!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		How about we buy American, high American?
		Instead of bringing in foreign workers, how about we bring back manufacturing and production centers that got sent overseas?
		How about we try that on for size?
		Are we just going to sit here and act like America's never been a hard-working, successful country?
		Is that what we're going to do?
		Let's go to Jay in Pennsylvania.
		Construction workers.
		Jay, go ahead.
		We lost Jay.
		We got a trucker talking about foreigners in the trucking industry.
		By the way, before we bring David from California on, this has happened a few times.
		I think it just happened again somewhere on the West Coast.
		But you have foreign workers that basically kind of get to skip the whole driving exam.
		They don't have their actual commercial truck license.
		They get out on the road and they cause fatal accidents.
		This has happened multiple times.
		So David in California, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hey Owen, can you hear me okay?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, good.
		So I started driving semi trucks about a year and a half ago.
		And as of eight months ago, it really trips me out whenever I go into a distribution facility.
		Because all the forklift drivers, everyone I check in with, everyone stacking boxes at 9 out of 10 of these facilities are completely from foreign countries.
		So everyone American was obviously fired.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So, I'm just curious.
		Do you know how much...
		I'm assuming that's an hourly wage job?
unidentified		I'm assuming that all those are hourly wage jobs, but I'm also assuming that they got rid of everyone because of pay and because they're probably evil globalist scum.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't try to apply my life experience to everything out there because you're going to be wrong a lot of the times.
		But I just have a hard time believing that you can't find young men that want to work those jobs.
		I just have a hard time believing that.
		And maybe...
		Maybe I'm on the extreme side of the spectrum where it's like, as soon as I could find a job, I wanted a job.
		I mean, I think I had my first job when I was like 13 or 14 reffing kids' soccer games and youth baseball and stuff.
		So before I had a driver's license, I was trying to work.
		So, maybe I'm on kind of the far end of the spectrum as far as that desire is concerned.
		But I just have a hard time believing that you can't find young men that are just looking for an hourly wage just to either have some cash in their pocket, start to put up some savings.
		Maybe they just want to buy something for their girlfriend.
		I just have a hard time believing you can't find Americans to do these jobs.
		I just have a hard time believing it.
unidentified		Look, Owen, you're completely right.
		I completely agree with you.
		As of before eight months, Everyone was American.
		Everybody.
		There might have been a few people here and there, but when the immigration really ramped up, man, they fired everybody.
		They're all gone.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you one thing, and I think everybody's experienced this, David.
		Thank you for the call.
		When you, I mean, honestly, the difference between when Trump was in office and Biden was in office, it was crazy.
		But if you utilize some of these new services, like a car ride service app, like an Uber, or you've got these food delivery services now as well, now it's like all foreigners.
		All foreigners.
		I mean, at least that's what it's like in Texas.
		And there's a risk you take.
		I mean, hell.
		Probably more than half the time I order for a ride in Austin, it's somebody that doesn't even speak English.
		And I'm not this, look, I'm not going to go on some tire, you live in this country, you better speak English.
		But I mean, really, I don't think that's too much to ask.
		Especially if you're in the service industry.
		But then you also weigh the risk of, you order some food, you order a ride, they can't find your house.
		How do you communicate with them?
		You can't.
		You have somebody come over to move your furniture.
		They're asking you questions about certain furniture, whatever.
		You can't communicate with them.
		You're in the service industry.
		So that, everybody's seen that change since Biden took office.
		Let's go to Steve in Florida talking about non-citizens and moving companies.
		That's what I was just talking about.
		I've seen it myself.
		Steve, go ahead.
unidentified		Hey, what's up, Owen?
		So I relocated from the north down to Orlando, Florida to take on a general manager role for a moving company.
		And it was a six-figure salary.
		And obviously, as we know, salary employees are for 40 hours a work week.
		Well, after my first day of being hired, I was told that it is mandatory for a 72-hour work week, six days a week, 12-hour days.
		And I resigned the next day.
		You know, there's no point of even trying there.
		And I know that there are people that are accepting those salaries that are...
		I'm not going to say they're just not white.
		They're foreigners.
		They are American, but they're working 80-hour work weeks.
		But also for the people that I have hired since being in the moving business down in the Florida area, I would say paying an employee to move is probably a fair salary of 22 to 23 an hour.
		And these companies down in the Florida region are probably hiring them for 14 or 15 an hour.
		And I do know one in West Palm that's strictly hiring illegals and paying them under the table.
		Strictly because of the wages and nothing else.
		And by the way, there are Americans that walk into the building that want to be a mover and they want to work.
		But when I tell them $16 an hour, they don't want to work there because it's too low.
		And I completely understand why they walk out.
		And then in comes a foreigner willing to accept that salary.
		So it's happening not just in Florida, but the rest of the country as well in the moving business.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so now you're essentially asking Americans, Steve, thank you for the call.
		And let's not make blanket assumptions, but let's just look at a very real situation.
		The foreigners that come here, and there's all kinds of different groups that organize this stuff, but there will already be a house that is basically either owned or rented by some company that brings them in, or they might have a rich family member or a friend of a rich family member That own the house.
		And so they can come in and basically have these living situations where, you know, you might have 10 people living in a four bedroom house, but hey, it's better than the situation they were in.
		They can make more money here.
		So they, okay.
		So, but what are you asking now?
		What are you doing now?
		You're lowering the standard of the American way of life is what you're doing.
		So, hey, sorry, American, you don't, you're a, you're a young man, maybe 30 years old.
		And you don't want to live in a four-bedroom house with ten other men, so sorry, you don't get the job.
		Sorry.
		So what, the American man is supposed to sacrifice that now?
		Again, I just think that that's horribly wrong.
		And so now you have people that are coming in here and reaping the spoils of what our forefathers have created.
		And you know, I'm sick of this crap too.
		Like, oh, that's just a racist statement.
		That's a white statement.
		Shut the hell up!
		Shut the hell up with that garbage.
		This is every American.
		Every American.
		There are generational Americans of every different skin color and background and past nationality.
		Shut the hell up with your arguments about racism and whiteness.
		Shut the hell up.
		Shut up with that crap.
		No, I want that for every generational American.
		Every single one.
		But no, no.
		You come from a family of military men, maybe multiple generations of military men.
		No, you the American now, you have to lower your standard of living.
		So everything our founding fathers, everything our forefathers, everything your lineage, everything your heritage has done, just flush it down the drain is what you're told.
		Sorry.
		Don't agree with that.
		Don't agree with that one bit.
		You already shipped our jobs overseas, and now you're going to import foreign workers so that we have to lower our standard of living?
		And you're not allowed to stand up as an American and say, hey, I don't want to sacrifice my way of life anymore.
		Hey, I don't want foreigners...
		Whose forefathers haven't fought and bled and cried and died and sacrificed blood and treasure for this country, for their lineage, to just see it wiped away so someone can come in and work for cheaper.
		How much money, by the way, 50%, 25%, what should you tax people who work in this country and then send their money overseas?
		They come here, they work in this country, and then they send their money back overseas to their family.
		How much should we tax that at?
		50%?
		Let's take another call.
		Let's go to Phillip in South Carolina, also on the construction industry.
		Go ahead, Phillip.
unidentified		Hey, Owen.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Howdy.
unidentified		Hey, yeah.
		I've been at South Carolina for nearly 40 years.
		In the last, I don't know, 8 or 9 years, it just kept getting worse that my boss, the guy that I contracted from, would tell me that in order to get the job, he had to cut my pay by 25% or 30%.
		But if I wanted to make it up, I could work 7, 8, 9 days a week.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		9 days a week?
unidentified		Wow!
		You just keep working, just keep working in order to make up for what you're losing out on.
		Because I was one of those chosen people that I chose to hire American American on me.
		And I did pay my employees well.
		And so yeah, therefore I would have to work extra hours in order to make me an income after I made them an income.
		But after, like I said, after 38 years I finally decided to beat myself up too much for running the rat race and I walked away from it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so many stories just like that.
unidentified		I mean, the industry has gone to, I mean, I got South Carolina in 86, and these are just fictitious numbers, but the foreign industry was probably 60 to 70 percent white.
		30, 40 percent was black.
		Now it's 90, 95 percent Hispanic, and maybe a trickle of white and black between that last 5 percent.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are those people coming here from Central America?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are they on visas or are they non-citizens?
unidentified		They're illegals.
		They can't.
		You can walk around and you think you're in South America.
		Nobody speaks English.
		Nobody speaks English.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you for the call, Phillip.
		We got Jay back on the line.
		He's also talking about the construction industry dealing with this.
		Go ahead, Jay.
		Having a weird glitch with our phone system there, guys.
		That's strange.
		Well, I'll tell you what.
		We're having some weird deal on our phone system right now.
		Let me read a statement from Donald Trump.
		You guys can try to figure that out.
		All right, let me read the statement, and we'll go back to the lines.
		This was March 4th, 2016. Donald J. Trump, my position on visas...
		Megan Kelly asked about highly skilled immigration.
		The H-1B program is neither high skilled nor immigration.
		These are temporary foreign workers imported from abroad for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay.
		I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements.
		I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program.
		No exceptions.
		Well, Trump has been silent on this issue over Christmas.
		you But again, some of the biggest influences and biggest names, especially when you consider that the Department of Government Efficiency is something we're all behind now, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy seem to have different opinions on this.
		And, you know, it's probably just worth saying again, I still like Vivek Ramaswamy.
		I disagree with him on this issue.
		I still like what Elon Musk is doing overall.
		I disagree with him on this issue.
		Maybe I question his motives.
		So that's fine.
		This doesn't mean that we're, you know, throwing the baby out with the bathwater or, you know, doing some sort of a separation.
		But things are certainly getting contentious when it deals with this.
		And so I wonder what Donald Trump's move is going to be.
		Is it going to be the same Trump we had in 2016 that spoke like this?
		Or is it going to be the 2024 Trump with Musk and Ramaswamy in his ear saying, no, we need more foreign workers?
		It'll be interesting to see where Trump sits on that issue if and when he finally makes a statement.
		On this highly contentious topic.
		All right, let's go to Jay in Pennsylvania on foreigners in the construction industry.
		Jay, go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, I agree with you, man.
		That's the problem with America.
		You can't just throw somebody away because you don't agree with everything they say.
		You know, you got to kind of find a common ground.
		But this topic, I definitely don't agree with them guys on.
		Yeah, it strikes a nerve, man.
		I see, like, trucks pull up with a bunch of Latinos or whatever, and they come in, and they're undercutting.
		They have one white guy show up, and he kind of gets their materials, gets the job going, and then he disappears, and they're doing the work.
		And it's funny because they do these flat roofs, and it's commercial.
		They do these flat rubber roofs.
		And there's no way they keep up with the guys that I've seen do it that do it all the time around here.
		You know they're making less.
		I don't understand what the deal is with that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's pretty clear.
		As Trump said in 2016, it's just cheaper labor.
		I mean, I don't even think it's confusing.
		It's cheaper labor, and they'll also work more hours.
unidentified		And you can't communicate with them.
		That's the problem, too.
		And OSHA's all these job sites.
		You know, all us U.S. citizens got to have these OSHA standards and all this stuff to be on these big job sites and these state-run jobs or federal jobs.
		Well, what are these guys doing?
		You can't even speak English.
		How safe is that?
		That's insane.
		You can't communicate.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jay.
		Thank you for the call.
		Look, I'm going to play some old news reports dealing with this to just give it some context.
		These are years old news reports dealing with this.
		And then we have some other headlines.
		But when we come back in the next hour, we're also going to be joined by somebody who's in the tech industry, has a big, big tech company.
		That's Michael Seifert.
		He's going to talk about his stance on this.
		Really looking forward to hearing from that.
		But on the other side, we're going to hear from some older news reports, you know, just so we can have a little context of where this debate has been.
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unidentified		American workers are losing jobs because of a law designed to help the job market.
		The H-1B visa bill was written in 1990. It lets companies recruit foreign talent for emerging engineering and scientific jobs.
		But loopholes allow for outsourcing of American jobs to foreign workers, often at lower pay.
		Bill Whitaker spoke to some Americans displaced by H-1B visa workers for Sunday's 60 Minutes.
		They say they were asked to train workers Who would take their jobs.
		It wasn't called training your replacement.
		It was called knowledge transfer.
		Craig DeAngelo worked for Northeast Utilities, now called Eversource, and was one of 220 IT workers replaced by H-1B visa employees.
		DeAngelo says his replacement, a worker from India, told him he was making half DeAngelo's salary with no benefits.
		I didn't get laid off for lack of work.
		I got laid off because somebody cheaper could do my job.
		We met with this group of workers who all had to train replacements.
		Leo Pereiro had just received high performance reviews from Disney.
		When he was called into a personnel meeting, he expected a raise and a promotion.
		And instead, I was given the news that in 90 days my job was over and I had to train my replacement.
		Never in my life did I imagine, until this happened at Disney, that I could be sitting at my desk and somebody would be flown in from another country, sit at my same desk and chair and take over what I was doing.
		It was the most humiliating and demoralizing thing I've ever gone through in my life.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The ride share company Uber has fired more than a thousand workers since July, mostly Americans.
		That's about 2% of its workforce.
		Meanwhile, during the same period, the federal government has approved hundreds of new H1B visas for Uber.
		And that means they can replace those workers with foreign scabs who will work for less.
		It's like outsourcing, but even easier because Uber doesn't even have to build a new building.
		There's nothing unusual about what Uber is doing.
		There's bipartisan consensus in Washington that we desperately need smart people from overseas to do the jobs that Americans are too badly educated to do.
		No reason to fix our schools or make sure higher education is serious and non-frivolous.
		We can just import people from countries that take education seriously.
		And that's what we do.
		That's why the US government passes out foreign worker visas to allow corporations to replace people like you with people who live 6,000 miles away.
		Now, you probably haven't even heard of the F1 optional practical training program.
		But in just four years, from 2009 to 2013, that program replaced nearly half a million American jobs.
		The program allows foreign students who studied American universities to stay in the country after they graduate.
		In other words, we're just gonna Staple a green card to their diploma.
		You probably heard that phrase recently.
		And since employers who use F1B visas are not required to pay payroll taxes, they get in effect a tax subsidy for hiring foreigners over US citizens.
		How's that for America last?
		Maybe the program would make sense if Americans really couldn't fill all those jobs, but it turns out there are plenty who could.
		Just ask the thousands who were recently laid off by Uber.
		According to the Economic Policy Institute, fully half of all American STEM majors, that is people who study technology, don't end up working in STEM jobs.
		Isn't that weird?
		The only people who actually benefit from these visa programs are tech billionaires in Silicon Valley.
		They're getting richer no matter what.
		And the foreign nationals who want to live in San Francisco.
		Our government makes it easy for them to do that.
		Who gets hurt?
		Well, among others, the college graduates who took on huge amounts of student loan debt only to be dumped into a system where their foreign replacements get preference over them.
		This is happening on a grand scale and both parties are for it, including many Republicans in Washington.
		It tells you a lot about where their priorities are.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So what's frustrating with this debate now and so many other debates is we can't even seem to have a fair discussion.
		And you have some people saying, well, what, you don't want highly skilled immigrants coming in here?
		We're talking about the H-1B visa program.
		These are two separate issues entirely.
		And I don't know why we can't separate these two things.
		It's a very frustrating thing.
		But I think we're going to have a very real conversation with tech entrepreneur Michael Siefert on the other side of this break.
		Looking forward to his take on the matter.
		Can you hire Americans?
		Do Americans want this job?
		Do we really need H-1B visas?
		We'll get into all of that on the other side with my guest.
		Michael Seifert joins me now, and he, of course, is the founder of PublicSquare.com, which probably doesn't get enough notoriety or attention.
		Very important in the parallel economy when people are dealing with censorship and payment processing, when you're trying to start up a business and certain people don't want you to succeed.
		Public Square has been a very important source to make sure you can get around some of those attacks and censorship.
		So Michael Seifert joins me now.
		He also happens to be based in what is a bit of a tech hub here in Austin, Texas itself.
		So Michael, obviously you've been following this debate on X. I've seen some of your commentary on it.
		I reached out to you after reading some of it.
		I wanted to get your expertise on this show.
		So just going through all the debate, seeing all the back and forth, What is your take on the debate that you're seeing that has really just ramped up since Christmas?
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, Owen, first of all, it's great to see you.
		I think that the American people gave a very clear mandate on November 5th.
		We want an America first future.
		And that also means Americans first.
		It means that we need to be America first in our hiring practices, the economy more broadly, housing, education, business sector, policy agendas.
		We need to be prioritizing an America first future.
		That is what the American people actually voted for.
		And over the past few days, we have seen some of the folks that jumped into the MAGA movement, maybe a little late to the party, I express their true colors in terms of what they mean when they say ceasing or halting immigration to the degree that we've seen over the last four years.
		What they mean is that while we still want the right kinds of Legal immigration and more so than ever.
		In fact, we've heard some tech entrepreneurs share over the past few days.
		And that's actually not what we voted for.
		We didn't vote for more immigration, just the good kind.
		And we certainly didn't vote for more immigration, but through these shoddy programs that are structured and seeded with corruption, like the H-1B program.
		So we're learning everybody's true colors right now.
		And Here's the deal.
		At the end of the day, I'm very grateful that the tech right has joined the movement.
		And I largely believe that people like Elon were responsible for many of the victories that we've had over the past few months.
		But that said, we are not a monolithic movement.
		We don't have to agree with these leaders on every single issue.
		I, for one, think that the H-1B programs and other visa programs that have led to the destruction of the American economy for American native-born workers over the past few years should be rooted out at their core and dismantled completely, not even reformed.
		I want the H-1B program gone in its entirety.
		So my take is simple.
		It's America first and Americans first always.
		And we're sort of testing the limits in our movement over the past few weeks of who's really down with that program and who actually is not quite.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I would say, too, I think we're both in agreement that obviously Musk had a major role to play in Trump's victory.
		He's also had a major role to play as far as returning free speech to the social media platforms on X. Nobody can deny these two things.
		I really appreciate Vivek Ramaswamy.
		He was the only presidential candidate that mentioned my political persecution and came to my defense in the public when I was being politically imprisoned.
		I'll never forget that from Vivek Ramaswamy.
		So I still respect them for all of that.
		But there's another part of me that says, now hold on a second.
		People like me have been fighting this fight for even before Trump ran for office.
		But let's just talk about getting Trump into office.
		We've been fighting this fight long before the average Trump voter knew who Vivek Ramaswamy was.
		He wasn't really in the political spectrum.
		And of course, Elon Musk was not a Trump supporter in 2016.
		And so, you know, I've been in prison I've been arrested four times.
		I've been censored off every social media platform.
		I've been sued countless times.
		I mean, I didn't do all that just so once I got Trump in, I'll say, okay, Whatever.
		I don't care anymore.
		I got Trump in.
		That's not why we did all this.
		I've got military on both sides of my family, men that signed their name on the dotted line to fight for this country.
		I stand for them and my lineage.
		I didn't just do that, so they didn't just do that so we could get a president, and then once he gets in, he doesn't do what we want him to do.
		So there are a lot of people that feel that way.
		There are a lot of people that feel that way, and I think that there's a bit of Arrogance or like, hey, you owe it to us now to bring in these foreign workers?
		And I think that's what's making this so contentious in a way.
		It's not like we're having this fair back and forth.
		People are being insulted.
		They're being insulted for believing that, hey, we want to hire American first and not have H-1B visas.
		I think that that's kind of what's driven this wedge now and why people are saying, oh, look, there's this big fracture now.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're right, and I'll go one step further.
		I totally echo your sentiments.
		I am appreciative of Elon.
		I'm appreciative of Vivek.
		I'm appreciative of the tech rights in general that has actually emerged as a serious proponent of the MAGA agenda over the past six to nine months.
		But that said, I love the Doge initiative, but why aren't we taking that same inspiration to dismantle government bureaucracy that harms Americans and applying it to the H-1B program?
		I would expect for leaders like Elon and Vivek, who I do respect, Leading this Doge effort to say, clearly the H-1B program is one of the most corrupted programs the U.S. government is running.
		Let's dismantle that too.
		So why does the Doge initiative stop when we start talking about hiring foreign workers?
		Because that arguably is the area that we should clean up the most.
		I mean, there have been so many...
		Clips going viral today, Owen, as you've probably seen as well, screen grabs of the actual H-1B program portal, because all this is publicly accessible data where you can actually see companies that are utilizing this program to hire foreign workers.
		And it's not the best and the brightest.
		That's rarely the case.
		It's being used to hire entry level accountants and manual laborers.
		And as one company in Kansas City is hiring for today, pickleball instructors.
		Are you really telling me that in our great nation of 330 million people, the nation that actually created pickleball, by the way, and this is sort of a silly example, but it is absurd that we saw this take place today, that we can't find a pickleball instructor that's native born?
		You've got to be kidding.
		So the corruption in the H-1B program is so absurd that I would hope that great leaders like Elon and Vivek would actually go set their sights on that problem and dismantle that too.
		But for some reason, there's been less of an interest in doing so.
		And the other thing I'll say, Owen, is that Again, the American people voted for ideas, not for specific people, not for specific spokespeople.
		We voted because of actual principles.
		One of the principles we voted for was an America first agenda.
		We want to be America first in every single thing we do.
		And the reality is American people should not feel like they have to compete with foreigners for their jobs.
		And many of my fellow entrepreneurs in tech, who I respect deeply but often disagree with, There you go.
		There's the director of pickleball job posting.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe this issue might make me stand with American pickleballers who have been a thorn in my side for years now.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly right.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But that's where it's at.
		I guess I'll have to stand with American pickleballers now.
		Unbelievable.
		I did not have that on my post-Christmas bingo card.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me neither.
		But it's where we're at.
		And I'll say one thing, because the proponents of H-1B and even programs like O-1 will generally say these things are structured to attract the best and the brightest.
		The reality is anybody who's worked in tech long enough knows that the best engineers on the planet are here in the United States.
		Are they always the cheapest?
		No, but we also have a concept in tech called 10Xers.
		It's commonly known that you can hire one engineer, if they're good enough, to do the job of ten others combined.
		We at Public Square, for example, automatically deny any H-1B or any visa program applicants to our company.
		We require them to check a box if they came through that program, and if they do and they came through that program, they're automatically denied when they're applying to our company.
		We do that, A, because we're America first.
		We want a company of Americans.
		B, because great skill sets is only one half of the equation.
		You also have to have a cultural fit in your company.
		And C, because anybody worth their salt knows that Americans are actually the best and the brightest on the face of this earth.
		So if anybody is saying...
		We embrace these programs because we want more skills in the mix and Americans are lazy or incompetent.
		It's a flat-out lie.
		They're doing it because they believe that they can get cheaper labor from overseas entities bringing their people here.
		That's it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and my next question was, I mean, you might have just answered it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you want to expand, but so this notion that we can't hire Americans or they're not available for these jobs or they don't want these jobs, are you just saying that is outright false?
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Not only is it outright false, it's patently and provably false.
		If you look at the last year in tech, Owen, there have been mass layoffs across almost every subsector in technology.
		So we're talking everyone, Snowflake, largest database company in the world, Meta, Amazon, all these different companies have gone through layoffs.
		So what you're telling me is that you had to lay off your American workers, but at the same time you have job postings live for H1B applicants?
		What you're saying is not there's a shortage of talent.
		You're saying that you want cheaper talent.
		You want to be able to suppress wages and bring in low-cost labor at the expense of American workers.
		I got a message today, Owen, one of literally hundreds I've received today, from a gentleman who was laid off from Snowflake this summer that is overhauling their employment base.
		And he said he's been under the oppressive thumb of the H-1B program for years.
		He is an American engineer who has been set aside in order to embrace foreign labor.
		And here's another thing.
		If you actually love these other countries, because I am.
		I'm a Christ follower.
		I love all the people of the world.
		Do I believe that all cultures are equal to one another?
		Of course not.
		And do I also believe that the American people have to come first because you have to protect your own homeland before you care about the world outside your borders?
		Absolutely.
		But that doesn't mean I hate other cultures.
		But here's the deal.
		If you actually love other countries and you want India to thrive, for example, then you should want the top talent from India to stay in India.
		Don't come here.
		I put out a post yesterday on X where I said very clearly, if you are a foreign-born engineer that is growing your career in technology, it should never include a move to the United States.
		You should take your skill sets and you should use them to better your own community and your own country.
		So it's all this false sort of compassion narrative mixed with this desire to be more competitive as a United States.
		It's all a lie.
		It's just to embrace better profit margins and to pay people less at the expense of American workers.
		I'll give you one more stat, Owen, that's important for your viewers to recognize.
		The National Academy of Sciences...
		A few years ago came out with a large research study that analyzed tech talent from countries around the world.
		And it found that American graduating seniors from college in the field of computer science are better by a large field of magnitude than the same seniors from India, China and Russia.
		So if you look at our H-1B program and you look at the countries that are flooding our nation with worker migrants, the two countries largest represented are India and China.
		They make up for about 80% of the entire H-1B field.
		They're not better than American engineers.
		American seniors in the computer sciences are better writ large.
		On average than any other country.
		So, top talent here in the United States.
		The priority for American companies should be here in the United States.
		And, very simply put, American workers should never have to compete with foreigners for their own jobs.
		This should not be controversial.
		It certainly is not complex.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and, you know, I don't even like to go into the cultural realm of this discussion.
		I think that I kind of just bring it back to more practical matters.
		And Because then people tend to go into this whole debate about H-1Bs and immigration, and I think they're two different debates altogether.
		If there is an immigrant from a foreign country who wants to come here because he wants to be an American or she wants to be an American, they have a dream, they have a skill, and they want to go through the process of becoming a citizen That is a completely separate issue than the H-1B visa where you just go to an online government portal and get direct access to a job because you're from a foreign country.
		To me, these are two totally separate debates, and I don't like seeing them get merged together, which is what has happened in the course of this online discourse in the last couple of days.
		But I think there's an obvious solution to this, and to me it shows that there are people that are being disingenuous because you're obviously seeing the same thing that I'm seeing that's publicly available.
		When they say, oh, it's about bringing in the top workers, well, then let's just get rid of the H-1B visa and just have the O-1 visa then.
		Let's just do that.
		We can keep the O-1 visa, and if you are highly skilled or bring a unique skill, then the O-1 visa can apply to you.
		And yeah, that's like a talented basketball player coming from Europe who can get into the NBA draft and get a job with the whatever NBA team, or like maybe an Elon Musk that can come in here and work for...
		Let's say SpaceX or something like that.
		Those are the O-1 visas.
		So you can keep that.
		That is the actual top 1% or less of the echelon of people that want to come here and work.
		But that's not what the H-1B visas are.
		It's just simply not.
		And so when you're seeing people kind of conflate the two, now you're getting into the realm of you're being disingenuous or just outright dishonest.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think even the 01 visa program has some flaws in the sense that it doesn't have a cap and you need to instill a cap.
		It can be too up for interpretation, which we need to reform.
		I would prefer a program, to capitalize on your point, Owen, I would prefer a program where the United States actually starts to poach talent, meaning we take less inbound requests From applicants, regardless of the visa program they're pursuing.
		And instead, the United States actually goes on the offensive.
		And we say, where are the great entrepreneurs in these other countries that we believe have some sort of added benefit to the overall country here in the United States?
		And we poach them, so it's very intentional.
		You have less flooding of the system with unverifiable humans.
		I mean, again, if you know engineering, you know that India is a largely deceptive country with these visa programs.
		So they'll make up universities.
		In fact, a lot of people don't realize this.
		Over 35% of H-1B program applicants, you cannot even verify their educational status.
		So we're not getting the best and the brightest.
		And we need to make sure that education verification...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Wait a second.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me there's online scams coming out of India?
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		That's shocking, I'm sure.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Stop it!
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		But you're exactly right.
		We should have a system where it's actually the best and the brightest and you're able to verify that that's the case.
		Some could call me more of an extremist on this issue when it comes to verifying work employment and ensuring that we're prioritizing American workers.
		I honestly think we need a moratorium.
		We need a moratorium of any immigration for work purposes for a period of time until we can flesh out this system so that you can have an O-1 visa style program.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's extremist and this is why I want to stop you right there.
		It might sound extremist.
		What's extreme is 20 million illegal immigrants crossing the border in the last four years.
		That's extreme.
		What's extreme is...
		Anybody can go look at the database, folks.
		Anybody can go look at the H-1B database.
		What's extreme is a college university looking for foreign workers to be a track and field coach or an assistant professor or a professor.
		That's extreme.
		You saying, hey, let's hit a pause on this...
		Let's just take a pause on this and figure out what's going on and correct some other things.
		To me, that's actually conservative, actually.
		I look at that as a real conservative value, which nowadays, actual conservatives and amongst conservatives is a rare thing.
		There's very few conservatives left in the conservative movement.
		But no, to me, that's actually a conservative thing, not an extreme thing at all.
		And I would say we have to prioritize...
		We have to prioritize getting criminal illegal aliens out.
		And I would have a moratorium on pretty much everything.
		I mean, me personally, I kind of more tend to be pro-immigration.
		It's not as popular amongst maybe some of the MAGA circles.
		But I think you don't have to go on the offense.
		This is kind of more of an old school approach.
		When you have good policy and you have low to no regulations, you have low to no corporate taxes, you're naturally going to be recruiting people.
		That's how you get good immigrants that have ideas and entrepreneurs and they say, I want to go to America.
		I want to take my dream to America.
		And they're not going to be burdened by regulations and taxes.
		That's what's killing everything.
		So you can bring the best and brightest here.
		But what's motivating them if you're going to tax and regulate them out of existence, out of real competition?
		So to me, that's what you do.
		You cut taxes, you cut regulations, you can have a moratorium completely on the H-1B visa program, you prioritize deporting illegal immigrants.
		I don't know.
		I thought that's what this next administration was going to be about.
		I thought that that's what we were all rallying behind and going to do, and then we find out over Christmas, wait a second, not everybody's on board with that.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think that's an important call-out.
		It's It's important to recognize that President Trump has actually not commented on this this week.
		And if you look back at his comments from 2016, which was a grandiose victory that all of us will remember, I was very thrilled when he first announced and then ended up winning back in 2016. And one of the big issues for me was his stance on immigration.
		And he actually released a very clear written monologue about his stance on the H-1B program.
		He called it a facade.
		He said that this is not an immigration program, and it's also not a way of getting the most effective and talented labor.
		It is a cost-cutting exercise at the end of the day at the expense of the American workers.
		So he called all the way back in 2016 for an extensive overhaul of the H-1B immigration systems.
		So my hope and prayer is, Owen, that coming into January 20th, Trump actually maintains that same perspective.
		I believe he will.
		I think this might be an area where he's going to have to push back on the tech bros that have joined this movement.
		I'm, again, grateful they have.
		But, thank God, Trump doesn't answer to anybody.
		He is a man that goes with his convictions and it's one of the things I respect most about him.
		He doesn't owe anybody anything and he doesn't feel this need to answer to anybody because he only takes direction from the convictions inspired by the desires of the American people.
		That's why I voted for him.
		And so my hope is that as we see the next few years unfold, we see that same fire in his heart that got him to this position and caused him to fight so hard carry through into effective policy that does all the things you just described.
		Mass deportations, closing the border, moratorium on any ineffective programs that are causing more harm than good to American workers.
		And then, over the next four years, we're going to learn what we really have here and how we can patch the holes in our own ships so that we can build to the brightest American renaissance our country has ever seen.
		It's an analogy I want to leave people with.
		This whole discourse on the H-1B program, any proponents of continuing to fund that program or prop up its existence are essentially saying, hey, we know your ship is sinking and it's taking on water, but the real fix is just add a few more bodies to the boat.
		That'll help.
		It's not the answer.
		You actually have to patch the holes in the ship, don't add any more people until you're sure that you're floating, and then we can talk about the future of the immigration system in the United States.
		But not until these existential flaws are fixed.
		They're harming American workers too much.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, we have an open border in a welfare state.
		That's like a gaping wound on your jugular.
		I mean, it's like before you do anything, it's like, hey, he has a hangnail.
		Well, his jugular is wide open.
		Well, let's address the hangnail first.
		Okay, well, you're still going to die.
		I mean, the H-1B visa push has been almost as unpopular as the 1,500-page bill that luckily we the people were able to influence and stop.
		But I kind of see this going, Trump needs to go full Bain.
		And maybe, let's say, some of the tech ride or the tech bros come to him saying, hey, well, you know, we donate a lot of money to your campaign.
		We want these HB1 visas.
		We gave a lot of money to your campaign.
		He needs to be...
unidentified		And you think this gives you power over me?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He just needs to go full bane in that moment because I anticipate that that is probably an inevitability and Trump's silence so far in this speaks issues.
		I think he's paying very close attention to see where things are going to end up as far as the public discourse are concerned.
		Michael Siefert has been my guest.
		You can follow him on x at real Michael Siefert.
		He's the founder of Public Square, publicsquare.com.
		They do a great service over there as well.
		Michael, thank you for your time on this post-Christmas broadcast.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Owen, it's great to see you.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Let's be in touch.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I have a feeling this conversation is not going to get stale anytime soon.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely agree.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		I'll talk to you soon.
unidentified		Oh, the weather outside is frightful, but the fire...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm still clinging to the Christmas music.
		I don't want to take my tree down.
		Still got some gifts to open tonight with family, so I'm clinging.
		All right, it's okay.
		It's acceptable.
		It's still considered Christmas week, so it's okay.
		You can still listen to your Christmas music.
		We're going to pretend it hasn't passed yet.
		It flew by.
		Alright, we're about to be joined by Carlos Tercios of the Dallas Express.
		He broke some huge news last week, and even since I invited him to come on to talk about that, he's broken even more big disturbing news.
		So two big stories we're going to cover with him.
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		All right, let's bring Carlos Tercios in now from the Dallas Express.
		Two huge stories that you're breaking.
		Let's start with the first one we were discussing, and this was kind of a shocker.
		Where is Congresswoman Kay Granger?
		I'm not sure the most shocking part of this story, actually, Carlos, because the fact that we didn't even know this was going on, a member of the House, a Republican, just MIA, just gone, a non-existent vote in a very thin...
		Majority, Mike Johnson doesn't say anything.
		He doesn't even look into it.
		Just nothing.
		And then it turns out that she's, what, in some form of an old folks home?
		Just disappeared off the map?
		So tell us about this story and how her whereabouts were located and just how stunning it is that for five months it went on.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for inviting me, Owen, to your show.
		And of course, yes, we did break a huge story last Friday, and that was, of course, the question.
		That is, you know, where is Congressman Kay Granger?
		We actually were reaching out to discuss and ask her questions about the spending bill that was being debated in D.C., We called her district office and congressional office in DC and none of them of course picked up and they went straight to voicemail.
		We decided to of course go and visit her district office in Fort Worth and when we arrived to her location it was empty.
		The office was non-existent.
		We spoke to a business right next to her office and they said that they packed up by mid-November.
		And so we decided to ultimately use our contacts and our connections to see well Where is she?
		Because constituents still need services and, of course, need support and representation from a congresswoman.
		And we ultimately got a tip, and that tip was she's actually living in a senior care facility.
		And so we visited the facility to confirm that she was living there, but most importantly, to see if we could ask her questions and interview her about the spending bill.
		And we got confirmation from a secretary from there, and then ultimately management told us that this is her home.
		And we were unable to, of course, interview her.
		But really, this was a major, major discovery because for six months she had not been voting.
		She had not been voting since like July.
		And, you know, what's even worse is that You know, essentially, taxpayers were still paying her.
		You know, they were paying her staff.
		You know, and this is a crucial period right now since the Trump administration is, you know, in a transition phase.
		And of course, you know, there were a lot of debates such as the spending bill and other crucial votes.
		And she was MIA. You know, it's basically taxation without representation.
		And so ultimately, You know, the Daily Mail, the New York Times, you know, a lot of these media outlets, they report on it.
		Elon Musk re-shared it, Lipsa, TikTok, and other outlets as well.
		But it was a major, major discovery, and of course it's a major shock because, you know, it's a cover-up in essence.
		You know, President Biden has had Cognitive issues, you know, that's a fact.
		But this one is worse because there was no press release.
		There's no video of her since March.
		She just disappeared without noticing her constituents and letting them know.
		But most importantly, since she represents the largest Republican city in the country.
		And she left her constituents in the dark, not providing them any transparency whatsoever.
		Taxation without representation.
		And ultimately, her staff, in total, getting paid more than a million dollars using taxpayers' money and not disclosing that she has been dealing with dementia issues, as her son stated, to one of the local media outlets here in the Metroplex.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I want to get more into the staff issue with the payments, but...
		We know how bad her health is because, I mean, Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell at least stand up there.
		I mean, they blank out half the time and, you know, they got all kinds of problems.
		The public can just sit there and witness how bad off they are.
		But I guess her situation was so bad that they couldn't even prop her up there.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		We have I have we have several sources that have told us that her condition is really bad to the point that you can't really videotape her whatsoever.
		She was at a celebration event with Mike Johnson and some other members of Congress this past November, and some of the establishment local media outlets were saying, ha-ha, look, she was not missing because she went to this event.
		But the problem with that is she didn't vote.
		She went to D.C. to take a photo and, of course, to attend this celebration event, but yet she was MIA. She didn't vote.
		She didn't vote for the spending bill and, of course, what was happening last week.
		And how did Speaker Mike Johnson and all these members of Congress Not know.
		For sure, they had to know that something was going on.
		And of course, she was MIA for many, many months, leaving her constituents without representation.
		And it's just troublesome.
		And of course, the last video that we had of Congressman Kay Granger was in March.
		And that was, what, 10 months ago?
		President Biden and all of these elected officials that are Very old and, of course, have cognitive issues.
		They're still able to, of course, do a press conference, even if it's scripted and they have to provide some drugs.
		But with her, there's been no video, and we've been told behind the scenes that her condition is really bad, that she just can't do any press conference or anything like that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I look at this, too, and you just brought it up.
		It's even worse than I originally thought.
		So she had been in some form of contact with Speaker Johnson.
		At least he had a party that she was at, essentially.
		So...
		I'm just sitting here and I'm like, how can Mike Johnson allow this to happen?
		How can Mike Johnson allow this woman to not show up for votes for six months, not question anything when he has her in the room, not question anything, not question, I mean, I don't know, maybe the other representatives in Dallas or, you know, call down to her office to see what's going on and just allow this to happen.
		I mean, this is more of a cause...
		To me, that Speaker Johnson has to go.
		I mean, this is beyond just her dereliction of duty.
		It's his dereliction of duty as well.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, he, of course, is the Speaker of the House, and he has to be in contact with members of Congress.
		Representative Tony Gonzalez, this past Sunday, said that he had no idea that this was happening.
		But, you know, she is one of the most powerful people in the country.
		She was a chairwoman of the House Appropriations Committee, which oversees $4 trillion of the national budget.
		How on earth was Speaker Johnson, the majority whip, House leadership, not aware that she was dealing with dementia issues?
		And we have been told through sources that she has actually been dealing with dementia issues since 2022. And so that's the other question is, For how long has she been dealing with these health challenges, you know, dementia issues?
		Was it 2022?
		Was it 2021?
		We were also told that she was spotted at a brain institute back in 2021. So how long was this going?
		The staff, the campaign, Speaker Mike Johnson, House leadership, her colleagues We're a part of a cover-up to disenfranchise 750,000 Americans from representation.
		It was taxation without representation.
		And no one from her staff, no one from her team, from her family is, you know, talking about or even addressing the fact that there was taxation without representation, that this information was not disclosed, that there was a lack of transparency.
		There are quiet Right now.
		And it disenfranchised 750,000 constituents of representation.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and let's talk about the ethics.
		I mean, clearly ethical issues here because you also are breaking stories about her staff still getting paid.
		Well, to do what?
		She's sitting in an intensive care home, essentially, maybe not even knowing where she is.
		I mean, it sounds like it could be so bad where she might not even know where she is on a daily basis.
		She might need some serious help.
		And her staff is still what?
		Collecting paychecks to just do nothing?
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, so they are still getting paid using taxpayers' money.
		And actually, if you go to Legistorm, for fiscal year 2024, her staff was paid more than $1.2 million combined for her 25-member staff.
		And she was dealing with dementia issues.
		She's been living in a senior care facility for many, many months.
		And so they essentially took taxpayer funded vacation many months ago and they disenfranchised and of course Had taxation without representation for 750,000 constituents.
		And so that was on the staff side.
		But what's even more concerning is the fact that she announced this past October in 2023 that she was not running for re-election.
		And yet, you had her campaign manager getting paid $68,000 plus in the span of a year.
		Her last paycheck was $2,800 plus.
		when she was already living in a senior care facility, and then she was paying, her campaign was paying tens of thousands of dollars to consultants when she was now running for re-election.
		So is this a case of elder abuse?
		Were they trying to milk as much as possible from her campaign funds and also on the staff side from taxpayers as well?
		Were they just trying to milk as much money as they could, knowing very well that she's been dealing with dementia and then ultimately ended up in a senior care facility.
		I mean, this is a case of elder abuse.
		It brings up ethics, and a former member of Congress has already mentioned that there should be an investigation, and a state rep in Texas is already calling for an investigation, and he tagged Governor Abbott and Ken Paxton.
		And so it raises ethical questions for sure.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, 100% there has to be an investigation, and I suppose when you learn about the payment still going out, Maybe we realize why, oh, nobody ever heard.
		Nobody ever knew.
		You know, the staff probably didn't want people to know.
		Obviously, Mike Johnson's still with a big swing and miss, doing nothing about this, a total failure on his behalf.
		But that's probably more incompetence than anything else.
		But when you look at the staff still getting paid, now you realize, ah, okay, that's why nobody ever heard that Representative Granger was in A care unit in her old age suffering from dementia because the staff probably didn't want anybody to know they were still making money.
		And just to repeat this, again we're talking about Representative Kay Granger.
		Who disappeared from Congress, didn't show up for votes for half a year, and basically turned up because of Carlos' reporting in a care facility.
		She was the chair of the Appropriations Committee?
		And still nobody knew?
		She was the acting chair?
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That is insane.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, she was the chairwoman of the House Appropriations Committee, the most powerful committee in Congress, the one that oversees the national budget.
		And the big question that has not been answered is, does she have dementia during that whole time?
		And we reached out to the family, we reached out to several staff members, and of course they haven't responded back.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And these are the staff members that were still getting paid?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Wow.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So do you know then, I guess, I mean, there could be multiple avenues for investigation.
		I don't know, is this something that would get held within Congress?
		Is this something that would be taken care of at the Texas level?
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		So, you know, typically when you have an ethics investigation, you hear from members of Congress being investigated.
		But this is now a discussion on the bureaucracy and just how powerful the bureaucratic system within Congress is.
		And how much of an impact they can have on constituents, I think.
		I don't have an answer to that on how an investigation can happen, but I think that's something that, you know, Speaker Mike Johnson and of course House leadership need to seriously discuss because it disenfranchised 750,000 constituents from representation, taxation without representation, and that needs to be brought up.
		You know, this is something That needs to be brought up.
		You know, you have staff members getting paid when she's living in a senior care facility with dementia.
		You know, and, you know, I hope that there's a conversation on the bureaucratic reforms, and of course that's been brought up on Acts and other platforms, on the issue of bureaucracy, really.
		I mean, how do you hold accountable people that were not elected into office How do you hold them accountable?
		What systems, what checks and balances are for the chief of staff, for the executive assistant and others?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's clearly unethical to keep this information from the public.
		Illegal?
		I don't know.
		Maybe an investigation can see if there is anything illegal done.
		But this is a major scandal.
		A representative disappears, chair of one of the most important committees.
		Mike Johnson seemingly doesn't know what's going on.
		The staff doesn't want anybody to know.
		They're still getting paid.
		This is truly a crazy story of deceit, scandal, political corruption, ethics, and you did a good job breaking that thing wide open.
		I have a feeling more will come of it.
		But you broke another story.
		Now, this one is not necessarily as political in nature and yet perhaps just as stunning, if not more stunning.
		County officials call for criminal investigation of museum exhibit in Fort Worth, Texas.
		Folks, these images were quite disturbing.
		Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth is receiving backlash from the community after reports revealed that a collection features pictures of nude minors as well as topless women and two men together in bed.
		What in the hell is going on at this museum in Fort Worth?
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		You know, I asked myself that question, you know, what is going on, you know?
		And I received a tip from a Fort Worth resident telling me that the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth has, you know, a collection, a gallery of naked children.
		And I could not believe what this resident was telling me, but, you know, as a reporter, I decided to go check it out and investigate.
		And when I went to the museum, I went to the gallery section called Diaries of Home.
		When I went inside, I was appalled that this collection was being allowed.
		You had pictures of two, three, four-year-olds showing their genitalia, just children naked.
		And they had a section, they had that section for apparently non-binary LGBTQ purposes.
		So wait a second, hold on.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		This was...
		There was a whole wing, essentially, for LGBTQ art.
		Is that what you're saying?
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And if you read the description on Diaries of Home, the artists are basically non-binary women.
		And they had a lot of LGBTQ-themed portraits.
		You had pictures of two women making out in bed.
		You had a woman showing her breasts.
		You then have several pictures exposing children's genitalia.
		And, you know, several, many residents in Fuller Wharf have complained.
		We ultimately got several electorate officials that ultimately sent out statements saying that there needs to be a criminal investigation.
		Tarrant County Judge Tim O'Hare has already condemned the museum and is calling for a criminal investigation.
		You know, they call it art.
		It's pedophilia.
		They're trying to legalize child porn.
		And when I saw that, I was completely in shock that the city of Fort Worth, which is a major Republican city, the largest Republican city in the country, It's allowing a top museum in the area to have pictures of naked children.
		It's disgusting.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And let's clarify here, too.
		These were...
		Photos that somebody took.
		This wasn't like a painting.
		This wasn't like a painting of like the baby angels that sometimes might be partially nude, like the cherubims, I believe that they're called.
		This was a photo of a naked child.
		A photo.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Photos.
		Several photos.
		Not just one.
		Several.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even the implications there, I think, are...
		I mean, that's kind of an open-shut deal, I would say.
		I mean, you're talking about...
		Now you've got to...
		I mean, oh my gosh, can you imagine being the police officer that gets assigned to that case?
		Can you imagine how many photos?
		I mean, again, I don't want to get too graphic here, folks, but the ones, and he has censored them on his X account, for obvious reasons.
		You can go to the museum.
		Are they still up at the museum?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		It's still open, and we did get a notification that a resident from Tarrant County has filed a police report, and of course it's getting a lot of attention from residents, and many of them are complaining that this is not acceptable.
		I did talk to one of the employees at the museum, and I asked them, you know, have you received any complaints?
		How long has this gallery been up?
		And apparently it's been up since November, so more than the whole month it's been up.
		Crazy!
		And the only thing they have when I was asking them questions, the employee was saying, oh, we do have a warning sign.
		And it just says, you know, images might be offensive.
		And it's like...
		One of the residents mentioned, you know, if you have these photos on your phone, you know, you could probably get charged with child pornography.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, imagine, because again, folks, I don't want to get graphic, but I mean, somebody is sitting here snapping photos of naked children.
		I mean, you call the police, you see somebody at the park, and there's naked children, and they're snapping photos.
		I mean, you're calling the police.
		They're getting a police report and facing charges.
		So, see, this is what they're doing.
		This is what these perverts have done.
		And they've really absconded what used to be, maybe let's just say, gay people just saying, hey, you know, we're normal.
		We want to be treated normal.
		We don't like these stigmas, whatever.
		And maybe they were well-meaning, whatever.
		Maybe it's an organic, grassroots thing.
		But Regardless, they've taken that now and turned it into this mask, this camouflage of just perverted sexual behavior, if not even outright pedophilia with cases like this, and they just mask it behind, Oh, it's LGBTQ.
		So they do the same thing in the classrooms when they want to bring in a drag queen, you know, sexy time for kids and have strippers and men bouncing up kids when they're naked.
		They do the same thing when they want to show them pornographic materials and introduce to them sex toys and all this other stuff.
		I don't like talking about this stuff.
		It's like, oh, my gosh.
		And but now they're masking it as art.
		And they're saying, oh, I'm picturing naked children for art.
		So that's all it is.
		It's this giant cloak of LGBTQ plus rights that they hide behind now to get away with the most perverse sexual behavior and content that would otherwise be deemed illegal and you'd probably be in jail.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's completely insane.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, it's shocking.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't even imagine what it was like for you hearing this and then actually going and seeing it firsthand.
		Because again, folks, look, nude art's been around for a long time.
		You could argue in the classical sense it's been tastefully done.
		But even if, I mean, you can't even go out and buy a nudity magazine.
		You've got to be 18 years old.
		But you can walk right into this museum and they got nudity for you.
		And this isn't like some art of a cherubin angel that's still covered up, but maybe partially naked.
		No, this is a naked child.
		I'm not going to go into graphic detail about what they're picturing these children doing, but it's a photo.
		It's not even art.
		It's a photo, which to me, now you got red flags everywhere.
		I can't even believe this was allowed to stand, but perhaps investigations will follow.
		Carlos Tercios has been my guest.
		He broke these two big stories.
		And, Carlos, I'll be following you.
		And if I see any updates, we'll be bringing you back on to figure out what happens when these investigations take place.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the invite, Owen.
carlos turcios ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Carlos.
		All right.
		Coming up next, we enter the third hour.
		We're going to talk veterans issues, take some calls from veterans.
		It is the last Friday of the month by tradition, a veterans call-in show.
		So we'll hear from some veterans coming up next.
unidentified		So this is Christmas.
		And what have you done?
		Another year.
		Sir, there's no smoking on airplanes.
		I know.
		It's ridiculous, isn't it?
		Don't worry about it.
		I'll be quick.
		Sir, if you like that, I'll have to report you to the FAA. Stacy, do you know when the first commercial flight went smokeless?
		No.
		1973. And did you know that in 1969, when smoking was allowed on all flights, we put a man on the moon?
		I had no idea.
		Look.
		You know what that is?
		That's a remnant of a better time.
		But they welded it shut.
		And it starts with ashtrays, and it ends with all of our precious freedoms being stripped away.
		I remember back in the day when you got on a plane, and you knew you weren't for a good time.
		A little smokin', a little drinkin', and the stewardesses, Stacy, You come from a proud tradition of blazing hot stewardesses.
		And now you can't do one damn thing without someone reporting you to the Department of Homeland Security.
		Am I right?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Listen to Don.
unidentified		I had to take my pants off and nibble my old spice down to three ounces just to get on the plane, Stacy.
		They made me throw out my mouthwash.
		I had to give up my bath jellies.
		They made me breastfeed some old man.
		That's what I'm talking about.
		But we don't have to take it, Stacy.
		Like Henry David Thoreau and Rosa Parks and David Lee Roth when he left Van Halen, we can say enough.
		Enough injustice.
		And when you and I are old and gray, we can look back on this and remember when we were 30,000 feet above God's green earth and we smoked one.
		We smoked one for America!
		We just want our country back.
		Oh We just want a little bit of that nostalgia.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is it really too much to ask?
unidentified		That was a clip from the movie The Goods.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we can all relate to that just a little bit today.
		Just a little bit today.
		By the way, A couple headlines before we get our guest in studio.
		How do you like this?
		Biden administration withdraws key student loan forgiveness plans.
unidentified		Oops!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Biden just ended two student loan forgiveness plans for 30 million people.
		Oh, darn it.
		He lied to you, didn't he?
		He told you free money so you'd vote for the Democrats and eventually just said no, even though it was already deemed illegal by the Supreme Court anyway.
		By the way, look, student loans have a lot of problems.
		How do you even end up in this situation?
		Elderly student loan borrowers owe $121 billion.
		What?
		That's got to be a record. - Yeah.
		I mean, that's got to equate for a large percentage of the overall student loan debt coming from one elderly couple.
		$121 billion.
		More on this situation with the H-1B visas.
		Here's some headlines.
		This is from November 2023. Apple pays $25 million to settle suit over favoring foreign hires and making it so hard for U.S. workers to apply that few or none did for certain jobs.
		Isn't that something?
		From October 2021, Facebook settles claims it discriminated against U.S. workers for jobs.
		So big tech companies discriminating against U.S. workers.
		And where are they getting the foreign workers?
		Well, the H-1B visa program.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you know, I think...
		We didn't have a total victory on the spending bill, but we had somewhat of a victory, maybe a moral victory at least, getting the bill down from 1500 pages with all kinds of pork and agenda to 118 pages with just some pork.
		Because of the commentary and discourse on X in the last, let's say, 48 hours, even though many people have basically been censored now, essentially for speaking out against the H-1B visa program, including yours truly.
		Yeah, that's happening.
		Elon Musk has basically just come out with his most recent statement saying okay the H-1B visa program is extremely corrupted and needs fixed.
		How about that?
		Public debate and discourse for the win.
		Joining me in studio now is Chris Nye Weem, and he covers all kinds of veteran issues on the Hill.
		He lobbies for veterans.
		He makes sure they get taken care of.
		It's nyleemgroup.com and he can tell you all about the differences from the Trump administration to the Biden administration but as we are about to enter the next congressional session and of course the next presidential term of Donald J. Trump you're already seeing major shifts on the hill when we're dealing with veterans issues so what can you report today?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Trump administration in the first go-round had to clean up a lot of issues from the previous administration in terms of efficiency and getting the VA to focus on veterans, not on unions, not on the workforce.
		One of the major things he did first go-round was the VA Mission Act implementation and the VA Accountability Act, which would allow bad VA employees to be fired so they couldn't harm the veteran.
		And he also did a lot with private community care, which essentially, while the VA still retains ownership over our healthcare, but veterans in rural areas and other areas that are having a hard time getting treatment can go and get it.
		That simple.
		So it puts the onus on the veteran.
		In the Biden administration, we've had an expansion into Pet DEI-type projects, things that detract from veteran care, and in recent cases, community care that was going on with top doctors and specialists, where then the Biden administration secretly, this has been barely reported on now, have gone in and done an about-face with TriWest, the healthcare provider, to say, well, some of those treatments that we approved that we paid for, They were considered experimental.
		So now we wanna recoup all that money for those treatments for those veterans, which pushes those healthcare providers from ever wanting to work with the VA in the future.
		Veterans having their healthcare taken away and the Biden administration secretly wanting community care to fail because they want the unions and they want the legacy old school mentality of total government control.
		President Trump is going to come in there and have to be a firefighter again, cleaning up the fires and the smoke of scandal with Biden, and put the focus back on the veteran.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I first started doing the veterans call-in shows the last Friday of every month, Really, the first year, maybe even two, when Trump became president, that was the biggest issue veterans wanted to talk about.
		It was every time about the VA, how bad it was under Obama, and then the major improvements under Donald Trump.
		I mean, for two years, they didn't even want to talk politics, policy, foreign policy, wars, nothing.
		It was all about the VA. That's how important that issue was for them.
		And now Trump is in a very similar position.
		I guess he has the experience to deal with it again.
		But he's in a similar position where he has to go in and put out a lot of fires just to get the VA on the right track again.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And part of this, too, I think he understands is the key selections.
		I know Pete Hegseth.
		I know his selection for VA. I think it would be good as well to get in and be able to put forward a freedom-based agenda with that type of experience.
		And the VA is also huge.
		Originally, they talk about the Veterans Administration.
		It's actually a department.
		In 1989, it became a department.
		You have cemeteries, healthcare, and benefits.
		And many of the programs in there, you know, the VA has a homelessness program, which is essentially fraud because it's not a homelessness program.
		It is hundreds of millions of dollars they put out to nonprofits that then are tasked with the sort of murky task of housing veterans, and it's hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is there any oversight?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Very little, because the VA committees have held very few hearings.
		I had veterans essentially undercover that were truly homeless that tried doing this in 2023, could not get a dollar.
		In Washington, D.C., there's no homeless housing available for veterans, our nation's capital.
		What they'll tell you is to go to the shelter, and they say, you know, most veterans would rather be on the street than the shelter.
		So the VA homelessness program, It doesn't function, right?
		And that's just one.
		You have VR&E, which is an employment program.
		You have VA bureaucrats that have no experience with any of this stuff, electrical, law, anything, that are kind of helping veterans learn how to go get jobs.
		And then oftentimes veterans have their benefits denied.
		So VA is just Wipe for reform.
		I think they need to focus laser on letting veterans get in to see doctors and hopefully the Trump administration, the deputy assistant secretaries, will start holding oversight hearings with the House Republican Congress and really start looking at some of these things.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What do we know about some of the VA funds that were redirected for illegal immigrants?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		So I need to take a closer look at where some of these, because VA has so many different accounts.
		I know that they've taken the eye off the ball.
		Here's what I do know in terms of DEI. VA has done a lot of very sneaky little things in terms of, for example, you know, I serve with a bunch of awesome women veterans.
		Women veterans do a lot of incredible things, but the progressives kind of take little things, right?
		Like they had a campaign...
		We're not invisible, right?
		You go to any VA, Seattle, I've been there, Washington, D.C., and there's this whole main hall thing of these women veterans.
		We are not invisible.
		And it's like, to me, so again, it's that progressive, it's that progressive.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Do they do like the LGBTQ plus too?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like you walk in and see a gay flag or something?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		So, I'm glad you brought that up.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		In Seattle, they went full-blown with that, where they actually had gay pride dog tags on the side of the parking garage.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Dog tags?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Dog tags with...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like big ones or just like normal size?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Huge, extra light, bigger than that mega hat you were wearing the other day size, on the side of the parking garage.
		The reason I'm bringing it up is because of emphasis, right?
		So there's a women veterans clinic.
		Where I'm going with this is they're not invisible, but it's that sort of...
		So I think we have to get away from all that experimental stuff.
		One veterans group, a liberal one, wanted to change Lincoln's words from he who borne the battle to try to change.
		So we have to get away.
		I think President Trump has a huge opportunity, which he'll do, and get away from DEI Focus on the care of veterans.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's like that stone-tossed comic where he's got a boardroom, and they're doing a marketing meeting, and it's got two guys making out, and then it's two guys making out in a rainbow shirt, and then the guy at the end of the table says, yes, but will it sell cheeseburgers?
		And he responds...
		Cheeseburgers?
		Who's trying to sell cheeseburgers?
		It's like, well, the ad is to sell cheeseburgers, but they don't even care.
		Like, we don't think about the end goal here.
		We're just trying to push propaganda on you.
		We just want to make everything gay.
		We want to make everything woke.
		So I can't even imagine...
		Most veterans are probably conservatives.
		Obviously, there's all kinds of backgrounds from veterans, but...
		You're trying to get care, you walk into the VA, and you immediately get hit with the propaganda.
		It's like, right out of the gates, I can see that being a morale killer.
		It's like, they're not even thinking about my healthcare.
		They're putting a five foot gay dog tag in front of my face.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		When I look at all the undercover investigations, whether it's the NFL and others, that people are inside doing really progressive stuff and they get caught, if some of those guys like James O'Keefe ever did an undercover thing with the VA, it would blow the country's entire mind what's going on inside of it.
		You walk in the VA in Washington, D.C., no uniforms, t-shirts, backwards hats.
		It's ridiculous.
		And that's our nation's capital.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Now, is that just because it's a government-run institution and it's just you can't get fired?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think it has a lot to do with doing the bare minimum, being able to sufficiently look a certain way.
		And you can get into workforce issues of, well, it's hard to hire, this, that, but it's culture.
		And when Secretary McDonald came in, he was supposed to be the big Procter& Gamble guy under Obama.
		They had employees wearing iCare stickers.
		If you have to wear a sticker that says, I care, I mean, maybe actually just do it, you know, experientially actually do the work.
		So, you know, VA has certain, it's the largest healthcare system, I believe, in the world, in the United States.
		It trains medical care.
		But here's the problem, and here's what Trump's going to be able to do.
		He's going to be able to put the veteran at the very front of that line.
		Because somewhere along the lines, it became the unions, it became the contractors, the healthcare apparatus, and we sort of are like the...
		Training for them.
		It should be about veterans that served in war and President Trump got a lot done his last go around with the VA and I'm actually excited to see what's gonna happen this next four years.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I think one of the easiest things is just give them an option.
		You can go to the VA or you can go find your own healthcare provider.
		I mean, that forces competition, and it gives the veteran a choice.
		I mean, it's really, that is the first thing he should probably do.
		Do you think that's the first thing he should do?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So, when we have community care, so it exists, but we need to make sure that you're able to access it.
		That's the whole buzzword, is access, access, access, is you can be able to go and see a pulmonologist, and you have veterans that have a hard time getting their prescription.
		So, VA... If you ever want to look at what government healthcare is or what universal healthcare is, you got to look at the VA because that's how it is.
		So I think that, you know, again, they've got the Congress.
		This first go around is going to be good to be able to get them the funding they need, put in conservative leaders in there, because the last four years have just been a complete disaster.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I want to take calls from veterans on this issue or anything else we've discussed today with Chris in studio.
		877-789-2539.
		In fact, guys, let's just reset the lines.
		I'm sorry to the people that have been hold that we didn't get on, but we want to take veterans calls now.
		So we're resetting the lines.
		877-789-2539.
		If you're a veteran, give us a call.
		Just let us know what branch of the military you're out of.
		You know, here's another situation.
		We talk about it some.
		Probably doesn't get addressed enough.
		But that's veteran morale.
		And maybe on the extreme side of that, veteran suicide.
		Now, if you're a struggling veteran and you are already maybe going through some mental issues or you're going through some social issues, whatever, and now you got this health issue.
		And so you want to go to the VA and you want to get some help.
		You want to be treated fairly.
		You want to be treated with dignity and respect.
		And you show up and you don't get any of that.
		Well, imagine the trauma that can cause, or imagine what that can do to your already depleted morale when you go through that.
		I mean, do you think that, could there be a level of responsibility there when it comes to veteran suicide, where they just don't even, they think, hey, these are institutions that are supposed to be taking care of us.
		It's like, I don't get the respect seemingly anywhere all the time.
		Now I go to the places that are supposed to be for us, and I don't even get treated with dignity and respect anymore.
		How much do you think that plays into our ridiculously high rates of veteran suicide?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		I think it does play in it.
		President Washington started it off at the very beginning, was saying if we don't take care of veterans, it's going to affect the extent to future parties are going to want to serve in our military.
		We see how we we rate ourselves of how we treated veterans.
		And there have been different areas in American history where there have been varying degrees to that.
		But, you know, a good friend of mine, Zach, I've committed suicide within the last three weeks.
		He was a veteran.
		He was a very distinguished guy.
		He did a lot of advocacy in Washington, D.C. And like many veterans, people struggle with mental health issues.
		But you're right.
		You need to be able to get in, get that treatment, and also be looked at as an individual holistically.
		The VA budget, I believe, is now tipping $362 billion.
		It's the second largest agency.
		If we're not doing great, What's our excuse?
		So I think we've gotta look at that.
		We've gotta make sure that the feedback comes in.
		President Trump was in there last time.
		We had more of an open mechanism, a call in line, things like that.
		And I'm optimistic things are gonna get a little bit better, but you're right.
		And it's just culture.
		Every interaction should just be like, good morning, sir.
		Good morning, man.
		Certain basic things.
		You go to the VA in Washington, D.C., it is like walking onto the set of a Quentin Tarantino movie.
		It really is.
		It is a weird place with some individuals that should not be employed by the federal government.
		So we got a lot of work to do the next four years, but I'm confident the new administration is going to be able to make those bold changes just like they did last go around.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And you think there's got to be a way...
		And, you know, hiring, finding good help, right?
		Okay, that's always a challenge.
		But you think there's got to be a way to find employees at a VA that care about veterans.
		I mean, it can't be, you know what I mean?
		It's like it can't be that hard, even if it's veterans, even if you're hiring veterans themselves.
		Right.
		I mean, there's how can it be hard?
		Because Americans love veterans, or at least they love to stand and cheer at the ballgame.
		You know, hey, we got a veteran in the sand.
		Everybody stands and cheers.
		Everybody loves on them.
		Why is it hard to find that at the VA?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of good people in the VA, and they do hire veterans.
		And I think, again, it's a leadership issue.
		And in my personal opinion, I think it's AFG, it's the American Federation of Government Employees.
		They've just gotten so involved in workforce issues and the hierarchy of the workforce and the way employees are rated and graded.
		I think it just gets away from that sort of customer.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, very bureaucratic.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		A hundred percent.
		They're doing too much.
		I mean, if you wanted to get into the VA homelessness program, first you go to this rapid response referral office, this federal office that's off-site to go and talk to people.
		And they basically would be like, if you have 10 cents in your pocket, we're not going to help you.
		And remember, every one of those people is a federal worker getting a federal salary.
		And the veteran is like at the end of it, like having to, so again, it's the way in which it functions.
		And the Congress, here's the challenge of Congress too.
		There's a problem with runaway government is it gets so big you can't oversee it.
		You can't have enough hearings to cover all this stuff.
		The VA in many cases during the Frankly, the whole time, the last 15 years I've been doing advocacy.
		The VA has a hard time responding to congressional letters in time because there's so many.
		So Congress writes a letter, I need to understand this program.
		How many veterans have utilized this?
		And in some administrations, they've sort of flicked their nose at them like, eh, we're busy.
		So again, it's that culture of sort of unionized.
		It was bad under Obama.
		It was really bad under President Obama.
		And there's gonna be a lot of opportunities for President Trump to get it back onto caring for the veteran, allowing you to get into community care, and put the onus on the government to explain why they can't do so.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So obviously there's veterans that they have all kinds of different health issues, whether it's mental, physical, all kinds of different things they might be dealing with.
		And I've spoken to other groups too, and these are just like private endeavors of veterans that will start kind of mission groups or like men's groups.
		How many veterans do you think maybe just go to the VA because they want someone to talk to?
		How many veterans do you think might just be lonely and they just want somebody to talk to at the VA? That's a great point.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		A lot.
		You know, VA's put a lot of money into advertisements.
		Some, in the case of buses, has come to VA health care.
		Like attracting veterans into VA health care.
		But like to your point, if you attract veterans to VA health care and then they access it, they need to be able to get the kind of services they need.
		And they may need to talk to a counselor that understands, or a veteran counselor.
		And they have done that in the past.
		They've leveraged it.
		And what I've seen in my experience is, there's a saying in the VA community that if you've seen one VA, you've seen one VA. Is that it's different.
		So some VAs are strong and others are weaker with that.
		It's called peer mentorship.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's like the- Sounds like DC is like the worst of them.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Look, the Washington DC VA Medical Center I believe is If an undercover report were done on it, it would be a complete scandal.
		The things are getting away.
		There was an old director that was corrupt and he got kind of run out.
		And then it's hard to fire them.
		It's not like regular America where you do something wrong and then you actually get held accountable or that the public comes after you.
		You are just in there, and you're protected.
		You've got the Merit System Protection Board.
		I mean, it's really, it's kind of crazy to think about.
		I mean, you had doctors going into surgeries drunk, and they're caught, and the OIG issues all these reports.
		It's basically like a scandal newspaper, and nothing gets done.
		So under President Trump, we had the VA Accountability Act.
		It's easier to fire bad employees.
		I think VA felt a little bit on guard, under the spotlight.
		And over the last four years, it's been The PR people, the DEI, and none of my friends, they serve a multi-racial unit, no one likes the DEI. It doesn't do anything but cause so division.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I can't...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Drunk during surgeries?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, reporting.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is that not a criminal?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		It is, and these things should be prosecuted.
		In some cases, they could be.
		There were a lot of bad things.
		You remember the Phoenix scandal in 2014?
		A lot of reforms took place after that.
		And we haven't even gotten into the future of healthcare, too.
		You know, I've got some clients that have been very generous and philanthropic and have donated millions of dollars for, for example, stem cell treatments for veterans.
		Some of the most...
		Intense stuff.
		We know it works.
		We know it's healthy.
		The FDA still hasn't approved culturing and expanding stem cells.
		These are things the VA should be looking into in the future that the FDA still has to approve.
		And so my thing is with the philanthropy community, we have some good nonprofits out there.
		But a lot of them are still part of the status quo.
		Send the veterans to the ball game, send the veterans.
		My thing is, why don't we teach veterans how to be multi-million dollar producing CEOs?
		Why don't we get veterans stem cell treatments?
		So those are some of the things I'm gonna be working on in 2025 with the administration, with the philanthropic community, is getting veterans The ability to pursue stem cell treatments offshore to heal serious critical injuries and be able to utilize community care that they're eligible for.
		And if I have to go back to Congress, I will and lobby on these things.
		But I think we're going to be off to a running head start with the administration.
		I feel I'm very excited about what's to come the next four years.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, imagine you want to talk about a culture of failing and not getting fired.
		I mean, look at John Kirby in the Afghanistan pullout.
		Should have been fired the day after.
		Look at Mayorkas, 20 million illegals crossing the border.
		He still gets his job.
		I mean, it's crazy.
		So when that's the culture in D.C., pfft, get away with anything.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Well, I punted on your question earlier about the illegal, because I want to make sure I get this, I want to find where the funds, I want to get the accounts and tie that up.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		But illegal immigrants absolutely have been prioritized over veterans, because you can't have, in my opinion, you can't have one homeless veteran in America with Well, I mean, see, and that's not even what I was talking to.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I was talking to the headlines and the big scandal that happened probably a year or so ago, but that's a totally different level.
		I mean, there are veterans, I mean, obviously homeless veterans, it's a well-known issue people talk about, but You can come over from any country in the world, and you're gonna get put up in a hotel in New York City, three hot meals a day.
		I mean, it's just insane.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's the thing is, you know, these numbers about homeless veterans are weird, too.
		They're all over the place.
		And I know for a fact that there's a site in Phoenix that U.S. Vets, it's a nonprofit, puts on.
		Back to Quentin Tarantino movie.
		It's a condemned hotel.
		It's like a prison.
		I've been there, too.
		And I've got some journalists do some work on this.
		It is very rundown.
		They do feed you three times a day, and they allegedly have sort of like job training services, but it is very blighted.
		It's in a very dodgy part of town on Grand Avenue.
		They consider that veterans homeless housing, right?
		So they check the boxes.
		If you gave Elon Musk or any business person the budget the VA has, we could be picking up homeless veterans.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's so crazy to me.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		And taking them to a five-star hotel for 365 days a year, it's not a priority, Owen.
		It's backdoor socialism.
		It looks like we're going to hear the veteran.
		The veteran is the magnet for the goodwill, and the bureaucracy mismanages everything to the extreme.
		And then every four years, when a new administration comes in and sees how much of a mess it is, they have to work the next four years.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And then you get as many hands in the pot as possible.
		By the time they're all out of the pot, there's only so much left for the veterans.
		All right, let's start taking calls here.
		Let's go to Tim, Navy veteran in Colorado.
		Tim, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Hey, man.
		Like, I'm just calling because, like, I wanted to call in earlier about the H-1B, but now that y'all talking about the VA, the VA is trash, and it's been my whole life.
		You know, my grandpa, he suffered with the Agent Norm back in Vietnam, and, like, it took him until he was, like, 65 to get, like, proper treatment for that.
		And then, like, I went and tried to apply at the VA so many times, and they just gave me the wrong number.
		They just gave me the wrong number.
		One time I got the life alert hotline from them when they was trying to hook me up with someone to talk about disability.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You ever heard a story like that before, Chris?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		You know, there have been a lot of issues with access, various access-related issues, but that should be the absolute simplest of it.
		You know, every VA has...
		Tim, they have...
		Eligibility, essentially, which should be outside the ER in most centers.
		You should be able to report in there and talk to them about eligibility and get access there.
		And I wouldn't encourage this if it's routine, but the veteran has the suicide prevention hotline.
		There are veterans that have called there to get access to healthcare.
		And I think if you can't get healthcare, there's nothing wrong with calling up that line and saying, this is what I need.
		They spend a lot of money on that, too, to the extent that they spend enough money for direct mail to say thank you for calling the veterans crisis line.
		So you shouldn't be able to be denied health care like that.
		And I would recommend calling eligibility and going to the local VSO, Veterans Service Organization, and pound on their door about that.
		The VFW and the American Legion, they should be all over this.
		That's their job, and they should be doing it.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, brother, I'll be trying, but don't nobody want to help.
		Like, they all act like they want to help, but then they don't.
		So I really don't know how to fix that.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Well, shoot me an email.
		Owen put out my information.
		He'll put it out again at the end of the show.
		Email me through my website.
		It'll come to my Gmail.
		And go to nywemgroup.com.
		It's the company I use most for veteran-related stuff.
		And I'll respond to you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		We'll put that up on the screen.
		There it is, nywemgroup.com.
		That's how you spell it right there at the top of the screen.
		So yeah, they already have a contact form there on the website.
		And so you can reach out with some of these issues and I know that, and this is why I get Chris on, because I know he goes to bat for veterans on the hill, any opportunity he gets.
		And I'd imagine, we're going to take more calls at the end of this, but I'd imagine, hopefully, if Hegseth gets in, it's going to be, you're going to be, there'll be a line there.
		There'll be a direct line.
		All right, last segment, we're taking some calls from veterans.
		Chris Nyweman, studio of the Nyween Group.
		He goes to fight for veterans on the Hill.
		He's going to be busy.
		He's going to be really busy coming up, but he likes that.
		He likes staying busy.
		All right, we're going to take some calls from veterans here.
		Let's go to Brian, Army veteran in Texas.
		Brian, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		This is just an update.
		I was Brian from Connecticut, now in Texas.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So did you officially make the move?
unidentified		Oh, I did.
		The last time I called, I was already in Texas.
		I was homeless in Connecticut, and I tried to be there, and they sucked.
		They didn't want to hear anything.
		So I moved to Texas knowing I was going to be homeless here, but I'd rather be homeless here where everyone carries a gun.
		I'm not bringing my Connecticut liberal views with me, believe me.
		Anyways.
		Any homeless veterans in Texas should not be.
		You go to Texas Workforce or VetStar, and they will hook you up.
		I was homeless here for about a month, living in a Walmart parking lot, and I'm now in a hotel for the past couple weeks, and I'm hopefully moving into my apartment on Monday.
		VetStar is amazing.
		They care about their veterans in Texas, that's for sure.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is great to hear a success story.
		Chris and I were kind of talking in the break about how, you know, you tend to hear about the bad stories more.
		And that's fine because you want to eliminate it.
		You don't want to hear about it ever.
		But it's nice to hear an actual success story.
		Chris, are you familiar with VetStar?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		So I'm presuming this is one of the nonprofit partners that would...
		Be involved in this.
		And the federal government is, in many cases, providing funds for those.
		And again, I don't know if this is a state-funded, the charitable match or what the funding structure is.
		But it sounds like if they're doing it, that's what they do.
		They're not focused on other missions as well, which the VA obviously has different sections of veterans' health care they deal with.
		But it's good to hear that they're doing that.
		And Texas, heavy veteran population, heavy veteran services.
		That's good to hear.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Brian, if there are any other veterans in Texas or homeless veterans, where did you get the help you needed again?
unidentified		Well, another homeless person, a non-veteran, a friend told me about the Texas workforce.
		I started there, and once I checked off the veteran status, they were all over it, like stink on you-know-what.
		They got me hooked up with VetStar, and they took it from there.
		They care.
		It's all about God's will.
		My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has hooked me up.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Good.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great to hear.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And were you able to also get employment?
unidentified		I'm working part-time, which pays the three bills I have, my car payment, insurance, and cell phone.
		But I need a full-time job.
		I've been applying.
		My resume is impeccable.
		I don't know why no one's hiring me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'd ask you how you feel about the H-1B visa, but I probably have a good idea.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't like that at all.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		There was one other thing I wanted to say.
		Oh, I hooked up with a...
		God sent me to Texas and I didn't know why.
		Now I know why.
		The Lubbock, Texas homeless situation is rampant.
		And I used to be a pastry chef in my past, so I hooked up with a homeless shelter and I'm going to start, once I get my apartment with an actual proper kitchen, I'm going to start making baked goods and just donating them to...
		Whoever.
		Veterans, homeless shelters.
		I love baking, and I just assume give it away.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a great story, and I hope, I assume, I will hear from you again, Brian.
		Thank you for that call.
		Let's go to James, Air Force veteran in Indiana.
		James, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		What do you call McDonald's rats?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What do you call McDonald's rats?
unidentified		Yep.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'll let you handle this one, Chris.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Want to take a stab at that?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like an LSAT question.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		James, give us the multiple choice answers.
unidentified		I'll give you the answer.
		What do you call McDonald's rants?
		They're called McSnitches.
		Anyways.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		On to the VA news.
		The Florida VA is kidnapping veterans and abusing the Baker's Act to hold veterans over as one committed suicide.
		Georgia VA is looking to having a waitlist scandal.
		At the very last, the Tennessee VA is having orgies instead of helping veterans.
		I think the VA is on to something.
		Maybe instead of handing out pills that cause suicide, maybe they should give out handjobs or the old Canadian tugs so veterans aren't so cranky.
		Doctor, I need two nurses for this veteran.
		Aye, aye, Captain.
		This segment is brought to you by the 1776 Testosterone Boost, proud sponsor of Federal Orgies.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with all these scandals James just brought up?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		First, I'll tell you what.
		I'm glad he brought up the Baker's Act because I have seen a lot of it.
		I wrote an op-ed called Veterans Gun Rights.
		It was in The Hill.
		This is in 2016. Veterans Gun Rights Being Taken Away Without Due Process.
		If anyone wants to look that up, the NRA ended up putting it out everywhere.
		And it was true.
		They were taking veterans gun rights away without any type of hearing or anything just because they were in this separate fiduciary program.
		The Baker's Act, I think...
		Again, it all comes down to case by case.
		I've had veterans.
		I had a veteran, one of my good friends at the high school with him.
		He had a dispute with his girlfriend.
		The police were called.
		There was no crime.
		There was no nothing.
		And they sent a SWAT team to his house.
		It was crazy.
		He wasn't even home.
		He wasn't even home at the time, which is kind of a funny story.
		He was actually in class, but he pretended to be home.
		So he was like, you guys look kind of tired out there, which he shouldn't have probably provoked him.
		But it was all because of just false information.
		The Baker's Act, they try to put you under, and he didn't get Baker's Act.
		They tried to apply it to him.
		But others where you're put under there, and now your rights are diminished.
		And we also see this.
		With probate as well.
		Veterans are very vulnerable for probate.
		Probate in this country is basically a criminal syndicate that no one talks about where judges and attorneys kind of I'm glad you brought that up because that brings in a whole new list of We're good to
		So, yeah, it's culture, it's local.
		There should be none of that stuff happening in any sort of VA.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		We pay too much money for it. - How does a Baker's Act get applied?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like what is it, if you go and you say something about mental health and then they flag you or what? - Baker's Act gets into mental health and it gets, and every state's different, right?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		So like you have, for example, like in Illinois, the Illinois General Assembly passed a law that if you see any impatient mental health care, you lose your gun rights for five years.
		But here's the even more fun part of it.
		There's an efficacy issue.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But imagine how many people you're turning away just from a policy.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		So that you're discouraging.
		I mean, that's duh!
		You're discouraging healthcare.
		Then if you get it, they don't actually take your gun, though, because it's the state police and they're ineffective.
		So if you were a threat, so if you're not a threat, you lose your rights.
		If you are a threat, they don't enforce it.
		It's ridiculous.
		This is where government is.
		This is where when Democrats talk about, like, you have to do something, and then they pass laws that make things often worse.
		That's why, like, you don't have to look at what's really going on with any policy, right?
		It's like, well, you're too cowardly to ask.
		Well, if acting involves writing a law that just, the tax code's a million words, counting regulations.
		This is where Republicans get it right.
		It's like, let's focus on people, and let's make things more simple, more understandable, so that the government doesn't always have to issue publication number X just to explain to you.
		What the benefit is.
		So in the context of Baker Act, it gets into that mental health, that threat, and then it applies all of these other, this whole menu of state laws.
		And look, every law has its place.
		But again, we started getting this generic space where, and then veterans also, oh, we're going to take your firearm away.
		Well, veterans still deserve a constitutional right, and if they're not a threat.
		So again, it's case by case.
		I think we need to have more education.
		But for $369 billion, you know, We could do better.
		You'd think.
		And look, I'll put this out here.
		That holistic stuff is good.
		Journaling, horseback riding, exercise.
		Exercise, scientifically meant to make you healthier.
		Avoiding sugar.
		I mean, some of this we have to do ourselves, but society really has programmed people to kind of be unhealthy.
		And the VA, frankly, should be getting more into that holistic health.
		But, of course, we know big pharma.
		We know the drugs.
		If I wanted to go to the VA today and get a prescription, I could have this whole table...
		Full with VA prescriptions.
		They'll do it because they push that.
		But we have to also be critical thinkers.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But like a diet or exercise routine?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They'll look at you like you've got four eyes.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		We can maybe refer you out to a holistic, and they never do.
		VA has certain authorities that they don't follow through because they're guided by the signaling of the unions and the...
		SES employees.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to Shannon, Navy veteran in Florida.
		Shannon, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		How's it going?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Good.
		Hey, you had a first call around earlier.
		And after serving 12 and a half years in the Navy, it took me 15 years to get health care through the VA. And it only took me walking into Slidell VA Clinic A small clinic in Slidell, Louisiana.
		And the lady looked at me and she goes, why haven't you had service?
		You've been out, whatever, 15 years?
		Stroke of a pen.
		And I've had VA medical coverage since.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		And that's a classic example.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw you shaking your head like you've heard.
unidentified		Right, I think it's just maybe personnel.
unidentified		Also, somebody's not doing their job.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		No, Shannon, I'm glad you're mentioning this because you know what?
		This goes right back to you've seen one VA, you've seen one VA. Because so someone there was confident, understood, that was eligibility that they put you in.
		And I think that a lot of veterans, and I've been doing this pro bono for years, you know, if anyone just wants to email, only put it out, email me for VA benefits, email me.
		There's someone I know.
		He won't charge any veterans.
		He's a Gulf War veteran.
		He's the best in the entire country, and no one knows who he is.
		He's just the best of the country at understanding and explaining to veterans how VBMS works in this.
		You got to get in.
		You got to get your health care.
		And for some veterans that have had serious critical injuries or what they call 100% PNT, if you achieve that status of PNT, you have a guaranteed income for life.
		They can't take it away.
		It's not taxable.
		And it also opens up a whole host of other benefits you'd be eligible for.
		And for the gentleman earlier, and for anyone that's ever faced homelessness, I've faced some issues in my lifetime too with intermittent homelessness and things.
		You'll never be homeless because that guaranteed income cannot be taken away.
		There's a variety of ways you can become in bad financial shape and you can't count on the government to do it.
		So I'm glad to hear about that anecdote of going in to eligibility.
		There are good people inside the VA and a lot of There's a lot of veterans that watch InfoWars and understand, but a lot that don't.
		And there's a lot of different eligibility periods.
		I served in the U.S. Army Reserve, but I was combat deployed, so I was deployed.
		Some veterans are not in certain eligibility periods.
		So again, this is where education comes in, in terms of what areas are eligible and just being able to use the benefits you can.
		And every state has the state Veterans Affairs.
		Some are better than others.
		Illinois has got a lot of problems.
		I give Illinois one thing.
		They had an Illinois Veterans Grant, which is a state waiver for state tuition, which I'd encourage veterans to take advantage of.
		So look, on paper, we do a great job of taking care of veterans.
		The people do a great job of taking care of veterans.
		But the federal government needs to be reminded and refocused on the mission of the VA, which is not unions.
		It's not purchasing artwork.
		It's not contractors.
		It's not training doctors.
		It's serving veterans.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Purchasing artwork.
		That sounds like a specific story.
		When you go to the Hill to lobby on behalf of veterans, the actual veterans, do you...
		Because you said it's like war.
		Do you see...
		Are there other people lobbying Congress to basically get their hand in the pot?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		So I founded Arsenal Government Public Affairs Group, which is going to be doing a whole bunch of lobbying across all kinds of stuff, aviation, munitions, defense policy.
		The veteran stuff I've mostly done pro bono.
		I've done it as a sort of giving back thing because I did come from the VSO community.
		I worked at Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, and I worked at Windward Project back in the day.
		The VSOs are supposed to do this, and I think they do a really good job of standard legacy issues.
		If this government shutdown would have impacted VA disability compensation, they would have been raging.
		Their email servers would have been blown up with hundreds of thousands of hits about pension.
		Military Officers Association, which is more active duty TRICARE issues, they do good there.
		Where the VSOs aren't so good and where the agent Trump is so good, Trump 2.0, we'll say, is that he doesn't just take everything they say and go with it.
		He's more independent-minded.
		He was looking more at the private, more community care.
		VSOs didn't want community care.
		And why, Owen?
		You know why.
		They want you to be co-dependent on them.
		They want you to need them.
		They don't want you going out learning how to fish because then over time they wouldn't be able to have exorbitant fees and stuff.
		So it's not about poking anyone in the eye, but we need to have modern veterans groups.
		We need to have open source conversations like this, like InfoWars that just gets out there and talks about real issues and isn't sort of like having someone, oh, don't talk about this because the VA exists.
		For veterans.
		And you don't have to be a veteran to support veterans.
		Some of the best veteran advocates ever have been veterans.
		And some people that are veterans, John McCain, weren't pro-veteran, because he was actually against the post-anulmon GI Bill.
		He got forced into voting for it at the end, but he was actually not good on some of the VA issues because he didn't want guys like me.
		I fought a war, but then I leave.
		Well, you didn't stay in 20 years, so we're not going to give you the post-anulmon GI Bill.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Would you get in a jet with John McCain?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		You know, John McCain, I voted for him for president years ago.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's things I like, but you don't have to admit that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		We can dump that.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dump it.
		Dump it.
		You know, I was under the influence of VA medication that day.
		I actually just woke up.
		I was in a voting booth.
		I don't know what happened.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You didn't vote for Obama.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know which one, you know.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		That's what it was.
		I wasn't part of that historic thing.
		You know, my cousin told me, and he's a great kid and he's more liberal, but he's like, you missed a historic chance to vote for Obama.
		I made the historic choice to vote for somebody else.
unidentified		It's history.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Put that in there.
		But look, the VSOs have their place, but there's some ego there too.
		And like any organization, it's just sort of like, you know, Working up the totem pole, people that really want to change things and go from zero to one to create something that's never happened, do new things, challenge the status quo and learn how media works.
		And when you get real people supporting you, you're able to do things.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and again, anytime you got a pot the size of that, you said that it was $362 billion a year for the VA? Of course, people are going to be trying to reach their hands in there, and it's from all these different lobbying groups, and they just want to get their cut.
		I mean, that's how they look at it.
		But you go, you're representing veterans, and so that's the difference.
		All right, let's take another call.
		Robert in Massachusetts, a Marine.
		Robert, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Owen, pleasure.
unidentified		What's that other gentleman's name?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Chris in studio with us.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Chris, unless you work with the IRS, then I go by Jim Smith.
unidentified		Chris, I'd love to talk to you further.
		Owen, first about Trump.
		He set up the choice program where if the VA can't provide services, you have an option to go outside.
		I've had many services on the outside, so I want to thank him for setting that up.
		But there's a lot of red tape you've got to go through.
		Also, I don't know if he's aware of the VA hotline where you can drop a dime on these workers at the VA and a veteran answers the phone.
		I'm trying to get the number.
		I don't know if Chris has that number or heard of that hotline.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		I have.
		No, and President Trump had a White House hotline.
		It's good, and that's good, and I'm all for that.
		My experience with some of this stuff is, even like the Office of Inspector General, is, you know, you send something in there and it doesn't fully get investigated.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Things seem to just disappear when they get into the hands of the government.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		You know, one agency that I actually...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like IDs and phones and, you know...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I would know about that.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Office of Inspector General, they have all these reports on these specific things.
		It's like the Government Accountability Office.
		They issue these reports.
		It's just genius.
		It is everything wrong with the federal government.
		And all Congress has to do is open it, and it just gives you all your questions for the hearing.
		And a lot of times it gets overlooked.
		So I think that those hotlines are good.
		And frankly, social media, if you go on to X and you tweet at the VA, they're more likely to reach out to you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, isn't that an incredible phenomenon?
		And I think we're kind of starting to see a change here.
		And I mean, you could just point to ratings.
		Let's just say ratings.
		I bet you C-SPAN ratings are higher than they've ever been.
		So they went from like 10 people watching to maybe like 10,000 now with some of the interesting stuff.
		But we kind of still get the same thing where you talk about these OIG reports, and now people watch these hearings, but then that's where it stops.
		There's never any follow-up.
		People were watching the Secret Service hearing after the assassination attempt, and there were all kinds of things.
		We'll follow up with that.
		We'll follow up with that.
		We'll give you the answer to that.
		We'll give you the answer to this.
		Nothing!
		There's been no follow-up after that.
		There was no answers given.
		Oh, we won't get back to you.
		You never got back to anybody.
		So there's still kind of...
		We're still not over that hump yet of actually getting any results, right?
		We get the reports, we get the documents, and we can kind of see it and get through it, and the media reports on it, and then it just kind of just like, and it just stops here.
		But social media is actually kind of starting to push things over the edge.
		They don't like that public pressure.
		It's kind of like what the old guard media used to do.
		Like, if the old guard media would get a hold of a story and the big three networks would report on it, all of a sudden it was like, okay, hey, there's a lot of eyes on us.
		We've got to move this ball down the field.
		Social media is kind of starting to fill that role now.
unidentified		Absolutely.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		It's one of those things where they say, you know, Yeah, it comes to priorities.
		And it comes to that saying, if everything's a priority, nothing's a priority.
		So what are you gonna focus on?
		And then no VA, they call these VISNs, right?
		Veteran Integrated Service Network.
		They're like little confederacies, right?
		VISN this, VISN that.
		It's the gentleman earlier from Connecticut.
		They're all different, and these are kind of like the healthcare network.
		And it's not a particular story about the art.
		I brought up the artwork because during the VA scandal, chairman at the time, Jeff Miller, nice lobbyist in Washington, D.C., at a law firm.
		You know, he pointed out the budget for art.
		It's like, you know, millions of dollars.
		And it's like, again, the issue becomes when you start getting away from veterans.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are they at least buying art from veterans?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		That's a great question.
		You know, I don't know.
		Let's look at that.
		I know that they always have a portrait.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Was it a banana peel stuck to a wall?
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		No, it was fairly benign art.
		We'll say that.
		There's benign art.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'll volunteer.
		I'll do art for free for the VA right now.
		I'll save you $100 million.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Owen Schroer will do art for the VA under Trump as a Christmas donation.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		For free.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I won't charge a dime.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		But some of these buildings are beautiful, and it's unbelievable.
		And I'm not against that.
		But again, the Washington, D.C. VA Medical Center.
		It's at 50 Irving Street.
		Owen, you need to go there at some point in the next four years.
		Let's do a special.
		We need to go undercover.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Let's just say I make my way to D.C. sometime soon.
		This is actually a good idea because it goes right back into what we were saying.
		It would probably have more impact from a veteran, but I don't know.
		Maybe I'll utilize my big social media following.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		You'll be going to undercover with my next appointment, and we'll just see how it goes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You go into one of these VAs, let's say it's a bad situation.
		I mean, it's kind of like some people get...
		They'll be able to sneak a cell phone or something into a jail that just has horrible conditions, and they'll film it, it'll get out and go viral.
		Well, now all of a sudden, here comes the BOP, and they've got to take care of things.
		You could do probably the same thing at a VA. You go in there and show some of the conditions, and it's just like, oh, now all of a sudden people see what's going on, we've got to fix it.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Well, and here's the thing, too, is if you're in this 100% P&T category, you can get dental care via paper outside.
		Like, the VA, there's some good people in the VA that want to do good work.
		One of the dentists inside the VA, I asked her, because I'm always asking questions, because I want to know what's really going on.
		And she's just like, where all that money's going, sir isn't going to me.
		She's like, I have one hygienist here.
		Our nation's capital, Washington, D.C., VA Medical Center, you have one hygienist.
		Dental hygienist to support this dentist?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I go to a tiny little dentist office here in Austin, they have like five hygienists.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		And they probably don't have $386 billion, right?
		So that's where I'm going.
		I'm gonna guess no.
		The VA is just, I mean, you could take a high school political science student and just set them loose on this and just have them look at the numbers and just do a basic analysis, and it just would not make sense.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Art for free.
		I'll save you $100 million right now.
		I'll give you one piece of art per month for a whole year.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		Art, and you know, there's nothing against the artwork, but again, it is a culture of pushing psychotropic medications.
		And again, in my personal opinion, look, I have veterans that are friends in all different areas.
		I don't wear the hat.
		I don't know if I look good in hats anyways, but I don't do the silly hats.
		I don't do all that.
		I think we should be focusing more on veterans achieving their full potential, because I feel like there's often this thing of like, you know, veterans get a job, or veterans go to...
		How about turning a veteran into an entrepreneur with a $100 million net worth?
		How about teaching them about finance?
		How about teaching them about how to buy properties?
		Why are we always limiting things and putting it in this sort of like little governmental box?
		That's part of my problem with VA with VR&E is, why are VA government employees that have no experience with electrical, no experience with the law, helping veterans get jobs?
		You have no idea how the hell to do that.
		You've never done that.
		Yeah.
		I mean, it's so, under Trump, I think we're going to get more creative.
		I think we're going to be able to kind of go in there and, yeah, walk in the halls of Congress.
		You see other veterans groups and things, and I still do lobbying on some aviation-related things.
		There are some in Congress that think veterans shouldn't be able to get flight training because it's too expensive.
		And the staffer behind that one, who's ass I've been kicking for eight years in a row now, is just, well, you know, it's too expensive.
		He never served in the military.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		A civilian congressional staffer, never served in the military, trying to write policies and sneak in.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		And members of Congress have actually voted for bills where they're like, that was in there?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I tell them, and they're like- Yeah, like every time after they vote for it?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		It's just like, that was in there?
		But see, lately, I have a habit of letting them know what's in there ahead of time and then just blasting them in the media.
		And again, for anyone other that wants to ever be a lobbyist, give me a call.
		I'll train you how to do it.
		Go to the United States Senate and figure out the Senate rules because it's very, very – it's much easier to block a bill than to pass one.
		And that's one good thing the founders had really right.
		The whole Connecticut compromise thing is the power equalization is the Senate is a better place to stop stupid, dumb ideas because – All it takes is one senator to block unanimous consent, and so I've stopped a lot of stupid stuff over there.
		Sometimes before Christmas, last minute, they try to do an omnibus, and there's something stupid in there, and you get a call.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's the Christmas tree bill.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to enjoy Christmas.
christopher neiweem ▲ ● ▼		My mom can't stand me because I'm always having some, like, manic episode right around Christmas because something pops up in a bill, and I'm out.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They do it intentionally so that you don't take action.
		All right, that's Chris Nye Weem.
		We are done for the day.
		Thanks to all my guests and everybody that tuned in to this post Christmas broadcast.
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