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April 17, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #52 - Dr Joseph Ladapo

The Surgeon General of Florida came on Stay Free to sell his book, disparage vaccines, and promote, of all things, energy healing. Oh dear. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - getsomerealactualgoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
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	I'm Lauren B., and I have no idea what we'll be getting in today, but it's usually pretty bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	I'm wearing it right now.
	Oh!
	Oh!
	For those of you that are listening only and cannot see the vidya, I got some, so actually Mike and I were gifted some handmade, gorgeous, like really beautifully knitted, like, oh, Lord tried this, can't do it.
	From Monica, our mod, over on Reddit.
	Stunned.
	Stunning.
	Gorgeous.
	Wow.
	You look amazing.
	I even switched up my headphones today so that I could wear them.
	I know that I think one was supposed to be for me, one was supposed to be for Mike as far as like the color scheme goes.
	And I'm glad we share.
	I like them both.
	I like them both a lot.
	And so yeah, it's just like really, really cool and really wonderful and so kind.
	No, that was really wonderful.
	And so, yeah, really, really great and sweet and lovely and wonderful.
	And our listeners are fantastic.
	And, you know, especially this one in particular.
	No arguments here.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's amazing.
	Thank you so much, Monica.
	And I know she has asked for my address as well.
	So I mean, if I mean, those look incredible as well.
	Truly, truly.
	I love this color.
	I love it.
	I like, I like both.
	Yeah.
	Again.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The purple and sparkly.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	It's harvest colors.
	We've got harvest colors for the listeners.
	We've got a harvest color melange, stripey melange with different knit.
	It's impressive on a skill level.
	I'm sure that they're blushing right now.
	Suck it up, fuzzball.
	You're getting complimented.
	Then we got a little sparkle in the purple.
	I love the purple.
	That's lovely.
	Isn't it nice?
	Wow.
	So what's your good thing?
	My good thing is, um, well, I mentioned to you before that, you know, I've had a bit of a cold this last week, so I've been trying to do a little bit of resting, um, you know, and it just hit me like a fucking freight train at the end of last week, and ugh, great.
	But one thing I have been enjoying while I've been resting is the new Fallout TV show on Amazon.
	I've heard of that.
	I've heard about this.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's gotten a lot of critical acclaim and with good reason.
	It's fantastic.
	And it helps that the Fallout games, it's one of my favorite game series.
	It's post-apocalyptic, but also very satirical.
	And so there's a lot of darkness and bleak stuff, but it's also very funny and very kind of politically pointed and that kind of thing as well.
	And yeah, they just absolutely nailed it from top to bottom in that show.
	I'm so happy.
	That's rad!
	Yeah, yeah, it's great.
	Especially as like, you know, video game shows and movies historically don't do, you know, they're not great.
	That's usually what happens.
	We've come a long way from Spawn, I think.
	Yes, and Street Fighter, you know.
	Though Raoul Hulia as M. Bison was fantastic, but that was the only good thing about that movie, I think it's fair to say.
	I feel like the internet has long since agreed, yeah.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, I'm so pleased.
	And that's the second, you know, because The Last of Us TV show, that's another one of my favorite game series that is also post-apocalyptic.
	The bar is high!
	Yeah!
	The bar is high and I'm here for that.
	I'm here for it.
	Absolutely nailed it.
	I'm so, so thrilled.
	Everyone should go and watch it.
	It's really good fun.
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	Consequently, we've had some reviews panning the show lately, particularly after Charlie Kirk and after Russell and the Great Replacement Theory.
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	It's very helpful to the show.
	I am considering, instead of naming people with their actual name, just using anagrams of their names in future, which could be both fun for me and a good little puzzle for the audience before we get into the reveal.
	Okay.
	No.
	I'm going to say no.
	We can just say the date.
	Hear me out!
	Tucker Carlson, for instance.
	Tucker Carlson could be Acorn Truckles, or Cronus Tackler, or my personal favorite, Carl Cochranerts, which I love.
	I spent a good ten minutes giggling at that name.
	I bet you did.
	Girl, I bet you did.
	Um, yeah, well, so at least then no one in the algorithm will find no one instead of just people that are going to be upset with us.
	I mean, I feel like the feedback that is really particularly Enthusiastic?
	It's kind of obvious that it's like, oh, you didn't listen to it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Pretty much.
	But yeah.
	So many valid criticisms to choose from.
	And I'd love to hear the counterpoint.
	It's a thoughtfully considered counterpoint.
	But I'm not going to laugh.
	No.
	But yeah, internally from now on I may still be referring to Tucker Carlson as Carl Cochranert.
	Okay.
	But that's just for me.
	Sure.
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	Yes, yes, exactly.
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	It was a fun and, well, slightly bleak conversation, but mostly fun!
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	Now then, last week, Russell put out a second interview that he had done.
	Um, and it is with someone requiring our attention for a number of reasons.
	Um, I will let Russell introduce them, and normally I would cut the introduction clip fairly short, but in this case I'm gonna let the full thing play because we need something of a reminder of just how bamboozling the opening of this man's show can be.
	Hello there you Awakening Wanderers.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand with Surgeon General of Florida, Dr. Joseph Latipo.
	You are going to love this conversation because it's going to arm you with sweet, sweet freedom and help you understand what a good public official looks like versus a bad one.
	Let me know in the chat who you think a bad one is.
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	You could have joined us for this conversation with Dr. Latipo and plus you will be part of a powerful movement.
	Now Dr. Joseph Latipo, author of Transcend Fear, was the and is the Surgeon General of Florida.
	His book Transcend Fear describes his views on public health restrictions, Early home treatment and COVID-19 vaccines along with how Florida officials made public health decisions that set Florida apart from other states.
	But did they go far enough?
	And was it successful?
	We spoke about a variety of subjects and you are gonna love hearing about them.
	You would have seen it a week earlier if you were in Awake and Wonder on Locals.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, You're going to be here with us for about 15 minutes and you've got to suck up on them words as if it were the sweet titty milk of a wolf and you were Romulus or maybe Remus.
	As you know, only one twin can survive.
	Now, get ready for the conversation with Dr. Ladipo, who shows you what a public official should look like.
	Honest, authentic, open minded, exciting and illuminating.
	Remember, YouTube will only be with you for a minute.
	Why?
	Because we live in the sweet stream of freedom.
	So you'll have to click the link eventually.
	Here's the conversation.
	Wow.
	Tight reference for, like, what a dumb guy thinks a smart guy sounds like.
	Right?
	Oh dear, yeah.
	We all know this guy is a lot, but I do think sometimes a reminder is helpful.
	Anyway, Dr. Joseph Latipow, Surgeon General of Florida, is on the show.
	My guess is you might have an awareness of this guy already somewhere.
	I can't place name to crisis.
	I don't have a good background on this one, yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	Hey, that's fun.
	Okay, so Joseph Latipo has... Fun for me.
	Joseph Latipo has in many ways been the right-hand man of Ron DeSantis since 2021, affirming the anti-vax, anti-lockdown, and anti-trans ideologies using pseudoscience and quackery.
	Okay, wait.
	No, he has rings and bells.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	On sexual orientation, he said, "I personally think those are moral issues and there's only one position on those."
	So, great.
	Okay, wait. No, he has rings and bells. Okay, okay, okay.
	Alright.
	Uh-huh.
	Now here's how he got the job of Surgeon General.
	So the last guy, before Latipo, in a press conference stated that prolonged mitigation measures against COVID-19 would be needed.
	He was then immediately removed from the press conference in which he said it.
	And let me guess, this guy won like a drive-time radio contest.
	Might as well have been.
	Might as well have been.
	The last guy, the contract was not renewed, shall we say, so DeSantis needed someone who agreed with his views.
	Ladipo had been writing a bunch of op-eds for the Wall Street Journal promoting anti-vax, anti-mask, isn't ivermectin great sorts of arguments from his tenured position at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.
	That then caught the notice of Ron DeSantis and they hired Ladipo to move over with his family from California to become the Surgeon General of Florida.
	Interestingly, he also has a position at the University of Florida, which has caused some controversy because he's collecting a salary from both jobs and doesn't appear to be doing almost any of the work he was hired to do at the University of Florida.
	What?! !
	What isn't money laundering?
	What isn't money laundering?
	Point me to an industry that isn't money laundering now.
	Again, I'm not going to hold my breath.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god.
	Within his first year of working there, he reported having been to the campus twice.
	Not bad for a $262,000 salary.
	not bad for a $262,000 salary.
	Fuck.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Which when combined with the Surgeon General's salary, puts him on a cool half million a
	year.
	Um, you know.
	Okay, and I know this isn't related, but anyone that's in the – it is related, though.
	Oh my god.
	Because I feel like – okay, we did have a lot of these conversations kind of over the weekend, because Mike had an art show that was up at a university in Michigan, and it was great, and it was cool, and everybody was awesome.
	The power went out Due to wind damage, which was something.
	But also, the challenges – and I brought this up, I think it was an off-brand – but the challenges that are facing the educators That do a job?
	And the quote-unquote, you know, like, the crisis of, like, not being able to pay people?
	I'm not buying it.
	I'm not buying that you can't compensate and then tenure, like, professors and, like, A tenure's not even protecting professors anymore?
	What can we do?
	Yeah, and there's also, he was supposed to bring with him $600,000 worth of funding from the NIH for a study he was supposed to be doing, and that hasn't materialized either, which is causing controversy.
	In fact, he's directly responsible for a study where he's the sole person with $600,000, and then there's another one where he's one of three people with another $600,000.
	Okay so we're also implicating fucking foundations here.
	I didn't know that a person could do that.
	I thought you had to be a company to promise a bunch of bullshit and get a bunch of tax breaks and concessions from like a city.
	And then not deliver.
	I didn't know one human could do that.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah, apparently he can.
	And when he was quizzed by leadership at the University of Florida, he said, well, I've edited a couple of studies and I've been finishing my book.
	So I went, oh, great.
	That's your defense, is it?
	Okay.
	What is it like to be able to be so bad at your job and still get paid?
	What is that even about?
	Yeah, I've never been able to conceptualize that personally, you know, one of the I don't know
	I feel like you're the same as me in this regard But I always had it instilled to me that whatever i'm doing
	I should try and do a good job, you know Well, it's beyond being instilled
	I don't have a choice.
	I make stuff and then sell it.
	And if it sucks, no one buys it.
	And it can suck for a lot of reasons that I kind of have to guess at and take a lot of critique on board, a massive amount.
	I don't get a choice.
	I have to do what the people want.
	And it has to be good or I won't get paid.
	Yeah.
	It's very direct.
	I'm sure when you were tattooing it had to be good as well, because that has a whole other ream of consequences, you know?
	That's on someone for life.
	Oh yeah, like healthy, and also you can see me doing it, unless, I mean, it's right there.
	I don't get to, you know, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
	I cannot understand it.
	Now, yeah, as mentioned, Ladipo has written a book and it's called Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
	To give you an indication, it's got a foreword by RFK Jr.
	and an afterword by Gavin DeBecca, because Ladipo felt it necessary to bookend the thing with bullshit, apparently.
	I have read it, cover to cover, and I've got to say, as a sort of half-memoir, half-anti-medicine screed, it's not badly written.
	If Ladipo wrote it himself, which might be optimistic, the prose is not bad.
	Unfortunately, everything else about it is terrible.
	Even down to the cover, which just features an image of blue water and some bold word art style text over the top.
	That sounds like a book cover.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	Like, it's a book cover.
	There's a lot of ugly book covers out here.
	Yes, yeah.
	Well, I'm saying like, man, these people just should pay an artist, for God's sake.
	Mostly, it tells the story of how Latipo came to be an anti-vaxxer.
	And he doesn't have anything particularly original to say on that topic.
	His references are full of quackery and nonsense, disproven or retracted studies, and treaties on the rights of the individual that he holds so sacred.
	In fact, Latipo isn't exactly known for his honesty on the issue of vaccines.
	In April 2023, Politico reported on the fact that Latipo edited a state-funded study on the risks of the COVID-19 vaccine.
	The altered study reports that the mRNA vaccination may be driving the increased risk in males, especially among males aged 18 to 39, and that the risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.
	What's the risk, though?
	The risk is what?
	The risk of, as you said, increase the risk to that age group.
	The risk of what?
	Yeah, the risks of dangers to your health and to contracting COVID-19 as well.
	We'll get into that point a little bit later.
	Latipo's statements do stand in contrast to guidance from the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics.
	And because his assertions were so out of line with scientific consensus, many prominent researchers criticized his changes.
	So, for instance, Daniel Salmon, the director of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, noted that Ladepeau, quote, took out stuff that didn't support his position, unquote, a move he called troubling.
	Hard agree.
	Yes, that is troubling.
	That is a troubling thing to be doing for a public official.
	Okay.
	Researcher.
	Yeah.
	If you do research wrong.
	Dwight, you shouldn't be paid by, like, you shouldn't be paid buckets and buckets of money.
	Oh, to also not do that job.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So let's get into the interview and it opens with a bramble of a question from Russell.
	Welcome to the show, Dr. Latipo.
	Thank you so much for joining us today.
	Thanks for inviting me, Russell.
	It's lovely to meet you directly, if not in person, because during the pandemic period I remember feeling, as I'm sure many people did, that yours was a sane and trustworthy voice during a period where people were losing a great deal of faith in public officials.
	We spend a lot of time on this channel talking about Dr Anthony Fauci as the epitome of this phenomenon, someone that was heralded and held up As the face of the reliable bureaucracies of America, but over time has come to be seen as a figure of, and again I'll be careful here because we're still for the first 15 minutes streaming on mobile platforms, including YouTube, where we face considerable censorship, has come to be seen as someone whose involvement historically in complex research, the way that he's received royalties,
	A potential direct involvement in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and their projects have all meant that the trust in him as an individual and public health more broadly has waned significantly.
	You've written a new book, Transcend Fear, a blueprint for mindful leadership in public health.
	Would it be fair to say that you might be a new epitome for public health in America?
	And Dr. Anthony Fauci has taught us many lessons.
	If that analysis is true, could you tell us what the lessons we could learn from the figure of Anthony Fauci?
	Jeez.
	Yeah.
	Where do you start, Russell?
	I agree with everything you said.
	Maybe lesson number one is to really examine the deliverer of your information.
	Now that is a sentiment I agree with, if only he meant it honestly.
	For instance, if I examine the two deliverers of information on this here show we're dissecting, we have two people who lie for money, one of which who spouts bigotries against trans and gay people, and the other is a credibly accused sex offender.
	Now I don't know about you, Lauren, but to me that sounds like maybe not the best place to be getting your information from, you know?
	I wish that was a less rare formula behind the scenes.
	I'm almost like, wait, do we have some that aren't?
	I don't know.
	Okay, yeah.
	Wow.
	Right.
	Great.
	Cool.
	This is gonna be something.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	The stuff about Fauci is all stuff we've already debunked on the show, and it's a bunch of nonsense, only this time coupled with the concept that maybe Latipo here is the anti-Fauci, the new epitome for public health in America, as Russell puts it.
	I'm sure that's something not to be concerned about at all.
	Do we need that?
	Do we need one person?
	Like, that's not... What?
	Okay.
	Jesus Christ.
	Apparently.
	We're really out on a limb already, Tite.
	Okay.
	Sick.
	Let's party.
	Let's do it.
	Okay.
	And any guesses as to where Ladipo might land on the subject of Anthony Fauci?
	Hates him?
	Wants him strung up in the town square?
	Reasonable things to think.
	Yeah.
	Let's find out.
	You know, I think a lot of people early on just completely were snowed by Dr. Fauci, but there were a few voices that could see him for who he is.
	And who he is, is a dishonest, self-serving, political animal who happens to have scientific training.
	Political animal.
	And we saw him, he misled people in so many ways.
	I mean, the whole mask thing was just epic.
	You know, I still, he was sitting in that 60 Minutes interview saying, no one really needs to wear one, which actually was consistent with the science.
	No, it wasn't.
	And then he flipped the script and we were up to maybe two or three masks, I think, by the time the pandemic was actually starting to cool down.
	So, you know, you got to look at the sources of information and really feel whether they resonate with you in terms of your connection with what feels true.
	Clearly, I don't have anything against him, actually, but you can look at him.
	He's obviously a very dishonest, untrustworthy person.
	Does it feel true?
	That's what you need to be asking.
	Does it feel true?
	Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
	For those of you listening and you can't see that Dr. Latipo is a black man, and I would think, I would hope that saying that someone just looks untrustworthy on their appearance Maybe think, like have a little, just give, would that give you pause to say?
	It would give me pause to say.
	And I hate to speak out of turn.
	That's just, I'm a little, there's a lot in that statement.
	Like he said a lot, but like that's a whole, bud, what are we doing?
	I would say the distinction there is that you are a pretty responsible communicator, and Ladapovia doesn't seem to have that.
	I try so hard!
	Like every sentence that comes out of my fucking mouth!
	It's not hyperbole, I know, oh my god, I know that I can be dramatic.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot, and I know we're going to get into it, because again, he said a thing that was true.
	It's like, oh yeah, that whole mask thing, and Anthony Fauci saying, like the CDC deciding to lie!
	Well, let me get into that.
	We're still dealing with the repercussions of that, which is fucking, like, it's, it's, I'm, it's, okay, yep, yeah, let's get into it.
	Yeah, so, so, firstly, Latipo is not a fan of old Fauci.
	How strange an opinion in this mediasphere.
	So, obviously, no one has ever suggested wearing two or three masks, that's never been the advice, and that shouldn't be a necessity.
	Yeah, it was!
	Yes, it was!
	Here!
	Where?
	To double up on masks.
	Where?
	I could not find that.
	I could not find that.
	Out!
	No!
	Ah, where?
	Out everywhere.
	Yeah, because people were just wearing fabric masks or they weren't using, like they were, um, The masks that we had weren't doing the trick because the fabric, for lack of a better word, the membrane, because the COVID is so small.
	That was part of why they're saying that they don't work.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, that's something that we... Yeah, that was...
	Yeah, especially during the protests and everything, people saying like, hey, you should mask up responsibly.
	Because we also didn't have access because of the production issues.
	The reason that they lied, because there weren't enough things, there wasn't enough PPE.
	So doubling up, we're talking about During COVID, the Swiss cheese model of putting a bunch of barriers in place to make one whole barrier for COVID, you know, like social distancing and masks and vaccines and HEPA filters and air quality.
	That's the Swiss cheese, but then also the actual physical Swiss cheese of, like, well, one mask is not doing it, so two might give you a better shot, especially if you're, like, layering a fabric on top that might fit better over, like, one of those crappy kind of, like, handout for free now at a store, like, surgical masks.
	So it's at least giving people a shot.
	Yeah, that was everywhere here.
	Interesting.
	Okay, so there are two things that are interesting about that.
	One is that I couldn't find that information.
	And two is that that was not a thing that happened over here at all.
	So there's a cultural difference there as well.
	And I mean, one would wonder, maybe people were masking up more responsibly here, or maybe just the advice was worse here.
	There were more consequences.
	I think both are very possible.
	There were actual, like, consequences to breaking the rules there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Legal consequences, and fines, and that kind of thing.
	Yeah, enforceable consequences, and that was not the case.
	I mean, it was certainly...
	It depends on who you ask.
	Yeah, that was like, a thing.
	As for the 60 Minutes interview, so it's a little old hat at this point, but the interview was from March 8th, 2020, when we didn't have a clue what we were dealing with, because COVID-19 was only declared a pandemic by the WHO on March 11th.
	Um, so this is three days before that had even occurred, and then Trump declared it a national emergency on March 13th, and stay-at-home orders started on March 19th with California leading the charge, and guidance on the issue of wearing a mask changed in early April 2020 when it became clear that, hey, this is probably effective.
	So yeah, I don't think it's necessarily fair to hold this interview to the standard of having all the information when they very clearly didn't.
	I mean the messaging, that's the thing.
	I was making masks, like I was sewing masks at the time, because I have the ability to sew stuff.
	And I've also, you know, just because of I mean, tattooing, you kind of have to learn, like, that just because you can't see germs doesn't mean they're not there.
	That's part of, like, maintaining your professional license is bloodborne pathogen training.
	And no, it's not fucking rocket science.
	And even when I was looking at, like, I, you know, Mike and I can figure a thing out.
	And he was still, like, it was a lockdown order, so he was home.
	So we're both, like, Googling like crazy, like, why are they saying masks don't work?
	This is crazy.
	What the... And also getting, like...
	Yeah, I was getting it from all sides and like, okay, a bunch of this stuff doesn't make sense, but I'm also not trying to think I know more than the CDC and then it turns out that they weren't just lying.
	And they're like, we weren't lying.
	It was a premature fib.
	Like, no, no, no.
	Just say that you fucked up, and then everyone that is confused will at least know, like, oh, okay, you fucked up, and now, but, like, they're still gonna make, it's like, like, Joe Biden having to, like, you know, couch his kind of, like, statements or actions for the sake of, like, not alienating Republicans.
	They're already calling you a socialist.
	Like, they're gonna say it anyway.
	You might as well just do the right thing.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, Fauci- It was such a shitty time.
	It was such a shitty time.
	It was irresponsible.
	It was irresponsible what he said, and he should have just come out and been like, yeah, fucked up everybody.
	Sorry.
	Happens.
	You know, that was irresponsible of me.
	I'll do better.
	You know?
	Because the run on PB happened anyway, also.
	It also didn't prevent the thing they were trying to avoid.
	It just made this.
	What a terrible idea.
	What a fucking terrible idea.
	Okay, obviously I'm upset because I like lived in it.
	I'm like on mutual aid groups trying to figure out which mask, like, oh my god.
	It was a really fucking shitty time.
	Rightly so.
	You are correct to be upset about the issue.
	So from here, Russell has a question about people using their own judgment to appraise public health messaging.
	It sounds good.
	What you said there about trusting your own instincts and intuition when it comes to appraising, personally appraising public information, that in itself has become quite controversial in your country.
	It seems that we are more and more inclined towards, certainly in terms of legislation, legitimising the state as a kind of uber-parent to us all, determining which information we
	should even have access to. There seems to be some fear and loathing of ordinary Americans, beyond
	the fear and loathing I might offer, a kind of contempt, a sense that we, and I mean the people
	of the world here because I'm plainly not American, are not capable of ourselves
	looking at some data on, for example, vitamin D or other proposed measures.
	And of course, we're going to get into discussing the vaccine later and make it a choice for our family.
	There was an appetite for authoritarianism.
	There was an appetite for mandate.
	Sometimes mandate was executed, blessedly, not as much as I get the sense the state would have liked to have mandated it.
	So this idea that we are actually, as individuals, as communities and as families, able to, for ourselves, as sovereign, determine what our medical and indeed cultural choices are to be, seems to be something that's under threat.
	Does that seem like a fair assessment to you, Doctor?
	Oh, it's more than fair.
	I mean, it's fact.
	And you're absolutely right.
	I know that's something, a theme that you've talked about, and I'm really appreciative of you talking about it because there are, I think there are a lot of people out there who they can sense that there's something wrong, but they're not sure You know, what exactly is wrong?
	And when you hear a voice like yours that is laying it out very clearly, because no doubt, absolutely, bet your life, that's what we're up against, right?
	It's literally, it's the individual.
	It's the individual sovereignty.
	It's the individual and the power of the individual with his or her relationship with God and the universe and everything that is out there that makes us special and perfect.
	Versus these people and these forces that want to uphold institutions above the individual.
	I mean, the individual means really almost nothing to them.
	The individual is a means to an end.
	The institution and their conception of what the world should be and ought to be is all that matters to them.
	So that is absolutely, positively what we're up against.
	He said it out loud.
	He said the thing.
	He's like, people that don't know but have an inkling that something's wrong and you are ready with definitive information.
	Great job.
	Sit grift.
	Game respects game.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And as Sir Russell's saying, you know, they think we're not equipped.
	To, you know, look at a study on vitamin D or whatever.
	It's because you're not!
	You're not.
	It's been proven that you're not.
	It's been, like, even just with a Google search.
	I can't remember the exact figure, but this came up on a recent Serious Inquiries Only episode where there was a study showing that, like, 70% of people who use Google to find out information end up just searching for things that will confirm their own biases rather than actually finding out the truth.
	So I'm like, well, if I can't trust you to use Google, do you think you are trustworthy enough to be able to understand very complicated, difficult science?
	I don't understand most of it.
	It's very complicated.
	Yeah.
	And to remember...
	And we cannot forget that Google is an ad selling machine.
	That's what it's intended to do.
	That is how they're like, we're gonna support ourselves by selling ads.
	And this, we're at this extreme point where clickbait and yeah, just clickbait and salacious news and the do your, we're at this like, High peak of do your own research.
	So not only is it difficult for the person that doesn't necessarily have the tools to research in a way that is not biased, because it isn't very often an unconscious bias, that like, not only that, the machine is meant to be satisfying.
	That's what the machine is meant to do, is to satisfy you with information.
	Absolutely, and then when you're being told what to Google by the likes of RFK Jr., for instance, who tells you specific phrases that lead back to his own website, like, well, yeah, of course, that's what's going to happen.
	Oh, my lord.
	SEO champion.
	Grand champion.
	SEO.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So, to the broader point, individual sovereignty is perfectly fine.
	It's by and large a positive thing, right?
	The freedom to make our own decisions, to lead our own lives.
	It's a wonderful thing, up until the point where your individual sovereignty and choices infringe upon someone else's individual sovereignty.
	So as a for instance, right, you get COVID-19.
	So you catch it, it's not too bad for you personally, maybe a bit of a cough, you're one of the lucky ones.
	So you go about your business, you go to work, get your groceries, see your friends, all the stuff you'd usually do, and you don't wear a mask because you don't want to, and it's your right not to.
	And then you happen to cough near someone, indoors perhaps.
	That someone is maybe immunocompromised and can't get a vaccine.
	They can't be vaccinated.
	That someone then gets COVID-19 from you, from that little itty bitty cough you just did, and then it kills them.
	That is how that works.
	What he's describing isn't us lot being authoritarians and demanding sovereignty.
	Or cripples them forever.
	You know, it doesn't have to just be killing them.
	Like, it could be a million problems.
	Long COVID, there's so many issues.
	I feel like focusing on the death rates is like, yeah, it's also really bad, but it almost makes it less personal, you know?
	And I think that we're dealing with this situation that's like, yeah, over a million.
	I can't even conceive of that.
	And so it's so hard to, like, make it tangible.
	But like, yeah, people in your community have been permanently disabled because of a lack of oxygen through their breathing parts.
	Like, you know, over a long period, like enough damage keeps you from getting what you need for your, like, brain and body to function properly.
	And then it's permanently damaged.
	There can be drastic health effects just from having gotten it, you know, even if you survive.
	Right.
	But nonetheless, you know, Him saying that, Latipo saying, you know, that we're all authoritarians and demanding sovereignty of the institution over individual sovereignty.
	That's not the case.
	It's we're putting the right for everyone not to die or be seriously ill over individual sovereignty, right?
	I believe that that immunocompromised person in that example deserves to live and have as healthy a life as we do and so I am vaccinated.
	I wear a mask where applicable and I am considerate of the welfare of other human beings.
	And it's not virtue signalling, it's not propaganda, it's basic human fucking decency.
	And I say this, you know, well, I haven't checked the stats in a while, but as you mentioned, the death toll from COVID-19 in the United States sits at over 1.1 million people.
	95,000 of those are from Florida alone, the place that this man presides over as the public health official in charge.
	That's heading towards 10% of all COVID deaths in the US from this man's state.
	But I don't know, let's pay tribute to the individual sovereignty of the Floridians or those who are left.
	Well, population density, all that, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, yeah, no, it's really bad.
	And, yeah, Russell's saying earlier, like, how did it go in Florida?
	And then, like, leaving it up as, like, a we don't know.
	Yeah, we do.
	We do when there's numbers that I know you're not going to cite, Russell.
	I know you're not going to actually deal with the reality.
	Okay, great.
	No, no.
	Well, he can't because it disproves all of the points.
	Yeah.
	Now, from here, Russell asked a, he asked a brambling question about how people from the left are now authoritarian and now the right wing are all about freedom.
	And we're going to skip to Latipo's answer on the issue.
	So not that many years ago, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago or so, you have this movement in the United States, this Occupy Wall Street movement.
	And at that time, and actually for many years before that, you had people who were more liberal, who just naturally were less trustful of government, less trustful of companies, less trustful of corporations, and with very good reason, you know?
	And over time, these same people And in that camp, they've completely flipped.
	Now they are, they, you know, listen to the authorities, listen to the health officials, you know, Facebook and these corporations are on our side and they should be having more power to restrict speech and things like that.
	There's and you know, and now we're now considered conservative.
	They're the people who are less trustful of government.
	They're the people who are less trustful of corporations, and they're the people who want more speech.
	So you're absolutely right.
	Something has happened.
	It's almost like a hypnotic effect.
	Something like like trance almost in terms of moving people to one side and then moving those same people to the other side.
	And it's it's it's it's not obviously it's not pretty to watch because it leads to very bad outcomes as we saw during the pandemic and in many other ways.
	Okay, so I wanted to deal with this because this isn't the first time I've heard this stupid argument, and actually Steve Bannon brought it up in his interview as well, and it didn't feel necessary to deal with it then, but as it's come up again, Occupy Wall Street was not that long ago, kicked off at the tail end of 2011, I remember it pretty vividly as I'm sure do you, According to Latipo here, all of those Occupy Wall Street people are now completely reversed on their position.
	They love the big corporations.
	They love the 1%.
	Except, no, of course they don't because that's fucking insane, as is the idea of an entire movement of people simultaneously shifting their entire ideology over the Spanish.
	I mean, yeah, there's a cadre of reactionary – listen, there are reactionaries on the left, definitely liberal reactionaries, so a pack of freaks on Twitter does not the left make.
	And also, he's not even really qualifying these people as Occupy Wall Street, people that are part of Occupy Wall Street.
	It's a different code, you know what I mean?
	So you don't have to just say, the left.
	He's being more specific when possible, which is an interesting trick.
	Oh boy.
	Oh boy.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so firstly, saying Wall Street is corrupt is not the same thing as saying, ah yes, you shouldn't listen to public health officials.
	If that sounds obvious, it's because it is.
	Those are two profoundly different things.
	[Laughter]
	No shit. Oh Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I can all but guarantee you that the left-wing Occupy Wall Street types are almost all still very much against
	the big corporations, corporate greed, and the ever-widening wealth gap between you and me, Lauren, and these two
	incredibly wealthy men on screen.
	[Sigh]
	Oh right, all the money!
	Oh yeah!
	All the money!
	Yeah, all that.
	I can't forget to be mad about the money.
	About all the money you took from people that actually need it.
	So much money.
	Nobody is saying that Facebook and social media sites are on our side, but people like me are saying that yes, Ladipo and Russell, you are both full of shit and should not be allowed a platform in these places if you're going to actively knowingly lie for profit.
	So to that specific end, I personally support the social media companies.
	In every single other possible way, I loathe them entirely and the product and world they've created.
	Yeah, that was just made up.
	That was just completely fake.
	The thing is, I was like completely... I mean, they were all kind of... I don't know, maybe that's not a good analysis because a lot of it was spurious, but...
	Yeah, yeah.
	And as for the concept of conservatives nowadays being against the big corporations, OK, sure thing, buddy.
	The calls don't come inside the house.
	No, no, no.
	Lying liar who lies.
	OK, this is fine.
	So we're going to skip ahead a minute to a question from the locals chat, coupled with Russell asking whether the COVID-19 vaccines alter your DNA.
	So the two questions were, Doc, is there any hope?
	N.J.
	Britt from our community asked for reversing the effects of the mRNA vaccine.
	And do they really change your DNA or is it just a conspiracy theory?
	Those are the two questions.
	Yeah.
	So, so for the first question, I think, you know, I, it's so, you know, can you think of a time in history where so many people have been regretful of putting something in their body?
	I mean, it's, it's, it's really profound.
	And, you know, and, and I, I honestly, I feel terrible for, for folks who have, Have put this in their, in their bodies.
	The short answer is, I don't know.
	You hear there's a doctor here, for example, Dr. Peter McCullough, and he has some ideas about what people can do to counter some of the effects of the, of the vaccine.
	It's a, it's a, it, I think it's a, it's a difficult thing.
	I mean, it's a, there are other conversations that I've had with people or about spiritual approaches to undo some of the energetic effects of the vaccine, since it was conceived in a, just in a, in a, in a, it was conceived in a, in a frequency that you would not want to put in your body.
	So that's what I would say about that.
	And then in terms of this DNA issue, So, you know, we've raised this concern that there is contaminating DNA, which normally is not a big deal necessarily.
	But the problem is that with the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, they have this thing called lipid nanoparticles that transport MRNA and almost certainly DNA into people's cells, which is a that's just a completely new risk that has not been accounted for with these vaccines, but it's something that the FDA specifically has discussed in terms of the risk that DNA can pose to human DNA, like in our cells.
	So, it hasn't been proven yet.
	I've seen some work that suggests that it is happening.
	It hasn't been proven yet.
	I'll tell you that intuitively, I actually do think that it happens to some degree.
	I think that ultimately, that's what we're going to find.
	Just because, honestly, these vaccines are just products from hell.
	So, I actually do suspect that that's what we're going to probably find.
	And it's just unfortunate, in my opinion, that, you know, so many people who were trying to do the right thing or trying to help their neighbor have had their good intentions completely taken advantage of.
	That's just another horrific product of the last few years.
	Oh, my God.
	Wow.
	We started on vibes.
	Let's party.
	Okay.
	So that all sounds very scary.
	Lipid nanoparticles in the vaccine from hell transporting foreign DNA all around our bodies.
	So I'm going to quote Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, who serves on an FDA advisory committee for the COVID vaccines on this issue.
	Quote, you have a better chance of becoming Spider-Man than being harmed by DNA from COVID vaccines.
	Unquote.
	Okay, we're off to a good start.
	And I'm going to read from a Scientific American article featuring an interview with Dr. Offit on this issue.
	So, the way mRNA vaccines are made does result in small amounts of DNA in the final product, Offit says.
	But that's true of any vaccine grown in cells, including the measles and chickenpox vaccines.
	There are trace quantities of DNA, so billionths to trillionths of a gram, per vaccine dose, which is utterly and completely harmless for several reasons, he says.
	To make an mRNA vaccine against COVID, scientists start with circular pieces of DNA called plasmids that contain a gene for the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease.
	The plasmids are amplified into billions of copies inside of bacteria and chemicals are then added to release them from the bacteria.
	Enzymes are used to cut the plasmids into linear pieces of DNA that encode the spike protein and a different enzyme converts that DNA into mRNA.
	Another enzyme is then added to chop any remaining DNA into tiny harmless fragments.
	In order to enter human cell nuclei, any such residual viral DNA would first have to enter the cell's main compartment, or cytoplasm, which normally keeps foreign DNA out.
	Next, it would have to cross the nuclear membrane.
	This would be impossible without an access signal, which these fragments don't have, off it notes.
	The residual DNA would also have to integrate into the nuclear DNA, which would require DNA-cutting enzymes that are not present in the mRNA vaccine.
	The chances that the mRNA vaccination would in any way affect your DNA are zero, off it says.
	Alrighty, now that the science is out the way, I want to get back to Ladipo saying that the COVID-19 vaccines were conceived at an energy frequency you wouldn't want to put in your body, and suggesting there are spiritual remedies to counteract the issue.
	I mean, when I say this guy's a quack, I really do mean it.
	Oh, I got it!
	Message received.
	Loud and clear on that one.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	All right.
	Okay.
	If anything, I want to know more.
	I want to know much, much more about this energy frequency issue he's describing.
	And thankfully, Russell shares my curiosity on the issue.
	I also want to ask you, Doctor, about at the beginning there you said that there are potentially spiritual and energetic types of healing that you might endorse or consider when it comes to people that have concerns about vaccine injury Or even perhaps subtler effects.
	And I mean, difficult to diagnose and corroborate effects of having been vaccinated.
	I have a friend that I work with, Dr. Jerome Poubelle, who is a very brilliant chiropractor and healer.
	And he spoke for a long time at the very early phases of the pandemic of potential threats and risks of the therapies that we're currently discussing or the injections.
	I don't know what to call them anymore.
	And like I feel that I don't hear many medical professionals talk in terms of energetic healing or frequencies.
	That's true.
	But many of us know that there's more to healing than that which can be directly physically observed.
	We are after all in the human body dealing with an entity that has an inbuilt tendency, inclination and program To heal itself under many conditions, sometimes spontaneously and surprisingly, in spite of your position as a sanctioned political physician, you still remain open to the idea that there is much about healing that we don't understand.
	Can you help me to understand what you mean by that a little more, please?
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, I mean, that's absolutely the case that there's so much more Oh, um, so I've got to say- We don't understand it, but apparently you do.
	You're a magic boy.
	Tell me you're magic, magic, magic person.
	Great, great, great, great, great.
	Yeah, you're special.
	You're special and different.
	Clearly, you know what no one else does.
	Let's make the best of these gaps in information.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Russell is right, you don't hear many medical professionals talk in terms of energetic healing or frequencies.
	I wonder why that is.
	Also, side note, Russell named his chiropractor in Oxfordshire just then, and I couldn't help myself but take a look at the website of Dr. Jerome Poupel, in which he describes a few things that took my eye, but one of them is called biophoton physics.
	Here's what I learned, right?
	So, biophotons are no ordinary light.
	Each cell in our body emits light.
	This light is highly structured, coherent, and communicates with the neighboring cells inside the body and organisms outside the body.
	It carries unlimited amounts of information bi-directionally.
	Informing other cells and organisms and carrying their information back to its own origin in the DNA.
	Every cell in our body is at any time informed about the state of every other cell.
	Healthy cells emit coherent light.
	Unhealthy cells and tissues emit non-coherent light, or none at all.
	Coherent light is polarized.
	The plane of polarization is the sagittal plane.
	Imagine billions of parallel planes of glass emanating from the frontal plane of the body in an upright fashion.
	The biophoton waves would run along each plane.
	When a cell loses its coherence, so the ability to create, send, or receive coherent light, the physical tissue involved becomes dysfunctional or ill.
	Thankfully, this chiropractor has a solution, and what it is, is putting stuff near your body to find the incoherent cells, as he says, and then fixing it by chiropracting it or pointing some light at it.
	Good stuff!
	And this man charges £280 per hour.
	charges 280 pounds per hour.
	Speaking of that, I was a sick kid in 1997.
	So, and not getting a lot of help.
	And it hasn't really changed, unfortunately.
	But yeah, I was a sick kid in 1997.
	So a lot of money that probably could have paid for my college went to one specific huckster-ass chiropractor.
	That's what's crazy.
	Well, there's a few chiropractors in the mix.
	To my mom's defense, we didn't really have internet.
	And she's still kind of not... I tried to get her one of those photo frames for Christmas.
	She's like, we don't have Wi-Fi at the house.
	I was like, oh, right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Give you a perspective.
	That was just past Christmas.
	Not a lot of interneting being done.
	In 1997, I think it was... I don't even know if we had it yet.
	In her defense.
	And that's where it stops, because this is bad shit.
	And I've heard all of this guano so many times.
	It's fucking shocking it's still happening.
	I've talked about didn't get to finish college.
	I couldn't afford it, couldn't do it.
	And this is a big reason why, is this shit right here.
	Chiropractors thinking that they know stuff.
	And just really, just winging it.
	Because that was winging it.
	That was a winging it story about light.
	That was a fantasy.
	Yeah, it's a fun story for what must be, what, $350 an hour in America, something like that?
	It's insane amounts of money.
	The supplements are the crazy part.
	That shit's fucking, that's, that's, that's, that's.
	At least, especially at the time.
	At least they also tasted horrible.
	They didn't do anything and they were gross, so that was cool.
	I couldn't find anything on Pupel's website about that, but then again, they are treated differently here.
	We do have more regulations, etc.
	So there is that.
	Anyway, we're going to hear the rest of what Ladipo has to say about energy healing, and it goes to a dark spot from Ladipo's past.
	So, content warning here for sexual assault on a minor.
	Skip ahead a couple of minutes if that's an issue you're particularly sensitive to.
	So here we go.
	And, you know, and when I'm talking about it, certainly, you know, I went to medical school in this country, I went to Harvard, I did a residency training in this country, and I've been a practicing physician for many years.
	And I love science.
	I spent extra years in school because I love science.
	But I talk about it in the book more.
	And I personally have had a, my own journey that relates to a lot of trauma that I had as a, as a child.
	I actually had, was sexually molested by a babysitter and it, I thought it didn't affect me, but in fact it profoundly affected me.
	And I didn't find out how much it affected me, didn't really become conscious to it until I fell in love with my wife, you know, I don't know, 18 years ago or so.
	And that process of falling in love with her really brought my problems, my problems in terms of the effects that that trauma and other stressors it had on my soul and my being, you know, that soul that lives in all of us and is the thing that connects us to God and makes each and every one of us special in our own special way.
	You know, I had a lot, you know, really profound problems.
	So, firstly, I think it's important to acknowledge and applaud Latipo's bravery in talking about this.
	It's difficult for men and AMAB people to discuss being the victims of sexual assault, including from when they were children, and it's especially uncommon to see it in the machismo right-wing circles because some of the shitheads in that direction would see it as an admission of weakness rather than accepting and openly discussing things that happened to a person that they had no control over.
	In Latipo's specific case he discusses in the book being four years old and in Nigeria when this occurred, which is where he's from.
	However, where I do take issue with this is where the energy healing side comes in.
	It's not coincidental that he's mentioning this right after discussing the merits of energy healing and it's because Latipo claims to have been healed of his trauma by energy healing.
	To quote from his book, we continued with a combination of Mao Jing bodywork that involved isometric concentric and eccentric contractions and body of light exercises to strip away layers of stress and tension.
	Later citing how miraculous it was.
	So, this ties in with Brussels Chiropractor Jerome Poupon, who on his website also lists the five healing levels.
	There's a bunch of stuff there about biophysical stress, energetic perturbances, radionics imbalances, and disturbed microbiomes.
	But beyond that are levels three to five.
	So, level three is unresolved emotional and mental trauma and conflicts from the personal biography.
	Level four is unresolved ancestral trauma and conflicts.
	Curses and thought-filled influences carry over of trauma and conflicts from ancestral issues non-resolved.
	Curses, cool.
	Level five is guiding and correcting influences from the source that may be perceived as illness or accident.
	Okay.
	Perceived as illness, okay.
	Yeah.
	Now, I'm going to get into the claims made by Latipo in the book in just a second, because he delves into some more specifics.
	But in terms of Poupel, I may be a cynic here, but what that sounds like to me is a charlatan with no basis of evidence to support his work, preying on those who are struggling emotionally and mentally and claiming to be able to cure them, when what they actually need to be doing is going to therapy.
	Holy shit, the lengths these men will go to to avoid going to therapy.
	They would rather pay £280 per hour for someone to wave lights at them than go to therapy.
	Okay, now here's the thing.
	I don't disagree that a spa day to manage the stress that you're under or the anxiety that you feel, especially like Therapy, you know, like re-traumatizing, it can be re-traumatizing to relive these experiences.
	Taking a spa day to help out your feelings and do some self-care, completely valid.
	Now, let's call it a spa day and not medicine, because those are two very different things.
	Yes.
	Yes, they are.
	Yes, they are.
	Wow, that's dangerous.
	Also, your wife isn't a free therapist, just so you know.
	Listen, I've been in relationships before, and I'm definitely in one now, where there's a lot of healing that happens because you feel validated and you have someone to talk to.
	Absolutely, yes.
	That is entirely possible.
	That's not the whole pie.
	Just spa days and expecting serious, free, emotional labor out of your wife are not the solutions.
	Yeah, the expectation on women to fix the men they're with is pretty incredible.
	From both sides.
	From everyone.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That has not changed.
	A lick.
	It's remarkable.
	So, and I will say, yeah, Latipo talks a lot about his wife in the book.
	I bet he does.
	She's also his therapist.
	I can't imagine what other roles she's filling for free.
	Yeah.
	Religious and medical, it would seem, from the book.
	Anyway, next up, Latipo speaks of his own actual experiences with the energy healing.
	And the journey that my wife and I took, and my wife fortunately is gifted with just natural healing talent and gifts from God, directed me eventually To work with a guy named Christopher Mayher.
	He's a former Navy SEAL.
	He lives out in Southern California and he's had his own journey and I worked with him and he has a lot of training and insights and things like Chinese meridian Chinese medicine theory and meridians and other healing modalities, and I worked with him for five days, and I'll tell you that I would have at the end of the five days I came in very skeptical, I came in because my wife told me that I had to see him.
	And so I went to see him.
	And I'll tell you that at the end of our five days working together, I would, without a drop of hesitation, have traded every money, every dollar I had, everything I owned.
	I would have traded the clothes on my back, everything, to have the experience that I ended up having with him.
	That's how valuable it was.
	It was a completely new lease on life or experience of life.
	And we did things during that week that I did not believe were even a thing or possible, but absolutely.
	And it relates to frequencies.
	It relates to meridians.
	It relates to energy.
	It relates to ancestral.
	So quickly tell me what it is.
	It affects this ancestral trauma and it relates to our DNA and how our DNA stores
	and our tissues store this information, the information of stress,
	the information of ancestral trauma, the information of our own trauma
	and how that affects absolutely how we show up in the world.
	So yes, there's way more to healing than the wonderful things that we've learned in Western medicine.
	Thank goodness for what we can do for people, but there's so much more to healing.
	A lot of that I agree with, right?
	Again, this is like, there's a lot of that I agree with, and then the things that I disagree with, I disagree so vociferously that I can barely contain it.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, he named the practitioner, and once again, that means I can look him up.
	Spa.
	So, do we have another Jerome Poupal?
	So, well, when I look at the systems part of this guy's website, this Christopher Maher, Um, at TrueBodyIntelligence.com.
	Uh, the first thing that comes up is Bioenergetic Self-Transformational Sequences, or BESTS.
	Um, it didn't really further explain on the website, so I had to watch a video of the guy explaining it in a podcast interview.
	And he describes it as isometric, eccentric, and concentric contractions with one for every organ and every muscle, and that's supposed to relieve stress.
	So basically, it's micro-exercises in different positions and I would assume stretches.
	That seems to be that segment of it.
	Perfectly fine and good for you, but I wouldn't say it's an alternative to going to therapy.
	Incidentally, as an aside, the next 10 suggested videos were from Andrew Huberman, if that's any indication of what we're looking at.
	Oh, Andrew Huberman, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, great.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	Good, cool.
	That guy.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Next on the page was Body of Light work, which Latipo said he engaged in.
	Um, quote, "a verbal energetic transmutation process that allows the body, brain, and nervous system to locate,
	transmute, and discharge negative generational stress, tension, and distortion-inducing patterns that are held
	within the conscious mind, unconscious breath, and subconscious body.
	This process allows the brain and nervous system to recognize and establish new positive patterns of feeling,
	sensing, emoting, breathing, and perceiving."
	Sounds, sounds pretty, pretty drastic.
	I couldn't find him describing the actual process of it anywhere, unfortunately.
	I'm curious about him saying that it's a verbal thing, however.
	I'm wondering if that's a clue.
	Well, it's how you practice therapy without any training.
	And then usually just cause more problems.
	Also, oh yeah, no, man.
	Well, see, here's the thing.
	He was a Navy SEAL, so he wasn't gay.
	It's not gay therapy from a Navy SEAL.
	Boy, oh boy.
	You know, I'm also, I can't speak to, I mean, I can speak to adjacent kind of like generational trauma as we understand it.
	And yeah, that's a real thing, like genetically kind of like genetic predisposition to like generational trauma.
	That's real.
	The thing is, is like the way that Every wellness douche has just descended on that understanding and that kind of research.
	Like, just a pack of dogs is incredible.
	And just so cavalier in taking this person's real pain and making it into something like just kicking the can down the road.
	Also, he said that his wife was like, you have to do this.
	Did she ask for therapy first, and then she finally found something that you would go to?
	Because it's like, no homo, he's a Navy SEAL?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, maybe.
	No homo spawn, Navy SEAL?
	Tight.
	Yeah, and with the generational trauma thing, there's also the question, like, yes, it exists, but does it exist in the way they say it exists, you know?
	Is their description of it accurate?
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	Is energy healing the prescription for, like, that Was conceived of?
	No.
	It's systemic change and reparations.
	That's the thing that we should be doing to fix it.
	Justice is what we should be doing to fix it.
	Absolutely.
	The last thing I want to touch on is Ma Xing, the thing that Ladipo erroneously called Mao Xing in his book, which is, quote, a touch-based system akin to barefoot shiatsu massage and uses Chinese meridian theory to identify patterns of weakness, stress, tension, and distortion.
	Marshing disperses stress from the nervous system, tension from the structural tissues, blockages from the meridians, and toxicity from the cells.
	This system increases tissue health and structural health while leaving you with an over sense of lightness, serenity, interconnectedness, and increased well-being."
	Unquote.
	So it's massage with energy bells on.
	All well and good.
	Yeah, perfectly fine.
	But not medicine and not a replacement for going to therapy.
	Definitely not.
	No.
	Can work in tandem very well.
	Sure, absolutely.
	In tandem.
	Very well.
	Massages are great.
	Always recommend.
	Honestly, when I started this interview, I did not think this is where we would be going with the Surgeon General of Florida.
	Like, anti-vaccine COVID stuff I expected, but this stuff kind of took me by surprise a little bit.
	Oh, dear.
	You're right.
	Oh, God.
	Thank you for bringing it back there.
	I totally forgot already.
	I was just like, "Oh, this is just some guy that has spa day."
	Oh, no.
	-It's only-- -Right.
	Like, is taking--
	Is Florida's Surgeon General who is taking some institution for a fucking ride?
	With a lot of money in his pocket!
	Oh man, alright.
	So we're going to move on for a moment to Russell discussing the topic of excess deaths.
	Doctor, one of the areas that's been subject to a good deal of scrutiny, debate, and it seems censure, is the topic of excess deaths.
	Here in our country, in the UK, the Office for Statistics, as recently as six months ago, ...changed the way that they calculate excess deaths and the result of the change in this calculation was to bring excess deaths in the UK during the pandemic period or at least I think late in 2022 down from an excess number of 30,000 down to 10,000.
	So whatever it is they did to the way they calculate, they said that, you know, it needed updating.
	The result was it appeared like there were less excess deaths.
	That's not the first time I've heard that the subject of excess deaths is being controlled, censored, that people are trying to mitigate what we understand and know about this topic.
	And one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that I heard came to me via Dr. Pierre Corry, with whom I'm sure you're familiar, who pointed out that It was insurance companies re-evaluating the way they established their premiums that revealed people were dying younger than would be anticipated and they just had to charge more for life insurance.
	That's an undeniable metric.
	Okay, so he is correct, right, that the method of calculating excess deaths in the UK has changed, and it has gone from 30,000 to about 10,000, but he doesn't specify why that's occurred, and also that was 10,000 excess deaths for last year specifically, not an average kind of thing.
	Not cumulative.
	No, no, no, no.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Nothing to do with the pandemic times.
	Now, statistics are a tricky business, but one of the key factors here is we're dealing with excess deaths, which means, you know, unexpected deaths that are outside the frame of standard mortality and aging.
	And so the kind of system you use to calculate that is really important, what the expected amount should be.
	And there's been an ongoing discussion around the old formula that was used, specifically because it wasn't taking into account the ageing and growing population of the UK.
	All else being equal, more people means more deaths, particularly if a greater share of the population are elderly.
	Nor did it reflect recent trends in population mortality rates, which were generally falling until 2011 before levelling off until the onset of the pandemic.
	In comes the new system.
	According to the ONS website, quote, the chosen methodology uses statistical models to obtain the expected number of deaths in each period.
	Importantly, this approach moves away from averages drawn from raw numbers over a set period of time and instead uses age-specific mortality rates.
	This means when we ask that first question, how many deaths would we expect there to be, we take into account how the population has grown and aged over time.
	The models also account for trends and seasonality in population mortality rates and allow for estimates of excess deaths to be broken down by age group, sex and constituent countries of the UK and English region.
	This approach provides a method for routine monitoring of excess deaths on an ongoing basis.
	So it's something that they don't have to revise every couple of years like they were the last time, because what they would do was kind of take a data set over say five years and use that and try and kind of average it out, whereas now they can be much more consistent.
	In case you're curious how this changes the picture of the pandemic period, estimates on an annual basis indicate 76,412 excess deaths in the UK in 2020, Compared with on the old metric it would have been 84,064.
	Well that's not that different.
	It's not is it?
	But you know the the number of excess deaths last year was shaved down by two-thirds.
	So it does seem we were using a very faulty system that has now been seemingly corrected for the most part.
	Of course what Russell is claiming is that it's in fact a cover-up to hide the number of people getting killed by the vaccine.
	Which is completely unfounded, and he provides zero evidence to back up those claims, and it's all stemming out of profit for the insurance companies.
	Which, again, not as much of a thing over here.
	We are talking about UK statistics here that are an issue.
	Yeah, that always gives me pause.
	But the thing is, I have to give myself pause.
	Like, oh, right.
	Like, what does it even mean?
	Like, what do we... Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Private health insurance over here is very rare.
	It does exist, but it's very rare.
	Right.
	Ah, dear.
	So, from here, Russell asks the question to Latipo, who then goes on a little bit of an anti-vax jag.
	I wonder what you feel in particular about excess deaths, both in your country and across the world, and whether or not we will ever have a concrete indicator or evidence, I suppose, that there's a connection between the medications of the last few years and this strange new data.
	Yeah, that's a great point, Russell.
	It is very hard to prove with the scientific methods, the statistical methods that we have currently, that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have contributed or to quantify that.
	It is very hard to prove.
	And part of the reason it's hard to prove is also reflects the tragedy
	of how the vaccines were tested.
	With a randomized clinical trial, which we had early on in the pandemic,
	and they were reasonably well designed, at least for COVID,
	not so much for what they were ultimately marketed for, which is hospitalization and death from COVID.
	They were not designed to evaluate that.
	They were really just designed to evaluate symptomatic COVID.
	We had an opportunity to really compare the groups, and people should be very clear
	that during the randomized part of the trial, where you can look at these things without bias
	and compare things like overall survival between people who received the placebo
	and people who received the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, there was no overall benefit in terms of overall life.
	And in fact, in the vaccine group in the Pfizer trial, believe it or not, more people died.
	More people died in the vaccine arm overall than in the placebo arm.
	The difference wasn't statistically significant.
	And, you know, it's just a shame that the trials were so short and that they weren't even larger in terms of the number of people that were enrolled.
	And that would have given us a sense.
	Hmm okay so so for a start his premise is okay this this initial study was fine all the other ones are bad but this one is okay because I want to use this one okay fine um essentially what we have here is some reheated bullshit from 2021.
	The claim is that because 14 people in Pfizer's placebo group died and 15 people in the vaccinated group also died, Pfizer's data shows its COVID-19 vaccine does not reduce the risk of dying from the disease, which is nonsense.
	And in Latipo's estimation, the vaccine could even be more harmful because an extra person died in that group.
	The reality is, of course, that this is bullshit.
	Those figures reflect deaths from all causes during Pfizer's ongoing study of its vaccine.
	The vast majority of the deaths were unrelated to COVID-19.
	Only two people in the placebo group died of COVID-19, and one person in the vaccinated group died of COVID-19 pneumonia, according to additional Pfizer data obtained by the Associated Press.
	The rest of the deaths were due to other factors, including heart disease and heart attacks.
	It would be concerning if the study showed a significant increase in deaths from a specific cause in the vaccinated group, as that would signal a possible adverse vaccine effect.
	Instead, the data showed the vaccinated deaths were distributed among a number of causes between both groups.
	No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or the placebo.
	Pfizer's data shows that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious illness from COVID-19 and data from countries that have used the vaccine widely shows it is also effective at preventing death from COVID-19.
	Because of course it is.
	Oh boy, of course none of that is going to stop chuckleheads like Russell asserting it's the vaccine causing heart attacks and blah blah blah despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, but what can we do?
	This is so fucking frustrating.
	Just the fact that this song and dance is still happening and they're capitalizing on it.
	It's just outrageous.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, I mean this is information from three years ago at this point.
	Good God, get some new talking points, you know?
	Yeah, are listeners bored?
	I mean, I guess not, because it's still hitting their, haha, I was right all along button in their brain.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's definitely a degree of that confirmation bias situation, isn't there?
	Anyway, Ladipo has more to say on this issue, and he takes it in what could be described as a fun direction.
	My sense from evaluating everything that we've seen, all the evidence during the trial, I mean, the fact that these things very clearly eventually cause you these mRNA boosters, eventually cause you to have an increased risk of contracting COVID.
	I mean, it's so obvious and CDC and FDA pretend like these data aren't out there, but it's very clearly the case.
	It's multiple studies from multiple countries find the same thing with the boosters.
	My sense is that, in fact, I would make a very confident bet that they have totally contributed to what is factual, as you said, from health insurance actuarial reports with life insurance, that they've contributed to To excess deaths.
	Certainly the lockdowns also contributed.
	There's just no doubt that it's just a terribly inhumane policy and many people have died as a result.
	But my sense is that these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have also contributed to the excess deaths.
	Um so what he just said was my sense is that the vaccines have contributed to the excess deaths.
	Great.
	Um yeah real quick on the on the lockdowns point like the reason Florida's COVID death death rate is so high is because he lifted the lockdown.
	The lockdown would have saved lives and instead he just let everyone wander around doing whatever the fuck they wanted in the summer of 2020.
	Accordingly, the months of June, July and August 2020, the number of COVID-19 cases in Florida
	increased over 11-fold from 56,830 on June 1st to 631,040 on September 1st. And the seven-day
	rolling average of COVID-19 deaths increased nearly four-fold from an average of 29.7
	on June 1st to 113 deaths per day on September 1st.
	Just.
	just that few month period took Florida COVID deaths from two and a half thousand to fifteen
	thousand and hundreds of thousands of people infected who for all I know do now have lasting
	effects from that.
	And this man has the stones.
	Now we don't know.
	Because folks be out here getting COVID five to seven, like three to five times.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That is true.
	If it's individuals or cases, that's even its own statistical anomaly.
	Yeah, that would be its own fun little thing, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, and not just in my experience, but that's something that, like, our listeners have responded to whenever I, you know, especially tell the story about these, like, lovely people in Roswell that are like, yeah, I've had it like three times now, four, I don't know, like, whoa, okay.
	Yeah, what a complicated, what a complicated problem, and they're only making it worse.
	Yeah, and this guy has the stones to call himself a doctor.
	As for the COVID vaccines making it more likely for you to catch COVID, it was found by the British Medical Journal that after the second Pfizer vaccine, likelihood of getting infected with COVID-19 was increasing over time.
	Suggesting that the vaccine was helping prevent contraction of COVID-19 to start with and then tapering off after a few months.
	It's almost like it's an impermanent solution, much like flu vaccines that we have to get every year.
	And if it's not we, at least immunocompromised and elderly people, have to get every year.
	Not every vaccine is permanent.
	Not every disease is fucking chickenpox.
	Yeah, and it's not that getting the vaccine increases your chance of getting it, it was that your chance increases over time compared to when you first get the vaccine.
	And that's, you know, for the contraction of the thing.
	And this is also from 2021, this study, by the way, and the researchers do acknowledge that the interpretation of their findings is limited by the observational design and they cannot rule out the possibility that Other unmeasured factors such as household size, population density, or virus strain may have had an effect.
	Nonetheless, the recommendation was for booster shots, which is exactly what happened.
	And even then, the vaccine was never designed to prevent contraction.
	At no point did it stop doing its job were you to actually get COVID.
	You are still protected by it, it's just odds of contraction, you know, increased compared to what they were when you first got it.
	It's very frustrating.
	Oh, and getting vaccinated could potentially make you more cavalier in disregarding, either in your disregarding of, of other health and safety measures, or honestly, and much more likely.
	Is that our governments are governing bodies fucking gave up and said vaccine job done.
	This is all we can do.
	We're not going to keep enforcing these these measures like this is a really complex issue that is fucking super obvious to me on its face.
	If you just think about how a human behaves in a day.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Maybe I'm crazy.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	But the economy, Lauren.
	What about the economy?
	Oh yeah, no.
	Great plan.
	It went awesome.
	It went great.
	Everybody's winning.
	This is killer.
	Psyched.
	Good.
	So a lot of posts started, so I'm gonna... I'mma let him finish.
	And it's so hard to prove.
	But what we should be doing, and fortunately, we have a governor and a friend, Governor Ron DeSantis, who's really, I mean, his courage meter is like off the charts.
	He's willing to do whatever it takes.
	He truly is.
	I mean, literally, it's like that's who he is.
	Here in Florida, we're working on doing some autopsy stuff.
	What you need, because you don't have the clinical trials anymore, is you need studies where just you learn more about the pathological effects of these vaccines.
	Studies that show abnormalities that are consistent with vaccine mRNA-associated death.
	And I think if you have enough of that, then it becomes harder to deny that overall, these are harmful products.
	I mean, yeah, early on, Did they protect older people, very vulnerable people from dying from COVID-19?
	Yeah, I think the evidence was pretty good for that.
	But overall, in the general population, and now on booster number 12, or whatever number we're at, are they harming people?
	Okay, drama.
	My sense is yes.
	And again, you need the autopsy studies, you need that type of pathological evidence just to show that these are very harmful products.
	Ooh, Surgeon General of Florida, everybody.
	Do we have proof or not?
	Vaccines are harmful, harmful products that are harming everyone.
	Well, his sense is that they're harmful.
	He's saying that they're harmful.
	Do we have proof or not?
	Okay.
	Do we have proof or not?
	Why do I have to keep listening to this person?
	He said it!
	Very hard to prove and very hard to even to sense and understand.
	But then is going to say that, yeah, it's true.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I will say, I do believe him that Ron DeSantis will do whatever it takes.
	Courage is a word to use.
	Not my choice.
	Wouldn't have been my choice, but it's our word.
	Oh dear.
	Thankfully, in the next clip, Latipo does actually make a more specific reference that I was able to hunt down.
	From the beginning, there was a sense that this evidence is if perhaps the word manipulated is a contentious term.
	That's true.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	There are some there are issues, right?
	There's a there's you know, you don't count the first two weeks or so after the vaccine.
	So there are definitely ways that the clinical trials are stacked.
	against against the, you know, sort of waited to make the vaccines look better.
	But I mean, I don't want to manipulate it.
	I'm doing it right now.
	I admire vaccine researcher closer to you than me.
	She's I think, in Denmark.
	And one of the things she's shown and others have shown with their research is that it is completely totally possible to have a vaccine that protects against a certain disease but still causes a higher risk of overall death because the immune system is is magnificent and unfortunately it's almost impossible to tinker with one thing so in this case protection against COVID-19 and not affect
	Myriad other parts of the system that affect our whole bodies.
	So just even if they, you know, they help with severe illness from COVID-19, just like having prior infection does, you know, that's fine.
	That's no big deal.
	But what's the overall effect of the vaccine?
	And the whole overall effect of these ones is horrific.
	And like the news is not getting better.
	It's going to keep getting worse.
	But you said you don't know!
	You just said you don't know and can't prove it!
	Okay.
	He did say that.
	And that's why he referenced someone called Christine Stabel-Bell.
	Stabel-Bell?
	That's the name he mentioned there to back up his claims.
	She's a physician in Denmark.
	It's a name I wouldn't expect anyone to be particularly familiar with, though she did in 2019 do a TEDx talk espousing the virtues of the polio vaccine and how data indicates that vaccines do much more than protect against the target disease, they also have so-called non-specific effects and in most cases they come with an added bonus of increased resistance against other infections than the target disease, suggesting that if we If we take that into account we can save hundreds of thousands of lives every year just by making the existing vaccines smarter.
	Okay, great.
	And then she argues that we should properly examine the effects of vaccines on overall health.
	Now, That argument can go in a bunch of different directions, but since the pandemic, she has been an ardent COVID-19 vaccine sceptic, claiming to be... I know!
	Claiming to be vaccine curious, as she puts it, and all the while listing off all the reasons she thinks the COVID-19 vaccine is bad and harming people.
	Her work makes a lot of unfounded claims, particularly that the COVID-19 vaccine is killing people and killing children.
	She also promotes the idea of natural immunity.
	Lovely stuff.
	But she makes it sound fancy using scientific words, so that makes it true.
	Uh, Latipo is of course wrong here, um, in case that wasn't obvious, but he's doing a very good job of using his position in the most irresponsible way possible to make money, so that's good.
	Does she reconcile her kind of position with the polio vaccine versus this one?
	Like this...
	Is there any kind of – she just is done?
	I mean, I love – I can't wait for the day when I stop seeing the Ted Talks that grifters do.
	I love that day.
	Ted!
	Sir!
	Do the work.
	A really successful blog does not a correct person make.
	That's really, it's something.
	No, it does not.
	It does not.
	And I think, you know, were you to watch that TED Talk, you'd You'd maybe kind of like it.
	You'd be like, oh yeah, these are reasonable points this person is making.
	Let me follow her on Twitter.
	And then you start to get fed all this other stuff.
	And if you don't approach it with a skeptical eye, then maybe you'll start to fall down that rabbit hole, right?
	Now, Russell has a question about personal media attacks.
	You were a subject, I think, to some pretty personal media attacks, vilified and ridiculed.
	Were you surprised by the level of coordination and ability and appetite to dismiss your free speech as well as your professional expertise when it came to this subject, Doctor?
	It's unbelievable, right?
	I was totally surprised.
	I mean, just most recently, we had some measles cases in South Florida.
	And, you know, the lockdowners were hungry for us to lock the kids out of school who didn't have a history of prior measles or a vaccine.
	And I said, no.
	No, let the parents decide.
	I mean, first of all, they're treating measles like it's the plague.
	It's a serious illness, but it also used to be a pretty routine illness that healthy people had no problems with.
	And parents get to make those decisions about the type of risks that they take on with their families.
	And the media just, I mean, it was unbelievable.
	I honest to gosh.
	And then, of course, they were completely wrong.
	Everything was fine.
	And they don't write corrections.
	They don't update the readers about how their predictions that the sky was going to fall and the state was going to descend into some hellish pit didn't come to fruition.
	They're done, right?
	They do their damage.
	They dust off their hands and they're on to the next Next little area where they're going to do some more damage.
	So it's been a surprise to me, even sometimes, even this late in the game, how both vicious and irresponsible and manipulative they can be.
	But, you know, thanks to guys like you, I think more and more people are, I know more and more people are becoming aware of how it's not there.
	Increasingly, they're not a tool for information.
	They're a tool for manipulation.
	And it's like, that's gross.
	You know, most people don't want to participate in that.
	Yeah, Russell certainly may be more aware of the manipulation of this information.
	Yeah, yeah, you know what?
	That is true.
	That's wild.
	Wild!
	I'm gonna read from a Washington Post article on this point.
	So in Broward County, Florida, six students at a single elementary school recently became infected with measles.
	Two more cases of the highly infectious virus have been reported in the county.
	Yet, instead of following the well-established public health playbook to curb the outbreak, Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Latipo has done the unthinkable, telling parents they could defy health guidance and continue sending unvaccinated kids exposed to measles to school.
	To understand just how outrageous this is, consider some facts.
	First, measles is a terrible disease.
	This is universally understood in the medical community.
	The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that as many as 1 in 20 children with measles progress to pneumonia.
	1 in 10 children develop ear infections, which can result in permanent hearing loss.
	About 1 in 1,000 will have the infection spread to their brain, which can lead to swelling, seizures, and irreversible neurological damage.
	And for every 1,000 kids who contract measles, up to 3 will die from it.
	There is also a rare but terrifying neurological disease that could occur years after someone recovers from measles, in which individuals go through months of personality changes and depression, followed by blindness, dementia, and uncontrollable jerking and writhing.
	This condition progressively damages the brain, eventually affecting the parts that control breathing and blood pressure, and causing coma and death.
	Second, measles is one of the most contagious diseases in the world.
	Much more transmissible than COVID-19, for instance.
	The measles virus is airborne and can live for up to two hours after an infected person leaves the area.
	If exposed, an unvaccinated person has a nearly 90% chance of contracting it.
	The reason Americans have not feared this virus for decades is, of course, vaccination.
	Two doses of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, the MMR vaccine, are 97% effective at presenting measles.
	One dose is about 93% effective, and if given during an outbreak to an exposed person who is not yet vaccinated, it can substantially reduce the chance of that individual contracting the virus and then passing it on to others.
	Ladipo and DeSantis are playing with children's lives, particularly in a state with so many irresponsible parents unwilling to vaccinate their children.
	It's insane.
	Here's my Wuhan lab wet market theory, okay?
	Are they trying to make a COVID measles?
	Are they trying to make a measle COVID?
	Because that's the only thing that I could glean from the information that's been presented thus far.
	They're trying to merge them, right?
	Yeah.
	I'm not coming from science.
	I'm coming from, again, vibes and maybe vibrationally that we could make like a And even more, like, incredibly contagious COVID, because that's the other thing that people fucking don't take into account with the Swiss cheese method of preventing disease, is you're stopping the disease from mutating.
	So every single time that person that you had to work with or you know, listener, that's like, well, I've gotten COVID three or four times now, they've aided and abetted the cooking up of a new and more sophisticated COVID in that process.
	So the cavalier nature of like, I mean, are you, yeah, trying to make super measles?
	Trying to make super COVID?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What other intention could there be?
	I mean, it really, like, genuinely too, like, these kids are having a hard time because of the lockdown, not going to school.
	Sure, you're not dealing with that either.
	This isn't fixing anything.
	No, I mean, and as it is, you know, it's for 21 days.
	Like, okay, sure, it sucks, but suck it up, you know?
	And yeah, there's a reason that you have strains in America that don't exist in the UK, and you know, there's a reason for that!
	Yeah, it's called a Petri dish.
	It's called a fucking Petri dish.
	I would be surprised if somebody was growing horns whenever they got COVID in a year.
	I don't know.
	It's crazy to me.
	It's absolutely nuts.
	I don't understand.
	I don't understand that, like, the whole logic.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's our freedom.
	It's our rights is what it is.
	It's child abuse.
	Also that.
	Next, we have a troubling suggestion from Russell and his locals chat.
	A few more comments.
	Jim Earthsy137 said, this guy would destroy Fauci in a debate.
	Would love to see it.
	And NJBrit in our community asked, if Trump is elected, would you be interested in the Surgeon General's position if it were offered?
	And I'd like to add to that, would you, and I don't know if this is something that's encompassed within that role, but would you be advocating for a kind of money out of health position, an FDA that wasn't funded, To the tune of 70%, I think, of its revenue by the companies that it's supposed to be regulating.
	Do we need to get lobbying out of politics?
	Do we need to control the way that big pharma companies are able to fund legacy media and the obvious financial ties and leverage that that gives them?
	What are the kind of changes, given that you've just offered the diagnosis that the problem is that avarice is what motivates the medical profession, what policies could be introduced in the event that you found yourself in a vaulted position at the national and federal level?
	What kind of policies and changes would you advocate for Dr Latipo?
	Yeah, well, I think, you know, I definitely want to have as much influence as possible with these issues because, you know, because I feel obligated to.
	I mean, I feel very strongly that I'm correct in terms of the things that I say and feel.
	And so, you know, I think I'd be open to exploring anything, any way of achieving that.
	I do not love that answer.
	I want as much influence as possible, yes!
	Like, can you imagine this man as Surgeon General of the United States?
	Good lord.
	I can't imagine him as Surgeon General of Florida!
	I can't even imagine that still!
	I keep forgetting!
	And yet!
	Also, guess what?
	No vaccines for anyone and we're going to do vibrational healing, alright?
	We can kill the disease with light, everybody.
	Don't worry, that's what's going to happen.
	Yeah, okay.
	You know what?
	I could destroy anybody in a debate.
	Give me any debate and I'll destroy somebody if I can just lie.
	If I can just lie, especially... He has a very calm demeanor, which I think... I'm not gonna speculate.
	It's a calm demeanor, and especially if you can lie calmly, You can appear like, I'm not doing anything wrong.
	You're the one doing something wrong.
	Even stonewalling, all of these very calm tactics can win a debate regardless of who's right, because you're eventually going to drive somebody fucking nuts.
	That's it.
	It's the argument, oh, look at you getting all emotional and invested in the topic, while I remain serene and swan-like.
	Yeah.
	Because you are comfortable with lying.
	You are comfortable with making shit up, which is why you can be calm, cool, and collected.
	You don't want to be correct, you want to win.
	That's what the debate is about.
	That's a problem.
	It's the same as when people make like, you know, devil's advocate arguments to things that they have no stake in and they're like, well, why are you getting so upset?
	It's like, well, because this actually affects me, you fuck!
	Like, that's why I'm getting upset.
	You're making a devil's advocate argument, you know, for something that actually affects me and it matters to me.
	Yeah.
	Now if someone makes the devil's advocate argument and then you're saying, no, this is how it actually affects me.
	And then they're like, oh, well, that changes my perspective because I've heard a personal anecdote that maybe rings true and I'll re-examine my position.
	That's what that's supposed to, or a devil's advocate argument, and then someone's like, what happened to me?
	And you're like, well, what do you mean?
	And you're like, okay.
	The thing is, you can compromise on information.
	You can compromise if you're like, that's what actual conflict resolution and open-mindedness looks like, is listening and understanding.
	Yeah.
	That blows my fucking gourd, dude.
	This is a lot.
	I mean, also vibrational frequency.
	That fucking noise.
	So do you eat meat?
	How are the vibes for, like, exploited workers in the fields that pick all your food?
	How are the vibes in an industrial slaughterhouse or a meat The meatpacking factories where COVID was ripping through in America, and the bosses and the managers had an actual dead pool, were betting on who was going to get sick.
	That happened.
	So, if we're worried about what is put in our bodies and regretting the things that are put in our bodies, Food?
	Your food.
	That you eat every day.
	Maybe think about it.
	Oh, in that number app?
	Oh my god, in that number app.
	How about the clothes on your back?
	And the, like, rapid exploitation.
	Oh my god.
	Yep.
	Does it not scale?
	Okay, yeah.
	What do you know?
	That's different.
	I know there's money involved in that one, but that's different.
	That's different somehow.
	Now on to the changes Ladapo's saying that he would make were he Surgeon General.
	And, you know, it's interesting, because the answer actually isn't going to come from policy.
	The answer doesn't come from policy, because it's, it's just, it's this, it's a common dynamic, as you know, Russell, that when, you know, when you change the goalposts, or you make something narrower, or you push people this way, those things will change what people do.
	But when the folks who are involved Like, when they care about something different than your objective, they're going to be, they'll constantly and forever be looking for little holes, little ways to get around those new goalposts and those new, you know, those new barriers.
	And they will do that for eternity, right?
	And eventually they'll be successful.
	I mean, that stuff doesn't, it doesn't work as well as you want.
	So where the change- Policy doesn't work!
	Is where it's happening right now.
	Loopholes exist so policy doesn't work.
	When you change the vibration of the people, like when you change our, you know, our orientation to ourselves and to the truth and to information and to our goals and what we want in our lives, These systems that are only about profit and not about health, they will not survive.
	Like one way or the other, they will fall.
	Every last one of them will fall.
	How?
	And that type of change is sustainable and can last forever and will direct itself as the circumstances of the world change to meet whatever the needs are at that time.
	So what I would do would be to focus on the people and access to the type of of programs, of interventions, of technology that can help people raise their vibration, shed stress, shed trauma, connect with God, connect with their connection with the universe, connect with themselves, right?
	Because it's all oneness.
	It's all connected.
	And that's what I would do.
	That's where I would focus.
	And it's achievable.
	I'm honestly pretty speechless.
	Like, what do you even say to that?
	If you get everyone on the correct vibrational path to oneness, all the medical systems will fall away and this is sustainable forever and it's achievable.
	And it will change to whatever challenges meet it.
	Now, we've talked about this with New Age spiritualism, thinking that we all just need to meditate and get on the same level as my guru, and it's a thought-stopping, seriously problematic way to view the world.
	And has gotten us where we are right now, because it's still happening.
	I cannot believe this person is in charge of anything.
	It's incredible.
	I mean, change doesn't come from policy, then why are you a Surgeon General?
	If it doesn't come from policy, then you should be hosting retreats with your Navy SEAL friend.
	How do we – like, okay, so if it's not policy, then how do you – tell me how, from your position of authority in the government.
	Not that vibrations need to change.
	What are your directives?
	Like seriously, write on a piece of paper, sir.
	Tell me what you are doing.
	To use your power and position, not good vibe talking, but like, okay, so policy, again, then why are you, you can just be like a popular person on the internet or TV, I guess.
	Why is a person that doesn't believe in policy in the highest authority for health policy in a state?
	That this conversation should impeach him from his position.
	That's fucking wild to me.
	Yeah, like, what do you say?
	What do you, what, what logic can be applied to this, like, to these, again, it's very, it's all vibes, and, okay.
	I would like to know what he would suggest doing to raise everyone's vibrational level.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Make a list.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	What steps?
	And would you have to lay that out in maybe a policy that people would have to follow?
	Is that what you would have to do to make that happen?
	Hmm, hmm, hmm.
	So many thoughts.
	Yeah, are we talking vibology?
	Is it vibolacy?
	You already have a theme song.
	Like, there you go.
	Like, truly.
	Paul Abdul's got you.
	Wow.
	There's a campaign right there.
	Your vibolacy.
	Tell me.
	What is it?
	And the man wants to be Surgeon General to the United States.
	Is Surgeon General to Florida?
	To Florida!
	I know!
	I know!
	How?
	That is damning enough.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That's out-fucking-rageous.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anyway, that is the last that we're going to hear from Ladipo.
	But Russell tacked an editorial onto this interview that I do want to take a little brief look at as something of a bonus, as a palate cleanser.
	So let's hear him introduce the editorial.
	Now, as you know, the legacy media will always amplify the messages of the powerful.
	They will keep you compliant.
	In a sense, we're all victims of MKUltra now.
	Which, by the way, if you're an AwakendWonder, you'll get a special video on only available to our AwakendWonder community because all of our consciousness is being managed and manipulated.
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	Now to present the news to you in a way you'll never see in the mainstream media.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the fucking news.
	White clots are mysteriously turning up in people's arteries and bodies discovered by physicians and morticians.
	With the amount of censorship that surrounds the issue of Covid, are we ever likely to get the truth about white clots?
	Alright, pause.
	Sounds fun.
	Pause with the serious stuff.
	I just looked at my, uh, I just realized I look like Janice from the Muppets making this face right now and I just needed to say it because it was, it's weird.
	With the hat combo!
	Monica, you did it!
	You've made me go full Muppet.
	Okay.
	Happy days.
	This is the one we get.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	White clots.
	Okay.
	Yeah, any awareness of white clots of what this is and where this is going?
	No.
	Blood clots?
	White cells?
	White blood cells?
	We'll get to it.
	And also, God is great.
	That's his code.
	That's his discount code for locals at the moment.
	God is great.
	Yeah, the white clots thing is actually a pretty simple matter.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to let him continue down this path a little bit before I explain what's actually going on.
	And so in the next clip we have one of my least favorite people and one of your least favorite people in conversation with each other on GB News.
	And warning to those watching for some pretty gross imagery that will be flashing up on the screen.
	Let's have a look first of all at a conversation between Dr. John Campbell and the brilliant Neil Oliver so that we can understand what these white clots are.
	I just don't like thinking about it.
	I don't like thinking about a vein being all cluttered up with that stuff.
	Have you looked at them yet?
	They're really bloody disgusting.
	Then we'll look at John Campbell talking to an expert on the subject and then we'll look at some medical data and medical analysis so we can understand whether this is something we have to continue to be concerned about and why we're not discussing it more plainly and broadly.
	It really is like something out of a low-grade novel, Neil, isn't it?
	You've got this new, or apparently completely new, pathology being found in dead bodies around the world.
	And we know that these have been found, these strange, mysterious, long...
	Rubbery white clots have been found in bodies in the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
	Delicious clots, though.
	Lovely.
	Bacon rind.
	Lovely.
	Now, I've actually heard about these some time ago, but I didn't realise how abundant they were.
	And then I was interviewing Major Tom Haviland, who's a data analyst in the States.
	And he's actually reached out to 269 embalmers with an average of 15 years experience each, embalming about 100 bodies a year on average per person.
	And in the year 2023, 73% of these embalmers have observed these strange white stringy rubbery clots.
	Really quite incredible.
	And if you take into account the embalmers that didn't see any, it was still in 20% of the dead bodies.
	And it seems to be pretty similar in the United States and in the United Kingdom.
	It sounds scary, doesn't it?
	Unprecedented new white clots.
	They look like tendons.
	Yeah, like just for those that are listening, they look like tendons.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and they're appearing in autopsies around the world.
	I wonder where John Campbell could be going with this.
	Yeah, for those listening, what's also flashing up on the screen is the headline, Are We Facing a New Disease?
	New Autopsy Findings Suggest We Might.
	Good old GB News with their responsible reporting.
	Notable that Nurse John Campbell, who I really, really dislike, is on Neil Oliver's show, who even when sat in a television studio is still wearing a scuff.
	Man is all about the aesthetic.
	I kind of respect it in a way.
	Yeah, let's have one more clip where Russell reads from a source before I explain what's actually happening.
	that can be an inch long or can be up to 30 inches long are there and have been pulled out of the
	arterial systems and the venous systems of dead bodies and there's some anecdotal reports of
	them being pulled out of living bodies by surgeons as well but we know for sure in
	about 20 percent of dead bodies and these didn't occur prior to 2020.
	Okay, so that's the introduction.
	Before we get into Dr. John's conversation with a well-informed expert on the subject, let's read you a little text.
	In a world gripped by the relentless march of a pandemic, the discovery of white clots in the deceased has ignited a firestorm of controversy, drawing attention from healthcare professionals, conspiracy theorists, and concerned public alike.
	I'm all of those, except I'm not a healthcare professional.
	At the heart of this debate lies a critical question.
	Is there a link between these unusual clots and mRNA COVID-19 vaccines?
	When Thai neurologist Dr Thiruvath, referencing the insights of English YouTuber and retired nurse educator Campbell, took to Facebook to discuss the presence of white clots in the carotid arteries of the deceased, the online community took notice.
	Particularly concerning was Thiruvath's suggestion that these clots found in individuals with a history of mRNA COVID vaccinations might be connected to sudden deaths.
	I can't see that it would be good to have a 30 inch rubbery white blood clot in your arterial system.
	I can't imagine that it would be advantageous and it does seem extraordinary that excess deaths are widely Shut up!
	underreported and mismanaged mathematically by offices of statisticians. That heart disease
	appears to have significantly risen, that certain types of cancer appear to have risen,
	that these medications were patented in an unusual way at an unusual time, that the lab
	leak itself is potentially a result of dual purpose research. There are too many intersecting
	factors for there now to be an odd HG.
	Wells arterial tryphid-like story to emerge without it being cause for concern.
	Just how?
	Even if it's a lie, tell me why you think it's happening.
	I don't care about your flowery bullshit, dog.
	Oh, jeez.
	Okay.
	He can't because the answer is question mark.
	but either way it's the COVID-19 vaccine.
	Yeah, it's the COVID-19 vaccines causing this, but of course.
	So what's actually happening, right?
	So, firstly, I'd like to address the source that Russell was using just there, which is a site called BNN Breaking, not to be confused with BNN Bloomberg.
	BNN Breaking is a news aggregator in Hong Kong owned by Indian-American entrepreneur Gurbaksh Chahal, who is also a serial domestic abuser who has attempted to murder at least one of his exes.
	Some stellar guy.
	Wow.
	He was also later honoured by Donald Trump, so that's good.
	The site itself is known for publishing fake news, spreading misinformation, and AI generating its content.
	These people are so bad, they have been de-indexed from Google, so that you can't find the site through there.
	That Thai doctor that Russell mentioned has appeared on television saying that prior to the invention of the vaccines this has never been observed before, referring to the white clots.
	This of course backs up John Campbell's hard insinuation that the COVID-19 vaccines are causing white clots in living people and killing them.
	Thailand's National Vaccine Institute issued a statement on February 21st, clarifying that the white clots seen in the images are not related to mRNA vaccines.
	Quote, The images in the claim do not show a blood disorder caused by mRNA vaccination whatsoever.
	It is only an aggregation of fibrin, key protein component of bloods, that occur after death.
	It's a post-mortem blood clot.
	It is a natural phenomenon commonly found in the bodies of the deceased.
	It has also been observed since before the COVID outbreak and the use of the COVID-19 vaccines.
	Unquote.
	Dr. Atasit Dalamnue.
	I'm gonna say Dalamnue, yeah.
	A forensic pathologist at Buhimbol Aduladej Hospital.
	Apologies.
	Everyone.
	Also concurred that the white clots are natural and are commonly found in deceased bodies.
	Quote, I always find such clots when I perform an autopsy.
	It is not related to mRNA vaccines.
	Unquote.
	Similarly, Tani Yavan, a pulmonologist and medical instructor at Brigham and Women's Hospital at Harvard Medical School, describes the clots appearance featured on the false post as similar to typical post-mortem blood clots.
	Uh, quote, its appearance is exactly like a post-mortem blood clot.
	It doesn't have a rough surface like anti-mortem blood clots, so I have doubts about the claim.
	Unquote.
	Um, yeah, Tani added that the presence of white blood clots in dead bodies could come from a number of causes, including obesity, diabetes, cigarette smoking, or even from a COVID-19 infection.
	Um, so basically, This is a thing that has always happened, um, has always been found in dead bodies, and these ding-dongs are acting like it's a new phenomenon in order to spread their anti-vax nonsense and make some cash.
	Uh, yeah.
	Russell spends a full 20 minutes on this, uh, when it could be debunked in pretty much less than a paragraph.
	Anyway, that's that.
	And that was Dr. Joseph Latipow as well.
	Oh boy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So maybe, well, the thing I'm like, what's ringing in my head is like the the alien implant phenomenon of like, But that's that's like of people thinking like oh I had this thing under my skin and now it's not and we take it out and oh it's a foreign body and it's this and it's that it's like and then no matter how many doctors say like no that's a normal thing to have just like weird lumps sometimes because human bodies are weird and like pretty gross and so
	But these are post-mortem, so there's no one getting these things extracted and then being aghast that there's a lump of adipose tissue that's a weird shape.
	Correct.
	That gets taken out.
	These are all from autopsies, which is why what John Campbell was citing was morticians who are finding these.
	It's like, well, yes, they always find these.
	They always have found these.
	You know?
	It's not uncommon.
	And yet, here's a collection of people all trying to repackage this as something brand new that is caused by COVID-19 vaccines.
	I mean, I applaud the collective effort, if nothing else.
	You know?
	You know, if autopsies were the subject, I don't think I'd go to a retired nurse and a history presenter, a subpar history presenter.
	Yeah, again, we come back to that idea of examining who you're getting the information from that Latipo said at the start.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm with you.
	I don't know about like nurses that do autopsies.
	That's not okay.
	Not a thing.
	Not a thing.
	Yeah, if you're helping with autopsies, you have a different job title.
	That's like a different job.
	I might explain why John Campbell doesn't know anything about it but then also he is a liar and knows that he's lying because he makes a lot of money out of it and good lord I hate that guy.
	What a fucking waste of our time.
	Pretty much!
	I listened to the full 20 minutes of that and then I was like oh that was easy.
	Like, oh, it's just all completely wrong.
	Okay.
	It's all just, oh, this is just a normal thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Fine.
	Fine.
	Yeah, the body does a bunch of crazy shit when it dies.
	Human bodies are weird.
	Yeah.
	Really complicated.
	You can make a lot of hay out of the weird stuff that happens.
	And we do!
	Hello, true crime!
	There's a lot of hay to be made that's entirely reasonable and interesting.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I get the feeling that's also not the last we'll be seeing of Joseph Latipo, but we shall see.
	We shall see.
	There's a little bit of preacher instinct that having a legitimately really traumatic compounding factors in your life and your personal story and what you said talking about his personal journey.
	He's not writing a medical text is what transforming fear is the word.
	Transcend fear.
	Yeah.
	Transcending, transcend fear.
	That doesn't sound super medical to me.
	Like... No, he gets into some of the medical stuff towards the end, but mostly it serves as a kind of memoir kind of type thing.
	The portion of personal, like, experience and, and this isn't just preachers, like, it's communicating in general.
	It's just that's where my mind went to.
	But like, Having that, like, it makes you kind of unassailable because you're also saying, like, oh, are you saying that my trauma isn't important or my trauma is not valid?
	Which, like, even just saying, like, bringing up, like, I'm not comfortable, sir, with how you were talking about trauma.
	Saying that and, like, the fact that he's a black person.
	It already complicates that choice, and that like, yeah, I'm gonna couch it.
	It's not my fucking place to say, necessarily.
	I can't be concrete about it, and I don't want to.
	But this is but like exposing the kind of problematic nature of his overall point like that's it's something that's going to really drive that home you know like as drive his point home because he's he has packaged it with this kind of like emotional like impervious emotional bubble that he makes it that much more complicated.
	Because again, like, both of them said, like, evil from Satan, you know, like, oh, from hell, like, right.
	Again, what we talked about last week is like, oh, well, if you say it's evil, then you, there's no argument against it.
	You don't have to explain why you don't say you're not saying it's wrong.
	You're saying it's evil.
	That's the end of that.
	That's the end of that discussion.
	He's described the COVID-19 vaccines as the Antichrist before as well.
	So that's good.
	Great.
	Well, that's, Not even what the book says, or even any make-em-ups.
	Still a person, not a vaccine, okay.
	But hey, it's effective, so you know.
	Anything is possible, I guess the sky's the limit.
	So hey, we'll see if he gets his job as the Surgeon General of the United States.
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