Owen Shroyer and Iraq War veteran Christopher Nye-Wame clash over John McCain’s legacy, questioning his VA Accountability Act opposition and veterans’ benefits delays while defending military standards. They critique liberal media bias, comparing Vietnam veterans’ villainization to WWII heroism, and debate gun control, dismissing restrictions as ineffective while pushing armed school guardians like Florida’s Guardian program. Callers highlight VA’s rejection of alternative medicine—like cannabis for PTSD—and geopolitical tensions with China, blending skepticism of military threats with conspiracy claims. Nye-Wame and Shroyer frame dissent as a fight against left-wing "dehumanization," urging listeners to resist through InfoWars products and activism. [Automatically generated summary]
Sure. I think, so, you know, John McCain was a veteran of war.
I was a veteran of war. I think, you know, I went through college so I knew who John McCain was.
Went through the military and knew who John McCain was.
He's very visible. And then you run for president and obviously you become more popular.
I think... I think there is a distinction between the veteran and the politician.
And I think that there has been something created in the media lately where you just are not allowed to have any kind of critique or there is this sort of slam back.
And what's ironic is many of the forces that have been sort of really consumed with this lately...
Are more liberal forces that never liked John McCain, frankly hated John McCain.
So I think that whole fusion is taking place.
But I would say, you know, as a veteran, you know, very few, we have a very small veteran population, frankly.
We've got 22 million veterans in America.
You know, we've got more than 320 million people.
It's a small percentage, less than 1% that serve in armed conflicts.
So I think that from the veteran community, we tend to be protective of our own.
Now, on the political side, you know, I've supported a Republican president every time since I've been voting.
So Bush twice, McCain, Romney, Trump.
So I've been fairly kind of a party identifier in that respect.
So I supported John McCain.
I supported President Trump. So you see this sort of political dichotomy.
But when it comes to the issues, you know, Senator McCain was very opposed to mixed martial arts when it first became prominent.
Yep, he wanted to ban the UFC. Eventually, there was more sanctioning, and then eventually he was supported, but he wanted to ban the UFC at the beginning because he felt like it was too violent.
Now, that was one of those issues where I looked and I thought to myself, well, we have war, so we're killing people, but we can't have mixed martial arts.
So that was the first issue I thought, you know, I just don't know if I fully agree with that principle.
And a long time, you know, he did eventually support the post-911 GI Bill, which I thought was great, but there were some initial...
A pushback because there was sort of a philosophy out there that veterans might, you know, it might be a disincentive for a retention, so you might take the benefit and get out, which of course eventually we would.
That's one of two examples of policy issues where I wasn't so much supportive of John McCain's policies as a senator.
So we're going to be discussing this all day, taking your calls.
We've already got some veterans lined up.
And I've got a surprise.
And we're going to do a little trolling or monkeying around.
Maybe some monkey business on the other side?
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Right. Well, so I had a conversation with one of the Democrats that's working for the Democratic campaign about this, and I kind of pushed back because I do think that everything has become so charged that they want to hear that because then they can react to it and then get fiery, right?
When I was growing up, my grandmother would routinely just say, quit monkeying around.
That's all it was. Quit monkeying around, quit monkeying around.
You hear that regularly, but I think in a political campaign, it's just anything you say is being so hyper-scrutinized by the far left.
And most of my friends that are Democrats don't support that.
Well, that's the, that's the, it'll be interesting to see.
I know many Democrats that don't really like the direction things have been magnetized and they would like to come back to policy specifications and discussing policy and not having everything be so negative before it's even negative.
I think that's the problem. So that is Christopher Nywame.
He is an Iraq War veteran, and he has significantly shaped the political and policy landscape at the state and national level over the last decade.
He founded and operates the Nywame Group, LLC, a Washington, D.C.-based government relations and communications firm.
And actually, you've been doing a lot, some might say, monkeying around The White House right now to help President Trump deal with veterans affairs and veterans issues.
Well, I've been monkeying around my whole life, to be completely fair, since long before I started working in policy.
But yeah, you know, so I come from the veteran community in Washington, legislative work, and this is sort of a...
I think it's become a little bit too partisan lately.
And after that, I kind of moved into some of these issue areas where don't get a lot of attention.
And so, and we've talked about this on the show, but the VA, I mean, the VA is the second largest agency.
There's over 300,000 employees.
Veterans are eligible for so many different benefit items.
On paper, we're doing better than we've ever done.
But in implementation, there's still a lot of issues with the way veterans get health care, with bureaucrats that are high up in the structure that make a lot of money, have a lot of power.
Some of them don't always do the right thing.
So I've been trying to help the administration.
I think this president's, I mean, he's got so much done quickly.
I mean, he was able to get the VA Accountability Act through, which one example worth discussing is allowing the secretary to remove employees that do a really terrible job as opposed to trying to remove them and then having to fire them eight different times.
Before you can truly remove them from the workforce because of a lot of the union policies.
So that was a piece of legislation.
Bipartisan, Obama administration issued a veto threat, blocked it, and then once President Trump came in, that was one of the first things he was able to get done.
I think that's been the biggest success to date.
I know they're working on reforming the healthcare system and working on a lot of other issues as well.
And when we normally do this show, I think this is either the fourth or fifth time we've done this, the VA is usually the main issue that the veterans call in about and want to talk about.
That seems to be the main issue.
Now, today's topic of discussion is going to be Senator John McCain, former Senator John McCain.
What are your thoughts on him?
What do you think of the three-day idolization of John McCain?
He's now the hero of the left that used to hate him.
So that is the call-in main subject for today's show.
But you can go anywhere you want.
The call-in number is 888-201-2244.
It does seem that one of the ways President Trump is trying to solve that issue with implementation is to allow choice for the veterans when it comes to doctors.
It is. So the thing with choice and the choice debate has been misconstrued by some of the legacy veterans organization in Washington, D.C. The choice program basically says if the VA is working great, then you can go to the VA and we want to continue to fund the VA. However, if the VA is not doing well in your area and a veteran has a significant delay between the time they can go in to see a doctor, they have the opportunity to go to a doctor that might be two blocks away from their home.
So it makes a lot of sense.
The big word is implementation, how it actually works in practice.
And I think that's where everything is still kind of, some VAs are good, some VAs are bad.
So what the administration is trying to do is allow veterans that opportunity for choice.
We're moving into that. The hard part is the huge bureaucracy, making sure that doctors don't get stiffed on their bill and they're able to see veterans in a timely manner and that, frankly, the veteran gets the choice and that the VA or the government official is not making that choice from the veteran because that is not real choice.
So veterans tend to get the veterans the benefit themselves.
There have been some moves in recent years to allow dependent benefits in terms of what we call transferability or if a veteran wants to transfer an education benefit to their child.
And that's been great.
It's been a real strong incentive to allow our service members to not only serve, but it incentivizes the family.
Because families don't get a lot of credit in the veteran community in terms of the sacrifices they make when their father or mother goes to deploy.
So I think that's one area where I think Congress and the President's Dating back, many years have gotten it right, but again, implementation, veterans, any of us that have been in the VA system, we've all experienced problems, whether it's a delay in benefits, things like that, So there's always some pipe that needs to be fixed in the bureaucracy.
So President Trump is going ape right now and trying to monkey with the system to get it fixed.
So that is the good news.
All right, we're going to be taking your calls for all three hours of the show today.
We've already got some great veterans lined up.
My guest is Christopher Nye-Wame.
You can follow him on Twitter at Chris Nye-Wame.
And let me just spell that for you.
It's Chris, and then N-E-I-W-E-E-M, nywamegroup.com is his website.
So we'll be taking your calls all day.
The main subject of discussion, John McCain.
What do you think of his life and times?
And what do you make of all the three-day celebration extended ceremonies for John McCain?
And why do you think that the media that used to hate John McCain now loves John McCain?
So that's what we're talking about today, or anything that you want to call in about.
We get to your phone calls on the other side.
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Dog whistling?
You heard CNN? Did you not hear Don Lemon?
That guy is a genius.
So actually, we were having an important discussion in the break, and we're about to go to phone calls here.
I made a comment that people viewed controversial on the Jones show yesterday when I was talking about the military drills being held by Russia and China, which for the first time ever included Mongolia.
Not sure the significance of that.
But the significance was they were massive drills.
They truly amped up what they had been doing in the past.
It was a massive, mighty display of force.
And I just simply said, hey, you know, Americans are kind of lulled to sleep, you know, thinking that no matter what, the American military is in control of the world.
It's the only military that really even exists.
And there's nothing even else out there.
There's no threat of a land invasion ever.
We're no.
But the truth of the matter is a lot of things happen in the military under Obama.
A lot of things happened to the Chinese and Russian military as well, so I just was trying to get people to look and see what they were doing that barely got covered, and I think it was a message, not necessarily a threat, but a message to the world like, hey, we are a military power.
Absolutely. I think that the Cold War is sort of the institutional memory of most people of military size and scope before these new conflicts.
And I think in terms of military size, in the defense community, people are aware of the size of these militaries.
Notwithstanding the military budget, the strength of our military budget, our military capabilities in terms of nuclear power, air force, we're not the largest military in terms of ground troops.
And so I think that's another example of why the defense budget is what it is and why our global power is so important is because if we fall behind, if we reduce the size of the military, it's hard to get it back up.
And having visited China recently, I was sort of struck by the size of the workforce and the size of their ability to produce.
It's strange because everybody I've talked to, I know that's been to China, I've had people that have taught there, I've had people that go there for vacation, other such things.
They always say the same thing. It's a culture shock to actually see the just vast...
Yeah, my thoughts are, number one, you know, our country did not do right by our Vietnam veterans in general.
I mean, the way that the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have been treated has been a real blessing for us in terms of what we were received to.
I mean, I remember coming back to Maine at the airport and having local folks that knew we were coming, that It was like being in a rock band or being in the Rolling Stones.
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I'll never forget that feeling.
Literally just hugging you because they knew you were service members coming back from an overseas deployment.
In terms of this issue...
Vietnam, from what I understand from the Vietnam veterans I've spoken to, was a very unusual conflict in terms of what was happening on the ground, the lack of accountability in terms of some of the rules of engagement, and it was a very violent, very unusual ground war.
The fact is, I don't know what happened on the ground there because I wasn't there.
I know many veterans that have a lot of respect for Senator McCain.
I know many veterans that dislike Senator McCain based on what they believe was giving information to the enemy.
Now, I don't know that that is true or not because I was not there.
But I do think that diminishing transparency and sort of silencing of what a senator the other day had said, you know, anyone that disparages John McCain deserves a whipping.
You know, Brian, I get about 100 emails a day now, and about three of them are t-shirt ideas.
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Which one was it? The one I had was the shirt would be black with a picture of Obama, and above it would be captioned asking the question of Islam being a religion of peace.
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Thank you for the call, Brian. Thank you for your service.
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And the thing that's interesting is, you know, when President Trump won, I remember visiting Chicago and seeing, you know, protesters blocking traffic, all these things.
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There's too many veterans that have bad experiences.
I mean, that's the problem is the VA in central office and in Washington, you have, you know, almost another establishment within the veteran community where you have a lot of people that are high up in veterans organizations that are trying to advance their own careers and sort of doing the politics, maybe helping the vets, maybe not.
And then you have the folks at the state level usually are doing a great job, and then you have the real veterans in terms of the ones that are actually being serviced by those organizations have too many problems like JJ was just talking about.
And I've had good experiences.
I've also had some bad experiences.
I mean, if you really want to see the VA, you walk into the Washington, D.C. VA Medical Center, Health care is good, but the bureaucracy, the way you walk in, I mean, the people checking the IDs don't always check the ID. Maybe you get your ID checked, maybe you don't, you know?
And there's just a lot of cultural issues in terms of not really having a consistent, great experience.
Every VA should be great, really.
I mean, we've got to take care of our veterans, and we're still a long way off.
I think the president's trying to resolve a lot of those customer service issues.
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I won't back down You can stand me up That's exactly what we're talking about right now It's not backing down Being true to yourself, not being intimidated out of free speech.
Alright, now I've got a surprise for Chris here, because actually, Chris has been on the show before, but we first met today, and he was telling me about the first video he ever saw of me, and how it made him laugh out loud.
So I actually, I have that video, but I have the new version that I was telling you about when I ran into this individual on the streets again.
So here is a video of me, let's just say, owning a lib.
She's been featured in at least five of my videos.
And she always has a fart whistle.
Isn't she a teacher? Yes, she's a professor.
Yes, very highly esteemed.
That's great. Yeah, Paul Joseph Watson actually found her profile.
So she's been featured in about five of my videos.
But she's just like lunatic fringe.
Like, never stops blowing the whistle.
Like, tries to block people from talking about me.
And then there's other guys like that individual who I see and we talk and we laugh and it's kind of fun.
So it's like It's weird going to this and the hyper-polarization and the hatred, but it's like, I'm here, I'm still the same guy, you're here, you're still the same person.
Yeah, I think what makes the First Amendment interesting is having two different ideas meet and then have that discussion and You know, not everyone's going to agree with every idea.
I mean, there's ideas you can agree with in part and maybe not in total.
But, you know, I think one of my favorite interviews, too, is when Alex Jones and Dave Mustaine were talking about issues.
And I'm a huge Megadeth fan.
So that's actually my first experience watching Alex.
But, yeah, you know, a lot of these interactions are just folks...
They just don't really fulfill their view.
And it's interesting because to be so free speech, now we're seeing sort of a diminishment of that and sort of, well, we're going to sort of diminish that, whether it's the flag, whether it's anything.
And I think that when you start to diminish that, we start to lose the value of actually having a good old-fashioned American disagreement and discussion.
Well, I'll tell you this. Last year I did a one-year anniversary video.
This year I'm doing a two-year anniversary video of all my street protests.
But this is not even fair.
This is like a documentary.
It's ridiculous. All the content I have.
And I actually need to thank...
There's a YouTube channel.
I don't know the name of the person that does it, but Savage Facts does a great job editing just independently stuff.
So I want to thank him because he's going to end up providing a lot of this stuff unwittingly just because he edited the old videos that a lot of them we lost.
But there was an issue I wanted to talk with you about before we got into the second hour here.
And that was the feminism or...
Yeah.
things happening where the military is being forced to wear high heels in some sort of weird leftist ceremony of standing with the women's struggles of wearing heels or something, which last time I checked was optional.
And but and on a real more level, it's it's they're changing requirements to get into some of these specialties like the Marines, the Navy SEALs, where they want to make it diverse or have women in there.
Well, I'm sorry, the woman can't do X activity, so she can't make it.
So they say, well, then we won't make that an activity a requirement anymore.
So this is going on, but this has major implications.
I mean, as a foundation, the military exists to protect the nation, and protection usually happens with conflicts and, frankly, war.
And my grandfather served on Iwo Jima first wave, and he told stories, and he said, you know, one thing, people don't like to talk about it, and it's not pleasant to talk about, but in the most basic sense, your job is to kill people.
That's what it is. And, you know, through technologies and through diplomacy, we try not to do that, but ultimately, that's why those standards are there.
And I think my experience in the Army has been – I'm a pretty slender guy.
I'm not going to be picking up Ken Shamrock or anything like that.
But in terms of physical prowess, men and women are built differently, right?
And so in terms of the physical attributes, there's those differences.
But over time, I think we've seen a lot of benefit to the talents and the diversity of having – Some of the women I serve with are some tough troops.
I mean, they did a great job.
Daniel Peterson's one that comes to mind.
Performed the same task just as good.
But there are some areas where that's not the case.
And when I deployed...
I would say 80% of the women in my unit did a fantastic job.
I do recall, and I think it was just sort of happenstance, that some of the women had the heavy gunnery, had the M249s.
These are frankly heavy weapons, right?
And there were various points during our deployment to Iraq where...
And I've heard debates, and they're good debates, but I've heard some of these men, frankly, say, look, you can't throw me on your back and carry me a mile.
And you might need to do it. So that's where the concern comes from.
So I support those integration, but I think we need to have fair discussions about requirements and about being able to do that.
And look... Many women can do the job, but certain occupations that overly rely on physical rigor and where it's a matter of life and death, some of these special forces components, many friends I have in that community, they start to share those concerns of all things being equal.
At that level, life or death, physical attributes, if you can't throw that 250-pound man on your back and carry them, you know, that's where those sort of, the hierarchy or those standards and those echelons start to really matter.
So I think that my concerns during the Obama era, some folks were put in positions where, in my humble opinion, they didn't have a military background, and it was politics.
It was, you know, this is the first individual to serve in this kind of role, political background.
You know, I think we need to be able to have discussions.
But when you're overseeing a military whose job is it to be lethal and you're making decisions and you don't know, you don't know what it's like to be in the military, there can be limitations.
You don't need to serve in the military to support troops or to be a great leader.
I want to make that clear. But having that experience does provide that expertise when you're looking at policy specifications, especially making policy at the Defense Department.
Well, I think there's a political and social element to this that can actually be applied to almost any situation.
But directly applied to this, there's a political and social element that believes, well, you're just trying to keep women out of the military.
You're just trying to keep homosexuals out of the military.
You're just trying to keep transsexuals out of the military.
And it's like, no, no, nobody ever said that.
That's never been anyone's agenda.
The thing is, here's the standards.
It's these standards for everyone.
Here's the standards that this individual needs.
That doesn't meet the standards that we need for this entire unit.
So now you're asking to change the entire makeup of the unit for one individual you're trying to put in there because you want to put a feather in your cap and say you did it or because you think there's some sort of social justice involved in that.
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And they did find out that I think a couple thousand of the Japanese people in the internment camps were Japanese spies trying to trying to organize in the United States.
Sure, and beyond that, there were polls where many, many Japanese American citizens refused to acknowledge Japan as the enemy.
But my basic thing was, I think this really is troubling.
It's really interesting to... To hear this experience, this must have been really terrible for many of these citizens that were great people.
But let's think about U.S. Marines like my grandfather who were out there fighting in Iwo Jima who, had it not been for the atomic bomb, would have been killed.
I mean, if we had invaded Japan, the death toll would have been out of this world.
For both sides. For both sides, but all I was trying to do was give my view, and I was shut down.
I wasn't called on, but then the class started clapping.
The class was behind me, and so that's when the leftist professor gets upset because they've lost now, and then I had to go to the department chair who did nothing, which is what happened.
So I don't know how I got through a bachelor's degree and a master's degree through mostly very, very liberal professors.
Well, and this actually, I've got a question that I think goes down that path that I'll ask you on the other side.
And you brought this up earlier, where if you go back and you look at after World War II was over and the parade in New York and the reception when the veterans came home, heroes, right?
Then you look at the reception after the Vietnam War.
Totally different. Cold.
Unaccepted. Villainous.
Treated in some cases.
Okay. And then you were talking about your experience with the Iraqi war.
Perhaps maybe a mix of both, but you were accepted.
You weren't looked at as a villain.
You weren't looked at as the bad guy when you returned.
We're about to go to break here, so we'll get into more of this on the other side, but would you say that Looking at the different ages and different wars, there's been different receptions for every return of the troops?
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Everybody's seen the images, seen the videos, studies it, the textbooks.
Then you've got the Vietnam War return, kind of a dark, cloudy thing when we cover it in history, kind of even a villainous thing, not really the warm reception.
You look at what was happening in the culture at the time, artists like Jim Morrison, very anti-war.
A lot of the people in the media, entertainment, Hollywood, anti-war.
What's bad?
What's going on in Vietnam?
And then you have the Iraq War, kind of a mix.
I think you had the media polarized to the point where the left thinks anything that the Republicans are behind is bad.
So the war was bad.
Bush was bad.
Oil war, whatever they want to say for that.
But you also really, I think universally, at least at that time, because of 9-11 and because of the war, you had a sense of patriotism, a sense of unity.
And so respecting the veterans and having a good welcoming home for them was at least commonplace.
They weren't treated negatively like a lot of them were treated when they got back from Vietnam.
So would you agree with that?
And then what do you think you why do you think that is?
There was this culture that the war was unnecessary or that it was, you know, there was this sort of culture where I obviously didn't live through it.
I've just studied about it in history class and those things.
I did a minor in U.S. history in college, so we dug into this a little bit.
I think that in the age post 9-11, there was just a newfound sort of patriotism and the military was sort of held up.
And I think we were fortunate to have that support.
And I can remember all the various waxing and waning of public support when we were serving in Iraq.
I was there in 2003 during the invasion time period, the early time period.
I think what we see now is a new culture.
And it's the issue of, I think what we'd call in the military community...
Hero worship versus broken veteran.
And that's the new debate, right?
Is we are either held up as these iconic heroes, or we are sort of broken.
I think the truth is, it's everything in between.
I mean, veterans are, you know, it's like a good friend of mine, Thor Wold, who's a veteran as well, works in Washington, D.C. He would say, I am a veteran, comma.
And then some. It's not, I'm a veteran, period.
And so I think talking about Veterans as individuals and their experiences and really kind of helping the public understand what they did, what their occupation was in the military and sort of maintaining its noble profession without the hero worship and the sort of broken veteran who a company might look at as, well, they could be a risk if we could hire them.
Everyone's different, but I think that veterans make good employees.
They make good small business owners.
And so I think hopefully going forward, the new image of veterans will be Thank you.
It's the same thing, not to equate the two, but it's kind of like the same thing they do to dehumanize people in the media, where people look at Alex Jones or even myself, and it's like a dehumanizing thing.
Like, I'm scum, I'm dirt, I'm not even a human.
Some people may feel that way about veterans, whereas on the other side, it's like the total hero worship, like you said.
But it's like veterans, just like anybody else, are just people, too.
They're just people, too. Now, I would say, for me, I feel like the reason why there is at least some sort of grounds for...
Assumed respect or admiration from a veteran because, you know, there is a high chance that or a known fact that they put their life on the line for a greater good and they committed to a service that perhaps I didn't commit to or others didn't commit to.
However, I hear it from veterans.
In fact, it's veterans that say this to me more than anything.
Whenever someone's, you know, trashing a veteran and you have the side say, well, you know, you don't speak ill of veteran, you know.
Veterans are the ones that tell me like, no, hold on.
I have plenty of buddies that I serve with here that came back.
I wouldn't admire them for a second.
Right. So usually it's kind of veterans that are keeping that, you know, kind of humbling that, if you will.
They do. And frankly, veterans talk more trash to each other.
I mean, the veteran community is frankly like almost worse than high school in terms of disagreements.
And again, I want to hit on this one more time.
There is some great veterans advocates, many in Washington, D.C. that advocate for veterans.
but there are some at the top of some of these national veterans organizations that make a lot of money.
They haven't done anything in decades.
They haven't accomplished anything in decades, but they sort of, they're sort of, you know, they play the political game, whether it's with VA officials or with others, and they really don't like when a veteran goes out there and has their own voice or brand, whether it's a liberal Democrat, whether it's a conservative Democrat, or whether anything.
Why are they taking that position?
And they sort of like that regimentation.
But after the military, freedom tastes good.
And I think that would be my response to your thing, Owen.
I think television is powerful because it's like an amplifier.
And so if someone has a negative perception of someone, I think that when they see them, it just becomes heightened where they're like, now I like you less.
Or they like you more because of that sort of...
So I think there's that power of television.
But with that also comes...
The little you see now is your institutional memory.
Instead of studying all of someone's positions, you could say, oh, wow, I actually agree with this person 80% of the time, but I would never know that because I never listened to that person.
But it's like they take a 10-second clip of Alex Jones from a three-hour show, and they'll take a 10-second clip and hate him for 10 seconds out of three hours, and they won't know anything else he said.
But then it's beyond that.
It's even... Three hours of Alex Jones on air is still only three hours out of 24 hours of his day.
You know what I'm saying? So it's like people tend to forget that there are lives here and that people are human.
And I'm not saying I'm innocent from this either.
I think that sometimes I fall guilty of this too when I see people on television and I just hear them spouting nonsense.
I tend to go in that same direction.
I try to stay conscious of that.
Let's take a call here before we go to this break.
Let's go to Todd, who's calling in from North Carolina, whose father is actually a veteran and wanted to talk about VA issues he's been holding.
Go ahead, Todd. Yeah.
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Hey, Owen. Yeah, my dad, he was a retired officer from the Marine Corps, and last year he went into the VA system, and one of the issues and frustrations that I had was just the conventional nature of the VA system.
I wish there was more of an acceptance of Alternative medicine within the VA. My dad, once they got him on a certain line of pharmaceuticals, there were so many side effects from those pharmaceuticals.
So you're saying more, just to kind of put some terms to it, let's say Eastern culture or not necessarily Western medicine, you know, a pill and a bandage prescription for everything is the answer?
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Well, I'm talking about InfoWars life for veterans.
You know, the veterans now, some of them have anger issues.
My dad, he had anger issues, you know, towards the end.
He was, you know, suffering from dementia and things like that.
But at one point, they stuck him in a hospital area.
Literally in a bed for a month and we couldn't even really see him.
There was like one visitation time during the day and he was in that bed until his feet You know, swole up to where he couldn't even put shoes on and stuff like that.
Well, you know, this is an interesting topic, and I think that it's a lot of politicians or people who are involved in this at the ground level are afraid to go there because it kind of is untreaded water.
It kind of is untraversed grounds.
What do you do? Do you say...
Okay, I've got X symptoms, and you want to prescribe to me this pharmaceutical pill, but I've heard that all of these natural remedies work.
Okay, well, how is the system built?
I think this is what Todd is talking about.
Todd, thank you for the call. The system is built to say, well, no, we prescribe you this pill.
Or we prescribe you this surgery.
And sometimes there may be an alternative option, whether it's a natural remedy or something of that nature.
But so what option do you have there?
Who's taking care of it now? Well, now all of a sudden the VA and the government's not interested in taking care of you anymore, right?
Oh, unless you go into the pharmaceutical industry, the Western medicine industry, well, then we're not responsible for you.
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All right, we had a caller bring up an interesting topic, and we're actually going to take it a step further, and we're trying to get someone, we're going to get a friend of yours on here to talk about medical marijuana and the positive impact it could have on the veterans, which to me, I don't even see how it's a debate, how the government can tell you you can't grow a plant from the earth.
I mean, that's more of a general topic of discussion.
But back to the caller's point about You know, if you want to get treatment, and this is how it is for anything in America.
I mean, this is the Western medicine, you know, industry, right?
I mean, if I want to get insurance, they're not going to pay for me to get nascent iodine from Infowarsstore.com.
And, well, okay, I guess that's their prerogative.
But the caller's point is valid in that The only options you have for healthcare is what they give you.
You don't get to decide, hey, this is what I think is going to work best for my health issue.
The Western medicine industry is going to say, well, no.
No, it's not. You have to take our medicine.
And so, I mean, it's really more of a...
I think overall debate, but I guess could be, you know, applied at the VA level and maybe implemented there for a test thing.
But do you find that that's a common concern from veterans that they maybe don't want the Western medicine industry solution to a concern and they'd like to try something else?
So the VA sort of treatment paradigm is sort of pharmaceutical drugs or alternative methods.
And the alternative methods really aren't available yet.
There's been limited looks at chiropractic care, equine therapy.
And what we continue to hear is that the veterans tend to prefer opportunities to have alternative treatment.
But what happens is that the researchers in the science on one half, they're right because they want to make sure everything is working to the best of its ability.
We don't want to just tell a veteran to go do something that's not going to be clinically helpful.
You've got to have it... Put your finger in the light socket to help with the sleep apnea.
But in terms of the problem is then the researchers sort of control the choice.
And the interesting thing is with cannabis, and I've been told from the experts I'm learning in the cannabis industry is not to use the term marijuana because they feel like that's more of a dated term that has more derogatory associations.
I'm learning every week new intricacies, and that's why I'm hoping Jason Beck will talk to us because he's such an expert.
He's fantastic. So let's bring Jason Beck on now to talk about this issue.
So, cannabis, medical, marijuana, and the VA and veterans.
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Jason, break it all down. So, first of all, thank you guys for having me on today.
You guys do a great job with everything that you do.
But yeah, cannabis is really the number one hot-button issue in America.
80% of Americans support the medical use of cannabis and so I really don't understand why our VA has not gone on board with the whole cannabis crusade so to say.
It's really kind of a travesty.
It doesn't support any of our veterans.
You know, cannabis helps a number of our veterans that suffer from PTSD as well as a whole host of other ailments that are all caused.
Let me play the devil's advocate because I can already hear the curmudgeon sitting in their living room right now.
Oh, you just want to smoke pot, you hippie!
So what's your response to that?
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That is, I mean, in all honesty, that's just fake news.
Over the years, I've had dispensary since 2001.
I'm the longest continuous retail operator in the United States.
I've served a number of Vietnam vets over the years, Korean War vets, and World War II veterans throughout the years.
I even actually had one veteran back in the day who, when he would come in, there was an Asian lady At my counter.
And as soon as he walked in the door, he literally dropped on one knee and grabbed his cane and had a whole instance where he thought he was back in the vehicle.
And you know what? It was because of his checks that he wasn't able to have cannabis for the last two weeks.
And that's one of the things that triggered that whole reaction.
So there are actual cases and medical issues that it's been proven, and even in your experience, can help these veterans?
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Correct. Correct.
Now, one of the things is a lot of the medical research has always been stifled because all the groups that fund medical research, the government has only funded studies that prove that cannabis is bad for you.
They don't fund studies that prove that cannabis can help.
There are plenty of studies, and they just came out with new studies, and I knew that these were coming down.
They're now linking marijuana use to schizophrenia and other such things.
But, okay, I'm sure that that's true.
Of course there are going to be negative impacts. If you take any pharmaceutical drug every day, For 10 years.
It's going to have worse negative side effects than marijuana.
So they do all these tests on marijuana to try to prove it's bad, but they don't apply that same concept, that same logic to the pills they're giving the veterans.
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Exactly. Exactly right.
You hit the nail on the head with that one.
And you know what's funny is that cannabis is actually one of the safest substances that we have on the planet.
A girl drank so much water to get a free Wii, she died.
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Exactly. Exactly.
And the reality is that no matter how much cannabis you consume into your body, the only thing that's going to happen is you're going to murder a bag of Cheetos.
It's illegal in Texas. And one thing that Jason can break down, too, is with cannabis legality being different across states, it's very interesting because veterans might have access to something in their state, but then with the VA, because it's federal...
We still have that sort of federalism issue, which is very interesting.
So I know Jason and I have been talking about policy in Washington, D.C., and I think with this president, he's more open-minded to looking at some of these treatments.
And I know Roger Stone's done a lot of hard work on this, too, in terms of there's a lot of benefit that we need to explore.
You'd like to see cannabis moved off Schedule 1 somewhere else, correct?
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Yeah, yeah. I'd like to see it in a Schedule 4 or 5.
Now, for a number of years, I was always a person that was always about de-scheduling and treated as a nutraceutical.
However... That isn't going to do a lot of help for some of our most neediest patients, including veterans.
And I just recently learned of some new studies that a large percentage of Republicans and Democrats support Medicare and Medi-Cal paying for medical cannabis.
And the only way that insurance will be able to cover medical cannabis is if it's a Schedule 4 or 5.
Interesting. All right, Jason, thank you so much for joining us today.
Is there any place where people can go find more information on yourself and this information?
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Go ahead, Craig. Hi, good afternoon, Owen.
Thanks for calling in. Thanks for having me on.
I just want to say God bless you and God bless Alex Jones for all you do.
Long time listener, first time caller.
I just wanted to say that John McCain, the soldier, I've got no crimes against him.
He served in Vietnam. He served his country.
He volunteered like we all do.
I just wanted to mention about John McCain, I don't know if you know about the MH17 investigation.
It's alleged that rebels shot down the Malayan Air Force, sorry, Malayan Aircraft.
We have a book missile, which is a SA-11 gadfly NATO standard.
And in 2015, Poroshenko said that he'd sold all his SA-11 gadflies to Georgia military.
But if you Google the Kiev Freedom Parade, which happened last week, you'll see your book missiles on display like he doesn't care.
Yeah, thank you, Craig. It seems like, Chris, he's kind of along the same lines as you and a lot of other people that say, you know, I respect the serviceman and I have no negative things to say about the serviceman, John McCain.
However, the politician, John McCain, I have plenty of negative things to say.
Sure. I mean, it's, you know, and he gets critiqued from the left and the right on that.
I mean, you know, there was an article that was obviously unfavorable, and it was a hit from the left that essentially said, we believe that he often dabbled with being a maverick, but when it came down to it, he ended up doing the wrong thing.
And of course, that's a left critique on policy.
But I think, yes, as a senator, there have been many positions that just have been sort of obtuse.
And look, I'm just going to have to go there.
I mean, Senator McCain essentially voted for himself in the Obamacare vote.
I mean, to me it was... I mean, you campaigned against this particular set of policy in terms of individual mandate, and it's a complex law, but he campaigned against it The people didn't want that.
That's not what he campaigned on.
The party sure didn't want it.
And it was more of a personal thing.
And so I think there's obviously that personal...
What I said the other day in D.C. local news was basically, look, running for president is a competitive thing.
These are two competitive men who competed.
And that's what happens in competition.
You have that sort of friction.
But in the end, when it comes to policy, I mean, I think that...
A lot of folks just don't want to support the president on the personality because he hit him on something.
But really, when it comes to policy, he's been getting a lot of things done.
And frankly, just doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
It's literally doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
Which is refreshing because most politicians don't do what they say they're going to do.
Right. And Craig makes good points when he talks about all the things McCain's been involved in since being a senator.
Thank you so much for calling in, Craig.
But I mean, I look at some of the stuff that Craig mentioned, and I look at McCain's final legacy, and I sit here and I say, you know, if he wanted to be against Trump for whatever reason, okay, then I suppose that's his personal decision.
But it's the fact that he made that his politics and made that his final legacy was voting for Obamacare against what the people wanted, against what he campaigned on.
And then basically saying Trump bad from the grave.
So to me McCain decided to make that his final legacy.
It's funny that story they had pulled up.
McCain next to what they call is a quote unquote literal neo-Nazi.
Washington Post column praises McCain as human rights champion with photo of him next to quote unquote literal neo-Nazi.
That's of course according to the Washington Post.
But that's what he's talking about with that deal in Kiev and the Ukrainians.
And, you know, elected officials tend to have a long history of votes, so it's not uncommon for them to come across a vote that didn't make sense.
But you do see these sort of interesting almost kind of hypocrisies where, you know, President Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize.
You know, you look at, you know, someone that would say, okay, human rights award for, really, I think no one would disagree, a neoconservative Republican senator that, you know, wanted to expand military conflict, wanted to expand conflict in Iraq.
That's just the way it was. That's why one of my personal favorite sports is I like mixed martial arts.
I like to watch it. I've always liked Ken Shamrock, Frank Mir, some of my favorite fighters.
But Senator McCain was against mixed martial arts because he thought it was violent.
Obviously, that sport did evolve, but the point is those are those things where you scratch your head.
I think that the reason why we talked earlier about the populism of I think we're in an era of populism now of how can we have wars where we're dropping bombs and killing people, but yet we can't have two competitors that want to do Greco-Roman wrestling or boxing.
Well, in some of the most controversial issues in the country, for example, abortion is a controversial issue.
I feel like the left has weaponized certain industries and issues have been done well, where it's like, you know, the theme is, You know, a woman's right to choose.
Okay, a woman doesn't have a right to choose to shoot heroin or a right to choose.
And so now they would get fiery if they heard that.
But in my view, it's literally all about the optics.
You know, you don't have the right to choose to use heroin, right?
Exactly. So my body, my choice, I can decide to kill my kid.
But as soon as that kid is born, it's no longer my choice.
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It's just like you could do a whole show on that, I think.
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McCain has been the main issue, but we've kind of gone off on other issues as well.
Let's see where Tom, who was in the Air Force and is in Pennsylvania, let's see where Tom wants to take us.
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Hey listen, I'm calling in because I've seen reports on the net recently about embedded, secretly embedded Chinese troops In California, in the West and Midwest United States, in relation to that, that they're buying up large swaths of land, farms, and houses ranging from very inexpensive houses to multi-million dollar mansions.
And related to that, there's tens of thousands of UN vehicles both open and hidden throughout the United States.
So I see this as a possible pre-invasion force.
When you couple it to the upcoming possible false flag, they're going to be here, and they're instantly going to put on either their home country uniforms or the UN blue helmet uniforms and attack us from within.
And I haven't heard a lot of it.
Anywhere except from Steve Quayle and Dave Hodges.
You guys have talked ad nauseum about them being in Hollywood and influencing senators and congressmen and stuff and the colleges.
But no one seems to be talking about the embedded military.
So can you talk about that or tell me what your thoughts are?
Yeah, let me respond to that and then we'll get Chris's response to that.
As far as reports and stories of Chinese troops, actual Chinese troops being embedded in the United States, I am not familiar with.
That seems like something that would have crossed my path.
So that's new to me.
UN troops in California, I do remember seeing reports on thousands of UN troops who happen to be from China being stationed and embedded in California and across the U.S. So I think that there is definitely something to that that I know of.
And then, when you talk about the Chinese influence on Hollywood, the universities, our own parties, mainly the Democrats with the Clintons and Feinstein, and I'm sure others, yeah, that's a big issue.
But, you know, as far as a potential land invasion, you know, ahead of something, I mean, you're really getting out into some new territory there that's very...
I'm not saying it's not possible.
I mean, you lay out a fair enough case to make that point.
I can't say that there's anything I know specifically about that.
But as far as the UN is concerned, yeah, they're stationed here for sure.
They've got tons of station grounds.
They've got vehicles and everything all over the place, which I don't agree with.
I think that's domestic occupation to me.
I'd like to kick the UN out.
I'd like to be out of the UN. Let's get Christopher Nywame's take on this.
I think my colleagues in the intel community would probably have heard something about that.
I haven't heard that. I'd be curious to see where some of those reports are coming from.
But I will say, there's the issue of, we have Confucius Institutes in the United States, which are Chinese cultural exchange programs in American universities, which allow Americans and Chinese students to sort of have a cultural exchange like any country.
I think they're interesting. I think we should support them.
But there have been concerns about potential Chinese spies in Confucius Institutes.
But those concerns have sort of been more political and more sort of things like that.
There have been some congressional reports.
I believe Senator Rubio has looked at that.
And I know that there are certain arms of the U.S. government that have done some research into that.
But I haven't seen anything like that to raise any overt concern.
I think we would know more about it.
In terms of Intel perspective, but that's really interesting.
Yeah, I think if there is any concern about I'm more concerned about radical Islamic compounds like the one we just learned about in New Mexico.
I think that that's what John Kelly refers to when he says, if you knew what I knew about domestic terrorism, you wouldn't even leave your house.
So I don't know if there's anything more concerning to Tom there.
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Tom, did you have anything else? Yeah, I mean, I realize that we face domestically, internally, there's a lot of threats from Islam and jihadis and possible terrorists and that.
But it's also interesting that there's been reports, like I said, these are from reputable internet sites, Dave Hodges at commonsenseshow.com and Steve Quayle at stevequayle.com and YouTube videos and also emails sent to both of them.
And there's also a build-up of Chinese in Mexico.
Now, Mexico is in such a terrible way right now with, like, the cartels controlling it and the shootings and stuff going down there.
So why would there be large numbers of Chinese in Mexico?
And this is verified from people and truckers that have been down there.
Let's address that. I think my response to that would be there's 1.6 billion Chinese people on Earth, and so they're everywhere.
And China's constantly trying to expand as well.
They're trying to expand in the South China Sea.
They just built a massive We're good to go.
I'm not saying I believe this.
I'm saying I could see it.
There being some sort of Chinese space weapon trying to burn California to the ground.
And I'm not kidding. Because look at the relationship that Harry Reid had with Chinese trying to make dirty land deals in Nevada.
Look at the fact that Dianne Feinstein just got caught with a Chinese spy for 20 years.
Look at the fact Hillary Clinton just got caught with the Chinese literally in her computer.
Really, Dianne Feinstein was a Chinese spy.
Hillary Clinton was a Chinese spy.
And Trump just announced a space force.
Some of these wildfires in California, the experts are just left clueless as to what's going on.
So, I mean, if you really want to go out there and say, you know, is China using some space weapon to start fires in California?
Ha ha! I'd be crazy enough to consider it.
I'm not reporting that that's going on.
But I think overall, though, Chris, I think that more people are waking up just in general that geopolitically speaking, China is more of a concern than anyone else.
And in the defense security strategy document that comes out, you know, China and Russia has been looked at as a more conventional adversary.
So the military is training and identifying those as those conventional adversaries.
And I think, again, it comes down to optics and it comes down to the way that people view things and a variety of issues.
And the Second Amendment issue is a separate issue.
But again, that's one of those things where people have sort of an optical position on things when they don't have those sort of facts and concerns.
So if someone sees a report like The reporter, there's a theory they're quick to sort of dismiss those sorts of things.
And I think that, you know, that's where the issue is, is not being able to sort of discuss and look at those correlations and talk about issues openly.
Well, and they'll come out and they say, oh, Schroyer's crazy.
He just reported China starting fires.
Man, we don't live in Kansas anymore, bro.
People act like, oh my gosh, you just said that something they haven't told us exists, exists?
It's like, do you really think that everything that exists in the world you've seen?
Like, people say, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
So there's no conspiracies ever?
Like, our own government admits they lied to us.
So I don't like people trying to act like you're crazy if you want to suggest that there's something out there that they haven't seen before.
But another point to this, too, it was about a year ago, a year and a half ago, the U.S. military switched from desert training, which they'd been doing for a decade, to jungle training.
For the first time. Now, a lot of people were theorizing they thought that that meant they were maybe going into Venezuela through the Amazon rainforest in case of something going on there.
Maybe it has something to do with China because that's one thing where, I mean, the military doesn't change its training platform unless there's a...
The real reason that they're considering.
So to me, that would be a bigger sign than anything.
See if you guys can find it.
Yeah, there it is. I think it was about a year and a half ago.
They changed from desert training to jungle training.
Yeah, there it is. December 16, 2017.
So what do you make of that?
Do you think that that is something that may alert people?
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There's this weird...
I don't even know how to really put it into words, but it's like you were talking about a story where you were talking to a certain individual from the Parkland, Florida High School, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, one of the activists, Cameron Caskey, I think is the guy's name, and he was offering his opinion, and you offered your opinion, and there's this weird thing like...
Whenever you respond to like – and it's mostly the younger generation now, I think, the younger generation that's coming up, let's say, with liberal-style beliefs or what have you.
Whenever you offer a response to their opinion or offer a differing opinion or simply correct them – I don't even think it's arrogance because I think they're really too young to truly be arrogant.
I mean, okay, every young person is arrogant to some extent, but what I'm saying, it's actually a trained thing where they really believe they're beyond reproach.
They actually have this psychological belief that That it's like a stunning thing for them to be even responded to.
You were telling me how you simply offered him a simple, you know, like, hey, listen to this logic that I have behind why I support the Second Amendment.
And he was just stunned. He didn't want to hear from you.
He didn't want to talk to you. He didn't respond. It's a weird psychological thing.
They really believe they're beyond reproach.
And if you even respond to their opinion, it's like...
And I think that the far left wing of American politics has done a good job on some issues, weaponizing it and creating an image that's so firm that if you try to oppose that image, you're sort of pushed back.
I've never seen something more politicized.
And I'm over-analytical.
It's got its downsides. It's got its upsides.
But when I watched that whole thing play out, I saw how political it was and how they were emphasizing, for example, donations from the NRA. And I kind of scoffed because I was like, that's nothing.
You're not changing government policy with millions.
That's just standard.
I mean, studies have shown campaign giving does not lead to...
I studied this in graduate school.
It doesn't. Now, there's access and there's influence, yes, in every single industry.
But my issue was...
And this youngster, I thought he actually was a fairly nice guy.
I think he's moderated a lot over time and obviously he's been through this experience which was very negative and frankly frightening.
Many people have been through similar issues in their lives, especially people in the military.
But I confronted him on this issue of the Second Amendment because his thing was, you know, we're the experts and we're the ones that, well he's not an expert.
They're not on the policy in terms of, you know, look, we could restrict a lot of human, we could increase human mortality by outlining alcohol, doing a bunch of things.
But with that, you're going to be taking away large swaths of freedom.
So the point was really twofold.
One, to actively advocate to take away your own constitutional rights so the government that failed you can have more power to maybe fail you again while losing your freedom in the process is oxymoronic.
And he didn't want to have that conversation.
The second one was I brought up Tiananmen Square, China.
And he said, well, that was the thing with the guy in front of the tank.
I'm like, yeah, the guy in front of the tank and the government killing thousands and thousands of people with firearms because they were disarmed.
Yeah, you're right. And look, there's a fair discussion to be had on both sides of this argument, and I don't think he raised the fair discussions.
I mean, one of my mentors that I work on firearm policy, my friend Eric Clausen, he's more on the left side in terms of, well...
Even if the government rebels against us, you know, they're going to have tanks.
So even if you have an assault rifle, and that's an interesting point, but still we can't look decades into the future of what a world would look like when the citizenry just doesn't have that opportunity.
So, you know, there's going to be discussions about gun control, but my issue is when you don't talk about statistics and you challenge someone who wants to get on CNN and be big and tough and look at me, but then when you actually are challenged and you have real questions, you got nothing.
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No, this is actually a good point because you had, I believe it was Meadows Pollock, was Mr. Pollock?
Pollock's daughter that got killed in the Florida shooting.
And so he's trying to implement, he's not making it a political thing.
He's just trying to make it a school safety thing.
That's been his, you know...
But here's a man who lost a daughter, okay?
And so if they want to do this whole thing, oh, I'm an expert, I was involved, well then he has to be an expert too.
Look, if I go to a boxing match, I'm not an expert boxer.
If I'm sitting ringside at an MMA event, that doesn't make me a fighter.
That doesn't make me a trainer. You know what I'm saying?
That's kind of the equivalent they try to make here.
But here's a guy, Mr.
Pollock, who's actually trying to, politics aside, just trying to make schools safer.
But, you know, what's amazing is, you know, he doesn't get the airtime, right?
I mean, he's not lifted up.
And if anyone's going to be considered the expert on this, if they're just going to slow out the term expert all of a sudden, well, how come he's not an expert?
David Hogg became the guy.
I mean, right? Some guy who, twig arms over here.
But he's the expert.
But Mr. Pollock, you know, he doesn't get the time of day.
It's gotten a little better because I think that Andy's expertise in terms of looking at policy has been so reasonable.
You know, we were able to get an op-ed placed in USA Today, and I think some of the feedback was, you know, you guys did a really good job of actually not making this polarized and looking at policy.
And these are very technical issues of, you know, some basic things.
You know, parent communication network where everyone can be able to put in feedback— You know, metal detectors on doors.
Look, we protect government buildings.
We protect many things with the same security measures.
And in some respects, you know, the school board folks tend to want to say, well, you know, we've got these officers.
Well, you do. Many of them are retired.
They're in checkout mode. They're not ready.
Andy Pollack's Guardian program that he's working on expanding in Florida, some counties are doing well, others like Broward County is still resisting it, is...
What? Yeah, they're not openly endorsing having armed guardians that are specifically trained for these significant mental health backgrounds, specific marksmen.
And these are people that are of all backgrounds, from church deacons to custodians to former law enforcement to veterans.
And in Polk County, Florida, they're doing a great job.
But Broward County has still been very...
Unfortunately, we lost a school board race the other night in terms of we're probably going to see more of the same.
So, you know, we've really got to, you know, hold them up and agree.
It's just been so hyper-political.
And, you know, to lobby to end your own rights, to me, is very oxymoronic and in many ways stupid.
That's true. And so, again, my thing would be, if you really feel that way, and some on the left, I give them credit.
They're honest. They're like, look, I think it's outdated.
I think it should be changed.
Okay, so then you've got to go for a constitutional amendment or a constitutional convention to amend the Constitution.
And there's many, many, many gun regulations that are just not implemented.
So, you know, everyone should be at the table, but it has become very hyper politicized.
And in this instance, even when you're not politicizing it, you know, there were many people.
And again, online people say things, but people were very negative about Mr. Pollack because, you know, and one point he was wearing a Trump shirt because, you know, like most Americans, he has an opinion and he has supports a candidate.
And he was really ripped by some far left people that were saying very nasty things.
And so I think that, you know, again, it's technical, but statistically, you know, I think the issue is it's very tragic and it hits us.
But if you look in the aggregate in terms of alcohol and other other risk factors, it's not unique to that.
And I think that the actual school guardian program would do a lot to defray and defeat a real threat.
because once someone comes through that room, they need to be dealt with.
And a liberal politician giving a speech on the U.S. Senate, I mean, if I could have, you know, Senator Chris Murphy's cell phone to say, hey, Senator, can you come over here?
People don't worry about a trained, competent law enforcement officer, but remember, law enforcement comes after the fact.
So I think we're looking at a short-term provisional policy inside the gun debate, which is going to happen.
It should happen. I'm open-minded to many gun regulations, but I just don't like the way in which the debate is advanced from this sort of professorial, well, here's how it's going to be.
And usually, people like Igor Volta I've certainly never been in a situation where they've actually been in a combat environment like me and like other people that have served in the military that understand security and understand those procedures that they seem to be resistant to.
Yeah. I also wanted to say that I'm really mad at the globalists right now.
You know, I actually consider myself a globalist as far as I love the human race, and I really want us to succeed, and I'm all about us just making the world better and, you know, living my...
Let me kind of maybe break this down and then you finish it off.
It's not globalism and people coming together and that we're necessarily against.
It's the way it's being laid out.
It's the way they're building a control grid and the mechanisms that they're using to build this one-world government structure with Chinese communism at the helm.
That's our issue with the globalism.
So it's being rolled out as some, oh, coexist, tolerant, liberalism, accepting, when no, it's a blood-sucking parasite that is not the answer.
So yeah, if globalism was free market globalism, you know, I don't have to pay for all these socialist hellholes.
Okay, let's talk about it.
That's not what they're offering.
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You still there, Alex? Go ahead.
America doesn't have to take over the world, you know?
I mean, everybody can have their countries and enjoy their nationalism, but let's dread freedom throughout the world, not censorship, not, you know, not this garbage that they're pushing.
I'm just really mad at them, you know?
They could have come in and been the good guys and been like, hey, you know, we're gonna, let's try to make this world better, but no, they're like, no control.
Everybody just pipe down and listen to me, but, you know, it's Well, you have to consider this too, Alex.
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Go ahead. You got me now?
Okay, Sir Owen, Sir Christopher, I appreciate everything you guys are doing for our country.
Hey, I have my shirt, and I have my slant in.
I'm doing good there. But here's what I wanted to talk about.
You know, in the Air Force, you know, a lot of people don't understand, there's only one combat trained unit in the Air Force, and that's the security police officers.
Which I'm one. Or was one, anyway.
And so I was trained.
I went in right near the end of Vietnam.
And I got trained by all these Vietnam veterans.
And I heard a lot of bad stories.
That's really all I can say about it.
So I have the most respect for them than you can imagine.
And being an era veteran, It makes me proud.
What made me sad was watching them come back and how they were treated.
And those same people in the late 60s, early 70s, during the Kent State and Ohio State riots and all that, those same people are the same ones that were doing it to them then, and they are the same ones that are running this country and that are on the street and taught those people on the streets to do the same thing.
Let's do this right, because you're talking about a serious issue, and we were talking about this earlier.
You know, you had, I mean, if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, you know, you can talk about the CIA involvement and all of this stuff.
Oh, yeah. Let's keep it regular level here.
You had media and pop culture that was anti-Vietnam War.
And, looking historically, I look back at the Vietnam War, I wish we wouldn't have done it, I wish we wouldn't have been lied to about the Gulf of Tonkin, but that's not the soldier's fault.
The soldier went in there believing that they were doing the right thing.
The soldier signed up for the good fight.
They didn't know what was awaiting them there.
They didn't understand what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin, which, by the way, was Jim Morrison's father.
If you want to go down that red pill, I'll just throw that rabbit hole out there for you.
But, regardless, I think that that's why, and it's amazing to hear that, that you say, hey, I think the Vietnam vets deserve the most respect.
They got the least because that's what the treatment was like in the media.
Now, again, you can stack that up to whatever you want, but that is genuinely the case.
Would you say your experience is kind of the same as Liberty's?
Well, I think Liberty brings up an interesting point.
I mean, some of the Vietnam veterans I've spoken to have talked about some very dark things on the battlefield in terms of blurred lines and things that were, frankly, heinous, just things that happened in that combat environment and very intense.
And I think that I agree about that issue with policy.
There's a little secret I'll give the audience about Congress and the way that they work in terms of very technical policies.
If something's expensive or there's a program that they don't want to implement, they slow play it.
Maybe the House passes a bill and maybe the Senate doesn't follow through, or researchers come out and say, well, we can't really prove this correlation to Agent Orange in the water, so we're not going to approve...
Disability payments for Vietnam veterans that were in the water that got Agent Orange.
And so if I'm a Vietnam veteran, I'd just be so angry.
It's frustrating to see the inconsistencies in policy and certainly I think having a sort of perspective on war is helpful.
And again, I think that's one of the things where President Trump doesn't get enough credit, too, is he's trying to eliminate these sort of endless sort of conflicts.
And he's still sort of opposed politically, you know, tend to go into that political channel.
But Liberty's experience is very interesting in terms of what the Vietnam veterans are talking about in terms of the benefits that they get and haven't gotten.
And frankly, just now, a few years ago, are getting...
Disability payments related to certain types of Agent Orange disease.
And hopefully for Iraq and Afghanistan, we don't have to wait 10-15 years to get compensation for breathing issues and other issues that we're experiencing.
Well, and one of the issues too, and we'll get a final comment from Liberty here, is that they were lied to for so long about Agent Orange and about what happened there.
So that's a major, you know, that was a big offense against the Vietnam vets as well.
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Anything else, Liberty? Well, yeah, just to kind of touch on your point, just You know, not the political side of it as much as just how the Vietnam veterans were treated.
And although I didn't serve in Nam, I guarded nukes for six years, and I was trained by all these Vietnam veterans.
And I've heard almost every outlandish story, you know, gruesome story you could hear.
And it feels like we're the red-headed stepchild.
Even though I didn't serve, I still get treated that way because I'm an era veteran, you know?
I feel like, though, there's a general, in a lot of young liberals out there, hatred for baby boomers.
And I think that maybe there's some sort of correlation to the Vietnam War with that.
But I don't know. I see that all the time.
It's like they feel like it's people in that age group's responsibility for everything that's wrong in the world.
unidentified
Right. Hey, well, let me say one thing, Owen.
The same spirit you have on your show every day, because I've been listening to Alex for 20 years, and I've been watching you and listening to you now for as long as you've been there.
You have the same spirit that I had when I was, like, you know, 17, 18 when I went into the military.
I was like... What the hell is wrong with these people?
You know? So I appreciate your spirit, and trust me, us boomers, we love our country, we love our kids, and you gotta remember, we're your...
Go home. And figure out the next selective anger event that you're going to attend.
Alright, we got other veterans called in.
We're going to go to them in the next segment.
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Yeah, no, it's one of those things where they want to punish you.
And what's interesting is I remember something I found interesting.
I thought about this the other day randomly.
Most of the disagreements you have with someone on the left that you don't know, I've noticed they never really want to have the debate, you know, like a sports match.
shake hands they want to start dismissive fight and then whether you whoop them or you don't whoop them or whatever they go away and they're still nasty and not nice and they don't you know i mean it's almost kind of like you haven't earned the right yet to have and so they come from that really sort of negative angle but i think in the age of trump what's interesting there's a certain loyalty and almost kind of fervorance with him where it's reversing now where they get punished You know, they do that.
They're dismissive. Then they get hammered and they don't get their end goal.
And then more people support a more outside establishment view.
Then they get really angry. And that's when you start having kind of like the meltdowns and sort of the crazy statements that people make in response to more traditional ways of thinking.
You're the type of person that I would put in control, just for lack of a better phrase, of a unit in California to do stuff like that.
See, I didn't even think of that.
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That's winning! Isn't that toxic masculinity?
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And that's the big issue, too, is that, you know, sometimes it's hard for people to get connected with somebody that might be interested in, you know, doing a street activism activity.
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Bikinis holding up. I love it.
I know. I'm sorry. I didn't even call in about that.
I just wanted to let you know, like, my dad and my dad had been talking about all the pedophilia that was going on within the Catholic Church.
And we're Catholic. And, you know, in institutions and in Hollywood and how disgusting the government is.
And he's a Republican. And he's like, look, they're just disgusting.
And when I saw the episode 9-11, I'm like, holy crap.
It's all true. My dad hasn't been lying this entire time.
And I wanted to say one more thing about gun control.
People want to take away our guns, but people really don't think about how much drug driving kills people.
What about the fact, this is the CDC's own numbers, Chris, pharmaceutical pills kill more people in this country than heroin, meth, marijuana, cocaine combined.
He said, I've owned guns for over 30 years and never have I come home and heard them going off by themselves in the gun safe.
That's my best. But it's true.
They don't go off by themselves.
So it's a matter of how much of your own freedom do you want to restrict.
So I understand the concern of these things can be lethal.
We need to look at them, you know.
But again, of the FBI statistics of shooters that have gone on dangerous rampages, all of them have exhibited at least three very disturbing behaviors over time.
We need to figure out intervention mechanisms to handle that.
That's something we should be agreeing on.
Of course, then you run into HIPAA and other things.
But that's not the focal point of the left.
It's only the one thing.
It's restricting the freedom, curtailing it.
But I haven't seen them call for a constitutional convention yet.
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There's no swampiness. That's because I hide in Arlington, across the river, where the good Americans are, you know?
And, you know, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago, so, you know, I've never really been...
In some ways, I always consider myself an outsider because I work in politics, but...
My family's never been involved in politics at all, so there's no, there's not that, you know, when I interned in Congress when I was an undergrad, I was there with, like, the Harvard, you know, I was kind of like from, you know, Northern Illinois University, and I'm with, like, you know, I'm from Harvard.
The Wolfpack, huh? But of course, I'm doing an internship at the George Washington University.
But I was a veteran. I'd already served in Iraq at the time, and I do feel like, again, like we talked about earlier, there's a very – I think a very favorable view of veterans in this age where I think that's always – I think in some ways if you play it right, I think we get a lot of special treatment when it comes to employment and stuff if you're able to sort of present those skills well.
The things you don't learn in school that are so important, whether it's how to manage a budget, how to interview for a job, what type of clothes to wear, like cultural connectivity.
And it's interesting when you talk to real people out there.
Their perspective on issues, and sometimes when you're working on policy or you're working on Capitol Hill, you do actually get lost.
You're thinking about that report or that statistic, and you're thinking in that terms, and yet many of the people that are on cable television doing all the bait or stuff, they have no frame of reference at all.
And we talked a little bit about the gun issue.
Some of the left-wing people on the gun issue, they have zero connection.
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They've never been in the law enforcement.
They've never been in the military. They just woke up and they're like, I'm going to work on this issue now.
Louis and Chicago are kind of like brother, brother, sister, sister, brother, sister, whatever you want to say.
A little rivalry there. No, but I love Chicago.
It's funny, though, because Democrats in central Illinois are pro-America.
They totally underestimate the Midwest— A Democrat in the Midwest is a capitalist.
You tell a Democrat in the Midwest you're a socialist, they're going to want to slap you, and they love guns.
You know what I'm saying? The Midwest loves guns and loves capitalism, and they think everybody's like these coastal Democrats that are communists and hate guns.
I think they call it south of I-80 in terms of political and going to grad school in Springfield, Illinois.
People are very different.
The way that they approach life, the way that they think.
I think that growing up in a suburb is interesting because it's nice and it's convenient, but until I was in the military, I probably had a very limited experience as well in terms of other areas.
At this point, I've been to over 25 countries.
I've been to most every U.S. state just because of politics and the military.
But it's important to have that perspective because as you go through life, especially working in policy, if you don't know how someone's thinking, it's going to be much more difficult.
To understand their perspective, but there's a lot of suburbanites that literally have never been anywhere, and I think there's a study, I unplugged the microphone, I would do that, there's a study that shows most people, I believe, are born, work, live, and die within 40 miles of their home, which is interesting. No, no, no, it's actually, the numbers are the highest now than, I just covered this the other day, less people actually leave the United States to tour the world or go to another country now than ever.
Let's take one more call here, and that's going to do it for the day.
Thanks to everybody who called in.
Thanks to all the vets out there that listen every day, too.
We love you. Brandon, calling in from Austin, an Army vet.
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Go ahead, Brandon. Hey Owen, can you hear me?
Yes, sir. Listen, thanks for taking my call.
I love you guys. I appreciate what y'all do.
Love Alex. I've been a fan for years.
I was in Fort Hood back in the early 90s.
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Thank God it wasn't during an active conflict, but I kind of red-pilled myself during my Army career with a lot of Alex Jones.
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I just want to say to those out there who still have any doubt that this is a spiritual war that we have going on, you better get right with God, okay?
And it doesn't have to be Jesus or Allah or Buddha, but just a higher power as you see fit for yourself, right?
I know we're all picky these days.
Pick a God and just go with it.
Also, real quick, the CIA coined the term conspiracy theorist as a rubber stamp, and I hate that every time I hear about you, Owen, or I hear about Alex Jones or Paul Joseph Watson, it's like you're a doctor, right, or an MD. It's like Dr.
Owen. No, it's conspiracy theorist Owen Scheuer, right?
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But no, but you've seen the videos.
I go out to the street. I won't even say a word.
I won't even say a word.
I won't even look at these people.
My presence causes a spiritual reaction in them, and the ugliness comes out.
Christopher Nyweme, thank you so much for joining me.
Great to be with you. Of course. We'll be talking.
He's going to be a guest more often.
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