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April 25, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #53 - Roseanne Barr

Roseanne came on Stay Free, and while in many ways her and Russell get along famously, he does appear to have a problem with being interrupted. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - getyerrealactualgoldhere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
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	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
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	That was a win, win, win, win, win, win all the way around, by the sound of it.
	Well, yeah, it was good.
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	Really, you know, it's still exhausting and stressful.
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	They're very effective, I've gotta say.
	Very effective.
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	So, this week has been marginally less intense for Russell's content, but we did land on an interview he did with a person worth covering, and as ever, I will let Russell make the introductions.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, a very special show when we are talking to Roseanne Barr, who I consider to be an extraordinary, shamanic, swirling, whirling linguist.
	Swirling, whirling linguist Roseanne Barr is on Stay Free.
	Oh, this one's personal.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I wondered if it might be.
	It's extremely.
	It's both.
	Like, it's both.
	Also, I just realized how crazy my voice still sounds.
	Sorry, everybody.
	We may have had to keep awake for 12 hours to drive and like singing as loud as we can in the car the whole time.
	Oh boy, yeah.
	That's on me.
	My bad.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm very Smelling Cat today, I just realized.
	We're just in rough shape.
	I'm infected.
	Yeah, I think we're just... we're...
	We're in bad shape on on-brand today.
	The good ship on-brand needs to come into harbor for some repairs, I think.
	Choppy seas!
	Choppy seas for the good ship on-brand.
	We'll make it.
	I was kind of surprised.
	When I saw Roseanne's name, first I was like, huh?
	And then I was like, oh no, yeah, that completely tracks.
	She's been making the rounds and I was like, I was like, it's gonna happen.
	Cause like they're the most similar people of anyone that like, you know, they're like comedy entertainer.
	I mean, regardless of how she is now.
	She's wildly more skilled, talented and has a career that it absolutely shines compared to like Russell.
	But at this point, it's they're kind of on the same wavelength as just like, you know, funny acting people also.
	And, I don't know, Russell didn't do writing?
	Did he do some writing?
	No, he's not a writer.
	Yeah, anyway.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They do have a lot in common, I think that is fair to say.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, this, yeah, it did come as a bit of a surprise.
	It's become almost like a little bit of a game of bingo to figure out which kind of right-wing grifter celebrity will be on the show next.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	I hadn't even factored this one in.
	Oh yeah, she's promoting her new comedy special, right?
	So that's probably why she's making it.
	Or she had a, I don't know, a Wednesday free.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So yeah, I mean, Roseanne very much is the type of person who needs no introduction, you know, very famous as a stand-up and way more so for essentially being America's biggest sitcom until 1997.
	And, yeah, for anyone who might be out of the loop and is confused as to why she's on Stay Free, Roseanne hopped on the Trump train in 2015 when he first started running and pivoted her entire existence over to the right and has been kind of going down that road ever since.
	It's not that long ago she was on InfoWars, if memory serves.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And she's very big on the conspiracy theory stuff these days as well.
	Sure is.
	Which is fun.
	At the avant-garde, I'd say, which is... Man.
	I mean, honestly, it's a big get.
	Big get for them.
	Big get for the right... The levels of disappointment are deep.
	Yeah.
	Because she wasn't perfect.
	We knew that.
	No.
	No, no.
	So, it's weird to say that it's a weird fall.
	It's a weird fall.
	It's a specific kind of like, yeah, it's a weird fall.
	This one sucks.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't know how much of it I'm willing to put down to just like, wealth rotting people's brains.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of trauma in there, too.
	Yeah, yeah, true.
	A lot that she's already shared with all of us.
	And, you know, like, she's wrung herself out several times for our entertainment, you know?
	Yeah.
	That's why it's complex, too, because she wasn't just a rich, successful person the whole time.
	No, no, exactly.
	She struggled, which Russell did, too.
	That's tough.
	Young life was hard.
	And then when she got the wealth, she didn't know what to do with it, understandably.
	Um, you know, she mentioned in this interview, I didn't include the clip, but she mentioned that the first thing she did, one of the first things she did was go out and buy five dining sets and then had to buy a warehouse to put them in.
	I'm like, well, yeah, that's, that's, uh, yeah, that's maybe not balanced behavior.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	But I can't say I would know what to do either in that situation.
	Um, but yeah, well, it's, uh, That's a lot.
	With her transformation over the last decade in mind, Russell has a rambling question to ask about the pivot.
	Roseanne, thanks for joining us.
	Well thanks for having me.
	You're just talking about that.
	I'm excited to be with you.
	I'm excited to be with you.
	You mentioned, or at least we're beginning to mention I think, a time when I did a comedy show in the UK and you came over from America and we were so excited that you were there.
	Because prior even to the epochal, significant, and genre-defining Roseanne Show, you were a controversial and much-beloved stand-up comedian.
	And it seems like for a minute, and this is something I know from my own culture and from my own country, is that for a minute you were sort of able to be utilized by the culture as an example of, this is a working-class person that shows that, you know, America is working, and that liberalism is working, and look how we're getting I'm giving the platform to this white trash woman.
	I'm not saying that's what you are, I'm saying that's how you were used by the culture for a moment.
	And in a way we can use perhaps God, certainly your journey, and I know that personally, Ivy, you're getting a lot of love by the way in this chat, like you can use your journey and my journey in a sense to track how the culture has changed, how it talks about class dynamics, class politics, how ideas like freedom of speech, how the The fainting and utilization of mental health and yet the sort of condemnation of errors of judgment sort of have evolved over time.
	I wonder, Roseanne, because a lot of our audience may not know that you stood for a leader of the Green Party, that you've been outspoken on a number of issues, that you were pretty vocal Democrat supporter, I feel like, at times in your career before supporting Donald Trump.
	I wonder where you are in the culture right now.
	Do you feel sort of generally cynical and sceptical about what you might call mainstream culture, given what happened when the Roseanne show returned with tremendous success to the air and how you were treated and how the show was cancelled?
	I wonder what you feel has fundamentally changed since your first flood of fame and success and this new incarnation of Roseanne.
	Well, that's a lot to unpack there.
	Add one to the list of guests that Russell has flabbergasted with a bramble of a question.
	I didn't think she'd be thrilled.
	She seemed like she was handling it and following, but I didn't think that she'd be thrilled with that.
	With the Russell style.
	The brown ball.
	Yeah, and one thing you do have to give to Roseanne is the lady's a straight shooter, you know?
	She'll call it how she sees it.
	Yeah, to sum up his question a bit more neatly, what has changed between the 90s and now?
	Is it a lot?
	Feels like a lot.
	You have 20 seconds.
	Sum it up.
	Let's see what Roseanne has to say.
	I was just thinking about it this morning, funny, that I thought, you know what, I haven't changed at all.
	I have the exact same thoughts and beliefs that I had when I first came to Hollywood, you know, as a stand-up comic that wanted to, you know, talk about just regular people who do all the work that makes everything go.
	And unappreciated working class, you know, and, and class politics.
	I haven't changed any of my views whatsoever.
	But the, the, what do you call that the hourglass, you know, they do those hourglass flips in the mind control program of the mass media, you know.
	They do these hourglass flips and so they did a total hourglass flip where suddenly the left that I was you know I did run for president in 2012 as a socialist and all of a sudden you know that left and the left that I was raised in because my parents were Socialists, too, and their parents.
	But that left.
	Well, we cared about freedom of speech and we cared about, you know, civil rights and bettering yourself with education and moving up.
	And all of that flipped.
	And now it's like the left is not, as I always say, well, the left doesn't seem like your daddy's left anymore.
	Now it's just a kind of a fascist structure that hates civil rights, hates freedom of speech, hates individual rights, and just says, no, just authoritarian and just repressive, putting its big, can we swear on your show?
	Yes.
	I have to stop this interview right now, because Roseanne is about to transgress all sorts of extraordinary community guidelines that are amorphous, Kafkaesque, difficult to read and understand.
	Brilliant.
	Can we swear on your show?
	Brilliant.
	Yes.
	Though actually, we will have to take you off YouTube, because if you swear on the YouTube bit, it diminishes our reach.
	We don't get money.
	Yes and no, Roseanne.
	Yes and no.
	That was a move.
	There usually aren't a lot of really great editing choices on this show.
	That absolutely was one.
	That absolutely was.
	Smart.
	Smart.
	I enjoyed that.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so Roseanne is kind of throwing down the narrative that, you know, the left and right switched places.
	Roseanne and Russell's beliefs have been the same the whole time.
	It's the values of the left and right shifted like sands in an hourglass when you flip it over in a land where that metaphor makes some kind of sense.
	It'll make more sense in a minute, hopefully.
	Either way, it's a little bit tired so far, but okay.
	Let's let Roseanne finish her thoughts.
	So to jog everyone's memory, she was about to swear in talking about just how terrible the left is these days.
	Rubbing its fucking huge jackboot into your face and grinding it into the goddamn dirt, which is what they did to me because they didn't like...
	Well, they don't like working people is basically it.
	And they don't like anything having to do with working people or the kind of they look at us as they look at that class of people as like the great unwashed.
	Now it's like, oh, not only the great unwashed, because they've destroyed the whole working class and now they're working on the middle class to take all their money, because all they do is just go where there's a big pile of money and rob it.
	You know that.
	So, you know, they scope out where there's money and then they can go there and steal it and destroy the people that have it.
	But it it may have always been that way.
	But I didn't I didn't perceive it that way because I I I had that thing that left us have where you see the fake kind of make believe happy world where you you believe that you're compassionate.
	You don't really see how fascist you are until you know, I'm speaking
	in the past. I didn't realize all of that stuff about the left
	until I left the left slowly to go, Oh my god, look how they do
	in because when I ran for president, in the Green Party and socialist structures, I really believed it was about
	something different. And then I bought how it was just about
	graft and grifting just like the right. And I was like, man, they're the very politics.
	There's not two parties.
	There's one.
	Like my friend Gore Vidal said, there's just one party and it's the money party.
	And they'll put one guy in the window till the people are tired of being robbed and they go throw the bums out and then they'll put the other party in the window.
	Tell the people who are tired of being robbed, throw the bums out and then they'll put the same first part, you know, and that's what I mean by the hourglass flip.
	There's very little difference in either of them and even narrowing even more, you know, where it's just like, you know, we mean to take everything from you and you're just going to have to get used to it.
	Okay, so the hourglass metaphor makes marginally more sense to me now.
	Like, she's saying, aha, the two sides are the same, i.e.
	the sand inside the hourglass is the same, but when you flip it over it looks different.
	Okay, that still doesn't quite explain why the two sides are supposed to have completely switched values, but oh well.
	It makes sense to me in a way as far as like an hourglass.
	I'm following kind of, you know, we're going to go where her logic kind of hit me, is you got your hourglass.
	And I mean, I'm sure she's, or not I'm sure, I imagine she's talking about like presidents and like political figures, the top of the heap of political figures.
	And when we're done, you know, it's like, okay, we hate Bush, we hate Bush, we hate Bush till it's done and the sand is run out and it's filled up and then you flip it.
	And then you hate Obama.
	I mean, the thing is, is very different people are doing the thing, but she's kind of like doing a really glossy overview of like, oh, we just hate whoever's in power and then flip it.
	And I can understand why, if that's how she sees it.
	And I think that there's a lot of valid reasons why she can, that she's disappointed with the structures that she believed in.
	And I think if you're coming from more of a liberal rather than leftist perspective, I feel like liberals have a lot more sticker shock, kind of rude awakening whenever not understanding that, especially the Democratic Party, is where social movements go to die.
	And no one really acknowledges that from center left over to the right.
	And there's a lot of things that just aren't acknowledged.
	Yeah.
	And all these half measures that we're all very frustrated by, but the spaces in between are what will cook our elders brains.
	And we need to be very careful about that.
	It's really disappointing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I definitely, I sympathize with the disappointment about, you know, the political systems and the It's like a both sides argument, which we are frustrated by.
	You know, that's the thing that she's really kind of complaining about.
	It's like a both sides argument, which we are frustrated by.
	It's frustrating because it's not true unless you really zoom out.
	I mean, there's a lot of valid critiques, but it's but both sides are not the same.
	And so that's basically the hourglass, because they're both equal sides and then they run out and then you flip it.
	That's a both sides argument to me that she's making.
	Yeah.
	For, like, an object of art in your home that tells some time, maybe for cooking an egg is great, but, like, doesn't flesh out as, like, a political theory.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, perhaps.
	It does keep coming back up, so we'll see how- I bet.
	How the different uses of it go throughout the interview.
	What I do also take issue with is her claiming that her comeback in the sitcom Roseanne was cancelled because the left hate working people.
	I was there.
	That's not true.
	I remember that well.
	That's not true.
	Now, if you were to tell me that politicians and the Democrats have a classism problem, I would be inclined to agree, but that is not what happened.
	Yeah.
	So what actually happened, to jog everyone's memory, is that on May 29th, 2018, Roseanne responded to a thread on Twitter about Valerie Jarrett, a senior advisor to former President Obama.
	It read, quote, Muslim Brotherhood plus Planet of the Apes had a baby equals VJ, unquote.
	The tweet was widely criticized as being racist about Jarrett.
	Roseanne initially defended the tweet, but later posted an apology for making a bad joke about Jarrett's politics and her looks.
	She disputed allegations of racism, saying she believed Jarrett was Saudi, Jewish, and Persian, and released a video where she, quote, thought the bitch was white.
	Unquote, and that Roseanne herself was being labelled a racist because she voted for Donald Trump and there was nothing else to it.
	Bar also said that she made the tweet at 2am while on Ambien.
	Sanofi, which manufactures Ambien, responded by tweeting, quote, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication, unquote.
	Which, pretty good clapback, I like that.
	They noted Ambien had been linked to reduced inhibitions.
	I was going to say, like, tested that theory many times and have friends that it's worked out very poorly.
	Yeah.
	Later that day, ABC President Channing Dungay, the first African-American woman to head ABC, announced the cancellation of the show Roseanne and removed the show's content from the network website.
	Reruns of the original Roseanne were also removed from the Cat's Broadcasting-owned DigiNet LAFF.
	Imagine being that woman, like, first African American woman to head ABC and you're going to deal with that shit?
	Well, I'm sure she wasn't surprised at all.
	Probably not.
	She'd probably been dealing with it literally every day up until that day as well, from different avenues.
	So I bet she was like, all right, let's handle another.
	Yes.
	Cool.
	Wow.
	Yeah, so I'd question in this specific case whether the left don't like working people or maybe just aren't that big on racists.
	That's maybe... Yeah, just a thought.
	Naturally, Russell has some thoughts on the idea that the left hate working people.
	The vacillation between the various representatives of what is commonly called the Uni Party or what Gore Vidal, cool, would have called the Money Party is one example that helps me to understand that hourglass flip.
	But what struck me as more astonishing is when values like free speech That's when I started to think, hey, maybe they never liked working people in the first place and just used working people for a while in the same way that perhaps now they use different, inverted commas, minority groups, ethnic groups, sexual identity groups as a kind of mask
	For what appears to be a type of avarice that seeks to legitimize itself by pretending that they're somehow doing something for vulnerable people.
	I like the positions you've taken.
	Yeah, because they got to have an audience.
	They got to have, they got to have like a cap, they love a captive audience.
	And, you know, so they can sell shit to them and convince them that they're under threat.
	So they'll go get the shots.
	They're making $10 billion selling.
	And then they get cancer so then they own the cancer cure and the treatment for cancer.
	They own friggin' everything.
	They give you the cancer and then they own the cancer treatment company and the cancer medications.
	Of course they hide the shit that cures cancer.
	Oh.
	I must say, Roseanne is privy to some information that I am not.
	Like, the cure for cancer is being hidden away by Big Pharma.
	Oh, it starts so okay and goes so wacky, so fast.
	It's like falling off a cliff.
	It's just, you're on that little mountain road and everything's gravy and a big old gust of wind just tumbles you down the side.
	It's woof, woof, woof.
	Like Wile E. Coyote just dashing off the edge of a cliff and all of a sudden, you see there's nothing underneath you anymore.
	Oh dear.
	Um, yeah.
	I would love to be able to drill down further on this issue with Roseanne, as to who's hiding it specifically, and when it was discovered, and all of that, but sadly Russell doesn't ask a follow-up to this revelation, which I am crushed about.
	Aw, man!
	I know!
	Of all the things!
	Of all the things!
	Yeah, oh, like, tell me more!
	Yeah, no, no, no, like, listen!
	Say all of it.
	Say all of it.
	Let us all hear what's bopping around in there.
	This is juicy.
	I want more.
	I do have to say, and this is somewhat well known, but a researcher named David Robert Grimes investigated the probability of certain conspiracy theories remaining secret and created models trained off previous conspiracy theories like the FBI forensic scandal to estimate how long it would take for a secret cure to be shared.
	His models found that, you know, the more people that were involved, the harder it was to keep quiet.
	For a cover-up to remain effective for five years, less than two and a half thousand people would need to know about it.
	To last for ten years, less than 1,250 people could know, and so on.
	Which is more than I would have thought, actually.
	However, David's paper estimates that between 57,000 and 700,000 people would have to be involved in a cancer cure cover-up based on pharmaceutical companies' employees.
	Now, it's not a perfect science, but I'm hoping it will at least serve as an illustrative example.
	That's useful!
	It's interesting, because it is just a model, right?
	Models are models, but it's useful to have as a baseline to compare against.
	Just a metric to maybe... Yeah, something to let us know.
	Right, right, right.
	Yeah, that's why Roseanne's suggestion here, the cure for cancer is being hidden, is a little surprising to me, but you know, I maybe won't be taking your word for it.
	I want more details though, I really do.
	I've taken to writing my guess for what I have a guess.
	I'll withhold it.
	I've written it.
	Okay.
	I hope I'm wrong, but I'm interested to see where this goes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, well, next, Roseanne does one of your favorite linguistic tricks.
	I mean, it's just like the devil, you know, if you get really fundamentally, fundamentalistic religion in some way, you can understand it.
	It just is the devil.
	I can understand when people go and say that.
	I mean, it's easier to communicate with people who think that way than it is to communicate with people who talk about, you know, stock prices.
	It's just too out there and it just makes no sense at all for living human beings who think, you know?
	Yeah, you're right.
	Like a sort of a Luciferian metaphor, or metaphors derived from scripture, or metaphors that acknowledge the existence of good and evil, make more sense and seem to have more value and have more utility than just the endless doubling down on rationalism.
	Especially when it seems that rationalism, as I said before, can be used to justify whatever they want to do.
	Oh, now censorship is a good thing.
	Now war is a good thing.
	Even the idea of being rebellious used to be kind of edgy.
	It sort of struck me recently that the CIA... You know what blew my mind, Russell?
	Get him.
	Get him, girl.
	He needs it!
	He needs it, because he talks too fucking much.
	That, I'm getting my life.
	She's like, no, we're going to make a good conversation happen.
	You're ridiculous, and we're going to have an actual, real conversation.
	Ping pong with me here, dog.
	Stop at one idea, and then I'll talk a little, and then you talk a little, and then I'll talk a little.
	Instead of you Writing a tome for me to sit through and then maybe answer or not at all.
	This is, it is interesting to see how a woman handles this show.
	A woman, a Roseanne woman.
	A Roseanne woman, not just a regular old, regular dangler.
	A Roseanne woman.
	Yeah, it is really quite refreshing.
	She is more than happy to interrupt him and just charge on through with whatever it is she wants to say.
	Doing him a favor.
	You do it.
	Doing him a fucking favor.
	I hope he learns.
	He learns how to fucking snap it up a little bit from this.
	That's one thing I would like.
	I'm looking for silver linings here.
	Dragging silver linings out of this.
	Um, so the discussion around Luciferian stuff there felt almost a little bit honest.
	Like, they were both sat there like, yeah, it's just easier to call it the devil, isn't it?
	Like, it's just much easier to communicate that to people than the nuanced reality of things.
	Sure is!
	Real time saver, efficiency plan.
	Marie Kondo in it!
	Yeah, you really cut to the chase and you're like, oh it's evil so I never have to think about it again and I can hate it the most because it's also a disembodied evil.
	It's something else entirely, like it's not even a human, it's the devil and even if humans are doing it, well they're agents of the devil so I never have to think about it again and I just get to hate it.
	Done.
	Nailed it.
	Nailed it.
	Next, Roseanne, well, she's concerned that what she's about to say is going to get her into trouble.
	I hope we don't get in trouble.
	Will we get in trouble?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to get in trouble.
	I was going to say how they sold the... Don't say it then.
	You know, I'm a Jew.
	And you know, in Israel, everybody got like five and six, 16 boosters, I don't know, right in the eyeball.
	And they couldn't line up fast enough for it.
	And all my family, they're all liberals and gay, you know, in America.
	Democrat, liberal, gay folk.
	And they couldn't line up fast enough to get the damn thing.
	And I was like, is there nothing in your memory, perhaps, about not trusting a government that tells you, you know, something with medications or gas or showers?
	Is there no memory of any of that lining up for A government that, you know, Tuskegee, the poison blankets to the Indians.
	Is there no memory?
	It's like an assault on memory.
	That's what I think they're really doing.
	And that's why the hourglass flipped too, because then you don't really have any memory bank.
	And of course they just erase the fucking internet every time you turn around.
	Everything you go to look for is gone!
	You know what I mean?
	Like, the information is gone, or compromised, or changed, and that's why it's difficult to even talk about what's happening right now, because in three weeks, they'll be exposing that that was all a lie.
	Oh dear.
	Um, yeah.
	Gotta say, she's right about the internet getting deleted all the time.
	Makes researching this show very frustrating.
	I look something up, I write my notes, go get a cup of coffee, and by the time I come back, it's all changed and I'm back to the drawing board.
	I had no idea.
	She lived through the AIDS crisis.
	She was on the right side of history to some degree.
	I don't recall off the top of my head.
	I'm only getting Elizabeth Taylor and Princess Di off the top of my head as images, but she talked about it on the show.
	She put gay issues on TV.
	She was at the forefront.
	I thought she was at least gonna lie about that.
	I had no idea.
	She's like, oh, well, no, that's very inconvenient as to why gay people are especially responsible when it comes to the spread of an infectious disease.
	She went straight to gas chambers.
	That's an inconvenient kind of, yeah, oh wow.
	Okay.
	Oh wow.
	Yeah, that was a big leap.
	That was the Holocaust, the Tuskegee experiments, and giving smallpox-laden blankets to Indigenous Americans.
	That's where we went with that.
	Um, with the COVID-19 vaccine.
	Oh boy.
	Oh boy.
	I can see why she was concerned it would get her in trouble.
	I can see why she was like, should I say this?
	I'm gonna say it.
	If anyone ever wonders why I have this Thirst for knowledge that has been referred to as inhuman, and I am really into learning about uncomfortable things, is because I don't want to get stuck in... I never want to turn a Tuskegee experiment or the Holocaust or anything into a talking point.
	I want to know about it.
	I want to know the whole thing so that I don't get stuck in this, because it becomes just a buzzword.
	It's also a completely valid complaint, and our government does extremely fucked up things.
	But as far as having institutional bigotry, institutional racism, having that kind of I also just didn't come up with it like blue sky thinking walking through the park one day.
	I've read a lot about it.
	I've listened to a lot.
	I've watched a lot.
	So how those things have been weaponized, it's illuminating.
	I'd encourage folks to, if it's a little uncomfortable, seek it out anyway and learn about it because this is what can happen.
	And this is a problem, a big, big, big problem, because especially even just like with COVID and with the vaccines, if you weren't listening to black people, like black and brown people during COVID, you can think this.
	This is something that you can, like being sensitive to, I may or may not have had a couple of fights with my family.
	Around this very specific thing is like, as a as a privileged white person, you don't get to say, well, the Tuskegee experiments happened, so I'm not going to trust the government and this vaccine.
	No.
	Yeah.
	That's not enough.
	You need to have some, like, analysis and understanding and also listen to other Black people.
	It's assigning this, like, notion.
	Oh my God.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Completely agree.
	Reign it in, Lauren.
	Yep.
	There's a lot.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	That's fair.
	Russell is eager to move on in the next clip, understandably, but I think he perhaps doesn't move far enough.
	What strikes me, Roseanne, is they're always using, like, the specter of those 20th century dictators, your Stalins and your Hitlers, as the big threats.
	That's the thing you've got to watch out for.
	But it seems to me that we're entering into a type of... And you know what they never say, Russell?
	And I love saying this too.
	They never, ever remember that there was a Stalin-Hitler pact.
	They never bring that up, do they?
	Wow, go on, tell me more.
	Well, you know, to me, it's like, oh, they had a contest who can kill the most people.
	You know, that's what it seems like.
	So it was a dead pool?
	Oh, we can kill them and we'll, you know, and it never stopped.
	There was a leaderboard?
	Where they say, you know, I'm saying when people say, Oh, never again.
	How about it never stopped?
	And we went over here and killed all that tribe.
	And then the Nazis supposedly went to South America, killed everybody in the rainforest, doing experiments on captive populations is what it's all about.
	And that's what I'm talking about when I talk about people lining up for inoculations or whatever you want to call them.
	They never stop.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	You know, whether it was Project Paperclip or just the way that power migrates and moves.
	Where to begin?
	God, can you imagine being in the room trying to participate in this discussion?
	Yeah.
	How would you keep a thread?
	Well, I've gotten a lot of practice in the last year, so honestly, that sounds like a blast.
	That sounds like one hell of an afternoon.
	So there was an Axios reporter that was an angel in the news for about a week.
	He was like a normal person.
	He was like a journalist person with a lot of experience and gravitas to the job interviewing Donald Trump and his face is, I'm sorry listeners, but his face is just like, just contortions, contortions of confusion.
	I know, I can't hide it.
	I know I would be doing that, but I would still be like, I would be drilling down and like, no, no, no, I want to know exactly what you mean here.
	I bet I know what she's talking about.
	And she read a meme, or she read something.
	It's so hard.
	It'll be something on 4chan, you know?
	Right, right.
	It'll be like, let's actually talk about the thing, you know?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Give me more.
	Yeah, so I'll give a recap.
	So first of all, Hitler and Stalin were having a competition as to who could kill the most people.
	You've already forgotten me!
	Oh my god!
	Sort of like Legolas and Gimli in Lord of the Rings but scaled up a bit, right?
	That's what was happening.
	And so experimenting on captive populations is included in that and then that competition just never ended.
	So presumably Hitler and Stalin handed their roles off to proxies or something before they died and then you can draw a line directly from that To the COVID-19 vaccines being made today.
	And that is a good point, according to Russell, whether it is Project Paperclip or just the way that power migrates and moves.
	So that line that Russell there is drawing is, aha, all these German scientists came over to the US and continued the work of Hitler in killing us all with the vaccines!
	That also wasn't what she was even talking about.
	No, it's not!
	He's drawing his own little...
	He knows his words.
	The thing is, I promise you that Roseanne knows things about... She has information about a lot of specific actual CIA operations and covert ops of any number of stripes from the American side.
	I bet she knows a lot more.
	She has information about...
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	I'm choosing my words very specifically.
	She has information about it in the way that may be or may not be.
	It might be distorted to fit a narrative of convenience rather than the very complex reality of the world we live in.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and not for nothing, but I'm also pretty sure the Nazis had very little to do with South America in World War II.
	Like, so far as I could find, there was some espionage and that kind of thing, but the US were very concerned about it.
	But that's based on what I could find.
	I'm happy to be corrected!
	Well, after!
	After World War II.
	Yeah, I think is what she's talking about.
	Okay, okay, okay, so maybe, okay.
	That's a, okay, if we're not, okay.
	Yeah, so all the Nazis then disappeared to South America after, yeah, so maybe that's what we're, but then she was on about them invading the jungle and killing everyone.
	It wasn't invading the jungle, it was experimenting on native populations, which did happen, that's like, but again, that did happen.
	What is the analysis and understanding behind that?
	Like, that's the thing, is like, there's a whole other – there's two ways you can go.
	Like, oh, well, that happened.
	That was a thing that happened that, you know, like, regardless of the scale or the details of the story, you can just say, Oh, well, that happened.
	And so bad.
	So it's another thought-stopping idea that you're like, oh, well, that happened.
	So all of South America is like, it's this kind of generalization, which it's an interview.
	It's an internet interview.
	And she's not researching.
	She's just spitballing.
	So she's just throwing out what she knows.
	And it's like saying Tuskegee experiment.
	It's just a different way of saying it.
	Because there's a lot of those.
	Governments have not helped themselves by making those situations happen over and over throughout time, let me tell you.
	Everybody's wrong.
	Everybody's wrong.
	But there's two ways to approach those ideas, which is like learning about the actual history and ins and outs of what we know or what we can know, or making a boogeyman.
	And a boogeyman is impossible to fight because it's supernatural, so let's not do that.
	Unless it's the devil!
	Okay, oh, the same exact thing?
	Yeah, that's exactly the same thing.
	Right.
	Could be Lucifer!
	Ah, yep, okay, good, good.
	Oh dear.
	Now we're gonna skip ahead a minute to Russell being a little bit mad about YouTube.
	Man, have you ever received a letter from YouTube?
	Hello, we've closed your account.
	We're not giving you any money.
	Signed, the team.
	You don't even know who anyone is.
	You don't even know what you're supposed to have done.
	You don't know who you're supposed to appeal to.
	That's Kafka.
	What, you know, I think that the problem, one of the problems with some of the political models that idealists and ideologues hanker after is that socialism, for example, was a response to
	industrialization.
	But, you know, in the West at least, we're living in a post-industrial age.
	We're living in a technological age, and we need political movements
	that are a response to how power is operating now.
	Industrialization was how power controlled resources and controlled people a hundred years ago.
	Now, they're boosting up to control us with, "We got your data.
	We're watching everything you do.
	We're capturing and scraping everything you said.
	We got a hundred million data points on you."
	And like, it's almost...
	I told my son last night, we were...
	You know, my son and I are having a great time here in New York.
	We were out drinking and pontificating, you know, that's fun.
	And I got the idea and I said to my son, you know, I think it's a it's a it's we all know we're in an information war.
	But I was like, it's like artificial intelligence versus the other artificial intelligence.
	It's like this war between two artificial intelligence things.
	I'm enjoying the interrupting game.
	And I do, in moments like this, I'm like, did she know what she was going to say when she opened her mouth?
	Or was it just like, let's see what happens!
	Let's go!
	I do appreciate it.
	I mean, she's editing.
	She's doing a massage.
	I'd be interested to hear what she said right after she got off this call to a trusted person who's in the room.
	I'd love to hear it.
	I'd love to hear it.
	Oh, so Russell is still mad about YouTube demonetizing him anyway.
	It's Kafka!
	The thing is, I've been on the receiving end for the most vague, ridiculous, and genuinely, I think that YouTube is way better about it than any meta product.
	I've gotten plenty of community guideline violation strikes.
	And I don't know if it's music that they provided for me to put on a reel or an image within the reel.
	Um, like, there's a few very specific things, because, like, I'm not saying anything edgy or different or, you know, I'm not, I don't think I'm violating any community guidelines.
	Yeah.
	Obviously.
	And not like these people.
	I genuinely am like, I read the list.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	And they'll just say multiple violations.
	Yeah.
	And let me tell ya.
	No one cares.
	No one will get back to me anyway.
	I'm sure they would return a phone call from Russell or Roseanne, but not me.
	And so, I completely agree with, and as a human in the world that has a brain just like Russell, and experience as an adult, I know exactly what the complaint is that he is concerned with.
	I've had it.
	I get it.
	But you signed up for it.
	You're doing something totally different.
	Like, yeah, it's frustrating.
	It's frustrating that they're vague.
	I'm not assuming a conspiracy against me.
	I'm not, like, I'm not assigning, like, no, it's just a shitty system.
	It's a shitty app and a shitty system and we're stuck, like, using this platform that is entirely intended to sell, to make ad revenue for meta.
	That's what it is.
	I get that.
	Or, yeah, it's an elaborate international conspiracy.
	It's Kafka.
	It's Kafka, is what it is.
	Listen, a parking spot can be Kafkaesque if you really boil it down.
	I love it.
	Okay, girl.
	I do, I do.
	Cry me a river.
	Cry me a river.
	Well, that's it.
	If anything, they were generous with the amount of leeway they gave him before demonetizing him, because there were so many things that he could've been taken down for before he was, so yeah.
	And now you get to have this conversation on Rumble, and you got a big chunk of money from Rumble to do what you're doing.
	Again.
	Yeah, and you get to bitch about it and whinge about how you've been cancelled.
	Boo.
	Fucking.
	Boo.
	Yeah.
	Oh dear.
	Now let's hear Roseanne finish her thought about the two AIs battling it out.
	So far I'm imagining the plot to Terminator 2.
	That's what's in my head.
	Let's see where she takes it.
	And it's always a war between two things.
	That's how they keep us going and at each other.
	But the real solution, I love what you just, I mean, I agree with everything you just, why couldn't we have perfection?
	We have everything in place to do it.
	The only thing is the light bulb hasn't gone out, gone on in the conscious mind yet, but I do feel it's coming, you know, I do.
	But the, of course, the real solution is synthesis.
	of two structures, you know, two economic structures, neither one really works.
	But a synthesis, that's what I ran for president.
	I ran on that.
	I said, let's not say capitalism or crony capitalism.
	Let's not say socialism.
	Let's say peopleism.
	You know, let's go to the next friggin level of shit and leave this shit behind because it's old.
	It's over.
	It's never going to fucking work.
	We've had all these world wars.
	None of this shit's going to ever, ever work.
	No.
	We have to go to the next step and there's people who are smart enough and we have all the technology in place that we're the right people to, I always say, seize the means of media production.
	We can do it because that's all that stands in the way is people hearing the right information that will trigger and fire up their great imaginations to actually solve some of the fucking problems that human beings deal with that are all unnecessary because somebody's making money off it off of exasperating the problem.
	That's what's wrong.
	Mmm.
	Now, there is a part of me that thinks it is kind of a shame Roseanne isn't running for some kind of office at the moment, not because I think she'd be great at the job, but because I do want to hear someone in earnest stand on a podium and say, let's get to the next friggin' level of shit and leave this shit behind, because it's never gonna fuckin' work.
	Vote for me.
	Like, alright!
	Like, you can see, I think...
	In that clip, you can see kind of part of the appeal that she has to people, where like, if you turn enough blind eyes, you know, you can see just the lady saying capitalism is bad and we need a new system, you know, everything's fucked.
	You know, it's pretty appealing.
	And she had me, you know, for a brief moment until the solution was, you know, seizing the means of media production, and then you start to go like, oh no, we have overtures to how the legacy media are all terrible.
	Well, it's like, listen kids, this is why you read your theory.
	And listen, it's not long.
	There's not a lot.
	You can get summaries.
	We are on a platform that gives you ample resources that are vetted and are researched and are accurate.
	Because if you don't educate yourself and not have an understanding and a baseline and realize your theory, then you will succumb to buzzwords and cute phrases.
	And not understand what they mean or the intention behind it.
	You could say the media production.
	And then magically, you're JoJo Siwa thinking that wearing a kiss outfit is the edgiest thing that a lesbian pop star has ever done.
	Get fucked.
	Right.
	And then you sound like a fucking... And people let you sound like a fucking asshole in public.
	And you're accidentally, not so accidentally, condescending to everyone in your community.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you catch the news that she's gone in on the non-woke movie studio with Mel Gibson and Mark Wahlberg, by the way?
	Did you see that?
	She?
	Roseanne?
	Yeah.
	I'm sure.
	Fine.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	There's only like 12 of them.
	They're eventually all gonna be in the same like corporate structure, of course.
	Like the people that are like really powerful and completely fucking batshit and like Mel Gibson just get to like say stuff and still have a career.
	Like Jim Caviezel's gonna be in it.
	Like it's that's yeah, that's...
	Yeah, we're taking the sound of freedom and just amping that theory up.
	Mark Wahlberg's trajectory is worsening!
	I didn't think it would, you know, you had Hallow on all that and it's still on the downswing.
	I'm like, oh no, oh no.
	Oh, he's been on this train for a while.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I thought it would stop at something, but nope.
	No, no, no.
	We're powering down that hill, is what we're doing.
	Also, Mel Gibson.
	Roseanne talks about being Jewish all the time, and talks about her Jewish upbringing all the time.
	Yeah.
	This is proof!
	Positive.
	Class solidarity is the most firm, secure, and understood in the fucking riches, is rich people, is the upper echelon of class.
	The top tier, they understand class solidarity better than anybody else, and they live it, they embody it.
	That's the thing, is I can say, oh, these people embody class solidarity.
	End of thought.
	And it could be, it's so inspiring.
	Or, oh my god, it's your critique, and we have... That's the thing.
	You can say this neutral statement that is... You can kind of infer, oh, whatever it means to you.
	As it's inspiring that they have class consciousness.
	No, no, no.
	No, no.
	They are conspiring to...
	Hoard all the wealth and power by any necessary.
	The World Economic Forum have class consciousness.
	That's why they're there.
	They understand support and protection, and they also have the resources to do it, but they understand it better than anybody.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Which should have us shaking in our boots, not be inspired by this act of solidarity we're watching right now, because that's what Russell's show is every week.
	Also, I do think that Roseanne could do with a new name for her system of synthesis, because people-ism, I think, just isn't going to stick.
	Learn your theory!
	There's already a definition, there's already words, somebody already thought about it, and they're smarter than you.
	That's what's amazing is if you're going to argue for community solidarity in any way and then ignore what the community and what the solidarity has been working on for decades, nope.
	No.
	Just no.
	You're not doing it.
	You're not doing it.
	Yeah, it's difficult to find concrete information on her exact running platform back in 2012.
	So she initially ran for Green Party nomination but lost out to Jill Stein, right?
	Many Green Party members were understandably unsure that Roseanne was there to go the distance and and represent the Green Party's values in full.
	And after that she ran for the Peace and Freedom Party.
	She appeared to run on a platform of ending the drugs war, expanding marriage equality, and abolishing the Fed.
	Those were three kind of more concrete things I came across.
	Man, everybody liked Ron Paul a little bit.
	It was a different time.
	It was a different time.
	Nationwide in 2012, she came sixth, just in case anyone was wondering.
	I thought that was interesting.
	Wow.
	Yeah, we love her.
	That's the thing.
	We love her.
	And there's a lot of really good reasons leading, you know, before this, this turn.
	Yeah, there's a lot of really good reasons why.
	Yeah.
	Totally valid reasons why.
	Now, Russell has, as we've seen, been interrupted a couple of times, so in the next question he really does his absolute best to keep his shit together and ask a question.
	Now, during the Trump-Hillary campaign, there was a lot of talk about Trump being a dog whistle racist, but one of the dog whistles that's consistently missed, and it's a pretty shrill and loud one, is the hatred of ordinary working Americans.
	Because what started off, I suppose, or at least it seemed to, as a personal attack on Donald Trump... This is keeping it tight!
	and flaws of Donald Trump all day long.
	But certainly it seemed to grant the opportunity to condemn 50% of the population as terrorists.
	And the image that's continually used is of the white working class, not exclusively white,
	because certainly Trump's appeal is growing across numerous racial dynamics
	as anti-establishment politics across the world takes off when people start to recognize, wait a minute,
	if they hate this person, maybe this is my best shot at some kind of victory against the empire,
	to use a phrase you just used.
	But what's really evident is that working people are detested and it seems like the culture,
	the establishment, the mainstream is looking for ways to justify, legitimize, and double down on that hatred.
	In our country it was with Brexit, in your country it was with Trump.
	These people are racists.
	That's in fact a common refrain.
	But I see so much opportunity... You know why?
	Because it's the ultimate classist insult.
	He wasn't keeping it tight at all.
	No he was not.
	And that's what I found out when I heard a socialist candidate is their classism is off the charts.
	And as if you really break it down, of course, racism is a byproduct of classism.
	It's not the other way they did that hourglass flip, you know.
	But their arrogance and their, you know, arrogance and ignorance, they really are a magnet.
	They go together.
	But that's that's their way of being racist, too, is when they say the Bible cling.
	Who the fuck do they think they're talking about?
	The Bible clinging this and that.
	We know who they mean.
	Yeah.
	You know, they mean the black church, for one thing, but they won't.
	They got their language.
	We know what they mean.
	This is getting convoluted.
	Yeah.
	So Russell was coming in there with the media being racist towards the working class by calling Trump supporters racist, which is a fun degree of mental gymnastics to start with.
	And then Roseanne pops in and says, well, it's because calling someone racist is a classist insult.
	And then on almost a separate note, if you break it down, racism is a byproduct of classism.
	And then the calling Trump as racist, that's the media's way of being racist towards them, and when they talk of the Bible clingers, they mean the black church, we know what they mean.
	Like, it gets a little bit all over the shop.
	My thoughts exactly.
	They don't.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, and, you know, racism and classism inextricably linked, but almost inextricably linked, but also racism at a certain point can just be just fucking racism.
	That is also a thing.
	That's why you know your theory, and that's why you listen to other people that are smarter than you, is because the actual thing is, the tenet, is that racism is necessary for capitalism to operate.
	So everything's under that umbrella of capitalism, as far as racism, classism, bigotry in general.
	They behoove Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	machinations of capitalism, so therefore capitalism will protect those systems. And so one doesn't
	really come out of the other, they work in tandem. So she's close, but not there.
	Yeah, yeah. And I'm pretty sure when the media or whatever are discussing Bible clingers
	or Bible thumpers or whatever, or the Bible belt, it's mostly white Christians.
	White evangelicals.
	Yeah, is my experience.
	Now, what's interesting here is that after saying, oh, they mean the black church, we know what they mean, the Rumble version of this interview throws immediately to an ad.
	And when it comes back, moves on to something completely different.
	And I was going off the Rumble version for the edit this week, so I thought, huh, what did she say on the Locals version of this conversation?
	What was that bit there?
	Only to find that whatever she said in the next 20 seconds after that comment was muted on the Locals video.
	Whatever it was, was so much of a problem it couldn't be shared with the locals channel, just in case.
	Oh, I wanna know.
	Lipreaders.
	We need a lipreader in the house.
	Yeah, I tried.
	I couldn't guess at it.
	I couldn't.
	But yeah, okay.
	Interesting.
	Anyway.
	We come back from the ad break, where Russell was still selling prescription medicines, by the way.
	He's still on that tip.
	And he has more to talk about with calling things Luciferian.
	Wait, prescription medicines?
	That idea that you touched upon earlier about how... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Do you remember he would sell this whole pack with antibiotics and that kind of thing?
	Oh, that's right.
	That's right.
	Like the survivalist thing.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I've got a whole thing.
	It's got Ivermectin in it, hydroxychloroquine.
	It's got all the good shit that you want.
	Yeah.
	No, he's still selling that.
	He's got his own little page on their website now with his face on it.
	It's great.
	Whoa.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, let's take a look at more of the Luciferian chat.
	That idea that you touched upon earlier about how to keep it simple you can just say it seems like the devil.
	It seems like at heart what they don't want is people to have values that are outside of their prescribed value system that makes people manageable.
	If people that emerge from working class communities can be hoovered up into sport or entertainment or shut down altogether or lifed off into dead end Factory jobs or worse, or if they can be placated by universal credit and ignored, then you don't have to address the systems that are creating this.
	And these systems seem to be... And you can steal their votes too, Russell.
	Huh.
	Is that what you... How do you conceal them?
	Nullify them?
	Not include them?
	Not record them?
	Not count them, right?
	Right.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, it is worth noting.
	When I very first heard that, I thought she said boats, by the way.
	That's what I heard.
	Oh, votes!
	Votes!
	Yeah, exactly.
	Votes!
	Votes, yeah, exactly.
	Votes!
	(laughing)
	I was like, why are we stealing the working class people's votes?
	I was so intrigued.
	I was like, what boats are we stealing?
	There's boat drama.
	There's boat drama right now.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	There's international, you know, there's international boat drama.
	She said boats.
	Yeah, she did.
	They're not counting the boats, Russell, right?
	This is a problem.
	Oh dear, yep.
	Oh boy.
	So yeah, Roseanne does completely and entirely believe the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump in case that was a question that anybody had.
	Yeah, now from here, Russell, oh by the way, that universal credit thing he mentioned, that's a very British reference, that's our welfare system over here, that's what it's called, you get universal credit, it's this whole thing.
	So when he says you can placate them with universal credit, it just means you can put them on welfare and they'll be quiet, you know, that's what he means.
	Oh, okay.
	That's good to know.
	I had no idea it was like that.
	Yeah, so I thought I would explain that, I guess.
	What a neutral term.
	How responsible of the government.
	Right.
	What a nice, better way to say it.
	Geez.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Though the rollout of it was, yeah, there are problems with it, but that's a whole separate issue anyway.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	The name isn't Welfare of Food Stamps.
	Yeah, the name is definitely less harmful.
	So next, Russell gets into some movie talk, and we get an interesting perspective here.
	It's really interesting.
	I watched that film Selma the other day about, you know, like the historic struggles of Martin Luther King.
	And it seemed implicit in this film that like the inheritors of Dr. King's legacy are the current Democrat Party, whereas the inheritors of the standing at the sides with the Confederacy flags like spitting Yahoo white trash are the Trump voters.
	But it seems to me that if you look at CIA activity then, they were spying on Martin Luther King,
	and CIA activity now, they're spying on people that are anti-establishment,
	whether those people are right-wing Jan 6th or left-wing BLM.
	It seems to me that power is still centered on the ability to control perpetuating continual wars,
	legitimize authoritarianism through crisis or response to crisis.
	It seems to me that, you know, one of the hourglass flips is we don't know who the goodies are anymore.
	And it certainly ain't the current incumbents of the White House who, you know, whether it was Obama or Bush or Biden, perpetuate continual war.
	You do whatever tokenistically they have to do to placate and distract the population while continuing.
	It is a total tokenist, total tokenism and a beat down, always a beat down, you know, and also just separatism to the max.
	OK, so you've seen the movie Selma.
	No, I haven't watched Selma.
	No?
	Okay, okay.
	So, well, it came out in 2014 to start with, so I think that that should be, you know, so this was before there were Trump voters.
	We should possibly be a bit concerned that Russell could watch that film.
	A movie about Martin Luther King and the Selma March and the KKK and the incredible racism and violence black people faced in the South during that moment.
	You know, a movie that came out in 2014.
	Russell can watch that and say, ah yes, this film makes it implicit that the Democratic Party is the inheritor of Martin Luther King Jr.
	And the inheritors of all the racists are the Trump supporters.
	He can have those feelings, not examine them in any way whatsoever, and immediately leap to the defense of the racists in the situation.
	He's not thinking like, why am I drawing this line between the racists and the Trump supporters?
	Why is that happening in my head?
	Well, the thing is, Al, it's really difficult to know what the actual experience of Martin Luther King, not an actor in a movie film, said and thought because all those records are lost.
	We have no idea what he really believed in or why he was doing what he was doing.
	So we can only divine it from this one piece Of infotainment.
	Yes.
	Yeah, because you can't find... I mean, you know, MLK's thoughts and feelings are lost to time.
	What do you do?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's impossible to know, and Hollywood just... I do this device when I'm really angry, by the way.
	Yes, no, no, I know.
	This is when I'm like, okay, all right.
	It's fucking ridiculous.
	It's fucking ridiculous.
	It's infuriating and so profoundly stupid, but there we go.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, are we going to talk about equating Jan 6th, CIA slash or FBI, like equating the Jan, like surveilling the Jan 6th, Participants.
	We'll say participants.
	With what protests are happening, what happened to people at Standing Rock, what happened to people at Ferguson.
	Right now, the way that the law and law enforcement are combining their efforts to be weaponized against People that are actually well within the few civil liberties we are still clinging to and the rights that we have left, and they're being indicted on RICO charges, which are extremely serious in Atlanta, for having a sign showing up to a protest.
	Truly just exercising free speech.
	They're trying to give RICO charges to these people.
	And instead of The Proud Boys and, you know, the fucking Stuart Eyepatch.
	His name is escaping me right now.
	Rhodes.
	Thank you, Stuart Rhodes.
	Yeah, like, that were doing a Rico.
	Like, they were doing a Rico.
	That's, like, what they were doing.
	Some version of, like, yeah, that was a conspiracy to commit a crime.
	That's tough.
	And not just any crime.
	It was like, we're going to... Yes!
	We're going to coup!
	We're going to coup is what we're going to do.
	They wanted to coup.
	Yes!
	Yeah, yeah.
	Different.
	Yeah, maybe not a fair equivalence to make.
	Yeah.
	Now, Roseanne, this is probably going to upset you as much.
	Roseanne has some points about racism and how the Democrats are the founders of it.
	You don't...
	There, you know, a lot of comics have done stuff, but, you know, stuff about how they want us to forget how much we have in common with everyone else and just focus on that little tiny sliver of difference and be enraged over that.
	Yeah.
	But it's divide and conquer, because then all of us can lose in a big, big way and they can steal us blind.
	And then we'll be like, horizontal violence, horizontal blame.
	The one thing we've learned from mind control is to never, ever assign blame upward where it belongs.
	We never can do that.
	No.
	No.
	I think that's what the Democrat Party exists for, to keep us from doing that.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Because, you know, they're the ones that invented the KKK.
	Do you know the Republican Party was founded by Frederick Douglass?
	And the Democrats came to make the KKK because they didn't want their slaves to be free.
	And they also invented Jim Crow.
	And, you know, Kicking the black father out of the home and the prison military industrial complex is their baby, too.
	But they're really good.
	Like right now, they're blaming Trump for the border, which they did it all and they're blaming Trump for.
	They're really good at projection and blame and never fixing nothing, enriching themselves on it.
	Like the money they send to the Ukraine for their borders, it all goes into their pockets.
	The money laundering goes into their pockets.
	Taking public money off the table, putting it in private pockets.
	It's the greatest friggin' scam.
	And of course the Republicans are no better, because they're right in there with them.
	Our country is just drifters.
	It's just run by political prostitutes that we call representatives, but they don't represent none of us.
	They represent their lobby, their lobby bosses.
	And so we have to do something about it.
	That was a sandwich.
	That was a sandwich.
	Oh boy.
	All right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How did you feel about the meat?
	How did you feel about the bit in the middle?
	Well, I'd like to give credit where credit's due.
	Oh yeah, no, the meat was rotten.
	But that's the thing.
	I mean, I know that this is a dead horse we've been beating for a while, but I think it's still worth pointing out.
	The bread in the sandwich, yeah.
	Complaining about how the left eats itself, yeah.
	Valid fucking complaint.
	It needs to stop.
	We need a better mechanism.
	We need something else that works better so we can actually organize and work together.
	And at the end, yeah, the complaints that she has about our politicians, whatever, it's her own words and it's her kind of explanation, but I don't disagree with the sentiment that they aren't doing their job and they're getting paid massive amounts of money to be terrible at the one thing they're supposed to do, and they don't do it and they lie a lot.
	Now, Frederick Douglass, I'm sorry, What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, I thought you might have some feelings.
	You said!
	Let's talk about it!
	Yep!
	Yeah, so, you know, one of the things that strikes me is, you know, for a lady who likes to talk about hourglass flips, like she's neglecting to mention that for a start the makeup of the Republican and Democratic parties fundamentally changed more than once, I might add, but Very notably, on the subject of talking about Selma and all this, after 1948, you know, when Truman laid down a pro-civil rights platform, a huge swath of his party bulked and formed the Dixiecrats.
	And then, you know, everything kind of shifted.
	And then in the 60s, you know, when the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act passed under LBJ, that pretty much cemented everything reversing.
	Um, entirely exacerbated by the Republicans having developed strategies to capitalize on the racial tension and get the votes of white conservatives in the South who had traditionally voted Democrat.
	But yeah, you know, that's, um, but yeah.
	None of that Frederick Douglass?
	Where the fuck did you get that from?
	What?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I've got to find out.
	I'm making a note.
	This is my honest answer.
	Because she's not going to make that up on her own.
	Some lunatic is claiming.
	That's somebody's fucking... Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And, you know, I do also want to say, like, her kind of, her first point about kind of division and kind of wanting, you know, systems of capitalism and politics being designed around kind of separating people and playing them off against each other, like, there is something to that.
	But I think the problem, the problem is, you know, The system that she is currently feeding into in terms of the right-wing media sphere is to the extreme where she's propagating a system that forces us to live now in separate realities and is making it much, much worse.
	Yeah, she was complaining about this horizontal violence, right?
	And for those of you that weren't watching, she was doing kind of this, like, hand motion of, like, a level, right?
	And then she's like, oh, we never, we never criticize up.
	And she was pointing up, like, baby, you're the one that's on the up.
	Both of you are on the up.
	You aren't on the horizontal, like, horizontal anymore.
	You're on the up.
	Address that.
	Deal with it from there.
	It's feeding into this kind of fallacy that I think if people have... There's a motivation.
	There's a motivation in the reasoning to believe that I'm just like Russell.
	I'm just like Roseanne.
	And where they came from is one thing, but where they're coming from right now and where they...
	The class they're participating in right now and they're a part of, they have to factor that in, and they have to talk about it.
	And they're not.
	They're just ignoring it.
	They're just cutting, just excising that from their perspective and analysis and what they're saying.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, completely.
	Just completely glossing over that.
	Which, yeah, we're pretty used to from Russell, but yeah, now there are two of them.
	Great.
	So this next clip goes to a place that we have been discussing a fair bit over the last couple of months.
	Now people like now an American patriot is once again someone who does not trust and maybe even hates their government and I'm talking about West Point graduate military personnel and I feel like whoa if they're losing those people they're in some serious trouble like because you know one of the communities they've got to annihilate whether it's with fentanyl or bad food or bad tv or bad ideas is the working class majority they've got to be annihilated That you know the communities from which they draw their police forces and draw their militaries that ultimately impose their law with violence the threat of violence and the ability to kill because who's more powerful than the people that can determine who's killable and who's not killable well it seems to me that's so true that's why they're bringing in all all of these uh you know uh
	You know, migrants or whatever they're called, illegal immigrants, immigrants, whatever, these human beings is because they're they're tired of, you know, they know that the Americans aren't going to vote for them.
	The Democrats, they know that no American people will vote for them because we see so clearly that they are the establishment and they have fought all this time.
	They're just like me when I got famous.
	It's like, what the fuck do I do now?
	They were always the, you know, The anti-establishment till they were the establishment and they didn't know what the hell to do there.
	They're like, wait a minute.
	So they they just want to hold on to power.
	So that's all they care about.
	So they're bringing in these people to replace our votes is the they call it the replacement strategy.
	And it's like for the guns, the gun clingers and Bible clingers.
	I don't know what they plan to do.
	Maybe arrest us all.
	Or put us in work camps or what, like they did in every other country we've gone to and done this to.
	Every other color revolution that American CIA has backed everywhere.
	And just have them be the new police, the new army, and the new voters.
	That's what they're doing.
	Oh my.
	So, Roseanne's into the Great Replacement Theory.
	Insisting that all these pesky brown people are being brought in to replace the votes of white Americans and not just the votes but the migrants are gonna become the police and the army as well and then they're all gonna get thrown in work camps.
	Oh dear.
	Okay, that was really convoluted.
	It is very convoluted.
	It's very difficult to keep track of these two, I've got to say.
	Because it's also her own definition of like, I mean, it's just because it sounded like he was like the West Point's gonna whip him into shape or whatever.
	I don't know.
	That's okay.
	Well, then that's that's on me.
	That was...
	I've had more time to sit with this than you, so it's valid.
	I mean, yeah.
	Well, and again, at the same time, in the military you have critics and you have perpetrators.
	That's true.
	There's both.
	It's not to say that one is divorced from the other.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So Rosanne's not quite done talking about the Great Replacement Theory, and she has another problematic comparison to make.
	They're really smart, but nobody sees it yet.
	And they are so stealth in it.
	They're so stealth.
	But you know, all that stuff has just been step by step by step, because like the Nazis didn't just take over overnight, it was small steps.
	Of course it was like if you were a Jew, you had to register for a telephone.
	Telephone number.
	With small steps.
	And then you had to move downtown because Jews had a higher level of typhus.
	So you had to move downtown.
	It was these small steps.
	It was never like, okay, we're killing everybody.
	You know, they got to get your trust and get you to do these little tiny steps, you know.
	Yeah, you're right.
	And that's what they're doing here, but they don't like messy, stinky, working people that don't even know enough to, you know, like them.
	I like that.
	Thanks, Russell.
	Okay, so now comparing the Great Replacement Theory to the Holocaust.
	Good, good.
	And Russell likes it.
	Wonderful.
	Okay.
	Russell likes this, and he likes a bit more about what she said, so let's hear Russell's response.
	I like also that each of them steps appears to be necessary and rational when it's taken.
	We're simply asking you to carry a medical card to demonstrate that you've been vaccinated.
	For ecological reasons, we need you to stay within 15 minutes of your home and residency and inform us.
	Then we're only going to allow certain people to travel.
	If you've accrued enough merit and credit, then you'll be allowed to purchase airline tickets.
	And before you know it, what's required is an absolute That's right.
	They just want us dead.
	They want to experiment on us first so they can make a lot of money on cures and stuff that they do.
	But they want us all dead.
	But here's what's great.
	It's right in front of our face.
	They put it right in front of our face so we don't see it, like hiding in plain sight.
	The war on carbon.
	I mean, come on.
	We are carbon.
	Carbon's what all life is made of, all material life.
	The war on consciousness is already actually underway, I think.
	I think they may have won it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's increasingly difficult to find a way to be awakened.
	I think he's floundering.
	Yeah, he doesn't like that.
	That was a pivot.
	That was crazy.
	He knew that was crazy.
	So she's not just a one-time guest on InfoWars.
	She listens to InfoWars.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's an avid... She said, you know, the information were earlier, and I was like, but this?
	Come on.
	Well, then maybe we don't need to look so far for her sources.
	Perhaps not.
	Maybe there's one big pink screaming one.
	Drunk pink screaming source.
	Drunk pink screaming source.
	Most of the time.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, we just went from comparing COVID-19 vaccines to the Holocaust, to they want us all dead, to they're doing it in front of us, to the war on carbon.
	Well, we are carbon.
	It's a war on us.
	That's...
	Well, the they-want-us-all-dead thing?
	Yeah.
	That's like your, you know, joint rotation, like your dumbest hippiest friend is like, well, why are, okay, so let's entertain the idea.
	Okay, they, they, the government, the CIA, the cartels, the Muffin, whatever.
	Yeah.
	They, whoever the big they is, which they usually can't, like, which, yeah, right, which is, like, usually very difficult to define unless you actually know some stuff.
	And then, like, well, what do they wanna do?
	It's like, they wanna kill us, man.
	They just want us all dead.
	They just want us, like, that's the end.
	It's like, it's people that watch They Live and miss the fucking point.
	Like, no, they don't want us to, it's very different.
	They want consumers.
	They don't, like, they don't want us to be dead.
	They don't, Not caring if we live or die is very different than wanting... It's like thinking somebody doesn't like you, and they don't think about you.
	Yeah.
	It's a little bit like the venom behind, I don't have a feeling about you.
	I don't care about you.
	There's a big leap between... Hating implies that you're considered in some way.
	Malice and indifference, right?
	They're two very different things.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And that's the banality of evil is, I don't hate you.
	I don't think about you at all.
	That's a different complaint.
	But that kind of like, there's a lot of like antique, like she's got new like QAnon adjacent stuff that she's mixed in.
	And then there's these like very antique kind of like what our hippie boomer, you know, like contingent has already kind of like, they just want to like kill us all, man.
	Listen, there's a lot of documentaries about Grateful Dead fucking lots and other hippy dippy, sweet, lovely, adorable people from the 80s or whatever.
	Pre-Fish.
	When documentaries were a little more sideshow, it was like, look how stupid some of these kids are.
	It's very that.
	It's like, they're just out to get us and kill us, man.
	What would they accomplish by killing us?
	That's kind of weird.
	I was like, okay, so killing us is what?
	Soylent Green is people?
	Is that what we're going to?
	Because listen, if that's your theory, I'd love to hear it.
	But I just need to know.
	I need to not have underpants gnomes thinking.
	I need steps.
	Let's give concrete steps.
	A, B, C. Not, they kill us, question mark.
	Different.
	Not useful.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know whether it's in earnest that she believes that the war on carbon is a war on humanity, or whether she actually takes any amount of issue with CO2 emissions and coal and that kind of thing, but it has the same effect either way.
	Ignore that, everybody.
	Coal and CO2's fine.
	They're just trying to kill us all.
	Don't worry about it.
	That's the most insidious lie though with the carbon, like, carbon's actually good and clean coal and all that kind of stuff because people like Roseanne were, like, they were upset, like, I mean, she covered kind of everything, you know, and then I think that you can fall into traps when you're being a jack of all trades, I get that, but, you know, if you told her, you know, like, if you told the Roseanne I knew, That like this theory right now that she's it's a rationalization it's like people that are worried about climate change and the environment and the environmental impact of like industry and they have this rational thought and then if someone tells them actually carbon and coal are good and they just like point to periodic table end of thought
	Then that can kind of usurp and rationalize.
	It's a myopic, problematic rationalization.
	You're rationalizing, like, oh, actually, I was wrong, and carbon's good.
	And so now I don't have to worry about these things or be mad about it ever again, because anytime someone says carbon credits, you know, like pollution, they complain about it, I'll just be like, oh, well, they don't know that that's not true.
	It's actually fine.
	So you can totally negate someone's whole stance on environmentalism, even if it's decades long, which I know it is.
	And she's like, oh no, I was wrong.
	I have now been told something that perfectly aligns with my preconceived notions and is very comfortable for me to think because I'm not a bad person if I'm just like, oh, they just don't know that carbon's actually fine.
	And then they're like, okay, well then what is happening to the climate?
	Well... Question mark.
	Question mark.
	Question mark.
	Or other rationalizations that fit into it.
	Almost certainly.
	So next we have another repeated subject from the last couple of months.
	Do you think that something significant happened in 2008 and around that crash?
	Do you think that the Occupy movement was something significant?
	I know that you went down there and participated in that movement.
	Did you think that there was potential there?
	Do you think that that somehow got squandered?
	And do you think that something like that could happen again?
	I remember I went down there to see for myself that first day and the way that it occurred to me as I was there watching it.
	Because they were asking me like, what do we do?
	And I was Telling them from the 60s what we did.
	But as I was watching, I was like, this is kind of funny because the kids on the ground here and the buildings there where the stockbrokers are, it kind of looked like the kids were yelling up at their own parents.
	That's what it was Occupy Wall Street was like.
	Hey, Dad, look, you know, I I'm a prudish little fuck and fuck you, Dad.
	You're paying my rent, though, right?
	That's what I thought it was.
	And then I was like, man, then they started to want to buy debt.
	And I still love those kids, a lot of them.
	They start saying, oh, we're going to relieve debt like Joe Biden and his bullshit, forgiving the debt of the student loans.
	You know, they're like going to buy, they're going to buy and forgive student loan debt back then, too.
	And I go, What about just debt relief?
	Why don't y'all ever go there?
	And it was because their dads are stockbrokers, so they're never going to go there.
	You know what I mean?
	What a convenient rationalization.
	They're all bought in.
	Nobody who isn't for Nasara and Gasara Has any fucking clue as to what to do or what's going on.
	And that's what needs to happen.
	And it will happen.
	And it's extremely biblical.
	It's the jubilee.
	And that's what we need is a death jubilee.
	And then we can start over again, which we need to, because money is worthless.
	It don't mean anything.
	It's just paper.
	Yeah, I was not expecting that.
	Oh, we did it, guys.
	We did it!
	See?
	Yeah, 4chan, you're right!
	Yeah, that's a classic one that came up there.
	I mean, so yeah, for anyone who missed this, the Nizara-Gizara thing, in the early 2000s it was a theory promoted by Shaney Goodwin, also known as the Dove of Oneness, that all debts will be wiped out in a radical reset of the US economy.
	It's a reference to the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, NASARA, a set of U.S.
	economic reforms proposed in the 90s which included abolishing compound interest on loans, replacing income tax with the national sales tax, and returning U.S.
	currency to the gold standard.
	While the proposals were never actually introduced before Congress, conspiracy theorists like to claim that they were secretly passed by Congress and then suppressed by George W. Bush in the wake of the 9-11 attacks.
	The conspiracy theory has been gaining traction and increased popularity over the last several years, with some conspiracy theorists even defaulting payments on their mortgages in the belief that the debt has actually secretly been relieved 20 years ago and so they don't need to pay it, and then they get their house repossessed and all of that.
	It's quite tragic, really.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's very similar to what Romana Didolo is doing in Canada, the Queen of Canada.
	It's also that dove of oneness.
	That dove made some oneness out of flying all that money in her pocket.
	There's a couple of Top-notch grade-A grifters in the Nessera Jessera area, and they made out like fucking bandits, dude.
	It's crazy.
	And they just destroyed people's lives.
	That's what's crazy, especially when I learn about that stuff, is that shit is happening all around us, everywhere, all the time, and we do not realize it.
	And that's just one example.
	But there are these little grifts.
	It boggles my mind, and it is a problem that is so big.
	And also, people being isolated, also praying on someone who's elderly, someone who has some kind of vulnerability, right?
	And it's prosperity gospel.
	It is prosperity gospel.
	That's actually just what it is.
	It's that kind of...
	That's a problem.
	I do not know.
	It weighs on me all the time.
	Not like every minute of the day, but it weighs on me.
	It occurs to me that there are people that are being taken advantage of, being hosed for all they're worth.
	And probably their kids or their family or their parents or whatever.
	And they're just like two doors down from me.
	And oh my God, I wish I knew.
	I'd knock on their door and be like, can we have a chat?
	You let other psychos see your bank statement.
	Can we talk about... It's a problem that is so isolated and individualistic.
	Yeah.
	But it's happening everywhere, and I think it's overwhelming to consider that it's happening everywhere, but I think that we do need to think about it and we need to be concerned and keep your head on a swivel.
	There's a lot of things we can't fix in this world, but someone in your life That might be getting taken, someone who's having a hard time, and maybe they're very difficult to be around, and maybe they're difficult to talk to because they're kind of having their brain insulated by propaganda on the internet.
	But this is the thing that I'm like, oh my God, this is happening to real people, real lives.
	And I get that even the Nigerian Prince scams, email scams, it is an incredibly ridiculous thing, but also it worked and it happened to real people.
	It happened to people in my life.
	You know, extended.
	And oh boy, the fact that it's allowed to happen and that it happens everywhere is such a fucking problem.
	And I don't know, that's something that we can do, I think, as individuals to keep our head in a swivel and to pay attention to these kind of like dog whistly red flag things for people in our circles.
	And to just be like, oh, whoa, what?
	Why are you talking about that?
	And also, we should all talk about money more, I think, and be more transparent in general.
	Because when you don't talk about money, that's when you can be taken advantage of because you're being isolated.
	It's a whole thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	It's a big, big problem that's very real.
	The only people that better fix it are those at the top.
	Boots on the ground.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And yeah, Roseanne seems to be pretty all in on this conspiracy theory, and was just asserting that it's going to be a biblical jubilee when it comes around, you know, when it all happens.
	Well, that was how they used to handle debt.
	They used to handle... There was, and I mean, there is biblical historical precedent that that was because usury is a sin.
	So, every seven years, debt would be... I mean, there's a million different little systems and whatever.
	History, like anything, it's piecemeal, and it's Piecemeal, it's different.
	There's a lot of different ways that it happened, but essentially what was laid out is that every seven years you forgive debt.
	Because if someone still has debt for seven years, it means that they probably can't pay it that easily.
	So there is a spiritual, ethical component that was laid out a long time ago.
	And they're still humans, so maybe it wasn't the worst idea.
	We still have society and cities and, you know, Maybe, so a debt jubilee is like, you know, a jubilee is kind of like a calling in and so, but that's also like, no one's trying to do that.
	No, no.
	It's magical thinking that it's gonna happen.
	It's what she's suggesting is going to happen and is required.
	Inevitable.
	Yes, basically.
	Coupled with, you know, Occupy Wall Street didn't go far enough, and they were all just shitty privileged kids shouting at their dads.
	Oh, that was awful.
	Oh, that too.
	Oh, you guys weren't that in the 60s?
	Really?
	Yeah, I do think there is an issue with the idea of debt relief en masse, like there are problems with it because we're still in a system of capitalism, which means like the upheaval that mass debt relief would cause would be unbelievable in scale and would inevitably disproportionately fuck the poor with a sudden drastic increase in the price of literally everything, you know, inflation, fucking you name it, because that's If there was that drastic a change just kind of overnight, there would be consequences in the capitalist system, and it would be the people at the bottom who would suffer.
	Yeah, we have to address the problem.
	The thing is, the problem also isn't getting addressed either way.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so it makes sense that people gravitate toward this idea.
	And it's so easy to get people hooked.
	That's what haunts me about it, is that this is the one that financial magical thinking is...
	Sounds great.
	People are... Yeah, that's the thing.
	It's so appealing.
	There's the desperation of being underwater financially and the implications especially is like homelessness is being criminalized again.
	And Roseanne was right by increment.
	Like there are incremental changes that have happened over a long period of time that are making homelessness.
	Criminal in and of itself.
	They're doing it.
	I live around it.
	I live in it.
	That sword of Damocles is over my head.
	It's pretty close, honestly.
	It's right outside the frame.
	You can't see it.
	But when we're all dealing with that, we're all in that kind of constant mode of fear.
	That's the issue.
	But magic isn't gonna fix it.
	There's not just gonna be...
	A magic contract loophole day where, like, just someone, you know, like, Joe Biden's like, JK, debt's gone and everything's fine.
	Yeah, of course, like, systems would collapse.
	Now, could a lot of debt be forgiven and be absolutely, totally fine and nothing bad would happen?
	And we would just make an adjustment and it'd be totally cool?
	Sure.
	But, like, I mean, the fact that student loans can't be resolved in bankruptcy where, like, other debts can, obviously there's a lot of fucked up shit going on that needs to get fixed, but this is not going to fix that.
	Magic isn't gonna do it.
	No, no, no.
	At least the Occupy Wall Street movement was suggesting something rather than magic, you know?
	They suggested a lot.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But you don't have to listen to them if they're all rich kids that she thinks every Occupy child was a trust fund baby?
	Apparently.
	And that's why they're never going to suggest any big reform because it's their dads, you see?
	They don't want to dick over their dads.
	Why do we think that boomers are so spoiled?
	What on earth could make us think that?
	Maybe it's because all the stuff that they say and the stuff they do that you're telling on yourself.
	Just a little bit.
	Just a little bit.
	These kids today.
	I know, I know.
	We get Roseanne's farewell to Stay Free.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what, Roseanne?
	It seems that because you've experienced so much, because even in your early life, even prior to being touched by fame, you'd experienced a lot and suffered a lot.
	And it seems, at least to me as an observer, felt a lot of joy, but felt a lot of pain that you've Being on this roller coaster now and you've got a lot to endow us with and lots of teachers.
	I can see why you get attacked in the way that you do because what happens is when people come out of them communities, when people achieve the dream and then speak from the inside of it and tell you what it's like, it's a very powerful message.
	It nullifies a lot of their poison and it provides an inoculation to another generation and I feel that when people like you are overtly I love talking to you.
	I love it.
	I want you to come on my show because I want to ask you about what you've been through too because you've been through the mill yourself.
	about how our conversation has gone. I'm really grateful for it. Thank you, Rosanne.
	I love talking to you.
	Yeah, it's a laugh, isn't it? Well, let's have more conversations.
	I love it.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I want you to come on my show because I want to ask you about what you've been through too,
	because you've been through the mill yourself. I want to hear about how it is for you,
	after all that, to have these children you have.
	Oh my God, my babies.
	I'd love to talk to you about all of that.
	And many of our viewers are noticing that, I'm sure, I don't know where you are, I know you're in New York, but Queen Elizabeth I is behind you, that great matriarch.
	That Virgin Queen right behind you there that you are echoing almost like an American working class version of that great Virgin Queen Roseanne Barr.
	Thank you very much for allowing us into your kingdom.
	Queendom.
	Dominion.
	I don't know what's right.
	I love you.
	I love you, mate.
	Thank you.
	Thanks, Roseanne.
	Okay.
	So, Roseanne is the working class American equivalent of Queen Elizabeth I. That is good to know.
	What would that even be?
	What would that even be?
	That's a list of things that cannot coexist, that's what that is.
	Yeah, like there are so many ways to say you're the modern version of this, and very few examples that literally would not work in any form or fashion.
	There is no equivalent.
	She was such a singularly unique figure in history that she's like, there is no other version of her.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Last of the Tudors, you know, set up the East India Company.
	Catherine the Great, maybe, if you really want to squint and get a fuzzy photo from very far away, because she was a woman... It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
	I don't know.
	All right!
	We do have one more clip, and it's from the little debrief that Russell does after his interviews that I normally don't include, but I enjoyed this one.
	I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Roseanne Barr.
	You can watch Roseanne's podcast on Rumble every Thursday.
	I'm going to be going on it soon.
	She's a fantastic person.
	I can only imagine that her podcast is brilliant and in-depth.
	You know what I also like about Roseanne?
	The way that she just interrupts you like that.
	I've never had a conversation with Zoom like that ever before with anyone, where they just sort of go...
	Well yeah, I mean now I could just talk over you and like with absolute confidence.
	Me, I like, I've had signs made, I've done all sorts of things to try and get over those moments on a Zoom call where you're like, I've been trying, do you mind if I, could I, like Rosanne absolutely just blasts her way like a juggernaut into an answer and a question, even she answered several questions that simply weren't there.
	I mean, it's hard to deny she did answer several questions that were not asked because Russell
	never got round to asking the fucking things.
	[Laughter]
	Oh, dear.
	Dude.
	Russell needs to learn his fucking place.
	Straight up.
	That woman has more talent regardless of where she's at right now.
	She paid some of the gnarliest, most fucked up dues.
	She built everything on her own.
	She was taken advantage of.
	Atrocious ways.
	She was put in peril.
	There's a reason she's here.
	There's a reason that her brain is here.
	Because her experiences, regardless, I mean genuinely, like the way that she's talking about, you know, these fucking kids today or whatever, like, yeah, so does every other fucking boomer or whatever.
	Yeah.
	But she actually worked so hard for what she had, and she is kind of singular and unique.
	She isn't a success story to emulate.
	Again, maybe that's how she's like Elizabeth I, in that her success story and her experience and influence is singular.
	Maybe that is it.
	Maybe I just proved myself wrong.
	Maybe.
	And also, it's not a good analogy.
	But let's not talk about any more of the analogy, because it falls apart after you go through there.
	Maybe that's what they meant.
	Guess what?
	I didn't make the analogy, so I'm just guessing.
	Dude, yeah, wrap it up.
	Like, dude, yeah, wrap it up.
	Ask a question.
	She was right.
	That's so fucking, like, of course, we don't have, what, the only women we saw on this show, no, no, no, we had the artist, the weird flaky artist at the beginning with the bumblebees and the caution tape, and then we had Candace Owens, and there was like a yoga lady who everyone was very groovy and nice.
	Yoga lady?
	You're talking to Roseanne, dude!
	Yeah, it was like a yoga lady that had a really big reach, and she has, I mean, you know, like wellness influence.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	God, I nearly forgot about her.
	That's what we've got, right?
	Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
	The rest have been men, mostly white men.
	Yep.
	And they have, I mean, listen, they were like playing the game with him, sure.
	She does.
	Like, also what I think is so different, and I'm glad that he said that fucked up, miserable complaint of a spoiled baby boy, is the notion that, like, Like, she actually has, they've been fucked up, but she has beliefs and she has experiences.
	And so she was trying to get something practical, because she could see, like, this is fluffy.
	Yeah.
	We need to get to the meat.
	And my meat is bad, but we need to get, like, let's actually say something.
	Yeah.
	To be heard in the world that she was being nice, dude.
	She was being nice!
	Yeah, I can't tell whether it's a complaint or begrudging respect or both.
	Possibly, you know.
	I didn't get any... Maybe that's a benefit for him to couch his... To kind of mollify what he was saying, so that like, oh, maybe people can take this as respect.
	There was no fucking respect in that.
	He was frustrated because she's smarter than him, and she knows more than him, and she's better at this than him.
	And he should... That's the thing, is know your place.
	She's been doing your thing for longer.
	And we know that the thing is bad.
	We all know that this thing is bad, but she's better at it.
	It's tough because I grew up and came up in a system of seniority, and knowing your place meant you knew when to listen and learn.
	And if I were, I kept putting myself in the headspace, and maybe this is, I don't know, maybe this is not necessarily useful analysis, but it's just blowing my mind that like, if I were Russell, and if I was trying to be good at this like propaganda thing, especially not being American, You are not going to have a better person to learn from than her.
	Because they come from similar backgrounds, so her narratives are going to be useful to you.
	Her delivery is like, fucking punch it up.
	Let's go.
	Let's keep it pumping, Queen.
	Get to the fucking point.
	And know what point... Granted, she didn't... I feel like she was kind of getting tired, genuinely.
	She's old.
	I think she was kind of... I think she was petering out a little bit.
	And again, she's an old person.
	I'm not going to begrudge her Necessarily for that.
	Like, you know, I guess maybe that's just a factor to consider.
	But like, because she was more, you know, kind of like on at the beginning of the of the interview.
	Yeah.
	She seemed like she was kind of getting sleepy.
	And that's fine.
	But just like she was she was helping you out, dog.
	You you needed to take notes from the things that she was mentioning or the way she was mentioning them, because she also has a way better like just because like he's he's obviously targeting Americans.
	So learn from this American person and how they do it.
	Assimilate.
	And you can steal it.
	Listen, be a privileged white guy.
	Steal all her ideas.
	What's she gonna do?
	She's inviting him into her space.
	Like, hey, let's work on this.
	I mean, it takes any amount of respect or care or empathy to want to learn from someone and give them the space.
	It is fucking wild that that's the thing that he said into a microphone, recorded, and put on his fucking show.
	That, to me, is outrageous.
	I'm insulted.
	That's fucked up.
	She's Roseanne.
	Yeah.
	You were on Get Him to the Greek, dude.
	She changed our country.
	She changed our culture, and however you feel about it.
	Doesn't matter.
	It doesn't, like, it still happened.
	She made a show that owns the crochet, like, we all recognize the blanket on the back of the Connors sofa.
	Russell, sorry, you're a bad version of a bunch of people that are better than you.
	You could learn.
	She's still, that's what is so hard.
	She's still Roseanne.
	Nah.
	She had a hand in raising me, because she wasn't just an acting person.
	She wasn't just acting.
	She was writing, and she was involved, and she stood behind the choices that the show made.
	Yeah, obviously, you know, I have not had the same experience with Roseanne in the slightest way, because it just wasn't a thing over here.
	You know, just didn't exist.
	It shouldn't be relatable to you.
	It's profoundly American!
	Yeah, it's completely not.
	But the experience that I have kind of heard conveyed from other people seems to be very similar to kind of, you know, your much beloved grandparent going a little bit nuts and going down the Trump train and that kind of thing.
	Yeah, having a collective of people experience that around one person is an interesting phenomenon to watch from the outside.
	I feel like we could probably talk about it more.
	Maybe that'll be off-brand as talking about it some more, because there is so much.
	She was ever-present, and that show was ever-present.
	I mean it's there's only so many TV shows that and also I feel like another concept that kind of like I think that these these types of people as in like Russell and Roseanne and and and Tucker Carlson like These kind of maybe they're not on the top of their game anymore, but they still want to be.
	And maybe they were on a much higher tier previously in their careers.
	We had a monoculture for a very brief period.
	And I feel like the height of the monoculture being like Roseanne Seinfeld, The Tonight Show, those kind of moments.
	It's crazy to think about that we did for a brief period have This, like, monoculture moment.
	And it was, like, if you were in, you were in.
	Yeah.
	They didn't have to fight for, like, they didn't have to fight for, I mean, to get where she was.
	Obviously, it was a huge struggle, and it was a lot of work, and it was very difficult.
	But then once you kind of got your place, then you were a celebrity.
	And you knew why it was it was a much smaller pool of celebrities you didn't have like a raft of teenagers on youtube i've never heard of that you know like that have a blue check and i'm like okay great you know it's there wasn't that they didn't have to compete in such a wide pool of like meals i didn't have to like.
	Mind their fucking P's and Q's so much.
	Because especially in the 90s, the comedy, which we've talked about this before, is the comedy, I think, of a time of an era.
	It was like Dave Chappelle, same thing.
	It's like you're doing something that you're being edgy to bring attention to an issue, like a social issue.
	And that is how I was Awakened to a lot of issues through the show, and we would talk about it.
	As kids, it was also a favorite show.
	And it was something that they talked about racism.
	Dan had a black friend.
	There was the black friend episode.
	DJ was scolded for treating a black classmate differently, but that was a whole other – and then there was also a parent overreaction.
	In that episode, there were all these things that were wildly outside of the box.
	For the common cultural conversation at the time.
	It was fucking edgy.
	It was serious.
	And I mean, it's crazy.
	And also the way that she was treated.
	If you think someone who can write a book and should, if their brain weren't where it is, on how misogyny has affected her life, how of all fucking people Russell's gonna bitch about her interrupting him saying nothing Yeah.
	He was saying nothing, and she identified that moment.
	And the thing is, is like... And I think this is confusing for people that like... I obviously talk a lot.
	I can talk.
	And there's a motive, I think, that isn't just...
	Or an instinct that is not just about, like, it's not just about overtalk, and it's not just about interrupting.
	I think that partially, like, if you kind of got a neurodivergent ADD brain, interrupting is part of, like, you know that the thought's going to go away, and it's something that we have to manage, right?
	And why I've gotten really good at picking up a thread.
	I'm a million years better at it than I was before, you know, like when we started, because I've had to practice.
	And I'm still like, it's always a struggle.
	And, you know, so like, that kind of like overtalk is like, is an impulse that you have to manage.
	It's also like, Being able to organize your thoughts and talk with somebody else.
	But also, I noticed that whenever my introverted friends, their batteries are running low, some of whom I get to see at these events, and I'm like, I'm identifying, you're feeling overwhelmed, so I'm going to fill the space until you want to hop in.
	I'm going to fill that space up, and we're going to talk.
	I think for, like, that's just like, to me, a kindness that can look shitty on the outside for a regular person.
	Especially for an entertainer, like someone, because they're both entertainers first.
	Yeah.
	That's their top line.
	That's what they are on their resume, is they're entertainers.
	So she's trying to punch it up in the moment.
	She's like, no, no, no, let's move this along and make something useful out of it.
	You are on a tangent.
	There's plenty of times.
	And you've done it for me.
	I'm trying to find a thought.
	And I'm like, it's there, where did it go?
	And then you're like, this is the word you're looking for.
	I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.
	And to be only offended and perturbed by it without seeing that she was throwing you a bone, dude.
	For someone that genuinely has been an entertainer her entire life, in some form or fashion, before Russell was born, Like her impulses and I found this with other people you know that entertain and like the pace of a conversation entertain or they talk for a living or they talk for the majority of the living.
	There's like a pace to it that also appeals to Americans and like there's lessons to be learned by Russell.
	For how to appeal to Americans because we know that's what he's doing even if he's not saying it there's a lot of like UK stuff that doesn't resonate with me that you have to clarify so that's that's that's part of the like if it were me And I've been in this position professionally before.
	There's a time to pipe up.
	There's some stuff that's not useful anymore.
	Because an old guy's telling you something, and you're like, well, in the 80s?
	We could talk about business cards if it wasn't 2024, but we're not going to talk about business cards anymore.
	I'm fascinated by your business card stories, but I'm not going to.
	That's enough.
	We can throw that away.
	But then there's nuggets of value that Russell could be taking.
	And we see Russell take nuggets of value for men on the show.
	I'm very interested to see if he places the same value on what Roseanne has to say.
	Because again, we don't really place value on all the stuff that's said.
	I'm not saying that it is valuable to us.
	Oh, no.
	No, no.
	Al Me listeners.
	But for what Russell's doing, there's a lot of value that he could take from her, because she's still quippy and she can talk.
	And that's all they're really doing.
	That's all they're selling is talking.
	So learn from your elder.
	Take a step.
	Learn from your elder, because that's what you do with Tucker.
	That's what you do with other men.
	But do you not see the same value?
	With Roseanne?
	Yeah.
	And maybe those guys that let you just prattle on, they'll let you walk around with your fly down.
	They're not going to tell you a booger's hanging out of your nose.
	She's trying to let you know.
	X, Y, Z, examine your zipper.
	You got a little something hanging out of your nose.
	Do you want to turn around?
	I got a compact.
	Let me help you.
	And he's like, how dare you?
	How dare you call me a booger person?
	It's not...
	Yep.
	Not listening to what's there, you know?
	Yeah, we may have just seen some misogyny in action.
	Russell misogyny?
	No, surely not.
	Yeah, and I bet they want to talk about their kids.
	I bet.
	Because that's endearing.
	That's what she's good at, is endearing people with real stories.
	That's literally the show.
	Is packaging difficult?
	Difficult subjects in a relatable and appealing, entertaining, digestible way.
	Yeah.
	That's literally the thing she's been the best at.
	Yeah.
	Of all people.
	Yeah, yeah, and yet here we are.
	Right.
	Well, that was Roseanne on the show.
	That was a journey.
	I don't have a chicken shirt.
	I wish I would have known.
	I would have worn a chicken shirt.
	I never got one.
	I think I borrowed one for, yeah, like we were, you know, this one sucks.
	Yeah.
	And it has sucked.
	It has sucked the whole time.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	This has sucked to watch this happen.
	At least you will always have the show that will still always be there, you know?
	Yeah!
	And that will still always be good.
	Yeah, and it didn't have to happen like this.
	John Goodman's on The Righteous Gemstones now.
	Yeah, I love John Goodman.
	Slaying.
	Love John Goodman.
	Killing it.
	One of my favorite acts.
	So she didn't have to be here.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	Oh dear.
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