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Democrats Urge Biden to Legalize All Illegal Immigrants and Pardon Deep State Criminals

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unidentified		The silent majority is no longer silent.
		This is The War Room with Owen Schroyer.
		Please stand by for further details.
		We return you now to your regularly scheduled program.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Ladies and gentlemen, it's Friday, December 6, 2024. This is the InfoWars War Room, live from the InfoWars World Headquarters in Austin, Texas.
		We have some breaking news as we go live today.
		Moments ago, in the Daniel Penny trial, prosecutors moved to dismiss top manslaughter charge against Daniel Penny after second notice of jury deadlock.
		So the highest charge they were pushing for 15 years has been dismissed.
		Now, they're going to be looking at other charges, but that charge has been dismissed.
		They need to dismiss all the charges, but this is a good step in the right direction.
		And it really just goes to show you, I would say, what's happening behind the scenes here with this jury.
		There are at least people in the jury that see Daniel Penny was not the bad guy.
		Daniel Penny does not belong in jail.
		But then there were others that looked at Penny, maybe for his skin color, and said, no, we want him in jail.
		But a deadlocked jury forces the highest manslaughter charge to be dropped.
		If there are any other updates before the end of today, we will let you know.
		But that will be a bit of a sigh of relief, though he is still likely to face other charges that they haven't dropped yet.
		This case should be dismissed.
		In fact, it already was dismissed before corrupt Alvin Bragg got involved.
		And now here we are.
		So we'll have some more information on that and how we got here.
		But that is breaking right now.
		You also have some other developments in the TikTok campaign.
		Remember that story?
		Well, there was a development there today.
		You have Democrats finding all different ways to legalize the illegal immigrants.
		And some of them are now requesting Joe Biden do just that before he leaves the White House.
		And now Newsom Had a press conference yesterday with some interesting things, let's say.
		He said some interesting things.
		We'll play you some of those highlights.
		You have a split in the Democrat Party right now, by the way.
		You have what can only be described as the radical left, deep state, probably corrupt Democrats.
		And then you have others that look at the Democrat Party and want to separate themselves, let's say.
		They don't want to be involved in all the hatred.
		They don't want to be involved in all of the lies and deception and corruption.
		And so they're kind of separating themselves.
		And I would, I do believe it will happen, but let's see.
		But I would wonder if this might impact some of these confirmation hearings or how it will impact.
		Because I see some of these things that senators are saying on the Democrat side, and I'm thinking, okay, well, if the Republicans won't back Hegseth, and we've got some updates on that today as well, if the Republicans won't back Hegseth, maybe there are some Democrats that will.
		Just to kind of draw that line in the sand and say, hey, I'm not one of these radical Democrats.
		I want to get the ball moving.
		Trump won.
		Let's give him his appointments.
		I wasn't one of the crazies.
		I think that that is likely to develop.
		Oh, and we're going to have some fun with some guests today.
		We're going to have some fun with the guests today.
		MLB legend John Rocker joins us in the second hour.
		And then geopolitical reporter Anya Parampil in the third hour.
		And it's a Friday.
		We haven't taken a call all week.
		So we're going to open the phone lines for you as well.
		44 days, 19 hours, and 53 minutes until Inauguration Day.
		And you know the Democrats are going to have something special planned before that.
		Maybe for January 6th.
		Maybe Peter Hotez and all his little biological weapon freaks.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I mean vaccine pushers and big pharma shills.
		They claim there's going to be a release of viruses on January 21st.
		Oh my gosh.
		Incredible.
		The day after Trump's inaugurated, there's going to be a release of viruses.
		They're going to hammer the Trump administration.
		Oh, that's not suspicious at all.
		No, it's totally normal.
		That's how viruses work.
		They have an alarm clock just like you.
		Your alarm clock wakes you up in the morning to go to work or whatever you got to do.
	And, you know, the viruses have an alarm clock set for January 21st to disrupt the Trump administration.
	Totally normal stuff.
	Totally normal stuff.
	Alright.
	We've got a great Friday show planned for you.
	The breaking news right before we go live.
	This has just broken.
	Prosecutors moved to dismiss top manslaughter charge against Daniel Penny after second notice of jury deadlock.
	The jury could not get a unanimous decision, and so the highest manslaughter charge has been dropped.
	They were pushing for 15 years.
	And now the jury is going to move on to the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide, which too should also be dropped.
	And I will explain why.
	But unfortunately leftists are still attacking Daniel Penney.
	Even though the witnesses that testified called him a hero, Explained what happened that day in detail as to why they consider him a hero.
	And the DA prior to Alvin Bragg would not pursue these charges.
	But Alvin Bragg wanted to.
	I wonder why.
	Could it be politically motivated?
	Could it be racially motivated?
	And so once again, Penny's fate will...
	Sit in the hands of the jury.
	I would say if they were deadlocked on this charge, I would guess they're likely going to be deadlocked on the lesser charge, and that will also end up being dropped or dismissed by the end of today.
	Likely not, but perhaps next week.
	But it's really...
	A story of where do we go from here?
	Do we enter this new age of civilization where you, the good guy, in any public situation, but let's go with the example of being on a subway.
	You, the good guy, are sitting on the subway and you see a bad guy.
	You see a guy acting erratically, dangerously, threatening people, maybe engaged in a violent crime.
	But you, the good guy, know that Well, gee, if I step up, if I do something, I'm going to be the one that gets in trouble.
	So instead of sticking up for maybe the elderly person that can't defend themselves, or instead of sticking up for maybe the woman that can't defend themselves, of course, you're all disarmed in New York City thanks to Democrats, you have to sit there and watch a vagrant.
	You have to sit there and watch a deranged maniac harass, intimidate, abuse, Maybe even assault innocent people.
	That is, if the precedent is set with Daniel Penny.
	And of course, that's what the liberals want.
	That's what the Democrats want.
	They've created this environment.
	They've created this culture.
	And it certainly doesn't help that Daniel Penny's skin is white.
	Because they don't like that either, do they?
	No, they certainly don't want a white man standing up and being the good guy and being the hero.
	Even though that's what one of the eyewitnesses had to say.
	That's right.
	He's a hero, said the passenger, who's lived in New York City for more than 50 years.
	A retiree who witnessed Marine veteran Daniel Penney Choke an erratic homeless man on the train, called him a hero, and slammed District Attorney Alvin Bragg for prosecuting him.
	The witness, who described herself as a woman of color, said it was wrong for Bragg to charge Penny with second-degree manslaughter.
	Quote, it was self-defense, and I believe in my heart that he saved a lot of people that day that could have gotten hurt.
	Jordan Neely was suffering from mental illness, stormed onto the F train at about 2.30 p.m., screaming and threatening passengers, the eyewitness said.
	Quote, I'm sitting on a train reading my book, and all of a sudden I hear someone spewing this rhetoric.
	He said, I don't care if I have to kill an F, I will.
	I'll go to jail, I'll take a bullet.
	Recalled the woman, the eyewitness, in her 60s.
	So, obviously, Daniel Penny was not trying to kill anyone that day.
	Much like the officers in the George Floyd case were not trying to kill him.
	It's an unfortunate outcome of a bad situation where somebody who is deranged and out of their mind and on drugs and unhealthy...
	Is out in public, behaving in an uncouth, unseemly manner.
	And breaking the law.
	And then here come the Democrats to glorify the lawbreaker.
	Here come the Democrats to glorify the deranged person.
	Threatening people.
	Intimidating people.
	Harassing people.
	Even known for that type of behavior.
	Specifically in the Neely Penny case.
	And here come the Democrats to take a good man down.
	Here come the Democrats to make an example of a good guy because they believe it will score them political points or race war points.
	And so that's what they do.
	So there won't be justice here until all the charges are dropped against Penny.
	And if you're a woman out there and you ride the subway or public transportation or just like to walk alone sometimes, you're an elderly person, feel you can't defend yourself in some circumstances, you should be very interested in the outcome of this case.
	Now, of course, this would never happen in a Republican district.
	It would never happen there.
	But the word will get out, and the word was already out.
	Neely, who had a history of this type of behavior on the train, knew he could go on there and act in this manner because nothing ever happened to him.
	Because people were scared.
	Well now, the liberals in New York are up to their disgusting behavior again.
	Disturbing Daniel Penny posters plastered across New York subway car as trial verdict looms.
	And so you can see here, they have these stickers that they've posted over all of the ad space on the trains.
	And it says, a man was lynched here.
	This is so ridiculous.
	And then it has the name Jordan Neely.
	Again, the outcome for Neely is tragic.
	No one is denying that.
	But Jordan Neely is in public, on the train, acting erratically and harassing people, talking about how he'll kill, how he'll take a bullet.
	According to eyewitnesses, he said he didn't care.
	The eyewitnesses called Penny the hero.
	They don't care.
	Neely is their hero.
	The outcome for Neely was tragic.
	Why not use this moment to raise awareness for mental disorders?
	Why not use this moment to raise awareness against drug abuse?
	So that you don't have somebody like Neely who's clearly not in his right mind Roaming around in public, putting himself and others in danger.
	No, instead, they take it further.
	And they say he was lynched.
	And they put these signs all over the subway trains.
	They're disgusting people.
	And this is why we can never have any real conversations.
	And this is why we can never have any real solutions.
	Because the left wing...
	Of this country is broken.
	It is broken.
	And the Democrat Party, which represents it, takes advantage of their broken people and deceives them and tricks them and controls them and brainwashes them all for their vote.
	So that they can stay in power.
	And so instead of having a rational, civilized society that deals in common sense and reasoning that says this is a tragic outcome.
	It's sad for Neely.
	This was an unwell man.
	Something should have been done to help him.
	What can we do in the future to help people that are struggling like Neely?
	But Penny was a hero that day, according to the eyewitnesses.
	And unfortunately for Neely, this was probably long overdue that somebody step in and subdue him.
	No, we can't have that conversation.
	Instead, enters the radical left, enters the brainwashed, mentally ill left, and they say he was lynched.
	So we can't have a real conversation.
	We can't look for real solutions.
	We have to sit here and deal in the world of nonsense.
	By the way, I'm just...
	You know, this is the type of people that we're talking about here.
	I want to try to find this story in my stack of news.
unidentified		Okay.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The feds...
		Are investigating a Democrat...
		Here it is.
		FBI arrests Boston City Councilor Tanya Fernandez Anderson on public corruption charges.
		A big-time BLM activist.
		A big-time leftist progressive Democrat activist.
		You know the type.
		The type that goes and puts up a sign on the New York City subway that says a man was lynched here, Jordan Neely.
		Well...
		She has been under investigation by the federal authorities and FBI agents were seen outside her home this morning as she was taken into custody.
		Even the corrupt Boston Mayor Michelle Wu is calling on her to resign.
		The Democrat lawmaker is facing five counts of wire fraud and one count of theft concerning programs receiving federal funds.
		Court filing by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts says.
		Can you imagine if this was a Republican city councilor?
unidentified		Bye.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't need to go any further on that line of questioning.
		But this is what we deal with with the radical left, and it's frustrating.
		And I hope we don't have to deal with this much longer.
		I hope that we can finally treat these radical left liberal progressives that have gyrating dance parties in the women's restroom where they invite men to stick it to Republican lawmakers who don't want men competing in women's sports, who don't want male genitalia in the women's bathroom.
		By the way, they're out protesting at the Capitol yesterday.
		Are they going to be arrested?
		Were they arrested like me?
		I'm standing quietly with a piece of tape over my mouth.
		I get arrested.
		They're out there screaming and shouting.
		Here it is, clip 11. So why do we even have signs on bathrooms?
		Somebody tell me.
		Somebody answer this question for me.
		I'm baffled.
		Why do we have male or female or man or woman signs on bathrooms?
		Can somebody tell me why?
		I don't understand.
		It's bigotry.
		It's bigotry to have a sign that says man or woman bathroom, right?
		So why do we have them?
		Why have they been there forever?
		Why are they always there?
		Why is it the law to put them there?
		So they send men into bathrooms at the Capitol.
		They have people outside Congress men and women's offices screaming, shouting, bitching and complaining because a man can't go into the woman's bathroom.
		Are they arrested?
		No!
		This is the insanity.
		These are not serious people.
		We should not take them seriously.
		They want to act like children.
		They need to be dealt with like children.
		You're grounded.
		You're going to be punished.
		You're going to be disciplined.
		But no, we sit here and we treat them like mentally ill people that you can't touch.
		And that's because of this political correct game that they play.
		You're a racist.
		You're a homophobe.
		You're a transphobe.
		And so we're scared to do what actually needs to be done.
		And so what happens?
		Do you get a Jordan Neely on the subway train?
		Or would you like to see what was captured on the subway train this morning?
		Would ya?
		Oh, just a homeless bum taking a nap.
		Wakes up from his nap.
		Says he's gotta take a leak.
		So just does it right there on the train!
		Nice!
		Just decides to take out his male genitalia and take a pee right there on the train while it's moving.
		Doesn't even get up!
		Doesn't even bother to get up, doesn't even bother to go to a corner, nothing.
		Just stays horizontal, taking a nap on the bench, and just takes a link.
		And God forbid somebody step up and say something.
		God forbid somebody decide to pick him up and toss him off the train.
		God forbid!
		Don't want to be a racist, don't want to be a bigot, don't want to be a lyncher.
		And so that's what you get now.
		When can we get back to civilized society?
		When can we get back to dealing in common sense?
		Rational, reasonable decision-making without having to deal with these petulant, petty children known as liberal progressives so that we can actually advance society and live in a first-world country again?
		Because I'm sick and damn tired of it.
		And guess what?
	Most people are sick and damn tired of it.
	And that's why the witnesses...
	To the Neely-Penny incident are all siding with Penny.
	But you get one or two racist jurors in there that hate white people, they're not going to let this thing go.
	They're not going to give a not guilty verdict.
	They got to get that white man.
	It's their moment.
	The Democrats have told them, this is your moment.
	This is your moment of retribution.
	The white man owes you.
	The white man has kept you down.
	This is your opportunity to stick it back to him.
	So we can't advance.
	We can't come together.
	And we have to sit here in this retard land where you're in the Capitol today and there's men in the women's bathrooms with signs that say flush bathroom bigotry.
unidentified		Wow.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
		You're on the New York City subway and there's a dude taking a nap, peeing on your foot.
		Cool.
unidentified		Cool.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		New York City.
unidentified		People are done with it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And the truth is, this is beyond a political issue, but I guess there's a political solution to everything.
		When you have judges and district attorneys that are radical leftists like you deal with in this country, it's part of the problem.
		And the Penny case is a prime example.
		Should have never been in a courtroom.
		Shouldn't be spending this time in jail.
		Shouldn't be facing these charges.
		It's a sad outcome.
		It's not worthy of celebrating.
		Nobody's celebrating Neely's death.
		It's tragic.
		But that doesn't mean we destroy an innocent man's life over it.
		We reflect on what happens.
		But we just can't do it.
		We just can't do it.
		And we can't even sit here.
		And now we have to sit here and have a discussion about who gets to use what bathroom.
		Like I'm in kindergarten again.
		That's what this is like.
		Being in kindergarten.
		Where it's like, ooh, we're going to sneak into the girls' bathroom and do like a paper towel bomb or something.
		And run out of there.
		Ooh, we're going to sneak into the girls' bathroom and I'm going to stand up and pee in the toilet.
unidentified		Ha ha ha!
unidentified		Wee!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm in kindergarten again.
		That's what this is.
		This is kindergarten level maturity that we have to deal with now.
		I hope there's a way out of it.
		I really do.
		Because I don't want us to live in a country that has to deal with this crap much longer.
		All of these people, and you know what?
		Fine.
		They get a First Amendment right, but a man going into the woman's bathroom, you know what?
		You can arrest that guy.
		Sorry.
		Go ahead.
		And these people all should have been detained, kicked out of the Capitol, and given a 24-hour ban.
		That's the protocol.
		That's what should have been done.
		But they're liberals and they're trans and they're gay and they're black.
		So you're not allowed to touch them.
		And God forbid if somebody does.
		God forbid if a Marine.
		God forbid if a white man steps up and takes out the trash.
		He's facing years in prison.
		And these delusional, arrested development, clown world adult children are now dictating where our civilization goes.
		I'm over it.
		You're over it.
		Most of the country is over it.
		Now we need reform in the courts.
		And then that will help us lead to cultural reform.
		But as long as these radical leftists are involved in the court process and the legal process...
		It's going to be tough, folks.
		It's going to be tough.
		But one jury, one juror, one juror can right a serious wrong.
		And that might be the case with Penny.
		But I bet it's more than one.
		I bet it's likely the other way.
		I bet it's one or two that just hate Penny.
		And they're the ones that refuse to declare it not guilty.
		We got more from the crazy Democrats and their plan to legalize all illegals.
		And just pardon everybody.
		Biden should just pardon anybody with a D behind their name.
		That's basically where they're going now.
		So legalize all illegals, pardon all Democrats.
		Democrat Senator urges Biden to extend protections for all illegal immigrants before Trump becomes president.
		Senator Catherine Cortez Masto is a deranged lunatic liberal.
		She cares more about non-citizens, foreign citizens, criminal aliens than she does her own constituents.
		Here she is bragging about it in clip eight.
unidentified		The president has the legal ability to do this.
		These countries that you just talked about already, really, they're horrific conditions.
		Hold on a second.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Pause it there.
		Let's rewind that.
		Did you hear what she just said?
		The president has the legal ability to do this.
		The president has the legal ability to declare all foreigners citizens of the United States.
		That's what she's arguing.
		Is that somewhere in the Constitution?
		Where do non-citizens have any right to citizenship?
		Where do foreigners have any rights to our country and its benefits?
		Of course they don't, but that's now the Democrat calling card is.
		Oh!
		The president can just declare every citizen on earth legal.
		So just come on in.
		And it's an open border and a welfare state.
		Hey, how's that going to do for the economy?
		Unbelievable.
		This is a Democrat senator saying everybody on the whole planet should be considered legal and we should have an open border and a welfare state.
		Okay, go ahead.
		Play the clip.
unidentified		The president has the legal ability to do this.
		These countries that you just talked about already, really, they're horrific conditions.
		They satisfy what we have passed in Congress.
		Pause it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		These countries, horrific conditions.
		Oh, you mean like America and capitalism, the Bill of Rights, Constitution, 1776?
		You mean that worked?
		You mean that's good?
		You mean everything?
		So America's great now.
		So these third world countries and communist countries, and by the way, all these countries that are receiving our money, billions of dollars we send to these countries, So that things won't be so horrific.
		And they won't be homeless and poor and no infrastructure and hungry.
		And we send them all this money in foreign aid and it's supposed to help them so the conditions aren't so horrific.
		And then they still are.
		Where does the money go?
unidentified		And then they come here and then they get more money.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And then lunatic Democrats say, this is great.
		Bring them all in.
		It's totally legal.
		Free everything for you.
		So I get it.
		So America is the best system.
		All these other countries suck.
		So we should just have an open border and a welfare state then.
		Even though, in the next interview, she'll tell you how racist America is and how failed America is.
		And it doesn't work.
		Okay, gotcha.
		Continue.
unidentified		To take action to provide TPS status.
		Some of them are already here.
		Some of them are already working.
		They are already contributing to the economy.
		They are part of our communities.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're talking about contributing to the economy.
		That's funny.
		That's actually hilarious.
		Imagine actually believing that open borders and illegal immigration is helping the economy.
		Yeah, you've got some that work.
		Okay, I'll give her that.
		You've got some that work.
		Most of them don't work.
		Most of them live off the U.S. taxpayer.
		This doesn't help the economy.
		Even the ones that work.
		Oh, they have minimum wage jobs?
		Oh, I'm sure they're paying a lot of taxes, yeah.
		Meanwhile, the people they hate, the rich, pay 95% of the taxes.
		Yes, I'm sure the illegal immigrant working the minimum wage job...
		Is supporting the economy by paying taxes?
		Oh, sure.
		Of course.
		And I'm sure it makes up for the hundreds of billions of dollars the open border plus welfare state costs the American taxpayer.
		I'm sure.
		I'm sure.
		The small percentage of illegal immigrants that are working and paying taxes is making up for all of the money spent on the open border.
		I am totally sure of it.
		They're working minimum wage jobs.
		100% that logic checks out.
		Okay, thank you, Senator Democrat.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Legal action to extend their TPS status, but it's not just our TPS recipients.
		My hope is that the president in the last two months also quickly processes our DACA recipients' applications.
		We need to make sure our DREAMers also have the ability to stay here, continue to be a part of the country that they grew up in.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The DREAMers, not you, the American.
unidentified		Unfortunately, as you have identified, the next administration is going to come in and there's going to be chaos around immigration and mass deportation.
		We've already seen it.
		When President Trump was in office the first time, I can tell you the calls to my office and the chaos that he created around immigration and separating families.
		And nobody was safe.
		What I take is what I hear from this incoming administration.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Nobody is safe, she says.
		That's good.
		Go ahead.
		Pot her down.
		Pot her down.
		Nobody is safe.
		Was Lakin Riley safe?
		Was Jocelyn Nungary safe?
		You can go on and on and on with all the women and children that have been killed.
		How many minors have been raped?
		How many children have been raped by illegal immigrants in Massachusetts alone?
		I can't even keep up it.
		It's like it happens every day.
		Oh, but no one is safe.
		Of course, she's not talking about Americans?
		Oh, here's another one.
		Illegal alien charged with hitting Missouri teenager on moped, dumping victim in a ditch in DUI hit and run.
		No one's safe.
		17-year-old.
		Drunken hit and run, illegal immigrant, dumps the body in a ditch.
		Nobody's safe.
		Of course, she's not talking about Americans.
		She couldn't give a damn about an American.
		But those foreign citizens, those illegal immigrants, that's their top priority.
		And it was Trump!
		Get that bitch off the screen!
unidentified		And it was Trump!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Trump caused the chaos at the border.
		Oh, yeah!
		Oh, it's not chaos at the border now!
		Oh, no, no, no, no.
		20 million illegal immigrants since Biden took office.
		It's not chaos.
		2021, record number of illegal border crossings.
		2022, record number of illegal border crossings.
		2023, record number of illegal border crossings.
		That's not chaos.
unidentified		No, that's not chaos at all.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Trump separating families.
		You don't even do the DNA testing anymore at the border.
		Disgusting.
		These Democrats are just disgusting.
		I can't believe we have to put up with this crap.
		Then you have Newsom.
		Gavin Newsom visits California-Mexico border for security announcement.
		Security announcement.
		More like anti-security announcement.
		He's opening a new port of entry so that they can get as many more illegals into the country through California as possible because they're not getting in through Texas like they used to.
		So now they all got to come in through California.
		So Gavin Newsom is opening the new border entry port to make sure they can get in as quickly as possible.
		And then he goes on to say at the press conference...
		Because he's asked by the media.
		He says, well, because he wants $25 million to Trump-proof California.
		You know there were Trump voters in California, you scumbag.
		You open borders scum.
		And he wants $25 million from the state to Trump-proof California.
		California.
		But then he gets pressed on it today and he says, well, actually, we can't stop federal law enforcement from executing federal law.
		Ooh!
		That's right.
		Oh, and so you see?
		See, I'll give Newsome credit.
		He's actually smart enough to know where to draw the line.
		So he can still play to all the bleeding heart liberals.
		He can still play to the radical left.
		And he'll have the American psycho look on his face, which they're totally into that.
		But then he's smart enough to know, I don't want to be the one on record talking about how we're going to stop deportations.
		Like the crazies in Boston or Denver or Where you have mayors and council members coming out and saying, oh yeah, we'll make sure that they can't be deported.
		We'll block them physically.
		We'll go to jail for it.
		So Newsom knows, oh, I'm drawing the line there.
		So he admits, he says, well, if Trump sends federal agents in here to do deportations, there's nothing we can do.
		But we can deny any assistance.
		So Newsom is saying, we're not going to let California police, state police, local police, we're not going to let them, we're going to stop them from cooperating with ICE, cooperating with Border Patrol, or whoever is coming in to do the deportations.
		And he's going to open up a new border port where he goes to do this press conference, and he's going to get as many illegals into the country as possible ahead of the inauguration.
		That's their plan.
		And now their logic on taxes is coming back to bite them.
		Because they can't have it both ways.
		Of course they can because the Democrat voter is stupid.
		It's par for the course.
		If you're a Democrat voter then you really don't have much logic and reasoning politically at this point.
		Because the Democrats are the ones that raise taxes.
		And then they argue when the economy gets worse and the cost of living goes up and the price of consumer goods go up and the price of energy goes up and groceries goes up, they call it price gouging.
		But then when Trump wants to talk about tariffs, foreign countries, foreign companies, that's going to raise the prices.
		So here's Gavin at that same press conference.
		When Democrats tax you, it doesn't hurt the economy.
		That's someone else's fault.
		But if Trump does tariffs, that's gonna hurt the economy.
		That's Trump's fault.
unidentified		That's the new logic for Democrats like Gavin Newsom and Clip 10. Misunderstanding the public has in terms of how this tariff will impact their daily lives.
gavin newsom ▲ ● ▼		They don't know what tariff means.
		I asked 9 out of 10 people, it's a tariff.
		I said, no, what is it?
		Tariff's a tax that you pay for.
		It's not even complicated.
		This is one of the biggest tax increases in US history that this guy, Donald Trump, just proposed.
		That's a hell of a thing.
		That disproportionately impacts you.
		Impacts the cost of oil and petroleum.
		You're upset about costs of oil?
		It directly impacts the cost of oil.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, pause that.
		Wait a second.
		Oh!
unidentified		Oh!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I thought you wanted the price of oil to go up.
		I thought the price of oil going up was a good thing.
		We want to price people out.
		We don't like the carbon emissions.
		We're against fossil fuels.
		We're against combustion engines, which they're trying to make illegal in California.
		So these are the same people that want to price you out of oil.
		These are the same people that want to get rid of oil altogether.
		But now he's saying Trump is going to raise the cost of oil.
		Which is what they've done, of course, when Trump was in office, what was it?
		Gas prices were in the twos, in the ones?
		Oh, but now it's Trump that's going to raise the price of oil, even though they're the ones that regulate it, they're the ones that tax it, they're the ones that want to make it illegal.
		And you're just supposed to sit here and take it.
		But it's the larger issue.
		They're the ones that raise taxes, generally speaking.
		They're the ones that promote new regulations, generally speaking.
		They're the ones that cause the price of everything to go up with their economic policies.
		But that logic doesn't apply.
		That only applies to Trump.
		No, no, no, no.
		If Trump wants to have tariffs, that's going to cause the cost of oil to go up.
		Not them.
		If Trump enacts tariffs, that's going to cause the cost of groceries and goods to go up.
		Not them.
		No, never them.
		If the Democrats raise taxes and the Democrats raise the prices, that's somebody else's fault.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Enough of that.
		Well, they're really mad at Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy.
		Democrat Senator Chris Murphy says we should come after Elon Musk.
		He's made his fortune off taxpayers.
		Well, you know, he does.
		I do think he has the most government contracts, so you can have a problem with that.
		That's fine.
		But he actually provides goods and services.
		What do you do, Chris Murphy?
		You have literally made your money off US taxpayers.
		You literally get a check from US taxpayers.
		And what do you provide?
		And you're already going after Elon Musk.
		And he really hates Doge.
		Says it sounds like a con job.
		Yeah, it's a con job to cut into the government.
		The government's not the con job.
		The government's spending, the bureaucracies, the waste, the studies, the trillions of dollars of debt.
		That's not the con job.
		Cutting into the government is the con job, according to Democrat Senator Chris Murphy.
		The con job himself.
		So you've had some response from senators and the Speaker of the House on the Hill after Ramoswamy and Musk visited yesterday.
		Let's start with Mike Johnson talking about this.
		Speaker of the House in clip four.
mike johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is an important day.
		It's the beginning of a journey.
		You've heard what DOGE is all about, the Department of Government and Efficiency.
		It's a new thing.
		And this is a new day in Washington and a new day in America.
		We have long lamented the size and scope of the government, that it has grown too large.
		And let me be frank about this.
		It's too big, it does too many things, and it does almost nothing well.
		And the taxpayers deserve better.
		They deserve a more responsive government, a more efficient government, one that is leaner and more focused on its primary objectives.
		And that's the opportunity that we have here now.
		We believe it's an historic moment for the country, and these two gentlemen are going to help navigate through this exciting new day.
		Elon and Vivek don't need much of an introduction here in Congress for certain, and most of the American people know What they're capable of and what they've achieved.
		Both of these gentlemen have run very successful organizations.
		They're innovators and they're forward thinkers.
		And so that's what we need right now.
		And so what you're going to have today is first is a meeting that we'll have here with decision makers, key figures in the Republican House and Senate who are chairs of committees of jurisdiction who deal with the money and financing of government and the structure of government.
		We'll have chairs of the new doge caucuses that have been set up in the Senate and the House.
		And then after that, we'll proceed to the congressional auditorium where all of the Senate Republicans and House Republicans have been invited, and I think many of them will gather for this discussion.
		So there won't be a lot of detail for the press today, and that's by design, because this is a brainstorming session.
		It is the first, again, as I said, of a long series of meetings that will be held as we're laying the groundwork for the new year and the new Congress.
		And you're going to see A lot of change around here and in Washington and the way things are run.
		We need to make government more efficient.
		And that is what this whole objective is.
		It's what the Doge effort will be about.
		And you're going to see a bicameral cooperation.
		And it will be, by the way, bipartisan over the last 24 or 48 hours.
		You've seen a number of our Democrat colleagues, both in the Senate and the House, who have said, you know what?
		Sign me up.
		I want to be a part of this as well.
		So we welcome that.
		It should be a bipartisan effort.
		And I think we're going to do great things for the country.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I'll show you one of those Democrats coming up.
		Again, the biggest hope I have from the incoming administration, I do think hopefully we'll get some world peace, but it's going to be the Department of Government Efficiency.
		And even though they need Congress to basically enact all the goals, all the agendas, the process is going to be fun.
		Because all of this waste is going to be exposed one way or the other.
		And then you're going to get to see who in Congress wants to continue the waste and then who in Congress is willing to cut the waste.
		And it's not just going to be obvious waste, like people that don't show up for work or, you know, studies to see how drunk a shrimp can get on gin or, you know, whatever the hell they do.
		You know, gay frogs banging one another.
unidentified		Are they more aroused if a red light is on or if a green light is on?
unidentified		I don't know.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But it'll also be things that are way more consequential, like all the money that gets wasted in healthcare and insurance and all the money that gets wasted in foreign aid and foreign citizens and open borders, maybe even getting into the aid that goes out to foreign countries for their wars.
		I mean, the process is going to be very important to witness.
		I do think it'll all get exposed.
		How much of it actually gets cut, that'll be a different story, but it'll be the senators and it'll be the members of the House that refuse to cut the government that will end up getting exposed and hopefully primaried.
		Like a couple of people we're seeing today.
		But here is Senator John Fetterman talking about supporting Doge in clip six.
unidentified		You see yourself ultimately working with folks like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy who will be heading...
john fetterman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, I admire Mr. Musk.
		He's been involved in very important parts of American society.
		AI, SpaceX, and other kinds of things.
		Yes, he's on a different team, but that doesn't make me an enemy.
		I don't be automatically going to become a critic.
		It's like, hey, he's made our economy and our nation better, and our politics are different, and I don't agree with some of the things that he might say, but that doesn't make him, like I said, an enemy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, we're going to get into the confirmation process here.
		And I think what's going to be interesting when you look at the numbers, it's going to take 50 votes to get Trump's nominees confirmed.
		50 votes and Vance will push it over the edge.
		So the rats of Murkowski, Collins, Thune and McConnell will be an issue.
		But one Democrat can put it back up to 50.
		Fetterman could be that Democrat.
		And I suspect there might be a couple people on the left that might be willing to stick their nose out there and vote to confirm some of the more controversial Trump nominees.
		Because again, I think what you see happening here is a divide in the Democrat Party.
		You have the radical leftist ideologues that want to show the radical leftist liberal progressives that they're with them.
		They're with the blue-haired pink pussy hat wearers.
		They're with the trans men, women, the men going in the women's bathroom, playing in women's sports.
		They hate white people.
		You're going to see that wing get more hardened and go farther to the left.
		And then you're going to see Democrats that aren't completely insane.
		And they're going to say, I need to make sure I'm separate from them.
		I need to make sure my voters in my state know I'm not with them.
		Yes, I'm still a Democrat and I still have Democrat left wing values, but I'm not one of them.
		And there's going to be different ways that they can do this.
		When it comes to Doge, when it comes to voting on these nominations, when it comes to illegal immigrants and the deportations.
		So I could see some Democrats or some on the left, there's a couple independents in the Senate, I could see them voting for Trump's nominees just to separate themselves from the radical left and say, hey, I'm not part of this.
		I'm for moving things forward.
		I'm for coming together on issues.
		Trump won.
		He has the mandate.
		We go from there.
		And now with Hegseth, it's a bit of a different story.
		But when Tom Tillis has come out, it's being reported everywhere, he's threatening to stop any nominee that does not support Ukraine.
		I believe that's a direct call out to Hegseth, is what I believe.
		Maybe Tulsi Gabbard and others as well.
		But imagine that.
		It's not America.
		Tom Tillis is not saying, hey, if there's somebody that doesn't support America, I won't confirm them.
		It's Ukraine!
		Why does that dirtbag care so much about Ukraine?
		What kind of bags does he have coming in that make him support Ukraine?
		But the numbers for Hegseth are just not there right now.
		Senate GOP sees Hegseth nomination as likely doomed.
		Key GOP senator says she's not ready to support Hegseth for defense secretary.
		That's Joni Ernst.
		But Hegseth is going all the way.
		He says, we're fighting all the way.
		Thanking Jesus Christ and tells GOP senators he's a changed man.
		Well, he shouldn't even have to respond to this crap.
		Oh, a drinking problem.
		Oh, women problems.
		Just shut up.
		Screw these people, man.
		I'm so sick and tired of it.
		We shouldn't be on the defense.
		They should.
		But I don't think he has the votes right now.
		But he's going through it in any way.
		And I say good for him.
		I say good for him.
		Go through the confirmation process.
		They're going to attack him, ridicule him, embarrass him.
		Maybe they vote for him, maybe they don't.
		But he won't be the one on trial.
		Hexit will not be the one that gets judged here.
		It will be the senators, specifically in the Republican Party.
		Because you know who's up for re-election in 2026?
		Tom Tillis.
		If you don't confirm Trump's nominees, you're not getting re-elected, Jack.
		All right, coming up shortly is MLB legend John Rocker, and now he's becoming a bit of a social media legend as well.
	And, of course, it's, you know, it's Christmas time, and the White House is celebrating Christmas.
	They've officially lit the Christmas tree.
	I only wish, I only wish I could have been there with a holiday sweater, with a Christmas sweater from the AlexJonesStore.com.
	It's my only regret, really, right now.
	Whether it was the Bad Santa sweater or the Nakatomi Plaza sweater.
	Any of the Christmas sweaters we have available for you right now at thealexjonesstore.com.
	Or, you know, maybe a Trump One hoodie would have been nice for the Christmas tree lighting there.
	Yes, there is a couple new releases at thealexjonesstore.com.
	A new limited edition coin, which will be, I'm guessing, sold out definitely by the end of next week.
	Maybe by the time I'm back on air Monday, the limited edition, the answer to 1984 is 1776 coin limited edition.
	And I'm guessing it'll be gone definitely by the end of next week, maybe by Monday.
	Now, there's another new item.
	Which is the Trump on the stump.
	It's a spinoff of the Elf on the Shelf, but it's like the same type of a...
	What do they call it?
	I guess it's like a...
	It's not an action figure, but it's like a...
	Christmas stuffed animal type thing.
	I don't even know how you would explain it if you've not seen the Elf on the Shelf thing.
	But it's Trump on the Stump.
	Limited edition number of these.
	I can see these being gone by the time we're back on Monday as well.
	So you've got the limited edition coin and then the Trump on a Stump Christmas figurine.
	So that'll be fun.
	Hide it around the house.
	Hide it around the Christmas tree.
	Put it on top of the tree.
	It's bendable.
	You can shift it around with its arms and its legs.
	It's a fun time for all.
	A fun time for all with the Trump on a stump Christmas figurine.
	Limited edition available right now at the AlexJonesStore.com.
	All right, so the Christmas tree lighting.
	Joe Biden sounds great, by the way, doesn't he?
	He really sounds up and at him and healthy here.
	Lighting the Christmas tree in clip seven.
	Barely can walk.
	Shuffling up to the stage, shuffling up to the podium.
	A lot of excitement there.
	Merry Christmas everyone!
unidentified		Merry Christmas!
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
unidentified		This Christmassy lighting is one of my wife Jill's favorite events.
		So she truly regrets not being here tonight.
		She's on an international trip in Qatar, the United Arab Emirates in Sicily.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He can't make it.
unidentified		In order to promote women's health research.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But what is a woman?
unidentified		She sends her best wishes to all of you on behalf of Kamala and Doug.
unidentified		Where are Kamala and Doug?
gavin newsom ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Welcome, on behalf of them, welcome to the National Christmas Tree Lady.
gavin newsom ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Mickey, all the artists are performing tonight.
		Special thanks to the Jones family for their service and sacrifice in our military families.
		Tonight, to help light this beautiful tree.
		Mickey, will you start the countdown?
		All right, y'all, let's count down together, people.
		Five, four, three, two, one.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Joe Biden says.
		What do you guys think about that tree?
		It's alright.
		I'm not a big fan of the green lighting.
		But he said Merry Christmas.
		You know, Kamala Harris said, how dare you say Merry Christmas?
		Remember that classic?
		Was that the tree from North Carolina?
		They got a tree from North Carolina called Tremendous.
		It's called Tremendous.
		Us.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Merry Christmas from Joe Biden in the White House!
		Hey!
		Sounds great, Joe!
		Glad we got the tree lit.
		Glad we're saying Merry Christmas again.
		Really appreciate that.
		John Rocker coming up next.
unidentified		Say something homophobic or racist like in your past.
		Come out!
		If you were a man, I would knock your teeth out.
		While Rockers' remarks on our show back in November may have outraged Mets fans, it was the comments he made to Sports Illustrated writer Jeff Perlman that caused a national outcry.
		Quote, imagine having to take the number seven train to the ballpark, looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair.
		It's depressing.
		And about New York City itself, Rocker said, the biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners.
		I'm not a very big fan of foreigners.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's him.
		John Rocker, if you watched Major League Baseball in the late 90s, then you certainly remember the legendary epic run of John Rocker, his spat with New York City, the boo birds, the middle fingers, all of it.
		Culminating to this moment, if you can believe that.
		He's now become a bit of a social media phenomenon on X. Certainly not one to withhold any opinions, and so we're looking forward to hearing all of them now.
		John joins me, and, well, let me just ask you this, John.
		What made you decide to get on X and start telling the world how it is?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Um, just bored out of my tit.
		You know, everybody's like, oh, I can't wait till I retire.
		I can't wait till I retire.
		You can only finish and play golf so much.
		At some point in time, you're like, I just, there's something else to do.
		And the reason I got off ex-Twitter, whatever you want to call it, when I got invited by CBS to be on Survivor, I guess about 10 years ago, they put you through your paces.
		I mean, even though they invited me to be on the show, I mean, it was a multi, multi, multi-round interview.
		I knew they were scrubbing all my social media.
		And one of my favorite things to do, which I don't do as much if I think of maybe a short degree matured a little bit.
		Back in 12 and 13, I would like to sit outside most evenings, have a cocktail, have a cigar, get a little tipsy, and just fuck with people on social media and say some ridiculous shit.
		And when CBS, obviously the liberal side of things, CBS, I'm like, if they ever get a hold of my Twitter page and see some of that shit, I will get a big fat uninvite.
		And they were paying me a decent bit of money to be on the show.
		I'm like, no.
		I want that to happen.
		So we got off Twitter back there in 2014 for fear of CBS looking at some of the trash I've been talking to certain individuals on social media and just never thought to get back on it.
		And a few months ago, I'm like, give that a shot.
		Let's get back and do that and entertain myself again.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, so I'm assuming there's no more CBS survivor runs for you then?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		Absolutely not.
		That was an entirely whole lot of not fun right there.
		One staff, people always ask me to survive a reel.
		I've done a number of reality TV shows that had pros and joes, and I dated someone that did several of the MTV-made episodes.
		I've been on set personally as well as watching the filming of reality TV, and it's staged.
		I mean, it's all but scripted.
		I assume Survivor would be the same thing.
		There's got to be something out there.
		I'm watching.
		I've never really seen the show when I got invited to be on there.
		And I'm watching like, yeah, the chicks don't have hairy armpits.
		They don't have hairy legs.
		There's got to be a wash-up room somewhere.
		It can't be that bad.
		I was on there for 11 days.
		Lost 21 pounds in 11 days.
		A big suck on that one.
		I mean, whatever's going on around your world, if you're losing two pounds a day just by simply not eating, Nothing else is going to be going too good for you.
		So, yeah, survival is quite challenging.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So you were heading into it thinking it wouldn't actually be as real as they present it to be, but it was.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		And rudely got awakened.
		It's actually much, much worse in person than...
		You watch it on TV, you're like, eh, they're there, they're...
		They're staging it.
		They're trying to make it seem much worse.
		They're embellishing.
		It can't be that bad.
		It's a hell of a lot worse in person than it is actually being watched on TV. A lot worse.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we didn't come on here to talk about Survivor or your golf game, though I hope your golf game is as strong as your X game.
		All kinds of content there for you, especially dealing with New York City.
		Of course, you know, in the 90s, how dare you speak your mind about New York City?
		It created quite a stir, and now those clips have gone viral again.
		We both saw the same clip.
		You know, there's a big case going on in New York City with the subway.
		A gentleman deciding in the middle of a nap, or maybe he's asleep for the night, I don't know, he just decided he's going to take a leak.
		Right there on the subway, John.
		So, I guess the things you were saying then were right, and they still are.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I used to...
		I'm a little hoarse today.
		When we played the Mets or Yankees, we always stayed at the Grand Hyatt above Grand Central, and I took the four to Yankee not as much, but I took the seven to Deshaies at least once or twice every trip in town, so I was very familiar with that subway ride and just riding past the It was just,
		yeah, that's just the impression I got.
		And someone asked me, you know, what I thought about it, and this is what I fucking told you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What's crazy is that, why wouldn't the people of New York feel the same way?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're wanting them to clean up their own city, and they're mad at you for it.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		They do.
		It's just me being an outsider coming in and saying, I didn't appreciate that.
		They know I'm right.
		It's me, the outside guy, especially the southern guy, the southern backwoods boob idiot redneck.
		I can't say that.
		If I was from New York, I'd be like, yeah, what are you talking about?
		Of course it is.
		But it's our filth.
		It's our filth that you can't pour out our filth.
		Only we can.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		How much fun did you have with that?
		Because when I was watching you go out there, you guys got to the World Series.
		You went up against the Mets.
		You beat the Mets.
		How much fun was that for you with kind of the media storm going on around it, too?
		Because it kind of played into your high energy the way you approached the game already.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I really enjoyed it, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		It did, you know, over the course of, you know, I picked a flight with New York City.
		And that's one thing I like to say, lo, these, you know, many years later is...
		I'm maybe the only dude in this country that picked a fight with an entire city.
		It did get a little irritating, though, that every road trip, Houston, Cincinnati, Oakland, San Diego, you've still got the stands running their mouth.
		They're like, just give it a rest.
		I didn't say shit about you.
		Give it a fucking rest.
		That did get a little irritating that most road trips you had to hear the fans getting mouthy and talking and whatnot.
		But To have that reaction in New York was exactly what I was going for.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just want this on the record.
		When you came to St. Louis, I stood and cheered, okay?
		So while the other ignoramuses around me might have stood and booed, I stood and cheered because I thought it was fantastic when somebody adds a little entertainment outside of the lines, like yourself.
		But it was inside the lines, too.
		I mean, pumping your fists, scorching out to the mound.
		It was like a...
		Al Hrabowski used to do in St. Louis.
		I'm sure you know the old Al stories.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar.
		I'm familiar with Biting the Rising Bag and whatnot.
		I've seen clips.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He was famous for that.
		Do you ever wonder if the...
		Are you familiar with the Kenny Powers character on that HBO show?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Of course I am.
		Get to your thought here.
		I'm going to give you probably the Most mind-blowing piece of trivia you've at least gotten this week, if not this month.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was wondering if you weren't consulted for that character, or if it wasn't lightly based off of you.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, it definitely was.
		Actually, I ran to Will Ferrell years ago in the meatpacking district in Manhattan, and we chatted a little bit, and he's like, I'm not going to say it is, not going to say it's not.
		He wouldn't admit it, but I'm like, yeah, that's all you need to tell me.
		So anyway, to hear the Kenny Powers character, Danny McBride, But I found this out like two years ago, and I'm like, no fucking way.
		This can't be legit, and yeah, it's legit.
		I was born in Statesboro, Georgia, in the Bullock County Hospital in Statesboro, Georgia in 1974.
		If you even know where Statesboro, Georgia is, title town, title speck on the map, especially back in 1974.
		Guess where the hell Danny McBride was born in 1976.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to guess the same Georgia town.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, Bellevue Hospital, New York.
		But the story is actually born in Statesboro, Georgia, same hospital.
		What are you going to say to that?
		It's a Bodunk town in the mid, late 70s.
		They birthed like 10 kids a year.
		And yeah, same hospital two years apart.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty elite list for that small hospital.
		Do they have your picture up anywhere?
		Is there a John Rocker wing of the hospital where the kids are born now?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, there's a store where they put pillows and stuff.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, here's something I'm curious about.
		And, you know, Major League Baseball culture, I think, has obviously changed a lot.
		But...
		I'm sure you talked to some major leaguers.
		I don't know if you've actually talked to Juan Soto like you insinuated yesterday or a couple days ago afternoon on your X account.
		But baseball players are still rather conservative.
		We've seen some of them go public recently.
		Jonathan Lucroy kind of most recently.
		What can you talk about kind of the clubhouse politics of Major League Baseball in the current days?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Currently, I have no idea.
		And no, I don't talk to very many current big league guys who just only have much of a chance to cross paths.
		I've still talked to a lot of guys in my generation, my era.
		And, you know, really, I mean, back when I played...
		You know, you sort of knew a guy's politics.
		You knew a guy, if a guy was a religious guy, we'd call them God Squatters.
		You knew, you know, religious or not.
		You knew, you know, if they're...
		If they're...
		You know, a late-night carousing kind of guy.
		Kind of what lifestyle they had.
		The politics was never really discussed.
		We would never, you know, sit down and talk about the upcoming election or, you know, some abortion ban bill.
		That was rarely discussed.
		It was basically just...
		Jocks in a room, talking about jock things, sports, women, you know, the club after the game, what kind of car I'm going to get.
		It was usually held fairly superficial, at least it was back then.
		I'm assuming it's the same way now.
		You know what I always say, if you don't want to ruin a good time, don't talk politics and religion.
		That's kind of the way most clubs I was in, just really the conversation was generally held very low-key, very superficial.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What was it like dealing with the media back then compared to now?
		Because now they get so much access, so much is expected from these guys with the media.
		I mean, as soon as they give the clearance, they open the doors to the clubhouse.
		I mean, these guys barely even have time to put a towel on, and you've got media jackals running into the locker room.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		We don't care about putting towels on the bucket.
		You know, the media is always a necessary, annoying evil, and breaking my mind, they are fucking annoying.
		But now you've got guys' wild pitches going on, and the guy's mic'd up in the outfields.
		I mean, I can see a Bobby Cox or a Joe Torrey, some of these old school guys going, no, I'm not doing that.
		These games are too important, you know, for some, you know, media stunt, fan-friendly, let my center fielder be talking shit with somebody in his ear giving an interview while we got a tying one on third base.
		I'm doing that.
		Interviewing coaches right in the middle of an inning.
		It's just a little ridiculous.
		There's a little too much access.
		A little too much fan-friendly.
		Let's look up your skirt.
		Back when I played, yeah, I mean...
		I don't know what time the media had access to the clubhouse, but it was quite often.
		There was never a time, I guess maybe a half hour before the first pitch, the media had to leave.
		Our traveling secretary, Bill Aker, I love Bill, but he was one of those just lovable assholes, and he loved being an asshole.
		His favorite thing to do was every afternoon, I guess it was...
		Maybe 6, 6.30, whenever, you know, I can't remember, it was 30 minutes or an hour before first pitch, was to walk in and throw the media out.
		He loved doing that shit.
		He was like, oh, here goes Bill.
		Favorite time of the day.
		And he said, kick the media out.
		And, um, but they were always in there.
		And I never really minded, uh, The ones that were, you know, your serious journalists, your USA Todays, your ESPNs, your, you know, local major paper beat writers, but it was the clowns.
		It was the, I'm with something, something, something dot com.
		I would, I would.
		Whether it was coming out of the shower after a game and having 20 of them around my locker and I'm just wearing a towel, I weave through them, turn them back to my locker, drop towel and do my whole interview with just full funnel buck naked just so you can maintain professional eye contact.
		I used to love doing that.
		I would generally screw with them quite a bit.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I tried that out for a minute.
		I was in sports media before I got into politics.
		I tried that out one spring training.
		I got that all-exclusive access.
		I had the press pass for the season.
		And I did it one time.
		And I was like, this ain't for me.
		I could tell right away.
		And I remember some of the exchanges I had with the players.
		But I could tell right away.
		I was like, these guys are never going to take me seriously.
		They're going to look at me like a pest.
		And so after one day of that, I was like...
unidentified		I'm out.
unidentified		I'm out.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		And some of the journalists, they do kind of get across that threshold of sort of being accepted, being almost one of the boys where, you know, after a game, you might be sitting in the lobby bar at the hotel and you won't mind if a journalist comes and sits down and has a drink with you or you might even invite them to come over and sit with you, but would never get to the point of, you know, hey, Bill, AJC beat Ryder.
		You want to go to the club after the game.
		It would never go that far.
		But there are a few that could cross the threshold enough to be more than tolerated, almost accepted.
		But most of them, yeah, it was just a necessary annoyance.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to think, too, because nowadays women get pretty much the same access as men.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Were women allowed in the clubhouse back in the 90s?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Did they send any good-looking ones in there?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		That was a whole funny thing.
		A dropping towel and doing an entire six-minute interview with a community just swinging.
		Just seeing which four or five chicks there could maintain professional eye contact.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		How often did they fail?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, every time.
		I don't know.
		It was just doing it for the sheer simple reason of how many people could I make uncomfortable.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		There were women there, I mean, gospel.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		There was actually one of our beat writers, Carol Rogers, she was the beat writer when I was in high school for the Macon Telegraph and News, and she became the beat writer for the AJC. I mean, she was in clubhouse every day, all day, every day.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I saw it once and I was like, I'm not into this.
		I was like, this is not worth it.
		These guys, this is not what they want.
		And every once in a while, yeah, you'll see guys.
		I didn't think it was on purpose.
		I thought these were just guys, you know, getting out of the shower or whatever.
		Some of them might have just been gooning.
		Just like, hey, here, yeah, you want to come in here in the clubhouse?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I remember Ryan Klusko, Dean Ago, they would walk around the clubhouse buck naked with a toothbrush shut up their ass.
		Just doing ridiculous stuff.
		It's just that, yeah, yeah.
		Just to try to make you feel uncomfortable.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Worked for me.
		I was extremely uncomfortable.
		I said, I'm done.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		And there's one story.
		This is maybe a little too much.
		Jesus, John, that's a little too vulgar.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's all right, John.
		We've decided.
		Once you started cussing, I asked the crew, I was like, do we need it?
		And they were like, just let it rip.
		So nothing is off the table.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		There's no FCC here, which is why I love doing podcasts.
		There's no FCC here.
		I got to clean my eyes up.
		Now, I did CBS radio in Atlanta for three years afternoon drive time during baseball season.
		And yeah, it was a bitch to try to get through two segments without dropping an F-bomb.
		And getting dumped.
		We're almost out of dump, John.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		We've abandoned the dump.
		We actually do have some syndication.
		We've just abandoned the dump.
		We don't care.
		It's alright.
		We're going along with it.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to be too older.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What's harder for you?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		To strike out the side or to not say the F word in a five minute period?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		It's harder to do.
		The latter, for sure.
		So, Yeah, in Texas.
		Female journalists, it didn't matter if you're a female journalist or not.
		It didn't matter what kind of journalist you were, but just the serious journalists, the ESPNs, the USA Todays.
		I take you seriously.
		I see you in the clubhouse week in and week out.
		You're a legit professional person.
		But then you get the clown that, you know, they're 22 years old.
		Who gave you your press pass?
		You gotta know somebody who knows somebody that called it a favor or some shit.
		You shouldn't fucking be in here.
		And do you remember when you were growing up in elementary school, Weekly Reader?
		Do you remember that little kiddie newspaper for like 10 years?
		Sure, yeah, yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They had a Sports Illustrated for kids.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember that stuff.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		So I remember that as well.
		And so I'm in the clubhouse in Texas, in Arlington.
		And the guy next to me is Juan Alvarez.
		His back is to me.
		He used to do an interview with some old girl.
		She can't be 23 years old.
		I'm so-and-so with Weekly Reader.
		I'm like, you gotta be shitting me.
		So I'm like, here we go.
		And she's sitting there asking Juan, so Juan, what's your favorite movie?
		And what's your favorite outfit and your favorite meal?
		And I'm like, you gotta be shitting me, man.
		So on the team, I said, Atlanta, Rudy's seeing us.
		Rudy's next movie.
		Check this shit out.
		And I had to proceed, used to strip down cheese face of me from three feet away.
		And For the next probably two, three minutes.
		Hey, what time is batting practice?
		You know, what do we got after the game?
		And just, yeah, I mean, just kind of gyrating, sort of moving around, and that girl turned about three shades of a tomato.
		And I'm like, keep her composure, keep interviewing Juan to find out what his pair of shoes were.
		And half the clubhouse was just in hysterics.
		It was just the, you're not a serious journalist, let's go ahead and let's go ahead and make you one.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see her again?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
		Just like you, that was our first and last day of, yeah, I'm not going back in a big league clubhouse.
		Because this is my house.
		This is where I work.
		You're a joke, and we don't really want you in here.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there are plenty of other stories that you could tell like that.
		Was it worse on the road?
		Would you be even more worse on the road if there were other journalists you only see once a year?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, it was, I mean, especially playing for a big market team like Atlanta, especially for a big series, you know, a Yankee series or a Met series.
		I mean, there would be 50, 75 journalists in a clubhouse.
		But, no, it was never worse on the road.
		But, you know, here's the one thing that...
		I think most players will back me up.
		The reason that so many players don't like journalists and so many players don't trust journalists is you're talking about someone who buys ink by the fucking barrel.
		The sport they're covering, they most likely never played that sport past the junior high school level, and yet it's their job to disseminate information to hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions of people,
		what it's like to play a sport They didn't play past the age of like 13 and so it's that type person when they get on the radio or on TV or in a newspaper and start effing you and trashing you and you're horseshit and you're like Who do you know?
		You had so little talent that you couldn't play this sport past the age of 13. And you got two different colored socks on, by the way.
		And you got holes in your shoes.
		And you're going to go home after a game and MF me.
		And the next day I come to the ballpark and all the fans are booing me because the trash you talked about me in the paper that morning.
		And that's the kind of stuff that...
		We'll always and forever make players just be very standoffish, very wary of reporters.
		Just do not care.
		No sympathy, no nothing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Especially, like you said, in a big market where they can really use the power of the press to even try to get fans to come out and dislike ya, boo ya, make other crap up.
		John Rocker is our guest.
		You gotta follow him on X at It's John Rocker.
		Let's try to get him to 100K before the end of the day.
		We got another segment coming up.
		Maybe we get into some other old stories from the ball yard.
		Maybe we talk about this new...
		The new rules the MLB wants to implement, like the golden at bat.
		I mean, my God, that's like worse than a New York City subway train.
		All right, we got 20 more minutes here with John Rocker, former Major League Baseball fireballer and firebrand.
		And you know, aside from the nostalgic stuff, I was a younger guy going to games when you were playing, John.
		So aside from the kind of nostalgia of talking to, you know, former pro athletes I grew up watching, what I really appreciate about you and so many others is just your outspokenness.
		Because I see so many athletes that are afraid of their own shadow.
		Specifically with politics.
		They don't want to talk politics.
		Now, if you're a left liberal and you want to talk about how gay you are, you want to make your hockey stick gay, you want to make your baseball bat gay, then it's all good.
		If you want to do all the leftist propaganda, no problem with that.
		We'll shove it down your throat to the professional games too.
		But God forbid somebody comes out as a pro-America conservative, a Trump supporter, wears a MAGA hat.
		So, I mean, I really appreciate that.
		Do you think there will ever be a time in pro sports where conservatives if they want to be politically outspoken would be more willing to do so?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I seriously doubt it.
		It comes for one sure simple reason.
		There's a whole lot fewer of you than there are of NBCs, CBSs, CNNs, MSNBCs.
		You know, 80, 85 percent of media is liberal.
		And when they're the ones that have the most mouths reaching, you know, so many people, then their voices seem to get heard the loudest.
		And, yeah, so as long as that, I guess, paradigm exists where most of the media is going to be liberal, then they're going to kind of choose what is disseminated to the public.
		Liberal views are going to be champion.
		Conservative views are going to be racist, homophobe, xenophobe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
		And until those voices that are deciding what's good and what's bad, until those voices change, then the baseline dynamic is not going to change.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you made the decision not to care.
		You know, they did the same thing to you, and you never cared.
		And then that woman in that classic Survivor clip, you know, she basically...
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look what happened to me.
		You know, it was, you know, what I've liked, you know, to not have all that drama and fallout in my career and just gone to the ballpark, played my game, enjoyed my career, and when it was done, it was done, and going back to the ranch, of course.
		Did I really enjoy...
		Just fighting with the media day in and day out and all that.
		I didn't hate it, but would I have just been left alone?
		Probably so.
		And most people don't have...
		I don't want to say I speak out controversy, but I sure as hell will run from it.
		A lot of people aren't like that.
		A lot of people are just calm, quiet, and want to be left alone.
		And yeah, I think just like what they've been doing to Trump below these last eight or nine years, what they are trying to do, absolutely, A, they hate him, but B, I think they're trying to discourage Other conservatives, you see what we did to him?
		You want to come get some of that?
		Yeah, then don't you fucking run for office.
		It's just, I think it's just a, yes, they hate our beliefs, they hate our model of the world, but it's also, I think, a warning shot to others.
		You see what we did to him?
		You better keep your mouth shut.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
		Even people that are just associated with him, they'll do the same thing.
		Even if you just vote for him, even if you just wear the hat, you know, they do the same thing to you.
		I just wish that that didn't exist.
		I wish there were more people, like, even if you weren't even trying to get involved in the controversy, but certainly just...
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Wish in one hand, the other one, see which one fills up first.
		It's not going to happen.
		It's just not...
		You know, until 80% of the media is Fox News.
		You know, 80% of the media is you.
		But, you know, the NYU School of Journalism is not pumping out conservatives.
		It's not.
		Journalism schools all over the country are not pumping out conservative-minded people.
		They're just not.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the good news is those leftist outlets are actually dying.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they really are dying.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		They are.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know if we'll ever see the phenomenon switch of, let's say, conservatives dominating the media landscape, but those big-name outlets are actually – they're a dying breed.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		CNNs, they definitely are.
		Their viewership is grossly down, and Trump is just the best around – I think?
		To the CNNs and the MSNBCs of the world is anything else that could have been done to them.
		Is Trump coining the phrase fake news?
		And then just pointing their flaws out any chance he gets.
		I mean, he is single-handedly, you know, probably responsible for 50% of their decline.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		The term, well, it sticks because it's real, right?
		I mean, it really is.
		It's literally fake news.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		You know?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And so it's stuck because it's actually a fair description.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But now it's to the point where Trump is by far the most popular president I've ever witnessed.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine if he just got equal treatment under the media?
		Where would he be?
		Where would he be?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Not even just him.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Imagine where our country would be.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		If he just got unbiased coverage.
		He does something dumb.
		Man, that was dumb.
		He does something good.
		Ah, good job, dude.
		By all media as a whole, where would he be?
		I mean, he has been just...
		Over for years and just takes it and takes it and takes it and still gets more votes in the popular vote than any other Republican candidate ever.
		Can you imagine if he just got unbiased media treatment?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He's the number one vote-getter of all time, actually, in presidential elections.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's ever had more votes than him, not even Joe Biden with the Ville Viagra.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		His story, him individually, is absolutely incredible.
		And I can remember, when I'm getting my shit and all that, I'm working for Ted Turner and working with Atlanta and Scherholz and all that.
		Of course, I am behold.
		They write my checks.
		I'm under contract with them.
		There is a bad boy clause in everybody's contract.
		If you do something to piss the team off, they can void your contract and send you fucking packing.
		I had to go on the apology tour and do the I'm sorry to everybody kind of shit.
		It didn't do any good.
		I was told to do this.
		I had to do it.
		But it didn't do any good.
		It was just, you know, the sharks were still circling.
		And I can remember thinking, you know, and got, you know, I've always been very politically minded, love talking politics.
		I've been approached several times about running for various political seats, you know, statewide as well as federal.
		And so I love talking politics.
		I can remember thinking probably 15 years ago, I can't wait, I hope at some point in time, somebody comes along that is not beholden to the media, not beholden to anyone, that they can basically, you don't like it, stick it up your ass, and what are you going to do about it?
		You can't find me, you can't suspend me, you can't beat me up to a point where you break me down and I'm broke, I lose all my money, and that.
		I so badly want someone to come along who is just basically wearing Kevlar, you can't get me.
		And then holy shit, here comes Trump.
		Like, you can't get him.
		You just can't.
		I mean, he's too smart, too savvy.
		Too rich, too many connections, too big a personality, and that's what, you know, obviously the media has been so frustrated for the last seven or eight years, and throwing the kitchen sink at him, and it just bounces off.
		Everything just bounces off.
		It's the damn thing I've ever seen.
		So yeah, he finally, what I was saying 15 years ago, I hope someone comes along that can't be got, and can't be pushed around and bullied into submission, and holy shit, here he came.
		And what the hell has he done with it?
		I mean, just massive, and I can't wait to see what the next four years are going to be.
		What are you trying to pull off?
		That's going to be one of those, like, holy shit moments.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder, too, because there's no doubt The Trump presidency will change the future of politics forever.
		I don't know if there'll ever be another Trump type in our lives.
		That might be too much to ask.
		But, you know, people trying to mimic Trump, emulate Trump, take that same attitude to the stump that Trump has, that might be something that never goes away.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		And this, I just kind of thought of this, so immediate doing to Trump What they've done to them, again, a few minutes ago, in an effort to fire a warning shot to all other potential oncomers.
		You try to do this shit, well, the same thing will ruin your life, ruin your family, try to bankrupt you, etc.
		Well, now, none of it worked out.
		Trump is taller and stronger now than he ever has been.
		So now I think that sends the same message the media was trying to send, that Let them come after you.
		You can get through it.
		You can beat them just like I did.
		So come one, come all.
		I think the media's plan to beat Trump down and warn others will do the same thing to you blew up right in their face.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And you have to be willing to some level to embrace it and use it, too.
		You expect it, you embrace it, and you say, I'm not going to let you bully me, intimidate me, shut me down.
		I'm going to get bolder in the face of that.
		And they don't know what to do with that either.
		You know, that's what threw them off so much is they didn't know what to do with that.
		And they wanted to separate you from Trump, say, oh, he's this, he's that, he's all this stuff, so don't vote for him.
		And the Trump voters just gave him a giant middle finger for the third straight election.
		So none of it's working.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		They're trying to cancel Trump as well as trying to cancel all Trump's voters.
		That's 70-some-odd million people you've got to cancel.
		That's a tough task right there.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it has obviously failed.
		You said that people have been reaching out to get you to run for office.
		Is that something you are interested in?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		It was...
		This was probably in the...
		It's a 16 or 18 cycle.
		I can't remember.
		It was going to be a house seat, District 6, back when I lived in Georgia still, in Atlanta still, and met with, I can't remember the gentleman's name, one of the bigger campaign advisors, managers in the city.
		Met with him a couple of times, mulled it over.
		A good friend of mine that's heavy into politics in Atlanta, Came with the idea, and he set the meetings up and all that, and it came down to a few meetings, and then one question was asked, John, if you were to be elected, could you keep your composure in a committee room with an AOC, with a Nancy Pelosi?
		Could you do that?
		Nice to meet you guys.
		I'll see y'all later.
		I'm like, nah, I can't do that.
		Thanks for the effort, but thanks for your time.
		I'm going to get lunch.
		The thought of having to sit in a committee room across from a table from Nancy Pelosi and listen to her fucking nonsense without just losing my ever-loving mind.
		There's just no way I can do it.
		No way.
		I don't know if you can...
		What's the penalty in...
		The lower chamber like that, of like, slapping one of your colleagues for the dumb shit they're saying, but we would have found out.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So that was it?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		No more Congressman Rocker?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would have been it.
		Me and AOC in a little verbal fisticuffs.
		That would not have gone well.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Hey, well, you know, these days, I don't know what years you were on Survivor.
		I don't think the trans thing was as popular then, you know, 2014. I don't even think trans might not even have been a thing back then.
		Nowadays, you know, we don't even know what a woman is.
		The whole thing might have gone differently for you there.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		They've been trans forever.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		They've been trans for, you know, years and years and years.
unidentified		I don't remember hearing about trans until recently.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember hearing about trannies until recently.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You used to have to go to like an underground club or basement to see something like that.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		One of my favorite things that I used to do, I used to love to go to a place in New York called the Kit Kat Club.
		You could see the emotion.
		I'm kind of a...
		What you'd call it, but I like the shock value of things.
		And you could see the most ridiculous shit that you would want to see in this place called the Kit Kat.
		It was an old church.
		And you would see dudes in wedding dresses.
		And they would have a drag show.
		I would like to get right up on the stage of the drag show.
		I know you got one.
		Where the hell is it?
		I know you got a dick somewhere.
		Where is that thing?
		Where is it?
		And even back in 2000, they built them pretty good.
		You couldn't tell.
		Oh my gosh.
		Do you know who Doug Stanhope is, comedian?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Him and Joe Rogan became hosts of the Man Show after Kimmel and Carolla left the Man Show.
		And Doug's a decent friend about it.
		He does a bit on transvestites.
		And he's like, you know, they build them pretty good now.
		And he's like, how good does a transvestite have to be built for I'm not gay for having sex with it?
		Jesus, dude.
		That's a good point.
		A lot of times you can't even tell.
		It's been going for years.
		It's just, I think, the last few years, it's the right.
		It's the, you know, whatever rights, the free surgeries and all the other dumb shit you want.
		And the health care and all that, I think, is the rights are at the forefront now.
		But that's been a thing for generations.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, you've got to be nervous nowadays if you're a young guy out there and you get caught up with the wrong person, let's say.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Especially if you're in Thailand, from what I hear.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You get a little surprised down there.
		You think you're going in for some sugar and you end up getting the stick.
		See, I think that's when I would lose my stuff.
		I would lose my cool at that point.
		I don't think I could.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Then you've got to go to your therapist and be like, yep, something new's happened when you forget about mom for a while.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had to beat up a man.
		Well, actually, that's a woman.
		No, trust me, it's a man.
		I found out the hard way.
		Oh, no.
		See, now you're a bigot.
		Now you're not even allowed to have that conversation.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		How do you run assault like that?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we wouldn't have been diving on that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What was your favorite place to go on the road?
		Was it New York, even though the famous quotes?
		Was it still New York?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I loved hanging out there, man.
		I could talk to New York about three or four days.
		And hell, I dated, I mean, she's worth a Google.
		I dated Alicia Marie.
		I dated Alicia for about three and a half, four years, a black lady.
		She lived in Chelsea the first year and a half we dated.
		And I would go back and forth.
		I'd be Thursday to Monday every other week.
		And then she'd fly to Atlanta for about a year and a half or so.
		And I could take New York for about four days.
		And then, you know, just the noise, the congestion, just the heckiness of it all just gets me like, just give me the hell out of this place.
		I did love going there, love shopping there.
		The restaurants were fantastic.
		Obviously, you know, that was back in my...
		20s, early 30s, like going kicking at the curb.
		But I would say probably just overall, just love the vibe, is probably Phoenix, Scottsdale.
		Just absolutely love Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Just what a So, I'm trying to think of all the stuff, because baseball went through a lot of things while you were there.
		It really rose to maybe its most prominent era was around the time you were playing.
		I think a lot of people would say the highest ratings, some of the biggest stories dealing with the World Series, the Yankees, the home runs, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire.
		Yeah.
		Now we have these goons that are running the league, and that's how I look at it.
		When I look at what Rob Manfred is, I tune into a ballgame now, and I don't even know what I'm watching.
		They got all these weird rules and idiosyncrasies.
		Like, I don't even know what I'm watching.
		It's not the sport that I grew up playing or watching.
		Now they want to add this golden at-bat rule.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I heard you say, I heard you tease that.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So apparently, they want to take a single at-bat It's going to be his home run.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		It's worth like five runs or something ridiculous like that.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		So what is their proposal?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		It's the golden at bat, and it's like an unlimited pinch hit.
		You can use it at any time in the game, any hitter you want.
		It doesn't affect the lineup card.
		One at bat.
		So is it the same thing as the media, where you have these corporate executives running these leagues that never played the game?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I know Rob fairly well.
		I've seen him in a while.
		I didn't think anybody could be a better clown than Selick.
		And here comes Rob Manford and totally redeemed himself.
		Totally proved me wrong.
		Some of the stuff he's pulled off, I get what he's trying to do.
		He's trying to get baseball to appeal to the Ten-second attention span crowd, the iPhone crowd, the TikTok crowd that can't pay attention to anything for about eight consecutive seconds.
		He's trying to appeal to that crowd.
		But in doing so, he's taking a big dump on a 140-year institution of professional baseball.
		He's just knocking it off.
		If you can't pay attention for more than a couple of minutes and baseball bores you, then go watch Sarcastable.
		Go watch...
		I don't know.
		Cornhole on ESPN 7. We don't need you at the games.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Sarcastable.
		A South Park reference.
		Here's what I do too is...
		I'll tune into a game and somebody will be down 6-1 and they'll hit a double and they'll do a whole gyration like they're a stripper at the club on second base.
		I'm like, dude, you're down by five runs and you're dancing like a hooker.
		What in the hell is this?
		Like, you guys used to hit a home run, you'd round the bases, you'd shake your guy's hand, you'd go to the dugout.
		Now they got a whole softball team cheerleader dance going on.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Like a whole NFL touchdown dance for hitting a two-out double on the bottom of the eighth with a seven-run deficit.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that would have flied in the 90s?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, you'd get drilled.
		We'd fucking stick your ass.
		Yeah, you absolutely get plunked.
		Doing some dumb showboat show-me-up shit.
		That's just kind of what's been a loss in the game now.
		Big league guys are very proud guys.
		We have all worked very hard to get where we're at, and the last thing any of you are going to do is show me up.
		A hitter taking me deep is not going to do some...
		Beard, pirouette, frickin' back moonwalk shit.
		And when I strike somebody out, I'm not gonna punk him.
		I might punk my fist.
		I'm excited I did something.
		Excitement versus showboating are two totally different things.
		If I punch you out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth in a one-run game, yeah, I'm not just gonna...
		Alright.
		I'm going to show some emotion.
		But I'm not going to eyeball the guy and point at him and just, you know, punk him.
		I can do that.
		Guy's a very proud professional athlete.
		He's one of the best on the planet at what he does and deserves respect.
		And that's what I do see with a lot of baseball today is not respecting the game so much.
		And when you win a certain situation, the person you beat, you're not respecting them.
		And, you know, big league guys, at least they used to be, were big on respect.
		And if I felt you disrespected me or one of my teammates, I'm gonna fucking get your ass.
		It may not be today, it may not be this series, but, I mean, I hate to admit this because I actually like the guy now.
		I never met him before.
		When I've done this, I grew up a huge Braves fan.
		You know, I grew up Macon, Georgia, and, you know, by the time I'm five years old, I'm watching the Braves on Channel 17, WTBS, you know, got to make them with, you know, 1979 on a TV with rabbit ears on it.
		And so, you know, I remember where I was when Sid slid.
		I mean, I went to, you know, probably 100 Atlanta games growing up over a 15-year period of time.
		And huge Braves fan.
		And when Jim Lairitz hit that three-run home run off Walters to...
		Beat Atlanta, keep them going up 3-0.
		And then all the momentum shifts from the Atlanta side to the Yankees side.
		And the Yankees, you know, roll to win that 96 series.
		I was fucking pissed.
		And I faced Lakers in 2000 and drilled him.
unidentified		Look at that home run in 96. Some old fan beef?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You hit him with the, what was it, a 96-97?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		It might have a little more hair on that.
		But yeah, it was a five or six run lead.
		They put me at it and worked in a while.
		And Jim came up with one out, nobody on.
		Got him.
		All for basically just doing his day.
		He didn't pit the home run, but it just pissed me off.
		Essentially, Shipping momentum completely to the Yankees.
		The Yankees just steamrolled the next four games.
		And if they had gone, Atlanta had gone up 3-0, that would have been, you know, pretty much all she wrote.
		And I'm like, letters cost Atlanta World Series.
		And yeah, five years later, I'm drilling for it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it was legitimate.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You were representing the Braves at that point, you know?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		And then I met Jim, like two years later, could not have been a nicer guy.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, ah, you're like an asshole.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Did he bring up the bean ball?
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		No, he didn't.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's a class act.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, he didn't.
		Well, I hit him on the first pitch, and I was not one that was known for being a connoisseur or control, so he's not just trying to come inside.
		No, if I'm in there three or four times and fouling a four-time, I get you.
		All right, prick, I see what you're doing here.
		You get him on the first pitch, especially if it's a Maddox, yeah, he got me on purpose.
unidentified		If it's me, maybe, maybe not, maybe.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		So...
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I got a little bit of lack of command to hide out of there.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Connoisseur of control.
		Not the words to describe John Rocker.
		Well, John, you know, you've always been, to me, you've always been a fun guy.
		And it's really unfortunate what they do to guys like you and me when really everybody would get along with us if they met us.
		And that's the world we need to get closer to.
		I appreciate your time today.
		Keep up the great work.
		It's a great follow on X at It's John Rocker.
		I'm assuming you're just beginning to have fun there as you learn your ways around X. And check me out on Cameo, too.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		I do some Cameo stuff.
		That stuff's a lot of fun.
		And most folks on Cameo, it's not the birthdays.
		They want me to roast their friends.
		They'll tell me a few little facts about their friends and just talk shit to them.
		And those are the fun ones.
		Somebody I've never met, probably never will meet, If you've got a friend in New York City, hit up John Rocker on Cameo.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He'll have a few things to say.
		Especially if they're a foreigner.
		I've heard he's not a big fan of foreigners.
		John Rocker, thank you for your time, buddy.
		Great to catch up.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me on.
john rocker ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we have entered the third and final hour of the InfoWars War Room.
		You know, I still got some news, some video clips, but I said I would take calls, so I really do need to open up the phone lines.
		We also have Anya Parampil coming up in the last segment of today's show to talk some geopolitics.
		South Korea, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, and more.
		So we got all that coming up.
		So I'll probably give out the phone number here shortly, and we can take calls and cover some of the rest of this news on my desk.
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		All right, I'll give out the phone number on the other side of this break.
		Let's just quickly, this is Kash Patel.
		This is who Trump wants to put in charge of the FBI. Listen to what he told Glenn Beck in clip three.
unidentified		I never believed that the CIA killed Kennedy.
unidentified		No.
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		You're talking to a guy that's read the entire JFK file.
unidentified		You've seen all the secret stuff?
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		I've seen all of that, and I've seen the seven pages of the 9-11 report.
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it all.
unidentified		You don't say that to people that you can't tell what you saw.
		Should the Kennedy stuff be released?
		Yes.
		Is there anything there that is like...
		Is anybody alive?
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		The problem is the things that we can't release have nothing to do with the questions you guys are asking.
		That's about as far as I can go on it.
		But like the answers you guys want, you pretty much have them.
		There's very minimal stuff that can't be seen from things that you wouldn't even think.
		Are related to that.
unidentified		Why can't we release them?
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		And you're thinking temporally, like, did it stop back then?
		Right?
		You know, the way intelligence works is you're always developing it.
		Where did I get that?
		Where did that go?
		Oh, hey, I found that guy five years ago.
		Let's go talk to him.
		Where does that get us?
		You know, it's a little bit bigger of a jigsaw puzzle.
		I mean, it's the same.
		Look, so the seven pages of the 9-11 report?
		Yes, overnight.
		That needs to come out.
unidentified		I'm telling you, that's got to go.
kash patel ▲ ● ▼		And there will be some people that are pissed off.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm curious if that wasn't intentionally done, that he follows up the JFK files with the 9-11 files.
		He talks about the jigsaw of intelligence.
		I wonder if the two events are connected.
		But he said, release JFK, release 9-11, release Epstein.
		Cash Patel for FBI director.
		Ray will probably resign, but if he doesn't, he'll be fired day one.
		Let's get Patel in there.
		Let's declassify.
		Let's get some transparency here.
		Okay, let's squeeze in some calls in this segment.
		We haven't taken a call all week.
		So let's take some calls here, shall we?
		Phone lines are open.
		877-789-2539.
		877-789-2539.
		Number is on the screen.
		We'll take some calls here.
		Let me cover some news while we're getting the phone lines ready to go.
		The TikTok ban lost...
		TikTok faces U.S. ban after losing bid to overturn new law.
		TikTok is one step closer to disappearing in the United States after a panel of federal judges on Friday unanimously upheld a new law that could lead to the banning of the popular Chinese-owned video app by mid-January.
		What's interesting here is that If ByteDance would just sell it, then it could stick around.
		They refuse to sell it.
		I'm guessing there's more legal battles ahead.
		But it's supposed to go down right before the inauguration.
		The shutdown or sale is supposed to happen right before the inauguration.
		Now Trump has come out in support of TikTok.
		And so that could become a factor in all of this as well.
		The Trump factor, if you will.
		Do you remember the rhino Republican in Texas, the House Speaker, Dade Phelan?
		Well, he was trying to become the Speaker again.
		You know, he was against Ken Paxton.
		He was trying to become the Speaker again for a third time.
		He's now withdrawn his name again.
		From his bid to serve another term as the leader of the lower chamber.
		Because, ladies and gentlemen, the new Texas House is very good.
		Let's just say that.
		And he knew he was not going to get through.
		Texas is not messing around right now.
		And we are getting serious Republicans in there that talk like us, think like us, and want to see the same results as us.
		Like...
		Stop funding all these foreign wars and stop getting us involved in Ukraine.
		This is a member of the EU Parliament coming out against the war in Ukraine.
		A member of the EU Parliament.
		More messages like this are needed if we're going to get closer to peace and call out all of our corrupt political leaders that love these wars.
		Listen to this message in clip five.
unidentified		We need to stop the war in Ukraine now.
		If Ursula von der Leyen and all these government bureaucrats had to send their own children to fight in the front line, will they still vote so passionately to support and escalate the war?
		It's easy to make decisions about the war when you are detached from its everyday reality.
		When it's someone else's child is fighting, when it's someone else who has to face the consequences, Since the beginning of this war, more than one million people have been killed or been wounded in the battlefield, including many civilians as well as many soldiers, both Russians and Ukrainians.
		All these people, they are someone else's children, friends, parents.
		Keeping the war going, which is what the European politicians want, is completely crazy and inhumane.
		We need to find a way to stop it now.
		For more than two years, the United States and the European Union have been betting on winning this war in the battlefield.
		And this strategy has clearly failed, as Ukraine keeps losing its territory slowly, slowly every day.
		We cannot wait any longer.
		We need ceasefire right now, and not more weapons and escalation.
		Politicians out there, please, before deciding the support of the war, please think, what if it was your children fighting in the front lines?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Or them, themselves.
		I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene that put into a bill that if you vote for funding of Ukraine, you have to go serve on the front lines.
		That's how it's done.
		That's how it's done.
		And actually, when you talk about human civilization, it's extremely untraditional that the people that support and want to fight the wars don't go fight the wars.
		That's actually how it used to be.
		Not anymore.
		Now politicians sit in their ivory towers and send everybody else to fight their wars that they get rich off of.
		It's disgusting.
		It is some of the worst political corruption that we have to deal with, quite frankly.
		And And you just hope it comes to an end, maybe, with this next administration.
		Alright, I don't have my phone lines lit up here on the side, guys, so I don't know what the status of those are.
		So if you want to get that updated for me, let's do this.
		A beauty salon owner decided to go public...
		With her hatred of Donald Trump.
		How do you think it went for her?
		She explains in clip one.
unidentified		They're dropping like flies.
		I lost another one of my clients today, who clearly was a Trump supporter.
		And they sent me a message.
		They never cancel their appointment.
		They don't have the courage to cancel their appointment.
		And it's just fucking rude.
		But anyway, she messaged me after I had messaged her.
		Like, hey, I had you down at 3. Just making sure you're on your way.
		I'm making sure you're okay.
		And she wrote back...
		Dear Tiffany, I spelled my name wrong.
		I am so sorry that this last election has upset you so much as to elicit the hateful public posts you made on TikTok.
		Not once, but twice.
		I have really thought highly about you and your posts have broken my heart.
		Since you have made it clear how you feel about anyone who doesn't share your opinion, I feel you have left no opinion but for me to move on.
		I wish you the best and I am terribly sorry.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So you get the point here.
		You know, it's just them getting a little taste of their own medicine, and they don't like it, do they?
		They thought they could just run roughshod over our country, our culture, our politics, and it would never harm them, never come back to bite them.
		Chickens would never come home to roost, as they say, and yet here we are.
		They're getting a little taste of it, and they don't like it.
unidentified		Well, you guys did this, not us.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You created the radicalism, not us.
		We just want our country back.
		We just want common sense back.
		All right.
		Let's take some calls here.
		Let's go to QC in Virginia.
		QC, you're on the air.
unidentified		Go ahead.
qc in virginia ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
qc in virginia ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear me?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
qc in virginia ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
		Okay, so these people catch the fellows talking about the questions we're not asking.
		We have all the answers.
		It goes back to ancient history.
		That's what we've got to look at.
		These people, they look like us.
		We look like them.
		They're human-looking, and they control governments, or even our government even connects with them in some way, shape, or form.
		So these people are in government.
		We have two sides.
		And we're taking a side.
		One side is for us and the other side is against us.
		But they all share one common law, an agreement, that they don't tell us directly who they are.
		Because that would jeopardize the whole plan for how, you know, they've been in control for if we were created.
		You know, come on, guys.
		And all the wars...
		These people are ancient warriors.
		That's all they did was fight wars.
		We're the ones fighting it for them.
		Look at how many humans just run and rush to be growing to pieces.
		Why?
		We should be asking, where's the fence?
		You know, and I'll tell you something.
		The military train you because we need economics, these types of things, but it's strange.
		It's psychological, Owen, and culturally instinctive.
		Babylon, Israel, the Russia, Europe thing, the China thing.
		It's just two sides fighting against each other, and everything else is delusion, so to speak, of that version.
		But, you know, giving us countries and borders and these types of things.
		Anunnaki people.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So it's an alien race, an alien race running our planet.
qc in virginia ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there always has been.
		Absolutely.
		I mean, we will create an incident.
		You were created from your mother's womb, like all of us, most of us.
		And we got our reality from that moment.
		And they got there from that moment, education, history.
		We have a little historical artifact.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I mean, things are so crazy.
		And, you know, the ancient civilizations, ancient cultures, ancient megaliths.
		There's definitely a lot we don't know about in our own history.
		And...
		You know, you could probably even say that there's proof of higher intelligence before modern civilization in some of these archaeological discoveries.
		QC, thank you for the call.
		I've got a short amount of time to take calls, so I want to jump to as many as I can.
		Let's go to Officer Salton in Virginia.
		You're on the air.
		Salton, go ahead.
unidentified		Hey, Owen.
		I want to say hey to everybody in the X chat.
		I just joined X right when you guys got took off, when InfoWars got took down a couple Thursdays ago.
		I freaked out, and then I realized, oh, I could see what Alex is saying on X. So I made an X account, and actually today I tried to share a picture of Hunter Biden on Instagram, and they took my account down today.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		On Instagram they did?
unidentified		Yeah, Instagram literally took my account down today because I shared that picture of Hunter Biden, which apparently...
		Well, I can't say it's Hunter Biden.
		What appears to be Hunter Biden booning with what appears to be a nine-year-old prostitute, you know what I'm saying?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Was that on the laptop?
unidentified		I guess so, but yeah, there's a lot of...
		I mean, I kind of have to assume that it's real now because...
		They've gone through so much trouble to hide all the laptop stuff that, you know, they can say it's Russian disinformation, but at this point you have to assume it's real, you know?
		But yeah, it appears to be...
		The laptop is basically all public.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I know that they had a policy where they, I think they banned anything from the laptop.
		I don't know the exact image you're referencing.
		There were other disturbing images, to say the least.
		But I'm not sure if I know the exact one you're talking about.
		But if it's on the laptop, you can certainly find it.
unidentified		Right.
		It was disturbing.
		There was no nudity, but you'd think it would want to be like a conversation the public should be having with one another.
		The comment I had was, is this really pardonable?
		I mean, he was hanging out with like a nine-year-old girl.
		Anyway, I want to...
		I've had kind of an epiphany...
		Lately, I'm thinking I know why they're flooding the first world countries with immigrants.
		And they're doing it on purpose, like Klaus Schwab and the vampires and the goblins at the top.
		They're doing this on purpose.
		And I think I understand what they're doing.
		They're setting us up for the cyber pandemic.
		So when Hurricane Marie hit in Puerto Rico, the community came together kind of like a little utopia because they were all a homogeneous community.
		But when you have a city like, say, Springfield, Ohio, which is basically Americans and a different group of people who don't even speak the language, what's going to happen when you turn the lights out in a situation like that?
		They're not going to come together.
		They're not going to work together.
		It's going to be like a civil war.
		So I think that's what they're doing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like a Tower of Babylon type of situation.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Or a Tower of Babel, rather, type situation.
unidentified		Right, because you have two communities that view each other as strangers.
		You see what I'm saying?
		So they have to turn the lights off before the latest wave of immigrant children can learn to speak English.
		That's what I'm thinking.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no doubt it's an attack on our country.
		How detailed or deep the attack is, I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
		But it's an attack.
		They're committed to it.
		And that's why they're saying, oh, legalize them all now.
		Bring as many in as possible.
		It's so corrupt.
		It's unbelievable.
		The fact that we even put up with this is unfathomable.
		But yet, here we are.
		Thank you for the call.
		Let's go to Christy in FEMA Region 4. Christy, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, I was calling in about the Congo.
		There's a new mysterious disease down there.
		They're saying they don't know what it is.
		They're saying 143 people have died.
		And they're starting, and like right before it came out, they started talking about disease X again.
		So this is giving me like the COVID vibes all over again.
		And especially with Peter Hoth has coming out and saying on January 21st, the Trump administration is going to have to deal with all these new viruses and things.
		It just all seems a little too convenient.
		If you guys could look into the stuff in the Congo, I've been on it all day.
		It's just weirder and weirder.
		And the WHO is getting involved now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Weren't they just in the Congo delivering vaccines too?
unidentified		Yeah, that was what I said when I first heard about it.
		I just brushed it off and I didn't think about it because they have a big M-pox outbreak and they're giving these poor people that horrible M-pox vaccine down there, right?
		So I was like, well, this isn't a new thing.
		It's just vaccine injuries because we've seen it over and over again, right?
		No, uh-uh.
		They're cooking something up.
		It's feeling really COVID-y.
		The Stars paper said that it was going to be 2025. We're going into 2025 with Trump being inaugurated.
		And I'm just like, how did they blow up his last administration?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		COVID. Well, I'll tell you what.
		You know, it's funny.
		The timing of COVID, it really started to become a story, and people were talking about it, in December of 2019. And so you could say that it's kind of lining up timing-wise, too, if that's the case.
		I would, you know, I won't even get into whatever's going on in the Congo.
		You've just now informed me about this mysterious disease that is all over the news.
		The crew is pulling up stories.
		I wonder if they do try to roll it out again, like Peter Hotez says, oh, all these viruses, they're all gonna, as soon as Trump gets into office, he's gonna be hit with all these viruses.
		Well, okay.
		I wonder what the public perception would be this go-around.
		And that enters into a very interesting time where I don't think people will believe it.
		It'll be more rejected than it was the first go-around, which was mostly a failure as far as control.
		But it'll be rejected again, and people will just say...
		Well, gee, this is really just an attack on Trump.
		And so then you'll get into this entire different conversation about it that wasn't really the popular conversation to have.
		But then that's dangerous because then they could release something that is actually extremely deadly and not just a scam like they did the first go around.
		So I hope we don't have to deal with that.
		But I can understand why your suspicions are causing you concern.
		In that same vein, we now go to Chad in Minnesota.
		Chad, you're on the air.
		Go ahead.
chad in minnesota ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Owen.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Evening.
chad in minnesota ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just calling about the recent release of the final report from the House Select Subcommittee, the coronavirus pandemic.
		Are you aware that that actually, the origin of that was actually brought in back in April 2020?
		And it was actually, it was titled the Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis.
		Are you aware of this?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure exactly what you're saying.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What was brought in?
chad in minnesota ▲ ● ▼		So, Nancy Pelosi actually, the origin of that Coronavirus Pandemic Committee was actually brought in And it was brought in under, it was titled, The Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis.
		So it changed.
		And it changed on January 24th of 2023. Kevin McCarthy announced it.
		So what happened was, the original committee was very heavily based on going after conspiracists that were trying to get hydroxychloroquine.
		Push through as a therapeutic.
		And then now with this final report on the pandemic side, it's very, it's obviously the majority, it's GOP. There's wording in there where they talk about Operation Warp Speed being a tremendous success.
		And what I'm getting at is both sides, both committees, it's very political.
		The elephant in the room is what Dr. Zelenko found through his protocol that hydroxychloroquine, being an ionophore, along with zinc and other things, quercetin, if you want to use an ionophore, different whatever, even just chloroquine or ivermectin.
		There is nothing that is said from the recent report that was released that talks about that.
		Peter Navarro and Dr. Stephen Hatfield Have made it clear that the administration was trying to get that information to the FDA, and then there was all this strange activity.
		Janet Woodcock put it in and got it under the EUA, Emergency Use Authorization, and they deemed it so it was for hospital use.
		So it would be very difficult to have doctors...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole thing was a scam.
		They covered up the actual things that worked so that they could force you to take the shot.
		It was a complete scam.
		I mean, I don't think that this was necessarily supposed to look into that as much as it was the origins, which they are now admitting was the Chinese lab all the time.
unidentified		time.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So maybe there needs to be follow-up committees.
		I know Ron Johnson was leading something at the Senate level looking into why they blocked the things that actually worked and then forced you to take an experimental injection.
		So I don't know.
		We'll see what happens if there's any will for true COVID justice.
		But now they admit it's made in a lab.
		And so, okay, where are the charges of crimes against humanity?
		Mass murder.
		Where are the investigations of those who are funding it and researching it?
		Or are we just supposed to let that go?
		Thanks for the call.
		Let's go to Bob in New York.
		Bob, you're on the air.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Owen, great to finally talk to you.
		First time caller.
		Long time listener since 2008. Wonderful.
		I've been chomping at the bit ever since your final segment on Monday regarding lake effect snow.
		And how you've never heard of it before.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's made up.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't exist.
unidentified		I do have to say that as a resident of Buffalo, New York, I live a mile and a half from the coast of Lake Erie, and let me tell you, it is definitely real.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, you set me up here.
		Either the crew or you set me up.
		Because on the screen, it says you wanted to call in about the rats, the Republicans against Trump.
		Instead, you called in to call me out on the fake effect snow, fake lake effect snow, which they're not talking about it again, by the way.
		I guess you're going to be hit with the new lake effect snow.
unidentified		Well, that's not 100% true, because I do want to talk about the rats.
		I just wanted to lead in, because I said I've been chomping at the bit since Monday to...
		You know, tell you that it is a real thing.
		It's not weather modification.
		It is a real thing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I never said it was weather modification.
		I was just saying I'd never heard of it.
		They're just coming up with a new term to scare you about the weather.
		But fine.
		Lake effect snow is real.
		I didn't switch timelines.
		I didn't wake up in, you know, the Mandela effect.
		Everybody enjoy your lake effect snow.
unidentified		Well, you can enjoy it if you're a kid and you like to go sledding.
unidentified		But let's switch the topic.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I won't be dealing with it in Texas.
unidentified		I certainly hope not.
		Well, you never know.
		You know, they turn off your heaters.
		But anyway, so the rats in the Republican Party, how can we...
		Is there any way we can get by with, let's say...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm against the break.
		Potentially, if Democrats vote in our favor, which, I mean, I don't know.
		It might not be impossible to believe that could happen.
		But...
		It's going to be more about exposing them and then primarying them and then getting them out of the Republican Party.
		That's more likely the result of this.
		Joining me now on all the latest geopolitical issues is Anya Parampil from grayzone.com.
		All the great teamwork that they have over there covering all the geopolitical issues as well as domestic stories.
		We're glad to have Anya on with us today.
		There's so much I want to get into with you today, Anya, but I want to start in South Korea.
		It was a big dramatic story, had all the headlines for a couple hours, martial law, and then martial law was canceled seemingly before most of the world even noticed.
		What was the deal with that, Anya?
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		It was a very tense moment in Korea where I think Koreans went to bed one night and woke up realizing that martial law had been declared and pretty suddenly lifted because of such intense political blowback.
		In the South Korean parliament, but essentially what had happened is the South Korean parliament threatened to impeach President Yoon and he declared martial law, basically not allowing any protests or even parliamentarians were blocked from entering the government building during that period.
		And all of that seems to have been forgotten now because of the quick turnaround.
		But what I wanted to point out here when I was looking at this is that this came at a time when the...
		The United States are pressuring, along with its allies, pressuring South Korea to make the step of directly arming Ukraine with lethal weapons.
		So far, South Korea has helped replenish U.S. weapon supplies so that we could continue arming the Ukrainians, but they haven't taken the step of directly arming Ukraine themselves.
		And, of course, in the last two, three weeks, U.S. and South Korean media and government officials have floated this news item claiming that North Korean troops, due to they were tracking troop movements and they claim that North Korean troops are actually due to they were tracking troop movements and they claim that North Korean troops are actually in Russia, assisting the Russian military in fighting back
		And so there are, of course, people that are skeptical of those claims for good reason, because it was used as a pretext for the Ukrainians to launch high range missiles into Russian territory, which was previously a red line declared by the Russian which was previously a red line declared by the Russian government.
		something that they said they wouldn't tolerate in Moscow.
		And yet, Ukraine went ahead with that With those attacks following the election of Donald Trump, pretty much kind of trying to push as many gains as they could in this period before Trump takes office.
		And so the way that they drummed up support for that move in Ukraine was to claim that this is becoming a global war.
		There are North Korean troops now there in Russia.
		Zelensky recently met with the president of South Korea, was asking, begging for these weapons, and a movement in the streets in South Korea, where people are opposed to South Korea directly arming Ukraine, was brewing.
		People were protesting the president for this possible decision, and so it was interesting timing for that For that martial law declaration to come down, it would have definitely stifled peace or antiwar protests in South Korea.
		And it really highlights, I think, the history of South Korea that many Americans might not be aware of.
		I traveled to South Korea in 2017, did a little documentary kind of getting into the history there of the U.S. role and how a lot of the The media narrative in the West about Korea and the idea that there's this authoritarian hermit state in the North and this free, flourishing democracy in the South really isn't true, because South Korea itself has struggled with democracy all throughout its history, much like the Ukrainians, and they really only...
		We had democratic elections in 1989. So this is a pretty young country when it comes to democracy.
		The government is very harsh when it comes to limiting peace, anti-war demonstrations.
		And also, I think it's important to see how Korea and the Asian theater is now fitting into this larger world war, where you have clear allies drawn, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Syria.
		On one side, and the United States and its allies across, whether it's in Asia, the Middle East, or Europe, fighting this bloc.
		And for Korea now to become a flashpoint just tells me that this war is expanding.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it shows the power of the military industrial complex.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		When you say that South Korea was helping the US provide aid, does that mean South Korea is providing weapons to the US that then they're providing for Ukraine?
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		It's enabling us.
		There goes my book, jumping over my shoulder.
		The South Koreans were giving us weapons, allowing us to replenish our stockpile and then use our reserves to send to Ukraine.
		So that could mean that down...
		I'm not exactly sure if that means somewhere down the line a weapon they gave us months ago did end up in Ukraine.
		But it's certainly something that if there are North Korean troops present in Russia...
		Would be concerning to both the North and South Koreans because you could look at a scenario where North Korean troops are killed with weapons directly or indirectly supplied by South Korea.
		And in the lead up to this, the North did demolish some major connecting railways and roads that were links between the South and the North, which was kind of a sign that relations between the two Koreas were deteriorating. which was kind of a sign that relations between the
		Despite the fact that during the first Trump administration, there seemed to be so much hope and progress, which is why I initially went to Korea in 2017 to see the hope that Koreans had.
		It was very exciting that an American president would go there and actually push for a reduction of U.S. military drills and some sort of peace and reunification with the North.
		Because these are people that have been separated since the end of World War II, forcibly.
		families cut off, never allowed to speak with each other again because of the harsh rules in the South.
		You're not allowed to send postcards, phone calls, anything.
		And these were families that during the war, the following World War II when the Korean War began, there was just a line drawn saying that if you're on this side, you can't speak to the other side.
		And I met people in their 80s, 90s that I knew you were going to say that name.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I knew it.
		Well, I would anticipate Trump will try to engage in some form of effort to bring the two countries together.
		I would guess he'll engage in that again as well.
		How committed he'll be to that, I guess we shall find out.
		But I guess in closing, you had a couple hours of a tense situation, but due to the protests in the streets and what was going on with the other politicians that were blocked, From going into parliament, the president decided to lift martial law.
		And then as far as arming Ukraine stands, it's not going to happen.
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
		That's the thing.
		I think the United States actually pressured Yoon, President Yoon, to lift the Marshall Law.
		They were thinking that it was a bad look because Yoon is a very close ally of Biden and Antony Blinken.
		So they want to keep the face of this happy, nice, democratic country.
		And so they told him, you know, you can't continue with this.
		But I'm sure they are still putting the pressure on to move him to make that decision to arm Ukraine.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it's, you know, get as much in as possible before the door closes as they see it when the Trump administration begins here in just over a month.
		I mean, that's what I see going on.
		Flush as much money into Ukraine, as much weapons into Ukraine as possible before daddy comes home, if you will, and closes the door on that operation.
		And then hopefully we get some peace.
		But, you know, it's funny you talk about kind of the geopolitical gravity of the Russia-Ukraine situation, and yet...
		Obviously not far from that is the situation in Israel that has a lot of gravity as well as far as the world is concerned.
		And so the latest news we saw out of there was a ceasefire that Israel predictively broke within hours of signing it.
		And so I guess that's just going to be how things go from here on out.
		Where do things stand with Israel and, say, its enemies in the Middle East?
		And can a ceasefire be had?
		Or is it another situation where maybe Netanyahu is looking at it like, okay, now we've got to do as much as we can before Trump gets back in?
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		I think Netanyahu is absolutely making those calculations.
		And that's evident in the fact that the minute that we heard about a ceasefire in Lebanon, suddenly...
		Al-Qaeda militants began taking over territory in Syria.
		It seemed that that war was won, that the Syrian army had successfully beaten back these Gulf and U.S.-backed, and Turkish, of course, backed extremist groups in Syria, and then suddenly they erupt.
		They take Aleppo, one of the industrial bases of Syria, and home to one of the oldest Christian communities in the world that has already been Purged as a result of the first round of this war and will now certainly be facing danger under the command of HTS, the rebranded al-Qaeda group in Syria that is now moving further south in the country with the assistance of Turkey.
		And this is what's so fascinating to me is that people, you know, Erdogan has talked a strong game about We're good to go.
		Syria has increased its bombings, or Israel has increased its bombing campaign in Syria at this same time.
		It's almost a coordinated attack against Syria with the Turks.
		So the Turks should be seen as playing their hand alongside Israel and NATO, even though Erdogan often tries to He tries to play all of his cards and keeps relations with Russia as well as Iran.
		It's clear now that Erdogan was waiting in the wings this whole time to strike when he had his moment.
		And now that Israel has weakened Hezbollah, which was a major fighting force that was very...
		That was one of the main fighting forces that was successful in beating back al-Qaeda and other militant groups in Syria.
		I went to Syria in 2019 and saw the billboards that they had all around the country.
		They had Assad, Hassan Nasrallah from Hezbollah and Putin on them saying thank you for saving our country.
		And unfortunately for Syria over the past year, Hezbollah has been weakened.
		Nasrallah is dead.
		Russia is tied up in Ukraine, weakened there using equipment and bodies there.
		And now Russia's military positions in Syria are threatened by this al-Qaeda invasion.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, let's kind of bring this all home too.
		So, I think that when Israel or these different groups look at Syria, and some of these rebel groups are probably CIA-backed, I think when they look at Syria, they see Russia can't come to help, Putin is tied up in Ukraine, so normally the backup they would have there, that's not there.
		And I think the bigger story for Americans to understand here, aside from all the geopolitics, The whole reason why the CIA-backed rebel groups, whether it is Al-Qaeda or under a different name, the whole reason why they've reemerged now under the Biden administration is because of Ukraine.
		Much of these weapons that go into Ukraine get laundered through Ukraine and end up in the hands of these rebel groups.
		I'm sure a lot of the things that were left behind in Afghanistan were sold off to these rebel groups, as well as the new leadership in Afghanistan.
		And so this is why just cutting off whatever What the military-industrial complex is doing in the West is concerned, specifically in America, it brings peace to the region naturally because you stop funding these groups, you stop arming these groups.
		I mean, that was Trump's really greatest victory was just cutting off the money, cutting off the weapons.
		That's why we saw peace, I think, more than anything else.
		But you mentioned Turkey and Israel.
		Okay, Erdogan talks a strong game against Israel.
		The UN talks a strong game against Israel.
		The International Criminal Court talks a strong game against Israel.
		Hell, even sometimes the Biden administration talks a strong game against Israel.
		Is any of it serious?
		It doesn't seem like it to me.
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		I think some in the courts might be serious, but they're powerless.
		Some in the UN might be serious, but they're powerless.
		And the Biden administration is not serious because they are not powerless.
		They have leverage over Israel.
		If the United States wanted to dictate the terms of a peace agreement to Israel tomorrow, they could.
		We could, it's just that it seems that all too often you have people working in our government who are actually just simply working as lawyers or fixers, diplomats representing the Israeli government.
		That's what you got with Antony Blinken, no question.
		So he can get out there and criticize Netanyahu, but behind the scenes, they're not threatening any military aid or anything.
		So...
		I think the Israelis pretty much run the show.
		And let's not forget, the UN created Israel at its inception in 1948. And that's another point that's interesting to me about what's going on right now, is that in a lot of ways it feels like we're still fighting the wars, the remnants of what came after World War II. Korea being a war that broke out right after World War II, the UN heavily involved in that conflict.
		That war was frozen, really.
		It never ended.
		It's still going on to this day.
		Same thing with Israel.
		Israel was created after World War II in 1948 and has been in constant conflict with its neighbors ever since.
		So it seems that we're kind of dealing with the remnants of what wasn't solved during World War II. Yeah, and now NATO, too, to just add more spice into the picture.
		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		So is this an order that is dying?
		And that this is the round in which we see the forces that won World War II are now fighting for their survival?
		Or, I mean, in the case of the Middle East, it's really a tragedy because it looks like Syria may actually be lost.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and Ukraine is certainly going to lose some land.
		I think that that's pretty much a done deal at this point.
		Israel is probably going to take over the Gaza Strip at a bare minimum.
		I think all of these things, well, the future might depend on how quickly can they do it, right?
		Can they get all of this done before Trump gets into office?
		And then once the U.S. changes its foreign policy, everything kind of changes.
		So I think that's kind of a powder gag that we have waiting out there in all these different regions.
		But you mentioned Antony Blinken.
		This is truly one of the most despicable Americans to ever exist.
		I mean, he really makes my blood boil.
		The other day he said Ukraine needs to send younger men to fight and die in the war.
		This is a country that has lost generations of men already.
		They're pulling people out of their homes.
		The Kiev regime has basically been Living in a bubble outside of this.
		It's basically the DC of Ukraine, if you will.
		They're the only ones not really being impacted by this.
		In fact, they're all living rich and happy and high on the hog with all this money coming in.
		It's the rest of the country that's suffering.
		Why is it that the American left that used to look at a figure like Antony Blinken and cast shame upon him is so silent on these issues now?
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		I think really Obama killed whatever was left of the American left.
		I mean, and then Trump derangement syndrome and just everything that came after really broke these groups up.
		But there are still some really good peace activists.
		I'll give Code Pink and Medea Benjamin and those people credit for showing up in Congress and at the State Department to challenge Blinken.
		I think those are, you know, some some people that really do still call out the people that deserve to be called out.
		But you would think at this point, I mean, I guess it's just what we're missing in the United States is a feeling that even though we're involved in all these conflicts and we're at risk because of them, we don't really feel the effects.
		Right.
		Our people are our soldiers aren't the ones dying.
		That's why that's why we love the Ukrainians, because they can supply the bodies this time around.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And so they've actually said that as sick as that is, they've actually said that.
		But, you know, and that's my big concern here is I don't want us to we put a lot of treasure into these wars.
		I don't want to see more blood spilled.
		We've had plenty of blood spilled in these deep state wars, in these military-industrial complex wars.
		I don't want to get involved in these wars.
		We've been able to keep our blood out of it for the most part so far, but our treasure is all over this.
		And it better stop before blood does come.
		And with people like Antony Blinken involved, it just scares me.
		So the Trump administration can't come soon enough.
		I'm not expecting perfect geopolitics or foreign policy from him, but it will certainly be better.
		Anya, thank you so much for your time.
		Where can people follow your work?
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		I'm Anya Parampil on X, and I'm with The Gray Zone, thegrayzone.com.
		You can see our investigations there.
		And then on YouTube, we do streams, and I sometimes make appearances there.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I really appreciate your guys' work over there because you provide perspectives and angles that you really don't get anywhere else.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So thank you for joining us today.
anya parampil ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, there she goes.
		Again, Gray Zone just provides excellent geopolitical commentary.
		You don't see very much elsewhere.
		And so it's just nice to get all the different perspectives.
		And when I look at this, same thing we've been saying here really forever here at InfoWars, and specifically on this broadcast.
		They even made a movie about it, making fun of it, with the great creators of South Park.
		Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
		The Team America World Police thing.
		It's like, we gotta be involved in all of these conflicts.
		But we got our own problems here.
		We got our own problems.
		We got a border issue that's completely out of control.
		We've got poverty issues.
		We've got homeless issues.
		We've got all these issues.
		And I think Americans are finally getting fed up with these world tours of Blank checks, whether it's for Africa, whether it's for Ukraine, whether it's for Israel, whether it's for Taiwan, all these different things.
		And you can prioritize when it comes to foreign policy.
		Well, does it make strategic sense for us to support here or support here?
		But they don't even try to sell that to you anymore.
		They just say, no, this is your duty.
		We just have to do this and you just have to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign countries and foreign wars while you're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on foreign citizens coming into your country.
		This is a mess, folks.
		This is a mess.
		I don't know if you can clean it up in four years in one administration, but certainly you think it's going to be better once Trump gets in than it's been.
		And we do have a track record of that.
		Trump does have a track record of that and some of the people he's bringing in have a track record or at least a desire to do just that.
		But when I talk to people, the average American, not really that politically involved or informed, they all agree.
		And when they see these numbers, they get sick.
		They want nothing to do with it.
		When they go out and they see all the homelessness, when they go and look at their grocery bill, in some of these cities that are just overwhelmed by illegal immigrants, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
		They want nothing to do with this anymore.
		And so we've just gone through four years of the most corrupt administration probably in U.S. history.
		I don't know if it can be cleaned up in four years.
		It probably could be.
		I don't know if it will be.
		But certainly the wars have to stop.
		The bloodshed has to stop.
		Or I'm afraid it won't just be our treasure.
		It'll be American blood again.
		And that is just completely unacceptable.
		So, you know, Infowars is...
		We've stood on those principles and values for decades.
		And we always will.
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		So this weekend, I hope you have a peaceful weekend.
		I hope you have a great weekend.
		Alex is going to be doing some special broadcasts this weekend, by the way.
		He is going to be doing a broadcast this weekend.
		Exclusively on band.video and on his X accounts at RealAlexJones and the AJ Network.
		And he's going to be giving some legal updates.
		There was some legal news today.
		There'll probably be some legal news next week.
		As far as the future of InfoWars is concerned, I would direct you to the Alex Jones broadcast this weekend for more information.
		That's going to do it for the InfoWars War Room this week.
		I want to thank all my great guests.
		I want to thank the great crew.
		Of course, thank the audience as well.
		And God willing, we will be back in this great studio in the InfoWars World Headquarters on Monday.
		I hope to see you then.
		Have a great weekend, and you stay classy, InfoWarriors.
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