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OB #98 - RFK Jr.'s Confirmation Hearing

Russell provides live coverage of RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing in the senate, and immediately regrets it. Support us on Patreon! Purchase a magnet handmade by Lauren!

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	And to say thank you is really, really encouraging and cool.
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	Because in this day and age, we need more good things.
	So one of the things is that I went to see a psychiatrist the other day, and I came out of that two-hour appointment with the psychiatrist basically being very confident and throwing me slightly off guard with the degree of confidence, like, yeah, pretty sure you, like, very sure you have autism, like, ASD, and also pretty sure you have ADHD as well.
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	I heard that over a year ago.
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	I'm like, okay, that's cool.
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	Lots of forms to fill out, all that good stuff.
	So yeah, that's validating and good.
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	I was in the company of a wonderful human being who thrust upon me, finally watching Everything Everywhere all at once.
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	But yeah, directly related to what we were talking about kind of in the recent weeks on the show.
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	Okay, so it has, of course, been yet another chaotic week in the Land of the Free, with a lot of truly harrowing things happening, and being said, some of which Russell has discussed, and some of which he has not.
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	With that in mind, I will let Russell introduce what it is we're going to be covering today.
	Surely you are an awakened wonder.
	That's why you're here.
	That's why I'm here.
	We're here to awaken together.
	We're starting the show a little early because the RFK confirmation hearing is so satisfying and extraordinary.
	I have, and let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with this, earmarked the confirmation of RFK as the early signifier The Trump 2025 project as opposed to the Project 2025. What is that thing that everyone's obsessed with, Project 2025?
	What I mean is I see sort of RFK and Tulsi Gabbard as the, no, this is okay.
	This is new politics, new politicians.
	Jay Bhattacharya, Marty Makari.
	I sort of, because they're, I guess, look, I'll put it on the table.
	I know them.
	I know RFK. I actually know him.
	And I feel like...
	He's a really great person.
	If he's in charge of the HHS, America is definitely going to improve.
	If he gets somehow, if they find a way that he don't end up getting that gig, I'll be like, oh, okay, okay.
	So with that said, let's go over to the confirmation hearing right now, and we're going to give over the majority of today's show to that.
	That is right.
	What we'll be watching today is Russell's live coverage of the first day of RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing.
	It was happening as Russell's show was scheduled, so he just covered it live.
	Okay.
	What an interesting take.
	It's a choice.
	So it was happening so Russell had not seen the hearing?
	No, no.
	Entirely did not know what was coming.
	I think it started just before his show.
	And I think with, if memory serves, more Republicans up top.
	So I think he was having more of a positive experience.
	Was gonna say.
	I don't think I've...
	I mean, the clips that I've seen...
	I don't think I've seen...
	I mean...
	What a silly, silly feeling we had about Brett Kavanaugh, right, guys?
	Wow.
	Oh, man.
	I've never...
	I mean, even compared to, like, Pete Hegseth, like, RFK Jr. shit the bed so hard it pushed the bed away.
	It was intense.
	Yeah, in the hearings, like, I don't even think...
	To see a person experience those questions and have so much trouble, I would think if I were RFK Jr., I would say, I'm not going to do this.
	I quit.
	I'm so obviously ill-equipped that I should probably not.
	I'm just like, I can't even answer these questions, so I really can't do the job.
	I mean, I'm responsible and have shame.
	Yeah.
	Silly me.
	That does help.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Man, that's...
	What an interesting...
	Yeah, okay.
	It's a choice.
	It really is a choice.
	What a fascinating decision to make, to say that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	One thing I slightly agree with him on is that RFK Jr. getting confirmed is indeed an early signifier of optimism towards the Trump 2025 project.
	Not Project 2025, of course.
	That's something completely different, I'm sure.
	But I agree in the sense that RFK Jr.'s confirmation is a little bit of a litmus test for just how fucked the U.S. is about to become.
	At the time of recording, Following this, RFK Jr.'s nomination passed the initial panel at 13 votes against 14 votes for, and it goes to the full Senate sometime in the coming days to determine whether he'll be confirmed as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	Republicans hold the Senate 53 to 47, and with Trump's side making threats towards anyone who dissents, RFK Jr. not being confirmed would require at least four Republicans with a backbone, and I suspect in this year of 2025 that might be a little bit too much to ask.
	Yeah, I mean, it's tough because it was so bad.
	Yeah, it was awful.
	It's really, like, it was, it does seem ridiculous.
	It's absurd.
	It's absurd, which, again, paints this whole decision-making process in a really interesting light.
	So let's get to the first clip from the confirmation hearing.
	Because, yeah, Russell described the hearing as being satisfying and extraordinary earlier on.
	That's what was so shocking to hear!
	Yes, yeah.
	And then what we leap into first is RFK Jr. being grilled by Senator Elizabeth Warren.
	Yeah, Russell may have spoken too soon.
	Check it out.
	Let's go over to the confirmation.
	Let's keep going.
	You're right to say yes, because every American has the right to know that every decision you make as our number one health officer is to help them and not to make money for yourself in the future.
	So I want to talk more about money.
	I'm looking at your paperwork right now.
	In the past two years, you've raked in $2.5 million from a law firm called Wisner Bomb.
	You go online, you do commercials to encourage people to sign up with Wisner Bomb to join lawsuits against vaccine makers.
	And for everyone who signs up, you personally get paid.
	And if they win their case, you get 10% of what they win.
	So if you bring in somebody who...
	You've got $10 million.
	You walk away with a million dollars.
	Now, you just said that you want the American people to know you can't be bought.
	Your decisions won't depend on how much money you could make in the future.
	You won't go to work for a drug company after you leave HHS. But you and I both know there's another way to make money.
	So, Mr. Kennedy, will you also agree that you won't take any compensation from any lawsuits against drug companies while you are secretary and for four years afterwards?
	Well, I'll certainly commit to that while I'm secretary.
	But I do want to clarify something, because you're making me sound like a shill.
	I put together that case.
	I did the Science Day...
	Mr. Kennedy, it's just a really simple question.
	You've taken in $2.5 million.
	I want to know if you will commit right now that not only will you not go to work for drug companies, you won't go to work suing the drug companies and taking your rake out of that.
	While you're a secretary and for four years after.
	I'll commit to not taking any fees from drug companies while I'm secretary.
	I'm asking about fees from suing drug companies.
	Will you agree not to do that?
	You're asking me to not sue drug companies.
	No, you can sue drug companies as much as you want.
	I'm not going to agree to not sue your confidence or anybody.
	It's definitely got quite a good vibe for a confirmation, isn't it?
	I'm sorry?
	Hostile, but like, hey, it's an atmosphere.
	Plus...
	She's over the shoulder at any moment.
	Cheryl Hines, RFK Jr.'s other half, is on camera behind RFK Jr. some of the time, and she was in Curb Your Enthusiasm, hence Russell singing the theme tune.
	She's also not looking thrilled to me.
	No.
	No, I think she has a lot of reasons to not be particularly happy.
	No.
	I'm amazed she, for real, on the record, I'm amazed she hasn't bailed yet.
	Really.
	That's shocking.
	Yeah.
	So the crucial thing to note here is that obviously this is all going out live, meaning Russell obviously doesn't know what's coming, and that also means that instead of pausing whatever's happening on screen like usual, whenever Russell is talking, he's actually putting the content on mute while the hearing keeps rolling.
	So, uh...
	So what just happened is Liz Warren made a big point about how RFK Jr. made $2.5 million in the last two years by convincing people to sue vaccine manufacturers through Wisner Bomb.
	She then asked if RFK Jr. will state for the record that he won't be profiting from these lawsuits while Secretary of HHS, and RFK Jr. refused to answer.
	It's a bad look, because Russell spends a chunk of his time complaining about government officials using their office for personal profit, and RFK Jr. is all but confirming that's what he intends to do.
	So, Russell has to mute the hearing, say, hey, this has a good vibe, doesn't it?
	And sing the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme tune.
	It's Russell's equivalent of jangling keys and whistling suspiciously.
	Yeah, and poorly!
	Because he let that whole thing...
	Go into the record unchecked, which that's that whole clip, which is satisfying for me.
	Yes.
	Which means bad news for Russell.
	So he also, if you're listening and you're not watching, he was writing on a cup in the middle of that clip when he probably should have been listening.
	Paying attention.
	Yeah, I'm paying attention because he's...
	I don't think he's great off the cuff in these situations, so maybe consider where your attention is, not doodling.
	Yeah, well, what he wrote on the cup was, it was Wisner Bomb, B-O-M-B, was all he wrote on the cup, and then held that up to the camera.
	I'm like, why?
	And then drank out of it.
	And then drank out of it, yeah.
	He drank out of the Wisner Bomb.
	So that's a point for the Warren side.
	Yeah.
	That's a Wisner bomb.
	Boom goes the dynamite shakalaka.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	He did it wrong.
	Yeah.
	He bombed, shall we say.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	I think this did take Russell a little bit by surprise.
	Like, oh, legitimate critiques.
	Didn't expect that to happen.
	Right!
	That's what I'm saying!
	And this is what, not just me, oh my God, I don't want to take credit for that, but as far as knowledge, they talk about it too, or anybody that's really watching this stuff, It's like whenever the news first happens and the cement is still wet before it's been turned into concrete and is finally cemented as the party line of the conservative pundit party line.
	Yeah, they usually say stuff correctly because they instinctively know what is good and bad.
	That to me is evidence that you know the difference between right and wrong.
	So you don't have an excuse to then switch your little words around and move these little goposts you got later and flip the script.
	Because he heard that and...
	Didn't know any better to lie!
	No.
	No, no.
	And, yeah, throughout this confirmation hearing, we may see a degree of coping mechanisms coming into place to try and deal with it.
	Oh, so this might be kind of...
	Okay.
	It could get interesting.
	So we jump back in here, as Russell is evidently hoping the conversation has moved on at least a little bit while he was talking.
	But we get into Liz Warren describing the...
	Many ways that RFK Jr. could personally profit from being HHS secretary, and so Russell has to make a choice.
	You can publish your anti-vaccine conspiracies, but this time on U.S. government letterheads, something a jury might be impressed by.
	You can appoint people to the CDC vaccine panel who share your anti-vax views and let them do your dirty work.
	You can tell the CDC vaccine panel to remove a particular vaccine.
	God, she's horrible.
	Tell me in the chat.
	I can tell that's not a very nice pose just from listening.
	Oh, she's a woman!
	Just on a spiritual level.
	Do you sometimes get an intuitive sense that you're not being very nice?
	Like that person's not like, hello, I'm here to do a confirmation.
	This person is, I'm here to try and disrupt this process and to prevent you getting into office.
	Yeah, you're not being a very nice person, Liz Warren.
	Yeah, she's horrible, not a very nice person, is not being very nice on a spiritual level, and she's here to disrupt the process and prevent RFK Jr. from getting into office.
	It seems we have officially taken a turn away from the satisfying and extraordinary.
	Yeah.
	Russell Brand!
	Tone cop.
	Yeah, it's tone policing.
	Yeah, it's tone policing.
	So we got...
	Hey guys, remember when we talked about Darvo?
	We got deny, attack, reverse victim offender.
	Right?
	Right.
	Deny.
	There are two ways that these men have denied what this woman is saying in front of us right now.
	One is like, well, you didn't say it very nice, so I don't have to listen.
	Tone policing.
	That's what Russell did.
	And then RFK Jr. That's a sentence that is...
	Should be understood.
	That sentence made perfect sense to me.
	Did it make sense to you, Al?
	Yep.
	Perfect sense of first listening.
	Yep.
	So then RFK Jr., there's a reasonable expectation that RFK Jr. would understand that sentence saying, I don't understand.
	Also, denial.
	Like, oh, no, no, no, no.
	You're going to have to run that back and explain it differently.
	So then I will listen.
	So let's just keep our ears peeled.
	How about that for some deny attack reverse victim offender in the future?
	Might get a little bit of that.
	I'm also not quite sure that Russell knows that it's Liz Warren specifically speaking because the feed that we're looking at is just RFK Jr. squirming in his chair.
	We can't actually see who's grilling him at any point in these proceedings through Russell's feed.
	He knows he hears a bitch.
	Because it's a woman talking with confidence and accuracy.
	She's not very nice.
	Obviously she's fucking crazy.
	Must be.
	So Senator Warren obviously continues to take RFK Jr. to task.
	And rather than running cover for RFK Jr., Russell takes a different tactic in this next clip.
	Turn over FDA data to your friends at the law firm, and they could use it however it benefited them.
	You could change vaccine labeling.
	You could change vaccine information rules.
	You could change which claims are compensated in the vaccine injury compensation program.
	There's a lot of ways that you can influence those future lawsuits and pending lawsuits while you are Secretary of HHS. And I'm asking you to commit right now that you will not take a financial stake in every one of those lawsuits so that what you do as Secretary will also benefit you financially down the line.
	I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines.
	That's not the question.
	You and I, you have said...
	You're asking me, Senator, you're asking me not to serve a vaccine.
	Yeah, you are.
	That's exactly what you're doing.
	I'm not overreacting.
	I'll kill you if you say I'm overreacting.
	Robert Kennedy will have the power to undercut vaccines and vaccine manufacturing across our country.
	And for all of his talk about follow the science and his promise that he won't interfere with those of us who want to vaccinate his kids, the bottom line is the same.
	Kennedy can kill off access to vaccines and make millions of dollars while he does it.
	Kids might die, but Robert Kennedy can keep cashing in.
	Senator, I support vaccines.
	I support the childhood schedule.
	I will do that.
	The only thing I want is good science, and that's it.
	How about then say you won't make money off what you do as Secretary of HHS? Mm-hmm.
	No response to that one.
	Do I need to get the shade button?
	I might.
	I don't know.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, right.
	So through all of that, Russell was staring at his phone on camera, other than to briefly take the piss out of Liz Warren.
	And as you correctly pointed out, Lauren, yeah, it was RFK's union that started yelling.
	Well, well...
	Senator Warren was making the very strong point that RFK Jr. can kill kids with his rhetoric and future policy and still make a boatload of money from being in office, and RFK Jr. still refuses to say that he won't personally profit from being HHS secretary.
	If Russell were in any way consistent or actually believed the things he said, he should be livid about RFK Jr. But the reality is, he's come too far.
	if he turned on rfk jr now which he would have good reason to do so but if he did that what the hell else would he do like what what what other power center could he gain proximity to because like trump's dance card is full up um and i don't think russell has quite the right vibe for that fit anyway so like who would be left like tulsi gabbard uh nah russell is too far down the rabbit hole
	and so rather than deal with any of the justified complaints that liz warren has russell just stares at his phone and refuses to engage with the critique it's like nope well i i was hoping in my mind, when I saw him pick his phone up, the Netflix docuseries was the bubbles of text being like, to Gareth Roy, hey, are you watching these confirmation hearings?
	I need help.
	That's what I thought that was.
	I was hoping that was it.
	I'm in over my head.
	Are you watching?
	What are you doing?
	It could be.
	Like, I need you to patch in stat.
	Or texting RFK Jr. being like, hey man, this doesn't seem to be going well.
	Or just canceling plans.
	Like, just going through their calendar shared together and just deleting the ones with RFK Jr. I mean, like, just, which would, both of, listen, all of our ideas would be smart.
	So I don't know that that's what happened.
	That's true, that's true.
	Um, whereas, yeah.
	Yeah, to make a point, also, we're talking about Darvo.
	Attack, A. Yelling, to get your point across, the person that has to...
	Continue to talk over you.
	That's not Elizabeth Warren's fault.
	Because you started it.
	Listen, that's a little kid.
	I'm not making this point in a little kid.
	You started it.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	The A in Darvo was what RFK Jr. was doing, was shouting down Liz Warren.
	That's what was happening.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And she knows better.
	She's not going to handle that shit.
	He could just say no.
	He could just say, no, I'm not going to profit illegally and unethically.
	He could.
	He could.
	But then, yeah, if he did that, he would be lying.
	She's like, you can sue them!
	Just don't profit!
	And he's like, no!
	I won't!
	I want my money!
	I want to make millions of dollars!
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	So, moving on from me.
	Anti-vax people should be mad too!
	Because they're like, just because you want to make money, you're already in this position!
	Why would you compromise what you're doing just to make money?
	And he's like, no!
	I'm telling you the point right now.
	I want to make money.
	I want to make a lot of money.
	Than the health of your children.
	And I've been lying to you.
	That's what just happened.
	I'm 70. I don't give a fuck about your kids.
	I want money.
	I never did.
	Yes, I never did.
	I give a shit about a whale skull on a beach.
	I don't care about my kids.
	I'll cover them in whale barf.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, moving on from this, Russell puts his phone down for a little bit because Bernie Sanders enters the chat.
	And Russell is a little bit more optimistic about this exchange for some reason.
	Senator Sanders.
	Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
	Mr. Kennedy, thanks for being with us.
	I very much like the slogan that you coined, make America healthy again.
	Make America healthy again.
	He actually sounds like Larry David, so he's basically got Kirby enthusiasm now.
	Despite spending, as you indicated, two or three times as much per capita on healthcare as other nations, we have 85 million people who are uninsured, underinsured.
	So some people are basically in support of him.
	Our life is...
	Light burning.
	...in other countries, and for working class people in this country, they are living six, seven years shorter lives than the top 1%.
	We got a problem.
	Got a problem?
	We said there's no problem, but we're going to have to solve it.
	Last year, the insurance industry in this country made over $70 billion, while at the same time, 85 million Americans uninsured or underinsured.
	Do you agree with me that the United States should join every other major country on Earth and guarantee health care to all people as a human right?
	Yes, no.
	Yes, no.
	After a very long-winded question, I demand a monosyllabic response.
	Is healthcare a human right?
	In the way that free speech is a human right, I would say it's different because with free speech it doesn't cost anybody anything, but in healthcare, if you...
	If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and you get cancer, you are now taking from the pool.
	And so are you guaranteed the same rate or is there also a duty?
	I'm sorry.
	I'd love to talk for an hour with you.
	We've got a few minutes left here.
	Well...
	Russell just walked off screen while RFK Jr. was trying to make the argument that healthcare is not a human right, and also make the claim that people who smoke don't have the same right to healthcare as people who don't smoke.
	Yeah, Russell just full-on wandered off.
	To get an earpiece so Gareth can do this work!
	Yes, someone help, please.
	I can say with relative certainty that the ghoulish argument that RFK Jr. just presented would not go down well with Russell because he comes from a country with a National Health Service where every patient is treated more or less equally and for free.
	The same National Health Service that performed incredibly difficult and life-saving heart surgery on his 12-week-old son.
	So again, Russell just doesn't engage with it and just fucks off.
	He just walks off.
	That's all he does.
	I mean, there's a little...
	I'm like, if you know that you're beat...
	Don't just walk off, though.
	It's still your show.
	Like, you should turn it off and do something else.
	Yeah, do something else!
	This is not the way to handle it, but leaving is the right instinct, for sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You've got to do something to pivot away from this.
	I bet Bongino's got this under control.
	Just saying.
	I imagine a lot of others.
	I even think to the way that Alex Jones covers shit like this happening on the fly, and I think even he does a better job half the time.
	You're not wrong.
	You're not wrong.
	Yeah, at least being able to move away from it, but now Russell puts it up on full screen and walks off.
	And also, tone cop.
	Wee-woo-wee-woo.
	If all you can do is make fun of how somebody talks, that is the most...
	Basic, like, it's baby brain shit, right?
	Am I crazy?
	Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely right.
	Absolutely right.
	He is being intentionally absurd.
	Okay, so next up, it's a slightly longer clip, and Bernie Sanders expands the conversation quite a bit, and Russell has a problem with it.
	All right.
	Every other country says healthcare, whether you're poor or rich, younger role to human rights.
	I'm not hearing you say that.
	All right, you've talked about the drug companies, and maybe we agree on this one.
	As you all know, despite the drug companies making over $100 billion in profits, paying CEOs outrageous compensation packages, we in some cases pay 10 times more for the same drug.
	Will you support legislation that I will introduce which says that in America we should not be paying a nickel more for prescription drugs than people around the rest of the world?
	Yes?
	No?
	To equalize it?
	Not to equalize it, that we should not be paying more than other countries for the same damn drug.
	President Trump has asked me, in fact, I had a meeting with President Trump a week ago where we showed him the charts.
	He knows the charts.
	We're paying ten times more from Europe.
	That's right.
	And are you going to commit to us that you will end that absurdity?
	End it!
	It's absurd!
	End it!
	We should end that disparity.
	Good.
	Okay.
	That's great.
	All right.
	Russell's finally back, I guess.
	I happen to believe that climate change is real, it's an existential threat, and it is a healthcare issue.
	Donald Trump...
	I'm gonna drag that into this!
	It's a healthcare issue, and it's also something we can use to create contention.
	Now, what are you going to do about cloud seeding?
	I mean, no, not cloud seeding.
	What are you going to do about aluminum in vaccine?
	No, I don't mean that.
	What are you going to do about the FDA funding, being funded by the pharmaceutical companies that they recognize?
	No, I don't mean that.
	Is it getting hotter?
	You don't think climate change is a hoax, is what I'm hearing?
	My job here is to make America's office.
	I'll just ask you that, Mr. Kennedy, not a trick question.
	I answered your question, Senator Sanders.
	Okay, you disagree with the president on that?
	I answered your question.
	George, bring me my calzone!
	That is it.
	Good old boy, Cookie.
	It's when Larry David used to do the voice of Steinberger in Seinfeld.
	It's that voice, isn't it?
	I would say a majority of the people are pro-choice.
	There's a strong minority who are pro-life.
	A year and a half ago you went to New Hampshire.
	Running for president, gave a speech, and you talked about government should not tell a woman what she can do with her own body.
	That's her choice.
	Now, I think everybody on that side is pro-life.
	I think everybody here is pro-choice.
	I have never seen any major politician flip on that issue quite as quickly as you did.
	When Trump asks you to become...
	He's dragging in climate change and pro-life, pro-choice.
	Isn't HHS primarily about the undue influence of economic and financial and corporate entities on the public healthcare system?
	Let me know in the comments and chat.
	Don't you just want to see, for example, vaccine makers bought to heal?
	Don't you want drugs to be available at a reasonable price?
	Don't you want Americans to prioritize health that originates in healthy eating?
	So impacts the kind of the power of big food, good medicine, a holistic purview when it comes to the resolution and treatment of diseases.
	Why are they trying to make it about abortion and climate change?
	Let me know in the comments and chat.
	Ah, I can answer that one.
	So the role of the Department of Health and Human Services that RFK Jr. is going to be in charge of exists to protect the health of the people of the United States.
	Their motto is improving the health, safety, and well-being of America.
	That's the motto.
	And when it comes to the health, safety, and well-being of Americans, reproductive health care and adverse effects of climate change are actually pretty fucking high up on the list of things to deal with.
	And so fall under RFK Jr....
	...
	...
	Russell is trying to obfuscate the fact that RFK Jr. is having to walk a very thin line here because he's signed on to do whatever Trump wants him to do and has said he will carry out the wishes of Donald Trump.
	But he's also said that drug prices are too high, that climate change is a real problem, and has claimed to be pro-choice in the past.
	Now, he's merrily flipped on that last issue in service of bending the knee to Trump, and let's be real, this dude doesn't give two shits about women, so he doesn't particularly care.
	But the climate change one makes up quite a bit of his whole environmentalist shtick, and that's going to be a tougher one for him to let go of publicly.
	But make no mistake, based on his actions, that's where we're headed.
	Anyway, Russell seems to think that the HHS is primarily about the undue influence of economic and corporate entities on the healthcare system, which tells me he doesn't actually know what the HHS is, just what he's gleaned from memes and rhetoric about how RFK Jr. is going to shake things up.
	Yeah, and he's still not understanding.
	His question was also relevant.
	Incredibly.
	That's one of the...
	Here's the thing, especially, and I'm coming from like, let's do DARVO analysis here.
	You're coming from an adversarial position, which is obviously where both Russell and RFK Jr. are coming from.
	So they're trying to win an argument, not engage in good faith.
	So he's asking a question that is relevant, that has an answer.
	But then he's like, I don't want to hear the answer.
	Instead, I think the answer is something else, which is what he went into.
	Don't ask a question you're not ready to hear the answer to.
	If you are not open to whatever the answer could possibly be, you want to make a statement.
	You don't want to ask a question.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Hence all of the, don't you just want to see vaccine manufacturers brought to heel?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he was advocating for regulations.
	That's also what all of those things that Russell listed was are regulations.
	Yeah.
	So he was asking, what regulations do we want to make?
	But then he started going into big food, blah, blah, blah.
	And that was like, oh, no, not those.
	No, I want to be able to kill kids with tuberculosis with raw milk.
	Is what I want to do.
	I don't actually want to...
	I don't...
	So I don't want regulations on raw milk.
	Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm trying to bring back typhus.
	Stop getting in the way with all this regulation stuff, please.
	It's in the raw milk.
	It's actually very much happening right now.
	Yes, that is happening.
	It's happening right now, Russell.
	Oh my god.
	Russell, it's...
	Al!
	Al, it's actually happening!
	Al, it's happening!
	What are we doing?!
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't think even Russell is dumb enough to jump on the raw milk thing, but we'll see.
	Oh, I'm positive that's in the mix.
	There's potential.
	That didn't used to be standard fare, because that's also been kicking around for a long time among the interesting individuals in the health and wellness industry.
	Yeah, that's also, okay, not for nothing, stonewalling.
	We've also seen stonewalling, saying I already answered, right?
	Conflation.
	So, playing the hits today.
	Let's get into it.
	It's all coming out.
	So from here, a Republican senator brings up an issue that Russell should theoretically have some thoughts on.
	Dr. Oz will certainly work with you to make them sensible.
	We look forward to that.
	Also, you and I, before you came forward as the secretary, the nominee, we had talked in years past about over-medicating youth and concerns over that.
	And I was looking at a report from TenCare, which is our Medicaid program in Tennessee.
	And I was concerned when I saw a number that...
	TenCare had spent $90 million in 2024 alone on ADHD. This was 417,000 of our children.
	And $90 million, to me, that is heartbreaking, what is happening there.
	So how will you prioritize oversight of prescribing practices?
	While promoting alternative solutions such as counselling, behavioural therapies, community-based interventions for our youth.
	Exactly.
	And that's the solution.
	15% of American youth are...
	One thing I'll say is good about America and American politics is the theatre of this is at least public and visible.
	In Cambodia, say, in the late 1960s, they would have just...
	Shot you in a ditch.
	So this is an improvement.
	At least we're able to watch this.
	But in watching it, what you see is the back...
	Those of you that are critical of Bobby Kennedy for any one of the reasons that a person might be, what I would say is he is discreet from the category of politicians that I would generally dismiss as corrupt and unconscionable.
	This dude, environmental lawyer, outspoken on complex subjects, wrote that book about Fauci.
	If he infiltrates...
	The system, even though, like, you know, someone with his surname, it seems preposterous to consider them an outsider.
	I cannot see how that won't bring about meaningful change in both food and farmer in your country.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, RFK Jr. is discreet and separate from all of these corrupt politicians, even though he refused to say that he wouldn't personally profit from being...
	Being HHS secretary, but okay, sure thing.
	Yeah, so it came up last week that Russell has ADHD. This Republican senator that we were just listening to is claiming that the youth in Tennessee are over-medicated, that 417,000 kids were diagnosed with ADHD, and $90 million were being spent on ADHD medication, and it was heartbreaking, and was asking RFK Jr. how he'll prioritize promoting quote-unquote alternative solutions like counseling.
	Now, counselling, generally a good thing, but medication for a brain that functions differently, it is not.
	I don't know whether Russell has ever been medicated for his ADHD, but the reports I've had from people who have been medicated is that the meds can be genuinely life-changing.
	And instead of engaging with any of this conversation, Russell mutes the hearing to describe how good it is that all of this is happening out of the open and describe how wonderful RFK Jr. is.
	Well, she was asking a question, right?
	Yes!
	She was asking a question that was valid, but also, like, she was doing a good job at helping RFK Jr. in a way, like, Russell's arguing with the...
	The question that was being asked that was on your side, Russell!
	She's on your team!
	Russell can't even identify the same jersey color that he's wearing in these hearings.
	That's a big problem!
	Gareth needs to text him back!
	Right now!
	Yeah.
	He keeps just very clearly not paying attention and then standing up and walking away.
	So it was like, well, yeah, of course you don't.
	He just doesn't understand.
	But also, like, the first thing that I was thinking was like, okay, the good version of this question is how do we build a society that is more accommodating to people that are to neurodivergent people, which I have talked about on the show a fucking ton, including counselors.
	But that includes counseling accommodations, and especially accommodations in education, which they are actively destroying by gutting the Department of Education's ability to pay for any kind of special ed programs, which help ADHD kids!
	What I can say, because I just came back from another fucking doctor's appointment where it keeps happening to me, is that they are willing to pump us full of drugs, and I don't- I'm not coming to this from Russell's angle.
	It's cheaper.
	It's kinda cheaper.
	It'd be cheaper if everybody wasn't wetting their beak.
	It'd be- It's slapping a band-aid on a broken leg, and they can do that and still keep their insurance to be able to practice healthcare and not give us all of the other parts.
	I use public assistance to access medical care.
	This is all incredibly relevant to me.
	Right now, today, this week, last week, I still have to find out if I'm going to get a bill in the mail in six months for this thing that I... Would not have signed up for had I not been covered by my insurance, which everybody's like, yeah, it's fine.
	Who fucking knows?
	So it's a crapshoot.
	And that kind of like that question definitely needs to be asked in good faith.
	And it's wild that Russell identified bad faith from the wrong direction.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	Because this lady is very much coming from the direction of like, hey, kids are on too much medication and it's very expensive.
	I don't want to be paying for any of it.
	Make it cheaper!
	Yeah, she's not entering this conversation from good faith at all.
	Another solution!
	Yes.
	Make access readily available and...
	Don't take out all the, like, take out all the fucking steps, especially on your drug schedule, that I still have to deal with every fucking month.
	This is crazy.
	It's so relevant.
	It's relevant to my every single day experience.
	And it's just crazy making to hear the layers of, like, cognitive dissonance in these men that, like, don't, they don't even know enough to argue right.
	Yeah.
	Russell especially.
	Yeah!
	Okay, so now RFK Jr. talks about chronic illness, and then Russell gives a very particular perspective.
	I want to say this.
	I said give infectious disease a break because that's been the principal preoccupation.
	Infectious disease...
	Chronic disease is 92%, accounts for 92% of deaths in this country, and almost nothing is studied at NIH about the etiology of our chronic disease epidemic.
	Fundamental point, chronic disease causes 92% of mortality.
	Why are we obsessively focusing on viruses?
	It's obviously because that's profitable, and the chronic diseases are profitable not to cure, but to retain.
	The industries of oncology and cardiology, or at least the pharmacological aspects of that, and presumably others, benefit from that type of morbidity.
	It's amazing.
	That has got to be much more the focus than onesies.
	Oh, I should mention that.
	Onesies?
	Yeah, but Bernie brought up some baby onesies that RFK Jr.'s organization, anti-vax organization, was selling that said, no vax, no problem on them.
	Oh, also a problem?
	Yeah, it's not great.
	But Russell did his usual thing of like, onesies, this is crazy!
	This is supposed to be a serious confirmation hearing!
	Why are you bringing up onesies?
	Ryan is like, oh, shut the fuck up.
	Thank you for clarifying.
	Because I thought that he was referring to infectious diseases as onesies and like chronic diseases as chronic sees or something.
	That'd be cute!
	I'd be okay with that.
	I'd be okay with that.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't, because it's not how it works.
	Yes.
	No, also that.
	Anyway, so the pharmacological aspects of cardiology and oncology are supposedly benefiting financially from maintaining the medical issues rather than trying to cure or fix them in any way, and so nothing is being done.
	According to Russell.
	Worth noting is that this does tally with RFK Jr.'s perspective.
	When he brings up chronic disease being the main killer in the US, included in that statistic is cancer, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes.
	If it sounds stupid, they're like, hey, no one's looking into a cancer cure!
	That's because it is incredibly fucking stupid.
	In the imaginary dipshit land that RFK Jr. and Russell exist in, nobody in the world is looking into how to cure cancer, diabetes, or heart disease of any form because there's just too much money being made from maintaining the illnesses.
	It's a perspective so far removed from reality that it is genuinely difficult to countenance.
	Like, I personally know people who research cancer cures.
	There are people who listen to this show doing that good work.
	One of the biggest charities in the UK that Russell is definitely aware of is Cancer Research UK.
	It's like top five, easy.
	I recognize that off the top of my head.
	What does Russell imagine that they're doing?
	Especially given that charities over here have a much closer eye kept on their finances than they do in the US. What does he think is happening with all that money?
	If you take this to its logical conclusion, right?
	It's completely absurd conspiracy nonsense with zero grounding in reality and ultimately ends with the idea of like, well, maybe these people have had cancer cures for years and are keeping them from us because it makes more money.
	That's the territory we land up in.
	Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	This isn't totally unfounded.
	Russell is completely misrepresenting the issue and harming me.
	I'm watching myself get harmed in real time.
	Russell is helping to harm me because there is not a lot of research being done in certain chronic diseases.
	Yeah, cancer...
	Not a problem, right?
	Well, it's a mess.
	I'm sorry.
	No, that's a problem.
	But that's not what we're talking about.
	There are diseases that women primarily face that men were the only study group for decades.
	Like they didn't even experiment with women's bodies in clinical trials or anything until like very recently.
	And I don't think that y'all are doing it like that.
	So you don't have a reason to believe that this is happening there.
	You guys have an NHS.
	It's a totally different system.
	There are two things happening in the like did that.
	That's definitely not the stuff that RFK Jr. is talking about, especially if it affects women.
	He doesn't give a shit.
	But those are the people that are targeted by the wellness industry because we don't get answers from the medical establishment because we have very real symptoms.
	They just kind of explain it away as either it's in your head, and then they give us head pills for body problems, and they're allowed to continue to do this.
	So, like, there are so many layers to this onion, and I am watching myself get injured in real time.
	Like, I'm being harmed in real time by this kind of conflict.
	It's not necessarily...
	Here's the thing.
	I would not call it a baseless conspiracy.
	I would definitely call it a dangerous conflation with a conspiracy.
	Rather than, like, and also, genuinely, I don't think that y'all do this how we do.
	We do it super fucked up.
	Because we don't have an NHS. That's part of the other issue, is that this is being viewed through a very, very US-specific lens.
	With global problems that we're discussing here.
	When we're addressing, like, chronic disease, you know, it's like, there are plenty of other countries that are definitely, definitely looking into this shit.
	But I'm saying even in the UK. There is an NHS that collects data from people, not just men, and none of the studies.
	It's fucking crazy that we did not know until very recently that women just weren't being tested on or considered for any problems that affect both men and women in varying degrees.
	The fact that there is an NHS that exists in the UK at all, like, completely changes the perspective.
	And that's the perspective that Russell is coming from.
	Because Russell doesn't have to go to the doctor in the United States.
	And his wife also doesn't have to go to the doctor in the United States.
	Except now, like, they'll find out.
	They're gonna find out!
	I was gonna say, it's different now.
	But when we're talking, like, mortality rates especially, specifically, then we are still looking at kind of the big three.
	We are still looking predominantly at cancer, cardiovascular disease is a big one in the US, and then diabetes as well.
	Absolutely!
	And the claim that's being presented is, well, nobody's looking into any of these, and that is definitively bullshit.
	Of course!
	There is no way around that one.
	But using that...
	You're disregarding every other chronic disease that has absolutely...
	That's the thing.
	I think that's the point that I'm trying to make here.
	All these other chronic diseases are getting targeted by people like RFK Jr., by people like Russell specifically.
	I know because I hear the dog whistles.
	They're talking about all of the stuff that's trying to get sold at me and also makes my regular medical doctors not listen to me because it's all kind of...
	Wrapped into the goop, you know, like mumbo jumbo, wiggity woo wellness industry when we have real diseases that they just don't, they slap a label on us and send us out the door.
	So that's even like, this is the levels of intellectual dishonesty.
	In this conversation have so, like, just have ripple effects that are really dangerous.
	And, hi, I'm being harmed today.
	Hello, today.
	Yes.
	Hello, right now.
	It's an incredibly harmful onion with many, many layers of different kinds of harm.
	But, I mean, I'm not arguing with your point.
	Your point is already, like, the thing is, it's easy to know that you're saying the wrong thing because of what you just said.
	Cancer!
	I'm sorry, Russell.
	Cancer question mark?
	Answer?
	Shut up!
	But also, there is an issue that is not, like, that RFK Jr. relies on people like me to buy his bullshit to support him to, what we've just seen, get into this job so he can make money off of my life, my pain, my suffering, and my lack of any kind of help.
	From any medical establishment, because he wants to be in charge, and he's trying to sell me, and has been for years, him and the maha of all of it, right, are trying to sell me a bill of goods so that he can get in power.
	Get his hand in the piggy bank.
	So I'm being exploited as a chronic disease, invisible chronic disease sufferer, so this guy can make fucking money, which he just said to Liz Warren.
	It's nuts!
	Yeah, it's incredibly predatory.
	Yeah!
	Like, very obviously predatory.
	And in previous years, you know, where RFK Jr. has not had the same purchase that he's about to have, the prey has been, you know, the people who fall for his bullshit, whereas the prey is about to be you and the rest of Americans suffering with chronic illnesses, whether they like it or not.
	Yeah!
	But it's alright, everyone, because RFK Jr. thinks he can fix it with de- Regulation and promoting exercise and a healthy diet.
	So we've got that to look forward to.
	In any case, right, so from here, RFK Jr. finds himself painted into a corner yet again because he has apparently suggested the idea that PBMs, or pharmacy benefit managers, who are third-party administrators of prescription drug programs making an absolute fortune off the healthcare system in the US, well, RFK Jr. thinks that if he gets them all together in a room, then they can come up with a way for the PBMs to self-regulate, and so there won't be a need for legislation or any of that.
	Yeah, it goes pretty badly.
	And so Russell uses another trick in his arsenal to move away from the issue entirely, and we're gonna stick with it to the end.
	Okay, somebody suggested, though, that you thought you should convene the PBMs and talk to them about some sort of self-regulation.
	So I am trying to distinguish between these people who basically are doing illegal activities and ripping off...
	Really, they're creating pharmacy deserts in my state.
	So I'm asking you whether you believe that we have to legislate in this area.
	Again, I'm not...
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	You will see me driving it.
	I'm going to drive it in the water.
	I'm going to see if it works, as Musk claims, as an amphibious vehicle that can also be launched into space.
	Oh, I'm dreaming.
	I fell and bumped my head.
	That's why I saw that.
	I'm not even here right now.
	You're all a figment of my imagination.
	Please do, Russell.
	Please do test the Cybertruck underwater.
	I will pay for that footage.
	But be mindful, because the last person who drove a Tesla into water didn't fare too well, if I remember rightly, so be careful.
	So yeah, RFK Jr. was squirming away again at being presented with the incredibly dumb and transparent things he's said and suggested, so Russell just pivots away into an ad complaining about the wokarati and soy lattes while cracking sex and poop jokes.
	Good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	Russell Brand is a human soy latte.
	I don't know why, but with cardamom, you know what I mean?
	The soyest boy that ever soyed.
	Yeah.
	This is not working for Russell.
	Well, he eats steak now, so it's okay.
	I really...
	Again, I'm not trying to give branding punch up here, but I also accidentally am to make a point that you're a floofy doofman, sir.
	You're a wee-woo.
	You're a wee-woo child.
	You're a...
	child.
	Yep.
	Yes, indeed he is.
	Yes, indeed he is.
	But it's, you know, there are parts of the ad that work for him.
	All the wellness claims.
	I'm like, yeah, okay, I can see why you've got this bit of the ad read.
	Why he included, like, the Wokarati shit and stuff like that.
	I'm like, dude.
	It rings hollow.
	Very, very.
	I'm so glad I, okay, so I'm so glad I brought that up, right?
	As far as, like, being the target of this kind of wellness.
	Advertising and content, because I feel like people that are in my demographic that do fall for Russell's bullshit, why would they not be upset?
	To hear that they are being...
	I know why, but that's a hypothetical question.
	They should be furious.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're being used as a cudgel to manipulate for profit in this way, and Russell should be on their side.
	Russell also knew that because he was already responding like, I don't know.
	Yeah, I will say the ad copy in general that he was reading, I think that would work better for, like, a Dan Bongino type, you know, a Steven Crowder, you know?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, it's not, it doesn't work for, it doesn't fit Russell's thing.
	He needs to put more effort and more changes into this, but...
	I wonder...
	Okay, this is, I'm just guessing.
	I wonder if coming to Florida...
	Is more pressure, like, being closer to Rumble HQ is also putting more pressure on Russell to conform to Rumble's kind of branding.
	Like a Bongino or like a Steven Crowder.
	It does seem to be escalating, yeah, yeah.
	Right!
	It does seem to be ramping up.
	For no reason, I can't, that is...
	He's going to destroy his own brand.
	That community event shit that made a lot of, I'm sure it made him a lot of money.
	Or his foundation got a lot of donations or whatever.
	But all of the branding that Russell has built his career on is being ran to sunder very quickly.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and before I forget, a quick update on the question of whether people on Rumble Premium can access Russell's Locals thing.
	Yes, in fact, they can.
	You have to, like, you have to kind of accept, like, new terms and conditions and stuff, because it is technically still a separate platform.
	But, like, yes, you can.
	Which means I also now have access to, because we are back there as well, I also now have access to Dan Bongino's shit, I have access to the Mug Club, if I want to go see...
	What Stephen Crowder's up to.
	If I want to sign up to all these communities, including Breaking Points, I will say, they're on the list with Crystal Ball and Sagar and Jetty.
	Which, yeah.
	But yeah, so you can actually go across and sign up to all these things as well through Rumble Premium, should you so choose.
	Right, so then Rumble Premium and Locals...
	Are the same access, like, basically the same access point.
	Basically.
	Basically.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, that clears that up anyway.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, not cool.
	Terrible.
	Yes, well, yeah.
	Cool for you, bad for everything else.
	But good to know.
	If anyone's noticing a theme with how this confirmation hearing is going and how Russell is responding, your instincts are correct.
	And in this next clip, another senator is discussing how much the people of New Mexico love Medicaid, which RFK Jr. wants to dismantle.
	And so, what can Russell do?
	New Mexico, as you know, Medicaid is often measured state by state.
	It might surprise you if you look at some of those surveys.
	In New Mexico, the response was 90% of New Mexicans on Medicaid report satisfaction getting care, 80% getting specialist care, 85% getting urgent care, 95% ease of filings out of focus.
	Not to pick on any one of my colleagues, but in Louisiana.
	Here's Callie Means with some insights into why certain senators might attack Bobby Kennedy.
	Have a look at this from Cali Means.
	Let's just look at Mike Pence.
	He's sending letters to senators and running ads attacking Bobby Kennedy on the pro-life issue.
	Mike Pence's group is funded by the pharmaceutical industry.
	That was just recently reported.
	So pharma is funding the disgraced Mike Pence to attack Bobby on this issue, the life issue.
	Let's back up here, Martha.
	There hasn't been a bigger pro-life message in America, in American politics, in the Make America Healthy Again movement.
	This is a war to improve children's health.
	Bobby Kennedy has made clear he's going to follow the Trump administration's pro-life policy.
	So you just have an example right there.
	These culture war issues are being weaponized by interests that demonstrably profit from kids being sick.
	What pro-life ultimately ought to become is an absolute reverence and regard for the sanctity of all life.
	Life is precious and beautiful.
	Once you accept that premise, then the way that...
	Food is regulated the way that exercise is encouraged, the way that big pharma is controlled.
	The ability of gargantuan industries to control politics through donations, relationships and other means has to be impaired if it ever becomes an incursion on the sanctity of life, the pro-life perspective that we've just described.
	Hmm.
	I mean...
	That last thing was kind of close to being correct there.
	I mean, like, obviously, like, fuck the pro-life crowd.
	But if they want to be consistent, they absolutely should extend that out to having sanctity for all life in food being regulated, farmer issues, and I don't know, should maybe take a look at the whole everyone having guns and murdering each other issue.
	I don't know if this is, like, pure ignorance or just, like, masking everything and obfuscating on Russell's part, but the people he sided with are entirely against literally all of those things.
	Russell wants regulation and the destruction of lobbying and RFK Jr. and Trump want to deregulate everything and make a bucket of money.
	Right.
	The opposite.
	Well, that's, you know, it is really fascinating.
	And even, you know, why I even looked into the Rwanda thing, right?
	So this is all connected as far as, like, hearing, like, I have a vested interest in paying attention to a UK perspective more than I ever have since we started this show.
	Hearing a person, like, it's so interesting and wildly depressing to hear a person who came from a system that, like, the NHS is all Russell has ever known.
	So there are, so Russell has so many, sorry, there's several sirens, oops, okay.
	A collective NHS system and genuinely looks like, it appears to me that he can't conceive of the healthcare system in America as it is.
	It really doesn't seem like he understands the implications and it's, I mean, it makes me sad that especially his wife and kids, if he's staying in Florida, are going to have to learn the hard way.
	Yeah.
	Just like I did and just like the rest of us have here, that this is the fucking Wild West and you are on your own.
	If you're lucky, you're on your own.
	I mean, yeah.
	Obviously, Russell is coming from a position of extreme wealth.
	Also that!
	There is also that.
	There's both!
	Yeah, there's very little of the reality that he ever has to be confronted with in any sense.
	Right!
	So that's what I'm saying.
	Even when he was poor and he was young, there was still an NHS. So that's his understanding.
	And then his...
	Vision can be skewed so much further if you pile, great point, you pile wealth on top of it.
	So he has no concept of what he's just potentially moved into.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, when he went to rehab back in 2002, like...
	That will have been for free.
	That will have been NHS funded.
	That won't have cost a penny.
	Any of the healthcare that he received when he was younger and everything, yeah, all of that would have cost him nothing.
	I need to be reminded of that.
	That's a thing I still need to hear sometimes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because that's 30 grand.
	Right, right, exactly, exactly.
	Addicts are punished even further, you know, people with these struggles in the US. So, so much worse.
	So one thing I did find interesting about the clip that Russell put on the screen to cover for RFK Jr. being asked difficult questions is obviously like, so Callie Means was trying to kind of be like, oh, Mike Pence is coming after RFK Jr. for not being pro-life enough.
	And basically kind of dodging the question slightly and being like, hey, you can't hold RFK Jr. to the things he's said in the past.
	Look at the stuff he's saying now.
	Like he said that he will do whatever Trump wants.
	So look how pro-life he is.
	He's pro-life of children.
	All while they're all incredibly happy that RFK Jr. is getting into a position of power based entirely on the things he has said and done in the past while being an anti-vax shithead.
	So it's like, hang on, should I be judging RFK Jr. on his past or not?
	Like, you don't get to be pixie-choosy about this.
	It's one or the other.
	What a great point!
	Yeah, you don't get to pick and choose.
	You are the person you are or not.
	Yeah.
	To hear them so vehemently, like, with their full chest, advocate for regulations and then, whoop, just yank that rug out at the last second over and over and over is fucking shocking.
	It's Charlie Brown in the football every time, you know?
	Yeah, it's I mean, there are studies coming out finding like a whole like takeout spoons worth of plastic in people's brains.
	Like, yes, like the amount of plastic in someone's brain.
	And also there's, you know, there's studies that are looking at brains that are that had dementia.
	Right.
	That ended their lives with dementia and they have like three times as much plastic in their brains.
	And that's with the regulations we all, the barely, the regulations, the bubble gum and wishes that is holding everything together now that they are actively trying to destroy.
	Nah, they didn't exercise enough.
	That's what it was.
	Oh, you can exercise plastic out of your brain.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, either that or you use RFK Jr.'s method and you stick a worm in there and that'll deal with it.
	If we find out the worm was plastic.
	The worm ate the plastic.
	Okay, and that's why it died up there.
	Okay, so now we move to a clip of Caroline Kennedy calling her cousin, RFK Jr., a predator.
	And just a warning, we do start to get into some tougher conversations surrounding SA and also addiction here, but mostly it's Russell going on a jag about how much he likes predators.
	In a blistering letter to Senators, Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy, calls her cousin, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a predator.
	I mean, that's so heavy, isn't it?
	Like the family history of the Kennedys.
	JFK assassinated.
	RFK assassinated.
	Loads of other Kennedys dying.
	Bobby Kennedy looks like he's going to pull America back from the brink of perpetual health crises.
	And his cousin goes, that guy's a predator.
	I mean, your cousin.
	Mind your own business.
	Kennedy says she is able to speak out now because she's no longer the U.S. ambassador to...
	Finally able to speak out now.
	Because why?
	He's about to get in a position of power.
	My interests are aligned with the centralized and globalized forces that oppose an anti-corporate figure like my cousin Bobby.
	The predator.
	One Christmas, he prayed so hard on not only me, but our pets.
	And praying on something, by the way, that just means focusing on it and hunting it.
	And like eagles are predators, and I like eagles.
	To Australia.
	She's urging senators to reject her cousin for the position of secretary of health and human services saying he's a hypocrite who vaccinated his own children.
	I saw him vaccinating a million kids one day.
	He was vaccinating them.
	He was offering ice creams with one hand and vaccines with their people.
	He's got out of their way to be mean about him.
	Vaccinated his own children while crusading publicly against vaccines.
	Kennedy says he led his siblings and cousins into a path of drug use and addiction.
	He's a drug addict.
	And this itself is an illness.
	And by the way, one of the things I've never really said about Bobby Kennedy is as a person in recovery, he will have unique insights to the issues of addiction, mental illness, grief, despair, as well as his obvious and evident expertise in matters like nutrition, health and fitness, wellness, avant-garde and outside treatments like chiropractic, to name but one example
	I know a lot of people are cynical about chiropractic, but I believe in it and it's really helpful for me if you have the right chiropractor, same as if you have the right doctor.
	He's a person who respects science, respects...
	And of course he's made mistakes.
	An addict is a fallen and broken person that has changed and surrendered and demonstrates that change by, you know, essentially fasting.
	Fasting from drugs and drink and in my case...
	I mean, literally bloody everything.
	I ate a chocolate bar yesterday.
	That was a brief moment of respite.
	Shut up, Russell.
	RFK is in so many ways so much better qualified than any of the people that have the...
	Goal!
	To interlocute and inquire, although I recognise a confirmation hearing requires that they do that, but it's so plain that what they're doing is voicing the opinions and hostilities of an establishment that doesn't want an oppositional, outspoken, transparent and authentic man like Bobby Kennedy in the hen house making significant choices.
	That predator, see?
	Hen house!
	Predators!
	Okay, so there was a lot there.
	Your instincts are correct, by the way.
	I think this is an episode where, like, I spent more time than usual in my head telling Russell to shut the fuck up.
	There's floundering, okay?
	And then there's, like, flopping around in the dock.
	He's flopping around in the dock.
	There's a lot of flopping.
	So he's got to say a whole lot to make up for the shit that he does not know how to address or handle.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The reason that Caroline Kennedy hasn't kind of come out until recently is that up until recently she was the ambassador to Australia and didn't want to kind of abuse her position, basically.
	Which is what she was about to say, right?
	I was like, I saw him cut that off and I was like, Al, will you tell me what she was about to say?
	Oh, the reason?
	Thank you.
	There we go.
	Being responsible while in government.
	And yeah, Russell says that, you know, being a predator.
	I was just focusing on something and hunting it, and eagles do that, and I like eagles, so that's okay.
	Cool.
	Therefore, predators, they're okay.
	Predators, they're alright.
	You wouldn't like it if an eagle was predating you?
	I bet you would!
	Yeah, I don't think he would.
	Yeah, and the thing that struck me most through all of that is that supposedly RFK Jr. has unique insights into addiction, mental illness, grief, despair, as well as obvious expertise in nutrition, health and fitness, wellness, and things like chiropractic, which Russell believes in strongly, and so does RFK Jr., apparently.
	And I'm like...
	Sorry, where is this obvious expertise coming from?
	It's certainly not from any kind of educational background or life doing any of it.
	It's because he's vaguely fit and it's an exercise.
	What I heard, right, is like...
	Russell couched this claim a little bit, but because RFK Jr. is a drug addict and is an addict.
	And then he's like, oh, because he's also in recovery.
	That's why he's an expert in all that stuff.
	That's why he's an expert in all that, yeah.
	You can be an addict and go to one meeting and say you are an addict in recovery.
	Being an addict does not automatically make you an expert in all that health and wellness list that Russell just made.
	That's a crazy conflation to make.
	It really is.
	Well, and he also said again, I'm going out of their way to be mean to him.
	He said it again.
	No, all that woman did was describe RFK Jr.'s behavior of thoughts and actions.
	That's all!
	She did.
	And Russell's like, you're just attacking him.
	That's right.
	Deny attack.
	Reverse victim offender.
	She's the offender.
	And RFK Jr. is the victim because she described his behavior.
	Yep, yep, and also RFK Jr. is better than any of the people who dare to criticize him because they clearly are just parroting establishment opinions and don't have any thoughts of their own.
	You know, those famous establishment shills like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
	They need to become drug addicts and then enter recovery and then they'll be qualified.
	They need to leave some bears in Central Park.
	That's what they need to do.
	I guess I got the wrong chiropractor when I was a kid because for two years I was used as a tool for the chiropractor two towns over from us to scam thousands and thousands of dollars out of my mother's pocket.
	So maybe that's also what happens.
	Russell?
	Because it fucking happened to me!
	They put pills in my hand and push on my arm and everything.
	All the bullshit!
	Guys, all the bullshit.
	They did it.
	I did it in the 90s because I'm old.
	Dude!
	This is...
	Yeah.
	I'm glad I'm here.
	But also, yeah, hi, would you like to see who's impacted me?
	That's me right now, today.
	And Carolyn Kennedy, I'm glad she came forward.
	I think it's powerful.
	It's also all women.
	Yeah, funny that.
	Funny that.
	Taking a real...
	Yeah, just batting away.
	Whenever the women say things, he seems to have a problem.
	It is strange.
	Well, I mean, it's not exclusive, but it certainly doesn't...
	It's not a great look.
	No, no, it does seem to be a majority.
	Okay, so the clip continues, and it starts to get, like...
	Well, flat out super gross, and becomes really tough to listen to, thanks to Russell.
	It's about to get very graphic and a little bit gory, so big warning here for anyone who needs to brace themselves or wants to skip ahead a few minutes.
	It just gets kind of gross.
	His basement, his garage, his dorm room were always the center of the action, where drugs were available, and he enjoyed showing off how he put baby chickens and mice in a blender to feed to his hawks.
	It was often a perverse scene of despair and violence.
	Then the hawks themselves, some of them had revolting feathers sticking at their skin and beaks, beaks on their faces would eat those baby mice.
	She's describing nature.
	He would often in his digestive system bake hard stools and feces.
	Before dilating his anus and allowing them to drop out.
	He would pee urine into a...
	Like, if you describe stuff in detail, it's revolting.
	Including a predator.
	What does she mean?
	When's she gonna back that up?
	Yeah, there were Miss Molly in the chat with those mice dead.
	He would put mice and a paste and go, like, what about foie gras?
	Foie gras.
	That's best goose liver spread on a cracker and eaten.
	Like, if you describe that, it's disgusting.
	I mean, what about any sex act in a loving marriage?
	That's disgusting.
	The problem is you can make anything disgusting if your intention is to make it disgusting.
	And the intention is to...
	Destroy Bobby Kennedy.
	And that heartens me and makes me feel like, oh man, this guy's going to do something.
	It's how I came round to Trump anyway.
	It's like, hold on a minute.
	So many of these absolute assholes hate him.
	He must be alright.
	That's actually, they persuaded me.
	Okay.
	So the logic of Russell getting on board with Trump is apparently...
	Little more than, these people hate him, therefore he must be good.
	Which is apparently what's currently bolstering Russell's feelings towards RFK Jr. It's the, if you're being attacked, you must be over the target argument.
	Which, I'm going to use the most obvious example of the last century to explain how dumb this is.
	Winston Churchill was a piece of shit.
	He was a racist, misogynist, genocidal scumbag.
	Churchill hated Adolf Hitler.
	If I were to use this same logic, it would mean that, well, Hitler must be great because Churchill attacked him.
	It sounds reductive, but it's literally the same argument.
	And depending who we're talking about, there are some very similar parallels to the modern day as well.
	But good lord.
	The enemy of my enemy is my friend is a statement for a very specific circumstance.
	And the one you described is war.
	You still know.
	You're the enemy of my enemy, right?
	Like, that's...
	What?
	Okay.
	Caroline Kennedy was describing torturing animals if they were alive.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Now, it's still just mutilating animals if you're doing it in your dorm room in front of people as on display.
	You are...
	You're torturing your friends.
	Yeah!
	Either way, you are inflicting unwanted abuse on beings.
	if they were alive RFK Jr. made it like maybe even use falconry as an excuse to cover for his pachant for torturing animals one of the dark triad traits that you would need to pay attention to because that's a serial killer yeah Yeah!
	And as for backing up RFK Jr. being a predator, there have been multiple sexual assault allegations leveled against him.
	But we know that Russell doesn't count that as proof.
	And it's a situation where nothing would be good enough regardless what evidence was presented because Russell is a predator himself who is firmly on the side of predators no matter what.
	Yeah.
	That's, I mean, the one thing that we're like, oh, falconry, that sounds cool.
	Boy, it sure doesn't anymore.
	Now that we know what we know, right?
	Context is everything.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yuck.
	Yeah, grim.
	Big old power thing for him.
	Cool.
	Okay, so now we get back to the confirmation hearing, and we get into a bit of tricky linguistic territory here, courtesy of Senator Warnock.
	Mr. Kennedy, you have compared the CDC's work to Nazi death camps.
	Hilarious.
	Peace.
	Actually sad.
	Talking about some of that crazy stuff that went on during the pandemic and some of the terrible recommendations and the number of deaths and how irresponsible their advice ended up being.
	Everyone's really lost their sense of humor.
	Every single day and as you are presenting us the nominee for this position.
	I need to know, do you stand by those statements that you made in the past, or do you retract those previous statements?
	Senator, I don't believe that I ever compared the CDC to Nazi death camps.
	I support the CDC. My job is not to dismantle or harm the CDC. Also, he's in a different position now.
	When you're attacking something, you have to point out, now he's in charge of it.
	He's got to make that work.
	I'm not retracting it.
	I never said it.
	Well, actually, I have a transcript.
	There it is.
	Let me read your words.
	It says that the institution, CDC, and the vaccine program...
	Is your description of their work?
	Is more important than the children that it's supposed to protect.
	And you know, it's the same reason we had a pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church.
	It's because people were able to convince themselves that the institution of the church was more important than these little boys and girls who were being raped.
	That's pretty provocative language.
	You said...
	That was a pretty provocative thing, wasn't it?
	People were raping kids.
	Is that in his fault?
	Death camp.
	Let me finish.
	I'm just reading your words.
	I mean, what happens?
	What happened to these kids?
	One in 31 boys in this country, their minds are being robbed from them.
	Yeah, I was not comparing the CDC to Nazi death camps.
	I was comparing the injury rate to our children to other atrocities.
	And I wouldn't compare the, of course, the CDC and Nazi-Defkans to any extent.
	It enters into absurdity quite frequently because people have to say, I wouldn't compare the CDC, which is like a medical bureaucracy and regulatory entity, to a Nazi death camp.
	So a Nazi death camp is like the worst thing you can envisage.
	That's the point of it, isn't it?
	Along with the pedophilia in the Catholic Church.
	My prayer is that that's ended forever, Lord.
	You use these synecdoches, metaphors and images.
	Illustratively.
	So what he probably was doing, saying, with all these deaths that are coming out of irregularities and abnormalities and regulation problems within the CDC, it's actually as stark and as astonishing as something vivid like a Nazi death camp.
	That's comparing the atrocities, as he said.
	It's not comparing.
	Do you know what I think?
	I think that the CDC is kind of a lot like a Nazi death camp.
	That's comparing them.
	Okay, so apparently saying that the problems amounting from the CDC are as stark and astonishing as a Nazi death camp is not in fact comparing the CDC to a Nazi death camp, but a comparing of atrocities.
	You know, the comparing of atrocities the CDC is supposedly carrying out compared to the atrocities of a Nazi death camp.
	But that's not a comparison between the two things, just a comparison of the atrocities.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah, sure.
	Sure thing.
	Yeah!
	It's crazy to watch a circular argument start in real time.
	That's nutty.
	Just like, oh, well, I mean, there must be bad because everybody keeps saying it.
	Like, well, R.F.A. Jr. wouldn't say it if it didn't apply.
	So why is he saying it?
	Oh, I agree.
	Like, pausing.
	I think it...
	It stands to point, especially for people that are listening and not watching because it's less obvious, is that Russell isn't pausing.
	Russell is muting, right?
	Like you explained earlier.
	So there is illumination for these points that aren't a circular argument.
	Russell mutes so that Russell can say the circular argument instead of listen to the regular point being made.
	Reverend Warnack, right?
	Like, okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	So you can entirely, entirely just skip the actual critique of RFK Jr. and instead reinforce the argument.
	In a circle shape.
	Yes.
	In a convenient little...
	Very circular.
	So I'm going to quote from an Al Jazeera piece so we have the full picture on this.
	I think it gets a little bit lost in the weeds in the clip.
	Quote, During a 2013 autism conference, Kennedy compared the CDC's childhood vaccine program to the Holocaust.
	He was asked why the CDC wasn't acknowledging autism as an epidemic.
	To me, this is like Nazi death camps, what happened to these kids, Kennedy said of the rising number of children diagnosed with autism.
	I can't tell you why somebody would do something like that.
	I can't tell you why ordinary Germans participated in the Holocaust.
	At a 2019 conference, Kennedy claimed the CDC hid harms in its child vaccination programs and compared doing so to the child sexual abuse cover-up of the Catholic Church.
	The institution, CDC, and the vaccine program is more important than the children it's supposed to protect, Kennedy said, according to the NBC News reporting.
	It's the same reason we had a pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church, because people were able to convince themselves that the institution, the church, was more important than these little boys and girls who were being raped.
	Unquote.
	Yeah, none of that's comparative at all, I'm sure.
	Yeah, none of that is comparing anything to anything.
	Russell intentionally lost that point in the clip because I saw this clip a lot and it was crystal clear.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	And also for RFK Jr. to be like, I don't, I can't.
	Also, listen.
	Hey, everybody.
	We're watching Nazis get made in front of our eyes.
	We don't need to wonder.
	Just like RFK is like, I don't know why anyone would do that.
	Joins Trump administration.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The Sikh Eiling one.
	I don't know if you're aware.
	They do the Nazi salute thing?
	Yeah, that's them.
	That's them.
	Yeah, it doesn't seem to be their thing.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so from here we move on to a clip from RFK Jr.'s former running mate, Nicole Shanahan, regarding RFK Jr.'s confirmation.
	Also, here's Nicole Shanahan, his running mate, when he was running as an independent presidential candidate.
	Here's Nicole Shanahan vowing to fund primary challengers of 13 specific U.S. senators who don't support RFK's confirmation.
	It's an interesting...
	Hey, everyone.
	Tomorrow is a pivotal moment in our nation's history.
	At 10 a.m.
	Eastern Time, RFK will sit in front of the Senate Finance Committee for his confirmation hearing to be our nation's next Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	I urge everyone to call their U.S. senators over the following days and demand they vote yes on Bobby's nomination.
	He is more than qualified.
	He's proven, principled, and prepared to lead.
	I'll share a list below of key senators.
	If they represent your state, they need to hear from you.
	If they don't, please call your own senator and ask them to vote yes.
	We need as many votes as we can get.
	So this hasn't been widely reported, but in 2020, I cut large checks to Chuck Schumer to help Democrats flip two Senate seats in Georgia from red to blue.
	The two candidates I helped elect, Senator Raphael Warnock and Senator John Ossoff, please know I will be watching your votes very closely.
	I will make it my personal mission that you lose your seats in the Senate if you vote against the future health of America's children.
	And more than that, I also want to say to Senators Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Lisa Markovsky, Susan Collins, Bill Cassidy, Tom Tillis, James Lankford, Cory Booker, John Fetterman, Bernie Sanders, and Catherine Cortez Masto.
	This is a bipartisan message, and it comes directly from me.
	While Bobby may be willing to play nice, I won't.
	If you vote against him, I will personally fund challengers to primary you in your next election, and I will enlist hundreds of thousands to join me.
	Big Pharma and Big Ag have exploited us for far too long.
	It ends now.
	You're either on the side of transparency and accountability or you are standing in the way.
	The choice is yours.
	Please choose wisely.
	Silverback77, you don't realize how hard and expensive addict life is until you're out of it.
	Man, I appreciate that.
	That is true.
	Okay, let's go back to the confirmation hearing.
	Nothing.
	Okay, yeah.
	That clip was a lawyer with a net worth of over a billion dollars making personal threats to senators that if they don't play ball and vote to confirm RFK Jr., then, yeah.
	She's gonna come for them, basically, and primary them and make it their mission so that they lose their seats.
	It is literally interfering in democratic processes via blackmail.
	This is mafia shit.
	It's incredibly fucked up and something Russell should be entirely against.
	But instead, he just reads a comment from the chat about addiction and is like, yeah, let's move along.
	Let's carry on.
	Yeah, she's behavior modeling.
	Like, she's saying, reach out to all these senators, your senators, and this is how I'm going to talk, so you can talk like this, too.
	That's exactly what that was about, is making a pointed threat.
	Direct threats.
	She's threatening them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's literally, call your senators and threaten them, like I'm doing now.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, she's...
	What?
	She's behavior modeling for her followers to do the same thing as to threaten them for, like, that's, I don't, okay.
	It's insane.
	It's completely insane.
	Oh, it sure is.
	And to, like, be doing that so openly and then doubly insane that Russell just doesn't even address it.
	Just plays the clips and like, yep, okay, gotta carry on.
	Well, then he doesn't have to model behavior of threats.
	He's enlisting her to...
	Do the behavior modeling, and he can be the good cop, and she's the bad cop, so he can be really nice still.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And seem like with a placid demeanor.
	My hands are clean.
	Uh-huh.
	So from here we get to another alt-right talking point, and that is comments RFK Jr. has previously made about SSRIs in relation to mass shootings.
	And to your point that you made when you made these statements, it was not based on good science.
	I don't know what it was based on.
	I was saying the science needed to be done.
	I was saying these are potential culprits.
	We're coterminous.
	And I named other things.
	I said video games.
	I said social media.
	I said SSRIs.
	The SSRIs have a black box warning.
	Warning of suicidal...
	Mr. Chair, I will submit to the chair the information that I have about what Mr. Kennedy has said of linking antidepressants to school shootings.
	Thank you.
	Because actually, I'm sticking with this.
	It was clearly part of an assessment that RFK offered of the various factors in increased mental illness and suicide among young people.
	The biggest killer of young men is...
	Like, suicide is a massive crisis.
	Suicide and addiction, significant crisis in your country, but across the world.
	These are crises of meaning, of purpose, of spirit.
	And in Bobby Kennedy, somewhat uniquely, you have a politician who can speak to that, and from that place, that he sees it as a spiritual problem.
	In fact, the whole Maha movement has at its centre a spiritual idea that there is a fracture, that there is a fissure, that there is a brokenness in the American...
	I was going to say psyche, but I actually mean the American spirit.
	And it can be revivified.
	It can be healed that you can make America healthy again.
	Bobby Kennedy stands precisely for that idea.
	The interest of Big Pharma and the way that that lady advocated just then for SSRIs.
	She's a person that's been given a paper in a corridor in office and told, listen, here's some things you can say about SSRIs that are broadly supportive of them.
	"This means SSRIs are okay." Then a statement where Bobby Kennedy appears to mention SSRIs in the same breath as school shootings.
	And then what they've got is a way of presenting, "Right, this is why RFK shouldn't be in power, and this is why it's okay for Big Pharma to continue to profit from SSRIs, and this is why it's okay to frame school shootings as having this meaning and being supportive of this set of political ideas." This is such a wonderful insight into propaganda.
	This is indeed a wonderful insight into propaganda.
	Oh, I've just noticed that we've caught RFK Jr. doing a very particular hand signal here.
	That was unintentional on my part.
	Yeah, about yay high.
	One of the falcons that he tortured animals for is about yay high.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And of course, all of Russell's spiel there was going on while Mr. Kennedy here, as he's written, appears to be yelling down the microphone at some senator.
	Yeah.
	So, supposedly, according to Russell, the senator grilling RFK Jr. about SSRIs was given a paper in a corridor and told to defend them by some unnamed individual, presumably on behalf of the establishment or the deep state or whoever the hell else it might be.
	How else are you supposed to learn stuff other than getting a paper in a corridor and reading science and saying, oh, what a great point.
	Thank you so much for giving me this paper with all the research behind the paper.
	Go up there and say this.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The reality, of course, is that RFK Jr. has leaned into the alt-right conspiracy theory that SSRIs cause mass shootings.
	From CNN, quote, In a 2023 public conversation with tech billionaire Elon Musk, Kennedy made his usual call for additional research into the role of psychiatric drugs in these events, but then said moments later that there is tremendous circumstantial evidence that those like SSRIs and benzos and other drugs are but then said moments later that there is tremendous circumstantial evidence that those Um
	As for black box warnings, we covered this with the Aaron series shit, but those slips contain warnings for a lot of things, based on often circumstantial things that may have happened during clinical trial periods.
	It's legal protection in most cases.
	My anti-seizure medication has a warning for a risk of more seizures on it, as well as seizures, as well as suicide, and whatever else.
	But weirdly, the alt-right aren't on this big thing about the dangers of anti-seizure meds, despite having...
	The same warnings.
	They'll get to it.
	Don't worry.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	Also, if there's a chance that taking those medications, even though you need them as an individual, might complicate a pregnancy or abort a fetus, then women can't have them.
	Yeah.
	That's the fucking rules that they're making.
	America.
	Yeah, that's the reality of the situation.
	It's fucked up.
	It's incredibly fucked up.
	Incredibly.
	Yeah.
	So, from here, we move from the absurd to what I think honestly must be a willful stupidity looking at these two because Russell plays a clip of Matt Taibbi talking to Tucker Carlson.
	Here is Matt Taibbi and Tucker Carlson discussing how the pardoning of Fauci by Biden could have been a good thing rather than what many of us perceived it to be a clear and plain demonstration of total corruption.
	I'm just going to give you a preemptive pardon just in case you preemptively need a rose garden.
	There's no reason to pardon someone if they haven't done anything wrong.
	The pardon itself should be reason for a mass investigation and inquiry into the actions and decisions of Andy Fauci, but what we're seeing instead during the confirmation of RFK is an interrogation of the principle of inquiry and opposition and challenge and scepticism when it comes to accepting policy that appears to have been formulated around the will of Big Pharma.
	Let's have a look at Matt Taibbi and Tucker Carlson talking about Fauci and how that pardon could...
	The thing is, about these pardons, they're a mistake.
	If you want to know what's happening, they just made it a lot easier for us to find out.
	Because now, once the pardon's delivered, the person can't plead the fifth.
	If they're brought before a grand jury, they can't.
	Take the fifth anymore.
	If they're brought before a congressional committee, they can't evoke their right against self-incrimination.
	So they have to say something.
	And this is what's so interesting, because I've been talking to criminal defense attorneys, people who are former Senate investigators, some current Senate investigators, and they all kind of said the same thing.
	It's so illogical to give somebody a pardon if you're trying to cover up.
	That the only reason you would really do it is if there's very serious crimes involved, right?
	So that's a red flag for us.
	When we see somebody getting a pardon, we think, well, why would they do that unless there's something really bad there, right?
	So either it's a mistake where they just stupidly made it easier for everybody to investigate or something we don't know about that is interesting.
	Perhaps one of those crimes that Fauci would not be able to take the fit on is the crime of funding the research that led to COVID in the first place.
	Yep.
	Russell's still claiming that Fauci funded and created COVID-19.
	I'm glad to see he's still on that tip.
	Yeah, in terms of the actual clip, however, the key quote for me that Matt Taibbi apparently got from attorneys and all sorts of people is, it's illogical to give someone a pardon if you're trying to cover things up.
	Because, yeah, it is.
	I wrote down, if you have to plead the fifth.
	Not when you have to plead the fifth.
	If you have to plead the fifth is so you don't incriminate yourself with your statements.
	Yes, yeah.
	And I'm quite sure that Anthony Fauci doesn't have anything to hide.
	But of course, you know, that wouldn't stop Trump and his cabal from trying to throw the guy in prison regardless, hence the pardon.
	Hasn't yet!
	Hasn't yet.
	But, you know, if you want to look through all the information, have at it.
	Bring him in front of as many committees as you'd like.
	It's also just, we're going to go Occam's Razor.
	What's the most likely reason?
	To preemptively pardon somebody, even if that will work, is for the crime.
	The thing is, that's not a pardon of everything that Anthony Fauci's ever done.
	Every parking ticket is expunged.
	No, it's not like a blanket.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
	It's specifically for the crimes that he very well may be targeted unfairly for, so as to save us all the fucking grief of, like, either a fair-ish trial or a fully kangaroo court.
	And we don't know.
	So...
	If the crime was done, and there is a crime, you're not allowed to go on a fishing expedition as a, like, a prosecutor.
	That's the whole point.
	Okay.
	It's incredible.
	What I did find interesting about this was Russell insisting that Fauci being pardoned must be an admission of guilt.
	You know, that there was wrongdoing somewhere, otherwise he'd never have been pardoned.
	To which I ask...
	What about the Jan 6 guys, Russell?
	I know!
	They all got pardoned.
	Was there wrongdoing there?
	Why would you say that?
	Because in the last couple of weeks, he spent a lot of time with Lara Logan trying to claim that Jan 6 was all a CIA op and that the Jan 6s were all innocent.
	So, like, is a pardon an admission of wrongdoing or is it not?
	Which are the things?
	It's got to be one.
	Are they precrocious tourists?
	Or are they patently guilty?
	Because what you just said is they are all definitely guilty of the crime.
	Definitely guilty, yes.
	That's what we've got.
	And there should be a huge investigation.
	Right.
	Oh, and that's how you said specifically, it's like, oh, it must be really bad if you gotta get a pardon to cover your ass.
	So, wow.
	What they all did must have been really bad.
	Yeah, it says a lot.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We need a big investigation.
	One might think, I don't know, some kind of committee or commission.
	Maybe name it after the thing that it's doing.
	The Jan 6th commission?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	There's something there.
	Something there.
	Yeah, we've been rewatching Arrested Development lately, and we just recently got to the episode where, like, Michael tells Tobias Fuque, like, maybe just record yourself for a whole day.
	Like, just because I think you might find some interesting, which Tobias famously, denial, did not.
	So I can't imagine that would necessarily help Mr. Taibbi in this case.
	But I'd still maybe recommend thinking about what you say.
	Yeah, yeah.
	yeah.
	Okay, so from here we get back to the discussion of reproductive rights.
	And this does get a little tough with Russell also being a jackass throughout.
	I'm going to urge that to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to not make decisions on the basis of this session.
	I thank you for the additional time.
	And I guess my next minute is Senator Whitehouse, Senator Warren, and Senator Smith.
	And again, one minute.
	There's been a lot of conversation about long...
	Late-term abortions here, and I just want to make clear what Rhode Island OBGYN doctors describe as what is almost always happening when a late-term abortion is needed.
	It is a childbirth gone wrong.
	The family has painted the room, it has bought the crib, maybe even decided on the baby's name, and has gone to the hospital to welcome Is everyone using their minute to say the most dramatic
	thing they can think of?
	They sure are!
	It's sort of a terrible death of a child during labor.
	It's their job.
	The mom's life is often at risk, and she may have other children she needs to care for.
	The baby's life may be at risk.
	The doctor is on a motorbike for some reason.
	Hi!
	That environment.
	What?
	The doctors and the family.
	Trying to make it more dramatic.
	Own that decision.
	Government has no place in that room at that point.
	And I think we need to understand when this late-term abortion gets bandied about.
	Government don't have place in hardly any rooms.
	It should just be really dry rooms full of filing cabinets, tedium, mathematics and bureaucracy.
	There should be nowhere near any ideology.
	Government is not a sufficient force to marshal the great power of the Lord.
	And when government gets in the way of that power, it creates a kind of hell on earth.
	Offensive.
	Really morally wrong, and I just want to make very clear what Rhode Island OBGYNs tell me is the situation when these procedures have to be deployed.
	Sorry, I just wanted to let the senator from Rhode Island finish there.
	So the government doesn't have the power of the Lord, and when the government gets in the way of that power, it creates hell on earth, you know, when intervening in all these situations.
	And I'm like, well...
	If you truly believe that, Russell, why are you supporting the side that wants to strip every American of reproductive healthcare?
	Why are you supporting the side that wants the government in that room where supposedly only God should be?
	Like, I thought you're supposed to be against that, but instead you're being a dick and claiming everyone's being dramatic while women are dying in hospitals because doctors are too afraid to intervene and save their lives or they'll go to- Prison.
	Like, you know, that's the side you're supporting.
	Yeah.
	I disagree even with what the senator says, that there's no business.
	There shouldn't be a reason for a government to be in that room.
	But we need the government to be in that room protecting the human rights of the mother.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There are five states, I believe, right now, trying to get laws on the books that will impose the death penalty for a miscarriage.
	That is also already a possibility in several states in this country.
	More states are trying to make it more difficult for women to get any kind of care.
	It is shocking.
	What's crazy is I know that Russell knows it's wrong.
	If you're listening, you're not going to see it necessarily.
	Listen, I might be talking in my ass here.
	I don't know.
	There is a register of Russell.
	I think that Russell said the doctor thing.
	The doctor on a moped drunk or whatever.
	Because there's this moment where he's reckoning with the reality of what's being said.
	And he has to make a joke for himself to remind himself, oh right, I'm not on this guy's side.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, he has children.
	Even for the most selfish reasons possible, he wants his children to thrive as an extension of his own ego.
	So, like, he doesn't want to think about his wife and children being in this position.
	And if he thinks about it for a second, he has to make a joke.
	Because obviously, it's a grisly reality that people are dealing with, women are dealing with, every single fucking day!
	In this country.
	And more of them over time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And he's having to reckon with the fact that that's what he's supporting.
	Yeah, it's what he was just doing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's another, like the DNC livestream situation with him and Neil Oliver sat there looking bleak on a couch.
	Like, yeah, motherfucker.
	It's his face.
	It's his face.
	And if you're watching or if you are listening, where we are right now, that's his face.
	The face that we're looking at.
	That's Russell being like, mmm.
	I don't know.
	I feel bad and I don't know what to do.
	That's like the, I know that I feel too bad to spin this.
	And then makes jokes that are especially kind of like non sequitur because he's not in it.
	He's like, I need to take this to an absurd place in order to be able to deal with it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	We've got one last clip here and one last atrocity for Russell to hand wave away.
	And this time it's Liz Warren returning briefly discussing the measles outbreak in Samoa that RFK Jr. directly caused.
	Senator Warren.
	Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
	So, Mr. Kennedy, I wanted to ask about your role in the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa.
	Enjoy.
	Do you look what's going on in the world?
	Do you know, in 2019, in Samoa, there was an outbreak of measles!
	So, let's make that the focus!
	What about the onesies, though?
	What about- No, that's no more important than measles in Samoa.
	Well, actually, the measles in Samoa is important because it happens as a result of people not taking vaccines.
	And people ain't taking vaccines because Bobby Kennedy says we should ask questions of people that have legal indemnity when they try to mandate medicines.
	Monumental for this movement.
	So what happens?
	Vaccinations go down.
	That's crazy.
	There's a measles outbreak and children start dying.
	Yeah!
	Children!
	Children dying in a measles outbreak!
	Ready, Dad.
	You sent a letter to him promoting the idea that the children had died not from measles, but from, quote, defective vaccine.
	You launched the idea that a measles vaccine caused these deaths.
	You are a very influential man.
	In fact, you are called the leader of the disinformation dozen.
	I'm going to actually tap my pen for this.
	This is a pen tapper!
	The World Health Organization investigated this.
	They say the claims are false.
	It is not biologically possible what you claimed.
	And yet, ultimately, more than 70 people died because they didn't get vaccines.
	So my question is, are vaccines good?
	And can we please continue to have control over whether or not people get vaccinated but simultaneously say it's a woman's right to choose when it comes to abortions?
	Yeah, piece of shit.
	There's no other way to put that.
	And of course, that is a false equivalence.
	No one has been mandating vaccines in the United States, particularly not the COVID-19 vaccine, whereas women have had their reproductive health care stripped from them in most of the United States at this point, which means they are forced at the hands of the government to have babies they don't want, usually after grisly circumstances, or they're forced to simply die.
	This is Russell tacitly signing on to the concept of your body, my choice, without saying as much out loud.
	That's what that was.
	And that's what this smug fucking face is as well on the screen.
	Yeah, well, I mean, they're mandated for kids to go to school.
	Sure, with exemptions if you want them.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alright, well, what I feel like I was watching just now, that we've been leading up to, is like, Russell looks like that's a guy having a nervous breakdown.
	Really?
	Like, not being able to engage with reality to such a degree that you have to, like, do silly voices?
	Yeah.
	That is a person who is, like, detaching from reality.
	I hope that Russell's a narcissist.
	Because, like, if you were engaging in...
	Because, like, he's going to forget all this immediately if he's doing this for, like, his own ego, right?
	Like, it's all going to leave his brain.
	But I'd be much more concerned for his mental safety, watching him pause and then do a little lady voice of the thing that he knew she was saying, but in a goofy, woofy way.
	Yeah, he got the information pretty much correct.
	That's a sectioning.
	We're on the road to a breakdown if that's someone's...
	Consistent behavior in the face of reality.
	That's something to be concerned about.
	Unless...
	Oh, this sucks.
	He's mentally protected if he's a narcissist.
	Because if you're engaging in good faith, this is a sign that someone is cracking up.
	Yeah.
	Didn't think I'd say that today.
	No.
	No.
	Oh, boy.
	That's wacky.
	You just said the thing, but in a silly voice.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Full on, like, yeah, he knows this talking point.
	He knows what the situation is.
	It was like, yep.
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	My defense of that is squeaky voice.
	That's how I defend that one.
	Record.
	He ran out of ad pivots.
	He ran out of what Callie means to put on on Fox News.
	He ran out of all this other stuff.
	He's like, I'm gonna do squeaky voice.
	Yeah, well, and already, like, that's the thing is we still, you know, we didn't watch the whole coverage, but we got these snippets of a progression of someone becoming increasingly unhinged.
	From reality and then comforting themselves emotionally with a weird squeaky voice or a deflection.
	Like, that's denial.
	You are investing your energy in denying reality instead of reckoning with it.
	And if you do that enough, you will drive yourself crazy.
	Yeah, and this was a longer show than usual as well.
	Like, Russ was going for, like, about an hour 45 or something like that.
	It's normally just an hour.
	And so, yeah, this was, like, closer towards the end of the coverage.
	So he ran out.
	So, yeah.
	His tank was empty.
	Wow!
	And we washed it.
	That's...
	All right!
	Boy, what a journey.
	What a journey.
	Well, well...
	Looking forward to him getting confirmed anyway.
	That is what's coming.
	Well, I would also recommend...
	What's funny is I heard RFK Jr. boo confirmation hearing.
	Yay!
	And then we didn't really get the confirmation hearing.
	We got parts of it.
	Russell providing coverage.
	Yeah, the clips I saw, all of the clips I saw were from a very different...
	Confirmation hearing experience, even that was represented by Russell.
	So Team RFQ Jr. still couldn't really stick the landing?
	Oh yeah.
	I highly recommend looking for a highlights reel of that, because it is...
	Oh yeah, if it hasn't already come across your feed, definitely.
	I mean, it's hard to say one is more egregious than the other because there is a degree of apples and oranges with all of these nominees and how wacky their particular plans of attack are, but since RFK Jr. is so clearly manipulating...
	And then Russell's also doing it.
	It's just this one-two punch of emotional manipulation.
	Darvo.
	All that show.
	Stonewalling.
	Goalpost moving.
	Played all the hits.
	Yep.
	Really was.
	Oh, boy.
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